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FRIDAY, 20 SEPTEMBER 2002
____
PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
____
The Council met at 09:30.
The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to
observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
ANNOUNCEMENTS,
TABLINGS
AND
COMMITTEE
REPORTS
-
see
col
000.
HONOURING FANUS RAUTENBACH
(Draft Resolution)
Mr A E VAN NIEKERK: Voorsitter, ek stel sonder kennisgewing
voor:
Dat die Raad -
(1) kennis neem -
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(a) daarvan dat Fanus Rautenbach op 23 September 2002
'n
toekenning
uitbouing
FELAG
vir
van
die
(Forum
sy
unieke
Afrikaanse
vir
bydrae
taal
Erkenning
Afrikaanssprekende
tot
die
ontvang
van
van
Geeste)
Lewende
tydens
'n
glansgeleentheid in Pretoria;
(b) dat hy ook later vanjaar op 23 November 2002 'n
LAUREAAT-toekenning
Universiteit
van
van
sy
Pretoria,
alma
mater,
ontvang
die
vir
sy
besondere bydrae tot die Afrikaanse radiowese oor
die afgelope 40 jaar;
(c) dat hy in sy twintigerjare by die destydse SAUK
aangesluit
het
as
omroeper
verantwoordelik
vir
die uiters gewilde ontbytprogram Flink Uit Die
Vere, wat met die hoogste luistertalle ooit spog
en
ook
'n
gewilde
middagprogram
Vra
vir
Fanus
gehanteer het;
(d) dat
hy
later
aangesluit
het
by
waar
die
hy
Oepse-Daisy gehanteer het;
streeksradio
die
Jakaranda
vroegoggendprogram
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(e) dat hy ook gehelp het met die loodsing van die
streekradiostasies
Stereo
waar
hy
Oos-Rand
weer
eens
Stereo
en
Suid-Kaap
reuseluistertalle
en
advertensiewaarde vir die stasies trek;
(f) dat
hy
dramas
ook
verskeie
geskryf
en
radiovervolgverhale
geregisseer
het
en
waarvan
die
skepping van die held Staal Burger die bekendste
was;
(g) dat
saam
met
Leon
Schuster
hy
ook
die
humorprogram Koukus op Radio Suid-Afrika geskep
het;
(h) dat
hy
vir
sy
hoorbeeld
oor
die
Down-sindroom
kinders Hemelkinders, 'n Artes-toekenning ontvang
het;
(i) dat
hy
Rapport
rubrieke
en
Die
vir
Burger
die
Transvaler,
asook
vele
Beeld,
humorboeke
geskryf het;
(j) dat
hy
hierin
deur
sy
skrywer-omroeper
Douwlina Grobler, sterk ondersteun word; en
vrou,
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(k) dat hy oor die jare ook spesiale toekennings van
die
FAK
en
ATKV
ontvang
het
vir
sy
taal-
en
radiobydraes; en
(2) die Afrikaanse gemeenskap, humor en Fanus Rautenbach
'n lang lewe toewens.
(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows)
[Mr A E VAN NIEKERK:
Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that -
(a) on
23
September
2002
Fanus
Rautenbach
will
receive an award from FELAG (Forum vir Erkenning
van
Lewende
unique
Afrikaanssprekende
contribution
Afrikaans
language
to
at
the
a
Geeste)
for
his
promotion
of
the
glamorous
event
in
Pretoria;
(b) later this year, on 23 November, he will receive
a
laureate
University
award
of
from
Pretoria,
his
for
alma
his
mater,
the
exceptional
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contribution to Afrikaans radio broadcasting over
the past 40 years;
(c) he,in his twenties, joined the former SABC where,
as a radio announcer, he was responsible for the
very popular breakfast programme
Vere,
which
boasts
the
Flink Uit Die
highest
number
of
listeners ever, and he was also in charge of the
popular afternoon programme Vra Vir Fanus;
(d) he
later
station,
joined
the
where
he
regional
hosted
Jakaranda
the
early
radio
morning
programme Oepse-Daisy;
(e) he
also
assisted
radio
stations
Stereo
where
numbers
of
with
launching
Oos-Rand
he
once
listeners
Stereo
again
and
the
and
regional
Suid-Kaap
attracted
massive
large
promotional
value for the stations;
(f) he also wrote and directed various radio serials
and dramas, of which the creation of the hero
Staal Burger was the most well-known;
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(g) together with Leon Schuster, he also created the
comedy programme Koukus on Radio Suid-Afrika;
(h) he
received
programme
an
Artes
on
award
Down's
for
his
syndrome
feature
children
Hemelkinders;
(i) he
wrote
columns
for
Die
Transvaler,
Beeld,
Rapport and Die Burger as well as many humorous
books;
(j) in this he was strongly supported by his writerbroadcaster wife, Douwlina Grobler; and
(k) throughout
the
years
he
also
received
special
awards from the FAK and the ATKV for his language
and radio contributions; and
(2) wishes
the
Afrikaans
community,
humour
and
Fanus
Rautenbach a long life!]
Motion
agreed
to
in
accordance
with
section
Constitution.
AGRICULTURE AND THE MEDIA
65
of
the
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(Draft Resolution)
Dr
E
A
CONROY:
Voorsitter,
ek
stel
sonder
kennisgewing
voor:
Dat die Raad -
(1) kennis neem van die stellings, soos gerapporteer in
die Landbouweekblad van 20 September 2002, deur Mary
Metcalfe,
Gautengse
Omgewing
en
LUK
Grondsake
vir
dat
Landbou,
van
Bewaring,
die
beste
arbeidspraktyke in die landbou aangetref word, hoewel
daar steeds 'n siening is dat dit nie die geval is
nie - hierdie ongunstige houding moet verander word;
(2) ook daarvan kennis neem dat die persepsie bestaan dat
die media enkele voorvalle uitsonder en wanindrukke
skep waardeur boere gestereotipeer word;
(3) van mening is dat dit die landbou sal bevoordeel om
meer simpatiek te wees teenoor kwessies soos vakbonde
waardeur mense bemagtig kan word;
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(4) groot waardering vir die landbou in Gauteng het en
vir
die
goeie
verhouding
wat
tussen
die
LUR
se
departement en Agri-Gauteng heers en graag wil sien
dat dié verhouding verder versterk word aangesien dié
sektor
se
betrokkenheid
by
beplanning
rondom
stedelike gebiede noodsaaklik is; en
(5) van mening is dat die landbou 'n spesifieke rol te
speel
het
in
die
enorme
uitdaging
wat
stedelike
indringing in landbougebiede meebring.
(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Dr E A CONROY: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes
the
statements,
as
reported
in
the
Landbouweekblad dated 20 September 2002, by Ms Mary
Metcalfe,
Gauteng's
Conservation,
MEC
Environmental
for
and
Land
Agriculture,
Affairs,
that
some of the best labour practices can be found in
agriculture,
that
this
although
is
not
there
the
attitude should change;
is
case
still
-
this
a
perception
unfavourable
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(2) also notes that the perception exists that the media
isolates certain incidents and thus creates erroneous
impressions through which farmers are stereotyped;
(3) is of the opinion that it would benefit agriculture
to be more sympathetic towards matters such as trade
unions through which people could be empowered;
(4) has great appreciation for agriculture in Gauteng and
for
the
good
relationship
that
exists
between
the
MEC's department and Agri-Gauteng and would like to
see this relationship strengthened further as this
sector's involvement in planning around urban areas
is essential; and
(5) is of the opinion that agriculture has a specific
role to play in the enormous challenge posed by urban
encroachment on agricultural areas.]
Motion
agreed
to
in
accordance
with
section
Constitution.
INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PEACE
65
of
the
20 September 2002
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(Draft Resolution)
Rev M CHABAKU: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) recognises that Saturday, 21 September 2002, is set
aside as the International Day of Peace;
(2) notes that all over the world countries without peace
are
fertile
grounds
for
fights,
violence
and
mass
destruction of life and property;
(3) condemns the recent events of a coup d'état of the
Government of the Côte d'Ivoire - we should stop the
outdated
notion
that
the
gun
and
killings
solve
problems; and
(4) therefore appeals to all its honourable members to
pray for peace, to plant seeds of peace in their
hearts
and
sincerely
globally.
The World seeks peace!
spread
peace
locally
and
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Motion
agreed
to
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in
accordance
with
section
65
of
the
Constitution.
ESCAPE FROM CAPE HIGH COURT CELLS
(Draft Resolution)
Kgoshi M L MOKOENA: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes
with
shock
and
disbelief
the
escape
by
3
prisoners from the holding cells in the Cape High
Court yesterday;
(2) further notes that the same thing happened last year,
whereby one of the 3 prisoners escaped from the same
holding cells;
(3) calls upon the Provincial Commissioner to thoroughly
investigate and identify those unwanted elements in
our
police
force
prisoners to escape;
who
might
have
assisted
these
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(4) welcomes the announcement by the MEC for Safety and
Security in the Western Cape that the police officers
who were on duty in the High Court will be replaced
by other officers; and
(5) reaffirms
our
commitment
to
root
out
corrupt
officials in our system.
Motion
agreed
to
in
accordance
with
section
65
of
the
Constitution.
CELEBRATING OUR HERITAGE, WITH REFERENCE TO THE REGIONAL
DIMENSTON, TO INFORM OUR NATIONAL AND AFRICAN IDENTITY
(Subject for Discussion)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Madam Chairperson, it is a
distinctive privilege and honour to be standing here today
in
a
country
that
can
celebrate
a
heritage
which
is
somewhat unique, distinctive, interesting and complex.
