External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Course Professional & Clinical Skills 1-4 & GEP AHWFS 1 External Comments I have no suggestions for change except for the general evolution of the system. In future years it is hoped that an electronic method of assessment will be introduced but currently this is not feasible. I have been impressed with the perseverance of the team in implementing the portfolio system and the students are performing better due to the raised profile of the system. I would encourage the faculty to look at further metrics of professionalism in order to enhance the overall assessment of this aspect of competency. I would like to thank the team for their efforts in accommodating me over the last few years and I will miss my annual trip to Edinburgh and our discussions. Review of the written papers demonstrated a generally reasonable level of understanding by students, although there were some clear gaps in knowledge for some candidates in certain parts of the curriculum. My only suggestion for the AHWFS 1 relates to the written exam and this is that marking be indicated clearly for all questions to allow for effective auditing by external examiners. Having gained experience as an external examiner this year I feel I will be better equipped to critically assess papers before the written exam in future. Course Organiser Response Not yet received. External examiner comments were over all favourable. 1 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Animal Body 1 Nigel Goode: Sometimes the first year students came across as having trouble connecting pieces of information, and recognising the broader application of knowledge. Oral examinations. These were well organised & the format is perfect for the year 1 vivas. In response to comments by the external examiners we have changed the approach to the anatomy and histology interpretation questions. In the past they were too similar to the spot questions. We now set the scene using a clinical scenario and range across the gross and histological anatomy. This is a definite Brian Catchpole: In general, I was satisfied with improvement and will make this section of the the assessment in terms of its content, examination more challenging for the students. implementation and outcome. My suggestions are as follows: In response to comments by the external • It would be useful if results of statistical examiners I drew up a list of the Golden Rules of analysis of the MCQ paper could be provided to drawing diagrams (now high- jacked by the study the external examiners in advance (day before skills people). We will provide the students with perhaps?) of the Board of Examiners. It is more opportunity to practice their diagram important when developing a bank of questions drawing skills. that this process feeds into the system for reviewing MCQs for inclusion and that poor quality questions are either re-written or excluded. • Model answers were not always provided with questions when papers were sent to externals for evaluation prior to the written examinations. This makes it difficult to provide constructive comments on the strengths / weaknesses of the question. • The model answers provided for the Short Answer Paper were rather inconsistent in nature, with some being very detailed, whereas others were somewhat vague. It was not clear how marks were allocated in some cases. Where a diagram was required, a diagram should be provided within the model answer. 2 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 • Some of the questions on the Interpretation Paper were not particularly problem-solving and were more “identification” rather than “interpretation”. Where a SPOT exam is included in this diet of exams, this is rather repetitious. If this modality is meant to assess a student’s problem-solving ability, questions should be designed to achieve this goal. Using clinical scenarios as a means of assessing a student’s ability to demonstrate their knowledge of normal by providing them with an example of abnormal, is a format that we have used successfully at our institution. • Annotation on scripts. I would like to encourage internal examiners to write constructive comments on scripts as this helps external examiners to appreciate how that individual has arrived at their mark and also serves as formative feedback to students who choose to review their scripts / performance in the examination (particularly those failing students). • Second / sample marking. Although second marking is probably not necessary and a logistical problem with increasing student numbers and the timescale between sitting the exam and the Board, a lack of validation of marks for individual questions is a concern. It is true that the final mark is composed of a relatively large number of “individual observations” and as such variability of marking from question to question is negated (provided the same person marks all the scripts for a 3 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 specific question). However, it is worth considering “sample marking” (e.g. 10%) of scripts for the Short Answer Paper. • It was noted that all but one student in the “pass” band 50-55% had failed the examination, but their mark had increased above the threshold by virtue of their in-course assessment. While this is not a criticism, and in fact I approve wholeheartedly of summative incourse assessment, it might be worthwhile in having a constructive dialogue with those students, particularly at this stage of their studies, to highlight that they will perhaps need to work harder for future examinations. • The external examiners all agreed that the viva voce element of the examination was very useful and we encourage their continued use. In particular, this format allowed assessment of communication skills, which is very important for this particular course. The performance of some of the students was exemplary, considering the stage of the course. Kieron Salmon: On the whole I was extremely impressed by the whole AB1 experience, and in particular would like to commend the supportive nature of staff, and the excellent conduct / organisation of the oral examination. I would make the following recommendations: • All model answers are provided during initial external review of the exam scripts. • The practical reports could perhaps be better assessed by an alternative method. 