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Table of Contents
Rule Zero of all TRP subreddits ..
19
Glossary of Redpill terms .......... 24
The Red Pill Primer - A Sidebar
Made Simple ................................ 50
Collected advice for newbies and
beginners ..................................... 65
FREQUENTLY ASKTRP'D
QUESTIONS ................................ 161
There's this one girl... ...... 161
How to OPEN and CLOSE:
Beginner's guide ......... 168
Plates .................................. 203
How do I define plates?
................................ 204
Plate Theory Part 1 ........ 206
Plate Theory Part 2 ........ 219
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Plate Theory Part 3 ........ 237
Plate Theory Part 4 ........ 259
How do I choose plates?
................................ 270
How do I maintain plates?
................................ 278
Are we exclusive? Handling
"The Talk." ................... 288
How to use dating sites?
....................................... 295
How to set a sexual frame?
....................................... 329
How to utilize Push-Pull?
....................................... 340
Should we cohabitate before
marriage? TR;DR NO! ..
366
How to get laid like a
WARLORD .................... 381
What are Shit Tests and how
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do I handle them? ....... 434
Working with women ........ 487
Older RPers, advice for young
men starting out? ....... 496
Red Pill general FAQ. 15 most
common mistakes seen on
AskTRP ......................... 502
20 Redpill FAQs with 1-line
answers ........................ 527
Should I? ............................. 535
RED PILL PROBLEM SOLVER ... 542
Getting over a breakup .... 542
Got a stranger pregnant: a
guide ............................. 556
Jealousy and games: Don't
mate guard! ................ 583
All-in-one Legal Guide: False
rape/DV, Divorce, Child
support etc .................. 588
Identify and avoid BPD women
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Pt.1 ............................... 601
Identify and avoid BPD women
Pt.2 ............................... 627
FITNESS AND SELF-IMPROVEMENT
..................................................... 670
To the young man I saw at the
gym last night ............. 670
Lifting basics for beginners
....................................... 674
The Fundamentals of Fitness
....................................... 682
What is Frame? .................. 691
Guide to social circle game
....................................... 700
FR: Going to an event where
you don't know anyone ..
714
Beyond passive/aggressive:
Be ASSERTIVE ............. 727
RED PILL SERIES POSTS .......... 740
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TRP Field Toolkit ............... 740
Part 1: Attitude, Ego and
IDGAF ...................... 741
Part 2: Frame, Posture and
Body Language ....... 756
Part 3: Shit tests and Comfort
tests ........................ 765
Part 4: Flags, ASD, LMR and
Walking Away ......... 784
LTR Game ............................ 795
Part 1: Maintaining Frame
................................ 796
Part 2: Building the
Foundation .............. 807
Part 3: Unicorn Hunter
Checklist ................. 823
Part 4: Positive Masculinity
................................ 845
Part 5: Love and Power
................................ 869
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Part 6: Egalitarianism and
Ownership ............... 882
Part 7: Permission and
Privilege .................. 892
Part 8: Leadership and
Support ................... 901
CorporateLand: Rat race
survival guide ............. 921
CorporateLand: A Rat Race
Survival Guide For New
Rats ........................ 922
CorporateLand: How to Kill it
in Your Job Interview ..
943
CorporateLand: How to
Handle Salary
Negotiations. ........... 972
CorporateLand: How to Ask
For a Raise .............. 995
CorporateLand: Restaurant
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Lockdown for Sales Guys
.............................. 1012
CorporateLand: The
Deportment Department,
or How to Behave ..
1038
CorporateLand: Working With
Working Women In The
Modern Corporate
Environment ......... 1061
CorporateLand: Holiday
Parties ................... 1085
CorporateLand: Negotiations
for Business .......... 1097
CorporateLand: How to Live
and Travel Like a Prince
and Live Like a
Maharajah, Part I ... 1117
CorporateLand: How To Turn
Your Hotel Into a
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Vacation Villa ........ 1140
CorporateLand Library: Uncle
Vasya's Top Ten Books
on Management .... 1174
CorporateLand: What To Do
When You Get Fired or
Laid Off ................. 1176
CorporateLand: Promotions
.............................. 1192
Life After 30: How to Be an
Old Guy ................. 1199
Uncle Vasya’s Guide On
Dating Models ....... 1210
Uncle Vasya’s Guide to
Submissive Women
{NSFW-ish} ........... 1227
Of Human Bondage – Uncle
Vasya’s Guide for Men
Who Like To Tie Up
Young Ladies. ........ 1245
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Of Human Bondage, Part II:
Slave Girls Are Fun ..
1268
Be her Darkest Sexual
Chapter ................. 1297
Uncle Vasya's Guide To
Threesomes .......... 1301
Older Men, Younger Women:
How & When It Can Work.
.............................. 1328
Older Men, Younger Women,
Part II .................... 1343
For Online Daters, Women
Peak at 18 While Men
Peak at 50, Study Finds.
.............................. 1351
The Before Time…A TRP
“Origin” Story ....... 1366
Things My Father Taught Me:
Advice for guys raised by
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single moms ......... 1387
The Anna Karenina Principle
and the Problem of Bad
Relationships ........ 1392
On Hating Women, Especially
For Guys in the “Anger”
Phase .................... 1400
The Approved Narrative: Why
Dissent Must Be Crushed
.............................. 1407
Think HORIZONTALLY, not
VERTICALLY ........... 1415
"Women are a Lagging
Indicator" or "If You Build
It, They Will Come" ..
1420
Five Minutes of Alpha ... 1425
You Never Stop Competing
.............................. 1430
Become the Prize ......... 1438
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Approach Anxiety: Faint Heart
Never Fucked Fair Lady
.............................. 1445
Abundance Mentality - Why
It's Good For You. ..
1451
Uncle Vasya’s Guide to
Outcome Independence
or Welcome to Level 99
DGAF ..................... 1457
OLTRs: What They Are, And
How To Manage Them
.............................. 1469
Teachable Moment: Every
Encounter is an
Opportunity ........... 1481
Confidence Above All ... 1487
End Game or Handling Life on
Your Own Terms ... 1496
AWALT, a Valentine's Day
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Story ..................... 1512
Chatting Her Up: Beta Bait,
With a Side of Nuked
Hamster ................ 1518
Chatting Her Up: So I Met A
Nude Model ........... 1525
Subversive Humor: Nuking
the Hamster .......... 1532
Chatting Her Up: Using
Subversive Humor ..
1538
The Importance of
Implementing Game ..
1541
50 Shades of Red ............. 1545
50 Shades Redder ........... 1550
50 More Shades of Red ..
1557
OmLaLa ............................. 1563
"Cubic v. Diamond" ...... 1564
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Women are like Bowling
.............................. 1582
"Pavlov on Plates" ........ 1590
"Dopamine" ................. 1610
"Poker with Black Widows"
.............................. 1621
"Local Sexy Single Women"
Part 1 .................... 1637
"Local Sexy Single Women"
Part 2 .................... 1659
"Local Sexy Single Women"
Part 3 .................... 1683
"Such Is My Nature" ..... 1707
"The Man-Eater" ........... 1725
"The Power of Horny" Part 1
.............................. 1744
"The Power of Horny" Part 2
.............................. 1761
"The Power of Horny" Part 3
.............................. 1787
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"Strip" Part 1 ................ 1809
"The RP Comprehensive
Guide to Dating Sites"
.............................. 1836
"The RP Guide to Defeating
the Enemy: Mindset" ..
1870
OmLaLa on YouTube .... 1900
"The RP Guide to Defeating
the Enemy: Attraction"
.............................. 1901
"Vicarious Validation" ..
1930
"The Cuckold and The Slut"
.............................. 1942
"...And Candy Cheats Again"
.............................. 1956
"The Wolf: An AWALT Parable"
.............................. 1962
"...You're Not My Type"
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.............................. 1973
“The Red Piller’s Guide to
Online Dating” ...... 1982
"I Gwarp You" ............... 2038
"On How Women Listen"
.............................. 2048
"The Questionnaire" ..... 2067
"A Quick Word from the
Machiavellian" [Video]
.............................. 2085
“Such is Our Nature” ... 2087
"On Inherent Value and The
Ease of Hypergamy" ..
2108
"The Red Piller's Guide to
Women" ................ 2127
"The Machiavellian Approach
to Passive Game
Manipulation" Part 1 ..
2205
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"The Machiavellian Approach"
Part 2 .................... 2236
"The Machiavellian Approach"
Part 3 .................... 2254
"The Unattainable Male"
.............................. 2282
"...Drop the Dough, Then
We'll Talk" ............. 2296
"Don't Talk to Women Like
Men" ..................... 2306
"Women Don't Want The
Truth™, They Want To Be
Lied To" ................. 2315
"Don't Be Afraid to Dominate"
.............................. 2326
"Don't Be Afraid to Dominate"
Part 2 .................... 2333
"Don't Hate Women For Being
Women" ................ 2366
"The Shit Test Buster Game:
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Round 1" ............... 2376
"The Machiavellian Approach"
Part 4 .................... 2387
"The Silhouette Constant"
.............................. 2413
"Don't Rekindle Old Flames"
.............................. 2420
"Women Want A Rock, Not An
Equal" ................... 2427
“The Red Piller’s Guide to
Online Dating: OverInvestment” .......... 2432
“The Red Piller’s Guide to
Online Dating: Browsing,
Tinder and Supermarkets
of Men" ................. 2450
“…And Lucy Tries Harder”
.............................. 2468
"The Red Piller's Guide to
Online Dating:" Word
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Fodder ................... 2481
"10s" ............................ 2493
"Trap" .......................... 2498
"Conditioning" .............. 2504
"...And Ruth Gets Jealous "
.............................. 2510
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Rule Zero of all
TRP subreddits
by CrazyHorseInvincible | December
23, 2015 | Link
As the author of several rambling rules
posts, I've never been happy with the
number of rules we have, the number
of posts they are scattered across, and
how difficult some of those are for new
people to find and see.
This is hard to enforce, and harder to
follow.
Time to simplify things, with a nugget
of clarity just offered up by our own
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/u/Whisper (who needs no
introduction):
TRP's mission is to
increase men's
sexual power and
options. Anyone
who does not share
that goal will be
banned the instant
we detect them.
That means you must be here for one
or both of these reasons:
You are a man who wants to
improve your own control over
your life, mostly your sex life.
You want to help men achieve
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that goal.
That's all.
Here for any other reason?
Banned.
Here to argue about whether
that's a good goal? Banned.
Write anything in here that sets
some other goal (moralizing,
showing off, political agenda,
etc) above that goal? Banned.
Disrupting that mission in any
other way? Banned.
Here's all the old rules and policy
posts if you like a lot of reading:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/co
mments/1u6m3m/the_basics_explaine
d_and_our_direction_for_2014/
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/co
mments/2xwllf/100000/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/co
mments/2zriww/the_complete_mod_po
licy_rundown/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/co
mments/3a0135/announcement_new_t
hread_requirements/
... but what you really you need to
know is Rule Zero:
TRP's mission is to increase men's
sexual power and options, and
improve their lives.
This is the mission.
Support the mission.
Or go somewhere else.
That is all.
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Other rules are simply specific cases of
Rule Zero.
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Glossary of
Redpill terms
by MachiavellianRed | March 17, 2015
| Link
The original user who posted this list
awhile back is not very active
anymore, and as a subreddit we'd
prefer a mod to have editing ability
over such an important post, hence
I've re-posted this, amended a few
things and sidebarred it. If you have
suggestions for any more additions,
leave a comment.
Terms:
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Alpha – Socially dominant.
Somebody who displays high
value, or traits that are sexually
attractive to women. Alpha can
refer to a man who exhibits
alpha behaviors (more alpha
tendencies than beta), but
usually used to describe
individual behaviors themselves.
Alpha Widow - A woman
(typically but not necessarily
post-wall) who has been
abandoned by an Alpha male. No
matter how great her new man
is, she will perceive him as failing
to meet the standard of the
alpha she was previously
associated with. Due to
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hypergamy, a woman cannot
date backwards, once she gets
say, a male 8, she cannot date
below a male 8 and be happy
with him. If she does, she is just
using said man for resources
(BB) and doesn't really love him.
Essentially, a damaged woman
accustomed to a tier of man she
can no longer attract. See "Postwall" and "Hypergamy."
AMOG – Alpha Male Of Group.
AF/BB - Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks.
ASD - Anti-Slut Defense.
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AWALT - All Women Are Like
That. Often expressed after an
example of hypergamy.
Beta – Traits of provision: either
providing resources or validation
to others, women (and perhaps
men). Beta traits display low
value to women if they are are
put on too strong or too early in
meeting- giving without equity.
Beta can be used to describe
individual behaviors, as well as
people who have an
overwhelming amount of beta
properties (opposed to alpha).
Blue Pill – From The Matrix and
its sequels. The path of
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conformity with Society’s
expectations; the state of being
unaware of the problems
engendered by society. Compare
with “Red Pill,” below.
CC, or Cock Carousel – The
period of time in a woman's life
where she successfully exploits
her sexual value and maximizes
her hypergamous tendencies by
having sex with as many alphas
as possible. Usually happens
between ages 18 - 27. Often
ends when the woman hits the
wall.
CH - Chateau Heartiste.
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Close - The apex of an
interaction. Often preceded by
an indication of the type of close,
eg. f-close (full close or fuck
close, the interaction led to sex),
k-close (kiss), #close (receiving
phone #).
Comfort Test - Similar to a Shit
Test, but meant to gauge your
level of Beta traits. Typically only
encountered in LTRs. While not
discussed as often as shit tests, a
successful LTR requires that you
pass these as well.
Covert Contract - An unspoken
deal with terms the other party
would never agree to. Most
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typically seen by orbiters trying
to negotiate desire: "If I do a
favor for her, she'll go out with
me."
DT, or Dark Triad - A
combination of three personality
traits: Narcissism,
Machiavellianism, and
Psychopathy. An effective shortterm sexual strategy. More indepth information here.
DHV – Display of Higher Value,
the accomplishment, anything
that improves your sexual
market value in the eyes of
another.
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DLV - Display of lower value.
DQ - Disqualification. Used by
women as an IOD. Used by PUAs
as a method of disarming ASD by
appearing to be disinterested.
Dread Game - Purposefully
inciting jealousy in an LTR by
openly getting attention from
other women. Soft Dread is
similar, but less open. With Soft
Dread, the attention doesn't
even need to be real. Creating
the possibilty for female
attention is enough to get the
hamster going. (If you develop a
great body, she knows that other
women will find that attractive
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without having to actually see
other women displaying
interest.) The purpose of using
Dread is to get the target (wife,
girlfriend, plate) to step up their
game to compete with other
interested women.
Feminism – ”A doctrine built on
the pre-supposition of victimhood
of women by men as a
foundation of female identity. In
its goals is always the utilization
of the state to forcibly redress
this claimed victimization. In
other words, the proxy use of
violence and wealth
appropriation. In whatever flavor,
and variation, these two basic
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features are common to every
doctrine using the label
feminism. Feminism is therefore,
a doctrine of class hatred, and
violence.” (John The Other, “Why
not date a feminist?” A Voice For
Men, 4 June 2012.)
FR - Field Report.
Frame - The context in which
something is perceived.
Maintaining frame is often cited
as the most important aspect of
Alpha behavior. See Iron Rule of
Tomassi #1
Friendzone - See Orbiter.
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Game – A loosely based set of
behaviors specifically designed
to increase attraction.
Gaslighting - A form of mental
abuse in which false information
is presented with the intent of
making victims doubt their own
memory, perception, and sanity.
Hamster - Used to describe the
way that women use
rationalization to resolve mental
conflict and avoid cognitive
dissonance. The core mechanism
that allows women to say one
thing and do a different thing.
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HB - Hot Babe (often followed by
a number as an indication of
ranking on a 1-10 scale).
Hypergamy – The instinctual
urge for women to seek out the
best alpha available. This is
marked by maximizing rejection
(therefore women are the
selective gender). A woman will
vet her alpha through various
shit tests to ensure his "health"
on the alpha scale. She is
conditioned to recognize a
declining alpha, as hypergamy
also tends to continue seeking
out higher status males even
while with an alpha male. Shit
tests allow her to prepare herself
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for eventually leaving when a
new higher status male is found.
If the male fails shit tests to a
great enough degree, it will
effect her feelings for him. He
will effectively lower his sexual
market value in her eyes. This
will enable her to jump to the
next male with ease and little
remorse.
Incel - Involuntarily Celibate. A
man who wants to get laid, but
can't.
IOD - Indication of Disinterest.
IOI - Indication of Interest.
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Kino (Kino Escalation) - "Kino"
means touching. Kino escalation
is the process of ramping up the
touching from light touching to
heavy (though still not entirely
sexual).
LJBF - Let's Just Be Friends (See
Orbiter)
LMR - Last Minute Resistance. A
display of ASD immediately prior
to closing
LTR - Long Term Relationship.
Manosphere - The loose
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collection of blogs, message
boards, and other sites run by
and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW,
PUAs etc and any red pill
associated people/groups.
MGTOW – Men Going Their Own
Way; the growing contingent of
the male population who are
saying “Fuck It All” to the Mating
Dance. See /r/MGTOW
MMSL - The Married Man Sex
Life Primer. A book written by
Athol Kay specifically focused on
marriage game.
Monk Mode - Mitigating
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distractions and focusing on
introspection, reflection and selfimprovement for a given period
of time. Working on the body and
mind. More in-depth information
here.
MR - Men's Rights Group.
MRA - Men's Rights activist. See
/r/MensRights
MRM - Men's Rights Movement.
Oneitis - When a guy has fallen
in love with a woman in the same
way a boy loves his mother. He
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obsesses about her, but she does
not reciprocate.
Orbiter - Also known as Beta
Orbiter. A beta guy who accepted
the proposal to "just be friends"
from a girl he has oneitis for. He
will stick around her and
constantly validate her whenever
she requests it. Also known as
"friendzone." She will keep him
around because he will do
anything for her and provide
validation, giving small hints that
he might eventually win her lovebut he never will. Typical signs of
orbiter status: likes and
comments on new facebook
photos. Go-to guy when girl has
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problem with boyfriend. Also
known as emotional tampon.
Plate - Woman with whom you
are in a non-exclusive sexual
relationship with. Spinning plates
is the act of having multiple
plates simultaneously. Again,
Rollo has a great article found
here.
Post-wall - A woman past her
peak beauty/fertility. Depending
on genetics, this can be a woman
as young as 25 or as old as 40.
Generally speaking, it is agreed
most women hit the wall around
30. Women tend to become
desperate to settle down around
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age 28/29, realizing they have
limited time to secure a quality
mate as their beauty diminishes.
See "The Wall."
Preselection - The idea that
women are more attracted to
men who already have the
interest of other women. This
saves the woman time in judging
a man by using the idea that
other women have already
judged him favorably.
PUA – Pick-Up Artist.
Pussy Pass - Letting a woman
off without actual consequences
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for illegal behavior. See
/r/PussyPass for examples.
Red Pill – The recognition and
awareness of the way that
feminism, feminists and their
white-knight enablers affect
society. An awareness of the
dark truths surrounding human
sexuality; hypergamy, women's
AF/BB strategies, society's
Feminine Imperative, sexual
differences in emotional
attachment, women's attraction
to DT traits and sexual
dominance/violence; Extremely
politically incorrect, expect
reflexive social ostracism for
even mentioning the red pill in
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polite society.
Set - A group of people that you
are interacting with.
Shit Test, or Fitness Test - A
statement or question meant to
gauge your level of Alpha traits.
SJW - Social Justice Warrior.
SMV – Sexual Market Value. A
shorthand statement for “what
you bring to the table,” whether
for an one-night stand or for a
longer sexual/emotional
relationship.
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SMP - Sexual Market Place. A
description of the free market
that is mating.
Snowflake - A woman who tries
to persuade a man that she’s
somehow unique, different, or
special by playing up her good
girl resume and downplaying her
bad girl resume. When used as a
verb, snowflaking refers to the
argument she puts forth to justify
her claim.
Solipsism - In Red Pill, solipsism
(e.g. female solipsism) refers to
the female's tendency to frame
everything she experiences or
witnesses in terms of herself and
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her own needs - personalizing it
**- even when such
personalization would not make
contextual sense.
The Wall - The point in a
woman's life where her ego and
self-assessed view of her sexual
market value exceed her actual
sexual market value; the
beginning of the decline. Usually
occurs as a wake-up shock to
women when they realize that
their power over men was
temporary and that their looks
are fading. This usually results
with first denial and then a
sudden change in priority
towards looking for a husband.
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Even after hitting the wall, many
women will squander a few more
precious years testing her SMV
with alphas to double-check,
hoping her perceived decline was
a fluke, this will make her even
more bitter when she finally has
to settle for a worse-beta than
she could've gotten before
because of squandering her
youth.
Trickle Truth - A method of
coming clean about bad behavior
by only disclosing small pieces of
truth at a time. "All we did was
talk," leads to "Well we just
cuddled," leads to "I didn't mean
to fuck him, it just happened."
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It's a hamsters way of saving
face when bad behavior is
discovered.
Unicorn - Mystical creature that
doesn't fucking exist, aka The
Girl of Your Dreams.
White Knight – A man who
“comes to the rescue” of a
woman, or of women, reflexively,
emotionally-driven, without
thought or even looking at the
situation; (2) a man in authority
who enables Team Women in his
legislative actions, judgments, or
rulings, reflexively, emotionallydriven, without thought or even
looking at what’s right. Also
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known as "Mangina"
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The Red Pill
Primer - A
Sidebar Made
Simple
by bsutansalt | December 30, 2016 |
Link
Mod note: It's been over a
year since I originally posted
this, but it's worth posting it
again for new members and
for updated feedback as a
lots happened since then.
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New here? Read the following
threads below. If you've read the
rules, then you know this is
required before posting anyway.
Introduction
What is The Red Pill
This thread explains why we are here
and what our mission focus is. The
short version is we're help each other
understand and leverage to our
advantage:
Game
Acknowledging reality for what it
is
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Men and women's sexual
strategies and how they differ
Glossary and Terms
In addition to glossary and terms, this
thread also includes some key theory
pieces you'll need to understand if
you're going to spend any time here.
Background Reading
The entries below serve as the
backdrop of why we're here and over
the years have helped shape our
mission focus.
Men Are Not Happy
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The Misandry Bubble
Michael's Story <- CTRL-F "Michael"
Confessions of a reformed incel
The Manipulated Man
The Polygamous Sex
Gender Studies is Nonsense
Theory Reading
Once you've fully digested the above
material move on to the theory
reading below. Each section is broken
down into phases to help you better
understand and reinforce the core
concepts and philosophies TRP
espouses.
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Phase 1: The essential
differences between how men
and women love.
Women In Love and Men In Love
These articles do a great job at
contrasting the differences in how
romance is expressed by men and
women. We now know, contrary to
popular belief, it's men who are the
true romantics of society. A follow-up
to this is Of Love and War, which is
best summarized with the line
"women’s concept of love isn’t what
men would be led to believe it is."
Schedules of Mating
Anyone familiar with women's monthly
cycles knows full well that women's
preferences change. So too does their
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desires and attraction to masculine
and effeminate men. The main
takeaway here is that during ovulation
women show more skin and tend to
prefer more dominant and "alpha"
traits in men. It's also a great read
because it's one of the manophers's
first great delves into women's
pluralistic mating strategy.
Two principle types of love
An early dive into frame control, a
topic that Rollo Tomassi has since
expanded upon greatly over the last
couple years at his blog The Rational
Male.
Phase 2: Women's pluralistic
and mercenary approach to
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relationships.
Briffault's Law
This thread delves deeper into
Briffault's Law, a core concept, and
some corollaries that describe how
women do not express loyalty to beta
men for provisioning and protection
previously provided by the male.
On Value and the Value of Women
The value men and women bring to
the table is different, an artifact of how
our sexual strategies differ. Women's
value is from being whereas men's
value is from doing. For a woman to
have sex, she just has to show up and
men will throw themselves at her. For
a man, he has to dance to her tune
and be high status and this and that
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and the other. Men seek sex from
women, not the other way around.
Instead women screen for which man
she'll have sex with of the myriad of
men seeking to have sex with her.
Hypergamy 101: Women view men
how men see jobs
Hypergamy 102: Her Perception
and Context Means Everything
Phase 3: Freeing your mind of
"blue pill" social
programming.
Powertalk 101
This is a great primer on the mental
gymnastics and power plays in
language and how subterfuge can be
employed by women to dupe men who
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are not aware of the subtext being
intoned.
Red Pill Antibiotic Nuke and Red
Pill Video Compilation Nuke
This further expands on some of the
concepts found in the Glossary and
Terms thread above.
Sexual Strategy is Amoral
Game/sexual strategy itself doesn't
have intrinsic moral value; it's all
about how you use it.
Phase 4: Understanding
power, agency, and the
tyranny of hypoagency.
Sexual Utopia in Power
This article discusses how marriage
and monogamy constrained women's
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hypergamy to the benefit of
civilization. For those not familiar with
history, Henry IV once said, "I want
there to be no peasant in my realm so
poor that he will not have a chicken in
his pot every Sunday." Hoover later
used that same line in his presidential
campaign. Marriage and monogamy
and social mores limiting women to
one partner served to provide for men
a sexual equivalent of "a chicken in
every pot". Doing so was good
because it served as the incentive that
drove men to create civilization as we
know it. Where harems for elite men
exist and large swaths of men go
without sexual access, societal
upheaval follows.
The Covert Reason Women Hate
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Male Spaces
The internet has given rise to a new
kind of support group or men's club,
where men can compare notes and
figure out for themselves if a woman is
being shady or not. This takes away
power women have enjoyed and
instead empowers men, in many cases
for the first time in their lives. On the
larger social scale this threatens
women as so they attack and shame
us as their way of trying to put the
information genie back in the bottle.
