CITY OF BUENA VISTA SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING JANURY 24, 2013 The City Council for the City of Buena Vista met for a Special Council Meeting on Thursday, January 24, 2013, at 6:00 p.m. in Council Chambers (2039 Sycamore Avenue). Council Members Present: Melvin Henson Jane Armstrong Vice-Mayor Larry Tolley Mayor Frankie Hogan Lewis Plogger Lisa Clark Member Absent: Steve Baldridge Mayor Hogan opened the meeting by requesting that everyone stand and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance. Vice-Mayor Larry Tolley delivered the opening prayer. PUBLIC HEARING: The City of Buena Vista and the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) will hold a joint public hearing on January 24, 2013, Buena Vista City Council Chambers, 2039 Sycamore Avenue, Buena Vista, Virginia, beginning at 6:00 p.m. or shortly thereafter, to receive public comments on revisions and additions for Buena Vista City’s proposed Six Year Improvement Plan for Fiscal Years 2014 through 2019. Mr. Mike Branscome, District Program Manager, from VDOT opened the discussion by explaining that all the money that the City has in their project at this time is Federal dollars. The money is 80% Federal, 20% State match, and the City’s 2% match. The dollars are limited as to where they can be spent on Federally eligible routes within the City. All of the routes listed in these projects are Federally eligible. He said that if you do paving work, you basically have to re-construction paving. He also advised that you have to have an environmental document with each project. Mr. Branscome presented the following list of SYP Priorities for the City of Buena Vista: CITY OF BUENA VISTA SYP PRIORITIES FY 14-19 Install Traffic Signal At 10th Street – Completed 11/6/12 – Total Estimate $219,617 2.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvements Along Ridge Avenue and Route 60 – Existing Project with revised scope – Fully funded – Total Estimate $650,000 Mr. Branscome said that this project is part of the old project for the Eastern part of Route 60 out near Ridge Avenue. Mr. Scudder opined that the section of the old project was in an area that did not have a lot of development. Mr. Branscome informed everyone that this plan calls for intersection improvements, ADA access, and curb and guttering. Sidewalks will be added to one side of Ridge Avenue from the intersection at Route 60 up to Maple Avenue. 3.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvement along 10th Street – New Project – Fully funded – Total Estimate $270,000 This project will be from the intersection at 10th and Magnolia to the first entrance to Glen Maury Park. Sidewalks will be added to the side of the street that does not have them at this time. 4.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvements along Magnolia Avenue – 17th Street to 18th Street - New Project – Fully funded – Total Estimate $105,000 Mr. Branscome advised that sidewalks will be added to this section of the street and that curb and gutter is already installed. ADA ramps will also be added. 5.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvements along Magnolia Avenue – 24th Street to 25th Street – New Project – Fully Funded – Total Estimate $105,000 Mr. Branscome said that sidewalks and ADA ramps will also be added to this street. 6.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvements At Spot Locations Along Magnolia Avenue – 10th Street to Dickinson Drive – New Project – Fully funded – Total Estimate $225,000 Mr. Branscome advised that this is a spot improvement project. He stated that there will be places in the sidewalk that will be fixed for handicap ramps and bring that section up to ADA standards. Both sides of the street in this section will be repaired. 7.) Pedestrian and ADA Access Improvements Along Route 60 (29 th Street) – New Project – Partially funded – Total Estimate $521,966 Mr. Branscome said that originally this project was much larger. It started out from Brook Street to close to the Robey Bridge. He advised that the City limits actually end about half way up the hill before you get to the Robey Bridge. He pointed out that the City limits on the left hand side of the road goes all the way up to the Food Lion Shopping Center but the property on the right hand side of the road belongs to Rockbridge County. He said that this would be another planned project because of the involvement of 1.) utilities and right of way issues. He said that any monies left over from the above projects can be used to fund this project. Mayor Hogan then wanted to know if Mr. Branscome anticipated having to buy a right of way on the left hand side of the Ridge Avenue project. Mr. Branscome said that at this time he does not have any idea since he does not know what the existing right of way is. However, he does not expect a lot if there is an existing right of way there. He said that we would basically be adding a curb and gutter and sidewalk in that area. Depending on the construction limits you would buy a fee right of way to cover at least the sidewalk. He opined that there is enough space to install curb and gutter and sidewalk on the left hand