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Jeff's Famous Pizza
Last Update: 8/22/06
This pizza is modeled after Patsy's on 117th street in NYC. I have been working on this for SIX years, but FINALLY I can
report that I have achieved my goal. Many people have tried my pie and swear it is not only the best pizza they've ever had,
but a clone of the original Patsy's recipe. This pie is incredibly light and perfectly charred. It took just 2 minutes and 10
seconds to bake at 825F.
Reproducing this was no easy feat. It's been a bit of an obsession. I've had a lot of failed experiments. It's only now, in the
past 6 months that I can honestly say that the recipe is fully accurate and reproducible. The final breakthrough came in Jan
2005 when I finally got a handle on the proper mixing equipment and procedure. But do not think that following this will be
easy. It's not. It will still take practice. A few others have confirmed that by following these steps they too have come to near
perfection. This may be the most detailed, accurate and complete recipe on the net for making a true Pizza Napoletana.
Mmmmm.
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One of my best tasting pies ever:
Me - Do I look happy or what?
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Check out many more photos at the bottom.
I am going to add a lot more instructions and photos over the next couple of months, including specifics on how to culture the
dough, so check back here occasionally. I may even do a few seconds of video here and there to show certain things.
Let me start off by saying a few things. First, this is about a certain style of pizza. This site is about the kind of pizza that you
can get at the oldest and best places in the U.S. or in Naples. This is not about Chicago style or California Style or trying to
reproduce Papa John's garlic sauce... This is about making a pie that's as close to Patsy's or Luzzo's or Pepe's or some of the
top Brick Oven places.
Second, I want to say that there is a LOT of misinformation out there. Take a tour of the top places (there's a list at the
bottom of this page). None of these place publish their recipes. They don't write books. You are not going to see any of these
places represented at the "U.S. pizza championship" where they compete it dough tossing or who makes the best smoke pork
mango pizza.. The real pizza places are not at some trade show out in Vegas where they hawk automatic sauce dispensers and
conveyor belt ovens. But somehow though, all the attendees of these shows declare themselves experts and write books and
spread the same false ideas. There are about a hundred books and internet recipes that claim to give an authentic or secret
pizza dough recipe. Oddly, while many claim to be secret or special, they are practically all the same. Here it is in summary.
If you see this recipe, run screaming:
Sprinkle a yeast packet into warm water between 105-115 F and put in a teaspoon of sugar to feed it. Wait for it
to foam up or 'proof'. Add all your flour to a Kitchen Aid heavy duty mixer, then add the yeast and salt. Now
mix until it pulls away from the side of the bowl. Coat with oil and leave in a warm place until it doubles in bulk,
about 1-2 hours. Punch down, spread on a peel with some cornmeal to keep it from sticking and put it on the
magical pizza stone that will make this taste just like Sally's in your 500F oven.
I assure you, this will not make anything like a real pizza. It's weird - even chefs whose other recipes all come out pretty
good, like Emeril, simply pass around more or less this same terrible recipe.
Pizza is a true specialty item and a real art. It takes passion to make it right. I am not a restaurateur. But I do have a passion
for doing this right. I'm not going to give you the 'easy home version'. I'm going to give you the version that makes the best
pie I know how to make, even if it takes a bit more effort (ok, more than just a bit)
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There are a lot of variables for such a simple food. But these 3 FAR outweigh the others:
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High Heat
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Kneading Technique
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The kind of yeast culture or "starter" used along with proper fermentation technique
All other factors pale in comparison to these 3. The brand of flour, the kind of sauce, etc. I discuss all of these things, but if
you don't have the 3 fundamentals above handled, you will be limited.
1- It's all in the crust. My dough is just water, salt, flour and yeast. I use no dough conditioners, sugars, oils, malts, corn meal,
flavorings or anything else. These violate the "Vera Pizza Napoletana" rules and I doubt that Patsy's or any great brick oven
place uses these things. I've only recently begun to measure the actual "baker's percents" of the ingredients. Use this
awesome spreadsheet to help you. The sheet allows you to track your experiments. Here's a basic set of ratios. The truth is
that a lot of these recipes look the same and that you can vary these ingredients by several percentage points and it's not going
to make a huge difference. You really have to learn the technique, which I'm going to explain in as much detail as I can, and
then go by feel. Really, I just measure the water and salt and the rest is pretty flexible. The amount of flour is really, "add
until it feels right." The amount of Sourdough starter can range from 3% to 20% and not affect the end product all that much.
Weights are in grams. I also show this as both "Baker's Percents" (This has flour as 100% by definition and then all the other
ingredients as their proportionate weight against of the flour) and using the Italian method which actually makes more sense
to me, of showing the base as 1000 grams of water and all the other ingredients in proportion to that. Both methods are
attempts to make the recipes scalable.
Ingredient
Filtered Water
King Arthur Bread flour, or Caputo Pizzeria flour
Kosher or Sea Salt
Sourdough yeast culture (as a battery poolish)
1 Pie
115.00
185.00
4.60
16.00
3 Pies
345.00
555.00
13.80
48.00
5 Pies
575.00
925.00
23.00
80.00
Instant Dry yeast - Optional
Total
0.50
321.10
1.50
2.50
Baker's %
62.16%
100.00%
2.49%
8.65%
Grams Per Liter of
Water
1,000.00
1,608.70
40.00
139.13
0.27% 4.35
If you use Caputo or any 00 flour, you may find that it takes a lot more flour for the given amount of water. Probably a
baker's % of 57% or so. One reason I like to feel the dough rather than strictly measure the percent hydration is that with feel
you don't have to worry about the type of flour so much. A Caputo and a Bread will feel the same when they are done, even
though one might have 57% water and the other 62%. It's the feel that I shoot for, not the number. I vary wetness based on
my heat - higher the oven temp, the wetter I want the dough.
I've heard it said that NY has the best pizza because of the water. This is a myth. Get over it. It's not the water. The water is
one of a hundred factors. I filter my whole house with a huge 5 stage system, so I use that. If I didn't have that I'd spring for a
$1 bottle of Dasani. That will do it too.
Salt only the final dough, never your permanent sourdough culture. For that matter, your culture is fed only water (filtered or
Dasani) and flour. Never add any other kind of yeast, salt, sugar or anything else to your permanent culture.
I use a sourdough culture that I got from what is probably the best pizza in the USA - Patsy's Pizza on 117th street in NYC.
The place has been there for 80 years. The 'battery poolish' is about 50/50 water and flour.
Buy the book "Classic Sourdoughs" by Ed Wood from www.sourdo.com to learn how to use a sourdough starter. The term
sourdough does not necessarily mean that this has a San Francisco Sourdough flavor. The term sourdough just means any
yeast other than "baker's yeast" which is what comes in the dry or cake form. There are 1000's of types of yeast. But the
commercial products are all the same strain (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) regardless of the brand you buy. Commercial or
"baker's yeast" gives a fast, predictable rise, but is lacking in flavor. All other yeasts are called sourdough. San Francisco
sourdough is one strain. But there are 1000's of others. I doesn't have to taste sour, like San Francisco, to be called
sourdough. It's just a term. You can "create your own" culture by leaving some flour water out on the counter. There are lots
of kinds of yeast in the air in your kitchen right now and one of them will set up shop eventually in your flour water and
begin growing. What will it taste like? Well, it's like setting a trap for an animal and waiting for dinner. It could be a
pheasant. It could be a rat. You have no way of knowing. Do yourself a favor and skip this part and just buy or obtain a
known high quality starter. www.sourdo.com sells strains from the world's best bakeries. I've seen many bogus things about
the use of starters. A classic is that you can start a wild culture by setting out some flour, water and baker's yeast and the
baker's yeast will 'attract' other yeasts. This is alchemy. It's like saying I put out dandelions and they attracted peaches. It
makes no sense. Another myth is that you can get the same flavor out of packaged yeast as you can out of a sourdough
culture if you handle it right. This is also alchemy. Can you get parsley to taste like thyme if you handle it right? These are
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distinct organism, like spices, that all have a different flavor. If you use a starter, and you should, then learn from Ed Wood.
A sourdough starter actually consists of 2 separate organisms which exist in a symbiotic relationship. There is the yeast and
the lactobacilli. Here's the cliff notes version of what's happening: All flavor really comes from the lactobacilli, all the puff
from yeast. The yeast operate well at high temp. The lactobacilli at any temp. Therefore, to develop highly flavored dough
put it in the fridge. The yeast will be mostly dormant, giving time for the lactobacilli to produce flavor. The flavor takes a day
or more. So you have to keep the yeast on ice that long. Then you take it out of the fridge and let the yeast take over and
produce gas. The yeast only needs an hour or two to do this part. This can happen very quickly in a warmer. There is no need
for a gradual rise, because at this point the flavor is there. You can smell the alcohol in the dough. The yeast are just adding
the bubbles at this point. This technique of refrigeration is called a "cold rise". There are warm rise methods that work too,
but I have not gotten the best results with them after numerous attempts. In Naples they virtually all use a warm rise, so I
don't doubt the technique can be made to work well. I may revisit this section later.