Women: The Most Responsible
Teenager In The House
There thread has created a lot of
butthurt since it was made, but the
theories in which it espouses are
sound, particularly in dealing with
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women's shit testing in long term
relationships (LTR), the roles men and
women are naturally predisposed to,
and the establishment and
enforcement of boundaries. This is the
article that the thread is in response
to.
Applying Red Pill Concepts
To Your Daily Lives
48 Day of Power Supethread
48 Laws of Power from a Red Pill
perspective.
All-in-One Legal Compilation
Guide For Men
An unfortunately necessity in this day
and age.
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All-in-One Red Pill 101
This thread is a great primer of the
Game aspect of TRP as described in
the Introduction above. It also expands
upon the core concepts found in the
Glossary and Terms.
Feminist Shaming Tactics and
What You Can't Say
It's important to familiarize yourself
with the logical fallacies and bad faith
arguments feminists use when
discussing gender issues online and in
the media, and how the media is
controlled/constrained by those in
power to service the feminine
imperative. Note: The essay is linked
in the What You Can't Say thread, and
is not the thread itself.
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Goals
A how-to guide for creating goals and
staying on track.
LTR Checklist and Unicorn Hunting
A great list of red (and green) flags to
help you ascertain if a woman is
worthy of your commitment.
Self-Acceptance
Life is short so make it a good one.
And don't sweat the small stuff.
Shit Tests 101
Comprehensive introduction to shit
tests.
Shit Tests 201
In effect this was a follow-up to the
above thread on Shit Tests.
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The Red Pill Interacting With
Other Subreddits
This thread offers some practical
advice for dealing with other
subreddits that are vehemently "blue
pull" and their alternatives.
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Collected advice
for newbies and
beginners
by MrSimple333 | July 5, 2016 | Link
Hello, I am a Asian American, male,
age 23, 5'6, 160lb. It's been several
years since I have started this journey.
Typical bluepill background. Typical
Asian upbringing. School smart but not
street smart. High school was a dud
and I wanted to committed suicide
during my junior year. Been told I was
cute before but never had the balls to
do anything. Been an orbiter,
emotional tampon, "best friend", the
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whole nine yards.
My journey started in 2013 when I
discovered PUA, then to TRP, then to
MGTOW, and now I'm just a guy with a
mission in life with bit of knowledge
and better boundaries. Went through
all the stages of grief and learn to
accept women and their.. special
ways. They aren't meant to be men so
I can't expect them to have the same
values as men. It's weird.. Men and
women are both humans, we are the
same, and yet different.. Kind of funny
if you think about it. Now life tends to
be more.. amusing and less.. self
inflicting drama? I'm way less thirsty
and no more asking 'why'. Instead I
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now know 'why' and tend just shrug
things off when they don't work out.
These are ideals I came across on,
what I learn to struggle with, and the
tools that had help me could help you.
Use your strengths and minimalize
your weaknesses. Accept your quirks
and unique hobbies. (I like anime,
dancing, and lifting.) Humans are born
flawed therefore everything we build is
flaw. You aren't meant to achieve
perfection in life. And remember Hail
Hydra..
Note: All books can be purchased on
the Amazon Kindle App. Save trees,
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save space, and read anytime,
anywhere. Bonus: If you are an
auditory learner, several books have
Audio Narrations upgrades.
Note 2: If you are a total noob, please
read the Redpill Handbook at
redpillhandbook.com. TRP is meant to
change the foundation of your
mind/beliefs first and then build
yourself from the ground up. My post
is based on that concept. You must
change how you think before you can
change who you are.
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THE FIRST RULE OF TRP IS: YOU
DO NOT TALK ABOUT TRP
THE SECOND RULE OF TRP IS: YOU
DO NOT TALK ABOUT TRP
TRP is not a safe subject. Cue eyerolls. There are those who would use
TRP philosophy incorrectly just like
those who use religion or politics to
suppress or terrorized others. Keep
your mouth shut and your thoughts to
yourself whenever these type of topics
come up in public. Self preservation
keeps you safe and others safe. Let
people think how they want to think.
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Recommend Method
Don't talk how 'alpha' you are or
how 'beta' someone is in public.
It's really sad and pathetic. You
wouldn't be here is you were
alpha. We all were betas. Be
humble.
Don't put down or insult women
for not sleeping with you after
you are 'enlightened enough to
be an alpha'. They aren't evil,
prudes, bitches, cunts, sluts,
whores, or etc because they
won't help you get your dick wet.
They are just human like us.
They have the freedom of choice.
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Don't go preaching in streets.
You are not going to change the
world. You will only endanger
yourself and others.
Keep TRP to yourself mean also
means keeping your goals to
yourself. Somehow in the brain, if
you don't discuss your goals, you
would somehow achieve them.
It's like those who talk a huge
game of losing weight as a new
year resolution but fail in the
end.
TRP is a brotherhood. For those
of you who want to help our
brothers who are plugged in,
please keep in mind of how much
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you resisted swallowing the pill.
Just keep an ear out when they
start dropping hints. They will be
ready when they will be ready.
Don't force it. You can only lead
a horse to water, you can't make
it drink it.
Recommend Youtube:
Derek Sivers Keep Your Goals to
Yourself - TED
Starting At The Mind:
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Learn to unlearn social conditioning.
Humans were born with a clean slate
so that why social conditioning was so
impressionable and is a bitch to
unlearn it. Unlearning Romanticism is
the basis for TRP and MGTOW. PUA is
basically bluepill mindset but redpill
acting. Overall, a healthy dose of
pessimism help kill the Disney illusion.
Sometimes people hold a core
belief that is very strong. When
they are presented with evidence
that works against that belief,
the new evidence cannot be
accepted. It would create a
feeling that is extremely
uncomfortable, called cognitive
dissonance. And because it is so
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important to protect the core
belief, they will rationalize,
ignore and even deny anything
that doesn't fit in with the core
belief. -Frantz Fanon
Recommend Method:
Use the Five Stages of Grief to
identify your emotions and state
of mind. It WILL be hard and
does take a lot time to come to
an acceptance. But's it
completely normal to feel what
you feel. It's ok to feel anger,
depression, feel like you have
been exploited your entire life.
What you are feeling now is the
change. You will breakdown. You
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must breakdown. Then you will
rebuild. We men are taught to
not express our troubles or
negative emotion in public. TRP
is a safe and anonymous place
where you express your hatred,
your negatively, your mistakes,
and your grief in the privacy of
your own home and your own
mind. This is where we can get
honest answers and guidance
from those who were in the
similar situations. Be patience,
be kind, and be grateful once you
are unplugged.
Recommend Youtube:
How Romanticism Ruin Love Page 75 of 2524
The School of Life
Why Engagement Rings Are a
Scam - Adam Ruin Everything
Recommend TRP Post: "TRP
Stage Three: Bargaining" by
DCLdit
Unlearn your traditional male role. A
few rules has changed from the past.
Mother nature will always be the
invisible government of the land,
however, mankind's 'laws' are always
changing, for better or worse.
Remember your basic animal instincts
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and adjust to new environment
accordingly. Provider=ATM, Best
friend=emotional tampon/orbiter,
Marriage=slave, divorce=raped,
kids=blackhole, single=freedom.
Don't talk like one of them.
You're not! Even if you'd like to
be. To them, you're just a freak,
like me! They need you right
now, but when they don't, they'll
cast you out, like a leper! You
see, their morals, their code, it's
a bad joke. Dropped at the first
sign of trouble. They're only as
good as the world allows them to
be. I'll show you. When the chips
are down, these... these civilized
people, they'll eat each other.
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See, I'm not a monster. I'm just
ahead of the curve. -The Joker
Recommend Books:
"Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi
"The Rational Male Preventive
Medicine" by Rollo Tomassi
"Men on Strike" by Helen Smith
Recommend Youtube:
Tom Leykis -Time Travel Radio
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Divorce Corp Documentary
Men on Strike Helen Smith
Dan the Man Stage1 studioJOHO
Fun Fact: It takes a day to get
marry, it takes about a year to
get a divorce.
Unlearn "nice guy syndrome". I almost
became a neckbeard. Also learn the
difference between infatuation and
love. Infatuation is good in small doses
but not when it becomes an obsession.
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Keep your head on earth and not in
the clouds of your fantasies.
Recommend Method:
Don't ever give favors or gifts
and expect anything in return.
You WILL become passive
aggressive when you are
disappointed. Especially with
women. They are not stupid.
They can smell a guy's agenda or
ulterior motives a mile away.
They aren't going to have sex
with you just because you were
being 'generous' and 'nice'.
Always be upfront with what you
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want. Always be willing to leave
or show anyone the door when it
doesn't work out. Especially with
potential mates.
Recommend Book:
"No More Mr. Nice Guy" by
Robert Glover
Recommend subreddit:
Neckbeardstories (for a laugh
and self-reflection)
Recommend Blog
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"Love or Infatuation? How To Tell
The Difference" by Nancy Van
Pelt
Recommend Youtube
"Rick and Morty - Love" by
EigenvectorSeven
Learn to control your sexual urges and
desires. STOP being so thirsty. We
males tend to think with our other
head. Sex is great but it's not the one
thing in this world you should strive
for. Don't let it control you because
then you would be willing to give
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anything to satisfy it. There are risks
beside STDs when it comes to having
sex. In Greek Mythology, it was said
that the Goddess Aphrodite was feared
by all, even the gods, because love
and lust can affect all and can warp
one's reality. Your value as a man is
not defined by the quantity or quality
of women you can bring to bed. Ask
yourself honestly and deeply why you
want sex.
Destroy the sex glands, whether
in man or beast, and you have
removed the major source of
action. For proof of this, observe
what happens to any animal
after it has been castrated. A bull
becomes as docile as a cow after
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it has been altered sexually. Sex
alteration takes out of the male,
whether man or beast, all the
FIGHT that was in him -Napoleon
Hill
Recommend Methods:
QUIT PORN and fapping. The
urge of sex is one of and the
MOST POWERFUL driving forces
of man. You are wasting your
drive for fake pixels. Imagine
what would happen when you
harness all that energy into
something productive. (This by
far one of the hardest thing for
me to achieve.)
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USE A CONDOM and flush it
down the toilet after. Spermjackers are real. I actually got a
vasectomy this year, (recovered
fast, 2 weeks).
Don't EVER have sex with a
drunk girl. You are just asking for
a rape accusation.
Save screenshot of a "Awesome
night" text after a night of sex
and upload it to the cloud like
Google Drive.
Don't EVER 'date'
coworkers/clients either. You are
just asking for a sexual
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harassment/assault lawsuit or an
income/job lost. Don't shit where
you eat.
Recommend Books:
"The Sex God Method" by Daniel
Rose
"Sexual Intelligence" by Marty
Klein
Recommend subreddits:
Childfree
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NoFap
MGTOW
Recommend Youtube:
The Horrors of Children - The
School of Life
The Science of Pornography
Addiction -AsapScience
Fun Fact: An average kid cost
250,000$ from birth to 18 year
old. (Not including college). Get a
DNA test. Family courts are not
on your side.
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Having some god damn self-respect!!
Language! -Captain America Learn to
create, strengthen, and maintain your
boundaries with your family, friends,
coworkers, and potential mates. Do
not put up with drama and avoid those
who are drama. Crabs in a barrel
mentality is an easy red flag. The core
of TRP is self-improvement but also to
stand up for yourself and to take care
of your own needs. We want to be
better, to be our best self we can
possible be. And to do that we have to
care how we present ourselves and
look at how we treat others. But we
also must learn how to care about our
own needs first and be realistic on how
other people are treating us. We men
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have been taught all of our life that we
matter less, that we are valued less,
that we should sacrifice ourselves for
the benefits of others. It's time to be a
little more self-interested, to never be
doormats again.
Recommend Book:
"The 48 Law of Power" by Robert
Greene (BlinkNotes is a great
summery guide for the book)
Recommend Method:
The mirror self-reflection
technique: When you are with
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someone, that person is a
reflection of you. If the other
person is 'unstable', you might
want to take a look with yourself
and your boundaries. You are the
average of the five people you
spent your most time with.
Force Field: Imagine a force field
around you. Now expand it to
your personal space. Use it as a
guide for protection against both
physical and mental 'hits'. This
provide you a mental picture and
more awareness of how strong
your boundaries are and who
exactly is trying to hurt you.
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Frame Control. Stoicism is a great
philosophy to adapt. Learn imagery
training. I have a rather good
imagination and tend to play devil
advocate with myself. I "test" myself
against scenarios with women,
bitches, AMOG, betas, white knights,
femnazi, and etc. You can do it
anytime and envision REALISTIC
solutions. It teaches you where your
state of mind is and how much control
you have over your emotions and
reactions. You are your worst enemy
and greatest ally. - technique inspired
by Dragonball Z.
Man is affected, not by events,
but by his view he takes of them.
-Epictetus
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Recommend Method:
Practice saying 'no' out loud with
confident and conviction.
Learn to have self respect with
your needs and boundaries and
with other person's. It's always a
give and take relationship.
Keeping scores in your head is
fine but don't get obsess with it.
Pick your battles wisely. You can
never change a person's world
view overnight. Walk away if
needed.
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Learn to say 'sorry' less and only
when it is absolutely necessary.
Learn to make decisions for
yourself and lead. You are the
captain. Let the other person(s)
decide if they want to follow.
Have a play and/or flirty tone
when using backhand comments.
It's banter and it's supposed to
be fun. Test yourself 'being
mean' cautiously. Don't
backpetal whenever possible.
Take your time talking. Don't
rush things and don't let anyone
rush you. Be content during
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those silent pauses. Gather your
thoughts.
Don't take things personally.
Take those mental blows until
you can shrug them off.
If a person acts like a spoiled
child to you, treat them as a
spoiled child.
Remember to stay amused and
keep your frame as strong as a
rock.
Recommend Book:
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"Be the Pack Leader" by Cesar
Millan
"A Guide to the Good Life, The
Ancient Art of Stoic Joy" by
William B. Irvine
Fun Fact: Olympians athletes use
imagery as mental training.
Pure attraction is based on the your
animal instincts and are nonnegotiable. A balance must be achieve
when two people are together. That's
why 'resources' can used as a
substitute and exchange for the
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other's affection when one person is
lacking a specific trait. (That's why
some women are caked with makeup
and some men wave their wealth
around.) What we try to achieve here
is to increase the chance for pure
attraction. The absolute desire to be
with one another with a minimal or
zero amount of external influences.
Recommend Method:
The ideal mate list: Think of your
ideal partner and write down
their traits on paper. Now, can
you achieve those same ideals
and traits? A lot of people aren't
willing, both men and women.
They want to have their cake and
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eat it too. This is why selfimprovement is so 'enforced' at
TRP and increasing your SMV is
the first step.
Recommend Youtube:
The Ideal Man? One's Woman's
43-Point List Stuns Steve Harvey
Explore what it means to be in a
relationship. It's basically a balance of
closeness and distance. Also,
unlearning monogamy (Another social
conditioning) is one of the most
EFFICIENT lesson you must learn.
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Monogamy is really rare in the animal
kingdom. (Humans are animals too.)
You should NEVER depend on one
person to fulfill your EVERY single
need. That's why people tend feel too
much pressure in a relationship or
they don't feel perfect for one another.
ALL relationships are temporary
because you and your partner meet
each other requirements for the
moment, whether the moment is only
for one night or for several years.
People grow and change and so does
their needs. They fall in and out of
love. Love is temporary, never meant
to last 'forever'.
Nothing last forever, even stars
die. -Neil deGeneres Tyson
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Recommend Youtube:
"The School of Life" Relationships
Playlist ('Affair' video
recommended)
Recommend blog:
blog.kareldonk.com - Featured
Topic - Love
Know thyself. You have to know how
you see yourself, your thinking
process, and how you perceive the
world around you. If you are an
extrovert, be social with everyone
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within means; if introvert, be close
with your good friends.
Recommend Method:
Google "MBTI Test" to find out
how you think. We aren't all
meant to be social butterflies. (I
have INTP personality, which is
3% of the population. Really help
me out to accept that I think and
see things differently from the
majority.)
Learn to be unattached. Value your
independence and freedom above all.
What both males and females tend to
do is get obsessive over someone, to
'own' him or her and control their
sexual freedom. He's 'my" boyfriend or
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she is 'my' wife. You can never 'own'
someone, even if you both imply
exclusiveness. There is a Greek legend
that men and women used to be one.
The God Zeus fear us so much that he
split us in half. It was said we were
doom to roam the earth to find the
part that make us "whole" again. If
men can be whole by themselves, we
would had been powerful to overthrow
the Gods. Learn to be whole.
The things you own end up
owning you. -Tyler Durden.
Recommend TRP Post:
Women are like Bowling Page 101 of 2524
OmLaLa (I use the bowling alley
metaphor to use as a guideline
when I become too thirsty or put
too much pressure on myself to
make things work. It help create
both abundance mindset and 'I
don't give a fuck' mentality.)
Recommend subreddits:
Zerowaste
Onebag
Vandwellers
Recommend App:
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My Asset Bin (Keep track of the
things you own)
Recommend Youtube:
Minimalism: A Documentary
About the Important Things
Daniel Norris The Millionaire
Pitcher that Lives in a Van
Life Maintenance Skills:
Learn to manage your money. I don't
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know why this wasn't taught in school.
It's pretty much the one skill you need
to survive in today's world. Maybe it
was to keep us ignorant so we could
be debt/consumer slaves.
Recommend Methods:
KILL AND AVOID DEBT ASAP.
Either be responsible with credit
cards or don't get one at all. (I
finally cancel my credit card after
running it up to the max way too
many times. Nearly spent all my
savings.)
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Reduce or eliminate nonessential bills like Netflix,
magazine subscriptions,
cable/satellite TV packages, and
etc.
Start an emergency fund and
saving fund. Keep it in a separate
bank or safety deposit box so
you won't be tempted. Start at
5-10% of your paycheck once a
month. Do a separate
allotment/transfer so you would
never see the money.
Give yourself 24 hours when
wanting to buy something that is
non-essential. Compulsive buying
is real. You don't need the latest
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gadget or toy. You live well
without it before.
Use hard cash more than
debit/credit cards. You will think
twice when handing over your
hard-earn cash. Swiping is too
easy.
Recommend Book:
"The Total Money Makeover" by
David Ramsey
Recommend subreddit:
Personalfinance
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Anticonsumption
Frugal
TinyHouses
Recommend App:
Mint: Personal Finance @ Money
(great for knowing your Net
Worth, Debt, and Credit Score)
Recommend Product:
Turbo Tax (Easiest way to do
your taxes and receive a refund.)
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Joke time: What's the difference
between a girlfriend and a
prostitute? A prostitute
guarantee sex.
Maintain your assets and home. Be
self-efficient and self-reliance. Learn to
cook and clean. Seriously, every
human (regardless of sex) should
know how to take care of themselves,
their place of resident, and their own
stuff.
Recommend Methods:
Make your bed every morning.
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Wash your dishes/pans
immediately after you use them.
Designated a day like Sunday to
clean your place.
Vacuum carpet, mop/sweep
floor, dust/wipe furniture and
bathroom, do laundry, and air
out the place at least once a
week.
If you have too much shit to
clean or organized, you own way
too much stuff. Less stuff means
less cleaning.
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If you hate taking out the trash,
make less of it.
If car owner, get it detailed every
2-3 months. It would feel like it's
new again.
Recommend Book:
"Adulting How to Become a
Grown-up" by Kelly Williams
Brown
Recommend Youtube:
Tastemade
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Eating healthy. You are what you eat.
This isn't something you can change
overnight and it also depends on your
budget. But it is the first and most
ESSENTIAL part of your SMV; your
overall health. This is a very important
investment you can ever make.
Recommend Method:
Give up/limit artificial sugar,
processed food, and fast food.
Easy way to do it is to avoid food
that come in box, bag, or can
packages. Soda/pop, energy
drinks, sports drinks, candy,
chips, cookies, microwave
dinners, canned food, and etc.
Try to stick to raw food you can
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eat or cook with. (Meat, veggies,
and fruit.) Rice is a good staple
food.
Do treat yourself once a week.
You aren't training for the
Olympics. Just don't go pigging
out or do a binge. Treat it as a
snack/dessert.
StillTasty.com - Your Ultimate
Shelf Life Guide. Should help with
grocery shopping and avoid
spoiled food.
Buy reusable Tupperware and a
lunch bag. This should encourage
you to not eat out often and cook
more. Plus you can show off your
dishes.
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Using your time wisely.
Eliminate/reduce timewaster like:
video games, TV shows, Netflix
marathons, compulsive internet
browsing, porn, cellphone over-usage,
social media, and etc. Pretty much
anything with a screen. Time is your
MOST valuable resource. Less
distractions creates more mindfulness
and opportunities.
The average free time for an
adult can range from 4-5 hours
per day.
24hrs - 8hrs (sleep) - 1.5hrs
(eating/cooking) - 30mins
(bathroom) - 8hrs (work) 30mins (commute) = 5.5hrs free
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time per day.
Recommend Methods:
Unplug/limit your home internet
service.
Reduced all of your electronic
devices with screens down to
one or two.
Hide your laptop and/or
cellphone when you are home to
reduce unnecessary usage.
Uninstall apps like games,
Netflix, Instagram, and etc off
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your cellphone. Try to keep your
phone to just a communication
device as much as possible. No
more endless scrolling or
mindless games.
Don't be connected 24/7.
Disable/silent notifications off
your apps.
Online "dating" is only for top
10%, attention/validation
whores, and thirsty betas. You
have a better chance in public.
Also 'catfishing' is very real.
If you have a Facebook, limit
your friends to under 100 and set
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it to private. (I got mine to less
than 50 after I deleted people I
either don't know, never talk to
anymore, are toxic, or their posts
are just drama.)
Recommend Game:
Phone Stack game during meals.
Stack everyone's phone face
down on top of each other. The
first person to reach for their
phone before the meal is over
pays a penalty like washing
dishes or paying the bill.
Recommend App:
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Quality Time (Keep tracks of your
cellphone usage per app)
Recommend Youtube:
How Is Your Phone Changing
You? -AsapSCIENCE
School/Job. Honestly, we all know
school didn't do jack squat for us in
the real world. You learn the skills you
need in life by searching it out. That's
how you came to TRP. So only go to
college or trade school once you figure
what you really need to do or want to
do. Teens these days take a year off
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after high school to figure out who
they are. Your MBTI personality should
give some sort of guide on where your
ideal career field is.
Recommend Method:
There are two types of jobs. One
that pay the bills and established
your 'time and experience'. The
other is a fun dream/hobby. Take
care of yourself first by getting
one that pays the bill. When you
got free time on your hands,
work on your dream/hobby job.
Take only one or two classes if
you are working fulltime to not
overwhelm yourself.
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Recommend Book:
"Do What You Are: Discover the
Perfect Career for You Through
the Secrets of Personality Type"
by Paul D. Tieger & Barbara
Barron-Tieger
Bio Hacks Habits:
Note: DNA, living/working
environment, workout schedule,
and eating habits may effect
results.
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Personal hygiene Caveman Style
habits
Recommend Methods:
Going chemical free (your skin
absorb everything). A lot of
hygiene products are allowed to
NOT list their ingredients. I was
able to stop using deodorant,
cologne, laundry detergent ( I
use baking soda), shaving cream
(dry shaving), and shampoo (My
hair and scalp feels and looks so
much better. I use tree oil to
keep my hair and scalp
'hydrated' and healthy). Girls
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that I been with love my natural
smell and possible pheromones.
Take cold showers. Another
mental exercise over your fear.
Observe the excuses your mind
makes up, clear your mind, and
then jump right in. (Training this
method everyday will make a
good habit for doing cold
approaches). Health benefits and
save money too. Using too much
hot water can dry and damage
your skin and hair.
Shower every other day and
within a 5 minute duration
(within reason please).
Showering everyday could also
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damage your skin and hair.
Recommend subreddit:
NoPoo (No Shampoo).
Recommend Youtube:
Benefits of Cold Showers Comfort
Zone Killer- The Improvement Pill
Fun Fact: Cold showers was
coined as "The James Bond
Shower".
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Go outside more often and into nature.
It's one of the few healthy things you
can do for FREE.
Recommend Methods:
Vitamin D from the sun (tanning).
Improve energy, mood, and
appearance.
Earthing/Barefoot. (I don't
believe in the whole 'energy'
crap and didn't buy any
products. My experience is that I
feel more relax and it's cool to
feel the texture of the earth.)
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Recommend subreddit:
Barefoot
Recommend Youtube:
What If You Stopped Going
Outside? -AsapSCIENCE
Increase your testosterone. Google the
benefits. IT'S OVER 9000!! -Vegeta
Recommend Method:
Take some zinc supplement
Obtain a medical test to see
where your level is at.
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Be less hairy overall so girls can see
your face and muscles.
Recommend Methods:
If you can't grow and/or maintain
maintenance a beard, shave
(Don't be a neckbeard or have a
pedo-stashe).
Manscaping. Learn to pick and
trim your eyebrows, ear hair,
nose hair, chest hair, back hair,
and pubic hair.
Have a hair style that doesn't
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required a lot of maintenance.
Buzzed, short, shaved haircuts
gives you a clean look. Do a
Google image search for your
ideal men haircut. Print and bring
it to the barber. (Balding is not a
choice. However, a shaved
haircut is a choice.)
Maintenance schedule for
manscaping and haircuts: At
least once a month.
Recommend Youtube:
Beauty and the Geek Makeover
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Teeth whiting. A smile can be
improved with greatly with white
teeth. Takes about a month or two
using a store brand.
Recommend Product:
Any store brand whiting strips or
dentist procedure for instant
satisfaction.
