1 ROUGHLY EDITED COPY ALL RIGHTS RESERVED University of Illinois at Chicago UIC Forum Not in my Class(room): Race, Disability, and the Dilemmas of Difference February 14, 2013 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY: Dillon Reporting Service 77 W. Washington Street Suite 718 Chicago, IL 60602 * * * * * DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 2 >> FRANCESCA GAIBA: Welcome, everybody. We'll be starting soon. They're bringing more chairs, thank you, to the staff of the forum. If there is an empty seat next to you, maybe you want to wave so that other people can see that there's seats available. Maybe you can scoot in towards the center so it makes it easy for the late comers to find a seat. And don't hurry people at the buffet. Take your time. Welcome, everybody, and thank you for coming to this event. It's called Not in My Classroom: Race, Disability, and the Dilemmas of Difference. My name is Francesca Gaiba, and I am the Associate Director for Research at the Institute for Research on Race and Public Policy. I coordinate IRRPP's Race And series, an intersectional series that this year focuses on race and disability. This series is meant to help us reflect on the intersections of race, ethnicity, disability, education, class, and other identity markers that are sometimes markers of oppression and discrimination, but are also the source of our beauty, strength, and humanity. When we think of identity intersections, we recognize that some people carry on their body multiple markers of beauty and oppression. For example, people of color with disabilities, immigrants with mental health needs, developmentally disabled youth in prison, we are people who are non-native speakers of English. However, the series is also especially meant to help us reflect on another meaning of intersectionality. As we fight for social justice, how do we widen our vision and consider how our struggle for our own very important goal affect other oppressed groups? Or more vulnerable people within our own community? For example, as we fight for racial justice, we need to consider how our critique of the disproportionate number of students of color in special education, which is the discussion we're having today here, affects the lives and opportunities of students who need the services and support. How do we have this conversation without discounting and undermining the work of disability rights activists of the past decades but rather support and extend that work? And as advocates for disability rights, we need to consider how special education placement affects the lives and educational outcomes of African American and Latino/Latina students in particular. How our work for disability rights and for special education can be used and twisted to create a form of present day segregation in schools. In summary, as we work for social justice, how do we rise up together? Because what is the gain in rising up when we push other people down in the process? To have a complex answer to the simple questions, IRRPP has invited today's speakers who I'm honored to introduce, Alfredo Artiles is the Ryan C Harris Memorial Endowed Professor of Special Education at Arizona State University. He co-directs the equity alliance at ASU. His interdisciplinary work examines the consequences of educational inequalities related to the intersections of disability, race, social class, gender, and language. He uses the insights gained from these analyses to advance policies, personnel preparation programs, and educational systems that enhance the well-being and educational opportunities of multi-cultural communities. He's the coeditor of the book series Disability, Culture and Empathy. Dr. Artiles served as Vice President of the American Educational Research Association. He's an AERA fellow, a Spencer Foundation Fellow and a resident fellow at the Center for the Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences at Stanford. Dr. Artiles has been an adviser to the civil rights projects at Harvard University and UCLA, the National Academy of Education, the Council for Exceptional Children, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation and numerous projects housed at universities in the U.S., Europe, and Latin America. In 2011, Dr. Artiles was appointed to President Obama's Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for Hispanics. Welcome to DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 3 Chicago, Dr. Artiles. (Applause.) Nirmala is Professor of Social Foundations of Education and Instructional Leadership at the University of Alabama. Her academic interests are in disability studies, post-colonial and third world feminist theory, sociology of education, critical race theory and multi-cultural education. She has published several articles and journals such as Educational Theory, Journal of Curriculum Studies, American Educational Research Journal, Educational Researcher, Disability and Society, and Studies in Philosophy and Education. Her book, Disability and Difference in Global Context towards a Transformative Body Politic was published in 2011. Dr. Erevelles was the guest speaker yesterday at the first annual award of the Carlos Dresen Memorial Scholarship in the Department of Disability and human development at UIC. This scholarship was established by the Farkas Family Foundation to honor the memory, vision, and passion of Carlos Dresen. It was established to support educational opportunities for graduate students interested in the intersection in race and disability. If you would like to contribute to the scholarship fund, there are envelopes at the front desk. Welcome to Chicago, Dr. Erevelles. Their remarks will be preceded and introduced by Federico Waitoller, Assistant Professor in Special Education at UIC. Dr. Waitoller’s research agenda focuses on two topics related to collusion of culturally and especially diverse education students, one, the development and implementation of inclusive education policies, practices, and tools, and two teacher learning for inclusive education. Dr. Waitoller is currently working on a research project that examines the impact of Chicago's current educational reforms, for example, charter schools and accountability, on culturally and linguistically diverse special education students. He has published work in national and international journals and edited volumes, and he is the coeditor of inclusive education, examining equity in five continents. He belongs to the editorial panel of the International Journal of Education and the International Journal of Home Schooling. Dr. Waitoller also was honored with the American Educational Resource Association minority dissertation fellowship and most recently with the Faculty Fellowship from the Institute for Research on Race and Public Policy. Thank you, Federico, for being here. (Applause.) The speakers will present until around 4:30, after which we will have time for questions from all of you until 5:00 p.m. Feel free to eat and drink during this event. We do not want you to be hungry and restless, waiting for the event to end so you can get some food. I'm also happy to let you know that there are gender neutral bathrooms in this building. I have been involved on a campus campaign to advocate for more gender neutral bathrooms, which are safer for transgender people. IRRPP would like to thank today's co-sponsors, the College of Education, the Learning Sciences Research Institute, the Department of Disability and Human Development, and the Disability Resource Center, who is providing sign interpreting and captioning. And thank you, also, to our personnel. I personally would like to recognize the work of faculty who have advised and helped this series: Liat Ben-Moshe is here and Federico Waitoller as well as the faculty who served for the last two years also, for the Race and Sexuality series, Lorena Garcia, Alicia Phoenix Matthews, and Guise E. Ready. I finally thank our dedicated staff in IRRPP, Ryan Viloria, Delaina Washington and Zach Jensen, who make organizing our programs all the more possible and also enjoyable. Please join me in welcoming our speakers to campus. DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 4 (Applause.) >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: Hello and welcome and thank you for coming tonight in this romantic evening of St. Valentine's. I'm assuming some of you brought your date here. If you did, I would reevaluate your sense of romanticism. This is very poor judgment. The topic for today, my goal for today is going to be to pave the way for Alfredo Artiles and Nirmala Erevelles talk and I am going to try to introduce the talk and contextualize it within the Chicago context and I'm going to be referring to this topic as the miner's canary, and I'm using this metaphor to indicate that this proportional presentation to students does not just indicate a problem to minority students but actually signals and warrants us about larger inequities that are happening in the educational system and continue to happen across history. So my agenda for today is very short. I want to provide a definition, what we mean by disproportional representation of minority students. I want to show some local and also global trends because it's not just an issue that happens in the United States. And also just to place some future research questions for us Chicagoans. So let's start with the definition of what we mean by disproportional representation. Usually we mean that unequal proportions of culturally diverse students in special education programs that usually involves two patterns associated with this. One is underrepresentation. Another one is overrepresentation. If we translate this paragraph to more simple words, we can say that there are certain groups of students are represented in disproportionate large or small numbers compared to other groups of students. So for example, African Americans will be disproportionately represented as disproportionately large numbers compared to whites in disability categories, and we'll get to that at one point, in a minute. And I'm going to be focusing mostly this talk on overrepresentation, so that would mean disproportionately large number of minority students. And overrepresentation tends to be in what we call the high incidence disabilities. These disabilities are also more subjective categories. Why they're called subjective is because usually they don't have -- they don't show physical signs of disability and they're also identified as professional judgments in schools. These disabilities include emotional disturbance, intellectual disabilities, other health impairments, specific learning disabilities, and speech language impairment. What's very important to know about this group of disabilities is that they compromise 90 percent of entire enrollment of special education; they encompass the largest percentage of special education students. Now, what is very interesting about trends when you look just locally within districts is that geography plays a huge role on identification patterns, and I want to show this. So what I'm going to be showing you is relative race ratios, and basically their relative race ratios is the likelihood of a student from one racial group to identify with one particular disability category compared to another group or another racial group. Usually the group is whites, the dominant groups, sometimes it's all students in the entire population. So you're going to be seeing these race relations, I will translate those for you. So if we see at the national level, if we aggregate all the data from districts and from states and from schools, on one body of data, what we found is that African Americans are twice as likely, the number two there in parentheses indicates that, to identify with emotional disturbance of white students. Intellectual disability categories, African Americans were more than 2.7 percent likely to identify with intellectual disabilities and 1.5 more likely to be identified with specific learning disabilities of SLD. But at the DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 5 national level, African Americans are not the only ones overrepresented. We also find that Native Americans are overrepresented in certain special education categories. 