MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
JUNE 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 25 – 28, 2012
ESTREL HOTEL & CONVENTION CENTER
BERLIN, GERMANY
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, JUNE 25, 2012 to THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 2012
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED
Meeting Overview
and Information
The Meeting Overview and Information was presented throughout the meeting. The sections are
organized and follow the outline numbering on the agenda and in these meetings minutes.
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTL) was called to order at 9:00 a.m. 25-June-12.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Muriel
Dagmar
Thomas
Robert
Jeff
Linda
Georges
George
Ute
Thomas
Frank
Claus
Adrien
Olivier
Tim
Luis Gustavo
Jeremy
K.T.
Amanda
Norberto
Lindsay
Dongyu
Huiqing
COMPANY NAME
Auzanne
Barinova
Brendel
Clark
Conrad
Cook
Coste
Doviak
Fiedler
Heckel
Lennert
Kuckens
Maffre
Molinas
Myers
Pacheco
Phillips
Quader
Rickman
Roiz-Lafuente
Schurle
Yang
Zhang
Airbus
Honeywell Aerospace
MTU Aero Engines GmbH
Eaton Aerospace
Cessna Aircraft Company
Rolls-Royce
SAFRAN Group
Goodrich Corporation
Rolls-Royce
Rolls-Royce
The Boeing Company
Goodrich Corporation
Airbus
Eurocopter
Honeywell Aerospace
Embraer
Cessna Aircraft Company
The Boeing Company
Raytheon Company
EADS CASA
Spirit AeroSytems, Inc.
COMAC
COMAC
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Vice-Chairperson
Chairperson
Secretary
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Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
*
Francois
Corwyn
Tugba
Mike
Massimo
Matthew
*
Jean-Francios
Julian
Erbir
Sarah
Kay
Barbaza
Berger
Biyikli
Brandt
Capriolo
ChamberlainWebber
Chevalier
Corato
Eker
Evans
Fisher
Kevin
Markus
Stephan
Luis
Fuller
Fuschmann
Greimers
Guelbenzy
Anil
Jens
Natalie
Sylvie
Joshi
Kiehn
Koon
LefebvreAddison
Ng
O’Connell
Olevson
Padrul
Pojer
Richy
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Roger
Annette
Bob
Jacob
Martin
PierreEmmanuel
James
Rossi
Christian
Schmidder
Wolfgang
Schuetzenhoefer
Thomas
Birgit
Schwabe
Skrotzki
Harvey
Howard
Edward
Smith
Spader
Spanknoble
Simon
Jennifer
Tournebize
Tret
Madiyar
Jason
Chowaniec
Tursunbayev
Wright
Zdzislaw
ECCI
Exova, Inc. Chicago
TAI
Alcoa
Bytest srl
Timet UK Limited ( Witton )
LISI Aerospace
Exova
TAI
Intertek
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co
KG
Haynes International, Inc.
OTTO FUCHS KG
ThyssenKrupp VDM
Applus LGAI Technological
Center
Praxair Surface Technologies
OTTO FUCHS KG
Haynes International, Inc.
LISI Aerospace
Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.
Haynes International, Inc.
Element Huntington Beach
Constellium France
Letov Letecká Výroba s.r.o.
Aubert & Duval
Westmoreland Mechanical
Testing
W.S. Werkstoff Service
GmbH
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co
KG
SGS Institut Fresenius GmbH
BAM Federal Institute for
Materials Research
IncoTest
Instron
Heartland Precision
Fasteners, Inc.
Aubert & Duval
Sherry Laboratories of
Indiana LLC
UKTMP
Metals Technology, Inc.
ZKM Sp. Z o.o.
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Proxy for Luoni
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PRI Staff Present
Robert
Jim
Robert
Kevin
Hoeth
Lewis
Lizewski
Wetzel
1.2
It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance for the “Closed” portion
1.3
Introductions – All in attendance were asked to state name, company and voting status
1.4
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct was reviewed with the attendees
1.5
Review Agenda - The agenda for the meeting was reviewed.
2.0
AUDIT REPORT REVIEWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED
Rob Hoeth presented the Delegation Summary data for all Audit Report Reviewers. All current
delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, and Jim Stokes) continue to meet the requirements
defined in NOP-003. No change was made to the delegation status.
