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Date:
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Subject: LOBSTER CLUSTER #5
Meeting Place: Brussels, 7th Concertation meeting
Chairman: Nicolas BOURDEAU
Date/Time: 10/04/2002 from 10am to 4pm
MOM prepared by: Nicolas BOURDEAU
List of meeting attendees
Name
Company
Jean-Louis LAVROFF
CEC DG INFSO
-
Project
+32 2 296 9142
Ph/Fax
Jean-louis.lavroff@cec.eu.int
E-Mail
Jaakho LAHTEENMAKI
VTT
CELLO
+358 9 456 6547
Jaakho.lahteenmaki@vtt.fi
Cyrille MANANTE
BOUYGUES Telecom
EMILY
+33 1 41 09 80 38
cmanente@bouyguestelecom.fr
Nicolas BOURDEAU
THALES Navigation
EMILY
+33 2 28 09 38 19
nicolas.bourdeau@thales-navigation.fr
Nicolas OUDOT
THALES Navigation
EMILY
+33 2 28 09 38 47
nicolas.oudot@thales-navigation.fr
Fulvio SANSONE
ERTICO SC
EMILY
+32 2 4000 740
f.sansone@mail.ertico.com
Francesco TATA
TELESPAZIO
GAUSS
+39.06.4079.3184
francesco_tata@telespazio.it
Antonella DI FAZIO
TELESPAZIO
GAUSS
+39 06 4079 6329
Antonella_difazio@telespazio.it
Dieter MEINHARD
Hitec Marketing
GLORIA
+43 1 718 25 30 12
dm@hitec.at
Jörg PFISTER
ZIV
GLORIA
+49-6151-27028-36
pfister@ziv.de
Dimitris XENAKIS
INTRACOM
LOVEUS
+30 10 6677122
dkse@intracom.gr
Rory DOYLE
British Maritime
PEPTRAN
+44 (0)20 89435544
roryd@bmtech.co.uk
Technology
Rachid OULAHAL
France TELECOM
SATURN
+33 1 45 29 57 80
rachid.oulahal@francetelecom.com
Isabelle BUCAILLE
THALES Com.
UCAN
+33 1 46 13 30 89
BUCAILLE@fr.thalesgroup.com
Karel CHARVAT
Lesprojekt sluzby
WIRELESSINF
O
+42 0604617327
Charvat@lesprojekt.cz
Zbynek KRIVANEK
Lesprojekt sluzby
WIRELESSINF
O
+42 0603219679
Kricanek@lesprojekt.cz
Pavel DVORAK
Lesprojekt sluzby
WIRELESSINF
O
+42 0604617327
Dvorak@lesproject.cz
Jean Michel CARDI
TELECITIES
-
+33 6 09 08 04 58
jmcardi@sigmaonline.com
Stelios
THOMOPOULOS
Institute of Informatics
& Telecommunication
-
+301 6503153
Scat@iit.demokritos.gr
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LOBSTER Participants list
Name
Company
Project
Ph/Fax
E-Mail
José FERNANDES
CEC DG INFSO
-
+32 2 296 06 60
Jose-joaquim.hernandes@cec.eu.int
Jean-Louis LAVROFF
CEC DG INFSO
-
+32 2 296 9142
Jean-louis.lavroff@cec.eu.int
Juhani
JAASKELAINEN
CEC DG INFSO
-
+32 2 296 54 59
Juhani.jaaskelainen@cec.eu.int
Fabienne DRICOT
CEC DG INFSO
-
Zvika WEBER
NEXUS Telocation
Systems
ASAP
+972-3-5723111
zviw@nexus.co.il
Laurent TAIEB
CAT
ASAP
?
