FASTENERS
JULY 2008
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
22-24 JULY 2008
OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTEL
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by
vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a
communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be
considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, 22, JULY, 2008
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1.
Call to Order/Quorum Check
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson, John Sattler. A quorum was
established with user members defined below.
An attendance roster was distributed for all to sign. The following attendance list
includes all present during the CLOSED and OPEN meetings on Tuesday –
Thursday (07/22-24/2008):
ATTENDANCE
User Members Present:
* Mark Crevier
* Mark Covert ++
* Glen Heide
Martha Hogan Battisti
* Ed Lu
* Will Macias
Chris Reilly
* John Sattler (Chair)
Don Strickland
Patricia Wesemann
Paul Woolley
Pratt & Whitney
Honeywell Aerospace
The Boeing Company
The Boeing Company
Honeywell Aerospace
Goodrich
Hamilton Sundstrand
Hawker Beechcraft Corp.
General Dynamics – Gulfstream Aerospace
The Boeing Company
Rolls-Royce plc
Other Participants/Members:
Matt Blager
* Jean-Francois Chevalier
Matt Crill
Pamela Cremeeds
Acument Global Technologies
LISI Aerospace
ATK Aerospace Structures
Acument Global Technologies
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* Dave Eshleman
Todd Gerlach
Ninan Idiculla
* Rick Kuhns
* Dick Landt
* Lee Parsley
* Barry Reid
Frank Romero
Jon Steltenpohl
Stephanie Voyer
K. Suryanarayana
Donna Warner
The Young Engineers
ITW
Paulo Products Co
Bristol Industries
PCC - SPS Technologies
Click Bond
Shur-Lok/SPS Technologies
ITW CIP
Paulo Products
Alcoa Fixations Simmonds
Sundram Fasteners
Heartland Precision Fasteners
* Task Group Voting Member
++ Proxy for Patrick Harger (Honeywell Aerospace)
PRI Staff:
Jim Bennett
Con Murren
Dan Neal
1.2
PRI – Staff Engineer
PRI - Auditor
PRI - Auditor
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
The minutes from the February 26-28, 2008 meeting were approved.
Motion made by Crevier & seconded by Parsley to approve minutes.
Motion Carried Unanimously
2.0
USER PRIME BUSINESS ITEMS (CLOSED SESSION)
Staff engineer Bennett presented the user primes a training session on the
expectation of reviewing audit report packages on behalf of the task group. This
presentation is to be given to all user prime representatives who intend to review
Fastener audit report packages. Upon training received and meeting the criteria
to become a user voting member, the task group will vote in the user
representative as an audit reviewer.
Motion made by Lu & seconded by Macias to approve Mark Covert to review
audit report packages for the Fasteners group.
Motion Carried Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to forward training package to those user primes attending
the training session.
Discussion ensued regarding mandates. Chairperson Sattler suggested the TG
create a letter about the mandate to senior management. Further discussions
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ensued. Task Group created a presentation to address key points associated
with the Fasteners program.
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to clean up and forward Fasteners Task Group Mandate
Presentation to User Primes.
High level Nadcap management are reviewing the status of the FTG due to the
lack of going forward with the mandates.
Question was asked if SAE intend to establish a Fasteners Qualified Products
List (QPL). Crevier confirmed via communication with colleague from SAE E25
that there were no plans to have a QPL.
SE Bennett presented the staff delegation presentation given to all task groups
to address changes in NOP-003. Staff Delegation template was created to be
used by all. Questions relating to interpretation of requirements in terms of reworking of the audit report were briefly discussed. Based on no delegated staff in
the FTG and no experience in the Task Group on how the Fasteners program
would address staff delegation, no further discussions were held.
Task Group is still in need of a Vice Chair & Secretary.
ACTION ITEM: User Primes to discuss further at the next meeting (Redondo Beach).
3.0
PRI STAFF REPORT (OPEN SESSION)
Staff engineer Bennett presented the staff report.