The lactobacilli and yeast exist in pairs. Not every flavorful lactobacilli has a competent yeast partner. You may find that
you've got a culture that has a great flavor, but the puff is not there. No problem. Give it a boost with plain old Baker's yeast,
which has little taste but plenty of puff. I use 1/8 teaspoon of instant dry yeast for each batch of 3-5 pies, to give it an extra
rise, but 100% of the flavor is from the Patsy's culture. All dough should age 2-3 days in the fridge. I've aged it up to 6 days
with good results. However, my culture is very mild. With some cultures 24 hours is the right amount of time and 2 days
would be too much.. You have to get to know your culture. They are all different.. 24 hours is the minimum. About 290-320
g makes the 13" pie above.
2- Flour: Lately I've gone back to using King Arthur Bread Flour. I've used AP successfully as well. The kneading seems to
be more critical. Sally's in New Haven uses soft flour. Patsy's in NYC uses hard. It has certainly been proven that you don't
need high gluten flour to make highly structured bread. I've had great and horrible pies with all kinds of flours. Kneading
and overall technique is more important than the flour in my opinion. Remember that in Naples they use 00 flour which has
less gluten than AP. The guy at sourdo.com uses AP. So I'm not convinced you need King Arthur Sir Lancelot (KASL) or
other super high gluten flours.
Since putting up this site I've been urged to try other flours. I've made pies with these 4
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King Arthur All Purpose (KA AP) - 11.7% Protein
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King Arthur Bread (KA Bread) - 12.7% protein
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King Arthur Sir Lancelot (KASL) aka Hi Gluten - 14.2% Protein
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Caputo Pizzeria 00 (11.5%, but also a finer mill)
I can make a nearly identical pie with any of these. It's mostly technique. I'm not saying that the type of flour makes no
difference, but I am saying that it's a small difference and I've had great pies from restaurants with varying types of flour.
Don't get too hung up on it. One is not 'better' than the other, it depends on the style you want. Currently I use a 50/50 blend
of Caputo and KA Bread. Caputo gives bigger bubbles and a lighter spring. But I prefer to mix it with Bread flour to give it
more strength. In Naples, the dough is very soft and hard to hold and often eaten with a knife and fork. NY street pizza is
easily folded and held. They typically use a strong Hi Gluten Flour. My pies are closer to the Neapolitan, but not quite. You
can still hold it, but sometimes it flops a bit at the tip.
The ratio of Flour and water can dramatically change the characteristics of the dough. Having said that though, I don't
measure my "% hydration". I do it strictly by feel. Lately my dough has been much much wetter than ever before. Wetter
dough stretches easier with less pull back. It seems to develop faster in the fridge. And it provides more steam for more puff
in the final baked crust. The higher the temperature of the oven, the wetter the dough should be. At super high heats needed
to make pie in 2 minutes or less, you need a lot of moisture to keep it from burning and sticking to the baking surface.
3- Kneading - This is one of the most important steps. Follow along carefully. There are 100 recipes on the net that say you
dump all the ingredients together, turn the machine on and you will have a great dough. It's not true. But once you understand
these steps your dough will transform into something smooth and amazing.
Kitchen Aid Mixer vs. Electrolux DLX mixer:
I started a little revolution on PizzaMaking.com when I dumped by Kitchen Aid Mixer and bought an Electrolux DLX mixer.
The DLX is a MUCH better machine. However, if you follow ALL the techniques here, you can get a good dough out of a
Kitchen Aid. The DLX is easier to use. You can make a dozen pies or more in it at a clip, no problem. And you can really
just let it do it's work alone. With the KA you sometimes have to stop it and pull the dough off the hook and continue. So I
like the DLX. But I know many of you have already bought Kitchen Aids. As long as you follow the process carefully, you
should be OK. The DLX takes a while to get used to, but now I'm really rocking with it. See Dough.htm for early
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experiments. Join groups.yahoo.com/group/Mixer-Owners for info on the DLX and how to use it. I use a DLX with the
Roller and Scrapper attachments. I will put up photos of this process at some point.
The Wet-Kneading Technique with Autolyze
I call this process Wet-Kneading. It's the key to great dough:
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Autolyse - Autolyse is a fancy word that just means one simple thing. The flour and water should sit together for at
least 20 minutes before kneading begins. It's a CRITICAL step. Some say that you should mix just the flour and water
together, then after 20 minutes add the salt and yeast, then mix. Others say you can add all the ingredients at the
beginning. I have found very little difference.
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Pour all the ingredients into the mixer, except just use 75% of the flour for now. So all of the water, salt, poolish
(Video of Poolish), Instant dry Yeast (if used) and 75% of the flour are put into the mixer. Everything should
be room temperature or a bit cooler.
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There is no need to dissolve the yeast in warm water or feed it sugar. 'Proofing' the yeast was probably required
decades ago, but I've never had yeast that didn't activate. The yeast feeds on the flour so you don't need to put in
sugar. The proofing step that you see in many recipes is really an old wives tale at this point.
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Mix on lowest speed for 1-2 minutes or until completely blended. At this stage you should have a mix that is
drier than a batter, but wetter than a dough. Closer to batter probably.
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Cover and Let it rest for 20 minutes. One of the most important things I've found is that these rest periods have a
huge impact on the final product. I've seen so much arguing online about the proper flour for making pizza. "You
need super high protein flour to get the right structure for a pizza dough". People argue endlessly about brands
and minor changes in flour blends, types of water, etc. A lot of this is myth and a big waste of time. The autolyse
period is FAR more important to creating structured gluten development than is the starting protein percentage.
Autolyse and knead properly and AP flour will produce a great pizza with a lot of structure. Do these steps
poorly and bread or high gluten flour will not help you at ALL. This step reminds me of mixing pie dough. After
you add the water to pie dough, it's crumbly. But after sitting for 20 minutes, it's a dough. The water takes time
to soak in, and when it does it transforms the pie dough. It's really a similar thing here with pizza dough
Wet Kneading
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Start Mixing on Low speed for 8 minutes. 5 minutes into it start adding flour gradually.
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This part is critical and it's something that I did not understand at all until relatively recently: Even if the dough
is very sticky - that is it does not have enough flour in it to form a ball and it is still halfway between a batter and
a dough - it is still working. This is where MOST of the kneading occurs. The gluten IS working at this point
even though it's not a dough yet.
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If you are using a KA, and you lift the hook, the dough should fall off by itself. The hook should look like
its going through the dough, and not pushing the dough around. It should be that wet until nearly the end.
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With the DLX you can play with the scrapper and the roller, pressing them together to allow the dough to
extrude through the gaps. This really works the dough. If you haven't seen a DLX you have no idea what
I'm talking about, but I'll put up photos. The DLX mechanism is totally different than a regular mixer.
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After the first 6-8 minutes increase the speed of the mixer slightly. I never go higher than 1/3 of the dial on my
mixer. Keep in mind that in the old days they mixed this by hand (Anthony at Una Pizza Napoletana in NYC still
does). You should add most of the remaining flour. But you still want a very wet dough, so don't go crazy.
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At some point during this process the dough should be getting much firmer and should form more of a ball. Mix
another minute or so a this stage You may find that the dough is sticking to the roller /hook and not really
working too much at this point. This is why it's so important to do most of the mixing at the earlier, wetter
stages. Once the dough is at this point, it is done. My recommendation is this: DON'T BE A SLAVE TO
RECIPES AND PERCENTAGES. It's fine to use the spreadsheet or other measures as a guideline, but you have
to judge how much flour goes into the dough by feeling it. Do NOT force more flour into the mix just to reach a
number. If the dough feels good and soft and you still have flour you have not put in, don't sweat it. Leave it out.
In the end you need a wet dough. In fact, even the the dough has formed more of ball, if you let it sit, it should
spread out a little and look a little limp. This is what you want, not a tight ball, but a slack, wet soft dough.
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One of the best ways to see how your dough is doing is to sprinkle a little flour on in and just feel it. It should
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feel baby bottom soft. If you don't sprinkle flour it will just feel sticky and not look smooth. But sprinkle a tiny
bit of flour and now its soft and smooth. This is what you want. This is a much gentler recipe than most and it
shows in the final dough.