1.7 more times likely than white students to be identified with emotional disturbance, 1.6 for intellectual disabilities and twice as likely to identify as specific learning disabilities compared to white students. So what gets interesting in this analysis is when you start noticing the difference between a state level analysis and national level analysis circumstances so the national level data may show something and you may find very different patterns at state and district. So let's look at the context of our lovely State of Illinois. In Arizona, African Americans are also overrepresented across the category of intellectual disabilities. What you see there, is MID and MOID and SID are different levels of spectrum of intellectual disabilities, mildly moderate, and the last one is severe. And you'll see but mostly in the mild intellectual disabilities studies in the most subjective category. But note that they are overrepresented across the emotional disturbance category as they were at the national level. Similar happened with Native Americans who are overrepresented in the severe intellectual disability, twice as likely that one student would be identified in this category and the specific learning disability as well. But note again that Native Americans are not overrepresented in the emotional disturbance category in Arizona. Now, where it gets interesting in Arizona is that Arizona is a state that has a large Latino population and also a large English language population. So when we look at data in Arizona, we also found that English language learners are overrepresented in special education categories. They are 1.8 times more likely to be identified with a specific learning disability than white students and 1.6 times likely to identify with disability, mild intellectual disabilities than white students. So the difference between the state and national levels. And when you go to Illinois, you also see some interesting trends. You see that African Americans in Illinois are 1.8 times more likely than white students to identify with emotional disturbance, but when you look at intellectual disability categories, there are more than 2.5 times more likely than white students to be identified in this particular category. What is interesting in Illinois, what I'm going to show you in a second, is that we start seeing that there's white students overrepresented in special education categories, but in very specific disability categories. This is white students compared to all students in population, and we see that white students are overrepresented in other health impairments and speech and language. And think about this and think for a minute about the difference between identified as emotional disturbance or as being identified as other health impairments. And I keep thinking about that and I will get this back when I get to the data from Chicago. In this case, even more interesting, when we look at overrepresentation in other countries. In Germany, when you look at the schools for learning difficulties, immigrants are overrepresented in schools, Serbian students are 6 times more likely than white German students to be identified with learning difficulties, Italians almost 3 times more likely and Turkish twice as likely as German students. But it's not just Germany. We can look at England, LD meaning learning difficulties, and BESD meaning behavioral, emotional, and social difficulties. Students from Irish heritage and gypsy-Roman are more than three times likely to be identified with learning difficulties that white British students. In the following category we see a representation also in students from Irish heritage and gypsy Romans but also we'll see an over representation of black Caribbeans in the category of behavioral and emotional social difficulties which is interesting as we start drawing some parallels in the U.S. with students from African background being DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 6 overrepresented in categories that have to do with categories of behavior. Now this stigma, I don't have time to touch up on this, but we can say Australia also has an overrepresentation for teachers, students, and for students that speak other languages than English. In Sweden we also see an overrepresentation of immigrant students and in Austria we also see an overrepresentation of immigrant students, in particular for gypsy-Roman students. So geography plays a great place. But what's interesting about this is all these countries have something in common and also in common with the U.S. These are countries with long history of special education services, especially with well-established institutions and also these countries are dealing with immigration issues as well as the U.S. So what about Chicago? As you see, I'm practicing my pronunciation of Chicago. Chicago. So what about Chicago? So I say that the minority students are -- we tend to compare them to white students. But what happened in Chicago? Chicago is I think has a unique complex if you compare it to the national level or even compare it to the whole State of Illinois. The large majority of students in Chicago are African American and Latino; actually whites just compromise 9 percent of the population. We see all these trends also reflected on special education involvement. 49 percent of special education students come from African American background, and 39 come from Latino background. So what I did, I ran some initial analysis from a project that we're doing. I began to compare not just African Americans with whites but also with Latinos and vice versa. So what we found in Chicago, I find different trends, for time purposes I'm just going to be sharing some with you. We found that African Americans when we compare them to white and there you see ID compared to white meaning intellectual disabilities compared to white students and 1.6 times more likely to be identified with intellectual disabilities. Now it gets interesting when you compare that to Latinos because when you compare African Americans with the likelihood of Latino to have intellectual disabilities, that ratio is even higher, is almost twice as likely. But look in the other category of emotional disturbance. When you compare it to white, it is 1.7 times, when you compare it to Latino, they’re 3.5 times more likely to be identified with an emotional disturbance and they're also overrepresented when you look at the whole student population. So I told you a few slides ago to keep thinking about this idea that white students are overrepresented in certain categories. And we'll see here in Chicago that white students are overrepresented in a speech and language compared to Latinos, and they have the same ratio of overrepresentation when you compare it to both students. And when you look at other health impairments, you also see a representation, 2.4 times more likely to identify with Latinos and 2 times more likely to identify with all students. Now, when we need to think about this, as our health impairments what it is that they have uncovered, other health impairments, what we have in common is that both categories, they tend to be referred because of behavior. Most of the students in other health impairments, the large majority are students with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, ADHD. So we can start thinking about some ideas of why this may happen that whites and African Americans have different labels when they both might be identified for behaviors. ADHD, to get a level of ADHD, you need to have a doctor's diagnosis, you cannot be identified in school so maybe certain groups in society, in this case white, may have access to doctors to get that label. Also ADHD comes with some perks because when you take testing, you can take extra time and take it on the side, and these perks usually carry on to university level so it’s a label that some kids might want to have so DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 7 they gain some privilege as they go to university. And of course, the label of emotional disturbance is much more stigmatizing because it doesn't have a biological accounts, or explanation but it's more just because they are acting out. So those are some possible explanations of why maybe white students may be more likely to be identified with other health impairments that African Americans and the difference in those categories. Now, what is very interesting about Chicago, and it was kind of a shock for me coming from Arizona, remember that in Arizona I showed you that English language learners were overrepresented in special education categories. In Chicago we have exactly the same -- the opposite trend. When we look at English language learners in Chicago, we see they are significantly underrepresented across disability categories and compare across other racial groups. The race ratio goes from 0.08 to 0.3. They are very, very small ratios, meaning there's a very, very little likelihood that English language learners are identified with disabilities which raises questions about how those students are being served within CPS. So what we make out of this data, and what kind of questions can we ask in Chicago from this data, the national, state, and district level? So we have a very unique context in Chicago with school closures coming up, the Chicago Tribune announced today that there were 135 schools on the chop board to be cut in Chicago. The increase enrollment in charter schools and the increased openings of charter schools. So I think that that poses a very interesting context to look at issues of identification of placement of special education students. So for example, how do school closures shape in special education identification and placement, identification meaning who gets identified and placement meaning mostly about the level of restrictiveness that they're placing. In a general education class most of the time it's self-contained or in a separate school. How does the advancement of charter schools shape special education identification and placement patterns? As schools close and others are open, how the movement of special education students may change these patterns and how patterns of identification may change also as we cross neighborhood boundaries and also across the schools. How and where are ELLs with disabilities served at CPS? What is the relationship between identification and placement patterns, measures of school quality, and neighborhood variables? We talk about a topic of geography plays a huge role in identification in placement pattern so in Chicago we have geographies, not a homogeneous as we all know here. There are huge disparities across neighborhoods and there's huge demographic change across too. So identification of placement patterns may change according to that as well. And how do special education identification and placement patterns vary across neighborhoods, charter, and magnet schools? So because we think that geography is so important on identifying these issues, we think we and our colleagues-- actually just released the word, beginning to think how to map -- to use special maps to identify these trends. And this is not our map -- this is just an example, an example from the National Center of Culturally Responsive Education Systems, the center there Alfredo Artiles used to be the PI, and I actually used to work here actually, and this just gives an idea of how we start to seeing these trends and in this case it's looking at issues of poverty and overrepresentation, what you see there is the black dots indicates -- the darkest dot is the higher level of poverty in those schools, and what you see, the red areas is where you find moreover representation. This map is from 2006 and we're trying to actualize with this with different technology as well. But just as an example, just to let you know, for example, that poverty is not a very good predictor for identification patterns. And this, the job DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 8 that we're trying to engage, trying to answer those questions, see how those questions change across first time and across geographical areas. And that's it for me. And I'm very honored to present the next speaker, Nirmala. (Applause.) And we'll take questions at the end of the three speakers. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: Hello. Can you hear me? I first wanted to thank the Institute for Race and Policy Studies and Disability and Human Development for hosting myself and my eight-year-old daughter here today for the last three days, and I thank Chicago for the good weather, relatively, because I'm from Alabama. And thank all of you for being here and coming today for the talk. I also wanted to -- I wanted to say that the impetus for this paper was influenced a lot by the work of Liat-Ben Moshe, who is here today, and her work on disability and a lot of that informs this paper and I just wanted a caveat, when I'm going to be using the word “black” often in the text, and when I'm using the word black, I'm not using it in a very particular sense but I'm using it in a broader sense to represent people of color for the most part so that it applies to actually most people of color but particularly African American and Latino youth. The title of my paper is Cripping Jim Crow, Disability, Dislocation, and the School Prison by Plan. I'm going to read, I'm going to try to read slowly and I don't have pretty pictures. My daughter told me to read with expression so I'm going to try hard. The central focus of this presentation is the removal of marked bodies from public generative spaces such as schools, to restrictive spaces of isolation, violence, and shame, such as prisons. I argue that there is an urgency to foreground a much more complex analyses of these removers that have brutal consequences not only for those removed but also for the possibility of imagining a more inclusive radical transformational politics. The title Crimping Jim Crow references the historical practice of legalized removal via separation that was extended to an entire society based on the social category of race as theorized in contemporary analyses in critical race theory, and which I now bring to bear on a more recent analytic crimping from a relatively younger field of critical disability studies. Crimping according to disability studies scholar Robert McClure, refers in part to critical, analytical practices that explore, and I quote, “how conscious of ability and disability are conceived, materialized, spatialized, and populated within geographies of uneven development and are mapped on to bodies marked by differences of race, class, gender, and ability,” unquote. In referencing the term cripping, McClure in passing also marks its coincidental association with the street gang Crips who often become disabled as a result of gang violence and who are often also confined to incarcerated spaces like prisons. As such, the title Cripping Jim Crow marks the transhistorical confluence of the legacy of plantation slavery and Jim Crow, with the more contemporary violence of mass incarceration, to foreground a complex