Wylfa New Build Project Liaison Group (PLG) MINUTES Minutes of the Wylfa New Build Project Liaison Group held on Thursday 21 May 2015 in the Horizon Wylfa Newydd Office, Cemlyn Rooms A and B. Attendees: Name Organisation Adam Williams Ysgol Uwchradd Caergybi Adrian Owen Alun Roberts Magnox Ltd Môn Communities First Anna M Jones Tref Alaw Community Council Cllr. Richard Dew Cllr. Elfed Jones Llifon ward Llanbadrig Community Council Cllr. Gwilym O Jones Llifon ward Cllr. John Griffith Talybolion ward Cllr. Llinos Medi Huws Talybolion ward Cllr. William Thomas Hughes Craig Reiersen Daryl Williams Dennis Evans Dr Tom Conway Dr Trefor Wyn Jones Twrcelyn ward Office for Nuclear Regulation Unite the Union PLG chair Wylfa Retirees Association Bangor University Enid Williams Eric Torr Isle of Anglesey's Youth Service Ynni Talybolion Eurwyn Hughes Geraint Hughes Geraint Lyn Greg Evans Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern North Wales Fire and Rescue Service Ysgol Uwchradd David Hughes Operations Director, Horizon Nuclear Power Jac Jones PLG vice chair / Menter Mechell / Carrog Renewables Jackie Blackwell Ynys Mon Citizen's Advice Bureau Llio Johnson Anglesey and Gwynedd Partnership (Children and Young People) Llion Francis Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern Lowri Joyce Magnox Ltd Margaret Thomas Ynys Môn Citizen's Advice Bureau Mark Thornton North Wales Community Health Council Sarah Andrews Public Health Wales Trevor Howes Civil Nuclear Constabulary W Raymond Evans Anglesey Federation of Small Businesses Wyn Thomas Grŵp Llandrillo Menai/Coleg Menai Members of the public John Jones Member of the Public Michael Dodds Member of the Public Peter Jones Member of the Public Apologies: Name Organisation Aaron Bayley Ysgol Syr Thomas Jones Aled Roberts AM Aled Roberts Welsh Assembly Regional Member for North Wales Taran Disability Alli Hunt Nuclear Skills Academy for Nuclear Alun Ffred Jones AM Annwen Morgan Welsh Assembly Member for Arfon constituency Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern Carys Edwards Head of HR – Isle of Anglesey County Council Cllr. Bleddyn Rowlands Llanfachraeth Community Council Cllr. Dafydd Griffiths Llaneilian Community Council Cllr. Trefor Lloyd Hughes Ynys Gybi ward Lord Dafydd Elis Thomas AM David Walden Welsh Assembly Member for Dwyfor Meirionnydd Office for Nuclear Regulation Rt Hon Elfyn Llwyd MP Emyr Williams Member of Parliament for Dwyfor Meirionnydd Ysgol Uwchradd David Hughes Rt Hon Hywel Williams MP Member of Parliament for Arfon Janet Finch Saunders AM Welsh Assembly Member for Aberconwy Jean Jones John Chamberlain Ysgol Syr Thomas Jones Anglesey Agricultural Society/ Holyhead Rotary Club Llŷr Gruffydd AM Welsh Assembly Regional Member for North Wales Paddy McNaught Unite the Union Phil Scott Anglesey Tourism Partnership Professor David Shepherd Rita Lyon Bangor University Môn Communities First Siân Ritchings Chwarae Teg Sian Purcell Deputy Chief Officer, Medrwn Môn Stephen Lindoe Country Land and Business Association Tim Jones Natural Resources Wales Tony Jones Regional Community Cohesion Co-ordinator – Isle of Anglesey County Council Members of the public Mel O'Hara Member of the Public If your name has been inadvertently missed from this list or recorded inaccurately, please contact Horizon on 0800 954 9516 or at wylfaenquiries@horizonnuclearpower.com. Welcome from the chair – Dennis Evans 2 The Chairman, Dennis Evans (DE), welcomed everyone to the meeting and ran through the housekeeping arrangements for the meeting (inc. Health & Safety, fire alarm procedures etc) Minutes of the last meeting – Dennis Evans The minutes of the last meeting (3rd December 2014) were agreed as a true and correct record of proceedings and approved by members. Matters Arising Dr Tom Conway (TC) noted that land around Holyhead Road and Ffordd y Felin had a development of 16 houses proposed. TC stated that Dŵr Cymru/Welsh Water had said that no further developments would be allowed until the sewage plant had been improved, and asked for comment. The Chair asked if anyone from the Isle of Anglesey County Council (IACC) or DC/WW was present who could respond. As there were no representatives present, the Chair advised TC to approach DC/WW directly Election of Vice-Chair The current vice-chair, Jac Jones (JJ) asked to address the meeting, and announced that he would not be standing for personal reasons. He thanked those who had nominated him, and said that he hoped to continue representing Mechell Community Council at future PLG meetings, subject to confirmation by the council that he would be the representative going forward. He imparted his good wishes to the PLG, and following a message of thanks from the Chair for his service over the years, JJ left the meeting. Project Update - Charlie Tasker, Director of Project Development, Horizon Nuclear Power Charlie Tasker (CT) echoed the Chair’s thanks to JJ for his service and wished him well for the future. CT congratulated Greg Evans on his new role as Operations Director for Wylfa Newydd. Greg is scheduled to start in his new role on June 1, and will be based at the Wylfa Newydd site office, not in Gloucester. He added