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With Hi Gluten flours a commercial mixer and a dry dough, you will find that the dough is tough to work and
consequently both the machine and the dough will get very hot. Commercial bakers compensate by starting with
cool water and by measuring the temperature of the dough as they go. The procedures I'm outlining don't require
this. The wet knead technique and the lower protein all but eliminates the friction. You can expect the dough to
heat only about 3-4 F while mixing, so it's not an issue.
Let it rest for 15-20 minutes. If you were to do a window pane test before the rest, you might be disappointed.
Afterwards it will test well:
Yes, this dough is so thin, you can read right through it. This is what is meant by "windowpaning". You never actually stretch it
this thin when making a pie. But I just want you to see what is achievable. In fact, you can make an excellent pie without
getting it this well kneaded. But you should know how to do this as part of your overall repertoire. This dough would never rip
or fight with you when being stretched to perfect pizza size. This dough was made with King Arthur Bread Flour, not high
gluten flour. You can achieve this windowpaning even with All Purpose flour. Technique and not the starting protein % is the
key.
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Much talk on the web says that the dough's extensibility/elasticity will be affected by how long the dough rises and at
what temp and the kind of yeast. In my opinion, these are very, very minor factors. The mixing/kneading process and
the hydration are 90% of the battle. After the dough has been kneaded and rested for a few minutes, the deed is done.
It's either going to spread well or it isn't. You can't fix it at this point by adjusting rise times and temps. If you find that
your dough is not extensible enough or rips when you stretch it, odds are HIGH that it has not been autolysed long
enough, not kneaded well enough and/or it's too dry. If you are using a Kitchen Aid Mixer you may notice that the ball
sticks to the hook and kind of just spins around and doesn't seem to be really working. Mixing an extra 20 minutes
seems to do nothing because it's just spinning helplessly on the hook. Ugh. Mix at a wetter more pliable stage and you
can fix this problem
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Pour out onto a floured surface and portion into balls with a scrapper. I use a digital scale. The dough at this point
should be extremely soft and highly elastic. I use 310g per 13" pie. The more elastic the dough, the less you need.
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I store the dough in individual 3 cup Glad plastic containers as you see below. I wipe them with an oiled paper towel super thin coating. This will help them come out of the container. But I don't want any oil in the dough. The rules for
"Vera Pizza Napoletana" say no oil. I probably have literally one or two drops per ball. Oil the container and not the
dough. You only need a drop or two of oil cover a whole container - you can kind of polish it with oil using a paper
towel. In contrast, it you'd need a teaspoon to oil the dough because you can't spread it so thin. Also the ball would
probably need oil on both sides, which is bad because by oiling the top of the dough (which will end up being the
bottom of the pizza), you are going to get oil on your pizza stone which will burn at high temps in an unpleasant way.
Since you want to minimize the amount of oil, oil the container. For similar reasons, I don't use zip loc bags. Stick to a
container.
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How wet should the dough be? I think many will be surprised to see just how wet I have my dough. With each of these,
you can click the photo to enlarge. I'm showing these because I want you to get a sense of how that dough should look
and feel. This high level of hydration is not necessarily best for low temperature ovens. But if you are cooking at 800F,
like Patsy's, this is what you want:
This dough has rested for 20 minutes in my DLX mixer. You can see how wet it is. This is enough for 6
balls of dough.
It almost pours out (with a little push from a spatula). But you can see how easily it stretches ans how wet
it still is.
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This is the unshaped mass. Next I sprinkle a little bit of flour on it and knead it by hand for 30 seconds,
just to reshape it.
In just a few seconds it looks totally different. The outside is drier because it has been sprinkled with
flour. Inside it is still very wet and as I cut it with a dough scrapper into balls, I have to sprinkle a little
more, just to keep it from sticking to my hands.
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I cut it and put it into these easy to find Glad containers. They cost about $1 each at the supermarket..
I've got like 15 of them. They are perfectly sized for individual dough's. I strongly prefer these to plastic
bags. They are sealable and that keeps in the moisture. They stack easily in the fridge, and the dough
comes out easily and without deflating the dough in the process. I spread the container with a drop or
two of olive oil.
This is how the final ball looks when it goes into the fridge
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I let them rest another 10 minutes, then put them in the Fridge for 1-6 days. If your dough is very wet it may start out
as a nice looking tight ball, but over time in the fridge it looks like it's sinking into a disk. This may appear worrisome.
When you see dough sinking there may be several causes. Dough that is 'slack' - overworked and/or old, will sink like
this. But if you've followed these instructions this is not the reason your dough is sinking. The sinking is caused by the
fact that the dough is very wet. Don't worry about it. It's probably going to be very good.
This is the dough several days later. It's been sitting out warming up for about an hour. Notice that it has
not risen that much. It does have more volume - probably about 50% more than the dough above. But it's
also changed shape - it's so wet and soft and when it rises it kind of just spreads out. This is what you
want. This dough is ready for baking.
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Most recipes say that the dough should double in size. This is WAY too much. In total the dough should expand by
about 50% in volume. It would seem like the more yeast bubbles in the dough, the lighter the pizza will be. This is the
intuitive guess. But it's not true. The yeast starts the bubbles, but it's really steam that blows the bubbles up. If the yeast
creates bubbles that are too big, they become weak and simply pop when the steam comes resulting in a flat dense, less
springy crust. Think of blowing a bubble with bubble gum. How tight is a 2 inch bubble? It depends: As you start with
small bubble and blow it up to 2 inches it's strong and tight. But at 4 inches it's reached it's peak.. Now it pops and
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shrinks back to 2 inches. It's very weak. So a 2 inch bubble is strong on the way up and weak on the way down. You
want bubbles on the way up. If the dough is risen high, the bubbles are big and the dough will have a weaker structure
and will collapse when heat creates steam. The lightest crust will come from a wet dough (wet = a lot of steam), with a
modest amount of rise (bubbles formed, but small and strong).
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My oven takes about 80 minutes to heat up. The dough finishes rising in about the same time. So I take the dough out
and start the oven at the same time. The softer the dough, the faster the rise. It's simply easier for small amounts of
carbon dioxide to push up on a softer dough. If I see that the dough is rising too slowly, I place it in the top oven (I've
got a double oven), which I heated to like 95F before starting the bottom oven on it's cycle. 80 minutes might seem
like a fast rise, but the real development is done in the fridge. If the dough falls a little after rising, you've waited too
long and you will find it's past it's prime. Ideally you should use it well before it's at it's peak. This takes experience.
You are better off working with a dough that is under risen, than over risen.
Over risen dough (don't do this).
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When you spread the dough, you will find that it's not great for spinning over your head. It would have been really
great at this when you first did the windowpane test. But now that it has risen it's soft like butter and just stretches
easily. Don't worry about the spin. If you want to impress everyone with spin, make a drier dough with a hi gluten flour
and let it age for just a few hours and you can spin all you want.
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Never use a rolling pin or knead the dough or man handle it. You are just popping the bubbles and will have a flat
dough.
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Build a little rim for yourself with your fingers,. then spread the dough. Can you see how smooth this dough looks?
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Spread the dough on the counter and then move to the peel. One goal is to use very little bench flour, especially if you
are cooking over 800F. At high temps, the flour will turn bitter, so you are better off shaping on the counter, then
moving to the peel, which will result in less bench flour. With a very wet dough this takes some practice. You don't
necessarily have to use a lot of bench flour, but it does have to be even. You don't want the dough sticking to the peel,
of course. I put plenty of flour on the counter, but just a tiny amount on the peel, which I spread evenly with my hands.
When I move from the counter to the peel, most of the flour on the dough shakes off.. Once on the peel, shake it every
once in a while to make sure the dough is not stuck. Always shake it just before placing it in the oven, otherwise you
may find that it's stuck to the peel and falling off unevenly onto the stone. At that point you probably can't recover well
and you'll make a mess. So always shake just beforehand. Lately, I put out a small pile of about 1/2 cup of flour on my
countertop and then I remove the dough from the container and put it directly on the pile, flip it and flour both sides,
even making sure I get the edge. Then I move the dough to another section of the counter and start stretching. I put a
tiny amount of flour on peel and spread evenly by hand. As I stretch the dough and lift it, most of the flour falls off, but
it is on there evenly. When I make the pie, I work quickly, so as not to let the moisture in the dough come out through
the tiny dry flour coating. Then, and this is important, I shake the peel prior to putting it in the oven, just to make
certain it's loose. In fact, you can shake it at any time during the process. If you are taking too long to put on the
toppings or there is some delay, shake again. Make sure it never sticks. Don't resort to using too much flour or any
cornmeal. It just takes practice to use very little flour, yet still keep it from sticking.
