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TUESDAY, 8 APRIL 2003
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PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
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The House met at 14:05.
The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to
observe a moment of silence for prayers or
meditation.
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see
col 000.
NOTICES OF MOTION
Mr K M ANDREW: Madam Speaker, I hereby give notice
that I shall move on the next sitting day:
That the House, in view of the forthcoming Growth
Summit, resolves to debate fully those steps
which South Africa needs to take if the ideal of
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faster economic growth and job creation is to be
realised.
Mr M J ELLIS: Madam Speaker, I hereby give notice
that I shall move on the next sitting day:
That the House resolves to send a parliamentary
delegation to Zimbabwe which will meet with all
stakeholders, including the opposition and civil
society organisations, and will report back to
Parliament on the true situation in that country
and what South Africa can do to assist the people
of Zimbabwe to restore democracy.
WORLD HEALTH DAY, 7 APRIL 2003
(Draft Resolution)
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Madam
Speaker, I hereby move without notice that the
House:
That the House -
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(1) notes that -
(a) the international community celebrated
World Health Day on 7 April 2003;
(b) the theme for this year's celebration
was: A Healthy Environment for Children;
and
(c) this year's celebration seeks to
highlight the fact that millions of
children die annually from
environmentally related illnesses and
therefore seeks to promote a healthy
environment for children; and
(2) calls on all the people of South Africa to
rise to this challenge of promoting a healthy
environment for children as part of the
Government's focus on health awareness in the
month of April.
Agreed to.
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LUNCH IN HONOUR OF VETERANS OF LIBERATION STRUGGLE
HOSTED BY NELSON MANDELA FOUNDATION
(Member's Statement)
Mrs C I LUDWABE (ANC): Madam Speaker, the Nelson
Mandela Foundation hosted a lunch in honour of the
veterans of the liberation struggle on 6 April 2003
in the Sandton Convention Centre. This event also
occurred in the context of the commemoration of the
cowardly assassination of Comrade Chris Thembekile
Hani, the leader of the stalwarts of our movement,
Comrade O R Tambo, and the hanging of the combatant
of the people's army, uMkhonto weSizwe, Solomon
Kalusha Mahlangu.
These and many unsung heroes have played an
important role in the struggle for a free,
nonracial, nonsexist, democratic and people's South
Africa. Forward to the struggle for the
reconstruction and development of our country. It
was fitting for the Nelson Mandela Foundation to
host this lunch in honour of those gallant
fighters. We reassure those cadres that the ANC
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remains steadfastly working for the realisation of
the noble ideas for which they were prepared to
make the supreme sacrifice. Aluta Continua.
[Applause.]
ERADICATION OF RACISM
(Member's Statement)
Mnr N J J VAN R KOORNHOF (DA): Mevrou die Speaker,
rassisme word baiemaal verkeerdelik, veral deur
politici, misbruik om politieke punte teen mekaar
aan te teken. Te veel word rassisme as 'n verweer
geopper, veral wanneer die argument nie genoeg
meriete het nie.
Wat onlangs met Lericia Langenhoven by die
skoonheidsalon in Welgemoed gebeur het, is totaal
onverskoonbaar en blatante rassisme. Vir 'n
sakepraktyk om agter rassisme te skuil en dan 'n
hele gemeenskap met die rassekwas te teer en veer
is verregaande.
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Ek hoop en vertrou dat die salon met die volle
geweld van die reg getref sal word. Die salon was
verkeerd, rassisties en uiters selfsugtig om agter
sogenaamde wit, gesiglose vroue te skuil. Mej
Langenhoven het haar posisie op meriete behaal en
moet in enige plek in Suid-Afrika kan werk. Sy is
welkom in Welgemoed.
Alle Suid-Afrikaners moet saamstaan teen rassisme.
Die beste wyse is om prontuit daaroor te praat en
dit dan te ontbloot. Die aanval en uitroei moenie
verdelend wees nie, maar 'n gemeenskaplike faktor
van ons almal se strewe om daarvan ontslae te raak.
Suid-Afrika het rassisme nie meer nodig nie.
[Applous.] (Translation of Afrikaans member's
statement follows.)
[Mr N J J VAN R KOORNHOF (DA): Madam Speaker,
racism is often wrongly used, particularly by
politicians, to score political points against one
another. Too often racism is used as a defence,
especially when the argument does not have enough
merit.
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What happened to Lericia Langenhoven at the beauty
salon in Welgemoed recently is totally inexcusable
and blatant racism. It is preposterous for a
business to hide behind racism and then to tar and
feather a whole community with the racism brush.
I hope and trust that the salon will meet with the
full force of the law. The salon was at fault,
racist and extremely selfish to hide behind socalled white, faceless women. Ms Langenhoven
attained her position on merit and should be able
to work in any place in South Africa. She is
welcome in Welgemoed.
All South Africans must stand together against
racism. The best way is to speak openly about it
and then to expose it. The onslaught and
eradication must not be a dividing, but a common
factor in the pursuit by all of us to get rid of
it. South Africa does not need racism anymore.
[Applause.]]
WORLD HEALTH DAY - FOCUS ON CHILDREN
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(Member's Statement)
Mr E T FERREIRA (IFP): Madam Speaker, yesterday was
World Health Day and it focused on healthy
environments for children. In developing countries
it is estimated that one out of five children die
from environmentally related illnesses. This figure
shows that our children are the most vulnerable
people who are severely affected by environmental
hazards. This vulnerability is caused by the fact
that children breath more air and consume more food
and water than adults do in relation to their
weight.
Our country is faced with a big challenge, as one
of the top five killers of children, especially in
rural areas, is diarrhoea, which has been
associated with inadequate access to water,
sanitation and hygiene education. Our people in the
rural areas also are exposed to air pollution on a
daily basis as they use coal, wood and cow dung to
make fire for food as well as to keep warm in
winter. This can lead to increased acute
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respiratory infections, such as pneumonia, in young
children.
There is therefore an urgent need for the creation
of healthy settings in homes and the community at
large and for education of our people on
alternative means of energy that are safe and
healthy for the sake of our environment and, more
importantly, of our children.
ERADICATION OF RACISM
(Member's Statement)
Mev R R JOEMAT (ANC): Geagte Speaker, mej Lericia
Langenhoven van Kuilsrivier het 'n vernederende
daad van rassistiese diskriminasie beleef. Dit het
gebeur toe 'n Welgemoedse skoonheidsalon geweier
het om haar as 'n intern aan te stel op grond
daarvan dat sy 'n persoon van kleur is. Dit word
gesê dat die eienaar 'n stelling geuiter het dat
haar kliënte nie deur 'n persoon van kleur
gehanteer sal word nie.
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Alle Suid-Afrikaners werk hard om rassistiese
diskriminasie en rassevooroordeel uit te wis. Hulle
slaag daarin om 'n nasie te bou verenig in
verskeidenheid. Die ANC-regering het die
Menseregtekommissie ingestel en het wetgewing
deurgevoer soos dié oor die bevordering van
gelykheid en die voorkoming van onregverdige
diskriminasie, nuwe wetgewing oor arbeidverhoudings
en vele ander wette wat die voorkoms van rassisme
bekamp.
Hierdie is 'n geïsoleerde voorval, maar nogtans
beklemtoon dit die belangrikheid daarvan dat 'n
verenigde nasie gebou moet word. Rassistiese
diskriminasie en vooroordeel is iets uit die ou
bedeling en mag nie in die nuwe Suid-Afrika verdra
word nie. Die ANC doen 'n beroep op die eienaar van
die skoonheidsalon in Welgemoed om mej Lericia
Langenhoven en haar familie om verskoning te vra
vir die vernedering wat hulle deurgemaak het.
Die ANC doen verder 'n beroep dat alle gemeenskappe
en persone wat nog steeds rassistiese gedagtes
huldig en wat nog steeds rassisme in ons
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gemeenskappe aanblaas, geïsoleer en ontbloot moet
word. [Applous.] (Translation of Afrikaans member's
statement follows.)
[Mrs R R JOEMAT (ANC): Madam Speaker, Miss Lericia
Langenhoven from Kuilsriver has experienced a
humiliating act of racial discrimination. It
happened when a beauty salon in Welgemoed refused
to appoint her as an intern on the grounds that she
is a person of colour. It has been alleged that the
owner uttered a statement that her clients would
not want to be dealt with by a person of colour.
All South Africans are working hard to eradicate
racial discrimination and racial prejudice. They
are successful in building a nation united in its
diversity. The ANC Government has established the
Human Rights Commission, and passed legislation
promoting equality and preventing unfair
discrimination, new legislation pertaining to
labour relations, and many other Acts to combat the
occurrence of racism.
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This is an isolated case, but it nevertheless
emphasises the importance of building a united
nation. Racial discrimination and prejudice come
from the old dispensation, and may not be tolerated
in the new South Africa. The ANC appeals to the
owner of the beauty salon in Welgemoed to apologise
to Miss Lericia Langenhoven and her family for the
humiliation they suffered.
The ANC further appeals that all communities and
people who are still harbouring racist thoughts,
and who are still stirring up racism in our
communities, be isolated and exposed. [Applause.]]
VICTIMS OF CRIME
(Member's Statement)
Mnr J SCHIPPERS (Nuwe NP): Mevrou die Speaker, die
wrede verkragting van 'n 62-jarige vrou in
Uitenhage hierdie naweek en die moord op nog 'n
kind gister op die Kaapse Vlakte bevestig weer eens
dat misdadigers geen respek vir die waarde van lewe
het nie. Die Nuwe NP erken die feit dat
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wetsgehoorsame Suid-Afrikaners toenemend
gefrustreerd en woedend raak.
Die stryd tussen wetsgehoorsame, eerlike SuidAfrikaners en die misdadigers wat aas op kinders en
gesinne is 'n territoriale stryd om oorlewing. Elke
vermoorde kind is een te veel. Elke verkragting,
elke aanval en elke moord is nog 'n bitter pil
waaraan Suid-Afrikaners moet wurg. Die Nuwe NP glo
dit is tyd om die slagoffers van misdaad te
bemagtig om 'n aktiewe rol te speel, om misdadigers
te laat boet en om hulle vonnisse vas te stel.
Die Nuwe NP doen 'n beroep op die Regering om
sonder verwyl 'n taakspan saam te stel om die
herinstelling van die doodstraf te ondersoek asook
maatreëls vir die toepassing daarvan op te stel.
Die Regering moet alles denkbaar doen om die
skuldiges vas te trek en te straf. Dit is tyd vir
die slagoffers van misdaad om gehoor te word. Ek
dank u. [Tussenwerpsels.] (Translation of Afrikaans
member's statement follows.)
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[Mr J SCHIPPERS (New NP): Madam Speaker, the cruel
rape of a 62-year-old woman in Uitenhage this
weekend and the murder of another child on the Cape
Flats yesterday once more confirm that criminals
have no respect for the value of life. The New NP
admits the fact that law-abiding South Africans are
becoming increasingly frustrated and angry.
The fight between law-abiding, honest South
Africans and the criminals who prey on children and
families is a territorial fight for survival. Every
murdered child is one too many. Every rape, every
assault and every murder is yet another bitter pill
on which South Africans must choke. The New NP
believes that the time has come for victims of
crime to be empowered to play an active role, to
make criminals pay and to determine their
sentences.
The New NP appeals to the Government to compile a
task team without delay to investigate the reintroduction of capital punishment as well as to
introduce measures for its application. The
Government must do everything imaginable to
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apprehend and punish those who are guilty. It is
time for the victims of crime to be heard. I thank
you. [Interjections.]]
THEFT OF IDENTITY DOCUMENTS FROM THE EASTERN CAPE
HOME AFFAIRS OFFICES
(Member's Statement)
Mr J T MASEKA (UDM): Madam Speaker, in the past
month Home Affairs offices in the Eastern Cape have
been the victims of various break-in incidents. Of
specific concern is the fact that the criminals
appear to be targeting identity documents for
theft. For instance, in Ntabankulu 481 identity
books were stolen from the Home Affairs office
there, and in Centane hundreds of ID books were
also recently stolen. In total, several hundreds of
ID books have been stolen in the past month in
various break-ins.
This theft can only have sinister motives. These
criminals will no doubt use these documents in a
variety of crimes and fraud, from fraudulent bank
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loan applications to fraud committed with social
grants. Apart from this danger, there is the very
real danger that the applicants whose ID books have
been stolen are not able to access a wide range of
private and Government services. Many of these
people are desperately poor, and hence these thefts
are a direct threat to their livelihoods. In
addition, the elections are near and these people
will be deprived of their democratic right to vote
if they are without the required ID books.
The UDM urges Government to immediately investigate
these incidents which bear the hallmark of an
organised crime syndicate. Government must also
immediately institute special measures to ensure
that the issuing of new ID books to the affected
people is not delayed for another number of months.
VANDERBIJLPARK CONSTITUENCY OFFICE FINDS A HOME FOR
A HOMELESS ELDERLY WOMAN
(Member's Statement)
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Ms D M MOROBI (ANC): Madam Speaker, the
parliamentary constituency office in Vanderbijlpark
in the Vaal Triangle and Councillor Nellie Mutyele
intervened and highlighted the plight of 69-yearold Nkubonyane Agnes Melatu, who lived under a tree
for five years. Mme Agnes's life as a homeless
person started when her former employers relocated
to Cape Town. Councillor Nellie Mutyele found an
alternative home for Agnes at Vukuzenzele Home for
the Aged.
When Mme Agnes's story was published in Metro
newspaper, her family was able to track her down to
Vukuzenzele Home for the Aged, and now Mme Agnes is
reunited with her family from whom she had been
separated for 20 years. The ANC commends its cadres
who have taken it upon themselves to intervene in
the case of Mme Agnes. This intervention was made
without the expectation of a reward. It was simply
the goodwill of these cadres, guided by the spirit
of voluntarism, that made them act in the manner
that improved the life of Mme Agnes.
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These interventions are also in line with the ANC's
51st National Conference resolution on the aged
which states that the ANC must take the lead in
creating a caring environment for the elderly.
It is this spirit that must guide us all as South
Africans when we pose the question: What can we do
both as individuals and as a collective to lend a
helping hand to improve the lives of the poor? The
ANC calls on patriots to emulate this shining
example and work for a better future for all South
Africans. [Applause.]
AFTERMATH OF CROSSING-OF-THE-FLOOR LEGISLATION
(Member's Statement)
Mr I S MFUNDISI (UCDP): Madam Speaker, the period
for members to cross from one party to the other
has come and gone, leaving in its wake differences
among parties represented in this Parliament. Some
parties have grown and enhanced their stature; some
have lost members to the point of designation; some
have remained unscathed; some have been obliterated
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from the political scene, while others have come up
like typical laat lammetjies.
Some of the hon members who have abandoned their
parties did this after strenuous denial that they
would indeed cross to other parties or form new
ones. This in itself brings to life the question of
to what extent politicians can be taken at their
word. It calls for clarity on whether their yes is
yes, and conversely.
Other members have been so creative and imaginative
to establish and register new parties which we hope
will enjoy long life and bring about dynamism in
the political scene. Some parties have remained
intact while others have only gained in the
process. These are surely parties of the future
whose members remain as constant as the northern
stars and who even went as far as to convert other
members.
Let us hope then that we as members will be able to
find one another and keep the light of
multipartyism aglow.
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TREATMENT OF OLD AGE PENSIONERS
(Member's Statement)
Dr S E M PHEKO (PAC): Madam Speaker, recently old
age pensioners died in a long queue while waiting
to receive their pensions. This was in Mount
Fletcher in the Eastern Cape. It is reported that
their families have been given R3 000 as
compensation and were assisted with funeral
expenses only by the Government.
The PAC has made concerted efforts to speak to some
Government officials about this matter, but it
seems their lips are sealed on this issue. Even
concerned traditional leaders such as Lebenya and
Lehana could not get any information.
All pensioners are humiliated every month.
Sometimes, in some areas, when they arrive there
are no Government officials to pay the pensioners,
or the money runs out. Many times they have to
stand in the queue for days before they are paid.
It is not unusual for old pensioners to spend a
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night sleeping in the queue. The PAC demands a more
respectable way of dealing with old pensioners.
They are our senior citizens. They should not be
subjected to this bitter life.
Families of the old pensioners who died in Mount
Fletcher must be properly compensated. The amount
of R3 000 and payment for funeral expenses is an
insult to the intelligence of the African people.
The officials concerned must be fired. If a private
company is involved in this matter, its contract
must be terminated. A better way of paying
pensioners without humiliating them must be found.
It is disturbing that only African people are
subjected to these atrocious conditions and service
on pension day.
GLOBAL IDEA AWARD
(Member's Statement)
Ms S D MOTUBATSE-HOUNKPATIN (ANC): Thank you, Madam
Speaker. The giant billboard in the Johannesburg
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inner city, the cultural meeting place, won the
Global Idea Award. This billboard contains Nicky
Blumenfeld's ``African Goddess at Work''. This
award was launched in August last year and aims to
recognise the best media campaign worldwide, with
the least negative impact on the environment.
This initiative also seeks to encourage individual
expression from new artists. This project is
important, because it contributes to Johannesburg's
inner city development and to Government's broader
urban renewal strategy. These artworks encourage
tourists to visit the cultural meeting place, thus
attracting buying power and creating a viable
market for artists and other traders in order to
showcase their products.
The ANC congratulates all sectors - the Government,
the private sector and civil society - for actively
embarking on projects that contribute to inner city
development, and to the implementation of a broader
urban renewal strategy.
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Re re Gauteng ha e hole, Johannesburg e boele e be
le matla a yona hape. Vuk'uzenzele Gauteng. Ke a
leboha. [We say, let Gauteng develop and let
Johannesburg regain its strength. Vukuzenzele,
Gauteng. Thank you.]
DRIVER'S LICENCES
(Member's Statement)
Mr J SELFE (DA): Madam Speaker, in reply to a
question of mine yesterday, the acting Minister of
Transport admitted that more than 50% of all
driver's licences issued were invalid. Considering
the fact that there are about 7 million South
African driver's licences, this means that more
than 3,5 million of these could be invalid. Some
licences have been withdrawn, but this is merely
scratching the surface of the problem. The whole
purpose of the credit card format driving licence
was to remove any possibility of fraud and
malpractice in the issuing of licences.
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Now, after spending millions of rands of taxpayers'
money, and after threats to prosecute those who do
not convert their licences, we find that the system
is just as unsound and open to corruption as the
original one. This constitutes an indictment of the
system. It also makes a mockery of the time, effort
and money spent by hundreds of thousands of honest
motorists to convert their licences. More
seriously, it means that our streets and highways
are just as unsafe as they have ever been.
OUTSTANDING TRAFFIC FINES
(Member's Statement)
Mr M S M SIBIYA (IFP): Madam Speaker, it is highly
worrisome that Cape Town city alone is owed more
than R300 000 in unpaid traffic fines. It is
reported that five minibus taxis and five other
cars owe from R19 000 to R4 000 each in unpaid
traffic fines.
One wonders what the situation is in other cities
and towns. The money owed could have been ploughed
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back into development projects. It is incumbent
upon an offending driver to own up to his or her
offence, but if co-operation is not forthcoming on
the part of the offending driver, it becomes
incumbent upon the traffic authority to make an
offending driver own up to his or her offence by
using applicable procedures and laws to make them
own up. I thank you.
RIGHT-WING SUPPORT FOR THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
(Member's Statement)
Mnr C B HERANDIEN (Nuwe NP): Mevrou die Speaker, 'n
onlangse meningspeiling van markdata deur die Helen
Suzmanstigting, het bevind dat die DA leier, die
agb Tony Leon, naas die VF se leier, die meeste
steun by regses het. Die agb Leon het 32% van die
steun, teenoor die agb Mulder se 42%.
[Tussenwerpsels.]
Hierdie peiling bevestig die vermoede dat die DA 'n
regse magsbasis het. Dit is ook duidelik dat die DA
die KP vervang het, en dat die DA met sy groeiende
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regse magsbasis besig is om die VF in te haal. Die
DA bluf hulself as hulle dink hul steun is gebaseer
op hul kamtige liberale oortuigings, want dit is
die regse fondament waarop die DA gebou is wat die
agb Tony Leon die gewildste regse leier maak. Dit
is nie wittes wat al hoe meer regs beweeg nie, maar
eerder slegs die DA, en daarom is hulle regse
magsbasis ook besig om uit te brei.
Hierdie peiling toon ook dat die DA nie 'n party is
wat alle Suid-Afrikaners se belange op die hart dra
nie, maar eerder een wat hunker na die ou SuidAfrika. Die Nuwe NP weet dat Suid-Afrika aan alle
Suid-Afrikaners behoort, en dat slegs as ons wit-,
bruin-, swart- en Indiërgemeenskappe hande vat, sal
ons 'n Suid-Afrika kan bou wat ons almal se belange
op die hart dra. Ek dank u. [Applous.] (Translation
of Afrikaans member's statement follows.)