Staff Report
4.0
USER PRIME/SUPPLIER VOTING MEMBERSHIP (OPEN SESSION)
Glenn Heide from The Boeing Company was put forward to vote, as alternate
voting representative for The Boeing Company. Heide satisfied NTGOP-001
requirements.
Motion made by Lu & seconded by Covert to approve Heide as user prime
alternate voting members for the Fasteners task group.
Motion Carried Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify records accordingly to reflect change.
Mark Covert acted as proxy for Patrick Harger for this meeting.
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ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to include Covert to circulation lists.
5.0
PROCEDURES/FORMS REVIEW (OPEN SESSION)
SE Bennett gave presentation on the applicable procedures that were changed /
modified since the last Task Group meeting.
Procedure Changes
Brief discussion regarding EC-LR (Export Controlled – License Required)
hardware and the effect on the Nadcap program. Currently PRI is requesting
licenses to address any potential concerns regarding the reviewing of technical
data with PRI Staff and Auditors.
Question asked regarding the appeals process. SE Bennett outlined the
requirements and reiterated that the commodity task group is responsible for the
technical aspects and the NMC is responsible for addressing Nadcap procedural
issues.
NTGOP-001 app 10 was balloted, however did not receive all the necessary
votes. SE Bennett stressed to the group the need to provide responses to
ballots. Task Group members who had not provided a vote were asked to review
the documentation and approve / disapprove accordingly so the required
numbers could be achieved.
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to provide ballot sheets for NTGOP-001 App 10 to the
Task Group for review and subsequent discussion during the open session on
Thursday.
Reid and Kuhns highlighted concerns regarding the wording on some of the
procedural requirements contained in NTGOP-001 App 10 that allowed the Task
Group to waive requirements (namely Staff Delegation). To be discussed during
the ballot review.
Following additional time given Thursday, the appropriate number of ballot votes
was received for the ballot process to continue. As a result, the comments were
discussed with the Task Group.
Ballot Comments &
Resolution
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Motion made by Crevier & seconded by Lu to approve document subject to the
administrative change.
Motion Carried Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to make administrative change to document and ballot to
NMC.
6.0
NADCAP FASTENERS AUDIT EXPERIENCE (OPEN SESSION)
Dave Eshleman from The Young Engineers presented his experience with the
Nadcap Fasteners program.
The Young Engineers
Donna Warner from Heartland Precision Fasteners presented her experience in
terms of the checklist from a recent Fasteners Audit.
Heartland Precision
Fasteners
Dan Neal gave presentation on the auditors experience from the recent
Fasteners Audits.
Auditors Experience
7.0
OPEN DISCUSSION (OPEN SESSION)
Due to time constraints this item was discussed on Wednesday. No items were
brought forward for discussion.
WEDNESDAY, 23, JULY 2008
8.0
NMC, SSC, P&O & AQS REPORT OUTS (OPEN SESSION)
SE Bennett identified key items discussed during the Planning and Operations &
Nadcap Management Council (NMC) meetings.
Reid gave presentation on the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) meeting held.
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SSC Report
9.0
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDINGS (MOU) (OPEN SESSION)
MOU with AQS was recently signed.
MOU was drafted during the meeting between Fasteners and Material Testing
Group.
MTL Proposal
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to submit MOU to MTL for comment.
Brief discussion regarding Heat Treatment Commodity not approving the MOU.
Sattler agreed to discuss with Heat Treat Chair.
ACTION ITEM: John Sattler to discuss with Doug Matson (HT) putting team together to
review AC7113/2.
10.0
FASTENERS – SUB TIER CONTROL (OPEN SESSION)
Brief discussion ensued regarding the level of sub-tier control in that Fastener
Manufacturers are responsible for assessing there sub-tiers. Sub-Tiers will not
be required to obtain Nadcap accreditation for Fasteners, unless specifically
mandated via the User Primes. Task Group has previously addressed this issue
and does not intend to discuss any further.
11.0
INITIAL AUDITOR QUALIFICATION/TRAINING (OPEN SESSION)
As with item 10.0, Task Group has previously addressed this issue and does not
intend to discuss any further.
Task Group returned to agenda item 7.0 – OPEN DISCUSSION. No issues were
identified.
