The Quinn and McGloughlin Families
Quinn and McGloughlin (or McLoughlin) are very common names in Ireland and it was therefore decided to begin research
into these two families by looking at the incidence of the surname of Ferdinand in Ireland, in an attempt to localise where your
family had originated. It might then be possible to find the marriage of John Ferdinand and Rosanna Quinn. Both Rosanna
Quinn and Mary McGloughlin were known to have been born in Ireland. Finding the marriage of either of them would,
hopefully, provide the names and occupations of their fathers.
A Mary Ferdinand had been found to be living with Thomas and Ellen Caffrey in 1901. She was a 51 year-old widow, born in
Ireland and she was said to be Thomas’s mother. She was more likely the mother of Ellen, whose maiden name was known to
be Ferdinand. No birth or baptism had been found for Ellen, but the baptism of a possible brother, James, had been located in
the records of St Alban’s Roman Catholic Church in Blackburn. This named the child’s mother as Mary McGloughlin. The
birth of this child does not appear to have been formally registered with the authorities.
Rose Ferdinand had already been found in the 1851 census with her six children. All had been born in Lancashire, apart from 7
year-old Rose, who was born in Ireland. Although enumerated as a married woman, her husband was not present. A baptism of
one of the children, John, had been located and this confirmed that Rosanna’s husband was called John.
In 1841, John and Rose Ferdinand were found to be living at Burn Naye, Thornton, which is in Fylde, Lancashire
(HO107/497/7, fol. 17, p. 9). John was a stone mason whose age was “rounded-down” to 30. Rose’s age was rounded-down to
25. Both had been born in Ireland. Their four children were Thomas, 6; Jane, 5; Mary, 3 and John, aged 8 months. All the
children had been born in Lancashire.
By 1861, Rosehana (sic) was a widow (RG9/3136, fol. 49, p. 42). Her age was now given as 62 and she was 3 Back Ann
Street, Preston. Two children were still living at home. They were Catherine, aged 13, and Thomas, who was 11. These two
children were also born in Lancashire.
In each of the three census years between James Ferdinand’s birth and the birth of his first child, Ellen, he was never found to
be living with his parents. Neither was Ellen’s supposed uncle, Daniel Ferdinand, although the source of this possible relation
has not been clarified in earlier research on the Ferdinand family1.
John Ferdinand and Rosanna Quinn were both born in Ireland. It is possible that they met and married there. No marriage can
be found for them in England and Wales, although the ages of their children suggest that they probably married before the start
of civil registration in 1837. No record of the marriage has been found in the IGI or BVRI in any part of the British Isles.
Neither could any baptism be found in these two indexes for John or James Ferdinand or Rosanna/Rose Quinn.
In order to attempt to localise the occurrence of the Ferdinand surname in Ireland, and therefore also perhaps speculate where
in Ireland Rosanna may have originated, a listing was made of all Ferdinand deaths in the indexes to Irish deaths, from the
beginning of registration there in 1864 to 1879. The Ferdinand family were settled in Lancashire well before 1864 but it is
possible that members of a previous generation may shed light on their geographic origins.
Films of the Irish BMD indexes are held at the LDS Family History Centre in London and they also have films of periods of
the actual certificates, mainly births. They also have the death certificates to 1870.
Date
Name
Age
District
Ref
1864
1873
Sep 1879
Martin Ferdinand
Mary Ferdinand
Edward Ferdinand
0
48
0
Galway
Galway
Mallow
19/163
19/166
5/316
The image of the death of Martin was available to view (film 0101626). This was the death of the child whose birth, as the
child of Louis Lawrence Ferdinand and Mary Doherty, had already found. The family lived at Egre Square, Galway, and the
child’s father, Lewis S. Ferdinand, who was also the informant of the death, was the editor of a newspaper. His son had lived
for just 12 hours. The Mary Ferdinand, who died in 1873, was probably the child’s mother.
The birth of another child was found in the IGI. Bridget Mary Joseph Ferdinand was born on the 18th May 1876 in Galway.
Her parents were Lewis Lawrence Ferdinand and Kate Ferdinand Webb. It appears that Lewis remarried after the death of
Mary. This second marriage does not appear in the IGI or BVRI and images of Irish marriage certificates are only available at
the LDS Family History Centre up to 1870.
Amazingly, no incidence of the Ferdinand surname occurs in Griffith’s Valuation for any county of Ireland.