[Mr C B HERANDIEN (New NP): Madam Speaker, a recent
opinion poll of marketing data by the Helen Suzman
Foundation found that the leader of the DA, the hon
Tony Leon, has, next to the leader of the FF, most
support from the right wing. The hon Leon has 32%
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of the support and the hon Mulder has 42%.
[Interjections.]
This poll confirms the suspicion that the DA has a
right-wing power base. It is also clear that the DA
has replaced the CP, and that the DA, with its
growing right-wing power base, is catching up with
the FF. The DA is bluffing itself if it thinks that
its support is based on its so-called liberal
convictions, because it is the right-wing
foundation on which the DA is built which makes the
hon Tony Leon the most popular leader on the right.
It is not the whites who are increasingly moving
towards the right, but rather the DA, and therefore
their right-wing power base is also growing.
This poll also shows that the DA is not a party
that has the interests of all South Africans at
heart, but rather a party that yearns for the old
South Africa. The New NP knows that South Africa
belongs to all South Africans, and only if we as
white, brown, black and Indian communities take
hands will we be able to build a South Africa which
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will have all South Africans' interests at heart. I
thank you. [Applause.]]
The SPEAKER: Order! It appears the ANC has found
its voice. Somebody will be making a statement on
behalf of the ANC.
RACE AGAINST MALARIA
(Member's Statement)
Dr A N LUTHULI (ANC): Madam Speaker, the race
against malaria was launched on 3 April 2003 in
Pretoria. This project involves drivers who have
volunteered to participate in a race that will
start in South Africa and end in Tanzania. The aim
of this race is to raise consciousness and mobilise
people throughout the region to fight this disease.
Malaria is one of the leading causes of illness and
disease in Southern Africa. There are 88 million
people living in Malaria transmission areas, with
14 million being children under five and 4 million
pregnant women, who are at a high risk of
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contracting the disease. Poor communities are also
vulnerable to this disease, as many people who
reside in these transmission areas either do not
have incomes, or have low incomes.
Health care centres are far from these communities,
and they do not have sufficient resources to pay
for transport, consultation and treatment fees. The
fighting of malaria needs to be part of a public
agenda, as this is one of the major causes of death
in the region. There has to be a partnership
between governments of the region, donor
communities, business and civil society to embark
on a concerted effort to fight the scourge of the
spread of malaria.
The race against malaria highlights the need to put
this agenda in the public domain. We wish the rally
drivers success as they highlight the task we face
of fighting malaria. Thank you. [Applause.]
APPROPRIATION BILL
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Debate on Vote No 20 - Sport and Recreation South
Africa:
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Madam
Speaker, Cabinet colleagues, hon members, I am
honoured to be delivering this, my fourth budget
speech, to this august House. Not only are we on
the brink of our third democratic elections, after
the end of this financial year, we are also on the
verge of entering the second decade of freedom from
apartheid domination. The juncture presents us with
an appropriate opportunity to take stock of what we
have achieved: for me over the period of my tenure
and for us, in more general terms, in the past 10
years. We must also consider what lies ahead of us
and determine the direction in which we should head
as Sport and Recreation.
Before I begin, allow me to welcome a few special
guests who are in the public gallery this
afternoon. Santos FC was with us this afternoon. I
think they have gone for training. They were last
year's PSL champions. The Stormers rugby team were
with us earlier today but they have had to leave
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because of another commitment. We have Mr Thelo
Wakefield and Koos Basson with us in the gallery.
[Applause.] We also have Mr Hendry Jones, a body
builder who, despite having been crowned Mr
Universe during his participation years in body
building, has never received colours for
representing his country purely on the basis of his
skin colour. There is Mr Hendry Jones over there.
[Applause.]
There are three youngsters who are with us today:
Dorian Newman, Hilton Klophas and Kwezi Qika. They
are three talented surfers from extremely
disadvantaged backgrounds who made it onto the
Western Cape surfing team but are unable to get to
the national championships because of a lack of
resources. The youngsters are seated over there in
the public gallery as well. [Applause.] I also want
to welcome a guest from Canada, Mr Joe Van Ryn, who
is with us to renew our co-operation agreement with
that country for the next few years. [Applause.] We
also have our MECs for sport, and MEC MacKenzie is
over there. We have a number of presidential sports
awardees with us here. Topsport administrators and
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representatives of provincial departments are also
here. We have a lovely exhibition in the foyer
where I saw Tat' uMlangeni playing some chess this
afternoon.
I am introducing a budget of R225,762 million - the
largest ever for Sport and Recreation in this
House. It represents significant growth from when I
first assumed this portfolio, almost four years
ago. While it represents a satisfying 275%
increase, relative to the 1998-99 budget, it is
still not nearly enough for what is needed to place
our country on an even footing with our traditional
adversaries in sport. Our athletes and teams will
therefore always enter the arena with a handicap.
Moreover, the major part of the budget, R129
million, comprises an allocation from the poverty
relief, infrastructure creation and job summit pool
that, as I have already indicated, will dry up at
the end of this financial year. That will result in
a 53% decline in our budget which will detract from
the progressive growth in the allocation to sport
that we have witnessed over the last three years.
This must be very disconcerting.
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With the Building for Sport and Recreation
Programme allocation removed, the remaining R96
million is split up as follows: Programme 1 for
administration - R18 million; and Programme 2 for
policy, funding and liaison - R78 million. With
regard to Programme 2, the amount available for
sports development amounts to R44 million. That
gives an indication of how underfunded sport really
is. However, I am firmly of the opinion that,
despite setbacks every now and again, the tide has
indeed turned for us in sport.
While I sometimes have to lament the slow pace of
change in sport, I am convinced that the imminent
release of the sports transformation charter will
bring us back on course to ensure rapid movement
from the entrenched racial, gender and spatial
rigidities of the past and, indeed, turn the tide
into a flood. I am happy to note significant
progress in the representative profiles of certain
sports. I have so far resisted the option of
legislating on sports transformation and have
offered national federations, instead, the
opportunity to reconsider their own options for
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driving the initiative into their structures. We
must transform. There is no alternative. If,
however, we fail to make progress, I will have to
reconsider my options.
Sport has, in the past, been at the forefront of
transformation in this country. We cannot allow
that advantage and the moral high ground that we
once occupied to be lost. That would amount to a
betrayal of the many who have dedicated so much,
some even their lives, to the cause of ensuring a
fair dispensation in all sport. In this regard, I
would like to draw the attention of the House to
some of those stalwarts whom we have lost during
the course of the past year. While I am sure that I
will leave out many names, I would like to
acknowledge the services of Millin Petersen, Ben
Groepes, Ben Tengimfene, Harry Hendricks, and a
host of others. While we will miss them as we march
on towards actualising the goals that they
dedicated their life's work to, we will never
forget them.
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We have just completed one of the most exciting
sports competitions to be witnessed in our country.
Though our own team was not in the running for the
honours, the 2003 ICC Cricket World Cup has meant a
lot to our society. While the performance of the
Proteas in the competition was disappointing to all
of us, the tournament itself was a resounding
success. I would like to congratulate the
organising committee, under the leadership of Dr
Ali Bacher, on a job well done. You have proven to
the world that, as a nation, we can host major
sporting events successfully. That bodes well for
future bids that we may want to embark upon.
Of course, it's quite regrettable that the
competition was marred by the refusal of England
and New Zealand to play in Zimbabwe and Kenya
respectively. Their fears were confirmed to be
unfounded by those who did, in fact, play at those
venues where the conditions were as secure and,
indeed, as exciting as at any venue in South
Africa.
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The socioeconomic benefits of the Cricket World Cup
have also proven that sport can contribute
significantly to addressing the major challenges
that we face as a country. The consequences of a
huge influx of spectators from abroad has assisted
us as a department and as an institution generally
to address one of the major challenges of our time
in South Africa - that of job creation and poverty
relief. It is estimated that 25 000 foreign
spectators visited our shores to watch the Cricket
World Cup. That translates into almost 4 000 jobs
if what Tourism South Africa tells us about how the
number of foreign visitors translates into jobs is
correct. It proves that sport has a role to play in
pushing back the frontiers of poverty by addressing
the structural fault in our society that the
President of our country alluded to in his state of
the nation address. That fault divides our nation
into two: one modern and relatively well-developed,
and the other underdeveloped and entrenched in
poverty.
We recently hosted a successful conference on
developing a strategy for bidding for and hosting
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major international events. I am happy to confirm
that we reached consensus about approaching the
matter in an orderly fashion to ensure that we
develop the capacity to host larger and more
complex events, to enable us eventually to present
the biggest spectacle of world sports, the Olympic
Games, sometime in the future.
During the conference we committed ourselves to
prioritising the bids to host the 2010 Soccer World
Cup in South Africa, the 2014 Commonwealth Games in
South Africa and the 2020 Olympic Games in our
country. This programme that we consider to be very
realistic will be proposed to Cabinet in the hope
that Cabinet will give it its blessing and, in
doing so, simplify the task of any bidding or
organising committee to do their work.
We have now confirmed our bid to host the 2010
World Cup. The President of our country publicly
expressed his support for the bid during his state
of the nation address and we will make sure that
Government gives all the guarantees that Fifa
requires. This time we are sure that it is Africa's
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turn as Fifa approved the rotation system last
year. Our continent will start that process. South
Africa will be up against Nigeria, Libya, Tunisia,
Egypt and Morocco in the race to host this
competition. While we are quietly confident, we
will not underestimate our African counterparts. I
shall be asking Cabinet for its formal endorsement
of the bid very shortly.
From a departmental perspective, we regard our
Building for Sport and Recreation Project as our
flagship. We are of course concerned that the
latter programme, that is destined to become part
of the municipal infrastructure grant, will lead to
an abrupt end to the facility creation project
because municipalities have many other priorities
on which to deliver. Sports facilities, we have
established, do not feature high up on their
agenda. I will therefore engage my colleagues in
Cabinet in order to retain the project in my
department, failing which I would like to ensure
that, at the very least, an amount is ring-fenced
for facility creation and upgrading to guarantee
that we do not fall further behind on this
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important project that is aimed directly at
improving the quality of life of our citizens.
Of course, our impact extends well beyond the
creation or upgrading of facilities. It also
includes the skills that we transfer to the people
that we give employment to. It makes them more
saleable in the tough job market while the
community sports councils and clubs that we
establish, and empowerment of local councils in
managing the sports facilities that we build,
further contribute to the empowerment initiative.
We also try to foster an entrepreneurial spirit in
the communities in which we build facilities by
encouraging informal trading opportunities where
and when sports events take place. We have also
commenced and will continue to use the project to
make sport's contribution to the process of
symbolic reparation by naming these facilities that
we build and upgrade after fallen heroes in the
areas where we build.
Our Building for Sport and Recreation Project
commands a budget of R129 million in the coming
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financial year. One hundred and thirteen projects
have been identified that will be spread cross the
country as follows: we have given the Western Cape
R8,7 million for 13 facilities; the Eastern Cape
gets R22,8 million for 25 facilities; KwaZulu-Natal
gets R23,1 million for 17 facilities; Mpumalanga
gets R9,9 million for 12 facilities; Gauteng gets
R10,8 million for 10 facilities; Limpopo gets R19,2
million for nine facilities; North West will get
R10,25 million for 10 facilities; Free State gets
R9,6 million for 15 facilities; and the Northern
Cape will get R6,5 million for two facilities. We
will build in communities as diverse as Ngqamakwe,
in the Eastern Cape; Petrus Steyn in the Free
State; Boipatong in Gauteng; Umvoti in KwaZuluNatal; Machado in Mpumalanga; Ga-Segonyana in the
Northern Cape; and Nduli in the Western Cape.
[Applause.]
I would like to implore the provinces and
municipalities involved to ensure that we deliver
timeously on these projects. We must extend the
building phase of the project during which people
in the communities will have access to employment
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which is the primary purpose of this exercise. In
the past, the building phase was squeezed into
three months and that limited the period for
employment. But, we have managed to pay more than 6
500 people an average of R4 500 during the building
phases of these projects over the past two years.
We also launched our Letsema campaign on 3 February
2003 in Cape Town by cleaning up the Langa Stadium,
with generous help from schoolchildren in the
community. We trust that the launch will provide
the impetus for similar efforts in communities
around the country to afford our communities
greater access to participation in sport and
recreation.
Of course, volunteerism is not something new in our
institution because we use volunteers. But sport
could never have survived in this country or
anywhere else in the world without these
volunteers. So the performance of our volunteers
during the Cricket World Cup is a shining example
of the capacity of our people to give generously in
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pursuit of the common good to assist in building
our country.
We have programmes in place to recruit, train and
acknowledge the work of volunteers. We have the SA
Sports Commission and the Sports Coaches Outreach,
or Score, doing sterling work in this regard. I
will endeavour to integrate the activities of these
structures with a view to ensuring unity of purpose
and to align our efforts with those of Government.
The role of the Tourism, Hospitality and Sport
Education Training Authority, and the resources to
which they have access, will also have to be
integrated.
Sport and Recreation in South Africa has been
identified to play a leading role with regard to
implementing a people's contract for moral
regeneration. Our various projects, some of which
are already up and running, are aimed at the youth,
especially those in the high crime nodes identified
by the President.
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The launch of our Young Champions Project took
place in Mamelodi on 18 January this year, to which
we attracted more than 2 000 participants, and
involved a cross section of national, provincial
and community organisations. We will launch this
project again in all the remaining provinces in due
course. The next launch will be this coming
Saturday, 12 April, at Khayelitsha.
The programme is aimed at setting up sustainable
local sports leagues in the areas identified, into
which young people can be drawn with a view not
only to ensuring that they participate in wholesome
sport, but also to enable us to identify talented
players that can be channelled into the competitive
mainstream of sport.
One of the issues that has stood out like a sore
thumb for me during the interventions with
stakeholders in sport and recreation, and also from
my own assessment of the situation, is the lack of
progress with regard to the initiative to ensure
equity for women in the sports dispensation in our
country. On Friday the President referred to this
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during his speech at the Presidential Sports Awards
in Pretoria.
Women and Sport SA, that is Wassa, has had its
flaws, and is currently dormant. I have accordingly
decided to reallocate that responsibility to the
sports commission, with a commissioner having been
identified to champion the cause of women. I've
given them a mandate and clear guidelines and
targets for progressing this important priority of
Government, in which we in sport, once again,
provide a visible face of progress in this regard.
We don't have a proud record of women's
participation in sport. Women representation and
performance, especially that of black women, at the
last Olympic Games left a lot to be desired. It's a
challenge that faces all of us and a challenge that
we hope we can live up to in the future.
I therefore implore our national federations to
address this issue vigorously. It's an integral
part, as I've mentioned before, of the national
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transformation agenda of building a people's
contract for a better South Africa.
I'm also happy to announce to this House that I've
reached an agreement with my colleague the Minister
of Education who has just left now, Prof Kader
Asmal, on school sport. Our respective departments
are working on the details, but in essence we have
agreed that the Department of Education will take
full responsibility for curricular aspects of
sport, including physical education, as well as the
extra-curricular programme of the schools.
My department and provincial departments
responsible for sport, in partnership with the
national and provincial federations, will be
responsible for all competitive and representative
school sport programmes. Moreover, National
Treasury has notified me that from next year on
resources for the Love Life Games will be coordinated through my department. These developments
will go a long way not only towards addressing the
vexing question of school sport resourcing, but
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also ensuring that this important component of
overall sport development is properly aligned.
Friday last week we had the Presidential Sports
Awards where the President added his concerns at
the refusal by certain schools, especially the
former white Model C schools, to introduce soccer
into their sports programmes. I want to issue a
strong warning to such institutions, that are
preventing our children with an interest in soccer
from developing their skills, that I will be coming
down very hard on them. [Applause.]
That brings me to transformation in sport. I've
referred to this many times before, even in this
speech. I've already intimated about the extent to
which sport is a visible reflection of the progress
we are making in transformation in our society
generally. I'm of the view that the image that we
present at the moment, especially in terms of
representivity, is not a good one. While our flags
fly high in the sports arenas of the world,
generate pride and serve as a good marketing tool
for our country, spectators in our country are
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still left confused when our teams charge onto the
field of play about whether it's a team from Europe
or a team from Africa.
Very often European teams are more integrated than
teams from South Africa. Surely, this must be an
indictment against all of us who are committed to a
new South Africa based on inclusiveness, equality
and fairness. The people this side of the House
will never agree to that.
You are well aware of the investigation that we
launched in response to the statement by the UCB on
transformation in sport. The John Smith report on
that commission is open for all to see and
everybody is welcome to look at it. It openly
challenges the assertion of that national
federation on the matter. Indeed, if a federation
such as cricket, that I regard as one of those
having made the most progress in South African
sport with regard to transformation, believes that
it has reached its goals, I shudder to think where
other federations will stand on the matter.
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I hope to launch similar investigations into the
status of representivity in all other sports this
year. The unfinished business that we have with the
UCB and other noncompliant national and provincial
federations on this matter will be concluded,
hopefully very amicably because my Presbyterian
upbringing makes me talk to people in a very
amicable way.
Now that the ICC Cricket World Cup is out of the
way, we will sit down and talk about it. The
transformation agenda will be a priority during my
term of office, and I make no excuses for that. I
remain dedicated to that cause. I will stay
relentless with regard to it. As I've said before,
this matter is non-negotiable and will never be
negotiable. My agenda has never been one of seeking
popularity. Rather, it has been one of contributing
to a national agenda of sport, which must
necessarily be integral to the agenda of the whole
country. If that means I become embattled in terms
of media coverage or in terms of Donald Kleer and
his opposition, I will stand my ground, for I
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believe that it is in the national interest. I will
never compromise on that.
In the same breath, I must add that I've always
been extremely considerate on the matter. As I've
said earlier, I've resisted the pressure and the
urge to legislate on the matter. But my patience is
being stretched to the limit, and I might be forced
in the near future to consider this option very
seriously. I shall be watching the performances of
all national federations that have signed
agreements with me, and I'll watch what they are
doing each and every time.
The transformation charter will be the culmination
of an exercise that is taking us around the
country, consulting with people at grass-roots
level. I have hosted and will be hosting
transformation imbizos in each of the provinces at
their insistence. The turnout at these imbizos has
been very overwhelming and has given me a clear
indication of the will of the people - a will to
which I must and will respond.
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The Ministerial Task Team into High Performance
Sport has progressed beyond reporting stage. The
report will be going straight to Cabinet and has
far-reaching consequences for sport and recreation
in South Africa. At the same time it recommends
that we prioritise sports that can contribute more
substantially to improving our international
performances, in pursuit of more medals and those
that can increase the number of active
participants, by recruiting more and more people.
That is the reason we are giving colours to
federations such as jukskei, because they are
beginning to be a mass-based sport.
The prioritised list, comprising approximately 12
to 15 sports in each category, will receive more
substantial resource allocation from Government,
with a view to ensuring the impact that we expect
of them. Of course, there can never be sufficient
resources for achieving the levels of success that
we would like to see.
In the same context, we have recognised the need
for national federations to be run professionally.
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National federations are the primary delivery
agents for sport in our country. They work at the
coalface. Indeed, some of them are facing serious
problems as a result of divisions and power
struggles within the ranks of administrators in
their structures.
I cannot be expected to react to media speculation
on such issues. When a federation approaches me
with a problem, we sit down and talk about it.
Those that have problems at this stage have
approached me, and we will step in and try and
resolve some of their problems.
However, I want to warn the administrators that
they are not going to get away with murder by
running South African sport the way they like. They
will not get away with murder. You can scream, jump
and do whatever you want, but you will do it the
way we think is right. We are the governing party.
You are not governing this country. We are
governing this country. [Interjections.]
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We've charged the SA Sports Commission to ...
[Interjections.] ... We gave you time during
apartheid and you failed.
We have accordingly charged the SA Sports
Commission to champion the cause of eliminating
some of these problems. The sports commission,
together with the host province Gauteng, hosted the
South African Games in Pretoria last year. Next
year it is the Eastern Cape province that will host
these games, and we hope that budding young stars
will come through in some of these games.
Disabled Sport SA continues to do an excellent job,
producing one world champion after the other. At
the Presidential Sports Awards ceremony last
Friday, two out of five gold and 16 out of 28
silver award winners were disabled sportspeople. We
will therefore continue to invest substantially in
that organisation to ensure returns that we can
see.
The sports trust is also doing very well and has
shifted its focus from being a sports trust for
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equipment and equipping all our sportspeople right
around the country.