laurent.taieb@groupecat.com
Jaakho
LAHTEENMAKI
VTT
CELLO
+358 9 456 6547
Jaakho.lahteenmaki@vtt.fi
Heikki LAITINEN
VTT
CELLO
+358 9 456 6547
heikki.laitinen@vtt.fi
Hervé MUYAL
STERIA
DRIVE/YOUNGST
ER
+33 1 47 78 67 67
Herve.muyal@steria.com
Monique GIBEAUX
BOUYGUES
Telecom
EMILY
+33 1 39 26 86 98
Mgibeaux@bouyguestelecom.fr
Cyrille MANENTE
BOUYGUES
Telecom
EMILY
+33 1 41 09 80 38
cmanente@bouyguestelecom.fr
Nicolas BOURDEAU
THALES Navigation
EMILY
+33 2 28 09 38 19
nicolas.bourdeau@thales-navigation.fr
Nicolas OUDOT
THALES Navigation
EMILY
+33 2 28 09 38 47
nicolas.oudot@thales-navigation.fr
Gildas Le MASSON
THALES Navigation
EMILY
+33 2 28 09 39 23
Gildas.lemasson@dsnp-mlr.com
Fulvio SANSONE
ERTICO SC
EMILY
+32 2 4000 740
f.sansone@mail.ertico.com
Markus BURRI
MOGID SA
EMILY
+41 32 365 42 55
Markus.burri@mogid.com
Sergio DI GIROLAMO
Télit
EMILY
+39 06 8720 3422
sergio.digirolamo@telital.com
Jaume RIBA
UPC
EMILY
+34 93 401 70 52
jriba@gps.tsc.upc.es
Antonella DI FAZIO
TELESPAZIO
GAUSS
+39 06 4079 6329
Antonella_difazio@telespazio.it
Francesco TATA
TELESPAZIO
GAUSS
+39.06.4079.3184
francesco_tata@telespazio.it
Evgueni OUTKINE
ERICSSON (It)
GAUSS
+39 02 26594 791
Evgueni.outkine@tei.ericsson.se
Martin MAURER
MAN Technologie
GLORIA
+49 821-505-2818
martin.maurer@mt.man.de
Walter AIGNER
Hitec Marketing
GLORIA
+43 1 718 25 30
wa@HiTec.at
Dieter MEINHARD
Hitec Marketing
GLORIA
+43 1 718 25 30 12
dm@hitec.at
Jörg PFISTER
ZIV
GLORIA
+49-6151-27028-36 pfister@ziv.de
Nati FREIBERG
Cell Guide
LOCOMOTION
+972-54-680969
nati@cell-guide.com
Eric GELLEE
FDC
LOCUS
+33 1 53 66 11 11
Eric.gellee@fdc.fr
Frederic COLLOMB
FDC
LOCUS
+33 1 53 66 11 11
Frederic.collomb@fdc.fr
Dimitris XENAKIS
INTRACOM
LOVEUS
+30 10 6677122
dkse@intracom.gr
Demiris
ATHANASIOS
INTRACOM
LOVEUS
?
dema@intracom.gr
Nicos LOANNIDIS
INTRACOM
LOVEUS
+30-10-6860349
nioa@intracom.gr
Karl LLOYD
British Maritime
Technologies
PEPTRAN
44 (0)20 8614 4295
karll@bmtech.co.uk
Rory DOYLE
British Maritime
PEPTRAN
44 (0)20 8943 5544
roryd@bmtech.co.uk
Fabienne.DRICOT@cec.eu.int
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Technologies
Sylvie MAYRARGUE
France TELECOM
SATURN
+33 1 45 29 54 19
Sylvie.mayrargue@francetelecom.com
Rachid OULAHAL
France TELECOM
SATURN
+33 1 45 29 57 80
rachid.oulahal@francetelecom.com
Monste NAJAR
UPC
SATURN
+34 93 401 70 51
Najar@gps.tsc.upc.es
David BATEMAN
MOTOROLA
UCAN
+33 1 69 35 48 04
David.Bateman@motorola.com
Isabelle BUCAILLE
THALES
Communication
UCAN
+33 1 46 13 30 89
BUCAILLE@fr.thalesgroup.com
Gert KREISELMEIER GWT
UCAN
+49 371 5397 309
Gert.Kreiselmeier@Physik.TU-Chemnitz.DE
Philippe ROUZET
STMicroelectronics
UCAN
+41 22 929 58 66
philippe.rouzet@st.com
WINEGLASS project
(Stephan RECKER)
IMST
WINE GLASS
+49 2842 981415
wineglass@imst.de
Karel CHARVAT
Lesprojekt sluzby
WIRELESSINFO
+42 0604617327
Charvat@lesprojekt.cz
Zbynek KRIVANEK
Lesprojekt sluzby
WIRELESSINFO
+42 0603219679
Kricanek@lesprojekt.cz
Josef FRYML
UHUL
WIRELESSINFO
+42 0602532201
Fryml@uhul.cz
Vinod KUMAR
ALCATEL
WSI
+33 1 69 63 43 65
vinod.kumar@ms.alcatel.fr
Ricardo PASCOTTO
T-SYSTEM
YOUNGSTER
+49-30-3497 3524
Riccardo.Pascotto@t-systems.de
Lars MEHRMANN
SIEMENS
YOUNGSTER
?
?
Hervé MUYAL
STERIA
YOUNGSTER
?