GET MORE SLEEP.
Recommend Methods:
Less screen time mean more
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sleep.
Darken your room as much as
possible.
Sleep naked and also on hard
surface (floor, flat bed frame). It
help with neck and back pain and
improve better posture.
Recommend Apps:
Bluelight Filter for your phone
f.lux for all your computers
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Recommend Product:
LightDims Stickers 5.99$
Blackout Curtains
Recommend Youtube:
What If You Stopped Sleeping? AsapSCIENCE
Hydrate motherfucker! -James Doakes.
60% of your body is made of water.
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Recommend Method:
Drink only water, all other drinks
are fill with a ton of sugar. Place
a reusable water bottle in plain
sight at your work area to help
remind you to drink.
Recommend Youtube:
What If You Stopped Drinking
Water? -AsapSCIENCE
Take three deep breaths anytime of
the day.
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Recommend Method:
5 seconds in and 5 seconds out.
It help clear your mind and/or
calm your emotions. Work
wonders.
Get RID of bluepill music.
Recommend Method:
Take some time to go through
your music collection. Listening
to music have been proven to
affect your subconscious. I love
music but I get so irritated now
with songs that have lyrics like
'waiting for a girl' or 'she is the
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perfect one', or 'how can I live
without her.' Makes me want to
gagged.
Recommend App:
Soundhound/Shazam (Identity
any song, anywhere)
Recommend Website:
youtube-mp3.org ( For auditory
learners when they find good
podcast videos.)
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Minimize or eliminate mind/body
alternating substances.
Tobacco: You already know
smoking is bad. Endless
campaigns about that. (I also
hate kissing girls who smoke.)
Alcohol: I limit myself to 3 drinks
when I go out. It gives me a good
buzz while letting my mind/body
relax without being sloppy. Save
me money and from potential
beer goggle (ugly chicks). (I also
like to play a game of trying to
get strangers to buy me my third
drink.)
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Drugs: Never did drugs before so
my only inputs are I don't like
things that mess with my mind
and prefer no marks on my
records.
Caffeinated Drinks: Lower your
dependence on coffee, energy
drinks, and etc. If you are eating
healthy and sleeping well, you
shouldn't need it much.
Recommend Youtube:
Addiction - Kurzgesagt In A
Nutshell
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Your Exterior Self:
Getting in shape. If there was ever a
first step to attracting women, this is
it. Start now is the best time to do it. I
was a skinny 130lb in high school. Now
I'm 160lb and been call "bigger" and
"muscular" which is a confident boost.
Recommend Methods:
Lifting (Duh). Use free weights
and something similar to the 5x5
workout program.
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Running. It's FREE to do
anywhere, anytime. A mile a day
keeps the doctor away.
Designate a time and place to
work out. It will give you the
mindset of the sole purpose to
workout. Try to not use your
home as a gym. It has too many
distractions. Your home is a
place of relaxation.
If you are skinny/hardgainer like
me, you have to train to eat a lot.
I drink 3-4 protein shakes a day
with three large meals.
Find a workout buddy that who
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knows what they are doing. I
needed help to stay motivated
and committed to the workout
program for the first few months.
I was dragged kicking and
screaming along the way until I
learn to shut up and stop wasting
energy complaining and making
bad excuses.
Your time resource is 24 hours
everyday. Use at least one hour
to workout.
Document your progress by
taking body pics once a month,
writing down your weight once a
week, and your max weight for
each exercise every two weeks.
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The fitness process is very slow
so you need to see that you are
improving every month.
Recommend Products:
Protein shake: Pro JYM (4lb 55$)
RSP nutrition Creatine
Monohydrate (16.99$)
bodybuilding.com
Bonus: Working out is also a type
of dynamic meditation. My mind
tends to go blank when I focus
on my form and movement. It's
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similar to monks who practice
mindfulness when doing chores.
(I honestly can't sit still and think
of nothing. I'd fall asleep.)
Learn the basics of men fashion and
apply it to your wardrobe. It's like a
video game. Increase attractiveness
+5. Once you have the basic down,
get rid of all unnecessary clothes. That
way you look stylish all the time.
Recommend Book:
"Dress like a Man, A Style Guide
for Practical Men" by Antonio
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Centeno
Recommend Youtube:
Alpha M.
Learn speech and body language. The
percentage of types of human
communication are consist of: 55% are
body movements and facial
expression, 38% are voice tone,
volume, and pauses, and finally 7%
are words.
Recommend Methods:
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Stand tall by using the pencil
posture test and fix your forward
neck by using the 'hang by your
teeth' technique.
Use a computer stand to level
your screen higher for a better
sitting posture.
Place a pen in your mouth and
start reading out loud. You
should be able to pronounce
every syllables, talk slower, take
breaths and pauses, and get rid
of 'umms' and 'uhh'.
Record yourself reading out loud.
To focus on your tone and
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volume, place your recording
device at different distances
away from you. This should give
you the idea of how loud and
clearly you must be speak in
order for the person to hear you.
You should also listen to pitch of
your voice and make sure it stay
low.
Move slower by focusing on
feeling every step you take.
Pretend you just got a new body
and are 'testing' it.
Eye contact game: Try to
memorize what color of the
person's eye.
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Smile less often. When you do
make direct eye contact, do a
slow smile, like it was meant for
that person.
Pretend neither you and the
other person can't speak. Use
your body, hands movements,
and facial expression to
communicate. Basically
charades.
Recommend Books:
"Verbal Judo" by George
Thompson PhD
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"How to talk to Anyone, 92
Tricks" by Leil Lowndes
"What Every Body is Saying" Joe
Navarro
"The Voice Book" by Kate DeVore
and Starr Cookman
Learning seduction. Only when you are
at a healthy mindset, have good habits
formed, and got your shit together.
Recommend Methods:
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Make sure your logistics are in
order before going anywhere,
anytime. You will never know
when the next opportunity will
arise. Transportation? Check.
Bedroom clean? Check.
Condoms? Check.
You must LEAD at all times.
YOUR responsibility is to make
the FIRST move and every move
after that. The approach, the
flirting, the kiss, the numbers,
the future plans, the sex. Judge
her interaction and adjust
accordingly.
3 second rule: When you see an
attractive women, don't think,
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approach. This gives your brain
no time to develop any excuses.
Don't restrain yourself to just
weekends or night venues.
Women are everywhere.
ACCEPT REJECTIONS
GRACEFULLY. You CAN'T have
sex with every attractive woman
you see. There are too many
factors to why a woman rejects
you. Just say 'thank you for your
time' and move on.
For first few outing, keep it fun,
interactive, cheap/free, kino
friendly, and low pressure. No
dinner. No movie. Get ice cream
cones, bowling, arcade, laser tag,
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walk around the park, putt putt
golf, hiking, swimming at
beach/pool, board games, and
etc.
Topics to avoid: religion, politics,
past relationships, work related,
family issues, feminism, kids, her
age/weight.
Topics to use: music, movies/tv
shows, food you love/hate,
your/her adventures, places you
have been, happy childhood
memories, scary stories, jokes,
people watching, and the
surrounding environment.
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Don't be afraid to touch her! Sit
next to her, hold her hand, high
fives, hugs, fist bumps, make her
twirl, hand slapping game, and
etc.
Kino map: hands/knees -> upper
arms/upper legs -> hair/lower
back -> face cheek/ass -> lips
(kiss) Hint: When going for the
kiss, make sure to isolate her
from the public view or from
people she knows. A person's
public reputation can greatly
differs from their private desires.
Keep the sexual tension alive.
Use sexual innuendos. Wink, lick
your lips, stick your tongue like a
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kid, blow kisses, smirk, grab/slap
her ass playfully, rub/slap her
thighs playfully, and etc.
Push and Pull during the
interaction. You're not sprinting
to the finish line. Escalate and
rest on your terms. Give her
room to chase too.
Recommend Books:
"The Manual What Women Want"
by W. Anton
"Models: Attraction through
Honesty" by Mark Manson
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Recommend Youtube:
What Actually Makes a Man
Attractive? - BuzzFeedVideo
Recommend subreddit:
Seduction
Texting, emails, and any online
messenger are only for logistics and
goals. It is a inefficient tool to use for
displaying any form of emotional
communication.
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Recommend Methods:
Text with the PURPOSE of
meeting up/making plans. Don't
text just for the sake of texting.
(Like asking how was her day
was or what your goals in life
are.) Save that for when you are
together in person.
No wall text.
No double texting.
No instant text back if you can
help it.
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PLEASE write out your texts in
compete words, sentences, and
correct grammar.
Use 'statements' formats more
often than 'questions' format.
(Example: Instead of asking her if
she is free, tell her a time,
location, and activity of what you
will be doing together. Take the
lead and assume attraction.)
Do not drunk text or send nudes
(blackmail materials).
Make a phone call every once in
awhile. Show that you got some
balls.
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Easy 'nexting' tells: If she
responds back to reschedule, she
is into you. However, if she
'stalls' without rescheduling, she
is not into you. 2-3 strikes and
she's out.
Recommend acronym:
KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Recommend Youtube:
How to Text a Girl - sWooZie
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Additional Recommend Skills:
Learn to dance as if no one is
watching. Great for getting out of your
comfort zone. Dance in public to get
over your self-impose fear and learn
not give a fuck. It's a great mental
exercise. I have been called a
professional dancer before but I just
think I dance like I was high on
something. Girls notice though and
there is the whole "how you dance is
how you are in bed". Create better
stamina too.
Recommend Method:
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Movie "Suckerpunch"-close your
eyes and imagine an adventure
with the music.
There are two types of dancing
style. Individual and partner.
Take beginner classes for both.
You are with people with two left
feet in those classes. Partner
dancing helps with being
comfortable touching the
opposite sex and leading.
Individual dancing help with
being comfortable with your
movements and with yourself
overall.
Recommend Youtube:
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Howcast
Will Dancing Get You Laid? AsapSCIENCE
Learn to fight. Self defense is a good
way to learn how to reinforce your
boundaries and not put up with
bullshit.
Recommend Method:
kickboxing or some sort of
martial arts
Learn to sing. For some reason,
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singing tend to bring people together.
When you and another person know
the lyrics to a song, it's really cool
feeling. Great for singing during car
rides and karaoke nights. Great
indicator of putting yourself out there.
Just have fun with it.
Recommend Method:
Take a few singing lessons from
a tutor to learn breathing and
pitch.
Record yourself is also a good
method.
Storytelling. Our stories are who we
are, what we experienced. Share the
jokes, the 'what the fuck' events, the
scary adventures and your brainfart
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moments. If you don't have any, go
out and do something to at least have
one story.
Recommend Method:
Make sure to be positive or
sarcastic. Even if your story is
negative, share it in a good light.
Make sure use a small amount of
body movements like you are
talking to a deaf person. Don't
rush it, its your story.
And Lastly:
Don't take life too seriously.
Somewhere, someone else has it
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worse than you. You are at the bottom
but the only way now is up. Work hard
but enjoy all the little moments and
small achievements when you can.
Laugh at your mistakes and look at
how far you had come. Don't compare
your life to others or how perfect it
should to be. Your success in life is
when you can smile and say 'yeah,
that was fun'.
The life of every individual,
viewed as a whole and in
general, and when only its most
significant features are
emphasized, is really a tragedy;
but gone through in detail it has
the character of a comedy. Arthur Schopenhauer
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Recommend Youtube:
The Philosophy of Rick and Morty
- Wisecrack
How Far Can We Go, The Limits
of Humanity - Kurzgesagt In A
Nutshell
The Lottery of Life - The School
of Life
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FREQUENTLY
ASKTRP'D
QUESTIONS
There's this one girl...
by mattyanon | May 25, 2016 | Link
Despite AWALT, girls are all random
and all different. Some like you more
than others. You'll have a different
"relationship" with each of them. So
fixing your problem with "this one girl"
doesn't mean anything in the long
term.
If you're in a LTR, then "trying to make
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it work" and "putting effort in" and "all
relationships involve work and
sacrifice" just means you are a
variation of beta bucks. Even if you're
not paying dollars, you're offering
commitment and support by being a
point of stability in her life and giving
emotional support. And chances are
she's giving you shit (or the sex sucks)
and you want to improve your
relationship.
Thing is... you can't change other
people. Some things will help your LTR
work better but ultimately you are not
in control. She'll do what she does,
and you have influence over that but
you can't force her to feel something
different to her actual feelings. And
she'll act purely according to how she
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feels. That's never going to change.
The solution to your LTR woes is to fix
yourself irrespective of her. Get some
abundance mentality (or get it back),
get more options with other women,
flirt with more women, be more
attractive, care less about your LTR
and be less reactive to it. She's
probably getting less sexual with you,
respecting you less, while every year
you're putting more and more effort
into what's basically a sinking ship.
You can't say a few magic RP words
and have her sucking your dick like a
trooper again. Doesn't work like that.
It's your life, that's what you need to
fix. Make choices that will work no
matter what she does. Be more
attractive, meet more people, lift
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some heavy shit once in a while, flirt
with more women.
Conversely... if you're not in an LTR
and you're trying to get with "this one
girl", and you've not fucked her on two
separate occasions, then she is
nothing more than an option. Treat her
as such. She might have boyfriend,
she might hate men, she might hate
you. I guarantee she has a whole load
of stuff (good and bad) going on that
you know nothing about. You can't
take her seriously as a sexual option
until you've had actual sex with her on
two separate occasions. Until then she's an option and nothing more.
Don't treat her as the "one and only".
Don't treat it like you're in a
relationship that just needs a quick fix
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up. You're not anything to her yet, so
do not commit excessive time,
resources or emotional energy to her.
And absolutely do not restrict your
options with other women. You're
more likely to get with her if you
increase your options with other
women. So if your question is basically
"there is this one girl..." then your
answer is "she doesn't matter, get
more options".
If your question is "I find that every girl
I chat up throws up when she sees
me", then let's discuss your situation.
If you have ongoing issues about how
to apply TRP, what specific bits of TRP
mean, then do ask away. If you have a
situation that has come up that you
don't understand, then ask away. If
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you want to know the best way to
proceed with a specific situation then
ask away BUT... ask from the point of
view of "I'm seeing three girls but a
situation has come up that I don't
quite know how to handle and I'm
curious on the best way forward".
Just don't ask us "how can I make
things work with this one girl that I
really want to get with". That's oneitis, it's trying to get control over one
particular situation rather than having
an abundance of options, it's putting
too much effort and emphasis on one
girl, and it's the perpetuation of the
blue pill media story of the guy who
makes a gigantic gesture to win the
heart of his one super-specialsnowflake-unicorn rather than fixing
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himself.
This is a slightly modified version of an
article I originally posted on reddit's
AskTRP forum.
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How to OPEN and
CLOSE: Beginner's
guide
by The_BitterTruth | December 5, 2016
| Link
Before TRP, I was socially awkward as
they came. I felt helpless when it came
to social interactions (and fucking
women), and had no idea how to
improve myself. I kept looking for the
secret cheat codes that PUAs seemed
to offer. I tried all sorts of tricks and
gimmicks, some of the time they
worked (other times not so much), and
I'm here now to share with you what
I've learned after a few rejections,
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numbers, and a good numbers of lays.
Before I get into the meat and
potatoes of this post the biggest
advice I have for opening and closing a
girl is this: Just do it. I have a lot of
friends who second guess themselves
or make excuses to avoid putting their
image/ego/reputation on the line. If
you're dealing with these kinds of
negative feelings I suggest you read
my post: It's okay to feel like shit. It's
okay to be afraid, it's okay to be
nervous. I've opened (and fucked) a lot
of girls and still get nervous from time
to time when approaching. When
dealing with approach anxiety
remember that:
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Getting rejected is a good thing:
It saves you from wasting time
on girls that aren't interested in
you.
Failure is a learning experience,
not a black mark on your
character.
You're honestly not that fucking
important: If someone rejects
you the world will keep spinning.
Pain/suffering is the price we pay
for growth: If you want to
improve your
confidence/abilities/character It's
going to take sacrifice. If you're
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not willing to endure pain or
embarrassment you will never
change, and you will never
achieve anything worth while in
life, forever remaining a pussy.
Approach because you're
interested, not to prove
something to yourself. I had
this problem for quite a while. I
always had the mindset that I
needed to prove myself by
approaching this girl/these girls.
That phase was one of the
loneliest and saddest times of
my life. If you're doing something
similar to what I was, it's most
likely out of insecurity, Not
genuine interest.
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If you're interested approach:
She's hot (and want to fuck her)
is the only reason you need. You
don't need to justify any other
reason to approach her.
You don't need to approach
every single girl: This goes with
above said point. If you feel like
you need to approach every
single girl you're attracted to. It's
probably because you're trying
to prove something to yourself. If
you are approaching girls
regularly you can let a few get
past you.
Just do it. Stop making excuses
and talk to her.
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Build lasting change through
repetition: If you only go out
once a week and introduce
yourself to one girl, things are
going to be fucking rough for
you, for a long fucking time. If
you approach one (or three)
person(s) a day for a month, then
it starts to become normal. You
will get more comfortable and
better at approaching/gaming
women.
Approach anyone, because
you want to. Guys, Girls, Old
People, cool people, lame people,
(not kids). The more people you
approach, the more normal it
becomes to you (see above
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point). The more conversations
you have, the more your
conversation skills improve. The
key here is frequency: You don't
want to approach 20 people one
night then call it quits. Make an
effort to talk to new people
around you. It's okay if you're
awkward. Do it because you
want to improve your social
skills, not to prove something to
your ego. (edit:)
Learn to love approaching. When
I approach a women I truly find
beautiful and sexually attracted
to, I'm nervous. Instead of
running away from these feelings
I embrace them, "It's okay for me
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to feel this way." Honestly
there's something about staring
in the eyes of a beautiful women
that's refreshing, holding her
attention for however short or
long it may be. There's a rush to
be had, and enjoyed when
talking to beautiful women. Don't
let this rush keep you from your
desires, let it motivate you.
Use smaller units of
measurement for success: You
cannot control how others
receive you. The only thing you
have influence over is yourself
(Read my post on Influence vs
Control if you're interested in
this). If you did your part and
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approached her, that's a success.
If you got her number, that's
another success. Try not to
measure your interactions in
broad senses: We didn't fuck so
it was a total failure.
1) Your first impression will make
or break you. People make first
impressions to circumvent getting to
know a person to answer important
questions quickly: Who is this person,
what do they want, will they hurt me,
can I trust them? You've got 7 seconds
to make your first impression. Once
decided, these molds are hard to
break (Think: getting out of the friend
zone). People are quick to judge
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whether they admit it or not, so how
can we influence others to have a
positive perception of us? So first
there's what they see: Your
appearance (clothes, style, hight,
physique), How you carry yourself
(Body language, posture), and how
you interact with others (How well
received you are, and how comfortable
you look being yourself). There are a
lot of ways you can improve your first
impression, a lot of it is how you act as
a person (passive behavior). It's not
something you can largely influence
by acting (imo). Anyways this part is
getting kind of long so I need to move
on.
For above stated reasons don't
approach her from behind. If her
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first impression is of you scaring
her, it's not a very good one.
2) The 80/20 rule: does she want
you to open her? Have you ever
been approached by someone? Maybe
a salesman, or a homeless person
asking for money? I'm going to go out
on a hunch here and assume if you
aren't interested in getting haggled by
a homeless person, you aren't going to
receive them well. Where as if you
have a lot of sympathy for homeless
people, you might be interested in
what they have to say and offer them
some of your hard earned money.
While this depends somewhat on the
circumstance, it's relatively the same
with women. It's quite possible she's
not interested in being opened at this
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current moment in time: she just
broke up with her abusive ex, she just
joined the feminist cult, her mom died,
you get the picture. The other part is if
she was interested in you at all in the
first place. If she already checked you
out and decided she's not interested,
you're going to be working up hill to
get anywhere with her. You can
change peoples opinions of you with
good game and personality, but I find
it easier to pursue people that have
some interest in me from the get go.
3) There are no secret words to
get you laid I've tried long openers,
short openers, complex openers, and
simple openers. I'll tried all sorts of
bullshit, tricks and gimmicks. How you
are perceived is based largely off your
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first impression, which is based of your
appearance and actions. How you are
received is largely based on how the
person you are approaching is feeling
at that very moment. Only a small
portion (but still significant enough) of
WHAT you say matters. The majority is
HOW you say it. Using try hard
openers to side step your insecurities
does not address the issues you are
having with opening women. It does
not address your lack of confidence or
social competence. Where as being
open and honest and putting your
neck on the chopping block shows an
enormous amount of confidence.
Being direct in this manner also shows
an, "I don't give a fuck what you think"
attitude more than using some
gimmick or trick.
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Senario 1: I'm being open an honest
with you, this is who I am and I am
prepared for you to accept me or
reject me on the spot.
Senario 2: I'm scared and not
confident in my abilities, I've spent x
amount of time thinking up this
joke/opener/whatever in hope that you
will accept me.
4) Give her hamster enough to
stop worrying and start spinning. I
mentioned earlier the biggest
questions people have when being
approached are: Who are you (are you
worth fucking?), what do you want (Do
you want to fuck me?), will you hurt
me (or embarrass me in front of my
friends?), can I trust you (to fuck me
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good)? You can answer these
questions without squashing your
sense of mystery. In fact you can
answer these questions DIRECTLY and
still spin her hamster wheel.
My opener is this: Hi my name is
____, nice to meet you.
(Handshake) or something similar. I
usually don't get too fancy at it works
OK for me. I will usually use this
opener when the other person has
already noticed me at a bar or party,
vs approaching unnoticed at a grocery
store or something similar.
Edit: For opening girls on the street,
Just walk up next to them, and say
anything really. I have a buddy who's
an expert at this and he told me, "I
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don't think about what I'm going to
say, I just do it." The key here is to be
casual and cool as a cucumber.
This might sound stupid simple, that's
because it is. Like I said earlier, when I
approach a women (if she's noticed
me before hand) what I say to her has
very little of what I say with how she
responds to me. She's already judged
me up and down the wall with a
myriad of different factors: How well
received am I by other people (social
status/aptitude), How do I
carry/dress/style myself, and how
comfortable am I being myself (more
on this later).
5) She has no choice but to be
opened. Despite what feminists and
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all the BPers say, women are not "the
same" as men. Especially when it
comes to social interactions. The fact
of the matter is, it takes an enormous
amount of confidence and balls to
approach someone, put yourself out
there, and face rejection, over and
over again. The majority of women
lack do not have the confidence to
even CONSIDER approaching another
person. I've heard over and over
again, "I wish he would talk [approach
and open] me. Women don't even
consider it an option to go up to
someone and talk to the person they
like/have interest in. That's why they
resort to oogly eyes from across the
room. To them, they literally have no
choice but to be opened by you.
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6) If you think she's giving you
signals, she probably is, but don't
wait for them: Don't wait at all to
introduce yourself. The best thing
you can do for yourself is introduce
yourself right away. If you wait and
start to think about it, most likely
you'll start to doubt yourself or worry
how you'll be received by her. The
best way to over come this is to be
honest with yourself, "I want to talk
with this girl" and do it.
7) Use social dynamics to your
advantage. When at a bar or party
atmosphere, I almost always introduce
myself to a guy first. Guys are way
easier to talk to as there's no
expectations and usually they're
happy to talk with you too. I do this for
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a couple of reasons:
Talking with a guy right off the
bat helps me get used to the
atmosphere of the
club/party/whatever. If I'm a little
nervous It gives me some time to
catch my breath and calm down,
Like getting used to cold water
after you plunge in.
Other people will see you
socializing, and will think more
highly of your social skills (and
you). The concept here is
preselection bias: If 3 people are
already talking with you, one
person who isn't talking with you
sees you in a group who's
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enjoying your company, said
person will generally assume
that you are a pleasant person
with enjoyable company.
You make friends during the
party who will say "hi" to you
later - this is huge. Let's say I've
made a couple of friends at the
party, and now I'm talking to
some new people. If those
friends decide to greet me while
I'm in a conversation they raise
my social status by saying, "I
enjoyed your company earlier,
even though we just met tonight.
You're more interesting than
other people here so I want to be
with you and not them." - of
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course no one explicitly states
this, but it's the underlying
mechanic. This certain aspect
won't help you make a first
impression, but it can help build
attraction and raise your status
to those you're talking with.
8) Body language. When I first heard
that the majority of communication
was non-verbal - I was surprised and
thought that who ever came up with
this was full of shit. So I decided to
make an experiment. I tried to talk as
little as possible during a few
conversations just see how it went. I
tried a few different things ( some of
them awkward some of them fun)
hand gestures, faces, mimicking her,
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and intense eye contact. Even though
these conversations were quite, they
felt loud and powerful. I tried this a lot
of times and it would be hard to
explain everything, but now I'm in full
belief that your body speaks more
than your mouth. here are a couple
points I would like to add:
Using less words during a
conversation can make it very
intense
Sitting in silence while looking
into someones eyes can build a
lot of sexual tension
Not blabbering the entire time
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can be perceived as confidence it's not your job to entertain
them or hold up the conversation
Intentions, desires, and ideas can
be communicated without saying
a word.
My theory on why this exists is as
follows: At some point in time we
weren't able to communicated with an
advanced language that we have
today, along with needing a way to
communicate with someone who
doesn't speak our particular language.
Hence non verbal communication.
There are quite a few things you can
do to improve your body language in a
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good way:
Strong Eye contact: Make them
look away first. Don't look at the
ground.
Good/correct posture - makes
you look more confident,
healthier, and confident.
Less/no fidgeting: People who
fidget look like they lack control
over themselves, or do so
because they're nervous.
Standing still shows control and
confidence.
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Take up more space:
Stand/sit/whatever in a way that
takes up as much space as
practical. Makes you appear
larger and more dominate.
