I want to use it as discussion questions in the room, but I also want to think about it like is there is someone gonna drop a question in here that I'll use on the exam? To pull one of those and put it righ on the exam and maybe we'll discuss that question. 00:01:07 So only take you know, some people have already done this, but take another like 10 or so minutes to see if you can kind of pull something together and maybe you want to just ask the question like qualitative versus quantitative. Looking at this certain sample size is quantitative. 00:01:32 It's about health factors, right? There's a general there's a question about place. 00:01:41 So we. 00:01:41 Don't have to. 00:01:42 Kind of watch like the weird scroll. 00:01:43 Of the multi-purpose document. 00:01:45 So you have it in. 00:01:46 Front of you. 00:01:48 You can write it on paper as well and drop it in later. 00:01:50 I mean, I kind of just want to use. 00:01:52 This also as like minor evidence of participation. 00:01:55 So you're sitting. 00:01:56 So I see that you're participating and. 00:01:59 I see you're all participating anyway, so great job. 00:02:01 Check mark. 00:02:02 So let's do 10 minutes of that. 00:02:04 Come up with a question and then we'll move to kind of moving our. 00:02:07 Way through some of these questions. 00:02:09 And then responding to the. 00:02:09 Respond it. 00:02:55 No, because it's. 00:02:55 A technical term. 00:02:58 So even though my sort of feel. 00:02:59 I think there's this. 00:03:03 That that is right like there's. 00:03:05 No, I can't think of it. 00:03:22 OK. Back on this survey for a second somewhere we have just like keyword searching for a couple of things. That look up Doctor. 00:12:29 So this sounds. 00:12:30 About Home Care Services, it's HMC again. 00:12:33 Thank you. 00:12:33 Think of the most recent time. 00:12:35 Why didn't you or another member of the household get these services? 00:12:39 So like? 00:12:39 Referring to the question about. 00:12:40 Like, did you get Home Care Services or not? 00:12:44 Not available in the area. 00:12:45 Not available so. 00:12:46 This is really talking to some of the. 00:12:47 Questions on here. 00:12:49 Available at the time required in our waiting time, too long cost to get around bother followed and now we're going to decide services doctors necessary eligible still waiting for home care and other. 00:13:06 So that's kind of the end. 00:13:07 Of that little section I just wanted. 00:13:08 OK. 00:13:09 To flag that. 00:13:10 Because it's really talking about home care. 00:13:13 One of the main things we're talking about here is. 00:13:15 Like who we usually access. 00:13:17 This home canning. 00:13:17 And who doesn't? 00:13:18 Access home care and on the financial side, home care tends to. 00:13:19 OK. 00:13:22 Save us money. 00:13:23 So same thing happens for people with disabilities. 00:13:27 If we think that institutions are going to solve. 00:13:29 Things like putting someone in an. 00:13:30 Institution it's actually costs a lot. 00:13:33 Just like putting somebody in right there. 00:13:36 Process about $120,000 a year to put somebody in prison. 00:13:40 And have them. 00:13:40 Housed, whereas to get somebody housing even in Edmonton. 00:13:44 I mean, here we get it done first. 00:13:47 $20,000. 00:13:49 You know like. 00:13:49 For food like, it's not going to cost. 00:13:51 $120,000. 00:13:52 And still survive in it. 00:13:54 Even in return. 00:13:56 Sleep outside. 00:13:58 OK. 00:13:58 Should we? 00:13:59 Do you want to see your questions? 00:14:01 Up here or should? 00:14:02 We let go of now and. 00:14:03 We kind of read your question. 00:14:06 That's when the best. 00:14:34 Is acting up right here. 00:14:37 Wants to voice their question and see. 00:14:39 What kind of insightful? 00:14:40 Answers are going to have. 00:14:46 So your words here or no? 00:14:49 It doesn't. 00:14:50 In your opinion, the social relationships with family or friends. 00:14:55 Supporting socially isolated. 00:14:57 What factors would any relationships? 00:15:01 Next, so let's just be like really fluid about that. 00:15:04 So like anybody can answer this question right, it's like because it's. 00:15:08 Like in your opinion. 00:15:10 It's like a personal question. 00:15:11 It's social relationships with family or friends contribute to the most contribute. 00:15:16 The most to supporting socially isolated. 00:15:21 So you can think about like for yourself or you can think about things that you have seen, right? 00:15:26 So like maybe you have an example in your life where some friend who's not related by blood, you know, does all this service. 00:15:34 And yeah, just like tell us about what experience you have and what factors, what factors within these relationships? 00:15:40 That was their quality of life. 00:15:43 The person's quality of. 00:15:44 Who looks who's needing care? 00:15:46 Yeah. So what? 00:15:47 Would we think? 00:15:49 Family, friends, I mean, westerns and things disrupt family today. 00:16:00 Disrupt families. 00:16:02 Tell me more about money, disrupt families. 00:16:05 Suppose that the and also provide for example. 00:16:09 Open to this. 00:16:10 My father is an I'll make. 00:16:11 Enough money for us like. 00:16:13 And now he's struggling because like my mom and I like ohh song you. 00:16:18 And there's a few dialysis stuff and. 00:16:19 You have to do the own things now and like. 00:16:23 So, and perhaps it sounds like maybe some great relationships maybe right, so. 00:16:33 Then there's the social dynamic. 00:16:35 So does he have friends to like? 00:16:36 We're not there. 00:16:37 Being people OK, we're just like I'm asking. 00:16:39 Questions, yeah. 00:16:40 He have friends and it's like. 00:16:42 Pretty much like isolated somewhere buddy. 00:16:45 Before when. 00:16:45 You could. 00:16:46 Says the urban or rural. 