Herve.muyal@steria.com
Brigit KRELLER
SIEMENS
YOUNGSTER
+49 89 636 50564
birgit.kreller@mchp.siemens.de
Jean Michel CARDI
SIGMA
TELECITIES
+33 4 93 65 39 31
jmcardi@sigmaonline.com
Stelios
THOMOPOULOS
Institute of
Informatics &
Telecommunication
-
+301 6503153
Scat@iit.demokritos.gr
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Discussion Topics
This document and the attached materials belong to the participants and all the people who have declared their
interests in the cluster topics. They can be used in the scope of their projects.
1.
Effective Agenda :
1) Short presentation or updates of new projects/invitees in the cluster : UCAN, PEPTRAN and
TELECITIES
2) Activity 1 :  GLORIA presentation : software tool description
 User requirement database discussion
4) Activity 2 :  Filtering and Business models work-plan presentations
 discussion
5) Discussion on LOBSTER future activities in link with 6th Frame program
6) Activity 3 :  LIF Update
2.
No remarks were made on the previous MoM so that these minutes are approved.
3.
Projects represented during this cluster :
CELLO, EMILY, GAUSS, GLORIA, LOVEUS, PEPTRAN, SATURN, TELECITIES, UCAN,
WIRELESSINFO.
4.
Project presentations
Isabelle Bucailles from Thales communication gave a short update of UCAN project
Jean Micher Cardi from SIGMA presented TELECITIES and related expectation of location services
applied to city environment.
Rory Doyle from BMT gave a short overview of PEPTRAN project scope
Refer to related powerpoint files on LOBSTER web site
5.
Activity #1 : Stimulating the Rapid Pan-European LCS deployment
 Dieter Meinhard from HiTech Marketing (GLORIA project) presented the progress on the
gathering of user requirements information : this is a 2 steps process that
- uses a software tools (“in vivo” software) for an automatic filtering of the information in each
project deliverable and classification in the predefined document backbone. Note that it does not
only contain strictly user requirements but also all information concerning the context of the study
made to output them.
- performs a manual “bottom-up” check to update classification with new identified categories
and checks any mis-assignment
 The tool is ready to run with available documents : in addition to the ones already provided,
GAUSS and WIRELESSINFO will provide to Dieter very quickly their existing documents.
Once the first run is done, the LOBSTER team will review the document structure to make sure it
is sufficiently generic to address all possible services.
 Maintenance of the tool is fairly simple (addition of new categories in the classification).
Availability of new User requirement deliverables will enable incorporation of the related
information in the database by a run of the too on the new document and integration of the
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output in the database.
 After this fist run and Structure check, the responsibility of the tool will be transferred to the
leader of Activity #1 (TBC)
ACTION Plan
- GAUSS and WIRELESSINFO send their document by FW15
- HiTech team extracts the first database and communicates to LOBSTER team by FW17
Comments on the structure to Dieter Meinhard expected by FW19
- New database and transfer of ownership by FW20
6.
Activity #2 : Innovative Location Techniques and Systems (ILTS)
This LOBSTER was mostly dedicated to the review of the draft workplan proposals of the sub-groups
of this activity (refer to related presentations on the LOBSTER web site) :
1- New technologies that could be implied in location techniques (Bluetooth, digital TV, …)
 Joseph Nir from Cell Guide (LOCOMOTION Project) was supposed to give a presentation but
had unfortunately a last minute cancellation.
Joseph Nir or Nati Freiberg will link with Dimitris Xenakis and myself to provide the related
information that will be integrated in the letter of interest for the 6th FP (see point 8 of these
minutes).
2- Assess technological opportunities in the business world (drive operator point of view, build
business models, …)
 Dimitris Xenakis from INTRACOM (LOVEUS project) presented his proposal for this activity.
The discussion was somewhat disturbed by the parallel discussion on subject 8 below but the
next step identified was the collection of business models from the projects that already
performed this step.
3- Towards standardisation :
 Nicolas Oudot from Thales Navigation (EMILY project) prepared a proposal for this activity
based on a standardisation of features (instead of interfaces) but unfortunately did not have the
time to share in with the team. Please refer to the related file on LOBSTER web site and send
him your comments.
4- Filters considerations : conduct broad analysis of filtering advantages and capabilities to better
serve location techniques
 Jorg Pfister from ZIV (GLORIA project) presented an overview of the problematic of the
filtering activity listing the various points that should be addressed when performing an
hybridisation. See dedicate presentation on LOBSTER web site
Several proposals for next steps :
- there has been a lot of theoretical studies on the subject that should be listed in order to
- the new technologies identified in the first group should be specified in order to check the
potential for filtering with additional sensors
- NATO developed a universal test bed that could be reused. Stelios will provide Jorg with the
related information.