that Horizon was also hoping to appoint an apprenticeships scheme manager shortly. CT said that the Interim Consultation Report was currently being prepared. Horizon is now focusing on developing more detailed proposals for key areas of the project, including preparing the site for construction, developing support facilities (e.g. worker accommodation), and improving roads. CT explained that Horizon is eager to share information over the summer, and that information sharing events were being planned. The next consultation phase of pre- 3 application consultation - or PAC 2, would be held Winter 2015/16, depending on the progress of planning and design work. CT went on to discuss site activity and said that the first major phase of ground investigation (GI) works on site had now been completed. CT added that more GI works were planned for 2015, both onshore and offshore, to better understand the geological conditions of the ground and sea bed. Initial GI works were also planned along the A5025. CT said that Horizon was preparing plans to relocate essential Magnox buildings currently located on Horizon land - the Alternative Emergency Control Centre (AECC) and District Survey Laboratory (DSL) - to land opposite the site entrance, but within the site boundary. CT added that general site maintenance was continuing, which included removing old and unsafe structures. A variety of survey work was also being carried out, including traffic and environmental surveys on the A5205 and hydrology, geology and ecology studies across the main site. These would inform the environmental management plans for the Wylfa Newydd project. CT noted that a habitat management programme had been undertaken at Tre’r Gof, which is a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) adjacent to the proposed station site. This meant that fencing around the area could be improved and cattle can now graze in the reserve adjacent to the SSSI. This work was completed in conjunction with the Anglesey Grazing Animals Partnership, North Wales Wildlife Trust and Natural Resources Wales. CT discussed how the owners of properties nearest to the site could benefit from the launch of Horizon’s Neighbourhood Support Scheme. This initiative provides compensatory payments to home owners whose property may have lost market value due to the Wylfa Newydd proposals, subject to applicants meeting the criteria set out in the scheme. CT said Horizon was continuing to fund local groups and organisations, including Ysgol Thomas Jones and the Anglesey Young Farmers Federation. CT explained that, as well as appointing an education programme co-ordinator, Horizon had also developed the framework for their Education Programme and were engaging with local schools, colleges and universities. He noted that Horizon were attending events including Big Bang Cymru and the Codi STEM programme (Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths), with the goal of inspiring students to engage with STEM subjects. CT said that Horizon’s first engineering apprenticeship scheme would be starting in September 2016 and that local students would be invited to apply to take part in it. Horizon would also be continuing to support Cwmni Prentis Menai’s apprenticeship scheme for the fourth year running. 4 CT emphasised that Wylfa Newydd would provide a huge boost for the local economy, both during the construction phase and the operational phase. The estimated figures were £100m a year added to the local economy during construction and £40m a year during the operational phase, which would last for at least 60 years. Local companies were already benefitting from the project, CT said. A recent ground works programme saw 14 different companies from a wide range of sectors awarded contracts. CT announced there would be a joint Horizon/Hitachi-GE national supply chain event in Llandudno in July. This would be an opportunity for local and regional businesses to connect with existing supply chain partners and start realising their ambitions to be part of the successful delivery of this project. CT discussed recruitment and said that there were 32 staff based in the Wylfa Newydd site office at the moment. Due to the fact that the staff numbers would continue to rise, there were plans underway to expand the Wylfa site office to accommodate up to 80 staff. CT said that they were recruiting locally and keen to increase the majority number of Welsh speakers in the team. CT said that he expected a variety of job opportunities to be created during the year and that jobseekers should keep checking Horizon’s website and Twitter feed. They should also look out for adverts in the local paper. CT asked if there were any questions. Councillor William Hughes asked whether Horizon had any plans for the former Shell site at Rhosgoch, and if there were any plans to improve the A5025 between Wylfa Newydd and Amlwch. He said that there were accidents on the road on a weekly basis, and the vast amount of traffic that would coincide with this project would surely add to this problem. CT said that in the event that Horizon decided to propose housing workers at Amlwch then it would also look at the requirement and potential