00:16:48 He would be arrogant like we're we're an earthly. 00:16:51 OK. 00:16:51 So what do you think his likelihood? 00:16:54 Is to go. 00:16:55 To seeking medical health in any kind of. 00:16:58 Way he has, like really like good access like. 00:17:03 And the card there come into. 00:17:06 From our house. 00:17:07 Will he go? 00:17:08 Yeah, he goes like he's always regular diet doctors or whatever. 00:17:13 OK, so there's this issue, yeah. 00:17:20 I mean, that sounds kind of sad. 00:17:23 At the end. 00:17:25 Did you say? 00:17:27 That, but yeah. Yeah, so. 00:17:32 Can you speak a little bit about that example and how? 00:17:35 It's influencing his quality. 00:17:37 Yeah, it's holy in life, right? 00:17:39 Now is like it's stable because of his. 00:17:42 Access to going through. 00:17:43 You know the doctors and. 00:17:44 Clinics and stuff, OK, so we can. 00:17:45 He has good access. 00:17:46 He's not. 00:17:47 In a rural. 00:17:47 Place he could get there quickly. 00:17:49 We can, right? 00:17:50 So he's able to maintain an actual particular schedule where you can imagine a rural person, especially male. 00:17:51 Actually give your. 00:17:56 Just might not. 00:17:57 Go like I imagine. 00:18:00 My grandfather, living on a farm like. 00:18:02 40 minutes away from me, right? 00:18:04 Not even a city like a town like, is there a doctor is like, it's just like I'm just just not going to go right or. 00:18:10 You know even further. 00:18:14 Does anyone else want to add to this one? 00:18:15 Like do you have an example in your family or some? 00:18:18 Sort of friend situation that contributes to. 00:18:20 Especially isolated people. 00:18:22 Thanks so much for. 00:18:23 Yeah, giving us a question. 00:18:25 It was response. 00:18:28 Maybe someone wants to tie into the paper, but if not, that's OK we can also. 00:18:31 Go to the next. 00:18:32 Yeah, people talk about this. 00:18:34 Yeah, I feel like. 00:18:35 Also, like even if you get the hospital visit. 00:18:44 So you feel like you don't have the one coming. 00:18:47 You have to go back in the future because you don't. 00:18:49 In sleep. 00:18:52 You go to the hospital. 00:18:54 Me and his family were the. 00:18:55 Only ones that visited his friends and. 00:18:57 Now he like. 00:18:59 And this table experience. 00:19:01 Have you been here too? 00:19:03 Does that give a shout by himself inside of the place you have to go get help but. 00:19:07 Probably come to visit. 00:19:09 From the social. 00:19:10 Isolation anyways, even though you're getting prepared. 00:19:14 So we're learning there is like the care is. 00:19:16 Brought in just like. 00:19:19 Value and also like I think you're mentioning here, which is like it's. 00:19:23 If you're living in like rural remote parts of. 00:19:25 This place we call Canada. 00:19:28 You might have. 00:19:28 To fly like 4 hours to a hospital or Medical Center to see. 00:19:33 A doctor that's here. 00:19:34 If you want to. 00:19:35 Yeah, like. 00:19:36 You have to go by yourself. 00:19:37 Let's imagine you're. 00:19:38 Like in your equipment like you read Central Hospital 4 hours away by yourself? 00:19:43 Like, just like all those levels of vulnerability and. 00:19:48 This is associated with my, so my health outcomes. 00:19:51 Might be worse. 00:19:55 They actually need. 00:19:56 But it's probably. 00:19:57 Gonna be a. 00:19:57 Different experience, right? 00:19:58 It doesn't have to be, but. 00:20:02 Go to another question somebody else you might want to tell us their questions so they could they want to hear the answer right there. 00:20:07 There's a curiosity of part of the person. 00:20:09 Who writes the question to be like? 00:20:10 How is someone? 00:20:11 Else going to answer this. 00:20:12 So thank you. 00:20:13 Thank you. 00:20:14 Thank you. 00:20:21 My questions answered. 00:20:28 Social situation. 00:20:36 Great, I love this too, because like. 00:20:38 So somebody give us the textbook response. 00:20:42 Someone give me the textbook response to this question because this would be like I would ask a question. 00:20:47 It sounds like this. 00:20:48 I would also ask that other question but. 00:20:50 On this one. 00:20:51 It's like, what is the technical response because there is kind of a right wrong answer relative to this paper, OK, like fuzzy and. 00:20:56 This paper tries to give us some minor. 00:21:03 Concrete sort of stuff so. 00:21:04 We can answer this. 00:21:07 I have one. 00:21:07 For you, I was reading I think. 00:21:09 Towards the end. 00:21:10 How on 194. Yeah. So it says the states address. 00:21:13 The older one service system are the rural areas. 00:21:21 They're isolation kind of help on. 00:21:22 Getting position. 00:21:25 Yeah, that was kind of like a pretty interesting line that like you might go visit the doctor for someone to talk to. 00:21:35 From what? 00:21:36 Like imagining myself so. 00:21:42 Yeah. OK. 00:21:48 The doctor says that like, we're feel good. 00:21:52 OK and that. 00:21:53 Actually might have like just think. 00:21:55 About like the the net benefit to your grandmother for like longevity, if she feels like that sense of joy, her but being and knowledge right always base level. 00:22:04 Things to just. 00:22:05 Being human. 00:22:06 And it's not about her going to need pathology because she. 00:22:10 Going to be having. 00:22:10 The chat right like look the. 00:22:12 Chat and get 10 minutes. 00:22:13 Thank you for Doctor, Office, pharmacy and all the girls that work in the pharmacy. 00:22:17 You know where as well. 00:22:18 And so she. 00:22:18 Goes and talks to them and. 00:22:20 Gets apartment, so she kind of. 00:22:21 Enjoys working at all for us. 00:22:23 Yeah, there is a sociology in the second, but. 00:22:30 Just this. 00:22:33 Now, if you're like, sounds like your grandmother might be living at home and not working. 00:22:38 Yeah. No, she looks. 00:22:38 In an apartment. 