M AGA Z I N E o f t h e 5 R A R A S S O C I AT I O N
ISSUE No: 2
D EC EM B ER
2 0 0 2
“for all those who served, suffered and died”
Inside This Issue
5 RAR Members Photos
V i etn a m F orc es Memori a l Re-D ed i c a ti on
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Presi d en t’ s C hri stma s Messa g e
It was good to see so many
members of the Association in
Canberra in October for the
Vietnam Forces Memorial ReDedication Service weekend.
I counted some 150 members from
5 RAR, making ours the largest
contingent in a lengthy parade.
For our informal and hurriedly
arranged event, the response of the
Battalion was outstanding and it
was pleasing to meet so many
members and their wives at this
excellent B.B.Q. organized by the
ACT representatives under Barry
Morgan.
W A Rou n d u p
Greetings once again from the
“other side”. The WA Branch has
been reasonably active this year
with several social events and our
recent participation
in the
Vi et na m
V et er a ns
Commemorative Day Parade in
Mandurah on August 18th. This
day was organised by the
Mandurah Murray Vietnam
Veterans Group and it was an
outstanding success due to some
top class organization .
5RAR was very well represented
with a good roll up on the day.
Denis Rainer MC, in his official
capacity as President of the
Mandurah RSL, was the MC for
the service. Is there mixed
metaphors or something there?
Denis will be long remembered for
his distinctive rendition of
Advance Australia Fair. George
and Kay Bullock were also in the
thick of the organization. We were
most impressed with two young
cadets from the 504 Cadet Unit
who carried our banner. Brother
and sister team Katy and Zachary
Ballard were most impressive
young people.
In wishing all members and your
loved ones a “Happy Christmas”, I
want to take the opportunity to
remind everyone that our formal
five yearly Association reunion
will take place in March 2005,
over the period of the Battalion’s
Birthday (1st March ).
We want to make this a “BIG”
and memorable occasion and to
this end, I ask all to start planning
and saving for this event.
December 2002
To assist in your early planning,
you should consider a three day
stay in Eastern Australia, (not
Darwin as previously suggested).
The type of activities could
include a parade, wreath laying,
dedication service. A dinner for
members and wives, B.B.Q, race
meeting, boat cruise etc –please let
us know what “you” would like to
do.
Your national committee will give
you more details as we decide on
various activities and we would
welcome any input from members
on what we should do etc.
I hope you are all in the best
possible health.
We also had some welcome
visitors.
Neville and Sally
Smerdon who made the trip over
from Wagga Wagga. Ostensibly
for a family visit in Perth which
ended up in the action at
Mandurah. We all had a rip
roaring time at the Mandurah RSL
after the parade. During the
festivities, Dudley Fisher and Bob
Bunting presented an impressively
mounted SLR and Bayonet on
behalf of 5 Platoon (1st Tour) for
display in a prominent position in
the RSL. Bob had the job of
holding the SLR while Dudley
made an impassioned speech. Bob
stated that SLR's seemed to have
got a lot heavier since 1966/7.
Peter Tuck led his Challenge Brass
Band in a very well received
recital throughout the afternoon.
He was ably assisted by Jock
Bouse.
Guyatt, Graham and Barbara Ball,
David and Beryl Annells, Peter
Stone, Rodney Beauglehole,
Russell and Audrey Briggs,
Gordon and Sylvia Meredith,
Mike Browne, Kim Murphy,
Trevor Dunne, Bob Armitage,
John McShane, Bill Hunt, Laurie
Carroll, Peter Wardrope, Mal and
Mrs Saxby (my apologies for
mislaying your first name). I hope
I have included everyone. If I
haven’t my excuse is that the
amber fluid was well and truly
flowing. I thought that I would
include everyone who attended so
that we could keep the missing
persons department functioning.
Other Tigers and Tigresses who
attended on the day included WA
Rep Peter de Masson, Alan and
Marian McNulty, Ken and Thea
Benson, Bruce and Ina Prior, Doc
and Maureen Halliday, Terry and
Barbara Bates, Peter and Glenys
With Best Wishes
Colin Kahn DSO
On behalf of the WA branch of the
Association, we wish all our
members and partners the
compliments of the season and
good fortune in 2003.
Ken Benson
harbentk@iexpress.net.au
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S u p p orted T i me O u t T ri a l
A program to help Vietnam veterans facing family
breakdown was commenced on a six months trial basis
in June 2002.
The pilot project is part of the response to the
“Vietnam Veterans Health Study”. Under the project,
Vietnam veterans whose families are in imminent
danger of break up or domestic violence will be given
access to assistance services.
The program, with $1.78 million in Federal funding,
aims to provide supported “time out” for Vietnam
veterans and their family.
Supported time out may involve accessing short-term
accommodation and services provided by the Vietnam
Veterans Counseling Service (VVCS) as well as short
and longer term strategies such as the residential
lifestyle and coping skill programs.
VVCS and Veterans Line staff (after hours) will be the
only authorizing agencies to assess a veterans
eligibility for the program.
