Halifax DK143 Desserline, Duhamel, Robitaille, Vigneault & Darlington were on board Halifax DK143 that crashed near Skelton on Ure on 23/9/44. All buried in Harrogate Stonefall cemetery. Index: Claudien P Desserline - CWGC: Sgt DESSERTINE, CLAUDIEN PAUL JOSEPH Grave E/E/8 Index: Clement J A Duhamel- CWGC: F/Sgt DUHAMEL, JOSEPH ALPHONSE CLEMENT Grave E/E/9 Index: Edgar A Robitaille - CWGC: F/O ROBITAILLE, EDGAR ALBERT Grave E/E/11 Index: Joseph P A Vigneault - CWGC: Sgt VIGNEAULT, JOSEPH PHILOROME AMBROISE Grave E/E/10 Index: Stanley Darlington - CWGC: Sgt DARLINGTON, STANLEY buried elsewhere (RAF) http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?8715-Kirkby-Malzeard Halifax DK 143 These are the details for DK143 with confirmation of the date she was lost: Aircraft movement card (AM78) shows DK143 was originally issued to 427 Sqn on 18 May 43 and stayed with them until 4 March 44 when it was transferred to 1664 Conversion Unit. According to the AM1180 (Aircraft Accident Card), the aircraft was lost on 23 Sept 1944 whilst undertaking Circuits and Landings and crashed 1.5 miles NW of Skelton. If required you can obtain a copy of both cards from the RAF Museum at Hendon. The RAF Museum, Department of Research and Information Services, Grahame Park Way Hendon, London, NW9 5LL Tel: 020 8205 2266 Web-site: www.rafmuseum.org.uk Extract from the Bomber Command Losses Book Canada Alfie Hall, Flt Lt, Adjutant 609 (WR) Sqn Halifax DK143 There was some debate as to whether the aircraft was from 76 Squadron or (more likely) from 427 squadron. We can rule out 76 squadron. They lost a Halifax over Germany in May 1943, designated DK 134. These digits have been inadvertently transposed on some websites, hence the confusion. Unfortunately, this does not get us a great deal further. The suggestion that the Skelton crash was Halifax DK143 comes from a website you have seen and which quotes W. R. Chorley's books on Bomber Command's losses as its source. I have not seen the book but will take the quote to be accurate. Another website helpfully lists those aircraft allocated to the RCAF and tells us that DK 143 was indeed operated by 427 squadron out of Leeming. However, there are various websites which detail daily operations etc as well as crashes and none of these mention DK143 or the supposed crash date of 23 September 1944. This is confirmed by the excellent site for the 427 Squadron Association which has digitised its wartime log. Each mission is recorded, complete with map showing their route into, and out from, the target, and listing each aircraft which flew on each occasion. Also listed are the names of the crews who did not return. The 427 log shows no missions flown on 23.9.44 but that the weather that day was fine with good visibility. There were training flights that day but absolutely no mention of a crash. I have gone through the log for the previous few months prior to Sept 44 and can find no mention at all of DK143 flying any mission, nor is there any mention (as there is of other crews) of any of the dead crew members being at the squadron. One thought occurs to me. Some aircraft at the time were loaned(?) out to the Heavy Conversion Units (HCU), who trained crews accustomed to twin engined bombers, to fly the four engined Halifaxs and Lancasters. 1664 HCU was based at Dishforth at the time. If DK143 was a training aircraft it may explain why 427's log is silent on the subject and also why the CWGC does not quote any specific squadron for the 5 crew members who were killed.; presumably 2 men survived? Such a scenario could also explain why the plane crashed in good weather/visibility ie pilot error by a raw pilot ( Do we have a time of day for the crash?). I have not been able to discover anything about these men other than it was the norm for RCAF crews to have a Flight engineer from the RAF/RAFVR. It does not explain however why the crash is missing from other records. I have searched the Ripon Gazette but there is no mention, probably due to censorship. I have to say this is all speculation since I have no evidence for just about any aspect of the incident. Kevin Earl Claro Community Archaeology Group Jan 2013 Halifax DK143 DK143 Handley Page Fairey Aviation Halifax B. Mk. V Served with No. 427 (B) Squadron, RCAF, coded 'ZL*W'. DARLINGTON, STANLEY Name Service Number Rank Date of Death Grave / Regiment Service Memorial Age / Service Country Reference Cemetery / Memorial Name Royal Air ST. PETER-INDARLINGTON, Force United Row 48. THANET Sergeant 1865761 23/09/1944 28 Volunteer Kingdom Grave 36. STANLEY CHURCHYARD Reserve Rank: Sergeant Trade: Flt. Engr. Service No: 1865761 Date of Death: 