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Summary of comment(s)
Officer response
OLD BASING, BASING (2 OBJECTIONS, 3 LETTERS OF SUPPORT )
Objector 1
a) I see no need to put double yellow lines on
Milkingpen Lane. The existing single yellow
line is sufficient and no one parks on the
road during school times.
Objector 1
a) Double yellow lines are proposed from the
five-ways junction along Milkingpen Lane
and Belle Vue Road, using the same
restriction throughout avoids confusion and
will keep the area free from parked vehicles
at all times. A single yellow line must be
signed to show the days and hours of
operation. A double yellow line however
requires no signage. In a rural setting, such
as Old Basing, double yellow lines are
often preferable to avoid the use of new
posts and signs which can be a visual
intrusion and add to street clutter. Signs
are also costly to install and maintain.
Double yellow lines are also more likely to
be respected by drivers and self-enforcing.
Objector 2
a) Since 1992 school parking has been a slight
annoyance but it has not been a major
problem until the project started at Black
Dam. Since then traffic has been
unbearable. As works will be completed in
June we suggest that we have no waiting
signage during school pick up and drop off
times similar to the signage suggested for
The Mead.
b) Parking will be pushed further up the road
and annoy residents there.
c) There are bus stops and a post box within
the restrictions.
d) We strongly object to the proposals and
would appreciate further investigation and a
review of the issue.
Objector 2
a) The parking problems at five-ways junction
have been happening for some time.
Officers investigated the site and devised
the scheme before the works at Black Dam
roundabout started. The construction works
at Black Dam roundabout has increased
traffic through five-ways junction. See
comments above in 1 a) regarding the
request for a single yellow line.
b) The proposal aims to ease congestion at
the traffic lights of the five-ways junction,
where at times the conflict of queuing traffic
and parked vehicles prevents the flow of
traffic. The scheme does not propose to
prevent all parking in the area and some
vehicles will be displaced further along
Byfleet Avenue and Hatch Lane. Some on
street parking is to be expected in close
proximity to a school and it would be
unreasonable to prevent all school time
related parking in the area. However if the
yellow lines are implemented the parking
situation would be monitored and if
necessary further restrictions included in a
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future order.
c) By easing congestion the proposal should
assist both the bus and postal service.
d) Comment noted.
Supporter 1
a) I support the order. However I hope the
following can be addressed.
 The restrictions must be enforced
on a regular basis. Current
enforcement is infrequent.
 I would like to see the existing
yellow lines in The Mead refreshed
as they are fading.
Supporter 1
a) Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council is
responsible for enforcing parking and
waiting restrictions on roads throughout the
borough. Civil Enforcement Officers
(CEOs) patrol Basingstoke and Deane
streets to ensure that parking and waiting
restrictions are being complied with and do
undertake visits to Old Basing. If there is a
continued problem with vehicles parking on
yellow lines the Parking Team can take
action and if possible increase their visits to
the area.
b) Hampshire County Council is responsible
for the maintenance of carriageway
markings on the highway. However if the
proposal goes ahead the line painters can
refresh the markings in The Mead at the
same time as implementing the scheme.
Supporter 2
a) I think the proposal is an excellent one;
however I suggest the lines do not go far
enough along Byfleet Avenue and Park
Lane. All that will happen is that the
congestion will be moved further away from
the traffic lights but will still take place just
further along each of the roads.
Supporter 2
a) The proposal aims to ease congestion at
the traffic lights of the five-ways junction,
where at times queuing traffic and parked
vehicles prevents the flow of traffic. The
scheme does not propose to prevent all
parking in the area and some vehicles will
be displaced further along Byfleet Avenue
and Park Lane. Short term on-street
parking is inevitable in close proximity to a
school and where it is safe to park it would
be unreasonable to prevent it. However if
the yellow lines are implemented the
parking situation would be monitored and if
necessary further restrictions could be
included in a future order.