December 2002
f r o m V et a f f a ir s J une 2 0 0 2
WA…. Perth and Mandurah.
QLD.. South West Brisbane, Gold Coast, Southport,
and Townsville.
NSW...Sydney, Liverpool and Lismore.
ACT.. Canberra.
SA….. Adelaide.
NT….. Darwin and Alice Springs.
TAS….Hobart, Launceston, Burnie and Devonport.
VIC….Melbourne, Geelong and Sale.
A Crisis Assistance pamphlet has been developed
which provides information on referral sources for
veterans in a crisis situation. The Pamphlet will be
distributed widely to ex service organisations (ESO’s)
and will be available on the DVA website.
An information kit has also been developed and
distributed to all current TIP-trained Welfare/Pension
Officers by their State TIP Committee.
The pilot program will be run in the following areas of
each state:
For more information please contact your nearest
VVCS Office or Veterans Line by calling:
NSW
1800 043 503
Nth Qld
1800 091 332
Other Areas 1800 011 046
Proposed Reunion
“Yesterday is history”
Assault Pioneers 1st Tour
Sydney or Canberra October 2003
“T om orrow is a m ystery”
“T oday is a G if t”
Expressions of interest to:
Glen Smith 0414 776 278
Chris Kuchenmeister 08 8522 1946
Email: kitchy@ruralnet.com.au
T hat’ s w hy they c al l it the p resen t ! ! ! !
D on H arrod
“5RAR Association Home Page”
http://www.users.bigpond.com/brian.london
Webmaster: Brian London
“Fifth Battalion Operations & History”
http://www.netspace.net.au/~harrison
Webmaster: Edmund (Ted) Harrison
The “Guest Book” & “Forum Page” are the same for; and can be reached through either site
Disclaimer
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or Editor unless otherwise stated. The Editor reserves the right to use or refuse any material
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Can you help to identify these members ? Forward info to:
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December 2002
I n T he Pi n k Red ; W ha tev er! ! !
Bill Harvey was an original
member of Recce Platoon on the
first tour. He was a no-nonsense
“stand-in-your-face” soldier and a
feared Parachute Jump Instructor.
But the years have not fared well
with 'Harv'. In recent times he has
been seen sipping fine reds with
his pinkie extended, stirring a pot
of custard whilst wearing a silly
paper party hat.
Observe the befuddled expression.
Members; note the symptoms
well, if you inadvertently display
any of these symptoms see your
doctor immediately…..
A.W .O .L .
Cartoon; Courtesy of Peter Moore
Where are these Association members? - Please help in the search
Name
Robert Ian Alexander
Paul Thomas Boyns
Geoffrey Boyce Connors
Gavan Leo Doyle
Kenneth Thomas Grose
Lindsay Francis Harrold
Ian Donald Haywood
Douglas Franklin Heley
Bruce Ian Holland
Alexander Michael Koppen
Michael Leahy
Albert Joseph McIntosh
Lawrence Vivian O’Sullivan
John Edward Porter
Peter Sharp
Robert John Stuart
Andrew Balcomb MacDougal
Gary Ross Robinson
Douglas Franklin Heley
Guy Hamilton Ansell
Ronald James Apps
Murray Ross Bignell
Richard Blyth
Barry Ronald Bond
Robert Edward Box
John Peter Buzelin
Donald Alexander Campbell
Last known Address
Shenton Pk WA
Redland Plains QLD
Seven Hills NSW
Ballarat VIC
Taren Point NSW
Spears Point NSW
Bargo NSW
Annandale NSW
Williamstown VIC
Shenton Pk WA
Fern Tree Gully VIC
Narara NSW
Ourimbah NSW
Nundah QLD
Vale Pk SA
Medowie NSW
Singapore
New Zealand
Annandale NSW
Coromandel Vlly SA
Wangaratta VIC
Johns River NSW
Googna QLD
Croydon VIC
Ferntree Gully VIC
Runaway Bay QLD
Cann River VIC
Name
Leslie Warren Darlington
Graham Malcolm Itzsein
Donald Wayne Oakley
William Ronald Errington
Terence Gerald Gardiner
Robert Patrick Paul Carney
L. Carruthers
Ronald Peter Chivers
B. Cook
B.C. Cook
J. Cooper
Eric Archibald Hamlin
Peter Lapko
Angelo Lazarou
Terence Michael Leo
Laurence Victor Lewis
(Updated Nov 02)
Last known Address
Lemon Tree Passage
Slacks Creek QLD
Townsville QLD
Elizabeth Park SA
Bellerive TAS
Keperra QLD
Cobram VIC
Mirani QLD
MacGregor ACT
Shoalhaven NSW
Mt St Thomas NSW
Port MacQuarie
Robina QLD
Cowra NSW
Enoggera QLD
Deeragun QLD
Please forward any information to:
National Membership Officer
5 RAR Association
PO Box 432
BOWRAL NSW 2576
Ph: 02 9387 2158
Mob: 0407 669 221
Email: rhamlyn@bongbongprc.com.au
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I n Memori a m
“I BURIED MY MATE”
In the last Tiger tales, you listed
Gerry Mudge as being ill. I regret
to advise that on Saturday 29 June
Gerry passed away.
soldiers in jungle warfare and if an
instructor, officer or otherwise was
incompetent, Gerry made him
aware of it even if it was in front
of the troops or seniors, he
wouldn’t hold back.