In doing so, it is important that we understand that South
Africa, in terms of its heritage, has been empirically and
scientifically referred to as the cradle of humankind, with
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a history that pre-dates 3,5 million years, and that the
site at which the fossils of humankind were found has been
declared a World Heritage Site.
It is also interesting that the oldest remains of modern
humans were found in Klasies River in the Eastern Cape;
quite unique, quite distinctive and quite interesting. The
adage
or
derived
expression
from
South
of
"Women
Africa
and
and
a
children
place
called
first"
is
Hermanus,
where a shipwreck took place. It is also interesting that
South Africa is the first country to celebrate its living
heritage through the communication of our oral history as
it occurs in Dukuza, formerly known as Stanger in KwaZuluNatal.
Given this prehistory and this heritage that we have, it is
important to note that not very far from here is a place
known
as
Robben
Island,
a
place
where
people
who
held
different views from those of the authorities, slaves who
rebelled against their masters who sought to infringe or
violate their dignity, and political prisoners or political
persons who sought to affirm the dignity and the struggle
for freedom and equality were incarcerated. It was a place
not far from the precincts of this Parliament which was not
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accessible to the people of this nation, of Southern Africa
and of the world. It is a paradox and a wonderful irony
that today that site is a World Heritage Site.
It is also an expression and a symbol of the fortitude, the
courage, the resilience, the generosity and the magnanimity
of
those
immorally
individuals
who
incarcerated
for
were
unlawfully,
wrongfully,
the
convictions
which
were
consistent in achieving a humane society and a humanity
that is equal, committed to freedom and to the affirmation
of the dignity of each and every human being.
In this context that I deem my presence here today and the
opportunity and privilege to lead this debate as quite a
wonderful and extraordinary opportunity because I, as other
members in this Chamber, represent a very significant and
important
moment
in
our
history;
a
history
which
in
political terms comes from despair arising from political
and
economic
subjugation,
and
social
repression
to
a
history of hope and reconciliation, one that is committed
to the achievement of equality.
In this Chamber there are members who have been part and
parcel
of
achieving
a
wonderful
instrument
called
the
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Constitution, which is the birth certificate and this birth
right
of
our
nation;
a
constitution
that
is
generally
accepted as the most advanced and forward-looking document
on
which
the
ethos
of
a
nation
and
its
struggles
is
reflected. It is a wonderful moment in our history. It is a
wonderful moment in our history to be sitting here, to say
that we are proud citizens, we have a heritage of having
the
world
experience
descend
and
on
our
our
soil,
vision
to
to
share
our
with
us
our
commitment
to
nonracialism. It is an epoch of hope.
It is a wonderful moment when we think that the world again
not very long ago had descended on us in great numbers,
large numbers, reflecting on the commitment to sustainable
development. We must note the contribution of members of
this Chamber and particularly the Chairperson, who has in
that very conference presented a document about of the need
for the eradication of poverty in the context of world
sustainable development.
Many times we tend to forget how fortunate and lucky we
are. This is a moment in our history that very few other
people
would
enjoy.
Therefore
we
have
a
particular
commitment, given the fact that the world recognises the
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particular pioneering role that South Africans can play in
the
achievement
of
equality,
in
the
eradication
of
racialism, in the affirmation of gender equality, that as
public representatives we have to move our country forward.
Our
esteemed
President
Comrade
Thabo
Mbeki
had
the
following to say:
We must work to rediscover and claim the African heritage
for the benefit especially of our young generations. From
South Africa to Ethiopia lie strewn ancient fossils which
in the stillness speak still of the African origins of
all humanity. Recorded history and material things the
time
left
behind
also
speak
of
Africa's
historic
contribution to the universe of philosophy, the natural
sciences,
human
settlement,
and
organisation
and
the
creative arts. Being certain and not always were we the
children of the abyss, we will do what we have to do to
achieve our own renaissance. We trust that we will not
only better our own condition as a people, but will also
make a contribution, however small, to the success of
Africa's Renaissance, towards the identification of the
century ahead of us as the African Century.
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It is in this context that the topic of the debate was
chosen.
A
heritage
debate
from
a
which
speaks
region
of
about
celebrating
perspective
to
inform
our
our
national and our African identity.
The hon Deputy President has said:
Today Africa is recognised as the cradle of humankind. In
our part of the continent we have a rich and varied past
that is only now appreciated for its complexity and its
diversity. Indeed, our heritage is the foundation from
which we are working to rebuild our society.
It is this recognition of our diversity, complexity and
richness
that
should
inspire
us
to
reconcile,
to
reconstruct and to rebuild, and take each other's hands and
say
together
different,
as
we
a
will
nation,
march
however
forward
diverse,
collectively
however
with
one
vision of improving the quality of the lives of our people.
The President has also alluded to the fact that when we
speak
about
freedom
in
the
context
of
celebrating
our
heritage we should not do so in a narrow or political sense
only. Our freedom should be given expression through the
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liberation of our people, who have suffered through socioeconomic bondage for many generations. It is important that
we do so. We must be able to liberate our minds and, more
importantly,
we
must
be
able
to
liberate
and
free
our
souls. In that sense can we only then say that we are
completely free.
When we talk about the Freedom Park that is being planned
and designed, it would then be a record of the history of
our
people,
but
also
the
responsibility
of
all
South
Africans to ensure that we consistently promote, support
and
fulfil
the
vision
of
a
nonracial,
nonsexist
South
Africa; a vision that was enshrined in the Freedom Charter
in
1955,
a
vision
that
takes
on
board
not
only
the
struggles of a certain section of our community, but the
struggles of our people as a collective. It is important to
recognise this particular important contribution that we
can make as a nation.
Heritage cannot have any provincial or national boundaries.
It
is
for
this
reason
that
South
Africa
has
gone
into
various co-operative arrangements. For example, there is
the Maluti-Drakensberg Transfrontier Conservation Area. The
Drakensberg's huge, imposing mountain range, where men and
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women are somewhat small and diminutive is also not only a
heritage of our environment, but a heritage of cultures, of
people that live in the valleys of the Drakensberg. It
straddles
the
provinces
of
KwaZulu-Natal
and
the
Free
State. It goes beyond our national borders to Lesotho. It
says
to
our
opportunity
people
where
and
we
our
can
nation
that
celebrate
here
not
is
only
an
our
environmental heritage, but also our cultural heritage.
Here we have an opportunity to ensure that we can give
expression to the freedom that our President spoke about,
not only our political freedom, but our freedom from social
and economic bondage. We can only do so if we recognise
ourselves that, in celebrating this heritage of ours, we do
so with the common view that the affirmation of our dignity
means the change in the quality of our lives so that we can
enjoy our freedom and thereby affirm our dignity even more.
There are other examples not far from where I live. There
is
also
an
arrangement
in
terms
of
a
transfrontier
conservation park called the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park,
which
involves
historical
Botswana
linkages
and
between
South
the
Africa.
There
Setswana-speaking
are
people
who reside in the North West province and other provinces
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of course, and the people in Botswana. Not far from where I
live we have a place that was formerly known as Pilanestad
or Saulspoort, where the tribe still has as its paramount
chief, Paramount Chief Lincwe, who is from Botswana.
These linkages cannot be wished away or eradicated and we
recognise
that
notwithstanding
our
national
boundaries
there are linguistic, tribal, and historical associations
that we must respect. As we celebrate our heritage, we
should not do so in a narrow or parochial sense, but we
should do so in a collective and diverse sense in order
that we could affirm our unity.
This country has a particular responsibility in terms of
ensuring that when we look and examine our past, we do so
for the collective benefit of humankind. We do not do so
for a specific benefit.
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order!
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Madam Chairperson, I am
sorry
I
have
spoken
too
much,
but
thank
latitude that you have given me. [Applause.]
you
for
the
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The CHAIPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Now, Chief Whip, you
have put me in trouble. You have revealed that I gave you
latitude.
undertaking
[Laughter.]
for
the
There
hon
will
Van
not
Niekerk.
be
a
similar
[Laughter.]
Hon
member, the clock is ticking.
Mr A E VAN NIEKERK: Chairperson, I am sorry that the clock
is ticking. I do not know why that hon member should have
preference, just because he is the Chief Whip. [Laughter.]
Our
former
President,
the
international
icon
Nelson
Mandela, said during the opening ceremony of the Robben
Island Museum on 24 September 1997:
May this monument and the museum strengthen our resolve
that never again shall this land see the oppression of
one by another, nor the suppression of any community's
heritage.
This coincides with the assurance President Mbeki gave in
the
Other
Place
yesterday,
when
he
said
that
minority
rights would be part of the peer review of the African
Union.
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Although South Africans have diverse cultures, elements of
national
unity,
nation-building,
reconciliation
and
national patriotism should be emphasised. The ideal is to
preserve,
exhibit
and
promote
our
diverse
but
connected
values and cultures.
We should all be encouraged, after this debate and after
the celebrations on 24 September, to embrace South Africa's
common heritage. The three primary national symbols, the
anthem, flag and coat of arms, represent our new democracy.
Key
values
reconciliation,
underpinning
unity
in
these
diversity
new
and
symbols
are
nation-building.