9) Conversation/communication If
anything else, I would say that this
part needs a post all on it's own. I
enjoy talking with people, I can only
offer what works for me. I try not to
talk with people I don't have any
interest in. This will eventually show in
the conversation and the other person
will notice. Besides, why are you
talking with someone you aren't
interested in? Yes, "She's cute and I
want to fuck her" is all the reason you
need to talk to her. Just do it.
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Be genuine: If you're being fake
it's going to show through. Lies
are easier to spot than you think.
Women (in general) are more
skilled at men at verbal
communication. Your best course
of action is to be honest. From
time to time I will bend, or
exaggerate stories for an effect,
but I won't lie about my interests
or how/what I think about things.
Be honest with your
intentions/actions: If you want to
fuck her then don't try to hide it
for fear of rejection. The sooner
you get a definite "no" the
quicker you can move on to
someone who will tell you "yes".
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Connect by expressing yourself
and opening up: Men like to
communicate with facts, but
women are all about feelz. Play
eye to eye by expressing why
you think you do about certain
things - in good judgement, don't
just open up with that time your
uncle your uncle touched you. If
you like music, explain why: I
enjoy writing songs because it
helps me express how I'm
feeling. I enjoy riding
motorcycles because I love how
free it feels: It makes me feel
free and alive being close to
death. Explaining why you think
the way you do adds a lot of
depth into a conversation. This
will also polarize people you're
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talking with, either they'll agree
with you or they won't.
Conversation Topics: I think
that any positive (doesn't make
either one of you feel bad when
talking about it) topic is good. If
you like cats, but she hates them
because of that one time; this
would be a bad topic. If talking
about rough anal sex makes you
both smile, why not? As for more
specific topics, I prod for hobbies,
interests, and dreams. I try to
find things we have in common,
but It's not, "Oh you like that? I
like that too!" sort of thing. Try to
stay away from only asking
questions, You don't want things
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to feel like an interview.
Statements and playful
accusations are your friend. You
can never go wrong with a good
sense of humor.
(Edit:) * If you run out of shit to say
or freeze up: If both of you are
staring awkwardly into each other's
eyes with nothing to say, try to enjoy
the moment. It's not your job to
entertain her. You can either say, "It
was nice to meet you." And eject or
you can ask her for her number, "I'm
out of things to say but it was nice
meeting you, would you like to talk
again sometime?" (Yes/no) "How can I
get a hold of you?"
10) Touch her early, Touch her
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often (kino). During the conversation
it's important to touch her almost right
away from the get go (handshake).
This set's a precedence that she's
okay being touched by you. If you're
uncomfortable with this I recommend
just putting your hand on someones
shoulder briefly when emphasizing a
point. The key here is to make it feel
natural - like you've done it a million
times before. If you watch your hand
as you put it on someones
shoulder/elbow/whatever it's going to
make it seem really fucking weird. Just
look them in the eye and pat their
shoulder/whatever (to start). Once you
get the hang of this you realize it's not
that big of a deal to put your hand on
a girls leg, or her ass (without making
yourself look awkward).Again this is
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something that I could write a whole
post on, but I think a little goes a long
way. I find that girls that are receptive
to getting touched (or kino in general)
are more receptive to getting fucked.
A little goes a long way. The key is to
make it seem natural.
11) Close with a number, kiss, or
new location. When you decide to
close is up to you. I'm going to be
focusing mostly on number closes. I
try to close right when the tensions at
it's highest, or right when I feel things
are starting to calm down. This is not
that something that can be measured
in time for example: try to kiss her/get
her number/take her to a new place
after 20 minutes. Usually I stay in a
conversation for as long as I am
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enjoying myself, and when I'm starting
to lose interest I will ask for her
number: "Hey give me your number"
"Add me on (widely used instant
messaging app)" or what I normally go
for, "Do you want to talk again
sometime" (yes) "How can I get ahold
of you?" Any answer less than "here's
my number" and I'm out. I don't have
time to try to persuade someone to
give me their number. People that
aren't interested in giving me their
number will give me some round
about answer, "We can just meet here
again!". People who want to talk with
me again will just give me their
number or equivalent (people don't
use cellphones [texting] much here in
Japan, It's all about IM apps).
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If I number close I'll usually
message them the next day say
saying, "Hey it was nice meeting
you", but honestly I don't think
this is critical. If someone's
interested in you, they're
interested (whether you message
them the next day or a few days
later). I usually do this out of
personal preference, so I can
delete uninterested customers
from my phone asap.
If she's giving you The EyesTM,
you can try going for a kiss. Just
because she turns you down
once, doesn't mean you
shouldn't try again. She might be
telling you, "I'm not ready to be
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kissed right now, or in this
place". I don't normally go for
kiss closes for girls I've just met
in any other places but clubs,
kissing in public here in Japan is
pretty taboo (but girls don't
seem to care in dark clubs). "If
you think you can kiss her, you
probably could have 10 minutes
ago".
If you've managed to kiss close
her, you'd be ahead to take her
to a different venue (your
apartment). Girls don't kiss guys
their not sexually attracted to.
Again this sort of thing needs a
post all on it's own, and this post
is already extremely long.
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Well Brothers this is the most practical
advice I can offer. I hope this helps
some, and if you have any suggestions
(or noticed something I forgot) I'd love
to hear them and will edit the post to
include them if I find it's valuable.
Otherwise if there are any other
questions I'd be happy to try to answer
them (via editing the post), or through
messages. Good luck and have fun.
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How do I define
plates?
by bsutansalt | September 23, 2015 |
Link
It's time I put a stop to the nonsense
I've been seeing popping up here and
in /r/askreddit now and then as too
many of you chuckleheads are
deluding yourselves.
Women can only be counted as a
"plate" if you've actually having sex
with them on a recurring basis. If
you're still trying to get laid, then
you're not spinning them. If anything
they may be spinning you and as one
of their orbiters!
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Please think critically and honestly
about your relationships and stop
trying to blow smoke up our asses. For
those of us who've been around, we
can see the bullshit from a mile away.
Related:
Plate Theory Part 1
Plate Theory Part 2
Plate Theory Part 3
Plate Theory Part 4
Plate Theory Part 5
Plate Theory Part 6
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Plate Theory Part 1
by Rollo Tomassi | August 19, 2011 |
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Spin More Plates
Spin more plates.
A lot of people get confused when I
use this analogy and I thought it
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prudent to write a post on just what I
mean in this regard.
A Man needs to have a lot of
simultaneous prospects spinning
together. Think of each plate as a
separate woman you are pursuing.
Some fall off and break, others you
may wish to stop spinning altogether
and some may not spin as fast as
you’d like, but the essence of plate
theory is that a man is as confident
and valuable as his options. This is
the essence of the abundance mindset
– confidence is derived from options.
This principle is the key to solving so
many of the problems that dog the
heels of beta AFCs and recovering
AFCs. In fact I would say that this
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ideology should be the cornerstone to
success for a man in many facets of
life, not simply attracting and keeping
women. A man with options has
power, and from these options
and this sense of power, a natural
sense of confidence will manifest
itself. A man without options
becomes necessitous and this leads to
a lack of confidence and a scarcity
mentality. Necessitous men are never
free.
The Cardinal Rule of Relationships
In any relationship, the person with
the most power is the one who needs
the other the least.
When a man spins more plates, when
he has irons in the fire, when he is
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pursuing multiple women
simultaneously, when he has options
equally worth exploring, a man will
have a natural, subconscious (but not
exclusively) understanding that if one
prospect does not expand, others very
well may. This understanding has
manifestations in a man’s behavior
that women key on covertly. There are
mannerisms and attitudes that a man
with options will subconsciously
convey to prospective women that
they interpret, and give this man a
value as a commodity to be competed
for with other females.
On various sites in the PUA
community, men are taught to
emulate this behavior since it is a key
element in attraction and interest.
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Cocky-Funny is one such technique
that trains a confidence behavior that
(more often than not) essentially
masks a deficit of options. In other
words, C&F is a natural behavior for
men with options that must be
compensated for by those who don’t
have an apptitude for it. This is why
the ‘natural’ Alpha male seems to
exude C&F effortlessly while those
without the benefit of more plates
spinning (or the confidence in the
ability of spinning more) struggle with
simple things like eye contact or
initiating approaches. This is also a
fundamental principle in the “I don’t
give a fuck” mentality that pervades
community technique – it’s much
easier to actually not “give a fuck” if
you have other prospects going
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simultaneously.
Shotgun Logic
One very important benefit that Plate
Theory provides for a man is that it
greatly curbs the propensity for
ONEitis both in and out of an LTR.
Outside of an LTR, most guys
subscribe to what I call
the Sniper mentality. This is the AFC
that applies all of his time, effort and
resources to patiently waiting out his
target, waiting for that perfect
opportunity to summon enough
courage in the most precise of
conditions to take his one shot at the
girl, who by then is the focus of his
ONEitis. This process can take
anywhere from a few weeks to a few
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years in extreme cases, but all the
while he voluntarily sacrifices his most
valuable of resource – potential
opportunity. The man who subscribes
to Plate Theory can more easily avoid
this situation as he goes hunting for
women with a Shotgun; scattering as
much influence across the broadest
area possible. While the AFC fishes
with a single line and a single hook,
the Plate Theorist fishes with a trolling
net, selecting the fish worth keeping
and tossing back those who aren’t.
Inside an LTR, Plate Theory becomes
more specified. The AFC placates and
identifies with his partner because the
balance has shifted to her advantage
since he reinforces her understanding
that she is his only source of intimacy.
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I can’t think of a better recipe for
ONEitis since he become progressively
more dependent on her as his only
source of intimacy. The man that
maintains, at the very least, the covert
perception of options, either
professionally or on an intersexual
level (i.e. social proof that other
women will compete for him)
maintains this power balance. Most
successful men have an innate
understanding of this and this explains
their popular reservations for
committing to marriage, In an LTR,
Plate Theory becomes a subtle dance
of perception and recognizing how
your partner interprets understanding
a particular man’s options, but
regardless, it reduces a guy’s
tendency to regress into ONEitis in an
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LTR from his own self-perception and
the confidence int inspires.
Natural Selection
As I illustrated in the fishing net
analogy, spinning more plates allows
you more opportunity to select from
the largest pool of prospective choices
and date them or drop them as you
see fit. This has two benefits. First, it
serves as valuable, though noncommitted, experience for learning
what a man requires for his own
personal satisfaction. Experience
teaches harsh, but it teaches best and
the breadth of experience serves a
man well. Who’s insight is more
beneficial, the man who’s sailed the
world over or the man who’s never
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ventured beyond a lake?
Secondly, opportunity and options
make a man the PRIZE. Rock stars,
professional athletes and movie stars
aren’t irresistible to women because of
their celebrity, but because they
blatantly, and with the highest form of
social proof, prove they have options
that other women will jealously
compete for as well as the confidence
that this unconscious knowledge
naturally manifests itself in them.
What Plate Theory is not
My critics will often take a binary
stance in their arguments with this
idea citing that “they could never be
with more than one woman at a time
out of respect for her” or “so I should
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just lie to her and see other girls on
the side?” To which I’d argue that
these are feminized social conventions
that attempt to thwart a man’s options
in order to establish women as the
prime selectors in intersexual
relations. If it can be conditioned into a
boy/man to ‘feel bad’ about seeing
more than one woman at a time, it
only better serves the female-aschooser dynamic. To be sure, women
are naturally the filters for their own
intimacies, but it is essentially men
who do the sexual selection. These
convention’s latent purpose are
designed to put selection of intimacy
on a conditional basis that favors
women, and as long as men will
internalize this women will have a preconstructed social high-ground.
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The way to circumvent this dynamic is
brutal honesty and a commitment to
truthful, non-exclusivity with the
plates you’re spinning. If you keep
your options above board and are
honest with any one girl and yourself
about your choice to be non-exclusive,
you not only remove the teeth from
this convention, but you also reinforce
yourself as a man with options (or at
least perceived options). Further,
critics will offer “well gee, if I did that
with any woman she’d push off and
dump me” to which I’ll refute – not if
you establish this honestly from the
outset. Most guys who’ve swallowed
the ‘female power’ convention are too
afraid or to preconditioned to even
consider this as an option for seeing
women. Letting a woman know, or
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covertly perceive, that you wont be
exclusive to her pushes your
commodity level up and implies
options and potential success she’ll
compete with other women to be
associated with.
Plate Theory is also, most definitely
not, a license to be indiscriminate with
women. Just because you can spin a
plate doesn’t necessarily mean you
should spin that plate. Some aren’t
worth spinning and a man with options
should have no reservation about
letting one go for a better one or two.
In fact a man ought to be more
discriminating in this regard since it
affords him the best available from the
largest selection.
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Plate Theory Part 2
by Rollo Tomassi | November 2, 2011 |
Link
Women would rather share a high
value Man than be saddled by a
faithful loser.
“I just started applying Plate
Theory, and I have to say with
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all honesty that this is
probably the best thing I’ve
ever done in my entire life.
The feeling of having options
is addictive; the whole idea
that you don’t come from a
necessitous emotional state is
genius, and in fact the more
options you have, the more
attractive you become to
women (through the
unconscious changes in your
behavior), the more women
become attracted to you, and
the more options you have.
Once you get it started, it’s
hard to stop it.
Recently I’ve been Spinning
Plates with some success, but
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there comes a point when I
risk one girl finding out about
another. How do I handle this
without the risk of losing one
of my plates? Should I even
bother with the effort of
spinning plates that aren’t as
high a value as others?”
Real options are the cornerstone of
confidence, so try not to think of it in
terms of risk – as in you’re risking the
loss of “a great girl”. Most guys get to
a point where Game and plate
spinning give them their first taste of
real options to select from or fall back
on when another doesn’t pan out. The
problem arises when they spin enough
plates successfully to the point where
they think they’ve maxed out to their
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“best” option and the old scarcity
mentality returns. Most times a guy
who newly practices Game and plate
spinning never really spins plates per
se; he uses it for the first
monogamous opportunity that’s been
eluding him for so long and calls it
quits. He never actualizes and
internalizes an abundance mentality.
Spinning Plates doesn’t necessarily
mean you’re fucking all of your plates.
It’s more of a spreading out of your
efforts across a wider pool of subjects.
Some will reciprocate, and those you
entertain. Others will not, or prove to
be less desirable, and those you let
fall. This isn’t as difficult as it sounds
once you’ve established your own
resolve to be non-exclusive. At some
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point women will attempt to corner
you into exclusivity and this is where
your resolve will be tested. Women
love to say how they have Rules, well
you must have Rules as well. This
means not shacking up with a woman,
not slipping into any routine with her,
not calling her more than necessary to
set up another sporadic date, saving
your weekends for women who’ve had
a proven IL in you (i.e. sex or intimacy)
and relegating those who haven’t to
Tuesdays & Wednesdays, etc. This
may seem like a lot of
micromanagement, but once you put it
into practice in as pragmatic a way
possible to accomodate your life you’ll
find that the decisions you make
regarding the plates you are choosing
to spin will become automatic.
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If you feel that you have something to
lose with a particular girl, you’re no
longer spinning plates – you’re
thinking and approaching dating in
terms of exclusivity. POOK’s great
quote: “women would rather share a
high value Man than be saddled by a
faithful loser” A lot of guys (and almost
every woman) have a big problem with
the truth of this because they take it
too literally. POOK was never
suggesting that you overtly declare
that you’ll be open to other options
and that your girls should consciously
be expected to accept this. Every
woman takes this quote in this way,
and with good reason because they
don’t want to seem like an easy mark.
When it’s on the table like that it
unsurprisingly becomes an affront to
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their pride and self-worth. However, in
practice, non-exclusivity has to be
covert. It needs to be implied, not
declared. Thus you see the truth in
POOK’s observation – women’s
behavior will bear him out.
Imagination and competition anxiety
paired with implied non-exclusivity are
the tools for successful plate spinning.
Become the commodity she’s
looking for.
A high value Man can spin plates, and
sometimes those plates suspect there
are, or know there are other plates in
his rotation. They’ll tolerate it so long
as he remains high enough value (or
effectively presents that perception) or
hypergamy wil move them along to
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another high value Man. As I state in
Plate Theory, some plates fall off to be
replaced by new plates. You must be
willing and confident enough to let
some of them fall. This is a tough
reality for recovering chumps new to
Game to accept. Deprivation has
conditioned them to hang onto a “sure
thing” and this becomes all the more
difficult when the plate they happen to
drop was the first woman they’d ever
successfully applied Game to, or was
hotter than any girl they’d previously
been with.
As I stated earlier, you don’t have to
be sexual with every one of the plates
you’re spinning (this used to be called
“dating” in the days before serial
monogamy became the fashion). It’s
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the potential in knowing that you could
be, or that there are women who will
value your attention that prompts a
competitive anxiety in women – often
when you don’t even know you’re
doing it. If you are sexual with some of
the plates you’re spinning, so much
the better since you know that they’re
proven commodities and if one isn’t
performing as you’d like, you have the
unconscious knowledge that others
will, or you have the proven ability to
generate more options for yourself.
Monogamy is a byproduct, not a
goal.
One of the biggest hurdles guys have
with Plate Theory is breaking
themselves of this ‘LTR-as-Goal’
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mentality. Obviously I’m not antimonogamy, however monogamy
should never be a goal, it should be a
by-product of Plate Theory, but only
when you’ve properly filtered through
enough plates to understand how
options play into confidence and
controlling the frame. If a woman is
unwilling to be non-exclusive with you
(i.e. “she’ll leave me if I see other
girls” fear) she isn’t a plate to spin.
This seems counterintuitive to a guy
with an LTR-As-Goal mentality and it
is, but the guy who can fearlessly, and
honestly stay above-board with his
intent is the one who’ll be spinning
more plates. Most guys (AFCs in
particular) are deathly afraid of losing
that ONE perfect girl and so never
even attempt to spin more than one
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plate, much less have any others to
compare her ‘perfection’ to in the first
place. I’ve even seen PUAs do exactly
this. They’re so impressed with the
success of newly perfected techniques
that they settle for the ONE ‘dream
girl’ and find that their attentions
become valueless to her because she
perceives she is his only option for
intimacy, his script gets flipped on
him, and he gets marginalized. It’s not
a failure in technique, but rather a
failure in his mindset.
So what do you do to establish your
plates and be truly, and successfully,
non-exclusive with women? Initially I’d
suggest doing exactly what most
women have perfected for the better
part of their lifetimes, stay
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intentionally ambiguous. Women
practice Plate Theory by default – they
play the Coquette (hard to get), they
know how to be ambiguous enough to
keep their options open, but not so
much as to let a guy’s interest fail.
They naturally know that we only
chase what runs away from us. They
never commit fully, but still keep the
carrot in front of the donkey.
Women communicate COVERTLY, with
gesture, with looks, with veiled
meanings – you have to communicate
your intent to be non-exclusive
COVERTLY. Never OVERTLY tell a
woman you’ve got other plates than
her spinning. Allow her to discover this
by your mannerisms, your behaviors,
and definitely by your availability to
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her. Create value through scarcity,
don’t be so available to her, but just
enough to keep her interest and allow
her mind to consider that maybe you
have other options. Even when you
don’t, fomenting this anxiety is a VERY
useful tool for you while you do get
more plates to spin. Even the ambient
confidence that comes from knowing
you have a past, proven, ability to
generate more sexual options for
yourself will manifest itself in your
personality and trigger this
competition anxiety.
At some point a woman will resort to
OVERT communications when she’s
run out of options in her COVERT
communications tool set. This is the
point the anxiety becomes unbearable
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and the need for security forces her to
be OVERT. This is usually the stage at
which she’s ask something like “where
is this going?” or “am I your
girlfriend?” or she may even give you
an ultimatum. See this for what it is,
she feels powerless and this is a press
to commit. This is the point at which
you will end up as a “cheater” or you’ll
continue to spin plates. You actually
have a lot of options in this situation,
in fact more than you will ever have
with any individual woman. You can of
course take the coward’s path and just
agree to exclusivity with her, but in
doing so you lose all options (for as far
as you’re willing to commit) as she
intently becomes your only means of
intimacy. She becomes the broker for
your sexuality and you lose power,
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whereas before YOU were in control of
your sexual availability.
You could continue to spin her as well,
but bear in mind she’s resorted to
OVERTLY confronting you about it and
it wont be the last you hear of it.
Depending on how long you’ve had
her around, you may simply just let
her drop. You might also keep her
going, but let her cool a bit and come
back to her in a few week’s time.
Again, this seems counterintuitive, but
your attention will either wildly
increase in her value of it or she’ll
simply bug out in which case it wasn’t
worth pursuing and you aren’t wasting
your time and effort on a woman with
less than 100% IL.
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Confidence is derived from
options.
Don’t think of plate theory as a filter
so much as it is a means to reinforce
confidence. If you were to step into the
ring with a professional UFC fighter
right now it’d probably be suicide for
you. But train for a few years, spar
with other fighters and win a few bouts
and you’ll probably be confident
enough in your past performances that
you know you can hold your own in the
ring. That’s the idea, confidence
derived from the options of nonexclusive women in hand and from
having successfully generated those
options in the past.
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exclusivity game. The goal isn’t
racking up as many women as
humanly possible in order to sift
through the throng and find that one
little golden flower. In fact that’s the
key to disaster. There is no Quality
Woman, that’s an idealization. Some
are better than others of course, but
you don’t find the perfect woman, you
make the perfect woman. There is no
needle in the haystack – that is
Scarcity / ONEitis thinking – the point
is to mold yourself and any woman
who you do exclusively end up with
into your own frame. This is a process
that should come before you commit
to exclusivity, not after. The world is
filled with guys forever trying to catch
up, control the frame and be the Man
they should’ve been long before they
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entered an LTR. They spend the better
part of their LTRs/Marriages trying to
prove that they deserve their GF’s /
Wife’s respect when they’d have done
better in letting her come to that
conclusion well before the
commitment through a healthy dose of
competition anxiety.
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Plate Theory Part 3
by Rollo Tomassi | November 3, 2011 |
Link
You cannot help anyone until you’ve
first helped yourself.
The following was posted with
permission from a consult I did.
Hi Rollo, my name
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is Akash and I am big fan of
your posts. They are always
lucid, logical, and insightful.
I discovered the community
about 5 months ago after yet
another failed relationship
characterized by highly AFC
behavior on my part. I ended
it with a tremendous amount
of guilt as I felt that because
she was a “good person” I
ought to have made it work
even though I wasn’t in love
with her. I am 27 years old.
Based on your posts I would
really appreciate your advice
on two issues:
(1) how to make the best use
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of my impending return to
school in May for a second
undergraduate degree and;
(2) how to overcome the
cognitive dissonance I feel
about pursuing women
outside the confines of a
committed relationship as I
still suffer from social
conditioning that tells me I
will hurt women by pursuing
primarily sexual relationships
with them and so it is immoral
to do so.
If you would like to post a
reply on the forum, rather
than by a PM, for the benefit
of others that is fine with me.
I wanted to direct these
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queries to you though as I
believe I could benefit from
your worldy wise opinion.
Sincerely look forward to
hearing from you.
Best,
Akash
Akash,
I’ll give you a run down of what I can
gather from your initial post, but
understand that what you’ve given me
here is pretty limited as far as
information is concerned. I can only
assume certain things from the very
brief description of your life so take
what I write with that in mind. In the
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future give me a better account of
what your AFC behaviors were, how
your relationships have ended, family
background, where you live, why
you’re pursuing a second degree, etc. I
can be more accurate and avoid
assumptions this way.
To begin with, you’ve only been
involved in the “community” for the
past 5 months so the first thing I’m
going to tell you is that it takes time to
mold your personality and unlearn
mental schemas you’ve become
conditioned to consider integral parts
of your current personality. One of the
biggest obstacles most men have with
accepting the fundaments of a positive
masculine mindset is the attitude that
personality is static and uncontrollable
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by them. A lot of this “that’s just how I
am” mentality comes from this basic
conditioning and needs to be
addressed from the outset since this
almost universally is an egoinvestment on the part of a guy who’s
probably emotionally distressed,
confused and/or frustrated.
Understand now that personality is
ultimately what YOU determine it to
be. This isn’t to say that external
factors don’t influence personality;
indeed these variables and outside
influences are exactly the reason men
such as yourself do seek out the
community. However, it is you who
determine what is comfortable for you
and what will constitute the traits that
makes your personality your own. You
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are most definitely not a blank slate,
but you have the capacity to erase
parts you don’t like or are unusable
and rewrite new parts that you like
and prove efficient.
(1) how to make the best use of
my impending return to school in
May for a second undergraduate
degree
This all depends on what your own
personal goals are. The best use you
can make of this time is to devote
yourself completely to achieving the
purpose for which you decided to
pursue a second degree in the first
place. I can only assume you are
working for this degree with a set
outcome in mind, but is this what you
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truly want? I ask this because I know
far too many men who’ve altered the
course of their lives to better
accommodate the women in their lives
or to facilitate their insecurities and
fear of rejection. It’s not an unfamiliar
story to me to hear of how a guy opted
for a certain university or a career
path because he’d convinced himself
that it would sustain a relationship
that he was fearful of loosing or he felt
was his “responsibility as a man” to be
supportive of her ambitions at the
sacrifice of his own. The conclusion of
this scenario, more often than not,
ends with a bitter man, mad at himself
with the long term results of his
choices after the woman he’d strived
so long to accommodate leaves him
for another man who held fast to his
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own identity and ambition – which is
exactly what makes him attractive.
I’m not sure how or if this fits into your
conditions, but let it serve as an
illustration for reclaiming and
remolding your own personality. Only
you have the hindsight to assess why
you made certain decisions in your
life. I’m only asking you to be as
brutally critical of your true
motivations for making them. Maybe
it’s time you review why you decided
to pursue a second degree?