I spoke at his funeral of
the memories I have of
my mate.
I recalled the many
sessions we had on
“Jack
Daniels”
when he wasn’t
out bush, in Tully
Nth Qld, with
“Warie” (George
Mansford).
But mostly I spoke
about a man I could
truly call “my mate”.
Gerry was a man that
could not accept fools lightly
no matter what the rank and he
often told them, much to the
embarrassment of his seniors.
In his eyes he was there to train
Gerry was a professional
in all respects when it
came to the welfare of
the troops heading
overseas.
The army padre
who conducted the
service,
visited
Gerry the day
before his death,
and was told in no
uncertain terms
which the padre
repeated in the
chapel “I don’t want
any religious shit at my
funeral”; there wasn’t.
I visited Gerry two weeks
before his passing where he was
sitting up having a smoke. When
queried by my wife about smoking
he stated “what’s it going to do,
kill me?”.
December 2002
He had been treated for two years,
but no doctor that he saw was
prepared to make a diagnosis.
Gerry stated that “because of
litigation laws these days not one
of them were prepared to tell him”
this included all government
doctors at the Repat.
Vale my mate, many thanks to
“Warie” for his email to the
family.
Another Vietnam Veteran goes to
God.
Hugh (Tas) Evans]
1 Pl A Coy 1st Tour
For those who mourn
God of all mercy, giver of all
comfort:
look graciously, we
pray, on those who mourn.
Casting all their cares on you,
may they know the consolation of
your love; through Jesus Christ
our risen Lord.
Amen
T i g er B a d l y I n j u red
On May 31st, Geoff Levey, former
Vic state rep was involved in a
major car accident and has
suffered horrendous injuries.
Geoff writes:
“Both legs, heels, feet, ankles,
forearms and shoulders took a
pounding, so much so, that I have
more pins, rods, nuts and bolts in
me than a hardware store.
On a brighter note, I am glad to be
a member of the 5 RAR
Association; I have received so
many cards, letters and calls from
people, some I haven’t seen since
the 70’s.
It has been very helpful on my
down days, to know the family is
there for comfort and support.
The Association has excelled itself
with the many boys visiting and
telephoning. Colin, please pass on
my gratitude to all and thank you
for your personal note. Take care
and best wishes to all.
Colin Kahn writes:
Geoff, this is what “the family” is
all about, you take care and get
well soon.
Our best wishes to you and your
wife Patricia from myself and all
the Association members.
At the time of receiving and
placing this communication in TT,
Geoff was in the “BETH HESBA
REHAB” (Epworth Hospital)
Richmond, Victoria.
Hey Geoff, thought I’d round up a
few more blokes to come visit. By
the way, I told them it was ok to
stay at your place.
Lou W
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L E G AC Y O F V I E T N AM
Tiger Tales
December 2002
He wept like a child - scared and alone
Fear ate into his soul.
His booze soaked brain was confused and distraught
No longer a man - not whole.
His spirit had left him way back in Nam
Ripped out as if by a knife.
He had trained as a soldier to kill on command
A training that haunts him each night.
No one could possibly know the true feelings
Of a soldier who was in Vietnam.
It was a war of great horrors lived by a few
A war that changed every man.
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others"
Is the prayer the Lord taught His men.
And it applies still this day for each one of us
Especially to the soldiers of Nam.
The nightmares relive each one of those days
With panic and fear and pain.
The image of bodies blown apart
The killing that became just a game.
Guilt and sorrow - tears and shame
The burden of Nam lives on.
He believes he's a killer - a man of no value
His reason for living now gone.
A voice on the phone can talk to the soldier
To a man who is no longer that boy.
And ease him through his pain of the moment
In an effort to restore his lost joy.
But till the soldier lets go and forgives himself
And hands over his burden to God —
Those nights will return time and again
His guilt and fear his rod.
His conscience was dulled by the reality of war
Life lost its meaning and worth.
God didn't exist - He was no where to be found
He had forsaken His people on earth.
The soldier in Nam killed sons and daughters
He blew them apart with no mind.
But he dealt with that - he was trained for such stuff
But not for the passage of time.
His tears have now gone - he is strong once more
He's been helped through another night.
God did hear his cry and answered with love
And it's God's love that makes things right.
For God knows those men and has since their birth
And if they're honest and seek His true way —
They will find a peace that is not of this world,
And a means to cope with each day. Amen.
Reality hit hard many years down the track
Once the truth began to take hold.
Flashbacks at night with sweat and fear
The past has been taking its toll.
The bottle became his mate at night
Booze the one comfort he had.
And thoughts of that war grew larger than life
With the fear he would really go mad.