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Supporter 3
Supporter 3
a) We would welcome the proposed parking
a) The layby opposite Paulet Place will remain
controls to ease congestion, improve the
unrestricted and parking will be available
flow of traffic and safety for all around the
on a first come first served basis. There is
village during these busy times in the day. A
no restriction that can be used on the
couple of comments for your consideration:highway to create a dropping off zone.
Parking in the layby does not affect traffic
 The layby opposite Paulet Place,
flow or visibility and it would not be
will you make this a dropping off
appropriate to introduce a restriction in this
zone only, the layby is completely
location. The proposal will not stop people
full by 2:30, and I can imagine cars
using their car to pick up and collect
arriving even earlier now to reserve
children from school and vehicles will still
their space. We do feel cars will
park as close as possible to the school.
still be parking on the main and
This is a short term parking issue that has
side roads although further away
to be accepted in the vicinity of any school.
from the schools, to make a
We will continue to monitor the area and if
difference around the village,
vehicles are found to be parking in a
extend the proposed parking
location that effects road safety, visibility or
controls to change parking
the flow of traffic a further traffic order could
behaviours.
be promoted to address this.
 Apart from parking available at the
b) Parking is available at the recreation
Royal British Legion, have the
ground although this is some distance from
schools considered promoting
the schools and may not be suitable for
parking at Old Basing Recreation
some people. The schools do have travel
Ground? And the reintroduction of
plans which promote alternatives ways to
the walking bus to promote the
travel to and from school. The schools will
health benefits of walking to
be asked to remind parents of the options
school?
available.
RECOMMENDED: Implement the traffic order
as proposed and monitor its effect 3 to 6 months
after implementation.
HUNTSMOOR ROAD/BISHOPSWOOD ROAD, BAUGHURST AND TADLEY NORTH (2
OBJECTIONS, 1 LETTER GIVING COMMENTS AND 2 LETTERS OF SUPPORT)
Objector 1
Objector 1
a) Comment noted.
a) The proposed lines are on the whole not a
b) There is a high demand for parking in this
problem as they will be on areas where
area of Huntsmoor Road. Paragraph 243 of
people don’t park
the Highway Code does state ‘do not stop
b) There is a high demand for parking and an
or park opposite or within 10 metres of a
inadequate provision. Losing parking for 5 or
junction, except in an authorised parking
more vehicles between the existing disabled
space’. Irrespective of the proposal
parking bay and bus stop will make the
vehicles should not be parking between the
problem worse.
bus stop and the disabled bay on
c) Already vehicles park on the green verges.
Huntsmoor Road. See d) for further
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information.
c) Tadley Town Council owns the grassed
area and will be asked to consider installing
bollards to prevent parking on the grass
verge.
d) Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council
does have a budget with which to address
parking issues in residential roads.
The Council has adopted assessment
criteria for prioritising these requests. The
criteria have been applied to approximately
400 roads that have been identified to the
Council as having a parking problem. The
Council is currently investigating the top 30
roads on the list. Deanswood Road is
ranked 7th and funding was made available
to create additional spaces in the road.
Huntsmoor Road is ranked 250th.
Additional spaces could not be provided in
Huntsmoor Road until those roads that
rank higher have been investigated.
Prioritising requests is the fairest way of
dealing with requests for additional parking
and those roads which are of higher priority
do have to be investigated first. However
officers will re-examine the road and if
necessary resurvey the small section of
Huntsmoor Road between Deanswood
Road and Bishopswood Road.
d) There is a parking scheme for Deanswood
Road to create additional spaces. I believe a
similar scheme is required for Huntsmoor
Road. There are 10 houses set back from
the road that have no off street parking. I
would only be happy with the proposed
restriction if adequate parking facilities are
provided. A layby for nose in parking or an
access road to enable residents to create
driveways would help. If a large amount of
money can be spent on Deanswood Road,
Huntsmoor Road definitely warrants some.
