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Scythians vs. Greeks: Barbarism & Herodotus's Depictions

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Thesis – are the Scythians really barbarians?
Comparison of the Greeks and Scythians in terms of “barbarism” in table form:
Aspect
Attitude to slavery
Attitude to children
Wars
Religious rituals
Betrayal
Attitude to women
Aestheticization of violence
Observance of morality
Greeks
Slavery was widespread;
slaves were considered
property and had no rights.
Scythians
Slaves were used, but their
status was less structured,
captives were more often
assimilated into society.
In Sparta, weak or sick babies Children were valued as the
were abandoned to die on a
future of the tribe; child abuse
mountain; infanticide was
or murder is not mentioned in
practiced as part of
customs
population control
Frequent and destructive civil Conflicts were aimed at
wars (e.g., Peloponnesian
protecting land or external
war), including the
wars, without destructive
destruction of entire cities
civil strife
(Melos)
The cult of Dionysus
Religious rites were strictly
included orgies and rituals of controlled and aimed at
loss of self-control, which
maintaining social cohesion
may have seen barbaric to the
Scythians
There are known cases of
There are no records of
betrayal for the sake of gain
betrayals among the
(for example, Thebes went
Scythians; they were famous
over to Persians)
for their loyalty to the tribe
In most polises, women were Women, especially among the
deprived of rights, and
Sarmatians, had more
practically did not participate freedoms, could participate in
in social and political life
wars and play significant
roles in public life
Violence was aestheticized in Art more often depicted
tragedy, art, and spectacles,
mythology and nature than
such as theater performances scenes of violence
and competitions
The Greeks could be cruel in The Scythians sought
wars and personal conflicts,
practical solutions and
including the destruction of
avoided excessive cruelty
cities and the extermination
within their tribes
of their populations
This table emphasizes that “barbarity” is a relative concept. Some aspects of Greek culture,
especially those related to the treatment of children, slavery, and internal conflicts, may have
been more brutal than similar practices among the Scythians.
Thesis – Did Herodotus leave one of the most detailed depictions of Scythians?
A table with Herodotus’s main errors about Scythians, refutations, and the years when these
refutations appeared:
Herodotus’s Error
Modern data
Scythians are an IranianOrigin of the Scythians:
mythical origin from Heracles speaking people associated
and a snake-legged woman
with the culture of the
Eurasian steppe
Nomadic way of life: the
The Scythians had fortified
Scythians were exclusively
settlements, for example,
nomads
Scythian Neapolis in Crimea
Geography: the size of the
Geographical data has been
Scythian lands and rivers, for clarified, the real area of the
example, the Borysthenes
Scythians has been
(Dnieper), are greatly
established archaeologically
exaggerated
Customs: using the skulls of The use of skulls is
enemies as cups, mass
confirmed, but mass
sacrifices
sacrifices are unlikely
The role of women: Scythian Burials of female warriors
women were not mentioned
with weapons have been
as participants in military
found, indicating their active
operations
participation in wars
Drunkenness and cannabis The use of cannabis is
use: steam baths using
confirmed, but it probably
cannabis are described as a
had a ritual or medicinal
way of “getting drunk”
value
Isolation: the Scythians were Active trade with the Greeks
a closed people who avoided (amphoras, jewelry, weapons,
contact
have been found) refutes this
statement
Number of troops: Scythian The number of troops is
armies numbered hundreds of significantly smaller, but the
thousands of warriors
Scythians were skilled
warriors
Year of refutation (main
findings)
Late 19th century
(development of comparative
linguistics
20th century, excavations
from 1957-1963
Late 19th-20th century
(topographic studies)
20th century (excavations of
burial mounds, 1920s-1950s)
1980s (excavation of
Scythian burial mounds)
20th century (excavation of
vessels with cannabis
residues)
Late 19th century
(archaeological finds)
20th century (demographic
studies)
Many of Herodotus’s errors have been disproved by archaeology, linguistics, and historical
research, especially since the late 19th century. His work, although inaccurate, remains an
important historical document that reflects the perception of the Scythians in ancient Greece.
If we had the opportunity to ask Herodotus questions today, given our current knowledge and
research, we might focus on refining his descriptions, identifying sources of error, and analyzing
in depth his method of collecting information. Here are some questions that might be appropriate
to ask:
1. About your methods of collecting information
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What specific sources did you use to describe the Scythians? Did you talk to them
directly, or was all your information obtained from third parties (e.g. Greeks, traders,
captives)?
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How did you check the veracity of the stories you heard? Did you have methods to
distinguish fiction from reality?
Why did you sometimes give multiple versions of the same event (e.g. the origin of the
Scythians)? How did you decide which version was more plausible?
2. On Errors and Inaccuracies
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How do you explain the fact that your descriptions of some Scythian customs and
geography do not always match the archaeological evidence? For example, you claimed
that the Scythians never built cities, although there is evidence of fortified settlements.
You wrote about Scythian sacrifices and the use of skulls as cups. Could these
descriptions have been exaggerations or distortions on the part of your sources? Did you
have evidence or were they just stories?
Your world map, especially the description of the lands around the Black Sea, contains
serious errors. Do you think these errors are due to limited information or were there
distortions in the transmission of data?
3. On Bias
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To what extent did your perception of the Scythians depend on the fact that you were
Greek? Do you think your descriptions could have been biased by cultural differences?
You called the Scythians barbarians. Did you really consider them “less civilized” or was
it just the accepted terminology of your time?
How did you feel about the Scythians as a military force? Did you feel admiration,
respect or fear of their power?
4. About myths and legends
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In your descriptions you mention myths, such as the origin of the Scythians from
Hercules and the snake-legged woman. Did you believe in these myths or did you just
consider them an interesting part of the oral tradition that needed to be written down?
Why did you decide to include mythological elements in the historical description? Did
you see it as a way to explain reality or did you consider myths an integral part of
history?
5. About omitted details
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You did not mention many aspects of the daily life of the Scythians, such as their crafts,
the role of women in society or the internal social structure. Why did you decide to focus
on military and ritual aspects?
Did you deliberately omit any aspects of their culture that could have been important for
a more complete description?
6. On the modern view
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How would you feel about modern archaeological discoveries that refute or clarify your
descriptions? For example, that the Scythians were not exclusively nomadic, but also had
sedentary settlements.
If you had access to modern scientific methodology, including archaeology and
anthropology, how would this change your approaches to describing peoples?
Result:
These questions would not only help clarify the historical picture, but also understand how
Herodotus treated his mistakes and what opportunities he saw in working with information. They
would also allow us to delve deeper into his thought process and illuminate his personal
philosophy as a historian.
Research on Herodotus and his descriptions of the Scythians remains relevant and can open up
new horizons in various fields of knowledge. Here are some areas that may be of interest today:
1. Revision of Herodotus’ texts based on new archaeological data
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What to study: Modern finds of Scythian burial mounds, settlements, and artifacts can
be compared with Herodotus’ descriptions. This will help clarify the extent to which his
narrative reflects reality.
Example: An in-depth study of the Scythian rituals described by Herodotus in the
context of new archaeological discoveries.
Value: Will help analyze which of the historical myths may contain a rational grain.
2. Study of the cultural interaction of the Scythians and the Greeks
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What to study: The influence of Greek culture on the Scythians and vice versa.
Herodotus describes trade and cultural ties that can be explored through artifacts.
Example: A study of Greek amphorae found in Scythian burials, or images of Scythians
on Greek pottery.
Value: Will deepen the understanding of the mechanisms of cultural exchange in
antiquity.
3. Ethnogenesis and migrations of the Scythians
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What to study: Comparison of Herodotus’ descriptions of the origins of the Scythians
with modern genetic studies and data on the migrations of the peoples of Eurasia.
Example: Using DNA analysis to confirm or refute the migration theories described by
Herodotus.
Value: Will clarify the historical routes and mechanisms of the spread of Scythian
cultures.
4. Rethinking ideas about the “barbarism” of the Scythians
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What to study: Analysis of descriptions of Scythian customs (sacrifices, burials) in the
context of modern ideas about barbarism and civilization.
Example: Comparison of Scythian rituals with similar customs of other peoples of the
era.
Value: Will help to rethink the term “barbarian” and its use in ancient literature.
5. Ecology and adaptation of the Scythians to the steppe environment
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What to study: How Herodotus described the use of natural resources by the Scythians,
and how these descriptions relate to ecological studies.
Example: Comparison of data on nomadic livestock breeding with descriptions in the
“Histories”.
Value: Reveals the ways in which ancient peoples adapted to steppe ecosystems.
6. The history of the perception of the Scythians in antiquity and today
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What to study: How attitudes towards the Scythians changed over the centuries – from
Herodotus to modern research.
Example: Analysis of texts by ancient and medieval authors describing the Scythians, in
comparison with Herodotus’ data.
Value: Allows you to understand how stereotypes about nomadic peoples were formed.
7. Linguistic analysis of references to the Scythians
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What to study: The linguistic features of the Scythians described by Herodotus in the
context of modern data on the Scythian-Sarmatian languages.
Example: Search for parallels between Scythian words in Herodotus and the languages
of modern peoples.
Value: Deepen knowledge of ancient Iranian languages.
8. Herodotus as an ethnographer: methods and sources
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What to study: How Herodotus collected information about the Scythians, who his
informants were, and what methods he used.
Example: Comparison of his approaches with the methods of modern ethnographers.
Value: Help rethink the role of Herodotus as the “father of history” and his contribution
to ethnography.
9. Comparative analysis with other ancient authors
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What to study: Comparison of descriptions of the Scythians in Herodotus with the texts
of other ancient authors, such as Strabo or Diodorus Siculus.
Example: Analysis of discrepancies in the interpretation of Scythian customs and
cultures.
Value: Clarify the historical picture of the Scythians in antiquity.
10. Interpretation of Myths and Legends about the Scythians
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What to study: The symbolic meaning of the myths about the Scythians, as conveyed by
Herodotus, and their connection with real events.
Example: A study of the myth of Hercules and the snake-legged woman as a possible
reflection of historical migrations.
Value: Will reveal how myths shape the historical perception of peoples.
These areas will help not only to deepen our knowledge of the Scythians, but also to reconsider
the legacy of Herodotus in the light of modern scientific data.
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