VAN BIBBER PIONEERS E-NEWSLETTER
Vol. 3 No. 7 – May 1999
Greetings:
Again, I am a little late with the newsletter, but now that I am retired perhaps I can catch
up.
I still did not get all of the material the subscribers sent into this newsletter, but it will
appear in the June issue of the newsletter for sure. Again, I want to thank everyone that sent
material. You are a great help.
We now have two hundred and fifty-two subscribers.
-------------------CONTENTS
New Members and Change of Address
Op Den Graeff Letter Against Slavery
More On Isaac Vanbibber And Maria Wallraven Of Delaware And Athens County, Ohio
More On The Athens County, Ohio Van Bibber Family
Obituary Of Mrs. Benjamin Robinson
Pedigree Of Anna L. Lutz
Tombstone Of Elizabeth (Trescot) Van Bibber
Van Bebber Memorabilia
Moses Haney And Nancy Van Bibber
Pedigree Chart Of Charles R. Schafer
Books On-Line
Goody Bibber
The Matthew’s Trading Post
Queries
------------------ -NEW MEMBERS
Harold R. Wilcox (wilcoxh@mfi.net)
CHANGE OF ADDRESS
Linda Ames (linames@mindspring.com)
-------------------OP DEN GRAEFF LETTER AGAINST SLAVERY
By Pat Gast (pat@netcnct.net)
Subject: Letter of 1688
Source: "The Pennsylvania German in the Revolutionary War", 1775-1783 by Henry Melchior
Muhlenberg Richards. Publisher: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1978.
Repository: The Dalles Public Library, 722 Court St., The Dalles, OR 97058
Begin last line page 4: The first voice, raised on this continent, for individual [p.5] freedom,
irrespective of color, was that of the German settlers in Germantown, in the following protest
against slavery, sent to the Quakers, which is given "verbatim et literatim." The handwriting of
the original appears to be that of Pastorius.
"This is to ye Monthly Meeting held at Rigert Worrells. These are the reasons why we are
against the traffick of mens-body as followeth: Is there any that would be done or handled at this
manner? viz. to be sold or made slave for all the time of his life? How fearful & fainthearted are
many on sea when they see a strange vassel being afraid it should be a Turck, and they should be
tacken and sold for Slaves in Turckey. Now what is this better done as Turcks doe? Yea rather is
it worse for them wch say they are Christians for we hear, that ye most part of such Negers are
brought heither against their will & consent, and that many of them are stollen. Now tho' they are
black, we cannot conceive there is liberty to have them slaves, as it is to have other white ones.
There is a saying, that we shall doe to all men[p.6] licke as we will be done our selves : macking
no difference of what generation, descent, or Colour they are. And those who steal or robb men,
and those who buy or purchase them, are they not all alicke? Here is liberty of Conscience, wch
is right & reasonable, here ought to be lickewise liberty of ye body, except of evildoers, wch is
an other case. But to bring men hither, or to robb and sell them against their will, we stand
against. In Europe there are many oppressed for Conscience sacke; and here there are those
oppressed wch are of a black Colour. Ans we, who know that men must not commit adultery,
some do commit adultery in others, separating wifes from their housbands, and giving them to
others and some sell the children of these poor Creatures to other men. Oh, doe consider well this
things, you who doe it, if you would be done at this manner? and if it is done according
Christianity? You surpass Holland and German in this thing. This mackes an ill report in all
those countries of Europe, where they hear off, that ye Quackers doe here handle men, Licke
they handel there ye Cattle; and for that reason some have no mind or inclination to come hither.
And who shall maintaine this your cause or plaid for it! Truely we can not do so except you shal
inform us better hereoff, viz. that christians have liberty to practise this things. Pray! What thing
in the world can be done worse towarts us then if men should roob or steal us away & sell us for
slaves to strange Countries, separating housband from their wife & children. Being now this is
not done at that manner we will be done at , therefore we contradict & are against this traffick of
men body. And we who profess that it is not lawfull to steal, must lickewise avoid to pruchase
such things as are stolen, but rather help to stop this robbing and stealing if possible [pg.7] and
such men ought to be delivred out of ye hands of ye Robbers and set free as well as in Eurpoe.
Then is Pensilvania to have a good report, in stead it hath now a bad one for this sacke in other
Countries. Especially whereas ye Europeans are desirous to know in what manner ye Quackers
doe rule in their Province & most of them doe loock upon us with an envious eye. But if this is
done well, what shall we say, is don evil?
"If once these slaves (wch they say are so wicked and stubborn men) should joint
themselves, fight for their freedom and handel their masters & mastrisses, as they did handel
them before; will these masters & mastrisses tacke the sword at hand & warr against these poor
slaves, licke we are able to believe, some will not refuse to doe? Or have these negers not as
much right to fight for their freedom, as you have to keep them slaves?