We will continue to endeavour to facilitate the
establishment of a national sports academy for the
country. I believe that the absence of such a
structure in our country is one of the shortcomings
that has contributed to the lack of refinement in
our international performances. We will endeavour
to ask the Ministers' Committee on the Budget to
look into this issue of a national academy for
South Africa.
Regarding international relations, we are pursuing
them in line with Government's foreign policy. We
are also looking at the migration of sportspeople
into and out of South Africa.
We are also looking at the usage of performanceenhancing drugs in our sports, and we have seen
that there is an increase in these drugs in certain
sports. And we warn the sports that we will make
sure that this is stamped out once and for all.
Whether the drugs you are using are cannabis or
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recreational drugs, whether your mother has given
them to you, as Shane Warne said, we will implement
a standardised method of dealing with the usage of
drugs in sport. And the first offence for any
offender is a two-year ban from sport.
I'd also like to congratulate the SA Institute for
Drug-Free Sport for the amount of work that they
are doing. Last year they received an ISO 9 000
accreditation, making us one of the foremost
antidoping agencies in the world.
Our Davis Cup team has just won against Poland, and
I'd like to congratulate Kevin Curren and Cavin
Bergman for the team's effort to win.
We are also looking forward to the Rugby World Cup
in Australia towards October, and we hope that
Rudolph Straeuli and his team are preparing for
that.
Lastly, we are also preparing to go to the Africa
Games in Abuja, Nigeria. Our team is in preparation
at the moment. Everything is in order. We will be
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going there to defend our handsome win in 1999 in
South Africa. So Nigeria is waiting for us. And I
wish all our athletes well in what they are doing.
The Presidents Cup is coming up towards the end of
the year. This is the tie of the Presidents Cup
golf, which is coming up at Fancourt in George, and
we hope that most of the members will participate
in it.
Ernie Els was awarded a Presidential Sports Award.
I think everybody here will agree with me that we
should congratulate Ernie for being one of our
leading sportspeople in the country, always flying
the flag for South Africa. [Applause.]
We hope that whatever we do will have the support
of the House. We know that we have the support of
the portfolio committee, Sisi Ruth, Tat' uKgware,
my Ministry, the department and those wonderful
people sitting up there, who make sport what it is,
not exclusionist, such as the people we have on our
left. [Interjections.] Thank you. [Applause.]
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The SPEAKER: Order! hon Minister, will you please
stand while I address you. Blowing whistles is not
only unparliamentary, but may also amount to
contempt. Order! I am considering the matter and
also what penalty, whether you deserve a red card,
a yellow card, or going to the cooler. [Applause.]
All members are however advised that it's not a
precedent, it is unparliamentary and there is no
doubt about that.
Ms N R NTSHULANA-BHENGU: Madam Speaker, hon
members, fellow South Africans, I would like to
thank the officials from Sport and Recreation South
Africa, Boxing South Africa, the Institute for
Drug-Free Sport in South Africa and the South
African Sports Commission for their commitment in
sport.
The ANC supports the Budget Vote. On Friday 4 April
2003 the President hosted another Presidential
Sports Achievement Awards ceremony. We pay tribute
to the sports heroes and all those African sports
personalities like Elizabeth Cameron-Smith, Staff
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Nkala from the Eastern Cape, Mvuzo Mbhebe, Natalie
Du Toit, Beverly Mashinini, Malcolm Pringle, the
late Friday Mavuso and the late Oom Ben Tengimfene,
to name a few.
Some of these recipients are ordinary South
Africans whose contributions in sport were not
motivated by any financial gain but by the love of
their country and sport. Some are already dead, yet
their contribution in sport will live on. We
congratulate the award winners on their
achievements and thank the sport federations that
nominated them. We acknowledge the role played by
the international sports bodies in bringing
apartheid to an end.
We also salute the worthy contributions of the
former nonracial sports bodies like Sanroc and the
NSC and others to ensuring the isolation of
apartheid sports as well as their contribution in
the destruction of apartheid.
We pay tribute to the countless sport
administrators and players who played a pioneering
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role in building nonracial unity in sport while
apartheid propagated racist policies in sport.
Today we want to acknowledge the sentiments
expressed by the South African public to the effect
that South African sport is dying. We understand
this feeling, which is mostly based on the poor
performance of our teams and athletes, particularly
in international competitions. This is a matter
that South Africa needs to work on to improve our
performance. We also want to highlight that there
is also a positive side.
The tide has turned and a lot has been achieved
since 1994. The vision of the South African Sports
Commission is to lead South Africa to world-class
sporting excellence. In pursuance of this vision,
the SA Sports Commission seeks to create a nation
of world-class sportsmen and sportswomen by
improving the opportunities for all South Africans
to participate in sport and recreation. The sports
commission has the responsibility of ensuring that
the management, promotion and co-ordination of our
sport is administered with excellence. In mass
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participation, the sports commission is reviving
and promoting indigenous games in South Africa and
beyond.
Within this year's budget, the SA Sports Commission
will publish a manual on indigenous games that
addresses standardised indigenous games, and one of
the indigenous games, ncuva, is being computerised.
Two hundred and thirty indigenous game facilitators
have been trained in all nine provinces. These
facilitators will provide further training in the
provinces. This is a clear indication that we are
on the right course in the area of skills
development and promotion of excellence in sport
and recreation.
South Africa is making progress in establishing a
network of indigenous games with Zone 6 countries
and beyond, and we will host an indigenous games
festival between 4 and 6 September 2003. South
Africa will also participate in the TAFISA
traditional games in Montreal, Canada, in July
2003.
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We commend the SA Sports Commission for taking up
the challenge of promoting indigenous games, which
was sharply raised by the President in his 2001
state of the nation address.
The SA Sports Commission has also made steady
progress with regard to recreation. A national walk
will be held in August 2003. Aerobics instructors
who will run aerobics classes for the communities
have been trained in three provinces: North West,
Eastern Cape and Gauteng. Progress has also been
made in facilitating the participation of the
previously disadvantaged in the World Gymnastrada
that will take place in Portugal between 20 and 26
July 2003.
In making certain that South Africa participates in
international and major national events, the SA
Sports Commission has a programme of identifying
talented athletes in order to ensure that South
African teams are fully representative. It also
provides access to scientific support, training and
life-skills development services, as well as
ensuring a supportive social environment in order
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to increase the number of medals and test matches
won by South Africa.
This year, the focus of South Africa is on the All
Africa Games. The SA Sports Commission has already
enlisted 16 accredited service provider
institutions in sport science as part of the
campaign for the All Africa Games. Two hundred and
fifty athletes have benefited from this programme;
sport science centres in rural areas such as those
in Fort Hare and Limpopo have very basic equipment.
Therefore, there is a need for improving centres in
the rural areas.
On high performance sport, there is restructuring
of services and financial allocation to elite
athletes. Services rendered by service providers to
athletes and national federations are monitored.
The SA Sports Commission has also established a
life-skills infrastructure to address the general
welfare of South African elite athletes and their
support teams. Facilitators trained by the SA
Sports Commission will implement this project in
the provincial academies of sport. The modules for
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this project will be developed by the SA Sports
Commission and will cover, among others cover:
financial schemes, HIV/Aids, touring skills, legal
contracts and conflict resolution.
A multicoded athlete association will be
established by April 2004. SASSU is assisting with
the scientific preparation of athletes who will be
competing in the World Student Games in Korea in
August 2003.
The Minister of Sport and Recreation, hon Ngconde
Balfour, is spearheading the establishment of a
national sports academy. Provincial SA sports
academies have been allocated R1 million each.
Eight of the nine academies have appointed academy
managers. An academy of sport blueprint has been
finalised. The blueprint stipulates how academies
should be run. Only 15% of the allocated R100
million can be used for administration and 85%
should be committed to programmes on the ground.
Provincial departments of sports must play a
leading role in ensuring that the academies are
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given the necessary support and are adequately
resourced. Satellite academies and mobile centres
should be established in all regions, especially in
the rural areas. All children that compete must
have gone through these academies.
We have made our mark in bidding for the hosting of
the Olympic Games and the Soccer World Cup 2006. We
are bidding again for hosting the 2010 Soccer World
Cup. We urge all South Africans to support our 2010
Soccer World Cup Bid.
South Africa has competed with reasonable success
in international competitions by developing world
standards. Our Minister of Sport and Recreation is
serving in the World Anti-doping Agency. South
Africa has been awarded the regional office of the
World Anti-doping Agency to look after Africa. That
relates very well to the African Renaissance
programme. We appeal for patience, commitment and
co-operation. We are on the right course.
Sithi asincome igalelo labanye abantu bakithi
abazinikele nababambe iqhaza ekuthuthukiseni
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ezimidlalo emazingeni aphansi. EMgungundlovu
singabala umnumzane uMoses Ndimande. UNdimande
uqeqesha intsha yase-Edendale, yaseMbali neyaseAshdown emdlalweni wethenisi. Lokhu ukwenza
engabheke nkokhelo, eqoqa intsha eyivimba ukuthi
ingangenwa ubugebengu, ukuphuza utshwala nokubhema
izidakamizwa. Ndimande kaMdladla, sithi uyibekile
induku ebandla!
Sibonga umsebenzi owenziwa uJomo Sono ngegalelo
lokusiza abanegciwane likagawulayo. UJomo wanikela
ngendawo ayeyithengele iJomo Cosmos. Le ndawo
isetshenziswa ukugcina izingane ezinegciwane
likagawulayo. MfokaSono, usugogodile
kwezokuthuthukisa umphakathi. INingizimu Afrika
idinga amadoda afana nawe. Kwande lapho othathe
khona Mjomane! [Ihlombe.] (Translation of Zulu
paragraphs follows.)
[We commend the role that is being played by some
of our people who are dedicating themselves and
playing a crucial role in developing sports at the
lower levels. In Pietermaritzburg we can mention
Moses Ndimande, who trains the youth from Edendale,
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Mbali and Ashdown in tennis. He does this without
expecting any payment, keeping the youth from
partaking in criminal activities, drinking alcohol
and using drugs. Ndimande, the son of Mdladla, you
have helped a lot!
We commend Jomo Sono's role of helping those that
are affected and infected by HIV/Aids. He
contributed the land that was originally bought for
Jomo Cosmos to these people. This place is used for
the safekeeping of the children who are affected by
HIV/Aids. Jomo, the son of Sono, you are a veteran
in developing the community. May you be blessed
with a lot more, Mjomane! [Applause.]]
Gert Viljoen is the principal of Hope School for
the Disabled. His school runs a special golf
programme where pupils with disabilities are
trained and coached in golf. Nkosi Mashinini and
Felicia Ntuli are products of this initiative. We
applaud this initiative. Its relevance is in
profiling sport for disabled people in South
Africa.
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These initiatives are a demonstration of what cooperation between Government, community and private
sector institutions can achieve. The ANC supports
this budget. I thank you. [Applause.]
The SPEAKER: Hon members, I wish to recognise and
acknowledge the presence amongst us of the Women's
Caucus of the SADC Parliamentary Forum. [Applause.]
They are meeting here. You are most welcome in the
South African Parliament.
Mr T D LEE: Madam Speaker, our Constitution
contains a Bill of Rights. It is designed to ensure
that every South African can achieve their full
potential. But the ANC has taken this right away
from us.
The relationship between South Africans and sport
is unbreakable. Sport is our love and it is our
passion. Our teams are built around our heroes people like Jomo Sono, Chester Williams and Morné
du Plessis, who I recognise in the gallery.
[Interjections.] Their success is mirrored in our
pride, their failure in our despair. Through sport
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we have learnt to battle one other and emerge
united, and to take on the world and emerge
victorious. It is a common goal towards which we
all strive, and a single triumph through which we
all celebrate.
Sadly, the ANC has taken this away from us. The ANC
has taken away the common sense of belonging. It
has taken away a shared sense of achievement. The
ANC has taken away everything that was achieved in
1994, and has turned our sport into a racial
battleground where our best are undermined and our
talent goes unrewarded. In short, the ANC has taken
away our true potential.
Under the ANC our sport is no longer about what we
can achieve, or what we can take pride in. Under
the ANC, sport has become a political tool. The ANC
has replaced development with quotas, and it has
replaced merit with race. Who are we? We are no
better off now than we were under apartheid.
[Interjections.]
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What was the struggle against apartheid, if not the
struggle to be treated as equals? Under the ANC
there are no equals - there is only black and
white. The ANC has systematically warped our
ideals. It has done so without regard for public
opinion. It has done so without consultation with
our players and administrators, and it has done so
without regard for the consequences.
In 1997 the late Steve Tshwete said: ``There is
going to be interference by Government in every
sphere of life in South Africa, including sport.''
Interference is simply another word for the ANC's
political agenda of transformation. By prioritising
racial sensitivity and representivity ahead of
talent and ability, the ANC has shifted our
sporting emphasis away from being the best, towards
being the most demographically representative.
The ANC has turned South African sport into a
racial numbers game. It has moved the emphasis away
from the development of our up-and-coming talent.
You cannot fast-track an entire generation. As in
every area of life, sporting success requires
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talent, dedication, opportunity and time. These are
hallmarks of success; if they are bypassed you only
succeed in taking away a person's full potential.
But the ANC has taken away much more than this. By
constantly undermining our sporting institutions,
the ANC has taken away the autonomy of this
country's sporting bodies and imposed its will at
every level.
In January last year the Minister of Sport, the hon
Ngconde Balfour, called on Sarfu to appoint a coach
who will make the transformation of rugby his first
priority. In other words, the ANC called on an
independent sporting body, in the form of the South
African Rugby Football Union, to set aside the
emphasis on winning and to concentrate on
implementing the ANC's political programme of
transformation. How can any young rugby player
aspire to be a Springbok when the Springboks
themselves have been instructed not to aspire to be
the best? [Interjections.]
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The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Hon Lee,
please take your seat. Hon member, are you rising
on a point of order?
Mr N J GOGOTYA: Yes, I am.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: What is your point
of order?
Mr N J GOGOTYA: The hon member has mentioned the
ANC almost 11 times, and has not said anything
about his party, the DA. That is what he is
intending ... [Inaudible.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon M J Ellis?
Mr M J ELLIS: May I address you on that point of
order? That man over there, that hon member,
constantly raises these rather stupid points of
order, and I am asking you that we don't appreciate
it. That type of point of order has been raised
now. It was not a point of order before. It is
certainly an attempt to try and discredit the hon
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member at the podium. I urge you, Mr Chair, to take
action against the hon member.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Gogotya, that is
not a point of order. Mr Lee, please continue.
Mr T D LEE: I thank you, Chairperson. Again last
year the Minister of Sport intervened directly and
overruled the UCB's decision ... [Interjections.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Order! Let me
have order in the House. Mr Ellis, your member is
at the podium, can we give him an opportunity to be
heard?
Mr M J ELLIS: What about the hon Minister? Was he
allowed?
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Lee, please
continue.
Mr T D LEE: Again last year the Minister of Sport
intervened directly and overruled the UCB's
decision to scrap the quota system, despite the UCB
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having met targets, agreed to by the Department of
Sport, and a long and exhaustive consultation
process. The ANC has taken away our right to strive
to be the best. This is the consequence of
transformation and political interference.
[Interjections.]
In March last year the President said: ``For two to
three years let's not mind losing international
competitions, because we are bringing our people
into these teams.''
Who are ``our people'', Mr President? Do ``our
people'' not have the same aspirations and
standards as every other sporting nation? Did ``our
people'' not fight evils like apartheid for the
right to be the best they can be? Who is the ANC to
take that right away from them? When the president
of the ANC and the Head of State sends out the
message that our sporting teams must be prepared to
lose, how can we then take the ANC seriously when
they say they stand behind a national side? When
President Mbeki wishes the Proteas good luck, or Mr
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Ngconde Balfour dons a Bafana Bafana top, how can
we take them seriously?
We can't. Because, quite simply, the ANC does not
have, and never has had, South Africa's best
sporting interests at heart. Mr Minister, I think
it is said that the bigger they are, the harder
they fall. The time has come for you to go, Mr
Minister. Here is your red card. [Laughter.]
The ANC is trying to take away our right to dream it is trying to take away our right to aspire to
great things, but it will fail. The ANC will fail
because it is wrong. It will fail because South
Africa's sporting pride exists outside of the ANC.
Ultimately, Chairperson, South Africa's sporting
passion is something the ANC can never take away
from us. I thank you.
Mr I Z NCINANE: Sihlalo namalungu ahloniphekileyo
... [Chairperson and hon members ... ]
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... executive members of the various sports
federations, particularly the executive members of
the SA Rugby Football Union, and my colleagues ...
... hayi madoda nani boomama andifuni kuchith'
ixesha ngale ndoda isuka apha. Kuba le ndoda ityiwa
ngumvandedwa wezinto ababe kade bezenza,
bengaphumeleli. Seyincekelele nje ukuba
sisithunzela sala madoda ayombelelayo.
[Kwaqhwatywa](Translation of Xhosa paragraph
follows.)
[... ladies and gentlemen, no, I do not want to
waste time with this man who has just departed from
here, because he is being pestered by a guilty
conscience about the things they used to do,
without success. He just perseveres in being an
apparition for the men who sing for him.
[Applause.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Ncinane, please
take your seat.
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Mr K M ANDREW: On a point of order: Is the hon
member allowed to address the House without taking
off his prison uniform? [Interjections.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Ncinane, please
take your seat.
Hon members, I want to warn you against spurious
points of order. [Interjections.] This is the
second one this afternoon. I want to ask you to
please avoid raising spurious points of order.
[Interjections.]
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Chairperson,
I rise to address you on a point of order. The hon
member Ken Andrews ...
An HON MEMBER: Ken Andrew.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Yes, the hon
Ken Andrew made this particular statement. He
passed a particular comment about the hon member at
the podium, Comrade Ncinane.
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What he mentioned is unparliamentary in the sense
that it casts aspersions on the standing and
stature of the hon member speaking. We ask you to
look into that question, and to rule accordingly.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Andrew ...
[Interjections.] Can I address that point of order
first? Mr Seremane, we will come back to you.
Mr Andrew, you did cast an aspersion on the
integrity of the hon member. Can you please
withdraw.
Mr K M ANDREW: Sir, I withdraw.
Mr W J SEREMANE: Chairperson, according to your
ruling, no spurious points of order should be made.
I stand up on a very valid point of order: That of
casting aspersions on the opposition, in the sense
that it is denigratory to say others are impundulus
[fabulous birds] or some such thing. [Laughter.]
What it means - I don't remember the exact word is isithunzela, meaning they are just like dummies
... [Laughter] ... or like zombies. It is actually
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an insult, and casts aspersions on people's
integrity.
This august building of ours consists of the ruling
party and elected members of the opposition party
exercising their constitutional rights and they
need not be denigrated for fulfilling that
responsibility.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon members, I will
look at what the hon member said, and give a
ruling.
Please continue, hon Ncinane.
Mnu I Z NCINANE: Ndiphakama apha ndihalalisela,
ndincoma uMphathiswa wezeMidlalo noLonwabo ngenxa
yenkqubela ayenzileyo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku. Ndiza
kukhe, ke Mhlali-ngaphambili, ndibubeke ecaleni
ubu`Ncinane' bam, sithethe kakuhle nala madoda
nabantu bonke baseMzantsi Afrika.
Kukho abantu abambalwa, ngeliny' ixesha abaninzi,
abahamba betyala uthuthu ezinweleni zabantu
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baseMzantsi Afrika, betyala nentshongo emehlweni
kunye nomsizi omnyama, besithi `ezemidlalo eMzantsi
Afrika zihamba kancinane xa zithelekiswa namanye
amazwe', yabe ke noko ngentetho entle yesixhosa
bubuvuvu obo. Asiyiyo inyani.
Njengoko nisazi nonke bantu baseMzantsi Afrika,
abakhoyo nabangekhoyo apha, okokuba uMzantsi Afrika
uvela kwixesha elide lobandlululo. Namhlanje simi
apha ke, singu-ANC, sithetha nabantu bonke sisithi
mabasinike ithuba elaneleyo khon' ukuze bakwazi,
kwixesha elizayo, ukusithelekisa nenkqubela yamanye
amazwe. (Translation of Xhosa paragraphs follows.)
[Mr I Z NCINANE: I rise to congratulate and commend
the Minister of Sport and Recreation for the
progress he has made up to now. I am going to put
aside the fact that I am Ncinane for us to talk
nicely to these guys and all the people of South
Africa.
There are a few people, sometimes many, who go
about planting ash in the hair of the people of
South Africa, smearing the eyes with pipe oil and
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black soot, saying, ``sport, in South Africa,
progresses slowly in comparison to other
countries'', and that, put in beautiful isiXhosa,
is rubbish. It is not true.