00:22:42 OK. 00:22:43 So like in our. 00:22:45 Lives we usually kind of have. 00:22:46 Like these things. 00:22:48 So it's like we live somewhere and then. 00:22:50 You usually work or go. 00:22:52 School somewhere. And then you have this like other Thursdays where you might actually bump into people who are not always like 100% just like, because like at home we bumped into people that are pretty. 00:23:04 At school. 00:23:04 Or at work or kind. 00:23:05 Of like, yeah, people are. 00:23:06 They have. 00:23:07 The similarity doing the same thing, you're. 00:23:09 All students. 00:23:10 So there's like that factor. 00:23:12 And then the. 00:23:12 3rd space, so maybe he played like you end up like going to this. 00:23:18 There's basically your grandmother. 00:23:20 You have this thing. 00:23:21 This thing might be gone. 00:23:22 I don't know if. 00:23:23 There's volunteers for living though, OK? 00:23:25 So like I know she has that thing. 00:23:27 Right. 00:23:27 Like maybe it's a volunteer thing. 00:23:30 So just in. 00:23:31 Terms of like a. 00:23:32 Social diet in order to. 00:23:33 Stay connected with things. 00:23:36 Need some measure of this. 00:23:37 And it doesn't always. 00:23:38 Have to be equal. 00:23:39 It's kind of. 00:23:39 Like this is a also a Venn diagram. 00:23:42 So Venn diagram, just in case you're not totally aware of those Venn diagram, it's. 00:23:46 When those circles collide. 00:23:48 And they cross. 00:23:49 Over space. 00:23:50 So maybe it's like you live. 00:23:52 And it's like how? 00:23:53 Much time do you spend here work? 00:23:57 So anytime you see like the bubbles. 00:23:59 That cross over? 00:24:00 Those are called Venn diagrams and they could just be. 00:24:03 Like 2. 00:24:04 Sometimes it's three, so it's like where is. 00:24:06 That real place, an intersection and and. 00:24:08 If you just one. 00:24:08 Of these things away. 00:24:10 Like you didn't have work or you didn't have a third space. 00:24:13 Now your life, kind of like from a objective perspective, looks like it's. 00:24:17 Might be missing something. 00:24:19 That's like for you. 00:24:20 Maybe you have like more. 00:24:21 Or less needs regarding like how much do you need to work or feel validated like in the Japan paper, right? 00:24:27 It's like that, one woman says. 00:24:28 Like, my husband is like his work is his life. 00:24:30 That's his identity. 00:24:31 That's his purpose. 00:24:32 That's his Kanye. 00:24:33 And if he doesn't have that thing, he probably died, right? 00:24:36 So if you need that thing. 00:24:37 Different measures and different cultures. 00:24:40 Yeah, just. 00:24:42 Speaking to that, I think having like like. 00:24:47 Balance your search spaces where you live and where to go to school. 00:24:55 It's important, and that brings me to the point. 00:24:57 Of like speaking. 00:24:58 From personal experience, I used to rely very, very heavily on the professional support, so like counselors. 00:25:07 Dietitians, you know doctors, you know, whatever professional supports for my health. 00:25:14 Instead of reaching out to my immediate family, my friends. 00:25:19 And now that I said I was horrible, because even though I was getting those like pologize supports. 00:25:27 I was not getting in all of them because I didn't have much meaning in my more immediate community of being able to talk about what is going on in those thirty spaces and be able to sort of assess myself and figure out what you need to know and much more about do I have lots of friends. 00:25:32 Right. 00:25:35 OK. 00:25:38 Right. 00:25:48 I have my family and I have commercial. 00:25:53 Yeah, thanks for sharing that. 00:25:54 I think one of. 00:25:55 The things you identified there was like. 00:25:57 And we think it's. 00:25:57 And you're doing one thing so. 00:26:00 Like you're going to go see support people or professionals and we think that's a social thing, like your grandmother's interest. 00:26:06 That's like a sort of a different thing like this one is like going to see people. 00:26:10 It's like, oh, I'm actually seeing a lot of people, but that's not really a friend relationship. 00:26:13 You know. 00:26:18 OK. 00:26:19 Thanks so much for your question. 00:26:20 Thanks, John Speaker, thank. 00:26:22 OK, let's hear to hear what's going on in the back of the room right now. 00:26:25 Here, thinner back there. 00:26:27 That's a little bit further back. 00:26:28 Thank you. 00:26:30 I just had something that popped. 00:26:31 Up in my head when it said how it was gender influence. 00:26:34 It specifically in relation to my grandpa with men. 00:26:39 So it said that men are less likely to go. 00:26:44 To the hospital because. 00:26:46 Until they're yeah, they go for. 00:26:47 Cortana, do you have friends? 00:26:54 And the. 00:26:54 I think that's going to go way back to them, like especially my grandpa, when he was younger, he was the only man in the family. 00:27:01 He had to take care. 00:27:02 Of four sisters, his mom, his aunt. 00:27:05 Because all his all the. 00:27:06 Other male figures got conscripted into the wolf. 00:27:11 Into the war. 00:27:13 And as a result, he's always been provided. 00:27:16 He's always been the rock and he can't. 00:27:19 The doctor or. 00:27:19 He can't go to the doctor because they're he could never be. 00:27:23 Out of Commission, right and. 00:27:26 I think that that older mentality of men when they were younger was carried over and that's what's really influenced. 00:27:33 At least in my graphics case here. 00:27:34 Is part of this help? 00:28:16 That his wife had to tell. 00:28:17 Him. You know what's gonna. 00:28:19 Really bad because they just don't. 00:28:21 Come in like, even if they. 00:28:22 Not be able to. 00:28:23 Are able to. 00:28:24 Just don't drink like. 00:28:27 I want to see if we can talk any kind of thing like. 00:28:30 Being the man being the strong. 