I JUST GOT TO WAIT A MINUTE, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE
RECORD HERE.
OKAY, WE ARE NOW ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING,
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS THE 7th OF MAY, 2015. THIS IS THE
VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THE VOLUSIA
COUNTY CONE MEETINGS. FIRST THINGS FIRST, BEFORE I READ THE DISCLAIMER
WE HAVE, IF YOU ARE STANDING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM HERE, AND YOU
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT, THERE IS AMPLE SEATING DOWNSTAIRS IN THE
TRAINING ROOM. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, I'LL
GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO COME UP THE STAIRS AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW
HERE, SO YOU'LL BE READY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, PLEASE
BE COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE. YES, WE DO HAVE VIDEO AND AUDIO. THIS IS A
VERY RARE OCCASION WE ARE VIDEOING THIS. ALSO, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE
STANDING IN THE BACK, IF YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE SEVERAL NEWS MEDIA
CAMERAS OUT HERE, SO PLEASE, YOU CAN'T BE BACK THERE HAVING A
CONVERSATION, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY QUIET. BACK TO THE NORMAL BUSINESS,
THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND IS INTERESTED
IN HEARING YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SLIP
AND INDICATE IN THE SUBJECT LINE THE ISSUE YOU WISH TO ADDRESS. YOU
MAY USE THE BACK IF YOU HAVE TO.
AFTER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE
COUNTY CHAIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE
BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU MAY SPEAK UP TO THREE MINUTES, EITHER
DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OR WHEN AN AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. WHICH
MEANS YOU GET TO SPEAK AT EITHER/OR, NOT BOTH. THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL
NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
PLEASE
BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL OF THE VIEWS OF OTHERS. PERSONAL ATTACKS ON
COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNTY STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE NOT ALLOWED.
VERY WELL. WITH ALL THAT, GOOD MORNING AND LET'S GET RIGHT TO THIS. WE
HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS MORNING. I WOULD LIKE
TO CALL MR. THOMAS PAJACK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR WIFE HAS A DISABILITY.
COME ON AROUND AND LET'S GET YOU SETTLED. FIRST PERSON UP, MR. JOHN
VAN DORF. AND AFTER MR. JOHN VAN DORK, MORT CULIGAN. PEOPLE CALLING
THESE NAMES SINCE WE HAVE A LOT, SO THEY CAN COME UP FRONT WHERE IT'S
EASY TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE. DR.MICHAEL WALDNER? IS THAT CORRECT?
COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT. JENNIFER STAG.
JOHN NICKELSON AND I THINK THAT SHOULD DO IT. THAT'S ALL THE
PEOPLE WE HAVE FOR MORNING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS MAY TAKE OUR
FULL-TIME. MR.VAN DORF. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FIREFIGHTER?
NO.
PAST FIREFIGHTER?
PAST COUNTY EMPLOYEE, CORRECTIONS.
OKAY, GOOD.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS.
I NOTICED YOU DIDN'T HAVE
AN ADDRESS.
PAST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
GO AHEAD AND STATE
YOUR NAME AND
POSITION.
JOHN VAN DORF, FROM ORMOND BEACH.
FUND.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE
THREE MINUTES ON THE CLOCK, PLEASE.
SIR.
FIRE
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES,
AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER I WAS HERE A MONTH AGO SPEAKING ABOUT THE FIRE
FUND. THE COUNTY WISHES TO RAISE TAXES ON UNINCORPORATED TAXES TO
SUPPORT THE COUNTY FUND. I THINK Y'ALL ARE TAKING THAT UP AUGUST OR
SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. EARLIER THIS YEAR YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH THE
COMMUNITY ABOUT WHY THIS TAX HAS TO GO UP ON THE UNINCORPORATED
TAXPAYERS. I CAME HERE LAST MONTH AND ARTICULATING AN ARGUMENT THAT
THE FIRE FUND IS BEING RATED TO COVER EVAC SHORT FALLS. I ATTENDED ONE
OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND MR. RECKONWALL, WHO SUPERVISES E VAC
CONFIRMED ON VIDEO THIS FUND IS USED TO COVER SHORT FALLS IN E VAC. THE
PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS E VAC IS A COUNTY WIDE SERVICE AND A SHORT
FALL THAT HAPPENS IN SAY, NEW SMYRNA BEACH, SOMEONE DOESN'T PAY THEIR E
VAC BILL, IT COMES OUT OF THE COUNTY FIRE FUND. LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS
HERE THE COUNTY MANAGER ASSURED THIS BODY AND ME THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
HE HAD PROOF. I THINK THAT'S HIS EXACT WORDS. I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS
REQUEST REQUESTING THAT PROOF. VIA E-MAIL. A MONTH HAS PASSED AND I
HAVE NOT GOTTEN MY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. I JUST WANT TO SEE MR.
DINNEEN'S PROOF. I THOUGHT I'D COME HERE TODAY AND MAKE A PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUEST IN THE PUBLIC, ON THE RECORD, FOR MR. DINNEEN'S PROOF
THAT THE COUNTY FIRE FUND SUPPORTED BY UNINCORPORATED TAXPAYERS IS NOT
BEING RATED TO SUPPORT EVAC SHORT FALLS, AS MR. RECKONWALL, THE PUBLIC
PROTECTION DIRECTOR, HAS SAID ON VIDEO TWICE. IN FACT, I BELIEVE, IF MY
OPINION IS RIGHT, HE CONFIRMED IT THE SECOND TIME A MONTH AGO, IN FRONT
OF THIS BODY, THAT IT WAS BEING USED. THAT IS ALL. JUST WANT MY PUBLIC
RECORDS. IF I COULD GET THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU.
MR. MARK CULLIGAN. YOU KNOW THE
RULES.
EXCUSE ME.
MY NAME IS MORETON CULIGAN. IT'S A CITY THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. IT'S A CITY INCAPABLE OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. SUN RAIL HAS BEEN IN DE BARRY OVER TWO YEARS AND NOT ONE
PROJECT HAS STARTED IN THE AREA. IT LOOKS LIKE A TIME WARP FROM THE
170s. IT'S AN -- 1970s. IT'S AN EMBARRASSES. IT'S HAND STRUNG WITH
ORDINANCES AND CODES LEAVING LAND OWNERS WITH, COMMERCIAL LAND OWNERS
WITH NOTHING TO DO. THEY CAN'T DEVELOP ANYTHING. EIGHT YEARS AGO DE
BARRY HAD A LAND OWNER TRY TO DEVELOP A HOKAH ROOM, DE BARRY TURNED
THAT DOWN. THEY CAN'T EVEN OPEN A SMALL WAL-MART WITHOUT GOING THROUGH
A LAWSUIT. EVEN WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL VOTES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
THE CITY SUES AGAINST IT. DE BARRY IS DOMINATED WITH A CITY THAT DOES
NOT BELIEVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT TALKS THE TALK, BUT CANNOT WALK
THE WALK. IT IS A CITY THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE, DOESN'T CARE
ABOUT JOBS, REVENUE OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT CARES ABOUT ITS RIDICULOUS
SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE. DE BARRY LAST NIGHT REFUSED TO EVEN ADJUST ITS
CODES TO ADVANCE THE DE BARRY DESTINATION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE THE
FIRST PROJECT TO OPEN UP IN THE SUN RAIL AREA ON 1792.
OF COURSE THEY
FAILED THERE AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CITY OF DE BARRY CITY COUNCIL IS A
FAILURE. DE BARRY HAS VERY LITTLE REPRESENTATION IN THE COUNTY AND
ACTUALLY IT DESERVES NONE.
SPEAKING ON ECONOMIC TERMS, IT'S A CITY TO
BE ASHAMED OF. IT'S A BLIGHT ON THE COUNTY AND REFUSES TO IMPROVE
ITSELF AND JOIN THE 21st CENTURY.
THANK YOU, SIR. DR.WALTER
ON THE RECORD. STATE YOUR
WALLDEN. SAY IT AGAIN? WELL, YOU'LL SAY
NAME AND ADDRESS.
DR. WALTER WALLDEN IN ORMOND
BEACH, FLORIDA.
PLEASE BEGIN. YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
IT
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY A NONPARTISAN,
NONCONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND THAT IS FLORIDA PACE e-VEST FUNDING. THE
FLORIDA PACE PROMISE IS A CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM. IT PROVIDES LOW
INTEREST RATE FUNDING FOR HOMEOWNERS, BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, TO
IMPROVE PROPERTIES EITHER THROUGH AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY OR HURRICANE
DISASTER PREVENTION, STRONGER ROOFS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIS IS
OBVIOUSLY A BENEFIT TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESS OWNERS,
HOMEOWNERS, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT HELPS -IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CLEARLY A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COUNTY AND
THIS HELPS PROVIDE, IT'S A STATE FUND OF ABOUT $200 MILLION CURRENTLY.
I WAS TOLD AS A HOMEOWNER TO TAP INTO THESE FUNDS. NO MATCHING COST FOR
THE COUNTY, NO LIABLE FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST A POOL OF MONEY THE
STATE FILLS FROM TAX ASSESSMENT. AND ALL THE STATE HAS TO DO IS APPLY
TO BE AVAILABLE, ELIGIBLE RECIPIENT FOR THESE FUNDS AND THE MONEY CAN
HELP PUT CONTRACTORS TO WORK, RAISE PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH AGAIN, WILL
BE A BENEFIT TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS SUCH AS MYSELF NEEDING TO DO
REPAIRS ON AN OLDER HOME WITH A ROOF, AND ALSO HELP THE CAUSE OF
DOMESTIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD I WAS
TOLD TO APPLY FOR THIS. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO
DO SO AS WELL. I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY MANAGER, THREE COUNCIL
PEOPLE, AND HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE. SO FOR THE GOOD OF VOLUSIA
COUNTY I'M HOPING THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT CAN LOOK
SERIOUSLY AT. FRIEND OF MY, JENNIFER STAG, WHO IS SENIOR MANAGER FOR
FLAGLER MANAGEMENT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO COME WITH MARY ME TODAY TO SPEAK
TO THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR. MRS.STAG,
YOU'RE NEXT.
GOOD MORNING, JENNIFER STAG. I AM A RESIDENT OF FLAGLER COUNTY. I WORK
FOR FLAGLER COUNTY GOVERNMENT, 1769 EAST MOODY BOULEVARD IN BUNELL,
FLORIDA. I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM. FLAGLER
COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ISSUES. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WHOLE HEARTEDLY
EMBRACED IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THE RESIDENTS IMPROVE THEIR
INFRASTRUCTURE, TO IMPROVE BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, FAITH BASED. SO AS I
SAID, OR AS IT WAS STATED, IT'S NO LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY. IT JUST
SIMPLY IS AN AGREEMENT THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO ENTER INTO WITH THE ePACE REPRESENT iS. WE HAVE CONTACTS AVAILABLE, SO IF SOMEONE FROM THE
COUNCIL COULD GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH US THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED
AND GLAD TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION TO HELP SUPPORT THIS CAUSE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, NOW, THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2, BUT THEY'RE SPEAKING NOW BECAUSE THEY WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO STAY FOR THE MEETING. SO JOHN NICHOLSON, MICKELSON?
NO, YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG.
HOW DO
YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME?
NO -- [INAUDIBLE]
--
THIS IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE?
[INAUDIBLE]
COME ON UP.
THIS IS YOUR TIME.
JOHN NICKELSON, 413 NORTH GRAND VIEW AVENUE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEACH
DRIVING. THIS IS ABOUT A PARK. UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT
OF TIME IN MIAMI, MY MOTHER IS 90 AND SHE LIKES THIS PARK, TROPICAL
PARK. USED TO BE AN OLD HORSE RACING TRACK. THE COUNTY TOOK IT, BOUGHT
IT, AND ADDED ALL KINDS OF AMENITIES.
THIS COUNTY, DADE
COUNTY, WAS VERY FORWARD THINKING, 50, 60 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY
ACQUIRED PROPERTY IN ADVANCE. WHEN DEVELOPERS CAME IN, THEY WERE TO SET
ASIDE LAND FOR PARKS. IF IT WAS IN AN AREA THAT WOULD CREATE 10,000
HOMES, THEY HAD TO CONTRIBUTE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO BUY A PARCEL SO IT
COULD BE A PARK, SO THE COUNTY DID NOT HAVE TO PURCHASE THE AMENTS FOR
THOSE AREAS. THE SCHOOL BOARD DID THE SAME THING. THE DEVELOPERS, IF
THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IN 10,000 HOMES, HAD TO PUT IN X AMOUNT OF
LANDS FOR THE HOMES THOSE SCHOOLS WOULD GENERATE. WE DO HAVE SOME KIND
OF PROGRAMS FOR THAT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, I ASK THAT WE SET
ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND. THE COUNTY IN TROPICAL PARK HAS 275
ACRES. I BROUGHT YOU THESE, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T GIVE IT TO YOU UNTIL
NOW, SO I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AT THE END OF MY SPEECH, THEY HAVE
AMENITIES LIKE SOCCER FIELD, FOUR FOR ADULTS, FOUR FOR KIDS. BASEBALL
FIELDS, FOUR FOR KIDS, FOUR FOR ADULTS. BASEBALL DIAMOND, E QUEST RAIN,
FISHING, BOATING, ET CETERA. I'M ASKING THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER IN ALL
THE LAND THAT'S VACANT -- [INAUDIBLE] -- WENT TO THE CITY LAST NIGHT
TO ASK FOR THINGS. FIND A WAY OF ACQUIRING 300 ACRES TO DO THE SAME
THING THEY HAVE HERE, SO FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN GO TO THE LOCATION AND
HAVE ALL OF THE AMENITIES, RATHER THAN HAVING A LITTLE BIT HERE, LITTLE
BIT THERE, LITTLE BIT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEIR PAVILIONS THERE, I WAS
THERE LAST WEEKEND, THERE WERE 17 PAVILIONS BEING USED FOR BIRTHDAY
PARTIES AND GATHERINGS. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS
COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SPACES FOR THEM TO CELEBRATE
BIRTHDAYS, HANUKKAH, WHATEVER. WE NEED THE SPACE. I'M ASKING YOU WE SET
ASIDE LAND FOR PARKS AND ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND ESPECIALLY THIS
LARGE ONE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. NO, YOU GIVE THEM DIRECTLY TO STAFF. MRS.ZIMMERMAN. NO,
WAY OVER THERE. WAY OVER. ALL RIGHT. LAST PERSON UP IS MR. THOMAS
PAJEK. ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE
AGENDA TODAY? OKAY, SEEING NO MOTION, WE'LL FINISH WITH YOU, SIR. YOU
HAVE THE FLOOR. NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING. WE LIVE IN DELTONA, 890 WEST GOUCHO CIRCLE. WE PAY OUR
TAXES AND ELECT FINE PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON OUR BEHALF. SUSAN IS
DISABLED, SHE HAS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. SUSAN GETS TO WALK THE BEACH,
EVEN WITH HER LIMITED MOBILITY. THIS HAS BECOME PART OF HER ONGOING
THERAPY. SHE IS SAFE AND HAS ACCESS TO THE VEHICLE. THEY ALL CANNOT BE
HERE TODAY, BUT I CAN, SO I'LL SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. I'M SUSAN'S
MATE. I'M HER CARE GIVER AND PROTECTER. IT'S POSSIBLE SOME DAY YOU OR
ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES WILL BE IN MY POSITION. I WANT TO READ AN
EXCEPT FROM THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACTS. A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION
SHALL NOT SUBJECT AN INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE BASIS OF
A DISABILITY OR DISABILITIES OF SUCH INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS DIRECTLY OR
THROUGH CONTRACTUAL LICENSING OR ANY OTHER ARRANGEMENT. TO A DENIAL OF
THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR CLASS TO PARTICIPATE IN OR BENEFIT
FROM THE GOODS, SERVICES, FACILITIES, PRIVILEGES, ADVANTAGES, OR
ACCOMMODATIONS OF A PLACE OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. SECONDLY, WITH
REGARDS TO PRIVATE SUITS, ANY PERSON SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION ON THE
BASIS OF DISABILITY IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT OR THIS OR ANY PART WHO HAS
REASONABLE GROUNDS FOR BELIEVING SUCH A PERSON IS ABOUT TO BE SUBJECTED
TO DISCRIMINATION IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT IN PART, MAY INSTITUTE A
CIVIL ACTION FOR RELIEF, INCLUDING APPLICATION FOR A PERMANENT OR
TEMPORARY INJUNCTION RESTRAINING ORDER OR OTHER ORDER. UPON TIMELY
APPLICATION THE COURT MAY PERMIT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INTERVENE IN A
CIVIL ACTION.
THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT IS NOT A CITY LAW,
NOR STATE LAW. IT IS A FEDERAL LAW. IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS
MEASURE TO CLOSE BEACH DRIVING, I BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD BE KNOWINGLY,
WILLFULLY IN VIOLATION OF THIS FEDERAL LAW AND VIOLATING THE CIVIL
RIGHTS OF DISABLED AS A GROUP. MANY DISABLED PEOPLE LEAD SHELTERED
LIVES BECAUSE OF THEIR DISABILITY AND UNABLE TO ENJOY MOST OF THE
THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH, PARK, GET OUT OF
THEIR CARS IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT IS LIBERATING, INVIGORATING AND
EMPOWERING. WHICH OF YOU WOULD DEPRIVE ANY OF THEM OF THIS SIMPLE
FREEDOM? THEY ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, TOO. ARE THEY TO BE CAST ASIDE
BECAUSE THEY ARE DISABLED OR ELDERLY? DO THEY NO LONGER COUNT? I ASK
YOU TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM AND THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND RIGHTS. WHEN YOU
RAN FOR THIS POSITION, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO BUY THE SUPPORT OF THE
DISABLED. THEY GAVE IT TO YOU. DON'T ALLOW THOSE WITH POWER AND
PRIVILEGE BUY YOUR VOTE TODAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MEMBERS OF THE
COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. WE WILL
MAINTAIN ORDER IN THESE CHAMBERS. DON'T DO THAT, FOLKS. PLEASE DON'T.
IF WE HAVE ANOTHER OUTBURST LIKE THAT DURING THE MEETING, I WILL HAVE
TO CLEAR THE CHAMBERS, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, WITH THAT, WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR 13 MINUTES UNTIL 9:00.
[ RECESS ]
CHAMBERS WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING, LADIES
I HAD TO SPEAK UP, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE IN
TODAY. SO, SORRY FOR THAT. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S DATE IS
THIS IS THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING. A ROLL CALL,
AND GENTLEMEN.
THE ROOM
MAY 7, 2015.
PLEASE.
YES, SIR. MS. DENYS. MR. LOWERY. MR. PATTERSON, MR.
MR. DANIELS. MR. DAVIS. ALL PRESENT.
WAGNER. MS. CUSACK.
THANK YOU. WHERE IS MS. DENYS? I HEARD HER. OKAY, IF WE COULD MAKE WAY
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMES BACK HERE. THERE WE GO. I
HEARD YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET UP.
ALREADY, TODAY'S INVOCATION AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY FATHER JOSEPH
SAMAAN FROM THE ST. DEMETRIUS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, IF THE COUNCIL
WOULD PLEASE RISE.
OH, GOD, JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD, YOU LOVED
WORLD. YOU HAVE COME FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR CREATION. YOU ARE THE
LIGHT OF THE WORLD. THE ONLY TRUE LIGHT THAT ILL LUMENS THE DARKNESS.
WE SUPPLICATE YOU TO BLESS ALL OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE PRESENT HERE,
ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR NEIGHBORS, AND COWORKERS. REMEMBER,
LORD, OUR GOD, ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASKED US TO PRAY FOR THEM.
REMEMBER YOUR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN MIND AND THOSE WHOM WE HAVE
FAILED OR NEGLECTED TO REMEMBER. REMEMBER, LORD, WITH YOUR MERCY, ALL
OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE IN NEED OF YOUR MERCY. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO
HAVE NOBODY ELSE TO PRAY FOR THEM. VISIT IN YOUR MERCY THE POOR, THE
SINGLE PARENTS, THE OR FANS, THE--THE ORPHANS, THE PRISONERS, THE
MENTALLY ILL, THE JOBLESS, THE NEEDY, THE HOMELESS. THE REJECTED. THE
VICTIM OF THE CRIMES, EXTORTIONS, AND THE OUTCASTS. EXTEND YOUR HAND TO
COMFORT THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM ADDICTION, DEPRESSION, THE HOPELESS AND
THE HELPLESS. COMFORT AN EASE THE PAIN OF THOSE WHO ARE VICTIMS OF
WARS, ATROCITIES, PERSECUTION, AND OPPRESSION. COME AND VISIT OUR CITY,
OUR NATION, AND YOUR ENTIRE WORLD WITH YOUR MERCY, COMPASSION, AND
LOVE. BLESS THIS MEETING AND ALL OF YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR IT. LET YOUR PEACE AND GENTLE SPIRIT COME AND VISIT US TO GUIDE
US IN YOUR PRECEPTS. CAST YOUR DIVINE LIGHT INTO THE HEARTS, MINDS, AND
SOULS OF YOUR SERVANTS, THE COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO CARE FOR THE AFFAIRS OF
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTRUSTED TO THEIR HANDS. SHINE INSIDE THEIR HEARTS
THE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR TRUTH. SHIELD THEM WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE
WORD OF YOUR HOLY REVELATION. DEFEND THEM WITH YOUR LEGIONS OF ANGELS.
PROTECT THIS MEETING AND ALL OTHER MEETINGS FROM EVERY O POSING AND
DESTRUCTIVE SPIRIT, BRING CONSOLATION TO THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE, SO
ALL OF US CAN LIVE IN HARMONY, PEACE, AND LOVE WITH EACH OTHER. GIVE US
UNDER STANDING TO FEEL AND COMPREHEND THE PAIN AND THE NEED OF EACH
OTHER. AND TO RESPOND TO IT WITH GENTLENESS AND UNDERSTANDING. UNITE
US WITH ONE MINDS AND WITH ONE HEART THROUGH YOUR DIVINE GRACE, SO THAT
THROUGH THIS UNITY YOUR LOVE AND PEACE MAY PREVAIL AMONG US AND THROUGH
US TO ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE. LORD, PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR PRAYERS BECAUSE
WE CALLED UPON YOUR GREAT AND HOLY NAME AND HAVE JOINED OUR PRAYERS TO
THE SUPPLICATIONS OF ALL OF YOUR HOLY PEOPLE, WHO THROUGHOUT THE ANALES
HAVE PLEASED YOU AND GAINED YOUR FAVOR. FOR YOUR NAME IS HONORED AND
GLORIFIED BY ALL THE POWERS OF HEAVEN, FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, TO
WHOM BELONG ALL GLORY, HONOR, AND WORSHIP, UNTO THE AGES OF AGES.
AMEN.
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION
UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU
VERY
MUCH, PLEASE BE SEATED.
OKAY. OKAY. WE NOW WILL PULL OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THE FOLLOWING
ITEMS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. NUMBER 15, ITEM NUMBER 33, ITEM NUMBER 34
IF YOU ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND HERE TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. THEY WILL
NOT BE ADDRESSED TODAY. YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR YOU CAN
STICK AROUND IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SO, DID YOU GET THE NUMBERS MR.
WAGNER? OKAY. FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR THEM TODAY.
OKAY? OKAY. SO WITH THAT STATED, WHERE IS MY INK PEN? MS. DENYS, ANY
ITEMS TO PULL?
YES, MR. CHAIR, I AM GOING TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES NUMBER 25,
REFERENCING THE PARK AND OUR FISHING PEER GRANT APPLICATION FOR
DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.
ITEM 25 SHALL BE
PULLED. MR. LOWERY.
NONE.
MR. PATTERSON. MR. WAGNER. MS.
CUSACK.
I NONE, MR. CHAIR.
MR. DANIELS AND THE CHAIR PULLS NONE. SO ITEM 25 SHALL BE PULLED FOR
DISCUSSION AND IT IS THE DUNES GRANT APPLICATION. WE WILL BE TALKING
ABOUT THAT AFTER WE FINISH OUR NORMAL ITEMS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL
ENTERTAIN A MOMENT.
MOVE APPROVAL.
MOTION OF APREYFUL FOR THE REMAINDER BY MR. WAGNER AND
MR. PATTERSON. MR. PATTERSON, ARE YOU OKAY?
A SECOND BY A
HE IS OKAY. YES, BUT THE CHAIR IS BROKEN. OKAY, BACK TO BUSINESS, IF
WE MAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. WAGNER. A SECOND
BY MR. PATTERSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR
SAY AYE. ITEM NUMB 25* WILL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT, ON
NUMBER ONE, THE MINUTES OF MARCH 19, 2015, APRIL 22, 2015 COUNTY
COUNCIL MEETINGS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THEM OR CHANGES, EDITS.
MOVE APPROVAL.
SECOND.
A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. DENYS. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL
OPPOSED. AND SO CARRYIED. ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE SHALL KNOW OCCUPY UP A
PUBLISH HEARING, STAFF REPORT ON ORDNANCES 2015/07 # 08, PROVIDING FOR
TRAFFIC FREE ZONES ON THE BEACH. MR. DENNIEEN, ARE YOU STARTING THE
CONNIVERY SIX?
YES--CONVERSATION?
YES, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS ACTUALLY ORDNANCE 201506, IT IS, I AM GOING THE
BRING FORWARD DISCUSSION THAT ACTUALLY IS IN RESPONSE TO THE APRIL 2ND
MEETING WHERE WE WERE DIRECTED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE
CONCEPT OF A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO
BRING FORWARD APPLICATIONS FOR LUXURY HOTELS WITHIN THAT ZONE. THIS
DISCUSSIONINGS IS TO ALLOW RESORT HOTELS ON A DEFINED AIR FROM
UNIVERSITY TO SILVER BEACH TO RE-QUESTION CAR FREE ZONES IF CERTAIN
ESTABLISHED CRITERIA ARE MET. THIS AMENDS SECTION 20173 OF THE BEACH
CODE BY ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS BY WHICH THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL LOOK
AT TRAFFIC FREE ZONES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN INTERNATIONAL
SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD AND SILVER BEACH AVENUE. AT THIS POINT, I KNOW THAT
THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT IS IN THE ORDNANCE, IT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU
AND ON THE WEB. AT THIS POINT, FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC, I AM
GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS AND ALSO, WHEN WE FINISH THAT
DISCUSSION, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF MYSELF, WE WOULD BE
GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. JAMIE.
YES, THIS IS JAMIE, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY. SECTION 20/173 OF THE CORD
OF ORDNANCE AUTHORIZES VEHICLES ON THE BEACH. SUBSECTION C PREVIOUSLY
WAS LISTED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE, WE HAVE RE-PURPOSED IT FOR PROVIDING
THE CRITERIA THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO DESCRIBE THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC FREE
AREA AND THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER REMOVING
CARS FROM THE BEACH. IT IS DESCRIBED AS UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD TO SEA
BREEZE BOULEVARDS AND INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD TO SILVER BEACH
AVENUE. THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCTION AN
INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LUXURY BRAND RESORT FRANCHISE AND HAVE A
BOOKING SYSTEM, A CUSTOMER CONTACT CENTER, AND GLOBAL BRAND SUPPORT, AT
COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR THAT WAS TO PROVIDE MORE NAME RECOGNITION AND TO
ASSIST THE AD AUTHORITIES FOR MORE CONTACTS OUT INTO THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY. THE NEXT IS THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE FOR OFF BEACH PARKING.
COUNCIL'S REQUEST THAT IT WAS ONE FOR EVERY CAR, THAT THE PARKING IS ON
THE EAST SIDE OF A1A AND ONE AND A HALF PLACES TO PLACE A VEHICLE ON
THE BEACH, FOR ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF A1A. THAT COMES FROM THE
HORN STUDY THAT WAS DONE WHEN THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY TOOK OVER THE
BEACH. WE THAT STUDY SAID THAT PEOPLE PARK APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET APART
WHEN THEY PARK ON THE BEACH, NOT TEN FEET, AS IS A STANDARD PARKING
SPACE. OVER THE YEARS, THE COUNTY HAS DONE FLYOVERS ON MEMORIAL DAY
WEEKEND H SOUR BUSIEST WEEKEND OF THE YEAR AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE
STANDARD. WE HAVE HAD BUSIER, MUCH LIGHTER, BUT GENERALLY, IN A MILD
5200 FEET, YOU CAN COUNT 350 CARS. IN RECORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
PUBLIC HAS ACCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE PARKING AND INCLUDE A
DUNE WALK OVER. ANY PROPOSE THE CANNOT OBSTRUCT AN AREA THAT WOULD HAVE
VEHICLES REMAIN ON THE BEACH. IT WAS MEANT TO NOT HAVE FREE RIDERS.
SOMEONE COULD NOT PROPOSE AN AREA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOTEL, BUT BLOCK AN
AREA FARTHER DOWN WITHIN THE ZONE. AND ALLOW SOMEONE TO GET CARS OFF
THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY JUST BY OPERATION, THAT THE
VEHICLES COULD NOT GET THERE. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE
PARKING BE CONVEYED EITHER IN FEE SIMPLE OR AN EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT. WE
BELIEVE THAT EITHER OF THESE IS GOING PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST AND
IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A PRIVATE BEACH,
WE CHARLOTTE CHRISTIAN WE HAVE BEEN DEPENDING FOR 30 YEARS HERE, MR.
ECKERT HAS BEEN, IT IS A PUBLICS BEACH, SO THERE IS NO DEBATE AT ALL,
WE ARE REQUIRING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DEDICATE THE BEACH IN FRONT OF
THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. AND THOSE
WERE THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH YOU WOULD CONSIDER WHICH WHETHER OR NOT
TO--CONSIDER WHICH WHETHER OR NOT TO TO--WHETHER OR NOT TO PROVIDE FOR
A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT,
MR. DANIELS.
IS THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL?
YES, JAMIE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THIS WOULD NOT KEEP US FROM
CONSIDERING TAKING CARS OFF OF THE BEACH IN ANY OTHER SECTION OF THE
BEACH WOULD IT?
NO, SIR, IT DOES NOT LIMIT YOUR
POLICE POWER ANY WHERE ELSE.
SO ON SAY THE SHORES, IT WOULD STILL TAKE FIVE VOTES TO GET
THE BEACH IN THOSE AREAS, AND THAT COULD BE DONE.
CARS OFF
IT COULD BE DONE AT ANY TIME.
AND EVEN IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND IT WOULD
TAKE FIVE VOTES TO GET CARS OFF THE BEACH, EVEN IF A PROJECT WAS TO
COME FORWARD.
YES, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
MR. CHAIR? IF I CAN ADD TO MR. DANIELS' COMMENT, THE THING THAT WAS
PROBABLY SETTING THIS APART, IN TALKING, THIS WOULD BE THE AREA WHERE
WE WOULD PROMOTE THE IDEA. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE PROMOTING THE IDEA
OF RESORT HOTELS IN THIS AREA WITH THE UNDER STANDING THAT WE WOULD
CONSIDER IT, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU APPROVE IT AND YOU CONSIDER THE
CONSIDERATION. OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THIS, DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE
THAT SAME WELCOME MAT FOR THEM, AND THERE IS NOT, I WOULD BELIEVE, THE
SAME UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE. I BELIEVE THAT BY DOING
THIS, WE ARE SIGNALING TO THE PEOPLE, WE ARE ENCOURAGING IT AND WE WILL
REVIEW IT. AND I BELIEVE IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS, THAT IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY APPROVED
THIS, I THINK.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS AS PER RATIONAL, CERTAINLY. BUT FROM A
LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, WE COULD CONSIDER RESORTS OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA.
THE SHORES WOULD HAVE PROPERTY WHERE THE RESORTS MIGHT BE DEVELOPED AND
THERE IS ONE, THE SHORE'S RESORT. AND WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE AND
PERHAPS, CONSIDER GETTING CARS OFF THE BEACH FOR OTHER REASONS, OR
OTHER REASONS TO DO IT AND WE, AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE NOT
TIEING OUR HANDS IN THAT REGARD. BUT WE ARE, I GUESS, PROMOTING THIS
PARTICULAR AREA AS A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD DO THIS TYPE OF THING. I
THINK THAT IS GOOD. I THINK THAT IS, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE HOTELS
ARE LIKELY TO LOCATE, CERTAINLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, STILL, THEY WOULD HAVE
TO COME HERE AND GET FIVE VOTES AND THEY WOULD HAVE A RUN TO GAUNTLET
THAT HENRY HAS RUN, HENRY HAS RUN, AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT ON THEM. BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. DENNIEEN?
NO, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS? SEEING NONE. WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE STAFF
REPORTING SECTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
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OH, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL?
IT IS ALL ONE PUBLISH HEARING
FOR ALL OF THE PIECES.
YES, YOU SAID THAT WE ARE DONE.
I MEANT I HAD NO MORE COMMENTS
SO WE HAVE TO
ON THAT SECTION.
GO EACH SINGLE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
IT IS ALL RIGHT.
YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR
THEN, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. ORDNANCE 201507, IF APPROVED, STARTS A TRAFFIC FREE ZONE IN
FRONT OF THE FORMER DESERT INN WHICH WOULD BECOME A WESTON HOTEL. IN
THE AUDIENCE TODAY, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE EXPLANATION [
INAUDIBLE ], DON MCCOWN KARMIC AND JIM MORSE ARE IN THE FRONT ROW AND
IF NEED BE, THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT, WHICH THIS
APPLICATION, WHICH WE WILL REVIEW IN DETAIL, AND THERE IS A LOT OF
DETAIL THAT SHE WILL GO THROUGH AND THERE IS AN AERIAL, DESCRIBES THE
CONDITION OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THE DESERT INN WILL MAKE ALONG WITH
THE PROVISION FOR 27 SPACES H IS THE SPACES THEY ARE ASKING FOR US TO
TAKE AWAY FROM BEHIND THE HOTEL FOR DRIVING. THE ATTEMPT TO GET TO 27
SPACES, AND I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT I HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING FORWARD
TODAY THAT I THINK WILL PLEASE YOU. WHEN THE APPLICANT, BEFORE HE
WITHDREW MOVING FORWARD, AND IN THE CASE OF THE HARD WOK, SHOWING-HORDE ROCK, SHOWING THE--THE HARD ROCK, I KNOW FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS
AND THE COUNCIL, THEY HAVE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, WANT THE SPACES
TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CROSS A1A AND MAKE IT
EASIER AND SAFER FOR PEOPLE. THAT BEING SAID, AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT I
HAVE BOTH THE AUTHORITY AND THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL TO PURCHASE
PROPERTY FOR OFF BEACH PARKING, I HAD A DISCUSSION, A VERY POSITIVE
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 27 SPACES. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IN ADDITION
TO THE ORDNANCE, IS A CONTRACT, AND WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW IS THEY WILL
GIVE THE 27 SPACES, I AM HAPPY TO SAY, NEXT TO THEIR BUILDING AND THE
EXTRA PROPERTY THEY OWN, THAT THEY WILL GIVE US THE SPACES AS PART OF
THIS AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GIVES THE MONEY H WE HAVE CALCULATED
IN ADDITION TO THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES, ABOUT $7000 A SPACE TO
DEVELOP THE SPACES. THAT LEAVES THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY C IS
FAIRLY LARGE, IT IS LESS THAN AN ACRE, THOUGH. WHAT I TALKED TO THEM
ABOUT, WAS A CHANCE, WHICH YOU WILL HAVE BEFORE YOU, TO PURCHASE THE
REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY AT BELOW MARKET. THEY WERE WILLING, AND I
MEAN THIS WAS GENEROUS ON THEIR PART, THEY WERE WILLING TO SELL THIS AT
NO COST, NO PROFIT, BUT FOR WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT, WHICH IS BELOW PARK
OF WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR IT TODAY. IT IS PROBABLY WORTH 2 3-0 HUNDRED
THOUSAND DOLLARS--WORTH $300,000 TO $500,000. THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL
US THAT PROPERTY, THEY HAVE ABOUT $2.4 MILLION IN IT. IT COMES OUT TO
ABOUT $10,779,000. AND SHE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. I THINK THE
ISSUE HERE IS, IT IS NOT ONLY WILL YOU THEN HAVE YOUR 27 SPACES, WHICH
I THINK THE COUNCIL ALWAYS WANTED ON THE OCEAN FRONT, RIGHT NEXT TO
WHERE YOU TOOK THE PARKING SPACE, BUT WITH THE PROPERTY, IT IS CLOSER
TO 150 SPACES IN AN AREA THAT WE WOULD WANT THE SPACES TO BE. I WILL
TELL YOU THAT IF THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN AVAILABLE AT THE TIME YOU HAD
GIVEN US DIRECTION, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN THE NUMBER ONE OR TWO
PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER TO BUY BECAUSE OF ITS
LOCATION. SO WHAT I THINK YOU HAVE HERE IS THEM GIVING US THE 27
SPACES, I THINK REALLY DEALING WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL INTENDED WHEN THEY
WANTED THE SPACES ON THE OCEAN. BUT I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY AT
BELOW MARKET THE REST OF THE PROP TERAI AND ALLOW US TO DO IT, AND WE
ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT AS ONE PUD TO ELIMINATE ANY SET BACKS AND
MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SPACES IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND
IN THE USABILITY AND THE NUMBER OF SPACES ON THE OWES, WHICH WILL OURS
FOREVER AND NOT AFFECTED BY TIDES. WITH THAT, WE CAN GO THROUGH WHAT WE
ARE REQUIRED AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT INTO HOTEL IN TERMS ON
INVESTMENT TO BE THE WITH THE WHOLE ISSUES--TOGETHER WITH THE WHOLE
ISSUES.
SUE, IF YOU COULD PUT THE OVERHEAD UP, PLEASE. THE OLD WESTON PROJECT
IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF UNIVERSITY. IT IS ABOUT 300 FEET SOUTH. WHAT WE
WOULD BE DOING IS WE RENUMBERED THE CODE DO PROVIDE FOR THE CRITERIA
THAT YOU JUST WENT OVER IN ORDNANCE 06. THEY ARE NOW LETTER D. D
CURRENTLY HAS SIX TRAFFIC FREE ZONES. WE WOULD BED AING A SEVENTH
TRAFFIC FREE ZONE. TO EXTEND 410 FEET. SO IT WOULD COVER WHAT YOU ARE
SEEING AS THE RED AREA ON THE OVERHEAD, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL DESERT END
PROJECT. THE ORDNANCE HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY AMENDED SINCE IT WAS PUBLISHED
BY IT IS WELL WITHIN THE DEFINITION. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO IDENTIFY
THE PARCEL NUMBERS UPON WHICH THE OFF BEACH PARKING WOULD BE PROVIDED
AND WE HAVE DONE SO AND IT IS HIGHLIGHTED. AND THE PARKING WOULD
INCLUDE PAVING, LANDSCAPING, AND STORM WATER. THE CONDITIONS UNDER
WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO COME IN COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO THE CARS
COMING OFF THE BEACH ARE ATTACHED AS A GUARANTEE OF PERFORMANCE. IT IS
VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE DO PLAT VACATIONS, WHERE WE ARE
REQUIRING CERTAIN ACTS TO OCCUR PRIOR TO OUR RELEASING THE PUBLIC'S
INTEREST. THE CONDITIONS, AGAIN, INCLUDE THE HOTEL AS HAS BEEN
DESCRIBED. IT GOES INTO GREAT E. COLI DETAIL AS--GREATER DETAIL AS TO
THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO MARKET TO THE UPPER SCALE OF THE SEGMENT AND
IT PROVIDES DETAILS OF WHAT MAY MUST HAVE INSIDE THEIR HOTEL AND IT
MUST BE CERTIFIED BY THE FRANCHISE BRAND 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE CARS
COMING OFF THE BEACH. THEY ARE LISTED ON PAGE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
] ON THE THIRD PAGE OF THE ATTACHMENT, MY PAGES ARE NOT NUMBERED. BUT
IT INCLUDES AN UPSCALE DINING FACILITY AND ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT
YOU WOULD EXPECT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO A REASSORTED. THE CRITERIA, THE
PROPERTY HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY ARE GOING RECORDING FEES
SIMPLE TO THE PORTION OF THE PARCEL THAT APPLIES TO THE 27 SPACES. AND
AS MR. DENNIEEN STATED, WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO GET A PURCHASE FOR THE
REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING. AS YOU CAN SEE OF THIS STRETCH, THERE IS
VERY FAVA AND PROPERTY. IT IS--VACANT PROPERTY. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO
BUY IT JUST BEFORE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US TO BUY OFF BEACH PARKING. SO
IT WAS OFF THE MARKET BY THE TIME YOU SUGGEST THAT HAD WE START
ACQUIRING. THEY WILL BE SELLING IT FOR $40 A SQUARE FOOT GROSS. THE
LAST PROPERTY WAS THE STRAND BEACH, YOU PAID $42.59 A SQUARE FOOT, SO
IT IS BELOW THE MARKET VALUE OF WHAT WE ARE PAYING RIGHT NOW. IN
VALUING THE PARKING SPACES AND THE DEVELOPMENT COST, WE RAN THE NUMBERS
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, MS. CONNER INS HAS TOLD YOU THAT IT TAKES
BETWEEN $22,000 AND $44,000 FOR PARKING SPACE OR THE LAND AND
DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE VALUED AT $23,000 A PARKING SPACE. SO WE NETTED
THE PURCHASE PRICE TO $1,779,000. AND WE HAVE ALSO AGREE TODAY JOINTLY
DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THE APPLICANT WITH A PUD. THE INTENTION
BEHIND THAT IS WHEN YOU USUALLY DO A DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE SET BACKS
AND YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE
PROPERTIES, IF WE COME FORWARD JOINTLY, WE WILL NOT HAVE SET BACKS IN
LANDSCAPING SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN ABOUT 30 FEET TO BE USED AS
ANOTHER ROW OF PARKING. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING ON
THEIR PROPERTY AND OURS. SO, WE THINK IT IS THE BEST INTEREST AND WE
WILL EXECUTING THE JOINT AND CONSENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUD AND
WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THIS FOR PUBLIC PARKING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT?
NO, YOU CAN ASK, IF
AND I TO CLARIFY.
MR. DENNIEEN.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OOPHAGY JAY MY
AND I--OF JAMIE
OKAY, AND MR. DANIELS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK
MR. HUE SANE FOR MAKING THIS OFFER AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY. THIS IS
VERY UNUSUAL THAT SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT SORT OF THING AND YOU ARE THE
KIND OF CORPORATE CITIZEN THAT YOU WANT HERE. YOU PROVED TO BE A
GENTLEMAN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I APPLAUD YOU. AND HAVING THIS
PARKING RIGHT ON THE BEACH IS TERRIFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR
THINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND THIS WOULD PREVENT THAT, AND HERE, AND
PROVIDE GREATLY MORE PARKING THAN YOU WILL BE TAKING OFF. THE ONE THING
THOUGH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JAMIE IS YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT SEEMS THAT
IF WE WAIT UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THE HOTEL THAT THEIR RIGHTS ON
CONTIGENT AND NOT VESTED. WOULD THAT BE RIGHT?
YOU PLACE ME IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. I AM NOT SURE THAT I WOULD AGREE
WITH YOU ON THAT. I THINK I WOULD ARGUE VESTED RIGHTS ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BOTH LAWYERS AND WE BOTH READ CASE
LAW A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT I COULD MAKE AN
ARGUMENT TO A COURT.
AND I COULD, TOO. BUT YOU NOW, MY POINT WAS THIS, THAT IT IS NOT REALLY
THAT THEY ARE NOT VESTED. IT IS THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, THEY ARE DOING
ALL OF THIS FOR US AND THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK.
THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK, YES,
THEY ARE.
THAT WAS REALLY MY POINT. IT WAS NOT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DO NOT
HAVE ANYTHING. IT IS THAT THEY ARE RUNNING SOME RISK BUT THEY ARE DOING
A LOT FOR US. AND I THINK THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD TAKE
THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO
US. WHAT EFFECT WOULD YOU THINK THAT THE REFERENDUM WOULD HAVE IF IT
WAS TO PASS AND BE UPHE WOULD?
WELL FIRST--UPHELD?
WELL, FIRST, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE REFERENDUM AS DRAFTED IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND SO, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS VALID. SO, AGAIN,
YOU ARE PUTTING ME IN A DIFFICULT POSITION OF HYPOTHETICAL. BUT IF
THERE WERE SOME SORT OF REFERENDUM THAT WOULD BE VALID, AGAIN, THERE
IS AN EXPO FACTO ISSUE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE ALREADY MADE THE DECISION AND
TO HAVE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT REACH BACK ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF TO
STRIP SOMEONE OF THEIR RIGHTS WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR A COURT TO
ENFORCE.