I n Memori a m Ia n S m
I am writing to inform the
members that Ian Smith (Smith I.
W.) ex 2 platoon A company,
second tour, passed away some 8
months ago with cancer. I only
found out recently through my
accountant ,who was a good friend
of Smithy's.
Smithy worked at Hastings
Deering in Brisbane, as finance
manager for about 20 years, was
made redundant, and then set
Sue Carlyon
Healing through Jesus Christ by the power of God’s
Holy Spirit is the answer for each of us as you well
know Lou, and with this poem goes a huge prayer of
healing for everyone who reads it.
Sue.
it h
himself up in a tobacconist - gift
shop in a large shopping centre
(Carindale) in Brisbane.
particularly good mates, its always
a shock to hear that one of the
boys has "checked out".
It was a very successful business,
and during the process of setting
up another similar business,
became ill and subsequently
discovered he had cancer.
It was only a couple of months
later, that he passed away.
Regards
Graham "Steiny" Itzstein
Although
he
and
I
weren't
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T oa st to the 2 / 5th I n f a n try B a tta l i on Assoc
Annual Mt Tambu Battle Luncheon
This has been a very significant week for all who
served in Papua New Guinea, for we have seen the
dedication of a memorial to those who fought on the
Kokoda Trail (or is it Track?), and today, your great
battalion that fought in every theatre of war where
Australian troops were sent in WW11 celebrates the
battle of Tambu; a
battle of the greatest
significance some 59
years ago. It was a
battle that clearly
merits it’s own
memorial.
December 2002
b y C . K a hn D S O
I notice that you encourage widows, carers and
children to join you in ANZAC Day Celebrations and
this lunch. I believe that it is not only suitable and
correct, but also inevitably and necessary if
Association is to survive.
I read the poem provided by Mavis Miles - “The Flag”
and thought it admirably expressed widely supported
views on the flag,
terrorism and illegal
migrants (comments
on Korea, Timor,
Afghanistan).
I also liked the
words of Fred Hoare
(2/5 th ), who in
I was last with you at
replying to the
this lunch in 1995
proposal on radio
and my wife and I are
2GB about our
delighted to be back
enemies marching on
th
with you to renew Tambu Tigers of the fighting 2/5 celebrate their mateship ANZAC Day, left no
and maintain the
one in doubt with his
contact between the 2/5th Association and your young
deliberately worded comment regarding “which
offshoot, the 5th Battalion RAR.
bastards would not be allowed to march with us”.
It was again with humility that I re-read the history of
Mt Tambu and I remain vividly aware of the locations
and actions you made famous at such places as:
•
•
•
•
•
Goodview Junction
Observation Hill
Walters, Camerons and Caffins tracks
Western, Eastern and Northern Knolls
Buigap Creek
The bloody and vicious encounters on and around
Tambu, the courage and tenacity shown by members
of the 2/5th, have justly placed Tambu high in the
military annals of the Australian Army.
Our Associations also maintain contact by exchanging
newsletters, and I would like to comment on a few
points to show your President and Secretary that I
really do read your newsletters, but more importantly
to indicate their relevance to the 5th Battalion
Association; the loss of members caused by war
service and the inevitable march of time.
Even we 50/60 year old youngsters of the 5th are
experiencing this as more of our soldiers succumb
belatedly to the traumas of war. Despite this, I’m
pleased to say that our Association is slowly growing,
as now, some 40 years after our war we are
approaching the 1,000 member status.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have the single honour of
proposing a toast to the Battalion that fought “All the
Kings Enemies” with courage and tenacity second to
none. Would you please join me in the toast to the
2/5th Infantry Battalion.
I was invited to the annual “Battle of Tambu” lunch
on 18 Aug, and to propose a toast to the Battalion.
The lunch held at Moore Park Golf Club, was a
delightful, friendly affair with some 60 attending,
including several original members who served in all
theatres of WW11.
The guest speaker was Ivor White (President 2/5th
Victorian Branch) and he gave an entertaining talk on
his recent visit to Crete and Greece with the official
Vetaffairs party.
I spoke to several 2/5 members and expressed a desire
to maintain and strengthen our links and I urge our
members to do likewise, especially in VIC & NSW.
The 2/5th was truly a Battalion, second to none.
C. Kahn DSO
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December 2002
A C oy Reu n i on “ B oth T ou rs”
The boys of A Company 5 RAR (Both Tours)
attended a reunion in Canberra, 25 / 27 October 2002.
A total of 98 including wives and partners were
present at the event and it was considered a huge
success.
We
commenced
proceedings on the
Friday evening with a
“Meet and Greet
BBQ”. This was a
momentous occasion
where old friendships
were rekindled and
new ones made thus
lending itself to a
great night.
The remainder of the day was
spent touring the War
Memorial with a luncheon in
the parklands nearby.
Our final night together; and
boy; what a night!!!
Bob Armitage arranged a
theme for us, under the heading of “Sing, Sing or
show do your thing”.
Everyone was so relaxed and happy that it turned into
one of the funniest nights we’ve had in ages.