00:28:33 The wrong right? What's really? 00:28:35 Cool is like. 00:28:36 We can give these. 00:28:37 Personal anecdotes. 00:28:39 Because we all just read this paper so we can kind of test each other to be like. 00:28:44 Is that validated by this paper and? 00:28:46 Like we're, we're only. 00:28:47 Working with one paper, we don't have like all the literature on how people access healthcare and gender and place, right? 00:28:54 So, but we can at least point to one thing and go like hey, but look right. 00:28:58 Like what? 00:28:58 This is sort of being. 00:29:00 More now, at least in one study, so you set it up. 00:29:03 You say I'm gonna respond to this question, and then I'm going to tell you about my grandfather. 00:29:07 And I'm gonna tell you how. 00:29:08 Like in the paper. 00:29:09 On page 194, they. 00:29:10 Actually say this thing. 00:29:12 See see. 00:29:17 Right. 00:29:28 I think this is the stigma about like and this sort of masculinity like complex that. 00:29:36 That men hold for themselves. 00:29:39 And so they see it as a weakness because it's like well. 00:29:43 I'm sick or I went well and I don't even know because I can handle it myself. 00:29:49 And if I do show that I need help, it's the whole goes back to that asking for help and receiving help and threatens the masculinity. 00:29:58 And you get back something. 00:30:01 If you are experiencing boxing. 00:30:05 So you could take the response that you're giving. 00:30:08 So if you want to bring in toxic masculinity like I'm just talking about this, how you would respond on the exam, bring in the constant toxic masculinity use that example of the rock type like that. 00:30:17 And actually, that historical piece is great too, because it's like if all other. 00:30:21 And in the group have been removed and now you're the single male kind of person in that group that also. 00:30:28 Changes the Social bank, right? 00:30:30 So that's the kind of responsibility. 00:30:32 How does that thing relate? 00:30:33 Toxic masculinity relates to like your perception of what you've seen, and then how does the research here at least one example like how does it affect that? 00:30:38 Is it? 00:30:42 OK, cool. 00:30:43 All right, let's move further then. 00:30:45 Yes, thank you. 00:30:46 Row 3. 00:30:48 Ohh I'm just. 00:30:48 Going to say when I wrote my question, I didn't write it like from an exam. 00:30:52 Like I went. 00:30:53 For like because we we scrolled through all of those questions. 00:30:57 I thought we were like coming up with research questions. 00:31:00 So I just wanted to like. 00:31:02 Have a section where if we were, if we were the ones doing this. 00:31:06 Paper where we would have like a more in depth analysis about. 00:31:09 A specific line in this paper. 00:31:12 Do you want to read your question? 00:31:14 Maybe we could go about that. 00:31:15 Would be anonymous. 00:31:19 How do you? 00:31:19 Mean distinguish. 00:31:22 How do you men distinguish the difference between friend and confident? 00:31:25 Why is this distinction made? 00:31:27 Is there a fear of intimacy with the idea of labeling a friendship? 00:31:30 Is there a fear that challenges the typical male male stereotype of not needing emotional support like women so? 00:31:36 I just wanted to piggyback off of the conversations. 00:31:39 That were being bad. 00:31:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:41 So can someone in row three or four help us out here with an answer response to something in like, maybe you'll hear what you're looking for. 00:31:50 Maybe you want, you can tell us more about what. 00:31:51 You're hoping to hear about, OK? 00:32:00 Because you see four or five points rather than like. 00:32:09 I think he just carries on a single enter. 00:32:12 He even with friends who played out there having a good time, whereas in the smaller instead of happening. 00:32:29 Right. 00:32:30 13 there's like different things, health and everything. 00:32:37 So on this topic is we really. 00:32:38 Seem to be talking now about masculinity. 00:32:43 But there's a documentary off. 00:32:44 That show to students and expected somewhere on that, but something. 00:32:48 But the documentary saw. 00:32:49 The mask you live in. 00:32:50 And they. 00:32:50 Sort of look at at all the. 00:32:52 Ways in which we essentially in our culture, teach. 00:32:55 Boys to become particular kinds of men to do those raw things and not go to the doctor and not. 00:33:01 Talk about the. 00:33:02 Is that not right? 00:33:03 Blah blah. 00:33:03 Blah, this documentary really great there, but again. 00:33:07 I'm trying really hard. 00:33:09 Documentary because I love using the docking class for this one. 00:33:12 Like, let's do. 00:33:12 It totally different. 00:33:14 So eat another class like I'll probably end up showing this like you. 00:33:17 Want to go? 00:33:17 Find it. 00:33:18 It's good. 00:33:19 And they also do this really neat thing, which is. 00:33:22 No, they have a graph which is talking about like masculinity and femininity. 00:33:27 So they do like, OK, let's just say masculinity is over here. 00:33:32 And just again, this is kind of like stereotypical forms of masculinity, and maybe this is like some sort of, like, neutral middle ground. 00:33:40 And what they found on their kind of graph that they draw in the film is that there is another color, but I don't have. 00:33:49 Another issue. 00:33:53 So for masculinity. 00:33:55 This is my masculinity line and this is my femininity line. 00:34:05 Come to the same top. 00:34:14 They talk about the debts, which is like basically when you get people to identify, like how masculine or how feminine is, do you feel that, you know, present yourself in? 00:34:23 The world your emotional. 00:34:26 You know, capacity, your emotional resilience. 00:34:28 All sorts of things. 00:34:29 They basically find out, like most people are actually. 