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If you've made the dough correctly you should be able to spread it with no problem. If it is pulling back on you and
trying to shrink, you have not mixed it enough. If you've done half the steps above, you should not be experiencing this
problem at all though.
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You can spread the dough a bit at a time. Do it half way, then wait 10-15 seconds, then spread a little more, then a little
more. Be gentle with it.
4- The Oven: I've got my oven cranked up to over 800 F. Use this section with caution: i.e. no lawyers please. I'm just telling
you here what I did. I'm not telling you what you should do. In Naples, Italy they have been cooking pizza at very high
temperatures for a long time. There are some real physics going on here. The tradition is to cook with a brick oven. I don't
have a brick oven. So this is what I do:
On most ovens the electronics won't let you go above 500F, about 300 degrees short of what is needed. (Try baking cookies
at 75 instead of 375 and see how it goes). The heat is needed to quickly char the crust before it has a chance to dry out and
turn into a biscuit. At this temp the pizza takes 2 - 3 min to cook (a diff of only 25F can change the cook time by 50%). It is
charred, yet soft. At 500F it takes 20 minutes to get only blond in color and any more time in the oven and it will dry out.
I've never cooked a good pizza below 725 - a 5 min pie. And that's pushing it. The cabinet of most ovens is obviously
designed for serious heat because the cleaning cycle will top out at over 975 which is the max reading on my Raytec digital
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infrared thermometer. The outside of the cabinet doesn't even get up to 85F when the oven is at 800 inside. So I clipped off
the lock using garden shears so I could run it on the cleaning cycle. I pushed a piece of aluminum foil into the door latch (the
door light switch) so that electronics don't think I've broken some rule by opening the door when it thinks it's locked. Brick
ovens are domed shaped. Heat rises. There is more heat on top than on the bottom. A brick oven with a floor of 800F might
have a ceiling of 1200F or more, just a foot above. This is essential. The top of the pizza is wet and not in direct contact
with the stone, so it will cook slower. Therefore, to cook evenly, the top of the oven should be hotter than the stone. To
achieve this, I cover the pizza stone top and bottom with loose fitting foil. This keeps it cool as the rest of the oven heats up.
When I take a digital read of the stone, I point it at the foil and it actually reads the heat reflected from the top of the oven.
When it hits 850, I take the foil off the top with tongs and then read the stone. It's about 700-725. Now I make my pizza. As
I prep, the oven will get up to 800Floor, 900+ Top. Perfect for pizza. Different ovens have different heat distributions. I
experimented extensively with foil to redistribute the heat. I tried using one layer, multiple layers and I adjusted the amount I
used on the top and the bottom. I also played with using the shiny side up or down, etc. Eventually, I worked out a simple
system for myself.
The exact temp needed depends on the type of flour and the amount of water. The more protein, the quicker it burns. Hi
Gluten flour may burn at these temps. In general, I recommend higher gluten flours for lower temp ovens. This will yield a
more NYC style pie. For a more Neapolitan pie I recommend lower protein flours and a hotter oven. I use Bread rather than
KASL at these high temps. Caputo Pizzeria 00 flour has even less protein than KA bread. See my report below. Also the drier
it is the more it burns. So in general, at high temps you need a very wet dough.
I make sure that I cover any glass loosely with foil because it will shatter if a drop of sauce gets on it. With the foil it's fine. I
make sure the foil is loose. If it's fitted to the glass, it will transfer heat too quickly and the glass is still in jeopardy. You can
even use 2 layers of loose foil to be sure. Another problem is that once the cleaning cycle starts, it just pumps heat into the
oven and I can't reduce the temp. If I get a late start (my guests are late or my dough needs another 30 minutes to rise), I can't
just shut off the oven and then start it up again in 15 minutes. Once I cancel the cleaning cycle, I can't start it up again until
the oven cools below 500F (at least on my Kitchen Aid oven). Therefore I have to wait and cycle back around. It's like an
hour ordeal. But I have worked around these issues and I now have enough experience that I can pretty much control my
temperature. I can cool the stone, for example, by placing a metal sheet pan on it for a minute or so. It will absorb a
tremendous amount of heat very quickly. I never do this with Teflon which releases unseen toxic chemicals over 600F. I
Remove this pan with the peel, rather than with oven mitts to prevent burns. Occasionally I also place something in the door
jam, like a meat mallet, for a few minutes to let heat out.
Brick Oven vs. Other Ovens: I have a list (which I will post someday) of my top 10 places. 9 of these use coal fired brick
ovens. But interestingly, the number 1 place uses a regular old gas fired oven that you see in any pizza store in NYC. This is
Johnny's in Mt. Vernon, NY. Worth a pilgrimage for sure. They also use dry sliced Mozzarella instead of fresh. Go figure.
That place is an enigma. They are also very secretive. I can tell you they definitely use a sourdough culture because I
obtained it from pizza place across the street (yeasts can take over a neighborhood) but it died out. I'm going to get it again
someday.
Patsy's is #2 on my list. It used to be #1 but my last 3 trips to were disappointing. There is a new guy working the oven and
the pies are coming out like dry crispy flatbreads. It was NOT good. And I saw a review in a magazine that had a photo of a
Patsy's pie and that one also looked dry and crispy and the article even described it that way. Yuck!. The reviewer at
SliceNY.com also mentioned that he might downgrade Patsy's if they slip any more . So this means that Johnny's, which
used to be tied with Patsy's, now sits alone at the top of my list. I've got it as Johnny's, Patsy's, Sally's, Luzzo's, Una Pizza
Napoletana, me, then Sac's. Frankly, if they don't shoot the new cook, Patsy's could drop from my top 5 because right now
it's resting on it's laurels. Lombardi's is just OK in my book. Nods for history, but too thick and gummy. Grimaldi's and
John's are not in my top 10 either. But the original Totonno's is up there somewhere.
Back to the Brick oven thing. I once bought a Patsy's dough and rushed it home to my oven in Atlanta and baked it. The
dough itself was incredible. It was the most windowpaning, blistering and elastic dough I've ever seen, by a wide margin.
Very impressive. But when I baked it, it was just ok. It tasted a little flat. It had less of a charred flavor even though it had a
charred color. It actually tasted exactly like my own pies tasted at that time. By that was a long time ago. My own latest pies
have overcome a lot of this. I'm aging my dough longer than Patsy's and I think that is making up for some of the difference.
My opinion is that the coal and the fire adds about 10-20% but the rest is the heat distribution. If you can get that right in a
regular oven, you are going to be thrilled with the results. Johnny's proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. My latest pies
are nearly perfect too. Some of these pies look & tasted just like a Patsy's pie, I'm not sure you could tell the difference.
And believe me, I notice small differences or I wouldn't have come this far. These latest pies are really, really close. The
photos above, as well as those below are good examples.
Of course, if you do have access to brick oven, especially one that uses coal, by all means use it. But LEARN to use it. I've
seen too many brick oven places that make terrible pizza. Why? Because they think that having the oven is all they need to
do. You still have to have everything else right. And I've even seen brick ovens where the heat is not right. I just saw a place
with a Brick oven that had it set to 395F. Such a total waste of time. Go the extra mile and get yourself the right digital
thermometer and work the oven correctly. This will take a lot of practice.
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My first Brick Oven Experience: I just tried a friend's brick oven. We had a lot of trouble holding the temp right and most of
the pies were cooked at 500-600F. So I'm not done experimenting yet. But I can say this: a 7 minute pie in a brick oven does
taste better than a 7 min pie in an electric. So there definitely is something good going on in that oven. I will post more on
this as I make progress.
5- I use a Raytec digital thermometer. I notice that every spot in my oven is a different temperature. I've learned what's
going on inside. These brands are much cheaper than the Raytec. I haven't used them, but they look fine to me and are much
cheaper, under $60:
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/esiest65.html
http://store.yahoo.com/bradystools/teingun4to93.html
6- Dry mozzarella cheese: This step is totally optional and I don't do this anymore. Early on I was having problems with my
mozzarella cheese breaking down due to the high heat. I was also having problems with the sauce sogging up the dough. So I
used dry boars head mozzarella, sliced on a machine under the sauce. This protected the dough. But I've since improved both
my sauce and wet mozzarella management so I don't use dry cheese anymore. However, I should note that the only pie that
I've tasted that might actually be better than Pasty's is Johnny's in Mt. Vernon. They use only dry sliced cheese. I'm not sure
of the brand, but it is fantastic. Patsy's does not use this step, nor is it true Neapolitan.
7- Lay fresh basil right on the dry cheese or sauce. It's important that the leaves get a bit wet or they'll just burn. Just tap the
tops with the bottom of the sauce spoon to moisten. Basil is great fresh out of an herb garden. I will post more on this
someday. Don't wash your basil. It just kills it.
