University of Sheffield – Careers Service Survey of the Career Destinations of Philosophy Graduates of 2000, 2001, 2002 Completed in March 2007 by Joy Harrison-Roycroft and Pamela Hafekost University of Sheffield Careers Service 2 Contents Section Number Section Title Page Number 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Introduction Sample Employment status Skills development Career development steps Reasons for choosing to study philosophy Are you glad that you chose to study philosophy? Comments Further contact Summary 1 1 1 2 4 8 9 11 12 12 1 1. Introduction Every year University Careers Services write to those who have graduated in the last six months in order to produce statistics relating to the first destination of graduates. The Destination of Leavers from Higher Education survey helps us to learn more about the experience of graduates since leaving university and can be a valuable source of information for current students. However, first destination statistics do not necessarily provide a reliable indicator of longer term career paths or trends, as many graduates are still in transition six months after graduation and may be, for example, undertaking short term jobs while job hunting, travelling, or taking time out. As a result, the Careers Service increasingly also carries out longer-term surveys of graduates, such as this survey of Philosophy graduates, four to six years after graduation. It is hoped that surveys like this will provide a more accurate and realistic insight into the development of the working lives of graduates. In addition, this survey can also provide us with information about the extent to which Philosophy is being used by graduates and an idea of how they now feel about having studied Philosophy. The survey can also provide us with other useful information on skills, attitudes towards career options and qualifications gained since graduating. This information can be used by Careers Advisers to help current Philosophy students as they start to plan their own careers. 2. Sample Questionnaires were returned by 31 graduates. The average age of respondents on graduation was 21.7. 1 graduate was over 30. Questionnaires were returned by graduates completing the following degree courses: Degree Number of respondents Philosophy Philosophy with English Literature Maths Psychology History Politics Music 12 MA In Philosophy PhD in Philosophy 3 2 6 4 1 3 1 1 3. Employment Status 74% of respondents are in Full-time employment, 13% are in Full-time employment and studying. 10% are studying full time. 3% are not employed or studying (where this is for family reasons). 2 4 Skills Development Number of respondents indicating: In column A skills developed in current / most recent job In column B skills developed during degree Skill Commercial awareness Communication skills Intellectual/analytical skills Interpersonal skills IT literacy Leadership Management Numeracy Presentation skills Research Team work Time management Written communication skills A (Job) 19 27 16 24 19 24 24 13 20 11 27 25 16 B (Degree) 0 22 29 12 14 3 1 5 17 27 7 23 29 Respondents listed other skills that they use now Creative and design skills. Negotiation skills (and other specific trade union skills) Organising people Finance. Negotiation Language skills - Learnt abroad, financial management skills (budgeting) - working with children 5 17 Influencing, Managing change, Project management Staff management and financial management Diplomacy and Negotiation skills Pastoral skills Actuarial skills Presentation skills Skills omitted from degree course Respondents were asked to state if there were any skills omitted from their degree course, which would have helped them to obtain employment or to carry out their job(s). Skill Opportunities to develop communication skills were provided via small group tutorials, but I (and 75% of other students) needed more encouragement to do this. 3 I did not feel very employable after my degree. I think the groundwork for most skills was set during my degree but it was not until I started research, then working, that I actually fine tuned them. There is little emphasis on employable skills at Sheffield, other then via the careers More emphasis on team presentations - more monitoring of student reading to develop wider reading skills - peer criticism + feedback - more emphasis during presentations of clear handouts/PowerPoint, report writing It would have been fantastic if we had to present using PowerPoint and a computer more as I found that I had significant deficiencies when applying for jobs etc in Programs like PowerPoint and Excel. No. It was a great basis for just about anything! (Although further training required) None. The philosophy dept was very good at preparing its PhD students for the job market Negotiation skills IT, team working, interpersonal skills, presentation skills. To be honest I did not struggle to get a job but still think the skills above would have been valuable Presentation skills, computer modelling, management Presentation skills, public speaking/debating. Assessments and exams did not reflect the skills touched on during the course 4 5. Career Development Steps The following table summarises the steps taken by respondents to bring them to their current role. Indicates current or previous courses / qualifications Indicates courses / qualifications to be undertaken Degree/Study Step1 Step2 Step3 Step4 BA & MA in Philosophy Dip in Theology PhD PGCE Lecturer BA & MA in Philosophy Temp Work, Clerical, Banking Study for a PhD English & Philosophy BA PR Executive for LSC Communications Manager English & Philosophy BA Runner in Film Production Location Manager English lit & Philosophy BA MA in Philosophy & English Lit Overseas Teaching Trainee Teacher English Lit & Philosophy BA Numerous Temp Admin Jobs Media Diploma in Sound Recording Customer Services Technician English lit & Philosophy BA Student Union Officer Unison Organiser Unison Regional Officer in Local Government English lit & Philosophy BA Civil Service Manager Designer Step5 5 History & Philosophy BA Senior Research Officer Teaching Assistant Researcher Senior Research Officer History & Philosophy BA Customer Adviser Leadership Development Trainee MA Philosophy Admin in Civil Service Business Manager NHS Maths & Philosophy BA MSc Public Policy Research Assistant MSc Applied Statistics Researcher Consultant Maths & Philosophy BA Temping Foundation Course in Art and Design Teaching Assistant Maths & Philosophy BA Training/Actuary, Ltd