This is surely the reason why the national symbols are the
theme of Heritage Day for the second time, which I only
found out yesterday.
But we must also be frank on this day and because of this
the
question
then
arises
regarding
our
parliamentary
symbols. When are we going to finalise this long overdue
process and when will we see the new ones reflected behind
the Chair? During colonial and apartheid times our museums
and
monuments
in
each
of
our
provinces
excluded
the
majority of citizens. Now community consultation, effective
use of limited resources and accessibility are guidelines
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to redress these imbalances. Again, when taking this into
consideration,
Parliament
are
it
is
absolutely
still,
after
inexcusable
eight
years,
that
we
in
struggling
to
finalise the policy of Parliament as to how to deal with
and exhibit our national heritage, such as the artworks and
furniture of Parliament.
It is also important that money should be found to fund the
long overdue Mandela statue at the buildings of Parliament.
We owe it to Madiba, to South Africa and to the world. We
must start adding to our heritage instead of withholding
from it or destroying it.
Gedurende die Erfenisdagviering van 2000 het die klem op
veeltaligheid geval. Dit was 'n poging om Suid-Afrikaners
te verenig, om trots te wees op elkeen se taal en kultuur
en om die reg uit te oefen wat die Grondwet elkeen bied om
die amptelike taal van sy keuse te gebruik, om bemagtig te
word en respek vir mekaar se tale en kulture te hê. Dit was
ook die soeke na onderlinge begrip vir die verskille. Dit
maak ons werklik vry in Suid-Afrika.
Ongelukkig is dit nog net die Weskaapse Wetgewer wat 'n
provinsiale taalbeleid het, maar die Nuwe NP het nou in
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elke provinsie 'n voorstel vir 'n taalwet wat ter tafel
gelê word. In die Wes-Kaap het ons reeds die steun van die
Minister van Plaaslike regering om 'n veeltaligheidsbeleid
in elke munisipaliteit te vestig.
Die Parlement gaan binnekort 'n veeltaligheidskonferensie
aanbied. Ons beplan nou al vir twee jaar daarvoor. Dit is
spesiaal vir parlementariërs, want veeltaligheid moet as 'n
bemagtigende instrument gesien word en nie as 'n luukse
nie. Dit begin hier by elkeen van ons en hierdie Raad is 'n
voorbeeld wat nagestreef kan word.
Suid-Afrika moét nou 'n nasionale talebeleid en -wet kry.
Ons het nou genoeg beloftes en genoeg verwarring gehad en
genoeg klem op Engels is gepleeg. Dit moet nou end kry. Die
inheemse tale van Suid-Afrika het genoeg onder die Engelse
hegemonie
gely.
Die
afskeep
van
Afrikaans
en
die
ander
inheemse tale op alle gebiede, wat die SABC, universiteite,
wetgewers en die Parlement insluit, is onaanvaarbaar. Dit
het tyd geword dat ons hande vat en die saak reggestel kry.
Tsonga,
Venda,
Tswana,
Zulu,
Afrikaans,
Xhosa,
Ndebele,
Sotho en Pedi het net so 'n reg op goeie behandeling in
Suid-Afrika as Engels. Ons moet elkeen sonder verskoning
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reg
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opeis.
Dit
is
ons
grondwetlike
reg.
(Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.)
[During the Heritage Day celebrations of 2000 the emphasis
was on multilingualism. It was an attempt at uniting South
Africans, to be proud of each one's language and culture
and to exercise the right that the Constitution affords
everyone to use the official language of their choice, to
be
empowered
and
to
have
respect
for
one
another's
languages and cultures. It was also the quest for mutual
understanding of these differences. This really frees us in
South Africa.
Unfortunately it is only the Western Cape legislature that
has a provincial policy, but the New NP has now tabled a
proposal for a language Act for every province. We, in the
Western Cape have the support of the Minister of local
government to introduce a policy of multilingualism to each
municipality.
Parliament
will
shortly
present
a
conference
on
multilingualism. We have been planning this for two years
now.
It
is
specifically
for
parliamentarians,
because
multilingualism must be seen as an empowering instrument
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and not as a luxury. It starts here with each one of us and
this Council is an example that can be emulated.
South Africa must now acquire a national language policy
and Act. We have had enough promises, enough confusion and
enough emphasis that was placed on English. It must end
now. The indigenous languages have suffered enough under
the hegemony of English. The neglect of Afrikaans and the
other indigenous languages in every area, which includes
the
SABC,
universities,
legislatures
and
Parliament,
is
unacceptable. The time has come for us to join hands to
rectify
this
matter.
Tsonga,
Venda,
Tswana,
Zulu,
Afrikaans, Xhosa, Ndebele, Sotho and Pedi have the same
right
as
Everyone
English
of
us
to
must,
be
treated
without
any
well
in
South
apologies,
Africa.
claim
this
right. It is our constitutional right.]
Martin Luther King said: ``Peace is not only the absence of
war ...''. In conclusion, I want to add ``... it is the
freedom
to
celebrate
our
individual
heritage
in
our
diversity''. [Applause.]
Mnr R J KING: Voorsitter, u moet maar verskoon as ons WesKapenaars op hierdie Erfenisdag vanjaar ekstra spoggerig is
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- dit is immers die 350ste verjaardag van ons Moederstad,
die mooie, skone Kaapstad.
Erfenisdag
is
sekerlik
dié
dag
waarop
ons
met
groot
dankbaarheid bestekopname maak van dit waarvoor ons lief
is, en is ons nie ryklik geseënd nie.
Enigeen van die agb lede in hierdie Huis wat al die wêreld
getoer het, sal weet dat daar oral ongelooflike monumente
staan. Dit is bewyse van glorieryke skeppings van die mens
en
sy
vermoëns:
stadions
en
Teaters,
amfiteaters
katedrale,
vir
museums,
honderde
paleise,
duisende,
en
stadspleine vir miljoene - menslike skeppings wat bekend
staan
as
wonderwerke,
piramides,
hangende
tuine
en
oorhellende torings.
Ons in die Wes-Kaap het soveel om te bied, maar so anders.
Ons
is
ryklik
geseënd
en
bedeeld
met
die
Goddelike
skepping.
Ek het as 'n jong man in 1970 pas in Kaapstad begin werk
toe my hoofkantoor my opdrag gegee het om 'n Amerikaanse
aardrykskundige na die Du Toitskloofberge te neem. Ek het
nie geweet waaroor die opdrag gaan nie. Ek het maar my plig
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Toe
ons
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daar
kom,
het
ons
elke
half
kilometer
gestop, dan het die oubaas uitgeklim en die berge rondom so
bekyk. Aan die einde het hy vir my gesê: ``You know, Mr
King, this is the 77th country that I visit in the world to
observe their mountains. This is now the seventh time that
I came back to South Africa to come and look at the Du
Toitskloof Mountains - the most beautiful mountain range in
the world.''
Dit het 'n Amerikaner gevat om vir my te wys die berge waar
ek elke dag deur die klowe ry, is die mooiste berge in die
wêreld. Tot my skaamte het ek nog elke dag weer aan daardie
gesprek gedink as ek deur die pas ry.
My kollega en ek het eenkeer deur Engeland getoer en in 'n
dorpie
noord
van
Londen
Springbokondersteuners
raakgeloop.
Toe
hulle
se
het
klere
ons
in
geloop
Suid-Afrika
ons
en
sien,
kenmerkende
twee
toe
sê
ou
dames
die
een
dame:``Have you ever been to Hermanus?'' Ons sê toe ons ken
Hermanus.
Sy
sê
toe:``The
most
beautiful
little
seaside
town in the world.'' Dit is wat ander mense van ons land
dink.
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Ons het so baie ontvang en so baie om voor dankbaar te wees
en
met
ons
hele
wese
te
bewaar
en
te
vertroetel.
Die
geskiedenis sal ons nooit vergewe as een jota of tittel van
hierdie erfenis langs die pad verlore moet gaan nie. Die
rykdom van die Wes-Kaap se menseverskeidenheid, waar kom
dit
vandaan?
Ek
wil
vandag
slegs
die
bydrae
van
een
groepering aanraak en wat vir my hierin uitstaan en dit is
die bydrae van die slawekultuur aan die Kaap.
Suid-Afrika is die een unieke land in Afrika waar slawe
ingevoer is en nie uitgevoer is nie. Dit was as gevolg van
die opdrag wat Jan van Riebeeck van die VOC gekry het,
naamlik dat hy nie die Kaap se mense mag verslaaf het nie.
Daar word bereken dat oor 'n tydperk van 180 jaar soveel as
63 000 slawe na Kaapstad gebring is. Die eerste slawe aan
die Kaap het hoofsaaklik uit Wes-Afrika gekom - Guinea,
Angola en later ook uit Mosambiek en Madagaskar. Slawe is
ook uit Indië ingevoer, maar die kenmerkendste van daardie
tyd
het
uit
die
Ooste
gekom
-
die
huidige
Java,
Bali,
Timor, Maleisië en China. Teen 1748 was daar meer slawe aan
die Kaap as wat daar Europeërs was. Die invloed op plase,
fabrieke, die boubedryf, die klerebedryf en in die oorgrote
meerderheid huishoudings is onbepaalbaar.