Saturday found us sightseeing, shopping, and enjoying
lunch with mates and family. It could be said that we
were generally relaxing in good company.
In the evening we held a formal dinner with Colin
Khan and his wife Pat as our guests as well as Clay
Sutton, representing his father, the OC A Company
69-70 tour. The evening was exceptionally enjoyable
one and did not cease until the CSM, Bob Armitage
declared a " cease fire ".
Sunday morning found us
gather ed at the Vietnam
V et er a n s S h r i n e f o r a
“Remembrance Service” which
was conducted by Don Orr with
the assistance of Brigadier Kahn
and Major Sutton
Also in attendance were a detachment of the
Federation Guard (consisting of mainly 5/7 RAR
soldiers), a bugler, a drummer and the Padre.
This was a moving ceremony and attracted a number
of onlookers.
Lou I am writing to you in the hope that you might
publish this in the next edition of TT, therefore
encouraging other Sub Units to follow suit and that the
attendance at future Reunions will be even greater.
In addition to this function, the
members of A Coy have
individual Platoon reunions on
an almost annual basis.
We believe this is instrumental
in maintaining the morale and
mateship of members but most importantly, it is an
opportunity to make our wives, partners and families
an integral part of these proceedings and they enjoy
them as much as we do.
Regards
Mick Fowler
Thanks Mick for the story and photos. You’ve
actually answered two questions for me, and they
are:
•
Should we start thinking about dropping the
1st / 2nd tour bit. We’re not getting younger
so why not increase our circle of mates.
•
Your comment about the importance of
including wives, partners and family is
paramount in my heart. So ladies, how about
a contribution for “Girl Talk”. It wouldn’t
take much to start a page called “Kid Speak”.
All I need are contributions!!!!!!
Lou W
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December 2002
V i etn a m F orc es Memori a l Re-D ed i c a ti on
“Stand To Service”
“At this sometimes haunting but always significant time of day,
with our fallen comrades in the hallowed ground of the
Australian War Memorial, a national icon, which together with
our Vietnam Forces Memorial represents a concrete salute to all
who served, but especially those who paid the ultimate price.”
C. Kahn DSO
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December 2002
V i etn a m F orc es Memori a l Re-D ed i c a ti on
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B a tta l i on U p d a te b y
V/VII
Tiger Tales
December 2002
L t C o l M . G . Tuc k er M B E
V/VII
Entrance to 5/7 RAR Darwin
I thought it would be appropriate to take this opportunity to write and inform you of how the
battalion stands prior to its second deployment to East Timor. Currently the Battalion will deploy
mid-October on a six-month tour. It is an opportunity that this unit relishes and one that will
provide invaluable operational exposure that will be beneficial for all concerned.
5/7 RAR has now concentrated as a Battalion Group in preparation for its deployment. Our current
unit manning stands at 684, which is a healthy figure considering the entire Battalion Group will
consist of some 980 positions. The injection of manning has made it possible for 5/7 RAR to
conduct a number of realistic conventional (mechanised) training activities as well as the
compulsory sub-unit and unit assessment activities that must be completed prior to deployment to
East Timor.
The first major training activity conducted this year was Exercise TIGER RAGE. This two week
activity provided an opportunity for the battalion to refine its mechanised capability. The activity
saw three Rifle Companies, one Tank Squadron, one Engineer Squadron and the Battalions
Headquarter and logistic support echelon deploy to Mount Bundey Military Training Area. It was
the first mechanised activity that the battalion had completed since Exercise PREDATORS
GALLOP at Eponarra in 1999. The first phase of the Exercise saw the sub-units take the
opportunity to practice combat team manoeuvre and to participate in combined Infantry / Tank- live
fire ranges. This phase culminated in each Company participating in a live fire defence of a reserve
demolition. The final phase saw Battle Group Tiger conduct a 36-hour delaying operation followed
by a battalion defence activity.
Since TIGER RAGE, the battalion has turned its attention to Peace Support Operations in
preparation for its deployment. To date the Battalion Group has performed well in activities that
have tested the functionality of the Headquarters, as well as the ability of sub-units to perform tasks
that they may be called upon to complete in East Timor.
The focus on East Timor has not detracted from the unit's ability to maintain its mechanised
capability. In line with the “Deployable Battle Group” (DBG) concept, that has been created to
provide a ready reaction armoured group for Army, 5/7 RAR has a rifle company that is deployable
as a mechanised force within 7 days. Although this readiness level has not been stipulated within
the DBG structure, it does provide the Commander 1 Brigade, with an Infantry Sub-unit that has the
flexibility to be employed at short notice for conventional peace support and civil support
operations.
As my tenure as Commanding Officer comes to an end mid-tour in East Timor, 1 would like to thank you for
the support you have shown 5/7 RAR. My replacement, Lieutenant Colonel Mick Lean, 1 am sure will
continue to preserve 5/7 RAR as one of the premier units within the Australian Army.