for improving that stretch of the A5025. At the moment Horizon was still developing its worker accommodation strategy. Councillor Gwilym Jones asked for more details about the apprenticeship schemes that were mentioned in CT’s presentation. Richard Foxhall (RF) said that Horizon’s scheme would be starting in September 2016, and students who complete the one-year Enhanced Learning Programme will have the opportunity to apply for a place on Horizon’s Level 3 engineering apprenticeship scheme. There will be an intake of up to 12 apprentices in the first year. Once fully developed, the scheme will continue recruiting annually over the 60-year operational design life of the power station. Regarding Cwmni Prentis Menai’s scheme, Horizon will continue to support the scheme which is a three year programme for all apprentices. RF said that the benefit of having a three year 5 programme was that everyone who completed it and had not dropped out during the three years would be 100% sure that they were following the right career path. Councillor John Griffith asked how much notice Horizon would take of the Supplementary Planning Guidance (SPG) that the Isle of Anglesey County Council had drawn up, and that he was very disappointed with the reply to this question which he asked at the last meeting, He asked if CT had given this matter further consideration. CT said that he had spent some time discussing his comments with Councillor Griffith after the last meeting had closed, and suspected there had been a misunderstanding in relation to his comments on the SPG at the previous PLG meeting. He emphasised that Horizon were looking to comply with the SPG wherever possible and that this was an integral part of the planning process. Further, the obvious path to ensuring planning applications could be processed smoothly, then Horizon would have to ensure that, as far as possible, each application would have to take all aspects of planning law, planning guidance and the Supplementary Planning Guidance into account with each application. However, on occasion it be difficult to comply with the SPG on some issues if the SPG was directly at odds with feedback given by the community as part of Horizon’s ongoing consultation programme. If that did happen, Horizon would discuss the issues with Isle of Anglesey County Council at the earliest opportunity in order to agree a mutually acceptable solution. PAC 1 (Pre-application consultation) Feedback - Carrie Garlett Carrie Garlett (CG) said that Horizon had used a company called Dialogue by Design for a third party review of the responses to PAC 1 and had summarised responses by consultation question/theme, and by stakeholders, local community groups and individuals. Themes and unique responses had been highlighted. CG explained that the results would be rolled into the Consultation Summary Report that was being prepared by Horizon for publication later in 2015. CG then listed some of the high level themes featured throughout the consultation feedback. This included strong feelings that the Welsh language and culture must be protected, the support and retention of tourism must be addressed, road improvements were necessary and that community benefits must accompany the project. Other feedback from PAC 1 included thoughts and opinions on the following topics – the nature of consultation, environmental concerns, emergency service providers, coastal protection, architecture, transport, housing, associated development, employment and community benefits. 6 Horizon’s approach to socio-economic impacts - Stefanie O’Gorman, Director of Sustainable Economics, Jacobs, and Maia Gralewski, Environmental Impact Assessment Manager, Horizon Nuclear Power Maia Gralewski (MG) noted that Horizon had commissioned Impact Assessments to support its Development Consent Order and its Town and Country Planning Applications. MG added that the Environmental Impact Assessment, the Health Impact Assessment and the Language Impact Assessment were all linked to the Environmental Impact Assessment. MG also discussed the key programme dates. Stefanie O’Gorman (SOG) started by giving a brief overview of the purpose and aims of a socio-economic assessment, which include investigating the effects on people and communities in terms of how people live and work, the effects on businesses in terms of growth opportunities and limitation, and the wider effects on the economy as a result of spending on the project. SOG discussed the assessment coverage. The assessment directly covers the construction phase, and indirectly covered the operational phase. SOG explained that because Horizon would be spending locally (on salaries earned by local people, for example) there would be a knock-on effect and that the money would be re-spent locally. SOG explained that a ‘baseline’ assessment of the key socio-economic characteristics had also been completed. This was to understand how things were now, without the effects of the project. This would then clearly show how the project impacts any given area. SOG talked about the key socio-economic topics. One of these was employment, and the direct, the indirect and the potential impact on existing industries