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Die een monument van die saamgroei van die destydse bruin
en wit gemeenskappe in die Kaap is die Afrikaanse taal. Die
verskynsel
dat
Afrikaans,
eens
die
kombuistaal,
op
'n
stadium gesien is as die taal van die verdrukker, was 'n
afwyking eerder as die norm. Die Afrikaanse taal is gebou
deur taalstryders, maar ook omdat dit die praktiese medium
van kommunikasie geword het tussen slawemeester en slaaf,
en tussen slawe uit verskillende wêrelddele. Afrikaans was
ook in die tagtigerjare die taal van verset in die WesKaap.
Afrikaans se oorsprong lê dus nie in die hoogste raadsale
van die land nie. Afrikaans se oorsprong lê in die harte en
op die tong van mense uit alle lae van die samelewing.
Nadat die kettings van slawerny in 1834 gebreek is, het die
wit en bruin gemeenskappe in die Wes-Kaap natuurlik nader
aan mekaar gegroei deur die bande van bloed, godsdiens,
taal en kultuur. Omdat taal vir ons in hierdie provinsie so
uiters belangrik is, wil ek by hierdie geleentheid met u
gesels
oor
die
instelling
en
werksaamhede
van
die
Wes-
Kaapse Taalkomitee.
Dié
komitee
is
ingestel
ingevolge
die
Wes-Kaapse
Provinsiale Talewet van 1998 en Raadskennisgewing 120 van
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-
soos
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gepubliseer
in
die
Staatskoerant
van
15
Desember 1997. Die komitee is daarna as die Provinsiale
Taalkomitee van die Wes-Kaap erken, ingevolge die Wet op
die Pan-Suid-Afrikaanse Taalraad, 1995.
Dit beteken dat die Taalkomitee 'n statutêre liggaam van
die
Wes-Kaapse
provinsiale
regering
is,
asook
'n
provinsiale taalkomitee van Pansat. Die Taalkomitee doen
verantwoording
aan
die
Provinsiale
Minister
van
Kultuursake, Sport en Ontspanning.
Die Taalkomitee se visie is om al die mense van die WesKaap deur taal te bemagtig, hul menswaardigheid deur agting
vir
mekaar
se
tale
te
versterk
en
veeltaligheid
te
bevorder. Die Taalkomitee se missie is om veeltaligheid in
die provinsie aktief te bevorder, die gelyke gebruik van
die drie amptelike tale in die provinsie te monitor, en die
ontwikkeling
van
die
voorheen
gemarginaliseerde
inheemse
tale van die Wes-Kaap te ondersteun.
Die
Wes-Kaapse
Taalkomitee
het
'n
mandaat
van
die
provinsiale regering om die gebruik van Afrikaans, Engels
en
Xhosa
in
die
provinsiale
Marknavorsingsagentskap
is
regering
aangestel
te
om
monitor.
'n
'n
omvattend
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taalbestekopname van die provinsiale regering en sy kliënte
se taalgebruike en -voorkeure te maak. Dié baanbrekerswerk,
die eerste in sy soort in Suid-Afrika, is einde Maart 2002
afgehandel.
Een van die belangrikste bevindings - en ek sluit aan by my
kollega wat pas gepraat het - was dat daar 'n skerp afname
was
in
die
gebruik
van
Afrikaans
in
die
provinsiale
regering ten gunste van Engels; en dit terwyl 66% van die
amptenare
Afrikaanssprekend
is.
Laasgenoemde
syfer
korreleer met die 59% Afrikaanssprekendes in ons provinsie.
Daar is wel 'n mate van groei in die gebruik van Xhosa,
maar
dit
ernstige
moet
gebruik
geskrewe
positiewe
word
marginalisering
Xhosasprekendes
interne
gesien
teen
die
van
die
Engels
as
kommunikasie.
aanvaarding
van
dié
agtergrond
taal.
'n
van
die
Afrikaans-
en
brugtaal
Daar
is
toedrag
van
in
veral
misleidende
sake
by
Afrikaanssprekendes, maar dieselfde aanvaarding is gelukkig
nie
by
Xhosasprekendes
nie.
Dit
bly
egter
'n
elite
oplossing om Engels by verstek te gebruik. 'n Kopskuif is
nodig
in
die
provinsiale
regering
en
Afrikaans-
en
Xhosasprekendes behoort hulle meer te handhaaf vir sover
dit die gebruik van hulle tale aangaan.
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Ek kan nog baie praat, maar ek wil nie oor my tyd gaan nie.
Ek wil eers afsluit en baie dankie sê vir die geleentheid
om dié Huis te kon toespreek. [Applous.]
Die
VOORSITTER
VAN
DIE
NRVP:
Baie
dankie,
geagte
lid.
(Translation of Afrikaans speech follows.)
[Mr R J KING (Western Cape): Chairperson, you will have to
excuse us if we from the Western Cape are extra boastful on
this Heritage Day this year - after all, it is the 350th
anniversary of our Mother City, the beautiful, lovely Cape
Town.
Heritage Day is surely the one day on which we take stock
with
much
gratitude
of
that
which
is
dear
to
us,
and
realise that we are richly blessed.
Any one of the hon members in this House who has toured the
world
will
know
that
everywhere.
They
are
mankind
and
of
his
there
evidence
are
of
abilities:
unbelievable
glorious
Theatres,
monuments
creations
by
cathedrals,
museums, palaces, stadiums and amphitheatres for hundreds
of
thousands,
and
public
squares
for
millions
-
human
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creations known as mighty works, pyramids, hanging gardens
and leaning towers.
We in the Western Cape have so much to offer, but something
so different. We are richly blessed and endowed with God's
creation.
As a young man in 1970 I had only just started working in
Cape
Town
when
my
head
office
ordered
me
to
take
an
American geographer to the Du Toitskloof Mountains. I was
not aware of what this instruction was about. I was simply
doing my duty. When we arrived there, we stopped every half
a kilometre, and then the old man climbed out and surveyed
the mountains around us. At the end he said to me: ``You
know, Mr King, this is the 77th country that I visit in the
world to observe their mountains. This is now the seventh
time that I came back to South Africa to come and look at
the Du Toitskloof Mountains - the most beautiful mountain
range in the world.''
It took an American to show me that the mountains among
whose passes I travel every day are the most beautiful
mountains in the world. To my shame I have thought of that
conversation every time that I travelled through the pass.
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My colleague and I once toured through England and in a
village to the north of London we strolled around in our
Springbok supporters' clothes and met two old ladies. When
they saw South Africa, one of the ladies said: ``Have you
ever been to Hermanus?'' We told her that we knew Hermanus.
Then she said: ``The most beautiful little seaside town in
the
world.''
That
is
what
other
people
think
of
our
country.
We have received so much and so much to be grateful and
which to preserve and to cherish with our whole being.
History would never forgive us if one jot or tittle of this
heritage were to be lost along the way. The wealth of the
Western Cape's human diversity, where does it come from? I
want to touch upon the contribution of only one group today
and
what
I
find
exceptional
about
it,
and
that
is
the
contribution of the slave culture in the Cape.
South
Africa
is
unique
in
that
is
the
only
country
in
Africa where slaves we imported and not exported. This was
as a result of the order given to Jan van Riebeeck by the
VOC, namely that he may not enslave the people of the Cape.
It is estimated that as many as 63 000 slaves were brought
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to Cape Town over a period of 180 years. The first slaves
in
the
Cape
came
Angola
and
later
Slaves
were
also
primarily
also
from
from
imported
West
Africa
Mozambique
from
India,
and
but
-
Guinea,
Madagascar.
during
that
period the most distinctive of them came from the East the present Java, Bali, Timor, Malaysia and China. By 1748
there were more slaves than Europeans in the Cape. The
influence on farms, factories, the building industry, the
clothing industry and in the greater majority of households
cannot be determined.
The one monument of the merging of the erstwhile brown and
white communities in the Cape is the Afrikaans language.
The phenomenon that Afrikaans, formerly known as kitchen
Dutch, was once regarded as the language of the oppressor
was
a
language
deviation
was
rather
written
by
than
the
language
norm.
The
militants,
Afrikaans
but
also
because it had become the practical medium of communication
between slave masters and slaves, and between slaves from
different parts of the world. During the eighties Afrikaans
was also the language of resistance in the Western Cape.
Therefore, the origin of Afrikaans does not lie in the
highest chambers of the country. The origin of Afrikaans
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lies in the hearts and on the tongues of people from all
walks of society. After the chains of slavery had been
broken in 1834, the white and brown communities in the
Western Cape naturally grew closer together owing to ties
of blood, religion, language and culture. Because language
is so vitally important to us in this province, I want to
talk to you on this occasion about the establishment and
activities of the Western Cape Language Committee.
This committee was established in terms of the Western Cape
provincial language legislation of 1998 and Council Notice
120 of 1997 - as published in the Government Gazette dated
15 December 1997. The committee was subsequently recognised
as the Provincial Language Committee of the Western Cape,
in terms of the Pan South African Language Board Act, 1995.
This means that the Language Committee is a statutory body
of the Western Cape provincial government, as well as a
provincial
Committee
language
is
committee
accountable
to
of
the
PanSALB.
provincial
The
Language
Minister
of
cultural affairs, sport and recreation.
The
Language
people
of
Committee's
the
Western
vision
Cape
by
is
to
means
empower
of
all
language,
the
to
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strengthen their dignity by way of respect for one other's
language
and
Committee's
by
promoting
mission
is
to
multilingualism.
The
play
role
an
active
Language
in
the
promotion of multilingualism in the province, to monitor
the equal usage of the three official languages in the
province and to support the development of the previously
marginalised indigenous languages of the Western Cape.