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Funny Bone
$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$$$$
++++FIRST SERMON++++
It can buy a House ___ But not a Home
A new curate at his first sermon to a congregation was
so nervous he could hardly speak.
It can buy a Bed ___ But not Sleep
It can buy a Clock ___ But not Time
It can buy you a Book ___ But not Knowledge
After the service he asked his priest how he had done
and the priest replied, “when I am worried about
getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka
next to the water glass and when I feel myself getting
anxious, I take a sip”.
It can buy you a Position ___ But not Respect
It can buy you Medicine ___ But not Health
It can buy you Blood ___ But not Life
So the next Sunday he took his priests advice, and at
the beginning of the sermon he took a drink. He then
proceeded to talk up a storm.
Upon returning to his office after the service, he found
this note pinned to his door,
It can buy you Sex ___ But not Love
So you see, money isn't everything.
And it often causes pain and suffering.
I tell you all this because
I am your Friend, and as your Friend
I want to take away your pain and suffering ...
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
So send me all your money and I will suffer for you.
I accept cash, money orders, personal checks, cashiers
checks, bags of gold, bars of platinum, grade 5
plutonium, deeds, cars, aeroplanes, bank notes, real
property, boats, jewellery and anything else that can
be converted to quick cash.
7.
8.
9.
….. MEMORY PROBLEMS …..
The long term implications of drugs & medical
procedures must be fully considered: Over the past
few years, more money has been spent on breast
implants and Viagra than is spent on Alzheimer's
disease research. It is believed that by the year 2030
there will be a large number of people wandering
around with huge breasts and erections that can't
remember what to do with them.
10.
11.
12.
Sip the vodka, don’t gulp.
There are Ten Commandments, not 12.
There were 12 apostles, not 10.
Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet
his ass.
We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late
J.C.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are not
referred to as Daddy, Junior and the
Spook.
David slew Goliath; he did not kick the
shit out of him.
When David was hit by a rock and was
knocked off his donkey, don’t say he was
stoned off his ass.
The recommended grace before meals is
not; “Rub A Dub Dub, thanks for the
grub –yea Lord”.
We do not refer to the cross as the big
“T”.
Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling
contest at St Peters; not a peter pulling
contest at St Taffy’s……..
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December 2002
Red C ross W ork er S eek s Memori es
To anyone who remembers me!!!!!!
I am Jean Debelle Lamensdorf, who
worked for Red Cross in Vung
Tau June 66-June 67.
I am
writing a book about my year
there, and obviously as
memories have grown dim, I
NEED YOUR HELP!
Please get those fertile
minds working and send me
any anecdotes, funny, sad,
int er esting, insulting,
complimentar y,
infor mative, whatever,
concerning me or any of the
Red Cross staff I worked
with (Harry Janssen, Hilda
Zinner, Winsome Ayliffe and
Jan Webb) and the Digs whom I
visited in hospital (36th Evac and 2
Field Ambulance), worked with, visited at Nui Dat,
flew with, bumped into at the PX, barracked for in the
football championship, chatted with at any time.
Don’t worry about the anecdote not being good
enough. Let me be the judge of that! And also I
have found that one anecdote opens a memory
door to another. So please send them.
I
would be so grateful, and the prize may be a
mention of you in my book! I send big hugs
to you all, the finest and bravest.
At Nui Dat with Everyman’s John Bentley 1966
Please forward information to:
Jean Debelle Lamensdorf
105 Alford Court
Chadds Ford PA 19317
USA
Visiting Cpl Max Vickers 6 RAR & Pte Tony Twaits
5 RAR at Hiedelberg Repat
Email: jlamensdorf@comcast.net
With many thanks Jean
Hi Lou,
Been reading Tiger Tales and thought I'd send you a
photo you might like to publish in the next issue.
It's of Warren (Woggy) Burns taken in 1966 on the first
cordon and search of Binh Ba. He is now the 5 RAR rep
in Qld, it just shows that the Association are all heart.
I have many other photo's of chaps in C coy first tour so
might send you one now and again.
Russell Briggs
C Coy 5 RAR
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9 Platoon 2nd T ou r — R e u ni on
Hervey Bay
24th & 25th Aug 2002
The platoon reunion held at Hervey Bay was an
enormous success and was given the thumbs up by all
who attended, including our beautiful wive’s and
partners.
Members attending were: Chris Jenkins, Eric Hamlin,
Peter Knight, Rodger Lambert, Ben Oram, Steve
Porter, Reg Smith, Ron (Fred) Dwyer, Max Postle,
Eddie Moon, Dave Stone, John Hunter, Blue Schafer,
Jock Phillips, Denis Manhood, Owen Schmidt and
Doug McCelland.
Apologies were received from: Ross Bourke, Noel
Conroy, Barry Baker, Pop Cooper, Mat Mateer, Bryan
McDonnald, Col Summerfield, Euston Swan and Don
Teichelman.
Members travelled from all over Australia and from
overseas to ensure they didn’t miss out on a great
weekend.