THE OTHER THING TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION, IF THEY GET THE PROJECT DONE
BEFORE THE ELECTION. CARS COME OFF THE BEACH, THERE IS A STATE STATUE
AND THEN I THINK THEY ARE GOLD AT THAT POINT.
THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AS WELL.
OKAY, SO AS LONG AS THEY GET IT DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION, THEY ARE
GOLD. THEY HAVE THE STATE STATUTE AS PROTECTION.
MR. CHAIR, THERE IS ONE THING THAT I NEED TO ADD, IT WAS A CONCERN ON
PARKING, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DIDN'T SAY THIS, WHILE THE PARKING WOULD BE
NEXT TO THE HOTEL. IT IS SEPARATED, THERE IS A WALKWAY, THERE WILL BE
LANDSCAPED, AN ACCESS POINT TO MAKE IT EASY ACCESS FOR ANYONE THAT IS
HANDICAPPED DOWN TO THE BEACH. IT IS ALL INCLUDED BUT IT IS SEPARATED
FROM THE HE TELL AND THE OWNER AND--FROM THE HOTEL AND THE OWNER, AND
HE HAS AGREED, IT IS IN THE CONDITIONS OF THIS ORDNANCE, IS THAT WE
WILL, BECAUSE IT IS OUR PROPERTY, IT IS NOT MORE HOTEL PATRONS AND HE
HAS AGREED TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS PEOPLE, HIS CLIENTS KNOW THAT IT IS
NOT PART OF THE HOTELS PARKING. AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN AND WE FEEL
VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THE ISSUES WOULD REALLY BE AROUND HOLIDAYS, AND I
KNOW THAT I CAN ENFORCE IT THEN. SO HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR. BECAUSE I
KNOW IT WAS CONCERN THAT SOME HAD. THIS IS NOT SPILL OVER PARKING FOR
THE HOTEL.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MR. LOWERY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I GUESS MR. DENNIEEN, WOULD
IT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT TO SAY THAT THE HANDICAP ACCESS AFTER THIS
PROJECT IS DONE WOULD BE GREATLY ENHANCED FROM WHAT IS CAN CURRENTLY
THERE?
WE BELIEVE SO. ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO DRIVE ON TO
THE BEACH. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT
THE COUNCIL HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT AT CERTAIN PLACES TO GO BACK AND
PROVIDE SOME OF THE WHEELCHAIRS THAT WE ONCE DID. INTERESTING TO NOTE,
WHILE THIS IS JUST A THEORY, MY STAFF HAS COME TO ME AND MS. CONORS
ESPECIALLY, THERE IS A LITTLE PEACE OF DRIVING BEACH BETWEEN
UNIVERSITY AND THE WESTON WOULD BE, WE LOOKED TO MAKE IT, AS AN
EXPERIMENT, A SPECIFIC HANDICAP DRIVING AREA. SO ACTUALLY FOR
HANDICAPPED PEOPLE. WE THOUGHT, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD
EXPERIMENT. I AM NOT GOING COMMIT TO THIS AT THIS POINT BUT IT WOULD
MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO GIVE IT A WAY. SO WE
PIECE FOR PEOPLE WITH HANDICAPS.
MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT
MS. CUSACK.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. DENNIEEN, AND TO STAFF, I THINK THAT WE HAVE
A TRUE PARTNERSHIP IN THIS COMMITMENT. BEING A HEALTH CARE
PROFESSIONAL, MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE AMERICAN'S WITH DISABILITY ACT
AND I THINK YOU HAVE REITERATED HERE THAT WE CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE, WE
WILL DO ALL OF THE THINGS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE, SAFELY, ACCESS FOR
FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES TO GET INTO THE BEACH. WOULD YOU SAY THAT IS
CORRECT?
ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO I APPLAUD THE PARTNERSHIP HERE AND I THINK IT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT
ORPHAN OUR BEHALF THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BEACH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MS.
LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT,
LATER.
CUSACK. ANY OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS? I WOULD
MR. DENNIEEN, THAT PLEASE, BRING THAT IDEA UP
I WILL.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.
IT SOUNDS VERY UNIQUE AND SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 2015-08.
SO
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 2015-08, A PROPOSED TRAFFIC FREE ZONE. ONCE
AGAIN, JAMIE WILL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS. IN GENERAL, THE HARD ROCK
AGREES TO MEET THE SAME CRITERIA AS THE DESERT INN. THERE ARE SOME
MINOR CHANGES. ONCE AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS THE PARKING. THEY NEED TO
PROVIDE 60 SPACES.
EXCUSE ME, WHEREVER JEFF IS CAN WE GET MR. DENNIEEN A NEW
SORRY, SIR. BUT IT DOES INTERFERE.
MICROPHONE?
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I SHOULD MENTION THAT TWO PEOPLE ARE HERE FROM
THE HARD ROCK, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR APPLICATION. THE
ISSUE ONCE AGAIN ON THE 60 SPACES IS WHERE. WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT
OPTIONS, A POTENTIAL PARKING GARAGE ALSO, AT ONE ACROSS THE STREET
WHERE THEY HAVE PROPERTY. I GOT THE MESS AN LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE
COUNCIL THAT LET'S TRY TO MAKE THIS PARKING ON THE BEACH. THEY ARE IN.
THEY AGREED TO PROVIDE 60 SPACES, IT IS ABOUT 1800 FEET SOUTH OF WHERE
THE HARD ROCK WOULD BE BUILT. WE ALREADY HAVE 23 SPACE THERE FROM THE
PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. THIS WOULD ADD ANOTHER 60. THOSE 60 AND THOSE 63,
83 SPACES RIGHT THERE, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PARKING LOT THEN. IT IS A
PLACE, WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING THE
NEED MORE PARKING. HOLD ON. OKAY, WE TALKED TO THE HARD ROCK PEOPLE
ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUYING THE REMAINDER OF THAT PARCEL. NOW IT IS
VERY LARGE AND IT IS A LARGE REMAINDER OF PROPERTY. THEY DID NOT HAVE
AN INTEREST IN SELLING THE PROPERTY AND I THINK UNDERSTAND THE NATURE
OF THAT PROPERTY AND THE AMOUNT OF OCEAN FRONT THEY HAVE, I UNDERSTAND
WHY. BUT THEY ARE IN THE DISCUSSIONS, I WILL SAY OF A PIECE OF
PROPERTY, IT IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF WHERE THE HARD ROCK WOULD BE.
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THEY WILL GO INTO THE DETAILS, THE POINT IS THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF
PROPERTY THAT JAMIE IS GOING TO TALK--THAT JAMIE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT
ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO ACQUIRE. IF THEY
ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, THEY ARE WILLING, IN THIS AGREEMENT, TO GIVE
ASSORTS OF FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL ABOUT MOVING OUR 60 SPACES, WITH THE
PAYING, THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT, TO THIS LOCATION IF WE WILL PURCHASE
THE REMINDER OF THE--THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. AND JAMIE WILL GO
THROUGH THE DETAILS.
ORDNANCE NUMBER 2015-08 WOULD ADD A NEW DRIVING AREA OF NUMBER EIGHT,
WHICH WOULD START 2,205,000 SOUTH OF INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD
AND EXTEND FOR 906 FEET. THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE HARD ROCK PROJECT,
WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE OLD LEN KNOX APPROACH MOVING DOWN
SOUTH. WHEN WE LEFT, IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS. YOU SAID THAT YOU
WOULD VACATE IT UNDER THE CONDITION THAT THEY BUILD THE PARKING. THEY
IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY, THEY CONSTRUCTED THE PARKING, AND IN FACT,
APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AGO, THE COUNTY ENGINEER SIGNED OFF ON THAMES
OF PROPERTY AND THE PARKING IS NOW AVAILABLE. BASED ON THAT, THE
APPROACH IS NOW VACANTED AND THEY HAVE BEGUN CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR SEA
WALL. THE HARD ROCK PROJECT HAS PROBABLY GOTTEN THE MOST PRESS ON ALL
OF THIS BECAUSE IT IS LARGER AND HAS A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES.
WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT PARKING, THEY AGREE TODAY PROVIDE MORE PARKING
NEXT TO THE WITH US TIER YEAH, WHICH IS THE 60 SPACES. WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE PRINCIPALS TO THE HARD ROCK AND THEY HAVE
TRY TODAY MEET THE SAME CREE TIER YEAH--CRITERIA THAT THE WESTON
PROJECT DID, WAS TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A MUCH LARGER PARKING
LOT. THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN RED ON THE OVERHEAD. THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT
THE PRINCIPALS ARE ON THE ISLANDS. SO, TALKS, IT IS A DAY OR TWO
BEFORE WE HEAR BACK AND FORTH FROM THEM AND WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE
TO GET A CONTRACT SHORTLY. SO THE WAY THAT THE ORDNANCE IS DRAFTED, WE
HAVE IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY, THAT THEY WOULD PUT IN ANOTHER 60 PARKING
SPACES, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT. THE 60
SPACES ARE ON THE PARCEL AND THEN THEY WILL GIVE US CHANCE TO PURCHASE
THE REMAINDER AT OR BELOW COST. IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN I WOULD BE
BRINGING THAT CONTRACT BACK SEPARATELY AND THEN MAKING THE DECISION
THAT IT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING AS SET FORTH IN THE ORDNANCE.
BUT REGARDLESS, THEY WILL BE OCEAN FRONT PARKING AND THEY WILL REPLACE
THE 60 PARKING SPACES.
I THINK BAA THAT THE BASIS HERE IS THE DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY IS BASED
ON THE FACT THAT THE 60 PARKING SPOTS, AND WE ALREADY WENT BACK AND
IDENTIFIED THE PARCEL NUMBERS, THAT IS THE DECISION. YOU KNOW YOU WILL
GET TO 60 SPACES. THEY ARE PLANNING ON GIVING US AN OPTION IF THAT
COMES UP. BUT YOU WILL HAVE THE 60 SPACES ON THE OCEAN. WHICH I
BELIEVE WAS PART OF ALSO, ONE AT MAIN CONDITIONS, PEOPLE REALLY WANT IT
ON THE OCEAN IF THEY CAN GET IT. I WILL NOT HAVE THE ISSUE HERE THAT I
MIGHT HAVE HAD ART THE WESTON BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEXT DOOR. SO WE DO NOT
HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THERE. I AM VERY COMFORTABLE, NO PROBLEM WITH THE
WESTON.
NOW WITH THAT, WE, MR. DENNIEEN GOT A LET FRESH THE PRINCIPALS OF THE-GOT A LET FRESH THE PRINCIPALS OF--A LETTER FROM THE PRINCIPALS OF THE
HARD ROCK, THEY DESCRIBED THE PROCESS BUT IT IS THEIR INTENT TO
COMPLETE THE PURCHASE TO PROVIDE THAT TO US AS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND IF
THAT DOES, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU SEPARATELY AS A CONTRACT. THE
CRITERIA FOR OPENING UP THE HARD ROCK WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THE WESTON.
ATE ALMOST BIT DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION IN THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS AS
TO THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT BUT DEFINITE I WILL MEETING THE QUALITY THAT
YOU WOULD EXPECT IN AN INTERNATIONAL RESORT, ALL OTHER CRITERIA, AGAIN,
SOMETIMES THE FRANCHISE WORDING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THE
FINISHES WILL BE OF THE CORRECT TYPE, HARD ROCK HAS A PROVISION THAT
SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE WOOD, GLASS, STEEL, OR STONE, SO NO PLASTIC IN
THE FINISHES. I HAVE ASKED HOW WE KNOW THAT THE HARD ROCK AND THE
WESTON WILL STAY. WELL, WE CANNOT PROMISE ANYTHING BUT THE AGREEMENTS
ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE. THE INITIAL DOWN PAYMENT IS IN THE
MULTIMILLIONS, THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS ARE IN THE MILLIONS. YOU DO NOT
INVEST THIS KIND OF MONEY INTO A PROPERTY TO GAIN THAT FRANCHISE FLAG
UNLESS YOU INTEND ON MAINTAINING THAT FLAG. WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE
YEARS PROPERTIES IN DAYTONA BEACH WITH AN INTERNATIONAL FLAG BE SOLD TO
ANOTHER INTERNATIONAL FLAG. HOUR, THAT STILL MAINTAINS THE FALL-HOWEVER, THAT STILL MAINTAINS THE QUALITY OF THE RESORT. ONCE YOU
INVEST IN THAT ROOM SIZE, THE STYLE, THE FURNISHINGS IN THE PROPERTY,
THAT CREATES A MARKET, A SEPARATE MARKET, IF THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN
AND BUYS IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE WESTON IN 20 YEARS. BUT IT MIGHT WELL BE
A HIGH END HILTON, IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE IHG CROWN PLAZA'S BECAUSE
THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT ATTRACTS THE HIGHER END INTERNATIONAL
FRANCHISES. SO CAN I GUARANTEE IT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. DO I THINK IT IS
GOING TO CONTINUE? YES. BECAUSE WE SAW THAT WITH THE MARRIOTT, IT WENT
FROM TO AN ADAM'S MARKET TO A HILTON. IT DUDS NOT DROP DOWN TO A
COMFORT INN. BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT THOSE FINISHES IN, THAT IS THE KIND
OF BUYER IT IS GOING TO ATTRACT.
I THINK IF YOU HAD A WEAKNESS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TAKE THE DRIVING
AND PARKING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MADE THE INVESTMENT. I THINK THAT MR.
DANIELS TALKED ABOUT RISK, I THINK THAT THE RISK THEY TAKE IS THAT HAS
TO ALL BE SIGNED OFF BEFORE THIS ACTIVITY CEASES. AND THAT LIST IS
PRETTY INCLUSIVE AND OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE TO CRITERIA
THAT WE ESTABLISHED. I THINK THAT IS THE GREATER RISK AND I THINK THEY
ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH.
AND YOU ARE NOT GOING MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND NOT KEEP IT AT LEAST FOR
THE LIFE OF THE FRANCHISE. AND I THINK THAT WAS, THAT COMMENT, I KNOW
WAS A CONCERN OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I FEEL THAT WE HAVE
ADDRESSED IT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ORDNANCES AND THE CONTRACT THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.
AT THIS POINT, WE CAN, ANYMORE QUESTIONS OF ME OR MR. DENNIEEN AND THEN
YOU CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I NOTICED YOU TURNED ON YOUR LIGHT MR. ECKERT.
WILLING TO WAIT IN LINE FOR THE COUNCIL?
I WAS
GOING TO FURTHER ADDRESS
ARE YOU
THE QUESTION.
OKAY, THEN MS. DENYS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST POINTS OF CLARIFICATION, WE HAVE TOUCHED ON,
WE HAVE TOUCHED ON SOME, BUT I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR IDENTIFYING THE
PARCELS AND THE TWEAKING AND CLARIFICATION THAT I HAVE ASKED FOR AND
OTHERS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND DELINEATING IN THE GUARANTEE OFFERER
FOREMAN'S THAT WHICH WAS STATED. I AM NOT LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I AM NOT
AN ATTORNEY, I WANT TO KNOW THAT IT IS IN THERE AND YOU HAVE DONE IT.
IT MIGHT BE REDUNDANT, BUT IT IS IN THERE. HERE IS SOME OF MY, HERE
ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, I WANT--SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, I WANT TO BE
VERY AND ON THE RECORD, THE DEVELOPERS, WILL THEY PAY FOR THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT, INCLUDING STORM WATER,
PERMITTING.
FOR THEIR SPACES.
FOR THEIR SPACES. IN THE CASE OF
RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS
YEAR AGO.
THE OTHER
PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY--WE ARE
THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE WERE HERE
A
CORRECT.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS A GREAT POSITION AND I THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH
US BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN LAST YEAR AND WHY I VOTED NO WAS BECAUSE
OUR CITIZENS HAD TO CROSS FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC AND WE WOULD TO HAVE
IMPROVED THE LOT. SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US ON THAT. ALSO A
HANDICAP ACCESS, I LEARN TODAY PUBLIC CONCERN WITH THAT, WE DO KNOW
THAT IT IS GOING TO BE ARK DA COMPLIANT.
ABSOLUTELY.
THE ACCESS RAMPS. AND LETS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEELCHAIRS IN THE
SAND, FOR THE SAND. IT IS A TIME TO BE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS THIS
QUESTION OR AFTER PUBLIC INPUT? WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL?
I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE IS A COUNTY ISSUE. AND TO BE HONEST
WITH YOU, SHOULD YOU MOVE AHEAD WITH THE ORDNANCES AND VOTE IT TO BE
THAT WAY SO WE NOW KNOW WHAT PROPERTY WE HAVE, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT
NOW, I THINK IT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE, IF WE ARE GOING DO IT
ALONG THE BEACH. AND I THINK WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS, THOSE ARE
RAMPS ATTACHED, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, THAT IS THE RIGHT
PLACE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO STORE THESE AND PUT THEM AND THEY
HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD
WITH THAT, THEN WE COULD BE TASKED WITH COMING FORWARD FOR A PLAN FOR
THE BEACH IN GENERAL.
WELL, WHAT IF A DEVELOPER WOULD OFFER TO DONATE CHAIRS, AND I AM
JUST TAKING THE DAYTONA BEACH AREA, BECAUSE THE BEACH IS NOT ALL
DAYTONA, I AM ALSO LOOKING AT SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA. SO WHILE WE ARE
TALKING ON THIS ISSUE, I WANT TO BE CLEAR TODAY THAT IT IS GOING
ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE ACCESS, ALL OF THE REST. BECAUSE WE USED TO
THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MONTHSING A.
NOT
ABOUT
TO
HAVE
WE CAN WORK ON PROVIDING IT BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN EQUAL BALANCE IN
TERMS OF THE PUBLIC ON HOW THEY USE THEM, AND DO NOT ABUSE THEM, IN
OTHER WORDS BECAUSE THERE ARE WAYS OF BRINGING IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS
AND WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH IT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND I WOULD SAY,
MS. DENYS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS I THINK THAT WHEN I THINK IT IS OUR
RESPONSIBILITY, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM NOT WILLING TO ASK THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, OKAY, TO MAKE THAT KIND OF CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE I
THINK IT HELPS EVERYONE THAT HAS INTEREST IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY
ALONG THE BEACH, TO BE PART OF THE SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR HANDICAPPED
PEOPLE. AND SO WE CAN CHALLENGE THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO
STEP UP. AND I THINK IT IS SOMETIMES AN ONE TIME CASH OUTLAY AND IT IS
DIFFERENT THAN WHEN PEOPLE DO SOMETHING ON AN ONGOING BASIS. SO IF YOU
MOVE FORWARD, YOU NEED TO CHALLENGE US TO COME ONE A PLAN AND WE LOOK
AT IT FOR THE WHOLE BEACH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TODAY, WE ARE TUCKING ALL
THINGS BEACH--WE ARE TALKING ALL THINGS BEACH AND HANDICAP ACCESS. BUT
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY ARE WILLING TO PARTNER
WITH THE COUNTY IN PROVIDING ADA COMPLIANT WHEELCHAIRS FOR THE ACCESS.
ONE MOMENT. [ INAUDIBLE - LOW
VOLUME ]
OKAY.
YES, SIR.
AND THEN WE WILL PROBABLY WANT
ANSWER THAT QUESTION, TOO.
MR. [ INAUDIBLE ] TO ALSO STEP UP
AND
I AM JIM MORSE, I REPRESENT THE DESERT INN AROUND WE WOULD USE THE
CHAIRS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DESIGNED, AND THEY HAVE ACQUIRED
SOME, I KNOW. AND YOU HAVE ISSUES ABOUT SECURITY. BUT WE WOULD
CONTRIBUTE THOSE TO THE COUNTY TO RELATION TO THE OFF BEACH PARKING IN
RELATION TO THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. SO WHEN YOU CREATE A
PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE A REQUIRED NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE
SPACES. AND I THINK THE CHAIRS WOULD WORK, PEOPLE USE THE WHEELCHAIR TO
GO DOWN THE ADA APPROVED RAMP AND USE THE BEACH CHAIR WHEN THEY GOT TO
THE SOFT SAND. SO THAT IS AN ISSUE OF HOW YOU SECURE THEM. BUT BEING
WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT TAKE UP EVERYBODY'S TIME TODAY TO WORK
OUT THE DETAILS, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES AS IT RELATE TOSS
THIS PARTICULAR PARKING FACILITY.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I DO NOT WANT TO GET DETAILS ON THAT.
HOWEVER, BUT I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU THERE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT
TAKE A REGULAR WHEELCHAIR DOWN THE RAMP, NOT VERY FAR, NOT VERY LONG, I
HAVE DONE IT WITH MY FATHER. THESE ARE WONDERFUL GIFTS TO ARRESTED
SENNS, SO THE DETAIL--TO OUR CITIZENS.
THE ANNALS TO THE QUESTION IS
YES.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU--THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION IS YES.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. AND IDENTIFY
YOURSELF.
I AM GLENN [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] OF THE HARD ROCK AND ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAD PLANNED ON DONATING WHEELCHAIRS BOTH AT THE LOCATION AND FOR
OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.
LIKE IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA?
LIKE IN SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA, YES.
IT IS ON THE RECORD, JUST SO
YOU KNOW.
IT IS ON THE RECORD AND I WILL TELL YOU, LIKE I SAID, HENRY IS VERY
COMMITTED TO DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN HE CAN TO MAKE--HE CAN TO MAKE
THIS A HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE BEACH.
THANK YOU, SIR.
AND MR. CHAIR, JUST, WITHOUT GETTING TOO REDUNDANT HERE, DEVELOPERS
WILL PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HANDICAP ACCESS AND ALL OF THE
PARKING AREAS WILL OPEN EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR, CORRECT?
YES.
SO THEY
WILL BE OPEN. --
THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD CHANGE
ARE IN CONTROL.
IS IF WE DECIDE TO
CHANGE US BECAUSE WE
BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, THEY ARE OPEN OTHER THAN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES.
OKAY, AND THIS ORDNANCE INCLUDES PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BEACH BEHIND
THE PROPOSE THE HARD ROCK AND WESTON?
IT IS ACTUALLY, IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO GET BEHIND, YES. IT IS ACTUALLY
NEXT TO, IN THE CASE OF THE WESTON. THE OTHERS PARKING LOT IS FURTHER
SOUTH.
ACTUALLY, AS
PART OF THE VACATION APPROACH--
THAT IS TRUE.
WE ALREADY REQUIRED THEM. THEY
PART OF THE COMPLETED PROJECT,
HAVE A TEMPORARY ACCESS THERE AND IT IS
THEY ARE REQUIRE TODAY PROVIDE A PUBLIC
ACCESS ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS
NORTHERN OR SOUTHERN BUT WE PROVIDED
SO DEPENDING ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HARD ROCK, WHICH COULD BE
ANOTHER 218.
AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 150 AT THE WESTIN.
AT A PRICE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US. YOU MAKE THAT CLEAR AND THEN
QUITE FRANKLY THAT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE A LOSS
MORE SPACES AT A MORE STRATEGIC PLACE SOMEWHERE.
AND ALL OCEAN FRONT?
ALL OCEAN FRONT.
OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M DONE MR.
CHAIR. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, MR. LOWRY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. BUT I GUESS THAT IT IS THIS AREA TOO ONCE
COMPLETED, HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY WILL BE GREATLY IMPROVED.
IT'S
CORRECT.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT,
MR. DANIELS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE, BUT
I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE HENRY WITH THE DETERMINATION HE HAS SHOWN
TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. I'M SURE HE CAME ON SEEING ANY EXPENSIVE
LAND, PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT FLIPPING IN AND NOT DOING ANYTHING, FELL
IN LOVE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR US. IT
WOULD BE A TERRIFIC PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE IN THAT DON'T
NORMALLY COME HERE. ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. AGAIN THOUGH MY CONCERNS ARE
REALLY KIND OF THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S UNCERTAINTY CONCERNING
THE RIGHTS WE ARE GRANTING, PARTICULARLY WITH THE HARD ROCK. I MEAN
THEY'RE GOING OUT LONGER. AND THEY'RE GOING OUT PAST AN ELECTION.
THEY'RE GOING OUT PAST THE REFERENDUM. AND IT SEEMS TO ME NOT A VERY
GOOD POSITION TO PUT THEM IN. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH
US IN GETTING THIS OTHER LAND. AND TO GIVE IT TO US.
AND MORE OFF
BEACH PARKING THAN WE'LL BE TAKING AWAY BY THEIR PROJECT. IT SPEAKS
WELL TO THEM. IT SPEAKS WELL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEHIND IT. I MET
WITH HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, I GUESS WHAT YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE IMPRESSES ME AS A GENTLEMAN AND KNOWS WHAT
HE'S DOING. SO I REALLY DO THINK THIS PROJECT IS ON THE ROAD. I THINK
THAT YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN PUT IT OVER THE LINE. THANK YOU.
AND MR. ECKHART DO YOU
HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
YES, SIR. IN RESPONDING TO MR. DANIELS COMMENTS AND HIS QUESTIONS
EARLIER. THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS INCAPABLE OF ELIMINATING ALL THE RISKS
AT THIS MATTER, GIVEN THE PETITION, WHICH HAS BEEN CIRCULATING. HERE
IS WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT PETITION, HOWEVER. I BELIEVE IT IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL ON MULTIPLE LEVELS, NOT LEAST OF WHICH PERTINENT
TODAY. THE FACT THAT IF IT IS ADOPTED THAT IT INVALIDATES AN ACTION
THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL MAY TAKE TODAY. IT IS CLEARLY LAWFUL AT THE
TIME IT WAS PASSED. IF IT IS PASSED. SO IN THAT REGARD THAT'S AMONG
THE ISSUES OF THE CONSTITUTIONALITY. AND THERE ARE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL
PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD COME IN TO THEIR PATH.
AND THE REASONS THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED MR. DANIELS. THAT THE
CHARTER AMENDMENT IF IT WERE TO COME TO BE SHOULD NOT BE APPLIED WITH
THE CIRCUMSTANCE. AND THERE'S A STRONG BALANCING OF INTEREST. I WOULD
SAY IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING ME THE ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD TAKE.
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ALL THOSE CONTINGENCIES BECAUSE I START WITH THE
PREMISE. AND THAT THE COUNCIL IS ENTITLED IF IT SEES FIT TO ADAPT THE
ORDINANCE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND WE WOULD DEFEND THAT
ACTION IF IT IS CHALLENGED. AND I ADVISE YOU IN MY VIEW THE CHARTER
AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING CIRCULATED AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. THAT
IT MAY BE WORTH SOME SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION. BUT YOUR ACTIONS LAWFUL
TODAY. THAT THEY ARE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES INVOLVED, WHICH MAY
MITIGATE THAT RISK ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS, BUT WE CANNOT ELIMINATE
ALL OF THEM.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN I THINK MAKING IT RETROACTIVE PROBABLY
COULD WITH THE CHANCES OF IT SUSTAINING. I DON'T THINK IT WAS MUCH TO
BEGIN WITH, BUT THAT PROBABLY DID. THAT WAS PROBABLY OVERREACHING.
BUT YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT DON'T VEST IT RIGHT. BUT MAY
CHANGE AFTER THE ELECTION. I DO KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME
POSSIBILITIES OF CAUSES OF ACTION AGAINST THE COUNTY SHOULD THAT HAPPEN
AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
I CANNOT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY WAIVING AT THE DEFENSES THAT THE
COUNTY MAY HAVE AT THAT TIME. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE EXPERIENCED COUNCIL,
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT SAYS, BUT I START WITH THE
PRINCIPLE. WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IF YOU CHOOSE WHAT'S BEFORE YOU
TODAY IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT IS A LAWFUL ACTION. THAT THEY COULD NOT
BE APPLIED RETROACTIVELY IN THIS CASE.
AND THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
THESE GUYS VEST THEIR RIGHTS WAS. YOU KNOW, THE POINT. AND THIS IS
JUST A QUESTION AND ANSWER.
AND IF THEY WORKED THEIR OWN. AND TO BE BONDING UPON THIS BODY.
AND IF THERE WERE NO CHARTER AMENDMENT AND YOU ADOPTED TODAY AND
IN RELIANCE. I CAN'T WAIVE ANY DEFENSES TO COME TO BE BECAUSE OF THE
CHARTER AMENDMENT.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND AMONG THIS
PROBLEM AS A RETROACTIVE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. WAGNER.
IT WOULD BE A SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE, IT'S UNIQUE. I MEAN THEY CAN
ENFORCE IT, RIGHT DAN? THEY CAN ARGUE A SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE. I MEAN
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF TRIGGERS.
AND THE TIME THEY MADE THIS
DECISION AND THEY HAD ARGUED TO THE COURT SPECIFICS. THE ACTION IS
LAWFUL TODAY AMONG THE ISSUES WHICH HAVE COME TO PASS IS WHETHER OR NOT
THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD AFFECT AN IMPAIRMENT OF CONTRACT. FLORIDA
ADHERES TO BALANCING OF INTEREST WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS AN IMPAIRMENT
OF CONTRACT. BUT THAT BALANCING OF INTEREST, THE REACTION THAT THE
COUNCIL TAKES TODAY.
AND A LONG INCIDENTAL EFFECT.
NOT ONE THAT TARGETS WHAT IT ENTERS IN TO. I MEAN WE CAN'T COMMENT
HOW IT MIGHT ALL PLAY OUT IN THE FUTURE. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE
CONSTITUTION PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD COME IN TO PLAY.
THANKS.
ALL RIGHT, I DO
WE'VE HAD HERE.
HAVE ONE QUESTION HERE KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE
THE AREA OF THE HARD ROCK. IS THAT THE ONE-WAY DRIVING?
IT'S NOT A PART OF THE ONE-WAY DRIVING AREA KIND OF EXTENT. I GOT
THE, OKAY, IT IS.
DO WE NEED TO INCORPORATE. WE ALREADY LOOKED AT
ALL THOSE AREAS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE NEWSPAPER DEPENDING UPON HOW
IT WOULD FUNCTION THAT IT MAY HAVE TO MAKE THEM TWO WAYS. THAT'S
SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ROUTINELY DO.
NO.
AND I ALREADY HAVE, IN ORDERS I CAN'T COMPOSURE DO IT. I KNOW THAT WE
HAVE AGREED THAT WE CAN MAKE EVERY CHANGE WITH NO PROBLEM WITH BEACH
SAFETY. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CAUTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, VERY WELL. OKAY IS THERE ANY FURTHER STAFF REPORT ON THIS
MATTER. GIVEN THE THREE ORDINANCES. OKAY SEEING HOW THIS IS GOING TO
BE, WE'LL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORTING SESSION AT THIS POINT. WITH THE
PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A 10-MINUTE
BREAK.
MOVE FOR RECESS.
WE WILL TAKE THAT RECESS. WE
WILL BE IN RECESS --
MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR.
CALM, EVERYBODY. HOLD ON.
ORDER. BEFORE YOU GO OFF AND LET EVERYONE ON RECESS AND CLARIFY THE
ISSUE IF YOU WANT MULTIPLE PEOPLE, SOMEONE TO SPEAK FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
OKAY.
HERE'S THE DEAL. I HAVE A COUPLE OF PILES HERE THAT PEOPLE
HAVE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE GROUPS OF THREE OR MORE PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE
THREE OR MORE PEOPLE IN ONE GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A GROUP
AND YOU CHOOSE ONE SPEAKER TO SPEAK FOR THAT GROUP WE WILL ALLOW SIX
MINUTES FOR THAT GROUP OF THREE OR MORE. IF YOU HAVE DONE SO OR IF YOU
HAVE NOT DONE SO AND YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF MS ZIMMERMAN HERE. WE'LL
FIND YOUR SLIP, WE'LL PUT YOU TOGETHER, WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE GROUP
ON TOP AND WE WILL ALLOW THAT PERSON SIX MINUTES. EVERYBODY ELSE WILL
GET THREE MINUTES AS AN INDIVIDUAL. AND SOMEONE SPEAKING FOR MULTIPLE
PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED.
AND THE CHAIR WAS SPECIFICALLY NAMED THE PEOPLE THAT THAT PERSON
BEFORE. THAT WAY WE HAVE REASSURANCE THAT YOU HAVE THE SLIP AND THE
PEOPLE ARE HERE. AND IT'S NOT SOMEONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE NOT HERE AND
IT WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY SPEAK. AND WOULD YOU
BELIEVE THAT YOUR NAME IS NOT RED FOR SOME REASON. THE CHAIR WILL ASK
THE NAMES. IF YOUR NAME IS NOT THERE, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW AND YOU
DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SLIP ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND A FEW MORE LITTLE SUB NOTES HERE. AS I HAVE SAID IN EVERY COUNCIL
MEETING BEFORE, I'LL READ THE DISCLAIMER, BUT WE DON'T DO APPLAUSE AND
CHEERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS A NORMAL THING. ALSO PLEASE TURN
OFF YOUR CELL PHONES, YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES. BECAUSE YOU'D LIKE
EVERYBODY TO BE QUIET AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SO PLEASE BE
CONSIDERATE OF THE OTHERS.
ONE MORE THING, MR. CHAIR. FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, WE DO THIS
ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH A LARGE GROUP. THE CHAIR WILL ANNOUNCE
THE PERSON THAT WILL SPEAK, BUT SILVER PEOPLE ON DECK -- SEVERAL PEOPLE
ON DECK THAT ARE NEXT. THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIRS WILL BE FOR UPFRONT. ONE
OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO THAT. IF SOMEONE GETS DONE SPEAKING, HE'LL
CALL THE NEXT NAME. AND THAT PERSON WILL BE SEVERAL PEOPLE DOWN.
THAT'LL GIVE SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY ARE DOWNSTAIRS, FOR
EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER ROOM DOWNSTAIRS, THEY'LL
HAVE TIME TO COME UPSTAIRS, THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND GET IN A ROOM TO
BE RECOGNIZED.
OKAY.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE GROUND RULES CLEARED OUT, WHAT WE'LL
DO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A TEN-MINUTE RECESS. WE WILL RECONVENE AT
10:25. SO WE NEED TO BE BACK HERE SO WE CAN GET THIS GOING. ALL RIGHT?
WE WILL BE IN RECESS.
CHAMBER, PLEASE COME TO ORDER.
IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE FIND YOUR SEATS, TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONE,
TURN OFF THE NOISE MAKING, ELECTRONIC DEVICES.
OKAY, ONE MOMENT. IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT GATHERED, WE HAVE A
COUPLE OF PILES HERE.
OKAY, WE WILL NOW CONTINUE ON WITH OUR, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THIS MEETING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING
REFERENCE ORDINANCES. 205.1-7, AND 205.15-08. I WILL NOW READ THE
DISCLAIMER. THE HAVE LUCIA COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR
COMMENTS. HOW DO YOU RECOGNIZE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE
RECORD.
AND WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE COUNTY COUNCIL DOES NOT
ANSWER QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS DURING THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION.
PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL TO THE USE OF OTHERS, PERSONAL
ATTACKS, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE COUNTY STAFF, OR MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
AND ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, YOU DO ADDRESS
THE CHAIR YOU SPEAK TO THE CHAIR. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS AND WE WILL ASK
QUESTIONS AS NECESSARY. ALL RIGHT, IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION
FOR ME TO MAKE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. AND WHAT WE'RE WE'RE
GOING TO DO IS ALTERNATE. I'M GOING TO CALL A SERIES OF NAMES, THESE
PEOPLE PLEASE COME UP. THERE ARE FIVE CHAIRS RESERVED TO THE LEFT SIDE
OF THE MAIN GALLERY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IF PEOPLE
ARE DOWNSTAIRS OR IF I CALL. I KNOW, BUT OKAY.
IN THEORY THEY'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME. OKAY, HERE WE GO. I'M GOING TO
CALL FROM ONE FROM EACH PILE HERE. JOHN NICHOLSON. YOU'RE THE FIRST
ONE UP HERE THIS MORNING. LINDA BROWN LEE, LINDA LEE? LINDA BROWN LEE?
OKAY SHE MAY BE DOWNSTAIRS.
IT LOOKS LIKE A DCHUS. OKAY, WE'LL PUT YOU IN TO THAT PILE. OF
COURSE. OVER THERE. OKAY, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE. CHARLES. ARE YOU
HERE, SIR? IS THAT YOU, SIR?
I WOULD LIKE TO
FILL THESE
OKAY, SO I DO HAVE THOSE TWO
CHAIRS, PLEASE.
COMING UP FROM THE TRAINING ROOM.
CLAUDIA ROSE, IS THAT YOU?
AND THE LAST ONE TO CALL FOR THIS ROUND AND AS I COME FORWARD TO
PICK AN EMPTY SEAT. I'LL BE CALLING THE NEXT NAME TO FILL THE SHEET.
ARE YOU PRESENT? COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? OH THERE YOU ARE. THERE WE
GO, OKAY. THE FIRST SPEAKERS, JOHN THERE, YOU ARE. OKAY, I HAVE
ANOTHER PERSON COMING UP.
SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. THE CONTRACT WHICH WE DISCUSSED WOULD BE
CONSIDERED BY, I ANTICIPATE BY SEPARATE MOTION AFTER 2015-7. BUT IT IS
APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPEAKERS TO ADDRESS THEMSELVES TO ANY OR ALL OF
SUCH ITEMS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE UNCLEAR TO TALK TO THEM ALL, IF
THEY COULD TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ONE IF THAT'S THEIR FOCUS. BUT
THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON EACH OF THE ITEMS.
YES, THE RULES OF
AT HAND IS THESE
I-4 EXPANSION OR
EVEN THE ISSUE OF
ORDER, YOU SPEAK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. AND THE ISSUE
THREE ORDINANCES. IF YOU TALK ABOUT SUN RAIL OR THE
EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN VOTES, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT
SIGN UP PARTITIONS. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
MR. CHAIR IN A CLOSER-RELATED ISSUE, THAT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE ORDINANCES. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AT HAND.
SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL
HAVE -YOU CAN SPEAK.
YES, ABOUT THE PARKING LOT AND
YES. YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT
AMENDMENTS TOO.
THE CONTRACT.
ANYTHING IN ORDINANCES 201-5
AND ALL
OKAY, GOT YOU.
AND THE CONTRACT.
THAT'S ALL YOU SHOULD. AND IT IS ACTUALLY, IT'S
NOT A PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS A PART OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WE
ENCOURAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THAT ISSUE IF THAT IS WHAT MR.
MICKLESON WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. WITH ALL THAT SAID, ANYTHING ELSE?
OKAY, VERY GOOD. WITH THAT SAID, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,
SIR, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
A WALK ON THE BEACH EVERY MORNING. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVING
ON THE BEACH. AND DRIVING BACK FROM FLAGLER OF OUR COUNTY. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE DRIVING ON THE
BEACH. HOWEVER THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, THE RED SAND AND THE RISING TIDES.
AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS IN GOD'S HAND. IF GOD WANTS IT, FINE,
I DON'T ARGUE WITH GOD.
IN TAKING LAND FROM DAYTONA BEACH AND
PUTTING PARKING. ASPHALT OVER THE SAND DUNES.
FOR FIVE TO TEN MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE CITY CONFERENCE EVERY
YEAR IT'S A MAJOR LOSS TO THE CITY IT MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT TO YOU,
BUT WE CAN DO A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT WITH $10 MILLION A YEAR. THOSE
PROJECTS, NOT ONLY THE LOSS OF THE BUILDING AND THE TAXES AND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHATEVER, BUT THE MONEY THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD
SPEND IF THERE WAS A HOTEL IN THAT PROJECT IS ALSO A LOSS TO THE CITY.
AND COMPENSATING THE CITY WHEN YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AWAY FROM THE CITY.
20 YEARS AGO AND ASK FOR NO BEACH DRIVING.
AND WHEN WE TOOK THAT NO DRIVE OFF, WE DID END UP WITH FOUR HOTELS
AND A SHOPPING CENTER. A FIFTH ONE BECAUSE OF VARIOUS REASONS IN
LAWSUITS DID NOT GO IN. WHICH IS NOW DEVELOPED WAS GOING TO BE
DEVELOPED.
IT'S THE CITY'S FAULT THAT IT WAS NOT.
SINCE THAT HAPPENED, THE
PEOPLE THAT PUT TOGETHER FOUR CITY BLOCKS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY LEFT TOWN. SO NOW IT'S MULTIPLE OWNERS AGAIN. THE RESIDENTS NEAR
THERE, THE NORTH END WITH THIS PROJECT GOING TO THE DESERT END, THOSE
NEIGHBORS ARE NICE. NICE HOUSES. THE PROPERTY, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.
AND THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO NOT LOSE ONE SINGLE CAR ON THE BEACH. THE
AREA THAT WE WANTED TO DEVELOP.
THANK YOU, SIR.
AND THERE IS A CLOCK RIGHT HERE UNDER THE POSITION.
AND ABOUT 10 TO 15 SECONDS YOU DO NEED TO START WRAPPING IT UP.
I BUTCHERED HIS NAME BEFORE. IS HE HERE? ARE YOU HERE?
NO.
OKAY. OKAY, NEVER MIND. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CALL ANOTHER NAME.
AMANDA JONES, PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE TRIED TO DO THIS IN SEVERAL
WAYS. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING ON. CLAUDIA ROSE. MS ROSE, WILL YOU
PLEASE STAND UP HERE. BOB WILLIAMS, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, WE CAN GO
THROUGH THIS LIST REAL FAST. MARTIN. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEFER
TO THAT ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU AT? OKAY, NEVER MIND. NO, HOLD ON.
YOU STAY RIGHT THERE. ARE YOU HERE? HERE SHE COMES. MS ROSE, PLEASE
GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CLAUDIA ROSE.
I LIVE AT 701 SOUTH OF ATLANTA AVENUE.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TODAY, AND MY LIFE IS
GOING TO CHANGE.
AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT SIDE. THE
ATTORNEY IS SPEAKING ENGLISH, AND PEOPLE AFTER PEOPLE AND FOR THE
PEOPLE. YOUR LEADERS IN THESE FIVE DISTRICTS. LET US FOLLOW YOU.
THAT YOU PUT THIS HOT TOPIC AWAY TODAY AND HAVE ALL YOUR COUNCIL
MEMBERS OVER THE NEXT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, HAVE TOWN MEETINGS SO YOU
CAN GET THE CITIZENS WITH YOU. IF YOU WILL RECALL DURING THE AFFORDABLE
CARE ACT WE SAW SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN FROM THE COUNTRY, FROM
DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, SPEAKING OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS, TRYING TO GET THEM
ON BOARD. I THINK THIS IS A TOPIC WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CITIZENS
ON BOARD. AND SO IF YOU HAVE THESE TOWN HOME MEETINGS, THIS IS NOT THE
VENUE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU SAID, MR. WAGNER, MS DENYS, MR.
PATTERSON, WE CAN SPEAK TO THEM AND SAY AND YOU'RE SHOWING US THESE
PARCELS AND THIS OH MY GOODNESS. BUT IF IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU
CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, IT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL. AND MAYBE WE'RE
FRIGHTENED. MAYBE IT'S WORSE. BUT UNLESS WE CAN MEET WITH YOU AND FIND
OUT WHAT'S IN STORED FOR US, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND THAT'S WHY WE
ARE SORT OF AGAINST IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. IT IS JUST THE FEAR OF
THE UNKNOWN. SO ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT THIS TOPIC AWAY,
IT IS TOO HOT AND TO HAVE TOWN HOME MEETINGS AND FIND OUT TO GET THE
CITIZENS BEHIND YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU, MA'AM. ARE YOU
HERE? OKAY, COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT THERE IN THAT FRONT ROW. I
FINALLY FOUND SOMEBODY.
LINDA BROWNLEY? OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE NEXT. STEP UP TO THE
PODIUM AND I JUST FOUND SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SEAT FOR YOU.
THANK YOU.
WHERE ARE YOU AT, SIR?
I LIVE AT 1011 GRAND CIRCLE.
ALL OVER VOLUSIA COUNTY.
I LIVE IN DAYTONA, BORN IN DAYTONA,
LIVED
AND I, WE MUST KEEP ON BEING FOCAL AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO
FIGHT. IN A FEW MILES THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DRIVE, A FAIR COMPROMISE
MUST SURVIVE. PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR HEARTFELT QUESTIONS AND KEEP IN MIND
THAT THEY ARE OUR CHOICES. MAY DEPEND ON TODAY. AND IT IS TAKEN AWAY,
THE SUNSET BEACH, PROMISES TO US AGAIN YOU HAVE DEPARTED.