intersectional politics of race, class, and disability where incarcerated bodies become profitable commodities in the neoliberal prison industrial complex of late capitalism. I want to assert categorically here that I am not just bringing race and disability together in an analytical marriage of convenience, nor am I making an argument that racial oppression is like disability oppression and vice versa. Rather, I argue that becoming disabled or coming out crip is a historical event with different implications for different bodies that foreground almost simultaneously the painful antagonisms and promising alliances that emerge out of these historical continuities and discontinuities of removals, segregation and incarceration. More specifically the locus of this paper is public schooling. That much celebrated space where children are presumably nurtured DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 9 into productive and accomplished young adults, ripe with the promise of our collective futures. But this presentation, once it crosses the threshold of the schoolhouse door, rather than tripping likely to what's a rosy optimism takes a dismal turn to follow a more brutal trajectory, the school to prison pipeline, that foregrounds what La Paperson has called the dirty politics of schooling. Describes the school to prison pipeline as a multi-dimensional process that funnels large numbers of minority students from the classroom into the adult prison system. In foregrounding this trajectory, I map out the problematic continuities between mass schooling and mass incarceration where one subset of students located at the complex intersection of race, class, and disability find themselves as social outlaws for almost the entire span of their lives in school and thereafter. Here I invoke the school to prison pipeline not merely to refer to the education and social justice systems but also to a complex network of laws, rules, and policies, supported by the exploitative political economy of late capitalism that Michelle Alexander has called the new Jim Crow. Though much is being written about the politics of race, class, and gender in the context of mass incarceration, disability has been rarely mentioned in these analyses, except for a few exceptions. One such exception is Liat-Ben Moshe's scholarship, where she points out that discussions relating to mass incarceration seldom include institutions for people with intellectual disabilities or psychiatric hospitals. Ben-Moshe, however, is careful not to conflate the prison and the asylum together and in doing so points to their contrary differences. The prison, though punitive in nature nevertheless has protection in place like due process and sentencing limits. However imperfect they may be and they are imperfect. On the other hand, the asylum while reportedly for rehabilitative care is involved in the involuntary confinement of its inmates, justified by a medical diagnosis that includes an indefinite time of confinement, often accompanied by painful treatments, such as extended periods of isolation, physical restraints, and electric shock therapy. None of this with the inmate's consent. Moreover, even after the spate of deinstitutionalizations that began in the mid-1950s and closed down mammoth sized institutions and hospitals, the smaller community living arrangements that have replaced the large institution continue to warehouse their disabled clients and are now in isolated communities. Interestingly enough, many of these former institutions have now been reopened as prisons. Inadvertently reaffirming the painful relationship between institutionalized rehabilitative care and mass incarceration. One of the reasons disability is seldom mentioned in critical discussions of mass incarceration is that there is an implicit assumption that such confinements are medically necessary for people with intellectual and psychiatry disabilities. In fact, the two recent mass killings that have occurred in the U.S. in 2012; the shooting deaths of 12 people in Aurora, Colorado movie theater by the 24-year-old James Holmes, and the shooting deaths of 20 children and eight adults that included the shooter, 21-year-old Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut has resurrected a heated public discussion on dangerous stereotypical representations of people diagnosed with mental disabilities. Margaret Price in her book Mad at School describes similar representations of the undergraduate student, Seung-Hui Cho who killed 13 people at Virginia Tech University in 2007 and Steve Casmir Sack who killed 6 people at Northern Illinois University in 2008. While the media down played the fact that at least three of these shooters were young, white men with easy access to assault rifles, much was made of the allegation that all four men were presumably diagnosed with a mental illness and disability. Price insightfully points out that in each of these public discourses DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 10 surrounding the mass killings, mental illness and disability appears at the dividing line, the fear some other, that sign of deviance that separates the killers from us. Disabled people well know the harbors of associating disability with a dangerous pathology. For example, the deployment of the medical model of disability has justified the continued segregation, removal, and incarceration of disabled people to special education classrooms, alternative schools, asylums, and segregated residential institutions. Similarly, people of color are also painfully aware of these harbors through their own experience of segregation, removal and incarceration, we are the middle passage, slavery, lynchings, Jim Crow, reservations, barriers, urban ghettos, segregated schools, voting schools, and ultimately the prison-industrial complex. But even at this moment of shared experience, I want to mark the very rare painful antagonisms that keep disrupting a possible easy alliance, as we carefully sort through the problematic relationships unearthed in our analysis of criminality, danger, disability, class, and race. In our top working book, the New Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander describes how the relentless focus of the war on drugs by the U.S. criminal justice system disproportionately targets underprivileged poorly educated African American and Latino youth who are basically warehoused in prison and who are then released to face lifelong discrimination, elimination from duties, and other roles and even disqualification from food stamps, public housing, and student loans. Relegated to the margins of mainstream society, Alexander argues that this new racial undercst now occupies a political and social space not unlike Jim Crow, the legalized cause system that emerged in the southern United States post reconstruction, but that is now justified in race neutral terms. While Alexander claims that this group is defined largely by race, I argue that this group is defined at the crucial intersection of race, class, and disability. Interestingly, Alexander almost intuitively gestures towards such an analysis when she writes that, and I quote, "The degraded status of Africans was justified on the grounds that Negros, like the Indians, were an uncivilized lesser race. Perhaps even more lacking in intelligence and laudable human qualities than the red skinned natives, unquote". Here, Alexander seems unaware of the constitutive relationship of race and disability where racialized bodies become disabled and disabled bodies become racialized within the specific historical conditions of the burgeoning capitalism. Alexander in marking parallels between Jim Crow and rights and I quote "What it means to be a criminal in our collective consciousness has been conflated with what it means to be black. For black youth, the experience of being made black often begins with the first police stop, interrogation, search, or arrest. The experience carries social meaning. This is what it means to be black. For the social -- for the racial caste system to succeed, black people must be labeled criminals before they are formally subject to control. That black youth must be made, labeled criminals. This process of being made a criminal is to a large extent the process of becoming black. What Alexander misses in her analysis is that disability serves as the master trope of human disqualification. And as deployed to give oppressive credence to the flawed equation that criminal equals bad youth. Here remapping the historical continuities between -- with earlier times, the simultaneous process of becoming black and becoming disabled describe uncritically as a natural deviance, full grounds a context of racial politics of race, class, and disability that is used to justify the incarceration of outlaw bodies that eventually become profitable commodities in the neoliberal prison industrial complex of late capitalism. Further, the historical continuities between Jim Crow, the ugly laws and the contemporary context of mass incarceration mirror in many ways eugenic ideologies that imagine -- and here I'm DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 11 quoting Richilin Schneider, “a uniquely modern utopian fantasy of a future world uncontaminated by defective bodies, either disabled, racialized, and/or both at the same time,” unquote. According to McRuer, compulsory able-bodiedness as an organizing practice questions the order of things, considering how and why it is constructed and naturalized, how it is embedded in complex economic, social and cultural relations and how it might be changed. It is the practice of compulsory able-bodiedness that requires disabled people's assimilation via special education, rehabilitation, and assistive technology. Their removal via segregation, institutionalization and incarceration, or their complete annihilation, via Euthanasia and the abortion of disabled fetuses. Compulsory able-bodiedness as a practice of dislocation is the cornerstone of the ghetto, both hypervisible and invisible in its workings. For example, La Paperson argues that the ghetto is not where the black people live but rather where blackness is contained. Here compulsory able-bodiedness controls the boundaries of a ghetto to maintain this racial isolation, such that the ghetto becomes the excess of white pure space. That which is left over, the matter out of place. Here liberal discourse is point to the racial and economic isolation in the ghetto as nurturing a culture of poverty, a natural state of hopelessness. This is contrasted with the place of universal rights that exists outside the ghetto where racial and normal enlightened subjects apparently exist. The ghetto is also imagined as a zone of violence, even though violence occurs, not because of what happens in the ghetto, but rather because of what is done to the ghetto and its inhabitants. Moreover because of its fear and pathology there is always the move to destroy the ghetto, and I think you have a lot of that in Chicago right now with the rediscripting and moving, to always shift its inhabitants someplace else, such that it becomes a place that is always open for continuous dispersal of going nowhere for good. Thus, the ghetto is not just a space but a portable status that can be cast unto bodies, some are temporarily and selectively branded, others inescapably so, such that if mapped, it would be a map of absences of what used to be there or perhaps a map of the condemned. And this is all I'm actually quoting a lot of La Paperson’s work. In La Paperson’s vivid conceptualization of the ghetto, disability is both hyper visible and yet invisible in its reappearances and disappearances depending upon the capricious practices of compulsory able-bodiedness. At one moment it shows its hand in the social construction of dangerous and depraved pathology. That is here in disability, assigned to underprivileged bodies of colors, race and class, located within the exploitative political economy of late capitalism. On another hand, it disappears into obfuscating discourses that represent this pathology as described as these race and class bodies as innate and unnatural. In either case the dislocated context of post-colonial ghetto ultimately results in foregrounding a map of the condemned inhabited by bodies at the intersection of race, class, and disability, branded, temporarily or permanently as so dangerously criminal as to require expulsion and/or incarceration. In this way compulsory able-bodiedness has dislocating practice groups the post-colonial ghetto. It is not a difficult stretch to see how self-contained special education classrooms and alternative schools in U.S. public education serve as post-colonial ghettos. Here definitions of disability as intransigent pathology are used to justify segregation along the axes of race and class under the questionable guise of special education and rehabilitation. Claiming and/or passing as normal while maintaining a distance from the real inhabitancy of disability is amply rewarded in the educational context. But simply we must try really hard not to be like them. To all those who cannot pass for normal, they always as DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 12 quarantined, the condition of temporary and forced isolation, as in the alternative school, where students who were deemed at risk for school failure are forced to attend. I wish to point out here that becoming black and becoming disabled are material constructs shaped by the political economy of educational opportunity and social segregation that frame the lives of those students on the fast track to the school to prison pipeline. The harsh reality is that most of