(2) how to overcome the cognitive
dissonance I feel about pursuing
women outside the confines of a
committed relationship as I still
suffer from social conditioning
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that tells me I will hurt women by
pursuing primarily sexual
relationships with them and so it
is immoral to do so.
Akash, any reasonably attractive
woman knows you’d like to have sex
with her. It’s a primal, chemical
instinct and to be bluntly honest,
there’s nothing wrong with it. In
certain Muslim sects men are allowed
to take “temporary” wives for a set
period of time in addition to their
“permanent” wives so long as they
support them financially. Some
Mormons practice open polygamy in a
similar fashion. Some men marry and
divorce multiple times (and support
them congruously). All of these
practices are considered, to a greater
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or lesser degree, moral. The
dissonance occurs when the
rationalizations for a behavior conflict
with the motivations for it and the
associative psycho-social stigmas that
get attached to it. Sorry for the $10
words here, but your feelings of guilt
or hesitancy in a desire to explore
multiple relationships is a calculated
result of a very effective social
conditioning with a latent purpose
meant to curb a natural impulse.
Recognizing this is the first step to
progressing beyond it and actually
using it (responsibly) to your own
advantage. As men, our biological
impetus is to have unlimited access to
unlimited sexuality with females
bearing the best physical attributes.
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This is a rudimentary fact and on some
level of consciousness both men and
women understand this. No amount of
proselytizing or social conditioning will
erase what God and evolution hardcoded into our collective biopsychological desires and behaviors.
Admittedly, social conventions have
historically made a good run at
limiting this drive, but it can never (nor
should it ever) purge this, because in
essence it is a survival-ensuring
attribute for us.
I wont argue against the utility in the
latent purpose of absolute monogamy.
No other method proves more
valuable in parental investment and
developing a strong masculine and
feminine psyche in a person than that
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of a committed, opposite sex, twoparent family. I feel it’s necessary to
add here that I am thoroughly
unconvinced that gender identity is
exclusively a set of learned behaviors
as many in the mainstream would try
to convince us of. There is simply too
much biological evidence and the
resulting psychological/behavioral
response to gender differences to
accept this, making it vitally important
that a child (and later a healthy adult)
be taught a healthy appreciation for
both the masculine and feminine
influences in their psyches.
The genders were meant to be
complimentary, not adversarial. I
certainly would never condone
infidelity based on just this principle
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alone since it seems the most
beneficial for healthy adults. It’s when
this healthy monogamy becomes
clouded by infantile, emotionality and
insecure romanticisms with the
resulting expectations that are derived
by them that it becomes necessary for
a man to cultivate an attitude of being
the PRIZE. Adopting this mindset
broadens his selection of opportunities
for monogamy to his greatest
advantage prior to committing to
monogamy. In other words, if you are
essentially sacrificing your capacity to
pursue your biological imperative
(unlimited access to unlimited
sexuality), pragmatically, you’ll want
to choose a partner of the highest
quality from the broadest pool of
potential you are capable of attracting.
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The downside of this proposition is
twofold. First, your ability to attract a
sizable pool of quality ‘applicants’ is
limited by factors you immediately
have available. At 37, if all goes well,
you’ll be more financially stable and
mature than you are at 27. The 37
year old Akash will, in theory, be more
attractive to a long term prospect than
the 27 year old Akash. Secondly,
women’s sexual value decreases as
they age, meaning there is no
guarantee that your beautiful,
vivacious, 27 year old bride will remain
so at 37. In fact the odds are she wont.
All of this makes betting your
biological imperative on monogamy
critically important and thus deserving
of the widest possible selection.
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Men literally live and die
according to their options, so it
stands to reason they ought to
entertain a prolonged period in
their lives where they are open to
exploring the most options they
have access to while concurrently
developing and improving
themselves prior to making a
commitment of this magnitude.
And this is precisely where most men
fail. They buy into and internalize
psychological social contrivances (i.e.
ONEitis) that are little more than
effective means of inculcating a selfexpectation of accountability and
liability to make this commitment,
irrespective of maturity level or
personal success (not simply financial
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success). The saddest ones, the AFC
ones are the pitiable men who carry
these contrivances into marriage and
even old age without ever
understanding that they had more
potential which they squandered due
to an inability to see past these
contrivances and learn to be selective
based on experience.
A truly powerful Man jealously guards
his most precious resources; his
independence and his ability to
maneuver. In other words his options
and his ability to exercise them. True
power isn’t controlling others, but the
degree to which you control the course
of your own life and your own choices.
Commitment to anything ALWAYS
limits this. When you step through one
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door, a hundred more close behind
you. You’re free to do what you want,
right? You can always quit a job,
divorce a wife, change your school,
etc., but how many men do you know
who are what they are today as a
result of their own real doing,
unfettered by how their choices
impact their GF, wife, kids, parents,
etc.? By comparison, how many guys
do you know who dutifully stick with a
dead-end job that’s slowly killing them
because it’s better than dealing with
the consequences and backlash it
would have on his family? Are they
free to quit? Sure, but not without an
impact on their families and
relationships.
So where does this leave you? You
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have 2 paths as I see it. You can sarge
and explore your options with multiple
LTRs and, should you decide to
become sexually involved, do so while
maintaining non-exclusivity with them.
Put off and unlearn the expectations
you’ve been conditioned to accept
through (feminine beneficent) social
contrivances and truly explore your
opportunities while bettering your own
conditions in anticipation for becoming
monogamous at some later point. Or,
you can remain in your sense of moral
doctrine (no shame in this) and still
non-exclusively date and explore your
options while you continue to better
yourself with the caveat that you know
you’ll be limiting your depth of
experience. I wont denigrate a
decision to opt for this, but far too few
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religious men have the perseverance
to stay objective in their decision to
‘hold out’ and overlook major
character flaws in women they’d like
to be their spouse in a furious rush to
marry them and get to “the sex part.”
Better to fall short in conviction than
make hurried decisions that will alter
your life.
And perhaps this isn’t even what
you’re driving at? I don’t know if it’s a
religious conviction or an internalized
social contrivance that passes for one
that’s the cause of your hesitancy, but
isn’t it interesting that both are so
closely associated? I know devout
atheists who still believe in the fallacy
of the ONE or the soulmate myth. Most
women (and far too many men) look at
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me as if I’d denied the existence of
God when I elaborate on why I think
their eHarmony, induced fantasy of a
soulmate is hogwash and
psychologically damaging on a social
scale.
Regardless, whatever your reasons,
women should only ever be a
compliment to a man’s life, never the
focus of it. When you start living for a
woman you become that woman.
Never again compromise your own
identity to receive the ever-changing
approval she grants you. You have to
be the PRIZE at all times, not just
while you’re single. In fact, it’s
imperative that you remain so into an
LTR. My suggestion to you is not to
even entertain the idea of monogamy
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until you are established in your
career for 2 years, after your college is
complete. Play the field, do whatever,
but do not commit even to a girlfriend.
Rather make a commitment to
yourself, promise yourself you wont
allow yourself to let emotionality and
conditioned expectations of
monogamy dictate what your goals
will be or how you’ll achieve them.
It’s called enlightened self-interest;
you cannot help anyone until you’ve
first helped yourself.
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Plate Theory Part 4
by Rollo Tomassi | December 30, 2011
| Link
Whenever a guy uninitiated to the
concept of spinning plates reads the
theory for the first time his first
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response is usually rejection of it
because it conflicts with their
monogamy-as-goal mindset.
Understand, this is always going to be
a tough stretch for any AFC of course,
but also the ‘natural’ guy who doesn’t
have much trouble attracting women.
Monogamy-as-a-goal is a feminine
imperative social contrivance, but it
also has roots in our natural desire for
security, so it makes anything even
remotely like plate spinning
counterintuitive. The feminine
imperative pounds into men’s
collective consciousnesses over the
course of a lifetime that monogamy
will cure loneliness, make them
responsible, provide them with a
constant supply of sex, and a host of
other things that assures them it’s
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“the right thing to do” and in their own
best interest. This then leads the more
option-less individuals to develop and
practice AFC methods and rationales
in accordance with what they believe
(and have been told by) women is
required of them in order to achieve
their monogamous intimacy.
So understandably when the principle
of being non-exclusive is presented to
them in a rational way (in stead of a
ridiculed way as it’s normally passed
off as) it conflicts with this perceived
path to happiness in monogamy. The
very idea that any man would be
better off with more options in this
arena of life, or could feasibly and
logistically pull it off seems foreign. As
a counter to this he makes up
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rationales as to why it wont work or
wont work for him.
Logistics
“I can’t spin plates because I
have too little time, I can’t
manage more than one
without the other finding out,
etc.”
If you are indeed spinning plates in a
healthy, upfront, non-exclusive way
this should never be an issue. There
are Game-aware Men with less time
than most who manage 4-5 different
girls in a week without having them
consume all their leisure and business
time. I don’t suggest that you go this
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exclusivity. However, the reason they
are capable of this is because they’ve
perfected plate spinning effectively
enough to have the plates spin
themselves.
Most uninitiated AFCs reason that they
MUST, at all costs, apply a constant
effort to each and every girl they
encounter at risk of losing a “good
one.” Besides this being indicative of
‘soul-mate thinking’, what they fear is
losing a plate because they are
unaccustomed to having the leisure to
do so. This is evidence of a scarcity
mentality that is a result of their
monogamy-as-goal preconditioning.
Plate Theory necessitates an attitude
of fearlessness – not carelessness,
fearlessness. When you’re practicing
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Plate Theory your plates should call
you. You are the PRIZE and the Prince
who’s time is valuable and sought
after. You should be the object of
women’s pursuit. That said, you still
have to make an effort to see them
and keep the attention you do apply to
them valuable, but this must be done
with the attitude that if one plate falls
you’re confident in your other options
or your ability to generate new
options.
Personality Type
“I’m just not like that. I don’t
want to be considered a
playah. I could never do that
to a woman. How can anyone
be like that?”
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This rationale is a common one and
not limited just to AFCs. There are
plenty of otherwise confident,
positively masculine men who’d still
think they owe it to women to allow
them to set the frame of their
relationships without any fear of
competition anxiety. Players are men
who’re dishonest – they are not
spinning plates because they are
isolating each plate independent of
the other, and this goes back to
logistics. Of course you can’t find time
for anything else if all you do is try to
coordinate each individual story with
each plate for fear that they discover
each other. The plate spinning Man
has no need for this, because
he NEVER IMPLIES EXCLUSIVITY TO
ANY PLATE. Either they accept this or
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they’re not a plate to consider. Done
in a frank, honest, yet indirect abovetable way you will not be a ‘Player’
and you will establish yourself as Man
who’s attention is worth competing
for.
Women would rather share a
successful man than be saddled with a
faithful loser. This perfectly sums up
Plate Theory vs. Monogamy-as-Goal
mindsets. Men in general gravely
underestimate the power of female
competition anxiety and how useful it
really is. As I’ve said before, women
are natural plate theorists – they are
accustomed from a very early age to
mitigate multiple sex-interests, they
simply learn how to balance their
indirect communications with that
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anxiety in their own plate spinning.
Anxiety in women is good for men.
Even when they make no effort to use
it or would never consider it if they
knew it’s usefulness it is ALWAYS
present. Everything a woman does on
a daily basis is colored by competition
anxiety. Make up, clothing, shoes
(God, the SHOES!), indirect
communications with men and
women, social contrivances,
comparing and evaluating dates and
possible suitors, EVERYTHING is bourn
from this competitive desire to achieve
security with the best possible guy and
make damn sure the girl next door
doesn’t get him first. This anxiety is
analogous to men’s consummate fear
of rejection and all of the myriad
rationales he’ll create and the Buffers
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he’ll devise to avoid it.
Bear in mind that monogamy is a
dictate of the feminine imperative. It is
the social contract that the feminine
ultimately needs in order to quell a
constant desire for security in a very
chaotic world. When you are
predisposed to monogamy-as-goal
thinking, or trying to break yourself of
this, understand that this is a tool of
the feminine imperative. That’s not to
discount the overall merits of
monogamy, but it is to make you
aware of how it’s acculturated into
men as a responsibility to providing
monogamy. Men who find themselves
in a state of internal conflict about
abandoning monogamy-as-goal are
really confronting a fundamental shift
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in their prior conditioning.
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How do I choose
plates?
by Whisper | January 4, 2016 | Link
So some dumbass in /r/asktrp just got
dumped after playing
CaptainSaveAHo, and now Professor
Whisper has to call school back into
session, because some of y'all haven't
done the basic reading.
This is HumanSockPuppet's Bitch
Management Heirarchy.
It is not optional. It is required reading.
Understand the four ranks.
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Plates
Level 0: One-Night Stand
Level 1: Plate
Level 2: Friends with Benefits.
Level 3: Significant Other -orGirlfriend.
Understand the principles of
promoting and demoting.
Understand that no sexual act ever
leads to promotion. Sexual acts are
simply required to keep a woman from
getting demoted.
Understand that once a woman has
been demoted, she can never be
promoted again.
Understand that there is no rank 4. A
woman cannot be worthy of marriage,
because marriage has been turned
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into a deal that no human being could
possibly be worthy of.
Now we need some additional
supplemental material, because
apparently, this isn't enough to stop
some men from giving women things
they haven't earned.
The ranks are distinguished by
nature, not just degree, as follows:
Rank 0 is the rank of sex.
Rank 1 is the rank of repeated
contact.
Rank 2 is the rank of non-sexual
social time.
Rank 3 is the rank of emotional
investment.
These are what a woman gets by
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being promoted to each rank.
At rank 0, she gets to have sex
with you.
At rank 1, she gets to see you
again.
At rank 2, she gets to hang out
with you, not just for the purpose
of fucking.
At rank 3, she gets to be
invested in and cared about.
The Bitch Management Hierarchy
also has maximum ranks.
There are women who are not worthy
of the distinguishing feature of each
rank, by virtue of their history. This is
distinct from demotion, which is
triggered by their behaviour with
you... this is about their behaviour
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ever.
Women who are not worthy of sex
(rank 0):
Women who do not maintain
their bodies in an attractive (to
you) state.
Women who do not protect
themselves and their partners
from sexual diseases.
Women who are not worthy of
repeated contact (rank 1):
Women who do not make any
effort to ensure your sexual
pleasure (selfish in bed).
Women who are controlling or try
to police your contact with other
women.
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Women whom you didn't enjoy
your first encounter with for any
reason having to do with her.
Women who withhold sex to try
to get promoted.
Women who are not worthy of social
time (rank 2):
Single mothers.
Women who are embarrassing to
be seen with (no class, don't
know how to act in public,
dresses like a slob).
Women who are not exclusive to
you.
Women who are not worthy of
emotional investment (rank 3):
Women who have cheated, ever.
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Even with you.
Women who are disobedient, or
refuse sex.
This is not an exhaustive list.
WHY SO MANY RULES?
Because we're in remedial mode. Like
the clueless waif who set me off on
this rant, many of you do not value
yourselves, and do not value your time
and investment. You give it away too
cheaply, to the first women who wets
your penis or follows your lead.
If you do not value yourself no
one else will. And understanding the
Bitch Management Hierarchy is the
first step on the road to recovery. The
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value, and your attention as highvalue. If you are coming from a
position of sexual scarcity, you must
vigorously police yourself against the
tendency to overvalue sex.
Hard and fast rules will help you do
this.
#Whisper
I have a Bitcoin donation address:
1DChc2Azt3zGHbZcwBwPG42jL9B8Suk
tdD.
It's there because I resent reddit
passing the hat after I speak, and then
giving me a gold sticker and keeping
the hat for themselves.
Donate, or don't, as you wish, but
please do not gild.
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How do I maintain
plates?
by redpillbanana | October 27, 2014 |
Link
Spinning plates can be seen as an
"antifragile" lifestyle. Rather than
trying to build one relationship that is
immune to failure, you're building
many relationships and assuming that
any individual relationship WILL fail at
some point in the future.
(Warning: geeky analogy ahead.)
Your set of plates can be seen as a
sex/relationship "cluster". The analogy
would be to compute clusters.
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If you're using one machine, and it
goes down, you're dead in the water
and you'll be scrambling to repair or
replace it, paying top dollar to get
something fast. You'll probably get
ripped off since you haven't really
been shopping around.
Similarly, if you're in one relationship,
and you break up, you'll be left with
nothing and you'll be scrambling to
get your partner back or desperately
hunting for that rebound relationship.
The problem is that at this point you're
out of practice since you probably
haven't been flirting much with other
women during your LTR, so not only
did you lose your relationship, you've
also lost your flirting skills - this also
might have contributed to the
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relationship failure.
With a cluster of machines (and the
proper management), one machine or
even multiple machines can go down
and service will not be interrupted.
Similarly, with a cluster of plates, one
or more of the relationships can end
but you'll still have your active plates.
In a machine cluster, if you have
machine failures, eventually you have
to go in and replace the failed
machines. It's not an emergency since
the good machines are still online, but
still somewhat urgent. You're in a
more fragile state than before since
the working machines are probably
taking on more of the load and thus
more prone to failure - and with a
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smaller cluster, you can't afford as
many failures as before. Luckily, since
it is not an emergency, you can shop
around for the best deals and possibly
take advantage of new technology.
Since you're continually replacing
machines over time, you'll build up a
streamlined process for doing so and
also get better at negotiating deals.
With a plate cluster, as individual
relationships fail, you'll need to seek
new plates to build your cluster back
up. This means that you're constantly
maintaining and improving your
charm, physical fitness, and personal
appearance. This will make your more
attractive and more resilient over time
and will also help maintain your
current relationships. Also, building
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your plate cluster back up is not an
emergency so you won't be looking in
desperation - and we all know that
women can smell desperation.
Real life example: recently I lost 3
plates at once. One had to return to
her home city, one got an exclusive
boyfriend, and one just went AWOL.
My response?
See my other plates a bit more
often. This makes them happy
because they always want to
spend more time with me.
However, I don't want to push it
too far and be seen as needy.
Use the extra time to build up
my pipeline. I have four
promising leads right now (some
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of whom I'd already been going
on dates with) and more to
come.
Use my leftover spare time to
see other friends, finish projects,
sleep more, etc. I'm happy to
have the extra time to get stuff
done.
Don't burn any bridges. Any of
the 3 plates that left might
return in the future. In fact, one
of them has left me before and
returned a year later.
Another good antifragile analogy is
comparing a taxi driver to an office
worker:
To get a picture of how
randomness plays a role in
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professional life, Taleb
compares two brothers: one
an office worker, the other a
taxi driver. Volatility is
present in the career of each:
while the office worker has
randomness “smoothed
away” by the regularity of
salary and employment, he is
like a turkey in midNovember, fragile to risk
presently out of view. On the
other hand, the taxi driver-who Taleb describes as being
of the class of artisan, much
like a carpenter or plumber-experiences a natural
randomness in his daily
fluctuations of fares, but is
less prone to large shocks.
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Indeed, Taleb writes, the selfemployed artisan can be
antifragile: a weeklong
earnings decline tells the taxi
driver to try a new part of
town, while a mistake made
in the cubicle farm will be
kept on the permanent
record. As well, the office
worker has one main
employer and thus rigidity,
while the taxi driver has
many--giving him more
options, greater flexibility to
adapt to his environment.
So, for those who like to spin plates:
Maintain your plate cluster well.
Always be improving your skills
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and appearance.
Keep your pipeline active.
Don't burn bridges, as broken
plates can turn into boomerangs.
This was originally a reply to "If you're
the Alpha Fucks, don't get mad about
the reality of Beta Bucks." by
/u/TRPsubmitter, and inspired by "The
Antifragile Red Pill Man" by
/u/deepthrill.
P.S. I can anticipate the outrage
already. Sex cluster!! OMG these guys
look at women as interchangeable
machines to be bought and discarded I can't even imagine such a horrible
thought! Guys, it's just an analogy.
Edit: Reading the "cubicle farm" part, I
just realized that the brother who is an
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employee is working for a business
that is antifragile. The employee can
leave, die, or be terminated, and the
business will keep going because there
is an employee cluster. The taxi driver
inverts that relationship, clustering the
employers rather than the employees.
But the taxi driver is also working for
the taxi company (or is a contractor),
so he's part of a cluster too.
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Are we exclusive?
Handling "The Talk."
by mattyanon | June 9, 2016 | Link
Rollo has just posted an excerpt of his
excellent The Talk
Here's my strategy on dealing with
this sort of thing.
Strategies for dealing with female
demands for exclusivity (which she
is absolutely not entitled to):
Head it off before it starts. They
often start subtle by implying
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you are a player (chuckle as if
it's true even if it's not). Or
subtle expectations of current
exclusivity (chuckle as if it's not
true even if it is). As much as
possible attempt to neither
confirm nor deny. Frame your
relationship ambiguously from
the start, by refusing to define it
at all. Neither confirm not deny
involvement with other women.
Be unavailable some of the time.
Obviously do not show provider
behaviour. This leads to female
comfort, female "make him wait"
behaviour and male sexual
frustration.
Less obviously - do not show
commitment behaviour. No
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promises of future meetings. Gap
after each meeting where there
is no future meeting agreed. The
lifestyle is: arrange, meet, gap,
arrange, meet, gap, etc. NOT
meet and arrange next, meet
and arrange next, meet and
arrange next. Do not let girls
arrange the next meeting while
you're with them (they often do
this right after sex). There must
be a regular "nothing arranged in
the future" gap. She must have a
tinge of fear about losing you
rather than the perpetual
certainty she'll see you every
Saturday or every night at home
or every second Sunday. (Allow
occasional exceptions for special
occasions, but observe how her
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behaviour changes - you'll get
less attention from her and she'll
be less sexual).
If confronted, be vague. "Hey
baby... I thought we had a nice
thing going here... we like each
other, we enjoy spending time
together, and who knows what
the future holds? There are no
certainties in life, but I know that
when I'm with you, I'm with you".
For bonus points if you're brave:
"But I do know this... love will
always find a way...."
If given a total absolute do-or-die
ultimatum, retract commitment
and treat the relationship as over
but don't close the door fully...
"Oh... oh I see... I'm sorry that it's
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come to this for you.... what we
had was pretty good.... I know I
enjoyed it a lot and I thought you
were having a good time too...
I'm really sorry that you've had
to make these
threats/ultimatums/demands" ie
frame the relationship as over,
but keep the conversation going
long enough for her to hamster
her way around to your way of
thinking as she realises her bluff
isn't working. Do not trigger an
ego-battle, do not walk out, do
not hang up, do not say "you
need me more than I need you"
or anything else ego-triggering.
Just stay talking, stay happy,
assume the relationship is over,
start planning out your next
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conquest, keep the convo going.
It's in your best interests. Keep
that ego in check.
Before this shit even starts... always
be prepared to walk away. Always
have the option to walk away. In fact,
plan your escape constantly (limited
shared friends, separate lives, living
arrangements, finances, she never has
the option to fuck you over, etc)
You are better off single than
exclusive. Exclusive is when she starts
to turn the thumbscrews just as your
game is going down the toilet. Just
don't do it.
Additional suggestions from
u/FrameWalker on reddit: avoid
sleepovers, don't meet her friends,
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don't see her more than once a week,
and don't treat her like a girlfriend. (ie
avoiding commitmenty things and
limiting affection especially non-sexual
affection).
The worst possible number of
women is one.
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How to use dating
sites?
by OmLaLa | July 14, 2015 | Link
TL;DR- This is a concise and updated
guide on how to approach dating sites
(with examples).
95% of the women I’ve "met
with"/plated in the past couple months
I’ve met on dating sites. I’m going to
explain how.
A few months ago in an article entitled
Local Sexy Single Women (LSSWs), I
constructed a guideline which
summarized an effective approach to
handling dating sites within our
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feminine online social landscape. Here
I will be updating that approach.
First, some key notes:
All women on dating sites are not
primarily serious about meeting
in-person. Women use dating
sites purely for validation. It is
your goal to pull them from this
mindset and into your frame.
Once this has occurred, the rest
becomes easy.
Dicks don’t attract chicks.
Women don’t want to see your
dick. Women are aroused by the
high SMV man attached to your
dick. Don’t go waving your dick
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around unless it’s explicitly
asked for. Don’t be that dick.
Dicks are like pens. Everyone's
got one, most people'll loan you
one if you ask for it and unless
it's super unique, nobody cares
about it.
Approach LSSWs and dating sites
like baking. You don’t begin
baking a cake as soon as your
starving and you don’t only bake
one cake in case something goes
wrong. Approach multiple women
at once, only approach women
you’d be excited to fuck and be
ready to let them “bake” for at
least a few days. Abundance
mentality is a prerequisite to
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success.
Be attractive. I cannot stress this
one enough. Take your shirt off
and look at yourself in the mirror
as objectively as possible. If an
attractive woman would look odd
standing beside you, she’ll feel
the same way. Lift hard and feel
confident in taking shirtless
pictures of yourself before even
attempting this guide. Insecurity
always bleeds through.
Don’t hover. A lot of dating sites
will inform you when you have a
visitor. Don’t be that guy that
visits her profile every hour. She
will notice and it will put her off.
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Be distant. I check dating sites
roughly 3 times a day, even if my
phone blows up (luckily I have a
work phone and a play phone).
That leaves a lot of messages
unanswered for hours at a time.
Distance creates intrigue,
distance shows you’ve got a life,
distance shows how unimportant
she is to your daily life. This
should be like baking a cake; you
only take it out when it’s ready,
so be patient and go read a
book.
Insecurity always shows. If you’re
uncomfortable being shirtless
online, it’ll show. If you think the
LSSW is out of your league, it’ll
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show. If you’re desperate to bang
the next LSSW that messages
you, it’ll show. Strong frame is
also a prerequisite to this guide.
Be ready to drop out at any time.