AND TO
BECOME INSTEAD OUT OF REACH.
AND THE CAR-FREE ZONES REMAIN FOR THE REST.
TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES, YOU MAY BE GONE WITHIN A YEAR.
IS SHE PRESENT IN THIS ROOM?
I'M JUST FILLING THE ROW AND I'LL CALL YOUR NAME. OKAY.
STATE YOUR NAME.
GREW UP HERE, WENT TO SEA BREEZE.
PLEASE
YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I SUPPORT BEACH DRIVING AND OPPOSE THE THREE OUT ORDINANCES, WHICH
YOU WILL ADDRESS TODAY.
THE BEACH CHARTER SECTION WAS CREATED BY
VOTERS AND SERIOUS CHALLENGES TO WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE VOTED ON BY THE
PEOPLE.
LET VOLUSIA VOTE WOULD ALLOW THE VOTERS AND CITIZENS OF
VOLUSIA COUNTY TO CHOOSE OUR OWN FATE. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO TODAY AND
SUPPORT OUR LIBERTY. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU. MICKEY PENDERSON R.
YOU HERE? DAVID LEE DAVIS. YOU CAN COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT HERE. IF YOU
WILL PLEASE BARE WITH ME IN A MOMENT HERE. COME FORWARD. SEEING THAT
WOULD TAKE CARE OF A FEW OF THOSE THREE. IS THAT YOU? OKAY I JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT YOU. IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED HERE WITH
THE PILES OF THE PAPER. ALL RIGHT. MICKEY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND I
GUESS YOUR POSITION. AND YOU ALL HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, SIR. AND I RUN A SMALL MOTEL THAT I OWN ON BEACH SIDE ON
THE WEST SIDE OF ATLANTIC AVENUE. 1700 STUDIO ONE MOTEL. ONLY A 16ROOM MOTEL. HIGHLY RANKED.
FOR WHAT IT DOES. GOOGLE IT WHENEVER.
I'M IN FAVOR OF BEACH DRIVING. BUT WHAT I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF THAN THAT
IS TO LET CITIZENS ROAM. I CANNOT LET THEM VOTE AMONG THE RESIDENTS OF
THE COUNTY.
THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES AND I'M HERE TO
LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT IS NOT ALL MEMBERS OF THE DAYTONA BEACH
CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE THAT SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES. I WAS A MEMBER OF
THE DAYTONA BEACH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE FOR YEARS UNTIL THIS.
AND I RAISED THE FAMILY HERE. IT WORKS BEAUTIFUL. THAT I KNOW
PERSONALLY. THEY FAVOR THE BEACH DRIVING. A LOT OF THEM. I CAN'T SPEAK
FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT THE ONES I DO KNOW AND TALK TO PERSONALLY, A LOT
OF THEM OVERSEAS. THAT YES, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE KNOWN FOR AND THAT IS
WHY THEY EVEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE HERE. I LOVE IT, OPEN THE TRUNK. IT'S
LOVELY.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. SPLIT THE BEACH UP IN TO
DIFFERENT SECTIONS I KEEP HEARING THIS SECTION OVER HERE. WE'RE GOING
TO STOP. THAT'S FOR THE WEST END SECTION OVER HERE WE'RE GOING TO STOP
IT FOR THE HARD ROCK. AND NOW THIS MORNING THERE WAS TALK ABOUT OPENING
UP A SECTION. IT WOULD HANDICAP ACCESS PEOPLE FOR THEM TO BE. I MEAN
WE'RE SPLITTING EVERYTHING UP IN TWO SECTIONS. IT MAKES NO SENSE. THE
BEACH IS FOR ALL OF US. I HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT AND LET THEM VOTE
ON IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR. GEORGIA, YOU'RE NEXT AT THE MICROPHONE AND I'M LOOKING
FOR TOM HARVEY. AND SIR THE GENTLEMAN THERE IN THE RED, YOUR NAME IS?
CHRIS RUTLEDGE. ARE YOU HERE? DID SHE EVER SHOW UP? OKAY, I'LL PUT HER
OVER HERE IN THIS PILE. DONNA CRAIG AND STANLEY ESKADERO, I KNOW YOU'RE
HERE. IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT, SIR. AND MS DONNA CRAIG WHEN
SHE'S HERE. YOU'RE HERE, I HAVE A SEAT FOR YOU IN THE FRONT. OKAY, MS
JENKINS.
THANK
YOU, SIR.
MY NAME IS JENKINS. I LIVE EAST OF HOLLY HILL. AND FOR TODAY I'M NOT
HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR OR BEFORE BEACH DRIVING. IT IS LESS ABOUT THESE
DRIVING THAN ABOUT THE PUBLIC ACCESS. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH YOU HERE.
AND THE POTENTIAL FOR
IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING TODAY SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUTURE CORE
AREAS.
AND IN THE PARKING LOTS. THAT RADAR IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT PARKING
SPACES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE HISTORICAL LIFE THOSE DON'T NEED TO BE
ATTACHED TO YOUR OUTSIDE INVESTOR FOR US TO HAVE THAT INVESTMENT.
WILL ALLOW, OKAY? SO WHATEVER, JEFF, WHERE ARE YOU? ARE YOU READY?
OKAY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE VIDEO AND START THE CLOCK. START
THE CLOCK AND SHOW THE VIDEO. AFTER EVERYTHING IS SAFE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU.
AND
THANK YOU.
IF
I COULD FIND MY GLASSES.
AND TODAY IS GOING TO BE A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. I THINK IT'S
FITTING.
AND I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU. AND THAT'S
BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND HOWEVER TODAY MY MESSAGE IS MORE SERIOUS. AND IT IS COSTING
US MONEY.
AND THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT CALL. AND IT IS NOT MEASURED BY
OUR RESOLVE TO PROTECT OUR PRINCIPLES.
AND ARE YOU GOING TO BEACH CLASS?
AND
TO GET US TO THE HEART OF THE ORDINANCES.
AND WE'LL START THE CLOCK.
AND THE SLAVE THAT'S THE FIRST IN
OF LIBERTY.
BOSTON AND IN 1770 FOR THE CAUSE
BUT SO GREAT THE CAUSE OF LIBERTY THAT THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES
PROTECTING IT FOR EVERY SOLDIER WHO EVER PUT ON A UNIFORM. ALL OF THESE
PEOPLE SAW LIBERTY AS SOMETHING SACRED. LIBERTY IS A PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO
VOTE FOR A RIGHT OF CERTAIN CLASSES OF PEOPLE TO EVEN BE ALLOWED TO
VOTE. LIBERTY IS AN ABSOLUTE, WHICH SHOULD NEVER BE COMPROMISED FOR
CONVENIENCE OR ECONOMIC REWARD. DOING SO -CALLED TO SPEAK UP AND
SPEAK OUT. WE STRIKE A BLOW BETWEEN FREEDOM INDECENCY AND JUSTICE. THE
IMPENDING ACTION OF THIS COUNCIL TO PASS THESE THREE ORDINANCES AT
BEST. FROM BEING CERTIFIED, NOT SUPPORTING THE WISHES OF YOUR PEOPLE
CAN ONLY BE COMPARED TO THE RULE OF KING GEORGE.
CHRIS RELICH.
STATE
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE
RECORD.
CHRIS RUTLEDGE. 208 WALL STREET DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA.
I'D LIKE TO
THANK THE COUNTY MEMBER AND THE COUNTY STAFF FOR THEIR ATTENTION ON
THIS MATTER. FIRST OFF I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NOT A TOURISM
VERSE TRADITION ISSUE. MY BUSINESS RELIES ON THESE TOURISTS. THESE
TOURISTS THAT SUPPORT MY BUSINESS COMES FROM BEACH DRIVING.
AND THAT
THE BEACH DRIVING GIVES US.
THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES
WHERE YOU SAY THE DAY TRIPPERS WHO DO NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT DAYTONA'S
REVENUE THAT YOU'RE SEEKING THAT THEY WOULD COME AND TELL ME. THAT NEXT
YEAR I'M STAYING THE WEEK IN DAYTONA AND A DAY IN ORLANDO. WE LOSE THAT
MARKETING ADVANTAGE WHEN WE GET RID OF THE CARS. TO DIRECT MY ATTENTION
TO THE COUNCIL NOW, YOUR JOB AS ELECTED OFFICIALS IS TO CARRY OUT THE
WILL OF THE PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT TASKED WITH SOME PIE IN THE SKY
DIRECTIVE TO DO WHAT YOU DEEM NECESSARY OR BEST FOR THE COUNTY. YOU
ULTIMATELY ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE IN YOUR TOP PRIORITY AND WE ARE YOUR
TOP PRIORITY. AND WE AS A MAJORITY DO NOT SUPPORT THESE ORDINANCES. I
ASK YOU TO NOT LET THE DEVELOPERS BULLY YOU. THE HARD ROCK AS IT
ALREADY INITIALLY STATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE CARS. IN FACT
SOME OF THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS STILL DISPLAY THE CARS ON THE BEACH IN
FRONT OF THEIR HOTEL. THEY HAVE SHOWN THEIR HAND ON THIS, THE ISSUE IS
NOT A DEAL BREAKER FOR THEM. THEY ARE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DAYTONA.
THEY DO THE RIGHT THING, AND THEY HOLD THEM TO THEIR ORIGINAL
AGREEMENT. AS FOR THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT, THE 60 SPACES IS GOING IN
ON WISTERIA. TO ME THAT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE PRIVATE
BEACH. THAT WISTERIA AREA IS NOWHERE NEAR THE HARD ROCK. SO YES THEY
HAVE THE WALK WAY THERE. THERE WILL BE NO PARKING LOT TO GET -- PARKING
TO GET BEHIND THERE. YOU REMEMBER THE CARS FROM THAT, YOU ARE GIVING
THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T AND THAT IS A PRIVATE BEACH.
AS A CLOSING STATEMENT, I WANT EVERYBODY HERE TO REALIZE THAT THIS WILL
NOT END WITH THIS VOTE TODAY. THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE DECIDED IN THE
POLLS AT THE NEXT ELECTION. YOUR VOTE HERE WILL FOLLOW.
FOLLOW YOU
FOR THE REST OF YOUR POLITICAL CAREERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALL RIGHT, THANK
YOU. DONNA CRANK.
HI, MY NAME IS DONNA CRAIG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE GREW UP HERE TO MOVE
TO THIS AREA WHEN WE WERE TWO YEARS OLD AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
AND SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. TO DISCOVER THE WAY IT HAS BEEN CHOPPED UP.
AND ANY FINANCIAL GAIN TO THE AREA AND THAT IT DOES EXACTLY THE
OPPOSITE. SO MY HOPE IS THAT YOU WILL LET VOLUSIA VOTE, THAT YOU WILL
GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND
THAT I HOPE YOU'LL LISTEN TO THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MR.
STANLEY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, 3034 SOUTH PENINSULA AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND
ALSO AT THE VERY END WITH LARYNGITIS AND UNABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
TODAY. I SPEAK BEFORE YOU AS -- ONE WHO GREW UP IN DAYTONA.
LOVE THE BEACH.
IF I COULD HAVE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I WOULD RETURN IT TO THE
SITUATION EXISTED IN THE 40s AND THE 50s. YOU COULD DRIVE AT NIGHT AND
HAVE BOND FIRES AND KEG PARTIES AND TAKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO THE BEACH
AND WATCH THE MARINE RACES AND ALL EVERYTHING. BUT MUCH LIKE THE
MISSPENT YOUTH AND OTHER THINGS THAT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE. TODAY OUR
COUNTY AND ITS RESOURCES FACE EVER INCREASING POPULATION WITH VASTLY
EXPANDED GOVERNMENT. TO RESPOND TO THE DEMANDS FOR SERVICES PLACED ON
IT BY ITS CITIZENS. AND IN THIS CHANGE ORDER.
VOTING REFERENCES TO THE PEOPLE WE ELECTED YOU AS THE FOUNDERS
INTENDED US TO TO DO YOUR JOB AND EXERCISE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT ON THIS
CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL DO EXACTLY THAT. WE PRAY
FOR YOUR WISDOM, AND WE APPLAUD WHAT WE ARE CONFIDENT WILL BE YOUR GOOD
JUDGMENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU. ARE YOU HERE? I SAW HIM RUNNING AROUND SOMEWHERE. THERE
YOU ARE. DID YOU FALL ASLEEP? COME FORWARD AFTER THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL
BE FIRST. YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. WE'RE GETTING TO A HALFWAY
POINT HERE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OR
ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT ATTACHED?
I ONLY SPEAK FOR
MYSELF.
OKAY. I NOTICED THAT I
HAD TWO HERE.
I SPEAK FOR NO ONE ELSE.
OKAY.
NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
255 EUCLID AVENUE DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
TO YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS TODAY. I KNOW IT'S HURT A LOT OF
FEELINGS THIS LITTLE CAMPAIGN TO TAKE AWAY THE FINAL DECISION ON BEACH
AVENUE FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HANDS, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT
WITH THE RIGHTS THEY HAVE TO VOTE TO RATIFY YOUR DECISION ON A BOND.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO HIS OPINION ABOUT OUR FORMER GOVERNMENT, SOME
DECISIONS RISE ON BEYOND A FEW ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SIR, SIR ORDER. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THIS STACK IN FRONT OF YOU
REPRESENTS 800 SIGNED CHARTER AMENDMENT PETITIONS. IF I SQUISH THEM
DOWN REAL GOOD, I THINK THAT 1,000 CAN FIT IN THIS BOX. THIS BOX IS SIX
INCHES TALL. WHEN YOU ADD UP WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN IN THE FALL AND WHAT
SHE IS CERTIFIED AS VALID. WHEN YOU TAKE THE 1700 THAT HAVE BEEN
DECLARED INVALID FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. AND THE ONES RIGHT HERE ON
THIS TABLE. IT'S OVER 17,300 PETITIONS. IF YOU STACK THEM UP IT'S MORE
THAN NINE FEET TALL. THAT'S BIGGER THAN ME, BIGGER THAN YOU, BIGGER
THAN HE WHO WILL NOT BE DEFERRED TO.
SIR, PLEASE DO NOT POINT OUT
YOUR POINT.
INDIVIDUALS. THIS IS YOUR TIME TO
MAKE
BIGGER THAN US, JASON.
CONTINUE.
CAN I GET A SELFIE?
WHY NOT.
DEREK
SUSAN BOUQUET. B-O-U-S-Q-U-E-T. I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH, SO I CAN'T
PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY. ONE MOMENT. AND I HAVE ONE MORE NAME TO
CALL. LET'S SEE WHERE DID I GET THIS ONE? JEFF BROWER.
BROWER. IF YOU'LL COME UP AND
HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW HERE.
ALL RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE, THIS MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO. ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE MR. HYATT BROWN WHO IS SPEAKING, WHO WILL BE ALLOTTED SIX
MINUTES FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS.
PLEASE STAND AS I CALL YOUR NAME IF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM. LORETTA
ARTHUR. STEVE SATHER. GENTRY ROBINSON? ALLEN FLORES. TOM TANILL
GREG MOTTO. RAFAEL RAMIREZ. MARY FURR. IS THAT F-U-R-R? I HOPE THAT'S
CORRECT. CHRIS BOLLER. LAURA JACKSON. JEFF -- B-R-E-U-R. IS THAT RIGHT?
JEFF, ARE YOU HERE? I CANNOT READ YOUR WRITING HERE. I'M GOING TO SAY
BREUR. OKAY, STAND UP, PLEASE SIR. MATTHEW DURACK. PROBABLY MOST OF YOU
ARE STANDING UP.
BECAUSE WE HAVE STANDING-ROOM ONLY HERE. JOHN
SANDERS. DARRYL WOLF. CHERYL COXWELL. GARY CROTTY. BRETT SHARBACH. BAT
RICK McDERMITT. DANIEL, JORDAN GELATI. THAT'S THE FIRST PILE. OKAY,
AND I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS. I HAVE A PILE OF OTHER NAMES
THAT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT'S FOR. ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT HERE AGAIN.
HERE WE GO.
KENYA LAVELL? JANELLE SALUDO OWENS. RAFAEL COLEMAN. REVEREND
BELDON. MEGAN HUGHES. JOEY POSEY. EDISON ZACHS. PLEASE STAND UP. MR.
JACKSON. DR. JACKSON. LOOKING THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS. DANIEL, OH
DANIEL SMITH. ROBERT LASONE. DOUG HALL. H. KELLUM BROWN. WHO'S THAT? OH
THERE YOU ARE. MR. BROWN. NANCY BURGESS-HALL. JIM ROSSEY?
R-O-S-I, AM
I CORRECT? OH ROSE. HOW COME I HAVE A HARD TIME READING ALL THEIR
NAMES. KEEP GOING, WE'RE GOING. DAN FRANCOTTI. JIM WATCHILL. THOMAS
LEEK. JEFFREY HOFFSTEADER.
COMPLAIN TO STAFF. YOU'VE GOT TO STAPLE
THEM. JANET.
I HOPE THAT'S RIGHT.
KATHLEEN VOGEL. ANNE BELK. MARK DAUST. MARGIE PAJEK. GLEN STORCH.
CLAY IRVIN. PEGGY FARMER. LYLE TRACKMAN. GIGI GALLOWAY. FRANK FARMER.
A SECOND PILE. I HAVE MANY MORE PILES TO GO, SO BARE WITH US. WE
PROMISED THAT WE WOULD DO THIS. AND BY THE WAY ALL OF THESE
INFORMATION, WHOEVER HAS THAT CELL PHONE ON, PLEASE TURN IT OFF.
ALL
OF THE ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEB, I'M NOT
GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERYBODY'S ADDRESS, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HERE FOR
ANOTHER THREE DAYS. PATRICIA C-U-N-N-A-H? AM I CORRECT? BERNISE
CASANERO. MARTIN MILLEN. JOHNNY DEJESUS. OLIVIA OROZCO. FOSTO FLORES.
DAVID CARDOSO. DIANA TORANO. LAUREN BURNETT. DAWN WIND. KARLA REYES.
SABAZARI. OR I GUESS THAT'S SRBIA. KATHY MASTERSON. MAUREEN SHELTON.
HEATHER MATSON. RANDY ROBERTS. MANUEL
BRAVA. ILIONA SAUNDERS. ALLEN FUNKHILL. THE UNKNOWN PERSON, I DO
NOT KNOW. ADDRESS IS 1615 DAYTONA BEACH. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND
IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT STAND UP
ANYWAY.
JIM, IS THAT LIKE THE JIM? OR A TIM TOLANO? OKAY. THIRD PILE. TWO
ADDITIONALS. JIM MORRIS. ONE MOMENT OR KEEP GOING. OKAY, KEEP GOING.
HERE WE GO. JOHN ALRIGHT.
ARSON. ROB MERRILL. DANIEL DAVIS.
STEVE, DID I NOT? I THINK I DID. MIKE PILE. KAYLA DARDIN. JIM OTTI.
SCOTT FRANK. TYLER McCALLISTER. DEDDS. MARGARET HAULER. BRIAN
SCHNELL. LISA VORACOM. TAMMY, I HOPE I'M CORRECT.
IT LOOKS LIKE MACLA. AS YOU BOTH SAID YOU WERE SPEAKING FOR HIM.
AND I THINK CHARLES LICKMAN. STAND.
HE LEFT.
OH HE LEFT. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT
THIS DISCUSSION. OKAY. GO AHEAD.
IS BEING REPRESENTED BY MR. BROWN
IN
A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL. ANYONE, EVERYONE WHOSE NAME WAS
CALLED BECAUSE WE CANNOT TELL. CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND?
ALL RIGHT, SECOND THING. ANYONE WHOSE NAME WAS CALLED. YOU NEED TO
DO THIS FOR THE RECORD. ANYONE'S NAME THAT WAS CALLED AND MR. BROWN IS
NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM. YOU'LL NEED TO STAY ON BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE
YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK. ALSO ANYONE'S NAME WHO IS NOT CALLED AND WHAT IS
EXPECTED TO BE CALLED BECAUSE MR. BROWN IS GOING TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
WELL HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO. RAISE YOUR HAND RIGHT NOW SO I KNOW WHAT
YOU ARE. HERE IS WHAT YOU MUST DO. AFTER YOU'RE DONE, YOU'LL NEED TO
GET THE SLIPS TO YOU. YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A SLIP TO GET TO THEM AND
MARK YOU'RE ONE OF THE ONES THAT MR. BROWN WAS SPEAKING OF.
DID ANY OF YOU FILL THAT IN?
YES, THEY ALL FILLED THAT YELLOW
DO ME A FAVOR AND MAKE A DUPLICATE
FORM.
AND WE WILL CHECK.
YEAH, PLEASE STEP OVER THERE AND MAKE A DUPLICATE OF THE FORMS
I CANNOT GIVE YOU TWO BITES OF THE APPLE.
AND THAT
RIGHT.
SO PLEASE, WE ARE USING THE HONOR SYSTEM. IF YOU JUST RAISED YOUR HANDS
TO STEP OVER THERE AND PLEASE FILL THAT OUT. ALL RIGHT. MR. BROWN?
YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES, THANK YOU.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I LIVE AT 213 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
AND DAYTONA
BEACH AS I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT
THE FUTURE. AND LET'S FLASH BACK FOR A MOMENT TO 1946 THROUGH 1952 OR
'53. THE THEN STATE OF FLORIDA LICENSE TAGS ON AUTOS, THE FIRST NUMBER
WAS THE COUNTY NUMBER AND IT RANKS YOU BASED ON YOUR POPULATION.
VOLUSIA COUNTY WAS THEN EIGHT. IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING DONE, YOU'D BE
AT 11. THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE. IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THE FUTURE.
AND
SOME OF OUR COMPETING COUNTIES ARE DOING A LITTLE BETTER. IF YOU LOOK
AT THE U.S. BUREAU OF THE CONSENSUS, FOR THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, AND
VOLUSIA COUNTY, IT'S APPROXIMATELY $42,000 TO $43,000. AND FOR THE
STATE OF FLORIDA, IT IS $47,000 TO $48,000. AND A GAME THAT'S NOT A
NEGATIVE. BUT A CHALLENGE. THAT WE CAN DO THIS. AND IT WILL BE EVEN
BETTER AND THAT WE MUST DO BETTER AND WE CAN.
AND YOU ALL CAN SIT DOWN AS WE KNOW IT GETS A LITTLE TIRING TO
STAND UP. BUT WE TODAY, WE HAVE BEEN AN UPRISING OF A SUPPORT AND AS A
RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
YES, SEVERAL THOUSAND MANUFACTURING AND SERVICE JOBS. THEY'RE
HIGHER PAYING HERE IN THIS COUNTY, SEVERAL THOUSAND. AND SO WHY AM I
TALKING ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE IN 1959, BROWN AND BROWN HAD EIGHT PEOPLE.
WE NOW HAVE 375 PEOPLE. WE HAVE RECRUITED PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE TO
BRING THEM TO VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THEY DON'T JUST LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH,
BUT THEY LIVE ALL OVER THE COUNTY. SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT MANY OF
WHOM HAD TO BE CONVINCED INITIALLY. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR
THE FUTURE.
SO ALL OF THIS MEANS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH
THESE CHANGES. AND IT WILL HAVE TO INCREASE OUR QUALITY TOO. AND SO
THE BUZZ STARTS, AND AS THE BUZZ STARTS, IT ADDS TO ITSELF. AND I VIEW
THIS OPPORTUNITY IS ONE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
AND FRANKLY I LISTENED TODAY TO ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE
ORDINANCES AND ABOUT THE DISCUSSION.
AND LEGAL AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT IS REALLY, REALLY
VERY WELL DONE AND THAT WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD OF WHEN IT IS PASSED.
AND SO IN CONCLUSION, AND THIS IS A STEP. IT IS A POSITIVE STEP, ONE
THAT WE WILL
JOB.
NEVER REGRET. BUT ONE IN THE FUTURE
THAT WE WILL
SAY GOOD
THANK YOU.
MR. JIM OTTI YOU ARE NEXT AT THE MICROPHONE. YOU ARE HERE, OKAY. AND
LET ME FIND ANOTHER PERSON TO FILL THAT SEAT THEN.
DEREK, DID YOU
SHOW UP? YOU ARE HERE. OKAY. AND SUSAN. BOUSQUET, OKAY. AND JEFF
BRUER, YOU'RE HERE, JEFFREY SMITH, PLEASE COME FORWARD. PLEASE IDENTIFY
YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING COUNTY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JIM OTTI AND I LIVE AT 4105
CARDINAL BOULEVARD.
I CONSISTENTLY LIVE ON A PORTION OF THE -- I
CURRENTLY LIVE ON A PORTION OF THE BEACH WHERE THERE ARE NO CARS. IT'S
NOT BY MY CHOICE. IF THE COUNTY WERE TO EVER BRING BACK BEACH DRIVING,
WHICH I DOUBT IT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, I'D BE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF PEOPLE
BEING ABLE TO DRIVE THERE. A FEW MONTHS AGO I WAS WITH A LOT AT THE
REDEDICATION OF THE SPEEDWAY. AND I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE
ARE MANY CITIZENS WHO MR. BROWN JUST SPOKE FOR.
WHO I'VE WORKED WITH
ON MANY ISSUES IN THE PAST FOR BOTH BEFORE AND AGAINST AND I'M NOT HERE
TO SPEAK AGAINST ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE TODAY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK FOR
VOLUSIA COUNTY.
AND WE WERE AT THE REDEDICATION OF THE SPEEDWAY.
THEY'RE BUILDING THAT BACK. I JUST FIND IT IRONIC THAT THE BEACH
DRIVING THAT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT PEOPLE HERE TO TEST OUT THE SPEED OF
THEIR CARS.
AND TO STAY IN NORMAN BEACH, THE BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED.
AND THEN FOR THE FRANCE FAMILY TO COME HERE AND FIND IT UNATTRACTED
AREA TO SET UP NASCAR AND TO START THAT ON THE BEACH AND TO BUILD THE
SPEEDWAY. AND TO HAVE THE EVENTS THAT ARE A TAX DONOR COUNTY.
AND THAT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, ALL STARTED
BECAUSE OF BEACH DRIVING. WHERE SHE 47 MILES OF COASTLINE IN VOLUSIA
COUNTY. RIGHT NOW ABOUT 30 MILES OF IT CAN'T BE DRIVEN ON. SO I WOULD
JUST SUGGEST THAT IF THERE'S AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT CARS, THEY
FIND THOSE AREAS AND GO TO THEM. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM.
HARD ROCK
HAS SAID THEY WOULD WORK WITH US.
WHERE WILL IT STOP? YOU KNOW, WE COULD STOP IT TODAY. WE COULD
STOP IT TODAY BY VOTING THIS DOWN OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I
CAN'T KEEP GETTING PECKED TO DEATH ON MY BEACH. SO IF YOU WOULD GIVE
THAT CONSIDERATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR. DID TOM EVER SHOW UP? TOM HARVEY. ARE YOU AROUND? NOPE.
OKAY.
OKAY. DEREK, YOU ARE NEXT.
AND I WOULD LIKE CONNIE TO COME
DOWN AND FILL THAT SEAT. YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. GO AHEAD AND FILL THAT
RIGHT THERE. AND I HAVE ELAINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE BARNACLE, OH, I MESSED UP ENOUGH NAMES TODAY, I'M
TRYING NOT TO. SIR? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING, I'M DEREK. I LIVE AT 100 EAST KENTUCKY AVENUE IN FLORIDA.
AND IT IS MY PROFESSION.
AND TO EVENTUALLY BENEFIT ME.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY BREAKING UP OUR BEACH
AS I REALIZE THAT WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF DRIVING AREA ON THE BEACH.
BUT IT'S DISCOURAGING THAT OUR COUNTY WAS NOT FOUNDED ON BEACH DRIVING,
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND APPRECIATED
BY THE PEOPLE.
AND I'VE ALSO INVOLVED WITH SPORTS CAR RACING. AND I
KNOW PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD THAT COME HERE AND THEY ALSO DO ENJOY
THE BEACH. DRIVING ON THE BEACH. IT'S A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.
AND WITH MY FAMILY.
AND ALSO THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO THE
BEACH DRIVING. AND THAT I WOULD ASK THAT WE DO NOT PASS THESE
ORDINANCES.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE DEVELOPERS COOPERATE WITH THE
COUNTY.
IN ALLOWING BEACH DRIVING TO CONTINUE.
AND I'M DISCOURAGED THAT WE WILL BE HERE TODAY AND THAT IT IS ALSO
POSITIVE HERE.
AND THERE ARE OPPOSING VIEWS, VERY VALID AS WELL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU,
SIR.
SUSAN? PLEASE STATE YOUR
THREE MINUTES.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD
AND YOU HAVE
GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SUSAN BOUSQUET. I LIVE 56900LENNOX AVENUE IN
DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS.
THIS BODY TODAY. I HAVE MANY CONCERNS, BUT ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF
TIME. I'M OPPOSED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED TODAY AND
ASK THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THEM. I'M VERY ACTIVE IN OUR SOUTH ATLANTIC
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I ATTENDED AND PARTICIPATE RECEIVED IN EVIDENCE MEETINGS WITH
REPRESENTATIVES.
AND FAMILY FRIENDLY. WHEN DID YOU ALL GET SO UPPITY?
THIS IS DAYTONA BEACH. WE'RE NOT SOUTH BEACH. WE DON'T WANT TO BE SOUTH
BEACH. WE LOVE OUR NASCAR, WE HAVE BIKE WEEK, DON'T CHANGE US. MR.
WAGNER WAS QUOTED RECENTLY ABOUT THE NEED TO PURCHASE LAND FOR
OFFBEACH PARKING. WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS OR RISK LOSING WHAT WE CHERISH
THE MOST AND THAT IS TOURISM, NOT VOTERS, NOT RESIDENTS, NOT
TAXPAYERS, NOT CITIZENS. WE CHERISH TOURISM. I'M SAD. THANK YOU.
PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND TO FILL THAT SPOT, TOM SPENCER. DID
UP? IF NOT, OKAY. HAVE YOU BEEN ASKING ME?
YES, I WAS JUST
HE SHOW
WONDERING, UNLESS YOU KNOW HIM.
I'M SORRY. ALL I'M ASKING IS
SHOW UP.
GENERALLY IF HE IS PRESENT AND HE
DID NOT
CAN I HAVE HIS THREE MINUTES?
YOU MAY NOT, BUT THANK YOU FOR
ASKING.
SHOOT.
BEFORE I START MR. CHAIRMAN. I ONLY NEED 15 MINUTES TO INTRODUCE A
GROUP THAT I CAME WITH, BUT CAN I QUICKLY HAVE MY QUESTION TO JUST
STAND UP? STAND UP. IT IS A THREE-MINUTE THING.
OH, I KNOW. I DON'T NEED
15 MINUTES, SPEAKING LIKE I
DID.
OKAY. COME ON UP, KIDS. COME UPFRONT. THIS YOUNG MAN HAS COLLECTED
HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF PETITIONS. BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, SIR.
YES, SIR.
I HOPE HE'S COMING UP HERE. I
SEE THAT YOU BROUGHT
YOUR FAMILY.
I DID, THE FINE YOUNG FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND YOU WILL SEE YOUR
NAME AND FAMILY.
AND THEY WERE SERVING ON THE JURY DUTY TODAY ACROSS
THE HALL. WE LIVE AT 310 DAWSON ROAD. I WAS RAISED ON DAYTONA BEACH
AND A LIFE GUARD IN THE 70s WHEN THE BEACH WAS PACKED WITH CARS
EVERYWHERE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
I BROUGHT MY
KIDS BECAUSE THIS IS A CIVIC LESSON FOR THEM AS WE HOME SCHOOL OUR
CHILDREN AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY ATTENTIVE THROUGH THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN
SEASON WHEN ALL OF YOU WERE RUNNING FOR COUNTY COUNCIL AND WHEN ALL OF
THIS FROM THE NATIONAL TO THE CITY CAMPAIGNS. WE ARE TEACHING OUR
CHILDREN TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. WE ARE TEACHING THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO BE
INVOLVED AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE INPUT.
AND TO BE
INVOLVED IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THAT THEY RELISH THE FACT OF GOING TO
MANY CAMPAIGN SPEECHES. THEY READ WHAT YOU WROTE IN THE PAPER, THEY
WROTE WHAT YOU READ ON FACEBOOK.
LET US VOICES
BE HEARD. THANK
YOU, SIR.
YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES,
SIR.
GOOD MORNING, I'M JEFFREY SMITH. AND I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF
VOLUSIA COUNTY. ALONG WITH MY CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY. AND THEY WERE ALL
BORN HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. AND EVERY GENERATION OF MY FAMILY HAS
ENJOYED DRIVING ON THE BEACH. OVER THE PAST TWO GENERATIONS, HOWEVER,
WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE, ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ENJOY THAT BEACH
DESPITE ITS USE BEING DEEMED AND A RIGHT THROUGH COMMON USE. THE LOSS
OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES CANNOT CONTINUE WITHOUT BEING BASED ON THE
MAJORITY OF RESIDENCE HAVING THE SAME VOICE AS DEVELOPERS AND SPECIAL
INTERESTS. THE LINE IN THE SAND HAS BEEN DRAWN. WE MUST STOP TO
DEVELOPERS BASED ON THE PROMISE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BEACH DRIVING
EXISTS ON LESS THAN HALF OF VOLUSIA COUNTY BEACHES ALREADY. IF YOU WANT
TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY THAT FRONTS A NO DRIVE BEACH, SEEK OUT THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY ALREADY EXIST. RESIDENCE, FAMILIES, AND
TAXPAYERS HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. PLEASE VOTE
NO AND I NEED CLARIFICATION. THE ORDINANCE NUMBERS ARE 2015, SIX,
SEVEN, EIGHT. I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE NO ON ORDINANCES 2015,
'06, '07, AND '08. ULTIMATELY WE ASK FOR ONE SIMPLE CONSIDERATION.
GIVE US YOUR CONSTITUENCY THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW MUCH ACCESS TO
THE BEACH WE HAVE. GIVE US OUR VOTE. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME.
THANK
YOU, SIR.
GENIE.
AND YOU ARE UP AND I'M LOOKING FOR I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE
WIGI, AM I EVEN CLOSE? OKAY. AND I'LL BE CALLING THE LIST OF NAMES
THAT YOU'LL BE REPRESENTING.
MA'AM, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND IN FLORIDA.
YESTERDAY I TRIED TO CALL MY REPRESENTATIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE. ON
A HOMEOWNER AND TAXPAYER AND VOTER. I CALLED THE CITIZENS HOTLINE.
AND THE SAME THING. OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM ME.
SO I E-MAILED. I'LL READ THE E-MAIL.
AND AGAINST DRIVING ON THE BEACH AND THIS IS AN EXCUSE TO HELP YOU
GET TO YOUR GOAL. AND THAT WAS INSPITE OF PROMISES AND CAMPAIGNS.
AND THAT WERE NOT KEPT AND THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. AND I'M TIRED
OF IT.
AND TIRED OF COMPETITION THAT DID NOT KEEP THEIR WORD. AND
A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY. I WAS OUT THERE EARLY VOTING AND GREETING. AND
SO MANY PEOPLE SAID NOT INTERESTED, NOT INTERESTED.
AND THIS IS WHY.
ONE MOMENT.
OKAY, DI NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD PEOPLE SITTING HERE WAITING
ITEMS, SO I HAVE TO STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT HERE.
FOR
ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, THOSE WILL BE HEARD AFTER LUNCH.
HELLO?
THERE IS NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT IN BETWEEN BEFORE LUNCH, SO THE
TRANSFER OF HUGH WEST NORTH STONE STREET FROM THE BEHAVIORAL. SO IF
YOU ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT MATTER, THAT WILL BE HEARD AFTER LUNCH,
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
ALL RIGHT, MS CONNIE, I KNOW IT'S TAKING
SOME TIME.
BUT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO FILL YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU'RE
NOT IN THE FRONT ROW.
GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS CONNIE COLBY I LIVE AT 108ROBBLE LANE. AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MOSTLY ABOUT '08 ON YOUR ORDINANCE DRAFT THAT YOU
HAVE, HOWEVER I WAS LISTENING TO ALL THE MONEY THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO
SPEND FOR DIFFERENT PARKINGPLACES, THINKING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FREE
PARKING. THE ORDINANCE DRAFT FOR 2015-08 STATES THAT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AS A PRIORITY OF THE COUNTY COUNTY OF VOLUSIA. I SUGGEST
THAT THE BEST INTEREST SHOULD BE THE FIRST PRIORITY OF THIS COUNCIL.
AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE DAYTONA AREA FIRST NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE
AND FIX THE ISSUES OF CRIME, LIGHT, DRUGS, HOMELESSNESS, AND OTHER
EMPLOYMENT THE ORDINANCE IS ALSO STATING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IS ESSENTIAL TO IMPROVING TOURISM MARKET. AND THE
PROPERTY THAT IS SLATED TO HAVE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HARD ROCK.
ONLY HAS 11 FLOORS OF HOTEL ROOMS.
AND THE 19 FLOORS ABOVE THAT IS
SLATED TO BE CONDOS. AND THEY ARE BEING MARKETED. STARTING AT
$300,000. THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOURISM ROOMS, BRINGING TOURISM TO
THE COUNTY. THOSE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
TOURISTS WHO COME TO THIS AREA, A LOT OF THEM STAY ALONG I-95 WITH
THEIR FAMILIES. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO DRIVE
ALONG THE BEACH WITH THEIR CHILDREN. AND PARK ON THE BEACH.
CLOSING PARTS OF THE BEACH, IT WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM
TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET ON AND OFF AND STOPPING GOING UP AND DOWN.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. THE RESIDENCE ARE LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT THE
PROPERTY OWNED IT.
AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME A HARD ROCK HOTEL AND CAFE. AND THE CONDO
AT THIS LOCATION ARE BEING MARKETED BY BAY SHORE CAPITAL INCORPORATED
UNDER THE NAME OF THE RESIDENCES AT HARD ROCK. AND THEY HAVE CENTERED
IN FROM WHAT I'M READING ON THE INTERNET THAT I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING.
THEY HAVE ENDED IN TO THE ELIMINATED PARTNERSHIP TO USE THE HARD ROCK
TRADE MARC TO TERMINATE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONDOMINIUMS.
IT'S ALSO REPORTED THAT SEVERAL RELEASED REPORT HAVES BEEN SOLD AND
APPARENTLY THOSE PEOPLE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER IT WILL BE
CARS ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THE PLACES.
I'D LIKE TO READ FROM THE DISCLAIMER ABOUT THOSE CONDOMINIUMS. IT
SAYS THAT THE UNITS ARE NOT OWNED TO BE DESIGNED OR DEVELOPED OR SOLD
BY HARD ROCK LIMITED OR HARD ROCK CAFE INTERNATIONAL. OR ANY OF THEIR
AFFILIATES COLLECTIVELY HARD ROCK. THE SELLER IS CURRENTLY USING THE
HARD ROCK TRADE MARC UNDER THE LICENSING AGREEMENT.
WHICH LICENSE
AGREEMENT WILLS TERMINATE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
OF THE
CONDOMINIUMS, SUBJECT TO ENTERING IN TO DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS WITH HARD
ROCK.
ALL
RIGHT, MA'AM? MA'AM? IT -- YOUR
SORRY, I KNOW.
YOU
TIME HAS EXPIRED.
ARE NOTOKAY.
BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE VALET PARKING FOR THE SCOOTERS AND THE
WHEELCHAIRS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE FOR THE BEACH VERSION, NOT
REALLY SURE HOW WELL THAT'S GOING TO WORK. AND MY HUSBAND IS A BIG
GUY. IF YOU WANT TO HELP PUSH SOMEBODY OUT OF THE SOUTH SAND, THAT
WOULD -- WOULD BE AWESOME.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. I DON'T
KNOW ANY OF YOU. AND PEOPLE, IT STRUCK A CORD IN PEOPLE BECAUSE I WAS
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PERSONAL TO ME THAT I CRIED ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, THE MOONLIGHT ON THE OCEAN IS AWESOME. I CAN'T EVER TAKE MY
HUSBAND DOWN THERE TO SEE THAT. AS MUCH AS WE TALKED ABOUT HANDICAP
ACCESS, THE IDA IDEA IS EQUAL ACCESS. AND SO WHEREVER THERE IS NO
BEACH DRIVING, MY HUSBAND HAS NO ACCESS TO THE HARD PACKED SAND. HE
CAN'T ENJOY THE AREA BEHIND THE HARD ROCK IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. HE
CAN'T ENJOY THE AREA IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR
IDEA IS THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS SPECIAL AREA OVER HERE AND THEY CAN GO
OVER THERE, BUT MAYBE WE WANT TO GO BEHIND THE BOARD WALKS SO WE CAN
WATCH OR LISTEN TO ONE OF THE CONCERTS. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEY COULD
NEVER ACCESS THE AREA BEHIND THE BOARD WALK. BUT FOR ME IT'S A DAILY
ISSUE. IF WE CAN'T GET THERE, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE FRUSTRATED. ALL
THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE JUMP ON BOARD. 16,000 WHO SIGNED PETITIONS,
OKAY? THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN. I WORK WITH
DISABLED AND HANDICAPPED KIDS. MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU LET THE PEOPLE
VOTE, THEN YOU HAVE THE INPUT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS IF YOU DON'T, THEN
YOU DON'T. I SENT SEVERAL -- SEVERAL E-MAILS AS MOST OF YOU DON'T
ACTUALLY TALK IN PERSON, BUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, TOM SPENCER, DID YOU MAKE IT
HE'S COMING? COME ON UP. MR. SPENCER. HELLO.
DOWN HERE? OH
YOU THINK? MY NAME IS TOM SPENCER. AND I'M GOING TO BREAK THE RULE.
BUT YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT IN THE
PAST, I'M GOING TO USE EVERYBODY SINCE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED THAT IT
WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE. IF THEY DID WHAT
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE WHEN THEY SAID WE'RE TAKING NINE MILES A BEACH
THAT THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD IMMEDIATELY START BUYING UP LAND TO HAVE
ACCESS. SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE PEOPLE AND THAT WE STILL GAVE YOU
ACCESS. WHENEVER YOU CAME, WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO FALL,
I DID TWO OF THEM. THEY FAILED BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO BIG AS WE KNOW
THAT THIS OUTFIT IS GOING TO BE TOO BIG AS WE DON'T KNOW THAT. WE'RE
PUTTING ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. WHAT IF YOU BUY FOUR SMALLER
ONES WITH SMALLER PARKING. MAYBE FOUR TO FIVE WHERE YOU'RE NOT SHAVING
THE BEACH AS THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND BE
A LITTLE MORE COSTLY, BUT THEY WOULD STILL IN THE END BE IN A BEACH
THAT WILL BE UNDER VALUED AND UNDERUSED. THEY'RE NOT SPENDING $100
MILLION TO TAKE BEACH DRIVING AWAY. THEY'RE TAKING IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE
AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I STAND CORRECTED IF THEY WANT TO
CORRECT ME, BUT WHEN I GO UNDER YOUR WEBSITE, I SEE THREE VENUES, ALL
THREE OF THEM ARE CASINOS. BUT THEY ALSO OWN A CASINO, ONE BLOCK OFF
THE TRIP IN LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. IN ORDER TO GET GAMBLING APPROVED. I'M
NOT FOR OR AGAINST THAT PERSONALLY, BUT IS IT A WAY TO GET THEM IN PLACE
AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. AND
THAT WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED ONE TIME AND SAID THAT WE DID NOT WANT
GAMBLING. SO BEFORE THIS PASSES, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. IS IT
PROCESSED NOW IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THERE
WILL BE NO GAMBLING OR GAMING UNTIL THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY VOTE
FOR IT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. TO TAKE CHERYL'S POSITION. JEFF B-R-O-K. BROK. IS
THAT B-R-O-K?
ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. MARK PATTON?
THERE IT IS. THANK YOU, SIR. PAM SANCHEZ? NO THAT IS RAY SANCHEZ.
OKAY. YOU'RE UP NEXT.
YEAH.
BUT DID YOU REFER
TO IT? ORIGINALLY, BUT IT
WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE PILE.
OKAY, YOU WEREN'T IN THAT PILE. OKAY.
AND DID YOU STAND UP?
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DEFER AND WAVE?
I'LL BE FINE WITH IT.
YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE YOU DEFER AND WAVE, SIR. I'LL PUT YOU
HERE. NOW WE NEED TO PUT DARRYL TOLL.