PRI Staff Engineers Bob Lizewski and Rob Hoeth are reviewing MTL audits as non-delegated audit
report reviewers. Audits assigned to these audit report reviewers will need to be reviewed by a
quorum of the subscriber voting members prior to accreditation. They will be eligible for
consideration for delegated status at the February 2013 meeting based on the one year rule.
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to add an agenda item for February 2013: delegation of non-delegated audit
report reviewers. (DUE DATE: 25-OCT-12)
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to send eAuditNet enhancement request for automated e-mails to identify a
delegated/non-delegated status when notifying subscriber of an audit in Task Group review. K. Wetzel to
investigate other commodities to if there is a benefit for all commodities. (DUE DATE: 01-AUG-12)
Tim Myers submitted an “issue” for consideration to the Standardization Committee for Subscriber
review of the completed audits as required in NOP-003 5.3a. The TG has no guidance or
instruction on the expectations of this process. It was discussed in the MTL TG meeting how
Subscribers perform this function. There is considerable variation. A lack of training on the
expectations of the TG to perform this audit report review function was found.
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to add an agenda item for February 2013 meeting to discuss guidelines for
expectation of subscribers conducting audit report reviews. (DUE DATE: 25-OCT-12)
3.0
AUDITOR EVALUATIONS / SUPPLIER FEEDBACK / AUDIT OBSERVATIONS– CLOSED
The MTLTG reviewed data supplied concerning Auditor Evaluations that are completed by the
Audit Report Reviewer and the Supplier Feedback that are completed by the Supplier. There were
no issues since the last meeting.
Subscriber Audit Observation Reports were reviewed and discussed. NOP-007 was reviewed as
this procedure describes the process for scheduling and participation for an audit observation.
Observers are required to complete form t-frm-01. This form was reviewed. The form is geared
toward the auditor only. It was discussed this form should not only address the auditor but also the
audit process.
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4.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
4.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
4.2
Introductions– All in attendance were asked to state name, company and voting status
4.3
Code of Ethics/Anti-Trust was reviewed with the attendees.
Review of Personal
Code of Ethics and
4.4
Review Agenda - The agenda for the meeting was reviewed
4.5
Approval of the February 2012 Minutes
The minutes of the February 2012 meeting held in San Diego, CA were approved without change.
4.6
Meeting Conduct
Tim Myers explained parliamentary procedure.
Welcome and Rules
5.0
Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPEN
The MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap/MTL Policies
and Procedures.
MTL Tutorial-June
2012
In addition to Kevin Wetzel and Jim Lewis listed as staff engineers, Rob Hoeth and Bob Lizewski
are now non-delegated audit report reviewers for MTL.
6.0
NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN
Jeremy Phillips of Cessna Aircraft was proposed as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion made by
Frank Lennert and seconded to accept Jeremy Phillips as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion
passed. Keith Kastner will be the AUVM for Cessna Aircraft.
Phil Bretz of Metcut was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion made by Frank Lennert
and seconded to accept Phil Bretz as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion passed.
Jason Wright of Metals Technology Inc. was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion made
by Frank Lennert and seconded to accept Jason Wright as a Supplier Voting Member. Motion
passed.
An m-frm-01 was completed for all new voting members.
7.0
FEEDBACK FROM SAN DIEGO MEETING – OPEN
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A review of the responses from the San Diego meeting was conducted. An e-mail had been sent to
attendees for feedback from the San Diego meeting. Approximately 10% responded.
To help with open and real time feedback it was suggested a paper form be available at every
meeting; these could be collected every day as people do not always attend everyday/session of
the meetings. This would be in addition to an e-mail to solicit feedback from the group.
Tim Myers made a motion to have feedback from the next meeting via e-mail and paper. Motion
seconded. Motion passed.
A suggestion was made to add a blank ‘General Comments’ to the feedback form.
Tim Myers made a motion to have the original 3 questions plus a blank ‘General Comments’
section for the next feedback form. Motion seconded. Motion passed.
Daily paper feedback forms are to be collected. Amanda Rickman and Lindsay Schurle volunteered
to enter and summarize this data daily and give information to Chair.
A “Confirmation of Agenda” conference call will be held to make any necessary adjustments to the
agenda based on the feedback.