8 - Sauce: For years I was so focused on the dough that I let the sauce lapse. I just didn't do much with it. But now I feel that
my dough is consistently great, I have focused more on the sauce and it has really transformed into something
wonderful. The key step is something I call 'Tomato Rinsing".
But first let's start with the tomatoes themselves. My favorite brand of tomato is Cento from Italy. There is a lot of talk about
buying tomatoes grown in the San Marzano Valley which has rich volcanic soil. Others claim the region is now polluted. I
don't know. All I know is what I taste. I've not been too impressed with San Marzanos I've tried. These are in rough order
with the best at the top.
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Cento Italian
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Tuttorosso
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Sclafani San Marzano (DOP Certified)
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Vantia
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Cento San Marzano (DOP Certified)
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Muir Glen
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San Marzano Brand (grown in California, the liars)
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Pomi (in the paper box)
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Red Pack
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LaBella San Marzano 'Brand' (not really grown in San Marzano valley either - more liars)
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Bella Rosa whole peeled tomatoes from http://www.escalon.net,
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Georgia Gold Red (local to me)
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and many cheaper brands.
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I have not tried these, but Marco vouches for them, so they might be excellent. I don't think they are easy to find
though.
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Others praise these, but I have not tried them:
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Stanislaus
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I know that Patsy's buys from Sassone in the Bronx (where I grew up). But I haven't tried a case yet. They may
be repackaging any number of brands.
Everyone vouches for Escalon, but I dislike them. The Escalon are round tomatoes, whereas most of the Italian brands are
Plum tomatoes, which I strongly prefer. I also prefer the plain Cento Italian over the Cento DOP Certified San Marzano.
Here are my Prep tips:
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Always buy Whole Peeled Plum Tomatoes and crush them yourself.
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Shake every can as you buy it. If it sounds watery, it is likely to be more bitter. Try to get cans which sound more
viscous. The sound will vary a bit by season. They try to pick and pack in just one season, but still there are seasonal
differences even within the same brand.
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If you have a local tomato supplier, try those too.
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One time I bought a jar of tomatoes at a farmers market - no can. These were hand packed and they had no tin can
taste. They were excellent but all the major suppliers use cans. Be on the lookout for jars someday...
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If you want to go crazy and make your own, try 'ugly ripe' heirloom tomatoes. The taste of these are amazing and I use
these when I need whole tomatoes.
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When I open a can I taste it. Every can is a little different. About 10% of the cans I just throw out because they are too
bitter and I put too much effort in the dough to waste it on a $2 can of bad tomatoes.
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DON'T make a sauce. That is, don't pre-cook the tomatoes. The tomatoes will cook on the pizza. If you cook a sauce
first, it will cook again on the pizza, turning it brown and yucky. No need to make a sauce. Look at how overcooked
many sauces are. The best places don't do this. This is actually the one step in this whole process that you can save
yourself some time.
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I strain the seeds. This is really optional. If you do choose to do it, follow these steps, which seem obvious now, but
took me a long time to flesh out:
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Pour the can out into a bowl
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Cut the green/yellow stem ends off the tomatoes with your hands or a paring knife, then discard.
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Squeeze out the seeds into the puree and then Dip the tomato into the puree. You can even cut the tomato open to
get out any remaining seeds, by essentially rinsing them with the puree. This will have all the seeds fall into the
puree.
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Put the flesh back in the can
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At the end of this process you have a can of flesh and a bowl of watery puree and seeds. Strain this, pouring the
puree back into the can. In the strainer are then 90% of the seeds, all by themselves. Discard the seeds.
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Now crush the tomatoes. This is one of those areas where I made a recent change for the better and it's really helped a
lot. I used to crush the tomatoes by hand. But it was always a bit chunky. Now I blend them with an immersion mixer
("boat motor"). I cannot tell you exactly why this has made a huge improvement in the TASTE of the tomatoes, but it
has. I've done side by side taste tests. The tomatoes should be crushed but not puree'd. Go Easy. I have nothing against
using a food processor or mill, but I will say that you should not crush by hand.
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Tomato Rinsing: All cans have some bitterness. To lessen this I have developed a process that I call Tomato Rinsing.
Strain the tomatoes in a fine mesh strainer.. If the mesh is fine, the water will be mostly clear with very little tomato
escaping. If the water is very red, pour it back on top of the tomatoes and continue straining. Eventually the water will
run almost completely clear. Here's the key. The water that comes out is completely bitter. Taste it. What I do is pour
fresh water on top of the strained tomatoes and strain them again. Taste this second batch of water. It's also bitter. You
are removing bitterness and acid without losing a drop of red tomato. You can repeat this several times if you like, but
once or twice is usually fine. The net result is that what is left over, which is all the red tomato solids, is sooooo sweet
and yummy.
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Here are some other things you can do to remove the bitterness. But don't go crazy adding tons of spices and things. It's
mostly just tomatoes.
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Add some grated Romano cheese directly into the tomatoes. I use Locatelli Romano. Some have criticized this,
but I like it.
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A bit of sugar will also help 1/4 - 1 teaspoon. Taste and see.
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A pinch of salt
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A pinch of dried oregano, crushed by hand to release the oils
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If you are used to putting garlic in your sauce, try these steps once without it.
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Taste and taste
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So you are removing and then adding back water. In the end though you should have less water than you started with.
The total weight is probably about 1/3 less than you started with. But the exact amount of water you remove depends
on the overall temperature of the oven and the temperature differential in the oven.. There is not much time in a hot
oven to evaporate the sauce, so the hotter the oven, the drier the sauce must be going in. But if the top differential is
high, the sauce will evaporate too quickly and needs to start wetter. You have to test. Surprisingly, if the sauce is too
dry, it's not as sweet. You don't want it soupy but don't overstrain either. This will take real practice with your oven.
Sometimes after the first pie I add more water to my sauce. Again, this is another area where recent improvements
have really transformed the sauce. I think that when the sauce is chunky (hand crushed) it's harder to get the amount of
water right.
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Here's the strainer and Immersion mixer I use:
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Also, while straining, you are letting the crushed tomatoes sit uncovered and this really helps the tin can taste to
dissipate. Prep the tomatoes when you make the dough. Even though you are not adding too much to your sauce, the
tomatoes do better when the flavors settle in for a day and also the tin can taste dissipates. So prep a day or more in
advance. Again, this is another recent change that has helped a lot.
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Refrigerate the tomatoes if you are not using them, but let them come to room temp when put on the pie. If the sauce is
cold, the top of the dough is much colder than then bottom and you can end up with a thin layer of dough near the
sauce that is gummier and less cooked than the rest of the dough.
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When you spread the sauce on the pie, put a little less in the center because the liquid tends to pool there.
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If you are using a very hot oven like I am, don't go too close to the edge. Too much sauce near the edge will keep the
cornice from developing well. In most of the photos below I put the sauce too close to the edge myself. I will be more
conscious of this as I go.
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Use about half of the sauce that you think you need. Trust me. Experiment with less and less ingredients on the pizza and
you will see a surprising improvement in overall balance.
Using Fresh Tomato
An alternative to canned tomatoes is fresh tomatoes. Even the best cans have a tinny odor, so you'd think that nothing could
top fresh tomatoes. But using 100% fresh tomatoes is not necessarily the best thing. If you prepare fresh tomatoes and taste it
raw, compared to canned, the fresh will win. But somehow, on the pizza, the canned will win. Partly it's that the fresh tomato
taste is simply different than we are all used to and so it never tastes like your favorite pizza place. I've probably not
experimented enough to say for sure. As I stated above, I don't recommend cooking your sauce before making a pizza,
because the tomatoes will cook again on the pizza. If you think about it, the canning process itself forces the tomatoes to be
heated once before sealing, then if you cook a sauce, that's heating #2 and then the pie is #3. So I recommend cutting back to
2 times. If you switch to fresh tomatoes though, you are back to just 1 time, on the pie itself. And for a 2 minute pie, that is
not very much. So perhaps a solution, if you are using fresh tomatoes, is to cook a sauce. I will experiment a little more and
edit this section.
Another possibility is to blend fresh and canned. This has a lot of potential, I think and I will experiment with this more also.
Here's a method for preparing fresh tomatoes:
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Start with great tomatoes. I use "ugly ripe" heirloom tomatoes. These are the best to me. FYI, they are really amazing
raw for a caprese salad (tomato, Mozz, basil, oil, balsamic, salt, pepper). Other heirlooms are probably good also, as
are fresh picked local tomatoes. After that I'd probably go for plum tomatoes. I'm not a huge fan of the vine-ripe brand.