4 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 • The oral examination should contribute a greater weighting to the final mark. Tim Skerry: I felt that is several cases across the exams and the grade boundaries, there was a little too much generosity in marking. It was a small concern that one student failed the oral exam badly (1.5/5) yet passed overall. I recognise that passing the oral is not a requirement for passing overall, but a mark of that level points to serious gaps in knowledge and thought could be given to reducing the ability of coursework to compensate for poor exam performance or increasing the contribution of the oral mark to the final total. I would favour a greater contribution of the marks to be taken from the oral, or perhaps that some of the current in course written assessments could be replaced by some sort of live anatomy assessment. Thought should be given to a “technique refresher” before the exams, emphasising the importance of attempting all questions, and for nearly all questions, drawing a diagram unless that is specifically not allowed. Phillip Duffus: Last year I commented on the ongoing dependence on essay-type answers, either in the short answer papers or the longer more reflective essay answers, which I thought were a problem for two reasons. Firstly, as there is almost always a single marker, it introduces a level of subjectivity; secondly, it will increasingly 5 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Animal Body 2 put a lot of time pressure on individual members of staff. I was pleased to note the introduction of double marking for this year for some of the course work, but such an assessment still puts a lot of pressure on staff. For these reasons, I would urge the various exam boards to take advantage of the new developments in computer based assessments. One final point concerns the balance between course work and the unseen exams themselves. The external examiners commented that a number of students had failed the unseen exams, often demonstrating a worrying lack of knowledge, but managed to pass due to high marks in the course work. It is important that the exam boards revisit the distribution of marks for the different assessments. As I have mentioned above, the Interpretation papers were excellent and are amongst those I would like to see an increase in the % of marks awarded. • There was adequate time to review the papers prior to the written examination. However, model answers were not always provided, which makes it difficult to provide constructive comments on the strengths / weaknesses of the question. Where comments / adjustments had been made, these were implemented in the final version. • Proof reading of final version of papers. It came to light that an older version of the SPOTs paper had been uploaded for the The external examiner made useful suggestions regarding marking of the in-course assessment which are being addressed as stated in the previous section. In addition, it was agreed at the exam board meeting that students who passed through compensation from in-course assessment should receive feedback from their tutor to highlight this fact and to suggest that a further improvement would be required in performance in subsequent years. 6 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 examination, rather than the latest version, which included some changes. I would recommend that the electronic version is checked by a member of staff prior to the examination. • Annotation on scripts. I would like to encourage internal examiners to write constructive comments on scripts as this helps external examiners to appreciate how that individual has arrived at their mark and also serves as formative feedback to students who choose to review their scripts / performance in the examination (particularly those failing students). • It was noted that many students in the “pass” band 50-55% had failed the examination but their mark had increased above the threshold by virtue of their in-course assessment. One student scored 40% in the examination, but still managed to reach a pass mark (although this was subsequently moderated). While this is not a criticism, and in fact I approve of summative in-course assessment, it might be worthwhile in having a constructive dialogue with those students who have passed but failed the written examination, to highlight the fact that they will perhaps need to work harder in the future. • The in-course Essay made a major contribution to the overall mark (12%). There are some issues, in terms of validity of marking, although double/team marking was undertaken to minimise this. One concern that I feel is likely Other comments are gratefully appreciated and will be considered for future course modification. 7 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 to become more of an issue in the future, is validation that the essay is the student’s own work. Use of Turnitin has, to some extent, helped to deal with the issue of plagiarism. However, there are now a number of internet “companies” who offer their services for essay writing (type in “write my essay” into Google !), often with a fee structure relating to the standard (and likely grade) of the end product. This type of cheating is much harder to detect and my suggestion would be to have this relatively high stakes assessment as an “open book” examination instead. • The questions in the Interpretation Paper were of varying sizes and mark allocations (out of a total of 42), which led to a degree of confusion. I appreciate that this strategy allows flexibility in terms of populating the paper with varied content and that this is a relatively new format for AB2 examinations. My suggestion, in moving forward, would be to attempt to construct problem-solving questions that are more consistent in style and marked out of 10. 