ACTION ITEM: Jennifer Kornrumpf to set up the ‘Confirmation of Agenda’ conference call one month prior
to the next meeting. (DUE DATE: 19-SEP-12)
Kevin Wetzel explained how to get on e-mail distribution lists as a non-voting member. To receive
e-mails from MTL task group, there is a form to be completed and submitted to Kevin Wetzel or
Jennifer Kornrumpf. Jennifer will add you to the MTL roster.
Request Inclusion for Addition to Task
Task Group Ballots Group Roster.pdf
8.0
IRR/PT PROGRAM OPERATION – OPEN
8.1
Tim Myers proposed an acceptance/approval letter to be sent to suppliers who have requested
their IRR/PT program be approved by the MTLTG.
Muriel Auzanne presented another explanation of the IRR/PT options.
MTL PT RR Action
Plan June 2012
Tim Myers made a motion to table this issue for a sub-team to propose text for a revision to
NTGOP-001 Appendix II to define the PT program approval process. Motion seconded. Motion
passed.
Sub-team volunteers:
Muriel Auzanne (lead)
Olivier Molinas, Subscriber
Corwyn Berger, supplier
Linda Cook, subscriber
Bob Olevson, supplier
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Georges Coste, subscriber
John Thomas, supplier
8.2
ILT-Interlaboratory Test S.A. Proposal for PT program
See ‘Meeting Overview and Information’ for the ILT proposal.
Frank Lennert made a motion to require a presentation (verbal/Webex or face to face) to the TG
for any PT providers seeking recognition. And revise AC 7101/1E AppC to include this requirement.
This will be reviewed by the subteam Motion seconded. Motion passed.
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel (with concurrence of sub-team formed above) to respond to ILT with
requirement for presentation to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 19-OCT-12)
8.3
IRR/PT Delinquency ramifications were discussion.
Muriel Auzanne made a motion to accept the action plan which will ensure compliance with
AC7101/1 and close the NCR. A non-sustaining NCR of the same test method would not be
accepted. This applies to both initial, reaccreditation and reentry audits. The following MTL Nadcap
audit will review action plan for compliance. No reduced accreditation duration is necessary. Motion
seconded. Motion passed.
Outlier data points within IRR or PT programs were discussed
Lindsay Schurle made a motion to make the following changes to AC 7101/1:
15.3.5 <Delete>
15.4.2 Laboratory has a procedure for investigation of outliers
15.4.3 Laboratory investigated any outliers (see definitions) identified from their testing results and
documented the results of their investigation along with corrective action(s) taken in response to
the investigation as necessary.
Motion seconded. Motion passed.
9.0
PROPOSAL FOR AUDIT HANDBOOK – OPEN
Discussion was held concerning the proposal for a MTL Audit Handbook
George Doviak made a motion to proceed with the handbook creation. Motion seconded. Motion
passed.
It was suggested that an auditor be added to each Technical Advisory Group (TAG).Discussed the
purpose, scope and content of the handbook. Participation from the MTL TG was identified as the
biggest obstacle.
Also see section 18.0 for further information concerning Audit Handbook
10.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
10.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
10.2
Introductions– All in attendance were asked to state your name, company and voting status
10.3
Code of Ethics/Anti-Trust was reviewed with the attendees
11.0
PRESENT RESULTS OF RR/PT TEAM AND DETERMINE ACTIONS TO RESLOVE
MORATORIUM – OPEN
George Doviak called for a vote on this issue after much discussion.
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MTL PT RR Action
Plan June 2012
Review pages 6 and 7 of presentation
Muriel Auzanne made a motion to implement the proposed verbiage for statistical selection of
IRR/equipment for test C, XA, Y, O. Additionally, add the following intent: IRR or SPC or Gage
R&R shall be acceptable for all table 1 (not only for the mechanical one). Note: If multiple pieces of
equipment evidence the same deviation from the induced property for the top priority, the deviation
for subsequent properties shall be the determining factor. Motion seconded. Yes-8; No-9; Motion
does not pass.
Jim Rossi made a motion to implement random selection of a minimum of 6 test machines for test
codes with machines not repeated in the following IRR cycles until all machines have participated
in the IRR program. Motion seconded. Yes-7; No-7 resulted in a tie. The Chairs opened up the
vote to the whole room to break the tie. Yes-19; No-13, Motion passed.
12.0
AUDITOR ACTIVITY – OPEN
Kevin Wetzel showed Nadcap website for auditor candidates (eAuditStaff.com). Preliminary
questionnaire (a-frm-04 and a-frm-04MTL)
MTL has a hard time getting auditor candidates with hands-on experience in the various types of
tests. “All-encompassing” auditors are hard to find. Right now all MTL auditors can audit all
checklists.