00:34:31 Sitting here, kind of. 00:34:32 In the middle. 00:34:33 And it's like only at the extremes. 00:34:36 You people really play up the notion of, like, the NFL football player and the, you know, the playback on. 00:34:44 Yeah, but yeah, great. 00:34:45 The Barbie doll, right? 00:34:46 So most of us are. 00:34:48 Actually kind of sitting here in this middle thing. 00:34:50 And yet those words of these gender expressive words around femininity and masculinity are so powerful in the culture, yet there's a minority. 00:34:58 Not like. 00:35:01 Super messed up. 00:35:03 In the binary again. 00:35:05 Yeah, implicating a binary. 00:35:07 And yet, like the Venn diagram of this. 00:35:11 Is basically like this. 00:35:12 It's like it's on top of itself. 00:35:14 There's like these minor aspects. 00:35:16 And again, if I try to draw quickly, but the drawings are. 00:35:23 Right on top of one another. 00:35:26 Are we getting that door question or no? 00:35:29 Yeah, yeah, we're good. 00:35:30 Just more like a research base versus. 00:35:33 Sure. Yeah. And that? No. 00:35:33 Like an exam question. 00:35:34 But like, that's good too because like I could ask this kind of question as well like explain to me how some of these questions or like how. 00:35:41 These questions can be added to this research study, and we might need to know these things more. 00:35:46 I mean another way to write this out would be like I could give you this question. 00:35:50 Would you give us this question translate? 00:35:52 That's now for how you would see it on that study, right on the what's it called the? 00:36:00 Just between Canadian Community health service, how would you translate this idea into questions on the Canada? 00:36:08 So like you'd have to kind of work to break it apart and then try to ask questions that have, like numbers like 1 to 10, right? 00:36:16 For example, you know for for men. 00:36:19 So you'd have to ask like first of all, like, hey, we're going to go gender or spectrum. 00:36:22 Yeah. Do you, like, identify? 00:36:24 What's the difference between friend and confidant? 00:36:26 So it's like you might want to be saying things like. 00:36:33 Do you need? 00:36:33 Like there's a translation problem here, like how? 00:36:34 Public public outing communication, yeah. 00:36:35 Do you ask him? 00:36:38 Have you asked this question about like? 00:36:40 Do you have friends? 00:36:42 Do you have comments like how do you confide like? 00:36:44 Do what level do you confide in? 00:36:46 So you're gonna give somebody a scale of like 1 to 10? 00:36:48 Do you have a best friend and you can confide in? 00:36:50 Maybe that's a question. 00:36:52 Do you have a friend, a close person, that you could confine? 00:36:55 And maybe then what the research would bear out is that if men have a opposite sex partner, that they're going to confide in that person. 00:37:02 Because women have a broader spread. 00:37:04 Of who they can find, probably what we would do right? 00:37:05 OK. 00:37:09 Very complex question. 00:37:15 Do we just go? 00:37:16 To this end, part of your question, because we kind of heard. 00:37:16 Part of your. 00:37:18 This other side of. 00:37:19 The room. 00:37:20 But we haven't. 00:37:20 Heard of it? 00:37:21 So talk to me about what? 00:37:24 What sorts of emotional support do women express or need or look for? 00:37:30 Like what? 00:37:31 Are we seeing? 00:37:31 In our range of experience. 00:37:34 What is different about? 00:37:36 Why does it happen? 00:37:38 How are like again mask you live in and actually talks about this as well and it asks like, OK, so we do this thing to boys, we teach them to essentially put the football hopping on and not cry. 00:37:49 So what are we doing to women to teach them to do particular things with emotions and why? 00:37:56 In this paper, they actually give this one description where they say pastoral and rural landscapes are essentially given up as feminine and then industrial cities, urban, you know. 00:38:04 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:09 Supposed to be just like masculine hardscape. 00:38:12 Right. 00:38:13 I feel about that, yeah. 00:38:14 There's nothing else, Sir. 00:38:15 You just, like, hit something for me? 00:38:19 Write it down, but it was. 00:38:20 On something else and it was close to that. 00:38:22 And I believe it. 00:38:23 Was about roles. 00:38:24 And saying like females, what was it like wives? 00:38:30 Mothers, daughters, something like this. 00:38:32 And then males were. 00:38:35 Mentors, brothers. 00:38:38 Something else? 00:38:38 And I made a note. 00:38:39 Like, well, why we're members. 00:38:42 When we were wise. 00:38:44 Like because yeah. 00:38:46 That's why it was the author choosing to use. 00:38:48 Those it's like. 00:38:51 And maybe the author, they said that somewhere here, yeah. 00:38:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:38:55 I wrote it down. 00:38:57 So is that just like a? 00:38:59 Say again? 00:39:01 Right. 00:39:02 There's no smart. 00:39:07 Can you give me your access to the air? 00:39:10 On the top of. 00:39:13 Mother's daughters. 00:39:16 And fathers, mentors and brothers, daughters, wives. Mentors, brothers. 00:39:24 Hey country. 00:39:25 Where you just set up perfect example of like. 00:39:36 Right. So when the culture. 00:39:38 Culture keeps like telling us particular things. 00:39:41 That we need to. 00:39:41 Be in those roles and obviously just left. 00:39:44 But I want to talk about like when. 00:39:45 You're a patient. 00:39:47 And so there's this really neat anthropological study where the doctors and some medical doctors. 00:39:51 Who works at a. 00:39:52 Hospital and she's there every day. 00:39:53 She keeps hearing from patients that like the patient. 00:39:56 Seems to be. 00:39:57 Being treated poorly. 