As you know, all of you people of South Africa who
are present here and those who are not here, South
Africa comes from a long period of segregation.
Today we, as the ANC, stand here, talking to all
the people, saying they must give us sufficient
chance so that, in future, they can compare us with
other countries, in terms of development.]
It must be understood that the changes that we have
just undergone in South Africa, of having sport
commissions and sport academies, were Australian
models, and the equalisation of sport between
Australia and South Africa is a process, not an
event. Our Minister and his department are trying
their best to emulate Australia. We have made a
tremendous improvement. I am delighted to repeat
what Nozabelo Ntshulana-Bhengu has said at this
podium, namely that the South African academies
have been started by our Department of Sport and
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Recreation and the many sports academies were
started on a small scale by the then National
Sports Council in 1997. Because the National Sports
Council was an NGO, they only managed to raise R500
000 for each of the few provinces that were
experiencing the establishment of sports academies.
A few months ago, a good, reasonable and
progressive Minister decided to give R1 million for
each provincial sport academy, which is very good
and remarkable for this country. [Applause.]
Australia started their sports science institutes
many years ago in 1973, and their sports science
institutes exceed 11 in total. That means it
happened over 30 years ago. That is difficult to
compare. They put R5 million into each provincial
academy. They do not hesitate, because of their
financial muscle, to contract coaches from outside
Australia and use them effectively for their
various teams. That is why their financial support
has put them in the news today.
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Ukukhuphisana kwabo kuqala ngokuba kuqheliswane
kwiminyaka emithandathu. Soloko beyenza ke loo nto.
Abazange bavuke kusasa babe sele belilizwe
eliphumeleleyo, njengoko nisithi nifuna sivuke
kusasa sibe sele sililizwe eliphumeleleyo. Yaye ke
bakwazile ukubeka ilizwe labo emapini
ngokusebenzisa ezemidlalo. Yiyo loo nto besoloko
besezindabeni kwezemidlalo, ngokunjalo nelizwe
labo. Ii`Straight out highlanders' zabo, ngamany'
amazwi amaziko abo emveli kwezemidlalo (indegenous
sport structures) afakwa kakhulu imali,
kangangeminyaka engamashumi amathathu eyadlulayo.
(Translation of Xhosa paragraph follows.)
[Their competition starts with training each other
for six years. They always do that. They did not
wake up one morning and were suddenly a successful
nation. They were then able to put their country on
the map through sport. That is why they and their
country are always in the news. Their straight
highlanders, in other words, their indigenous
structures, have been heavily immensely financed
for the past 30 years.]
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Their women's and gender programme is visible, in
so far as it can be compared to ours, but the fact
is that the best ambassador for sport in Australia
is Cathy who runs 400m races. It means that South
Africa is on the ladder and we are getting there,
without any doubt. We are not apologetic about
setting up standards and choosing Australia as an
example, because we want to be of that world-class
standard.
Our economic situation needs to improve, but in
order to redress these imbalances, I want to call
today on the officials of Sport and Recreation SA,
particularly those that are involved in sports
commissions, to pull up their socks and improve on
what they are doing by raising funds, because the
reason that we have agreed on the Australian Sports
Commission and the South African Sports Commission
is the matter of fundraising.
We want to request, in good spirit, the sponsors of
this country to stop sponsoring big sports like
rugby, cricket and athletics. There are small codes
of sports in rural areas that need to be given a
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chance in terms of sponsorship, because they are
also customers and supporters of these big
companies. [Applause.]
Following the twinning of provinces of Australia to
our provincial departments of sport in South
Africa, the Australian volunteers throughout the
country have enabled us to be on a progressive
better business delivery footing. The school
structure in Australia is able to fully support the
school structures that belong to their department
of education. This is what the Minister has tried
to do in the agreement with the Minister of
Education, the ever-ready Kader Asmal. [Laughter.]
The schools are service providers of all
federations we are setting up.
I appeal, in conclusion, to everybody in South
Africa to rally behind sport, to be a united force
and somehow put aside our cheap political pointscoring and support sports as South Africans. Sport
is the only activity that we can use to unite and
speak with one voice. We need to finalise
broadcasting policies, because disjointed
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broadcasters in our country are not like paid
television and free-to-air television in Australia
that are complementing each other all the time so
that even a listener and a supporter in
Keiskammahoek is able to watch TV without further
payment.
Ndiyacela ke malungu ale ntlanganiso nabathandi
bezemidlalo abakhoyo apha okokuba sikhe siyeke
ukudlalisa, sithabathe ezemidlalo ngokuzimisela
ngoba ndicela umgeni kuwo onke amasebe akhoyo, Mnu
uChief Whip of the Majority Party neNdlu iphela
okokuba akukho sebe elisogqithayo sili Sebe
leZemidlalo noLonwabo ngokubonisa ngezorhwebo zeli
lizwe kumanye amazwe ... (Translation of Xhosa
paragraph follows.)
[I therefore request members of this Assembly and
sport lovers who are present here, that we stop
playing and take sport seriously, because I
challenge all the present departments, Mr Chief
Whip of the Majority Party as well as the entire
House, that there is no department which surpasses
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us as Sport and Recreation SA in marketing this
country in other countries ...]
... so that our international relations are good.
They can only be good because of sport, and the
other departments can follow the leader, that is,
Sport and Recreation SA.
With those few words, let South African sportsmen
and sportswomen, through our co-operation, take
their rightful place in the world. With those few
words, if at all they are few, I wish to express my
thanks for the support of everybody in the
department, the portfolio committee and everybody
else. Let us continue to do that until the cows
come back home to the kraals. [Applause.]
Mr B W DHLAMINI: Chairperson, hon members and
Ministers, confident people who have clear goals in
life and see a future for themselves, tend to make
life choices that are healthy and less risky,
whereas people who feel trapped in a spiral of
hopelessness tend to pay less attention to the
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future and are more likely to adopt risky
lifestyles.
The aim of Sport and Recreation is to improve the
quality of life of all South Africans by promoting
participation in sports and recreation in the
country and through the participation of South
African sportspersons and teams in international
sporting events. Therefore Sport and Recreation
should be treated in our budget process as one line
function that is important in improving our lives.
The role that sport and recreation plays in our
daily lives can be summed up as follows: Firstly,
sport is a tool for rehabilitation in Correctional
Services. Sport as an activity in Correctional
Services meaningfully occupies the mind of a
prisoner, thus also removing harmful thoughts aimed
at hurting other people, and making them become
sociable citizens.
Secondly, sport plays a part in promoting healthy
lifestyles. Sport is a powerful ailment remedy that
can prevent and possibly heal most sicknesses like
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stress, hypertension and heart disease, etc.
Therefore, it is not only an extramural activity,
but should be part of life.
Thirdly, there is sport and education. School sport
is a primary component of the Government initiative
to popularise sport and recreation amongst the
youth. Sport helps to engender positive
socialisation among children, to understand that
even as players they are competing opponents. A
spirit of cordiality and socialisation therefore
prevails.
Sport plays a role in the struggle against
discrimination of disabled persons. The integration
of disabled persons in sport brings back the
personality and dignity a disabled person might
think she or he has lost. It boosts the self-esteem
of the disabled person.
With regard to sport and Africa's rediscovery, or
Nepad the All Africa Games in Nigeria later this
month should demonstrate Africa's preparedness to
pull together through Nepad and the AU and become a
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significant player in global issues, bringing back
Africanness that was wished away by colonisation.
Sports display a very positive angle of the African
people and provide for peaceful competition among
nations.
The IFP therefore wishes to state, Minister, that
sport and recreation should not be treated as a
twilight zone. It is part and parcel of our whole
as a country. We relate to health, we relate to
sports, we relate to foreign affairs. Therefore, in
the budgetary process it should not be treated as a
twilight issue, but as a line function that is
important in marketing our country.
The IFP wishes to compliment the SA Institute for
Drug-Free Sport for adopting stricter measures to
emphasise that drug use in sports should not be the
norm. This institution, through its subprogramme,
exceeded its target, which indicates serious
business. But we should emphasise that
sportspersons may need to be workshopped by medical
sport experts or practitioners on drugs to take and
not to take for fitness. Even ordinary energy
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boosters can contain elements, or ingredients,
tantamount to disqualification on testing, and this
must clearly be conveyed to sportspersons.
It is also noted that the department has
transferred a large portion of its budget to
sporting federations and that the monitoring of the
use of such funding is efficient, given that 74
federations were watched closely. It should,
however, be pointed out that nondependence on state
funding of the federations should be encouraged as
no federation should of necessity rely on state
funding for its survival.
The department's intervention prevented the
exclusion of the South African team from the
Commonwealth Games due to the lack of significant
sponsorship. This is highly appreciated as it would
have killed the sportsmanship of the team and its
morale. Perhaps all the sporting codes should make
it compulsory to make sure that they raise the
necessary sponsorship so that we do not lose out on
participating in international events.
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The department is also complimented here on playing
a role in promoting HIV/Aids awareness through the
``Play Safe'' campaign. The department has to be
complimented on Programme 3, which has embarked on
55 projects countrywide in the 2001-02 financial
year. This consisted of the upgrading of 37 sports
facilities and the building of 18 new ones. There
are also 85 new projects in the 2002-03 budget that
were supposed to have been completed at the end of
March 2003.
Kodwa Ngqongqoshe, ngesintu ngifisa ukusho lapha
ukuthi njengoba kuwumgomo kahulumeni ukuwandisa
ukungena kwabantu emidlalweni, lezi zinkundla
zezemidlalo ziyakhiwa ezindaweni, ikakhulukazi
emadolobheni, kodwa ezindaweni zasemakhaya
azakhiwa. Emadolobheni nakhona lapho kunenkinga
yokuthi azisebenziseki ngenxa yokuthi omasipala
babiza imali enkulu evimba abantu ukuba
bazisebenzise. Ngakho-ke sizocela ukuthi okungenani
imali engena kwimifelandawonye akube yiyo eya
esetshenziselwe ukusingatha izinkundla zemidlalo.
[Kwaphela isikhathi.] (Translation of Zulu
paragraph follows.)
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[But, hon Minister, I wish to say in Zulu that it
is the Government's policy to increase the number
of people who join sport, and sports facilities are
being built in some areas, like the urban areas,
but they are not being built in the rural areas.
Even in the urban areas there is a problem of
accessing these facilities because municipalities
charge a lot of money for using them. This prevents
people from using these facilities. Therefore, we
would like to ask that the money that goes to
federations should be used to run these sports
facilities.]
I thank you. [Time expired.]
Mr S SIMMONS: Chairperson, when we look back at the
past financial year, 2002-03, what do we see? We
see that the programmes implemented by the Ministry
of Sport and Recreation have to a great extent been
successful. It has worked. If we look at sport in
general, we see the promising and talented young
sports players of all race groups coming through
the various sporting codes to prove themselves at
the highest level of sports participation.
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Look at rugby, for example. Having gone through
various national age group levels, namely from
under 13 to under 21, the following young and
talented players represented South Africa at the
last Under 21 Rugby World Cup, which they won,
namely Enrico January, Ashwin Willemse and Hanyani
Shimange, to name but a few. At present they are
busy distinguishing themselves at the Super 12
rugby level, soon to become household names in
South Africa. They are the new role models for our
youth and up-and-coming young rugby players. The
same can be said about cricket, soccer, swimming
and athletics.
Yes, the Ministry has been successful in their
implementation of the various programmes. It is
also true that the Ministry of Sport and Recreation
wanted to do much more as far as provision of
facilities in areas of our disadvantaged and
marginalised communities, where the need is at its
worst, is concerned. Our youth need more
opportunities and providing facilities is one way
to address these needs so that our youth can also
reach their optimum development in sport.
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The New NP has already expressed their support for
scrapping quotas when selecting the Springbok rugby
team. The New NP wants to recommend that the
Ministry also consider the scrapping of quotas when
selecting the South African teams in respect of
cricket, athletics and swimming. And I have noted
what you said, hon Minister, in this regard.
The New NP also supports the Ministry's view that
the economic potential of the sport and recreation
sector for the country is significant; that Sport
and Recreation South Africa, together with the
Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism,
are envisaging the international marketing of local
sport events, the bidding for international sport
events such as the Soccer World Cup and the Olympic
Games as well as supporting the National Sports
Federation to bid for the hosting of major
international events. And, again, we noted what you
said in this regard, Minister.
Hierdie optredes, indien suksesvol, sal nie net
alleen die Republiek van Suid Afrika as 'n
sportaanbieder-mecca bekend maak nie, maar sal
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bydra dat broodnodige valuta wat dit tot gevolg sal
hê, die land invloei. Dit sal lei tot meer
werkskepping en sal die hoë armoede wat ons tans in
die land ondervind tot 'n mate aanspreek.
(Translation of Afrikaans paragraph follows.)
[These actions, if successful, will not only put
South Africa on the map as a sports presenters'
mecca, but also contribute to the concomitant
essential revenue it would generate flowing into
the country. This will lead to greater job creation
and to some extent address the high levels of
poverty that we are currently experiencing in the
country.]
The New NP has taken cognisance, with appreciation,
of the increased amount of R58 460 000 on the
previous Budget Vote of 2002-03. The bulk of the
budgeted Vote amount for the 2003-04 financial
year, which is R225 762 000, will be for the
transfer of payments that will include capital
transfers to local authorities for provision of
facilities, or the upgrading thereof. These
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transfer payments will make up 83% of the 2003-04
budget.
Can the hon Minister indicate what mechanisms are
in place to ensure that the funds made available to
municipalities are used for the purpose for which
they have been approved? The increase in funding
for Programme 2: Funding, Policy and Liaison, from
R16 264 000 in the 2002-03 year to R18 137 000 in
the present financial year will enable Sport and
Recreation South Africa to provide funds to the
South African Sports Commission, the South African
Institute for Drug-Free Sport and others to
continue with their important functions.
The New NP supports the Vote. [Time expired.]
Ms D M MOROBI: Chairperson, hon Minister, Deputy
Ministers, members of Parliament, ladies and
gentlemen, in this year of united action to push
back the frontiers of poverty, the youth of our
country should be persuaded to rely on their own
productive efforts, and be engaged in sports to
secure a better life for themselves and others. Our
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success will depend upon creating a moral society,
a conducive environment and access to information
about sports facilities. A young person is vibrant,
energetic, and developing in age, conduct and
character. In South Africa the term ``youth'' has a
range of different meanings. The youth are regarded
as violent, unruly, undisciplined and
underdeveloped.
These negative definitions were a contributory
factor to the launch of the moral regeneration
campaign in 2002, focusing directly on the rebirth
of the character of young men and young women. We
urge young people to take the opportunity offered
through the provision of facilities by
participating in sports.
Ka dilemo tse telele dipapadi di ne di bapalwa
bakeng sa ho intsha bodutu, jwalo ka diketo,
morabaraba, kgati, sekotjhe le tse ding. Re leboha
mmuso wa rona wa ANC oo ka ona ho ileng ha hlaka
hore bophelo bo botle ho bohle bo ka phahama bakeng
sa dipapadi tsa mefuta yohle. Le ho totobatsa hore
merabe yohle ena le bokgoni ba ho bapala dipapadi
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kaofela. le hoja mmuso wa kgethollo o ne o etsa eka
tse ding tsa dipapadi ke tsa ba baSweu feela.
(Translation of Sotho paragraph follows.)
[For many years, games such as diketo, morabaraba,
kgati, sekotjhe and others were played for
entertainment. We thank our ANC Government, through
which it has become clear that everybody's health
can improve in different kinds of games, and we
want to stress that people of all races can play
all games, despite the fact that the apartheid
regime behaved as if some games were for white
people only.]
Chairperson, we welcome the launch of the
indigenous games in 2001. There are co-ordinators
of indigenous games in all the nine provinces. As a
result, there are more indigenous games coming out
of the launch of the indigenous games. Young women
and young men with disabilities need specific
support and assistance to ensure that they have
adequate access to opportunities to participate
fully in sports and also by removing a disabling
attitude and creating an accessible environment. We
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urge our sports federation to play a proactive role
in making certain that sport for the disabled
receives attention. We commend athletes like Zanele
Situ, Natalie du Toit and others for their
dedication and achievement in sport despite their
disability and urge others to emulate their
example.
In rural areas the youth are often more
disadvantaged than those in urban areas. They have
less access to opportunities of being involved in
sports and recreation. The young people of South
Africa were at a certain point frustrated by a
shortage of availability of sports facilities in
rural areas. We take this opportunity to urge our
sports federations to address the imbalance between
the urban and the rural communities.
The broader scope of our youth indulgence in sports
and recreation contributes to personal health and
improved wellbeing. Sport instills creative
independence and personal discipline and also plays
a distinctive role in our communities by
strengthening social relations.
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The involvement of young women and young men in
sports redresses other issues of concern that may
hamper the development of our country like crime,
poverty and unemployment. Young women and young men
should not have idle minds as idle minds resort to
crimes such as gang violence, theft, murder and
substance abuse.
An integrated track group was established in
January 2001 in the Western Cape to implement the
first phase of the strategy. More than 250 suspects
were arrested in connection with gang violence,
including 14 arrests for murder, 10 for attempted
murder and 11 for rape. Most of these crimes were
committed by young persons who should have spent
time in activities for sports and recreation.
We are grateful for the making of sports pioneers
to move us in action. As the ANC we have championed
the creation of leadership manufacturers of the
Ngcondes and Tshwetes of tomorrow. This happens in
Junior Dipapadi for the age group 3 years to 14
years and supersport for 3 to 16 years, to
introduce the variety of sporting codes through
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play at beginners' level. This is to promote
physical activities and to enhance self-image.
Schoolchildren are engaged in playing sports that
provide the motor skills of throwing, kicking, ball
control and tracking. Junior Dipapadi had a
workshop where all provincial co-ordinators were
trained to implement programmes in the provinces.
We also appreciate the launch of the South African
National Recreation Council which was launched in
February 1996. Young women and young men are
involved in health recreational facilities
specifically to rehabilitate our youth in prisons
and to offer life-skills to the homeless children,
that is, the street children.
Modulasetulo, ona molaetsa o eya ho Letona ka
sebele sa hae. Letona, moo ke dulang teng Bophelong
kwana porovenseng ya Gauteng, ho na le sehlopha sa
banana ba bolo ya maoto. Ba ipitsa Bophelong
ladies' football club. Ke ile ka buisana le
mokwetlisi wa bona matsatsing ana a fetileng eleng
Monghadi Jabu Khoza. Sehlopha sena se thehilwe ka
1994 mme, se na le bokgoni bo makatsang. Tse ding
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tsa bopaki ke tsena tse latelang Monghadi Ngconde
Balfour: Ba fumane dikgau tse 18. ke bahlodi ba
sejana sa Godfrey Moloi. Ba hlgotse dipapading tsa
Halala Cup bakeng sa lebatoa la Vaal. Ho bona mono
sebapadi se seng mono ke Rose Ntjane ya bapallang
Banyana Banyana. Sehlopha sena se na le tlhoko ya
disebsdiswa tsa dipapadi tsa papadi ena ya cdbona
ya bolo.
Ba hloka diaparo tsa ho bapala, ba hloka dibolo, ba
hloka tse ding tse ngata tseo ba di sebedisang
bakeng sa papadi ena ya bona. Ka hoo, ba etsa
boipiletso ho letona hore mohlong a ka kgona hore a
ba elellwe a tsebe ho ba thusa. Le hona mono
lekoetjheneng leno le lenyenyane la Bophelong, ho
na le batjha ba bang hape ba ntseng ba bapala Korf
ball. Le hoja Korf ball e se papadi e tummeng
hakaalo. Empa ka hare ho lekoetjhene leno le leng
Bophelong Vanderbuijl Park, porovenseng ya Gauteng,
di teng dibapadi tsa Korf ball. Ka hoo tsena
kaofela dihlopha tse pedi tsena ha ke ne ke buisana
le tsona ba ile ba re kgele mme mmaMorobi ha ele
moo o le kwa palamenteng, hobaneng ha maemo a rona
antse a tshwana le ha eka ha re na motho wa
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lekoetjheneng la rona le lenyenyane la Bophelong ka
hare ho palamente. Na ha le ke be le bue ka rona ha
le le moo na? Ke ka hoo he, kajeno Letona ke reng
ke lebise molaetsa ona o totobetseng ka hare ho
setjhaba. Ke a leboha. [Mahofi.] (Translation of
Sotho paragraphs follows.)
[Chairperson, this particular message goes to the
Minister himself. Minister, in Bophelong where I
come from, in the Gauteng province, there's a team
of girls playing football. They call themselves the
Bophelong Ladies Football Club. In the past few
days, I spoke to their coach, Mr Jabu Khoza. This
team started in 1994, and it has amazing potential.