I don’t care how hot she was. I
don’t care how well it was going.
I don’t care how it seemed like a
sure thing. Women and LSSWs
are fickle, and remember that
you are not real to them until
you’re standing in front of them.
They don’t feel the need to
hamster or explain their actions
to someone who doesn’t exist.
So until you’re sitting in their
living room sipping on whiskey
and coke, don’t expect any
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compassion or mercy from them.
Avoid single mothers. Single
mothers are dominant out of
necessity; due to the lack of a
father-figure in the relationship,
the strong, stern frame must be
developed by the mother in
order to effectively discipline her
children. As a result, single
mothers typically come across as
dominant, agressive and usually
provide the greatest amount of
"drama" and shit-tests. They're
typically only on dating site in
search of a replacement beta
provider. It's not worth the effort.
Organization is key. Once you've
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become accustomed to this
approach, you'll notice a stark
increase in the amount of women
you'll be in contact with.
Organize them. In my contacts
under "Name" I put there first
name, the site I met them on,
then the city or county they
reside in. Melody POF Seattle or
Gabby Tinder NYC. This'll help
you keep track of who's who.
Don't start until you're ready. A
strong frame, attractive figure
and abundance mentality are
REQUIRED prior to attempting
this guide. If you don't have
these 3 qualities yet or you feel
that they could use
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improvement, handle that first. A
lot of how you'll be judged as an
alpha from here on will be based
solely on perception and not
necessarily the reality of your
situation. Because of this, these
qualities need to become second
nature and aspects of yourself
you don't have to think about.
You need to know your frame is
strong, know you're attractive
and know you could move on if
you had to.
Know what you want and only
aim for that. I'm very attracted to
women with long thin legs and a
very slim frame OR thicker
women with large breasts. The
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women who clearly show these
traits in their pictures are the
only ones I message. I say this
because if you think they might
have the traits you like but
you're unsure, you open yourself
to being catfished by an
unattractive woman with good
photography skills.
Don't be afraid of WonderTits™
one-word responses. If she's
responding to you at all, she's
interested to some degree and
the guide still stands. This goes
double for WonderTits™, who
probably get 10x the messages
compared to ordinary women.
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Understand you opponent.
Always think from the LSSW's
perpective: they receive up to 50
messages a day, don't respond
to most of them, but something
about your profile picture and
bios caught her attention. Find
out what that something is and
exploit it. Also, if you're noticing
a point in the guide where a lot
of LSSWs are dropping off, find
out why and repair it.
Learn from your failures. I've
dropped the ball countless times
and so will you. Figure out what
you said, how you said it and
why you said whatever you said
that lost her interest. Maybe you
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responded too soon? Maybe you
came off as insecure or
desperate? Remember, for this to
work her perception of you is
what matters. I'll be repeating
this a lot.
Money doesn't matter. Don't talk
on how much you make or flash
around your wealth. She'll
perceive it as compensation for
something else or perceive you
as a potential provider, both of
which you don't want.
Turn off those pesky
notifications. A watched pot
never boils. If you see pending
messages from POF, Tinder or
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OKC every time you check your
phone, you're pretty likely to
respond too soon. Go into your
phone's settings and turn off
those pesky notification pop-ups
so pending messages can be
addressed at your leisure.
PART 1- DATING SITES
As I’ve stated above, most LSSWs
aren’t serious about meeting any of
the guys they see online in-person. It’s
like a game to them; the more men in
their inbox, the more attractive they
perceive themselves and the more
confident they feel. You are not real
to her until you are standing in
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front of her. The goal of this guide is
to make that happen in as short a time
span as possible while cutting out as
much “shit-test”, “I have to get to
know you first”, “I’m not that type of
girl” BS as possible.
The goal of this section will be to get
her number as effortlessly as possible
ALL WHILE MAINTAINING YOUR FRAME.
I stress this because getting a number
is meaningless if the LSSW’s
*perception of you is beta or a
validation resource. Until you’re
standing right in front of her,
perception is all you have - false or
otherwise. She must perceive you as
alpha all the way through for this to
succeed or else you’ll all fall on your
ass in Part 2.*
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--Building Your Profile-1. Shirtless pics for days. Grow
some balls, stand in front of a body
mirror, take some shirtless pictures
are throw them on your profile. I’ve
got 4 on mine. Also, include some high
SMV photos of you doing interesting
things or visiting interesting places
(bonus points if attractive women are
in the pictures; women love to
compete).
This will establish you as attractive, a
woman’s first alpha prerequisite.
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2. Write about how you’re the
shit. Juxtapose the vain shirtless
selfies with a bio that tells about all
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the amazing hobbies, interests and
accomplishments that represent you.
Go as in depth as you can. Be cocky.
Describe your life as the best thing
since sliced bread.
This extravagant regaling of your life
will be contrasted nicely by your short
and rare responses while chatting with
the LSSWs, causing them to hamster
into thinking maybe they’re not good
enough for you. Why would this
attractive, interesting, smart alpha
want to spend time with a boring
woman like me? And all this will come
without you having to lift a finger.
This will establish you as higher value
than her, a woman’s second alpha
prerequisite.
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NOTE: DO NOT talk about how much
money you make, your high-paying
corporate job, your nice car, your big
house, etc. Only boast about YOU and
things that can only be found within
YOU. Otherwise, the LSSWs will
immediate peg you as a potential
high-SMV provider, the shit tests will
get insane and same-night/short-term
sex will be near impossible.
--Messaging-3. Send short messages and only
to the hot ones. All I do to start any
conversation via dating sites is send
out “Hey” to every LSSW within a
comfortable driving distance that I’d
enjoy fucking. Nothing more. If the
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LSSW responds, she’s interested to
some degree, whether it’s because
she thinks you’re attractive, higher
value or both. If she doesn’t respond,
who gives a fuck? Move on.
Her first response will almost always
be “Hey”, “Hi”, “Hello”, “Hey, how’re
you”, etc. Follow it up with “What are
you looking for” (no punctuation) or
“What kind of guys do you like” (no
punctuation, and I know this seems
like you care what she has to say
about it, but it’s more to get her
talking).
*If she asks what I’m looking for, I say,
“I’m just browsing meeting new
people” or “I’m just browsing making
new friends”. This helps her to avoid
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weeding me out as one of the many
sexually-desperate men out there.
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3a. ”What are you looking for”
Honestly, 9 times out of 10 she’ll
respond by saying “friends”, “friends
but if it becomes more, that’s cool”, “a
relationship”, “LTR”, etc.
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There is no difference in these
responses and they all mean the same
thing. If she’s responded at all at this
point, she’s intrigued: a woman’s third
alpha prerequisite.
3b. “What kind of guys do you
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like”
She’ll usually go on and on about how
she wants some “mythical unicorn” of
a man; a guy who’s loving, caring,
smart, funny, strong, tall, handsome,
independent, blah blah fuckin’ blah. I
never really read any of their
responses to this question. It’s mainly
to get her intrigued by your response.
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3c. Response
My response for 3a and 3b is usually
the same and you can tailor it how you
see fit.
I always respond with either “I think I
can handle that much” or “I think I can
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manage that much” , I wait for her
response, then I follow it up with
“Whats your number” (no punctuation)
or if her profile doesn’t list it, with
“Whats your name” (no punctuation),
her response, then “Whats your
number”.
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This response causes her to hamster
that all her ideal-man characteristics
might be found in you and that
portraying them is no big deal to you.
She’ll hamster you as her golden
goose that she’ll have one opportunity
to attract.
This’ll further her intrigue in you and if
all has gone accordingly, she’ll give
you her number.
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NOTE: If she doesn’t respond to your
number request, fuck it and move on.
If multiple LSSWs are non-responsive
at this point, check your SMV both in
your pics and in your bio.
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If she gives you some schpeel about
how “It’s too early to give out her
number” or “she doesn’t give out her
number after the first conversation” or
she wants to “talk more on here more
first to get to know you” or any other
possible excuse, she either sees you
as a potential provider, as a lower SMV
compared to her or as
desperate/sexually-depraved (comes
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across by responding too quickly;
scarce mentality). This cake is bad,
move on and work on yourself more.
PART 2: TEXTING/CALLING
Unlike conversing on dating sites,
texting is a bit trickier with someone
you’ve never met, simply because this
is usually when the real shit tests
start. On top of that, ignoring,
combating or brushing off these shit
tests will usually lead to her cutting
you off in an instant because
remember: you don’t exist to her until
you’re standing in front of her.
The goal of this section will be to
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establish your existence (and your
frame) within her world by meeting in
person, all-the-while avoiding those
game-ending shit tests most people
encounter at this stage.
--Texting-1. Start off simple. My first message
via text is usually “Name’s ___” with a
picture of myself attached. I do this so
that after I leave a conversation to
“bake” for the rest of the day
(described below), when she responds
the next day, she’ll remember what I
look like.
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Otherwise, I might leave the
conversation to bake, message her the
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next day and she’s completely forgot
what I look like (I do the same thing all
the time). Her perception of me has
thus changed and I’d have to pack it
up and move on.
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Physical attraction is important. It was
the main reason the LSSW responded
to my first message on the dating site
and it’ll be used to keep her intrigue
across any span of time.
2. Give her a taste. This may sound
odd, but start a conversation with the
sole purpose of leaving her hanging
mid-way through. For example, start
talking about movies, ask what hers
are, and when she responds drop the
conversation for the day. After baking
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(again, described below), do not
continue or acknowledge this
conversation.
This’ll cause her to hamster, but the
direction she hamsters isn’t really
important. What’s important is that
now you’ve become relevant to her.
3. Bake the cake. These is my
pending messages since this morning.
I call this method “baking”. Baking is
letting a message sit unanswered and
unopened long enough to where a
woman may feel like they’re being
ignored.
Women both love and hate this
(especially attractive ones) and it
contrasts well against the many others
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who’ve received their number and
then sporadically sent out texts every
10 minutes.
Sometimes, if you bake correctly, the
LSSW will put in the leg work for you:
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This will establish you as unattainable,
a woman’s fourth alpha prerequisite.
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4. Like it never happened. After
baking (again, described below), do
not continue or acknowledge the
conversation you were having
previously. Simply tell her “Hey” or
“Good morning” and move on to the
next step.
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This’ll cause her to hamster, but the
direction she hamsters about you isn’t
really what’s important. What’s
important is that now you’ve become
relevant to her though your
unavailability.
5. You better call, Tyrone. Taking
shit tests head-on through texting is
counter-productive; the more of her
dumb questions you answer, the more
her perception of you (and perception
is all you have at this point) will
change from alpha to another
validation resource.
To avoid all of this BS, your best bet is
to make her bring you into her reality
is by calling her.
To set this up, your next texts should
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both tell her when you plan to call and
ask her if she’s available to talk
around that time.
I take my lunch around 12:00-12:30,
so I usually say something along the
lines of “I want to call you this
afternoon. You busy?” and 9 times out
of 10 she’ll say that’s fine. Cater this
around when you’re free to talk.
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--Calling-If you’ve done everything correctly up
until this point, you’ll notice she’ll
seem very excited to talk to you.
Maintain frame and if possible remain
stoic. She’ll ask a few questions and
might shit test a little, but by this point
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you’ve got it in the bag. Honestly, as
soon as she’s picked up you’ve won.
By maintaining frame through this
conversation, you’ve successfully
maintained her perspective of you
being alpha from beginning to end.
Good job, let’s bring it home.
6. The home stretch. The small talk
of this conversation is ultimately
irrelevant. Tell her some cool things
about yourself, let her tell you some
cool things about herself. Then move
along.
7. Set up a meet-and-greet. The
purpose of this conversation for her is
to establish that you do exist, had the
balls to call her and might just be the
man of her dreams.
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The purpose of this conversation for
you is to establish a place for you two
to meet up.
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Tell her you two should meet up and
let her talk for a bit. If you’re a high
enough perceived SMV, she’ll do the
legwork for you:
She may set up the locale (“Have you
ever been to ____? I heard it’s really
cool.”), begin hinting at sex (“we seem
to click, so we could meet up at my
place for drinks”), revealing her true
feelings (“When I first saw your profile
I thought, ‘Why is he interested in a
girl like *me? I’m nobody.”), etc. She’ll
also typically plan a time or date very
close to the time of the call (like that
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evening or tomorrow afternoon; not
exactly sure why that is).*
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Imgur
NOTE: Some are saying that calling is
an unnecessary step but I'd have to
disagree. Although calling may seem
archiac, it usually provides the LSSW
with the final prequisite they require
before NSA hook-ups, safety. By
hearing the sound of your voice, you
become a reality and she's now
verified that you're not a catfishing
PUArtist beta with a knack for
falsifying online social interactions.
8. Short and sweet. She's now
within your frame. Keep any texts or
responses to hers as short and
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succinct as possible.
9. Make her ass worry that you’re
the one flaking. Whether you’ve
decided to meet back at her place or
at some coffee shop, once the
date/time has been finalized and the
address gained, don’t bring it up again
and if possible, stop texting her until
that date (unless she reaches out).
Do not double-check the time you’re
meeting, check if she can make it, call
her to say you’re there, etc. She’ll do
that for you and you need to allow her
to. It’ll further her investment in
meeting you.
NOTE: I’ve noticed that reconfirming
dates will increase an LSSW’s
likelihood to flake, even after all this
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guide has explained. By not
reconfirming and letting them reach
out first, I’ve yet to see one LSSW
flake.
Lesson Learned: Behavioural
patterns of LSSWs can be controlled
for the experimenter’s best possible
outcome through a concise,
repeatable cause-and-effect method
developed through behavioural
experimentation and approach
modification.
For any further questions, I'm
open to talking over Skype under
Skype username OmLaLa. Please
message me set up a meeting.
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How to set a sexual
frame?
by TRPsubmitter | November 11, 2014
| Link
How to get laid?
Obviously this is the question TRP
seeks to answer, among others. The
answer is obviously mufti-faceted, but
one of the obvious requirements is
that the woman is sexually attracted
to you.
What goes into sexual attraction
besides your physical
appearance?
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We all know to lift weights to improve
your body and give yourself the best
chance to be attractive.
But what about the other aspects of
getting laid?
These are Logistics (setting up the
situation to be conducive to
comfort/escalation/sex).
There are many field reports and tips
on game about how to set up logistics
and how to escalate, but I would like to
talk about Frame (how you
define/present yourself to women with
the goal of sex).
Frame
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Basically, you want to get to the point
where how you choose to define
yourself is how women see you. In
other words, women will have no
choice but to view you however you
want to be seen. In this case, it's to be
seen as "sexual".
When you offer only one version of
yourself and you frame it strongly,
assertively, aggressively, and
consistently, then women really have
no choice but to accept it (or leave).
Thus, when you define yourself as a
sexual man who requires sex
whenever you date/hangout, she will
have no choice but to engage you on
that or not engage you at all.
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What does this accomplish? Why
is this better than "building
comfort" and then escalating
slowly?
1) It cuts down on the amount of
women wasting your time or just
trying to use you as a validationvending machine or beta orbiter.
2) It eliminates women viewing you as
a chump (you will be called an
"asshole" for being uncompromising,
but uncompromising > chump). In
other words, you want sex, so don't
compromise on it. Compromising for
the mere sake of being "agreeable"
will end up with you being an orbiter in
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the long run.
3) It does more than just "eliminate"
bad eggs (#1 & 2). It also actively
increases chances of success.
When faced with an unknown choice
(sex vs no sex), women will gravitate
by default to the "safe" option to
maintain their health/status. However,
women also exhibit the feminine trait
in which they rationalize/hamster
anything that is strong, consistent,
and powerful as de facto sexually
attractive.
In other words, it doesn't matter if a
guy eats pork, drinks, & is nonreligious (Me)...plenty of muslim girls
will rationalize it away and have had
sex with me because they measured
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me up and determined that what I was
offering was enticing, satisfying,
attractive, and genuine. When
something is "genuine", it is by nature
unchanging/uncompromising. Women
are attracted to that (a solid frame)
and abhor the opposite (playing the
nice, considerate, accommodating guy
and then trying to get sex later).
The point is that women will view
whatever you present to her as
sufficiently attractive as long as
what you are presenting is
alpha/sexual/strong/not
vacillating, etc. By doing this, the
work required to "escalate" (logistics,
location, what to say, etc) will be
significantly decreased because your
frame does a lot of the work already.
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4) In addition to #3 (which involves
gaining a new sexual partner), holding
a sexual frame can help you maintain
a current sexual partner.
All relationships go bad when the
woman finds the "ceiling" to her man's
SMV or starts viewing him as a nonsexual or domesticated being. This is
why people joke about marriage =
death of sex life. It's very hard to
maintain a constant sexual frame
when there are times you simply don't
have time/energy for sex, in which
case you let her refusal go and it
builds up.
Ask yourself, why should a woman
give sex to a man who doesn't
demand it? Why give sex to a man
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who compromises and repeatedly
demonstrates that he can be simply
denied and accepts "I'm tired..."?
(even though she had enough energy
to text her birkam yoga teacher,
Rafael?)
That is why maintaining a sexual
frame will do future work for you. It
will prevent problems before they
even start. An ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure, as they say.
As an example, this works wonders
over text in the context of online
dating and travel buddy websites.
Many times before I have gotten girls
to expect lap dances, naked showers,
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oil massages, grind dancing, etc ALL
before even meeting me (but you can
say this stuff on the first date in
person too). I tell them I walk around
naked in my house and do pole
dances. They laugh about it and think
it's so funny. That right there tells me
I'm gonna get laid because I've shown
I'm the type of guy she can go through
her "crazy early 20s phase" with.
On the other hand, you can be sure
that if I "suggested" or "asked for
consent" after having some lame
coffee the first time we met, she'd slap
me in the face.
Eww! You're like forcing women to
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have sex with you! That's
manipulation
On the contrary, it's honesty. I can't
hide what is in my nature.
Second, women have the choice not to
have sex with me (duh) and they can
act on that. No one is making a girl
stay at my place and having sex with
me instead of going home like she
claimed she would 10 min ago...but
they continue to do so over and over
again. I can easily call her a cab and
she can be on her way if she wanted.
But we all know that's not what they're
really seeking.
They don't leave because they are
shit-testing and making sure that
having sex is secure, enticing, and
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most importantly, not a compromise of
her value (because for women,
associating with any man of low value
indirectly lowers her own value in her
mind).
TL;DR
Escalation to sex can be significantly
made easier by presenting a sexual
frame that is uncompromising,
because you're not really "escalating"
to it anymore. Many pitfalls and last
minute resistance occur when a guy
who is seen as non-sexual suddenly
tries to make himself sexual; it is
unbelievable and abhorrent to women.
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How to utilize PushPull?
by MentORPHEUS | May 24, 2016 |
Link
A detailed look at Push-Pull,
and using well-scaled
challenges to reach and
maintain it.
This post started in the comments of a
post recommending something like,
"Let the woman shine." This alone is
no better for building attraction than
doing all of the shining yourself; you
can There have been several recent
posts on the topic of too much push,
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whose examples serve to illustrate a
particular conversation, but you have
to learn the underlying principles of
push-pull so you can engage each
unique encounter on the fly as it
happens.
TM
The Nice Guy or Orbiter is stuck on
all-pull, passively doing nice things for
the woman and expecting this to
induce her to make a move toward
him, only to watch them get bored and
ease away. The cad or overly
aggressive gamer is stuck on all-push,
and wonders why women flee from
him and why he's accused of sexual
harassment or worse. In both
extremes, failure or unwillingness to
read the woman's nonverbal
communication is a big part of the
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underlying problem.
Understanding body language,
proximity and position, eye contact etc
doesn''t come naturally to everyone,
but these are skills that can be
improved upon with effort. The book
What Every Body is Saying is a good
resource. One of the most important
axioms of body language is this:
When there is a conflict between
verbal and nonverbal
communication, the nonverbal
message is usually the truth. This
is how you calibrate the level and pace
of your escalations, and read her
feedback like a pro and proceed
correctly in the push-pull dance.
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In conversation
A good conversation is like a lively
game of table tennis. You start out
easy to get a good volley going, then
step up the challenges gradually till
you find each others' limits and
weaknesses, then you play just
beneath this discovered level to keep
a good challenging rally going back
and forth. Successful flirting often
follows a similar pattern of starting
easy, escalating at a measured pace,
and reading your partner's signals
so you approach and test limits
attentively, then dial back to where
you're both comfortable and playing
equally, and give her the opportunity
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to show some chops and escalation of
her own.
On a date with a Psychology student,
you two are talking about her friend
who's having a lot of problems.
Good balance of push/pull- the
sweet spot Like a good ping pong
game where neither of you wants to
put down the racquets when game
time normally ends; these are the
openings that turn to insta-dates, and
the first dates where the second half is
spent touching and kissing, and time
just slips by.
Hit the conversational ball back
so it steps the game forward in a
measured fashion. "So do you
think she's having a rough patch,
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or does this qualify as a
personality disorder?" This is
nominally agreeing with her so
far, but lightly challenging her
with a relevant question.
The challenges come at a
measured cadence, settling into
a pattern something like, "Yes...
Yes... Wait! (holding finger up)
Yes... Yes... Wait! (slightly
stronger challenge) It's not unlike
the Foot in the Door and "Yes
ladder" sales techniques.
However, in attraction (as
opposed to sales), women will be
turned off by a pure "yes" man;
you need to meet the subtle
challenges she offers, and bring
relevant challenges of your own
to the encounter.
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After the last challenge, she'd
likely bring up BPD; you'd listen
and agree with a few points, then
throw down a stronger challenge
like, "So what's your differential
diagnosis? How are you sure it's
not ASD or NPD?" If you're
already out of your depth
regarding Psychology, a
worthwhile challenge at this
point might be, "How are you
sure it would be that, versus
other similar disorders?"
Once you've established some
push-pull, the amount of her
touching, kissing etc should
settle into a pattern of 2 or 3
from her to one from you; this is
the Golden Ratio of flirting.
Signs that you're in the zone
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include positive body language
like orienting/leaning toward you,
eye contact, calling you an
asshole with a sly smile,
sometimes interrupting or
overlapping each other because
you both have so much to say;
whatever silences are not
awkward.
Lesson learned: Both push (you
advance a little) and pull (back
off and let her advance a little)
make for an interaction that
continues and naturally
escalates.
Too much pull- a weak opponent
or yes-man. Duffing your game to
always let her win is boring and makes
you look like an unworthy schmuck;
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she's staring at the locker room while
you're picking up the ball yet again,
and wants to passively sidle away
from your stupid, boring game.
There's no escalation if you
agree at every step, and never
take a chance to step up your
game.
Letting her make all the
challenges and thus set all the
parameters is entering her frame
and beta behavior. If she's really
into you, she'll try some initiation
and escalation of her own, but
will give up permanently if you
don't reciprocate timely.
There is no beat or cadence to
the conversation, it's just a
boring, hands-down, one-note
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"yes-yes-yes-yes." It is like the
sales technique of a silent
beggar, waiting to be thrown
some coins.
Responses sound like, "Oh, poor
girl! Yes... Yes... Wow, you really
know a lot about psychology!
Yes... You're so smart!"
Signs and symptoms include
neutral/bored body language like
looking away, leaning back,
slouching/slumping, yawning, flat
affect/lack of animation and
emotion, awkward silences and
slow, short responses in
conversation. Will make excuses
and leave early, and forget all
about you, unless of course she
needs another beta
orbiter/provisioner.
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Lesson learned: Too much pull
puts you into the boring, beta,
nice guy friendzone. No
challenge at all makes attraction
die with a whimper. Not even
low-SMV women are
attracted to men in this
category.
Too much push- an overly strong
opponent You're not seeking a level
where you two can play back-andforth, instead you return every shot
with your maximum power and
difficulty, whether it was offered easily
or challengingly. She's not having fun
with you standing over her while she
picks up the ball every move, and
wants to actively flee the game.
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There's no chance of mutual
escalation when you jump
straight to the superior position
and shut her down at every
move.
The cadence is a thudding, handin-face, "Nope! WRONG! Nope!
Nope! WRONG!" It is like the
Door in Face technique, which
sometimes has utility in asking
for a date, but is a risky tool for
building attraction during one.
Responses look like "She has
BPD! No, it has to be this
because X! No, you're wrong
because Y!" if knowledgeable
about Psychology, and if not:
"No, that's stupid. She sounds
stupid. No, that's just a bunch of
mumbo-jumbo, she's just X. Why
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do you waste your time with
these people?"
Signs and symptoms include
negative body language like
looking down, leaning/orienting
away; anger, calling you an
asshole with a frown, hard stops
and curt responses in the
conversation, flouncing in anger.
Will hold a grudge and go out of
her way to spread negative
things about you.
Lesson learned: Too much push
gets you considered an asshole,
but NOT in the good way. Except
with the subset of low selfesteem women susceptible to
strong negging, too much
challenge with no softballs or
rewards makes attraction die
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with a bang.
In physical escalation
I filter for LTR material, and find that
an escalation pace of sex on the third
date works well, with unqualified
women dropping out before investing
much time/effort, and the ones who
continue through becoming good
quality girlfriends and offering no
resistance while enjoying this pace. If
your game is ONS/same day sex, you'll
be working on an accelerated schedule
so take what's useful for you.
In the zone
Both of you are equally in timing
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and degree into touching,
kissing, and all the minor
escalations of romance. There's
no over-thinking, or thinking
about it at all, everything comes
naturally and just seems to click.
Even though you're both giving
green lights, a pattern of two
steps forward, one back can be
pleasant and exciting. This is the
zone where "affirmative consent"
is a mockery; you're both aware
and tuned-in to the encounter to
fully communicate consent to
proceed nonverbally, taking
turns escalating.
Soft stops- Turning away from an
early surprise kiss but offering
her cheek and smiling, Breaking
off a kiss but hugging you
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harder, moving your hands off
her boobs to next to them while
still kissing.