YOU DEFERRED.
OVER
SAME.
OKAY.
LINDA? I GATHERED. WHERE ARE YOU AT, MA'AM? OKAY. YES, COME ON DOWN.
YES, I FORGOT THAT. OKAY, WE'LL PUT YOU IN THERE AND I NEED TO PUT
ANOTHER PERSON HERE. SUSAN. IT ENDS IN AN RS. OKAY, SUSAN, YOUR ADDRESS
THAT YOU LIVE AT 324 LENNOX, WHERE ARE YOU AT? HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST
NAME, MA'AM?
WATTERS.
WATTERS.
THAT DOES NOT LOOK
LIKE WATERS. I'LL WRITE IT IN THERE.
NO.
I NEED A PEN. I'VE GOT A PEN.
OKAY. NOW THAT WE'RE
HERE.
ALL CALMED DOWN AND EVERYBODY HAVING
A SEAT
MY NAME IS CHERYL. I LIVE AT 445 SOUTH STATE ROAD 415. I'M ALSO THE
FOUNDER OF IT NOW AND THE PRESIDENT OF PRESERVE. IT'S ABOUT 40 MINUTES
AWAY FROM DAYTONA BEACH. MANY OF OUR CITIZENS CALLED ME, E-MAILED ME,
AND PERSONALLY CAME TO ME AND WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE BEACH DRIVING.
THIS IS THE BEACH THAT THEY GO TO AND NEW SER -- NEW SYRMA BEACH AS
WELL. A LOT OF THEM BRING THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES.
THE REASON THAT I'M HERE IS FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHTS. WE HAD SO MANY OF
OUR PROPERTIES TAKEN WITH NO MONEY COMPENSATION LAST YEAR. WE FOUGHT
LONG AND HARD.
AND SEVERAL OF YOU AGREED WITH OUR POINT OF VIEW.
BUT NOW THERE'S A DECISION BEING MADE TODAY THAT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS
ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY AND THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL TO STOP
THIS TODAY THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THEM. THEIR REVENUE COMES OUT TO
ONE PERCENT.
DON'T TAKE THE BEACH DRIVING AWAY, WE ARE A DEMOCRACY AND EVERY
ONE OF YOU THAT RAN FOR KEX WHO HAD BEEN VIDEO TAPED, RECORDED,
PROMISED, MET PERSONALLY WITH MOST OF THE CITIZENS IN YOUR DISTRICT.
YOU PROMISED THEM JOB CREATION AND NOT TAKING BEACH DRIVING AWAY. LESS
THAN FIVE MINUTES LATER YOU'RE GOING BACK ON YOUR WORD. I SUGGEST TO
YOU TO KEEP ON YOUR WORD. THEY WILL REPLAY THE VIDEOS OVER AND OVER
AGAIN. THEY WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO HONOR THEIR WORD AND
TO MAKE CLEAR, THANK YOU. OKAY, LINDA YOU ARE NEXT. LIKE RICHARD
WATTERS. I CAN READ MR. RICHARD WATTERS AND LINDA SMILEY, I WOULD LIKE
YOU TWO TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS LINDA. I LIVE AT ORDMAN BEACH, FLORIDA. A NATIVE DATONIAN.
I'M ABSOLUTELY APPALLED BY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. WE ARE SELLING OUT
TO THIS COUNTY. WHERE YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO REPRESENT. WE HEARD THAT
BUILDING THE OCEAN CENTER WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTELY MARVELOUS THING THAT
YOU BUILT THE CENTER THAT WILL BE TOO SMALL TO ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING
THAT THEY HAVE NOT TURNED SINCE THE DAY IT OPENED. MAYBE WE'LL NEED TO
MAKE THAT THE PARKING LOT ON THE BEACH. OKAY. THE REVENUE THAT THESE
HOTELS ARE PAYING AND THE PROPERTY TAXES COMPARED TO THE PEOPLE LIKE
ME. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAD NO PROBLEM GOING FORWARD WITH DRIVING
ON THE BEACH. AND THAT WE DON'T WANT DRIVING ON THE BEACH AND THEN THEY
SAY OH LET'S JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON TOO. NOW WE HAVE THESE THREE
ORDINANCES IN FRONT OF US BEHIND THE PROPERTY. YET AT THE SAME TIME,
HILTON IS BUILDING A PROPERTY WITH DRIVING BEHIND THEIR BEACH, NOT
ASKING FOR ANYTHING AS I DON'T THINK HILTON IS AN IGNORANT COMPANY.
THAT THEY WOULD SEAL THE VALUE OF THE BEACH AND THE CARS BEHIND IT.
WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THE CORE AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE NOT FROM THE
UNIVERSITY TO SILVER BEACH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE YOU
TO STAND UP.
IN DAYTONA BEACH. I USUALLY TRY TO STAY OUT OF COUNTY BUSINESS,
BUT IT HAS BROUGHT ME -- BUT IT HAS BROUGHT THAT IN AND I FIND THE
ENTIRE PROCESS DISINJEN EWE WHITE HOUSE. AND NOR NOR DID IT HAPPEN WITH
THE PUBLIC FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND THAT IT WAS A CONCERN. AND IN
ANY SINGLE GROUP OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS STARTED THIS.
AND SO I
QUESTION SPECIFICALLY WHO PUSHED THIS TO HAPPEN IN THIS FASHION. AND
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE 30 MILES OF NO DRIVING. WHO NEEDS MORE.
AND HERE
ARE THE ARGUMENTS THAT I FIND INSUFFICIENT FOR THE PASSAGE OF THESE
ORDINANCES. NO DRIVING WILL FIX BLIGHT.
AND THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE
PROMOTING THE IDEA AND THE SAME PEOPLE WHO IGNORED THE CAUSE OF BLIGHT
FOR DECADES.
AND THAT THEY DIDN'T FIX ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TOURIST
AREA. AND PROBABLY THE LEAST USEFUL TOOL TO FIX BLIGHT. PROPONENTS OF
NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS FIVE-STAR HOTELS AND HARD ROCK BRANDS WILL ONLY
COME HERE IF THERE IS NO DRIVING. YET THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE FIVESTAR HOTEL IN THE ORDINANCES. WHAT GOOD IS THE FIVE-STAR HOTEL TO THE
SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE THE
HOTEL? THE PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAY SAFETY IS A CONCERN. YET
A1A THE FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO CROSS NOW AND
THE PARKING LOTS ARE USED ON THE WESTSIDE THEY WILL HAVE A TERRIBLE
EFFECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE REMEDY
FOR CROSSING AND IN OUR LOWERED NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY VALUES.
PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT USING ECO FUNDS FOR PARKING
LOTS IS ACCEPTABLE AS I ACTUALLY FIND A PROVERSION OF THE INTENT OF THE
ECO FUNDS.
AND PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT THE CARS
CREATE AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. AND HOW IS THIS WORSE? ENVIRONMENTALLY
THAN ALLOWING 500 ROOMS MANY STORIES HIGH TO BE BUILT DIRECTLY ON THE
BEACH? AND SO THAT THE SUN WON'T SHINE ON OUR BEACH AND OUR BEACH WILL
ERODE IN AN EVEN FASTER RATE. MANY CITIES ARE ACTUALLY LIMITING GROWTH
LIKE THIS ON OUR BEACHES.
PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THAT
THIS ISN'T THE BEGINNING OF PRIVATIZATION.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO DECEMBER
TIN OR SAND DESTIN LATELY WITH THE ACTUAL SIGNS ON THE BEACH THAT SAYS
FOR THE USE OF THE GUEST AT HIGH TIDE THAT THE ONLY AVAILABLE PLACE TO
WALK OR BIKE IS THE OCEAN ITSELF. DECEMBER TIN HAS A SMALL LOT WHERE
PEOPLE TRY TO PARK AND TRAFFIC IS RIDICULOUS. AND YOU COULDN'T PAY ME
TO GO BACK THERE. THE PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS THIS IS
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT WE SAY THE FIVE, FOUR, THREE-STAR HOTEL WILL
BASICALLY PROVIDE THE SAME CONSTRUCTIONJOBS AND THE SAME NUMBER OF THE
LOWER WAGED JOBS. PROPONENTS OF NO BEACH DRIVING SAYS IT WILL INCREASE
THEIR TAX BASE AS WE ASK WHY WAS THE INFORMATION FROM OUR PROPERTY TAX
APPRAISER IGNORED? AND WHY WOULD YOU PUT THEM LAST? THAT WE SHOULDN'T
BE THE FIRST IN THE MINDS OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE ASKED YOU TO
REPRESENT US, NOT FIGHT US IN REFERENCE TO THE SPECIAL INTEREST. I
BELIEVE THAT THE CONSEQUENCES HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
PUSHING THE SCHEME FOR WHATEVER AND WHOMEVER. AND THE CITIES OFFCOURSE
AND TO TURN THE COUNTY UPSIDE DOWN. AND I THINK THAT IT IS TERRIBLE
AND IRRESPONSIBLE. AND WITH THE RELATIONSHIPS AMONG US TO ADDRESS THE
REAL ISSUES.
WITH AN OPEN DISCUSSION THAT INVOLVES PEOPLE THAT HAVE ELECTED
YOU. PLEASE DON'T ENACT THESE ORDINANCE. PLEASE LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK
YOU.
OKAY.
JOHN ANTHONY, ARE YOU HERE? HE LEFT.
JAMES
UPFRONT. WE'LL HAVE YOU SIT HERE AND REFILL THIS UP.
IS THAT YOU, MA'AM?
HARBOR? COME ON
LET'S SEE. CAN I HAVE A STAFF MEMBER COME DOWN WITH A MICROPHONE,
PLEASE? WE'RE GOOD.
OKAY, NOW BEFORE THEY START TALKING, I WILL CALL
A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE. DID YOU SHOW UP? TERESA WRIGHT? WHERE DID THEY
COME FROM?
OKAY, THANK YOU.
ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
SIR, YOU CAN'T SIT IN THE AISLES. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE FIRE
HAZARD. SIR, IF WE CAN HAVE YOU FIND A SEAT UPFRONT, WE'D APPRECIATE
THAT.
OKAY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU KNOW
WE'RE GOOD.
HOW TO OPERATE
THAT THING. AND THAT'LL WORK. NEVER
MIND.
MY NAME IS KATE ABLES. 333 AUBURN DRIVE DAYTONA, FLORIDA. I'VE LIVED
HERE SINCE 1988. I HAVE A LOT OF NOTES I'VE BEEN TAKING DURING THESE
MEETINGS AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS MAKING A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. I
AM IN FAVOR OF LETTING VOLUSIA VOTE.
BEACH DRIVING, I MEAN THEY MIGHT
SURPRISE YOU. THEY MIGHT ASK YOU TO VOTE OFF BEACH DRIVING. I'VE HEARD
THEM SAY THAT THE HARD ROCK MOTEL AND THE WESTERN DON'T CARE. IF
THERE'S BEACH DRIVING IN FRONT OF THEIR FACILITIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF
THAT'S TRUE OR NO. I'VE SEEN SOME HEAD NODDING OVER THERE. IF THEY
DON'T CARE WHY ARE WE SHOWING THEM THE BEACH? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
IN THE GARAGE TO WHICH WE OBJECTED BECAUSE HIGH TOP VEHICLES COULD
NOT PARK IN THE GARAGE AND THEY SWORE.
IT WOULD FIT IN THE GARAGE AND LOW AND BEHOLD THEY DO NOT FIT IN
THAT PARKING GARAGE. NO PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK TO GET TO THAT NO DRIVE
BEACH.
AND THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO GET PEOPLE TO THE BEACH AND TO BE
SAFE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT LASTED, BUT IT WASN'T VERY LONG.
AND AGAIN THAT TO ME IS JUST SOMETHING TO PUT PEOPLE ASIDE AND SAY OKAY
IT WILL BE ACCESSFUL. THAT THEY EITHER DON'T STAY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I WOULD SAY TO ILL VOTE NO, PLEASE. TO LET THEM HAVE A WORD. THANK
YOU.
I LIVE AT 322 ATLANTIC AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH. AS A RESIDENT AND A
PROPERTY OWNER OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, I KEEP HEARING ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMIC
BEHAVIOR WITH BEACH DRIVING, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEES. EXPERIENCE
REMINDS US OF THEIR DEAL IN WHICH DAYTONA BEACH UTILIZED TO TAKE
PRIVATE PARTIES ALONG THE SEGMENT OF THE BEACH.
AND THEY WERE GIVEN
VERY GENEROUS ZONING GRANTS, NOT NORMALLY AVAILABLE TO OTHER
DEVELOPERS. AND THEN THEY WOULD FILE BANKRUPTCY IN 2008.
AND IT BECAME UNSIGHTLY ALONG THE BEACH FRONT.
AND CLAIMING THAT
IT WILL INCREASE THE REVENUE.
AND THAT THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES WITH
THESE HOTELS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BRING IN THEIR OWN MANAGEMENT TEAM,
WHICH WILL BE PAID FOR. HOWEVER TALKING ABOUT CREATE THE MINIMUM WAGE.
AND KEEPING FOOD SERVICES, MAINTENANCE JOBS. WHICH WON'T BENEFIT
THE RESIDENTS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BENEFIT THE
VOLUSIA COUNTY INSTEAD OF PARKING.
YOU CAN DEMAND THAT THEY PROVIDE THE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL
THEIR EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, MATCHING 401K PLAN, AND
MINIMUM WAGE OF AT LEAST 10.
MS SWEENEY.
OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? WE WERE NOT STOPPING FOR LUNCH. IF
HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, YES, OUR NECKS TO YOU.
WE
AND MOVED BACK, RETIRED, 2003. AND I'M ENJOYING LIFE. I'VE
LISTENED TO THIS.
BEFORE AND AFTER AND PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE. IT'S
NOT ABOUT THESE HOTELS. IT'S ABOUT ELIMINATING THE CARS ON THE BEACH.
AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS IN 1985 WITH ALL THE EUPHORIA
ABOUT GOD WANTING TO SEND US PROFITS WITH THE NEW HOTEL. THAT DOES NOT
HAPPEN. THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS OF THE CONVENTION
CENTER CALLED THE OCEAN CENTER, WHICH OPENS UP NEXT MONTH. AND IT WILL
ELIMINATE BLIGHT IN THE MAIN STREET AREA. 1985.
AND DID WE CAUSE THAT? NO. YOU DID. AND IT'S BEEN SOME RESPECT,
THE DEVELOPERS DID. WE DIDN'T HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT HOTELS DOWN THERE
WITH ONLY THREE TO FOUR. PHYSICALLY IS GOOD. THAT'S NOT SUCCESS.
AND IN THE MEANTIME LET US VOTE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE COULD
ACTUALLY DO A BETTER JOB. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
LINDA SMILEY.
AND TO FILL THE SEAT THAT SHE WAS
SITTING IN, I WILL TAKE AND MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS RIGHT. AND I'M
PROUDLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT I ASK THAT YOU DON'T STEAL THE
VOTES. ONE MOMENT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TIME SNOW
IT'S ON. OKAY, IT JUST DIED UP THERE. PLEASE CONTINUE. THIS ISSUE IS
ONE THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE HAD TOWN MEETINGS IN THE EVENING
FOR LIKE YOU HAD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTCLOSURES THAT YOUR RESIDENTS
COULD ATTEND. INSTEAD YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE THAT.
YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE
OUR REQUEST TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT AND HAVE US GATHER PETITIONS. WE
WERE ABOUT DONE WITH THAT TASK AND SO NOW YOU'RE RUSHING TO PUSH THESE
ORDINANCES THROUGH THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE DEVELOPERS BY THEIR
FRIENDS FOR THEIR BENEFIT ONLY. THESE ORDINANCES DO NOT BENEFIT THE
RESIDENTS. THERE HAS STILL BEEN NO STANDARDS REALLY PUT IN PLACE TO
PREVENT FURTHER CLOSURE OF THE BEACH. I'D LIKE TO READ ABOUT SOME
MYTHS. RED SAND WE HEAR ABOUT. COMING IN WILL END BEACH DRIVING. TRUTH
IS RED SAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF OUR BEACH, ESPECIALLY TO THE
NORTH. IT COMES AND GOES AND YOU CAN DRIVE ON IT. DRIVING ON THE BEACH
IS UNSAFE. TRUTH IS DURING 100 YEARS OF DRIVING ON OUR BEACHES,
APPROXIMATELY 10 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ACCIDENTS AND THAT IS ONE
IN EVERY TEN YEARS FAR LESS THAN ANY STREET IN OUR AREA WITH THAT MUCH
TRAFFIC. DRIVING ENDANGERED TURTLES. DRIVING AND CAR EMISSIONS DO NOT
ENDANGER TURTLES BECAUSE MOST TURTLES NEST IN THE AREA WHERE ONLY DUNES
ARE IN THE FAR NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BEACHES. 80% OF PEOPLE SAY THEY
DON'T WANT BEACH DRIVING. THE TRUTH IS 80% OF A LOCAL REALTOR'S CLIENT
WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUY IN THIS AREA HAVE SAID THEY DON'T LIKE BEACH
DRIVING. BUT NO DOUBT IT HAS BEEN SELECTED FOR THOSE WHO LIVE HERE
ALREADY.
DRIVING CAUSES BLIGHT AND PRESENTS ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN
THE CORE AREA OF DAYTONA'S BEACH SIDE. THE TRUTH IS NO DRIVING HAS BEEN
ALLOWED IN THAT AREA FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. AND THE LACK OF DRIVING HAS
NOT BEEN FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND TO SUPPORT THIS
THEORY AND IN FACT THAT HISTORICAL DOESN'T HURT THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
AND CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO DRIVING AND THAT WILL CONTINUE. THE
TRUTH IS THERE'S STEEL RAMPS TO THE SOFT SAND NEXT TO THE SEA WALLS.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T WALK TO GET FROM THE END OF THE
RAMP TO THE WATER'S EDGE AS THEY CAN DO NOW BY SIMPLY PARKING THEIR
CARS ON THE BEACH. SO REMOVING DRIVING TO REMOVE THEIR HANDICAPPED
ACCESS. OFFBEACH PARKING WILL WORK JUST AS WELL AS PARKING ON THE
BEACH. THE TRUTH IS CROSSING 1A1 TO GET TO THE BEACH IS FAR MORE
DANGEROUS AND LESS DESIRABLE. DRIVING MUST BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE THE
BEACH IS GETTING NARROW DUE TO RISING SEA LEVELS. THE TRUTH IS WHILE
THERE STILL ISN'T AN INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL THERE'S NO DATA TO CORRELATE
AND AFFECT THE WIDTH OF THE BEACH. OUR BEACHES HAVE BECOME NARROWER AND
WIDER DECADE AFTER DECADE AND THIS SHIFT WILL CONTINUE. DRIVING MUST BE
ELIMINATED FOR FIVE-STAR HOTELS.
MA'AM. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
MR. HARBOR, YOU HAVE BEEN
PATIENTLY --
PATIENTLY SITTING THERE.
YES, SIR.
SHE HAD TO GO TO WORK? ARE YOU SPEAKING, SIR? YOU ARE SPEAKING, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. LET ME FIND ANOTHER PERSON. ROBERT TAYLOR, ARE YOU
AVAILABLE? COME ON UP FRONT. AND MR. HARBOR?
MR. DAVIS, I BELIEVE I WAS SUPPOSE
TWO OTHER PEOPLE. SIX MINUTES.
TO BE REPRESENTING. AT LEAST I KNOW
YOU WILL GET YOUR SIX MINUTES.
THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY FOR THE RECORD, I SHALL READ THE LIST IF THERE IS
ANYBODY THAT I DO NOT READ. KELLY REGISTER, IS THAT HER? AND BONNIE
PULTZ.
POUTZ. OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN RECOGNIZED. PLEASE
HAVE A SEAT AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M JAMES HARPER. DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. YOU
KNOW I THINK IT IS OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE VOTING WITHOUT ALL
OF THE FACTS. THE DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP BEHIND BROWN, WE DO
NOT KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE. WE DO KNOW THEY ARE A PART OF THE ELITE WHO
PROBABLY DON'T LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH. THERE SHOULD BE FOR DISCLOSURE
ON THE ELITE PEOPLE TO BENEFIT FROM YOUR VOTE. MORE THAN LIKELY THEY DO
NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH
HAVE SPOKEN. A RESOLUTION WAS SENT TO YOU VOTING ON THE BEACH.
SUPPORTING DRIVING ON THE BEACH. I TAKE THAT BACK. HERE'S THE THING I
WANT TO MAKE CLEAR. 50 YEARS AGO BLACK PEOPLE WERE BANNED FROM
DAYTONA'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH. IT WAS AN UNWRITTEN RULE ENFORCED BY THE
ELITE PEOPLE OF THE TIME. IT WAS WRONG THEN TO BAN BLACKS AND IT IS
WRONG NOW. HERE WE ARE, IT IS 2015, THE SAME ELITE PRIVILEGED PEOPLE
WHO WANT TO BAN CARS ON THE BEACH FOR OTHER PRIVILEGED PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO CATER TO OTHER PRIVILEGED ELITE PEOPLE. YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE
REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. NOT YOURSELF. MOST OF YOU WHO COULD BE
CLASSIFIED AS THE ELITE. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH HAVE SPOKEN. THE
CITY COMMISSION AS I SAID EARLIER WHO REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE, REFUSED TO
SUPPORT A RESOLUTION BANNING CARS ON THE BEACH.
YOU SHOULD DO THE
SAME, LIKE BANNING BLACKS FROM THE BEACH IS WRONG NOW AND BANNING CARS
ON THE BEACH WAS WRONG NOW. I URGE YOU TODAY TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF
THE REPUBLICANS THAT MANY OF YOU ADMIRE. NANCY REAGAN. SHE IS FAMOUS
FOR THE PHRASE JUST SAY NO. PLEASE JUST SAY NO. SOME OF YOU OBVIOUSLY
HAVE AN ADDICTION PROBLEM. INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. DAYTONA BEACH'S OCEAN FRONT
RESORT. WENT UP FOR SALE LAST WEEK. OBVIOUSLY BANNING CARS FROM
DRIVING AND PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HILTON HAS NOT MADE A DIFFERENCE.
AND NOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS FOR TWO OTHER MAJOR HOTELS. INSANITY, THE
ELDEST OF HOTELS.
SHOULD NOT DEPEND ON BANNING DRIVING ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF
THESE HOTELS. GOOD SERVICE AND MARKETING WOULD DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF
THE HOTELS. DON'T SET A BAD PRECEDENT TODAY. AND BAN BEACH DRIVING. AS
I SAID IN THE MOVIE, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER THE MOVIE, "FIELD OF
DREAMS." BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. THESE HOTELS SHOULD NOT DEPEND
ON BEACH DRIVING. BANNED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I NOTE NAACP IS SAYING TO
VOTE NO. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE ALL HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. YOU KNOW,
IT IS SAD THAT YOU ARE ALL ACTING AS IF YOU WERE OF DAYTONA BEACH
BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL AFFECT THE RESIDENTS OF
DAYTONA BEACH. AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN. THE
PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO BAN PARKING AND DRIVING ON THE
BEACH AS WE WANT TO DRIVE ON OUR BEACH. WE WANT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT.
BUT YOU ALL ARE SUPPORTING THE ELITE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED AND MY
REPRESENTATIVE JOSH WAGNER. AND BECAUSE THEY USED TO REPRESENT THE
PEOPLE. HE USED TO SPEAK UP FOR THE PEOPLE. SIR, YOU ARE GOING VERY
CLOSE TO THE LINE.
OKAY.
AND ALL I WAS DOING WAS RECOGNIZING MY COUNCIL. AND I UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU WERE STARTING TO GO DOWN A ROAD BEFORE YOU WENT DOWN. THE
POINT HAS BEEN MADE MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT YOU ARE ALL MAKING A DECISION
THAT YOU ARE IN WHICH YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE ELITE, THE POWER HUNGRY,
THE RICH. NOT COMMON, FOLKS THAT LIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH. THE AVERAGE
DAYTONAN CANNOT POSSIBLY AFFORD TO LIVE TO GO TO THE HARD ROCK CAFE
HOTEL OR POSSIBLY THE WESTIN, BUT THEY CAN AFFORD TO DRIVE ON THE
BEACH. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO DO. AND SO THAT
YOU WOULD ALMOST REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE ALL REPRESENTING. YOU ARE
REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO
DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND HOPEFULLY THAT YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING THAT IT
APPEARS TO ME THAT THE FIX IS IN AND THAT I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT I
BELIEVE THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'RE REMEMBERED WHERE THAT CAME FROM
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ARE ALL NOT LISTENING TO THE
PEOPLE. DAYTONANS WANT TO DRIVE ON THEIR BEACH. AND YOU ALL ARE
SPEAKING FOR EVOLUTIONS. BUT IT'S DAYTONANS WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOUR
DECISIONS TODAY. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SUPPORT THE
PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE IS WHO YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE REPRESENTING. ONCE
AGAIN I'LL APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME OUT. I DON'T MIND BEING THE ONE TO
SAY THINGS TO MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT THEREFORE IT NEEDS TO BE
HEARD. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL ALL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION TODAY AND SUPPORT
THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH. YOUR DECISION WILL AFFECT THE PEOPLE OF
DAYTONA BEACH. THE PEOPLE OF DAYTONA BEACH WILL BE AFFECTED BY YOUR
VOTE TODAY, NOT VOLUSIA COUNTY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.
TERESA RICE.
TERESA RICE?
ALL RIGHT NO. TERESA RICE.
PASTOR MIKE PASTORI?
AND TO FILL THE
TWO SEATS, ROBERT TAYLOR, CALLING ROBERT TAYLOR AND CHARLES SMICE.
OH, YOU ARE ROB TAYLOR? OKAY. I'M LOOKING FOR CHARLES SMYTH OR SMITH? I
HAVE A SEAT THERE FOR YOU AND LET ME GET ONE MORE PERSON. PETE
CORACUS. COME ON AND HAVE A SEAT BACK HERE, SIR. PASTOR? GOOD MORNING.
CHAIRMAN DAVIS, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF
THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS NOT MY USUAL ISSUE THAT I RUN A
WEBSITE CALLED DAYTONAHOMELESS.COM. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK AGAINST
OVERREACH BY THE GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AROUND VOLUSIA COUNTY FOR 23 YEARS OFF AND ON. I
FIRST CAME HERE IN 1976. AS A COMPETITION SKY DIVER. I KNOW IT'S HARD
TO ENVISION THAT. AND WE DROVE OVER TO THE 17 MILES OVER TO DAYTONA
BEACH AND SAID WOW THAT'S REALLY COOL. WE CAN DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND
CRUISE UNTIL THE WHEEL FALLS OFF TO HAVE A GREAT TIME IN MY EARLY 20s.
AND ALWAYS IN THIS AREA AS I SAID YOU KNOW I'M COMING BACK AND IT DID
COME BACK AS I GOT A JOB. AND MOVED TO THE SEA AND THEN THEY MOVED TO
THE LAND AND WENT TO WORK AS A MARKETING MANAGER FOR THE TRUCK ROUTE.
AND I HAD THREE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS THAT I RAISED. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I
HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT THEIR ENTIRE
FAMILY HERE BECAUSE AS THE FATHER OF THREE YOUNG GIRLS, YOU KNOW ON A
SATURDAY OR SUNDAY THEY WOULD GET UP AND JUMP OUT OF BED AND TO GO
DIGGING AND LET'S GO DIGGING, THE KIDS AND THAT I WOULDN'T DREAM OF
WALKING THEM ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT I JUST WOULDN'T. WE
LOADED UP ALL THE FUN NOODLES AND THE BOOGIE BOARDS AND ALL THE TOYS AS
WE DROVE ON THE BEACH AND FOUND A PARKING SPACE AND WE HAD A FUN DAY
AT THE BEACH. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE FUTURE PARENTS THAT I WANT
THEM TO HAVE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE THAT MY FAMILY HAD. NOW AS FAR AS
GOVERNMENT OVERREACH GOES. I WANT TO CORRECT MAYBE QUICKLY A
MISCONCEPTION OF PEOPLE THAT VOLUSIA IS GOING TO GET A VOTE. VOLUSIA IS
GOING TO HAVE A VOTE BECAUSE THAT'S OUR RIGHT. IF WE PETITION THE
GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A VOTE. THE
QUESTION IS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOING TO THE WILL OF THE
PEOPLE BY CRAMMING THESE ORDINANCES DOWN OUR THROATS. SO QUICKLY AND
THEN HUDDLE WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH LEGAL STRATEGIES TO FIGHT THE
WILL OF THE PEOPLE. NOW THAT'S OBSCENE. THAT'S CRAZY TALK. YOU'VE
HEARD THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL SEE
WHAT THE VOTE COMES OUT TO.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE GOOD WOULD
PREVAIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALL RIGHT. STEVE SWEENEY AND TO TAKE
DIDN'T YOU ALREADY SPEAK? YES, OKAY.
THAT POSITION MARK APPLEGATE.
I'M SORRY. YOU ONLY GET TO DO
THAT ONCE.
AND HARRY JENNINGS. ARE YOU AVAILABLE, SIR?
AND I'LL
PUT YOU ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE IF YOU SHOW UP FROM DOWNSTAIRS THAT
WE DO HAVE SOME.
MAYOR JENNINGS HAD TO LEAVE.
I HAVE A LIST HERE FROM DOWNSTAIRS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE SOME SPACE AVAILABLE IF PEOPLE FROM
DOWNSTAIRS WOULD LIKE TO COME UPSTAIRS AND SPEAK. PESA ALLEN. OR COME
UP AND SIT. MR. PACE ALLEN IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE. THERE YOU ARE. COME ON
UP AND HAVE A SEAT. MR. SWEENEY? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, I LIVE AT 1351 OLD KINGS ROAD.
I'M THE THIRD
GENERATION OF VOLUSIA COUNTY RESIDENT. MY PARENTS, WIFE, CHILDREN, AND
MYSELF HAVE ALL GROWN UP ON THE BEACHES AND THE GREATER DAYTONA BEACH
AREA. FISHING, SWIMMING, SURFING, YES DRIVING ON THE BEACH IS THE WAY
OF LIFE WHEN YOU'RE BORN AND RAISED HERE. THEY ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF
TRAFFIC BEACH AREAS TO TAKE ANOTHER AREA OF BEACH IS EXTREMELY
UNNECESSARY. IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS THE FUTURE OF BEACH DRIVING
WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY. EVERY HOTEL WOULD WANT THEIR OWN SECTION OF THE
PRIVATIZED BEACH. PEOPLE DON'T COME TO DAYTONA FOR THEIR GREAT OFFBEACH
PARKING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE A1A IT IS ON. A MATTER LIKE THIS
SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THEIR TAX PAYING RESIDENTS IF THAT'S NOT
PERMITTED I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THE
RIGHT THING AND VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE. DON'T FALL VICTIM TO CORPORATE
GREED LIKE SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. REMEMBER THAT IT IS CALLED THE
WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS BEACH FOR A REASON. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. STRICKLAND, KEN STRICKLAND,
CAN COME UP HERE AND SIT DOWN.
PLEASE STEP UP. AND DALE HETZLER
IF YOU
HE HAD TO LEAVE.
SIR, MA'AM?
HE HAD TO LEAVE.
YES,
SIR.
OKAY. AMY RUTLEDGE?
SHE HAD TO LEAF.
GINGER?
SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
LLOYD MACKEY? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE? OKAY. AND SO LLOYD MACKEY, YOU
COME ON UP HERE AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW THERE AND YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR, SIR.
KEN STRICKLAND, 1208 NORTH HALIFAX. FIRST I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE MY WIFE
HAVING TO LEAVE AND NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND FOR THOSE HUNDREDS,
PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO SIGNED PETITIONS THAT HAVE TO WORK SO
THEY CAN PAY TAXES SO THAT THERE WOULD BE MONEY FOR THE POLITICIANS TO
GIVE AWAY IN A LITTLE COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTY. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME
OUT ON THE STREET HOLDING A CLIPBOARD IN THE HEAT, IN THE RAIN, AND
THOSE ORDINANCES RIGHT THERE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH A LOT
OF SOLIDARITY. WE'VE GOT PETITIONS FROM THE BLACKS, THE HIS TANNICS,
THE -- HISPANICS, THE WHITES, THE RICH, THE POOR, REPUBLICANS,
DEMOCRATS, LIBERTARIANS, EVERYONE IN BETWEEN. THEY'RE REAL SOLID ON
THIS DEAL. THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH IT, THEY WANT TO VOTE.
I CAME
HERE A LONG TIME AGO AND IT WAS A GREAT PLACE. AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE
THAT WAS HERE AND SAID THEY MOVED TO DAY NOTA. THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL THE
FUN OUT OF IT. WHEN I MOVED FROM GEORGIA THERE WERE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT
SAID THE ROOMS WERE DIFFERENT HERE. THEY'VE GOTTEN REAL DIFFERENT SINCE
I MOVED HERE. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU VOTE THESE DOWN OR PUT THEM ON HOLD
BECAUSE IF YOU KNOCK OVER THAT NINE-FOOT STACK OF PETITIONS IN MY MIND
THEY WILL BECOME PROMISES AND THEY WILL GET TO VOTE.
THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR. YOU ARE THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL.
AND SUSAN LEER?
ARE YOU HERE, MA'AM? IS THAT YOU? COME ON UP AND
HAVE A SEAT. I'M GOING TO FILL THIS SEAT WITH MARTIN ZIMMERMAN. THE
NAME IN THE PILE AND SEE IF THEY COME UP.
ALL RIGHT, ROBERT TAYLOR. I LIVE AT 1200 RIVERSIDE DRIVE HOLLY HILL. MY
FIRST IMPRESSION OF SHUTTING DOWN BEACH IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY SHUT IT
DOWN AT NIGHT. I WAS WORKING THAT NIGHT WHEN WE TICKETED ALL THOSE
PEOPLE. I WAS AT THE DAYTONA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TICKETING THAT
IT REALLY HIT THE FAN OF THE DAYTONA BEACH CITY COMMISSION LATER
BECAUSE YOU FOUND OUT WHAT THEY LOST. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY LOST
UNTIL THEY LOST IT. I WATCHED AS THE MAIN STREET AREA COMPLETELY FELL
APART. GOOD RESTAURANTS ARE GONE, BUSINESSES SHATTERED BUSINESSES. AND
ONLY THE PART-TIME VISITORS AND DURING THE OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS. ALSO
SAW THE SEA BREEZE BOULEVARD TURN IN FROM A CLASSY PLACE WHERE THERE
WERE LOTS OF GOOD BUSINESSES AND LOTS OF CLOTHING STORES TO PLACES
WHERE WE HAD NUDE DANCING, SLEAZY BARS ALL THROUGHOUT THAT CLAIRE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THROUGH THAT NIGHT AND ALSO WHEN WE SHUT DOWN THE
BEACH, EVERYTHING ACCESS TO THAT BEACH WENT NORTH AND THAT YOU LOST A
LOT OF THINGS. SURF SHOTS, ETC., BEGIN TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA. THE ONE
ON BROADWAY IS GONE. AND BROADWAY ITSELF IS NOT THAT GREAT OF A PLACE,
BUT WOW IT CHANGED BIG TIME WITH CUTTING DOWN THE NIGHT DRIVING. THE
DAYTIME DRIVING WHEN IT WAS GONE THAT EVERYTHING SEEMED TO GO ON IT. I
WAS THERE WHEN THEY WOULD TAKE IT INSIDE THE MOTELS TO GET RID OF THEM
AND EVENTUALLY THE OCEAN WALK AS THAT AREA IMPROVED WITH NO IMPROVEMENT
TAKEN OUTSIDE AND BUILT BY THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, AND THAT YOU HAVE
BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL SHUTTERED BEFORE. BUT THE ONLY CHANGE I SAW
IN THAT COURT AREA WAS THE WATER PARK. BUT ANYWAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
YOU NOT VOTE FOR THIS AS I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD STOP IT AS IT'S GOT TO
STOP BECAUSE THEY WILL TEAR THIS WHOLE AREA APART ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE RIVERS WHICH WE WOULD NORMALLY NOT HAVE, IT'S A LONG WALK FOR SOME
OF THEM. I WISH YOU WOULD VOTE NO AND TO STOP IT HERE RIGHT NOW. THANK
YOU.
MR. SMITH.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT MR. SMITH. AND THAT I'M JUST FILLING UP
THE FRONT ROW HERE. WE ARE HERE IN THIS ROTATION. AND PAUL ZIMMERMAN
SHOW UP? HE HAD TO GO TO WORK.
I HOPE THAT'S MARTIN. IS HE NOT HERE? OKAY, LEAVE HIM IN THE BOTTOM
HERE. ARE YOU PRESENT, SIR? OKAY, HERE HE COMES. WE WILL HAVE HIM COME
UPFRONT RIGHT THERE WITH JEFF
WHITE. ARE YOU HERE? COME ON UPFRONT AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT
ROW?
SMYTH. I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST
TIME.
2011 DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. FROM
1985 TO 2002 DAYTONA BEACH AND VOLUSIA COUNTY POURED $16.7 MILLION IN
TO THE MARRIOTT AND HILTON AND THE OCEAN WALK SHOPS AT THE RESORT,
WHICH EQUALS $50.7 MILLION IN 2013. AND BILL AND HIS PARTNERS, MR.
GILLESPIE CLAIMED THEY WOULD BUILD TWO LUXURY HOTELS ON THE BOARD WALK
AND THE SECOND FERRIS WHEEL THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED. THAT HE WOULD THEN
DEVELOP THAT ADVENTURE LANDING AND BROUGHT THE OCEAN FRONT HOTELS AND
THAT EVERYTHING WENT IN TO BANKRUPTCY AND THAT HE IS NOW IN FEDERAL
PRISON FOR SEALING MONEY FROM THE OCEAN WALK INVESTORS. THE CITY WOULD
LATER REFINANCE THE BOMBS, USED TO PAY FOR THE HILTON AND THE OCEAN
WALK PROJECTS, TAKING ON $37.7 MILLION IN DEBT INITIALLY TO BE PAID
BACK IN 1301 AND VOLUSIA COUNTY RECENTLY GAVE $41 MILLION OF THE
TAXPAYERS MONEY TO THE MULTIBILLIONAIRES THAT OWN NASCAR AND IN THE
NATIONAL SPEEDWAY FOR DAYTONA RISING AND THE SENATE QUOTE ON QUOTE AND
$4.2 MILLION TO JET BLUE AND THE COUNTY AND DAYTONA BEACH THAT WOULD
PLAN UNFINALLIZED SYSTEMS, WHICH EQUALS CORPORATE WELFARE TO THE HARD
ROCK HOTEL AND THE DEVELOPERS. THE SCHEME OF LEVELING THAT IS
REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND A COMMUNITY OF GOODS CENTRAL OWNERSHIP OF
THE PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION ARE AS STATIONARY AND IMPACTABLE WITH
THOSE EXPRESSING ALL PROPERTY. ARBITRARY TO OUR GOVERNMENT
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SAMUEL ADAMS. LET'S RETURN THE CONTROL OF THE BEACH
TO THE BEACH FRONT CITIES. OPEN UP ALL THE BEACH APPROACHES. REMOVE THE
ARMED POLICE AND GO BACK TO SIMPLE LIFE GUARDS ON ATVs AND OUR ECONOMY
WITH FIVE. THE CURRENT FAILED POLICIES HAVE RESULTED IN OVER 300
CLOSED HOTELS, BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS IN DAYTONA BEACH AND DAYTONA
BEACH SHORES ALONE HAVE INCREASED CRIME AND BLACK AND SERIOUSLY HURT
OUR TOURISM BUSINESS SINCE 1985. DON'T GIVE ANYMORE OF THE PEOPLE'S GOD
GIVEN BEACH AWAY TO THE EMPTY PROMISES OF PRIVATE HOTEL AND CONDO
DEVELOPERS. LASTLY VOLUSIA COUNTY SPEND $29 MILLION TO BUILD THE OCEAN
CENTER, WHICH LOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR UNTIL AN $82.2
MILLION RENOVATION WAS COMPLETED IN 2009. AFTER WHICH IT NOW LOSES
$1.9 MILLION PER YEAR. ALWAYS GOING TO BE VERY KEPT AL OF THE ROSEY
FORECAST PAINTED BY CONSULTANTS, BUSINESSMEN, AND CITY AND COUNTY ELECT
OFFICIALS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR.
PETER? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE T-I-R-N-E -- CHARLES DEAN TRIVET. IF YOU'RE
DOWNSTAIRS PLEASE COME UP AND JOIN US UPSTAIRS. SORRY, SIR YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR. THREE MINUTES.
MR. CHAIRMAN I'M PETER COROSCO. 300 EMERY DRIVE IN THE CITY OF DAYTONA
BEACH. I REPRESENT THE VOLUSIA COUNTY REPUBLIC AND ASSEMBLIES WHO
FORWARDED A RESOLUTION TO ALL OF YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR E-MAILS AND ALSO
WE COPIED AS WELL. WE EVALUATED THESE ORDINANCES IN THE LET VOLUSIA
VOTE. ACTIVITIES, AND THAT WE WOULD PASS THAT RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF
LET VOLUSIA VOTE.
IN ORDINANCE 2015-06 AND 2015-07 AND 2015-08 OR ANY ATTEMPTS TO
LIMIT ACCESS TO THE BEACH.
THERE HAVE BEEN PRESS REPORTS, WHICH HAVE
STATED THAT YOU -POINT OF ORDER. YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS
CHAIR, PLEASE.
ALL YOUR QUESTIONS THROUGH THE
FORGIVE ME. I SIMPLY WANT TODAY ASK IF IT WERE TRUE IF THE COUNCILWOMAN
HAS MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT SHE INTENDS TO VOTE AGAINST THESE
MEASURES AND I WAS GOING TO THANK -334 GEORGIA PEACH AVENUE, PORT
ORANGE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS JUST A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY.
AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER IN THESE MATTERS, I THINK. I'VE
LISTENED WITH TWO EARS TO EVERYBODY. I HAD TO GO OUT FOR A SHORT WHILE,
BUT THANK YOU TO THE CAPTAINS OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE CAPTAINS OF
CHARITY, AND THE CAPTAINS OF LIBERTY. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
WHAT BETTER TO HAVE THIS FAMILY BACK HERE AND MOMS IN JURY DUTY.
SOMEBODY -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE FIELD OF DREAMS. YEAH THAT CAME TO
MIND AS I WAS DRIVING OVER. BUT OVERSHADOWING THAT IS THE COCO'S
NECK. I'M JACK MICKLESON, MEETING WITH A GROUP OF DISABLED PEOPLE ONCE
A WEEK AS WE WOULD TAKE FIELD TRIPS. AND I THINK I REMEMBER IT THAT I
COULD BE WRONG, BUT LOADED UP A GROUP AND TOOK THEM FISHING. SOME IN
MY GROUP I MEET WITH, THERE'S ABOUT 30 OF THEM THAT THEY ARE ON HIGH
MEDS. THEY'RE DISABLED, THEY MIGHT LIKE TO MAKE A TRIP. SO WHAT I WANT
TO DO IS PLAN A BUS RIDE AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO FOLLOW FOR IF
AND WHEN. HEY DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND RIGHT HERE. MY BUS IS GOING TO BE
THERE AT 9:00, PACKED, OR WHOEVER WANTS TO FOLLOW. SET THE PACE. AND WE
WILL HAVE -AND YOU KNOW.
IT'S NOT JUST PARKING ON THE BEACH. MY 90-YEAR-OLD
DAD WILL PROBABLY BE WITH ME. I REALIZED THAT I HAD HIM ON THE INSIDE
AND OUTSIDE OF THE WATER SIDE, SO I TURNED AROUND AND WENT THE OTHER
WAY AND LET HIM DRIVE. THIS IS A FREEDOM ISSUE. AN EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITY THAT'S FANTASTIC AS WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. I
WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD TEACH YOU THE
COMPETITION OF LAW SCHOOL. NO. I WOULD LEARN MORE FROM THE CITIZENS. IT
IS MEETING RIGHT NOW BY A MOM HERE IN OUR COUNTY. JOHN JAY THE FIRST
CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES. AND SAID WHAT IS STILL TRUE TODAY.
THE JURY HAS THE DUTY, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE THE LAW AND THE
FACTS THAT ANYBODY WAS LIED TO ON THAT ONE. FOLLOW YOUR CONSCIOUS.
THAT'S YOUR RULE RIGHT THERE. THE JURY HAS A VOTE AS WE ALREADY HAVE A
VOTE. WE HAVE A VOTE AND I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
ADDRESS THE GROUP. I'M PROUD AS I CAN BE TO BE A PART OF THIS CITIZEN.