23/09/1944 Age: 28 Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Grave Reference: Row 48. Grave 36. Cemetery: ST. PETER-IN-THANET CHURCHYARD Additional Information: Son of Arthur and Edith Evelyn Darlington, of Broadstairs. ST. PETER-IN-THANET CHURCHYARD ROBITAILLE, EDGAR ALBERT Name Service Rank Number Date of Death Regiment / Service Age Service Country ROBITAILLE, Royal Flying EDGAR J/36475 23/09/1944 22 Canadian Officer ALBERT Air Force Grave / Memorial Reference Cemetery / Memorial Name Sec. E. Row HARROGATE (STONEFALL) Canadian E. Grave 11. CEMETERY Rank: Flying Officer Trade: Pilot Service No: J/36475 Date of Death: 23/09/1944 Age: 22 Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Air Force Grave Reference: Sec. E. Row E. Grave 11. Cemetery: HARROGATE (STONEFALL) CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Eugene Robitaille, and of Marguerite Carriere Robitaille, of Outremont, Province of Quebec, Canada. VIGNEAULT, JOSEPH PHILOROME AMBROISE Name VIGNEAULT, JOSEPH PHILOROME AMBROISE Service Number Rank Date of Death Grave / Regiment Service Memorial Age / Service Country Reference Royal Sec. E. HARROGATE (STONEFALL) Sergeant R/159546 23/09/1944 24 Canadian Canadian Row E. Air Force Grave 10. CEMETERY Rank: Sergeant Trade: Air Gnr. Service No: R/159546 Date of Death: 23/09/1944 Age: Cemetery / Memorial Name 24 Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Air Force Grave Reference: Sec. E. Row E. Grave 10. Cemetery: HARROGATE (STONEFALL) CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Edouard and Olive Lapierre Vigneault, of Quebec City, Canada. Newby Hall Staff – site visit identified the following fragments of aircraft No. 427 Squadron Lion In front of a maple leaf a lion rampant. The combination of a lion representing England and the maple leaf Canada indicates the formation of this squadron in England. Motto: FERTE MANUS CERTAS - "Striking sure" No. 427 Squadron formed at Croft on 7 November 1942 as another of the RCAF's bomber squadrons, becoming part of No. 6 Group on 1 January 1943. It was equipped with Vickers Wellington Mk IIIs and Mk Xs, and began operations with a minelaying sortie to the Frisian Islands on 14 December 1942. Thereafter it continued to operate by night against enemy targets in Europe until May 1943, when it moved to Leeming and re-equipped with Handley Page Halifax Mk Vs. It was soon back on operations again and flew at a high intensity, replacing these Merlin-engined machines with Halifax Mk IIIs in the first few months of 1944. It was this version with which the squadron flew its greatest number of sorties, using them for over a year and relinquishing them for Avro Lancasters only just before the Second World War ended. The Lancasters flew a few operations before VE-Day and then were busy on the more pleasant task of liberating and bringing home POWs from all over Europe. No. 427 Squadron remained as part of Bomber Command at Leeming until disbanding there on 31 May 1946. A Handley-Page Halifax B.Mk V of No. 427 Squadron. The squadron was adopted by the MGM film company and some aircraft were named after film stars. Reformed as a Fighter unit at St Hubert (Montreal), Quebec on 1 August 1952 with Sabre aircraft, the squadron joined No. 3 (Fighter) Wing at Zweibrucken, Germany in March 1953. Selected as the first of eight squadrons in No. 1 Air Division Europe to be re-equipped with CF-104 Starfighter aircraft for a nuclear strike role, it was deactivated on 15 December 1962 and reactivated as Strike Attack on the 17th. On 1 February 1968 the squadron was integrated into the Canadian Armed Forces. The squadron was disbanded in June 1970, to be reformed as 427 Tactical Helicopter Squadron at CFB Petawawa, Ontario. No. 427 Tactical Helicopter Squadron remains at CFB Petawawa where it is currently equipped with the CH-146 Griffon. Battle Honours: English Channel and North Sea 1943-1945, Baltic 1944-1945, Rhine Fortress Europe 19431944, France and Germany 1944-1945, Biscay 1944, Biscay Ports 1943-1944, Ruhr 19431945, Berlin 1943-1944, German Ports 1943-1945, Normandy 1944 Aircraft Wellington III (November 1942 - April 1943) Wellington X (February 1942 - May 1943) Halifax V (May 1943 - February 1944) Halifax III (January 1944 - March 1945) Lancaster I/III (April 1945 - May 1946) Sabre CF-104 Starfighter CH-135 Twin Huey CH-136 Kiowa CH-146 Griffon Historical Achievements - 1 Wellington laid mines in Frisian Islands area. - 9 Lancasters bombed gun positions on island of Wangerooge & another Lancaster bombed buildings on island of Spiekerooge due to mistaken identity. http://www.canadianwings.com/Squadrons/squadronDetail.php?No.-427-Squadron-86