12.0
AUDIT CRITERIA/HANDBOOK REVIEW (OPEN SESSION)
Ballot comments associated with AC7113 were reviewed and discussed
accordingly.
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AC7113 Ballot
Comments
Motion made by Crevier & seconded by Lu to approve document based on
resolution of ballot comments.
Motion Carried Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to make changes to AC7113 following ballot comments
resolution, issue 14 day affirmation ballot and ballot to NMC.
ACTION ITEM: Address Con Murrens comments at the next checklist review of
AC7113.
13.0
SUPPLEMENTAL USER PRIME BUSINESS ITEMS (CLOSED SESSION)
Discussions ensued regarding mandates and what actions the Task Group can
take. Chairperson Sattler gave 2006 presentation that was created for the
implementation of the Fasteners program.
ACTION ITEM: Sattler to provide copy of the presentation to PRI Staff for distribution
to the User Primes.
THURSDAY, 24, JULY, 2008 (OPEN SESSION)
Further to Task Group representatives reviewing NTGOP-001 App 10 ballot and the
required number of voting members achieved, the Task Group reviewed the comments
and voted accordingly. Refer to agenda item 5.0 PROCEDURES/FORMS REVIEW.
14.0
AUDIT CRITERIA/HANDBOOK REVIEW CONT’D (OPEN SESSION)
Reviewed AC7113/5 (MTL) and the proposed comments. Warner and Landt
made a number of recommendations and as a result will form part of a sub-team
(with Lu) to further review checklists and present at the September meeting.
ACTION ITEM: MTL Sub-Team to review and recommend changes to AC7113/5.
Report at the September meeting.
AC7113/5 Proposed
Changes
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to make changes accordingly to the checklist and distribute
to MTL for comment.
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to add Warner and Landt to the MTL Sub-Team roster.
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Task Group further discussed the lack of mandates issued by the User Primes. It
was reiterated that the Nadcap Strategic group will be discussing the mandates
at a future teleconference call. Warner presented a letter from the President of
Heartland Fasteners identifying the benefits and need for the program.
Heartland Fasteners
Letter
Reviewed AC7113 and the proposed comments.
AC7113 Proposed
Changes
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to make changes accordingly to the checklist for eventual
ballot.
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to contact Con Murren to obtain additional clarification on
his recommendations for changes.
Reviewed AC7113/1 and the proposed comments.
AC7113/1 Proposed
Changes
ACTION ITEM: SE Bennett to make changes accordingly to the checklist for eventual
ballot.
Neil Clarke (Rolls-Royce plc) and Jim Hartman (Honeywell Aerospace)
discussed with the Task Group the proposed changes in order to align the
Materials Testing Laboratories – Fastener Checklist and the Fasteners –
Materials Testing Checklist. Intent being that the MTL checklist would be
withdrawn. Based on a number of proposed changes presented by Warner, the
Fasteners MTL sub-team will review and recommend changes to AC7113/5.
Presentation to be given at September meeting.
15.0
NEXT MEETING DATE/LOCATION/AGENDA (OPEN SESSION)
The Task Group will not meet in Japan. The meeting is scheduled for September
16 (Tuesday) – September 18 (Thursday), 2008. The hotel has been confirmed
as the Crowne Plaza Redondo Beach and Marina Hotel. Address and contact
details are as follows:
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Crowne Plaza, Redondo Beach and Marina Hotel
300 N. Harbor DR
Redondo Beach
CA 90277-2552
USA
Tel: +1 310 318 8888
16.0
ACTION ITEM REVIEW/CLOSING COMMENTS (OPEN SESSION)
All actions from the Task Group meeting are recorded as follows:
July TG Meeting RAIL
Motion made by Heide & seconded by Macias to adjourn meeting.
Motion Carried Unanimously
ADJOURNMENT – 4:00PM
Minutes prepared by:
Jim Bennett
bennett@sae.org
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
Due date:
NTGOP-001 App 10 for
NMC ballot
PRI Staff
Sept 08
AC7113 for NMC ballot
PRI Staff
Sept 08
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