The Western Cape Language Committee has a mandate from the
provincial
government
to
monitor
the
use
of
Afrikaans,
English and Xhosa in the provincial government. A market
research
agency
has
been
appointed
to
undertake
an
extensive survey of the language usage and preferences of
the provincial government and its clients. This pioneering
work, the first of its kind in South Africa, was finalised
at the end of March 2002.
One of the most important findings - and I associate myself
with my colleague who has just spoken - was that there was
a sharp decline in the use of Afrikaans in the provincial
government in favour of English; and that while 66% of the
officials
are
Afrikaans-speaking.
The
latter
figure
correlates with the 59% of Afrikaans-speaking people in our
province.
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There is in fact some growth in the use of Xhosa, but this
must
be
seen
against
the
of
language.
marginalisation
the
background
of
the
serious
Afrikaans-speaking
and
Xhosa-speaking people use English as a bridging language in
especially
internal
misleading
positive
written
communication.
acceptance
of
this
There
state
of
is
a
affairs
among Afrikaans-speaking people, but fortunately we do not
find
the
same
acceptance
among
Xhosa-speaking
people.
However, it remains an elite solution to use English by
default. A change of mind is necessary in the provincial
government,
and
Afrikaans-speaking
and
Xhosa-speaking
people should take a bolder stand as regards the use of
their languages.
I can say a lot more, but I do not want to exceed my time.
I want to conclude by saying thank you very much for the
opportunity to address this House. [Applause.]
The
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP:
Thank
you
very
much,
hon
member.]
Mrs M MASHANGOANE: Hon Chairperson, hon members, ladies and
gentlemen, we are a nation that is so fortunate, for we are
a nation rich in culture. Culture is a very important part
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of any society. Culture is identity. It is one's esteem and
is one's home.
In South Africa we do not only have one culture but a
diversity of cultures that make but one rich nation. We
have a home and an identity. We are not only a diversity
but we are one nation, a South African nation that is proud
to
be
South
African
and
that
is
proud
of
its
cultural
heritage.
I
can
compare
the
beauty
of
our
nation
to
that
of
a
rainbow. The question is, what makes a rainbow beautiful?
It is a combination of colours that make one beautiful
rainbow. That is South Africa, our nation and our pride.
Hence, our former hon President Nelson Mandela refers to
our nation as a rainbow nation, for we are.
Yes, we come from a terrible past where our culture were
used as a tool to divide our people and our nation. It was
a symbol of oppression. The diverse colours of our skins
and our cultural backgrounds determined whether we should
be
rightful
citizens
of
this
country
and
whether
we
deserved to be respected and whether we should enjoy our
freedoms, opportunities and our country. For if one fell in
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the so-called wrong side of origin, colour and race, one
was a foreigner and a slave in one's own country.
But today we are speaking a different language, a language
of
unity
in
diversity.
Thanks
to
the
struggles
of
our
people and our government, the government of the people,
that today we can look around us and say boldly that we are
proud to be South Africans. We are proud of our heritage.
We are a united force. We are cradle of civilisation. To
us, our diverse heritage and our liberation are a passage
to a free society. They affirm human dignity. They outline
how the world should march forward.
Instead of campaigning for wars, as a global village the
world
should
be
following
our
example,
for
we
are
trendsetters, an example and unique even in the way we
obtained our liberation. No wars were fought for we believe
in peace, unity and reconciliation.
Next week, on 24 September, we will be celebrating our
South
Africanness.
We
will
also
be
celebrating
our
Africanness for we are part and parcel of Africa, hence the
hon President always refers to the African Renaissance. We
will be celebrating the beauty of our natural heritage, the
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beauty of the Drakensberg Mountains in Kwazulu-Natal, of
the Table Mountain in the Western Cape and of God's Window
in Mpumalanga. The beauty that crosses all our provinces.
We will be celebrating both our tangible and intangible
heritage, the tangible heritage being the ones that relate
to those sites, places and structures which are physical
manifestations
of
our
shared
history.
The
intangible
aspects being the ones that we refer to as our diverse
customs,
indigenous
traditions
and
mores
knowledge
of
the
and
past
belief
which
are
systems,
manifested
through dance, certain rituals, oral traditions, ways of
doing things and songs. That is our nation.
Our very own Robben Island, which not so long ago was a
symbol
of
oppression,
is
today
a
symbol
of
hope,
reconciliation and unity. It is a symbol of a way forward
and of a united South Africa whose future is so bright that
I need sunglasses. Our ambitious project, the development
of
Freedom
Park,
will
see
the
creation
of
a
dedicated
precinct celebrating our outstanding heritage, a centre of
knowledge aimed at creating a deeper understanding of South
Africa
and
its
people.
inspiration
for
South
It
will
Africans
become
and
a
will
place
be
of
an
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acknowledgement of South Africa's true history, a chronicle
of its entire people and its contribution to humanity.
It will be a constant affirmation of national identity and
values and a celebration of triumph of humanity, which was
realised with the achievement of democracy in 1994. This is
the present and the future of South Africa.
To conclude, I would like us as a nation to celebrate our
heritage and to bring back what was taken from us, our
dignity,
identity
and
esteem.
Let
us
celebrate
the
discovery of our pride in ourselves. Let us celebrate our
South Africanness. [Applause.]
Mr N M RAJU: Chairperson and hon fellow South Africans, any
country's
cultural
archaelogical
sites,
resources,
buildings,
ethnographic
resources,
landscapes,
objects
and
documents, structures and districts embody a rich heritage
of human experiences and cultural identities. They provide
information
about
people
from
the
past
and
establish
important connections to the present.
They tell a compelling story of our earlier pioneers and
communities and help us understand how we got where we are
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today.
A
country's
identified,
and
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cultural
evaluated,
interpreted.
We
resources
documented,
become
the
must
be
carefully
registered,
preserved
veritable
caretakers
and
guardians of these resources.
The
new
South
Africa
that
was
ushered
in
April
1994
switched on fluorescent lights on much of these cultural
resources
which
had
been
deliberately
relegated
to
the
limbo of forgotten things not because they lacked intrinsic
worth, but only because the imperatives of a race-obsessed
ideology of apartheid demanded selective amnesia.
During the apartheid era, the entire life and destiny of
every
people
artificial
in
South
arbitrary
and
Africa
was
determined
totally
unscientific
by
an
system
of
race classification. However, let me not dwell too much on
such negative considerations and rather on celebrating our
heritage. Did we not, only weeks ago, celebrate the return
of our beloved Saartjie Baartman to her beloved homeland?
Did
we
retrieve
not,
even
after
her
from
the
some
2
ignominy
centuries,
of
being
rescue
an
her,
object
of
obscene curiosity in some foreign European capital as some
human freak? Did we not embrace her in spirit and lower her
remains in the African soil under the African sun? In one
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fell swoop, did we not restore and celebrate the status of
women in South African society?
Only last week during our visits to nodal points in our
respective provinces, I was reminded about the importance
of the heritage of our earlier political leaders when we
visited
the
outskirts
Dube
of
Memorial
Durban,
at
Ohlange
incidentally
not
in
far
Inanda
from
on
the
where
I
live.
John Langalibalele Dube was the first President-General of
the ANC. He was also a scholar, gentleman, leader, farmer,
teacher, politician, patriot and philanthropist. Reverend
John Dube established the Ohlange Institute, on the lines
of Tuskegee Institute, the noted Afro-American institution.
He was immensely influenced by Booker T Washington. It is
interesting to note that the famous Ohlange institute is
only a stone's throw, no pun intended, from the Phoenix
settlement
where
Mahatma
Gandhi,
another
world
famous
philosopher and practitioner of non-violence or satyagraha,
founded the newspaper Indian Opinion.
Professor
Dube
also
founded
the
Zulu/English
newspaper
Ilanga laseNatal, which is prominent in my province even
today. Nearby Ohlange Institute, in the dense congregation
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AmaNazarene,
Unincity
of
the
Durban,
famous
Shembe
Ethekwini,
is
church.
rich
That
in
the
cultural
heritage, indeed the province of KwaZulu-Natal, is really
an understatement.
In
celebrating
our
heritage
from
an
international
and
national perspective, we must thank providence for the host
of natural resources that South Africa has been endowed
with. I am thinking of our dams and rivers, our forests,
game parks, our fauna and flora, even our mountains, as the
hon
King
Africa.
referred
Like
the
to
the
English
beautiful
poets
mountains
William
of
South
Wordsworth
and
Gerald Manley Hopkins, I also am a lover of nature because
I easily see God's grandeur in nature.
Humans have a bad habit of taking things for granted. We
feel deprived, neglected, unwanted, shunned and alienated.
But,
if
blessings
cannot
one
we
erase
can
pause
should
from
and
really
our
reflect
not
minds,
on
complain.
whatever
the
One
myriad
of
thing
we
blessings
we
may
enjoy today, is the direct result of the sacrifices that
our parents have made.
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I cannot complete my speech without reference to the rich
heritage and legacy that women in the struggle for human
rights have made in this country. I would like to mention a
few by starting with Mama Bertha Mkhize, another luminary
from Inanda, who was one of the first women involved in the
struggle for women's rights. Incidentally, she was also one
of the first women to have her own business in KwaZuluNatal.