and services As a result of staff currently employed by them potentially leaving to join the Wylfa Newydd construction workforce, and leaving a worker shortfall in the local economy. Another was tourism and the impact the Project could have on businesses which are reliant on tourism. This was examined in terms of the potential change in visitor numbers, the impact on holiday accommodation availability and the possible competition for bed spaces. The impact on housing availability and prices was also discussed (with a short survey to be published shortly), along with community resources, public services, land use, and social cohesion. SOG discussed some of the potential effects on the local community during construction. She noted that there would be an increased demand for public services used by workers or members of workers’ households, a change in the demand for education services and accident and emergency services. There would be changes to health and wellbeing (covered by the HIA), changes in the proportion of Welsh speakers in communities (covered by the LIA), and changes in the perceived risk of crime, reported crime or public order incidents. 7 SOG then discussed some of the mitigation measures for these impacts on the local community. These included developing and implementing a worker accommodation strategy, including provision of appropriate facilities and services (emergency services and health facilities), and establishing a Code of Conduct for the workers. SOG explained Horizon’s approach to mitigation and enhancement. There will be strategies devised for each key impact area, such as worker accommodation, tourism, associated developments, emergency planning and security and an integrated traffic and transport strategy. Inherent benefits of the project would be identified, as would the opportunities to maximise local value. SOG discussed the inherent benefits of the project. She said it would create significant employment opportunities locally and regionally. There would be an opportunity to reduce unemployment. People would be able to get jobs that match their skills. Out-migration would be reduced and nuclear expertise would be maintained on Anglesey. There would be training and education opportunities in a growth sector. SOG asked if there were any questions. DE thanked SOG, MG and CT for the wide-ranging presentations, and noted that projects like Wylfa Newydd understandably generate excitement and concerns because local people understood that the place they lived in would change forever as a result. Dr John Idris Jones thanked the speakers for the presentations. He said he was very aware that many people were leaving the Island to work, with some going to work in the North Sea and some to the Middle East. He asked what Horizon’s plan was to attract people back to Anglesey, and noted that he thought it would be tricky seeing as some of the work was starting now but the majority wouldn’t start until 2019. CT agreed that people working abroad might see Wylfa Newydd as a great opportunity to return to Anglesey and that was why all jobs are advertised online and via social media, as well as using traditional local print media. Dr John Idris Jones also stated that it is important that North Wales people are made aware of opportunities based in Gloucester, and also of opportunities with Hitachi-GE Sarah Andrews, Public Health Wales noted the list of mitigation strategies that were presented. However, she noted that Emergency Planning was not included as a theme in the PAC1 feedback that had been presented – did it come up as a subject of concern in the feedback responses Horizon received? ? - CG responded that the subject of emergency planning did come up periodically in the feedback responses and subjects such as the Project’s impact on police, fire and ambulance services was very much part of the ongoing strands being assessed. 8 Sian Purcell and Dr Tom Conway both noted that many of the workers would be bringing wives and families with them, and expressed concern that the figure that would need to be considered in relation to the housing needs might be 8000, or even higher, double or treble that perhaps. TC asked whether the Local Joint Development Plan took account of these construction worker numbers specifically. DE assured TC that the LJDP does take it into account CT said that with the construction work especially, many of the workers might be travelling in from other areas and they would likely come alone and go back to their families on the weekend, as they prefer to keep their families static. He said this was based on previous experience. Wyn Thomas (WT) noted that there is a population of 765,000 across the six counties of North Wales, and between 5-6,000 within the 90 minute drive-to-work area, in order to give context to the estimated construction worker numbers. He also note that Grŵp Llandrillo Menai services four of those 6 counties, in relation to training provision for the future workforce. Elfed Jones (EJ) stated that the Island had 1,200 unemployed and 2,000 on sickness benefit. He asked if Horizon would be likely to see workers from overseas coming to work on the Project. SOG replied that