these low income students of color are caught in what Fine and Ruggles have referred to as circuits of dispossession fueled by economic practices that systematically funnel public education funding to private enterprises, swell the profits of testing companies, private vendors, textbook publisher professionals, increase the police and school and military recruitment budgets. As a result, low income youth of color slowly disappear from educational spaces that could offer them an alternative to the numbing promise of lifelong incarceration. This sorting process is further exacerbated by housing policies that ghettoize those perceived as deviant, rampant racial and class segregation in public education fueled by regressive economic policies of school funding through property taxes and through the pedagogical practices of tracking that disproportionately place minority students in the underachieving schools and classrooms and you saw that in the data right now. Most significantly these low income students -- low income schools are also organized via a prison like atmosphere with little motivation to build and sustain relationships among students and their peers or between students and teachers or school staff, all of which are becoming secondary to budget line items assigned for the management of black and brown bodies. I have argued elsewhere that becoming disabled is a historical event mediated via political economy of the social. This is also true in schools. Steel and Aronson have argued that low income students of color wrestle with the historically direct trends of being viewed as innately deviant and constantly live in the fear of doing something that would inadvertently confirm that stereotype. They call it stereotype threat. In the specific context of zero tolerance policies and its associative practices, the very act of surveillance serves as a physical representation of a threat, whether or not students are actively conscious fit, and contrary to popular belief, the threat of constant surveillance does very little to reform the soul on normalized conduct. Rather it has led to increase raids, confiscation of student property, interrogations, zero tolerance suspensions and ultimately juvenile detention centers and prison. Additionally many incarcerated juveniles are often diagnosed with questionable labels, such as destructive behavioral disorders, substance abuse disorders, schizophrenia psychosis, and self-injurious behavior. Conservative estimates claim that about 10 percent of juvenile detainees have recently thought about suicide with 10 percent having attempted suicide over their lifetime. Moreover as many as 79 percent of juveniles labeled as mentally ill are thought to meet the criteria of multiple disorders, with 60 percent believed to be displaying symptoms of three or more disorders. Most of these children receive little or no intervention with a likelihood of treatment increasing if the juvenile was a non-Hispanic, white younger detainee, processed as a juvenile rather than an adult and with a past history of treatment. In a case study of the New Orleans schools, it was reported that both pre and post Katrina students of color with disabilities lack resources for intervention programs that should have been illegal under IDEA, which is the Act for Students with Disabilities in School. I want to note here that members of the psychiatry survivor movement have protested excessive control -- the excessive control of medical practitioners -- that many practitioners have on the lives of people DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 13 diagnosed mentally ill and have argued that many of the treatments used have deprived them of the autonomy, respect, and human rights. This perspective, however, gets complicated when brought to bear those living at the intersection of race, class, and disability. Thus, for example, Anna Model’s insightful analysis of Meri Nana-Ama Danguah’s memoir, Willow Weep for Me, foregrounds how this memoir complicates disabled people’s critiques of the psychiatric model of mental illness because for African American women with depression, the problem does not lie in the involuntary administration of questionable treatments, but the lack of access to any form of treatment at all. In school context McWilliams and Fancher point out that the failure to evaluate for disabilities while in school contributes to a demonstrated racial suspension gap that negatively impacts communities of color. They describe what they call a manifestation review where a team of school officials are required to decide A, whether the contact in question was caused by or had a direct substantial relationship to the child's disability, or that the conduct in question was a direct result of the school's failure to implement the individualized education plan. McWilliams and Fancher report that in affluent school districts, black students, often poor, are denied the support that an individual behavior plan can provide because the predominantly white administration assumes these students are choosing to act out. The matter is further complicated by the tendency of teachers and school officials to define disruptive white youth as a need of medical intervention, rather than suspension under zero tolerance policies. This occurs in context where social class, insurance coverage, and race are key indicators of who receives treatment and who is disciplined. In this way, it is the reality of political and economic factors that deny low income students of color with disabilities, not only corrective and educational supports but also enables schools to refuse to reinstate students expelled as a result of the zero tolerance policies. As a result, when youth get in trouble and the school refers them to alternative schools or the juvenile criminal system, they experience a kind of civic death where they are unable to fully participate in school processes and also in civic life later on. Low income students of color when labored with a disability are therefore caught in an oppressive yet contradictory logic. Put simply as for the illogic manifestation review, for students of color being labeled a potential super predator, full grant or biological determinism that is absurdly conducted in couched in a language of choice. In other words, he is a natural born killer, and so he chooses to kill. On the other hand, white students assigned with a disability label also foreground the natural deficiency outside the realm of choice, and therefore, worthy of pedagogical and/or other interventions. Clearly as for this logic, coming out Crip in public education has different outcomes for different bodies located at the intersections of race, class, and disability. There is rarely a biological basis for these labels of disability and at risk. It is also generally understood that the assignment of these labels are arbitrary, I would say historical, rooted in the very American grammar that Hortense Spillers, a literary theorist, writes in her essay, Mama's Baby, Papa's Maybe. The material consequences of these assignments are horribly damaging. Students move from segregating classrooms to alternative schools to becoming school dropouts to becoming completely alienated from the labor market and the whiter social world and eventually many find themselves in prison. A humiliating passage along school to prison pipeline. This phenomenon reproduces what I call the modern or maybe post-modern version of the middle passage, Jim Crow, that continues the historical tradition of transforming children of color into diseased, damaged, and disabled Negros, and I'm using a quote from DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 14 Spillers, “deemed incurable and otherwise worthless.” Commodities used to feed not only the prison-industrial complex but served up again for consumption via the media, through TV shows like Cops, Oz, and the news. And in another brutal conflation of pleasure and profit. We are -- we have now the production of another social pathology blamed on the violent historical construction of special education student living in the post-colonial ghetto, still bearing the wounds of broken flesh marked by the valiant lashes of history. While on one hand this pathologization is most definitely unwarranted since it presumes that deviance is endemic to black bodies, there is another complication to this argument. Many authors in both education and legal studies have noted that the material conditions of poverty, inferior educational resources and structural racism actually create conditions for both diagnosed and undiagnosed learning disabilities and emotional challenges in mental illness. Failure to be identified with these disabilities prevents these students from gaining access to services, resources, and supports that would enable them to tentatively travel through a very treacherous terrain of schooling. It should also be noted also that these learning disabilities and emotional challenges and mental illnesses are not the sole purview of low income youth of color. And while almost all students with disabilities have experienced navigating the special education system in public education as a nightmare, those from upper-middle class families have avoided the one way road to lifelong incarceration, as a result of ardent advocacy and access to outside resources and sometimes just simple class privileges. I'm ending it in four seconds. I wanted to end by shifting from a pace of alienation to a more promising reimagining of community. The possibility of a radical coalition politics for transformative practices can only happen if we are open to the complex understandings of the embodied experiences of disability. In a continuum from the most desirable way of being in the way of being in the world, a radical crip politics, to the most sobering reality of how it can be experienced in very painful and terrible ways. The difference lies not just in discursive meanings of race and disability per se but in the historical context in which it is manifested and it is in our relentless focus on those historical, social and political conditions that may enable us to move towards more transformative practices. Thank you. (Applause.) >> ALFREDO ARTILLES: Good afternoon. I'm freezing. I don't know if it's the room temperature or what, but I guess on a day like this, it's appropriate to share with you that it's 72 degrees in Phoenix. That's how much I love UIC. (Laughter). Thank you, Nirmala for your thought provoking paper and Federico for contextualizing this topic. I'm thrilled to be back at UIC. I have many friends at this campus for the last 20 years and I look forward to making new ones today. I also want to express my gratitude to Drs. Richie and Gaiba and her colleagues at the Institute for the invitation to share my ongoing work as part of the IRRPP's Race and Disability Series, and of course, I'm grateful to the UIC Learning Sciences Research Institute, the College of Education, the Disability Resource Center and the Department of Disability and Human Development for the support that they provided in organizing this and making it happen. I'm grateful for this opportunity to share this work that is still in progress. The complexities and consequences of difference for educational opportunity. I focus this lecture on the entanglements of race and disability. Each of these notions have complicated and politically charged histories. I'm going to try to keep this here. Followed in Stiker, I'm interested in looking for the social and cultural ways of viewing and of dealing with what we so imprecisely call disability. I'm also interested in grappling DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 15 with the notion of race and the problematic ways in which its intersections with disability become visible and invisible across times and spaces. Scholars have shown, for instance, how, quote, disability has always been racialized and how race has been conceived as disability. Often producing multiple consciousnesses in race and disabled subjects. Schweik documented how what she called “ugly laws” had a sizable impact on people with disabilities and regulated who could be where, who will be isolated and excluded, and who will have to be watched, whose comfort mattered. This legal discourse about deviance and disability also recruited race in systematic ways. It is not accidental; Schweik argued that enactment of ugly loss which peaked in the mid-1890s emerged with intensity at the moment of the statutory Jim Crow. It is interesting, however, that despite these recurrent historical convergences, many scholars are deficiently maintained at the divide between race and disability and enforce troubling societies in disabilities. This is indeed a strange case of the simultaneous visibility and invisibility of key dimensions of marginalized groups. For example, Chris Bell explained that many works in African American studies have been framed in ablest terms, read nondisabled. At the same time he concluded that Disability Studies, which is concerned with a social critique of disabilities, quote, "While not wholeheartedly excluding people of color from its critique, while by and large focuses on white individuals and is itself produced by a corps of white scholars and activists" end of quote. Similarly, my colleagues and I found a profound silence about race in research based on the medical model of disabilities. More recently narratives of citizenship, particularly in developed nations, are advancing a discourse grounded in assumptions about ability. Ben Habib explained that citizenship is defined by whether individuals show themselves to be worthy of membership in civil society through