Kevin Wetzel would like some input on the a-frm-04MTL to get more accurate information from
auditor candidates.
a-frm-04 MTL [1]
Kevin Wetzel made a motion to set up a sub-team for NIP 6-01 MTL Appendix plus a-frm-04MTL
to revise criteria for the auditor hiring process. Motion seconded. Motion passed.
Team will report out suggested changes at the next meeting.
Volunteers for sub-team:
Amanda Rickman
Jeremy Phillips
Harvey Smith
Annette O’Connell
Kevin Wetzel – Lead
A short discussion was held on how to develop new auditors when they have deficiencies with
certain test methods.
Initial Auditor Training course is being rolled out by PRI. The courses will encompass common
topics amongst all Nadcap auditors, such as professionalism, auditing skills, NCR writing, etc.
Part of the initial auditor training courses will be presented to the current auditor base in the
October auditor conference. (Auditing skills and NCR writing modules will be reviewed)
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MTL is working with eQuaLearn to develop Nadcap Audit Preparation material for Materials Testing
Laboratories. AC 7101/2 Chemical Analysis is the first material being developed.
13.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
14.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE AGENDA – OPEN
A request was made for topics and presenter for the October auditor conference:
The Commodity specific conference will be 12pm – 5 pm Saturday October 23, 2012 and 8am 5pm Sunday October 24, 2012. There will also be the Subscriber/Auditor round table discussion
6pm-9pm Sunday October 24, 2012
Heat Treat TG has asked for a presentation for their auditors concerning Room Temperature
Tensile testing. (Supplier - Sherry Laboratory offered their assistance in developing the
presentation)
John Sieber – NIST will give a presentation to both the auditors and MTL TG concerning Chemical
analysis CRM’s
A portion of the PRI developed Initial Auditor Training course will be given to the current auditors
(Auditing skills and NCR writing modules will be reviewed).
Additional topics were discussed:
Auditing for compliance
Top NCR Review per checklist
Audit preparation expectations
Subscriber and suppliers are being encouraged to participate in the development of training
material and presentations for the annual auditor conference
Auditors will be contacted for any additional specific training needs.
15.0
COMPLIANCE TO NOP-002 3.3, AC CHECKLIST CHAMPION REPORT, INDUSTRY
STANADRDS/SPECIFICATION COMMITTEE PARTICIPATION REPORT – OPEN
15.1
AC Checklist Champion Report-Out
The Champion’s task is to monitor industry standards for changes which impact the MTL
checklists; present potential changes at each MTLTG meeting; and drive change as required in a
timely manner.
Dave Serbousek AC7101/6:
ISO 9227 has a 2012 revision. No known conflicts with current checklist.
Tim Myers AC7101/4 and /5:
ASTM E92 and E384 were combined; now they are being separated again.
Jim Rossi AC7101/3
ASTM E8 was updated with technical changes. No known impact to current checklist.
Frank Lennert AC7101/9
AMS 2750 is out for ballot. No known impact to checklist at this time.
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ACTION ITEM: Kay Fisher to update European standards list in the AC7101/1. (DUE DATE: 22-OCT-12)
15.2
Industry Standards/Specification Committee participation report
ASTM committee rep report
E-04 committee (information supplied by John Chir)
E384-“Knoop and Vickers Hardness” A survey ballot indicated that most E04 members preferred
that E384 be separated from E92 and only be a microhardness method.
This means that E384 will be revised and balloted again as a microhardness method and if this
ballot passes, E92 will have to be reinstated by E28.
E112-”Determining Average Grain Size” has been revised and successfully balloted. There are
several changes but the most significant is in the planimetric procedure.
E45- “Determining Inclusion Content of Steel” has a new Plate I-A replacing Plate Ir. The images
are new but represent the same lengths and widths as the old chart. Severity and width information
are now included on the plate. There will also be a workshop on inclusion rating during the fall
meetings in Atlanta 14-NOV-12. Information on the workshop is available on the ASTM web site
E28 committee (information supplied by Jim Hartman)
1. E1012 – (Alignment) Revised standard now published
2. E8 – (Tensile testing) – significant activity regarding “elongation” vs “elongation at fracture.”
Data gathering currently underway.