8 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Animal Body 3 Kieron Salmon: At the exam board I attended, and I understand at a previous exam board, there was quite a lot of discussion regarding the broadness of the titles of the essay components. This made it quite difficult to validate the assessment and marking criteria, however I do understand what the examiners are trying to achieve. I understand that during marking feedback comments were made for all scripts, and our having access to these would greatly ease the validation of this part of the assessment. External examiners agreed on the apparent over assessment of AB3 and asked whether so many examining modalities were needed. This will be discussed by AB3 teaching staff in future course review meetings. Many other comments/suggestions were made by Brian Catchpole; -The AB3 teaching team needs to ensure that external examiners get model answers for all questions well ahead of time next year. -Statistical analyses will likely be used from now on to select MCQs Brian Catchpole: • There was adequate time to review the papers prior to the written examination in March. However, model answers were not always provided, which made it difficult to provide constructive comments on the strengths / weaknesses of some questions. Where comments / suggested changes had been made by externals, these were implemented in the final version. • Results of the statistical analysis for the MCQ paper were requested and provided to the external examiners in advance of the Board of Examiners. I would recommend this is done routinely. It is important when developing a bank of questions that this process feeds into the system for reviewing MCQs for inclusion and that poor quality questions are either re-written or excluded. • Internal examiners should be 9 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 encouraged to write constructive comments on scripts as this helps external examiners to appreciate how that individual has arrived at their mark and also serves as formative feedback to students who choose to review their scripts / performance in the examination (particularly those failing students). • The amount of time students spend in assessment (and internal examiners spend marking) seems disproportionately high for this module with two relatively large diets of assessment in December and March, as well as a significant contribution from in-course assessment. Presumably the module has a credit rating and assessment should align with that, to ensure consistency between AB modules. Some thought should perhaps go into streamlining the process. Do you need all of these assessment modalities ? • The external examiners noted the relatively high proportion of Credits and Distinctions made, but retrospective data were provided that demonstrated a trend for the proportions in each band (Pass / Credit / Distinction) to be moving towards a more balanced profile. 10 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Animal Body 4 Nigel Goode: the restrictions imposed by the structure of the AB4 orals does not allow for a full assessment of the students ability to integrate their knowledge. This would be improved by allowing the examiners to range over a wider subject base, rather than base their questioning on the specifics of the problem sets. This restriction could undermine the breadth of learning and assessment that is the (admirable) aim of the AB4 unit. Brian Catchpole: • The external examiners all agreed that the viva voce element of the examination was very relevant to this module. In particular, this allowed assessment of students’ ability to integrate different concepts and principles both from an anatomical and physiological perspective, as well as evaluating communication skills. The performance of some of the candidates, particularly in terms of their clinical knowledge was outstanding considering the stage of the course. • There was a suggestion from faculty that the viva voce examination be extended from 15 to 20 minutes. I would be happy with this change and it should be possible to include an additional pair of examiners in the room to mitigate against the increased time per student. The external examiners were not always used fully during the two days. • Notwithstanding issues of second (blind) marking, I would like to encourage internal External examiners’ meetings and reports: very constructive and generally positive. Specific points included: Model answers: not provided in advance for some questions - this will be rectified in future. Overexamination: I am bound to agree that students undergo a lot of assessment for what is a short course – exams extend over 1 week and the course over 4. I feel that their concerns about exams detract significantly from their learning experience (and in some ways risks actually discouraging the kind of independent / rounded thinking that we are trying to foster). Oral: Internal and external board members felt that 20 minute slots may be preferable to 15 and this is likely to be actioned for next year. Essay questions: concern about their openended nature, the prospect of very different answers from different students and the associated difficulty in assessing these. Mixed views amongst both internal and external examiners as to whether they should be kept. I personally would be keen to keep the essay component of the exam; notably, the essays are set within the context of the Animal Body course, and on the whole the students took remarkably similar approaches to them. However, it is true that with such large classes it can be difficult for individual markers to maintain consistency and we should consider anything that may help with this – for example, more descriptive criteria for marking as suggested by Dr. Catchpole, and continuing to 11 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 examiners to write constructive comments on scripts as this helps external examiners to appreciate how that individual has arrived at their mark and also serves as formative feedback to students who choose to review their scripts / performance in the examination (particularly those failing students). This is particularly pertinent for the essay paper, where a grade on the front of the sheet without any justification is difficult for external examiners to validate. It came to light at the Exam Board that there were Internal Examiner Comment Sheets for each essay and these should be provided to external examiners for scrutiny. • I would recommend that the marking scheme for the essays be reviewed. I wholeheartedly support the use of more open / philosophical questions as essay titles as this is in keeping with the nature of this module. However, this does lead to great deal of variability in the responses, depending on how each student interprets the question and chooses to develop their essay. This is problematic for both internal and external examiners. The marking scheme needs to reflect this type of essay in terms of style, structure, understanding and ability to construct a rational, critical and evidence-based argument. • The external examiners noted a disproportionate number of students gaining Distinction and Credit. Although it is appropriate to reward students whose performance deserves recognition, there is a risk of “devaluing” the double mark a selection of essays to ensure consistency within and between markers. Unfortunately the internal / double marked essay comments (not written on scripts) were not made available to external examiners and this will be rectified next year. The high proportion of distinctions amongst 5year programme students was noted by the external examiners although this was more of an issue for AB3 than for AB4. In AB4, for both 2y and GEP groups the modal results bracket was 60-70%. 