They look great, but the taste is so-so. Regular beefsteak tomatoes are really not worth the effort.
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Blanch them. Blanching is a pretty easy technique. You just put the tomato in boiling water for 30 seconds or less, then
take it out and put it in ice water for 30 seconds, then you can just peel it by hand.
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Cored them with a paring knife and pull out most of the seeds by hand.
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Ground them a bit with an immersion mixer
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Strained them. They were very, very wet and will lose a lot of weight in water.
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Added a tiny amount of sea salt and a few fresh basil leaves from the garden and that's about it.
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Cook them? As I said, this is my next experiment.
After straining I figure that it would take about 3.5 lbs of tomatoes to equal one 35 oz can. Since ugly ripes are twice the
price of any other tomatoes (they are VERY tasty) - $5.99/lb, this makes it over $20 for a small batch about equal to a $1.89
can. But who's counting...
9- Grate some Locatelli Romano and/or parmessian cheese right on top of the tomatoes & basil (do this whether you put
some romano into the tomatoes or not). But don't over do it. Just a TINY little bit. But don't skip this step. It's really key to
the sauce. Balance, balance, balance.
10- Sprinkle kosher or sea salt
11- Fresh Mozzarella. I live in Atlanta, and getting good cheese is a real problem. It's the weakest link in my pie right now.
In NYC all the mozzarella is packed in water, but it is still firm. Down here in Atlanta, I can't find great fresh mozz. It's
either dry cheese or else water logged. If the cheese is too wet, it will break down on the pizza and even disintegrate into
ricotta. Ricotta is made by processing the leftover water used to make mozzarella. If the mozz is not made right, it will
actually break down into ricotta before your eyes. Not good. You can see this in some of my photos.
In Naples they use Bufala Mozzarella which is made from water buffalo instead of cows. The problem with using Bufala
Mozz here in the US is that it's mostly imported and usually not that fresh, especially during the summer. If you can find a
good supplier, then use it. Also, note that all fresh dairy products sold in the US are made from pasteurized milk, whereas the
European versions are often unpasteurized. If you've ever had butter or cheese in Paris, for example, you know that what we
get here is bland in comparison. So reproducing what you tasted on your trip to Italy is difficult. There are a few American
suppliers of Bufula Mozz including http://www.starhilldairy.com/prod_mozzarella.shtml which is available at many Whole
Foods.
Put only about 8-10 small pieces of cheese on the pie. Better to have a few dollops than an even mix. Trust me on this one
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too. If you find, as I did, that the cheese will not hold up to the intense heat and breaks down, there are few things you can do
to keep the cheese from overheating on the pie prematurely:
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Dry the cheese extremely well by wrapping in a paper towel for 1-3 hours. You'd think the wetter it is the better it
would hold up to the heat, but its not so. The water inside boils and degrades the cheese. Sometimes the cheese is so
wet I have to change the wrapping several times. This might be avoided by simply draining for a long long time. I
think Marco says he drains for 8 hours.
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Put the cheese on in cubes rather than slices
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Start with cold cheese
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Put a tiny drop of sauce on them which has to boil off first, thus keeping the cheese insulated for a bit.
Doing all of these may be overkill. You have to experiment with your cheese.
Many cheeses packed in water are unsalted. If this is so, put in 1/4 teaspoon of kosher or sea salt in the water, preferably at
least a day before you use it. Don't over salt the cheese, as this may cause some inferior cheeses to break down somewhat.
If you can't find a cheese locally, these are some suppliers that ship fresh mozz.. It's pricey to do it this way though:
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http://www.mozzny.com/ - Pretty good but not the best NY has to offer. They shipped them in a cold pack box and
they came very fresh. If you don't have a local supplier, this is definitely a viable but expense choice.
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http://www.mozzco.com/ - I've not tried it, but these guys look very serious about their craft. Even more expensive
than the previous one.
Making your own cheese
Another alternative is to make your own cheese. I'm no expert on this, so I'm going to refer you to other internet sources. But
I'm going to give a super basic primer.
Good sources of info.
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Leeners - I would start here.
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Cheesemaking.com - this is an easy kit, but missing a few things.
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Google other recipes. There's a lot to learn.
Some basics:
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Milk
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Do not use ultra-pasteurized dairy products. The ultra-pasteurization changes the structure and it won't curdle
any more. Unfortunately, some states are allowing companies to remove the term 'ultra' and they are passing off
ultra-pasteurized as just pasteurized. So be careful.
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Start with unhomogenized milk. You probably have to go to a farmers market or dairy for this. It should be about
$6-$8 per gallon, which makes about 1 pound or a little more of cheese. When an animal is milked, it comes out
as cream and skim and the process of homogenization blends them together. It's like shaking oil and vinegar, but
the shake is so fine, it never settles out again. So an alternative to unhomogenized is to use cream and skim
together. But most creams have been ultra-pasteurized, so you have to find one that is not.
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How many water buffalo do you own? Well if you have them, use them, otherwise, find a cow. Water buffalo
milk has more fat, so one experiment worth trying is to add more cream to your cow's milk.
Acidify the milk. Milk will curdle best at a ph level of about 5.2. From my experience, using a ph test kit or digital ph
meter is essential
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Citric Acid - the easy way. You measure the acid and blend it in and presto, it's acidic. But if you measure
wrong, you are going to be unhappy with it. Note than many measuring spoon sets are not that accurate. 2 of my
1/2 teaspoons don't really equal one of my teaspoons, I discovered. There went 3 hours of my life I'll never get
back. If you put in too much it will curdle but never form a ball and be stretchable. I've had the best results
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(nothing to write home about yet), using only 1.25 teaspoons per gallon of milk, which is much less than most
recipes call for.
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Use a starter culture, just like you do for the dough. The culture eats the milk and make acid. It takes many hours
though. Of course, this is the more authentic and flavorful method, but as with all these steps, more work. There
are a lot of different cultures that can be used to vary the taste of cheese. Some recipes even just say start with
buttermilk or yogurt. But for Mozzarella, the most authentic type is called Thermophilic, but even this seems to
be a category and there are several varieties sold under that name. Just like with the yeast, there is a dry instant
culture you just toss in and a wet, keep-feeding-it-forever variety.
Additives. These are all optional:
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Italian Mild Lipase Powder - an enzyme
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Other flavoring cultures. These are Lactobacilli that produce flavor but no acid. This mirrors the whole
yeast/Lactobacilli combination we talked about with the dough. The yeast and Thermophilic organisms are doing
the critical jobs of starting bubbles and changing the acid level. But the optional Lactobacilli are doing the
flavoring.
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Calcium Chloride - helps to restore the balance between calcium and protein in store bought milk. It may also be
needed with fresh milk. I've only seen this in the Leeners recipe.
Rennet - Once the milk is acidic and heated to about 88F, you add an enzyme called rennet and it curdles in just a few
minutes
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Vegetable or animal. Rennet originally came from the lining of an animal's stomach, but most companies sell
vegetable rennet.
{
Tablet or liquid.
z
Flaked Salt
z
Thermometer. These kits all use a hand held thermometer, but I prefer to use a digital meat thermometer, because you
can just dip it over the side and get continuous readings.
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pH Test kit or digital meter.
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Once you've added the rennet, the milk curdles in a few minutes - it separates into chunky curdles and water whey.
They you have to cut it to strain the whey out of the curds and then heat it by either microwaving it or pouring hot
water (or whey) on it. I recommend the hot liquid because it gives more of a continuous heat, rather than the
microwave method which has you heat it, then work it, then heat it again, etc.
z
Be careful not to overwork the cheese or take out too much whey. Then you will end up pulling out all the fat and end
up with a dry waxy cheese, like a polly-o consistency. Watch this guy do it. He is starting with store-bought curd. It's a
dark murky video, but worth watching.
12- More salt
13- Olive Oil - This is optional. In Naples they will typically put on a good olive oil. Many oils do not stand up well to these
high temperatures. I had one Neapolitan pie at Una Pizza Napoletan in NYC with a very fruity oil from Calabria that was
outstanding, even at the high temps. But I don't have the brand. Some have suggested Collucio and Frantoia both from central
Sicily. I will try these and update later.
14- Into the oven for 2-3 minutes. There is a lot of talk about time and temp. Really, time is a better measure than temp.