side of the road. After further discussion concerning the amount of monies available and incorporating repairs on sidewalks from 19th to 22nd street, Mayor Hogan wanted to know the time line for these projects. Mr. Branscome advised that a Resolution is needed to adopt the plan as it has been presented. There should be a hearing in April for the draft plan and the final approval in June. The plan would go into effect July 1, 2013. Vice-Mayor Tolley stated that if the City does not act, we will loose the funds. Mayor Hogan said that Council adopted a Resolution on December 20 and wanted to know if we need another one. Mr. Branscome said that we do need to adopt another Resolution in case there was any public input tonight and if anything needed to be changed in the plan. Mayor Hogan closed the Public Hearing. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Council Member Lisa Clark motioned to approve the minutes of the Regular Council Meeting held on December 20, 2012, seconded by Councilman Melvin Henson, carried by Council. RECOGNITION/COMMUNICATION FROM VISITORS: Citizens who desire to speak on matters not listed on the agenda will be heard at this time. Citizens who desire to speak on the Agenda will be heard when the agenda item is considered. Mrs. Peggy McCaulley, 150 Vista Links, Buena Vista was the first person to speak. Mrs. McCaulley reminded everyone that at the December 13, 2012, Council meeting, she requested that Council release the insurance money received for the pavilion at Vista Links to the Vista Links Ladies Golf Association so they could begin to construct the replacement pavilion. She also requested at that time if citizens could get together and raise the balance of the funds to have the replacement pavilion built. Mrs. McCaulley advised that she had posted a sign up sheet at the Pro Shop and left it there for 10 days. She said that they have collected 41 signatures stating that both citizens of Buena Vista and Rockbridge County are willing to help support financially and/or in kind improvements to the GMP/Vista Links Golf Course. She advised that the reason GMP was included was at the time the City had indicated they were going to try to receive grant money to make improvements at GMP. She said that everyone who signed the list will be advised that only the pavilion at Vista Links will be worked on. Mr. Scudder has advised Mrs. McCaulley that the amount of the check from the insurance company is $14,778.00. She advised that Spencer’s has presented an estimate of $20,000.00 on the material only for an enclosed pavilion and $15,500.00 for the roof only on an open pavilion. She is confident that they can raise $1,000.00 to at least put the roof on the open pavilion. She proposed that the Ladies Golf Association spend the next 3 months trying to raise the funds to erect the enclosed pavilion. Some of the ideas they have to raise the funds will be to put a jar at the Pro Shop for donations and to also have a golf tournament if the City will allow them to keep the proceeds from the tournament. They have also considered teaming up with the Lion’s Club to raise money. She first wanted to know if Council has any objections to their ideas and if Council would release the insurance money to them. Councilman Plogger stated that he does not have any problem releasing the insurance money to the Association. However, he would like to see an enclosed pavilion erected on the golf course because he feels that it would attract more people and more tournaments. Vice-Mayor Tolley opined that if you would research the history of GMP, you will find that the park was mostly built with volunteer help and he does not have a problem releasing the insurance money to the Association. Councilman Henson said that if the pavilion was enclosed, it could be used for other functions as well. Council Member Clark opined that an enclosed pavilion will be an asset to the City. Mr. Brian Brown, Director of Economic Development, reminded everyone that with a building of that size, adequate drawings must be submitted for approval. Vice-Mayor Tolley suggested that this item be put on the agenda for approval at the second scheduled Council meeting in February. At that time, he would like to make sure that we have all of the liability issues addressed. Council Member Clark suggested that at the second meeting in February, Mrs. McCaulley come back to Council with the drawings of the pavilion and a written estimate of the total cost of the project. She also suggested that Mrs. McCaulley and her group continue with their fund raising efforts. REPORTS: Mayor: None. City Manager: Mr. Scudder advised that Ms. Jean Clark with the Rockbridge Regional Tourism Office delivered new brochures and that the brochures are very well done. Mr. Scudder said that Mr. Brown wanted him to remind Council about the partnership between DSLCC and Averett University to earn an Averett University bachelors administration degree. This is going to be a distance learning program and they will be hosting an information session with representatives from Averett on Thursday, February 7, 2013, from 7 to 8 p.m. at DSLCC. Mr. Scudder said that Councilman Henson reminded