11% of GEP candidates failed the AB4 module. 12 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 higher levels, if most of the class are considered “above average”. I do not think the solution is to go down the A* route, with an additional level above Distinction for those students who are truly exceptional. There are also issues with moving the boundaries (to 75% for example for Distinction). This issue probably needs some further discussion internally. Animal Body GEP Paul Loughna: Most of the assessments were appropriate for the course and the interpretation questions were particularly effective. However some of the long essay questions were very open ended making defining marking criteria not only difficult to establish but also difficult to defend academically. The examination process is very thorough and if anything the students are over-assessed. As stated above and discussed in the Exam Board some of the essay question formats should be reviewed. The AB4 exam was changed in line with the externals comments. Stuart Carter: As in previous years, I believe the course is over-examined. 13 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 AHWFS 2 Elizabeth Mullineaux: The written questions need to be very carefully considered to remove any ambiguity. Marking schemes should be carefully constructed so that it is clear where marks are allocated and subsequently achieved, and so that marking is consistent. External examiners reports were generally favourable. There were comments regarding the variability in student’s abilities during the practical examination; but with the differences in back ground experience this is to be expected. There seems to be an endless history in the school of epidemiology and statistics lectures being poorly attended and questions related to those subjects being poorly answered or not answered at all. Graham Baird: My general comments are that the practical exam was very well organised and fair. Review of the written papers demonstrated a generally good level of understanding by students, but some gaps in knowledge for some candidates in certain parts of the curriculum. My only suggestion relates to the written exam and this is that marking be indicated clearly for all questions to allow for effective auditing by external examiners. 14 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 AHWFS GEP The GEP course does seem to have more students of a lower standard than the more conventional entry to second year. The school needs to address how to ensure that standards are maintained throughout the course as a whole when dealing with these poorer students. Some concern was expressed as to the standard of the GEP students for the course. This may be a reflection of the fact that GEP students have not completed their EMS prior to sitting the exam, which may disadvantage them in terms of exam performance, but unfortunately is unavoidable. SSC1 The marks awarded were consistently high, and this was an accurate reflection of the quality of the work examined. The peer marking scheme is useful, however there are some concerns regarding the potential lack of transparency of this scheme. Consideration is being given as to how the peer marking scheme may be made more objective and transparent, perhaps by inclusion of a directed reflective summary to be submitted by each student, or a written summary of each individual’s contribution to the group project. The external examiner commented favourably on the use of Prezi as a presentation tool and the quality of the student presentations. He liked the used of YouTube videos although he expressed some concern about public access to these. We will ensure in future that students are warned of the perils of YouTube and that presentations are converted to private access. The external examiner considered that the marking was an accurate reflection of quality and that the peer marking was useful. However, he recommended that we should require students to justify their peer marks by providing explanation. We plan to do this. Consideration is also being given, on an ongoing basis, as to how to arrange a remedial assessment exercise for any one student whose contribution to the group exercise was deemed insufficient to allow them to pass. The external examiner recommended that provision for a failing student should include a form of remedial assessment. We have not had a failing student and there is provision for a 1000 word essay for such an eventuality. We accept however, that this may not satisfy the remedial aspect and we will consider other options. 15 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Vet Path Clinical Foundation Course AHWFS 3 My experience is of thorough and fair examinations based on a well organised and taught course. In the examinations, perhaps consideration could be given to increasing the proportion of questions relating to surgical pathology / descriptions as discussed at the last Board of Examiners meeting. It would be useful to have some form of standard setting for the pass mark although it is recognised that this may be problematic for the small numbers of candidates in the resits. This is an extremely well-run course, which is a credit to the Course Leader. In addition, given the volume of material presented to the students, the staff teaching on the course should also be commended. There are no particular changes that I would recommend regarding this course. Standard setting introduced. • I suggest that some more testing MCQs are created and that the MCQs are graded into categories of difficulty. • The inclusion of some recognisably difficult MCQs in the examination will help to avoid any suggestion of ‘dumbing-down’ of the examination process. I would like to thank Sam for his hard