"Now consider well this thing, if it is good or bad? and in case you find it to be good to
handel these blacks at that manner, we desire & require you hereby lovingly that you may
informe us herein, which at this time never was done, viz. that Christians have Liberty to do so,
to the end we shall be satisfied in this point, & satisfied lickewise our good friends &
acquaintances in our natif Country, to whose it is a terrour or fairfull thing that men should be
handeld so in Pensilvania.
"This was is from our meeting at Germantown hold ye 18 of the 2 month 1688 to be
delivred to the monthly meeting at Richard Warrels"
"Gerret Hendricks
"Derick Op De Graeff
"Francis Daniell Pastorius
"Abraham Op Den Graef."
Pat Gast
-------------------MORE ON ISAAC VANBIBBER AND MARIAWALLRAVEN OF DELAWARE AND
ATHENS COUNTY, OHIO
By Sandra Quinn (DSABQUINN@ worlnet.att.net)
This is from my file, it is a collection of documents, cemetery lists, e-mails and word of mouth,
and there may be some errors, but I am willing to work on correcting
anything anyone wants to add or share with me. Compiled by Sandra Quinn and Pete VanBibber
and Gary Hawpe
Descendants of Isaac Van Bibber
Generation No. 1
1. Isaac1 Van Bibber was born 1778 in Delaware, and died 1851 in Athens Co, Ohio Buried in
Chase Church Cemetery. He married Maria/Marie/Mary Walraven December 27, 1810 in
Jefferson County, Ohio by James Retiest (sp).
Notes for Isaac Van Bibber:
Served in the War of 1812. Called into service Aug. 12, 1812 and assigned as a Private in
Capt. Joseph Holmes Company of Infantry, 1 Reg't Ohio Militia. Is found in the 1840, and 1850
census in Athens County, Ohio. Died there. In 1850, is 72 and lists his occupation as a weaver.
Isaac Van Bibber left an estate which he owed on and Loyal VanBibber had to settle the
bills by order of the sheriff. James VanBibber is mentioned also.
More About Isaac Van Bibber:
Fact 1: 1850, File # 203 Ohio University Archives Library Estates
Marriage Notes for Isaac Van Bibber and Maria/Marie/Mary Walraven:
State of Ohio- Jefferson county court clerk- I do hereby certify that Isaac Vanbibber and Mary
Walravuen his wife was married by me on the twenty seventh day of December
1810 by James Retiest (sp). A copy of the marriage license was provided to Gary Hawpe
by a long time VanBibber researcher Earl W. Quintrell of Winchester, Tennessee.
Children of Isaac Van Bibber and Maria/Marie/Mary Walraven are:
+ 2 i. Loyal2 Van Bibber, born September 17, 1822 in Ohio; died May 04, 1869 in Athens Co.,
Ohio.
+ 3 ii. Merritt Grant Van Bibber, born August 22, 1820 in Ohio; died in Tipton County, Indiana
Tucker cemetery.
+ 4 iii. Jonathan Van Bibber, born 1826; died November 14, 1889.
+ 5 iv. James K. Van Bibber, born 1829; died Bef. 1870.
6 v. Jesse Van Bibber.
7 vi. Lush Van Bibber.
+ 8 vii. Judson Van Bibber.
Generation No. 2
2. Loyal2 Van Bibber (Isaac1) was born September 17, 1822 in Ohio, and died May 04, 1869 in
Athens Co., Ohio. He married Sarah Elizabeth Robinson March 06, 1845 in Athens Co., Ohio,
daughter of Aaron Robinson and Susan Bolin.
Notes for Loyal Van Bibber:
Loyal handled the sheriff ordered estate sale of his father Isaac VanBibber and his things
according to the estate packet at the Ohio University Archives library for Isaac
VanBibber.
1850 Athens county census living next door to mother in law Susan Robinson.
Household 787-804.
Loyal VanBiber 27 male plasterer born in Ohio (spelling should be VanBibber)
Elizabeth 24 female born in Va
Robinson 4 male Ohio
Hamilton 3 male Ohio
Albert 1 male Ohio
Children of Loyal Van Bibber and Sarah Robinson are:
9 i. Robinson3 Van Bibber, born 1846; died 1863 in at battle on Missionary Ridge in TN for the
Union Army.
10 ii. Hamilton Van Bibber, born 1847; buried in Putnam Church Cemetery. He married Rhoada
(Kelly) Metcalf.
11 iii. Albert Van Bibber, born 1848. He married Phebe Eakins.
12 iv. Oscar Van Bibber, born 1851 in living in Kansas in 1900. He married Margaret Wilson.
Notes for Oscar Van Bibber:
Could Oscar Van Bibber have moved to Kansas when Thomas William Robinson moved there?
Oscar would have been the second cousin of Thomas.
+ 13 v. Susan Van Bibber, born August 29, 1853.
14 vi. Mariah L. Van Bibber, born 1853. She married John Cline.
+ 15 vii. Cook Van Bibber, born 1855; died June 12, 1922 in Putnam Cemetery Killed by a train.
