MODAC MEMBERSHIP MEETING
DECEMBER 4, 2008
DELTA COLLEGE
Attending
Alan Yeck
Judy Miller
Ginny Przygocki
Tom Oldfield
Jim Lorenson
Fiona Hert
Jim Taylor
Chuck Parker
Kathy Marsh
Dean Souden
Roberta Peterson
Joe Petrosky
Bay College
Delta College
Delta College
Ferris State Univ
Gogebic CC
Grand Rapids CC
Kalamazoo Valley
CC
Kellogg CC
Kirtland CC
Lake Michigan C
Lansing CC
Macomb CC
Stephen Eaton
Mid-Michigan CC
Patty Cantu
Dan Woodward
Dianne Duthie
Jim Folkening
Paul Knollman
Rob Spohr
Robert Loth
MDE
Mich. DLEG - OPS
Mich. DLEG
Mich. DLEG - OPS
Monroe County CC
Montcalm CC
Mott CC
Bob Ferrentino
Phil Hale
Denise McNeil
Tom Buszek
Rosemary
Wilson
Frank Romba
Muskegon CC
Oakland CC
St. Clair County CC
Southwestern Mich. C
Washtenaw CC
Wayne County CCD
Call to Order: The Michigan Occupational Deans Administrative Council membership
meeting was called to order at 1:00 p.m. at Delta College by Chuck Parker, president.
Judy Miller and Ginny Przygocki welcomed the members to Delta and covered some
business functions such as dinner plans and hotel accommodations. She shared with us
the facts that most of our gifts for the day were made of recycled material.
Introductions: Those present for the meeting introduced themselves and stated the
organization they represented.
Officers’ Reports
President- Chuck Parker
Partnership Agreement for Construction Technology (PACT) – there seems to be
movement on individual college agreements taking place. Nothing is being done on a
statewide basis. Chuck shared that at Kellogg they have developed an associate
degree for articulating the credits from the trade unions; an Associate in Applied Science
in Skilled Trades. Mike Hanson will be here tomorrow and willing to discuss a statewide
initiative. There were several colleges that identified themselves as interested (Macolm,
GRCC, Delta, SWM, Oakland CC, and Kellogg)
Michigan Career Conference – Chuck Parker and Jim Taylor have volunteered to
present a session at the conference on what we are doing at community college. If you
are going to be at the conference and have something going on at your college that you
want to present to the secondary schools, please let Chuck and Jim know.
Tech Prep data – if you are interested in this topic send Chuck an email and he will send
you a summary of the information he has collected by attending various meeting on
Tech Prep data.
Chuck reported on a recent MCCA sponsored conference call related to
Entrepreneurship. His shared that there seems to be two difference tracks that the
group were divided into.
Conversation with MACET (Michigan Association for
Continuing Education and Training) indicating one is “just-in-time” training, the other is
“just-in-case” traditional/curriculum approach. There doesn’t seem to be enough
interest/need to share curriculum. The traditional approach included embedding
entrepreneurship topics into existing programs/course.
Vice President—Jim Taylor
Jim continued the discussion about MACET and the Entrepreneurship initiative. One
item that surfaced in the conference call was MACET’s interest in a partnership in the
TRENDS conference, which didn’t seem to continue once the issue was discussed.
Another item was collaboration with the credit and non-credit departments at community
colleges. Nothing definitive was determined
At last Augusts meeting we had identified 5 focus topics – Jim was working on the
baccalaureate degree. Mike Hanson will be here tomorrow to discuss this issue further.
Secretary—Kathy Marsh
Minutes are posted on the web site
Treasurer—Bob Marsh (presented by Chuck Parker in Bob’s absence)
The current balance is 29,257.70 as of 12/2/2008 with the following breakdown:
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Checking – $1,934.32
Savings – $11,586.96
CD – $15,736.42
Everything is about normal; most dues for this year have been paid and so far the
reduced amount hasn’t bankrupted us. Bob is currently in contact with GRCC to get the
Trends expenses and revenues closed out. For those that have subscription to
Community College Enterprise that may have received notice of cancellation, the
subscription will be paid soon.
Past President— Bob Ferrentino
No Report
At Large Delegates - Rosemary Wilson and Bill Barber
No Report
Other Reports
MCCDEC (Michigan Community College Data Evaluation Committee) — Leslie
Kellogg and Bob Marsh
In Leslie and Bob’s absence Jim Folkening gave the report.