THANK YOU, SIR.
LLOYD MACKEY. HAS HE SHOWED UP? OKAY. I'M GOING TO
SUSAN, ARE YOU SUSAN? YOU LOOK TO BE SO PATIENT.
FLIP HIM. THERE.
THANK YOU. CAN I GET
IS HERE? HEY.
YOU TO SIT
UPFRONT? OH BUDDY
ALL RIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE TRULY AMAZING. AFTER I CALL THE NEXT
NAME. THAT'S THE LAST NAME. I HEARD THAT AND I HEARD IT FROM BACK HERE
TOO. THERE'S ONLY LIKE SEVEN PEOPLE LEFT THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK. I'M
GOING TO CALL LAST NAME IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
THIS ISSUE, DO SO NOW. AND THEIR TIME EXPIRES THAT WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE ON. STEW MARTIN.
STEW MARTIN? PLEASE STAND UP. WAVE YOUR HAND. OH,
BRING YOU A MICROPHONE, SIR.
OKAY. WE'LL
WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN YOU CALLED THE THREE PEOPLE, I GUESS THEY WERE
CONFUSED. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE DEFERRING THEIR TIME TO MR. BROWN AND I
BELIEVE THEY DID NOT INTEND TO DEFER THEIR TIME TO MR. BROWN, BUT THEY
DID STAND UP AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE CONFUSED WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON
JUST AS A HEADS UP.
OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO SAY NO
YOU. THEY WERE CONFUSED.
TO THEM, THAT THEY SHOULD BE HEARD.
THANK
OKAY. THESE PEOPLE.
YES.
NO, I CALLED SIGHT IMPAIRED SERVICES, THEY GOT GROUPED IN. WE'LL WORK
IT OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. OKAY. STEW MARVIN ARE YOU PRESENT?
OKAY, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST. IF THEY DON'T ANSWER, WE'LL MOVE ON
EVEN FURTHER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE COUNTY. YOU CAN MOVE THE
MICROPHONE UP. OH TRUST ME THEY'LL HEAR YOU.
SOME MEMBERS THINK THAT THIS COUNTY EXISTS TO PROVIDE YOUR POSITION.
YOUR POSITION EXISTS TO GIVE PEOPLE A VOICE AND PROVIDE FREEDOM. I'M
HERE TO WATCH THAT YOU HONOR THAT TRUST. THE BEACH SHOULD BE TREATED
AS AN ASSET, NOT A LIABILITY. BEACH DRIVING SHOULD BE EMBRACED, NOT
SHUNNED. WITH 46 REGISTERED VOTERS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. THERE WERE
351,549 DAILY ENTRIES TO DAYTONA BEACH. I THINK THAT SAYS SOMETHING.
PARKING ON THE BEACH IS ALWAYS A VIABLE WAY TO MANAGE THE AMOUNT OF
TRAFFIC AND BEACHGOERS IN OUR COUNTY. IT DOES NOT SEEM REASONABLE,
SENSITIVE, OR PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE. I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER YOUR
VOTE TODAY.
THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU. PAGING MARTIN ZIMMERMAN. OKAY, HE DID NOT SHOW UP. THAT'S
THE FOURTH TIME THAT WE HAVE CALLED HIM BRIAN GLAZE. IS THAT YOU, SIR?
YOU CAN USE YOUR CAIN TO GET UP HERE.
MY NAME IS BRIAN
GLAZE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
AND IT'S BEEN AN AREA RESIDENTS. I SUPPORT BEACH WALKING, THE ADVOCATES
THAT ARE FOR THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN COMPROMISES EVER SINCE
THEY BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GIVING UP SO
MANY MILES OF THE BEACH TO. WE'RE PACKED IN TO A SMALLER AND SMALLER
AREA ALL THE TIME. THEY WERE UNHEARD OF BECAUSE THE PUBLIC LOST THE
VEHICLE ACCESS TO SO MANY PARTS OF THE BEACH. ANY PERSON AGAINST BEACH
DRIVING HAS A FREEDOM OF CHOICE TO VISIT THE TRAFFIC-FREE AREA IF THEY
WANT TO AT ANY POINT IN TIME. WHEN I MOVED HERE.
THE BOARD WALK
AREA, THE COURT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT YOU CALLED IT
USED TO DRIVE DAY AND NIGHT WITH TOURISTS THAT WERE SPENDING MONEY
HAVING FUN. THEY RENTED HOTEL ROOMS. MY FAMILY WAS ONE OF THEM WHEN I
WAS A YOUNG ADULT. THEY VISIT A LOT OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS NOW AND THE
BEACH VISITORS NEED THE SAFETY GETTING MORE OF THE CARS ON THE BEACH.
THEY NEED THE SAFETY OF THEIR VEHICLES ON THE BEACH TO RETREAT TO IN
CASE OF THE THUNDER AND THE LIGHTNING STORMS. BESIDES THE CONVENIENCE
OF BRINGING THEIR CHAIRS AND THE SHADE AND THEIR UMBRELLAS, COOLERS,
KIDS TOYS, SURF BOARDS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S UNSAFE FOR THE BEACH
VISITORS TO CROSS.
WHETHER THEY ARE FOUR STAR, FIVE STAR, OR THREE STARS, NOT GOING
TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU STILL
JEFF WHITE?
HAD A FEW SECONDS LEFT.
ALL
ALL RIGHT THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
NAME IS JEFF WHITE. DAYTONA BEACH.
RIGHT.
MY
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
AND I KNOW WHERE TO START. I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD USE THIS WORD,
JUST WANT TO SAY ONE WORD. CARPET BAGGERS. CAN I SAY THAT?
BUT I
AND WE'LL BEEP IT OUT LATER.
OKAY. JUST CARPET BAGGERS. OKAY. AND ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO MAYBE, YOU
KNOW, BEFORE THE HURRICANES EVEN. THEY'VE DESTROYED A WHOLE AREA OF
DAYTONA BEACH TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A CONDO CALLED BLACK PEARL. AND THAT
PROPERTY STILL SITS VACANT. NOBODY IS LIVING THERE, BUT BUMS AND
ARMADILLOS AND RACCOONS WITH A BIG SECTION OF THE PENINSULA DRIVE WHO
ARE OKAY. AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS GROUP. THE CANADIAN GROUP, THE
INVESTMENT GROUP CALLED BAY SHORE. THEY'VE BOUGHT THE LICENSING OF A
NAME HARD ROCK CAFE. AND THAT LICENSE EXPIRES AT A CERTAIN POINT IN
TIME. SO THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE A HARD ROCK CAFE THERE THAT IT WILL BE
A BIG CAST. THE OTHER THING SAYING THAT THEY BUILT DOWN THERE IN HOLLY
HILL THIS EMPTY EXCEPT MAYBE ONE CONDO PER FLOOR BACK IN '98.
OVER ON ST. PETE OR WHATEVER TO PICK IT UP AS WE WENT OUT TO THIS
ISLAND, THE CHAIN THERE AND THERE IS NO CARS ANYWHERE THAT IT WAS JUST
SOME LANDSCAPED GUYS GOING TO THE COMBINATION OF THE 7-ELEVEN GAS
STATION AND TO BUY LUNCH AND WHOLE PLACES LIKE THE GHOST TOWN. BUT
HUNDREDS OF THESE BIG CONDOS, NOTHING THERE NO PEOPLE LIVING. YOU KNOW,
WE FINALLY FOUND SOME PEOPLE. AND THE HOUSE OF THE OCEAN FRONT FLOOR
PROPERTY WHEN WE WOULD GET IN TO VOTE AND OUTSIDE OF THAT THERE IS
NOTHING THERE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP HERE IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF
BLIGHT. BUT YOU GUYS GIVING THE BEACH. AND YOU GUYS ARE GIVING THE
BEACH TO THESE GUYS. YOU WOULD CLOSE THEM. WITHOUT EVEN HEARING FROM
WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD CLOSE THE BEACH. NOT YOU GUYS
PERSONALLY, BUT THE COUNTY WITH THE BEACH.
WITHOUT EVEN ANY VOICE FROM THOSE PEOPLE. CREATING ORDINANCES. AND
NOW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER TO US. AND NOW THAT I KNOW THAT
THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT MADE PROMISES SO THAT THEY WOULD
GET ELECTED AND THAT THEY WOULD RENAME THEM. AND I KNOW THAT THEY
NEVER MENTIONED NAMES BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IT
IS ALREADY CUT AND DRY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. I PREDICTED THIS WHEN
WE STARTED SEEING. BUT ALSO WHEN I'M OUT THERE GETTING THE PETITION
SIGNED FROM LETTING PEOPLE VOTE THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE, THAT THE SECOND
QUESTION THEY WOULD ASK US IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE PETITIONS
OUT FOR THE OTHER RECALL.
THE RECALL YOU GUYS. SO AS SOON AS WE ARE
DONE WITH THIS PETITION, WE'RE GOING TO START THE CALLS.
YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, SIR. CHARLES DEAN?
EASY, SIR. CHARLES DEAN?
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MIKE DENNIS, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. LET ME CALL A FEW
MORE NAMES TO FILL A FEW MORE SEATS THERE. PETER? DOUG HALL AND NANCY.
AND BARBARA COLEMAN? ARE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE? YOU'RE BACK THERE. OKAY
YOU SAID THAT. WE'LL BRING THE MICROPHONE UP TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. WELCOME
ON UPFRONT. MIKE DENNIS?
MY NAME IS MIKE
DENNIS.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND. GIVE HIM A HAND. I DON'T NEED ANYMORE
SORRY, YOU HAD THE FLOOR, SIR.
PROBLEMS. I'M
GOOD MORNING. IF IT'S NOT, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MIKE DENIM I LIVE
AT 625 LENNOX AVENUE, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON
THIS, THESE PROPOSALS. ONE THING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IS YOU HAVE
ISB, WHICH IS 26% OF THE BEACH TRAFFIC PER VOLUSIA COUNTY RECORDS.
WHAT REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN YOU CLOSE THAT ARE YOU GOING TO
CREATE ANOTHER MAIN STREET OUT OF ISB. TALK ABOUT BLIGHT. THAT'S GOING
TO KILL IT. ANOTHER POINT IS THIS IS PERTINENT THAT YOU CAN'T UNDO
THIS. I ASKED ONE OF THE COUNCILMAN AND THEY SAID THAT YOU CANNOT UNDO
THIS. AND SO THIS IS IT. YOUR PEACE RULING TO THE BEACH IS SOMETHING
THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE A LONG TIME AGO. AFTER THE FIRST DESERT THEY
DIDN'T THINK WE REALLY NEEDED TO SET STANDARDS. QUIT PEACE MAILING OUR
BEACH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. LET VOLUSIA VOTE. THANK YOU.
TOM CAIN.
GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL
AND THE STAFF.
MY WIFE AND I BETTY ARE STRONGLY SUPPORT OF BEACH
DRIVING. A PART OF THE 14,000 PEOPLE THAT CREATED A STACK THAT'S ALMOST
NINE-FOOT TALL. AND I'M HERE TO ALSO TELL YOU THAT
-- THAT DAVE BYRON
WILL BE QUICK TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY.
MY WIFE AND I OWN ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND THOSE 11,500 BUSINESSES
MAKE UNDER $1 MILLION IN REVENUE. AND FOR THE MOST PART THEY ASKED FOR
NOTHING. THEY ARE STAND ALONE. WE CAN'T AFFORD EXPENSIVE LOBBYISTS LIKE
JIM MORRIS OR GLEN STORCH OR THE BIGGEST OF O THEM ALL. WE ARE JUST
SMALL BUSINESS -- BUSINESSMEN STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. WE
DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT MOTELS, WHICH ONLY CONTRIBUTE THE MOTELS AND
THE HOTELS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO LESS THAN 1% TO OUR TAX BURDEN. 67% OF
THE TAX BURDEN COMES FROM THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENCE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY
AND THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT THEY HAVE YOUR
EAR TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE BEACH THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO SHUT DOWN AND IGNORE THE CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, THOMAS JEFFERSON
ONCE SAID THAT AT THE END OF THE DEMOCRACY IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY THE
MAJORITY THAT IT IS COLD BY THE MAJORITY THAT PARTICIPATE. BUT THOSE
14,000 SIGNATURES THAT YOU SEE SO FAR, THAT THEY ARE PARTICIPANTS AND
THEY ARE TO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE 500,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN
VOLUSIA COUNTY. IN CONNECTION WITH TOURISM, WE DRAW NINE MILLION PEOPLE
TO COME TO THE CITY FOR FOUR AND A HALF BILLION DOLLAR REVENUE EVERY
YEAR. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, BOB DAVIS WILL BE QUICK TO TELL YOU THAT
80% OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE HERE FROM MOSTLY THE SOUTHEASTERN
STATES TO GET HERE IN ONE DAY AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DRIVE HERE AND
THEY LOVE TO DRIVE AS THEY WOULD COME HERE FOR THE CAR EVENTS LIKE SIX
NASCAR RACES, THE TURKEY RUN. THE OTHER CAR SHOWS AND THE MOTORCYCLE
RACES. THAT THEY MADE A CAMPAIGN PROMISE NOT TO TAKE CARS OFF THE
BEACH. AND THE OTHER DAY IN THE PAPER ON SUNDAY, THEY PRETTY MUCH
STATED THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED. AND THAT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT IT WAS IN
THE NEWSPAPER AND THAT IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPER, THEY POINT OUT THAT THIS
MEETING TODAY IS REALLY ILLEGAL. THAT YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN TO ANY OF THE
PROPERTY OWNERS ADJACENT TO AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND THEM A LETTER TO GIVE
THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO IT. SO
THEY ARE RIGHT. SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO DO AWAY WITH IT OR VOTE NO.
AND HELLO MRS. KING.
AND MY NAME IS BETTY KING. 101 UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD, DAYTONA BEACH,
FLORIDA.
TRUTH, HONESTY, THAT WE USED TO SHAKE HANDS AND SAY THAT WE'LL DO
THIS FOR THAT AND PEOPLE LIVED UP TO THEIR PROMISES. AND HOW THEY LOVE
THE BEACH TOO AND NOW I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING SOLD OUT. I FEEL LIKE
YOU GUYS NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. GIVE
ME A BREAK. WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING? IT'S LIKE 230 ROOMS. WHAT ARE YOU
BRINGING A BUNCH OF MAIDS FOR $6 TO $8? AND THEN THE MONEY GOES OUT OF
TOWN? WE'RE HELPING THEM. THEY'VE GOT A BARGAIN ON THE PROPERTY. AND
THEY STARTED THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR DRIVE.
AND TO SAY NO
TO THEM. AND THE HARD ROCK JUST FELT LIKE THEY, LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE
GETTING. THAT I WANT SOME TOO. AND SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU
THINK ABOUT IT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE,
EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT THE SAME THING. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
PARKING ACROSS THE STREET. BUT WHAT DID THAT DO FOR ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT? IT TOOK MONEY TO BUY THESE PARCELS. WHAT DID THAT DO? OH
IT TOOK IT OUT TO THE TAX ROLLS. THAT'S OKAY. JUST KEEP ASKING PEOPLE
FOR MORE SO WE COULD GIVE IT AWAY. AREN'T WE A LOT GENEROUS? WE ARE TOO
GENEROUS TO THE SALESPEOPLE. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BRIBED TO COME
HERE TO BUY A PROPERTY. THAT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AND I ASK YOU
ALL TO PLEASE END THE ORDINANCE AND VOTE NO IF YOU HAVE TO GO AHEAD.
YOU CAN STOP THIS RIGHT NOW AND LET US HAVE OUR 17 MILES OF BEACH
INSTEAD OF 47. SO PLEASE DO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO WHILE YOU'RE HERE.
AND ALSO WE THINK THAT YOU REPRESENT US AND I WOULD STILL LOVE TO
HAVE TRUST IN MY COUNCIL THEY PAY TO REPRESENT ME. PLEASE DO THE NO LET
ME DOWN. PLEASE SAY NO. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ALL RIGHT, STEW MARVIN HAVE YOU SHOWED UP YET? HE IS DONE. PETER, HERE
YOU ARE, SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE IN 2745 BIG JOHN DRIVE. AND THE LAND IN WHICH WE ARE WRITING
THAT PAPER THE OTHER DAY THAT IS BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE COUNTY.
AND
IT SORT OF CHANGES THAT SUBJECT HERE.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND, SIR.
OKAY. AND THIS ISSUE IS NOT FOR THE
COUNCIL AT THIS MOMENT THAT I WILL HOLD YOUR SLIP. AND THIS ONE WILL BE
TAKEN AFTER LUNCH.
AFTER LUNCH. AFTER LUNCH. I'M SO SORRY THAT I DID NOT LOOK AND
THOUGHT YOU WERE A PART OF THE BEACH DRIVING ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND
SORRY.
IT IS A SURPRISE.
I
AND THAT I'M SO
IT'S OKAY. HAVE A SEAT, SIR. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK MOMENTARILY. IN JUST A
LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT, DOUG HALL, RAISE YOUR HANDS. NO, JUST SIT DOWN,
SIR. JUST HAVE A SEAT AND GIVE THEM THE MICROPHONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF
IT.
SIR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND JUST A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE THEM THE
MIC.
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND MY
NAME IS DOUG HALL AND I LIVE AT 1405 EDGE WATER ROAD INDAYTONA BEACH.
OKAY SIR, HERE IS THE WAY THAT WE'LL DO IT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE CLOCK
RUNS OUT, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO FINISH UP YOUR
POINT.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL TAKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT AND THAT I'M HERE TO SUPPORT
THE SCA PROPOSAL, REGARDING SETTING THE STANDARD FOR DEVELOPERS.
AND
WHO ARE INTERESTED IN LIMITING THE CAR ACCESS TO THE BEACHES BEHIND
THEIR PROPERTY. FRANKLY I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE ISSUE. HOWEVER
I AM A SUPPORTER THAT WE NEED TO SET STANDARDS.
EARLIER RECORDING THEIR PLANS FOR DISABILITY AND FOR HANDICAPPED
ACCESS. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THAT'S TWO PROPERTIES. WHAT ABOUT OTHER
PROPERTIES? WE NEED TO SET SOMETHING WHERE WE ARE MANDATING THAT
EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME THING.
WE NEED TO REMEMBER DISABILITY.
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CARS, WHATEVER. AND MY FEELING IS THAT
WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT DISABILITIES. THAT THIS ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS
THAT DO MANDATES AND FRANKLY NOT BEING DONE. I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY
ABOUT TWO ITEMS. ONE PARKING. WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING OFF BEACH THAT'S
GREAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT HANDICAPPED PARKING? THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE
WITH WHEELCHAIRS AND MOBILITY PROBLEMS THAT NEED PARKING AND I HAVEN'T
HEARD ANYTHING SAID. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT
IT. ACCESS TO THE BEACH. YES, GETTING FROM PARKING TO THE BEACHES
ARE. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THIS ARE STEEP STEPS TO GO TO
THE BEACH. HOW IN THE WORLD SOMEONE THAT IS MOBILITY IMPAIRED GET TO
THE BEACH IF THERE ARE STEEP STEPS? THEY NEED TO HAVE RAMPS. THAT'S
CORRECT. AND DAYTONA BEACH THAT WOULD HAVE THE BEACH WHEELCHAIRS. THAT
THEY WOULD SEEMED TO HAVE DISAPPEARED.
AND THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT
BACK. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THEY WILL NEED TO LOOK AT TO ASK THE
DEVELOPERS AND THE HOTELS TO PROVIDE THE BEACH CHAIRS FOR THEMSELVES
THAT THEY COULD EVEN CHARGE THE RENT LIKE DISNEY DOES ON THE ITEMS.
OKAY MR. HALL YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.
GOOD. THAT'S FINE. THE OTHER THING REAL BRIEFLY IS ABOUT BOARD WALK. WE
HAVE A BOARD WALK NOW THAT'S BY THE OCEAN CENTER. AND I SUGGEST THAT
WE MIGHT WANT TO SET SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE A BOARD WALK ALONG THIS
WHOLE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE COULD TAKE A WALK WHETHER THEY ARE IN A
WHEELCHAIR OR NOT AND I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT COULD BE
DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MR. HALL.
NANCY BURGESS-HALL, YOU'RE NEXT.
GOOD AFTERNOON VOLUSIA COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, CITIZENS. I LIVE AT
1405 EDGEWATERROAD DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO PROCESS WHAT I'M
ABOUT TO SAY.
THAT I'M GRATIFIED THAT MUCH OF WHAT I WROTE HERE WAS
ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IMPRINTED.
I RESPECTED OUR CORE AREA OF DAYTONA BEACH IS BLIGHTED. AND MANY
INCLUDING MYSELF WANT TO BRING IN NICE HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, ETC. I'D
VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THE DREAMS WHERE BOTH EXPENSIVE VENUES ARE
AVAILABLE AS WELL AS MEDIUM PLACES FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE HIGH
INCOMES.
BUT I DON'T WANT IT AT THE EXPENSE OF PUBLIC ACCESS AT ALL
INCLUDING THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WALK. I SUPPORT REPLACEMENT
OF THE LOST PARKING SPOTS WITH THE EQUAL AMOUNT OF FREE PARKING OR
RATES TO EQUAL TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH ON THE EAST
SIDE. AND THE HANDICAPPED AND THE WHEELCHAIR WITH THE PARKING THAT MUST
BE AVAILABLE ON THE EAST SIDE, MEETING OR EXCEEDING WHAT WILL BE
REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATE. AND THAT I URGE THE COUNTY AND THE HOTELS
REQUESTING NO DRIVING ON THE BEACH OR EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE ALLOWED
DRIVING TO INCLUDE RAMPED ACCESS TO THE BEACH, BOTH OFF I1A AND -- A1A
AND IN ADDITION THAT I WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY AND THE INDIVIDUAL HOTELS
TO PROVIDE THE ACCESSIBLE BEACH CHAIRS WITH THE MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS.
THE AVAILABILITY SHOULD BE POSTED IN PROMINENT PLACES, INCLUDING HOTEL
AND TOURISM LITERATURE THAT IT COULD BE ADVERTISED AS ANOTHER BENEFIT
TO VACATIONING IN DAYTONA BEACH THAT I HAVE TRAVELED AROUND AND I
RARELY FIND HOTEL ROOMS THAT HAVE ROLLING SHOWERS AND ACCESSIBILITY
FACING THE BEACH THAT I RARELY SEE ADVERTISED, ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE
ACCESSIBLE RAMPS ARE OR WHERE THE BEACH CHAIRS COULD BE FOUND THAT IT
COULD REALLY BE AN ATTRACTION FOR DAYTONA BEACH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ALL RIGHT MARGARET COLEMAN. WHERE ARE YOU AT, HOLLY? COME ON UP
AND HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT. HERE'S THE DEAL, OKAY? THESE ARE THE LAST
TWO SPEAKERS.
OH, I DON'T HAVE HIS THING, WE'LL LET HIM SPEAK AFTER
THE YOUNG LADIES. WE'VE GOT THEM COVERED.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS BARBARA COLEMAN. I LIVE AT 305
JOHN ANDERSON DRIVE.
IN FLORIDA. AND I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I MOVED
HERE IN 1968. WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL I HAD A SURF SHOP WITH MY
BROTHERS ON MAIN STREET, WHICH WAS VERY ACTIVE AND VITAL AT TIMES. AND
WE HAD OPEN DRIVING THAT WAS NIGHT, DAY, THAT SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER.
AND THEIR PORTION OF THE BEACH.
AND THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE BY THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT IN OTHER
WORDS WHEN YOU WERE DRIVING THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO GO UP THE APPROACH
TO GET OFF THE BEACH TO GET BACK ON TO DAYTONAS AS WE WANTED TO AVOID
THAT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE. THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF WHY WE LET YOU
ALL VOLUSIA COUNTY MANAGE OUR BEACH. THE IDEA OF BEING WAS THAT IF WE
HAD IT ALL ONE CONTINUOUS BEACH THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE THE
DISAGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD AMONG THE CITIES. NOW AS WE HAVE COME FULL
CIRCLE AND NOW WE SEE THAT ONCE AGAIN THE BULK OF THIS ORGANIZATION OF
THE BEACH. AND THE EASE OF ACCESS IS WHAT MADE DAYTONA VERY
ATTRACTIVE. GETTING ON AND OFF AND THAT I MYSELF HAD A SAILBOAT THAT I
DIDN'T HAVE THAT CAR AT THAT TIME AND I LITERALLY WALKED MY SAILBOAT
DOWN TO THE BEACH. DOWN THE BEACH RAMP, WHICH IS NOW CLOSED. SO ANY
YOUNG PERSON OF THAT TIME WHEN I WAS LIKE 15, THEY CAN'T DO THAT
ANYMORE THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED. JUST THE
SAILBOAT RIDE. THE HANDICAPPED ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT ESSENTIALLY
IT'LL TAKE TWO PEOPLE TO GET A HANDICAPPED PERSON DOWN THE BEACH. WHY?
YOU TAKE SOMEBODY IN A METAL HANDICAPPED WHEELCHAIR AND YOU GET THEM
DOWN TO THE BEACH TO TRADE OFF THE BEACH ITEM. THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE
SOMEONE TAKE THAT BACK TO THE CAR SO THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THIS
COUNTY TO SAY THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT SOME PLASTIC HANDICAPPED
CHAIRS FOR THEM. CARS, IF YOU TOOK PHYSICS IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE
AND THAT YOU KNOW THE SAFEST PLACE IS A CAR, WHY? BECAUSE IF
LIGHTNING STRIKES AND WITH THE MANY OF THE FAMILIES THAT WILL COME TO
THE BEACH. THAT THEY COULD GET IN THE CAR TO GET OUT OF THEIR STORMS
THAT IT IS NOT LIKE THAT UP NORTH AND THAT OUR STORMS WILL COME ON
QUICKLY. AND MY FATHER USED TO COME DOWN TO THE BEACH TO GET ME OUT OF
THE SAILBOAT AND DRIVE THE CAR AND GET ME IN TO THE CAR WHILE THE STORM
PASSED.
THE BEACH IS DIALIC.
YOU HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME.
JUST LAST THING, YOUR MISSION
IS NOT TO RAISE OUR TAX BASE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ALL RIGHT, HOLLY, YOU ARE NEXT. NO, NO, NO, HE'S ON
AND YOU ARE. HE JUST LIKES SITTING HERE WITH US.
I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE, BUT
A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
I LIVE ON 120.
CAN YOU COME CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE
SO WE CAN HEAR YOU?
I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE, WHICH IS WITHIN FEET
OF SUMMER BEACH AND THE SILVER BEACH APPROACH. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO
INCREASED TRAFFIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO ASKING
FOR MY PARKING PERMITS FOR IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I WANTED -TO CARRY ON WITH SAFETY BEING FIRST. MANY OF YOU MIGHT BE FROM
HERE, MIGHT NOT BE FROM HERE. A COUPLE YEARS AGO A LITTLE GIRL IN
FLAGLER WAS KILLED WHEN SHE CHASED HER BEACH BALL OUT IN TO THE
TRAFFIC. THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO AVOID.
AND IF YOU
COULD PAUSE THAT, FINISH YOURS.
THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OF US HERE. I'M ABOUT TO GRADUATE WITH A DEGREE
IN ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS AND THAT I APPRECIATE THESE PEOPLE COMING TO
OUR TOWN AS I DON'T APPRECIATE THE MUSIC.
AND THAT THE SAFETY
FEATURES, OF COURSE THEY WOULD GO FIRST AND THAT I WANTED TO SHED THE
LIGHT AND THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT HIT. AND I SEE A CHILD GO FLYING ON MY
WAY TO THE BEACH. THAT I COULDN'T STOP THAT IT WAS AN EMERGENCY AND IT
WAS NOT MY CHILD OR MY PEOPLE. AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN THAT
THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT, THAT CORE AREA THAT YOU SPEAK OF, THEY CAN'T
CROSS THE ROAD NOW. MUCH LESS WITH CHAIRS. THAT EVERYBODY JAYWALKS.
IT'LL BE ENOUGH TO DRIVE YOU NUTS WHEN YOU WOULD LIVE HERE AS I WAS
RAISED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, BORN IN SONO COUNTY. AND THERE
WAS A HOSPITAL IN DELTONA, NOW I OWN PROPERTY IN DAYTONA BEACH.
NOTHING'S IMPROVED. I COME BACK TO THIS AREA IN 2001. AND THE FIRST
THING THAT I DID BEFORE EVEN STOPPING AT MY HOUSE. IT WAS TO GO TO
DRIVE DOWN THE BEACH. LIKE I HAD ALWAYS KNOWN AND THAT THEY WERE ABLE
TO DO. AND TO GROW UP MY HEART.
THAT YOU CAN ALL DATE THIS BACK TO THE BEGINNING. OPEN THE BEACHES
ENTIRELY AND LET US WORK WITH IT FROM THERE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT
NIGHT BEACH DRIVING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO HAVE EVENTS
AND SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO SO BADLY WANTED TO JUST DRIVE. I DON'T. FOR
HOWEVER MANY MILES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT TO LET US DO IT
AGAIN. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES. TO STOP THIS NOW AND TAKE THE
TIME TO BE PROFESSIONALS AND CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE MONEY FOR
THIS COUNTY. IF ANYBODY HAS EVER BOTHERED TO LOOK AT LIBRARY IN ORLANDO
WITH A BOOK. IT IS ACTUALLY DEFINITIVE AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY
STAND FOR. IT'S' ONE. A PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN OPINION AND PEOPLE TO COME
TO SPEAK HERE AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD RESPECT OUT. IT'S
TEARING THIS PLACE APART. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU,
MA'AM.
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. OKAY.
OKAY,
BOB.
WATCH OUT. MRS. HALL IS
NO, NO YOU SIT RIGHT
THERE, BOB.
IN FRONT OF YOU.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BOB.
ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU.
HEY, DON'T DO THAT. DON'T BREAK
THE --
EQUIPMENT TODAY.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
OKAY FOR THE RECORD WE NEED YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. AND I WILL
LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I APPRECIATE THAT. MY NAME IS ROBERT. I LIVE AT 100 SILVER BEACH
AVENUE. THAT'S THE WORD WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF TODAY. I'VE BEEN
HERE AND MY CURRENT ADDRESS FOR APPROXIMATELY 23 YEARS I CAME TO
FLORIDA FROM NEW YORK IN '83. AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. I AM
A MEMBER TO SIT ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH THE LEGAL ADVOCACY
CENTER FOR THE CENTRAL FLORIDA. CONSUMING 12 COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATIONS
GOING FROM THE COAST HERE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. AND
TODAY I WAS VERY HARD AND SURPRISED TO HEAR HOW MANY PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE
OF THE CORNER OR THE OTHER MENTIONED THE ADA LAWS, INCLUDING JUST
RECENTLY A MEMBER OF THE LEGAL FIRM.
AND THAT SPOKE OF THE ADA
COMPLIANCE. THAT IT MUST BE MAKING THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR
THE DISABLED. AND THIS IS WHAT I AM HOPING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.
AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE PIN THAT I WEAR THAT I SUPPORT THE THREE
AMENDMENTS COMING TODAY. HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO TWEAK IT AS THEY WILL
DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THIS NEW
DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. AND I BELIEVE
THAT WE SHOULD BUILD A BOARD WALK FROM SILVER BEACH TO THE UNIVERSITY.
AND HAVING CONNECTIONS TO THE BUSINESSES AND ALSO TO THE BEACH FOR ALL
WITH THE RAMPS TO GO DOWN ON THIS HARD WALK. IF YOUR WALKED UP SOME OF
THE STAIRS TO THE DUNES UP IN FLAGLER AND THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY
HERE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN THERE'S A HIGH TIDE AND THE SANDS GET
PUSHED IN THAT THE STAIRS ARE BURIED. SO THE HARD SAND AND BURY IT SO
THAT THERE ALWAYS WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL WAY FOR THE PERSONS WHO HAVE
MOBILITY PROBLEMS TO GET TO THE BEACH. NUMBER TWO, BY BUILDING THIS
BOARD WALK, YOU ARE GIVING SOMETHING BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT
BE TAKING PARKING AWAY FROM THEM, BUT YOU ARE GIVING THEM SOMETHING
BACK AND THEY WILL COME. IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO ATLANTIC CITY. THE
BOARD WALKS ARE ALWAYS BEING USED, ESPECIALLY BEING THERE IN THE
MORNING WITH THE LATER PART OF THE AFTERNOON. AND THIS WILL OPEN UP
NEW BUSINESS ENTERPRISES FOR -- ENTERPRISES. I HOPE THAT YOU INCLUDE
MEMBERS OF THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND I'M VOLUNTEERING RIGHT NOW MYSELF
AND I KNOW OTHERS THAT WILL.
BOB.
AND MY 30 SECONDS ARE TO GO. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE
COUNTY. YOU ALSO HELPED US BUILD A NEW BRIDGE. I WAS AGAINST IT WHEN
THEY WANTED TO TEAR DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH A HIGH-RISE. BUT WHEN WE
GOT VOTED DOWN ON THAT I VOLUNTEERED AND I DID SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE
FOR A NEW VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE AS WE NOW HAVE PLAN TO HAVE CHARGING
STATIONS. COULD YOU PUT A FIVE-STORY BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT? BUT WE
HAVE A WAY OF CONQUERING IT NOW.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, BOB.
THANK YOU.
JEFF IS COMING UP ON YOUR RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT WE ARE OUT OF
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
SO WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THIS
PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE WILL NOW OPEN UP THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON
ORDINANCES 2015-06. THE FIRST ORDINANCE, MR. WAGNER?
YES. MY COMMENTS WILL BE SOMEWHAT SHORT. A LOT OF MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN
OUT THERE ALREADY TO THE MEDIA. FIRST AND FOREMOST THANK YOU EVERYONE
FOR BEING HERE. I'VE APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS. I THOUGHT THERE WERE
SOME GREAT SPEAKERS, SOME GREAT THINGS SAID FROM BOTH SIDES. SO THANK
YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU FOR BEING CORDIAL.
A FEW PARTICULAR PEOPLE
I THINK THAT WERE HELPFUL THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. DAVID DAVIS, I
THOUGHT YOU WERE ENGAGED, VERY SABLE. I THINK THAT YOU'RE A SHARP
MANWISE MAY DISAGREE -- A SHARP MAN AS WE MAY DISAGREE ON THAT. JAMES
HARPER, I'M NOT A NANCY REAGAN MAN. TO AFFECT ANY GROUPS THE MINORITIES
WITH THE DRUG WAR HAS BEEN CATASTROPHIC, SO I WILL NOT BE USING THAT
AS MY IN REALLY GETTING THIS OUT. Z I THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT. GREG HAS
BEEN A CHAMPION FOR THIS CAUSE EARLY ON. AND I'VE KNOWN GREG SINCE I
HAVE SERVED FOR HIS BROTHER SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID, BUT I'VE KNOWN
HIM FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR ME
PERSONALLY AS I PULL OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. THAT'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW'S
HOUSE. WHO ALSO PERSUADED MY MOM. IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TIMES IN THE
WAGNER HOUSEHOLD. I HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO BEACH DRIVING IN THE PAST.
I'M STILL COMMITTED TO BEACH DRIVING AND PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT I AM. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BEACH
DIRECTOR CAN AFFIRM THIS THAT I WOULD CALL HIM AND COMPLAIN CONSTANTLY
ABOUT THE BEACH BEING CLOSED AND WHY ARE WE CLOSING IT AT THIS TIME AND
THIS AND WHY ARE THERE CONES HERE AND WHAT ARE WE UP TO? SOMEONE
MENTIONED IN DRIVING ON THE BEACH WITH TWO LITTLE KIDS WHEN THAT IS
HIGH IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. WHEN IT IS HIGH AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED ON
THE BEACH WE BRING THEM DOWN THERE. I DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, BUT IT'S A
DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AS A PARENT. I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I SPEND MOST OF
MY TIME, THERE'S NO DRIVING ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SURF THERE, WHICH
IS NICE BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE RIGHT UP TO IT. I'M MAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT
OPEN AND I NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S A PAIN AND AWFUL AND SOMETHING
TO GET USED TO. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE BEACH DRIVING. THAT'S THE POINT.
IT'S A STAND UP PADDLE BOARD. AND I HEARD A WHISPER OVER THERE, I'M
SORRY. AND THAT I ONLY HAVE IT BECAUSE OF THE KIDS. BUT THAT'S THE
ISSUES WITH THE BEACH DRIVING AND HOW I SEE THIS IN MY WHY THAT I WANT
TO KEEP IT SHORT. THIS IS HARD FOR ME AND DIFFICULT BECAUSE I HAVE
BEEN A BEACH PRO DRIVING PERSON, REMAINING A BEACH DRIVING PERSON, BUT
I HAVE A SOMEWHAT OF A DILEMMA AS THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE WILL
CONTINUE TO IN MY OPINION NOT SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT I THINK WILL GIVE
US TO A POINT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT LEVEL THAT I THINK
THAT WE'LL NEED TO GO TO AND AS I EXPLAINED THIS TO MY 2-YEAR-OLD AND
4-YEAR-OLD LAST NIGHT. WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON BEACH DRIVING. THAT THEY
WERE CONFUSED. WE WOULD GO THERE ON SUNDAY IN FRONT OF THE DRIVE-IN
CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY. IT IS JUST ME AND MY TWO KIDS AND THAT THEY WOULD
TEACH THEM HOW TO PRAY, BUT WE GO THERE EVERY SUNDAY AND A LOT OF THE
TIMES THEY ARE OVER THERE ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR
THOUGHTS, REALLY THEN GAUGING THEM. JUST SMART KIDS. THE FIRST THOUGHT
FROM THE 4-YEAR-OLD, DAD WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING ON THE BEACH?
WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE INSTANT REACTION. THAT WE'RE GOING
TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE BEACH AND IT EASED THEM QUITE A BIT. HE WAS
VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM QUITE A BIT. I EXPLAINED WHY I THINK THAT
THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT. HIS FUTURE GOING TO THE NEXT LEVEL. THAT I'M
TIRED OF IT. MY FRIENDS LEAVING. IS THIS THE ANSWER? NOT IN ITSELF,
BUT TRADER JOE'S IS. DAYTONA WON, DAYTONA PRICES AS I WOULD LOOK AS A
WHOLE THAT I'M OKAY WITH THE LEGACY GETTING RID OF 1,300 FEET OR
POSSIBLY A MILE THAT I'M OKAY WITH IT, I ACCEPT IT. WHAT I DON'T WANT
MY LEGACY TO BE IS THE COUNCIL OF NO. THAT I DON'T WANT IT. THAT
SOMETIMES THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE HARD AND I DON'T LIKE THEM
THAT THEY WOULD GO AGAINST IT. THAT I DON'T LIKE THEM. BUT I WAS
ELECTED TO MAKE THE TOUGH HARD DECISIONS.
AND THAT ARE NOT PERSONAL TO
ME BECAUSE THAT A PERSONAL ME DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT WHAT I WAS
ELECTED TO DO IS THIS AND THAT IS MY VIEW, ACCEPT IT, I GET IT. BUT I
WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR FIRST ORDINANCE.
OKAY. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL
SECOND?
OF THE ORDINANCE 2015-06, DO I
HEAR A
SECOND.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON.
MR. WAGNER? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.
MR. DANIELS.
THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT?
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE ONE THING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S ROLE, THAT
THEY WOULD HAVE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT WE WOULD TAKE OVER THE ROLE OF
RUNNING THE BEACH. AND THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE A REMARKABLE JOB ON
THIS. TO PRESERVE THE BEACH DRIVING. IN FACT WE HAVE PRESERVED IT LONG
BEFORE HIS NATURAL LIFE. THE CITIES WOULD HAVE NEVER LAID OUT THE MONEY
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN THEM OFF THE BEACH 20 YEARS AGO. SO ANYBODY
THAT LIKES BEACH DRIVING, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE THANKING THE COUNTY FOR
PRESERVING IT AND PRESERVING IT FOR A LOT LONGER THAN THE CITIES THAT
WOULD HAVE AND THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ANYWAY.
MR. DANIELS IF I MAY FOR A MOMENT. OKAY FOLKS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU
HAD YOUR CHANCE AND WE WERE RESPECTFUL TO YOUR VIEWS AND THAT WE DIDN'T
HAVE LAUGHTER BACK HERE THAT WE WERE NOT GIGGLING, THAT WE WERE DOING
OUR JOB.
MR. DANIELS HAS THE FLOOR. PLEASE GIVE HIM THE RESPECT. AND
DUE OF HAVING THE FLOOR. AND I APOLOGIZE MR. DANIELS YOU STILL HAVE THE
FLOOR.
THANK YOU.
AND YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN ARGUING TO GET THE CARS OFF THE BEACH FOR 20
YEARS. BECOMING APPARENT WHEN I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BEACH COMMITTEE
AND THE CHARTER REVIEW DOING A LOT OF ECONOMIC DAMAGES IN THE AREA TO
CHANGE MY MIND AS I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE EVER SINCE. AND WHAT I WOULD
LIKE TO DO IS TO PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST THINK ABOUT JUST DOING
IT. AND JUST TAKE THE CARS OFF THE BEACH FROM THE UNIVERSITY TO SILVER
BEACH. SO JUST DO IT.
AND THE REASON FOR DOING IT IS THAT A FOUR OR
FIVE-STAR HOTEL IS NOT LIKELY TO SHOW IF YOU ARE IN VEGAS TO TAKE THE
CARS OFF THE BEACH TO RUN THIS GAUNTLET THAT THEY ARE JUST NOT GOING TO
DO IT. ANYBODY WITH MONEY THAT WILL BRING THE INTELLIGENCE AND THE
CAPABILITY TO DO THAT SORT OF PROJECT.
AND IT IS GOING TO GO
SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY ARE
WANTED AND WHERE THE TABLE IS SET AND THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BEGIN TO
THINK ABOUT SETTING THE TABLE. BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE
ANYBODY MADDER I DON'T THINK BY DOING THAT IF YOU TAKE ONE CAR OFF THE
BEACH TO MIGHT AS WELL GET THAT GOING. AND THAT THE OTHER THING IS
THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE LIKE THE PARK AS WE WOULD TAKE THEM
OFF THE PARK AS THEY WOULD SHOW UP AND THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT IT. NOW
EVERYBODY LOVES THAT PARK. AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE ANDY. YOU KNOW, THEY
REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IT. AND THAT'S THE REASON
WHY I SUPPORT THIS.
WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THEM DON'T BELIEVE IS THAT
THEY DON'T BELIEVE US. THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD PUT THAT PARKING.
THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM ACCESS. IF WE DO
THAT, THAT'LL MAKE UP FOR A LOT. LET ME THANK MR. WAGNER. YOU'RE THE
ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS ISSUE FORWARD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THAT UP
IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE.
I'M SORRY. BUT YOU ALSO BROUGHT UP THE HOMELESS ISSUE. LET'S MOVE ON TO
SOMETHING THAT'S LESS CONTROVERSIAL. I RESPECT YOU FOR HAVING TO DO
THAT. WHAT WE'RE GIVING THE DEVELOPERS IS THE HALF MEASURE. WE'RE NOT
GIVING THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD REALLY RELY ON IT. THAT THIS WILL
BE AN ISSUE EASIER TO DO IT TO GIVE THEM THEIR INVESTED RIGHTS TO GET
IT OVER THAT I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL FEEL THIS WAY. IS THERE
ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN WHAT THIS ORDINANCE
DOES?
WE'LL NEED TO STICK
DANIELS.
WITH THE ORDINANCE
AS WRITTEN.
THANK YOU,
MR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY IN
ACTION. NOW I DON'T ASK THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME. BUT I WOULD ASK THAT
YOU RESPECT ME AS I WILL RESPECT YOU. THAT I HAVE HEARD OF A RATE OF
CONCERNS HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE THAT TRULY EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS
VOLUSIA COUNTY TO BE THE VERY BEST THAT IT CAN BE FROM THE
RECREATIONAL STANDPOINT.
FROM THE ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
OUR CHILDREN
AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN. AND THAT WE WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR ALL OF US.