him of the new storm water regulations and what some of the cities in Virginia are doing to create fees for funding storm water requirements. Mr. Scudder advised that Tim Dudley and Brian Brown have done some comparisons concerning the increase in the meals/lodging tax. He said it looks like the 2% increase is generating an additional increase of revenues between $1,500.00 to $2,000.00 per month. Mr. Scudder then addressed some of the improvements that are being done at GMP. He said that he has pictures of the before and after of the bath facilities and the paving that has taken place at GMP. He opined that the work being done to the old campsites will really be a marked improvement for the park. Mr. Scudder advised that he received an email from Robin Sullinberger of the Shendoah Valley Economic Development Partnership extending an invitation for the initial meeting of an organization called Blue Print Virginia and Economic Development Initiative of the Virginia Chamber of Commerce. He advised that this is a high priority at the State level and we have been chosen to host the first of several regional meetings to begin the process. The first meeting will be held at the Harrisonburg/Rockingham Chamber on February 7, 2013, from 7:30 to 9:30 a.m. City Attorney: None. COMMITTEE REPORTS: Councilman Henson reported that he had the opportunity to attend the last Mayors/Chair breakfast where the 911 Center, the regional jail, and tourism were discussed. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES: VARIOUS BOARDS, None. OLD BUSINESS: Second reading of the amended Noise Ordinance: Motion was made by Vice-Mayor Tolley, seconded by Council Member Clark, carried by Council, for Clerk of Council Dawn Moore to read the following Ordinance by title only: ORDINANCE AMENDING AND REPLACING THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF BUENA VISTA WHEREAS, Council for the City of Buena Vista has determined that the attached modifications to Chapter 14 of the Code of Buena Vista enhances the protection, health, welfare and peace of the citizens. NOW THEREFORE BE IT ORDAINED for the Council for the City of Buena Vista that the attached Chapter 14 of the Code of Buena Vista entitled “Noise” shall entirely replace the current Chapter 14. BE IT FURTHER ORDAINED that this Ordinance shall effective thirty (30) days from the date of adoption. ___________________________ Lawrence Franklin Hogan, Mayor Attest: __________________________ Clerk of the Council __________________________ Date of Adoption Motion was made by Vice-Mayor Tolley, seconded by Councilman Plogger for the approval of the amended Noise Ordinance. Clerk of Council, Dawn Moore, polled Council as follows for the approval of the amended Noise Ordinance: Present Absent Yes Mayor Frankie Hogan X X Lisa Clark X X Jane Armstrong X X Melvin Henson X X No Abstain Steve Baldridge X Lewis Plogger X X Vice-Mayor Larry Tolley X X NEW BUSINESS: Reading and presentation of a Proclamation honoring the SVU’s Women’s Cross Country Team: Clerk of Council, Dawn Moore, read the following Proclamation: PROCLAMATION WHEREAS, the “SOUTHERN VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY WOMEN’S CROSS COUNTRY TEAM” repeated as United States Collegiate Athletic Association national champions in Lake Placid, New York; and WHEREAS, the “SOUTHERN VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY WOMEN’S CROSS COUNTRY TEAM” under the direction of Head Coach Logan Davis and Assistant Coach Jeremiah John has now captured 11 USCAA national titles over the past 15 years; and WHEREAS, the “SOUTHERN VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY WOMEN’S CROSS COUNTRY TEAM” consists of 1 USCAA All-American First Team member, 3 Capital Athletic Conference All Conference Second Team members, and 3 USCAA All-Academic Team members. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED, on this date, January 17, 2013, by the Mayor of the City of Buena Vista, Virginia, that the “SOUTHERN VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY WOMEN’S CROSS COUNTRY TEAM” and their coaches be honored by the City of Buena Vista, Virginia for all their accomplishments. _________________________ Lawrence F. Hogan, Mayor City of Buena Vista, Virginia Mayor Hogan presented the Proclamation to Coach Jeremiah John and members of the SVU Women’s Cross Country Team. Reading and adoption of a Resolution honoring the City’s Constitutional Officers: Clerk of Council, Dawn Moore, read the following Resolution: RESOLUTION DESIGNATING JANUARY 21 – 25, 2013 AS CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER WEEK IN BUENA VISTA, VIRGINIA WHEREAS, Article VII, Section 1, of the Virginia Constitution provides for the direct election of local officials charged with the critically important duties of maintenance of public records, operation of the Circuit Courts, prosecution of criminals, protection of public safety, and the administration and collection of local revenues; and, WHEREAS, the Clerk of the Circuit Court, Commissioner of the Revenue, Commonwealth’s Attorney, Sheriff and Treasurer for the City of Buena Vista continue a tradition of local administration of government