workers could come from a variety of backgrounds and understanding the likely cultural make up of the workforce would be a vital part of measuring its possible impacts. Llio Johnson stated that 30% of children live in poverty, and that the leve of wages is low. She asked that Horizon do its utmost to ensure that as a minimum the Living Wage is used for construction workers to help get them out of poverty. Hitachi-GE project update – Tristram Denton, Communications Manager, Hitachi-GE Tristram Denton (TD) explained that Hitachi-GE were now at the ‘preparing for delivery’ phase of the project. He explained that they will be forming a team to deliver an EPC (Engineering, Procurement and Construction) scope of work, under contract to Horizon. They will be the UK ABWR (Advanced Boiling Water Reactor) technology provider and the EPC prime contractor - but Horizon will remain as the overall project lead. TD said that Hitachi-GE’s UK operation now has over 30 full time staff - a combination of UK recruits and Japanese ex-pats. TD explained that this team is supported by a team of around 250 people in Japan. The senior management are now based in the UK, so the decision making is localised. He explained that there will be an increased Hitachi-GE presence at the Wylfa Newydd site office as the project progresses. TD went on to discuss engaging the supply chain. He said that they had undertaken initial studies of UK capability, and that they are currently working with the NAMRC (Nuclear 9 Advanced Manufacturing Research Centre) to peer-review the findings. TD said that communications activity would increase in 2015 so businesses could understand more about the goods and services Hitachi-GE would require. Similarly, Hitachi-GE could get a better understanding of the goods and services available from suppliers. TD explained that they wanted to work with Welsh and UK suppliers but emphasised that the standards would have to be high enough - there would be no compromise on safety, quality, capacity or cost. TD said that the Generic Design Assessment (GDA) had shown so far that the ABWR technology is acceptable in the UK. TD explained that The Office for Nuclear Regulation (ONR) publishes a quarterly review, and the January-March period review had been published that day. It showed that the pace of delivery was good and still on target and that the communications between Hitachi-GE and the ONR were being maintained to a good standard. TD discussed the construction phase. He said that this phase has a significant impact on opportunities for local workforces, on how the project impacts the community, and on the successful delivery of Wylfa Newydd. TD explained that Hitachi-GE and Horizon had conducted a programme of Joint Studies over the past two years, to build their understanding of the UK construction environment, as well as the specific conditions at the Wylfa Newydd site. TD noted that a further joint study was underway and expected to run throughout 2015. DE thanked TD and said that there would be a slot on offer to Hitachi-GE at every upcoming PLG meeting. Craig Reiersen - Head of New Reactor Licensing at the Office for Nuclear Regulation Craig Reiersen (CR) was invited to say a few words. CR explained that there are three key aspects to ONR’s work on new reactors – generic design assessment; nuclear site licensing; and nuclear reactor construction. He added that they would be offering constructive advice during this process. CR explained that the submission for the reactor in this project should be received by mid 2016, which would then be followed by a formal assessment phase, and if everything was satisfactory, the license would be granted mid 2018. CR said that if there was sufficient interest, he would be happy to give a short presentation in the future. 10 National Grid Project Update – Martin Kinsey, Senior Project Manager, National Grid North Wales Connection Project Martin Kinsey (MK) discussed the current need case. He noted that there would need to be an additional connection from Wylfa by 2025, and that prior to the new connection being put in place. A mainland reinforcement would also have to be completed in 2020. MK discussed the different connection options that had been considered. One was a subsea connection from Wylfa to Deeside. The estimated cost of this option would be £1.1 billion. MK noted that no nuclear power station in the world was connected with only subsea cables, and that it would mean significant technical challenges. Even though faults were rare, if they did occur the connection could be out of service for six months. MK said that another option was a ‘hybrid’ connection – a land-sea combination. This would cost approximately £915 million. This option would still mean 18km of pylons on Anglesey, and again the cost and time needed to repair cables in the sea would be significant. MK explained that National Grid’s proposed option was for an onshore-only connection. MK said this would involve overhead cables and that National Grid did appreciate the visual effect this would have. MK explained that National Grid were committed to placing 3-4km of the connection underground at the Menai Strait, and were also looking at whether it would be unacceptable to place overhead cables in some other locations - because of landscape and visual impact. MK added that faults are rare but on land they can be identified and fixed more quickly and efficiently. MK stated that the cost of National Grid’s proposed option was £550m, so significantly less than the other two options. MK emphasised that having a low cost would be beneficial to everyone, as higher costs would be passed on to everyone in energy bills. MK then showed the area which the overhead cables would cover in their proposed plan the ‘orange corridor’. This was the option that was best received by the public out of the four corridors presented in the consultation. 