work in a very tight time frame. I agree with the external that we need to develop more testing MCQs as we move into the new course structure to avoid dumbing down. The large class sizes make more challenging methods of assessment such as projects and essays impossible. There are no further comments as this course will no longer exist as a separate course next year. We thank the external examiner for his very positive comments 16 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Dog & Cat Last year all questions in the short answer section were made compulsory. This was to ensure students could no longer avoid large areas of the syllabus. This was carried through to this year’s examination. It was suggested that the short answer section should provide some case-based scenarios or problem-solving questions. This was achieved with most questions demanding interpretation of information, rather than just factual recall. Many students failed to achieve a pass because they lacked sufficient knowledge, did not answer the question that was posed or missed the point of the question. Based on verbal comments at time of exam board – written report not yet received. The external examiner had reviewed borderline papers and felt the marking to be fair. The external examiner felt that one or two questions that were poorly answered may be considered unfair if no-one had been able to get full marks. However, these questions were based on taught material and were therefore considered valid. However, better marks might have been obtained if some of the questions were structured so that students received a little prompting to organise their answers. For example, question 5 asked for the correct interpretation of an FeLV/FIV SNAP test and the advice to be given to the owner subsequently. The question was reasonable and presented a clinical scenario. However, students often did not appreciate the difference between a positive test result and the actual/eventual viral status of the kitten. This may have been due to lack of knowledge but by missing this point, many failed to provide relevant answers. Re-phrasing the second part of the question (advice to the owner) might have improved the response. 17 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 The required answer for question 4 (surgery) expected a fairly complex written description of surgical anatomy. The use of diagrams would have been preferable. Suggestions for change: All questions in the short answer section should remain compulsory (i.e. no change!). Farm Animal Prior to taking the examination, students should be advised of the nature the two sections: • The MCQ section will mostly test factual recall. • The short answer section will require interpretation of information and a greater depth of knowledge. I have concerns about the difference in level of performance between the MCQs and essays but have discussed this at exam board meetings Both External Examiners reports very complimentary about course, and no comments to respond to. 18 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 Equine My sole and minor concern related to the phrasing and structure of some questions appearing in the essay paper. There was no ambiguity or absence of clarity in these questions, and I stress that no candidate failed the examination as a consequence of this alone, and, having moderated the question paper, I accept due responsibility for this. However, with the hindsight of seeing the how these questions were answered by a minority of candidates, I feel question structuring could be simplified in future. The external examiners comments were very positive. His only concern was the use of English words that some of the North American students did not appear to understand including “salient”. He noted that we should take special care with question wording in future examinations in view of the different backgrounds of some of our students. Exotics None. No concerns raised by external examiner. 19 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 AHWFS 4 I made one suggestion during the Exam Board meeting: that consideration be given to setting a minimum required mark in each of the practical and written components of this exam, such that students cannot progress to pass if they achieve less than this mark in one or the other of these elements (for example, students must achieve a minimum of 45% in each element, with an over all combined mark of 50% in order to pass). On further consideration I recommend that consideration be given to collation of marks by question in order to identify mean marks achieved across the class for each question. This would help to identify questions that, on restrospective review, are most effective in discriminating between students based on level of knowledge. CLIC No major changes to the examination are suggested as overall the quality and standard of the assessment has been very good. The following minor comments are put forward for consideration by the course team: 1. The information to candidates provided in the course information book would benefit from a minor clarification relating to the exact requirements for the peerwise activity. The evaluation from the external examiner is very positive on the overall course. The main comment from the external examiner was to set a minimum required mark in each of the practical and written components of this exam, such that students cannot progress to pass if they achieve less than this mark in one or the other of these elements (for example, students must achieve a minimum of 45% in each element, with an overall combined mark of 50% in order to pass). This has been already addressed by the course organiser and changes to the exam marking criteria approved by the teaching and learning committee of the school. New External examiner for 2012/13 course. Positive comments. CLIC course ceasing this year – becoming part of Professional and Clinical Skills 4 (P&CS 4) for 2013/14. However – will ensure comments about clarifying certain instructions are carried over to the P&CS 4 course if these elements remain. (PeerWise). Also suggestion about a more detailed holistic assessment of portfolio. 