December 2002
In the afternoon all remaining troops gathered at the
RSL to place a bet on an inside tip from the horses
mouth, which is owned in partnership by Owen. You
should have seen all the looks of surprise when it
romped home at 20/1.
A big well done to Lisa and Owen, and someone was
heard to say, “Gee that’s just fixed up my five days
accommodation.”
Everyone had a great time and the next reunion should
be held at Newcastle in September 2003.
Phil Winney and Ross Bourke are going to arrange
everything. A letter will be sent to everyone with the
details.
It should be noted that Reg Smith was the one who
suggested having a get together, but all the credit for
the smooth operation of the reunion must go to Ben
Oram’s lovely wife Patricia and his daughter Kelly.
A big thank you from the bottom of our hearts goes to
Pat and Kelly for a job well done.
Blue Schafer
On Friday night everyone meet at the Irish Fiddler Pub
and it turned out to be a terrific evening with everyone
enjoying themselves to the utmost. Some of the boys
had not seen each other for over 33 years and it was
quite emotional at times, but after a while everyone
was talking as if they had only seen each other the
week before.
Saturday night a dinner was held at the Hervey Bay
RSL and credit must go to young Kelly Oram for her
terrific organizational skills that she displayed in
organizing an outstanding night.
Well done Kelly, and love from everyone who
attended.
On Sunday a BBQ was arranged but because of
inclement weather everyone went to the Hervey Bay
boat club for a late breakfast/early lunch. Excellent
venue.
Photo back row left to right
Reg Smith, Fred Dwyer, Max Postle, Ed Moon, Dave Stone,
J ohn H u nter, B lu e Sc haf er, J oc k Phillip s, Dennis Manhood,
O wen Sc hmidt, Dou g Mc C elland.
F ron t row left to right
Steve Porter, Phil W innery, B en O ram, Roger L amb ert,
Peter K night, Eric H amlin, C hris J enk ins.
G i rl T a l k
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IMAGES FROM A LONG JOURNEY
Very often, traveling with someone in the close
confines of a car for twenty-one days over a
distance of approximately 4,000 klms, is a journey
not to be undertaken lightly. Due mainly to the
tensions that can & do surround such a trip. Even
at the very best of times.
But...if you embark upon such a journey with the love
of your life, (who, by sheer accident, happens to be a
Vietnam Veteran), & whose sole aim in life at that
moment in time is to reach the nations capital as soon
as is ‘legally’ possible - At which time he wishes to
take part in a special event, ei; 10th Anniversary of the
Dedication of the Vietnam Memorial, 6am 07.10.02.
& you add to that the anticipation of meeting former
close service ‘mates’ hitherto unseen for thirty years.Then one could be excused for being thought a smidge
daft, if one expected stress/suds levels to be lower than
dangerously high.
And so it was, as we set out from Townsville for
Canberra recently, to do all of the above. However,
after several days journey along the ‘track’ &
encountering some other travelers headed in the same
direction for the same purpose, we arrived at our
destination safely & only a little frayed at the edges.
To begin the object of our travels, the “Stand To
Service” at daybreak was an incredibly moving
experience. Seen from the steps of the Australian War
Memorial, where the Service took place, the Avenue
towards Parliament House in the far distance was
shrouded in heavy mist. As the solemn proceedings
were about to begin, a crowd of near 2,000 seemed to
appear from nowhere out of the cold misty morning to
gather around the Monument. Speeches were made,
prayers said, hymns sung, wreaths laid, the bugler
played and then the two minutes silence - You could
have heard a pin drop.
What happened next was a spine chilling
experience.
From where I was standing atop the Museum steps,
looking down on the scene, I noticed a barely
perceptible movement of heads in the crowd, ever so
slight, as if listening for something. For what seemed
an eternity there was dead silence. (Remember, this is
during the two minutes silence) Then, from the far
end of the Avenue, penetrating the mist, came two sets
of eerie blazing eyes. The silence was suddenly
broken by the sound of two of the original gunships
used in Vietnam. They flew slowly low toward us, &
as one...all arms flew up as if to touch them as they
passed low above us, the action was punctuated by a
roar of approval/appreciation from the crowd below.
The men had picked up the sound of chopper blades
long before the choppers became visible & long before
the rest of us had. AMAZING! After all these years!
December 2002
From somewhere in the crowd the catch cry went up,
“Up The Big Red Rooster!!” with a resounding
response of “ ...And Drink More P…!!” What this
means is lost on the uninitiated but it seemed to meet
with universal approval, signifying the end of these
particular proceedings. I was proud to have been part
of this wonderful early morning experience, but I was
still yet to witness the effects of meeting the old mates
my dear husband was looking for. And ‘That,’ as
they say, ‘Is Another Story’
THIS IS…….THE OTHER STORY
The ‘old mates’ met each other with beaming faces,
much gusto & back slapping, laughter & loads of
good-natured ribbing about ‘Changes Over Time’ & I
believe, from the smug looks on their faces, the
highlight could have been when the five of them
marched together in the parade later that day, led by
their revered commander, Colin Khan. They shared a
lot of old memories & caught up with the present in
the time they had with lots of invitations to visit .