We had met all the state target values. The group talked about the 1P1 indicator data,
Ronda has some data from other states on certifications/licensure. There is a problem
with CIP codes and the how they are grouped and how they align with the certification.
Jim reiterated that the “devil is in the details” and that is what the group is dealing with.
January 23rd next meeting
Regarding the Programs of Study initiative we need a new strategies; look at what some
colleges are trying to do on their own; standards and how to link to what the secondary
schools are doing.
The group discussed the need to update the reporting taxonomy (60+ reports – not all to
the state, some are to the feds). They are trying to be consistent with data definitions
with all the reports. May not be as much duplication in reporting as it appears if the
definitions are clarified.
The group also discussed on how to improve communication with all colleges on
MCCDEC activities. The role of MCCDEC is that of an advisory group to DLEG. May
need to look at the possibility of starting a new associations for data research personnel;
something different from Mi-AIR (includes four year colleges and private colleges) and
MCCADAR (not met for 3-4 years).
MLAD (Michigan Liberal Arts Deans)—Denise McNeil
Tomorrow is our joint meeting. Last met in conjunction with TRENDS (Friday afternoon);
the group is looking at mission./vision. Trying to assure there is representation from all
colleges. The LAND conference this year is Feb 20, 21st at Port Huron (SC4).
MOSPA (Michigan Occupational Special Populations Association) —Dan
Woodward
Registration for Spring Conference in May is now electronic. There are two MOSPA
Awards that they are currently taking nomination for; a professional and a student award.
There will be two keynote speakers at the conference, one from secondary and one from
post-secondary.
MACET – Chuck Parker
Tomorrow’s Fall Drive-In conference was canceled.
scheduled for March 20, 2009.
Next drive-in conference is
TRENDS—Fiona Hurt & Sue DeCamillis
See later discussion
MCCETI (Michigan Community College Emerging Technologies Initiative) — no
representative
Last meeting we identified a couple of individual that might be interested in taking on the
leadership of that group. It is not a MODAC initiative and the agenda item will be
dropped on next agenda. A comment was made that the initiative never had context.
CECR (Career Education Consumer Report) – Chuck Parker and Leslie Kellogg
The Reporting Cycle subgroup met in September. The group is proposing an annual
reporting cycle, as opposed to on-going reporting. New programs could happen at any
time a college has a new program, however, updates should have an annual due date –
December was proposed, when all updates need to be entered so the web site can be
updated in January.
MDE – OCTE (Michigan Department of Education – Office of Career and Tech Ed)
Patty Cantu reported on current activities of OCTE. There’s a lot of thing changing and
it’s so important that we maintain a constant communication. CTE students are going to
be looking different, all CTE programs (53) now have standards. These standards
should make articulation and alignment easier with our programs. Standards were
created with community college faculty input; now looking at assessment and will be
asking again for faculty input on their advisory committee. Let Patty now if you have
faculty that would be interested in getting involved. There are 16 advisory groups and
movement is slow because they can’t use third party assessment because students
aren’t at that level.
Dr. Jean Goodnow, President of Delta College, welcomed the group and
reemphasized the importance of sharing information.
MDLEG - OPS (Michigan Department of Labor and Economic Growth – Office of
Post-secondary Services) Report
Dan Woodward indicated that compliance visits are coming up. Draft agenda can be
modified by must be shared with their office
Final reports are done,
Allocations have been sent out and if modifications need to be done to your budget –
just contact Dan.
Dianne Duthie was introduced and thanked the group for being invited. DLEG has been
reorganized. The Bureau of Workforce Transformation was formed in April. Two deputy
directors were named; one for employees and one for employers. The web site is
www.michigan.gov/bwt
We are currently faced with 1.7 million people in Michigan that are below college entry
level; do not have a high school diploma or GED. Emphasis will be on remediation of
our adult learners; the goal is to get 850,000 of that population trained. Need to develop
new ways to handle this vast endeavor and will be asking to restructure adult education.
Decision on TRENDS conference location for 2011 – Fiona Hert
Fiona gave us a quick review of the information that has been collected to help with the
decision about where to hold the TRENDS conference in the future. She shared the
feedback information that was collected at the Thursday lunch tables (not individuals) of
TRENDS and also the proposals from the Amway Grand and Grand Traverse resorts.