3. Merritt Grant2 Van Bibber (Isaac1) was born August 22, 1820 in Ohio, and died in Tipton
County, Indianna Tucker cemetery. He married (1) Mary Axtrell. He married (2)
Neoma Weesner in Tipton County, Indianna.
Notes for Merritt Grant Van Bibber:
1850 Athens county census, Alexander township, 807-824
Merrit VanBibber 37 male farmer $800 Oh
Mary 37 female Pa
Maria 57 female Del
James M. 6 male Oh
Maria 4 female Oh
Taylor 2 male Oh
Is this Maria, the mother of Merrit VanBibber? It says she was born in Del., the place that Isaac
Van Bibber says he was born.
1850 Athens census
Athens township
331-342
Isaac Vanbibber 72 male weaver Del
I was sent research of Robert T. Lydy from Karen Jones at OU library.
VanBibber Cemetery, Range 14, Town 8, W. E. Peteres, 8-18-1939, Section 6
A picture of Josiah Allen, Jr. at grave and another looking south. That's about it.
Attached with a paper clip to one page are two 3 X 5 cards that read:
Isaac Van Bibber was living alone according to the 1850 census in Athens co. Oh. He was 72
years old, a weaver by trade and born in the state of Delaware. My gggrandfather.
- Robert T. Lydy, 615 South Sherman Dr., Indianapolis, Indianna 46203 Dated 4-27-1982.
Maria Axtell Van Bibber wife of Isaac VanBibber b. in 1793 in state of Delaware died
3-24-1866 buried at Tucker Cemetery on her sons Merritt Van Bibber's lot in Tipton
county, Indianna, Junction US 31 and 28 Indianna, south of the motel on corner, my
gggrandmother.
-Robert T. Lydy 615 South Sherman Drive, Indianapolis Id. 46203
Children of Merritt Van Bibber and Mary Axtrell are:
16 i. James Madison3 Van Bibber, born 1844.
17 ii. Maria Elizabeth Van Bibber, born 1846. She married George Wookey in Indianna.
18 iii. Taylor Van Bibber, born 1848. He married Sarah Elizabeth Goodnight.
19 iv. Harriet Van Bibber, born 1851. She married (1) James Walters. She married (2) Samuel F.
Brown.
20 v. Marcus Van Bibber. He married (1) Mary Melissa Grishaw. He married (2) Eva Arbuckle.
21 vi. Mary Susan Van Bibber. She married (1) Harlan W. Keene. She married (2) Lewis
Morford.
22 vii. John F. Van Bibber, born in Indianna.
23 viii. William Dayton Van Bibber, born in Indianna. He married (1) Charlotte Hiatt. He
married (2) Rosaltha Beagraves.
+ 24 ix. Emma Van Bibber, born in Indianna.
25 x. Merrit Grant Jr. Van Bibber, born in Indianna. He married Susan Robinson. Traveled with
the circus. Listed in the 1920 Columbianna County Ohio census.
26 xi. Neosha Valley Van Bibber, born in Indianna. He married Caddie Bell Hayworth.
27 xii. Carry Van Bibber, born in Indianna.
4. Johnathan2 Van Bibber (Isaac1) was born 1826, and died November 14, 1889. He married (1)
Mary Jane Howell. He married (2) Jennie Brooks in Athens Co, Ohio. He married (3) Mary Ann
Robinson 1847.
Children of Jonathan Van Bibber and Mary Robinson are:
28 i. Mariah3 Van Bibber, born 1850 in Ohio.
29 ii. Jesse Van Bibber, born 1848; died in Illinois. He married (1) Alice Amelia Dudley in
Meigs Co., Ohio, Pomeroy. He married (2) Lovie Hinkle in Athens Co, Ohio.
30 iii. Jonathan Van Bibber. He married (1) Mary Ann Clay. He married (2) Ida Mae Welch.
31 iv. Eliza J. Van Bibber, born in Ohio.
32 v. Eunice Van Bibber. She married Henry M. Chase in Meigs Co., Ohio Pomeroy.
33 vi. Ulysses Van Bibber, living in Meigs Co. Ohio in 1920. He married Annie E. Haning.
5. James K.2 Van Bibber (Isaac1) was born 1829, and died Bef. 1870. He married Amanda
Malvina Raridan.
Children of James Van Bibber and Amanda Raridan are:
34 i. William3 Van Bibber. He married Nancy Jane Brown.
35 ii. Emma Cordelia Van Bibber, died in lived in Kansas.
She married Jasper N. Long.
36 iii. Nancy Elizabeth Van Bibber. She married William Harvy Sams.
8. Judson2 Van Bibber (Isaac1). He married Sarah A. "Bell" Clendenin August 31, 1887 in
Athens County book 8, page 57.
Child of Judson Van Bibber and Sarah Clendenin is:
+ 37 i. Alice3 Van Bibber.