Here are some examples, as proof, Mr Ngconde
Balfour: They won 18 cups. They are the winners of
the Godfrey Moloi Cup and they also won for the
Vaal Region in the Halala Cup. Amongst them,
there's a Banyana Banyana player called Rose
Ntjane.
This team has a need for football equipment. They
need football clothes, they need balls and many
other items of football equipment. Therefore, they
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are pleading with the Minister to heed them and
help them out. There are also some youth in the
small Bophelong township who play golf. Golf is not
a very popular sport. However, there are some golf
players in that township called Bophelong, in
Vanderbijlpark, in the Gauteng province.
When I spoke to both of these teams, they said to
me, Mrs Morobi, you are now in Parliament, but why
are we still in the same situation now, as if we do
not have anyone from our small Bophelong township
in Parliament? Don't you ever talk about us in
Parliament? That is why I'm sending this clear
message from the community to you today, Minister.
Thank you. [Applause.]]
Miss S RAJBALLY: Thank you, Chairperson. There is
no doubt South Africa has an affluent supply of
talent when it comes to sport and recreation.
Having recently hosted the ICC cricket tournament,
South Africa has displayed an impressive stance
globally. The MF takes this opportunity to
congratulate, applaud and thank the Minister and
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all those who have contributed to the success of
this event.
As noted, cricket, rugby, soccer, racing, marathons
and swimming have been at a peak in the media. The
MF, however, feels that sports in general come in a
much larger variety, which media coverage should
also focus on. Secondly, the above-mentioned sports
are also all male-dominated and a focus on female
sports is urgent, so as to contribute to gender
equality.
Furthermore, it has been found that sports and
other recreational activities act as a strong
deterrent to the youth's temptation into drugs,
alcohol abuse, gangsterism and juvenile
delinquency. The MF urges the stronger induction of
such activities and programmes into povertystricken areas where such negative behaviour often
finds its roots. As mentioned earlier, the MF is
confident of the South African talent and feels
that such talent may strongly be tapped from
impoverished areas. This may be successfully
attained through the quota system.
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The budget allocated for this department is
appropriate, but a greater contribution should be
made to less mediarised sports so as to bring South
Africa into a more globally competitive society.
The MF supports Budget Vote 20: Sport and
Recreation.
Mnr C AUCAMP: Agb Voorsitter, dit gaan op die
oomblik nie goed met Suid-Afrikaanse sport nie. Ons
rugbyspanne vul die laagste plekke op die Super 12punteleer. Bafana-Bafana voldoen nie aan die
verwagting nie. En die treurmare van ons nasionale
krieketspan, wat nie eers onder die top ses spanne
kon tel nie, is die kersie op die koek.
Wat tog opvallend is, is dat dit in die spansporte
is wat Suid-Afrikaners uitsak, terwyl in die
individuele sportsoorte soos gholf en boks, dit
veel beter gaan. 'n Mens kan dus die afleiding maak
dat die oomblik wanneer Suid-Afrikaners kollektief
moet optree, dan onderpresteer ons; dat ons wel
talent het, maar dat ons kollektiewe pogings
gebrekkig is.
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Die vraag is: What went wrong? Waar lê die fout?
Ons hoef nie verder te soek nie as die woorde van
president Mbeki self tydens die toekennings van
sportmedaljes verlede jaar. Hy was ontevrede omdat
daar te min sportmanne en -vroue van kleur op die
podium was, en het onder andere gesê, en ek haal
aan: ``South Africa should accept losing
international sporting competitions for the next
few years in the interest of racial
transformation.'' (Translation of Afrikaans
paragraphs follows.)
[Mr C AUCAMP: Hon Chairperson, at the moment it is
not going well with South African sport. Our rugby
teams are in the lowest positions on the Super 12
log. Bafana Bafana are not meeting expectations.
And the sad tidings of our national cricket team,
which could not even be included among the top six
teams, is the cherry on top.
What is striking, is that it is in the team sports
that South Africa is lagging behind, while things
are going much better in the individual sports like
golf and boxing. One could therefore deduce that
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the minute South Africans have to act collectively,
we underachieve; that we do have talent, but that
our collective attempts are lacking.
The question is: What went wrong? Where does the
fault lie? We do not have to look further than the
words of President Mbeki himself during the
awarding of sporting medals last year. He was
dissatisfied because there were too few sportsmen
and sportswomen of colour on the podium and said,
inter alia, and I quote: ``South Africa should
accept losing international sporting competitions
for the next few years in the interest of racial
transformation.'']
In other words, hon Chairperson, losing on the
international sports field should not be seen as a
surprise. Indeed, it is Government policy to lose.
The National Action regards this policy as shortsighted.
Hon Chair, have you got a red card for the
Minister? He's disturbing me.
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It triggers a vicious downward spiral, to the very
detriment of the sportsmen and sportswomen he wants
to see on the podium. The fact of the matter is
that losing national teams will have a devastating
effect on the image of their sport and on the
interest of the public. This leads to less
attractive opportunities for sponsors of events,
teams and players and less fees payable for
television rights and advertisements. As a result,
less money will be available for sports development
and the final victims will not be sport in South
Africa in general, but the very people he wants to
promote.
It is inexplicable that whereas in the field of
economics of the country Government refrains from
short-term policies with detrimental effects in the
long-term, in the sports arena it advocates just
the opposite. This is not the right thing to do.
The President's remarks also imply a public
recognition that national teams should not be
elected on merit, but along the guidelines of
affirmative action in team selection. This
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viewpoint contradicts the earlier assurances that
quotas would not be applicable on national teams of
South Africa.
Clearly, when looking at the dismal performances of
the South African rugby and cricket teams, these
policies stand out as the main reasons for the
failures.
Ja, ek weet dis maklik om die regering vir alles
die skuld te gee. As die kat kleintjies kry is dit
die regering se skuld. Tog is dit die standpunt van
die Nasionale Aksie dat daar te veel
regeringsinmenging in sport in Suid-Afrika is. Dink
aan die Jacques Rudolph sage in Australië; aan die
Minister se beledigende woorde teenoor Jacques
Kallis; aan die kwotas wat gehef word tot op
nasionale vlak.
Waarom moet ons 'n sport Minister hê wat gedurig
dreig en blaas. Wat vandag selfs gedreig het om met
sy volle gewig op skole af te kom wat nie sokker
aanbied nie. Wat 'n neerdrukkende gedagte. Maar
skyfskiet kan maar in die slag bly.
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Ons doen 'n beroep op 'n oorywerige minister om hom
te bepaal by wat sy wesenlike taak en funksie is,
naamlik om 'n raamwerk daar te stel waarbinne
sportliggame as onafhanklike instellings van die
burgerlike samelewing sonder staatsinmenging hulle
ding kan doen. Meneer, Suid-Afrika is moeg van
verloor. (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs
follows.)
[Yes, I know it is easy to blame the Government for
everything. If the cat has kittens, it is the
Government's fault. Yet it is the position of the
National Action that there is too much Government
interference in sport in South Africa. Think about
the Jacques Rudolph saga in Australia; about the
Minister's insulting words about Jacques Kallis;
about the quotas being applied up to the national
level.
Why must we have a Minister of sport who is
constantly threatening and huffing? A Minister who
today even threatened to bring his full weight down
on schools which do not offer soccer. What a
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depressing thought. But target shooting can become
a victim.
We appeal to an overzealous Minister to confine
himself to what is his real task and function,
namely to establish a framework within which
sporting bodies can do what they have to do as
independent institutions of civil society without
state interference. Sir, South Africa is tired of
losing.]
Hon Minister, please, let the children play. Create
an environment conducive to excellence, development
and free participation. Do not turn our sports
fields into battlefields. It is Ellis Park, Loftus
and Orlando Stadium, it is not Baghdad.
We do not need a national Minister of sport with a
red card in his hand or a whistle in his mouth. We
do not need a threatening big brother, but a
friendly facilitator, unless we have settled on
remaining losers. I thank you.
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Mr L R R REID: Chairperson, hon members, in his
state of the nation address on 14 February 2003,
the President said:
Last year when we spoke from this podium, we said
our country has a continuing task to push back
the frontiers of poverty and expand access to a
better life for all.
In this regard, through its Building for Sport and
Recreation Programme, the Department of Sport and
Recreation is indeed busy pushing back the
frontiers of poverty by funding the building and
upgrading of infrastructure. In apartheid South
Africa the disadvantaged rural areas had no or very
few sport facilities. A large number of unemployed
men, women, youth and the disabled are employed on
a temporary basis during the construction phase.
After the completion of these projects others are
employed to manage these facilities. Furthermore,
informal traders are allowed to trade outside these
stadia.
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Before the unification process of sport our people
played nonracial sport under the various nonracial
sporting bodies. As already mentioned, there was a
lack of sport facilities and no sponsorship for
nonracial sport at all. Despite all of this there
were vibrant and functioning clubs, which enjoyed
the support of entire communities. A union like
Saru rotated their provincial matches, giving the
various towns within a provincial union the
opportunity to host provincial games. Players like
Cassiem Jabaar, Salie Fredericks, Tollie Grootboom,
Clemmie Strydom and others became role models for
the youth. They inspired the youth to such an
extent that the majority of the youngsters played
rugby and the crime rate at that time was very low.
Since unification and the introduction of
professional rugby the focus has shifted to
provincial teams. Provincial players are no longer
playing club rugby. As amateur rugby clubs are the
nursery for future stars, and with no or very
little funding, our clubs in the rural areas are
dying. There are lots of talented youngsters who
want to play rugby, but due to the lack of funding
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these players are lost to the game. And here I
should mention that in the South Western Districts,
on the farms and the forestry stations, all over
you find lots of young people who want to play
rugby.
The fact that our clubs are dying means that no
youngsters will come through and later play
provincial rugby. I want to urge the Minister to
appoint a commission to investigate the funding of
clubs by their national federations, because quite
often the money for development is not used for
development but is used to buy players. And I want
to tell hon Lee that maybe he hasn't read the Smith
report, because it is quite clear that only Boland
has completely met the transformation targets and
other provinces are buying their players from
Boland. [Applause.] Unless we do that - that is
investigate the funding - I am afraid that the
talent out there in the deep rural areas will be
lost to us forever.
Soos aangedui, is amateursport die intreevlak vir
alle atlete. Hier moet ek die Minister en die
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sportkommissie bedank vir die lootsing van die
Inheemse Spele. Hierdie spele bied nie net
ontspanning nie, maar maak ook voorsiening vir
massa-deelname. Dit is werklik die hart van
amateursport. Omdat daar nie om geld meegeding word
nie, is die sport skoon en opkikkervry. En ek wil
die sportkommissie gelukwens met hulle besluit om
die Nasionale Inheemse Spele in September in
Limpopo te hou.
Wat skole sport aanbetref, is dit moontlik vir ons
kinders om nasionale kleure te verwerf in
sportkodes soos rugby en sokker terwyl hulle
studeer aan ons gewone staatskole. Maar sodra 'n
kind dieselfde kleure wil verwerf in krieket moet
hy die staatskool verlaat. Hy moet sy eie woonarea
verlaat en gaan inskryf by 'n private skool. Dit
vervreem hierdie kinders van die omstandighede in
die areas waarin hulle lewe. Ek voel ook dat die
Sport Akademie moet betrokke raak by skolesport om
hulle die nodige afrigting te gee, en ook te
voorsien van die nodige toerusting en geld om
daardie kinders te hou, sodat ons eie skole ook
nasionale helde in 'n sport soos krieket kan
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oplewer. (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs
follows.)
[As indicated, amateur sport is the entry level for
all athletes. Here I must thank the Minister and
the sport commission for the launching of the
indigenous games. These games do not only offer
relaxation, but also make provision for mass
participation. They are truly the soul of amateur
sport. Because money isn't competed for, the sport
is clean and drug-free. And I want to congratulate
the sport commission on their decision to hold the
National Indigenous Games in Limpopo in September.
As far as school sport is concerned, it is possible
for our children to earn national colours in
sporting codes such as rugby and soccer while they
study at our normal state schools. But as soon as a
child wants to earn the same colours in cricket, he
must leave the state school. He must leave his own
residential area and enrol at a private school.
This alienates these children from the
circumstances in the areas in which they live.
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I also feel that the sports academy must get
involved in school sport by giving them the
necessary coaching, and also by supplying them with
the necessary equipment and money to keep those
children, so that our own schools can also produce
national heroes in a sport like cricket.]
Disabled sport is another amateur sport. The ANC
Government has ensured that all facilities are
user-friendly and accessible for the disabled.
Those who are sitting in doom and gloom about our
sporting achievements need to take note of the
performance of our disabled athletes in
international competitions. Their achievements were
acknowledged by the President at the Presidential
Sports Awards.
The programme Siyadlala on SABC TV caters for minor
sports. In the past year there was an increase in
the number of games that were broadcast. I think
that the department, the national federations and
the SABC need to discuss the possibility of
allocating prime broadcasting time of about 15
minutes to broadcast Siyadlala during half-time of
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big matches on TV. This would enable millions of
viewers to watch Siyadlala who would otherwise not
have been able to.
The initiatives of Stephen Pienaar and Jomo Sono to
address social issues in their areas need to be
commended, and I hope that other sports stars will
follow in their footsteps.
While professional sport is all about contracts and
money, you often find that, in terms of the
category of contracts, blacks more than often find
themselves at the lower end of these categories.
This is discrimination. This practice must stop. I
am of the opinion that all contracts should be
performance-related. That would ensure that
professional players show commitment and still
regard playing for their country as an honour.
Al is daar baie mense wat pessimisties oor ons
sportprestasies is, het ons sportspanne almal se
ondersteuning nodig. Deur meer atlete te betrek by
amateursport sal ons die spelerpoel verbreed en met
die nodige afrigting en verbeterde fasiliteite glo
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ek daar sal meer spelers deurkom om op hoër vlak
mee te ding.
In my kiesafdeling, die Oudtshoorn-omgewing en die
SWD, is daar baie mense wat die spel gedien het as
spelers en as administrateurs deur die donker
apartheidsjare. Baie van hulle was geviktimiseer,
maar hulle het vasgestaan en deurgedruk om nierassige sport te laat realiseer. (Translation of
Afrikaans paragraphs follows.)
[Although there are many people who are pessimistic
about our sporting achievements, our sports teams
need everybody's support. By involving more
athletes in amateur sport, we will extend our
player pool and with the necessary coaching and
improved facilities I believe that more players
will come through to compete at a higher level.
In my constituency, the Oudtshoorn area and the
SWD, there are many people who served the game as
players and as administrators through the dark
years of apartheid. Many of them were victimised,
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but they stood firm and persevered in order to
realise nonracial sport.]
There were many sportspeople the likes of Basil
D'Oliveira, Eric Majola, Precious Mckenzie, Eddie
Michaels, David Samaai, Humphrey Kosi and others,
who played a big part in bringing about nonracial
sport. Since unification there have been a number
of sportspersons, both black and white, who
performed excellently. They need to be
acknowledged.
In the past we have used sport as an effective
vehicle to isolate both racist sport and the
apartheid regime. We must all join hands and use
sport to unite our nation. In building this
nonracial nation we must at the same time create a
new South African patriotism that will take our
country to new heights. Let us all unite and back
the 2010 bid.
The ANC supports this Vote. Thank you. [Applause.]
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Mr N S MIDDLETON: Chairperson, hon members, in
order to heal the divisions of the past and to
establish a society based on democratic values,
social justice and fundamental human rights as per
our Constitution, we must all do our best to see to
it that we normalise our sport as soon as possible.
However, to achieve these objectives we must have
sports administrators that are honest and
dedicated. It does not necessarily mean that
because you were a good, dedicated comrade during
the struggle you will necessarily become a good and
dedicated sports administrator. It doesn't work
like that.
Unfortunately, some of our codes of sport today are
bedevilled by sports administrators with hidden
agendas, to the detriment of both the players and
spectators. Some have questioned this Government's
role in sport, accusing the Minister of interfering
in sports administration.
However, this could be acceptable in countries
where sport is played under normal circumstances
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where the role of the government is limited to the
bare minimum. In our country, however, where for
centuries sport has been conducted and played under
race restrictions, it will remain necessary for the
Government to be involved in monitoring all sport
structures as long as our sport is not normalised.
[Applause.]
The IFP wishes to recommend to the Government
through the Minister of Sport a sound and clear
policy and management system. We appeal to the
Minister, firstly, to put in place local community
structures in which sport and recreational clubs
and associations fall under the aegis of local
government; secondly, to formulate regional
structures in which local associations form
sporting structures which are recognised under the
provincial government; thirdly, to formulate
provincial structures which have sport and
recreation councils to advise particularly the
provincial sport Ministers; and finally, to
formulate a national structure to be known as a
South African council on sport, which will be a
consultative body to advise both the provincial and
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national interests. This committee should attach
particular importance to enriching the sports lives
of women and children and disabled people.
We need a sound and clear policy which must, inter
alia, send a clear message to all participants in
our sporting and recreational activities at all
levels. I believe that such a policy will help in
the many problems facing our youth today in modern
society. This could be resolved through a vigorous
sport policy initiated in the community and
vigorously encouraged in all our sports.
In this regard I also propose to the Minister that
the Government should set aside 20% from the
present National Lottery, Uthingo, for funding of
sport and recreational development in our country
...
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon member, your
time has expired.
Mr N S MIDDLETON: Will you do that, Minister?
[Laughter.] [Applause.]
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Mr C T FROLICK: Chairperson and hon members,
firstly allow me to thank the hon chairperson of
the portfolio committee and my colleagues in the
ANC study group for the opportunity to participate
in this important debate. For me, it is a great
opportunity to participate knowing that I can make
a direct contribution and involve myself in the
transformation and development of sport in South
Africa.
South Africans should know that the door is open to
get involved and help build to accelerate the
social transformation of this country. The ANC is
the only vehicle to address historical imbalances,
while firmly focusing on providing a better future
for all South Africans by pushing back the
frontiers of poverty. [Applause.]
The Minister has correctly identified the
transformation agenda as a key priority during his
term of office. Although progress has been noted in
certain instances, a lot still needs to be done to
address the entrenched racial, gender and spatial
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inequalities of the past which still prevail in
society.
The contribution made by the member of the Official
Opposition on this crucial topic of transformation
was once again very predictable in its complete
disregard of the immense importance sport must play
in transforming society. Sport and recreation is
and will remain part and parcel of the overall
transformation agenda of the ANC.
The racial cleavages and resistance to
transformation must be tackled head-on in order to
realise objectives of nation-building, nonracism
and patriotism. We are charged with the
responsibility to eliminate the limitations placed
on women, rural communities, youth and people with
disabilities with regard to participation in sport.
At the same time, we must continuously implement
intervention programmes aimed at addressing the
backlog in the development of sports facilities in
disadvantaged communities and for people with
disabilities as well as women.
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Efforts to address these inequalities of the past
started with the unity process of the early 90s.
The national federation was formed as a result of
this process, and we were given targets that dealt
with the formation of unified nonracial bodies for
all sporting codes. At the same time, they were
mandated to address historical imbalances.
Since unity, a lot of progress has been made in the
quest to achieve our ultimate goal of social
transformation. However, it is prudent for
Government and all stakeholders to engage in a
process where we need to measure our progress and
establish whether we indeed have achieved the goals
set out with the unification of sport. While we
must jealously guard the progress that has been
made, we must remain acutely aware of the immense
challenges that face sport as well as attempts in
certain sport sectors to revert to the old order.
Study tours by the portfolio committee to various
provinces, including the Northern Cape and the
Western Cape, have indicated that the unified
sporting bodies that were put in place in rural
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towns are being put under severe strain due to
withdrawal of certain segments of society. Very
often, the more advantaged members of the society
are prepared to travel hundreds of kilometres at
great cost to other towns in order to play against
teams of the same racial group. This results in a
repeat of the patterns of social interaction which
were evident in the pre-unity period when sport was
played along racial lines. At the same time, sport
facilities in the established areas are
underutilised while the demand for more facilities
in disadvantaged areas is increasing by the day.
Another trend prevalent in these rural towns is
that of the formation of private clubs which only
cater for the advantaged members of society. Such
clubs have the privilege to utilise vast tracts of
sports fields by means of 99-year leasehold rights
granted to them prior to 1994.
This issue requires urgent intervention in order to
allow all communities in rural areas to enjoy the
same benefits as those living in urban areas. The
road to complete social transformation of society
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was always going to be a challenging one. It is
therefore paramount for all stakeholders to engage
in this process in order to achieve our objectives.
Another challenge facing us is the creation of
stability in federations and their affiliates which
have made great progress since unity. The current
turmoil in Eastern Cape province cricket needs to
be resolved. The competing priorities of those
involved undermine the great progress that has been
made towards transformation.