121 out of 153 members of the public preferred this option. This ‘corridor’ was also the shortest and least densely populated route. MK noted that there was still a lot of work to be done, and that the next steps would include talking to landowners, conducting environmental surveys and investigating ways to reduce the impact of the line. There would also be two further consultations - the first in Autumn 2015 and the second in 2016. MK said that the submission for the planning application would then follow, and if granted, work would hopefully start in 2020. MK asked if there were any questions. 11 Councillor John Griffith (JG) said that the majority of people were totally against the overhead option, and that National Grid were going totally against local feeling. JG noted that the connection between Scotland and Lancashire for the wind farms in Scotland was a subsea one and that measures had been taken in that instance to avoid having overhead cables along the Lake District. JG asked why the same consideration had not been given to Anglesey. MK corrected the statement that the subsea connection was from Scotland to Lancashire, and that it ends at Deeside. He then explained that the subsea, direct current (DC) option had been the most appropriate for that project for a number of reasons and that it wasn’t the most suitable option for the Wylfa Newydd project. He also gave a detailed explanation of the options, the process Natiopnal Grid have to follow, and the appraisal of the work underlining their preferred option. JG asked what the cost of the subsea cable from Scotland to Deeside was. MK explained he didn’t have that information, but could find out. Steve Knight Gregson (SKJ) added further detail on subsea, such as substantial additional land for converter stations at either end of the cable, for example. JG noted his disappointment that National Grid were prepared to spend a lot to avoid pylons in the Lake District, but not on Anglesey Unidentified lady at the back of the room asserted that National Grid had gone about it the wrong way and had looked at their options, chosen one, and then consulted on that option. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? MK explained that this wasn’t the case, and that they had consulted with major stakeholders, local authorities, the Countryside Council for Wales (now Natural Resources Wales), and local people. All the options were included in the consultation pack. The feedback was that the preferred option was in the sea but people had said that, if there had to be overhead cables, they should at least be placed underground at the Menai Strait. Unidentified questioner – Did CCW agree with your options? MK – looking at all the criteria we have to meet, they understood how our conclusions were reached. Dr John Idris Jones thanked MK for the presentation and the explanation of the different options. He asked why National Grid are ultimately driven by cost? MK said that there were other factors in their decisions. However he did state that cost was a key element. He noted that National Grid operated to Government legislation, and that the Electricity Act 1989 stated that there was a requirement to operate economically but in an environmentally way. The Planning Act 2008 also gives guidelines that apply to ensure an appropriate balance had to be achieved. Chair and vice chair election update – candidates announced and voting opened 12 DE noted that the PLG had been established for four years now, and so the process of electing a chairman and vice chairman was now in progress. It was announced that for the role of chairman, they had received one proposal, which was for Dennis Evans to continue in the position. DE said he appreciated the support. For the role of vice chairman, it was announced that Dr Tom Conway and Wyn Thomas were standing. Letters would be sent to members explaining the voting process. The successful nominee would be announced by post or in the next meeting. Any Other Business RF announced that the latest Wylfa Newydd community newsletter had been posted and 33,000 houses would be receiving it. Close DE thanked everyone for attending. The meeting closed at 8.40pm. For more general project information or to ask Horizon any questions, please contact the team on 0800 954 9516 or at wylfaenquiries@horizonnuclearpower.com and visit www.horizonnuclearpower.com You can access these minutes and all the presentations from the PLG meeting via www.wylfaplg.com 13