Generation No. 3
13. Susan3 Van Bibber (Loyal2, Isaac1) was born August 29, 1853. She married (1) John
Trainor. She married (2) Mordacai West October 17, 1870 in Vinton County, OH.
Children of Susan Van Bibber and Mordacai West are:
38 i. Cora4 West, born June 20, 1872.
39 ii. John W. West, born December 16, 1874.
40 iii. Cally D. West, born June 04, 1878.
41 iv. Calvin L. West, born June 04, 1878.
15. Cook3 Van Bibber (Loyal2, Isaac1) was born 1855, and died June 12, 1922 in Putnam
Cemetery Killed by a train. He married Margaret Jane Allen Abt. 1886, daughter of Josiah
Allen and Louisa Blackburn.
Children of Cook Van Bibber and Margaret Allen are:
+ 42 i. Erastus A.4 Van Bibber, born April 29, 1894 in Knox twp., Vinton county; died 1973 in
Franklin County, Ohio.
43 ii. Emma Van Bibber, born January 01, 1897; died in listed on 1910 and 1920 Vinton county
census living with parents.
+ 44 iii. Elizah Louisa Van Bibber, born September 15, 1889.
+ 45 iv. Clarence Van Bibber, born April 29, 1886.
24. Emma3 Van Bibber (Merritt Grant2, Isaac1) was born in Indianna. She married Solomon
Lydy.
Notes for Solomon Lydy:
Robert T. Lydy was doing research on Isaac VanBibber back in 1982. He would have to be the
son of one of Solomon Lydy's son's. Note from Gary Hawpe, VanBibber researcher.
Children of Emma Van Bibber and Solomon Lydy are:
46 i. Charles4 Lydy.
47 ii. David Lydy.
48 iii. Walter Lydy.
49 iv. Arthur Lydy.
50 v. Lawrence Lydy.
37. Alice3 Van Bibber (Judson2, Isaac1). She married Clinton Walker November 29, 1907.
Children of Alice Van Bibber and Clinton Walker are:
51 i. Flossie4 Walker, born 1909.
52 ii. Bell Walker, born 1911.
53 iii. Jesse Walker, born 1912.
Generation No. 4
42. Erastus A.4 Van Bibber (Cook3, Loyal2, Isaac1) was born April 29, 1894 in Knox twp.,
Vinton county, and died 1973 in Franklin County, Ohio. He married Maggie B. Markin
November 24, 1913 in Vinton County, OH, daughter of William
Markin and Mary Hartman.
Children of Erastus Van Bibber and Maggie Markin are:
54 i. Bernadine5 Van Bibber, .
55 ii. Velma Van Bibber, . She married (1) Cranford. She married (2) Harold Wolf.
56 iii. Harold Van Bibber.
57 iv. Paul Van Bibber.
58 v. Robert Van Bibber, . He married Mildred Carey.
59 vi. Donald Lee Van Bibber.
60 vii. Dale Allen Van Bibber, . He married Dorothy.
44. Elizah Louisa4 Van Bibber (Cook3, Loyal2, Isaac1) was born September 15, 1889. She
married Clarence E. Davis December 25, 1907 in Vinton County, OH, son of Carl Davis and
Hannah Tripplett.
Children of Elizah Van Bibber and Clarence Davis are:
61 i. Geraldine5 Davis, .She married Ermil Robinson
62 ii. Edna Davis, .
63 iii. Ethel Davis, .
45. Clarence4 Van Bibber (Cook3, Loyal2, Isaac1) was born April 29, 1886. He married (1)
Jennie G. Davis October 1906, daughter of Carl Davis and Hannah Tripplett. He
married (2) Emma E. Harkins December 28, 1910 in Vinton County, OH, daughter of Aaron
Harkins and Mary Huston.
Children of Clarence Van Bibber and Emma Harkins are:
64 i. Christina5 Van Bibber, born 1913. She married Robert Coulter.
65 ii. Raymond Eugene Van Bibber, born August 08, 1914; died September 30, 1991. He
married Margaret Canright.
66 iii. Kenneth Paul Van Bibber, born February 23, 1916; died November 24, 1979 in Franklin
County, Ohio Glen Rest Mem. Est. Reynoldsburg. He married Zora Violet Gifin.
67 iv. Marcella Van Bibber. She married Damon P. Shaw.
Sandra Quinn
-------------------MORE ON THE ATHENS COUNTY, OHIO VAN BIBBER FAMILY
By Sandra Quinn (DSABQUINN@worldnet.att.net)
I just finally made a connection between the Haydenville (Laurel Run) VanBibber's and Isaac
VanBibber in Athens county. Isaac's son James K. VanBibber had a son William VanBibber that
married Nancy Jane Brown. This Nancy Jane Brown is the Jane Burt from all the obituaries I
have been sending you. So here is an update to what I just sent you. I can send you more when I
get it all typed in.
Sandy
Descendants of James K. Van Bibber
Generation No. 1
1. James K.2 Van Bibber (Isaac1) was born 1829, and died Bef. 1870. He married Amanda
Malvina Raridan.