ACTION Plan
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Nati Freiberg send ILTS-new technologies proposal to LOBSTER members FW16
EMILY, GLORIA (ESA projects) and CELLO (extract from existing document) send their business
models to Dimitris FW16
All LOBSTER member review ILTS-standardisation proposal for feedback FW18
Stelios Thomopoulos links with Jorg Pfister by FW18 to exchange information about filtering
studies and NATO’s universal test bed
7.
Activity # 3 : Towards location & context based services beyond 3G
LIF update
Cyrille Manente from Bouygues Telecom (EMILY project) presented the latest updates about the LIF
activity.
See dedicated presentation on the LOBSTER web site that should be posted very soon.
8.
Letter of interest for the 6th Frame Program
The team agreed that the LBS subject was interesting and large enough to support a full proposal for
the 6th Frame Program, instead of being part of some other wide-band cluster like Reconfigurability
or beyond 3G.
We decided that we will issue a letter of intention for the June 7th deadline (FW23) and propose
ideas of an Integrated Project (IP).
Based on the work performed so far in ILTS activity and extrapolating it to some other innovating
context-based services (like “odour-based services” with smell sensors for example, if can be),
Dimitris Xenakis from Intracom (LOVEUS project) will initiate a proposal to circulate in the team for
review.
It was noted that the proposal should be renamed “innovative services” instead of LBS in order to
add to it more innovation than the LBS alone for which several projects were already well launched in
the 5th FP.
ACTION Plan
- Dimitris to send initial proposal FW17
- LOBSTER members to react and send him feedback FW18
- Dimitris to send to the team revised proposal FW20 integrating the comments
9.
Location workshop
This was not discussed due to lack of time but there is still a wish to organise a workshop around
Location Based Services and the Activity of LOBSTER in Q4, 2002.
Reminder : there is already a Location workshop organised in Athens on May 30th and 31st by the
CELLO project and 2 other IST projects (CAUTION and MONASIDRE) from the Radio Network
Management group.
They will have sessions on topics like Technology, Services, Operator implication, Standardisation,
regulation & legal issues, Future systems, … and LOBSTER activity will be presented.
All information can be found on their web site at www.telecom.ntua.gr/mobilevenue02 or contacting
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Sofoklis KYRIAZAKOS from National Technical University of Athens
Tel = +30 1 772 2558
E-mail = skyriazakos@telecom.ntua.gr
10.
Miscellaneous
OPIUM is a new project that should join the LOBSTER very soon.
11.
Next LOBSTER meeting
Our next meeting will most probably be at the IST summit in Tessaloniki. The summit being from the
17th to the 19th of June, the LOBSTER6 will most probably be held on Thursday, June 20th (to be
confirmed later)
You should also note the dates of the 8th and 9th concertation meetings in Brussels that will probably
host the following LOBSTER meetings : 10-11 Sept 2002 and 10-11 December 2002 respectively.
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ACTIONS
12.
The minutes of this fourth LOBSTER meet
the LOBSTER web site.
All participants are invited to make comme
13.
Send Nicolas Bourdeau the files of your pr
I am missing the ones of Vinod Kumar, Na
Lahteenmaki, Dimitris Xenakis, Zvika Web
I also did not capture the file of the Gloria p
a big file, could you please put it on a web
directly to Jean Louis Lavroff (the web site
They will be posted on the LOBSTER web
14.
Activity # 1
- send to Walter Aigner (GLORIA) thei
Requirements as a simple list. Even
not finalised their official marketing a
contribute with a list of what they per
their specific environment
- concatenate and send to the LOBST
whole list
- propose an architecture of the datab
the concatenated list into this archite
Send it to LOBSTER members for re
- Review and send comments to Nadia
- Preparation of updated database for
during next LOBSTER meeting
15.
Activity # 2
- LOVEUS project shall confirm their agre
operator present in their consortium take
reflexion axis
- every designed reflexion axis leader sha
interested in contributing to their activity a
LOBSTER meeting a proposal for the fut
activity.
16.
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Activity #3
- review “book of vision” rev1 (p 29 to
individual contributions : new aspect
added in the document
- ideas should be prepared to conside
LOBSTER contribution to the WWRF
- Propose LIF interaction opportunities
-
propose deliverables for this activity
17.
Workshop
Send ideas for dates and content for a LO
some other time than the CELLO worksh
18.
LOBSTER work plan will be updated with
methodology decisions as described abo
Work plan and schedules events
19.
Next meeting :
The next meeting is foreseen 12-13 March 2002 during the 7th concertation meeting in Brussels.
Date and agenda will be confirmed.
The purpose of this meeting will be :
- Presentation of new projects ?
- Review of User requirements database + Organization of other axis in Activity 1
- Discussion on proposals on the 4 axis of activity 2
- Goal and Organisation of activity 3
- LOBSTER workshop review