RTF Implementers Subcommittee Meeting
April 24, 2015
10:00 am – 11:00 pm
Review of April 2015 RTF Meeting and Upcoming meeting items
Attendees
 Jennifer Anziano, RTF Manager
 Greta Zink, Avista Corp.
 Greg Kelleher, EWEB
 Ryan Firestone, RTF Contract Analyst
 Christian Douglass, RTF Contract Analyst
 Sean Abadilla, PSE
 Rachelle Humphrey, Avista Corp
 Kathy Yi, Idaho Power
 Courtney Dale, BPA
 Mark Johnson, BPA
 Jeremy Stewart, Idaho Power
 Don Jones, Jr, Pacific Corp
 Tom Lienhard, Avista Corp
 Phillip Kelsven, BPA
Discussion
The materials for this call are available here.
April RTF Meeting Debrief
Anziano gave a brief summary of the March RTF meeting.
Residential Clothes Washers: Baseline went down driven by more top loaders in the market, data
from NEEA field study on remaining moisture in washers. Overall savings increase. Laundry
detergent is removed as non energy saving as it is same price per dose. Saving assumes washer
goes in first or the same time as dryers.
 Yi: Is gas saving included as saving?
 Firestone: The any/any combination assumes water and gas savings as a non-energy
benefit.
Residential Clothes Dryers: This is a new planning UES measure. The RTF developed a research
strategy and redefined dryers to include dryers down to 4.0 cubic feet. A specific approach for
addressing the non energy benefits related to fire and maintaining the life of the clothes was not
included in the Research Strategy, although NEEA said they will be looking into it. The RTF did
not develop a combined clothes washer/dryer measure as Implementers can create their own
using the data RTF developed.
Commercial Clothes Washers: This measure was updated as it was due to sunset. The baseline is
based on national sales data (not RBSA), which has a different mix of top loaders and front
loaders. At the RTF, some members expressed concern about using national sales data rather
than regional data. Ultimately it was recognized that commercial clothes washers are not
included in the draft Seventh Plan, so it did not warrant a change.
Montana House 2: Proved UES measure update.
Residential Heat Pump Water Heaters: More research needed to improve the reliability of the
savings estimate. Decision was to approve the measure as Planning and adopt a research strategy
for the HVAC interaction. NEEA is planning to use the PNNL lab homes to do this research, but
the RTF is still waiting for a final research plan. The RTF will still be looking for a plan to
address the baseline, but the RTF did not provide a specific direction.
 Jones, Jr.: I am very interested in the baseline and encourage the RTF to give
informational guidance only. We are worried we don’t want it to be taken by utilities as
the regional understanding.
 Anziano: The plan is to have something more to present this summer. The goal is to
recognize savings associated with going from small to large tanks.
 Jones, Jr.: We will provide data we have on equipment.
Delivery Verification Guidance: The goal of delivery verification is to insure the measure
operates as intended. The Guidelines define that the RTF should provide guidance on what data
need to be collected. The materials are still draft, but Anziano presented the status of the work to
give a sense of how specific the guidance is and how the guidance is bounded.
 Jones, Jr.: Program operators have good ideas and technique on how to do it, I am not
sues if RTF want to do the “how” unless the implementers are asking for it, and the RTF
has money and time to do this.
 Kelsven and Jones, Jr. offered to share with the Implementers group how they are doing
it from the Implementers perspective.
 Kelsven: Commented billing analysis saving is lower.
 Lienhard: Cautioned using billing analysis, 10% of the overall consumption on the
monthly basis. From a cost standpoint pre and post analysis may look good for the
research plan but spending money on this may have limitation in implementation.
 Jones, Jr.: Agreed with Lienhard he wouldn’t classify billing analysis as delivery
verification. Pacific Corp uses the billing analysis for large homogenous study.
 Anziano: Appreciates the offer to walk through the “how”. We may look into that once
we are past this first stage.
Upcoming RTF Meeting agenda items
Anziano walked through the potential agenda topics for the May RTF meeting
 Dale: Will the MH calibration subcommittee met before the RTF meeting?
o Anziano: Last time the subcommittee met we had good input but subcommittee
likely will meet again.
 Anziano asked whether programs were using (or interested in having) an RTF Stnadard
Protocol for Industrial Motors Pump VFD
o Lienhard: Avista does most in HVAC arena in heating and cooling water pump
and air VFD
o Jones: Suggested moving this to custom.
o Yi: Idaho Power use VFD in custom programs and prescriptive for heating and
cooling.
Anziano: Looking further ahead, the RTF will be updating its Planning UES for Residential
Advanced Power Strips and asked the group if they have done any research
 Jones: Pacific Corp. is looking for RTF to do the research.
 Yi: Suggested reaching out to BPA or utilities.
 Anziano: agreed reaching broadly will be a good idea. RTF CATs are starting to track
unfunded research projects on the book to reach out to folks.
After the upcoming RTF meeting agenda discussion Anziano asked the group if they have
residential lighting sales data they can share with RTF CATs.
 Jones, Jr.: CAT can send us a wish list to everyone on the call on what they want to see
on the residential lighting.
 Anziano: we have started a RTF research request list that we can update and send to the
group
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Anziano asked the group if they have agenda items for the next implementers group.
 Kelsven: BPA would like to discuss how implementers are collecting information on
HVAC conversion and what comes through the program in terms of poor, fair, or good
insulations.
Meeting ended after the above discussion.