This province was once the model of development in
South African cricket, but, disappointingly, it has
allowed itself to be sidetracked by personal
squabbles. These challenges must be addressed by
all stakeholders to ensure that we increase mass
participation. Very often, certain sectors of
society - and we heard it again today - err by
narrowly focusing only on the performance of our
national teams. They fall into the trap of looking
for a scapegoat when South African sports teams do
not succeed in the international arena.
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If satisfaction cannot be found in blaming players,
coaches, management or even the Minister for belowpar performances and defeats, the fingers are
pointed at transformation. This view must be
rejected with contempt. The message is clear that
transformation must continue. We must proceed in
our quest to produce representative teams of
patriotic and loyal of South African men and women
who have internalised the principles of
transformation. It must be clear that these teams
must be entrusted to coaches and management
officials who are also committed to this goal. Too
often we hear negative comments emanating from
former players and coaches trying to undermine
these objectives.
We must continue to work towards the deep
integration of sport right down to clubs at school
level, as we have mentioned earlier. The work
done thus far by the SA Sports Commission, the
federations and the department is commendable. In
this regard, the hon Minister's department needs to
be commended for the sterling job done in Programme
3, Building for Sport and Recreation. While the aim
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of this programme is to contribute to increased
participation in sport, thousands of temporary and
permanent jobs have been created.
At no time in South Africa's history have we
witnessed greater commitment by Government to
ensure inclusiveness, fairness and equality. This
ANC Government has translated this commitment into
practice by investing some R450 million over the
past nine years on building and upgrading
facilities around our country.
Other notable achievements include the successful
bidding and hosting of international events and
also efforts by the sports commission to involve
thousands of disadvantaged athletes in
participation. [Interjections.]
I am clever enough to do my own. At this juncture,
it is important - and I hope the hon members will
listen now - to clarify exactly the ANC's position
and approach with regard to representative teams.
We heard earlier this afternoon and also last week
in the media about the confusion in certain
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quarters on the lack of apparent enforcement of
quotas in forthcoming Springbok tours compared to
the perceived situation during the Cricket World
Cup.
It is puzzling to see how certain individuals
deliberately confuse themselves as far as this
issue is concerned. It must be put on record that
this Government has never prescribed to any
federation what their transformation target should
be. Instead, reference to the perceived
interference by the Minister in certain sporting
codes by the Opposition is unfounded and without
substance. Federations themselves have been
encouraged towards self-regulation and setting
their own transformation targets.
These targets are then submitted to the department
as performance targets and form the basis for
further dialogue and interaction. However, it has
happened that certain federations do not need these
intended targets. In such instances, the
federation, the department and the portfolio
committee engage each other to determine the
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reasons for that. However, Government has a
commitment to intervene when federations deviate
from the prevailing practice and embark on a
unilateral course of action. In this regard, it is
prudent that the outstanding business with the UCB
be amicably resolved as a matter of priority. You
have correctly pointed out that cricket is one of
the federations that has made the most progress in
South Africa. It is thus important to use this code
as a case study to evaluate the progress made
towards the transformation of sport.
The findings of the task team you appointed last
year to investigate cricket challenge certain
assumptions of the UCB. This report will form the
basis for interaction between the portfolio
committee and the UCB. In this regard, study tours
will be conducted to some of the affiliates
mentioned. We will get a first-hand experience of
exactly what the current situation is. Only then,
hon Lee, will we be able to pronounce ourselves on
the preferred vehicle to achieve representivity.
[Applause.]
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Hon members need to be informed that this process
started last Monday in the workshop held at
Parliament. All stakeholders were involved and
crucial steps were taken. Proposals emanating from
this workshop will contribute to the key issues
which Government aims to address in the Sport
Transformation Charter. [Applause.]
We in the ANC are convinced that the transformation
charter will accelerate our efforts and put us on
course to achieve our objectives. Indeed the tide
has turned in sport and recreation. It is our joint
responsibility to actively contribute to turn that
tide into a flood for the benefit of our people.
[Applause.]
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: You know,
there are times when I want to sing, like now. I
want to sing because I'm an ANC member. And I'm
happy being an ANC member because if I was in any
other party, I would be lost. You see, I don't
know; I really don't know.
An HON MEMBER: We know that.
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The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: You see, in
the ANC there are principles we uphold and we hold
onto these principles even when there is
turbulence. The tide has really turned.
[Interjections.] Mr Frolick, the tide has turned. I
am an ANC member and, please God, do me one favour:
Let me die an ANC member. [Applause.]
I want to refer to two things very quickly. I will
not respond to most of the things said by Mr Lee. I
will tell you something. There are two things I
will tell you quickly. We had a problem with Karate
SA, which is sorted out, and a member who used to
be an executive member of Karate SA who happens to
be a member of the party this side - Adv Paul Swart
- was so damn good in dealing with that issue with
me that we really crossed turbulent waters and got
karate back.
The second one is that jukskei had a problem. At
that stage Craig Morkel was still with the New NP
...
An HON MEMBER: Hon Craig Morkel.
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The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Hon Craig
Morkel. But what I'm trying to bring attention to
is contributions that are positive. He sat with me
and we dealt with jukskei. With jukskei not being a
mass-based organisational sport, we couldn't give
colours for it, and they were recreational more
than anything else. But through working with them
and being able to show that jukskei is really
growing, we managed to get jukskei colours. The old
farmers and the farmworkers are now playing jukskei
together, and that is what we did. Two people made
that contribution, and I really welcome that kind
of contribution.
Mr M J ELLIS: What's your point?
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Thank you,
thank you. My point. It's just advice which I think
I will regret in the long run. Mr Lee ...
An HON MEMBER: The hon Mr Lee.
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: The hon Mr
Lee, please try and contribute something positive
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to South African sport; that is all I'm saying.
Please, for God's sake contribute something
positive.
Dominee Aucamp, hoe kan jy 'n dominee wees en jy
praat leuens? Hoekom lieg jy as jy 'n dominee is?
Jy kan nie as 'n dominee lieg nie, man.
[Tussenwerpsels.] [Reverend Aucamp, how can you be
a minister and lie? Why do you lie if you are a
minister? As a minister you cannot lie, man.
[Interjections.]]
No, sit down! Go and sit down.
Mr C AUCAMP: On a point of order: Is it
parliamentary for the hon Minister to tell me ``ek
lieg'' [I am lying]?
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: It is. Yes.
Mr C AUCAMP: Hy lieg as hy so sê. [He is lying if
he says so.]
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The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Hon Minister,
it is not parliamentary to say an hon member is
lying. Will you please withdraw?
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: The hon
member is not biblical.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Hon Minister,
will you please withdraw the words ``he is lying.''
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: I am
withdrawing the words ``he is lying.'' He is not
biblical.
Mr C AUCAMP: Mr Chairman, on a point of order: Is
it in order for the Minister to say that I am not
biblical? I think it is not in order to cast
reflections on a person's religious convictions.
What I've said I'm quite convinced of. Thank you. I
ask you to withdraw that.
The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon Minister, the
member finds that offensive. Can you please refrain
from that?
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The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: I withdraw
that. I'm a good Presbyterian.
Now, these two members, honourable as they are,
want to listen to what they want to hear. With
regard to the speech of the President last year, I
was there. They were not at the presidential
awards. And they will never come because we will
never invite them. They contribute nothing. Now,
you may find that what they are saying is totally
different from what was said, but all I can say of
them is, ``Please go on and listen to what you want
to say. In my mind you are too gullible.''
Let me go on to thank the members who have
contributed to this, members who have a
contribution to make. All of them have made
wonderful contributions. And by the way,
Chairperson, if you want to put a sanction on the
whistle I blew, you can give me 10 minutes in the
sin bin. I'll accept that, if there is a sin bin
here.
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Very quickly, I want to refer to a number of
issues. I want to thank all the members who have
participated. Sis Ruth, you always are a stalwart,
and you are really the backbone of the committee.
[Applause.] You really give me strength to carry on
despite some of the exclusionists this side.
Secondly, the members of the portfolio committee
that we have got today have really grown, given the
way the contributions were made. This applies to
all of them, without fail. Tata uReid, it's the
first time that you contributed, and your
contribution, Mr Reid, was just fantastic. Keep
going that way. [Interjections.]
The yap-yap he won't listen to.
I must say we have the department, the sports
commission, the amount of work that has gone on,
and the sports federation people that are there. I
cannot name all of them, but you can see that the
who's who of cricket is sitting out there: Tobie
Titus from Sarfu, Vernon Seymour, Morne du Plessis,
Rushdie Majiet, Goolam Allie, Dr Shoaib Mandra,
Peter Higgins, Sas Bailey, Peter Jooste, Stan
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Brickwa, Kedi Tshoma. We thank you, Kedi, for the
work you do with the National Lottery. [Applause.]
Wilfred Daniels and Violet Magwaca are here and I
understand that Molefi Oliphant is up there and
Mokoena is up there - all of them are here. Vincent
Baartjes is here and I can see John Lane there.
I know the amount of work they put in. And I know
that they are not convinced and they'll never be
convinced, all of them, by the noncontribution of
the Official Opposition. They will never be
convinced at all by the Official Opposition. I do
want to thank those people, very, very quickly.
There's one thing I know and that is that we did
not take kindly to management committees during our
time of struggle. We did not take kindly to them
because they opposed everything. They did
everything to stop our people from using
facilities. They blocked everything, and I am not
going to say who I am talking about here.
We have a good relationship with correctional
services in terms of working with prisons.
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There are lots of issues. We are busy with the
Broadcasting Act. I want to thank the three
broadcasters and the media for the amount of work
they do for sport in this country. That is e tv,
SABC and Supersport. All three of them are doing an
excellent job for us. The print media is also doing
an excellent job. I want to thank them.
And I do think, once we finish here, even though we
have been saying things to one another we still
have somewhere to go to, a party to enjoy.
[Interjections.]
Yes, you can come, Mr Ellis. We will not shaya
[beat] you. You can come. You are invited.
But I should also thank utata uDhlamini from the
IFP. Your contribution was wonderful, fantastic. I
know uNorman Middleton as an old campaigner and
also the contribution and the advice that hon
Middleton is giving is very good and we welcome
that, when people want to contribute positively.
[Interjections.]
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Oh, please, hon Seremane. Andazi noma unguSeremane
or Semerane. [I do not know whether you are
Seremane or Semerane.] [Laughter.]
Good night. [Applause.]
ANTI-PERSONNEL MINES PROHIBITION BILL
(Second Reading debate)
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE: Thank you
Chairperson, hon members. Conflict in Africa often
involves irregular forces, whose actions frequently
defy the definitions of international law, or
happen miles away from formal state control or
international observation. Cheap weapons like land
mines have frequently become the weapon of choice
where difficult terrain, atrocities and skirmishes,
used alongside domestic agricultural implements
like machetes or pangas, become lethal in the hands
of those determined to turn them against our
brothers and sisters.
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We are making great strides to end conflict in our
region, and on our continent. One of the major
challenges in the course of that effort is to
overcome the indiscriminate use of cheap weapons as
lethal objects, not least because their effect is
excessively injurious to people. The land mine has
been described as the perfect soldier, undetected
till too late, never missing, never sleeping,
always silent. Let's pause briefly to consider the
lifespan of these dreadful weapons.
The mine is laid, often as a booby trap. It is put
in place often in agricultural land, frequently by
a terrified youngster, who can't wait to get as
much distance between himself and the minefield. He
probably recalls the instructor describing what it
can do. Even more probably, he has seen the
amputees or heard his comrades crying out in pain,
alone in the dark in a minefield, where no one will
dare to go to his assistance. At a later stage,
often years later, there is an explosion, killing
or maiming a child, who on his or her way to
collecting water or fetching wood, looked at it
curiously before trying to pick it up.
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He or she may have unknowingly run along a track
before stepping on it. If he or she is lucky,
temporary blindness and perforated eardrums,
besides their sheer terror, is all they will
suffer. Maybe, but not likely. More frequently the
victim must trek for miles to a clinic, if there is
one. In a rural area there is unlikely to be any
extra blood, and probably few bandages or
painkillers. If he or she is lucky enough to
survive, a prosthesis will be fitted. But the child
will have to undergo surgery every three to six
months, as the bone continues to grow and causes
great discomfort as it sticks into the artificial
limb.
I do not exaggerate the identity of the victim as a
civilian, and probably a child, nor can I even
begin to describe the horror of these weapons
sufficiently. The International Committee for the
Red Cross reports that the only purpose for which
mines have been used with total success by the mine
layer, and with total impact on the target, is for
the containment or harassment of civilians. The
main characteristic of a mine is that it is
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designed to be victim actuated. Totally unprepared
for these effects of mine warfare, civilians suffer
terribly.
A shocking statistic is that 1 in 470 people in
Angola have had one or more limbs amputated. Even
the shortest visit to many of our capital cities
like Luanda or Maputo, or to rural areas in the
countries of Rwanda and DRC, or to northern
Namibia, reveals the successful strike of the mine.
Compare this with 1 in 22 000, in mine-free USA.
The International Committee of the Red Cross states
that these weapons currently claim some 2 000
victims a month, and over the last 50 years have
probably inflicted more death and injury than
nuclear and chemical weapons combined.
Land mines, which were originally conceived to
counter the use of tanks and other armoured
vehicles, have been increasingly designed to target
human beings. The United Nations has reckoned that
land mines are at least 10 times more likely to
kill or injure a civilian after a conflict than a
combatant after hostilities. Soon after the first
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democratic elections in 1994, the South African
Government took up the issues raised by the fight
against the manufacture and use of anti-personnel
land mines.
In 1996 we prohibited the export of all types of
land mines. In 1997, we prohibited the use,
development, production, and stockpiling of antipersonnel land mines. By 1998, 312 000 antipersonnel land mines held by the Department of
Defence had been destroyed. South Africa has sought
to operationalise the Mines Ban Treaty, by
preparing the Anti-Personnel Mines Prohibition
Bill, which is before us today. Angola's recent
ratification of the Mine Ban Treaty now means that
all SADC countries are on board, and under the
umbrella of the convention.
This must now be taken forward by promulgating
domestic legislation and penal sanctions to give
effect to the convention. South Africa's
ratification of this legislation has its roots in
the international campaign to rid the world of
anti-personnel land mines. We should be aware that
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some of the munitions that are raining down on
Baghdad as we speak are not covered by the
definitions contained in this legislation. It is
clear that the cluster bomb in particular, acts in
a very similar way to the anti-personnel land mine.
They are small, scattered, silent, and objects of
curiosity to children.
Governments, in conjunction with their defence
forces, have to actively revisit their military
doctrine, to eradicate the use of these weapons.
Governments also need to ensure that public
awareness is such that if conflict breaks out, the
use of mines or the hacking off of limbs is
considered so repulsive that their use will
unconditionally and unanimously be condemned by all
participants in such conflicts. Members would have
seen the child in the newspapers who has lost both
his arms. This child has lost his arms due to the
cluster bomb.
The focus of our immediate efforts should now be to
rid the SADC of the scourge of land mines. Nepad's
peace and security initiative focuses on building
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Africa's capacity to manage all aspects of conflict
by strengthening existing continental and regional
institutions that deal, amongst others, with the
combating of the illicit proliferation of small
arms, light weapons and land mines.
South Africa is playing a leading role in demining,
in the training of deminers, and in improving the
cost-efficiency of operations. When the South
African Government approved the restructuring of
Mechem, Denel's demining technology powerhouse,
Government insisted that the demining component
would neither be shut down nor privatised,
precisely because it is a critical component of
humanitarian assistance, that must not be driven by
profit. Local community participation and education
are central to this assistance.
We would also urge the wider demining industry to
adopt a code of conduct that is respected and
implemented by all. South Africa remains totally
committed to the banning of anti-personnel land
mines, the destruction of existing stockpiles, mine
awareness, the clearance of emplaced mines, and
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victim assistance. We would urge those countries
which have not yet passed legislation such as this
Bill, to do so urgently.
Peace and security in the region and on our
continent must remain a top priority for all of us,
and for South Africa as a whole. I thank you.
[Applause.]
Ms T R MODISE: Motlatsa Modulasetilo, Maloko a Ntlu
e [Chairperson, and hon members of this House] we
consider the Anti-Personnel Mines Prohibition Bill
today, which enacts the Convention on the
Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and
Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their
Destruction into law. The Bill we consider today is
a celebration of the long campaigns, the lobbies,
the tears, the shame, the anger and the resolute
spirit of all people from all walks of lives to
stop the maiming and the killing of thousands of
people.
Pictures of women and children hobbling around
without limbs and dignity have often left us angry
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and ashamed at the immoral use of these mines. We
congratulate all individuals, local and
international, the numerous NGOs, the international
Red Cross Society, the Red Crescent Movement and
the international campaign to ban land mines for
their tireless efforts to make sure that today some
of us can stand here and celebrate those efforts.
South Africa signed and ratified the convention in
September 1997, and as the Deputy Minister says, we
destroyed our stock in 1998, save for about 5 000
which we use for training. South Africa is
concerned about human rights, political and
economic stability and development. We know that
for Africa to move forward the development of her
human resources must be prioritised. Anti-personnel
land mines cannot tell the innocent from the
guilty, the civilian from the military, the warring
factors from women and children. They kill
indiscriminately and take away the dignity of the
self-reliance of people.
Not only are individuals and communities
disadvantaged and destabilised, their collective
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and communal spirit is broken and the road to
healing and dignity is often hard, bitter and
lonely. This Bill demonstrates yet again South
Africa's efforts and commitment to regional, cooperative and collective security. The provisions
of this Bill are applicable to all South African
citizens, residents, juristic people, members of
the Defence Force or those people who are attached
to the Defence Force, whether they are citizens of
this country or not.
This Bill makes procurement, possession,
manufacture, stockpiling, transfer, import or
export of these mines, their components or even
plans and designs, illegal. The offences will be
punishable for up to 25 years in prison with or
without options of fines for natural persons and
juristic persons will be liable to fines not
exceeding R1 000 000. The courts can also decide to
confiscate property which has been in any way
connected with the possession of these mines.
The Bill gives the Minister the power to exempt in
writing persons or organs that can possess the
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mines, components or plans only in the case where
they are going to be developing or conducting
training in detection, clearance or destruction.
The Minister may allow public museums, military
museums, and private or public collectors to
possess the anti-personnel mines, components or
plans only if these do not contain explosive
triggering mechanisms or explosive material
themselves.
The Minister is empowered to stop any exercise, or
activity of co-operative deployment with any other
force if that deployment or activity or operation
will in any way go against the provisions of the
convention. This demonstrates how resolute we are
to outlaw the use of anti-personnel mines.
Chapter 5 of this Bill deals with the appointment,
remuneration, status and authority of the domestic
inspectors. This Bill does not give domestic
inspectors any policy powers and states clearly
that they have to be deployed with the police on
the authority of a warrant issued by a magistrate
or a judge. The Bill also recognises in section 19
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that often it is not practical to obtain a warrant
before the search if the delay in obtaining such a
warrant will actually defeat the objects of the
search itself.
When South Africa destroyed her mines, it is
important to note, we also said that we will make
sure that we monitor the utilisation of the mines
that remain. South Africa needs to report on this
convention and on all the other international
instruments via the Minister of Foreign Affairs to
the Secretary-General of the UN. This Bill now
provides that a copy of this report which goes to
the Secretary-General, comes to Parliament within
two weeks of the report having been tabled at the
UN.
Not only innocent children and women become victims
of anti-personnel land mines. In South Africa there
are many people who are going around physically and
mentally scarred. Pictures of Angola and Mozambique
showing persons armless, legless and not too
grateful to be alive must not continue to dominate
the images of Africa. We must do everything that we
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can to change these pictures and to replace these
with the lilting African voices raised in song and
dance. We must plan to see pictures of African
youth full of hope and dreams, complete - ``tone en
al'' [toes and all]. Nepad must be based on solid
plans to stop the conflict of ethnic, cultural,
religious, racial and economic sources. Wars of
greed and ignorance must stop. Regional coordination and co-operation must be about and for
the benefit of people.
The first challenge is to stop the naming and the
killing of the innocent by setting up projects that
utilise South Africa's capability to remove and
destroy these mines. It is not enough just to ban
the production, the use, the stockpiling and the
transportation of these mines. It is important to
look at these victims and their rehabilitation. It
is never enough to express shame and regret. It is
necessary for the manufacturers and the users of
these mines, past and present, to begin to put
their heads together and to come up with
rehabilitation centres for these victims of these
mines and their descendants.