Bertha
Mkhize
was
one
of
the
first
students
to
attend the Inanda Seminary Secondary School for Girls and
later she attended the Ohlange Institute. She was a teacher
before she became a tailor. Sometimes some teachers also
have restless souls and they never remain in teaching for
long.
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! I am afraid your time
has expired. [Applause.] As the hon Raju was speaking of
the history of women, I had great difficulty exercising the
duties that I am required to and to stop him. [Laughter.]
Unfortunately I have to give in.
Mr J O TLHAGALE: Chairperson, in discussing the issue of
heritage in South Africa, it should be noted that prior to
the advent of democratic rule, the issue of heritage was
inextricably bound to racial and cultural exclusivity and
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was also dominated by a eurocentric approach. Since the
awakening of South Africa's political transformation, the
diversity
of
acknowledged
our
and
multi-cultural
increasingly
heritage
celebrated,
has
as
has
been
our
hitherto ignored and neglected African heritage.
A number of heritage projects have been launched in recent
years which attempted to address the distortions and gaps
in past representations of heritage, but much still remains
to be done if South Africa is to rediscover her cultural
heritage and acknowledge her common identity.
The envisaged establishment of the Freedom Park on a 35hectare site on the outskirts of the national capital of
Tshwane
would
see
South
Africa
boasting
a
world-class
precinct comprising of a national museum, memorial, garden
of remembrance, amphitheatre and commercial facilities. One
good
thing
about
Freedom
Park
would
be
to
bring
the
different national groups together in celebration and do
away
with
the
present
system
where
one
group
is
not
interested in what the next group is celebrating because
the event being celebrated is in conflict with the interest
and historical background of the other group.
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South Africa's rich heritage is not limited to its land
only, but also includes its peoples and the languages they
speak.
Over
and
above
the
country's
eleven
official
languages, we have inherited some of the following other
languages: Firstly, Fanagalo, a well-known language used
mainly in the mines and for commercial purposes; secondly,
"Tsotsitaal"
Afrikaans,
or
"Flaaitaal",
English
and
which
African
uses
words.
a
variety
This
of
language
originated in the gold mines and was spoken until about the
1980s. I am a speaker of that language. [Interjections.]
As a nation, South Africa is currently in the midst of a
process
of
cultural
rediscovery
and
renewal
which
will
ultimately contribute to the restoration and recognition of
the
links
between
its
national
heritage
and
those
at
regional and continental level. [Applause.]
The
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP:
Heita
Mr
Tlhagale,
heita.
[Well done Mr Tlhagale, well done.] [Laughter.]
Mr D M KGWARE: Chairperson, as we are preparing to join our
people next week, it is important for us to go through this
kind of exercise to remind ourselves that South Africans,
especially those who were disadvantaged under the previous
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dispensation, are now in a position where they can finally
acknowledge with pride where they came from and how they
were shaped by their destiny. Before, to speak one's mother
tongue had numerous negative connotations and to practice
one's traditions labelled one as backward and ignorant.
The
most
recent
discourse
by
the
Department
of
Arts,
Culture, Science and Technology, in a draft White Paper on
Arts, Culture and Heritage, seeks to find through policy
frameworks optimum funding arrangements and institutional
frameworks for the creation, promotion and protection of
practitioners of South African arts, culture and heritage.
This
demonstrates
the
Government's
seriousness
in
the
preservation and protection of our heritage. We therefore
find ourselves as Government uniquely placed to legislate
policies and frameworks that will actively seek to preserve
for posterity every aspect of our heritage that we deem
necessary.
We have found that to legislate for transformation is vital
when
it
comes
to
the
preservation
of
our
collective
heritage. If we look, for example, at what in the past
constituted a "monument", then we find that not only was
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very
narrow,
but
it
was
also
distinctly
balanced in favour of the white culture and its practices.
Today
the
term
"heritage
"monuments"
and
these
buildings,
streets,
resources"
include
places
landscapes,
is
of
preferred
natural
objects
of
to
beauty,
historical
importance, geological, palaeontological and archaeological
sites
and
objects,
rock
art,
shipwrecks
and
graves
of
historical figures and victims of conflict.
One of the more recent ways in which we have already begun
to preserve our culture and heritage was encapsulated in
our debate for Women's Day this year. This Council debated
the significance of the violation of our own Sarah Baartman
under
the
Dignity
title:
against
"Sarah
a
Baartman:
Background
An
of
Epitome
Gender
of
and
Human
Racial
Discrimination". The whole point of the debate found its
context in the horrific abuses that one of our own was
subjected to in a foreign country, primarily because she
did
not
fit
the
"norm"
as
dictated
by
the
European
interpretation of human beings. She was therefore both a
live
exhibit
curiosity
during
after
her
her
lifetime,
death
for
as
the
Europeans of the late 1800's until 1975.
well
as
gawking,
a
museum
ignorant
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together
as
a
nation,
despite
coming
from
diverse cultures, firstly to bring her back to her place of
birth and secondly to restore, posthumously, her dignity. I
believe
the
ceremony
that
was
broadcast
widely
on
television moved all of us in a very profound way and at
the same time brought us closer to the Khoi tradition and
language.
As Government, we have transformed our national monuments,
national
heritage
sites
and
all
Government-controlled
aspects of the preservation of our heritage so that these
now reflect our rich and diverse cultures. Most other NGO's
and academic institutions are also getting involved with
the
preservation
of
our
heritage.
An
example
of
this
happened the other day at UCT and in the Eastern Cape with
the 25th anniversary celebration of the death of Comrade
Steve
Biko.
Who
would
have
thought,
25
years
ago
when
Comrade Steve died at the hands of security police on that
fateful day in September 1997, that we would celebrate the
death
in
detention
of
one
of
our
stalwarts
of
the
liberation struggle?
Chinua Achebe, who was invited to the University of Cape
Town on the occasion of the Steve Biko memorial lecture,
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Steve's
inferiority
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warnings
imposed
by
to
the
"cast
agents
off
of
the
burden
oppression."
of
Young
people who were present at the lecture commented on the
significant role Biko played in South Africa's history, as
articulated at the lecture, that it made them proud of him
and,
simultaneously,
proud
to
be
South
Africans.
Achebe
also paid tribute to Nelson Mandela for being the great
president
that
he
was
and
also
for
stepping
down
as
president on a continent where presidents for life are more
often than not the norm.
It is this sense of patriotism and nation-building that we
need to keep alive as a nation, for our children and any
future generations. Especially significant in this regard
were the warnings made by Xolela Mangcu, director of the
Steve
Biko
Foundation,
when
he
said:
"Too
often
those
living in freedom become too blasé." Indeed, we need to
document and put on record, through whatever means, our
rich national heritage so that it becomes relevant to every
generation.
Provinces need only look in their own backyards to identify
people, events or sites that have contributed to building
this nation into the formidable force it is today, both on
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the continent and in the world. We have a lot of people who
contributed significantly to our history. Some of them are
forgotten heroes. We need to go back to our Provinces and
take a look. We must bring those names back to life.
We had our first World Summit on Sustainable Development
that took place recently in Gauteng and all the positive
aspects that are spin-offs in the landscape of our country.
In the Western Cape alone we have Robben Island, which is
now not only a symbol of our nation's freedom, but also a
World Heritage Site.
Madiba is a symbol of our biggest success story in South
Africa's peaceful transition from apartheid to democracy.
Even Oprah Winfrey was forced to concede that it is our
concept of community, unity and nationhood that is central
in
the
preservation
of
our
heritage,
rather
than
the
contributions of the individual in their personal capacity.
Madiba had to remind her, during a show devoted entirely to
him,
that
he
was
but
one
person
who
was
part
of
the
collective to change a society from apartheid to democracy.
History
will
nonetheless
Africa
a
record
proud
place
of
his
role
his
where
as
such.
contribution
the
Our
to
fundamental
nation
making
is
South
principles
of
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nonsexism,
tolerance,
equality
and
freedom
our
natural
are upheld and revered by everyone.
South
Africa
heritage,
is
also
unlike
environment
does
very
other
not
concerned
nations
form
an
about
where
integral
regard
part
for
of
the
national
heritage. Recent coverage of the broken down tanker that is
currently
threatening
our
St.
Lucia
Estuary,
a
national
heritage site, has elicited widespread messages of concern
and support from all stakeholders, including Government.
Everyone
is
waiting
with
bated
breath
to
check
the
environmental consequences on such a sensitive ecosystem.
Environmental
issues
are
usually
confined
to
the
back
burner in other developing and developed countries. South
Africa is leading the way here as well.
We have learned as a nation about building our continent.
Initiatives
such
as
Nepad,
the
AU
and
the
African
Renaissance concept are all attempts to put South Africa
and
Africa
firmly
on
the
agendas
of
the
First
World
countries. These attempts are geared towards taking back
our continent, consolidating our resources and demanding
that we play a more meaningful role in the development of
world politics and sustainable development.
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We have many important people, sites and other instruments
that
record,
remember
and
preserve
for
today
and
the
future. One person who stands out in one's mind is Chief
Luthuli, who was born in 1898, Nobel Peace Prize winner and
much
revered
fourth
President
of
the
African
National
Congress. In a speech at a public meeting organised by the
South
African
Congress
of
Democrats
in
Johannesburg
in
1958, he touched on the issue of heritage by saying:
My fellow white South Africans, enjoying what is called
"Western civilisation", should be the first to agree that
this civilisation is indebted to previous civilisations,
from
the
East,
from
Greece,
Rome
and
so
on.