functions that predates the American Revolution; and, WHEREAS, these Constitutional Officers, their deputies and employees who serve in their offices provide the people of the City of Buena Vista with a direct link to their government at the local level, unfiltered by bureaucracy and responsive to citizen’s needs; and, WHEREAS, the Constitutional Officers embody Thomas Jefferson’s ideal form of representative democracy which provides for direct accountability to the people by virtue of the people’s right to vote for their Constitutional Officers; and, WHEREAS, the Constitutional Officers in the City of Buena Vista are setting new standards of customer service, innovative service delivery, and responsiveness that fellow officers and other public servants in the Commonwealth would do well to emulate: NOW, BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED, by the City Council of the City Of Buena Vista, Virginia does hereby designate the week of January 21 – 25, 2013 as Constitutional Officer Week in the City of Buena Vista to coincide with the Commonwealth’s designation of Constitutional Officer Week in Virginia. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the City Council of the City of Buena Vista urges our citizens to familiarize themselves with the services provided by their Constitutional Officers. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mayor Hogan will transmit copies of this Resolution to the Honorable Christopher W. Coleman, the Honorable Mar Vita LeAnn Flint, the Honorable Christopher B. Russell, the Honorable Yolanda C. Boatwright, and the Honorable Willie R. “Randy” Hamilton with the appreciation and respect of the City Council for their service to the citizens of the City of Buena Vista. _________________________ Lawrence F. Hogan, Mayor ATTEST:_________________________ Clerk of Council DATE OF ADOPTION: ________________ Mayor Hogan presented the Resolution to the Constitutional Officers for the City of Buena Vista. Reading and presentation of a Certificate of Appreciation for the Park Commission members: Clerk of Council, Dawn Moore, read the following Certificate of Appreciation: CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION This certificate is awarded to (Park Commission member) in recognition of valuable contributions to the Buena Vista Park Commission. _____________________ Lawrence F. Hogan, Mayor ATTEST:_________________________ Clerk of Council Mayor Hogan presented the certificates to the members of the Park Commission. Mr. Brian Brown thanked everyone for their hard work and dedication. Discuss and approve a list of VDOT priorities for fiscal years 2014 through 2019: City Attorney Brian Kearney advised that a Resolution of approval will be ready for the next Council meeting on February 7, 2013. Presentation of final budget figures for FY2011-2012 by Robinson, Farmer, Cox: Finance Director Tim Dudley advised that Mr. James Kelly and Ms. Sadie Begoon from Robinson, Farmer, Cox would present a short overview of the FY2011-2012 budget. Ms. Begoon was the first to address Council. She pointed out the following: 1.) Page 8 – Independent Auditor’s Report – RFC issued an unqualified opinion, the highest opinion that RFC offers. 2.) Page 10–18 – Management’s Discussion and Analysis – This document is prepared by the City’s management. This document is a good executive summary of the entire report. 3.) Page 24 – Governmental Financial Statements – Exhibit 1 and 2 – These financial statements are on the full accrual basis of the City. The City ended the year with net assets of around $11,000,000.00, of which $2,800,000.00 was unrestricted. 4.) Page 30 – Fund Financial Statements -Exhibit 3 – These statements are presented on the modified accrual basis of the City. At the end of the year the City had cash investments of $1,600,000.00, ending fund balance of approximately $1,800,000.00, of that, about $1,000,000.00 was unassigned. The general fund balance came out to about 10% of the general fund expenditures for the year. 5.) Page 32 – Statement of Revenues, Expenditures, and Changes in Fund Balances – Exhibit 5 – There was a net change in the fund balance, a decrease of $167,000.00. 6.) Page 34 – Statement of Fund Net Assets – Exhibit 7– These statements cover the water/sewer fund and the golf course. The proprietary funds ended the year with net assets of $1,600,000.00, of which $1,200,000.00 was unrestricted. Cash in investments were $1,300,000.00 . Exhibit 8 – Enterprise Funds - There is a change in that asset that decreases by $430,000.00. Some of this decrease is due to interest expense and the golf course loss. 7.) Page 38 – Notes to Financial Statements – These notes are an integral part of the report. 8.) Page 78 – Schedule of Pension Fund Progress – Exhibit 12 – This section covers the City’s required disclosures for VRS. At the end of June, 2011 the funded ratio was 76% which is common for localities around the State. 