Ovens vary in temp from spot to spot and even 2 stones that have the same surface temp may have a different depth to that
heat and that will really play out and affect the time. Ultimately, time is a better measure. There is a lot of debate online about
how long it takes to bake a "true" Neapolitan pie. It started off as 2 minutes, then it went to 90 seconds, then 60, then 45 and
recently 30 seconds. A lot of this is BS. It's a "boys and their toys" thing. Instead of arguing about horsepower people are
arguing about oven temp. Chill out. A pie that's cooked in 30 seconds is not necessarily better than one cooked in 120. The
faster it cooks the less crispy and more airy it is. But this is only good to a point. Some doughs that are cooked super fast
have a burnt bitter outside and are raw inside. It takes a lot of practice to get it all right. Believe me, a 2-3 minute pie is going
to be great if you follow these steps. My best pies were 2:10 - 2:30. Maybe it will get even better as I go down in time, but
I'm skeptical of the 30 second claim. I've timed pies at Luzzo's in NYC at 1:55 and at Una Pizza Napoletana at 2:10. These
are both top notch places with great pies and crust.
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If you are having problems with your pie burning on the bottom in a very hot oven, increase the hydration of the dough.
Wetter dough burns less. But also, you may have to adjust the balance of temperature (top vs. bottom) in your oven using
aluminum foil. See the section above regarding the oven.
15- Remove from oven with a peel. When a pie cooks at these high temps, you may find that it is soggier than you are used
to. In Naples, the pies are pretty wet and you cut them with a knife and fork and eat them on a plate. There are a few things
you can do to lessen the moisture. Use less sauce and drain it well. But also, I put my pies on a rack when they come out so
that any steam that is coming out of the bottom can escape. Just a 2-3 minutes on the screen then onto the metal round where
they are cut. Don't cut too quickly. The flavors need to settle and they will be more distinct with a cooler pie. If you don't
have a rack, you may find it helpful to transfer the pizza back and forth between the peel and the metal round, to allow the
steam to escape from the bottom of the pie. Make sure you dry off the metal round between pies so that moisture doesn’t
build.
With High temp pies, there is the possibility of it being a little soggy in the middle especially if you are
using a lower protein flour, such as a 00 flour. Brick ovens are very good at sucking moisture out of the
dough very quickly. One downside of an electric, even one at 800F, is that the moisture tends to pool.
One easy solution is to remove the pie from the oven and place it on a perforated metal round such as
this one. I place this on my stovetop so that the bottom is exposed, allowing moisture to evaporate for
about a minute. Then I move to a regular serving round.
16 -Season with oregano, red pepper flakes, black pepper and maybe a drop of olive oil (depending on how wet it already is).
17- Cut and serve
Good luck, but be prepared for a lot of trial and error.
This is a pretty good idea of what you will see if your oven is hot enough
Except for a minor malfunction of the fresh mozz, this is a pretty awesome pie. The new cheese
instructions given above have since solved this problem. You can see that the dry cheese underneath
bubbled and charred a bit. It was good, but I don't use dry cheese anymore. I will cut some cross
sections next time to you can see how light the crust is inside. This pie used hand crushed tomatoes
which i think are too chunky.
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The spring back on the crust is excellent. The holes are big and the crust is light and soft. But this crust
was too thin in the middle. Each pie is a learning experience. This pie had no dry cheese, just fresh mozz
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Springs right back after squeezing. Notice that the tomatoes were crushed by hand and are chunky. I
recommend blending them with an immersion mixer or food processor instead.
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More perfect charring
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This pie was awesome. Overall it's probably the best I've ever made. The dough was in the fridge for 6
days. When I took the dough out of the sealed container, it had the aroma of a fine wine. I bet it could
have gone another few days without a problem. You can see from the color that I used fresh mozzarella
from 2 different batches. Both were excellent though. The cheese breakdown problem has been solved.
No dry cheese underneath on this one.
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This pie was made with KA Sir Lancelot (KASL high gluten flour) rather than my normal KA Bread Flour.
The difference was pretty nominal. Flour is important but technique is more critical. The lesson of this
pie is that the sauce should be a little thinner in the middle than anywhere else. Can you see it pooling
towards the middle. Another lesson of this pie is that I need a better camera. My Sony CyberShot is small
and chic, but takes mediocre closeup photos.
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Next KASL from the same batch. This was an excellent pie all around. It was comparable to the last bread
flour batch that rose for 3 days, but not as good as the one that was 6 days old. That one was amazing.
This pie was among the first with machine crushed tomatoes, rather than hand crushed. It was a huge
improvement.
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This cross section shows the bread structure. See the holes. They are pretty big and the dough is
springy.
These cross sections are pretty good. The crust is well defined and high. While the bubbles are big they
are not as pronounced as they could be. The likely cause: this dough over rose slightly. The big winner
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here was the sauce. This was among the first pies with the new sauce technique and it's really an
improvement.
Same pie on the bottom. Perhaps too charred, but good.
This pie was a 6 day cold rise Caputo Pizzeria 00 with 56% hydration. Caputo dough seem to absorb
much more flour. I tried a pie with a 3 day cold rise also. I know that everyone is raving about the Caputo.
Frankly, I hardly noticed the difference. Nothing wrong with it. But I wouldn't go crazy trying to hunt it
down. In the last 4 months, mostly to deal with claims on the net, I've tried KA AP, KA Bread, KASL and
now Caputo. I'm right back where I started from. Specialty flour is not a huge factor in this process. It's
like when you see people arguing about the relative merits of 2 different tensions pulls on $1,000 tennis
rackets, meanwhile they go out and miss the ball by 8 feet. Forget it. Maybe if you are making pies at the
99.8th percentile and you want to move to the 99.9th, then you should be worrying about this. Otherwise,
let it go. Work on the BIG 3 factors: high heat, a good sourdough starter and technique (mixing and
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fermenting). This is where you will move from the 50th percentile to the 99th. Then worry about the
relative merits of the type of milling or exact mineral breakdown of sea salt from one bay to the next. As
in everything, work on the fundamentals.
This pie had excellent bubbles and spring. Another dough from the same batch rose 20 minutes less and
was cooked at 725 (vs 800 for the pie shown) and was dense with few holes. Technique, timing, heat that's the ball game. Way down the list is the flour.
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This dough was a 4 day cold rise using a blend of KA Bread, KASL and Caputo. Very wet dough. The big
thing here was that I used my Kitchen Aid mixer instead of my DLX. While the DLX is far the superior
machine, I now have a lot more experience with technique using a wet-knead. The result: the dough was
just as good in the KA as it was with the DLX. The DLX is capable of mixing much larger batches and is
easier to use, but for 4 pies or less, and with the wet-knead technique, I can now say that the KA dough is
just as good.
Both pies were exactly a 2:30 at just over 800F. I've learned that the higher the hydration, the better it
stands up to high heat. Dry dough will burn at high heat, but wet dough chars nicely. The cornice is not
as well defined as it could have been, but the crust was super soft and tasty. These pies were as close to
Pasty's as I've come. These were among my very best. They were amazing. The flavor, the texture, the
sauce were incredible. But they were not quite as 'Neapolitan' as some are striving for. These were more
NY.
Check out this perfect char
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Comparing Cheeses. Obtaining fresh Bufala Mozzarella can be difficult. The first pie is with Bufala
Mozzarella but it's not as fresh as I'd have liked. The second is with cows milk. You can see that they melt
differently. These pies were a blend of Caputo and KA Bread, baked at 840F for exactly 2 minutes each.
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The charring on both pies was excellent.
This is one of my first attempts at making my own Mozzarella Cheese. It's just unhomogenized milk, citric
acid, rennet and salt. Actually this pie had homemade dough, cheese and sauce. The sauce was from
peeling ugly ripe tomatoes and reducing them. You can see the cheese burned a little bit. But it tasted
pretty good. I have a long ways to go in the cheese making department...
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If you use too much bench flour at these high temps you will find that the residual flour is bitter. But if
you use too little you may find it hard to get the pie off the peel, especially since I am using a very wet
dough. This takes some practice. If you can't slide the pie off the peel, you may have a mini disaster. A
last resort way to recover is to fold the pie over into a calzone. This rustic looking calzone was the result
of a trainee who forgot to flour the board at all. But no one complained. It was very tasty. The small
amount of sauce on top will keep the top from burning as it puffs up closer to the heating element. I
learned this trick from Luzzo's in NYC. If the ingredients inside the calzone are relatively dry (such as
ricotta, mozz & ham), then the calzone is best if sealed. If the ingredients are wet, such as with this folded
over tomato sauce, mozz pizza, then you may want to pop a small hole in the top to allow the steam to
escape. Otherwise you may find the result in water logged inside.
This calzone was more planned. It's one of my favorite combinations: Rosemary, sun-dried tomatoes,
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fresh chopped tomatoes, mozz and pepperoni.
This is mostly for show - My current dough recipe doesn't really spin that well
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I Think this one had mushrooms on it. I'm going to post a section soon with other toppings, like my clam
pie and my onion pie.