Objector 2
a) A resident has mobility issues and finds it
difficult to walk far. If the proposal is
implemented it will mean that we would
have to park towards the eastern end of
the road, quite a considerable distance.
Objector 2
a) The resident is a blue badge holder and
may be eligible for a disabled parking bay.
An officer will contact the resident to
discuss this option.
Letter with comments
a) The main problem is the amount of traffic
that uses Huntsmoor Road and
Bishopswood Road as a cut through. The
number of traffic lights, crossings and
roundabouts on the main road through
Tadley makes Huntsmoor Road and
Letter with comments
a) Hampshire County Council is the Highway
Authority and deals with requests for traffic
controls and measures that require
engineering works. They do have a Traffic
Management Programme, which has an
allocated budget to be used to investigate
and implement such measures. Potential
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schemes are prioritised, based on criteria
including the injury accident history of the
location, whether the potential scheme
benefits vulnerable road users, and the
level of local support. Hampshire County
Council will be asked to consider measures
for possible inclusion in a future works
programme.
Bishopswood Road a more desirable route.
Would speed humps slow down drivers that
take this route?
Supporter 1
Supporter 1
a) Comment noted
a) I welcome the proposal.
b) See comments in 1 c)
b) When parking is not available vehicles park
on the grass verge. This is eroding the grass
away and creating large muddy areas. To
prevent any more damage to the verge I
suggest posts are installed like on the
opposite side of the road. I would not want to
see the area deteriorate any further due to
inappropriate parking.
Supporter 2
a) We are in full agreement with the proposal
b) Difficulties are caused by traffic trying to cut
through to avoid Tadley town centre. There
are problems with speeding traffic, we need
speed humps.
c) The problem is caused by the Town Council
refusing to allow residents to park off street
on the land that was gifted to them by the
MOD.
d) Vehicles damage the green space by
parking on it.
Supporter 2
a) Comment noted.
b) See comments in response to the letter
with comments.
c) Tadley Town Council owns the land and
residents would need to discuss this with
them.
d) See comments to objector 1 c).
Objector 1
a) Is it necessary to place the double yellow
lines across the driveways? By the nature of
them being a driveway no one should park
across them? I would be more accepting of
the proposal if there were no double yellow
lines across the accesses.
Objector 1
a) Quite often where double yellow lines are
installed outside of a school vehicles park
exactly where the lines stop, sadly this can
include across driveways. To prevent
vehicles parking over the driveways yellow
lines have been proposed to cover both
accesses.
RECOMMENDED: Implement the traffic order
as proposed and monitor its effect 3 to 6 months
after implementation.
WOOLTON HILL, EAST WOODHAY (2 OBJECTIONS)
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Objector 2
a) I would like to object to the lines on the
northern side of the road. I see no reason
why people would park here when they have
not been doing so whilst the police cones
are there. Parents at the school all park on
the school side of the road.
b) I also see no reason to put double yellow
lines across a driveway when all other
driveways have a white line indicating this is
a clear space.
Objector 2
a) Double yellow lines are proposed on both
sides of the road to keep this area
completely free of parked vehicles, creating
a ‘pull in’ area to allow traffic to pass.
b) See 1a) above. A white line, an entrance
protection marking, is an advisory marking
and can be installed without a traffic order.
RECOMMENDED: Considering the comments
made, it is recommended the proposed sections
of no waiting at any time are shortened so they
do not cover the driveways. The lines should be
monitored after implementation, and if vehicles
are found to be parking across the driveways
the lines could be extended in a future traffic
order.
CEDAR DRIVE, KINGSCLERE (1 LETTER OF SUPPORT)
a) Excellent proposal, it has been a real
problem with people parking on the bend
and it is surprising that there hasn't been an
accident already.
b) There is a similar problem at the junction of
Longcroft Road and Newbury Road in
Kingsclere with people parking right up to
the corner.
a) Comment noted.
b) Officers will investigate parking at this
junction and if necessary restrictions could
be included in a future traffic order.