AND TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD WANT TO COME AND TO DO BUSINESS
WITH US. I EMBRACE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE MUST DO AS WE MUST HAVE
CITIZENS, PARTICIPATIONS AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WILLING TO
INVEST THEIR MONEY AND THEIR TIME IN THIS COUNTY. I WAS BORN HERE AS I
DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOUR ROOTS ARE HERE, BUT MINE IS THREE GENERATIONS
DEEP. I WAS ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WENT TO THE BEACH BECAUSE I
WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD GET THERE. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS
CHANGE, THAT PEOPLE CHANGE. THAT I CAN GO TO ANY BEACH TODAY, SO THERE
ARE THOSE WHO DID NOT THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
THAT. AS WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND THAT WE MUST BE PARTNERS
IN THIS. I ASKED MY GRANDDAUGHTERS. AS I DROVE THEM TO SCHOOL
THIS MORNING. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DRIVING ON THE BEACH TODAY? AND THAT THEY
ARE 11 YEARS OLD. AND THEY SAID THAT TO ME. THAT I THINK THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE DRIVING ON THE BEACH. SHE SAID WHY IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON
THAT? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE CARDS FROM
AND THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO INVEST IN OUR AREA. THEY DON'T
WANT THE CARS IN FRONT OF THE INVESTMENT. SHE WOULD SAY THAT'S PRETTY
SIMPLE. THAN WHERE IT IS DRIVING ON THE BEACH AT 11 YEARS OLD. I WOULD
SAY IT'S TRADITION VERSES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW HOW DEEP
THIS RUNS FOR YOU AND FOR ALL OF MY MEMBERS HERE, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE
COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK BACKWARDS, YOU MUST LOOK
FORWARD. I MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO SOME THINGS HERE. BY THE WAY I'M
NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE AGAIN. SO YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT'S THE CASE. I
WANTED YOU TO KNOW FOR 12 YEARS THAT IT HAS BEEN MY BONE. DOES IT
CHANGE? SOMETIMES IT MAY CHANGE.
BUT 99.9% OF THE TIME IF IT IS IN
MY POWER TO KEEP MY WORD, MY WORD IS MY BOND. SO TO MY COLLEAGUES I SAY
TO YOU, YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT KNOW THAT I RESPECT YOU AND FOR
WHATEVER YOU MAY DO TODAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU TOO HAVE THE BEST
INTEREST OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AT HEART HERE. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US. AND SO I THANK YOU. I WILL BE
VOTING TODAY BECAUSE I FEEL COMMITTED THAT I MUST DO THOSE THINGS THAT
I HAVE INDICATED AND PROMISED THAT I WOULD DO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
MR. PATTERSON?
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I CAME TO VOLUSIA COUNTY IN 1985 AND I WAS BORN
AND RAISED IN FLORIDA. AND A PART OF THAT 35% GANG OF THOSE THAT WERE
UP HERE BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA AND THAT I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED ON A
BEACH TO GET A LOT OF E-MAILS. I GUESS THAT THEY WOULD SUGGEST THAT I
CAME FROM MISSOURI OR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT
WHAT THE BEACH IS OR WHAT THEY WOULD DO OR WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO
AND THAT THEY DO KNOW THE BEACH AND THAT THERE IS ENOUGH HIGH SCHOOL
TEACHERS WONDERING WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE OUT SURFING ON THE
BEACH FROM FORT PIERCE TO COCOA MANY YEARS AGO. MY GRADE POINT AVERAGE
WHEN I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL REFLECTED THAT ALSO.
WITH ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I NOTICED HI CAME UP HERE I WAS A SINGLE GUY WITH TWO KIDS
AND I BRING MY TWO CHILDREN UP HERE. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I DIDN'T
ENJOY THE BEACH, NOT ONE BIT IN DAYTONA BEACH BECAUSE OF THE CARS AND
HAVING TO CONSTANTLY PAY ATTENTION AND WORRY ABOUT THEM. AND THAT YEAH
I'M A RESPONSIBLE CHAIR AND THAT A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE EARLY
CHILDHOOD ALL ABOUT KIDS WITH FOUR KIDS AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN. THAT'S
MY BRAGGING AT THAT MOMENT HERE.
AND THAT I DIDN'T ENJOY IT. THAT I
REALLY DIDN'T ENJOY IT THAT I MOVED OVER HERE TO THE LAND. I HAD A TSHIRT MADE. I THINK HAVING MANY OPPORTUNITIES ON OUT THERE FOR THE
BEACH, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE BEEN SINCE 1996, WHEN WE TOOK THEM OFF IN
THAT CORE AREA. THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT ON THAT AND THAT I THINK
THAT WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A BEACH FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE
CARS, IT'S NOT ABOUT EVERYTHING. IT IS JUST AMAZING. I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS SAYING GREED IS NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY. GREED IS RESOURCES. WE HAVE
PEOPLE WHO THINK THE ONLY RESOURCE WE SHOULD DO WITH THAT BEACH IS RUN
A CAR UP THE DARN THING. WE TALK ABOUT PRIVATIZATION. WHERE SOMEBODY
OWNS A PIECE OF THE BEACH. BUT LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE
THAT THINK THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE ON THE BEACH IS CARS AND
PEOPLE. RUNNING AROUND. SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE
WHOLE ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT EVERYBODY. THIS BEACH IS
ABOUT EVERYBODY, JUST LIKE THEY BELONG TO EVERYBODY. AND HERE IN THE
SPRINGS, THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT THERE AND PEOPLE GET OUT OF THEIR CARS
AND THEY CARRY A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF TO ENJOY THE SPRINGS. NO
DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY HAVING TO CARRY IT OUT ACROSS DOWN OFF THE EAST
SIDE OF THE BEACH DOWN TO THE BEACH. THAT IT IS NO DIFFERENT. BUT WE
HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OVER HERE IN THE SPRINGS. THEY'RE HAVING A
WONDERFUL TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS FABULOUS IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
TO ANY OF THE SPRINGS OVER HERE YOU OUGHT TO DO IT. YOU REALLY OUGHT TO
SEE WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. IT IS A SAFE PLACE FOR KIDS, IT'S A SAFE
PLACE FOR ADULTS. I REALLY WANT TO BRING THIS TO VOTE AND TO LET YOU
GO AHEAD, JASON. [ CHANGE IN CAPTIONER ]
THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS ABOUT A KID GETTING TOO FAR
OUT IN THE WATER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT THEM TO WORRY ABOUT. AND THE
PARENTS. AND
-I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. YOUR
ECONOMIC PROBLEMS OR BENEFITS HAVE REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BEACH.
IT IS YOUR CITIES AND YOUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT EITHER CLEAN UP
THE CITIES, CLEAN UP THE STREETS, FIX THOSE ROADS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT
WE DON'T HAVE THAT JURISDICTION THERE. MY MICROPHONE IS NOT CLOSE. SOME
WE HAVE JURISDICTION IN BUT MOST OF THE AREAS ARE RUN BY THE CITIES. SO
IT'S THEIR JOBS AND IF THIS THING PASSES I WILL BE EXPECTING THOSE
CITIES, THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND FIX UP
THE AREA. SO LET'S GET THIS FIXED. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT CARS OR NOT
CARS. ALL DAY I'VE HEARD LET VOLUSIA VOTE, LET VOLUSIA VOTE. WE WE DID.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED
ELECTIONS. AND THE ISSUE RAISED ABOUT LET VOLUSIA VOTE, IT'S SOMETHING
THAT I DIDN'T REALLY -- I ALLOWED IT BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A DISCUSSION.
WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE. YOU'RE RIGHT. NANCY REAGAN
SAID, JUST SAY NO. YOU ARE CORRECT. SHE WAS REFERRING TO DOPE, CRACK,
MARIJUANA, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER BAD THINGS. WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT
ANOTHER REAGAN. HOW ABOUT RONALD REAGAN AND IS IS QUOTED AS SAYING,
IT'S NOT US WHO AND IF NOT WHEN -- IF NOT WHO, AND IF NOT, WHEN. SO
ARE WE WILLING TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANOTHER 20, 30 YEARS. ARE
WE WILLING TO SAY, WELL, IT'S YOU KNOW CARS DO ALL THIS OR CARS DON'T
DO ALL OF THAT. NO, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE SET THE STANDARD. THAT'S
ALL THIS ONE ORDINANCE IS DOING. THIS SETS THE STANDARD FOR FUTURE
ISSUES ON THIS MATTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IT DOES. SO, YOU KNOW I'VE
HEARD A LOT ABOUT, I WROTE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS HERE. BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO TEAR IT, WASTE ANY MORE TIME THAN
ANYONE ELSE. SO I AM GOING TO -- I WAS GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE
THERE. AND YOU HEARD THE LIGHT POPPED ON. YOU WISH TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS
MAN BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE.
YES, MR. CHAIR, JUST BRIEFLY. WAS IT A YEAR AGO WHEN THE WESTIN WAS
BEFORE US. OUR CITIZENS HAD TO PAY TO IMPROVE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD DEAL.
THAT WASN'T GOOD THEN. IT'S NOT GOOD NOW. THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND
PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TAKING THIS IS NOT COUNTY WIDE. THIS IS FOR
A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE BEACH. THIS IS A SPECIFIC ZONE. MR.DANIELS I
DON'T SUPPORT TAKING CARS OFF THE BEACH AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL FALL
FLAT IN THE FUTURE. THE ONLY REASON I'M SUPPORTING THIS IS BECAUSE OF
WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID AND IT'S LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, THIS
IS FOR A SPECIFIC DEFINED CORE ZONE THAT WE'RE SETTING STANDARDS AND
TRUTHFULLY IF THIS HAD BEEN DONE, 10, 15, 20, 25 YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T
BE HERE NOW. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE THIRD RAIL OF POLITICAL POLITICS
HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT IS, I GET IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN'T
GO UNDERSTATED THAT WE ARE INCREASING ACCESS. WE'RE INCREASING ACCESS
BEACH SIDE, OCEANSIDE AND INCREASING ADA AVAILABILITY COMPLIANCE AND
THE BEACH CHAIRS. THERE'S A HUGE COMMITMENT NOT JUST FROM THE DEVELOPERS
BUT FROM THE COUNCIL AND WHEN I USE THOSE CHAIRS AND I WILL TELL YOU
WHERE WE KEPT THEM IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH. IT WAS WONDERFUL. I WOULD GO
OVER TO THE LIFE GUARD STATION. TAKE THE BEACH CHAIR, TAKE IT OVER TO
THE VAN. WE WHEELED HIM OVER TO THE BREAKERS FOR LUNCH. IT WAS
WONDERFUL. THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN. THERE'S A COMMITMENT
YOU'RE HEARING FROM THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS TO
CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE ARE WEAK IN SOME OF THOSE
AREAS. ON THE ADA, AND HELPING CERTAIN FOLKS GET ACCESS TO THE BEACH
IN THAT AREA AND ENJOYMENT. SO I, AS I VOTE TODAY, I AM GOING TO VOTE
FOR A SET OF STANDARDS IN A SPECIFIC AREA ONLY. BRINGING ANYTHING
ELSE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC AREA
ONLY ON THIS ORDINANCE AND AND THE WAY, YOU KNOW THE WAY IT'S HAPPENED
IN THE PAST. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE GRAND GALASKI I WENT HERE. MANY OF
US WERE NOT. I DON'T WANT THIS TO FAIL. VISION IN HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS
20/20. BUT HAVING THE VISION FOR FORSIGHT IS IT A RISK? IT IS. BUT THE
GREATER THE RISK THE GREATER THE REWARD. I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. SO FOR
THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK I WENT BACK ON A CAMPAIGN PROMISE, I VOTED NO
THEN BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT DEAL. BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SUCCESS
NOT IS JUST FOR DAYTONA BEACH. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CITY'S, MR. CHAIR,
I AGREE WITH YOU, CODE COMPLIANCE. I THINK THIS IS A MESSAGE TO THE
CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. I EXPECT TO SEE, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE OTHER
PROJECTS COMING OUR WAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE OF COMPLIANCE. WE
WANT TO SEE HISTORICAL DATA. I WANT TO SEE CODE COMPLIANCE. THEY HAVE
COME TO THE TABLE WITH CODE COMPLIANCE. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
SEE, I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR SUCCESS. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING
TO YES. IT'S THE SUCCESS. IN THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS IF THIS IS A
FAILURE, WELL THERE YOU GO. I DON'T THINK CORPORATIONS OF THIS SIZE
ARE GOING TO MAKE THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF THE DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT
IN OUR AREA TO FAIL, NOBODY DOES THAT. NOBODY DOES THAT. I DON'T INVEST
$100 TO FAIL. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO GOING FORWARD, I LOOKED AT THIS, THIS IS THE HARDEST ISSUE I HAVE
EVER DEALT WITH. IT GENERALLY IS. DON'T THINK IT ISN'T. IT IS. IT
ABSOLUTELY IS. IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ALL OF US. BECAUSE YOU CAN
ARGUE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE SETTING
STANDARDS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE EVER IN
VOLUSIA COUNTY.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME BEFORE US AND LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH. THEY
KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. SO FOR THE CITIZENS INVOLVED, I KNOW THIS
IS PASSIONATE. I LIVE ON A BEACH TOWN. FOR SOUTH VOLUSIA ISSUE ISN'T
ACCESS IT'S ACCOMMODATION. TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ALL THE CARS THAT'S A
CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT WE WILL HAVE. BUT THE ISSUE IS
ACCOMMODATION NOT ACCESS. BUT THE COMMITMENT IS THERE NONETHELESS.
FROM THE COUNCIL AND FROM THE RESIDENTS AND POINTS GOING FORWARD. THANK
YOU.
SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR LIGHTS FROM THE COUNTY COUNCIL,
CALL FOR A ROLE CALL VOTE AND I SHALL GO FIRST.
I WILL
MR. DAVIS.
I VOTE YES.
MRS. DENYS.
YES.
MR. LOWRY.
YES.
MR.
PATTERSON.
YES.
MR.
WAGNER.
YES.
MR.
DANIELS.
YES.
MRS. CUSACK.
NO.
MR. DAVIS.
YES.
MRS. DENYS.
YES.
MR. LOWRY.
YES.
MRS. COUSACK.
NO.
6-1 WITH MRS. COUSACK OPPOSED.
ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS
BUSINESS THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO BREAK.
BEEN HEARD. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE
WITH THAT
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE
-
LUNCH BREAK. WE WILL
BE IN RECESS
UNTIL -
3:00.
3:00.
ALL RIGHT GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE MAY 7, 2015
AFTERNOON SESSION OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. WE'RE DOING A LITTLE
SWITCH AROUND HERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE
VERY SHORT. VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO DEAL WITH. SO I APPRECIATE
EVERYBODY HERE FOR ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THOSE BACK
FOR A MINUTE AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL THE WAY UP TO ITEM 35. ARE WE
DOING 35 OR 36 FIRST? MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE YOU IN THE LOBBY.
WE DO LOBBIES FIRST THAT WILL GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY. I THINK THE
OTHER ISSUE DESERVES A LOT MORE DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL READ FOUR.
ALL RIGHT SO WE'LL JUMP TO
ITEM 26. YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR SIR, MR. CARL.
I'M HERE WITH SMITH THE LEGISLATIVE COORDINATOR AND OUR STATE LOBBYISTS
ROBINSON, LOCKHART AND COMPANY ARE HERE. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU I
WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEM TO COME FORWARD AND GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE
OF WHERE WE ARE. AND YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
IS HE GOING TO CHARGE US LESS
BECAUSE WE'RE LETTING YOU GO EARLY.
THANK YOU, RICK. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD QUITE A DAY ALREADY. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FIRST OF ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GRAY ROBINSON AND TO
WORK WITH US. SO JUST BRIEFLY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1974 WHEN I
WORKED FOR HYATT BROWN -- BROWN WHEN HE WAS THE INCOMING SPEAKER. I
HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THIS SESSION. YOU HAVE A
MORE COORDINATED, THE SENATE MET AND ENDED IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF
BUSINESS. SO IT'S CREATED QUITE A BIT OF TURMOIL. THE ONE JOB THAT IS
REQUIRED TO BE DONE IS NOT DONE WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF A BUDGET. AND
ON YOUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES MANY OF YOUR ITEMS ON THE PRIORITY
BEGIN WITH THE WORD, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN COME TO TERMS WITH THE
DISAGREEMENTS THAT THEY'VE HAD WHICH HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT POLICY
ISSUES BUT HAS LEFT A LOT OF THINGS UNADDRESSED. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF
THE SERIOUS HOT BUTTONS FOR THIS COUNTY IS THE JUVENILE JUSTICE ISSUE.
I WILL SAY THAT BEFORE SESSION BEGAN WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING
SENATOR ROB BRADLEY TO HAVE A HOUR LONG MEETING WITH DAN EKERT. AS A
MATTER OF FACT LATER DURING THE SESSION DAN PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE TO
SENATOR BRADLEY THAT PROVIDED TO THE HOUSE THAT PROVIDED DIFFERENT WAYS
OF ALLOCATION OF
OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES AMONGST THE COUNTY TO ASSESS
EVALUATION OR POPULATION OR SOMETHING FOR
EQUITABLE. WE'VE INCURRED THAT THE ISSUED BEHIND IT AND THE
ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDINGS AND POLICIES WITH AMENDMENT ONE AND WHAT TO
DO WITH THE MAYOR WATER ISSUES THAT WERE PASSED BY THE VOTERS OF
FLORIDA IN AN OVERWHELMING WAY AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT AND WHAT THE
FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR STILL REMAINS UNRESOLVED. SO I CAN TELL YOU THIS,
ONE YOUR TEAM, RICK CARL AND OUR LEAD AND ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE
INVOLVED ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WERE VERY MUCH ENGAGED
AND INVOLVED. NUMBER TWO WE WERE THERE FOR THE WHOLE TIME TRYING TO GET
THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. WE CAN DO OUR PART BUT THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR PART
AND FOR THE MOST PART THEIR PART ISN'T DONE YET. SO WE'LL BE GOING BACK
ON JUNE 1, WE ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR
DELEGATION TO PLEASE REACH OUT FOR THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM. THEY
FRANKLY ROSE TO THEIR ELECTION. BUT AS THE LEGISLATURE ADJOURNED,
WE'LL BE BACK JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US ON OUR
PRIORITIES AND LET'S TRY TO GET THIS DONE IN JUNE. PERHAPS MR. CHAIRMAN
WE CAN COME BACK AFTER THAT AND GIVE YOU A WORD ON WHAT THEY'VE
ACCOMPLISHED. WITH THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
AND THANK YOU.
YOU
WERE JUST UNDER
FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU.
MRS. CUSACK YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, SO GOOD TO
SEE
YOU.
THANK YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO DRINKING GOOD WATER NOW THAT YOU'RE
DOWN IN TALLAHASSEE. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING
YOU HAVE HEARD.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE WATER ISSUES TO BE PUT ON THE CALL. THEY MUST DO
THE BUDGET AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF AGREEING WITH THE HOUSE AND SENATE
WITH WHAT WILL BE ON THE CALL. I KNOW THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT WANT TO BE
INVOLVED IN DOING A CALL UNLESS THEY FAIL. SO THERE'S A CALL FOR THE
VOTE. IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH SENATORS OR HOUSE MEMBERS
FROM THIS COMMUNITY, ENCOURAGE THAT THE HOT BUTTON ITEMS BE ADDED. YOU
HAVE TO HAVE THE LEADERSHIP AGREE TO IT, ULTIMATELY.
THANK YOU.
OKAY I
HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU,
GOOD TO
WE'RE GOING TO ROLL
SEE YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE WITH THE FIRST QUARTER 2015 REPORT.
I WILL START WITH THE FIRST SLIDE IS ANOTHER LOOK AT ANNUAL AVERAGE
WAGES BY INDUSTRY. TOP 10 INDUSTRIES HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY PROVIDES A
NICE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARESON OF ONE INDUSTRY TO THE OTHERS. IN ADDITION
FOR EACH INDUSTRY YOU SEE THERE'S A SEVEN YEAR TREND OF ANNUAL AVERAGE
WAGE WITHIN THAT INDUSTRY. AND GENERALLY, ANNUAL AVERAGE AGES WITHIN
EACH INDUSTRY IS GROWING. YOU CAN SEE THAT MANUFACTURING AND
INFORMATION TO THE LEFT OF THE CHART ARE THE DOMINANT INDUSTRIES IN
TERMS OF ANNUAL WAGE FOR OUR COUNTY. SO HAD THE GOOD NEWS. COMPARING
OURSELVES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE U.S., FURTHER REENFORCES THE
CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN GROWING OUR ECONOMY IN A WAY THAT RAISING
ANNUAL RATE. WE DON'T DO VERY WELL AGAINST THE STATE OR THE NATION. AND
IN PARTICULAR IF YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION, FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES,
AND PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES YOU SEE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GAP
FOR OUR COUNTY AS COMPARED TO THE STATE AND THE NATION. SO WE'RE GOING
TO MAKE THAT A PART OF OUR FOCUS. CLEARLY GOING FORWARD. THAT ALSO IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, IT'S WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE INFORMATION.
IT INCLUDES PRODUCING AND DISTRIBUTING. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR INFORMATION.
PRODUCING AND DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION SO IT'S IT, TYPES OF BUSINESSES
AS WELL AS BROADCASTING INDUSTRIES. AND TELECOMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY.
ANYTHING RELATED TO THE INTERNET. SO THAT CONCLUSION LED US TO LOOK TO
VOLUSIA COUNTY COMPARED TO OTHER LEADING COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY AND THAT'S USING TOTAL WAGE. IF YOU TAKE
THE ANNUAL WAGE MULTIPLY IT BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT
PARTICULAR INDUSTRY. SO WHAT THIS SLIDE DOES IS TAKE EACH OF THESE
INDUSTRIES AND REPRESENTS THEM AS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT COUNTY'S TOTAL
ECONOMY. SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO COMPARE PALM BEACH AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE
LEFT SIZE OF THEIR ECONOMY AGAINST VOLUSIA COUNTY TO THE RIGHT, BUT
EACH OF THESE INDUSTRIES AS A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ECONOMIES. SO QUICKLY
YOU CAN SEE THAT LEISURE AND HOSPITALITY, WE'RE LEADING, AS COMPARED TO
THESE OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL AS AT THE TOP OF EACH OF THESE BAR
CHARTS, IT ALSO REENFORCES THE EARLIER CONCLUSION THAT FINANCIAL
ACTIVITIES AND PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES AGAIN AS A PERCENTAGE
OF INDIVIDUAL ECONOMIES IT'S NOT AS STRONG HERE IN VOLUSIA AS SOME OF
THE LEADING COUNTIES LIKE PALM BEACH AND HILLSBORO. MOVING ON TO THE
LABOR STATISTICS, I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT IN RED THE NUMBERS THAT WE
PARTICULARLY TALK ABOUT. AND I WILL JUST SPEAK TO THE ONE WHICH IS THE
UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER. YOU CAN SEE AVERAGE FOR THE FIRST QUARTER IT'S
14,414. I WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT THAT SAME NUMBER FOR
JUST THE MARCH, THE MONTH OF MARCH IS UNDER 14,000 FOR ONLY THE SECOND
TIME SINCE 2008. THIS IS ALL GOOD NEWS. [CAPTIONER TRANSITION ]
AND THE NUMBERS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL
EMPLOYMENT AND TO THE RIGHT, WE SHOW ITS GAIN ORS WILL COMPARED TO THE
SAME QUARTER YEAR AGO. SO CLEARLY THE LEADERS WERE BUSINESS SERVICES,
EDUCATION AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES. AND I WOULD JUST POINT
OUT THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE PREPARED YOU FOR THE FACT THAT THE
PALM COAST MSA NO LONGER EXISTS AS A STAND ALONE ITEM IT IS IN THE
BEACH MSA. SO PARTICULARLY FOR THIS DATA SET, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO
SEPARATE VOLUSIA COUNTY FROM FLAGLER COUNTY GOING FORWARD. AND HERE IS
THE INFORMATION WITH THE POPULATION OVER 20 25* THOUSAND. SO--OVER
25,000. AND YOU CAN SEE $80 MILLION IN TOTAL PERMITS, FOR 265 PERMITS.
THAT IS DOWN ALMOST 25% AS COMED TO THE STAY--COMPARED TO THE SAME
QUARTER A YEAR AGO. THE SAME THEME OF A SCARCITY OF BUILDABLE LOTS AND
SKILLED LABOR, SKILLED LABOR IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, CONTRIBUTE
TO THAT. CONVERSELY, WHEN YOU TALK TO LOCAL REALTORS, THEY ARE
ENCOURAGED THAT THE ECONOMY, THE HOUSING ECONOMY IS GROWING, GENERALLY,
IN A POSITIVE AND IN A MEASURED WAY AND COMING OFF OF A DIFFICULT
WINTER IN THE NORTHEAST W PEOPLE'S EQUITY IMPROVED AND PORTFOLIOS ARE
PROVING AND PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO,
ESPECIALLY THE LEADING EDGE BOOMERS, TAKE A LOOK AT FLORIDA, THEY ARE
PREPARE TODAY COMPETE FOR THOSE INTERESTED PARTS. HERE ARE THE NUMBERS
FOR THE PERMITS AND WE HAVE REORDERED THE INFORMATION SO THAT IT IS
EASIER TO READ, LARGEST TO LOWEST, TOP TO BOTTOM. SO WITH THAT, THE
UNINCORPORATED KNEW SMYRNA AND DELAND ARE THE LEADERS IN TERMS OF THE
PERMITS AND REPRESENT 57% OF THE VALUE. MOVING INTO COMMERCIAL PERMITS,
AGAIN, THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2015 IS DOWN AS COMPARED TO THE SAME
QUARTER A YEAR AGO, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE $152 MILLION PERMIT OUT OF
2014, YOU ARE LEFT WITH $64 MILLION. SO WE ARE DOWN ABOUT 21%, 22%.
SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS ARE THE FACT THAT MAYBE 2013 AND '14 IN
PARTICULAR REPRESENT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH PENT UP
DEMAND THAT EXISTED AND NOW THE AREA IS PRIME TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO
ATTRACT NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW THE OPPORTUNITIES. SO
WE REMAIN OPTIMISTIC THAT 2015 IS A POSITIVE YEAR. SO AGAIN, THE ACTUAL
DATA, WE HAVE JUST REORDERED THE SLIDES SO THAT THE LARGEST TO SMALLEST
TOP TO BOTTOM IS REPRESENTED, AND IN PARTICULAR, THE CITY OF DAYTONA
BEACH, THEY ALONE REPRESENT ALSO 57% OF THE TOTAL VALUE. THEY HAVE SOME
VERY LARGE PERMITS THAT THEY CUT DURING THIS QUARTER: AND WHEN YOU
LOOK THROUGH THE PERMITS FROM THE CITIES AND YOU PULL OUT SOME THINGS,
WE IDENTIFIED WHAT I WILL JUST CALL MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS, IT IS A
DORM, A CONDO, THAT REPRESENTS TWO-THIRDS OF THE ALMOST $50 MILLION IN
COMMERCIALER IS HITS THAT YOU SEE--COMMERCIAL PERMITS THAT YOU SEE. AND
FORE CLOSURES, WE CONTINUE TO SEE A NICE, STEADY DECLINE IN THE FILING
OF NEW FORE CLOSURES. AND WE SEE A NICE JUMP IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF
2015, UNDER SAY A NICE INCREASE IN THE SALE,--I SHOULD SAY A NICE
INCREASE IN THE SALE OF THE PROPERTIES AS COMPARED TO THE 4TH-QUARTER
OF LAST YEAR. IT IS A TREND THAT IS COUNTER TO WHAT IS TAKING PART
ACROSS THE NATION. INDENES CONSTITUTIONS ARE BEING AGREESTIVE AND--AND
INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING AGGRESSIVE. FINALLY, WE WILL END WITH A SLIDE
THAT IS AN UPDATE FROM NOVEMBER OF 2013, THAT IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS
EMPLOYERS BY SIZE. THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS 11,500
OR SO, QUOTE, ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES. IT IS NOT ALL EMPLOYERS BECAUSE I
DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOLE PRO PRY TORES. BUT WE HAVE--SOLE
PROPRIETIES. BUT A NUMBER OF EMPLOYERS ALONG THE LEFT HAND Y AXIS AND
BUCKETS IF YOU WILL, ACROSS THE BOTTOM. AND WHEN YOU ADD THE FIRST
THREE BAR CHARTS TOGETHER, YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER 80% OF OUR BUSINESSES
HAVE LESS THAN 10 EMPLOYEES. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT
ENERGY AND RESOURCES INTO ASSISTING THOSE COMPANIESND THE BUSINESSER-COMPANIES AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO KNOW WHAT IS KEEPING THEM FROM
GROWING AND IF THEY HAVE ISSUES THAT ARE LIMITING THEM. IN ADDITION, WE
HAVE HADED ANOTHER Y AXIS THAT IS SHOWING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYED AND
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LARGE PERCENTAGE IS. AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT
OF THE BOX LABELED STAGE TWO, THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE FOUR DATA POINTS ARE
ROUGHLY 55%, 56% OF TOTAL EMPLOYEE. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY
REPORT, MR. CHAIR. MY ESTIMATED TEN MINUTES AND I THINKS OF RIGHT AT
TEN MINUTES--AND I THINK I WAS RIGHT AT TEN MINUTES.
YOU ARE GETTING GOOD AT THIS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COUNCIL? OKAY. I ONLY HAVE ONE COMMENT AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND
TOMORROW MORNING, I AM USUALLY THERE BUT THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT THAT I
HAVE TO ATTEND TO, BEING THE CHAIR OF THE TDC. SO I AM GOING TO BE
THERE. BUT MR. DENNIEEN WILL BE THERE, I UNDERSTAND AS SPEAKER?
NO, SIR.
OH, WAS THERE A CHANGE I DIDN'T
HEAR ABOUT?
THERE IS CHANGE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE THAT
BASICALLY SPEAK TO THE UPDATE ON VOLUSIA COUNTY. STARTING WITH CONNIE,
THE USC SITE MANAGER.
GEE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE THERE FOR THAT. DARN, I WAS HOPING YOU
WOULD BE THERE. THEY DUMPED YOU? HOW DARE YOU DUMP HIM. IS THERE ANY
COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WILL BE THERE TOMORROW?
I WILL [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
]
AND MS. CUE CUSACK--MS. CUSACK WILL BE OVER
YOU BE SO KIND AS TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY.
AT THE TOURISM, TOO. WILL
[ INAUDIBLE ] LOW.
THIONINE--[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
]
THAT MEANS YOU GET TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR
HAS BEEN GREAT. YOU ARE DOING WONDERFUL AND THANK YOU. MR.
BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS. MR. CHAIR,
YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR PROCESS.
COMING, IT
DANIELS WILL
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND THANKS
FOR
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE GOOD NEWS. OKAY, SO THAT BASICALLY
ENDS EVERYTHING BUT NO, WE ARE DONE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING
TO HOP BACK ON THE WAY BACK MACHINE AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE,
TRANSFER OF THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY ON NORTH STONE STREET
DELAND FROM BEHAVIORAL CARE INFORRATED TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
VISES. --HEALTH SERVICES. YOU TAKE IT AWAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. DON THAT NCAA-DONNA BUTLER. WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, AN ITEM TODAY, I THINK THE MANAGER
WOULD LIKE TO KICK US OFF OF HERE AND THEN I WILL GET INTO DETAILS.
I AM SORRY, SIR.
S THAT OKAY. --THAT IS OKAY. WE REALLY NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT
TWO AISLES, THAT--ITEMS, THIS ONE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UNFORTUNATELY,
WHAT THIS POINTS OUT, I MEAN, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT THAT ACTUALLY IS
THE MAJOR FOCUS OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU
WORK, I MEAN, THIS IS A SAFETY NET FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE DEPEND ON THE SYSTEMS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS REALLY MAKES,
MAKES ME WORRY, IT SHOWS YOU SEVEN SYSTEMS THAT YOU THINK ARE INTACT
CAN FALL APART QUICKLY. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN GET HURT IN THE
PROCESS. SO WHAT DONNA IS DOING, AND SHE KNOWS IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY
ELSE, SHE IS REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING TO
ENSURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE KEEP FROM BEING HURT AND LOSING JOBS AND
LOSING CARE. SO SHE IS GOING TO TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO DO AND THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT OVER, IT JUST STARTED. WITH
THAT, DONNA.
THANK YOU, MR. MANAGER. BEFORE I START ON THE AGENDA ITEM, I WANT TO
INTRODUCE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TODAY AND WE HAVE ALL INVESTED A LOT
OF TIME IN TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION TO WHAT IS A REALLY CHALLENGING
ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND HAVE DONNA DULY, AND IRAN, KELLY--IVAN,
KELLY, JEFF WHITE, THE DIRECTOR FOR THE COALITION FOR THE HOMELESS.
THESE FOLKS HAVE ALL BEEN, WE HAVE ALL BEEN INVOLVED IN THE VARIOUS
STATES. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY. FIRST
STEP THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY, BACK IN 2007, THE COUNTY
PURCHASED THE STONE STREET FACILITY FROM ACT CORPORATION AND THEN
DEEDED IT OVER TO WHAT WAS THENAR IS WRENTY, AND IT IS NOW WIN WARD.
HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. THIS WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WE SPENT MONEY ON AS
PART OF TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE THAT HAD ISSUES AND WERE HOMELESS. THE
COUNCIL SPENT GENERAL FUND MONEY, AND THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WE
TRANSFERRED OVER AND I THINK SOME SAID IT WAS FORGOTTEN, LIKE WE WERE
NOT DOING ANYTHING. BUT THIS WAS A LARGE CHUNK OF GENERAL FUND MONEY.
AND I THINK WE DID THE RIGHT THING BY DOING WHAT WE DID. BUT JUST SO WE
ARE BACK ON THE RECORD, THAT WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTION ON OUR PART, BUT I
DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED.
YES, ON THE PART OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL ALLOWED FOR 76 BEDS FOR
VETERANS, HOMELESS, AND THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH, SUB DANCE ABUSE
ISSUES TO BE SERVED RIGHT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO
LEAF. SO IT WAS A REALLY NEAT PROGRAM BUT WE PUT IN THE DEED, THERE WAS
A REVERTER CLAUSE, IF THE AGENCY WAS NO LONGER ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING
FOR ITS USE. SO TODAY, THEY ARE IN A POSITION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO USE
THE FACILITY, SO IT IS BEING REVERTED BACK TO THE COUNTY. AND WE ARE
SUGGESTING AND RECOMMENDING TO YOU THAT IT BE THEN DEEDED OVER TO
STUART MARCHMAN ACT, KNOWN AS SMA FOR THEIR USE. THEY HAVE GOTTEN
FUNDING FROM LUTHERAN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES TO PROVIDE-HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SERVICE--HEALTH SERVICES TO PROVIDE TREATMENT
FOR THE BEDS FOR THE REST OF THE PHYSICAL YEAR. SO THEY WOULD TAKE
OVER THE CLIENT CLIENTS AND--OVER THE CLIENTS AND THEY WOULD NOT BE
DISPLACED. SO THAT IS THE FIRST STEP. OTHER SERVICES WILL BE LOOKED AT
OVER THE COMING WEEKS. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AS
YOU ALL KNOW, THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF HOMES THAT WE PURR PURCHASE-THAT WE PURCHASED USING FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR ACTION ON. SO WITH
THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING
ISSUE.
OKAY, MR. PATTERSON, MS. CUSACK, AND MS. DIDN'TNYS--MS.
WANT TO GO FIRST OR AFTER THE PUBLIC?
I DID HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION
TRANSFER ALWAYS THE REVERTER
DENYS, DO YOU
THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
CLAUSE IN IT?
THE NEW
IT DOES, BUT I ASKED FOR FLEXIBILITY. SO IF SMA DID NOT WANT TO USE IT
OR HAVE AN USE FOR ALL OF THE BEDS, THAT WITH COUNTY PERMISSION, AND
STILL USING IT FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, WE COULD GIVE THEM PERMISSION SO
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO A WHOLE DEED SWITCH AGAIN. SO THEY
ONLY GOT A CONTRACT TO USE, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING HAPPEN, TO USE 60
BEDS AND THEY WANTED TO LEASE IT TO ANOTHER NON PROFIT THAT COULD
PROVIDE SAME OR SIMILAR TYPE SERVICES, THEY COULD SO DO WITH YOUR
PERMISSION.
OKAY.
MR. CHAIR?
YES, SIR.
WELL, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF
THE TREATMENT FACILITY IN DELAND, FLORIDA FROM THE WINWARD CARE TO SMA
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES, A CONTINUATION OF SERVICES.
THIS IS MY MOTION.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MS. CUSACK. THANK
YOU. OKAY. I AM GOING TO GO TO THE CITIZEN. OKAY, I BET YOU ALL THREE
ARE SITTING RIGHT THERE. DON KILL BERRY. OKAY, COME ON UP FRONT, SIR.
AND THEN YOU, MS. PORTER. AND THEN MR. [ INAUDIBLE ]. YOU DO NOT GET TO
TALK FIRST THIS TIME, SIR. I KNOW. BEFORE THE RECORD, SIR, YOU NEED TO
IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS.
[ INAUDIBLE - MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]
I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE CENTER. AND WE REALIZE FRIDAY WE GOT THE
NEWSPAPER AND THERE WAS A BIG ARTICLE IN THERE THAT THEY HAD COLLECTED
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THERE BECAUSE OF FUNDS AND THEY WERE GOING TO
BUILD A HOME LESS CAMP WE ARE RESIDENTS THERE. WE LIVE THERE. TO ME,
PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE THE HOMELESS CAMP NEXT DOOR TO MY
HOUSE. AND WE WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT. BASICALLY
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN BAD SHAPE. AND THE CITY
ALSO SAYS WE DO NOT OWN THE ROAD THERE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS FOR THAT. I AM GOING
LET MR. [ INAUDIBLE ] GO BECAUSE IT IS EASIER FOR HIM TO GET OUT. SO WE
WILL LET HIM GO SECOND.
I MOVE TO ADDRESS THAT?
SURE, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THEY ARE SOMETIMES CALLED IS A RYNNTY WEST,
THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT. THERE ARE A LOT
OF RUMORS, THAT IS NOT IN THEIR PLANS AND IT IS NOT IN OUR PLANS TO DO
THAT. SO THAT IS, WE ARE NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AT ALL.
RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE APPREHENSIVE OF THAT RUE
MONO. BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
WELL, JOHN IS OUT THERE IN THAT AREA WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT
THAT HOMELESS SHELTER. SO NO, THAT BUILDING IS GOING STAY AS IT IS.
THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID.
I GOT THE JOHN PART. I GOT THE JOHN PART. MR. [ INAUDIBLE ]. PLEASE
STATE YOUR NAME AN ADDRESS ALL RIGHT RECORD AND GET ANOTHER BITE OF THE
APPLE.
ALL RIGHT, I AM PETER AND I LIVE AT 2745 BIG JOHN DRIVE, OUT BY THE
HAVEN. AND OF COURSE, WE GOT WIND THAT THE COUNTY MAY TAKE THIS
FACILITY OVER AND WE REALLY DO NOT WANT ANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO YOU
WANT TO WORD THIS, UN-DE-SIGH RABBLE TYPE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE. BECAUSE
WE HAVE CHILDREN OUT THERE AND IT IS GOING TO LOWER OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
WE DO NOT NEED, I FEEL, THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE OUT THERE. AND ANOTHER
THING WAS THAT THE COUNTY TAKES IT OVER, ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN THE
ROADS AND ET CETERA OUT THERE. THERE ARE NOT MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE
BUT WE ARE STILL OUT THERE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN
CONCRETE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THAT IS ABOUT IT. SIMPLE AS WELL.
OKAY.
MS.
PORTER. DEBBI
PORTER, PLEASE COME
FORWARD. NAME AN
ADDRESS.
2765 BIG JOHN DRIVE. DEBBI PORTER. I HAVE A BUILDING ON 2750, I KNOW
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, HOW WE HAVE STOPPED ALL OF THE YOU KNOW--ALL OF
THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEM, WE HEARD THROUGH THE PAPER THAT VOLUSIA
COUNTY WAS IN THE PROCESS OF THINKING OF PURCHASING ALL OF THEM THAT
HAD CLOSED IN DELAND. AND THAT THEY WERE MAYBE GOING TO MAYBE OPEN THEM
TO HOMELESS SHELTERS BUT THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT
ROBERT WAS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO TO YOU KNOW, WAS IN THE PROCESS
OF DOING A HOMELESS BUILDING AND EVERYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY THAT
VOLUSIA COUNTY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
PROPERTY IS OR ANYTHING. BUT IF THE CENTER IS BEING TRANSFERRED OVER,
ARE THEY TAKING THAT PROPERTY? OR IS VOLUSIA COUNTY BUYING THAT
PROPERTY FROM THE CITY?
VOLUSIA COUNTY ALREADY OWNS THE
NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.
PROPERTY. WHAT WE ARE DOING--NO,
WE DO
NO, THE CITY OWNS IT.
WHEN YOU GIVE A DEED TO SOMEBODY,
PROPERTY.
TO ME, THAT MEANS YOU OWN THE
THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TODAY IS ON
STREET IN DELAND, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM OUR HOSPITAL.
STONE
OKAY.
THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING REFERRED TO HERE NEAR
RESIDENTS, WE DO NOT OWN THEM. THEY ARE OWNED BY WINWARD.
[ INAUDIBLE -
YOUR
LOW VOLUME ]
NO. [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
OKAY, I THOUGHT WE WERE
]
TALKING AT SAME PROPERTY HERE.
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
THEY ARE THEIR PROPERTIES. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY OR
THE CITY. WE HAVE PURCHASED [ INAUDIBLE ] HOMES, COMMUNITY HOMES, AND
THEY ARE 35 HOMES AROUND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT ARE LOW INCOME
HOUSING. THEY ARE NOT FOR HOMELESS.
RIGHT.
THEY ARE JUST LOW INCOME HOUSING.
DO WITH THE FACILITIES.
THERE ARE MANY AND IT HAS NOTHING
TO
OKAY.
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
OKAY. THEN THAT, YOU ARE GOING HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND FIND OUT WHAT IS
GOING ON WITH THAT. BECAUSE APPARENTLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL PART OF
THE COUNTY PROPERTY.
I DID TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION.
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]--I
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
DID, TOO.
]
SURE THE FACILES IS TEMPORARILY CLOSED. THE BORDELS NOT MADE ANY PLANS
TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IF THEY CLOSE, THEN THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE
CLOSED.
BUTT BUILDING IS NOT CLOSED
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL LIVING
THERE.
YES, YES, COME ON UP. WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS ON THE RECORD. SO IN
YOU WILL, IF YOU HAVE WILL A SEAT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT.
I AM DONNA DULY, WE DO HAVE A FACILITY ON BIG JOHN DRIVE, IT IS A 50
BED TREATMENT FACILITY AND WE HAVE CLOSED THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A 16 BED
VA TRANS-AL HOUSING PROGRAM OUT THERE--TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAM
THAT OUT THERE AND IT NOT CHANGED AT ALL. WE MOVED THE TREATMENT CLIENT
FACILITIES OUT.
SO YOU ARE
THIS IS.
NOT GOING MAKE THIS PLACE A HOMELESS
SHELTER OR ANYTHING
I AM NOT.
I MEAN, IT IS YOUR
PROPERTY.
I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.
MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT YOU FOLKS HERE SIT DOWN WITH THESE FOLKS HERE AND
TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. THAT IS REALLY BETWEEN--YOU KNOW,
AND WE GET TO--WE ARE DEALING TODAY WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIGIT. SO
IF WE CAN GET YOU GUYS--DIGIT. SO IF WE CAN GET YOU--DIFFERENT.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL FOR THE TRANSFER OF THE STONE
STREET, MADE BY MR. PATTERSON, SECONDED BY MS. CUSACK. AND MS. CUSACK,
YOUR LIGHT IS ON. DO YOU WISH TO TAKE THE FLOOR? NO, SHE DOES NOT. OH,
YES YOU DO? OKAY. MS. DENYS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
JUST A COMMENT, FIRST OF ALL, THESE SERVICES ARE SO CRITICAL TO OUR
PEOPLE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. SO DONNA, I THANK YOU YOU AND STAFF FOR
EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING AS MEDIA FORS, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY US, I
MEAN, THEIR NAME IS IN THE HEADLINES BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONE
FRONTING THE BILL AND INVESTMENT TOSS KEEP THIS GOING. TO THAT END, TO
THAT END, THERE ARE TWO THINGS--I DON'T WANT TO GO HERE AGAIN SO
WHATEVER HAS HAPPENED THAT CAUSED THIS, WILL BE REMEDIED. IT WILL BE
REMEDIED. IT WILL BE REMEDIED BEHIND THE SCENES AND THIS, IT IS HARD
ENOUGH FOR ESTABLISHED ORGANIZATIONS AND NON PROFIT TOSS NAVIGATE THIS
THIS AREA. COUNCIL, IF YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO BE EASY SET UP A
HOMELESS SHELL FRESH THE GROUND UP IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, WHEN WE HAVE
ESTABLISHED NON PROFITS WITH VOLUNTEER BOARDS, AND THIS HAPPENS, AND WE
ARE, WE ARE, BECAUSE WHAT HAS HAPPENED ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING
TO BRING ALL OF THIS IN HOUSE. WE ARE BASICALLY GOING TO, THIS IS GOING
BE US, FOR THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SO FOR ME, AND GOING FORWARD ON A
HOMELESS SHELTER, I AM JUST, I AM JUST PUTTING UP A RED FLAG HERE,
THESE ARE HARD WATERS TO NAVIGATE AND THEY ARE GETTING HARDER BECAUSE
OF RESTRICTIONS AND GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND
QUALIFIED FOLKS TO RUN THEM, VERY HONESTLY. SO THAT IS MY ONLY COMMENT.