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It is nonsensical to hand over a plastic hand to a
peasant and not to look at gainful means to employ
this person to look after themselves. A better life
for all in South Africa must extend to the victims
of these mines. We must lead the region in the
efforts to better lives. Africa's rebirth and
economic recovery is aimed at the living, not the
miserable and the disempowered. We must make the
miserable and disempowered take heart to stand up,
to unite and to defend the ideals of an Africa that
is healthy, dignified, equal and prosperous.
We consider this Bill at a time when there is
confusion and debate about the role of the UN and
the concept of multilateralism. We must continue to
believe in collective decisions, in strategies and
actions. Unilateralism creates insecurity and
distrust. It is a threat to Africa's ideals of
openness, democracy, good governance and prosocial
spending which most African states now espouse.
When nations feel insecure, expenditure on
security-related goods and services tends to
increase. This increase diverts spending from
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increases in child grants, old age pensions,
education, etc. We must, therefore, work hard to
make sure that all multilateral institutions in the
region and on this continent, and especially the
UN, are not rendered useless. We must use our voice
in the UN Security Council to make sure that member
states sign and respect the convention.
It would be wonderful, members, if the United
States of America could move along and ratify the
convention and begin to destroy the thousands of
anti-personnel mines that they still possess.
Surely, American interest on the Korean Peninsula
can be defended in many other ways if there is any
justification at all for anybody to defend anything
in another person's land. The only way that the UN
can be strengthened is if we do as we preach and
not coerce others into disarming while we continue
to see military utility in what we encourage others
to destroy.
During the public hearings the Portfolio Committee
on Defence was shocked into another reality that
these mines do not only maim and kill
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indiscriminately when they are planted, but that
many of the victims are found at the production
plants themselves where people have lost their
eyesight and their hands and developed various
forms of lung diseases and died. The committee
heard the victims themselves speaking about the
safety measures at the explosives manufacturing
plants.
While this Bill is about anti-personnel land mines
and not about the prohibition of explosives, it is
important for us to begin to look at safety. Safety
at production and at utility levels. We must make
sure that the rehabilitation programmes that we
speak about so loudly regarding foreigners and
victims who are injured in the veld, are extended
to those who help us make these things.
The ANC supports this Bill.
Adv H C SCHMIDT: Mr Deputy Chair, this Bill flows
from South Africa's assent on 3 December 1997 to
the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use,
Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-
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Personnel Mines and on their Destruction. It
provides for the destruction of anti-personnel
mines, the provision of domestic and international
inspections, as well as international co-operation
in respect of all anti-personnel mines. Universal
acceptance against the use, stockpiling and
production of anti-personnel mines exists in that
165 state parties have assented to the convention,
also known as the Ottawa Convention. This Bill,
flowing from an obligation in terms of the
convention, forms an important basis in promoting
the New Partnership for Africa's Development
programme, or Nepad, which recognises that
combating the illicit proliferation of small arms,
light weapons and land mines is one of the more
important conditions for sustainable development.
South Africa is believed to have destroyed all of
its land mines, but for approximately 4 500 which
are intended to be used for purposes of developing
and conducting training in mine detection, mine
clearance and mine destruction techniques. A
prohibition is placed on the possession,
procurement, manufacture, stockpiling, transfer,
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import and export of anti-personnel mines,
component parts or any plan relating thereto. It
can furthermore be stated that South Africa no
longer possesses the anti-personnel land mine
production capability due to the fact that its
stockpile of mines was allegedly destroyed by
October 1998. The DA furthermore supports South
Africa's contribution to victim assistance due to
injuries caused by land mines.
South Africa has reportedly donated R400 000 in the
2000 financial year to the International Committee
of the Red Cross for the rehabilitation of land
mine victims in the SADC region, and another R350
000 during 2001. During the financial year 2001-02
the International Committee of the Red Cross
received a further donation of R200 000 for the
rehabilitation of land mine survivors in Angola.
These steps are supported wholeheartedly and should
be supported in future. It is noteworthy to
indicate that this Bill has been the product of an
extensive consultation process under the guidance
of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
Workshops were held in Johannesburg, Cape Town and
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Durban, with various civil society organisations
invited.
This Bill is extraterritorial in nature regarding
the prosecution of alleged offenders. This means
that South African citizens may be prosecuted for
offences in respect of offences in terms of this
Bill. It is furthermore important to note that
Claymor type, directional fragmentation mines and
antihandling devices are also prohibited. However,
allegations still surface from time to time
regarding South Africa's alleged involvement in the
manufacturing of E105 fragmentation hand grenades
and E190 trip-wire activation devices for perimeter
defence. The DA therefore invites the Minister of
Defence to state categorically and without any
qualification whatsoever whether such devices are
still manufactured, either with or without licences
from abroad or otherwise. Such allegations should
be refuted without hesitation should they be
untrue.
No exceptions to the Ottawa Convention or the
legislation we are currently debating are
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permissible, except as stated previously for
purposes of training in mine clearance, mine
detection and mine destruction techniques. South
Africa's participation in the Ottawa Convention in
the fulfilment of its objectives should not be
questionable. We accordingly await a reply from the
Minister in this regard. The DA supports this Bill
as it does away with this silent, callous killer
and the maiming of very often innocent civilians. I
thank you. [Applause.]
Mr N S MIDDLETON: Chairperson, hon members, in the
past personnel mines were extensively used mainly
for defensive purposes. For instance, fortifying a
comparatively weak defensive position against
attack. Up to the last World War, this weapon was
known as what we referred to as a booby trap. Land
mines have numerous advantages during war time such
as their low cost, ease of use and the ability to
be hidden anywhere on an advancing enemy. But land
mines have one great disadvantage also and that is
that it is not possible to disarm it by a remote
system. The end result is that minefields are
therefore not easily cleared and very often
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military forces have simply left these mines on
their fields when withdrawing from the
battlefields. This has resulted in thousands of
civilian casualties as well as severe destruction
of infrastructure and economic activity. Most of
this loss of life and destruction has occurred in
developing countries and countries emerging from
conflicts. As a result, economic reconstruction of
these countries has been severely hampered.
Southern African examples include Angola and
Mozambique.
As has already been mentioned, in 1997 the United
Nations adopted a Convention on the Prohibition of
the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of
Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction.
South Africa, as you have already heard, signed and
ratified the convention in December 1997. We are
therefore obliged to enact national legislation to
include the convention in our laws. This is the
principal aim of the Anti-Personnel Mines
Prohibition Bill.
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In addition to the principles stated above, the
Bill further proposes: to prohibit the use and
stockpiling, production and the transfer of antipersonnel mines; further to make transgressions by
South African citizens or companies of the
prohibitions as already stated an offence with
related penalties; to empower the Minister of
Defence to exempt certain persons from prohibition
as long as the mines are used for training or the
development of techniques in mine detection, mine
clearance and mine destruction; to ensure the
destruction of South African anti-personnel
stockpile except those mines exempted by the
Minister for the purpose already mentioned; to
regulate domestic and international inspections by
the United Nations to ensure compliance with the
convention; and finally, it is there to place an
obligation on the Minister of Defence via the
Minister of Foreign Affairs to report on South
Africa's compliance with the convention of the
United Nations.
The IFP therefore supports this Bill for the
reasons that South Africa has already signed and
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ratified the convention, thus approving the
convention, and further that anti-personnel mines
represent a humanitarian and economic disaster
particularly for poor, developing countries,
particularly those emerging from civil conflicts.
For these reasons the IFP supports this Bill.
Mna K W MORWAMOCHE: Mohlomphegi Modulasetulo le
maloko ao a hlomphegago a Lekgotlatheramelao,
maekemišetšo-magolo a Molaokakanywa wo ke go
thibela go hlagiša, go lota le go kgobela le go
diriša go thotha dithuthupiši ka mo go sego
molaong.
Ka ge Afrika Borwa e le leloko la Ditšhabakopano, e
saenetše tumelano ya go šomiša dithuthupiši t še
kotsi. Molaokakanywa wo o matlafatša batlhatlhobi
ba dibetša ba selegae le ba boditšhabatšhaba go
hlahloba le go bona gore Afrika Borwa le yona e
šoma ka fase ga molao wa dithuthupiši.
Molaokakanywa wo o matlafatša maphodisa a sesole le
Kgoro ya Maphodisa go nyakišiša mafelo ao a
lotilego le go hlama dithuthupiši ka mo go sego
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molaong. Gape o matlafatša maphodisa le masole go
hlwekiša mafelo ao go bego go šomišwa dithuthupiši
ka mo e sego ka tshwanelo. O matlafatša maseterata
le moahlodi wa selete go ka fa maphodisa lengwalo
la go yo nyakišiša mafelo ao a gononelwago gore a
ka ba a na le dithuthupiši ka mo go sego molaong.
Motho yo a kago hwetšwa a hlama goba a lota goba a
thotha dithuthupiši ka ntle ga tumelelo yeo a tlago
be a e filwe ka lengwalo ke Tona ya Tšhireletšo, o
tlo romelwa kgolegong mengwaga ye 25.
Molaokakanywa wo o fa Tona maatla a go fa maphodisa
le masole tumelelo gore a ka diriša dithuthupiši
tšeo di lego ka fase ga tše 5 000 ge go hlahlwa
masole ao a šomišago dithuthupisi. Tona o na le
maatla a go dumelela sesole go thotha dithuthupiši
ge a e ya go šoma dinageng tša kantle. O fa Tona go
dumelela museamo wa sesole go ka ba le palo yeo e
lekanego ya dithuthupiši tšeo di tlago fela di
laetšwa ditlogolwana tša rena gore di kgone go
tseba gore dithuthupiši ke dilo tša mohuta mang.
Molaokakanywa wo o thuša go fokotša digole, difofu,
ditšhuana le ditšhiololo, bahlologadi le bahlolo ka
baka la ge ba swarišitše kgoro ya tša bobotlana
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mathata a go ba fepa, ka ge ba tlo be ba gobaditšwe
ke dithuthupiši tšeo. Dithuthupiši ga di gobatše
fela batho, le diphoofolo le tšona di ba le mathata
a bjalo.
Mogologolo o boletše a re: Pinyana ge a re ping e
kwele ping e kgolo. Seo se ra gore ge molao wo o
šetše o beilwe batho ka moka ba tlamegile go o
latela ka ge e le molao wa Afrika Borwa.
ANC e thekga molao wo ka mabaka ao a šetšego a
tšweleditšwe. Ke a leboga. [Legofsi.] (Translation
of Sepedi speech follows.)
[Mr K W MORWAMOCHE: Hon Chairperson and hon
members, the main object of this Bill is to
prohibit the manufacturing, stockpiling,
possessing, using and transporting of land mines
without authorisation.
Since South Africa is a member of the United
Nations, it has signed an international agreement
on the use of land mines. This Bill seeks to
authorise both local and international inspectors
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of land mines to ensure that South Africa complies
with this international convention on the use of
land mines.
The Bill also authorises police officials and the
SA Police Service to inspect any premises if there
are reasonable grounds for believing that land
mines are being manufactured or stored on them
without authorisation. It further authorises the
SAPS and SANDF to clear premises of land mines used
for testing without authorisation. The Bill
authorises a magistrate or a judge who has
jurisdiction in the area where the premises in
question are situated to grant written permission
to the police to inspect premises if there are
reasonable grounds for believing that some
unauthorised land mines are being kept or stored on
them. Any person convicted of manufacturing,
storing or transporting land mines without a
written authorisation from the Minister of Defence
is liable to imprisonment for a period of 25 years.
The Bill further authorises the Minister to grant
the police and Defence Force permission to use land
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mines - not exceeding 5 000 - when they train their
members. The Minister has the authority to grant
the Defence Force permission to transport land
mines into foreign countries when its members are
to perform duties in those countries. The Bill
further authorises the Minister to allow the
Defence Force museum to keep a certain amount of
land mines that will be shown to our later
generations and great-grandchildren so that they
should have an idea of what land mines actually
look like.
This Bill will help to relieve the department of
welfare of the burden of feeding an increasing
number of disabled people - cripples, the blind,
orphans, widows and widowers - who may have been
maimed by land mines. We should be mindful that
land mines do not endanger human life alone, but
animal life as well.
Our forebears said: ``Pinyana ge e re `ping' e
kwele ping e kgolo'' [Just as adults squeak, so do
the young ones]. This means that when this
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legislation is enacted, all people are obliged to
obey it as a South African law.
The ANC supports this Bill. Thank you. [Applause.]]
Dr M S MOGOBA: Chairperson, land mines, a fallout
from the explosions of war, must be roundly
condemned by all.
We are presently living under the cloud of war in
Iraq, which has been orchestrated by mindless
people who live in their comfortable homes and
offices. This war could develop into a world war,
endangering the lives of innocent people, children
and women all over our global village. Land mines,
in whatever form they come, should be roundly
condemned. Land mines are an act of gross
irresponsibility, bordering on the criminal, by
those who go to war. Innocent people who are not
fighting anybody are blown off without notice.
Land mines are a violation of God's world and
environment. Pollution of the environment, causing
global warming, affects the climate and causes
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drought and extensions of deserts. Human beings do
not have the right to have dominion over the earth.
No, they are given responsibility to care for God's
world. War belongs to the dark ages. It is savagery
in the extreme.
No war ends without a peace conference. Now why
should we kill thousands of people, or millions, as
happened in Burundi and the Congolese wars and
then, after that, go to a peace conference? Our
call to the UN to give peace a chance was a call to
sanity. All the people who declare war should be in
the frontline instead of younger people being
sacrificed on the altar of war.
Land mines add insult to injury. They represent war
after war. The UN should take responsibility to
stop war and to protect innocent lives. The UN has
been greatly weakened by the Iraqi war. The PAC
will support this Bill. [Time expired.]
Miss S RAJBALLY: Deputy Chairman, the MF supports
the signing of the ratification of the Convention
on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling,
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Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and
on their Destruction. It is important that we bring
ourselves into such standards. The requirement
that, I quote:
Each state party shall take all appropriate
legal, administrative and other measures,
including the imposition of penal sanctions, to
prevent and suppress any activity prohibited to a
state party under this convention undertaken by
persons or on territory under its jurisdiction or
control.
The constitutional provision to enact the
international agreement via national legislation is
procedural to ensure good global relations and
efficient inculcation of values and laws in the
South African citizenry. The MF holds firmly onto
the belief of the supremacy of our national
Constitution and hereby supports the provision made
in this Bill. To address transgressions by South
African citizens and others and thus bring it in
line with the national Constitution, is necessary.
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The MF supports the Anti-Personnel Mines
Prohibition Bill. [Applause.]
Mr E N MTHETHWA: Deputy Chairperson, hon members,
today we are debating yet another humble
contribution that South Africa is making for world
peace. The Bill needs to be supported since it is a
living testimony of humanity's quest for an
alternative, new and peaceful world order. The
anti-personnel mine is a human-made weapon and it
will take human beings to destroy such. In order
for the dream of a just and peaceful world order to
succeed, Africa and South Africa in particular, is
posed with a challenge to address human suffering
caused by anti-personnel mines.
In 2001, we as South Africans, led by the people's
movement - the ANC - declared that year as the year
of the African century for democracy, peace and
development. One of the concrete steps is therefore
being taken through this Bill in front of us today,
and many other initiatives, to realise this dream.
The destruction of these weapons of war underlines
this Government's resolve to end wars in the entire
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world, which breed poverty, diseases, ignorance and
such social ills.
The debate on this came at an appropriate time,
barely days after the agreement has been sealed in
the inter-Congolese dialogue. Again this
demonstrates to all on our continent and throughout
the world that Africa's time has arrived - ke nako.
The ANC-led Government is showing in practice that
which has been professed by its founding fathers in
Bloemfontein - that Africa must rise from the ashes
of wars of dispossession and claim her place
amongst the progressive nations of the world. The
Freedom Charter states that there shall be peace
and friendship.
About 48 years since the congress of the people,
this is still as relevant as it was then. In the
contemporary epoch, we still pursue this noble
goal. With regard to this Bill, it means that
generations to come would be happy to learn that
their forebears cleared any possibility to trample
on any such weapons and lose life and limb. It
means that younger generations would not have to
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worry about their environment which may be
destroyed by some hidden anti-personnel mines,
neither would they have to worry about their
peaceful, stable society and the future.
The Act will begin the process, if passed, as I
hope it will be, of bringing into practise and
reality the South African signing of the Convention
on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling,
Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and
on their Destruction. It will also empower the
Government in terms of its foreign policy
objectives of achieving peace and stability
globally and more importantly, in Africa. The main
danger with respect to the mines, however, is very
clear. There is no certainty as to where the mines
are, because land mines are buried explosives which
shift like stones in running water and tend to move
downstream, following gravity.
Markings of the mined areas may have been swept
away or destroyed. The rain and flooding may have
exposed buried mines. Mines may have shifted in the
flood waters and end up in areas that were
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previously considered safe and clear. Therefore,
these mines will present a more serious risk for
deminers and civilians alike. Fear of mines has
already delayed significantly the repair of
powerlines taken out by floods. The UN estimates
that there are some 110 million land mines
scattered in 70 countries. Of those, about 44,8
million are buried in 11 African countries, and by
far the worst affected are Angola, Egypt and
Mozambique. The mines in Angola and Mozambique are
among the legacies of bitter civil wars in those
countries.
The bulk of those in Egypt were laid during the
Second World War with others laid during ArabIsraeli wars that took place between 1948 and 1973.
In conflicts, the mines are mostly deployed by
being buried in the ground and are detonated when
stepped upon or moved in any way. According to the
statistics, in Angola in particular, six to eight
mine provinces cover roughly 50% of the country.
There are 1,47 land mines for every individual. An
estimated 70 000 Angolans became amputees as a
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result of land mines, including both civilian and
military victims.
In Mozambique, the largest number of mining
injuries or deaths occurs while farming or felling
trees for construction. The need to expand farming
areas to resettle persons has led to an increase in
victims. The National Mines Clearance Commission
estimates that at least 40 people are killed by
land mines each month.
In conclusion, I hope we all agree with the views
expressed by the UN Secretary-General, hon Kofi
Annan, when he says that we must make land mines a
weapon of the past and a symbol of shame. With the
same breath, the UN Security Council in particular,
has an ongoing task on the implementation of the
spirit and letter of the convention. I thank you.
[Applause.]
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE: Deputy Chairperson,
I just want to thank all the members that have
participated in this debate and have demonstrated
once more our country's commitment to end the
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scourge of destruction by this particular weapon.
Maybe I must say that we must continue to celebrate
our achievements as a young democracy. Members will
remember that our country was at the forefront of
passing the Mine Ban Treaty. And now again we are
at the forefront of making sure that we implement
our commitment to this treaty.
Parties present in this House have shown that as a
country we are united in this. I just wanted to
respond to hon member Schmidt that with regard to
his concern and the rumours that he has referred
to, we have confirmed that all South African firms
are already complying with the requirements of this
Bill. Denel does not produce the grenades referred
to. The only tripwire devices are for elimination
flares that are not lethal. So indeed, our country
and the industry are committed and showing their
commitment to implementing this treaty. In terms of
victims assistance again, I think the hon member
Schmidt showed that our country is committed not
only to the ban of anti-personnel land mines, but
also to assist those who have been victimised.
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In concluding this debate, again I just also want
to bring this issue very much to the forefront of
the members' minds as they go home. I want to bring
to your attention that during the course of this
debate, somewhere in the world, someone or an
animal has detonated plus-minus 30 anti-personnel
mines. That's how serious this problem is in the
world and therefore this shows the contribution
that our own country is making in making sure that,
indeed, this scourge is removed from the surface of
the earth. Somewhere then there are more deaths,
mutilation, tears and more sorrows. Indeed, these
must end and members of this House have
demonstrated this. I thank all of you for your
contribution. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Bill read a second time.
The House adjourned at 17:28.
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ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
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MONDAY, 7 APRIL 2003
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
National Assembly and National Council of
Provinces:
1.
Introduction of Bills:
(1) The Minister of Finance:
(i) Petroleum Pipelines Bill [B 22 - 2003]
(National Assembly - sec 75)
[Explanatory summary of Bill and prior
notice of its introduction published in
Government Gazette No 24584 of 14 March
2003.]
Introduction and referral to the Portfolio
Committee on Minerals and Energy of the
National Assembly, as well as referral to
the Joint Tagging Mechanism (JTM) for
classification in terms of Joint Rule 160,
on 8 April 2003.
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In terms of Joint Rule 154 written views on
the classification of the Bills may be
submitted to the Joint Tagging Mechanism
(JTM) within three parliamentary working
days.
Draft Bills submitted in terms of Joint Rule
159:
(1) Petroleum Pipelines Bill, 2003, submitted
by the Minister of Minerals and Energy on 1
April 2003. Referred to the Portfolio
Committee on Minerals and Energy and the
Select Committee on Economic and Foreign
Affairs.
National Assembly:
1.