For
its
heritage, Western civilisation is really indebted to very
many sources, both ancient and modern.
Later in the same speech he said:
We
often
freedom
hear
to
the
cry
non-whites
that
we
if
shall
we
be
extend
democratic
surrendering
our
heritage. But I would like to suggest that you cannot
preserve your heritage by isolating yourself ...
[Interjections.]
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The
DEPUTY
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CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! On what point are you rising, hon member?
Mr
N
M
RAJU:
Chairperson,
will
the
hon
Kgware
take
a
question? [Interjections.]
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! I cannot hear when everybody is speaking. Will the
hon member take a question?
Mr D M KGWARE: No, Mr Chairperson. I would just like to
finish. [Interjections.] By isolating other people ...
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! Hon Kgware, I gave you two minutes more, thinking
you will finish. You have not finished. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON SECURITY AND
CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS - EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON EXTRADITION
Mr
P
A
MATTHEE:
Mr
Chairperson,
during
May
1996
the
Department of Foreign Affairs was requested to inform the
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Council of Europe of South Africa's wish to accede to the
Council of Europe's Convention on Extradition and to take
the necessary steps to negotiate an invitation.
Article 30 of this convention provides as follows:
The Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe may
invite any state not a member of the Council to accede to
the Convention, provided that the resolution containing
such invitation receives the unanimous agreement of the
members of the Council who have ratified the Convention.
Accession
General
shall
of
the
be
by
a
Council
deposit
of
an
with
the
instrument
of
Secretaryaccession
which shall take effect 90 days after the date of its
deposit.
The Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, at
their
accede
660th
to
meeting,
the
decided
convention.
to
invite
Article
26
South
of
the
Africa
to
convention
provides that -
...
any
Convention
contracting
or
when
party
may,
depositing
when
its
signing
instrument
the
of
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ratification or accession, make a reservation in respect
of any provisions of the Convention.
It further states that -
... any contracting party which has made a reservation
shall withdraw it as soon as circumstances permit.
Article 28 of the convention provides that -
... in respect of those countries to which it applies,
the Convention shall supersede any bilateral agreements,
treaties or conventions governing extradition between any
contracting
parties.
However,
parties
may
conclude
between themselves bilateral agreements which supplement
or facilitate the implementation of the Convention.
The effect of accession, therefore, would be to replace
existing bilateral agreements between South Africa and any
of the contracting parties under the convention. At the
same time it would obviate the need to negotiate separate
bilateral
parties,
agreements
except
with
insofar
as
the
such
individual
agreements
contracting
would
be
to
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or
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facilitate
the
implementation
of
the
convention.
Article 28(3) further provides that -
...
this
arrangement
would
not
adversely
affect
any
arrangement in terms of which extradition takes place on
the basis of a uniform law.
Thus, for example, if the SADC were to develop a uniform
law on extradition, the convention would not affect the
application of that law between the contracting parties,
unless
the
parties
themselves
decided
allows
state
to
exclude
its
application.
As
the
convention
a
at
the
time
of
ratification or accession to make reservations and to make
declarations in terms of the provisions of the convention,
the committee, as hon members will note from its report in
the ATC of 17 September, recommends to this Council that
this convention be approved, but with the declaration that,
firstly, the Republic of South Africa, for the purposes of
article 2 of the convention, shall not extradite any person
unless the punishment awarded for a conviction in respect
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of
which
he
or
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she
is
being
sought
is
a
sentence
of
imprisonment of at least six months.
Secondly, we say that the declaration should be that for
the
purposes
of
article
6
of
the
convention
the
term
``nationals'' is defined in terms of South Africa's legal
system
as
persons
who
have
acquired
South
African
citizenship by means of birth, descent or naturalisation,
that this includes persons with citizenship of South Africa
and of another country. These persons will all be liable to
be
extradited.
South
Africa's
acceptance
of
dual
citizenship will therefore not bar the extradition of a
person who is also in possession of the citizenship of a
country which prohibits the extradition of its nationals.
With those two declarations we recommend to this Council
that this convention be approved. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! I wish to take this opportunity to acknowledge the
presence
in
the
gallery
of
members
of
the
SA
National
Defence Force College, who are paying Parliament a visit.
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We welcome them and we hope they will enjoy their stay
here. [Applause.]
Question put: That the Report be adopted.
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! Hon members, we always have some mischievous persons
in the Chamber. [Laughter.] It is a pity that today it is
one of the Whips. I just want to ask the hon Whip Mr
Sulliman not to vote when he is not called upon to do so.
[Interjections.]
Mr M A Sulliman: [Inaudible.]
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! Thank you, but then you must take charge of your
affairs, otherwise other people will take over.
IN FAVOUR OF: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, KwaZuluNatal, Mpumalanga, Northern cape, Northern Province, North
West, Western Cape.
Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of
the Constitution.
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CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON SECURITY AND
CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS - ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO EUROPEAN
CONVENTION ON EXTRADITION
Mr
L
G
LEVER:
Chairperson,
this
additional
protocol
amplifies certain definitions, terms and provisions of the
European Convention that has just been voted on in this
House.
It
offences
excludes
crimes
from
the
against
definition
humanity
of
political
specified
in
the
convention on the protocols and punishment of the crime of
genocide as well as crimes for maltreatment of wounded,
sick and shipwrecked members of the armed forces.
Further,
under
Chapter
2,
under
certain
conditions
extradition will not be allowed where the person who is the
subject
of
the
application
has
been
convicted
and
has
already served a sentence in a third country. The main
exception being if that person holds a public office.
In Chapter 3 the remaining provisions of the convention
deal with the formal aspects of acceding to and ratifying
this
convention.
A
state
acceding
to
the
convention
referred to is referred to as a contracting party to the
convention. On acceding to this convention, any contracting
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state may make a declaration qualifying certain aspects of
this
convention.
The
provisions
of
this
convention
are
standard to this type of political and diplomatic document.
The select committee feels that as a member of the wider
family of nations there is a great deal of benefit and
advantage
to
consequently
acceding
the
to
select
this
additional
committee
urges
protocol
this
House
and
to
ratify and adopt the Additional Protocol to the European
Convention on Extradition.
Debate concluded.
Question put: That the Report be adopted.
IN FAVOUR OF: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, KwaZuluNatal, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, Northern Province, North
West, Western Cape.
Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of
the Constitution
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CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON SECURITY AND
CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS ON SECOND ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO
EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON EXTRADITION
Ms B N DLULANE: Mr Chairperson and hon members, the second
additional
protocol
is
designed
to
facilitate
the
application of the European Convention on Extradition on
several points and aims, in particular, to include fiscal
offences among the category of offences for which a person
may be extradited under the convention. This protocol also
contains
additional
extension
of
provisions
accessory
which
extradition
to
relate
offences
to
the
carrying
only pecuniary sanction, judgments in absentia, amnesty as
well as the communication of requests for extradition.
The
laws
of
other
countries
draw
a
distinction
between
criminal offences properly called as such and certain other
types of offences. While criminal offences are punishable
by criminal penalties, the other offences are dealt with by
pecuniary
sanctions,
which
are
not
regarded
as
criminal
penalties as is the case here in South Africa.
Under the convention, minor criminal offences which carry
only fines, cannot give rise to accessory extradition since
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they do not fulfil the specified conditions regarding the
nature of the sanction. Nonetheless, the offences may cause
considerable
social
harm,
for
example,
violation
of
regulations relating to the protection of the environment.
It was therefore thought desirable to include them all in
the
category
extradition
of
can
seriousness
of
the
be
the
offences
granted,
offence
for
which
particularly
is
normally
a
accessory
since
the
condition
of
extradition and does not give rise to concern in the case
of accessory extradition.
Article 5 of the convention provides that extradition for
fiscal
offences,
ie
offences
in
connection
with
taxes,
duties, customs and exchange shall be granted only if the
contracting parties have so decided in respect of any such
offences
or
category
of
offences.
Chapter
II
of
the
protocol gives article 5 of the convention a more mandatory
form.
It
provides
that
extradition
shall
take
place
irrespective of any arrangements between the contracting
parties whenever the fiscal offence, under the law of the
requesting
state,
corresponds
under
the
law
requested state, to an offence of the same nature.
of
the
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This new rules reflects the strong sentiments that fiscal
offences should not be treated as ordinary offences as they
were
akin
to
military
or
political
offences,
which
traditionally did not give rise to extradition. This means
that, for the purpose of extradition, fiscal and ordinary
offences are on the same footing.
Chapter
111
Extradition
complements
with
regard
the
to
European
judgements
Convention
in
absentia,
on
ie
judgements rendered after a hearing at which the sentenced
person
absentia
was
not
personally
resolution
present.
recommends
that
The
the
judgements
in
governments
of
member states apply a number of minimum rules when a trial
is held in the absence of the accused. These minimum rules
are aimed at guaranteeing the accused rights as laid down
in
the
European
Convention
for
the
Protection
of
Human
Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and may serve the purpose
of
determining
the
scope
of
the
phrase
``rights
of
defence'', as used in Chapter III.
Chapter
IV
deals
granted
in
the
with
the
requested
question
state
is
whether
ground
an
for
amnesty
refusing
extradition. The convention is silent on this point. The
protocol now offers a solution. This chapter does not deal
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with amnesty in the requesting party as the subcommittee
considered
it
extradition
for
previously
unlikely
an
granted
that
a
state
would
ask
offence
in
respect
of
which
amnesty.