Personally, I was happy to catch up with Nev Stanton
& Noel Camin again. And to meet Barry Filmer,
Gladys & ‘Bluey’ Pearce & Colin Khan for the first
time. To put names to faces at last.
After ‘the’ weekend which we spent with rellies who
took us to view the glorious display of ‘Floriard’, we
spent a couple of days with some more delightful
company at Batemans Bay, Marie & Brian London.
It was a tremendously relaxing way to finish off the
furthest part of our trip. Thanks heaps, you two!! We
realy needed that rest.
As we wound our way up the coast we stayed with
rellies at Sydney then on up the coast to spend some
time at Smiths Lake with ‘Bluey’ & Gladys. What a
lovely little spot to live in! It was good to see you two
again and thanks for the mail since we’ve been home.
Calling into Coutts Crossing we just had to help
Dawn & Barry get hitched again after 32 years of
marriage. It was quite a privilege to share this special
occasion with you & your boys & family. Thanks for
everyones warm welcome. More rellies had us to stay
at Cleveland, Ipswich & Toowoomba. We caught up
with Peter Mc Cauley at Cooroy & as he wasn’t able
to make the occasion in person, he loved hearing all
the news & the mementos we brought him.
We discovered a little place called ‘New Italy’,
around about Mullumbimby, Nth NSW, with a most
amazing history of Italians pioneering in the 1800’s.
There is a large and interesting museum of those
families who settled the area & their descendants,
today, cook home made Italian food on the weekends
for the tourists.
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Girl Talk Continued……..
Well worth a visit, you’ll spend at least a couple of
hours there. We spent two lovely days at The Chalet
Motel in Brunswick Heads (free plug, for any of you
traveling in the area.) Very clean & comfortable
accomodation & a swimming pool, 2 mins walk to
shops and ‘other’ refreshments, nice friendly people.
Locky & Bev are the owners, tell ‘em we sent you.
Moving on, we explored Bundaberg, the home of
Bundaberg Rum. A bit off the main highway but a
nice busy little country town with lots going on. By
the time we got to Rockhampton we ‘felt’ our little
December 2002
dogs at home calling to us, so we decided to abandon
the free holiday we’d won to the Whitsundays &
make a run for home. I think by this time we’d
become ‘all holidayed out’.
We’ve really enjoyed being with all of you wonderful
people & we will see you all again soon either at your
place or ours. Many thanks for all your warmth and
hospitaliy. But I must say, after 21 days on the road,
it is beautiful to be back home with our family, dogs
& the glorious climate of Townsville… Come and
Try It Sometime!! Be our Guests.
(LADIES! PLEASE GET BEHIND THIS PAGE,
WE NEED YOUR STORIES & INPUT!) Anne W.
PA R T N E R S O F V E T E R A N S A S S O C I A T I O N
O F A U S T R A L IA IN C .
PATRON: Mrs. Lynne Cosgrove
The Association formed as a result of many
women searching for understanding of our unique
situations, mutual companionship and shared
common problems. Our lifestyles had deteriorated
to the point that quite a number of us had sought
assistance from the Vietnam Veterans
Counselling Service. As a result of this, 29
partners of veterans from throughout NSW
gathered at Myall Lakes in August 1999 and
unanimously decided to form the association.
In the first 12 months much was achieved by a
very dedicated Steering Committee, including
recognising the need and implementing support
assistance for all our members and all future
partners of veterans. Some of our foundation
members came from four previously established
local support groups; our groups now number
approximately 35; with interest being shown on a
regular basis as the word spreads rapidly.
Our Association is also comprised of a number of
Independent members who, for various reasons,
largely due to living in rural and remote areas are
unable to access a support group. Every financial
member receives a newsletter following each
quarterly meeting to keep them updated and
informed on current issues and events.
At our inaugural Annual General Meeting in
August 2000 our members voted to approach
Lynne Cosgrove to become our patron, which
Lynne accepted without hesitation.
By this time our membership had grown from the
initial 29 members to 130 and at the time of our
2nd AGM and Conference in August 2001, this
number had risen to 350 and currently stands at
approximately 760 financial members.
Our association was originally confined to NSW,
but throughout 2001 several interstate groups
joined us. A motion to become a National
Association was carried at our 2001 AGM and
this has now been implemented by our name
change to Partners of Veterans Association of
Australia Incorporated.
There is a tremendous need for support for
partners/carers and children of Australian
veterans now and this will continue in the future,
as our young people are called upon to do their
duty in strife torn areas throughout the world.
For the first time in our history there is an
association endeavouring to improve conditions
that are considered to be unfair, unacceptable and
of major concern to all partners and children of
veterans. The Partners of Veterans Association of
Australia Inc. has taken the first steps to
achieving this by uniting us into one strong voice,
as well as offering support, understanding and
companionship to our members.
For further information please
Secretary, PAT CLEGGETT on
contact
0249 570982 or Publicity Officer, JUNE ROE on
040 7106 718.
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