the exercise of certain abilities. These abilities include, among others, minimal knowledge of the language of the host country, civil knowledge of laws, and governmental forms, and economic sustainability through either independent wealth or employable talents and skills. There is evidence this ablest discourse of citizenship is increasingly racialized in nations such as the U.S. and Western European countries and some of that evidence was summarized earlier with Federico’s presentation. These tropes of racial and ability difference constitute what Baker termed outlaw ontologies, “a way of being or existing that is thought outside the normal and as such to need chasing down.” How should we interpret the creation of difference throughout history particularly around race and disability as a paramount trope of the human condition? How and for what purposes do scholarly communities manage to maintain what Mitchell described as the absent presences of race and disabled bodies? What work is accomplished when race and disability are kept in separate spheres? Stiker reminds us that society reveals itself by the way in which it treats certain significant phenomena. The problem of disability -- and I will add race -- are such phenomena. To speak at all pertinently of disabled and raced people is to disclose a society's depth. These reflections led me to pursue systematic analysis of the intersections among these outlaw ontologies, there is indeed an urgent need to conduct this inquiry project given the historical weight given to these categories and the persistence of this problem in the U.S. educational system. In other words, this analysis promises to answer Bell's “invitation to keep race and disability in conversation with one another. It is an invitation to rethink embodiment and representation.” I argue that a critique of the research under racialization of disability affords us opportunities to examine particular social groups and neglected points of intersection of multiple master categories. And ultimately enable us to understand how shifting views of difference can reify enduring educational injustices in DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 16 the contemporary policy and practice landscapes of U.S. education. One could argue that research in special inequities in special education has made more visible the intersections of race and disability. Nonetheless, Hammons reminds us that, quote, this ability in and of itself does not erase a history of silence, nor does it challenge the structure of power and domination, symbolic and material, that the term is what can and cannot be seen. A key premise of my analysis, therefore, is that research under racialization of disabilities shall be grounded and theories and methods that shed light on justice concerns for disabled and racialized people. As he explained in this proportionate representation of racial minorities in special ed has been debated for about half a century. This is a problem that defies simplistic or leaner explanations. Indeed the available research paints a complex picture in which individual factors, institutional practices, organizational forces, as well as physical and bureaucratic pressures contribute to their racialization of disability. This complex predicament raises intriguing questions such as how do legal protections for a marginalized group, in this case people with disabilities, become sources of inequities for another marginalized group, such as racial minority students. What types of evidence do we need to document -- do we need to document the ways in which the equity agenda of the IDEA collide with racial groups' search for justice. Why have we have the research and policy communities given the bulk of their attention to these all whole problem only the last ten years? Perhaps more importantly, why have the historical and cultural implementation of race and disability under complex intersections not been theorized and analyzed in this scholarship? I use the lens of intersectionality to analyze the bodies of research. The notion of intersectionality emerged in critical legal studies and has been subsequently developed in social sciences and humanities, precisely as a resource to understand the complexity of marginalized people's experiences in stratified institutions and society. “Intersectionality aims to honor people's multi-dimensional experiences as a response to the tendency to treat race and gender as mutually exclusive categories of experience and analysis.” Therefore, intersectionality challenges the reduction logic used in traditional analysis and inspires to engage with a simultaneous influence of race, gender, social class and other forms of difference as well as the complexities associated with such experiences. Intersectionality challenges essentialist views of groups, single acts of analysis and acts as models of identity. McCall stated that intersectionality transcends an emphasis on separate identity categories and moreover rejects the separatability of unanalytical, unidentified categories. Crenshaw describes structural and political intersectionality and reflected on their implications for representational intersectionality. Structural intersectionality refers to, quote, “the ways in which the women of color at the intersection of race and gender makes our actual experience of domestic violence and remedial reform qualitatively different from that of white women, end of quote. Extrapolating into my analysis, it can be stated that the location of boys of color from low income background, particularly African Americans and Native Americans, at the intersection of race, gender, and class makes the experience of disability add to the education, and efforts to address it qualitatively different from that of white middle class boys. In turn, political intersectionality highlights the fact that women of color are situated within at least two subordinated groups that frequently pursue conflicted political agendas. The need to split one's political energies between two sometimes opposing groups is a dimension of intersection of disempowerment which men of color and white women seldom confront. Indeed their specific race and gender experiences, although intersectional, often defined as well as confine the interests of the entire group. DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 17 For the purpose of my analysis, low income boys of color with a high probability of identification with disabilities are situated within multiple subordinated groups that frequently pursue conflicting agendas. This liminal position creates a sort of intersectional disempowerment that middle class boys with disabilities, low income boys of color without disabilities, and white girls and girls of color rarely experience. On the other hand, Coin has described the politics of secondary marginalization through which marginalized individuals with privilege, in our case male students of color, police those without privilege. To my knowledge, studies or analysis examining secondary marginalization processes, either racialization of disabilities, have not been conducted. These parallels preliminarily drawn between Crenshaw's original analysis and the critique of the racialization of disability hint at the potential of an intersectional analysis of this problem. As I said out the notion of intersectionality as I said to use the notion of intersectionality in an analysis of research on this problem, it is necessary to know its limits and understand the critiques leveled against it. Erevelles and Meiner recently explained that disability is generally included in intersectional analysis merely as a descriptor, they argue such treatment of disabilities akin what Angela Harris called nuance theory, in critical race feminism. This theory constitutes black women's oppression as only an intensified example of white women's oppression, and thus, it represents the ultimate example of how bad things are for all women. It is indeed ironic that disability has been largely erased in an analytical tradition whose inspiration is to examine the complexities of late experiences. As Erevelles and Meiner reminded us, Quote, disability like race offers not just a nuance to any analysis of difference. Hence, the use of intersectionality in an analysis of racial inequities in special education research serves two critical goals. First, it foregrounds the need to pay systematic attention to the complexity of students' experiences in his research, and second, it advances the critical project of intersectionality to the engagement with disability in analysis involving multiple axis of oppression." A challenge conducting an intersectional analysis of racialization in disability is the inclusion of the three paradigms used to study this problem, namely the medical, social, and cultural models of disability because theoretical framings, methods, and explanations of this perspective varies in important ways. The medical model has dominated race, policy, and practice relative to disability. Although important advances have been made from the medical perspective that foregrounds the individual, substantive criticisms have been raised against it. Linton has summarized a critique as follows that “medicalization of disability casts human variation as deviance from the norm, as pathological condition, as deficit, and significantly as an individual burdened on personal tragedy. Society, in agreeing to assign medical meaning to disability, colludes to keep the issue within the purview of the medical establishment.” The racialization of disability has been examined largely through this lens and thus due to its concern with the inner-analysis that foregrounds individual, it disaggregates race from disability and other margins of difference resulting in a fragmented individual. In turn, the social model of disability predominately reflected in disability study paradigms offers new and political understandings of disability which is seen as interacting with social, cultural, historical, legal, and medical discourses as well as further complicating factors, such as race, ethnicity, gender, age, and class, end of quote. Despite the important insights afforded by disability studies perspective, scholars such as Bell have raised critical questions about its limits; most prominently the role whiteness has played in the acknowledged production practices in this scholarly DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 18 community. The third model, which I call a sociocultural perspective, also relies on a social construction view of disability, though its primary concern has been replacing the racialization of disability in the context of the oppression endured by racial minorities. I argue that we can benefit from a contrapuntal review of the scholarship produced from these three perspectives to identify points of contact across these bodies of work not really apparent. I draw on Said's notion of contrapuntalism in which he linked ideas and practices that are regarded as being opposites or in contradiction. A contrapuntal reading is to emphasize and highlight disjunctions, not to overlook or play them down, he said. For my purpose it is therefore necessary to examine the ways in which intersectionality has been taken up in disproportionate research that espouses the medical, social, and cultural models of disability. I realize that the lines demarcating medical, cultural, and social paradigms of disability are not simple and right, but it is fair to point that there are tensions between these models. From a contrapuntal standpoint, we are compelled to cross the linear spaces between these disability lenses, as Said explained in the context of discussing exile, quote, because the exile sustains both in terms of what has been left behind and what is actual here and now, there is a double perspective that never sees things in isolation. Consequently, as Said admonishes us, a crucial implication of a contrapuntal analysis is an unceasing concern with what to read, that is disproportionality research grounded in seemingly contradicted models of disability, attached to an unremitting mindfulness about how to read, that is being reminded of the intertwined and overlapping histories of race and disability as they intersect with gender, social class, and language. What can we gain from using such a double vision in a contrapuntal analysis of intersectionality in this research for across medical, cultural, and social paradigms in social disability? An initial goal is to maintain insights about blind spots in these literatures and understand how various categories and domains of experience have been falsely disaggregated and simplified. An intersectional analysis will allow us to read these categories and realms of experience in an integrated fashion and as mediated by judicial processes. Moreover a reading of sexuality in this literature will enable us to claim that disability and race do more than intersect in order to reinforce or intensify the larger stereotypes. It is not simply that they inherit, acquire, or attribute characteristics possessed by members of racial groups are interpreted based on a white supremacist disability. Literal logic and disablement as well as social and political subordination can also be a process that results in disability in post-racial power relations. To conclude, a contrapuntal analysis of the racialization of disabilities using an intersection of prison promises to advance a theoretical understanding of this complex problem and the ways in which we study it. Following Bell and Said, this political project enables me to keep this model of disability in conversation with one another. It will