Objector 1
a) Parked vehicles are not compromising the
bus stop.
b) The proposal increases parking pressure
along the terrace towards the Silk Mill.
There are 39 terraced houses within a 230m
length of road with no allocated parking. Car
ownership is high. Events in the village can
mean that weekend parking is unbearable.
Weavers Place, newly constructed, should
have been neutral in respect of its impact to
parking. This is not the case, as visitors to
these properties also have to park
somewhere adding to the existing parking
pressure. Parking along the road is
Objector 1
a) Comment noted.
b) There is a high demand for parking in this
part of Winchester Road. The proposal
aims to address a road safety issue at the
junction of Weavers Place. There is a fine
balance between addressing this issue and
retaining much needed on street parking
for residents. The proposal would result in
the loss of 2 spaces.
c) Weavers Place junction serves 5
properties. Other driveways along the road
do not serve as many properties and do not
have parked vehicles so close to the
RECOMMENDED: Implement the traffic order
as proposed and monitor its effect 3 to 6
months after implementation.
WINCHESTER ROAD, WHITCHURCH (3 OBJECTIONS, 2 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND 1
PETITION)
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extremely limited and undertaking piecemeal
traffic controls is short sighted in its
approach. Any proposed future changes to
the road must include provision of parking
elsewhere to ensure suitable balance is
retained.
c) The issue of residents of Weavers Place
being forced onto the wrong side of the road
when leaving their minor cul-de-sac is not
isolated. Other properties along the road
have driveways and have to pull out onto
Winchester Road with parked cars either
side of their property. Every resident along
Winchester Road has to navigate difficult
driving conditions as there is limited visibility.
d) What is the financial cost to the community
for enforcing a scheme for five properties in
Weavers Place?
e) Existing parking provision is clearly not
suitable, traffic and parking management
needs to be addressed as a whole and
without bias to one end of the street over
another.
access.
d) Double yellow lines are generally well
respected and self-enforcing. The Civil
Enforcement Officers currently visit
Whitchurch three times a week and at
targeted times during the evenings and/or
weekends to deal with any identified
problems. If the proposal goes ahead the
lines will be patrolled as part of the current
programme. There will not be an additional
cost for enforcement.
e) Comment noted.
Objector 2
Objector 2
a) I am strongly against the proposal of taking
a) See comments in 1 b). Vehicles may stop
away yet more parking spaces in Winchester
on single and double yellow lines to load or
Road. Over the past year, the Council has
unload or while passengers board or alight.
taken almost all of our parking spaces away
b) If the bus stop is not used in the evening or
by putting double yellow lines where there
on a Sunday it could be possible to restrict
were single lines before, and an extra-long
the days and hours of operation of the bus
white line creating an enlarged space
stop. This would allow vehicles to park in
for the bus stop. This has left us with only
the bus stop when it is not in use. Officers
three parking spaces for about twenty
will investigate this further and speak to the
houses plus visitors. Residents have real
bus operator.
problems parking, especially during the
c) Removing two parked vehicles from the
evenings and weekends. Plus loading and
road should not affect the speed of
unloading from the car, carrying shopping
vehicles. The speed along this part of
and children over a longer distance has
Winchester Road has recently been
now become an issue.
reduced to 20 miles per hour. Speed
b) The bus stop is only used during the day by
activated signs have been deployed in the
a few buses and not at all on Sundays so to
road to remind drivers of the speed. These
extend the stopping area is just making more
comments will be passed to Hampshire
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problems for residents and not of much use
to Stagecoach.
c) At most times during the day the traffic is
speeding, which suggests some calming
device is needed and parking can provide
this, so helping all drivers in Winchester
Road. If the speed was enforced to stay
nearer to 20 to 30 miles an hour, this
would allow all drivers more time to safely
join the road. This would benefit all residents
living in Winchester Road as there would
also be less stress crossing the road and for
car owners less vehicles hitting side mirrors
etc. which is a constant problem.