Soft no- standard ASD/LMR,
where she says no to further
escalation but with positive body
language- smiling, touching etc.
In practice, this means "Go back
down one level and respectfully
enjoy that as you were, and I'll
indicate real soon when to
proceed again." This is a form
of fitness test- you are a man
who goes after what he
wants yet is respectful of
boundaries: Captain material.
Use anticipation and teasing to
increase attraction. Hold her
hand, then let it go for a while.
Go in for the kiss, but break it off
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a little soon leaving her wanting
more.
Most men don't know the power
of teasing, they only push
forward relentlessly according to
many of the women I've
discussed this with. At the
moment I'm expected to kiss her,
I'll instead give her an Eskimo
Kiss, touching noses and looking
into each others eyes, then pull
away. Next time, I'll pull close to
her face again and almost-kiss,
but just run my finger or
(pleasant!) breath gently across
her lips, then pull away again.
Soon, she will grab me and start
kissing deeply and passionately.
Same thing when I'm "expected"
to start playing with her boobs.
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This is how you get a shy or
unassertive woman engaged in
the push-pull dance, with some
push moves of her own.
The sweet spot between not
enough and too much teasing
varies widely from woman to
woman. You want to play near
the line between "exciting" and
"Frustrating/boring," but once
you go over that line and it kills
her mood, it's hard to get the
momentum back.
Too much pull
She does all of the initiating- first
to touch, hold hand, kiss etc.
She's giving signals and offers,
and you're not noticing/taking
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them!
If she initiates a step, make
damn sure you initiate the next
logical step; her timing helps you
calibrate yours if you've been
unsure till this point.
A woman who's really into you
might make a move or two, but
as the man, you're expected to
pick up the reins once she's
gotten your attention; even a
lower SMV woman will switch off
if you don't. It's downright
humiliating to a woman for her
advances to be dismissed.
Women are way more subtle
than men, so if you think you
saw a sign, you did so proceed
and observe her feedback.
She won't just leave, she'll leave
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angry, so get your act together
and take the initiative to
ESCALATE. Ramp up your push
till she stops pulling, then enjoy
the new equilibrium. Polish your
sense of when she begins pulling
again, and when and how far to
push again.
Too much push
You are doing 100% of the
initiating and escalating, and she
is doing 100% of the
interruption/breaking off of each
act thereof. She never gets a
chance to make any escalation
signals before you forge ahead at
each step.
Hard stops- pulling away from a
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kiss attempt, throwing your
hands off her body, pushing
away, negative body language,
frowning/angry, de-escalating all
the way to zero.
Hard NO- cold and unequivocal in
response to an escalation
attempt- not simple coy LMR. I
haven't gotten a hard NO in over
30 years, since my first GF in
high school. Almost always
comes after a large jump in the
escalation process and/or several
more subtle "Slow down" signals
you missed or ignored.
This is the zone of not-so-false
rape accusations and legit sexual
harassment claims. The line
honestly isn't fine here at all;
many problems will be avoided if
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you pay the fuck attention to
your partner as you go, however
headstrong and masculine your
style may be.
In LTRs and marriage
The game changes once you become
familiar with each other over time. It's
normal to settle into a more familiar
routine together, however, A man can
NEVER become complacent in his
relationship, and stop actively
giving his woman tingles. Not only
must you keep yourself up physically,
and in charge of your family as a
strong Captain, you have to work to
keep a good balance of Push-Pull alive
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in the relationship.
A Captain and First Mate model
works well for long-term Red Pill
relationships. This provides a
good framework for a healthy
power dynamic, within which
both parties can push and pull
with pleasant frisson. The man's
dominance is rooted in his
competence as a leader; his
woman is happy to be his partner
and they are comfortable with a
healthy banter.
Dominant/overbearing wife and
Beta/henpecked husband is the
result of the man offering all pull
and no push. Passive aggression
takes the place of healthy jibe
and riposte.
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A dominant man offering all push
and no pull may end up with the
illusion of having a faithful,
obedient partner, but remember
that slaves and subjects tend to
rebel or flee. The man's
dominance is rooted in unhealthy
insecurity.
Conclusion: Many gaming
and relationship problems
are the result of being stuck
in an imbalance of all push or
pull.
Push-pull is the engine of
attraction in dating, and a
leading element of successful
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long-term relationships.
Don't despair that you have to
reverse your personality and
game 100% to the opposite. Fine
tune it in the direction it needs to
be, even just 5-10% from where
it is now, you might find this
lands your relationships back in
the "sweet spot" where you both
can push and pull.
Understanding nonverbal
communication is critical to
playing well.
Once you get the relationship
into a healthy push-pull, with the
right easy effort it can be
maintained like this on cruise
control. However, a man can
NEVER become complacent and
let the balance swing all one
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way, for this is easier to prevent
than repair, and neither extreme
is good.
Teasing and tempting a shy or
unassertive lover into the pushpull zone is fun and safeguards
against doubts and regrets after
the fact.
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Should we cohabitate
before marriage?
TR;DR NO!
by RedditAdminsSuck_88 | December
14, 2016 | Link
Summary: As sure as a woman will
spread her legs for a man who gives
her the tingles, so are there idiots on
AskTRP who cohabitate or are asking
for advice on cohabitation. Don't
fucking do it. If you are already
cohabitating, move out(or kick her out)
before you are done reading this
sentence.
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There is a reason we stress the
principle of NO COHABITATION.
It's not a guideline that we feel is
optional.
It's not just a suggestion.
We don't say it for the sake of saying
it.
It's a tentpole principle of being a red
pilled man.
Way too often on AskTRP I either see:
Some idiot who comes on asking
for advice on cohabitation with
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his LTR.
Some idiot who is wondering why
he is having trouble with his LTR,
and the fact that he is
cohabitating with her is made
known.
All I can do is shake my head. It's way
too common. Seriously, there needs to
be some kind of easily accessible
material on the sidebar that stresses
why cohabitation is bad because these
idiots come on here floating the idea
like its not such a bad idea. Hey,
maybe they can make it work.
What really pisses me off is when
someone comes on asking for
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cohabitation advice, and we say don't
cohabitate, and the hamster wheels
start spinning.
"We can make this work, I am
confident!"
"This girl is different, you see"
"I know what I am doing. As long
as I hold frame and stick to RP
principles, I will be fine"
"I wouldn't be doing this if I
thought it were a bad idea"
"I really trust her and I feel like
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its time we take that next step"
"She needs somewhere to live, I
don't want her out on the
streets!"
"It's not like I am providing for
her, we are splitting everything
50-50! No free ride!"
You retard. I don't give a fuck what
your excuses are, or what your
justification is, or why YOUR CASE will
be an exception and why things will be
different from you. We have hundreds
of me here on TRP and in the
manosphere who can provide actual
accounts of cohabitating with their LTR
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and it tanking their relationship. The
number of guys who will say it was a
bad idea is orders of magnitude higher
than the number of guys who said it
was a good idea.
You can hamster all you want, it won't
change the fact that its a bad fucking
idea.
Then you have the idiots who are
having LTR issues, then says they are
cohabitating, and we tell them to
move out/kick her out ASAP, and once
again the hamster wheel starts to spin.
"What am I supposed to do,
throw her out in the street?"
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"We signed the lease together
and its not up until XXX date"
"It's just not that easy..."
"But me moving out will basically
mean we are breaking up and I
don't want that"
"I think we can make it work if
we overcome this snag"
"Cohabitating hasn't been an
issue up until now"
And my favorite:
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"Well I have no where else to go,
its her place and I just crash
there with her"
The quicker you move out or kick her
out, the quicker you can get back on
the path to being your own man, and
gaining the power back in the
relationship. If you break up because
you move out or kick her out, the LTR
was built on a weak foundation and
was doomed anyway. It doesn't matter
if you have pay an early termination
fee on a lease, call the sheriff and
have her evicted, or crawl over broken
glass, you need to either move out or
kick her out NOW. And if you are one
making that last excuse, "It's her place
and she is letting me live there", you
need to end the LTR and focus on
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getting YOUR shit together. Get a job,
get your own place. For the love of
God don't use an LTR for resources.
That's what women do. Are you a
woman? Men are not dependent on
someone else, especially another
woman. If you don't have a job(or a
good enough one to have your own
place) you don't have time for an LTR
or to be chasing women period. Sorry.
So why do we say don't cohabitate?
There are two reasons.
The first reason is dread.
If you have any experience with what
TRP is, you know what dread is. Dread
is how you keep leverage in any
relationship. Dread is the constant fear
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she has in her mind that you are a
high value man with options, and can
dump her ass for another woman at
any time. Therefore, she will do what it
takes to remain in your favor and be
the main woman in your life.
Cohabitating with a woman makes it
near impossible to run dread. You no
longer have leverage. Think of it this
way: Cohabitation is one giant comfort
test. Once you are living together, you
have failed that comfort test. She now
has you by the ballsack. You might as
well put your testicles in a vice. Once
you fail a comfort test, she has all the
leverage. She will stop putting out as
often. She will start denying you sex.
She will stop pulling her own weight.
She will become more bitchy and
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naggy. She will respect you less. She
will exert less effort making herself as
attractive as possible for you. And why
should she try to make you happy?
She knows she has you by the balls.
All because you chose to live together.
It's hard to keep a woman up at night
with the thought running in her mind
that you may have another woman
over at your place, when you are there
sleeping right next to her.
The second reason is
freedom.
This is what men strive for. Freedom.
Men want freedom, women want
access. As a man, there is nothing
better than being completely free.
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Being financially free. Being addiction
free. Being free to do whatever the
fuck you want, when you want.
Cohabitating with a woman? Kiss your
freedom goodbye. You no longer have
the freedom to come home from work
and do what the fuck you want. You no
longer have the freedom to be by
yourself at home and unwind. You no
longer have the freedom to go out
when you want and do what you want.
Each time you leave the house you
have to check in with your woman and
say where you are going and why and
for how long and when you will be
back. You no longer have the freedom
to cook/eat what you want, when you
want to.
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What if you have a hard day and just
want to go home and be by yourself?
You now have no where to escape to.
You have no personal space to go to.
What if shit goes bad with your LTR?
You have no where to go to get away
from her and be alone.
As someone who lives by myself in my
own apartment, this just sounds
miserable. I think men take being able
to do whatever the fuck they want,
when they want, and not having to
answer to anybody, I feel like men
take that for granted. It truly is
amazing. This weekend I might go
skiing. I might not. But simply having
the option without having to make
plans and check in/clear it with
someone and without having to bring
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her along and such, is awesome. Just
being able to wake up, make the
decision that morning, and get up and
go if I want to, is amazing.
What's basically happening, when you
cohabitate with a woman you aren't
married to, is making yourself the son
to her mother. It's a mother-son
dynamic. Good luck with that.
Conclusion: Don't fucking cohabitate
with a woman you aren't married to.
We say this shit for a reason.
Edit: Very strong hamstering in the
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replies. Looks like the cohabitation
hamstering isn't limited to AskTRP.
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How to get laid like a
WARLORD
by MikeHaines | November 29, 2016 |
Link
A complete guide to picking up 9s
and 10s
Today I want to tell you everything I
know about getting the highest calibre
girls from cold approach.
This guide will cover: frame control,
inner game, and passing tests —
which I consider to be the holy trinity
of “9 and 10 game”.
This guide will NOT cover: body
language, pulling, or handling logistics.
Obviously, the latter are extremely
important, but they’ve been
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adequately covered elsewhere, and
there just isn’t space to include them
here.
My background
Picked on in school, small and sickly,
didn’t have a girlfriend until 18. Was
dumped by her and spent the first 2
years of college pretty much celibate.
Got into redpill ideas through the old
“Citizen Renegade” blog (which is now
Heartiste). From there stumbled on
RSD’s infield videos.
Started going out and approaching
regularly. Approach anxiety and
ceaseless rejection for months, but I
kept at it. The odd success here and
there.
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After about 2 years I was fucking a
new girl every fortnight or so, mostly
7s and 8s with the occasional turbo
when fortune smiled on me. My
current girlfriend is a 9, has done
modelling etc.
Below is everything I know about
getting the hottest women from
cold approach pickup. This is
specially engineered for getting 9s and
10s and dealing with the kind of
bullshit these girls will inevitably give
you.
If you’re more into sleeping with tons
of 7s (and there’s nothing wrong with
that), this might be overkill.
When I was single I personally was one
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of those guys who would rather fuck
half a dozen 9s/10s in a year than 50
mid range girls, so my whole approach
to game is based on optimizing for
that.
Take it for what it is — I’m not saying
my approach is better, this is just how
I roll based on my preferences.
This is a long post. You may want to
bookmark it and return to it later if
you’re particularly concerned with
getting the hottest girls. There’s a lot
of subtle points in here that won’t be
immediately clear on a first reading.
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PART 1: THE ATTRACTION
PROCESS
1. Women are attracted to you
because you have a stronger
frame than they do.
That’s all.
There’s nothing else to it.
Attraction is purely a function of the
fact that:
1. you’re a man
2. you have a stronger frame than the
girl
As a man, you naturally have a strong
frame of reality whereas women don’t.
Therefore they value that. (Having a
strong frame is a result of high
testosterone levels.)
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2. Women would rather fuck an
ugly guy with a strong frame than
a handsome guy with a weak one
Evolution has designed women to be
very flexible in terms of who they’ll
become attracted to.
Women would rather fuck an ugly guy
with a strong frame (i.e. a natural
leader) than a handsome guy with a
weak frame (cowardice, uncertainty).
That’s because women who chose to
fuck the latter ultimately had their
genes rooted out of existence by the
brutal conditions of ancestral life.
In consequence, women now are very
adaptable. They have the capacity to
be attracted to almost ANY man so
long as his frame is stronger than
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hers.
3. A girl can ONLY get horny for
you if you have a stronger frame
than her.
Think of this like a mathematical
equation. There’s no getting around it,
no cheating it, no short-circuiting it. It
is an immutable law.
Women want to submit to you. They
want to submit to a strong man. But
she can’t submit to you if your frame
is weaker than hers.
Physiologically, girls can’t even
become wet for a guy who has a
weaker frame than they do. It’s
literally impossible.
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4. “Be a man. Act like you have
answers.” (Bill Burr)
What is a strong frame?
Fundamentally, it’s a sense of
certainty in everything you do. This
certainty manifests itself as calmness
in the face of social pressure.
Simply put, in a cold approach pickup,
the woman becomes attracted to you
because you’re more relaxed than she
is.
That’s all.
That might seem strange, but it’s
actually not.
The very fact that you approached the
girl at all demonstrates a massive
amount of confidence and social value
(either real or potential).
So once you’ve approached the girl
and gotten her into a conversation, the
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game is yours to lose. She’ll inevitably
become attracted to you because
you’re a man, and because you have a
stronger frame than she does.
5. Relax
You will approach women, and you will
make mistakes. That’s fine. Women
don’t want you to be perfect. They
only want you to be a man.
You are not physically perfect. Neither
am I. Neither is anyone.
Women are not looking for perfection.
They’re only looking for a man who
has a stronger psychological frame
than they do.
And fortunately for you, you already
have a naturally stronger frame than
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women.
An example of this is how women will
freak out over spiders or mice, jump
up and down, scream, and so on,
whereas a man will calmly deal with
the situation without it breaking his
frame.
6. She tests your frame to test
your masculinity. The two are the
exact same thing.
Women are attracted to masculinity.
And masculinity can be defined as a
measure of how much pressure a man
can endure without it breaking his
frame.
When you approach a hot woman, she
immediately starts trying to break
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down your frame.
She’s testing it for strength.
If your frame crumbles in the face of
her frame, she knows you’re not a
man — because men have a stronger
frame than women.
Fortunately, your frame will not
crumble. A girl’s frame will always
“buckle” under yours after you pass
several of her tests. It’s instinctual.
Women want to be with the strong
man. When she sees you have a
strong frame she starts getting wet.
7. “Listen, smile, nod, agree —
then do what the fuck you were
gonna do anyway.” (Robert
Downey Jr.)
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Women test me all the time. Women
have said things to me that are totally
brutal — called me ugly, too short, a
loser, etc.
Most of the women I approach will
make a weird face or pretend to ignore
me for the first 10-20 seconds.
It doesn’t penetrate. It doesn’t cause
any emotional reaction whatsoever
inside me. I smile, nod, agree and then
keep talking to her as if she’s being
nice to me.
Eventually, she starts responding.
Then she starts laughing. And then we
have sex.
A woman’s frame will ALWAYS buckle
under yours. It’s not a question of “if”,
but “when”.
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8. Chasing hot girls gives you a
“charge”
When you’re first getting into game,
it’s fine to only approach 5s and 6s.
Many of these girls will be super nice
to you, and that’s cool. A lot of them
are fantastic in bed.
But once you start to get some
experience, you’re naturally going to
want to move up the ladder and start
laying 8s, 9s and 10s.
This is a natural instinct, and it’s good.
It’s okay to chase girls just because
they’re hot. These girls want you to
chase them. If they didn’t, they
wouldn’t make themselves hot.
Part of being a man is that you can
appreciate a woman’s beauty and
femininity. It gives you a charge. And
pursuing women who are “out of your
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league” (by society’s false standards)
also gives you a charge.
9. Seducing a 9 is no different
from seducing a 5
The process of attraction is exactly the
same. The only difference is that the
hot girl’s frame is stronger than the
chubby girl’s.
But ultimately, no matter how strong a
hottie’s frame is, your frame will
always be stronger, because you’re a
man.
10. Women will test you brutally
when they want to sleep with you
When you approach any hot girl, she’ll
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test your frame HARD to see if it’s
strong.
She’ll act like a bitch. She’ll pretend to
ignore you. She’ll tell you outright to
go away.
She wants to see if you’ll buckle to
social pressure, or if your frame will
remain calm and consistent regardless
of external feedback.
She actually WANTS to sleep with you
— but she needs to test your strength
first.
Don’t be fooled by the bitch persona
for a second. It’s a carefully cultivated
TEST.
Most men fail the test because they
don’t even realize they’re being
tested.
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11. Fight Club analogy
Getting a hot woman into bed is like
the hazing scene in Fight Club where
the new recruits are lined up outside
the door.
Tyler berates the recruits with
personal insults. “Too old, go away.”
“Too fat, go away.”
He forces them to stand outside for
days. He tells them there’s no
possibility they’re getting in. Most give
up. But the few who stay are
ultimately invited inside.
Seducing the hottest women is the
same. It’s a WAR OF ATTRITION.
Women will fuck pretty much any guy
who’s around at the end of the night
so long as he has a stronger frame
than she does.
But you have to stick around. You
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can’t leave when she insults you or
acts like she doesn’t want to talk to
you. If you do, you’re failing her tests.
We’ll get into the mechanics of
passing these tests in a moment. First
we need to talk about inner game,
which is the basis of out-framing
anyone.
PART 2: INNER GAME
12. The battle is won or lost inside
you before it’s ever fought
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We’ve said that the only way to
AROUSE a woman to the point that she
wants to sleep with you off cold
approach is to pass her tests.
How do you pass these tests?
The first principle is to understand is
that all tests are FRAME tests. The
entire purpose of tests is to see if you
have a strong frame that won’t buckle
under pressure.
Therefore, it’s useless begin with
talking about “how to pass tests”. The
real value is in having a strong frame
to begin with. As Sun Tzu says in the
Art of War, “every battle is won or lost
before it’s ever fought.”
13. The “I am enough” frame =
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the gold dust that gets you 9s and
10s
The basis of your inner game is the
idea that “you are enough”. In other
words, you have value to women
simply because you’re a man.
Everything else is built upon that
foundation.
You don’t have to “do” anything to
attract a girl. She’s attracted to you
simply because you’re more relaxed
than she is.
You don’t have to change anything.
You don’t have to improve your
“game” beyond what it’s at now. You
don’t need to become better looking.
You CAN do all these things if you
want and they will help you. But you
don’t have to.
You’re already “good enough” simply
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because you’re a man — because
you’ve got testosterone and a dick.
Women value that.
14. Men and women are meant to
get together
We fit together like a key and a lock.
There have been studies done in which
women smell men’s sweaty t-shirts,
and it changes the chemistry of their
brain — making them more relaxed
and calm.
Your “male-ness” is inherently
attractive to women. Same way as
their femininity is inherently attractive
to you.
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15. Standards are a myth —
everyone is a horny scoundrel
We have been brainwashed in our
culture into believing that people
(women) have something called
“standards”.
Women don’t have any standards —
not really. Neither do men.
Imagine you’re naked in bed with a
“4”. She’s kinda chubby, plain face,
you probably wouldn’t be proud of the
lay, whatever. But her skin’s soft, she
smells good, and she’s naked and wet.
Are you going to say no?
Probably not, if we’re being honest
with each other. You’d almost
definitely fuck her if you could be
CERTAIN that (a) she’d leave
afterwards, and (b) no one would find
out.
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There’s a natural magnetism between
men and women. We have no
willpower around each other.
Women are the same way. Take it
from someone who’s “shot out of his
league” too many times to count.
16. Be her cheat meal
You can be a “4” and she can be a “9”.
If the circumstances are right, she’ll
fuck you so long as there’s no
downside. Why? Because sex feels
good.
Even the hottest, slimmest yoga
bunny pigs out on pizza every once in
a while. It’s human nature. We’re not
strong. We’re weak.
We pretend to have “standards” to the
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outside world. But down deep inside,
no one has any standards, and we
know it. We have no will, no selfcontrol.
Hot women are the same.
If you can hold frame, pass a woman’s
test, and lead her to somewhere sex
can happen while creating plausible
deniability, she WILL fuck you.
You’d be amazed how easy it is when
you get it down.
17. Stop thinking you need to be
an “alpha” to get hot girls —
helpful at first but it will
ultimately stress you out
Your frame is: “I am enough.”
Your frame is NOT “I’m a badass alpha
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who’s better than everyone”.
That’s hard to uphold in the face of
conflicting evidence, and will cause
cognitive dissonance and stress.
It’s simply: “Women and men are
meant to get together. I’m a man.
Therefore, women are already
attracted to me on some baseline
level.”
That’s not a hard frame to maintain. It
doesn’t stretch the truth. It doesn’t
cause cognitive dissonance.
And therefore it’s MUCH MORE
RESILIENT in the face of tests and
resistance — which is the most
CRITICAL element to getting the
hottest girls.
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18. Cultivate a “reality distortion
field”
In order to do this, you must fully
INTERNALIZE the “I am enough” belief
system.
Understanding it in theory isn’t
enough. You have to feel it with your
whole “mass”. You have to believe it
with total, unquestioning, brainwashed
conviction.
The more you think about the idea
that there’s no reason you’re not
enough, the more it will feel “true”.
(Things become true to us through
repetition, not through logic.)
Use self-hypnosis if necessary. Find
every reason you can to support the
belief that you’re enough, while
cultivating “deliberate blindness” to
anything that contradicts it.
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Don’t be a slave to logic. Make logic a
slave to you. This is how you cultivate
a “reality distortion field”.
PART 3: HOW TO MAKE WOMEN
HORNY BY PASSING THEIR TESTS
19. Enduring tests = building
attraction
When you approach a woman, she
immediately starts testing you. By
passing her tests, you demonstrate
that your frame is stronger than hers.
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This makes her horny for you.
Women are wired in such a way that
they can’t become wet for a man
unless he’s overcome some kind of
resistance to get her. Hence, tests
actually help you to seduce her. You
want her to test you. The more tests
you endure, the faster she’ll sleep with
you.
When a girl is so into you that she
doesn’t test you, this is how you end
up on a 3rd date with a woman who
still won’t put out.
Tests are your friend.
20. Passing tests is where ALL
attraction is ultimately generated.
Attraction is NOT generated by pickup
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lines and witty comebacks.
Attraction is NOT generated by
manipulation techniques.
Attraction is NOT generated by looks
or money.
All of these things WILL increase your
probabilities of getting laid, and make
your game smoother and more
streamlined.
But they’re NOT what builds
ATTRACTION.
The one and ONLY thing that builds
attraction is ENDURING A WOMAN’S
TESTS.
The reason for this is obvious when
you think about it:
21. Enduring her tests = ability to
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overcome adversity = GOOD
GENES
Women have to see you have a strong
frame, because otherwise they have
no confidence that you’ll be able to
protect them and remain calm in the
face of danger.
And the ONLY way they can figure out
if you have strong frame is by testing
you, being bitchy, insulting you,
brushing you off, ignoring you, etc.
That might seem “unfair” to you.
But if you can’t handle the abuse from
some blonde chick in a bar, how the
fuck are you going to handle beating a
7ft tall man to death with your bare
hands when he and his tribe invade
your village and try to gang-rape your
girl?
Think about it.
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22. Women aren’t built for
Starbucks. They’re built for the
African savannah.
Women aren’t built for the modern
world. They’re built for nature, red in
tooth and claw.
If you understand that, you’ll do things
differently. You won’t take it so
personally when you approach a girl
and she tries to destroy you.
It’s necessary.
Hot women aren’t acting bitchy to you
because of feminism. They’re acting
bitchy to you because they WANT to
fuck you — but they can only do so
after they’ve proved that you have a
stronger frame than they do.
This is instinctual. It’s part of the
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natural order.
Innate female bitchiness existed long
before feminism. Testing men who
approach them is encoded into female
DNA.
When you get bitter at hot women for
testing you, you’re being just as antinature as feminists themselves.
23. Eliminate self-destructive
beliefs
There’s a common myth in the
seduction community that a girl who
acts “bitchy” to your approach is
fundamentally flawed and therefore
“not worth pursuing”.
This is totally ludicrous.
In fact, it’s just an incidence of “sour
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grapes” — cognitive games we play
with ourselves to rationalize that the
grapes we can’t reach are sour.