The Speaker:
The following is the number of seats allocated
to each party represented in the National
Assembly and the name of, and party represented
by, each member, as at the expiry of the window
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period for crossing the floor in terms of the
Constitution:
(1) STATE OF PARTIES REPRESENTED IN NATIONAL
ASSEMBLY: (as at 5 April 2003)
Note: The abbreviation in brackets after the
name of a party is the abbreviation used
for such party later in this document.
PARTY
NUMBER OF SEATS
1.
African National Congress (ANC)
275*
2.
Democratic Alliance (DA)
46*
3.
Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP)
31*
4.
New National Party (New NP)
20*
5.
African Christian Democratic Party (ACDP)
7
6.
United Democratic Movement (UDM)
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4
7.
Freedom Front (FF)
3
8.
United Christian Democratic Party (UCDP)
3
9.
Federal Alliance (FA)
2
10. Pan Africanist Congress of Azania (PAC)
2
11. Alliance for Democracy and Prosperity (ADP)
1
12. Azanian People's Organisation (Azapo)
1
13. Independent African Movement (AIM)
14. Independent Democrats (ID)
1
15. Minority Front (MF)
1
16. National Action (NA)
1
17. Peace and Justice Congress (PJC)
1
TOTAL
08 April 2003
400
*These figures include the following
vacancies as at 5 April 2003:
ANC: three vacancies.
New NP: one vacancy.
(2)LIST OF MEMBERS OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
(as at 5 April 2003)
SURNAME
INITIALS
PARTY
ABRAHAMS
T
ANC
ABRAM
S
ANC
AINSLIE
A R
ANC
ANDREW
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K M
DA
ARENDSE
J D
ANC
ASMAL
A K
ANC
AUCAMP
C
NA
BAKKER
D M
NEW NP
BALFOUR
B M N
ANC
BALOYI
M R
ANC
BALOYI
S F
ANC
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BAPELA
O
ANC
BELL
B G
DA
BENJAMIN
J
ANC
BEUKMAN
F
NEW NP
BHENGU
F
ANC
BIYELA
B P
IFP
BLAAS
A
ACDP
BLANCHÉ
J P I
FA
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BLOEM
D V
ANC
BOGOPANE-ZULU
H I
ANC
BOOI
M S
ANC
BORMAN
G M
DA
BOTHA
A J
DA
BOTHA
N G W
ANC
BRUCE
N S
DA
BUTHELEZI
M G
IFP
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CACHALIA
I M
ANC
CAMERER
S M
DA
CARRIM
Y I
ANC
CASSIM
M F
PJC
CHALMERS
J
ANC
CHAUKE
H P
ANC
CHIBA
L
ANC
CHIKANE
M M
ANC
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CHOHAN-KHOTA
F I
ANC
CINDI
N V
ANC
CLELLAND-STOKES
N J
DA
COETZEE-KASPER
M P
ANC
CRONIN
J P
ANC
CWELE
S C
ANC
DA CAMARA
M L
DA
DAVIDSON
I O
DA
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DAVIES
R H
ANC
DE LANGE
J H
ANC
DE LILLE
P
ID
DELPORT
J T
DA
DHLAMINI
B W
IFP
DIALE
L N
ANC
DIDIZA
A T
ANC
DITHEBE
S L
ANC
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DITSHETELO
P H K
UCDP
DLALI
D M
ANC
DLAMINI
B O
ANC
DLAMINI-ZUMA
N C
ANC
DOIDGE
G Q M
ANC
DOMAN
W P
DA
DOUGLAS
B M
NEW NP
DUDLEY
C
ACDP
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DUMA
N M
ANC
DURAND
J
NEW NP
DU TOIT
D C
ANC
DYANI
M M Z
ANC
EGLIN
C W
DA
ELLIS
M J
DA
ERWIN
A
ANC
FANKOMO
F C
ANC
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FARROW
S B
DA
FAZZIE
M H
ANC
FERREIRA
E T
IFP
FIHLA
N B
ANC
FRASER-MOLEKETI
G J
ANC
FROLICK
C T
ANC
GELDENHUYS
B L
NEW NP
GEORGE
M E
ANC
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GERBER
P A
ANC
GIBSON
D H M
DA
GILLWALD
C E
ANC
GINWALA
F N
ANC
GOGOTYA
N J
ANC
GOMOMO
P J
ANC
GONIWE
M T
ANC
GOOSEN
A D
ANC
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GORE
V C
DA
GOUS
S J
NEW NP
GREEN
L M
ACDP
GREYLING
C H F
NEW NP
GROBLER
G A J
DA
GROENEWALD
P J
FF
GUMEDE
D M
ANC
GXOWA
N B
ANC
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HAJAIG
F
ANC
HANEKOM
D A
ANC
HEINE
R J
DA
HENDRICKS
L B
ANC
HENDRICKSE
P A C
ANC
HERANDIEN
C B
NEW NP
HLANGWANA
N L
ANC
HLENGWA
M W
IFP
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HOGAN
B A
ANC
HOLOMISA
B H
UDM
HOLOMISA
S P
ANC
JANKIELSOHN
R
DA
JASSAT
E E
ANC
JEEBODH
T
ANC
JEFFERY
J H
ANC
JOEMAT
R R
ANC
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JORDAN
Z P
ANC
KALAKO
M U
ANC
KALYAN
S V
DA
KANNEMEYER
B W
ANC
KASIENYANE
O R
ANC
KASRILS
R
ANC
KATI
J Z
ANC
KEKANA
N N
ANC
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KGARIMETSA
J J
ANC
KGAUWE
Q J
ANC
KGWELE
L M
ANC
KOMPHELA
B M
ANC
KOORNHOF
G W
ANC
KOORNHOF
N J J van R
DA
KOTA
Z A
ANC
KOTWAL
Z
ANC
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LAMANI
N E
ANC
LANDERS
L T
ANC
LEE
T D
DA
LEKGORO
M K
ANC
LEKGORO
M M S
ANC
LEKOTA
M G P
ANC
LEON
A J
DA
LE ROUX
J W
DA
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LISHIVHA
T E
ANC
LOBE
M C
ANC
LOCKEY
D
ANC
LOUW
J T
ANC
LOUW
S K
ANC
LOWE
C M
DA
LUCAS
E J
IFP
LUDWABE
CI
ANC
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LUTHULI
A N
ANC
LYLE
A G
ANC
MABANDLA
B S
ANC
MABE
L L
ANC
MABENA
D C
ANC
MABUDAFHASI
T R
ANC
MABUZA
D D
ANC
MADASA
Z L
ACDP
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MADIKIZA
G T
UDM
MADIKIZELA-MANDELA
N W
ANC
MADUNA
P M
ANC
MAGASHULE
E S
ANC
MAGAZI
M N
ANC
MAGUBANE
N E
ANC
MAGWANISHE
G B
ANC
MAHLANGU-NKABINDE
G L
ANC
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MAHLAWE
N
ANC
MAHOMED
F
ANC
MAIMANE
D S*
ANC
MAINE
M S
ANC
MAKANDA
W G
ANC
MAKASI
X C
ANC
MALAHLELA
M J
ANC
MALONEY
L
ANC
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MALULEKE
D K
DA
MALULEKE-HLANEKI
C J
ANC
MALUMISE
M M
ANC
MANIE
M S
ANC
MANUEL
T A
ANC
MAPISA-NQAKULA
N N
ANC
MARS
I
IFP
MARTINS
B A D
ANC
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MASALA
M M
ANC
MASEKA
J T
UDM
MASERUMULE
F T
ANC
MASHIMBYE
J N
ANC
MASITHELA
N H
ANC
MASUTHA
M T
ANC
MATHEBE
P M
ANC
MATHIBELA
N F
ANC
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MATLANYANE
H F
ANC
MATSEPE-CASABURRI
I F
ANC
MATTHEWS
V J G
IFP
MAUNYE
M M
ANC
MAYATULA
S M
ANC
MAZIYA
M A
ANC
MBADI
L M
ANC
MBETE
B
ANC
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MBOMBO
N D
ANC
MBULAWA-HANS
B G
ANC
MBUYAZI
L R
IFP
McINTOSH
G B D
DA
MDLADLANA
M M S
ANC
MENTOR
M P
ANC
MESHOE
K R J
ACDP
MFUNDISI
I S
UCDP
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MIDDLETON
N S
IFP
MILLIN
T E
AIM
MKONO
D G
ANC
MLAMBO-NGCUKA
P G
ANC
MLANGENI
A
ANC
MNANDI
P N
ANC
MNCWANGO
M A
IFP
MNGOMEZULU
G P
ANC
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MNGUNI
B A
ANC
MNUMZANA
S K
ANC
MODISE
T R
ANC
MODISENYANE
L J
ANC
MOEKETSE
K M
ANC
MOFOKENG
T R
ANC
MOGOBA
M S
PAC
MOHAMED
I J
ANC
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MOHLALA
R J B
ANC
MOKOENA
A D
ANC
MOLEBATSI
M A
ANC
MOLEWA
B G
ANC
MOLOI
J
ANC
MOLOTO
K A
ANC
MONGWAKETSE
S J
ANC
MONTSITSI
S D
ANC
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MOONSAMY
K
ANC
MOORCROFT
E K
DA
MOOSA
M V
ANC
MORKEL
C M
DA
MOROBI
D M
ANC
MOROPA
R M
ANC
MORUTOA
M R
ANC
MORWAMOCHE
K W
ANC
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MOSS
M I
ANC
MOTHIBA
L C
ANC
MOTHOAGAE
P K
ANC
MOTUBATSE-HOUNKPATIN
S D
ANC
MPAHLWA
M B
ANC
MPAKA
H M
ANC
MPONTSHANE
A M
IFP
MSHUDULU
S A
ANC
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MSOMI
M D
IFP
MTHEMBU
B
ANC
MTHETHWA
E N
ANC
MTSWENI
N S
ANC
MUDAU
N W
ANC
MUFAMADI
F S
ANC
MULDER
C P
FF
MULDER
P W A
FF
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MUTSILA
I
ANC
MZONDEKI
M J G
ANC
NAIR
B
ANC
NASH
J H
ANC
NCINANE
I Z
ANC
NDOU
R S
ANC
NDZANGA
R A
ANC
NEFOLOVHODWE
P J
Azapo
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NEL
A C
ANC
NEL
A H
DA
NENE
N M
ANC
NEWHOUDT-DRUCHEN
W S
ANC
NGALEKA
E
ANC
NGCENGWANE
N D
ANC
NGCOBO
N
ANC
NGCULU
L V J
ANC
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NGEMA
M V
IFP
NGIBA
B C
IFP
NGUBANE
B S
IFP
NGUBANE
H
IFP
NGUBENI
J M
ANC
NGWENYA
M L
ANC
NHLANHLA
J M
ANC
NHLEKO
N P
ANC
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NHLENGETHWA
D G
ANC
NIEMANN
J J
NEW NP
NJOBE
M A A
ANC
NKABINDE
N C
UDM
NOBUNGA
B J
ANC
NONKONYANA
M
ANC
NQAKULA
C
ANC
NQODI
S B
ANC
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NTOMBELA
S H
ANC
NTSHULANA-BHENGU
N R
ANC
NTULI
B M
ANC
NTULI
J T
ANC
NTULI
M B
ANC
NTULI
R S
DA
NTULI
S B
ANC
NWAMITWA-SHILUBANA
T L P
ANC
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NXUMALO
S N
ANC
NZIMANDE
L P M
ANC
ODENDAAL
W A
NEW NP
OLCKERS
M E
NEW NP
OLIFANT
D A A
ANC
OLIPHANT
G G
ANC
OLIPHANT
M N
ANC
OMAR
A M
ANC
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OOSTHUIZEN
G C
ANC
OPPERMAN
S E
DA
PAHAD
A G H
ANC
PAHAD
E G
ANC
PHADAGI
M G
ANC
PHALA
M J
ANC
PHEKO
S E M
PAC
PHOHLELA
S
ANC
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PIETERSE
R D
ANC
PILLAY
S
NEW NP
PRETORIUS
I J
DA
RABIE
P J
DA
RABINOWITZ
R
IFP
RADEBE
B A
ANC
RADEBE
J T
ANC
RAJBALLY
S
MF
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RAMAKABA-LESIEA
M M
ANC
RAMGOBIN
M
ANC
RAMODIKE
M N
ADP
RAMOTSAMAI
C M P
ANC
RASMENI
S M
ANC
RATSOMA
M M
ANC
REDCLIFFE
C R
DA
REID
L R R
ANC
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RHODA
R T
NEW NP
RIPINGA
S S
ANC
ROOPNARAIN
U
IFP
ROUTLEDGE
N C
ANC
RWEXANA
S P
ANC
SALOOJEE
E (Cassim)
ANC
SCHALKWYK
P J
DA
SCHIPPERS
J
NEW NP
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SCHMIDT
H C
DA
SCHNEEMAN
G D
ANC
SCHOEMAN
E A
ANC
SCHOEMAN
R S
NEW NP
SEATON
S A
IFP
SEECO
M A
UCDP
SEKGOBELA
P S
ANC
SELFE
J
DA
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SEMPLE
J A
DA
SEPTEMBER
C C
ANC
SEPTEMBER
R K
ANC
SEREMANE
W J
DA
SHABALALA
T
IFP
SHABANGU
S
ANC
SHOPE
N R
ANC
SIBANDE
P M
ANC
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SIBIYA
M S M
IFP
SIGCAU
S N
ANC
SIGCAWU
A N
ANC
SIGWELA
E M
ANC
SIKAKANE
M R
ANC
SIMMONS
S
NEW NP
SISULU
L N
ANC
SITHOLE
D J
ANC
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SKHOSANA
W M
ANC
SKOSANA
M B
IFP
SKWEYIYA
Z S T
ANC
SMITH
P F
IFP
SMITH
V G
ANC
SMUTS
M
DA
SOLO
B M
ANC
SOLOMON
G
ANC
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SONJICA
B P
ANC
SOSIBO
J E
ANC
SOTYU
M M
ANC
SOUTHGATE
R M
ACDP
SWART
P S
DA
SWART
S N
ACDP
TALJAARD
R
DA
TARR
M A
ANC
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THABETHE
E
ANC
THERON
J L
DA
TINTO
B
ANC
TOLO
L J
ANC
TSHABALALA-MSIMANG
M E
ANC
TSHEOLE
N M
ANC
TSHIVHASE
T J
ANC
TSHWETE
P
ANC
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TUROK
B
ANC
TWALA
N M
ANC
VADI
I
ANC
VAN DEN HEEVER
R P Z
ANC
VAN DER MERWE
A S
NEW NP
VAN DER MERWE
J H
IFP
VAN DER MERWE
S C
ANC
VAN DEVENTER
F J
DA
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VAN JAARSVELD
A Z A
NEW NP
VAN NIEKERK
A I
FA
VAN WYK
A (Anna)
NEW NP
VAN WYK
A (Annelizé)
ANC
VAN WYK
J F
ANC
VAN WYK
N
ANC
VEZI
T E
IFP
VOS
S C
IFP
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WATERS
M
DA
WOODS
G G
IFP
XINGWANA
L M T
ANC
XULU
M
IFP
ZITA
L
ANC
ZONDI
K M
IFP
ZONDO
R P
ANC
ZULU
N E
IFP
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ZUMA
J G
ANC
TABLINGS:
National Assembly and National Council of
Provinces:
Papers:
1.
The Minister of Home Affairs:
Government Notice No 847 published in
Government Gazette No 24587 dated 14 March
2003: Notice of Intention to adopt regulations,
made in terms of section 7(1)(a) of Immigration
Act, 2002 (Act No 13 of 2002).
Please note: This is a correction of a tabling
recorded on the Announcements, Tablings and
Committee Reports, dated 24 March 2003.
2.
The Minister of Public Enterprises:
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Report and Financial Statements of Eskom
Limited for 2002.
3.
The Minister of Social Development:
(a) Government Notice No R 460 published in
Government Gazette No 24630 dated 31 March
2003: Amendment to Regulations regarding
grants and financial awards to welfare
organisations and to persons in need of
social relief of distress, made in terms of
section 19 of the Social Assistance Act,
1992 (Act No 59 of 1992).
(b) Government Notice No R 461 published in
Government Gazette No 24631 dated 31 March
2003: Increase in respect of social grants,
made in terms of the Social Assistance Act,
1992 (Act No 59 of 1992).
National Assembly:
1.
The Speaker:
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(1) Sixth Report of the Working Group on the
African Union, dated 7 April 2003:
Sixth Report of the Working Group on the
African Union
1.
Introduction
The Working Group has since tabling its
fifth report on 20 September 2002 had
five meetings. On 12 November 2002 the
Working Group received a detailed
briefing by the Minister of Foreign
Affairs specifically on the
establishment of the organs of the
African Union and NEPAD. The Deputy
Minister of Foreign Affairs briefed the
Working Group on 11 March 2003 on the
Protocol to the Treaty Establishing the
Peace and Security Council of the
African Union.
2.
Research projects
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The research projects as outlined in
the Fourth Report of the Working Group
to the National Assembly, tabled on 20
May 2002, have been completed and the
Working Group will now consider the
reports. The researcher who was
assigned to do the project on
"developing a comprehensive strategy
for public awareness and civil society
involvement in the AU" has withdrawn
from the project. The Working Group
will now be using resources it has
received to facilitate public awareness
of the AU.
3.
Third Seminar on the African Union
The Working Group convened a seminar on
5 and 6 February 2003.
The purpose of
the seminar was to provide an
opportunity for members of Parliament
to develop a clearer understanding of
the issues relating to the African
Union. Among other things, the seminar
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focused on discussions relating to
progress on the establishment of the AU
and its organs, civil society
involvement in the AU and the role of
national Parliaments in relation to the
AU. The seminar report is available on
Parliament's website
www.parliament.gov.za.
4.
Establishment of the Pan-African
Parliament
The establishment of the Pan-African
Parliament has been delayed due to the
slow ratification of the Pan-African
Parliament Protocol by some countries.
In this regard, the Working Group has
agreed to:
(1) Once again raise the matter of
ratification at the forthcoming
meeting of the SADC-PF and other
international meetings of African
parliamentarians;
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(2) Communicate with African
Parliaments and/or regional
Assemblies urging ratification;
(3) Convene a seminar for countries
that have ratified the Protocol to
begin to develop a common vision
and understanding; and
(4) Follow up with the African Union on
the establishment of a
representative steering committee
of parliamentarians that will
support and co-ordinate the steps
necessary to achieve the
ratification of the Protocol.
5.
Recommendations
The National Assembly should consider -
(1) Producing brief inserts in
different languages for radio
broadcast aimed at popularising the
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AU and its organs, particularly the
Pan-African Parliament;
(2) Convening a seminar for African
Parliaments in May 2003 with a view
to interacting with other African
Parliaments and Regional
Parliamentary formations, including
the SADC Parliamentary Forum, in
order to:
a.
strategise on strengthening
ratification of the Pan-African
Parliament Protocol by those
countries that have not
ratified yet;
b.
build a common vision and
understanding around the
establishment of the PanAfrican Parliament;
c.
create an enabling environment
for the political process
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around the establishment of the
Pan-African Parliament to gain
momentum; and
d.
enable Parliaments that have
ratified the Protocol to build
momentum around the political
processes for initiating and
consolidating the establishment
of the organs of the AU,
particularly the Pan-African
Parliament.
TUESDAY, 8 APRIL 2003
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
National Assembly and National Council of
Provinces:
1.
Bills passed by Houses - to be submitted to
President for assent:
(1) Bills passed by National Council of
Provinces on 8 April 2003:
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Pensions (Supplementary) Bill [B 11 2003] (National Assembly - sec 77).
(ii)
Usury Amendment Bill [B 1 - 2003]
(National Assembly - sec 75).
2.
Introduction of Bills:
(1) The Minister of Trade and Industry:
(i) Liquor Bill [B 23 - 2003] (National
Assembly - sec 76) [Explanatory summary
of Bill and prior notice of its
introduction published in Government
Gazette No 24628 of 27 March 2003.]
Introduction and referral to the Portfolio
Committee on Trade and Industry of the
National Assembly, as well as referral to
the Joint Tagging Mechanism (JTM) for
classification in terms of Joint Rule 160,
on 9 April 2003.
In terms of Joint Rule 154 written views on
the classification of the Bills may be
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submitted to the Joint Tagging Mechanism
(JTM) within three parliamentary working
days.
TABLINGS:
National Assembly and National Council of
Provinces:
Papers:
1.
The Minister of Finance:
The Intergovernmental Fiscal Review for 2003
[RP 27-2003].
2.
The Minister of Public Enterprises:
Strategic Plan of the Department of Public
Enterprises for 2003-2006.