An
amnesty
in
the
it
for
had
requested
party is a barrier to extradition only if that state has
jurisdiction
over
the
offence
concurrently
with
the
requested state, for example, by virtue of the principle of
active and passive personality.
According to article 12.1 of the convention, requests for
extradition
channels.
are
communicated
Experience
in
some
through
states
the
have
diplomatic
shown
that
diplomatic channels may give rise to delay. This protocol
provides
between
however,
for
the
extradition
Ministers
excluding
the
requests
of
justice
use
of
to
be
communicated
concerned
diplomatic
without,
channels
and
allowing two or more contracting parties to resort to other
specifically
agreed
channels.
I
therefore
support
the
ratification of this protocol in its entirety. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Question put: That the Report be adopted.
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Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of
the Constitution.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON SECURITY AND
CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS - SADC PROTOCOL AGAINST CORRUPTION
Mrs E N LUBIDLA: Chairperson, hon members, corruption in
the
Southern
because
it
institutions
African
undermines
and
region
is
emerging
threatens
the
of
particular
concern
political
and
economic
political
and
economic
reforms which we are trying to achieve through Nepad.
Corruption has a debilitating impact on the quality of life
of people in the region, particularly the poor because it
results in fewer funds allocated to government programmes
in education, health care, housing, physical infrastructure
such as water, sanitary systems, roads and other social
services.
The fight against corruption is a top priority for the
South African Government. Our President has time and again
reiterated the commitment of the South African Government
to honest, transparent and accountable government and the
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determination
to
act
against
anybody
who
transgresses these norms.
Since 1994 the South African Government has developed a
comprehensive programme against corruption. The programme
includes the improvement of investigation and prosecution
of corruption, the rationalisation of agencies combating
corruption, a review of relevant legislation and steps to
improve financial management systems and discipline at all
levels of government.
Other
initiatives
around
corruption
have
focused
on
promotion accountability, transparency and the rule of law,
the practice of good governance, a free press to forcefully
report
to
the
public
on
corrupt
practices
and
the
strengthening of Government watchdog agencies to identify
corrupt practices and bring them to public attention.
New steps have also been taken to ensure the enforcement of
the Code of Conduct for Public Servants. The Prevention of
Corruption
Bill
strengthen
the
initiatives
corruption.
has
show
recently
fight
been
against
Government's
introduced
corruption.
commitment
to
All
to
further
these
counter
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The SADC Protocol against Corruption is long overdue, and
the countries of the SADC are to be congratulated on the
initiative which will undoubtedly have far-reaching effects
on
regional
efforts
to
fight
corruption
in
our
SADC
countries.
The protocol has been carefully thought through and is more
than
capable
of
delivering
its
expected
outcomes.
It
focuses on those elements of governance that matter, such
as
developing
prevent,
and
detect,
strengthening
punish
and
institutions
eradicate
needed
corruption
to
and
developing efficient, effective and transparent systems and
procedures for public administration.
The
purpose
of
the
protocol
is
threefold.
Firstly
to
promote the development of anticorruption mechanisms at the
national
level,
secondly
to
promote
co-operation
in
the
fight against corruption by state parties and, thirdly, to
harmonise
region.
anticorruption
The
preventative
Development
protocol
also
mechanisms,
of
code
national
of
legislation
provides
which
conduct
a
include
for
wide
in
set
the
of
the
following:
public
officials;
transparency in public procurement of goods and services,
easy access to public information, protection of whistle
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establishment
developed
systems
of
of
anticorruption
accountability
and
agencies;
controls;
participation of the media and civil society; and use of
public education and awareness as a way of introducing zero
tolerance for corruption.
Article
6
of
the
protocol
criminalises
the
bribery
of
foreign officials. The protocol also addresses the issue of
proceeds of crime by allowing for their confiscation and
seizure, thereby making it more difficult to benefit from
proceeds of corruption. It makes corruption or any of the
offences
under
it
an
extraditable
offence,
making
it
difficult for criminals to have a haven in one of the SADC
countries. More so, the protocol can be a legal basis for
extradition
in
the
absence
of
a
bilateral
extradition
treaty. The SADC Protocol also provides for judicial cooperation and legal assistance among state parties. This is
important
as
corruption
often
involves
more
than
one
country.
In terms of its implementation, the protocol establishes a
committee which will have the responsibility for gathering
and disseminating information on corruption among member
states,
organising
training
programmes
as
and
when
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appropriate,
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putting
implementation
of
the
into
practice
protocol
and
a
programme
providing
of
technical
assistance to state parties where necessary.
Lastly, corruption is not inevitable, neither is it limited
to
particular
countries.
It
transcends
political
and
geographical boundaries. Co-operation among the different
countries
of
the
Southern
African
region
is
therefore
essential if we are to minimise the negative impact which
corruption has on the social and economic development of
the region. We therefore need to give this protocol our
unreserved endorsement.
Debate concluded.
The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! I have already established that delegation heads are
present, except for the Free State. [Interjections.] Any
delegation head from the Free State? Please come to the
front
if
you
represent
the
Free
State,
concerned. All the other members just left.
Question put: That the Report be adopted.
because
I
am
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The
DEPUTY
CHAIRPERSON
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OF
THE
NCOP
(Mr
M
L
Mushwana):
Order! Is there nobody from Mpumalanga? Can we vote again?
I ask hon members please to pay attention. [Interjections.]
Order! Please pay particular attention to the instructions,
because we want to vote accurately. We do not want anything
to be declared invalid at a later stage.
IN FAVOUR OF: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, KwaZuluNatal, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, Northern Province, North
West, Western Cape.
Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of
the Constitution.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON LAND AND
ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS - PROTOCOL ON DEVELOPMENT OF TOURISM
IN SADC
Mr R Z NOGUMLA: Chairperson, hon members, the Protocol on
Development of Tourism in the SADC was signed by the heads
of states in Mauritius on the 14 September 1998 with the
exception of Angola, which was involved in the internal
war. According to the constitutional procedures, for this
protocol to come into effect two thirds or nine, of the
member states must ratify it. Eight countries have already
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deposited
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their
instruments
of
ratification
with
the
secretariat.
One more ratification makes this protocol operational and
binding
on
ratified
all
it,
member
will
states
have
to
and
those
accede
to
that
have
not
the
protocol.
Therefore, adopting this protocol today will place South
Africa amongst those countries that are ratifying it and
the two thirds constitutional requirement will be met.
The objectives of this protocol are as follows: To use
tourism
as
a
vehicle
to
achieve
sustainable
social
and
economic development through the full realisation of its
potential for the region; to ensure equitable balanced and
complementary development of the tourism industry regionwide; to optimise resource usage and increase competitive
advantage
in
through
the
region,
collective
environmentally
effort
sustainable
vis-a-vis
and
other
destinations
co-operation
manner;
to
in
ensure
an
the
involvement of small micro enterprises, local communities,
women
and
youth
in
the
development
of
tourism
in
the
region; to contribute towards the human development of the
region through job creation and the development of skills
at
all
levels
in
the
tourism
industry;
to
create
a
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favourable investment climate for tourism within the region
for both the public and private sectors, including small
and
medium-scale
tourism
establishments;
to
improve
the
quality, competitiveness and standards of service of the
tourism industry in the region; to improve the standards of
safety
member
and
security
states
disabled,
and
for
to
handicapped
tourists
make
and
in
the
appropriate
senior
territories
provision
citizens
in
of
for
their
respective countries; to aggressively promote the region as
a single but multifaceted tourism destination capitalising
on its common strengths and highlighting the unique tourist
attractions
of
individual
member
states;
to
facilitate
interregional travel for the development of tourism through
the easing or removal of travel and visa restrictions and
harmonisation
of
immigration
procedures;
and
to
improve
tourism service and infrastructure in order to foster a
vibrant tourism industry.
In
conclusion,
tourism
is
already
a
strong
and
growing
force in Africa. It has enormous potential to create jobs,
increase wealth, stimulate exports and to act as a catalyst
for broad-scale social and economic development. African
governments have recognised the far-reaching potential of
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tourism in social and economic development and now need to
ensure that this potential is realised.
Therefore, I beg all the members of this House to support
the report on the Protocol on Development of Tourism in the
SADC. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Question put: That the Report be adopted.
IN FAVOUR OF: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, KwazuluNatal, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, Northern Province, North
West, Western Cape.
Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of
the Constitution.
The Council adjourned at 11:20.
__________
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
TABLINGS:
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National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:
Papers:
1.
The Minister of Education:
(a) Annual Report and Financial Statements of the South
African
Qualifications
Authority
for
2001-2002,
including the Report of the Auditor-General on the
Financial Statements for 2001-2002.
(b) Annual
National
Report
and
Student
Financial
Financial
Aid
Statements
Scheme
of
for
the
2001-
2002, including the Report of the Auditor-General
on the Financial Statements for 2001-2002 [RP 1452002].
2.
The Minister of Public Enterprises:
Annual Report and Financial Statements of arivia.kom
for 2001-2002.
3.
The Minister of Safety and Security:
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(a) Annual Report and Financial Statements of the South
African Police Service for 2001-2002, including the
Report
of
the
Auditor-General
on
the
Financial
Statements for 2001-2002 [RP 172-2002].
(b) Summary of the Annual Report of the South African
Police Service for 2001-2002 [RP 173-2002].