1
See: Gregory, M.P., (2007), “The Ferdinand Family”, Personal Family History Report.
1
The FamilySearch website has a pilot called Record Search, which includes many newly-indexed records from sources
worldwide. There are many Irish records but the information appears to be incomplete and the site is currently quite difficult to
use efficiently. It was possible to find the marriage of a James Ferdinand in Loughrea, Galway, using this pilot (1875 14/177).
It is not currently possible to search the site to discover who his bride might have been. In any event, the marriage took place
too late for it to relate to Michael Gregory’s ancestor whose children were born in the 1860s. It merely serves to reinforce the
suggestion that there was at least a few people called Ferdinand in Co. Galway in the 1860s and 1870s.
John Ferdinand must have died between 1841 and 1861. He was alive when the 1841 census was taken but his wife was a
widow in 1861. Rose described herself as a married woman in 1851 but it has not been possible to locate John at that time. An
extraction of all deaths of men called John Ferdinand between 1841 and 1861, using FreeBMD, produced the following:
Dec 1852
Mar 1857
Jun 1857
Mar 1860
Mar 1861
Shoreditch
Bradford
Chelsea
Preston
Blackburn
1c 134
9b 18
1a 89
8e 356
8e 236
(John Thomas)
(John Thomas)
None of these would be an obvious candidate for Michael Gregory’s ancestor.
It has not been possible to find James and Mary Ferdinand, or either of their children, Ellen and James, in 1871 or 1881.
Neither has it been possible to discover the whereabouts of Mary in 1891.
Report dated: 19 November 2009
2
The Quinn and McGloughlin Families
John Ferdinand
Stonemason
b. ca 1806-11
Ireland
d. by 1861
James Ferdinand
Cotton spinner
b. ca 1830-40
d. by 1901
Thomas Caffrey
b. 1 Feb, 1865
Cotton piecer
21 Mosley St,
Blackburn (1887)
Cotton mill engine
Tenter (1915)
d. 1935 (Blackburn)
=
=
Thomas Edward Caffrey
b. 15 July 1891 (Livesey,
Blackburn)
Private 1st/4th East
Lanc’s Regt
(cotton spinner) of 44,
John St, Blackburn
(1915)
Cotton mule spinner
Of 77, Daisy Lane,
Blackburn (1934)
d. 1971 (Blackburn)
=
Rosanna Quinn
washerwoman
b. ca 1806-11
Ireland
d. 16 May 1867
Blackburn (aged 56)
Mary McGloughlin
b. 1849/50
Ireland
d. 21 Aug 1907
Blackburn
(aged 57)
Ellen Ferdinand
b. ca 1863-7
(Blackburn)
m. 10 Apr 1887 at
St Mary’s RC,
See Ferdinand Family
Blackburn
History Report
Cotton rover of 30 Infirmary
St., Blackburn
= Elizabeth Ashworth
dau of Richard Ashworth
b. 1893 (Blackpool)
m. 20 Nov 1915
St Alban’s RC
(Blackburn)
Cotton spinner of
40, John St, Blackburn
(1915)
See Ashworth, Bond & Beck
Family History Report
Malcolm Peter Gregory = Bernadette Caffrey
b. 1935
b. 13 Apr 1934
(Blackburn)
m. 21 Jul 1956
St Peter RC
Blackburn
Cotton doffer of
12, Beaumaris Avenue,
Blackburn (1956)
d. 2001 (Blackburn
Michael Peter Gregory
b.1957 (Blackburn)
See Caffrey Family History Report
See Gregory Family
History Report
And Genealogy
Chart No 2
3
Esther Leslie: 3rd Cousin Hourglass tree
Hourglass Tree of Esther Leslie
John
Caffrey
1815 -
Unknown
Unknown
John
Taylor
1813 -
Thomas
Caffrey
1834 -
Michael
Leslie
1874 -
Hannah
Bramley
1814 -
Margaret
Taylor
1834 - 1878
Margaret Ann
Caffrey
1873 -
James
Fishwick
1867 -
Thomas
Leslie
1896 -
Mary Ann
Shorrock
1867 -
Esther
Fishwick
1896 - 1966
Thomas
Leslie
1929 - 1998
Margaret
Mawson
1932 -
Esther
Leslie
1966 -
Gordon
Steel
1960 -
4