ultimately assist us to reinterpret the cultural dynamics of difference that mediate representations of marginalized groups. So let me now give you an outline of some of the things that are coming up in the analysis that we're doing using this perspective. First, what I call difference beneath the skin and between the ears, the unitary approach. Although it might be regarded as an outdated perspective in other disciplines, many studies of disproportionality rest on a unitary logic to intersectionality. The structural location of race and disability are taken for granted and membership in these categories is assumed to be enduring and static. This approach endorses a universalistic perspective in which one variable or marker of difference, such as race or class, is assumed to be more important than the others. Thus research is said to identify the one variable that has the greatest power in predicting special education placement, DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 19 typically secondary data sets of the school district state or, less frequently, national levels are used to gauge the factor that best explains or predicts placement risk. In this logic, one explanation fits all members of the group uniformly and one explanation is considered the most important over time. In this approach, the thought that class or race might have an impact on gender is more a factor of the nature of patriarchy than an open theoretical or empirical question. The prominence of a single variable is sometimes imposed through methodological means such as the use of covariance. This logic was recently used, for instance, in some of the analysis reported by Hibil and his colleagues in which they were interested in quote how student and school characteristics relate to the student's placement into special education, end of quote. In this study, disability was considered an individual based condition that can be diagnosed with objectivity via technical means. To illustrate, these authors explain that quote this proportionate representation may be especially likely to occur for those types of disabilities that rely more on a teacher's judgment and contextual factors than those types that rely on relatively more objective criteria such as intellectual disabilities or visual impairments. Building on the force of a unitary individual logic such as teacher referral decisions are commonly examined as mediated by a single factor, such as the race of the teacher or school and classroom demographics. For example, a unitary approach to teacher position argues that teacher judgments of acceptable student achievement or behavior are necessarily based on the performance of the teacher's particular reference group which naturally consists of the other students in the school. Thus, the students' peers with his or her school provide the normative standard for identifying where the student is -- whether the student is disabled and so is eligible for special education. Moreover, not only is disability an objective condition, but it is also the result of linear and unidirectional causal inferences, even though the link between these factors are often correlational, that move from membership in a racial or ethnic groups to living in poverty and end up in disability status. Mackmillan and Reshin concluded that quote, social class and not ethnicity will explain more variants in the rates of protection for these kinds of disabilities, particularly mild intellectual disabilities, end of quote. Hibil offers a similar theory when explaining that class and race effects are compounded by the greater exposure of lower income, quote, African American and Hispanic children to those factors that themselves contribute to disability identification. To conclude, these three things stand out in the unitary research, namely, one, the essentializing of social cultural groups, two, the stripping of historical inferences in the study of people's actions and decisions as well as ignoring the problematic historical intertwining of race and disability. And three, the assumption that disabilities are objective notions largely influenced by biological forces. In this sense the unitary approach naturalizes the racialization of disabilities and searches for evidence that will ultimately legitimize racial disproportionality, thus opening a space to claim what Ross called white innocence. That is, quote, the insistence on the innocence of contemporary whites, end of quote. Ross explained that white innocence has been consistently used in legal rhetoric about race in the U.S. to, quote, make smooth the cracked surface of the law's response to race, obscuring the conflicts and paradoxes smoothing over choices for which we will later feel nothing but shame, end of quote. I should note that there are structural conditions in the special ed field that offer incentives for a unitary approach to disproportionality in this research. For instance, the Federal law defines LD diagnosis as unrelated to socioeconomic and cultural differences, thus the law implicitly prevents intersectional analysis of disabilities with other markers of difference. Let me now DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 20 review briefly the other kinds of studies of that I consider hybrid, circular narratives of intersectionality. McCall explained the original approach to intersectionality analysis is concerned with critiquing what she called intercategorical complexity. This perspective, quote, interrogates the boundary making and boundary defining process of categorization. It acknowledges that stable and even durable relationship that social categories represent at any given point in time, though it also maintains a critical stance of categories, it also tends to focus on particular social groups at neglected points of intersection. Work by disability study scholars have relied on premises from this perspective. For instance, Therivall linked critical race feminist theory from disability studies. In their analysis about the historical nexus between race and disability, they situated the connections between race and disability in historical and post-colonial context and argued for an intersectional analysis that transcends the limits of unitary intersectionality. Taking the history of the eugenics movement and it's called conflation of race with disability, they argue that the continued association of race and disability in debilitating ways necessitates that we examine how eugenic practices continue to reconstitute social hierarchies in contemporary context, be it the employment of a hegemonic ideology of disability that have real material effects on people located at the intersections of difference, end of quote. Similarly, in a recent paper, I situated that racialization of disability in historical context of conflation of laws about ugly and impaired bodies and stress the complicity of research communities in documenting an association between racial minority status and deviance, illness and repressed abilities. Sociocultural and disability studies lenses afford a number of opportunities to a more sophisticated analysis of intersectionality. This is a case, because as I explained earlier, there is a theoretical apparatus in these scholarly communities that engages with complexity in more contextualized and systematic ways. Thus, disability studies offer powerful tools to examine disability as constituted discursively, culturally protean, and materially across multiple contexts. From this perspective disability is a notion that requires situated with sociocultural imaginations. It might be too early to gauge stable patterns in intersectional analysis of racial differences in special education conducted from these vantage points. However, I comment briefly on some intriguing points from this analysis that wrestle with at least two vectors of discrimination. It seems this analysis starts with this compelling critique of disability as historically and bureaucratically situated showing how definitions evolve over time and reminding us of the ways in which race, class, gender and disability have been en -- have en tangled histories, all of which is used to justify an intersectional analysis. In this sense, this work is rooted in an intercategorical and sectional frame. Nevertheless, a closer look shows that the core of its analysis is positioned from the vantage point of disability, that is, all of the other difference markers remain orbiting around the center of the analysis, which is disability. This is apparently the fact that in depth techniques a social model of race, social class, and gender are absent in this literature. The closest this work gets at a more balanced theorizing of these other markers is when that it acknowledges that special placement was used to maintain the racial segregation of schools in the post Brown era. Thus on the one hand, disability is socially constructed and is a tool of exclusion for racial minority students, but on the other hand a discussion of race is restricted to how this notion is used to oppress the other. In other words, the analysis made visible how disability is constituted and used, that is through the concerted efforts of cultural, historical and anthological processes, what it is only the impact of race that is oppression, what is foregrounded in the analysis. The analysis of disability is mindful of process of DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 21 instrumentality whereas the critique of race with the end result. Moreover, the framing of disability or socially constructed seems to leak when it is asserted that for the purpose of exploring the nexus of race and disability, certain categories, disability categories, may be considered more problematic than others. It is at this point when the tropes of disability and race converge and the analysis focuses on the racialization of disability that complications crystalize. First a quasi-unitary analysis emerges since the discussion relies on studies frayed from a unitary vantage point, the available placement by student race data are reviewed and discussed to support the argument about the racialization of disability. But certain structures and blind spots are left intact. By the way, the scholarship committed to socio-cultural perspective, including my own, has made the same move in some studies. This way, we are reminded of the Protean nature of disability as analysis morph from a critique of disability as a socially constructed entity to a medically based category as embodied in the databases using these studies within the same intersectional investigation. Although disabilities are theorized and socially constructed, some categories are called subjective or soft, and a structural argument is leveled against special education, namely that the bureaucratic and middle class system oppresses families of color. Agency and within group diversity and low income racial minority communities tends to be invisible in this logic. It's not surprising, therefore, that this argument ends up subscribing to an essentialist view of culture. In all fairness, disability studies and social cultural scholars are aware and do recognize more complex views of race and disability. They also give analytical space to agency in working with marginalized communities. My point is that a contrapuntal analytical stance shows that competing views of race and disability and intersectionalities coexist in their work produced within each of these scholarly communities. In part, because researchers use some of this analytical tools of the medical paradigm that we strive to contest in the first place. Conversely, it is interesting to note that researchers using a medical perspective have vocationally coopted tools from the disability studies and socio-cultural perspective to undermine the critique about the racialization of disability. And this was a surprise, I have to confess, for me. Thus, a contrapuntal reading of this work makes visible the coexistence of opposing paradigms within and across scholarly subcommunities. For example, let's go back to McMillan and integration. They evoked a social construction of disability and ethnicity argument to question the debate about disproportionality. They made this argument from the vantage point of strengthening measurement precision, a rhetorical move consistent with the tradition of expertism used in the medical movement model of disability. Their message is that because race and disability are ambiguous constructs that are measured in different ways, a degree of caution is needed in interpreting the meaning and significance of these disproportionality findings. They explain that race and ethnicity should not be interpreted as scientific and anthropological in nature yet that is exactly how they are treated in the OCR of overrepresentation of the dataset they said. They also look into the idiosyncratic ways in which fudge data are collected in schools, and highlighted the inadequacies of racial categories for capturing information about the way we think of diversity and liminal groups such as mixed race students. Their advice was, quote, it might be helpful to specify what aspects of ethnicity is believed implicated in special education placement and overrepresentation data do treat ethnicity as an independent variable and essentially consists of comparisons across ethnic groups, end of quote. I'm a page away from ending and I've been informed that I'm out of time, so I'm going to hurry up. These arguments are used to justify the need to control, particularly as often a proxy for social class, which is -- which DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 22 has as I cited earlier is a preferred explanation