00:39:59 And the doctor's like, oh, I don't really see us. 00:40:01 So she decides one day to come to the doctor wearing the clothing of a typical patient in the hospital. 00:40:08 Right. 00:40:08 So she's not wearing, like, some green pants and like, just like a hoodie, whatever. 00:40:13 And she's just kind of hanging out in the hospital and she's not wearing her doctor. 00:40:17 Uniform and she was went so far. 00:40:19 As to like be in the same. 00:40:21 Elevator with two of her closest colleagues, and they didn't even notice. 00:40:26 In the hospital, in the elevator. 00:40:28 So it's like because of the role that we play because of the kind of costumes that we're encouraged to put on those roles, do that same damage that we do. 00:40:33 This is where. 00:40:38 And we're doing. 00:40:39 Gender to 1. 00:40:40 Another so however. 00:40:41 Someone is costume. 00:40:42 That changes the. 00:40:43 Way that we perceive them and treat them. I mean, there's a Bob's Burgers episode where, like Bob puts on a suit one day. It doesn't matter if he knows. 00:40:50 It's like he usually. 00:40:50 Wears like. 00:40:51 T-shirt and, like sweatpants, OK, but. 00:40:53 If you put on a suit, then people all of. 00:40:55 A sudden started. 00:40:55 To treat him differently. 00:40:56 Right. 00:40:57 Oh, yes. 00:40:57 Right. 00:40:58 So yeah, you cannot have your parking ticket because you're obviously an upstanding. 00:41:01 Member of the community, right. 00:41:04 So what else can we say about this? 00:41:05 Like this mentorship thing and you just said it. 00:41:08 So can I not be a? 00:41:09 Tour right? 00:41:14 Talk to me about the female mentors. 00:41:19 You have to be a girl. 00:41:20 Boss, how do you do it? 00:41:25 Is there a culture of mentorship among women? 00:41:28 Certain time is talking. 00:41:29 One point are most. 00:41:30 Educated, educated. 00:41:31 The the ones that are most do they offer mentorship or do they cut down? 00:41:36 Anybody who's trying to come? 00:41:39 Right. 00:41:41 That's OK. 00:41:41 That's OK. 00:41:42 It's like, think about it yet. 00:41:43 Ohh, good. 00:41:44 Now we've got it. 00:41:46 If you like. 00:41:46 Really difficult because. 00:41:47 Like as a leader. 00:41:48 As a female, you're like, nice and kind. 00:41:51 And you're seeing more of like leading and. 00:41:53 Something like that. 00:41:55 Yeah, but if. 00:41:55 You're someone who's a little more like demanding. 00:41:58 Then you're seeing this whole. 00:42:01 Which I've also noticed that. 00:42:05 Women mentors, they're usually brought back even when they're not blood related or related in any way. 00:42:11 They call it like a sisterhood. 00:42:12 Or something like. 00:42:13 That and it's like. 00:42:15 It's back to. 00:42:16 The idea of family right where it's like. 00:42:18 It seems that. 00:42:18 Have been will only help someone who's within. 00:42:21 Their own circle instead of kind of branching. 00:42:23 Out into another. 00:42:26 OK. 00:42:27 So something there about like family histories, OK. 00:42:30 More than another one. 00:42:32 I think there's like a. 00:42:33 Certain vulnerability that a woman has to have in order to ask another woman to mentor or like you have to be able to see something and someone and say hey, that person has something that I want and be willing to be vulnerable saying like hey. 00:42:45 Can you teach me or mentor me in this area, right. 00:42:48 Like that takes a certain amount of vulnerability that a lot of people just don't have. 00:42:52 The humility. 00:42:52 To walk it. 00:42:55 Right. 00:42:57 So the community it takes to ask, and the humility that it takes to mentor. 00:43:01 Something. OK, so. 00:43:02 Both, yeah. 00:43:04 Yeah, would be the mentor. 00:43:05 Are you saying that men have more humility because they're mentors? 00:43:08 I'm not seeing that many necessarily have. 00:43:10 More humility. 00:43:11 I'm just saying it's an expectation. 00:43:13 They're like they they step. 00:43:14 Into that role fluid. 00:43:16 Whereas, like with women, there's this vulnerability aspect on both sides. 00:43:20 Like if somebody approached me and be like, can you mention me? 00:43:23 I'm like, do I have this skill set? 00:43:24 To mentor you like and but. 00:43:26 If I wanted to. 00:43:27 Go and approach like another woman. 00:43:29 Be like, hey, you have something that I that I want you help me it would you. 00:43:33 Know it's just like you're putting. 00:43:34 Yourself out there versus like. 00:43:36 Could you go to it? 00:43:37 I would. 00:43:38 I would do it, but I would be scared doing it, would it? 00:43:41 It wouldn't be comfortable. 00:43:42 I'd be in embracing the uncomfortability. 00:43:45 How do you think it feels when someone is asked to be a mentor to some? 00:43:50 This is like a across the spectrum, right? 00:43:53 Because like on the one hand, you're saying like that person. 00:43:55 Might feel like pretty good about themselves and. 00:43:58 On the other. 00:43:58 They might feel like they don't really have anything. 00:44:00 That they can share to other people. 00:44:02 So that's like humility there in the sense of, like, downplaying your own skills. 00:44:07 Yeah, at the. 00:44:09 Back just I'm getting a little confused and. 00:44:09 Which woman do you bring? 00:44:14 To explain, I think people from different times and different places think different. 00:44:20 So when it comes to gender, I'm really. 00:44:23 I try not to comment because I find my ideas written. 00:44:27 I kind of get it. 00:44:30 But I feel like there's always this thing as like in the people we read before us, but them so any. 00:44:39 I think we're trying to. 00:44:43 Uh, show the difference about men and women. 00:44:47 I did that. 00:44:50 We are doing the gender they're trying to, we're trying to. 00:44:56 They say. 00:44:58 When we are trying to. 00:45:01 Voice those concerns about how we're doing gender to each other. 00:45:06 I think we kind of validated the that process of gender doing and to to give an example, come from. 00:45:17 Where we had like some racial problems and the lot of. 00:45:20 People hurt each other. 00:45:22 So when I went back, I realized for them trying to. 00:45:27 Eliminate that issue. 00:45:30 They went on our old ideas don't put like also. 00:45:34 And so is this race. 00:45:36 My friend. 00:45:36 So they eliminated that. 00:45:39 I think it makes sense because then people know focus on those race. 00:45:46 So I think in the same line when I say agenda, so if I walk in here mostly. 00:45:53 Personally, I don't really see too much. 00:45:55 Difference at all? 00:45:56 It's a girl. 00:45:57 It's a boy. 00:45:57 Regular students. 00:45:58 Yeah, in this place. 00:45:59 Yeah, but. 00:46:03 When I listen to this then it feels like ohh men of us are against women women, you know, but at the end of the day. 00:46:14 Ah, this when I was reading this paper I see some stats where it says like. 00:46:22 Female from age 1918 to 20, something that even poverty when they live on their own. But I think even for. 00:46:31 Not only for clothes, even for boys. 00:46:33 OK. 00:46:33 So it is like just like. 00:46:36 Younger people will say younger people maybe when they live on their own at that age, maybe they have they. 00:46:42 Live in poverty. 00:46:43 And so when we look at this paper. 00:46:47 We are like using those papers if it's really its ideas, but the author wrote the paper. 00:46:55 In mind, like with the goal to convince us about certain topic. 00:47:02 So we can't use it as like a. 00:47:06 Well, I'm going to debate you on that, especially your last point that you're making a case that. 00:47:13 That the author wrote it to try to make. 00:47:15 A certain point. 00:47:17 So the what the the author tried to do, just clarify what the author tried to do was take the question of how does gender and where somebody lives. 00:47:28 How do those factors right? 00:47:30 So it's just like those are pretty basic questions like what gender do you define yourself as and where do you live? 00:47:36 That's not I'm not even. 00:47:38 Arguing anything, it's just. 00:47:39 Like, how do those factors relate to how somebody accesses the healthcare system? 00:47:44 OK. 00:47:44 So like we have taken the conversation towards like how do we treat gender rhythmic? 00:47:50 Culture, but those aren't inside of the paper inside of the paper. 00:47:55 All that's there is regarding gender. 00:47:58 Male, female. 00:47:59 In this paper, we'll just leave it there. 00:48:01 Male, female and where they live, how do people access care? 00:48:05 That's not the author trying to make a. 00:48:08 They're not making an ontological claim. 00:48:10 All they're doing is saying this is what the statistics say and they're not trying to convince us of anything. 00:48:16 They're merely trying to say with the limited data that we do have, here's what we see. 00:48:22 Now they're wondering do we need to have particular kinds of concerns? 00:48:27 Men or women in urban or rural places, and who needs to have some attention placed on, that's what they're. 00:48:35 Zack, clarify because our conversation in the room is definitely talking about things that go beyond the paper, but I keep trying to pull us back to like, what does the paper argument present? 00:48:45 OK, yeah. 00:48:47 So maybe we'll leave it there. 00:48:49 We can discuss after as well and if you want to sort of like come back with another sort of question comments, right, but I would. 00:48:56 100% argue that what they're trying to do is represent the statistical analysis that they were. 00:49:03 Able to come up with. 00:49:04 And I don't think that they have a particular. 00:49:09 Motive that is trying to. 00:49:12 Build up or breakdown some other group, right? 00:49:14 They're not trying to so. 00:49:16 That kind of division. 00:49:19 Thank you. 00:49:20 I'm not against. 00:49:21 I'm just. 00:49:22 Trying to process it. 00:49:22 Yeah, yeah, I'm and I'm just trying to process it so that we can all kind of like hear the way that, like, I'm reading it, what we're trying to give and and how the conversation is broad, right. 00:49:32 And these are like we're going off of questions that individual people have. 00:49:36 So those interests are going to be much bigger than just what's here. 00:49:40 But what I'm hoping we can do is like, tie it back to like. 00:49:44 I see this thing in my life, but then I also see it represented here at some way. 00:49:49 OK, so we're just trying to. 00:49:50 Like make those. 00:49:53 Do we have another? 00:49:55 I mean like let's do one more question. 00:49:56 More quests? 00:49:58 He's a pretty, pretty power. 00:50:02 How about row? 00:50:02 Four, what's going on in row 4? 00:50:05 I'm looking at you real far. 00:50:07 Row 5. 00:50:10 You got a question for us, everyone. 00:50:11 In row four or five as well. 00:50:13 What do you think of that? 00:50:28 I'll ask my question, then I put how can conceptual and operational challenges be addressed to obtain more meaningful insights into social isolation patterns? 00:50:37 And I think I was just kind of thinking about myself and sometimes, like you might consider. 00:50:44 Like some of my life to be socially isolated, but I don't like I could spend the whole summer at the lake by myself and not feel socially isolated. 00:50:58 Are you without? 00:51:02 At the lake I. 00:51:03 Yeah, I guess I still have it all there. 00:51:04 Right? 00:51:05 But like, I mean, as far as. 00:51:09 I don't know. 00:51:10 I don't know. 00:51:11 The neighbors there. 00:51:12 Yeah, all the time, yeah. 00:51:15 So that's not socially. 00:51:18 Let's just like I'm just backing it up here. 00:51:20 Like you appreciate what going to the lake might mean to like removal from everyday life. 00:51:28 Yes, yeah, yeah. 00:51:29 But yeah, it sounds like it's still pretty social if you're accessing the thing calling people and bumping into neighbors. 00:51:34 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:37 That sounds like actually highly social. 00:51:39 OK. 00:51:40 Then I was sort of, I guess I was thinking about. 00:51:42 Your life. 00:51:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:43 But then some of the, like, older ladies is who is, like, kind of like who I connect with down there. 00:51:48 And I'm thinking about their being sort of socially isolated also. 00:51:52 Right. 00:51:52 Hanging out together. 00:51:53 With you at the coffee shop or something. 00:51:54 No, they are. 00:51:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:58 Let's just, but we want to clarify because that's a good example because it's like we might actually like. 00:52:02 Your example mostly was like if I go to see health professionals, I'm kind of doing the social. 00:52:07 It's like, you know. 00:52:08 And you're like, if I leave my community like town and go to this other place, and how can it be so? 00:52:12 Yeah, yeah. 00:52:13 But you're actually both doing like the opposite thing you're saying. 00:52:16 Like I'm going to this place where I'm going to talk to people in that social. 00:52:18 No, and now I'm going to this place where I'm going to be socially. 00:52:22 Isolated, but yet you're highly social. The paper it talks about the role that family plays and it talks about the the role that family plays is in the caregiving aspect, whereas when you mention this, I have this, like, prejudgment that the family should be like the more social part, but in the research, that's not how it comes out in the research. His family is. 00:52:48 I'm gonna take care of your needs. And then friends are like the social thing. So I kind. Of bet like. From what you think. That you see that as like social isolation because. I have these ladies. I go to coffee with that. Maybe I've known for a couple seasons when. I go to. 00:53:02 The lake. 00:53:03 There's no real deep intimacy there, so I totally get. 00:53:06 Really you can start. 00:53:07 With like so you know that was your response. 00:53:09 MMM MMM. 00:53:10 Start with that first thing I go to the lake and I'm totally socially isolated. 00:53:15 But it's like actually what you produce, as you're saying, is like the responsibility of, like, whatever it is like wiping bums or cleaning the fridge and getting the groceries or picking up people, right. 00:53:25 Like, you've reduced those things. 00:53:27 And now it's like highly social, with less responsibility to the livelihood of those. 00:53:30 Thank you. 00:53:33 Because they're not going to call you to help them get downstairs. 00:53:35 Hey. Yeah, yeah. 00:53:37 Right. 00:53:38 So just for each one of us. 00:53:41 Yeah, that's a. 00:53:42 That's a great distinction actually, because it's like if my grandmother calls, it's probably. 00:53:46 Because she needs some help. 00:53:49 Right, but the friend? 00:53:50 Calls and it's like, hey, we're having a barbecue on Friday night. 00:53:52 I'm like, cool, right? 00:53:54 Like lifting because I'm not gonna have to go do a whole bunch of. 00:53:57 Work meant to bring some. 00:53:58 Stuff might have to be social, but I'm not gonna have. 00:54:01 To wipe off. 00:54:05 I was just going to say. 00:54:07 I believe. 00:54:10 Of course, visible labor. 00:54:11 Is still. 00:54:15 Uh, it's actually here in the main caretaker for. 00:54:20 But I think the emotional labor, especially the. 00:54:27 In their in their lives, the daily. 00:54:30 She's so. 00:54:33 And I think like like I was trying. 00:54:36 To talk about. 00:54:40 Emotional labor and this this really heavy burden of responsibility that maybe you would drill while you're doing it, but then once you're like at the lake, it's like you're like. 00:54:51 Ohh wow, I can't use like super. 00:54:54 My Margarita ladies are coping. 00:54:58 Ladies are coffee or just chill up and read a book. 00:55:03 Like it's it's mind boggling. 00:55:06 Yeah, so these answers are all for you. 00:55:07 Yeah, yeah. 00:55:08 That admission, this addition about like how you see that particular social event. 00:55:13 So what we're actually demonstrating here is that. 00:55:16 You're going to. 00:55:17 Have a gut reaction. 00:55:17 To your response to a question. 00:55:20 But then we. 00:55:20 Want to sit with it? 00:55:21 Be like, how else could I answer it using some sociology? 00:55:25 Right. Is it? 00:55:28 Is it that these aren't family members and so therefore feels really different and you can say it if it feels different? 00:55:33 MHM. Yeah, yeah. 00:55:34 You don't have to use technical language. 00:55:36 Like it feels different. 00:55:39 I just want to comment on mozzie's thing about like this emotional labor side of things. 00:55:42 So one of the things through the pandemic that happened and you know where the stats are, but it's really about how like during the pandemic and heterosexual relationships where there's kids, is that like the burden of that emotional responsibility? 00:55:57 Yeah, physical labor for men did go home, so it's not that it went down for women. 00:56:02 It's that for a man. 00:56:03 It came up a bit, yeah. 00:56:06 And there is like. 00:56:07 I haven't done. 00:56:08 It before, but there is like quite a bit of literature on like bothering. 00:56:12 OK. 00:56:13 So it's like I wonder like if we pitched a class here about. 00:56:15 Like gender and parenting that the focus was on fathering, like, how many? 00:56:20 People would come like would it? 00:56:21 Be full of men. 00:56:21 Probably not. 00:56:22 The class would really be full of women. 00:56:24 So I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting. 00:56:26 Aren't sure about like how men are parenting in various kinds of ways.