3. E238 (Pin Bearing) – new revision approved
4. E18 (HRC) – negatives on new ballot to work out
5. E140 – (Hardness conversion tables) – negatives on proposed revision to be worked out.
6. E110 (Portable Hardness testers) – revision activity at subcommittee level.
There is also a lot of discussion regarding putting the Knoop and Vickers macro testing in with the
micro testing standard. This is mostly an E4 activity but has some bearing on E28.
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to plan agenda time at next meeting to look at ASTME1012 impact on checklist
AC7101/3. (DUE DATE: 01-AUG-12)
European Standards Kay Fisher reported
DIN 51418/2 German standard (X-ray spectrometry - X-ray emission- and X-ray fluorescence
analysis (XRF)) - Definitions and basic principles for measurements, calibration and evaluation of
results is being updated
CEN/TR 10317 Tech report, European Certified Reference materials is being updated
EN 10247 Micrographic examination of nonmetallic inclusions is being revised.
15.3
Compliance to NOP-002 3.3
Nadcap NOP-002
and Materials Testing
Lindsay Schurle made a motion to form a team to establish to document references between
requirements and audit criteria. Document the references for one technical checklist for the TG
discussion in October 2012. TG to review process and result and suggest a path forward. Motion
Seconded. Motion passed.
Volunteers for sub-team:
Lindsay Schurle (lead)
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George Doviak
Kay Fisher
Mike Brandt
Rob Hoeth
Frank Lennert
Muriel Auzanne
Neil Tinsley
Massimo Capriolo
ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to set up a meeting between CP and MTL staff engineers and Lindsay Schurle
to discuss other task group progress on this topic. This meeting should happen before the sub-team sets
up their first conference call. (DUE DATE: 27-JUL-12)
16.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
16.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
16.2
Introductions– All in attendance were asked to state your name, company and voting status
16.3
Code of Ethics/Anti-Trust and meeting conduct was reviewed with the attendees
17.0
SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN
Corwyn Berger presented the notes and discussion of a meeting conducted with MTL suppliers and
PRI management on 22-FEB-12.
cmb Notes from MTL
Supplier Discussion
18.0
ADDITIONAL WORK ON HANDBOOK, RR/PT, PR AUDITOR TRAINING PER TASK GROUP
CONSENUS – OPEN
Jacob Padrul made a motion to accept Technical Advisory Group (TAG) process as proposed.
See “Meeting Overview and Information” section 9.0 pages 46 through 58 for proposal. Motion
seconded. Motion passed.
Amanda Rickman made a motion to put the TAG process into the Audit Handbook. Motion
seconded. Motion passed.
Tim Myers presented his draft of the Audit Handbook. Review “Meeting Overview and information”
Section 9.0 pages 41 through 63 for further information.
Tim Myers presented proposed changes to AC7101/1.
Kay Fisher made a motion to put proposed audit handbook out for review and take a final vote
October 2012 in Pittsburgh. Motion seconded. Motion passed.
Tim Myers made a motion to create a sub-team to meet every two weeks to draft an audit
handbook version to be presented in Pittsburgh. Motion seconded. Motion passed.
Volunteers for sub-team for audit handbook draft:
Amanda Rickman
Linda Cook
Kay Fisher
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Jason Wright
Jennifer Tret
Muriel Auzanne
Kevin Wetzel or Rob Hoeth
Tim Myers (Lead)
Frank Lennert
Lindsay Schurle
ACTION ITEM: Sub-Team to present draft audit handbook at the October 2012 Nadcap meeting in
Pittsburgh. (DUE DATE: 22-OCT-12)
19.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
20.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – OPEN
Corwyn Berger presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For
complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.
cmb MTL SSC TG
Report June 2012
21.0
REVIEW PLANNING & OPS MEETING AGENDA – OPEN
Tim Myers presents the agenda for the Planning and Ops Meeting which is scheduled for
Wednesday afternoon.
The agenda of the Planning and Ops meeting was reviewed. There was no further discussion. For
complete details, see the Planning and Ops meeting minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.
22.0
REVIEW MTL TOP FINDINGS PER CHECKLIST– OPEN
MTL Top 10 NCRs
(supplier) may 2012
The group would like to see additional column on top finding chart (list auditors by code, sector
Asia/Europe/Americas, NCR element) were mentioned.