Pensions Actuary Maths & philosophy BA University Research Statistician (Team Leader) Music & Philosophy BA Nursery Assistant PGCE Course Primary Teacher Philosophy BA Admin/Temp Work Teaching Assistant English Language Teacher Overseas Philosophy BA Brewery Assistant Study for PhD MA in English Language Teaching Research Adviser 6 Philosophy BA Legal Assistant PGCE Course Teacher Philosophy BA MA in Modern History PGCE Secondary Education Teaching Ed.D Teacher of History and ICT Philosophy BA Press and Sponsorship Officer CPE Legal Practice Course Paralegal Trainee Legal Adviser Philosophy BA Support Worker Philosophy BA Teaching Philosophy BA Travelling MSc Management Management Position Part-time MBA Performance Manager Philosophy PhD Lecturer Philosophy BA Business management coordinator Policy & Research officer Senior Policy Officer Senior Project Officer Philosophy PhD Post-Doc Researcher Finance Manager Politics & Philosophy BA Corporate co-ordinator Consultant 7 Psychology & Philosophy BA Temp Admin roles HR Assistant PT Study for Graduate CIPD Membership HR Adviser Senior HR Adviser 8 6. Reasons for choosing to study Philosophy A very interesting topic, develops an open mind. The ability to identify the key points of an argument and necessity to engage with and respond directly to the arguments presented by others. A very good preparation for a wide range of occupations if you are not sure of the direction you will subsequently take. An intellectual interest Because I enjoyed it Enjoyment of the subject, intellectually challenging I chose to study maths but have always had an interest in philosophy and I thought the joint honours would be more interesting. I chose to study at Sheffield because of the joint honours with philosophy. I went in blind, really but absolutely loved philosophy and found it offered me more then just a straight maths degree could I did better in philosophy then history so I swapped to dual honours, from straight history, to pull up my grades and it worked! I did not want to study maths all week but wanted to enjoy the debate and study of religion, ethics and politics I got an A grade at A level. I like to question things around us and I enjoy researching I love to think! I found it fascinating. The reason I knew what philosophy was about was because my mother started a philosophy degree when I started my A levels. (school advice Re: choosing degree subjects was woeful I was interested in it and motivated to study it. Profound- seemingly important! Intellectual discipline. Intellectual curiosity. I like arguing Interest and I wanted to study a new subject Interest and to be honest as a teenager I had a sort of pretentious view of things and I guess it fitted my self-image Interest in the subject Interest in the subject Interesting. Good at writing It was a subject which had always interested me Liked it at A level, wanted variation in degree and thought it would stand out more for future choices to have two subjects instead of just English lit. Mainly because I found the subject interesting. However, I was aware of the potential for it to supply me with useful transferable skills My Dad did it and I like big questions. I also did not want to leave Sheffield Personal interest 9 Personal interest Personal interest and a firm understanding of how to construct a winning argument. Doesn't seem to work with my wife though… Previous success in the subject Sheffield University offered matched funding for PhD students. I received this, and would not have been funded by the relevant funding body To enable me to elucidate my thoughts in writing with more clarity To me philosophy is the basis of all things, a way of understanding the world through different lenses. I had been pointed towards a couple of books as a teenager and the opportunity not to specialise too narrowly was one that really appealed to me. I started a dual honours in French & Philosophy. Was attracted by the idea of doing something new, and thinking about "Big" ideas. I don't think I really knew what philosophy was about when I chose it, it just sounded interesting! Liked it so much I switched to a single honours in the second year 7. Are you glad that you chose to study Philosophy? Absolutely Combining History with Philosophy has been a fantastic exercise in distinguishing me from other graduates. I am fascinated by modern history and the modules I completed were both educational and informing and enjoyable. Without doubt, the skills I obtained from studying both subjects opened many doors for me in the job market From an intellectual point of view - yes, from an employers point of view- not sure, there has been no direct career path Glad about what I learned, not glad about the lack of career options Great foundations - broad, humane - a flexible and modern degree. I am not sure how useful employers will recognise it to be in the future, but in terms of completing what I myself consider to be a useful and rewarding degree course I did not know what I wanted to do when I left school or when I graduated. If I had known I wanted to go into HR then I probably wouldn't have chosen to study philosophy I enjoyed it and gained valuable analytical skills. However I would have been stronger at a business degree. I also feel that philosophy is undervalued by employers as they do not have a full understanding of what the subject entails. I enjoyed it. Philosophy, not having much vocational direction, has made it harder to settle into a career. I more than likely would have made the same decision again. Though with hindsight I probably would think more strongly about studying Spanish/Portuguese/Modern languages. I still read on some of the philosophical topics I still read philosophy for fun. It is a great, stimulating and, analytical subject. It is not well regarded amongst employers though 10 It has improved my written skills and my presentation skills. I do find it has also made me think morally about what I do and where I work. (Hence I chose to work in the public sector and not the private sector) It has not helped my career but I am wonderfully well-rounded because of it It's great as a dual honours, especially with a numerate discipline and people continue to be impressed by my degree My degree was a revelation and spurred me on to further study. In fact I am currently studying towards my doctorate Not only does it give you a life-long interest and enrich your thinking about the world but it works very well with a dual degree in terms of providing variety