Children of James Van Bibber and Amanda Raridan are:
+ 2 i. William3 Van Bibber.
3 ii. Emma Cordelia Van Bibber, died in lived in Kansas. She married Jasper N. Long.
4 iii. Nancy Elizabeth Van Bibber. She married William Harvy Sams.
Generation No. 2
2. William3 Van Bibber (James K.2, Isaac1). He married Nancy Jane Brown.
Children of William Van Bibber and Nancy Brown are:
5 i. Jesse4 Van Bibber.
6 ii. James Van Bibber.
Sandra Quinn
-------------------OBITUARY OF MRS. BENJAMIN ROBINSON
By Sandra Quinn (DSABQUINN@worldnet.att.net)
Mrs. Benjamin Robinson died in Minnesota 5-12-1916.
Phoebe Ann Williams Robinson, daughter of Abigail Hull Williams and Ebenezer
Williams was born April 26, 1834 at Hurley, Ulster Co. New York.
At the age of four years she moved with her parents to Athens Co. Ohio, where
she grew to young womanhood. At the age of 22 she was united in Marriage to
Benjamin Robinson. They continued to make their home in Athens Co. until the
year 1863 when they decided to move to the State of Minnesota, coming direct
to Austin MN, where they were detained a few months on account of sickness in
the family. They were all sick with measles at the time and two of the children died.
Following the sickness and death, Mr. and Mrs. Robinson with the remaining children
removed to Shell Rock Twp. Settling on the piece of land where she has for forty three years
made her home.
Her husband died 25 years ago leaving the wife and mother with five children.
There were nine children born to this union, four of whom died in infancy.
The remaining children were all present at the funeral to pay their last
tribute of respect to a kind and loving mother.
The children are: A. A. Robinson of Albert Lea, MN, Cook Robinson of Sawyer,
ND, Mrs. Charles Phelps of Philbrook, MN, Mrs. M.G. Van Bibber of East Liverpool, OH, and
Mrs. A. F. Struck of Gordonsville, MN.
The funeral was held at the home of her daughter, Mrs. A. F. Struck, where she
has made her home for some time past. It being part of the old homestead.
Rev. O.C. Kountz, a former pastor and old friend officiating. Sister Robinson
was a member of United Brethren Church, and a very devoted Christian. She was true to the
cause of Christ, and the church of her choice. She was a kind neighbor always ready to help
those in trouble of need. Her Christian advice was a message from heaven.
Benjamin Robinson's sister Sarah Elizabeth Robinson was married to Loyal Vanbibber in Athens
county, Ohio.
Did you see the photo of the VanBibber post office in about 1900 on the Robinson
website that I submitted from Pete VanBibber? It is pretty good. Sarah Elizabeth Robinson
VanBibber is on it along with other family members. Go to
http://www.gcis.net/robinson/robinson.htm under photo's.
The obit I sent you for Benjamin Robinson's wife listing the wife of M. G. Vanbibber Jr.
as a daughter, came from Nancy O'Brien on the webpage, she sent it to me this morning.
Sandra Quinn
-------------------PEDIGREE OF ANNA L. LUTZ
By Anna L. Lutz (alutz@juno.com)
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op Den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ______
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and Frances Schumacher
Peter VanBibber Sr and Anna ________
Peter VanBibber Jr and Margery Bounds
Jesse (John) VanBibber and Rachel Greenlee
Elizabeth Greenlee VanBibber and Richard Tillis
Clark Tillis and Eleanor "Ellen" Pontsler
Nella May Tillis and Alley Clarence Higginbotham
Hattie Ernestine Higginbotham and Jesse Elmer Hedrick
Anna Louise Hedrick and Phillip William Lutz
Anna L. Lutz
-------------------TOMBSTONE OF ELIZABETH (TRESCOT) VAN BIBBER
By Earl K. Harvey (erlzup@ips.net)
The following, an excerpt of an e-mail from my brother-in-law in southern
California reported the following information. Several years ago he had seen the memorial stone
of Elizabeth Trescot Van Bebber which reads "here lies the body of Mrs Elizabeth Van Bebber,
wife of Mr Isaac Van Bebber, deceased the 12th day of August, 1737, aged 23 years.
This stone is in an Ipswich, MA cemetery. This wife above it is believed to have had a
daughter, Veronica, who Isaac Van Bebber entrusted via his Will to the care of wife #2 Elizabeth
Harris.
The one Isaac Van Bebber that I suspected this to be, one born in 1701 I have been told
never married. If anyone has identified this "Yankee" sea captain please let me know.
I went to the Carlsbad {CA} Library this a.m. and checked the Ipswich {MA}
Vital Records. Under MARRIAGES:
Van Bebber, Isaac, Capt., and Mrs. Eliza(beth) Harris, widow, int. Jan. 22, 1738
and Van Bibber, Eliza(beth), Mrs., and Isaac Balden of Sudbury{MA}, int. Feb. 5, 1745.
There were no Van Bebber, Bebber births or deaths recorded. But the other marriage for
a MRS. VB indicates Isaac VB must have died before 1745.
As I write this, I can see that I should have researched the Sudbury VRs to find info on
Mr. Balden. Also the marriage recording may be cross referenced in Sudbury VR's.
Earl Harvey
-------------------VAN BEBBER MEMORABILIA
By Shirley Anderson (geneand@arn.net)
This hand can beat four kings!
Hello cousins,
Of special interest to everyone whose lines include Jacob and Catherine Ann Guthrie Van
Bebber, who went from Claiborne County, TN to Linn County, MO-I was looking around in the new genealogy website of the Mormon Church (familysearch.org)
for something about Catherine Ann Guthrie's ancestry.
What I found was amazing, if it is correct. Her lines kept on going back farther and
farther, especially in her mother's lines, after the Guthries ran out somewhere in Scotland. But
the maternal lines kept right on going, just like the Eveready battery commercial. Then what
appears before your wondering eyes but the King of Scotland, and that's just the start. Yonder
come the kings of England, Denmark, Germany,
France and I've forgotten where-all, plus assorted other royal folks including Alfred of England
and Charlemagne. Plus a nice selection of princesses, etc. I haven't looked yet at all the lines, but
one of them goes back to second century or so, when the ancestors were using only one name,
such as Bor or whatever. So now we are wondering where is our castle.
According to the researchers who contributed the information, Catherine Ann Guthrie
Van Bebber was the daughter of Henry and Catherine Guthrie of Claiborne County, TN who
migrated to Alabama where they died.
I think the Linn County Van Bebber descendants, and some from Ray County, MO are of
this line, since I seem to recall reading on our discussion page that one of the Linn County VB
males migrated on over to Ray County.
Back to the information on the new website, there is one ancestral report that might bear
looking into: two different researchers show Johnson and Johnston. Although the wife's name is
the same, there is always room for error in a surname as common as Johnson.
Shirley Anderson
-------------------MOSES HANEY AND NANCY VAN BIBBER
By Lori Hogan (Lori.Hogan@infores.com)
Marriage Application & Bond between Moses Haney and Nancy Vanbibber.
Know all men by these present that we Moses Haney and Peter VanBibber are held and
firmly bound unto the Commonwealth of Kentucky in the just and full sum of fifty pounds
current money to which payment will and truly to be made to the said Commonwealth.
We bind ourselves our heirs to jointly severally and firmly be these present sealed with
our seals and dated this 15th day of January, 1827.
The condition of the above obligation is such that where as there is a marriage shortly
intended to be had solemnized between the above bond Moses Haney & Nancy VanBibber, both
of Greenup County. Now if there be now lawful cause to obstruct the same then the above
obligation to be void, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.
Signed sealed and delivered
In presence of J. Hockaday
Moses Haney (Seal)
(His Mark)
Peter Vanbibber (Seal)
I do hereby certify that I have no objections of Moses Haney obtaining marriage license
for the purpose of marrying my daughter, Nancy Vanbibber.
Given under my hand and seal this the 14th day of January 1827
Jacob Vanbibber (Seal)
Test. Peter Vanbibber
???? by P. Vanbibber
J. Hockaday
Moses Haney
Among the few things we know about Moses Haney, is that he was a farmer, born in
1803/1804 in PA. He married Nancy VanBibber in Greenup KY in 1827 at about 27 years of
age. While living in KY, William, Aaron, David, Andrew, Margaret, Ruth and Sarah were born.
By 1848 the family was living in Lawrence County, OH where James was born. Moses, in his
later years, was found on the census with relatives in Dallas Co., MO.
There has been much speculation about the possibility that Rev. War Soldier, William
Haney may have been Moses’ father. We do know that William Haney and Peter Vanbibber
were in the same regiment during the same time period in the Revolutionary War. Since we do
have William’s pension papers, a good deal is known about him and it would be great if we
could finally prove this.
I am descended from Moses’ son David Haney. I along with several other Haney
researchers were able to combine all of our Haney research together, thanks in great part to the
VanBibber Newsletter as well as the generous help from Gary Hawpe.
Thanks so much!
Lori Hogan
----Moses Haney b. 1803/1804 in PA, marries Nancy Vanbibber b. abt. 1827 in KY (13 Jan. 1827,
according to the Greenup Co., KY marriage index. BEL).
Their children:
William b. 1828
Aaron 1830-1910
David b. 1831
Margaret 1832-1835
Andrew 1835-1897
Ruth 1837-1902
Sarah b. 1840
James 1849/9-1893
Solomon b. 1852
Moses b. 1856
Descendants of David Haney
David Haney b. 1831, marries Martha Ann Henry b. abt. 1834
Their children:
Quincy b. abt. 1854
Henry b. 1856/7
Judson b. abt. 1858
George b. abt. 1860
Luella b. 1862/3
Frederick b. abt. 1864
Arthur b. 1866
Oscar b. abt 1868
Grace b. abt 1870
Elmer b. abt 1874
Lori Hogan
-------------------PEDIGREE CHART OF CHARLES R. SCHAFER
By Charles R. Schafer (CRSCHAFER@aol.com)
Here is my descendant from Peter Van Bibber:
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op Den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ______
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and Frances Schumacher
Peter VanBibber Sr and Anna ________
Peter Van Bibber Jr. & Marjory Bounds
Veronica VB & George Dixon
Eunice Dixon & Jacob Davis
Richard Davis & Edna Thomas
Rachel Davis & Jehu Johnson
Mary E. Johnson & William H. Davis
Frederick L. Davis & Lula E. Antisdel
Helen M. Davis & Charles R. Schafer
Charles R. Schafer Jr. (me) & Connie Guadagnoli
Charles R. Schafer III & Dana Christy
I am very interested in all the DAVISES that are mixed in with the VB's, Dixon's, and
Boone's from (W)VA. Jacob & Eunice supposedly had 15 children but there are only 6
accounted for. I have a copy of the Will of the oldest William T. who also had 11 children, so we
have a lot of missing DAVIS children out there. I will have to write something up on Veronica &
George, as he was a spy in the RW, but don't have time right now. If this is too late, you may be
able to use it in the future. You are doing a great job with the newsletters, THANKS for all your
trouble.
Chuck Schafer
-------------------BOOKS ON-LINE
By Joe Patton (jpatter@epix.net)
Books on-line in the PA USGenWeb Archives.
Some previously announced, but several new ones. The histories have much
information on early PA, not just the county cited.
PHILADELPHIA COUNTY
GUIDEBOOK TO HISTORIC GERMANTOWN, 1902
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/history/local/hgermtwn01.txt
ANNALS of PHILADELPHIA and PENNSYLVANIA. John F. Watson, 1857. Vol I complete
and Vol II 80%.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/watsontoc.htm
SCHUYLKILL COUNTY
HISTORY OF SCHUYLKILL COUNTY, PA, W.W. Munsell, 1881. Complete with
illustrations.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/schuylkill/1mhtml/tochist.htm
NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY
HISTORY OF NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY, PA; Herbert C. Bell, 1891. Complete.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/northumberp/belltoc.htm
GENEALOLOGICAL AND BIOGRAPHICAL ANNALS OF NORTHUMBERLAND
COUNTY, PA; J.L. FLOYD, 1911. Complete with illustrations.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/northumberp/floyd.htm
MONTGOMERY COUNTY
HISTORY OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY PA, ILLUSTRATED, 1884; T.W. Bean
25% complete, (through Civil War) with illustrations. Good early PA history. Lots of
descendant’s names from the first Germantown settlers and those of the Dutch and
Swedish periods.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgomery/beantoc.htm
FRANKLIN COUNTY
HISTORY OF FRANKLIN COUNTY, PA: 1887; Warner Beers
25% complete. Good colonial PA History.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/franklin/wbeerstoc.htm
PHILADELPHIA IN THE CIVIL WAR, 1861-1865; Taylor. 15% complete.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/military.htm
Joe Patton
------------------GOODY BIBBER
By Earl K. Harvey (erlzup@jps.net_
One of the regular contributors raised a question, some weeks back, about a
Ms Bibber and New England Witchcraft and I believe the contributor asked if it was a "Van"
Bibber or if there was a connection. The information below was obtained for me by a subscriber
to "Genealogy Library.com" and this below is probably the source. >From The Descendants of
Richard Porter:
In 1692, during the witchcraft delusion, witnesses in court testified against one Goody Bibber,
who accused Sarah Wildes of bewitching her, "and that said Bibber was an unruly, turbulent
woman, would have strange fits when crossed, was double tongued, very idle in her calling,
mischief making, very much given to speaking bad words against her husband, obscene in her
language, and could fall into fits when she pleased, etc."
My wife, my connection to the Van Bebbers, believes strongly that the woman
described above was NOT a VAN BEBBER\BIBBER as those types are NOT in the
"family"!
"Yes Dear"!
Earl K. Harvey
-------------------THE MATTHEW’S TRADING POST
By Anna L. Lutz (alutz@juno.com)
The Matthew's Trading Post, by Harry E. Handley, Reprinted from the 1963 Journal of
the Greenbrier Historical Society.
The first trading post, or store, within the confines of the present limits of Greenbrier
(County) , for which there is any known record, was owned by Sampson and George Matthews,
and is said to have been located on the Greenbrier River, now known as Matthews Ford. Two of
the Day Books, in which were kept an account of the charges for purchases made and credits for
produce sold to the store, have survived. They cover the time interval 8 April 1771 to 26 Jan
1773. The names of many customers appear
only once during the more than twenty-one months covered by the two books, but the names of
others appear repeatedly, and from the various entries it is possible to gain considerable insight
into the tenor of community life in this frontier area. Only the names of those mentioned in the
two books are being given, followed by the month and year of the first mentioned, the month and
year of last mentioned.
Customers at the Greenbrier trading post included: Isaac Van Bibber 6-1771 and
10-1772.
Those who paid with deerskins were Isaac Van Bibber, who killed the most
deer, and Joseph and James Davis. Van Bibber selling at least 230 deerskins. Davis' sold more
than 100 deerskins.
In 1774, Isaac Van Bibber, an Old Side Baptist Minister, served in the Southern Division
of General Andrew Lewis, under command of Colonel Charles Lewis. Isaac was wounded in the
Battle of Point Pleasant, on October 10 1774, he died about thirty hours later, making his actual
death date as October 11 1774. He was buried beside Colonel Charles Lewis, and later moved,
along with others, that were killed in the battle, to a nearby resting place.
An inventory of his possessions is found in Botetourt County, Virginia, his widow Sarah
(Davis) Van Bibber, Administrator.
Journal of the Greenbrier County Historical Society, Vol 4 No. 4.
L. C. Draper's MMs, Vol 5 The Boone Papers, Letter of the Van Bibbers.
History of Greenbrier County West Virginia, Otis Rice, p 102.
Anna L. Lutz
-------------------QUERIES
By Shirley Anderson (geneand@arn.net)
Hello Cousins,
Welcome to all the new members and cousins introduced recently on the discussion page
by M/Sgt. Gary Hawpe. We're ready to hear the great stories handed down by Grandma and
Grandpa.
I have a question for the new cousin of Dixon descent. Where I live, in the Texas
Panhandle, we have in our history the great hero of frontier days, Billy Dixon, who was awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor for valor during his service as an Indian scout for the Cavalry.
(Although they tried to take it back later because his service
was as a scout rather than as an enlisted man.)
Books have been written about Billy, not only about his heroism in battle, but also about
his life on the frontier. He married Olive King, who was teaching school after having gone West
to visit her sister, and they settled in the Panhandle where they raised their family and lived good
honest lives, serving as an example to other early-day settlers.
My question is whether Billy Dixon could have been from the line who married into the
Van Bibber family. In one of the books about the Dixons, I found the information that Billy was
born in Ohio County, West Virginia, where he was orphaned by the age of twelve or thereabouts.
He went to Ray County, Missouri, to live with a Dixon uncle. But he soon got the wandering
fever, and as a young teenager went West with another lad. The rest is history. Of course I can
tell more stories about Billy Dixon, such as his famous long shot from 1,500 feet away, that
ended the Battle of Adobe Walls.
Billy's Congressional Medal of Honor can be seen at the Panhandle Plains
Historical Museum in Canyon, Texas.
Is there a connection with the Dixon-Van Bibber lines?
Shirley Anderson, Texas
----By Bev Gillihan (Bgillihan@aol.com)
In a past article, citing the 1860, Ray Co. MO. census, Family #1428. "Quote",
"The kids of Granville and Margaret have more Van Bebber blood in them than you think."
Tracing their line back and four of them lead to the same individual. This is interesting, however,
I don't have their children. Could you bring me up to speed?
Also, In the July 1998 newsletter, The descendants of Richard Adams and Gertien Op
Den Graeff by Barb Locker: I noticed that starting with Elizabeth Ann Custer/Custar/Custard,
three sisters and one brother all married people from the Grubb family......must have been a small
town! I have a dear friend who is married to a Grubb and we have both heard of the Grubb/Van
Bibber connection but never seen any proof.
If anyone out there is a Grubb or knows a Grubb who married a VB, let me know.
And......one last question. Does anyone know the background of the Sarah Davis that
married Isaac Van Bibber, 1??? I have heard a James Davis as a possible brother but nothing
else.
Last but not least: I never cease to be amazed at the wealth of information available in the
newsletters. I print each and every page and have them filed
away for future reference. Thanks for making them available!
A loyal Van Bibber researcher (well, sort of).
Bev Gillihan BGillihan@aol.com
My Web Page is at: http://hometown.aol.com/BGillihan/index.html
It's pretty basic but does have OUR VB info so please stop by.
----By Bev Gillihan (Bgillihan@aol.com)
I guess you'll have to give me my own page as I have an endless supply of
questions. I have research material for Van Bebber, Yoakum, Kincaid and Campbell and
although I have a place for just about everyone, I have a couple I can't find families for.
Kelly Grimes Van Bebber -b- Nov. 12, 1885, s/o William Henderson Van Bebber
and Caroline V. Pryor Kincaid -m- Nellie G. Yoakum, -b- April 18, 1886. d/o Kelly Yoakum and
Bird Campbell. I can't find a "Kelly" in my "Yaokum" files nor, a "Bird" in my "Campbell
files." Location: Ray County, Missouri.
Hopefully someone can tie up these loose ends for me, thanks in advance.
Bev Gillihan
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