Kay Fisher made a motion to establish a sub-team to complete deep dive investigation onto top 1
NCR of each checklist after the February 2013 meeting. Sub-team to present results of deep dive
in June 2013 with proposal for topics in Auditor Conference 2013. Motion seconded. Motion
passed.
23.0
AUDITOR EXPECTATIONS – OPEN
Muriel Auzanne made a motion to communicate that auditors shall not judge adequacy of root
cause investigation. They shall assess compliance to the corrective action process to prevent
reoccurrence. Motion seconded. Motion passed.
ACTION ITEM: Communication to be conducted during the October 2012 auditor conference. Added to the
2012 MTL Auditor conference agenda (DUE DATE: 22-OCT-12)
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24.0
ADDITIONAL WORK ON HANDBOOK, RR/PT, OR AUDITOR TRAINING – OPEN
See section 18
25.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
25.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
25.2
Introductions– All in attendance were asked to state your name, company and voting status
25.3
Code of Ethics/Anti-Trust was reviewed with the attendees.
26.0
FINALIZE OCTOBER 2012 MEETING AGENDA – OPEN
Revise audit handbook
Convene Auditor Conference
Define and approve a process for RR/PT program approval
Work compliance plan for NOP-002 3.3
Conclude the auditor hiring a-frm-04 form/process improvement
Report from supplier attendance at Auditor Conference
Proposed Agenda October 2012
MTLAgenda2012Pitts
burgh_Rev0.pdf
27.0
MTL PROGRAM STATUS – NMC METRICS – OPEN
The NMC metrics were presented by Kevin Wetzel and reviewed by the Task Group
May2012NadcapTask
Copy of nmc metrics
GroupMetricsSummary5Jun12.doc
Materials Testing 053112.xlsx
NMC goal for a MTL audit is 52 days from time the audit is completed to the cert issued.
28.0
NEW BUSINESS / RAIL / MEETING FEEDBACK – OPEN
RAIL items were reviewed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel set-up a conference call (with Lennert, Rossi, Berger) to address RAIL Row
#297. (DUE DATE: 20-OCT-12)
ACTION ITEM: In response to RAIL row #299, Ed Spanknoble to send Frank Lennert his flowed down
requirement from Boeing for fastener specific requirements and copy Tim Myers & Kevin Wetzel (DUE
DATE: 27-JUL-12)
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to add to Oct 2012 agenda 30 minutes for Julian Corato presentation of AGS
PT 3 year program offerings. (In response to RAIL Row #301) (DUE DATE: 01-AUG-12)
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ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to ask Heat Treat TG if AC7101/4 table is needed. This is repeated in /1
checklist (In response to RAIL row # 369). (DUE DATE: 01-AUG-12)
29.0
MEETING SUMMARY – OPEN
There was a last minute addition to the agenda:
An Auditor currently on an audit had questions concerning requirements for IRR
First Question concerned IRR for every operator/every two years. The supplier has three separate
department conducting hardness testing. What is the expectation of the Task Group for every
operator when it spans multiple departments?
TG reply: If they are really separate departments (independent) the consensus of the TG - they do
not need to include all in one IRR but each department would need to conduct IRR for each
operator of that department. But if the labs would use each department as a back up when
equipment is down, then a comparison is needed of all is required.
Second question. IRR application in case of multiple operators/test machines
TG Reply: The guidance missing is that “multiple operators and multiple machines require IRR for
equipment AND operators”. It is required to conduct IRR between operators – when multiple
operators are approved for the given test method. It is required to conduct IRR between machines
when multiple machines are used for a given test method.
Meeting Feedback - General comments
The agenda format was reviewed. New agenda format is great. The level of detail is a great
improvement. Organization was key.
The meeting room set up was also discussed the arrangement of chairs, tables and screen to allow
people to see each other, see the projector, increased work space, microphone added for easier
listening.
30.0
OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED
30.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance for the “Closed” portion
30.2
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct was reviewed with the attendees
31.0
DID THE MEETING ACCOMPLISH SUBSCRIBERS NEEDS – CLOSED
Subscribers commented Yes the meeting accomplished their needs.
32.0
MTL LEADERSHIP WRAPUP – CLOSED
Closing comments.
ADJOURNMENT – 28-Jun-12 – Meeting was adjourned at 4:40 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Amanda Rickman, Amanda.Rickman@raytheon.com
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MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
JUNE 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
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Due date: