CHEMICAL PROCESSING
MARCH 2015
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UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
MARCH 2-5, 2015
BERLIN, GERMANY
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, MARCH 2 to THURSDAY, MARCH 5
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Chemical Processing Task Group (CPTG) was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 02-Mar-2015.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Hal
Olaf
Augusto
Tomohiko
Ester
Malik
Ricardo
Carleen
Robert
Wojciech
Michael
Alessio
Arielle
Katelyn
Brandon
Karyn
Duygu
Greg
Gerald W.
Hirohiko
Stephen
Kazuhiro
John
Martin
Norberto
Marc-André
Veronique
Marc
Ramalingam
Jerker
Luis Gustavo
Earl
Josefa
Jonathan
Mariusz
COMPANY NAME
Abel
Adam
Albolino
Ashikaga
Bosoh
Boutoba
Bove
Brubaker
Cashman
Cmok
Coleman
Colombara
Corna
Crowley
Davis
Deming
Deniz
Haataja
Harvey
Hattori
Judge
Kajima
Koenig
Kolinko
Lafuente
Lefebvre
Marcel
Montreuil
Muralikrishnan
Nordh
Pacheco
Pruett
Rodriguez Baena
Scudder
Stanczyk
Raytheon
Premium AEROTEC GmbH
Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd
Rolls-Royce
AIRBUS Helicopters
Embraer
AIRBUS
Parker Aerospace
Goodrich (UTAS)
The Boeing Company
AgustaWestland
Spirit AeroSystems Inc.
Bell Helicopter
Sikorsky Aircraft
Goodrich (UTAS)
GE Aviation
Bell Helicopter Textron
Triumph Group
MITSUBISHI HEAVY INDUSTRIES, LTD.
Bombardier Inc.
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.
The Boeing Company
Eaton Aerospace
AIRBUS
Héroux-Devtek Inc.
SAFRAN
Héroux Devtek Inc.
GE Aviation
GKN Aerospace Engine Systems Sweden
Embraer SA
Lockheed Martin Corporation
AIRBUS
Pratt & Whitney
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Chairperson
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Steven
Yuhui
Stanley
Zia
Shawn
Michael
Gene
Sergey
Johan
Stephan
Starr
Sun
Trull
Usmani
Vierthaler
Vosatka
Wallace
Yesilevich
Yttervik
Zeimetz
Honeywell Aerospace
COMAC
Honeywell Aerospace
BAE Systems - MAI
Spirit AeroSystems, Inc.
Rockwell Collins
Triumph Group
Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
GKN Aerospace Norway
Liebherr Aerospace Lindenberg GmbH
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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COMPANY NAME
Mark
Phillip
Rebecca
Stephane
Jim
David
Airey
Brockman
Burns
Chaumeil
Cummings
Curry
Ergun
Alex
Paul
Bill
Ladislav
Eric
Robert
Filiz
Stefan
David
Hubert
Koray
Rosa
Ian
Julie
Michael
Didem
Richard
Tammi
Dave
Bernd
Vitorio
Yoshiomi
Bartosz
Evrensel
French
French
Heeter
Hubinsky
Jacklin
Jarvis
Jildirim
Kassner
Kelly
Kern
Kilins
Martin
McDonald
Nguyen
Noettl
Ozmen
Perks
Schubert
Serbousek
Spelsberg
Stana
Sukesada
Wojtczak
Robert Stuart Ltd.
Techmetals
Robert Stuart Ltd.
Galion
Metal Finishing Company, Inc.
Tewkesbury (Diamond Chrome) Plating Co
Ltd.
Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc.
Aerofin Laboratories Ltd.
Aerofin Laboratories Ltd.
Skills Inc.
NU-PRO Ltd.
F.M. Callahan & Son, Inc.
RTI Advanced Forming Ltd.
Mikron Muhendislik Ltd.
Nehlsen-BWB Flugzeug-Galvanik
ASKO Processing
FACC Operations GmbH
Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc.
Superior Plating
Robert Stuart Ltd.
Element Materials Technology
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory
Mikron Muhendislik Ltd.
RTI Advanced Forming Ltd
LMI Aerospace-Tulsa
Olympic Scientific Inc.
Otto Fuchs KG
Avcorp Industries Inc.
Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Inc.
NU-PRO Ltd.
PRI Staff Present
Will
Nigel
1.2
Calvert
Cook
Safety Information:
Reviewed Fire Exits from Meeting Room
Informed attendees to contact Performance Review Institute (PRI) staff person with any
emergencies.
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1.3
Reviewed Code of Ethics (Referenced: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct.
1.4
Presented the Antitrust Video (only at the first open and first closed meeting of the week for each
Task Group).
1.5
Reviewed Agenda.
2.0
REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED
The delegation trackers, t-frm-07s, of the delegated audit report reviewers, Mike Graham, Nigel
Cook, Will Calvert and Robert Nixon were reviewed. They all exceeded criteria for maintaining
delegation and the Task Group voted to continue their delegation.
The trackers for non-delegated reviewers, John (Jack) Holman and Ying (Lang) Martin, were also
reviewed.
3.0
NUCAP – CLOSED
Scope Exception 521: This scope exception was internally disapproved on 18-Feb-2015 with the
notation “After a review with Bill Pickup it was concluded the Staff Engineer (SE) was not needed
and could be cancelled.”
4.0
AUDITOR CONSISTENCY (NOP-012) - CLOSED
Nigel Cook gave a presentation on the feedback from observation audits; the Sub-Team’s activity
since the last meeting, and the Sub-Team’s process for selecting Auditors of concern. The SubTeam had proposed significant changes to NOP-012, particularly on the flow and clarity of the
procedure, and most of these had been agreed and will be balloted once the Nadcap document
transition process was complete. The selection criterion was based on a risk assessment table
with risk factors for years of service, Non-conformances reports (NCR’s) per audit, and
consistency with previous Auditor. From the data analysis, 7 Auditors were identified as being
Auditors of concern.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor consistency sub-team to identify potential audits for observations and
seek volunteers to conduct them. (Due Date: 15-Apr-2015)
5.0
RISK MITIGATION - CLOSED
Nigel Cook gave an updated presentation on the experiences of the risk mitigation teams and
showed the location of the training presentation in eAuditNet.
There was discussion and feedback from the Subscribers with experience working risk mitigation
audits. Some stated concerns were:
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Reviewers having difficulty finding the time to work these audits
How to handle Suppliers that may have acted unethically
Should only Subscribers that have work at the Supplier be involved with the risk mitigation
Difficulty in finding volunteers to work risk mitigation audits
Should Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA) still be required after the 24 month wait after
suspension
Who is notified when the audit in risk mitigation is suspended
What about processes not audited when an audit fails to NOP-011 Mode A
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to investigate and find who is notified when an audit in risk mitigation
is suspended and if necessary raise an eAuditNet enhancement request to have Subscribers also
notified (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
The training presentations for the risk mitigation process, for Subscribers and Suppliers, can be
found at Public Documents > eAuditNet > User Guides / Tutorials.
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6.0
RESOLUTION BY TASK GROUP ISSUES - CLOSED
(Will Calvert) Audit#: 160719
OBSERVATION: While auditing testing of plating thickness for a job per QQP-416 Ty2 Cl2 in
accordance with ASTM B568 (XRF), the chromate conversion coating was not removed per
paragraph 10.3.3 of ASTM B568. The presence of chrome and or contaminants has the potential
to skew the thickness readings.
CONFLICT: ASTM B568 10.3.3 says remove conversion coat before measurements, but QQ-P416 4.6.1 states that it's OKAY to measure after supplementary coatings.
Motion made by Hal Abel and seconded by John Koenig that this must be clarified by the
Customer(s) with Design Authority. Motion Passed.
(Will Calvert) Audit#: 156955
Industry test procedure for humidity testing for passivation requires that temperature and humidity
be maintained within certain limits for 24 hours.
Supplier checks temperature and humidity of the cabinet when parts are place in the chamber, at
the end of the shift and when parts are removed. There are no recording devices attached to the
humidity chamber to verify that temperature and humidity remain on tolerance for the test period.
Motion made by Zia Usmani and seconded by Hal Abel that the Task Group will not invoke a
requirement to continuously record the temperature and humidity of the chamber. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to draft and post an Auditor Advisory notifying that there is no implicit
requirement for the Supplier to record the temperature and humidity continuously. (Due Date: 30Apr-2015)
(Mike Graham) General Analytical Question from SKF Aeroengine (Falconer, NY):
Is it acceptable for a neutralization tank (after etch) to be analyzed via pH paper? (See below)
What if the supplier has customer approval but not from all customers?
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We use 0-14 pH indicator strips to maintain our neutralization bath.
We check the pH level every shift of operation.
Our customers require that we maintain our neutralizer bath within 10-12 pH and they do not
require the usage of pH meters and buffer solutions.
In past Nadcap audits, the Auditor marks the section Not Applicable (N/A) on buffer solutions
(5.1.12) with the explanation that test strips are used.
Motion made by Zia Usmani and seconded by John Koenig that pH paper is not allowed to be
used to set, monitor, or control the control of a process unless approved by the Customers with
Design Authority. Motion Passed 14:1.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to draft and post an Auditor Advisory notifying that pH paper is not
allow without permission from the Customers with Design Authority. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend the Chemical Processing (CP) Audit Handbook to clarify that
pH paper is not allowed for pH testing of processing solutions, including neutralization baths and
rinse waters, without permission from the Customers with Design Authority. (Due Date: 20-Jun2015)
(Will Calvert) Audit #157085
This Supplier is an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) with Design Authority over the only
part it produces. The Supplier’s shop papers stated to plate to AMS2404 Electroless Nickel. This
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specification has certain requirements to be flowed down in the purchase order such as the
revision level. The Supplier was unable to provide a purchase order with the required information
in it. The CP Staff Engineers discussed this situation and determined that as long as they were
following what their engineering directed then they shouldn’t be required to conform to the
AMS2404 requirements for content of a purchase order.
Does the Task Group agree that this was the correct approach?
Motion made by John Koenig and seconded by Hal Abel to void all purchase order related
findings based the statement in AMS2404 that ‘The following information shall be provided to the
plating processor by the purchaser.’ Since the Supplier is the OEM, which is their own purchaser,
the requirements do not apply. Motion Passed.
(Will Calvert) Supplier Advisory 2543
A Type C supplier advisory was issued due to a report from a Subscriber that the Supplier had
used incorrect CARC paint on hardware and provided at CofC that the correct CARC paint was
used. A Sub team was formed to investigate and render an opinion of what corrective action
should be taken to the Task Group. After the Sub team presented their opinion, the Task Group
reviewed the findings in the investigation Spot Audit and discussed the options such as
accreditation withdrawal. The Task Group decided to gain some more information through
additional findings in the Spot Audit about the issue before acting.
ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to include the new findings on the spot audit (167136) (Due Date: 12Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to review the responses from the spot audit (167136) with the Task
Group. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
(Nigel Cook) Training on the new Auditor Forum
Nigel Cook presented a gap analysis that showed what training the Auditors are required to take
in the New Auditor Orientation (NAO) and what was traditionally given in the two day on-site
training.
Motion made by Hal Abel and seconded by Shawn Vierthaler that any training method needed to
close this gap was acceptable. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Robert Nixon and Nigel Cook to train the identified Auditors on the subject matter
that has not been covered by the LMS training) (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue the amended training curriculum. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to update NTGOP-001 App CP to remove the defined duration and
method for the onsite Auditor training. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
7.0
VOTING MEMBER APPROVAL & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN
The following requests for voting membership were received:
Title
First Name
Surname
Company
Voting Member
Type
Meetings
Attended
(Month/Year)
Mr.
Marc
Montreuil
Heroux-Devtek
Inc.
Subscriber Voting
Member (UVM)
10/14
03/15
Ms.
Katelyn
Crowley
Bell Helicopter
Subscriber Voting
Member (UVM)
10/14
03/15
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Motion made by Hal Abel and seconded by John Koenig to approve the above voting members.
Motion Passed.
Changes:
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Mike Vosatka (Rockwell Collins) changed from Alternate (ALT)/UVM to UVM.
Paul Slater (Rockwell Collins) changed from UVM to ALT/UVM.
David Jones – Task Group Chairperson has reconfirmed his voting membership for this new
company, Precision Protective Coatings.
John Koenig is retiring from The Boeing Company and Mike Coleman is replacing him as the
UVM.
Yoshiomi Sukesada from Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Inc. has had his voting rights removed for not
meeting NOP-001 requirements.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to arrange for voting rights to be given to the Task Group members
named above. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2015)
8.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN
The Task Group reviewed and selected from suggested topics for the auditor conference then
formed an agenda and assigned team members to each of the selected topics.
These were the selected topics:
Training Topics
NCR Issues
Job Tracker
ITAR/EAR
Auditor Advisories
Auditor Consistency
Auditor Feedback on the Audit Process & Checklist
Clarity
AC7108 Section 5.4 and 5.5
Salt Spray Testing
Painting
Sol Gel Bonding
Metallurgy
Identification of Peened hardware
Contract Flowdown
TiCad Plating
IVD
CP/ Non-Destructive Testing (NDT) Checklist Changes
Team Members
Robert Nixon
Nigel Cook
Robert Nixon
Nigel Cook
Mike Stolze
Nigel Cook
Nigel Cook
Team Lead- Veronique Marcel, Nigel Cook
Malik Boutoba, Zia Usmani, Stephan Chaumeil
Team Lead- Phillip Nash, Nigel Cook
Mike Coleman, Steve Judge, Mike Noettl
Team Lead- Mike Coleman, Robert Nixon
Gene Wallace or Mike Coleman may have a
video
Team Lead- Zia Usmani, Nigel Cook
Marc Montreuil, Steve Starr
Team Lead- KT Quadar, Nigel Cook
Team Lead- Mike Coleman, Robert Nixon
Team Lead- A Boeing Rep, Mike Coleman,
Robert Nixon
Team Lead- Hal Abel, Robert Nixon
Jerry Wahlin
Team Lead- Nigel Cook/Mike Gutridge –
Joint CP/NDT Training.,
Mike Noettl, Sun Yuhui
ACTION ITEM: Auditor conference Sub teams to provide presentation outline/presentation detail
for review at the June 2015 Task Group meeting. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
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9.0
NADCAP MANAGEMENT COUNCIL (NMC) METRICS & AUDITOR CAPACITY – OPEN
Will Calvert reviewed the Auditor capacity, and NMC metrics. The Auditor Capacity overall was
good, although there was a little Capacity weakness in the Asia region. It was noted that there
was a RED status for Supplier cycle time on initial audits and a YELLOW status for Task Group
cycle time. The percent of eligible processors with merit remained YELLOW.
10.0
NEW SUPPLIER ORIENTATION – OPEN
Nigel Cook and Eric Jacklin provided information on the New Supplier Mentoring program.
11.0
CP/NDT AC7108/2 PROPOSAL – OPEN
Nigel Cook gave an update on the status of the CP/NDT Sub team for Pre-Penetrant Etch (PPE)
and Etch Inspection.
The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) was reviewed and amended. The Task Group
unanimously approved the amended MOU. The main part of the amendment was that Etch Audits
conducted by an NDT Auditor should be completed as a checklist within the scope of the NDT
audit.
NTGOP-001 App CP and sfrm16 were reviewed for impact on audit duration because some
audits may need to go to 6 days due to the additional job audits and audit time to complete the
etch checklists. The NOP-011 Mode B failure criteria may also be impacted, see agenda item 20.
12.0
CHECKLIST STATEGIC PLAN - OPEN
Nigel Cook reviewed the implementation status of the checklist strategic plan. All required
checklists have now been balloted and comments resolved – AC7108/2, /6, and /15 were not
required to be balloted because of their uniqueness. The next steps are to update the checklist to
address changes from AC7108 Rev F to Rev G; create electronic versions of the checklists;
amend sfrm09 to address the new checklist structure, and amend sfrm16 for the new audit
duration and six day audits.
13.0
ELECTRICAL CONTACT RESISTANCE TESTING – OPEN
Will Calvert presented the proposed checklist questions for electrical resistance testing of Class 3
conversion coatings for inclusion in AC7108, Appendix B. The Sub team decided that the
checklist questions do not directly or indirectly require the use of instrumentation with Kelvin or
Wheatstone bridge circuitry. As such, the concerns about the mandating of these circuitries found
in some of the relevant specifications were outside the charter of this Sub team. The Sub team
recommended using the checklist without change. After reviewing the checklist, the Task Group
agreed to use the checklist as is.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include the new audit questions on electrical contact resistance
testing in the next technical revision of AC7108 and AC7108/4. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2016)
14.0
EQUALIFIED – OPEN
Hal Abel reviewed the questions from the Task Group members and answers provided by the
eQuaLified Department.
15.0
REACH– OPEN
Veronique Marcel with SAFRAN Group and Malik Boutoba with Airbus Helicopters gave an
update on the work their companies have done to identify alternatives to Chrome VI compounds
for both processing materials and paint primers.
Paul Hogben gave an update on the Chrome VI restrictions and methods of authorization to allow
their continued use. The responsibility for applying for authorization for continued use is really
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which the compound manufacturer and a compound user should ensure they map the supply
chain for the compound and ensure that the original manufacturer has applied for authorization.
Zia Usmani provided a link to a website that contains information on REACH, including substance
bans and authorizations, http://www.jonesdayreach.com/SitePages/About%20REACH.aspx.
16.0
SURFACE ENHANCEMENT TASK GROUP – OPEN
Will Calvert gave an update on the stress relief and curing on peened parts after chemical
processing that was developed by the Sub team consisting of members from the Surface
Enhancement and Chemical Processing commodities. The Sub Team ultimately deemed that this
was a flow down issue that may not always be visible to the Auditor. As such, it was decided that
the best approach was to raise awareness. The Task Group approved training on this subject for
the October Auditor conference.
Motion made by Bill Heeter and seconded by John Koenig to draft an Auditor Advisory informing
the Auditors of this issue. Motion passed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to draft and Auditor Advisory and have it approved by the Surface
Enhancement Sub Team. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2015)
17.0
APPROVAL OF THE CP AUDIT HANDBOOK AND AUDIT REVIEW GUIDELINES– OPEN
Handbook was not reviewed as it was not posted in eAuditNet two weeks prior to the conference
as required by NTGOP-001 App. CP section 3.2.
Motion made by Bill Heeter and seconded by Jim Cummings to remove the requirement that the
Auditor Handbook has to be posted two weeks in advance in eAuditNet before it can be reviewed
and approved by the Task Group as now required in NTGOP-001 APP CP, section 3.2. Motion
Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to remove the wording in NTGOP-001 APP CP, section 3.2. that requires
two week advance posting before the Auditor Handbook can be reviewed and approved. (Due
Date: 20-Jun-2015)
18.0
AUDITOR CONSISTENCY (NOP-012) – OPEN
Nigel Cook gave a summary of the Sub team’s work including the observation audits conducted
and the new criteria for selecting auditors of concern.
19.0
RISK MITIGATION (NOP-011) – OPEN
Nigel Cook gave a report out on the lessons learned in the process of working several risk
mitigation audits.
20.0
NOP-011 FAILURE CRITERIA DUE TO 6 DAY AUDITS– OPEN
Nigel Cook reviewed the previous Mode B Failure Criteria, including the 3 day cap, and provided
the possible options for the new failure criteria based on analysis of audits conducted in 2014. He
also reminded the Task Group that future audits may go to six days because of the longer etch
audits. The Task Group then voted on which failure criteria to adopt.
Initial Audits:
95% = 1 vote, 98% = 21 votes
3 Day Cap = 1 vote, 4 Day Cap = 21 votes
Re-Accreditation Audits:
95% = 3 votes, 98% = 19 votes
3 Day Cap = 0 votes, 4 Day Cap = 22 votes
The NOP-011 Mode B failure criteria for CP will therefore be:
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Initial Audits:
Days
Major
Total
1
2
5
Re-Accreditation Audits:
Days
1
Major
2
Total
4
2
3
9
3
5
14
4
6
18
5
6
18
6
6
18
2
3
7
3
4
10
4
6
13
5
6
13
6
6
13
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to provide Mike Graham the CPTG Mode B failure criteria for inclusion
in NOP-011. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2015)
21.0
RETEST AND REPLACEMENT TEST DEFINITIONS – OPEN
There was no presentation given as Tim Myers is no longer the Chairperson for Materials Testing
Laboratories (MTL) and there is no evidence that MTL now wants to standardize the definitions of
Retest and Replacement tests between the two commodities.
22.0
NMC SUMMARY REPORT– OPEN
Karyn Deming reviewed the NMC summary report with the Task Group.
23.0
REPORT OUTS – OPEN
Nadcap Management Council (NMC): Jim Cummings gave a report out from the NMC meeting.
Supplier Support Committee (SSC): Eric Jacklin gave a report out from the Supplier Support
Committee (SSC) meeting.
Aerospace Quality System (AQS): Mike Coleman gave a report out regarding his role as the
AQS representative.
Planning and Operations (P&O) Closed: Karyn Deming gave a report out on the Planning and
Operations and closed meeting.
Chemical Processing - Supplier Action Team (CP-SAT): Mike Noettl gave a report out from
the CP-SAT meeting.
The CP-SAT asked if there is a general decline in Subscriber/Supplier attendance at the Task
Group meetings. Can data for CPTG & CP-SAT meeting attendance over the last 5 years be
reviewed?
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to get data on attendance at CPTG and CP-SAT meetings for the last 5
years for trend review. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
There are many audits, including initial audits, which have had zero major NCRs raised. Is there
any correlation with auditors that do/don’t attend the annual auditor conference and the number of
NCRs raised by those auditors?
It was requested that the Auditor Consistency Sub team look into this.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor Consistency Sub team to get data on Auditors that do/do not attend the
auditor conference and the number of Major/Total NCRs raised to determine if there is a
correlation. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2015)
24.0
ANY OTHER BUSINESS– OPEN
Ballot Validation: Due to there not being an issue with getting the voting members voting and
not Waiving, it was determined that this presentation was not needed for the Chemical
Processing Task Group.
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Water Break Free Surfaces: Some auditors have had issue with understanding the
requirements associated with a Water Break Free test and they wanted to know the expectation
of the Task Group. Of concern were questions such as can the Supplier continually soak the
parts or re-immersed to prevent drying?
This topic was tabled without objection as the replacement testing method, which is referred to a
‘Surface Cleanliness’ test, is in the process of being defined.
Copper Sulfate Solution: Per the AMS 2700E, water that meets ASTM D 1193 Type IV must be
used to make up the Copper Sulfate and for Water Immersion testing. The Type IV water has a
limit of 50 ppb for both Sodium and Chloride. This precludes the use of standard distilled or
deionized water without additional analysis which can be difficult to obtain. A Sub team was
formed to investigate and provide recommendations to the Task Group. This Sub team consists
of Hal Able, Mike Noettl, Steve Starr, Jim Cummings, and Robert Nixon.
ACTION ITEM: The Type IV water Sub team is to investigate and provide recommendations to the
Task Group at the Montreal Conference on compliance to the AMS 2700 water requirement. (Due
Date: 20-Jun-2015)
Electropolish: During the transition of the checklist strategy, electropolishing as a unique
technology was overlooked. As electropolishing is commonly used as a form of passivation is
was suggested that electropolishing be combined with AC7108/12 passivation technology.
Motion made by Mike Noettl and seconded by Hal Abel for electropolishing to be combined with
the AC7108/12 passivation checklist. Motion Passed.
25.0
MEETING FEEDBACK AND DEVELOP THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT TASK GROUP
MEETING
There were no issues raised in the meeting feedback other than ensuring people had the
microphone before commenting during a discussion.
The agenda for the next meeting was drafted. Monday will be closed and Tuesday, Wednesday
and Thursday will be open.
ADJOURNMENT – 05-Mar-2015 – Meeting was adjourned at 2:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by:
Nigel Cook
ncook@p-r-i.org
Will Calvert
wcalvert@p-r-i.org
Joyce Benkart jbenkart@p-r-i.org
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision: Who is responsible:
CP Audit Handbook
Nigel Cook
NTGOP-001 APP CP
Nigel Cook
New Auditor Training Curriculum
Nigel Cook
Due date:
20-Jun-2015
20-Jun-2015
20-Jun-2015
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