9.) Page 138 – Statistical Section – Table 10 - This section shows the financial data so that you are able to see how things have changed over the last 10 years. In 2012 tax levies and collection was 93% and has been fairly consistent over the last 10 years. Ms. Begoon stated that as part of our audit, RFC is required to assess the compliance of the City with State and Federal regulations. As part of the audit they conducted 3 full audits on Federal programs and found no non-compliances. Mr. James Kelley of RFC was next to address Council. He began his presentation by stating that he wanted to make Council aware of 2 substantial GASB announcements that are going into effect in 2015. These standards on Page 78, Exhibit 12, which shows the amount of funds that the City has with the VRS versus the liabilities the City would owe if they had to pay all of the retirement currently. The liability exceeds the assets by $3,700,000.00. In FY2015, unless there is a change in the standards, the $3,700,000.00 will be recorded as a liability on the City’s accrual basis financial statement. It will not affect the budgeting per say, but a lot of professionals are wondering how it will affect the bond ratings. The City has about $12,000,000.00 in net assets. If you take the $3,700,000.00 away from the $12,000,000.00 in net assets, you are down to about $8,000,000.00. There is concern that bond issuers will look at how that affects your bottom number on Exhibit 1 and 2 and maybe will increase our rate or not allow the City to borrow. This is just for the City alone. The schools which participate in a State wide teacher sharing pool will be much larger than $3,700,000.00. He said that he wanted to make sure that Council is aware of the financial situation it may face in a couple of years. Vice-Mayor Tolley wanted to know if this is an advantage to the State. Mr. Kelley answered by saying no it is not an advantage to the State. He said that it is his understanding that the State’s fund is about 70% also. He said that he feels that rates from VRS will increase again to get the percentage up closer to what it was in 2008/2009. Mr. Scudder requested that Mr. Kelley advise Council about the reality of the above transaction. Mr. Kelley said that he feels it will not affect anything except for the first 2 tables and some of the tables in the back of the financial report. He feels the only way he thinks it could affect some localities will be with bond ratings. Mr. Scudder stated that it is not reality that the City would have to fully fund VRS. Mr. Kelley replied by saying that the $3,700,000.00 is what the City would owe today to anyone who is eligible to participate in VRS. Mr. Scudder said that everyone is in the same boat. He said that as far as localities go, the City is funding 76% and that it is pretty good for localities in the State. He stated that the City is current with the norm, if not above the curve for the State of Virginia. Mr. Tim Dudley, Finance Director, was next to approach Council. He started his presentation by speaking about the General Fund. He said that the General Fund’s fund balance decreased by $123,000.00 due to expenditures and transfers that exceeds revenues. He pointed out that some of the major areas are as follows: 1.) Regional Jail - $65,000.00 over 2.) Tax relief for the elderly - $24,000.00 over 3.) Parks/Rec transfer from the general fund - $108,000.00 over 4.) Golf Course - $35,000.00 over 5.) Flood Protection transfer - $56,000.00 over 6.) E911 - $18,000.00 over Just in those areas accounts for $306,000.00 of expenditures over revenues. He explained that the good thing about looking at those figures is that they are for FY2012 and that for FY2013 Council went a long ways to fully fund the above areas. The Regional Jail went from $190,000.00 to $294,000.00; E911 went from $162,000.00 to $208,000.00; Park/Rec increased about $60,000.00 over FY2012. He explained if you look at just the areas and can control the expenditures for FY2013 and the actual general fund revenues coming in, the City should have a decent fund balance for FY2013. Mr. Scudder thanked Staff, Tim, Alisa, and Council for the budget process for last year. There was a lot of transition and a lot of thing affected the close out budget for FY2012. He opined that everyone did a lot better job of budgeting for FY2012 and a lot of the problems in past budgets have been corrected. He went on to explain why the City Manager’s budget is over. Mr. Scudder said that the budget was over due to 3 personnel changes in the City Manager’s Office during FY2012. The overage was not due to inappropriate spending, just transitional. Councilman Plogger wanted to know the amount of money that was taken from the fund balance at the end of FY2012 to balance the budget. Mr. Dudley advised that the City ended up $1,028,000.00 in the fund balance at the end of FY2012 which reflects the decrease of $123,000.00 taken to balance the budget. Councilman Plogger then wanted to know how the Departments within the City finished with their budgets for FY2012. Mr. Dudley explained that some of the Departments finished good and some not so good. He went on to say that some Departments had larger deficits than others, such as the Police Department. However, you must look at the grants received by the Police Department, the police cars that were sold, and forfeiture assets. These are items that the City actually received