2. The emphasis on peer assessment activities is a particular strength of this course and this component of the Portfolio was 20 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 generally done well 3. Inclusion of a course learning outcome relating to professional behaviour could strengthen the case for requiring high levels of compliance with course deadlines and portfolio format issues Final Year Rotations 4. As the portfolio continues to develop in the context of curriculum changes, it may be appropriate to consider whether a more detailed holistic assessment of portfolio content or would provide an opportunity to differentiate student performance and provide more specific feedback on skills development In the interests of improving the service that is Not yet received. provided by the external examiners I would like to suggest that the following documents relating to the practical exams should be sent to the external examiners in advance of the exams. • Scripts for all stations. Any comments could be fed back if required. • A full timetable of stations, examiners and scenarios planned • Student exam timetable • A list of students that merit closer observation (i.e. re-sit students) This will allow external examiners time to study these documents and plan which stations to observe and when. Trying to absorb these details while exams are going on is unsatisfactory. On arrival external examiners can be given a pack with any updates, maps of 21 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 stations and a full photo sheet of the students being examined. It would also be useful to receive written feedback on external examiner comments relating to the Multiple Choice paper and final reports, noting what action is to be taken and why. This would assist with understanding and future performance. Timetabling of different departments led to discussions of their different approaches and it would be wise to revisit these to examine if improvements can be made, such as through the use of rolling examiners to avoid fatigue and settling on a standard number of sessions before a break. Some of the locations used for the stations were of poor quality with excess noise, poor ventilation and poor layout for observation. I would advise care should be taken when choosing future locations and that seating is arranged so that external examiners are not sitting behind the candidate (they often speak quietly and cannot be heard clearly from behind). Although I would suggest it would be wise to choose seating locations carefully, so as not to intimidate the candidates. Some stations appeared to cause much greater apprehension amongst the students which may have led to poorer performance, although on observation these stations were delivered calmly and adhered to the script set down. Would it be possible to investigate this, maybe through feedback from the students to gain an 22 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 understanding of why? This is the first year that general practitioners have been used to examine the students and I wholeheartedly back this approach. However I am concerned about the level of support and training given prior to the exams, scenarios seemed to be evolving as the exams progressed. I would suggest more experienced colleagues be utilised to comment on the scripts prior to their use and that as we learn from this process a body of knowledge and scripts are built up to support this endeavour. I would also suggest that where possible general practitioners are appointed for a number of years so that their level of experience in examining and best practice can be increased and passed on. A meeting of the GP’s involved to get their feedback on the experience and comments on improvements would be a good idea. I would like to suggest that a library of scripts that have proved to be successful be retained for future training of all new internal and GP examiners. Video recordings of best practice would also be useful for future reference. Variability between examiners continues to be a concern, as this can affect the exam and student experience. The majority of examiners perform well and are providing quality assessments, but discussions about a student’s personal life and future are inappropriate in an exam setting as is teaching and answering questions for the candidates within the exam. Care should be taken to make the scenarios 23 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 relevant and when using ‘real life’ examples give typical information the clinician would be presented with by a client. I feel it would be useful to include some cost benefit analysis in the production animal scenarios. It was good to see that cost was used in some of the scripts and also how it is possible to achieve a suitable outcome using simple equipment rather than resorting to the latest ‘toys’. The students presented this year appeared to have better observational skills and practicality, although they continue to have problems with everyday veterinary equipment e.g. calving machines. It was observed that some small demonstrations were available in the Study Landscape on the first floor of the main building. I would suggest that these should be expanded and if space is not available rotated as a resource for the students to become more familiar with equipment. It was noted that there appears to be a general lack of knowledge relating to practical parasitology e.g. unable to identify mange mites in the dog. This is a cause for concern and should be investigated. It was noted that there was a basic lack of mental arithmetic skills with an over reliance on calculators (even for division by 10), while some students will have disabilities that make numbers difficult they deserve help to develop coping strategies. Other students should be encouraged to practice and acquire greater skills relating to basic dosage calculations so that 24 External Examiner Comments & Course Organiser Responses, 2012/13 errors are minimised. There was a noticeable increase in the number of students who answered that they ‘would look it up’ to questions asked, while this demonstrates admirable common sense it also demonstrates a lack of appropriate knowledge. How is this considered in the marking scheme? The very nature of this position is that external examiners are present to question, this makes it appear that sometimes people are not appreciated for the massive amount of work that they put into the exams. This is far from the truth and I would like to commend everybody involved for their efforts especially those who assisted me this year as I continue to find my feet as an external examiner. SSC2 First external examiner now appointed for 13/14. 25