County Council as it is monitoring the 20
mph speed limit.
Objector 3
a) Since Weavers Place was constructed there
has been a loss of approximately three
parking spaces due to the re- positioning of
the bus stop, which differed from the
approved plans.
b) The access from Weavers Place has not
changed in the 38 years that I have been a
resident, the only change during this time is
the reduction in the speed limit and there
have not been any reported accidents
regressing from Weavers Place.
c) Your letter states that vehicles are forced
onto the wrong side of the road when turning
left, but this applies to all vehicles
proceeding northwards along Winchester
Road.
Objector 3
a) The bus stop was repositioned as part of
the development of Weavers Place. This
was agreed by Hampshire County Council
on the basis that it allowed buses to stop
parallel to the kerb. Also, it provides a
larger passing place within the normal row
of parked vehicles thereby improving traffic
flow on Winchester Road.
b) Comment noted.
c) See comments in 1c). Vehicles turning left
from Weavers Place do so from behind
parked vehicles that forces them onto the
wrong side of Winchester Road. However,
vehicles proceeding northwards on
Winchester Road have the benefit of good
forward visibility along the road.
Petition (signed by 23 residents)
a) We strongly oppose plans to further reduce
the parking in Winchester Road.
b) The changes made last year and the
incorrect positioning of the bus stop has
already resulted in the loss of at least 2
parking spaces. These further plans will
result in 2 further spaces being lost.
Effectively reducing parking by 20%.The
parking needs of residents have not been
considered.
Petition
a) Comment noted.
b) See 3a) above.
c) See comments in 1b) and c).
d) Comment noted. See 2b) above.
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c) The visibility issue is overstated as the
entrance to Weavers Place is well over 2 car
widths. This argument is spurious as it
applies to any resident with a drive joining a
road with on street parking. Safe exit can be
made by any competent driver. All vehicles
when coming from the Winchester direction
have to move to the other side of the road
and it is a 20mph zone.
d) There are 13 buses stopping a day and none
on Sundays and there have been no
problems of congestion due to the busses
stopping.
Supporter 1
a) It is with some relief we are pleased to note
that you propose to take action to relieve the
danger and nuisance associated with
vehicles parking close or next to the access
to Weavers Place.
b) Not only is there danger in driving in and out
of the access but public transport vehicles
are compromised as they have to stop short
of the facility provided in order to exit their
designated area. This situation has only
arisen because the bus stop was moved as
part of the new development.
c) Please ensure the proposed restriction
extends far enough North to be effective.
d) This is a busy road and although some
inconvenience may be experienced by those
who regularly park in this dangerous location
there is normally parking available close by.
A very small price to pay to resolve a danger
to persons using this highway, It is surely
only a matter of time before an incident
occurs which the provision of the proposed
parking restriction will avert.
Supporter 1
a) Comment noted.
b) Comment noted.
c) This proposal aims to keep enough of the
carriageway free from parked vehicles to
improve access and visibility in and out of
Weavers Place, whilst still allowing for as
much on-street parking as possible.
d) Comment noted.
Supporter 2
a) Winchester Road is a very busy and
dangerous road used by HGVs, tankers,
buses and through traffic. When vehicles are
parked either side of the access drivers are
Supporter 2
a) Comment noted.
b) Comment noted.
c) Comment noted.
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totally blind pulling out to all approaching
traffic. This is further compromised by
vehicles parked partly over the access.
b) When vehicles are approaching the bus stop
towards town, they have already overtaken
parked vehicles then they have to pull in
again because of parked vehicles in front of
the bus stop to avoid a collision.
c) There is adequate parking a short distance
down the road.
d) The proposal is crucial to avert an accident
waiting to happen.
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d) Comment noted.
RECOMMENDED: Considering the comments
made it is proposed to reduce the restriction in
length to cover the southern side of the
junction only and this is shown at Appendix 4.