I AM GOING SUPPORT THIS. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS. AND IT IS CRITICAL.
IT IS CRITICAL THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE THE SERVICES AND DONNA, I AM
COUNTING ON YOU, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL, DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO HELP
THIS GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.
AND MS. CUSACK.
HOW DID YOU BEAT ME?
SHE IS QUICK, MAN, I TELL YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT THIS IS CRITICAL AND IT INVOLVES ALL
OF US, ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AND ALL OF THE AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE ALL
OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE SO BADLY NEEDED NOT COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO
TREATMENT BEDS AND MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES. SO, I THINK WINWARD, I
DON'T KNOW WHATEVER REASON THEY ARE IN THE POSITION THEY ARE TODAY,
THINK THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DO NOT WANT
TO DRASTICALLY ELIMINATE THEIR ABILITY TO SERVE. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS IN
THE PIE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL
HANDS ARE ON DECK AND WE ARE NOT EXCLUDING ANY PROVIDERS. AND SO WITH
THAT IN MIND, I HOPE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH WINWARD AND SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO
WORK AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE CITIZENS IN
VOLUSIA COUNTY DISPLACED AND WITHOUT THESE VALUABLE AND NEEDED
SERVICES. WE HAVE VETERANS, WE HAVE MOTHERS, EXPECTING MOTHERS, WE HAVE
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED THE SERVICES AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM.
AND I APPLAUD ALL OF YOUR WORK, DONNA, AND THE FOLKS THAT YOU ARE
WORKING WITH TO MAKE THIS HALF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
AND MR. PATTERSON.
IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, WE ARE JUST PASSING THIS PROPERTY
STRAIGHT OVER TO STEWARD AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANDLING THE SERVICES
FROM THEN ON OUT, CORRECT?
THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANDLING
THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT SERVICES.
JUST THAT, ANYTHING ELSE [ INAUDIBLE
- MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]
WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE
DO NEED TO CORRECT SOMETHING
INCORRECT.
HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND BEFORE YOU VOTE, I
THAT IS IN THE IDENTITY THAT WILL IS
OKAY. --ITEM THAT IS INCORRECT.
OKAY, I JUST WANT TODAY CLARIFY. I WANTED--I JUST
IS JUST ONE ISSUE HERE.
WANTED TO CLARIFY, IT
OKAY.
OKAY. YOU NEED TO MAKE A
CORRECTION?
I DO. IN THE FIRST SENTENCE ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS THAT THE
BOARD HAS VOTED TO DISSOLVE THE AGENCY, THEY ARE WORKING ON LOOKING AT
A NEW FOOTPRINT AND IF NOT, THE STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE FROM THERE TO
MOVE FORWARD IN THE COMMUNITY THAT NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE AT THIS
POINT THIS DISSOLVE.
OKAY, AND SO NOTED. ALL RIGHT, I SEE NO FURTHER. I WAS JUST GOING TO GO
FOR THE VOTE. I AM CALLING FOR A QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, IT WAS NOT
GOING ANY WHERE, I SAID NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE ARE MOVING ONTO ITEM
THREE, WHICH WILL IS A MOTION MADE BY MR. PATTERSON, SECONDED BY MS.
CUSACK SO APPROVE THE TREATMENT THAT SILTY ON NORTH--FACILITY ON NORTH
STONE STREET FROM WINWARD TO THE STEWARD MARCHMAN BEHAVIORAL SERVICES,
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR. YES, I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE HERE, MS.
DENYS. I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE.
I WILL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER
THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL THOSE
THE VOTE.
IN FAVOR, PLEASE
SAY AYE.
AYE.
ALL OPPOSED. AND THAT WOULD BE 6-0, WHERE DID MR. DANIELS GO?
THERE A MOMENT AGO. DID ANYBODY SEE HIM?
HE WAS
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
OKAY. MS. DENYS, I AM SORRY,
WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS.
S THAT OKAY, MR. CHAIR. IT WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED MY VOTE ANY WAY.
BECAUSE I AM VOTING TO SUPPORT, TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST. I GUESS, DONNA,
MY QUESTION COMES TO YOU BECAUSE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THIS, IT WAS
MY UNDERSTANDING, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BOARD, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?
THE BOARD IS STILL MEETING. THEY ARE MEETING EVERY TUESDAY, REGULARLY,
TO MOVE THROUGH A PROCESS OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THE SERVICES. THERE IS A
VA CONTRACT THAT IS NO LONGER GOING TO EXIST WITH WINWARD AND THE VA IS
TAKING THEIR CLIENTS AND PLACING THEM IN OTHER AGENCIES SO THEY WILL
NOT BE DISPLACED, JUST NOT SERVICES FROM WINWARD OR SMA. SO WE WILL
CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM. THEY ARE HAVING AN AUDIT DONE BY LUTHERAN
SERVICES AND THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF THAT AND THERE ARE
SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO RALLY
AROUND THEM AND YOU KNOW, WORK TO ASSIST IN TRYING TO SEE HOW SERVICES
COULD BE PROVIDED IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY NO LONGER CAN SUPPORT THE
ORGANIZATION. AND IF THEY CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM STAYING IN
BUSINESS.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS A TRANSITION IN PROCESS. DO
SOMEBODY, THEY ARE MEETING EVERY WEEK?
I BELIEVE THEY ARE MEETING EVERY
OKAY, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY
WE HAVE
WEEK.
FROM STAFF AT THE MEETINGS?
AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN
INVITED.
I WOULD SAY WE ARE INVITED. I MEAN, NOT FOR NOTHING. I THINK IT WOULD
BE PRUDENT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT OR AN UPDATE. THIS IS SERIOUS,
THIS IS BIG, AND THIS WILL IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND, DEPENDING ON WHAT
IS HAPPENING HERE. I KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO INTO THE WEEDS, MR.
PATTERSON, BUT THIS HAS TINKLES ATTACHED TO IT. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO
THE WEEDS AND WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT PUBLICLY, I THINK IT WOULD
BEHOOVETOUS AT LEAST HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THERE, WE NEED SOME
ACCOUNTABILITY.
YOU NEED TO REQUEST THEM TO ALLOW
THEY WILL AGREE.
US TO BE AT THE MEETING, I AM SURE
WE ARE REQUESTING, ACTUALLY, THE SPECIFIC MEETING--THE SPECIAL MEETING
WITH THE FOLKS AND WE ARE ASKING SOME STATE EMPLOYEES TO COME DOWN AND
MEET WITH US AND ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE WILLING SO THAT WE CAN TALK
OUT SOME OF THE REALITIES OF THAT WHAT WHAT S HAPPENING IS WE AS A
RULE--OF WHAT IS HAPPENING SO WE HAVE ALL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
WHAT IS LEFT RIGHT NOW AT WINWARD IS THE HOUSING PIECE, THE SUPPORTIVE
HOUSING AND THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. SO WE ARE AWARE OF THAT. AND JEFF
IS IN HERE WITH US AS WELL, WE ARE ALL VERY, KEENLY AWARE THAT IT IS A
BIG ISSUE.
AND I AM LOOKING AT THIS FROM SUPPORT SERVICES TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION,
WE CAN STRENGTHEN THE SITUATION SO WE DO NOT HAVE ODD HEADLINES FORMING
HERE THEN IT IS A GOOD THING. I WOULD RATHER BE PROACTIVE THAN E. COLI
ACTIVE, YOU KNOW,--THAN REACTIVE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS DOWN
THE ROAD. SO HOWEVER YOU CAN HANDLE THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT,
THANK YOU.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THAT ITEM IS CLOSED. AND WE WILL NOW GOING--NOW GO TO
ITEM FOUR. DO YOU NEED TO START THIS ONE, JIM? I NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT
ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A REQUEST THAT I HAVE GOTTEN FROM SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS,
SPECIALLY MS. DENYS AND MS. CUSACK, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT
FACES US, THE COUNTY TENDS TO BE THE REAL FOCUS ON COMMUNITY SERVICES,
WE TEND TO BE THE SAFETY NET ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT
REALIZE THAT WE ARE. WHAT I HAVE ASKED DONNA TO DO TO PUT THIS
TOGETHER AND GIVE YOU A SHORTCUT, CLIFF NOTES, IF YOU WOULD SAY, OF
WHAT WE DO TO MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. ALSO, THIS
IS THE BASIS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I TICK POSITIONS AND
SAY THINGS AND I HAVE A REASON WHY AND SOMETIMES I DO NOT ARTICULATE
IT. IF YOU NOTICE, I HAVE SAID BEFORE, WHEN THE COUNCIL SAID THEY WOULD
CONSIDER DOING A CAPITOL, IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ON THE
HOMELESS, BUT YOU HEARD ME, THE COUNCIL SAY WE WILL NOT GET INTO THE
OPERATING SIDE AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO. PART OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
SEE TODAY IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SO MANY
RESPONSIBILITIES AND AS WE JUST NOTED HERE, IN THE EARLIER DISCUSSION,
IT IS ON A FRAGILE CONCEPT. THE AGENCIES, GOD BLESS THEM, THEY DO GREAT
WORK. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY RUN ON A SHOE STRING AND THE LEAST LITTLE
THING, THEY GET A COLD AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT IS THE FLU AND THEY
HAVE THE ORGANIZATION COLLAPSE AND WE ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT IN SOME
CASES TO PICK UP THE PIECES. SO WE HAVE TO WATCH THAT. AND WE HANDLE A
LOT OF FUNDING. WE ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU KNOW, THE STATES
AND THE FEDS SAY THEY WANT THINGS DONE, REALLY, THEY ARE SAYING WELL,
HERE, COUNTY, WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME MONEY, YOU GET IT DONE. AND IN SOME
CASES, WE ALSO USE GENERAL FUND MONEY. WE DO NOT GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR
THIS. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO SAY WE GAVE IT THE OFFICE. WE ARE THE ONLY
ONES TO DO THIS. WE CANNOT TAKE ON ANOTHER ONGOING PROGRAM. THIS IS ALL
OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY TAKE ON. DONE THAT NCAA--DONNA? THANK
YOU, SIR. --DONNA?
THANK YOU, SIR. SO WHEREVER POSSIBLE, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU A TEN YEAR
HISTORY. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF SERVICES HERE TO
THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS, AT RISK OF HOMELESS, OR STRUGGLING WITH LOW
INCOMES, FOOD, HOUSING, PERSPIRATIONS, HEALTH CARE, RENT, MORGAN, SHE
WANTER RENOVATION, AND OPERATING EXPENSES FOR HOMELESS PROVIDERS. YOU
HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A LIST OF THE SERVICES AND THE PROGRAMS UNDER
WHICH THEY FALL AND I WILL BE USING THE ABBREVIATIONS BUT YOU WILL SEE
HERE THAT WE HAVE THE SHELTER GRANT, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BLOCK
GRANT, LOW INCOME HEATING AND ENERGY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. RAPID
REHOUSING PROGRAM. CHILDREN AND FAMILIES PROGRAM. A BLOCK GRANT AND
SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM. SO UNDER OUR HOUSING PROGRAM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW
ACTIVITIES, THE HOUSING CHOICE, WHICH YOU KNOW AS SECTION EIGHT, [
INAUDIBLE ], WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM BUT FOR A
MUCH SHORTER TIME PERIOD. NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM, WE BROUGHT
THE HOMES AND THEN SOLD THEM BACK TO POWERPOINT HOMES. AND WE--BACK TO
THEM. AND HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM, WE GO IN AND MAKE IMPROVEMENT
TOSS FOLKS HOMES SO THEY ARE LIVING IN A SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT. AND
THE JAIL DIVERSION PROGRAM. AND REGULARLY, I WILL SAY IT HAS GOTTEN
BETTER, BUT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THIS IS WHAT THE OFFICES USES TO LOOK
LIKE. LINES OUT THE DOOR, PEOPLE WAITING, VERY DESPERATE FOR
SERVICES. SO OVER $21 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT ON SERVICES THROUGH GRANT
FUNDS AND THE GENERAL FUND. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, 10 MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THIS YEAR W I HAVE BUDGET--THIS YEAR, WE HAVE BUDGETED $2.4
MILLION. YOU WILL SEE A PRETTY GRAPH THAT SHOW YOUS THE EXPENDITURES
OVER THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. HOUSING, THIS IS A HOUSE BEFORE WE DID A
PROJECT, FALLING DOWN, NOW THEY HAVE A NICE, SAFE HOME. NOTHING FANCY,
BUT A NICE, SAFE HOME ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY.
IN 2007, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED, THE COUNCIL MADE AN INVESTMENT TO
PROVIDE ALCOHOL, DRUG, AND MENTAL HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES VISES FOR
VETERANS AND HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS. HOUSING SERVICES, $59 MILLION OVER
THE PAST TEN YEARS FOR HOWING SERVICE. THAT IS BOTH RENTAL AN
EVERYTHING. $27.07 FOR FIVE YEARS AND $7.7 MILLION FOR THE CURRENT
YEAR. AGAIN, A PRETTY GRAPH THAT SHOWS YOU THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT
PROVIDED THE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. HOMELESS PREVENTION SERVICES,
CLIENT EMERGENCY VISES. THIS IS HUGE. WE HAVE FOUR OFFICES, DELAND,
DAYTONA BEACH, ORANGE CITY, AND NEW SMYRNA AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES
BROADER THAN THIS BUT IN PARTICULAR RENTAL AN UTILITY ASSISTANCE. OVER
THE LAST FIVE YEARS $7733. CURRENT YEAR, 608. THAT 608 IS NOT 608
INDIVIDUALS, IT IS 608 FAMILIES. IT MIGHT BE AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT MOST
CASES, THIS IS A FAMILY THAT IS COMING AND GETTING ASSISTANCE. UTILITY
CITY SUSTAINS IS GREATER. --ASSISTANCE IS GREATER. IF THEY DO NOT HAVE
UTILITIES, MANY LEASES REQUIRE THAT YOU UTILITY BILL BE PAID IN
RECORDER TO STAY IN YOUR HOME. SO IT IS SERIOUS--IN ORDER TO STAY IN
YOUR HOME. SO IT IS CEASE YOUR FOR THE ELDERLY OR THOSE WITH
DISABILITIES, THEY CANNOT RUN OXYGEN, MULTIPLE HEALTH ISSUES, IT IS
REALLY A PROBLEM.
LET ME ADD, IF YOU THINK IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO GET SOMEBODY AND
GET THEM BACK FROM HOMELESSNESS TO THERE, TO SOME KIND OF HOME. THINK
ABOUT THE VALUE AND THE DOLLARS WE USE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING
HOMELESS. THERE IS NO COMPARISON THAT THE DOLLARS SPENT TO KEEP
SOMEBODY FROM FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS IS MONEY BETTER SPENT THAN TO
TRY TO FELT GET THEM BACK. AND YOU CAN HELP A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE
WITH THE MONEY BY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING HOMELESS. AND I
DO THINK WE DO NOT GET KNICKERED FOR THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE
PROGRAMS WE RUN, IF YOU I HAVE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NOW D NOT HAVE THE
PROGRAMS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING THAT REALLY
MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO A LOT OF FAMILIES. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH
SOMETIMES FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A MISTAKE AND THEY ARE OUT. AND THEN ALL
OF IT STARTS TO YOU KNOW, UNRAVEL, SPIRAL, AND THE PEOPLE LOSE JOBS.
AND THE FAMILY HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO THESE ARE BIG EFFORTS ON OUR
PART, AND I THINK IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO USE
MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE, IT IS TO KEEP THEM BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT IS JUST
THAT FLUKE, THAT ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENS, THAT MEDICAL BILL THAT THEY
CANNOT PAY. THE CAR BREAKS DOWN AND NOW THE WHOLE THING IS UNRAVELING
ON THEM.
THE SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WELL, HOW IS THAT
PREVENTION? WELL, MANY TIMES FAMILIES ARE FORCE TODAY CHOOSE BETWEEN-FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING THEIR RENT AN UTILITY BILL AND FOOD. SO
THE KIDS HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE TWO MEALS A DAY DURING THE SUMMER. THAT
IS FOOD IN THEIR BELLIES, IF THEY CHOOSE TO EAT IT AND IT IS MONEY THAT
THE PARENTS DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND ON FOOD. IN MANY CASES, THERE IS
PROGRAMMING GOING ON. SO THAT IS 11,837 OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF
KIDS THAT WERE SERVED. AND THEN WE GO INTO OTHER HOUSING PROGRAMS,
PROJECTS COMPLETED, RENTAL ASSISTANCE. THAT IS THE SECTION HOME SHIP,
ALL OF THOSE THAT FOCUS ON RENT ASSISTANCE AND THEN HOME BUYER
ASSISTANCE, ALSO. 424 OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND 56 JUST THIS YEAR.
HOUSING SERVICES, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR SERVICES THAT WE
CANNOT GET TO BECAUSE EITHER THE FUNDING OR GETTING THROUGH THE SYSTEM,
BUT 62 PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR HOUSING REHABILITATION SERVICES. THESE
ARE PEOPLE, THEIR HOMES NEED ASSISTANCE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE, FOR
SAFETY REASONS. 241 PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR RENTAL ASSISTANT SERVICES.
AN AVERAGE OF 1800 FOLKS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WERE DENIED FOR
RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND 2300 FOR UTILITY PAYMENTS. AND MANY TIMES, THAT
IS BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER THE THRESHOLD BUT SOMETIMES IT IS JUST BARELY
OVER. AND THE AMOUNTS, THEY ARE PRETTY LOW. SO SOME FOLKS THAT REALLY
WORK HARD, HERE IS SOME OF MY STAFF THAT IS OUT AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.
THEY GO TO SHARE THE INFORMATION ANT THE SERVICE THAT--ABOUT THE
SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. KIDS ARE GETTING FREE LUNCH. WE HAVE
ACTUALLY BOUGHT TEACHINGER IS SITCATS BECAUSE SOMEBODY--TEACHING
CERTIFICATES, WHERE WE GIVE PEOPLE A HAND UP AND THEY ARE REALLY PROUD
OF THE SUCCESS THAT THEY HAVE MADE OF THEMSELVES. STABLE AND AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, SAFE HOUSING. AND THEN HERE IS OUR FIVE YEAR EXPENDITURE FROM
ALL OF THE HOMELESS PREVENTION. AND HOMEOWNER HOUSING. AND RENTAL
HOUSING. NOW BEFORE I GO TO QUESTIONS, I WANT TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE
BIT AND MR. DENNIEEN WAS QUITE WONDERFUL IN ALLOWING KNOW DO SOMETHING
SPECIAL AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE STANDING, SITTING BEHIND ME HERE
AND THAT IS MY GREAT STAFF. SO I GET A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THIS DIVISION
BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT
DEAL WITH THE CLIENTS, THAT HAVE TO TELL THEM NO, THAT EVERY DAY WORK
REALLY HARD. SO I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THEM. ESPECIALLY MY
MANAGER, WE HAVE ANOTHER MANAGER COMING ON BOARD AND THEN THEY ARE
GOING TO HAVE THE STAFF STAND UP WITH THEM. AND I AM HOPING THAT YOU
WILL JOIN ME. DIANA, PAT JAMES, OUR HUMAN SERVICES. PAT'S STAFF. AND
DONNA CARTER, OUR NEXT EIGHT MANAGER AND I THINK HER STAFF IS THERE IN
THE BACK. AND CHRISTINE IS DID NOT--AND CHRISTINE DID NOT STAND UP. SO
PLEASE, IT ASK YOU TO THANK--I WOULD ASK YOU THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY
DO. [ APPLAUSE ]
DONNA?
YES, SIR.
IF I CAN ADD, YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A
CERTAIN FEEL FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE
TEND TO SEE SOME PEOPLE IN THE FRONT LINES AND SOME PEOPLE QUIET
FRANKLY GET MORE ACCOLADES THAN OTHERS, OKAY? IT IS REALLY, IN A LOT OF
CASES, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UNSEEN BEHIND THE SCENES THAT REALLY MAKE
JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE DIFFERENCE. I THINK THIS GROUP DOES DESERVE A
SPECIAL ROUND OF APPLAUSE BECAUSE IT IS A WONDERFUL THING IF YOU ARE
HELP SOMEBODY. THINK HOW TOUGH IT IS TO TURN SOMEBODY DOWN AND I THINK
IT IS A LOT TO ASK OF AN EMPLOYEE, WHEN SOMEBODY IS JUST MAYBE DOES NOT
MAKE IT, YOU HAVE TO TURN THEM DOWN AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW WHAT
DEVASTATION IT COULD BE. YOU CAN REALLY HURT SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY
KNOW NEEDS THE HELP. I THINK IT IS A DIFFICULT THING TO DO WITH. YOU
KNOW, FORTUNATELY, I HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH IT A LOT. I HAVE DONE
SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THE AGENCIES I WORK WITH, BUT I THINK THAT WE
NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP
A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT TURN THEM
DOWN. IF I HAD MORE MONEY, IN ANY ONE PLACE THAT I COULD USE, IT WOULD
BE IN THIS AREA. IF WE HAD MORE MONEY TO TAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH THE
TEEM THAT COME IN--WITH THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND IN SOME CASES, WE
ARE THE LAST CHANCE THEY HAVE. AND NOW WHEN YOU DO HELP SOMEBODY, YOU
KNOW SOMETIMES IT REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE AND THAT IS THE GOOD PART.
BUT THE STAFF ALSO HAS TO TELL PEOPLE NO AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR
ALL OF THE GOOD THEY DO. THANKS.
QUESTIONS?
OH, THERE IS PLENTY OF QUESTIONS,
I CAN SEE. MR. DANIELS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO
AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO LOOK SOMEONE IN THE EYE AND TELL THEM
THAT YOU CANNOT HELP. I CAN NOT THINK ABOUT HAVING TO DO THAT MYSELF.
IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THAT,
AND I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A WHILE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT
I WAS WATCHING TELEVISION THE OTHER NIGHT AND ON CHANNEL 2, RARELY
WATCH NETWORK BUT THERE WAS A RATHER LONG, ABOUT HALF AN HOUR PROGRAM
ON THE HOMELESS PROGRAM IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. ORANGE COUNTY AND SOME OF
THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES HAD BANDED TOGETHER AND THEY WERE DOING THE
HOUSING FIRST DEAL. AND THEY HAD GOT AND LOT OF CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS,
PARTICULARLY FROM THE HOSPITALS BECAUSE THE HOSPITALS SAW THEY WOULD
SAVE MONEY. FLORIDA HOSPITAL WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO IT. YOU KNOW, IT
WAS A PROGRAM THEY REALLY BELIEVED IN. THE IDEA THAT YOU GIVE THEM A
HOUSE, YOU STABILIZE THEM AND THEN YOU START WORRYING ABOUT DRUG
TREATMENT AND THAT KIND OF THING, IT IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAT THE MODEL
THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT. IF THERE IS A GOOD DEAL OF CORPORATE
MONEY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HOSPITALS, FROM OTHER GROUPS FOR THAT TYPE OF
PROGRAM, IT MIGHT BE WORT LOOKING INTO--BE WORTH LOOK INTO.
ACTUAL--LOOK INTO.
ACTUALLY--LOOKING INTO.
ACTUALLY, DONNA KNOWS ABOUT THAT. THEY CAME UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY, YOU
ARE RIGHT. IT IS A DIFFERENT THINKING, AND IN FACT, I THINK THAT A LOT
OF THE FEDS AND EVERYBODY HAVE MOVED MORE TOWARDS THAT.
YES, ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT
THE FEDS WILL FUND, I THINK
NOW.
RIGHT, BAAER BECAUSE THEY--RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE
SHELTERING THING WORKS. BUT IT REQUIRES A LOT OF CAPITOL UP FRONT AND
LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENCY TO RUN IT. IT IS A
THINKING, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE THINKING THAT
DAYTONA BEACH HAS ENBARKED ON.
THE REASON WHY I THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT, IF YOU CAN
PULL IT OFF, IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK.
GET HELP TO
LET'S COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAM IS DOING AND FROM THAT,
MAYBE WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO INVESTIGATE THAT PATH. HOW DOES THAT
SOUND? WE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY LIKEST GET SOMETHING DONE--I
WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE HOMELESS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, WE
REALLY DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, I AM NOT LOOKING TO MUDDY
THE WATERS ON THE SHELTER, THAT WOULD BE FINE, TOO. BUT THIS JUST SEEMS
TO BE THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU CAN GET CORPORATE SPONSORS AND MONEY
FOR THAT THEY BELIEVE IN IT. AND IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET IT
KICKED OFF HERE, IT IS ANOTHER PART OF THE ANSWER.
WHAT I THINK YOU COULD DO IS, I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL MADE IT CLEAR
THAT THEY WOULD HELP IF IT IS A PROGRAM, WE WOULD BE ON THE CAPITOL
END. SO IF THEY WOULD GO DOWN TO PATH, THEN YOUR CAPITAL, INSTEAD OF
BEING A SHELTER, IT COULD BE HOMES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE NOT A FAR
CRY FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL, I THINK HAS SAID, IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO
DECIDE NOT ONLY WHO IS GOING TO GET THE MONEY, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO RUN
THE PROGRAM. AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING THE
SHELTER.
WHO RUNS IT IN CENTRAL FLORIDA?
WELL, THEY HAVE A NEW MEN'S SHELTER THAT THE HOMELESS COALITION RUNS.
BUT I AM NOT SURE. I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO RUNS THE HOMELESS
FIRST.
AND MAYBE SEE IF YOU CAN SEE
WE HAVE SOME OF THE
INFORMATION.
MAYBE IT TAKES DIFFERENT
APPRECIATE IT.
I WOULD
HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.
THINGS TO DO IT. BUT IF YOU WOULD,
I WOULD
BE HAPPY TO.
OKAY. MS. CUSACK.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO DONNA AND TO ALL OF THE
STAFF HERE THAT DEALS WITH COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE, THAT YOUR JOB IS ONE
OF, IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE YOU
SEE PEOPLE IN THEIR MOST TIMES, AT THEIR WORST AND THAT ALL HOPE IS
GONE. AND YOU ARE THE CONDUIT THAT MAKES IT HAPPEN FOR PEOPLE. AND I
APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE
BASED ON HUMAN SERVICE ISSUES AND THE LACK THERE OF, BUT I KNOW WHAT
YOU DO, AND I NOW HOW HARD YOU WORK AT TRYING TO HELP EARN THAT COMES
INTO YOUR DOORS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU CONTINUE
TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE
FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY. YOU ARE TO BE APPLAUDED TIME AND
TIME AGAIN FOR WHAT YOU DO. NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU, WHAT IS THE WAITING
TIME NOW FOR THEM TO BE SEEN IN WE TALKED ABOUT--SEEN? WE TALKED ABOUT
THAT. WHERE ARE WE WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE SEEN WITHIN THE TIME?
THERE ARE STILL WAITING TIMES BUT IT IS DEPEND ORANGE THE TIME OF THE
YEAR AND THE TIME OF THE MONTH. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE EXACT
TIMES. PROBABLY AND HOUR OR TWO. PROBABLY AND HOUR OR TWO.
WE WILL BRING THAT BACK.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE STRETCHED
THIN. BUT WHEN YOU NEED HELP, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD COME
AND ASK THAT HE RECOLLECTS ARE THE FOLKS THAT--AND ASK, THOSE ARE THE
FOLKS THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN UP HERE. WHEN YOU NEED HELP, YOU NEED TO LET
US KNOW.
I WILL TELL YOU N ALL FAIRNESS, WHEN--TELL YOU, IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE
COUNCIL ACTUALLY GIVE UP THE LAST OF YOUR MONEY TO HER FOR THIS
PROGRAM. WE GOT SO DESPERATE THAT WHAT LITTLE MONEY THE COUNCIL HAD IN
THEIR FUNDS, YOU ALL GAVE IT UP JUST TO FUND THIS. YOU DID. YOU DID.
YOU
DID. IT IS GONE. IT IS GONE. BUT YOU DID PUT THE MONEY AND I THINK
YOU REMEMBER, WE GOT REALLY DESPERATE IN THE DOWNTURN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
MS. DENYS, THERE
IS NO MORE DISCRETION THERE.
SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANKS, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU FOR
THIS REPORT. IT IS ONE THING THAT I SAY OVER, WHEN I TALKED TO THE
MANAGER, ANOTHER ISSUE AT LUNCH. WE DO THIS WELL, IF WE HAVE A WEAKNESS
HERE, DUO NOT TELL OUR TORIE WELL. --WE DO NOT TELL OUR STORY WELL.
WHAT WE DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THIS IS, THIS IS A CONNECTION OR A
CONNECTOR TO THE PIECE, HOPEFULLY WHAT WE DO HERE DOES NOT END TO
HOMELESSNESS. SO HOPEFULLY WE ARE AVERTING SOME CRISIS AND WE ARE
PROBABLY THE LAST HOPE FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS. BUT WE ALSO PARTNER WITH
THE CITIES, DO WE NOT, AND ALL OF THE PROGRAMS AND HABITAT, DO WE
PARTNER WITH THEM?
WE DO NOT
PARTNER WITH THE
CITIES. BUT WE DO WITH HABITAT.
I WAS ACTUALLY SWINGING A HAMMER YESTERDAY, WE WERE BUILDING A DUPLEX
AND TALKING WITH THE STAFF THERE AND TALK--WITH THE STAFF THERE AND
TALKING WITH THE CITY, AND SOME OF THE HOMELESS ISSUES, THERE ARE A LOT
OF SENIORS THAT ARE IN HOMES THAT NEED TO BE DESTROYED, LITTLE ALONE
JUST FIXED UP--LET ALONE JUST FIXED UP: AND TO THAT, MR. DANIELS, I AM
GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT HOUSING FIRST, I COULD NOT REMEMBER
THE NAME OF IT BUT I HAD HEARD ABOUT THE CONCEPT. MR. MANAGER AND
COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOLDING A WORKSHOP TO WALK
ABOUT THE HOMELESSISH IN A BROADER--HOMELESS ISSUE IN A BROADER SCALE,
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DAY DOE THAT CONSULTANT POSITION, I AM
TALKING ABOUT A HOLE LIST I CAN APPROACH AND ALL OF THE OTHER
COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE A PIECE OF THIS, TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER
PICTURE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT? I DO NOT
THINK WE HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE.
I AGREE. HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM, YOUR PROBLEM IS THIS IS, THIS WHOLE
THING IS WRAPPED AROUND THIS PROPOSAL, MY OPINION IS THAT WE WOULD BE
BETTER OFF TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. BECAUSE I HAVE
A FEELING THAT WHAT IS GOING TO PLAY OUT IS THEY ARE COMING TO THE END
OF A DEAD END ROAD AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE
NEED TO GO FROM HERE.
WELL, BUT THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT, WHERE THE PROPOSAL, WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT, PANS OUT OR NOT, WE HAVE EXISTING AGENCIES AND SERVICES AND I
BET YOU ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE
COUNTY DOES TO FACILITATE LACK OF HOMELESSNESS AND KEEPING FOLKS, I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IN FACT, I AM GOING TO, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
THAT WE HOLD A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESS ISSUE AND IN VERY
BROAD TERMS AND BRING OTHER AGENCIES TO THE TABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
WHAT THEY DO, AND TO SEE EXACTLY THE BASELINE, OR THE PULSE OF WHERE WE
ARE NOW. AND WITH OR WITHOUT THE DOCTOR.
I THINK YOU ARE FACING, HERE IS THE ISSUE, WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO
ANYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, LET'S GET REAL CLEAR, THE CITIES
ARE NOT PARTICIPATING TO THE GREAT DEGREE IN SOCIAL SERVICES. SO THERE
IS NOT AS MUCH FOR THEM TOED A. I AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF WE COULD
LOOK AT A WAY THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO. BECAUSE I THINK THAT
IS BEING MISSED. I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION, MY ONLY POINT IS I THINK
THAT THEY HAVE RALLIED PEOPLE ENOUGH AROUND THIS FOCUS THAT THAT NEEDS
TO PLAY ITSELF OUT. BECAUSE WE KEEP WAITING FOR THAT TO PLAY IT OUT. WE
TOLD THEM WHAT WE WOULD DO AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BACK. THERE HAS
BEEN NOTHING.
BUT THIS IS STAND ALONE ISSUE, MR. DENNIEEN, VERY HONESTLY. WE HAVE
AGENCIES, WE HAVE HALIFAX URBAN MINISTRIES, SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES, I
WOULD JUST REICH TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THEY DO WELL AND I THINK THE
PICTURE THAT WE WOULD SEE WOULD BE VERY ENCOURAGING. WE HAVE NEVER
DONE, HERE IS THE OTHER THING.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING THE
TAKE ON THE SERVICES. IT IS ONE THING IF YOU COULD DO IT AT A ROUND
TABLE, THAT YOU COULD DO BECAUSE IT IS REALLY JUST A DISCUSSION
PROCESS OF WHAT GOES ON. BUT I THINK THE WORKSHOP PROBLEM, I DO NOT
WANT TO ARGUE, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE LEADING THE DISCUSSION ON
TAKING THIS ON.
NO, BUT HERE IS THE THING, AND MAYBE I AM WRONG. BUT I DO NOT THINK
THERE HAS BEEN A GAP ANALYSIS DONE OF THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT ARE OUT
THERE, WHERE THE WEAKNESSES ARE, WHERE IS THE UNDER SERVED POPULATION,
WHAT DO WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN, AND THERE MAY BE SOME ANSWERS WITH THE
AGENCIES FOR A COLLABORATION.
WE CAN LOOK TO THE AGENCIES BUT I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND IS
THE CITIES DO NOT SEE IT AS THEIR ISSUE. IF THERE IS A GAP, WHY DOESN'T
THE COUNTY FILL IT. THAT IS THE IMPRESSION I GET.
I AM NOT TALKING CITIES. I AM TALKING AT THE NON PROFIT LEVEL, MR.
DENNIEEN. MY MOTION IS ON THE TABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT
BUT MY MOTION IS STANDING.
OKAY, THAT IS MOTION STANDING
OR NOT.
ON THE TABLE THAT WILL REQUIRE A
SECOND
I WILL SECOND IT.
OKAY, THAT IS SECOND. MOTION IS TO--OKAY, THERE IS A SECOND. WORKSHOP
TO DISCUSS THE HOMELESS ISSUE. IS THERE A SESSION BY MR. LAWYER
RICHARDSON DUMP--THERE IS A SECOND BY MR. LOWERY.
I APPRECIATE IT BUT I WILL NOT SUCH PORT IT. AND THE REASON THAT I
BROUGHT UP THE HOMELESS SHELTER THE WAY I DID, WE NEED TO CONTINUE
DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO. THE REASON I
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE THE POSITION THAT WE TOOK, WE, AND
JIM THIS GOES TO YOU AS WELL, THE REASON WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM,
THEY THOUGHT WE WERE COMING WITH A FORMAL MEETING TO TAKE A POSITION.
BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION, WELL, THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO A
RESOLUTION, SO THAT IS WHY THERE IS THAT-I THINK WE COULD CLARIFY
THAT.
BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT, AND THIS IS WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO
HAVE, THAT DISCUSSION, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND THERE HAVE
BEEN STUDIES AND WE KNOW THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE JUST HARD TO FILL. I
LIKED THE IDEA, AND I STOLE YOUR IDEA FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO,-SO VOTE FOR IT.
WELL, NOT THE WORKSHOP. I AM EIGHT THE IDEA BEHIND--I AM SAYING THE
IDEA BEHIND AND WHAT WE DID A FEW MEETINGS BACK, WE WILL PROVIDE THE
LAND, AND THEN WE ARE OUT. THE REASON I LIKED IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE OUT
OF IT. IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP, WE ARE BACK. WE ARE BACK IN IT. I DON'T
WANT TO SAY IT, BUT WE ARE BACK. AND WE, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO
GO THERE BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE TRYING, AT LEAST I THOUGHT WAS TO SAY WE
ARE GOING TO DO OUR PART, WE NEED EVERYBODY TO STEP UP. BECAUSE THEY
HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP, WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP,
WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP. BUT I DIDN'T REALLY HERE OR SEE ANY AGREEMENT
SO, THAT WAS THE IDEA WAS HEY, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AND THIS. SO WHEN I
CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, I KNEW THAT THAT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR IT.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR
THAT? NO.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT GETS LAST BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS WE
ARE ENGAGING IN TELLING THE CITIES WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. IF WE CONTINUE
IN THE PATH, AND SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, HERE IS UP TO
$4 MILLION, UP TO FIVE ACRES OF LAND, THERE IS NO COMING BACK. THERE
HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE TO SHOW ALL OF THE THINGS,
THERE IS NO REVERTER. WHAT IT DOES IS WE HAVE TALKED THE TALK. WE HAVE
SAID WE HAVE DONE WHAT WHERE HE HAVE DONE. --WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE ARE
PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO TALK THE TALK AND COME TO
AGREEMENTS. IF WE CONTINUE IN THE KIND OF DISCUSSION ASPECT, I DON'T
THINK THEY ARE GOING DO HAVE TO GET IT TOGETHER. I LIKED THE IDEA OF
GETTING OUT OF IT. I LIKED TO STEP BACK AND SAY OKAY, DO YOU GUYS WANT
TO STEP UP? DO IT. AND THAT IS WHY IF WE DO A WORKSHOP AND WE DO NOT
TAKE THAT KIND OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT ROUTE OF JUST SAYING HERE IS
WHAT WE WILL DO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
WELL, BUT YOU, AND I HEAR YOU, JOSH, I DO. BUT I GUESS I AM AT A
DIFFERENT LEVEL, I AM LOOKING AT IT FROM WHERE ARE WE NOW? WHAT DOES
THIS SNAPSHOT LOOK LIKE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY SEPARATE FROM A STAND ALONE,
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE
HAVE DONE THAT GAP ANALYSIS AND MAYBE THE ROUND TABLE, YOU KNOW, IF
THIS DOES NOT PASS THE VOTE, WHICH I AM SURE SINCE I GAVE JOSH HIS IDEA
AND HE KNEW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT HIM, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOURSELF.
BUT IF IT DOES NOT PASS HERE, PERHAPS THE HOMELESS
DISCUSSION THERE-I CAN, HOW ABOUT THIS, IF, WOULD
THAT? A LETTER OR RESOLUTION TO
ROUND TABLE OR
THE WAY TO DO THE $4 MILLION, WE PUT
THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH?
I DO BELIEVE, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT HURT, WE COULD DO SOMETHING MORE
FORMAL AND SAY IT IS OUT THERE AND MAYBE THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM,
THAT WE WERE NOT KIDDING. SO WE CAN HAVE YOU DO A RESOLUTION OR
WHATEVER SAYING, AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE, IF YOU HAVE ALL THE THINGS
DONE, IT IS OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT.
ONE OF THE THINGS TO ADD, WHICH I WOULD SUPPORT, IF YOU WANTED TO GO
THIS WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS ABUSES, WHEN THEY HAVE THE CONTRACTS AND
HAVING TO WORKSHOP, WOULD BE TO ANALYZE WHAT ORGANIZATIONS THEY ARE
USING, WHY THEY ARE EYEWITNESS NEWSING THEM. IF WE LOOK AT IT--WHY
THEY ARE USING THEM. BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN GET A SPECIFIC, OKAY IS [
INAUDIBLE ] INVOLVED. AND THEN YOU ARE ACTIVE LIP VOL YOU HAVED. I
WOULD--ACTIVELY INVOLVED. I WOULD BE OKAY IF WE WERE DOING THAT. IT IS
RATHER THAN THIS IS WHAT WE THINK YOU SHOULD DO.
MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
YES, AND I THINK IT IS OKAY TO ADD AS ONE OF THE PRONGS, ONE OF THE YOU
KNOW, THE ITEMS IN THE LETTER TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGED AT THIS
LEVEL BUT STILL PUT IT ON THEM. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT
THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT IT IS THEIR MONEY IN THE OPERATING AS SECT OF
THIS. --ASPECT OF THIS. SO IF THEY ARE THE RUNS PAYING FOR IT. WELL, IT
DIDN'T WORK, IT IS YOUR FAULT. I DON'T WANT THAT ARGUMENT. I WANT, IT
IS GOING WHERE GREAT, I WANT--IT IS GOING TO BE GREAT. I WANT THEM TO
FEEL PRESSURED. THEY HAVE MONEY IN THE GAME. THERE IS A REASON THAT THE
JAIL FILLS UP, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE
OVERNIGHTS. THERE IS IS A REASON FOR THAT. SOME CITIES PAY INTO THE
JAIL AND THEN THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE IN THE JAIL. THE SAME THING WITH
HOMELESSNESS. IF THEY ARE PAYING FIRST TIME, IT IS GOING TO WORK VERY
WELL. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR IT. IF WE ARE, IT IS JUST
LIKE THE JAIL. SO, I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF YOUR MOTION IS TO TIE IT INTO
THAT, THE LETTER, OR THE RESOLUTION, IF IT FITS FOR YOU FOR THAT. I
WOULD DO THAT.
I UNDERSTAND. I AGREE WITH YOU, JOSH, AND I THINK IT IS JUST WISDOM AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR POSITION AS STEWARDS. BUT I AM NOT THINKING ON
THE LEVEL, I AM THINKING OF THE EXISTING AGENCIES AND JUST A SNAPSHOT
OF WHO IS PROVIDING WHAT SERVICE. SO IT WAS MORE FOR INFORMATION THAN
DIRECTION OR TO INCLUDE THE CITIES. I AM NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT. I AM
NOT LOOKING TO SEE, IT IS JUST, I AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION BECAUSE I
THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE WHAT WE DO,
THAN WE REALIZE.
NOW THAT WE CAN DO. NOW THAT, I THINK WE CAN HELP ORGANIZE AND WE CAN
ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING BY SHOWING BEYOND US,
HOW DOES IT ALL WORK.
THAT IS ALL I
AM LOOKING FOR, IS INFORMATION.
I CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT OTHER
AGENCIES ARE DOING AND THEIR SHORTFALLS. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL
TO EVERYONE. I CAN GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN MAYBE THROUGH THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT&T GAP AAL SIS AND--LOOK AT
A GAP ANALYSIS AND I THINK THE PICTURES WILL UNFOLD GOING THROUGH THE
PROCESS HERE. THAT IS ALL I AM LOOKING FOR.
IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THAT,
I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
WE DO NOT NEED A MOTION NOW. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO WITHDRAW
OR LET THE MOTION STAND?
THE MOTION
JUST DO IT DURING A NORMAL?
WELL, I WILL DO IT LIKE THIS IS UP DAY-TO-DAY. WE WILL TAKE A THING, WE
WILL HAVE THE UPDATE AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE AGENCIES, QUITE
FRANKLY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR THEM.
OKAY, SHOULD SHOW SOME COLLABORATION,
ONE MOMENT. I HAVE
I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
WORK TO DO HERE. DOES THE SECOND
WITHDRAW?
OKAY, THANK YOU. I AM SORRY.
OTHER THING, YOU MAY WANT TO DO IS WE COULD TIE IT TO ALSO THE $4
MILLION. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING MORE FORMAL, I DON'T THINK IT
WOULD HURT. I WILL TRY TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
OKAY.
I DON'T THINK
IT WOULD HURT.
MR. DANIELS?
PROBABLY NO LATER THAN THE SECOND
ALL RIGHT, MR. DAN DANIEL---MR.
MEETING, MAYBE JUNE.
DANIELS.