Currently we have a contract with the Amway Grand through 2010. She reviewed the
“needs” list for such a large conference.
The recommendation is to move the conference to Traverse City for three years. It was
also recognized that we need some consistency in the administration of the conference,
which is why the recommendation was for three years. The executive committee will
negotiation transition year either 2010 or 2011.
There was a question regarding if the Detroit area/southeastern Michigan area had been
considered. Members commended that there aren’t many facilities that could handle the
number of breakout session that TRENDS requires. In the past it was suggested that if
someone could identify such a facilities it would be considered. It was noted that the
one time we did have the conference at some place other than Traverse City or Grand
Rapids, at the Kellogg Center, we had the lowest attendance.
B. Ferrentino – moved that we accept the recommendation. R. Wilson seconded. It was
unanimously approved. Thank you to Fiona for all the work she has put into this issue.
Fiona thanked her committee members.
J. Folkening shared with the group a list of current sub-committee members and the
schools that they represent. Work on the subcommittees only requires two meetings
January 23rd and one in June. The January meeting the members look at proposals and
come up with a draft agenda. Sub-committee chairs work with other committee chairs to
coordinate the program offerings.
BREAK
1P1 Q&A: Open time for questions on 1P1 – Judy Miller
Judy indicated that her faculty have reviewed the NOCTI test and it won’t work for their
accounting program so what are the possibilities of having their faculty write an exam?
She asked about what are other colleges doing. J. Folkening indicated that we have 300
occupations to find assessment for. With all the logistics involved we are taking it slow
and steady in trying to administer the 1P1 requirement. We are still negotiating with the
feds on the requirements, and that is the reason why the people in CCSU are not
pushing hard to not get ahead of ourselves.
The group supported that faculty should collaborate with their colleagues at other
colleges to work on common assessment instruments for benchmarking for accreditation
requirements.
Several members expressed their concern that we are going to get into a crunch
situation near the end of the grant and we as a state will not be ready for the collection of
the data needed. We are not a “state” system such as North Carolina, which makes our
task more difficult. Jim Folkening and Dan Woodward will try to put together a small
group of interested colleges to work on a new approach to putting together the
assessment required for 1P1 on a couple of pilot programs.
The next West-Edge report is due out in January and can be found at the
www.michigancc.net/resources/misc/ web site.
Someone asked if we can use Perkins dollars to pay for exam costs that aren’t required
for employement. Yes! If the exam is required for the institution then the institution will
carry the burden.
Hot Topics – A time to ask questions of fellow MODAC members
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Higher Education Act Reauthorization – Leslie Kellogg send a handout about
IPEDS data for our information. Chuck also provided a handout that contained a
cut/paste from the original Act about issues that concerned him, such as the
ability to authenticate online students. It was also pointed out that colleges must
publish textbook list with ISBN number on their web site.
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New Jobs Training Program – Mike Hanson will be here tomorrow to talk about
this. Where are schools at? J. Lorenson said the presidents are in a wait and
see mode to see what comes out of the legislature.
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“Achieving the Dream” – J. Folkening shared data from ACS report.
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Grade Book issue – J. Taylor asked about record retention? Some feedback
from the group indicated that ifyou collect it electronically you can keep it forever.
Some schools that have written policies on appeal process that is limited to one
year destroy grade books after that year.
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Open resources/online textbook – is anyone doing anything about this? Not
much response. Delta is going to start a textbook rental system. Some use of
customized textbooks are combating the increasing cost of publisher bought
textbooks.
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Ethics –
Question was asked about finding qualified faculty to teach
occupational ethics courses. Most colleges teach a general ethics course.
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Interior Design – how many schools have agreements with four year schools for
their program? Kendle will accept courses but not full articulation. Possibly LTU.
CCS might be another possibility. Ferris Tech degree.
Meeting was adjourned at 4:03 p.m.
Future MODAC Meetings
April 2 & 3, 2009 – Henry Ford Community College (focus topic – 1P1 and Program
Assessment)
June 4 & 5, 2009 – Southwest Michigan College (focus topic – Program Review)
August 6 & 7, 2009 – need a volunteer from a northern college (focus topic –
Green Jobs initiative)