Minutes of PAP01 face to face meeting
July 22, 2010, Detroit, Michigan
Attendees
Name
David Su
Bruce Kraemer
Steve Holmgrin
Gary Stuebing
Tom Herbst
Matt Gillmore
Name
Ken Holbrook
John Buffington
Frances Cleveland
Mitsuru Kanda
Joe Hughes
Kuor Hsin Chang
Company
ITRON
ITRON
XANTHUS
TOSHIBA
EPRI
ELSTER
Mike Corbett
Paul Duffy
Fred Baker
Company
NIST
MARVELL
SENSUS
DUKE ENERGY
SSN
CONSUMER
ENERGY
BGA
CISCO
CISCO
Michael Northern
David Meyer
Phil Roberts
Gordon Blackwell
Klaus Bender
ITRON
UTC
Kelly Flowers
Dileep Rudran
Michael Stuber
Jorjeta Jetcheva
DTE ENERGY
ACCENTURE
ITRON
ITRON
Nada Golmie
Margaret
Wasserman
Quan Wang
Ron Cunningham
Called in
Mehmet Ersue
DELOITTE
CISCO
INTERNET
SOCIETY
NIST
BELKIRE
Jerry Armes
MICRONET
Ted Fsher
David Goseh
IAP SOLUTIONS
Doug Montgomery
CQOPT
AEP
Nokia Siemens
Networks
NUARI, Norwich
Univ.
NIST
Summary of Meeting
David Su opened with an overview of the tasks for PAP01 and reviewed the proposed
agenda that was sent prior to the meeting.
1. Core IP Protocol Suite
Fred Baker gave an overview of his draft document “Internet protocols for the Smart
Grid.” He then presented a slide deck on additional issues that might need further
discussions in his document - IP security, IPv6, and Home Area Networks.
Fred asked for comments on this document.
David Su asked what is the final format of this document, will it be just informational
RFC, or any other type of RFC as it might have other implications as a final deliverable
for PAP01 to SGIP and possibly FERC.
Joe Hughes expressed the concept of developing a report similar to what NIST developed
as Special Report 500-267, USG V6 profiles. Joe described that there may be several
different types of networks for the Smart Grid that may each have its own set of
requirements pertinent to the domain or environment. Several standardized profiles may
be needed.
2. Mapping of RFCs to satisfy requirements in NISTIR 7628
Ted Fisher presented his mapping of security requirements from the NISTIR 7628. It was
agreed that a detailed description of security mapping is needed for each specific scenario.
A team is formed to continue the work.
3. IPv6 for Smart Grid
Phil Roberts, from the Internet Society presented information on his organization to
promote the migration to Internet Protocol V6. The main concern is the exhaustion of
Internet V4 address space, which may happen as early as end of 2010.
It was mentioned that some utilities would like to move to IPv6, but are facing a problem
that vendors are not offering IPv6 implementations. A testing and certification. Program
would help.
David Su mentioned that NIST’ IPv6 program has established a testing infrastructure to
help U.S. Government Agencies in procuring IPv6 network equipments. Doug
Montgomery from NIST presented additional information about the program.
David asked for volunteers to work with NIST for IPv6 profile for SG, if interested
please contact David Su or Doug Montgomery at NIST.
4. IP Network Architecture
David Su noted that several architecture documents are being developed at IEEE P2030,
IEC TC57, ITU-T G.hnem, and others. SEP2.0 also specifies the use of IP. Therefore
PAP01 needs to address the architecture of IP networks. Fred Baker indicated that
George Arnold had asked him to develop an architecture document as well. Fred Baker
will take action on this.
There were questions concerning routing infrastructure and how multi-homing is
currently handled. No specific action time was developed.
5. IP Network Management
David Su: Given that Smart Grid applications will use IP networks, is there a need for
PAP01 to develop a guideline for IP network management? Furthermore, currently the
NIST Roadmap document lists several standards related to network management, mixing
OSI and IP protocols such as CMIP and SNMP, how do we clean up the list.
Fred Baker: Three major initiatives for network management. SNMP used for
monitoring. Netconf was developed largely for managing configurations. Capwep used
in wireless environments. Suggested to look at Netconf to adopt for Smart Grid.
Netconf is also useful for modeling data. There is no implementation of CMIP and is not
being used, it should be deleted from the list.
Francis Cleveland: 62351-7 IEC document includes abstract objects and reflects what
utilities.
6. Gap Analysis
Participants from OpenSG noted that there are gaps has been identified for HAN and
work on new RFC has been initiated. An action item is created for the group to provide
the list.
7. NIST SG Roadmap V2.0
What to say about IP protocols in the list of standards? It is necessary to recommend a
set of RFCs for FERC’s rule making? The group agreed that listing Fred’s core protocol
suite is sufficient. The group also agreed that recommendation to FERC is not needed.
Action Items
1. OpendSG to provide a list of gaps and issues found in HAN for work in the IETF.
Issues include service discovery, security, mess routing.
2. Team lead by Ted Fisher to develop document describing how to achieve security with
IP suite of protocols based on SG requirements (current team members: Joe and Francis,
additional volunteers requested).
3. Fred Baker to post revision 06 of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baker-ietf-core and
PAP01 group to provide feed back.
4. Doug Montgomery to provide information of USGv6 program links, email lists and
POCs. PAP01 group to provide feedback on the applicability of the USGv6 profile to
smart grid networking requirements.
5. Fred Baker and others to develop an IP architecture document.
Future Meetings
A PAP01 F2F meeting will be scheduled at the next SGIP plenary meeting September
14-16 in St Louis.