YOU HAVE TALKED IT OUT AND AM HAPPY WITH THE SOLUTION. I DIDN'T WANT TO
BE RAINING ON THE CITY'S PARADE AND I DO NOT THINK IT DOES. I THINK IT
IS SEPARATE FROM THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON WHERE
EVERYBODY IS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CONTINUING OF CARING FOR PEOPLE
THAT DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE SHOWN MUCH EXCITEMENT FOR THE PROPOSAL. WELL,
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY.
THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHER AGENERAL--SALVATION
WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.
ARMY FOR ONE. THAT IS A
YELL, YOU KNOW,--WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THEM AND THEY ARE NOT ON
BOARD FOR SOME REASON AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WHY. YOU KNOW,--KNOW
WHY. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT KIND OF THING BEFORE WE GET TOO
MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AND I WOULD NOT MIND SEEING US TAKE MORE OF
A LEADERSHIP ROLL IN THIS. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING
INTO. AND WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GETTING INTO AND WHAT IT
IS GOING TO COST IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. BUT THAT IS DOWN THE
ROAD, CERTAINLY. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PAST MEETING WITH THE AGENCIES,
KNOWING WHAT THEY DO AND THEIR PROBLEMS AND WHAT THEY SAW AS BEING THE
ISSUES. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AS A FIRST STEP AND KIND OF GO FROM
THERE. THANK YOU.
YES, MR. PATTERSON.
I THINK YOU ARE GETTING READY TO GET YOURSELF INTO THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE
FOOD FIGHT BETWEEN ALL OF THE AGENCIES. I KNOW THERE IS A GROUP THAT IS
TALKING TO THE SALVATION ARMY, ALL OF THE LITTLE GROUPS OUT THERE THAT
ARE COMING TOGETHER AND THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET US IN THERE TO PICK
SIDES. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING TO DO A WORKSHOP OR DO ANYTHING WITH IS
A BAD IDEA OUT THERE. WE HAVE SO A PROSE THE OUT THERE AND WE NEED TO
BACK UP AND WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. BUT I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO
GET THE OCEAN CENTER TO HAVE THIS MEETING.
WE COULD DO THAT. YES, WE COULD PROBABLY DO. YES, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH
MR. PATTERSON ON THIS ONE. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE IN SALES YOU DO YOUR
SALES PITCH, YOU MAKE YOUR OFFER, THEN YOU SHUT UP, SIT BACK, AND THE
NEXT ONE WHO MOVES LOUIS. SO WE--LOSES SO WE HAVE MADE THE OFFER, IT
IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN. TAG, YOU ARE IT, GO DO IT. AND WE MADE SOME
GOOD OFFERS. ANY WAYS, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER?
THAT IS ALL, MR. CHAIR. AND THAT
IS IT.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 25, THANK YOU VERY MUCH STAFF FOR COMING IN.
DIDN'T NEED A RESOLUTION OR A VOTE OR ANYTHING ON THAT.
WE
NOPE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS. AND THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. ITEM 25 HAS
BEEN PULLED FROM THE CON ISN'T AGENDA--CONSENT AGENDA BY MS. DENYS.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MADAM.
YOU PULLED 25.
ITEM 25 HAS BEEN PULLED BY MS.
DENYS, YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR, MADAM.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST, THIS IS GREAT, JUST FOR A CONVERSATION, I
CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM GOING ASK THE BOARD, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU
WHAT I AM HEARING IN MY COMMUNITY, WHAT ABOUT PARKING. I WAS ACTUALLY
AT SMYRNA DUNES PARK LAST WEEK AND SPECIFICALLY DROVE AROUND LOOKING AT
OPPORTUNITYINGS TO EXPAND PARKING AND THEY ARE BETWEEN THE COAST GUARD
AND NASA SATELLITE THAT THEY HAVE OVER THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DUNE,
WE ARE BOXED IN AS FAR AS PARKING GOES DOWN THERE.
CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING REALLY FUNNY? I BROUGHT THIS UP WITHIN THREE
YEARS AGO AND 30 SECONDS I HAD THREE E-MAILS READY TO COME AT ME, DO
NOT TOUCH A SINGLE THING IN THAT PARK. I GUESS THERE ARE A LOT OF
RESTRICTIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS CLAY HENDERSON.
HE IS GOING TO E-MAIL
YOU IN ABOUT 60 SECONDS.
I SUPPORT IT THOUGH, IS THE POINT.
PARKING IS AN ISSUE.
IT IS AN ISSUE NOW. WE
THE BOARD WALK.
IN FACT, WE ARE APPLYING FOR
A GRANT TO CHANGE
AND THAT NEEDS IT BADLY.
YES, BADLY. PART OF THAT ECHO GRANT DOES LOOK AT TRYING TO EXPAND THAT
PARKING LOT. WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME EDGE OF ROAD PARKING, THAT IS WHAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT, SOME SHALE WHERE WE CAN MAYBE EXPAND THE EDGE ROAD
PARKING LEADING INTO THAT FACILITY, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE SPACE. THERE
IS YES, A MANAGEMENT PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE TO
COMPLY WITH. AND CERTAINLY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROTECTED SPECIES IN
THERE AS WELL.
AND THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD, THE COAST GUARD IS HERE, THERE IS AN
ACCESS ROAD INTO THE DUNES, I THINK IT IS NASA THAT HAS THE SATELLITE
POSITIONED THERE, THAT COULD BE USED. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK LONG TERM FOR
THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHO USES IT THE MOST, JOSH, IT IS SURFERS, THAT IS
A SURFER MECCA, LITERALLY DOWN THERE. AND FOR THE FOLKS WALKING THEIR
DOGS IN THE MORNING AND THE EASTERNING. IT IS ALMOST--IN THE EVENING.
IT IS ALMOST ATKA PACIFY ALL THE--AT CAPACITY ALL THE TIME.
THE COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND YOU HAVE THE ASSETS THAT COULD HANDLE A
LOT OF PEOPLE AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE ARE SO ANAL ABOUT EVERY ADDING AN
EXTRA PARKING SPACE, WELL, SOME OF THE STUFF, YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES
AND GIVE ACCESS TO THIS BAAER BUT WE ARE SO AFRAID TO TAKE DOWN ONE
LITTLE THING WHEN YOU ARE DENYING PEOPLE A LOT OF USE AT WHAT A
POPULATION IS GROWING. AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IN SOME CASES, WE
NEED TO BITE THE BULLET AND SQUARE OFF THE PARKING AND MAKE IT BETTER.
BUT WE HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT WOULD NOT HURT THE ASSET VERY MUCH
TOED A SOME PARKING AND YET, THESE THINGS WERE BUILT AT A TIME WHEN THE
ASSET IS BIGGER THAN THE POPULATION CAN USE IT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT
PARK. AND IT IS BECOMING A BIG PROBLEM. WHAT HATCHED IS WE HAD--WHAT
HAPPENED IS WE HAD A FEW SPACES AND THINGS HAVE GROWN OVER AND NOW WE
ARE AFRAID TO TRIM NEGLIGENCE WELL, WE ARE DENYING PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO
USE SOME OF THE STUFF AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. AND JOSH IS RIGHT, WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT MAKING ANY CHANGE, OH, NO, YOU CANNOT LET ANYMORE SPACES.
WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS, REALLY TO THE POINT, I HAVE HEARD,
TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT SAY THE BEACH, STOP THE
ADVERTISING, JUST STOP IT ALL. OKAY AND IT WAS JUST FOR AN IMPORTANT OF
INFORMATION. BUT--A POINT OF INFORMATION. BUT THANK YOU. I THINK WE CAN
DO THE PARKING, IT IS APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.
YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
MOVE APPROVAL.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MR. WAGNER. ANY OTHER
DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR,
AYE. OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. 7-0. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE AGENDA.
WE ARE MOVING ON DOWN HERE TO MS. CUSACK, ITEM 37 IS JUST FOR YOU.
THERE IS-THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO
FOR THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA ADVERTISING
MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL
AUTHORITY.
OF LILIAN
A NOMINATION FOR LILY SHELLER FOR THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA ADVERTISING
AUTHORITY. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. THANK
YOU, MA'AM. AND DISTRICT ONE, THAT WOULD BE YOU, MR. PATTERSON.
APPOINTMENTED TO THE WEST VOLUSIA TOURISM ADVERTISING AUTHORITY?
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, AND THE APPOINTMENT THAT I MADE WAS WALKER,
WHO IS NOT IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY ANYMORE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO
HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE HERE.
YES, SIR, YOU DO.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE
HER FROM THE BOARD.
OKAY, THERE IS A MOTION TO REMOVE ALYSSA WALKER FROM THE WEST SIDE
VOLUSIA ADVERTISING AUTHORITY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SHE DOES NOT MEET
REQUIREMENTS.
AND SHE NEVER ATTENDED A MEETING.
SHE WAS FIRED OR LEFT OR? ING.
SHE IS NOT IN THE LODGING INDUSTRY
ANYMORE.
NO.
AND SHE MISSED ALL OF THE
MEETINGS. I NEED A SECOND ON THAT.
THANK YOU, I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT
MATTER? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE REMOVAL, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL
OPPOSED. SO CARRIED 7-0.
AND NOW I WANT
TO
MAKE A MOTION TO REPLACE HER
WITH RICHARD RAWLINGS.
OKAY, A NOMINATION BY DISTRICT ONE, MR. PATTERSON, FOR RICHARD RAWLINGS
TO THE WEST VOLUSIA TOURISM ADVERTISING AUTHORITY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY
AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. MR. ECKERT AND MR. HART GROVE, DOES THAT
LEAVE US AN OPENING NOW, STILL ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE WE REMOVED ONE
AND REPLACED ONE. OR WAS THIS-THIS WAS THE SUBSTITUTION.
OKAY. OKAY. SO ALL OF THE ADVERTISING
AUTHORITIES ARE FULL BOARD.
I BELIEVE SO, YES, SIR.
HALL LAY LU YEAH. --HALLELUIAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT, WE
DO HAVE, I KEEP SWITCHING THIS ANT. THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WAS BEFORE
AND NOW IT IS AFTER. WE KEEP SWITCHING IT AROUND.
I AM SORRYINGS IT IS MY FAULT, IT IS THE FORM THAT COMES UP AND I
FORGOT TO CHANGE IT. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE
CLOSE. ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION NOW?
WE
NO, SIR. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THAT SECTION. AND NOW TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL
MEMBERS. MS. DENYS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?
JUST ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT, I WENT TO A
COMMUNITY METEOROLOGIST INCOME SOUTH WATERFRONT PARK--COMMUNITY MEETING
IN SOUTH WATER FRONT PARK IN EDGEWATER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT
IS POZZABLE FOR SHORT--IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN
THEIR AREA. I PROMISED THEM I WOULD BRING IT UP.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT
REPORT. BUT THE--
YOU JUST OPENED? I AM IN.
BUT YOU CANNOT BRING IT BACK JUST FOR SOUTH
TO FIND A LARGER CLASSIFICATION.
WHY? COUNCIL HAS MADE ZONING
NOT? FOR DIFFERENT ISSUES?
EXCEPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT PARCELS
WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE AN EQUAL
PLACE IN THE COUNTY-LIKE THE BOAT
WATERFRONT PARK. WE HAVE
HAVE WE
PROTECTION ISSUE. JUST TO DO IT
ONE
RAMPS.
BOAT TRAILERS.
BOAT TRAILERS.
BECAUSE WE PUT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
I AM OPEN TO DO ALL OF BEACH SIDE. YOU JUST OPENED A HUGE CAN OF WORMS
BE I AM AM--WORMS BUT I AM IN. THEY ARE THE NICEST HOUSES IN MY AREA,
AND YOU CAN MAKE SURE TO FORCE THE BED TAX BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL ROGUE
AND UNDER GROUND AND IT IS HARD TO GET THE BED TAX. IF YOU APPROVE THIS
AND WHERE HAS HAD A PROCESS FOR IT, AS FAR AS REG STATION, WE WOULD
HAVE AN EASIER TIME COLLECTING THE BED TAX. THAT IS MY PERSONAL
OBSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. [ INAUDIBLE MULTIPLE SPEAKERS] THEY ARE ALL CALLING.
AND YOU SAID THAT YOU MADE A
I DID.
COMMITMENT TO BRING IT UP.
YOUR COMMITMENT WAS PROBABLY
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TAKEN CARE OF
WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT
UP. [
TECHNICALLY.
SO-OKAY. NO, NO MOTION. NO SECONDS.
ON THIS ONE.
I THINK MR. DANIELS WANTS TO WEIGH
IN
NO, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, JOSH WOULD HAVE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
I WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH PENINSULA ALL OVER ME,
IT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS IT IS NOT IN THE CARDS.
SO WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE?
NO.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE
I THICK
GREAT WORD, HOW ABOUT DEFINE?
--I THINK [ INAUDIBLE - MULTIPLE
SPEAKERS]
IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DEFINE AN AREA, BUT TO PUT IT IN WITH JUST
WITHIN ONE SUBDIVISION, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A
PROBLEM.
WHY?
AGAIN, YOU CANNOT, YOUR ZONING CODE IS NOT, THEY ENJOY, TO PUT IT JUST
IN ONE PART OF ONE CLASSIFICATION, I THINK IT IS NOT, IT WOULD NOT
STAND SCRUTINY, I THINK IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE PROTECTION.
OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO GETTING NO
CHAIR.
SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL, I AM DONE,
MR.
YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
YOU BROUGHT IT AND FULFILLED YOUR OBLIGATION AND YOU ACTUALLY GOT
COMMENT. AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET TO WEIGH IN ON IT BUT I THINK 25
YEARS AGO THERE WERE SOME SHORT TERM WREN DALLAS MAVERICKS AROUND HERE-RENTALS AROUND HERE, JUST RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARK THAT WE WERE JUST
TALKING ABOUT. BUT THEY TORE THEM DOWN AND PUT CONDOS THERE. SO, JUST
SAYING, THEY WERE HERE BEFORE.
THAT IS ALL, MR.
CHAIR, THANK YOU.
OKAY, MR. LOWERY.
JUST ONE REQUEST THAT THEY SUPPLY
PRETZELS SINCE HE ATE MINE.
THE CHAIR WITH TWO
CONTAINERS OF
WAIT, WAIT. I HAVE THE BLUE TOP. I CAME IN, I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE
AND I LOOK OVER THERE AND IN BETWEEN MR. DANIELS AND MR. LOWERY ARE
THREE CONTAINERS, THREE WITH RED TOPS AND ONE BLUE TOP.
OKAY, I WITHDRAW MY
REQUEST.
THANK YOU, REQUEST DENIED. I
HOUR. MR. PRESIDENTER SON?
HAVE NOT HAD ANY ALL DAY
UNTIL THE PAST
NO,--MR. PATTERSON?
NO, I WAS
THINKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS
BUT I DECIDED NOT TO.
YOU ARE MAKING DANIEL ECKERT OVER THERE LAUGH, WHICH IS KIND OF
INTERESTING. ALL RIGHT, MR. WAGNER, OTHER THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS,
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE WITH?
DEB BROUGHT UP TWO THINGS THAT WILL LIT CALORIE CAUSE WARS, THE PARKING
AND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. BOTH OF WHICH I SUPPORT SO IT IS OKAY.
JIM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FELLOW THAT CAME IN THIS MORNING ABOUT I
GUESS A STATE GRANT TYPE SYSTEM CALLED PACE.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND THERE
TO YOU. OKAY?
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. FINE
ARE ISSUES WITH IT. WE WILL GET
BACK
WITH ME.
IT WAS MR. PATTERSON'S. AND WE
WERE YOU HERE THIS MORNING? I
QUESTIONS.
WELL, IT IS MORE COMPLICATED
HAVE BEEN TRYING TO-WILL GIVE YOU THE
STUFF. HE HAD SOME GOOD
THAN THAT.
HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL THREE YEARS
AGO.
SO ARE YOU READY DO MOVE IT FORWARD?
WELL, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO
DISCOURAGE THAT FOR THREE YEARS.
NO, THEY HAVE BEEN IGNORING ME FOR THREE YEARS. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS.
WHEN DADDY NOT WANT TO--DADDY DOES NOT WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HE
DOES NOT.
BARBARA AT TPO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE SHE IS THE
CHAIR OF A GROUP THAT IS PROMOTING THE PACE PROGRAM. I HIKE THE PACE
PROGRAM BECAUSE IT CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE SAW THIS WITH
HOLLY HILL AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH ASSESSMENTS OR? ING AND
SEE, THIS COULD BE ON THEIR LEAN AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY. AND I DON'T
KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
THERE ARE SOME DOWNSIDES THAT COMPLICATE THAT. SO LET US TALK
OFFLINE. AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE BEEN DELAYING.
TO YOU
[ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I GUESS THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN VERY FAR WITH ME AND
ARE GOING TO MAKE THE ROUNDS NOW. WHICH ONE IS IT?
[ INAUDIBLE -
THEY
LOW VOLUME ]
WITH WHO? [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME
]
OH, YES, THEY CAME IN THIS MORNING. THEIR NAMES ARE ON THE RECORD WITH
THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND ADDRESSES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT THEM.
MR. WAGNER, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. MIKE ROY PHONE ON.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. --MICROPHONE
ON.
SORRY ABOUT THAT: IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH, THEY WENT
LAST NIGHT FOR THE ZONING AND THEY ARE LOOK GOING FORPARED--AND THEY
ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS.
THEY HAVE PUT IN A REQUEST WITH US AND THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR REQUEST
IS, AND I AM WORKING ON THIS, FOR US TO CONSIDER IT, IF THIS IS WAY
OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE DO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND MY ISSUE WAS THEY
HAVE GOT THE MAKE THE CASE ON WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT ON ANY OTHER MALL.
YOU OPEN THAT BOX, WHY ARE YOU PAYING EVERYONE, WALGREENS AN EVERYONE.
SO THE POINT IS, WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT
WE COULD NEVER GO DO THAT. --NEVER DO THAT. THEY HAVE MADE A CASE TO
ME, THEY THINK THEY HAVE A REASON WHY IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INTERNALLY IS WE HAVE ALL OF THE CRITERIA TO
FOLLOW. SO YOU DO NOT START PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE AND START PLAYING
FAVORITES. WE DO BELIEVE THAT WHILE THIS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT GO AFTER
RETAIL JOBS, WHAT MY STAFF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS SO
DIFFERENT, THAT IT ACTUALLY MAY LEND ITSELF TO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY,
IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE IT MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE, CERTAIN JOBS AND
CERTAIN ASSETS THAT YOU WOULD NOT GET, YOU ARE NOT TRADING THEM OFF,
YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT BE PAYING PEOPLE TO BRING IT OVER HERE. SO WE ARE
LOOKING AT THAT, I HAVE TALK TODAY THEM ABOUT THIS, AND--I HAVE TALKED
TO THEM AND I AM TRYING TO SEE IF THERE A CATEGORY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
IN OUR GROUP THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM UNDER SO THAT YOU DO NOT SET A
PRESS DENT THAT YOU DO--A PRECEDENT THAT YOU CANNOT LINCOLNTON WITH.
THEY CAN DO TAX ABATEMENT AND WE CANNOT. SO WHAT I HAVE TOLD THEM, I
FELT COMFORTABLE THAT UNLESS THE COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR THEIR
REQUEST FORMALLY, THAT I WAS PLANNING ON TRYING TO TALK TO YOU AND SEE
IF I COULD FIGURE OUT THE CATEGORY AND SO YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION. I
WAS LOOKING AT, WELL, PROBABLY THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE.
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IF THE POLICY MAKES SENSE THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE CERTAIN THINGS AND IT
HAS TO BE BUSINESSES THAT WERE NOT IN THE COUNTY BEFORE. I'M WORKING ON
SOMETHING AND I THINK WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FOUND IN FOR US IT WAS
A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND THE THINGS THEY SHOW US AND THEY ARE NOT
TARGETED INDUSTRY . SO OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD CHECK OFF
THE BLOCK THEM THAT THEY DON'T MEET. BUT THEY ARE MAKING THE ARGUMENT
AND WE ARE NOT JUST A REGULAR MALL. I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IT DICK I DO
BELIEVE NOW WE -- I WOULD RATHER YOU CONSIDER IT IN RELATION TO POLICY
THAT YOU CAN DEFEND AND WITH.
I APPRECIATE THAT AND I LIKE HAVING POLICIES. IF THEY REALLY GOING TO
GENERATE $51 MILLION IN PROPERTY TECH IT'S -- PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE
COUNTY --- WHEN YOU START TALKING NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THE
PAVILION? YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM AND ALL THE ECONOMIC ABOUT THINGS
THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO WITH THE TARGET -- THEY HAVE TO MAKE A WAGE OR AN
INDUSTRY WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK THEIR ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE THAT IT
IS A DESTINATION AND IT IS TRANSFORMATIVE . AND THAT THEY MAY HAVE , FOR
EXAMPLE, THEY MAY HAVE RETAILS THAT YOU WON'T GET ANY WHERE ELSE
YOU ARE NOT TRADING THEM WITH ANYONE ELSE. IF GRADED SOMETHING THAT IS
TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THE DESTINATION THAT WOULD AFFECT TOURISM. IF THAT
TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE, IF ANOTHER ONE OF THESE COMES ALONG, FINE,
YOU SAID YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT. I THINK ON ITS FACE VALUE
OF RETAIL WITHOUT ME OF A STRATEGY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DON'T TURN
DOWN EVERYBODY. SO I TOLD THEM THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE AND BASED ON
WHAT I'M NOW WORKING ON THEY SEEM SATISFIED. TALK TO JOHN OPERATE THE
OTHER DAY .
OKAY. THANK YOU.
MR. DANIELS, YOU WANTED TO WEIGH
IN ON THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT?
YES. ONE THING IS THAT THIS WOULD PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE I-95
LPGA INTERSECTION AND WHAT WE OF GOD IS WE'VE GOT ALL THESE
INTERSECTIONS WITH INTERSTATES -- ALL THAT WE HAVE GOT IS INTERSECTIONS
WITH HIM TO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THEY DON'T HAVE ON THEM. THAT WOULD
PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING AND YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT A
LITTLE BIT BEFORE. YOU KNOW THE CONSOLIDATED
-- REDEVELOPMENT IS HARD. DEVELOPMENT OF OPEN LAND IS A WHOLE LOT
EASIER . ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE AND CONSOLIDATE TO MOCHA TO
DO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, THE TYPE THAT
JOHN ALBRIGHT IN PARTICULAR HAS SHOWN HE IS CAPABLE OF, WOULD BENEFIT
ALL OF US BECAUSE THEIR TAX BASE WOULD GO UP AND OUR TAX BASE WOULD GO
UP . THEY ARE A GOOD BET . SOME DEVELOPERS COME IN AND YOU THINK I DON'T
THINK SO PERIOD BUT THAT'S NOT ALBRIGHT. HE IS ON TOP OF THINGS . HE'S
GOT A PLAN LARGER THAN JUST THIS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL. HERE IS THE ISSUE. IF
YOU ATTRACT SAM'S CLUB THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD INCENTIVIZE
BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE JOBS . YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. WHAT I'M
SAYING IS HERE IS THE OTHER THING I AM DEALING WITH. I'M GOING TO HAVE
A REALLY LONG PROBABLY THAT YOU ARE MOST A HALF-DAY MANY BUDGET ON THE
-- ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M BEING ASKED FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT TO
WRITE DOWN AND PUT OUT MONEY AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU SPEND
AND WHAT -- AND WE SPEND A LOT WHEN YOU ADD UP SERIES. THERE IS NO
MONEY SOURCE EXCEPT THAT I ASK YOU FOR THAT FUNDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I PAY ALL OF THE COSTS FOR ENTERPRISE -- ENTERPRISE FLORIDA. KNOWN ELSE
WANTS TO DO THAT I WANTED THING IS I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AT ALL
BUT I WILL GIVE YOU PERFECT EXAMPLE. I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE , WE INVESTED
$1.69 AND TRADER JOE'S. WE GOT OTHER MONEY FROM THE STATE BECAUSE WE
PARLAYED . THE CITY CAME UP WITH 1.6. YOU KNOW HOW I GOT TO 1.6? THAT
WAS EVERY DIME I HAD. IT WAS JUST ENOUGH WITH THERE 1.6 TOGETHER SO THEY
HAVE TO GO INSIDE. NOW I WOULD ARGUE THAT SEE THAT INDUSTRY FIT WHAT WE
WERE LOOKING FOR WITH UTI AND THEY HAD SOME OTHER THINGS. THEN YOU SEE
WHO THEY START TO ATTRACT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS I FIND IT INTERESTING
TODAY THAT WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THAT THERE WERE SOME NAYSAYERS ABOUT WHY
ARE YOU GIVING MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE. ALL I HEAR NOW WAS WHY DIDN'T WE
DO THIS MORE OFTEN. I AM ALL FOR IT. IN FACT THIS WAS SO GOOD THAT
NOBODY THINKS YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. IT WAS SO GOOD THAT NOBODY
THINKS YOU DID IT. SOMEBODY ELSE MUST'VE DONE IT PERIOD BUT THE POINT IS
THAT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE. WE ONLY GOT THAT
INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE HELPED WRITE DOWN THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU WHAT I NEED IS YOUR HELP TO DECIDE WHAT AM I
GOING TO FUND THIS IT TO WHAT LEVEL AND OF GOT TO WATCH THE EXPECTATION
WE CREATE . ONE THING I HAVE TO DEPEND ON AS I HAVE A POLICY TO FOLLOW
SO THAT I CAN TELL THE REGULAR MALL OR WALGREENS THAT WE DON'T DO RETAIL
WE DON'T DO RESIDENTIAL EITHER. WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE YOU ARE
REALLY BIG -- REALLY PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE HIGH-END JOBS.
WHY DON'T WE SET STANDARDS LIKE
WE DID TODAY.
YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM NOW. THIS HOLE TRANSFORMATIONAL THING I'M
TALKING ABOUT YOU WOULD BE SETTING A NEW STANDARD. LIKE DOUG SAID MAYBE
ONE OF THOSE FACTORS IS DOES IT ENERGIZE A SPECIFIC PLACE WHERE WE WANT
TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE AN INTERCHANGE? I DO THINK -- I AM
AGREEING WITH YOU BUT I THINK WE NEED A POLICY AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
WE USE OUR MONEY WISELY BUT THE OTHER THING IS, GUYS, I NEED MONEY.
AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. IT DOESN'T HELP US IF I DON'T HAVE MONEY
SET ASIDE AND I HAVE TO COME AND ASK YOU. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IF I ASK
YOU, IT WILL KILL THE DEAL BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO IT PUBLICLY. LIKE
TRADER JOE'S I WAS SWORN TO SECRECY BUT I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE 1.6
AND THE TREASURY SO I KNEW I HAD THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. I THINK YOU HAVE
ENOUGH FAITH IN ME AND I THINK I KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH THAT I KNEW YOU
WOULD AGREE WITH THAT INVESTMENT THAT BUT I DID NOT HAVE TO ASK GO
AHEAD AND START THE DEAL. IF I DID NOT HAVE MONEY IN THE THE COUNT I
WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY I NEED 1,000,006. YOU'RE NOT BEEN
APPROVE 1,000,006 BUT LET'S JUST GIVE JIM A MILLION SIX . HOW DO YOU
WANT IT? IN 20S? UNMARKED? [ LAUGHTER ]. THE POINT IS I REALLY NEED TO
KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE HAVE AND IF YOU CAN MOVE SOME MONEY THERE
WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET IT FROM BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE DEALS, AS YOU
KNOW OUR PRIVATE. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT PRIVACY WHEN THEY ARE
MAKING THE DEAL.
JIM WHEN IT GETS TO BE MY TURN I'M GOING TO LIGHT A CANDLE
RATHER THAN ENCOURAGE THE DARKNESS.
OKAY. THANKS. I APPRECIATE THAT THAT. [ LAUGHTER ]
-- CANDLE
THAT WAS REALLY FUNNY. I THINK THE SITUATION FOR ME AND DOUG BROUGHT
IT OUT. JOHN ALBRIGHT KEEPS DELIVERING .
HE DOES.
YOU ARE BIDDING ON A PERSON AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PROJECT
THIS PERSON KEEPS DELIVERING THESE PROJECTS .
BECAUSE
AND HE'S IN POSITION TO DO IT .
IF WE'RE GOING TO GET BEHIND
STUFF --
HE'S A PROVEN COMMODITY . I WAS TALKING TO HIM A WHILE BACK AND I SAID
HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS
AND LET ME TALK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THINK DEFINITELY KEEP HIM ON
THE TABLE AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP HIS AREA, THAT HE IS WORKING ON,
WHAT CAN WE DO AS A GOVERNMENT TO FACILITATE THAT GROWTH.
WILL LOOK AT THIS NEW POLICY . THIS NEW THING I'M COMING UP WITH
YOU SOME LATITUDE. IS IT AND ADDED INTERCHANGE.
IT WAS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE
GIVES
INTERCHANGE.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR INTERCHANGES , WE HAVE NOTHING . BEFORE I-95 WE
HAVE NOTHING. WE HAVE NO INFRASTRUCTURE NOTHING . AND YOU CAN RIDE FROM
HERE TO NEW JERSEY AND WON'T FIND BLANK INTERCHANGES ON I-95 UNTIL
VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THEN YOU COULD RIDE TALK TO MARTIN COMING.
WE WILL CONSIDER THEM OPPORTUNITY
AREAS .
YES, GO AHEAD.
MISCUES THAT, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?
NO, MR. CHAIR I HAVE NOTHING.
MR. DANIELS, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN ?
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING A CANDLE AND A PERSON OF DARKNESS
THE TRANSPORTATION ROUNDTABLE COMMITTEE -- WE HAVE KIND OF GOTTEN TO
THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE GOTTEN A LIST OF PROJECTS FROM THE CITIES. YOU
KNOW -- WE HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN EVALUATING ANYTHING. WE ARE TO THE POINT
NOW WHERE WE JUST NEED
TO TURN IT OVER TO SOMEBODY WHO IS EXPERTISE TO PUT SOMETHING
TOGETHER . REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THE LOCAL OPTIONS SALES TAX.
IS THE COUNCIL REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT? MR. WAGNER INTRODUCE THE IDEA
AND I THINK IT'S A HELL OF A GOOD ONE. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
OUGHT TO CONSIDER DOING . REALLY WE NEED SOMEBODY TO PUT TOGETHER, TO
PULL THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT . WE HAVE THE ALL -- WE HAVE ALL THE INTERCHANGES ON I 94
AND I-95, WITH OUT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WE COULD PUT SOME THERE. WE'VE GOT
AN AIRPORT WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE , NO ROADS IN. [ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW
AUDIO ]
DELTONA IS A MESS . THEY COULD USE THE MONEY OVER THERE TO STRAIGHTEN
OUT SOME OF THOSE ROADS AND CREATE A COMMERCIAL AREA. MAY BE IT'S NOT
ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO BUT IT COULD START ROLLING
THE BALL AND GET THINGS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BUT PARTICULARLY
IN DAYTONA AND DELTONA THE TWO LARGEST CITIES ON INTERCHANGES AND THAT
KIND OF THING. [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] I COULD NOT HAVE EDGEWATER MORE ON
MY MIND. [ LAUGHTER ] OAK HILL. I COULD NOT HAVE OAK HILL MORE ON MY
MIND PICKED THAT TYPE OF THING PLUS VOTE AND GET IT OFF THE GENERAL
FUND. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SOME REAL BUT AT LEAST
BE PREPARED FOR THAT. IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN IT I THINK IT'S
TIME WE GET THE EXPERTISE TO BEGIN TO PULL TOGETHER AND MAKE IT INTO
SOMETHING THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD AS YOU GET SOME
EXPERTISE TO PUT TOGETHER AND YOU COME UP WITH A PACKAGE AND YOU GOT
YOURSELF A CITIZEN COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY
MOVE FORWARD AND CAN EVALUATE THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND MAKE SOME
SORT OF SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO TWEAK HERE OR THERE. SOMEBODY
FROM CONSOLIDATED . SOMEBODY FROM FORD FAMILY SOMETHING LIKE THAT THE
KIND OF HAVE STAKE IN THINGS . COME UP WITH A PLAN AND A PACKAGE THAT YOU
CAN TAKE PEOPLE AND SAY IF YOU DO THIS THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET. NOT
THE QUITE -- NOT THE GREAT THING THE SEMINAL COUNTY DID. LOCAL OPTION
SALES TAX MADE SEMINAL COUNTY ONE OF THE RICHEST IN FLORIDA BUT FOR
GINA BELLUCCI'S PROPERTY I KNOW IT'S A LOT EASIER BUT IT WOULD BE
SOMETHING IN THAT VEIN AND IF WE LOOK AT IT IN THAT VEIN AND IN THAT WAY
THEN IF WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE AND INSTANCES LIKE THIS OR INSTANCES
LIKE ONE DAYTONA WE HAVE AN INSTANCE OR SOURCE THAT WE COULD GO TO. I
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED. BECAUSE WE'VE
TAKEN IT ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN TAKE IT. THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE FOR US
TO DO. WHEN IT GOES ON THE BALLOT IS A FUNCTION OF WHEN THE PROGRAM GETS
PUT TOGETHER .
MR. WAGNER HAD HIS [ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW AUDIO
BE QUICK.
]. WAS THAT ON PURPOSE?
I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING IT FORWARD. IRONY HAVE BUSINESSES THAT
ARE READY TO PUT TOGETHER A PACK AND GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT . WHEN
IT COMES TO THE ELECTION THERE ARE POLITICAL THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT
LATER ON IN THE IDEA OF A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION. THINGS WE CAN DO TO
GET IT TO SELL. WE DON'T HAVE DEBT THAT DISCUSSION YET I THINK THERE
ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GIVE IT A REALLY GOOD CHANCE TO PASS. ONE
INITIATIVE THAT DOUGLAS TALKING ABOUT SINGLE-HANDEDLY WILL BE THE
LARGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS COMMUNITY WILL EVER MAKE. SINGLEHANDEDLY. IT WILL CHANGE VOLUSIA COUNTY . YOU CAN'T AT THIS KIND OF
MONEY FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS FOR THIS. THERE IS A REASON THE WAY
VOLUSIA COUNTY IS THE WAY IT IS. THE BEST PART ABOUT IT, 40% OF THE
MONEY ARE FROM TOURISTS. 40%. EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND
THE PAIN THAT THESE BUSINESSES TAKE , NOW GRANTED THERE IS A SALES TAX
SO SOME PEOPLE TAKE A BIG HIT BUT HE SUPPORTS IT BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES
WHAT IT WILL DO. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING A LOT OF STUFF BUT THE
PEOPLE THAT IT WILL HELP ENGINEERS, THE ROAD COMPANIES. A LOT OF THEM
ARE IN ITS FIRES POLITICALLY HELPING GET THE MESSAGE OUT. I THINK IT'S A
GREAT MOVE AND SOMETHING OF A LEGACY AS A COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY
IT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING WE CAN DO TO MOVE THIS COMMUNITY FORWARD.
MR. PATTERSON?
[ INDISCERNIBLE-LOW AUDIO ]
NO. DUCK, IS THIS JUST THE ROOT TRANSPORTATION RUN HAS
BIG GROUP FOR THEM TO SIGN ON TO IT?
IT GONE TO THE
THE TRANSPORTATION ROUNDTABLE IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION THAT VOTES IN
TAKES POSITIONS THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE ISSUE
PICKED THE VARIOUS CITIES HAVE COME UP WITH THERE PACKAGES AND THIS IS
WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TO GET THE PACKAGES FROM THE VARIOUS CITIES
AND TO HAVE BOTH RAN -- RTL URAL ROADS AND SON REAL COME OFF THE TOP AND
DIVIDE UP THE REST BUT RESISTED COMING UP WITH ANY SORT OF FORMULA FOR
IT IS BASED UPON BANG FOR BUCK. WHERE THE ARTERIAL ROADS GO MAY AFFECT
DRASTICALLY WHERE A CITY WANTS TO DO. IT MAY COMPLETELY RESHAPE WHAT
WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THEM TO DO. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS TALKED
ABOUT THAT IS EXTREMELY POPULAR IS BIKE TRAILS PICKING UP BIKE TRAILS
THAT ACTUALLY GO SOMEPLACE SO THAT A STUDENT CAN GET ON THE BIKE TRAIL
AND GO SOMEWHERE AND GET OUT TO THE SPRINGS WERE GET OVER TO DAYTONA
BEACH . THAT KIND OF THING . OTHER PLACES HAVE REALLY INVESTED HEAVILY IN
THEM BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT
YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. I SAID BEFORE
THERE THEY'VE GOT THIS BRIDGE DEDICATED TO BIKE TRAILS FROM CLEARWATER
TO ST. PETERSBURG .
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THIS IS THE SUBGROUP OF THE BIG
IS THE BIG GROUP ON BOARD WITH THIS?
GROUP, RIGHT?
SURE. ABSOLUTELY .
THAT WAS MY POINT .
THERE ON BOARD. WE DON'T TAKE VOTES ON ANYTHING. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE
DOING . IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM, LET US KNOW. NOBODY HAS RAISE THEIR
HAND AND SAID THEY HAD A PROBLEM AND MOST ALL OF THE LARGE CITIES HAVE
PROPOSALS. WORMAN, DELTONA, LAND, ALL OF THEM HAVE SENT US SOMETHING
WHICH IS A SHOW OF SUPPORT THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED . THAT'S IT.
BUT -- LET ME FINISH UP. MR. DINEEN? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS DONE?
WE DO NEED PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE .
YOU EITHER NEED ONE OR TWO CONSULTANTS. I COULD ARGUE FOR SOMEONE
LOCALLY THAT WOULD HELP THE CITIES, ALL OF US COME UP WITH A
COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE BARTERED BETWEEN US THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE
SENSETHAT THE OTHER THING IS I THINK YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO HAS THE
EXPERTISE THAT KNOWS HOW TO RUN THIS CAMPAIGN AND SOMEBODY THAT'S DONE
IT. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST -- MAYBE I COULD DO THIS THROUGH THE MANAGERS
TO FINE OUT THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS . WHAT I
WOULD SIT JUST IS WE PUT THE CHALLENGE OUT AND WE SAY TELL YOU WHAT, WE
WILL PAY HALF IF THEY COME UP WITH THE OTHER HALF. BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO
IT, WE WILL NOT BE DICTATING. BECAUSE WE EXPECT SON REAL AND [
INDISCERNIBLE ] OVER THE TOP. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY IF THEY ARE NOT
WILLING TO PLAY -- TO PAY SOME OF THE COST , IF THEY DIVIDED UP BETWEEN
16 IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH MUCH. WE CAN START DOWN THAT PATH BUT I DO
THINK WE NEED OUTSIDE EXPERTISE . I THINK WE MIGHT TO AND YOU MIGHT WANT
TO START THAT OFF AT THE MANAGERS BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY
START THAT DISCUSSION .
THE PLACE TO
I CAN START THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO -- IT'S GOT TO BE
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO AGREE ON AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING
.
WORK SOMETHING OUT.
IF I'M OKAY IF WE PUT UP HALF THE MONEY THAT
ATTENTION.
WILL CATCH PEOPLE'S
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY WITH THAT .
THAT OKAY WITH ME TO START THAT
DISCUSSION?
I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK
BASED ON THE BRIDGE AS FAR AS PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED -- MEHRAN GABBY WAS
AWESOME.
HANDLING A VERY CONTENTIOUS GROUP, SHE WAS GREAT. THE SECOND PART IS
THE START IS PARTNERING WITH THE CITIES I BELIEVE THE CITIES WILL BE A
PARTNER WITH MY ONLY CONCERN IS THIS ISSUE WILL COME DOWN TO US DECIDING
TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. I WANT THEIR INPUT. THE IDEA CAME FROM ME
MEETING WITH THREE OF THE WEST SIDE MIRRORS AND I JUST BROUGHT IT UP .
IT TO WE DID STUFF THAT SOME LIKE THEM DIDN'T. IF WE ASK FOR HALF THE
MONEY AND I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO TAKE THE
INITIATIVE OURSELVES OR ASK FOR SOME PRIVATE MONEY TO FUND SOME OF IT.
IF WERE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING WE MIGHT AS WELL AS FOR HALF BUT
IN A SENSE FOR DRIVING IT -- I AM OPEN FOR. THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR
THEM HAVING SKIN IN THE GAME BUT I AM WITH MR. WAGNER. I JUST WANT TO
GET IT DONE AND I DON'T CARE WHOSE CANDIDATES .
WHAT DO YOU THINK PICASSO BE?
NO REASON I SAID THAT IS I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL . HERE'S
THE POINT. THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THEY HAVE OWNERSHIP SO WE ARE NOT THE
ONLY ONE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO . THEY ARE GOING TO TELL THEM HE DOES
WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS HIM TO DO. ONCE AGAIN THE COUNTY DICTATE .
YOU ARE RIGHT. WE WILL LEAVE
IT WITH YOU.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT. I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE .
I THINK WOULD BE THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING WE EVER DID.
DOUG, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THAT UP .
ARE YOU NOW REALLY FINISHED?
WE COULD REVISIT THE BEACH ISSUE ISSUE.
NO. [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S ME. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS
QUESTIONS. GREAT MEETING TODAY AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR
SUPPORT AND HELP AND WILL MOVE ON AND GET OUR THINGS DONE.
PIECE OF PAPER IN YOUR HAND, AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO PIECES OF
OR
ALL YOUR
YOU HAVE A
PAPER.
YOU SHOULD GET REALLY NERVOUS .
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THE PERSON CAME IN AND QUESTIONED THE FIRE
FUND, AND TAMMY PUT TOGETHER THE CHART AND WE WILL SEND IT TO THAT
INDIVIDUAL. CLEARLY I SAID WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT I CAN PROVE THAT WE
ARE NOT READING THE FIRE FUND FOR YOU BACK. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS
PERSON GETS THIS INFORMATION AND SHE'S ALSO GOING TO TELL THIS PERSON
AND IF NEED BE THEY CAN VERIFY THROUGH OUR AUDITORS. WE DID NOT -- THE
FIRE FUND IS NOT SUBSIDIZING YOU BACK.
WOULD YOU FOR THAT TO COUNSEL ?
WILL DO. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THE CONSUL GAVE ME TO TIE TO PUT
TOGETHER THE DEAL BEHIND THE SCENES
IN THE TERMS OF DEVELOPERS. APPRECIATE THE SPORT IN THE GUIDANCE.
IT WAS INTERESTING. EVERYONE HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO A
CERTAIN DEGREE ATTEND COME TOGETHER ON THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVE ME
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND ME TO MAKE IT WORK. THANK YOU. AND WHAT YOU
DID TODAY AND HE WAS TRANSFORMABLE IN ITS OWN WAY .
MY COMMENT IS MORE MUNDANE .
YOU'VE HEARD DISCUSSION TODAY EARLIER
ABOUT THE FLUID STATUS OF THE DJ J ISSUE . ON THE 22ND OF APRIL THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE ENTERED A RULE AND ORDER WHICH INVALIDATED
RULES THAT DJ J HAD PROPOSED . IF YOU READ THE ORDER AND IN REVIEWING
THE ORDER THERE'S PARTS OF IT WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF DJ J WORK TO ADOPT
A RULE -- WERE TO ADOPT A RULE LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE CONSTITUENT -CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE. I THINK THE TIME TO APPEAL THAT WOULD BE
LET ME 22ND . I'VE ASKED -- BY ME 22ND AND I'VE ASKED COUNSEL
-- BY THE 22ND OF MAY AND I'VE ASKED COUNSEL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO ADOPT A RULE AND WE MAY
BE CLOSED FROM ARGUING THOSE ISSUES. IN THE MEANTIME WE CONTINUE TO
CHALLENGE THE MONTHLY BILLS THAT WE RECEIVE . PROCEDURALLY WE NEED TO DO
SO TO PRESERVE OUR POSITION GIVEN WHAT THE LEGISLATION MAY BE DOING , I
WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE MOST LIKELY WILL BE APPEALING THAT ORDER .
THAT'S ALL.
THAT'S NOT MUNDANE. MONEY. THAT'S
IMPORTANT.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO THEN OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE 21ST, IS THAT? ,
MR. GORMAN? I'M JUST GETTING 14 TO SEVEN .
MY PARTNER HERE SINCE YES.
MATT?
MY PARTNER HERE SINCE YES.
WE WILL BE -- WILL BE AN ADJOURNMENT UNTIL THE 21ST AND WE WILL SEE
YOU A 30-AMP FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. [ EVENT CONCLUDED ]