in your studies Very glad. One day I hope to be able to study it further. There are still questions that I need answering Without a doubt the university and tutors were excellent, the course design was generally balanced and engaging and I felt that I developed many skills which have been important for my current study, previous jobs and also in everyday life. I would not change it and I would highly recommend it at a good university. Yes given that it's turning into a career, it's all worked out very well. Great department at Sheffield lovely place to be an undergraduate. Yes without a doubt but wish I had done more of the extra reading Yes, because I enjoyed it and my employers have respected it as a degree. It also provided the perfect basis on which to build when I later chose to study law. I do not think there would have been a better preparatory degree and I am pleased that I studied philosophy rather then going straight into law Yes, no doubt about it Yes, Very pleased that I chose to study philosophy I like to think of philosophy as both the art and science of thinking. The skills it develops in logical thinking, critical analysis, problem solving, presenting a persuasive argument etc. are all vital in the field of policy and research development. 8. Comments As well as experiences from current staff, it might be useful to have recent graduates go back to the dept. to talk about careers in academia. There is nothing quite like people who have just been through it ! Having recently decided on a change of direction, I am aware that whilst at university I was very unclear about what I wanted to do. University to me was just something to do at the time rather then a means to an end. Having returned to study but at a different university, I look back and see how important the institution itself is. I cannot say that philosophy would have been a very valuable degree at any university: Library resources, quality of teaching, organisation and opportunities available are fundamental. The importance of them cannot be stressed too much. Thank you Sheffield university 11 I don't imagine I can be much use to undergraduates who have such different expectations these days. Just let it be known that it was a very pleasant education - in the first year there was an explicit understanding that undergraduates are going through so much of a life style change that they should be allowed to get on with it. So not counting 1st year marks was quite liberating. Then the other 2 years were suitably challenging, informative and fun. I enjoyed studying English Lit and Philosophy. My only regret is that I didn't make a point of picking the brains of the tutors. I just studied as much as I had to, it is only now I realise the value of talking thoroughly to experts rather then just sticking to the books. Also, I think it is wrong to make all courses vocational. There is a massive amount of indirect value I take from studying philosophy and English. Looking at different, intelligent views of the world is something everyone should study I enjoyed studying philosophy at Sheffield University very much. Looking back the lecturers/staff as well as the seminars were the most valuable in my university career. Even though I know work in a different profession (primary school teaching) the philosophy (and eng lit) degree means very much to me and I am very glad for the things I have learnt at Sheffield University I feel that not only studying history and philosophy but attending the University of Sheffield itself has helped me to get a positive career earlier than anticipated. I would only suggest that the Careers Service were more pro-active at helping final year students apply for graduate positions. I did not apply until I had 2 years work I hope that the philosophy dept at Sheffield is not under pressure to make the degree more vocationally related by taking on unnecessary components. My time in the dept. was wonderful, engaging in debate, analysis and research, in a way that really stimulated my thinking. Whilst I understand that courses and institutions must evolve, it would be a real shame if the structure of the course on offer was forced to change unnecessarily. I left university with very little idea about what I wanted to do and what opportunities were open to me. I stumbled onto my present career path almost by accident. I am now slowly learning about other careers through meeting friends of friends and other mature students on my PT masters and discussing their jobs. I am seriously considering a radical career change, although at 28 the idea of starting near the bottom of the ladder is not an attractive one and has financial implications. I would have appreciated sound and comprehensive careers advice (about the myriad of career paths that exist, not just the normal milk round stuff), at uni and at school, in particular around the career paths that would utilise a combination of numeric, analytical and communication skills that my (wonderful) degree afforded me I think a dual honours degree with a subject more job-applicable will do a student better in their career then a single honours degree My enthusiasm for philosophy is reflected in my doing a PhD, and obviously the next step would be for me to seek an academic job for which the value of philosophy qualifications is obvious. But I am not certain this is what I want, and I might benefit from a change of direction. However, what worries me here is the value of philosophy in other lines of work, and I know others share this worry too. If a careers service were able to gather and present to students data about the value of philosophy to employers this would be of great use to many students in my opinion. Philosophy is not a vocational degree and I think philosophy graduates need support and assistance in trying to find or even think about suitable vocations, at an early stage in the 3rd year. I was a bit shocked on graduating to suddenly be faced with the massive question of what next? You could re-word the questions about employment- as the way they are worded now are closed. I.e. What if the employment is self-employed or freelance for instance, there is no option to describe type of employment as it stands 9. Further Contact 12 70% of respondents are willing to be contacted for future collaboration 10. Summary Respondents were asked if they are still pleased that they chose to study Philosophy: o o o 86.66% of respondents said yes. 13.33% of respondents said that they are unsure. 0% of respondents said no.