revenues from and spent actual expenditures so a budget amendment had to be done. Mr. Dudley opined that it makes the Department budget look worse than it actually is. Mr. Dudley said that for FY2013 he needs to make sure we have all of the grants, all the sales of equipment, anything that produces revenues are reported so that a budget amendment can be done. He went on to say that there are other areas that will have to be looked at closely in FY2013 such as computer maintenance. He said that we are trying to budget more accurately for computer maintenance by trying to distribute the cost to the correct Department. Some Departments do not have a computer maintenance budget so if computer maintenance is needed for that Department, the funds have to come out of the general fund. Councilman Plogger then wanted to know why this type of budgeting has not been done all along. Mr. Dudley replied that he has not been doing the budget that way and will do a better job in FY2013. Councilman Plogger then stated that he is familiar with the Police Department budget and where it looks like they were $60,000.00 in the red, after adding back all of the grants and other revenues, they were actually around $3,000.00 in the red. Mr. Scudder stated that we are all looking at things to do a better job next year by building a more accurate budget. He went on to say that Richmond has looked at what the City has done in the past year and he has received very positive comments. He also said that he is very proud of our staff. Vice-Mayor Tolley opined that we need to measure ourselves by our budget. Chief Slagle then passed out a sheet explaining the Police Department’s budget for FY2012. Mr. Dudley then explained that the $1,028,000.00 unassigned fund balance is very important to everyone. He said that it sounds like a lot but when it comes to the general fund balance, it is really not. He said that it is about 10% and it needs to be about 20%. The general fund balance subdizes the general fund revenues and for a period of time from July through the end of October or November, our expenditures exceeds our revenues. During that time frame, the general fund balance has to make up the difference. Our general fund balance is not enough to make up the difference in that time frame. In the last few years we have been using the fund from the water/sewer general funds. He opined that it is only a matter of time before those funds will be gone. If the water/sewer general fund balance is gone, we will not be able to make it on our own. Mr. Dudley said that the lowest we should let our general fund get is about $1,028,000.00. Vice-Mayor Tolley stated that in 2008 the fund balance was around $3,000,000.00. Mr. Dudley explained that the City got that fund balance by budgeting accurately and that the fund balance should be around $3,000,000.00 today. He went on to state that if the fund balance were that high, we could pay cash for such things as police cars, etc. Council Member Clark then asked Mr. Dudley if payments that the City has to make are structured around the reimbursements that the City receives from the State and Federal government. Mr. Dudley answered by saying that the payments are not necessarily structured around receiving reimbursements from the government. He stated that is why it is very important to have a sizable general fund balance. Councilman Plogger then addressed comp time versus being paid overtime. He wanted to know if every employee in the City now receives overtime pay in place of comp time. Mr. Scudder said that he could not speak for the Constitutional Officers but nonexempt employees are now being paid overtime in dollars, not comp time. He said that for the most part everyone is being paid in dollars, not comp time. Councilman Plogger said that he understands that is how you get true budgeting. The problem that he has in the FY2012 budget is paying overtime in dollars did not start until the FY2012 budget had been passed. Mr. Scudder explained that it is his feelings that the only way you can see the true cost of what a Department is doing. He also opined that problem with comp time versus paying overtime in dollars, is when a person takes comp time off, it affects the entire Department by being short handed with personnel. Councilman Plogger stated that he is ok with paying overtime in dollars if the Department has the money to do so. Mayor Hogan said that there were 3 City employees that had a tremendous amount of comp time and wanted to know if the comp time has been worked off. He would like to see a report on how much comp time the 3 employees still have. Mr. Brown advised that one of his employees took 1 day off each week all year to deplete his comp time. Mayor Hogan opined that if the City expects employees to get their comp time down, then Department heads need to get their comp time down also. Motion was made by Councilman Plogger to adjourn the special Council meeting, seconded by Councilman Henson, carried by Council. ADJOURNMENT: There being no further business, Mayor Hogan adjourned the meeting. _____________________________ Lawrence F. Hogan, Mayor __________________________ Dawn W. Moore, Clerk of Council