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This pie was made with regular old White Lily flour you can find in any supermarket. It did behave and
feel a little different - it had a heavier, gummier feel when kneading. But once you have experience you
can compensate for these things. My guests did not notice the difference and said it tasted the same as
the King Arthur.
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The bubbles and spring were comparable to the King Arthur, but not as much as the Caputo
A classic Marinara Pie - Garlic Oregano, parmesan and olive oil
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The quality of the ingredients is very important. I have scoured the lands, trying every brand of flour,
tomato and cheese I could find. I've had cheese flown in, paying $75 for enough cheese for just one round
of pies, I've even made my own cheese from scratch, starting with just milk. I've tasted every brand of
tomato I could find and peeled and blanched my own from local tomato growers. And theses things do
make a difference. But there's just no getting around the simple truth of 'the big three' - High heat, good
natural yeast, and mixing technique. Getting these right will cover a lot of sins and getting these wrong
will screw up the best ingredients. Witness the crust on this pie made with cheap old White Lily flour.
This pie was very interesting. I made a fresh dough and then took an old dough that had sat in my fridge
for about 10 days, and blended them together. This tends to make a very sour - sourdough. Not in a bad
way, just very well developed and rich. Typically, if you do this, the dough will not have the lightest
structure, but will be a little flatter and chewier. Again, not necessarily bad, but different. Still, some of
my guests said this was one of my best ever. Also, I cut the cheese in cubes instead of slices and you
can see the effect. It's similar to what Luzzo's did in the very next photo. Finally, this pie had a LOT of
extra virgin olive oil on it. I often put none, but after trying Una Pizza Napoletana's pie, I gave it a try with a
lot of oil. I think if I try this again I will go much lower on the sauce to compensate. This pie was also a
little lower temp. Probably around a 3:00 or 3:15 pie.
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This pie is from Luzzo's on 1st Ave and 12th Street in NYC. Great place. I timed this at 1:55. The taste of
the crust was virtually identical to mine. Notice how the cheese was put on in cubes and allowed to melt.
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This pie is from Una Pizza Napoletana, just a block from Luzzo's in NYC. Another great place. I timed this
at 2:10. The taste of the crust was also very similar to mine, but more mild, less sourdough. It's texture
was definitely softer than mine. Anthony used all caputo flour, but also uses other 00 flours at times. This
pie uses fresh Bufala Mozzarella which was very wet. You can see how it kind of melts and puddles in the
middle. This is not what most are used to, but very common in Naples. The really obvious thing about
this pie was that it had very little sauce and a lot of fruity olive oil which held up very well despite the
heat. He said it was from Calabria but had no brand since it was provided by a friend who grows there. I
prefer more sauce, but the olive taste was very very nice too.
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This pie is from Da Michelle, which is considered one of the best in Naples. The is the authentic target. I
did not take this photo, so I didn't taste it, but it looks yummy.
This is Trianon in Naples, which is also one of the best
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Joe & Pat's on Staten Island. This is a similar style to Johnny's. Thin but much crispier crust than a
Neopolitan
Where to go for good Pizza
This article is SliceNY gives a good timeline that shows when some of these places opened. You will see that a good number
of today's best place are spinoffs from just a few of the originals. Luzzo's is brand new, but has quickly risen to the top of a
lot of lists. It's not as good as Patsy's used to be, but probably better than it is now... SliceNY also has comprehensive listings,
photos and reviews of restaurants.
City
Name
Manhattan
Luzzo's Coal Oven
Pizza
Mount Vernon, Johnny's
Oven Time Rank Comments
Coal
1:55
Deck
4:30
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Location
9.75 Not as good as Pasty's was in it's
211 1st Ave
prime, but probably the best currently. Between 12th & 13th St
(212) 473-7447
9.75 I talk about this place above. It's very 30 W Lincoln Ave, Near
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NY
non-standard, but deserves it's
ranking near the top. Closed Sunday,
Monday and whenever they feel like
it.
9.75 This used to be a 10 - the gold
standard. But it has fallen off a lot and
may drop further. If you get a great
pie, it's still the best in town.
9.5 Excellent. Interestingly, the only
Wood oven on the list.
Gramatan Ave
(914) 668-1957
Manhattan
Patsy's
Coal
3:00
Manhattan
Una Pizza
Napoletana
Wood
2:10
New Haven,
CT
Sally's
Coal
6:00
Atlanta, GA
Jeff's House
New Haven,
CT
Astoria,
Queens
Mamaroneck,
NY
Brooklyn
Pepe's
Coal
9
Sac's
Coal
8.5
Sal's
Deck
9
Totonno's
Coal
Manhattan
Joe's
Deck
8
Manhattan
Ben's
Deck
7.5
Get the Sicilian Slice
123 Macdougal St
Hawthorne, NY Sabatino's
Coal
7.5
Manhattan
Arturo's Coal Oven
Coal
6
101 Old Saw Mill River Rd
(914) 773-0108
106 West Houston St
Manhattan
John's
Coal
5.5
Was great the first time, not so great
the next
Can be great on a good day. Very
smokey
Overrated. Spin-off from Lombardi's.
Manhattan
Carmine 28
Wood
5.5
Manhattan
Lombardi's
Coal
5
Manhattan
La Pizza Fresca
Wood
5
Brooklyn
Grimaldi's
Coal
4.5
Manhattan
Two Boots
Deck
4
Good try, but not up to the better
places on the list. Pizza was too thick
and was raw inside.
First Pizza place in the US. Worth a
trip for the history and the
atmosphere, but not a great pizza.
Too thick and gummy. Probably the
heaviest pie on the list
I tasted this a long time ago, before I
was such a pizza snob. But I didn't
love it. It simply too soft and not that
flavorful
Bland and overrated. Spin-off from
Patsy's.
Went way down hill
Manhattan
Naples 45
Wood
2
Terrible. Like eating a cracker
200 Park Ave, Near Grand
Central
1260 Amsterdam Avenue
Near 122nd Street
192 Mott St
Corner of Kenmare St.
(212) 219-2353
146 W. Houston St.
(212) 253-2290
2671 Broadway
Between 101st & 102nd Streets
(212) 663-7651
1424 Avenue J
(718) 258-1367
Electric 2:10
4:00
9.5
9
8
Worth the drive. Listed on Food
Network as #1 in the U.S. Spin-off
from Pepe's
Ok, this is just me, not a restaurant.
But I had to get in here somewhere.
On a good day, I can be a little higher,
but I lack consistency since I only do
this once a month.
Really good but with Sally's next door,
I never seem to make it here.
Really good for both Sicilian and
regular.
Get the Sicilian Slice
Manhattan Location is Terrible.
Westchester Location is pretty good.
Spin-off from Lombardi's.
Best walk in Slice in NYC
2287 1st Avenue
Between 117th & 118th
(212) 534-9783
349 E. 12th St.
Between 1st & 2nd Avenues
(212) 477-9950
157 Wooster St
203) 624-5271
Right Here :-)
237 Wooster St
(203-865-5762
2541 Broadway
316 Mamaroneck Ave
(914) 381-2022
Coney Island
Carmine Street, Near Bleeker
278 Bleecker Street
(212) 677-3820
Carmine Street
32 Spring Street
31 East 20th Street
(212) 598-0141
Under the Brooklyn Bridge
201 W 11th St / 44 Avenue A
Next up on to be tried:
Manhattan
Sezz Medi
To be Tasted...
Manhattan
L’Asso
To be Tasted...
Manhattan
DeMarco's
To be Tasted...
Manhattan
Sal & Carmine's
To be Tasted...
Brooklyn
Di Fara Pizzeria
To be Tasted...
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Forest
Hills,Queens
Staten Island
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To be Tasted...
L&B Spumoni
Gardens
Nick's Pizza
Joe & Pat's
New Haven,
CT
Naples, Italy
Modern Apizza
Trianon
Wood
Naples, Italy
Da Michelle
Wood
Naples, Italy
Antica Pizzeria
Brandi
Wood
2725 86th St
(718) 449-1230
To be Tasted...
108-26 Ascan Ave
718-263-1126
To be Tasted...
1758 Victory Blvd.
Near Manor Rd.
(718) 981-0887
To be Tasted...
874 State St
(203) 776-5306
Mario Batali's Favorite and the most Via P. Colletta 46
crowed in town.
(081) 553-9426
Very traditional. Some think it's the
Via Cesare Sersale 1/3
best,
(081) 553 92 04
Birth of the Margherita pizza. Touristy Salita Santa Anna di Palazzo 2
(081) 416928.
Good luck to all:
Jeff Varasano
Jeff@think2020.com
fitness
equipment
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