for the disproportionality debate. It's interesting that these authors invoke within diversity and racial ethnicity groups to advise caution in the analysis of overrepresentation of students of color. See, after all, they remind us these constructs are highly unstable. The implication is that we do not know who these learners really are. But then within the same paper, these authors summon an essentialist view of white students and a medical frame of disability to support a poverty hypothesis. They cite the study in which the prevalence and model of disability is a various function of social class, the lower the class, the higher the prevalence of disability. With no occurrence of intellectual disabilities in the higher social class. The heart of the argument is the announcement that, quote, a study was conducted in Aberdeen, Scotland involving only white subjects, thereby avoiding the confound of ethnicity and social class, end of quote. In this scenario, incidents of disability are no longer problematic or fraught with measurement challenges, as they stated in the same article, although the study looked at levels of social class, it is claimed that social class is not a confound. Equally important the authors assume there is no definitive diversity in white communities, a longstanding trope in the othering of non-white communities that keep white folks at the center of the finding of consequential categories like ability and disability. Finally the assertion about the essential nature of white communities lies in the face of the culture history of Europe and the UK in particular. So in closing, the initial critique suggests that intersectional analysis grounded in this contrapuntal perspective has substantial potential for the study of disproportionality. We need to pursue a number of very complex questions that include things like what cultural dynamics are in play that produces this first, to what extent does the history of the racialization of disability and the ways in which intersectionality has been addressed in their research across the medical, cultural, and social paradigms that constitute what Fischer called involutionary change, where the construction, treatment, and consequences of race and disability become more elaborately the same. It's important to keep that in mind. And in closing a contrapuntal analysis of the racialization of disability has the potential to stimulate a conversation between similarly opposite or contradictory disability models and examine the respective ontological assumptions about disability and race. Such analysis is concerned with answering the question what can we learn about the nature of disability and race in bodies of work that are deemed to be distinct and even mutually exclusive. This preliminary analysis identified connections that are not perceived greatly across these research communities and between supposedly dichotomized entities such as race and disabilities. To some extent, this emerging contrapuntal analysis suggested a blurring amount of boundaries among paradigms, an intersectional prison in turn revealed the protean nature of disability and race. Sometimes at the service of hegemonic ideologies that reidentify the race and disability that wouldn't have been perceptible through a single axis analysis. What I've shared to you only scratches the surface of a contrapuntal intersectional analysis and its implications, this preliminary exercise has bolted the dimensions of implications for the preparation of future researchers, the death of analysis of historically charged multi-layer categories like racial mobility and differences and the fusion of reflexivity in our practices. But I need to stop here for now, I'm grateful for your attention and you've been a great audience. Gracias. (Applause.) >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: Well, thank you, Alfredo and Nirmala for such great and thought provoking papers. We are going to open the microphones now. I have two microphones, one maybe, maybe not. No, you've got two. So we're going to DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 23 open for a Q and A discussion. I think there's someone on the back, where you came from Francesca. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, this is for professor from UIC. I can't read your name, it’s too far. >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: Federico Waitoller. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: In your statistics for special ed, did you include the three to five programs, early childhood programs? >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: No, that was elementary schools. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: 5 to 8th grade? >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: To 12th. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: And also do you know how many of those students in special ed transition from early intervention? >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: No, I do not know that. Sorry. >> FRANCESCA GAIBA: Any other questions? >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Professor, I was wondering does the medical model of disability in your mind set have to be essentialist? For instance, could the physical and material aspects of race, class, oppression lead to biological manifestations of disability? I've seen research that suggests, for instance, that undiagnosed learning disabilities arising from unequal access to psychological and counseling services can lead to depression and the manifestations of ED in the special education context. Similarly, stress that African American and Latino children face in the disproportionate -- in disproportionate ways can lead to -- I've seen research that it can lead to things like post-traumatic stress disorder, intermittent explosive disorder, which all are biological manifestations of, to some extent, the ED diagnosis and special education. So I guess my question is, is the medical model of disability by definition in your mind essentialist, or can it be intersectional? >> ALFREDO ARTILES: Thank you. Great question, and I'm sure Nirmala will have some insights to share from her latest book as well, and she addresses some of these issues as well. The short answer is no, even though by definition we thought about it that way historically. Largely there is a great deal of perception about medicine by design, looking at the individual. But there are some interesting trends emerging in the last 30 years or so. When you look at the -- what people describe as a biological term, is the explosion of technologies and the attention to things like using technologies for the genome project, and knowing the very intricacies of our human body, there have been an explosion of attention to biological groups of everything that we live and experience. There are some risks associated with that. At the same time, there is a very interesting, and refreshing movement across the social sciences and the humanities to counter this biological term and to problematize it. So I think there are the presence of holistic medicine that we’ve had for a long time that really challenges it. But also when you look at work in medical anthropology and some work that has been done in the sociology of science, that look at medicine as a social and cultural practice, you realize that the perception we have as a purely objective technical practice of a profession is not -- there is not such a thing as this professional feel that is entirely dependent of objective measures. There is a lot of clinical judgment involved in using those technologies and that knowledge. Just think about the last time you went to the physician and they just tried to make sense of whatever test they were getting on you, and try to reconcile sometimes permission. We tend to relegate that outside of discussions in this field. So I think partly it's because we have assumed that that's the DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 24 case always. It doesn't have to be that way. But it is not until you put on the table this alternative thinking tools, question, that to disrupt the issues, which is what you're doing with the question. You don't pay attention to it. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: And I think -- yeah, there was another one here, but I didn't think of that. It's also -- I mean, the part of the problem with -- I want to be also very clear that when we are -- when we are offering a critique of the medical model, we are not saying that there is no such thing as maybe depression or there is no such thing as whatever these things are. The problem with the medical model is that it takes difference and pathologizes it, and when it’s pathologized, it makes it seems that there is no ways in which other social and other factors come in. It's also when you pathologize it, we immediately -- like what my paper was saying, we immediately attempt certain kinds of treatments that will not allow for any kind of critical understanding where the person involved has a space, a voice, and the capacity to interpret and understand these things. Pathology is negative. Pathology means that you're going to get rid of this thing as soon as possible. Pathology doesn't allow us to think that we can actually live with -- none of our bodies are perfect, quote, unquote. None of our bodies are perfect and in fact that we can actually live with difference in ways that are much more productive than a pathological argument would allow. And I think that Alfredo's argument about the -- that we offer the medical model in a way as if it is completely produced via objective fact, but in reality, medical practice is also so much about interpretation and translation. Talk to a doctor about an MRI. I mean, an MRI is how different people, neuro-oncologist, a neurosurgeon and a neuroradiologist read the MRI in completely different ways. So the fact that our critique of the medical model is the ways in which disability gets read, as opposed to saying, oh, no, this doesn't exist. So maybe that -- in that sense, that -- it essentializes -- what it does, the medical model essentializes in some ways freezes meaning within a very particular framework. And I hope that's kind of the way I'm answering ->> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: There is a great book by Ann Marie Mol, titled the Body Multiple, great that really sheds light on a number of the complexities inherent in the question in case you're interested. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: I don't really have a question. I just wanted to see -- I think there's some intersectionality between the three of your talks and I don't know if anybody is prepared to do this but it would be kind of neat to kind pull the three of them together in some way. You know, we had some really good strong data at the beginning, and then we have a lot of theories that really do relate to that data, but it would be nice if one of you might pull that together. >> ALFREDO ARTILES: Thank you. Next question. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: I actually have a question for each one of you. Is that okay? I'll start with Federico. So I was curious about, because most of my research is being focused on France and I was wondering about the absence of France in the statistics. Is that part of French color blindness, about addressing these issues, or is there data out when they've had special education since 1909. There's a lot more ethnographic research in terms of statistics. And then in terms of categories, I was very interested because in France they talk -- what I've been looking at is how they've been mainly focusing on eating disorders, which is conduct disorders, psychopathy, hyperactivity, instability in the psychoanalytic and neurobiological. So when you’re looking at the overrepresentation of whites in terms of ADHD, I wonder if ADHD is more DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 25 of a complex category in the sense that when it's associated with opposition -- what I've been seeing is that in France they will naturalize and say that kids are genetically violent and it's not obviously, that can be very stigmatizing, so that's a question about ADHD which is related to the question for Nirmala which is about talking about that with minority students, they're often excluded both because they're seen as more -- they don't get the services because they're seen as acting out on their own will, but also there's a form of exclusion of when they're diagnosed, that can also be a form of oppression and used as a tool to kind of naturalize their inferiority in some sorts so I'm wondering about the intersection of the kind of double exclusion, of being excluded in services and then being inferiorized by services themselves. And then for Alfredo -- what was my question for you? It was really good too -- oh, yeah, I remember. So in terms of linear models, which I found very interesting what your work is doing and it makes -- what I'm curious about is this tendency -- and even kind of anti-racist disability studies which will focus on many issues, okay, African Americans tend to be more urban environments where there's more lead and that lead can lead to retardation and breed cycles of poverty. And personally I find that research problematic in the sense of terms of philosophy science. It's not -- I was at a conference where someone was presenting this in a context of inequality in the neighborhoods, and it was in Paris. And I asked them, so how do you even prove that there's -- those environments are -- they said well we count the number of books that on their shelf. It's a very absurd kind of practices in terms of establishing this data. So I think in terms of philosophy science, it's very weak, and also I see it as good -- in trying to defend social injustice, it's -- it also gives more tools for professors to assume that the kid just ate too much lead and that's why there's an issue. >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: Well, I'm not very aware of data from France, and maybe that says something, that there isn't much there about France. I'm not aware. If anyone else knows somebody in France but it's definitely interesting if you have a source, that's a very fascinating category because I think it's -- it lowers a little bit those boundaries between subjective and not. Because what you're thinking at the end, how most of those students are identified with this particular category even when they talk to a psychiatrist, as Federico pointed out, it's not as objective as you think it may be. There's still psychometric questionnaires in force, and again when I pointed out on my presentation, and maybe some parents have more access to those kind of diagnoses than others, and that's the reason that maybe some kids get into fights with emotional disturbance or actually gets -- psychiatrists to get a different diagnosis. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: I'm hoping I remembered all the complexity of your question. If not, I'm sure you'll correct me. But one of the things that you have to understand when you're particularly talking particularly in the U.S. context about the ways in which race and disability intersect in public education is that historically we justify the category of race using a very problematic pathological definition of disability. So like the history, like every time a student gets labeled in the public -- in any kind of educational classroom, you are bringing to bear a historical reading of how the child is labeled. In addition to the fact that they are actually real economic resources. I mean, the most -- I think we were having this conversation today while driving up here to this hall, that when we talk about health and access to self, like basically the well-being, I'm not saying healthy, but the well-being of individuals is always caught up with this complex web of social, political and economic relations. Lack of access to certain kinds of health care or any kinds of services is always contingent on resources. And so for a child to be DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 26 labeled within a political context and the nature of resources that are offered and also more importantly the space this individual has to advocate for the kinds of resources he or she gets because mostly when kids of color get referred, even when they get services, it's punitive. You either do this or not. And their services are not any of the kinds that are more empowering, because if you kind of -- I mean, the only people that could really advocate for medical services particularly are those with good resources. Otherwise you're considered the charity case, the person on welfare, and so you've just got to be grateful and accept stuff. So when there is that curious intersection -- I mean, of course there is this double jeopardy or doubling back which I also mentioned in my paper, that among psychiatric survivors, we would argue for less intervention, but what happens to people who don't get any resources at all. But it doesn't mean I'm advocating for more, how do you say, punitive ways of curing people, but to talk about the ways in which -- and particularly in education, how do we center children? How do we ask for the kinds of things they need? It was in the context that's broader than just the labels that we bring in. Why is it that we have to have labels to in some ways find what kids need? Because if you don't have a label, somehow this -- some logic about the education administration that we cannot be nice or we cannot in some ways empower kids, and that's the logic from where I would answer your question. >> ALFREDO ARTILES: So we need some preliminary analysis with data from Chicago, we've got data on lead paint, on toxicity in Chicago neighborhoods, and map it on the boundaries of the city, and then overlay the areas of the city where you have the highest identification of African Americans in the category of intellectual disabilities, which is supposedly the connection between lead paint and disability. And we didn’t run any heavy duty analysis, it was merely a visual analysis of distribution across space, but the lack of overlap between toxicity in lead paint and disability was striking. That doesn't mean that lead paint toxicity is not associated with mental retardation or intellectual disabilities. It means that it's not a simple linear correlation. And there are analyses showing that poverty definitely contributes to disabilities, but when you statistically control for poverty level, people have documented that race makes a substantial significant contribution, a statistical level to disability diagnosis. So this push that we have in the field to blame it all on poverty and because communities of color have this heightened level of poverty and that's all the reason why they need special education is really not holding when you look at those findings. And there are some interesting counterintuitive to it trends in the data. If that's the case, why we don't have a disproportion of placement of Latinos at the national level, considering the level of poverty at that community. They are not disproportionately represented. They are at the state and the city levels in some regions of the country but not at the national level. So that association between poverty and disability doesn't hold in the case of a Latino community at the national level. So all of this is to say that we really need more complex understandings theoretically first and endemicologically about how those two things connect. We're actually now with my team writing a grant proposal to look at neighborhood and school psychologies to try to understand the interplay between not only all the dire circumstances of urban and inner city communities but also the assets and the strengths that they may find that can be used to counter and to make sense of this complex connection. That is requiring us to look at public health, to look at urban geography, to look at urban sociology, anthropology beyond the medical model. We do want to use the information from psychology and medical paradigms because we can find some useful tools in those fields as well. We should not make this a paradigm war in DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 27 that sense. It's just as Nirmala was explaining, to use it in the perspective that it's going to make our work more productive >> FEDERICO WAITOLLER: And to make that case more complex about the relation between poverty and identification, one interesting finding that's pretty consistent in the category of emotional disturbance if you’re African-American, you're more likely to identify with that disability if you go to a school that's wealthy and has much more resources and is mostly a white community. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, thanks to each of you for these really amazing papers and I guess my question is about adultism and I'm wondering -- so I think your answer to the last question started to sort of touch on this. Each of you talked at length about children, but in a lot of ways the like theoretical apparatus and the frame works that you used so wonderfully together were sort of, you know, the critical race, the disabilities studies frame works. And I'm wondering about, I think the appeal to eugenics, social Darwinism, all of that really should be very instructive about how we need to be thinking all of these things together. But there's also a way in which childhood is a really important sort of focal point in the eugenics movement, right? So I'm wondering if there's sort of more to say about the ways in which one form of pathologization and criminalization has been so common to infantilize and that there's a way in which there's something very fundamental about being children, right, that's always already being bad children because children are not what we're expecting them to be what they're supposed to be. So thanks. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: I think that's a good connection, particularly about the ways -- particularly in the area of disability. We infantilize young and old adults in ways about gender and also I just want -- actually I may not be answering your question, but also to note that even the way we imagine what childhood is, is also a very privileged space, and who is allowed childhood and who is not. And how we name it, because, particularly -- you see that a lot on school systems, about even how we respond to in one context what we would call childless exuberance, and in that same space on a different body, we would call it a dangerous child. And that's where that whole -- I think that's where a lot of the papers point. So thank you for marking the notion of adultism. I guess because we're talking about schools, children come so much in it. And I think at the beginning of my paper I kind of like said how we moved. But, yeah. >> ALFREDO ARTILES: I haven't thought about this, so I am glad as you raised it. I want to think about it more. But I think it's a fascinating angle because, as you pointed out, historically we have resorted to infantilize racial minorities and people with disability in a number of ways. But there was some interesting work on transition now, in high schools and middle schools and transition plans, trying to look at that through the lens of habitus and how the work is done in those meetings and plans may be another social project to introduce them into adulthood but in a very different way, to very specific path is not the traditional Marxist learning to labor kind of analysis, but it's bringing a new perspective to this thing that we have never questioned before. So I think there's a huge possibility to critique this issue. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: And because you brought that up and that's also the really dangerous space because there are certain adults -- especially when you talk about transition, round of course, learning the labor part, but also in expressions of their own self, as in their sexuality, where we use then the child model to actually disenable them to enjoy and appreciate their own desires, and it's put under the logic of protections. We're going to protect these adults just because they have disabilities from DILLON REPORTING SERVICE - (312) 553-0069 28 enjoying what every “adult” is supposed to have. And that I think is an even more -- is even more violent because people just accept it as it's a human -- I'm on some human rights boards for community groups and they were very casual thing is to do castrate or do something just for protection, and it's like casual. So that notion of adulthood, child becomes very predictable. >> FRANCESCA GAIBA: Let's take two more questions. >> AUDIENCE MEMBER: This question in some ways comes partly from your talk yesterday, Nirmala, what you talked about accountability. So for the grad students, and there are many here, I'm sure, how do you -- what recommendations do you have, I guess, to be accountable to the historical and structural inequalities that you're talking about here? How can we take what you all have said today into our own work and sort of do justice, instead of just adding this oh, the and disability, and race, and class, right? Because this is often offered as the easy solution. So I was hoping you could talk to that. >> NIRMALA EREVELLES: It's -- I mean, it's simple and it's complicated. It's act. I mean, I think because all our theories here, I think really locates us, it has to be grounded in the actual conditions of people's lives. I'm a mother. I have an eight-year-old who goes to school and I see -- I feel very passionate. That's where the accountability comes when I go into my daughter's classroom and I see kids just like her, as adorable as her, as smart and intelligent as her, being produced in really brutal ways, and I can already mark trajectories of that violence with certain students. So to be accountable is not -- like we have to -- I'm not making an argument of common sense because common sense doesn't allow us to be complex and critical, and that's where the relationship of theory to practice, I find so connected that we can actually -- like when I teach my students, it's always easier because I also live in Alabama, it's a nice place because we supposedly represent, right, all of America's failures on race is put in my statement, you know for sure it's going into yours, and I'm not just -- I don't just defend it for our football team, I also defend our politics. So in that sense we actually see that we are not -- we are in so many ways not a part from. We see these things happening but we keep ourselves remote because we make our arguments, we're talking about things in very particular compartmentalized ways. That's why my simple answer is see, analyze, and act, maybe. I'm sure you all can say stuff, too. >> FRANCESCA GAIBA: Any other questions? Well, please join me in thanking the speakers. (Applause.). We also want to invite you at the next lecture in IRRPP by Silvia Puente who is the director of the Latino Policy Forum, and she will be speaking on campus in the student center east on March 13th. We have flyers outside for you to take. So we hope to see you all at the next event. (Applause.) ***This text is being provided in a rough draft format. 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