The reality is that if a girl has ANY
VALUE WHATSOEVER, then she will
test you hard during your first
approach.
24. Embrace tests
Do you want a woman who says yes to
every cock who comes along without
putting up the slightest resistance?
Or do you want a woman who actually
DISCRIMINATES among men based on
their value — and who CHOSE YOU
over hundreds of other suitors
because you had the highest value?
If you’re a normal, healthy man, you
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want the second woman — and that
means you must LOGICALLY EXPECT
her to test you hard, and to test you
with everything she’s got.
And you must not only expect tests,
but APPRECIATE them.
You LIKE it when a girl acts bitchy on
your approach. It means that if you
settle down with her, she’s likely to act
bitchy to OTHER GUYS who approach
her, scaring them away.
The higher a woman’s value (in looks
and character), the harder she will test
you by ACTING “boring” and “bitchy”.
This is the way it is and will be. This
way and not some other way.
Luckily, passing tests is the fastest
way to create arousal and horniness.
This means that, paradoxically, the
hottest women are often the easiest to
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seduce if you know how to pass their
tests.
THE TWO CATEGORIES OF “TESTS”
HOT GIRLS WILL GIVE YOU, AND
HOW TO PASS THEM
Women will give you two types of tests
— active tests and passive tests.
25. Active tests
Active tests are covered frequently in
PUA literature.
When a woman insults you, belittles
you, mocks you, or says something
provocative to get a reaction — these
are all examples of active tests.
Common “brush-off” lines like telling
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you she has a boyfriend, saying you’re
a nice guy, telling you LJBF — these
are also active tests.
I won’t talk much about passing active
tests as this material has already been
done to death in the redpill/PUA world.
(Just look up anything on “shit tests”.)
Suffice to say, the best way to pass
active tests is to either:
a. Agree and amplify.
b. Ignore the test and continue as if
you didn’t even hear it.
Generally speaking, getting active
tests is VERY GOOD. If the girl’s
actively testing you, it means she’s
definitely interested. It’s also a very
easy way to demonstrate your
strength of frame by being a charming
asshole in response.
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26. How to get past her “bitch
shield” persona and into her
knickers: recognize and endure
passive tests
But there is another type of test, which
is MUCH more important to
understand.
This is the PASSIVE TEST. This is
almost NEVER covered by PUA/redpill
literature — yet these tests are
actually the most COMMON you’ll
encounter, particularly when dealing
with 9s and 10s.
Passive testing happens when you
approach a girl and she appears to be
INDIFFERENT, BORED, or ALOOF.
“Resting bitch face” is a passive test.
Giving you only one word answers is a
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passive test.
And — my favorite — when you go to
approach a hot girl and she looks at
you with a face of half-disgust, halfhorror, and runs away.
Utterly BRUTAL as it seems — yes,
even THAT is a test.
27. Don’t confuse passive tests
with “rejection”
99% of guys interpret passive tests as
REJECTION. Even natural alphas do.
And that’s totally understandable.
I mean, it makes sense right?
If you approach a stunner and she
takes one look at you before making a
“creeped out” face to her friend, and
then they run away — that’s obviously
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a rejection, right?
Well, what if I told you that at least
half the women I’ve slept with in my
life reacted like that (or similarly
badly) when I approached them?
Here’s a particularly good example:
28. “Rejection” is not rejection
There was this girl I went to college
with. Brunette, hot, did modeling work
in her spare time, socially was one
step down from a “minor celebrity” in
my city.
Probably one of the 10 or 15 hottest
girls in my college.
I always wanted to fuck this girl,
because she seemed smart and
interesting as well as just hot. But I
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rarely saw her around.
One day she passed me in the
stairwell, and I thought “this is
probably the only chance I’m ever
going to get”.
So I approached her and blurted. “Hi,
I’m Mike”. Good eye contact. Held my
hand out to shake hers. Whatever.
She looked at me like I had leprosy.
I mean, she literally RECOILED. Her
eyes went wide in horror, as if I was
trying to infect her with AIDS.
She shook my hand limply and
muttered some social nicety back,
then ran away swiftly.
WOW… Now THAT’S a rejection, right?
Well, the story has an addendum. That
woman is now my girlfriend. Has been
for three years. She’ll probably be the
mother of my children.
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So what’s going on here?
If she was attracted to me (which she
later told me she was), why did she
appear to “reject” me?
Answering this question is the THE KEY
to mastering all of game and social
dynamics. You ready?
Ok, here we go:
29. You are TOO HIGH VALUE
Yes, you read that correctly.
When you’re getting “rejected” by
girls, it’s because YOU’RE TOO HIGH
VALUE FOR THEM, and it makes them
nervous and self-conscious.
Stay with me here. I know this sounds
paradoxical, but try to grasp it.
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30. Women are nervous around
you
When you approach a woman out of
the blue, it demonstrates a LOT of
value. More than you probably realize.
This is because 97% of guys DON’T
APPROACH AT ALL. (Those who do are
usually drunk and sloppy.)
This means that if you’re an average
to fair looking guy, and you cold
approach a girl, you’ve just put
yourself in the top 3% of men in terms
of confidence.
In other words, she is going to
naturally ASSUME that you are an
alpha male (whether this is true or
not).
This makes her NERVOUS and SELFCONSCIOUS. She’s ill at ease around
you because she wants to make a
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good impression.
So she tries to act “cool”, “aloof”, and
“standoffish”… because she feels
awkward.
She says bitchy things… because she
can’t think of anything else to say.
She run aways… because she feels
anxious around you and doesn’t know
what to do next.
In other words: you’re coming across
as TOO HIGH VALUE.
Women are nervous around you. Be
patient with them!
Dumb yourself down. Hold frame,
tease them, keep smiling warmly.
Eventually they’ll open up and start
laughing, flirting back, and ultimately
get turned on by the fact that you outframed them in a way no other man
ever has.
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BONUS: THE 6 MOST COMMON
TESTS HOT GIRLS WILL GIVE YOU
AND HOW TO PASS THEM IN A
WAY THAT BUILDS ATTRACTION
#1. You approach her, say hi, and
she makes a weird face, or
pretends to ignore you.
Simply keep talking as if you expect
her to talk back. She’s nervous and
self-conscious and doesn’t know what
to say. That’s why she’s acting
“bitchy” — you’re too high value for
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her and she feels anxious, causing her
to try to act cool.
Don’t react to her. Keep your body
language open and relaxed. Warm
smile, unwavering eye contact. Keep
talking. Eventually she’ll start talking
back and responding positively.
#2. You’re talking to a girl and
she acts indifferent or aloof, only
gives you one word answers, or
keeps looking off into the distance
Again, you simply have to ENDURE IT.
Keep talking, keep being playful.
Teasing her a little bit never hurts
either. “Are you this charming with all
the guys?” “This bitchy cheerleader
persona you’re putting on is really
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turning me on, please keep it going ;)”
When she sees you’re not going to go
away so easily, her frame will crack.
She’ll start to smile. Attraction.
#3. You’re talking to a girl and
she leaves to go to the bathroom,
says “I have to go find my
friends”, or runs away for no
apparent reason.
Let her go. Then re-approach her later.
I can’t tell you how many girls have
run off on me, then I approach them
half an hour later and they’re like “Oh
it’s you!” and then we hook up.
Why do women leave? Again, they’re
NERVOUS.
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Have you ever approached a hot girl
and things were going TOO WELL? The
girl is smiling and laughing…. she’s
responding well… and…. you freak
out! You don’t know what else to do,
but you don’t want to fuck it up, so
you leave set!
GIRLS DO THIS TOO. Women will “run
out of things to say” and run away
because they’re nervous and
overwhelmed by being in a high value
person’s presence, same as guys will.
Let her go, then re-approach her next
time you see her.
She will respond extremely well 90%
of the time in my experience. She’ll
literally be GRATEFUL to you that you
gave her another chance. Women
have told me this explicitly.
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#4. If you’re talking to a girl and
she tells you outright that you
should leave, or says “well, you
should go back to your friends”,
“it was nice meeting you”, etc.
Smile, nod, agree, and then continue
talking to her as if she said nothing.
Never leave set because a girl tells
you to.
SHE can walk away if she wants. She
has that right.
But in a public space like a bar or
nightclub, you’re well within your
rights to talk to whoever you want.
It’s Saturday night. It’s a social
environment. You’re mixing with
people.
You’re free to talk to whoever you
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want, and she’s free to walk away at
any time.
But if she tells YOU to leave, it’s simply
a test of your frame. She wants to see
that you won’t buckle under social
pressure.
Pass the test by ignoring it. If she tells
you to leave again, look her in the eye
with a sly smile and say “You’re free to
go if you want to.”
Her eyes will light up and she’ll punch
you in the arm. Pussy dampening
commences.
#5. You’re talking to a woman and
there’s an uncomfortably long lull
in the conversation.
Stare into her left pupil while saying
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nothing. Instant sexual tension.
#6. You approach a woman, or a
group of women, and they
attempt to mock or belittle you.
They’re nervous around you because
you’re the alpha male in the
environment. (As demonstrated by the
fact that you approached.)
They feel uncomfortable in your
presence because you’re high value,
and so they’re trying to maintain
frame by making nervous jokes.
Smile, nod, agree, and keep talking to
them AS IF they were being perfectly
nice to you. If you act like they’re
being civil, eventually their frame will
buckle to yours and they actually WILL
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begin to act civil.
That’s the nature of having a stronger
frame: you create reality. Other people
adjust themselves to it.
TL;DR
1. Women value you because you
have a STRONGER FRAME than them.
That’s all.
2. To figure out if you’ve got a strong
frame, women test you. These tests
come in the form of indifference,
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bitchiness, aloofness, personal insults,
etc.
3. You don’t have to do much to pass
these tests. You just have to ENDURE
them, keep talking to her, teasing her
a little and being normal. Over time,
her frame will buckle and she’ll
become aroused by you because she
sees you have a strong frame that
can’t be pushed around.
4. Attraction is a passive, not an active
process. You attract hot girls by
outframing them. You outframe them
by enduring their tests without it
breaking your frame. Eventually they
“buckle” to you and become wet,
laugh at your jokes, ask you what
you’re doing later, etc. Then you can
take her hand and lead her to the sex
location and she’ll be compliant.
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5. The hotter the woman, the harsher
will be her tests. Paradoxically, this
can actually make hotter women
easier to attract, because if you can
endure her tests you stand out
massively from other guys. Compare
to an average girl: her tests won’t be
as hard, so you have to pass more of
them and spend more time with her
before she can see you’re strong
If you’ve found this guide helpful,
you might like my blog. Start with
my most popular post: The
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Ultimate Guide To "Same Day Sex"
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What are Shit Tests
and how do I handle
them?
by IllimitableMan | December 14, 2014
| Link
Contents:
1.) Introduction
2.) What Are Shit Tests & What
Purpose Do They Serve?
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3.) Shit Tests & Game
3a.) Shit Test Passed & Shit Test
Failed: An Example
3b.) Examples: Standard Shit Tests
Women Use
4.) Shit Test Variation & Severity
4a.) Basic Shit Tests – Frame Probing
& Word Play
4b.) Advanced Level Shit Tests –
Psychological Games
4c.) Nuclear Shit Tests
5.) Passing Shit Tests
6.) In Closing / Relevant Reading
1.) Introduction:
Many people seem to think that shit
testing is a social device unique to
women; whereby a form of social test
is employed to determine the social
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fitness of a male in order to discern if
he is a viable sexual option or not.
Now whilst this isn’t wrong per se, it is
an incredibly limited and rudimentary
view of shit testing. Shit tests are a
basic yet vitally important part of
understanding and applying the red
pill philosophy to your life. Even if you
don’t agree with red pill philosophy,
shit tests still affect you. As a basic
social dynamic, shit tests are
something so incredibly inextricable
that you’re going to want to be able to
identify and quash them as a matter of
due course. Now without further ado,
let us begin.
2.) What Are Shit Tests & What
Purpose Do They Serve?:
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Why are they called shit tests? Well
when somebody “gives you shit” and
fucks with your head to see how you
will react, what you are experiencing is
typically a (series of) shit test(s).
Everyone has been shit tested, gets
shit tested and will continue to be shit
tested; It’s an unavoidable part of
human interaction. We use shit tests
to make value judgements about
people, likewise they can be used
to determine how people cope
under pressure. The underlying
mechanism of shit tests is to test your
mettle. Hence the name is not only
fitting, but likewise, accurate.
Shit tests don’t always have to be
questions, they can be blanket
assertions that are accusatory or
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provocative in nature. Such assertions
are designed to elicit an emotional
response from you, pushing you into a
state of reactivity and causing you to
reveal information about yourself.
“Ok, I get that, but why not just ask
me what you want to know rather than
play these silly games?”
The ignorant who have already passed
judgement on the topic this essay
covers have undoubtedly already
thought this. Humans have a
propensity to lie and tell people what
they think they want to hear. This is
especially true of women and the
effeminate men who emulate them;
both are consensus seeking creatures
who crave the approval of the group
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above all else. This goes some way to
explaining why women regardless of
social standing indulge in vapid
social pleasantries that men of
substance have neither the time nor
inclination for. They are anticonfrontational to the most sublime
degree, but nevertheless, I digress.
On the immediately observable
superficial level, the majority of people
are concealing their true identity. Thus
in order to make accurate deductions
about the personalities around us, we
challenge one another subtextually
and draw conclusions about “what the
other person is really like” when
gauging their responses. Shit tests can
be blatant or they can be covert, how
they manifest depends upon the intent
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and personality of the individual
employing the test. The sum potential
combination of differing shit test
scenarios is so vast that I cannot
possibly give an example of each and
every possible outcome in this article.
Therefore I shall instead bestow you
with the knowledge necessary to
refine your own analytical capabilities
so that you may act accordingly when
you find yourself being shit tested.
People have a tendency to exaggerate
their own strengths and project a false
heightened image of themselves. If
you’ve ever been on Facebook you will
have seen this first-hand. These
people are not showing you who they
really are or what they’re really worth,
instead they’re showing you “their
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life’s highlights” and leading you to
believe that this is how they live all
the time, that “they’re just that
awesome.” They want you to believe
their social value is higher than it
really is. Well, surprise, surprise,
people don’t just do this on Facebook,
they do this in real life too.
Those who consider themselves “a
bullshit free zone,” eg: masculine men
will “ball bust” (read: shit test your ass
a new one) quite relentlessly to
determine “just how much of a man
you are.” If you are an effeminate or
timid man, you will feel bullied rather
than challenged and this tells the
group everything they need to know
about you.
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You will fail to understand that what
you are experiencing is a social
initiation ritual that all men must go
through when they are new to a maledominated group. You will be
relentlessly ridiculed to determine
what you’re like and where you belong
in the pecking order. If you are too
reactive, you will be rejected and
exiled from the group, or relegated to
the bottom position as the emotional
punch bag everybody ridicules for
cheap laughs. To avoid finding yourself
condemned to such a fate, you must
demonstrate you can spar verbally
without taking too much to heart.
Shit tests are used to “determine your
frame.” Frame is a concept which
essentially means “composure and
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self-control.” If you need a visual
metaphor, imagine you are a work of
art on a gallery wall. You are kept
straight and presentable by the frame
you are kept in. If the frame was taken
away, your picture would fold and you
would fall to the floor. In the physical
sense of the metaphor, your canvas
folds, and you, the picture, fall to the
floor bent out of shape. Psychologically
and symbolically, folding means you
have “lost control and given up” in the
way that a player folds when they
surrender in a game of poker.
If you can keep composure/seem
unfazed and/or assert your boundaries
despite a shit test, generally speaking
you will be considered to have passed
the shit test. If you get upset,
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offended, doubt yourself or show
weakness in any discernible way when
shit tested, it will be generally
considered that you failed the test.
I will summarise this section of
the article with a valuable conclusion:
whilst passing shit tests
psychologically raises your perceived
social value, failing shit tests
psychologically lowers your perceived
social value. Pass people’s shit tests to
garner popularity and social success,
fail them, and you will become an
ostracised and unconfident outcast.
3.) Shit Tests & Game:
If a pretty girl says “I bet you say that
to all the girls” (a run-of-the-mill
standard shit test) and you stand there
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with your jaw ajar speechless in what
to say, you have just failed her shit
test. Your silence is not useful because
she can see you are not wilfully
ignoring her, you’re just stuck for what
to say and your mental slowness is
blatant. This is a huge faux pas
that communicates stark social
incompetency.
An example of passing her shit test?
The infamous agree and amplify
technique. If you were to say “Yeah,
but normally I forget their faces” and
she follows up with “So what, you’re
saying you won’t forget mine?”
(another shit test) and you reply with
another agree and amplify “Not if you
give me a reason not to” in a
charismatic tone, then you’ve
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effectively used game to come out
victorious in that round of testing.
You cannot falter in the midst of a shit
test. Sometimes they come out of
nowhere, completely unexpected and
catch you by surprise; which is why
being good at conversational
improvisation and word association
are fundamental tool boxes to being
able to destroy any shit test that may
come your way.
If you are abstract/metaphorical in
your thinking and verbal skills, you will
have a lot of fun with shit tests. Men
with subpar wit and verbal skills tend
to struggle with shit tests. As an aside
to men who fall into this category, I
suggest you watch more stand-up
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comedy to develop your wit and speak
more with people to improve your
conversational ability. If you get good
at “speaking shit” which is essentially
freestyle improvisational conversation
based upon nothing more than word
association, observation and mockery;
you will find passing shit tests to be
not only easy, but likewise immensely
enjoyable.
Shit tests can be passed in a multitude
of ways, so even when passing it’s not
strictly a matter of “whether you
passed or not” but just as important
is “how you passed.” For example,
people with a good sense of humour
tend to accept negative labels and
make jokes out of them, we call this
“agree and amplify.” Mentally violent
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people tend to quickly find a flaw in
the person attacking them and deflect
by associating the shit test with
a weakness perceived in the original
tester, thus attempting to humiliate
them – we call that a pressure flip.
3a.) Shit Test Passed & Shit Test
Failed: An Example
I’ll give you an example of a common
shit test women use, for the sake of
the example let’s pretend your name
is Tom: “Haha Tom is one of those
player guys, you can tell just by
looking at him!” It will sound like a
complaint, but it isn’t, it’s a shit test
and she wants to see how you respond
to her bullshit. She is conjuring up
inane accusatory nonsense purely to
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incite a response and determine your
level of confidence. After she says
this she will look at you to gauge your
body language and get a better read
on your frame.
Strong response: “Sounds like
you’ve got an eye for talent.” Body
language wise give her strong “I’m
gonna fuck you ’till I split you like the
Grand Canyon” eyes, or be aloof and
distant as if to suggest her test is
pathetic. Shit test passed, vagina’s
beginning to moisten.
Weak response: “I would never
dream of stringing a girl along!”
and then you start idiotically
justifying how “you’re not like that”
eyes widening, palms are sweaty,
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wishing you were at home with your
mum’s spaghetti. Shit test failed, she’s
drying up.
I will make a point of saying here that
whilst women will deliberately and
consciously shit test you, much of it is
entirely subconscious. They do it, but
they’re not aware why or even when
they do it for the most part. Women
who read this blog are probably not
indicative of that assessment, as
naturally my literature will have
elevated their self-awareness beyond
that of the average female.
3b.) Examples: Standard Shit
Tests Women Use:
– “Aww, are you upset?!” –
Translation: Are you a beta? Ignore it
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or agree and amplify. “Yeah I’m going
to go home and watch Titanic now.”
– “You’re such a player aren’t
you?!” – Translation: Are you
alpha?! Ignore it, be mysterious/vague
“maybe, come find out” or agree and
amplify “you don’t know the half of it.”
– “Buy me a drink!!” – Translation:
Are you a beta? Compliance test. If
you buy her shit you’re a chump. The
correct response: “No, you buy me a
drink.” You communicate you’re more
valuable than she is. Only lower value
men buy drinks for random women
they don’t know. Unless you’re
preselected out the ass (eg: you own
the club) in that case you can buy
shots for homeless men and nobody
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gives a fuck. The boss man gets a pass
for doing weird and insane shit that
would see lesser men condemned.
– “I have a boyfriend!” –
Translation: I have Schrödinger’s
boyfriend, demonstrate to me you’re
high value and I’ll fuck you regardless.
It is hilarious when they say this.
“What boyfriend, your imaginary one?”
– Then laugh in her face. – “Sounds
like you’re shit out of luck, I’m going to
have to fuck your friend instead, feel
free to watch.” Always be prepared to
get slapped when you’re running this
kind of obnoxious asshole game. Don’t
say I didn’t warn you, consider the
slap a sign she cares.
– “I don’t date short guys” –
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Translation: You look like a beta
because you’re not physically
imposing. Of course only guys who
aren’t considered tall by the cultural
standard of the country they are in are
subject to this shit test. The correct
response is to agree and
amplify: “Yeah I’m a fucking dwarf
even in my heels.” There is nothing
worse than a short guy who is all
messed up over his lack of height and
gets insecure at the first mention of it.
Women will shit test you on this if you
are short (or even average) height.
You have to seem like you don’t give a
shit about the fact you’re not
considered tall. If you get upset, she’ll
think you’re weak because your
jimmies were so easily rustled. Be
unreactive, no fucks should get given,
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you can’t change your height so you
have to learn to accept it.
– “Do you believe in love at first
sight?!” – Translation: Are you a
beta? The answer to this is always no.
Or if you’re bold and don’t give a shit
about being slapped and want to
escalate with tension: “I didn’t but
then I saw your titties on the way over
and I’ve been having deep
philosophical reconsiderations ever
since.”
– “Can we be -just friends?-“ –
Translation: I think you are a beta that
should do my bidding. The answer to
this is almost always no. Unless of
course you don’t want to bang the
chick (she’s a uggo) and for whatever
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reason you think she’d be cool to have
around.
– “How many girls have you slept
with?” – Translation: Do you get laid a
lot or are you a sex starved
beta? Saying you have not slept with
many girls communicates low value.
Exaggerate your number if it’s low.
If it’s high give any
old number assuming you’ve kept
track. Fail-safe responses: “I’ve lost
count.” – “What, today? Not many.” –
“Pick a number, any number.”
– “Do you have a girlfriend?” –
Translation: Are you a beta? (Can you
get laid?) – The correct answer is
always yes (it increases your
preselection.) Women love poaching
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men from other women, they
essentially find whatever is “in
demand” to be attractive, that’s what
we refer to as “preselection.” Ways to
pass this test: “she told me not to tell
anyone” – “We’re not Facebook
official” – “I don’t cuddle her after sex,
so no?”
– “I bet you have a girlfriend!” –
Translation: I want to fuck you but I
don’t know if other women find you
hot. More overt variant of the above
which assumes you’re preselected,
indicating a higher level of interest.
Again, even if you don’t have a
girlfriend, you should say you do or
otherwise indicate that you do to
increase your perceived preselection.
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– “Hold my bag for me!” or “Will
you go and get me a coffee?” –
(substitute bag/coffee for whatever) –
Translation: Are you a complicit beta
that will do what I tell you to do? This
is a compliance test wrapped up in a
power play to see if you are “wrapped
around her little finger.” Some
variation of “No” or “Hold/get it
yourself” does well. Sneer whilst you
say it for bonus points.
As you may have noticed from the
repertoire of woman’s bog standard
run-of-the-mill shit tests, they are
incredibly fixated on discerning
whether or not you are a beta (guy
who doesn’t get laid much, if at all.) If
in doubt, err towards being an asshole.
Being identified as a beta dries up
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panties quicker than you can boil an
egg in a Sahara sauna. If you show
boldness and exude a “I will mockingly
bullshit you” kind of attitude, you’ll do
just fine.
4.) Shit Test Variation & Severity:
You have three separate themes that
shit tests fall under:
– Dominance
– Compliance
– Fitness
A dominance shit test is used to
determine how mentally tough you
are, eg: “do you always whine like a
bitch?” A compliance shit test is used
to determine how much influence a
person has over you, eg: “get me a
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coffee.” A fitness shit test is used to
determine your social skills/sense of
humour eg: “you look hilarious when
you’re crying.”
Dominance is an underlying theme
behind all shit tests, however
dominance has its own classification
too. Fitness tests are normally also
dominance tests, but a dominance test
can be employed purely to test/wrestle
for dominance and have no humour
determining component attached to it.
A fitness test merely wants to
determine your ability to banter and
endure a verbal onslaught, normally if
you fail at fitness tests the tester
won’t want much to do with you
socially speaking. In light of this,
compliance shit tests and fitness shit
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tests share some overlap with
dominance shit tests, consider them
more specific sub-categories of
dominance.
As a rule of thumb, the more messed
up the individual is, the higher the
stakes are. Likewise, the higher value
the person you’re dealing with, the
more severely you will be shit tested.
EG: CEOs will shit test harder and
more frequently than office assistants,
women with daddy issues will shit test
more than women who had stable
relationships with their fathers. BPD
women never stop shit testing.
In further example, interviews are
essentially a collection of shit tests.
Going for a job? You’re going to get
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shit tested “to see if you’re worth
employing.” Those weird questions
you get asked such as “if you had any
kind of super power, what would it be
and why?” and “name your biggest
weakness” are shit tests designed to
indirectly determine the strength of
your character, creative intelligence
and confidence. It’s not only what you
respond with that matters, but likewise
how quickly and in what manner (are
you confident/dominant or
unconfident/submissive?)
The “name your biggest weakness”
shit test seems to be a question that
continuously protrudes and persists
with employers nowadays. It’s as if
rather perversely they want to subtly
neg you and see how you handle it to
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determine how you deal with ego
violation. I sincerely doubt they care
much for your introspective capacity.
In generation narcissist (millennials,
but growingly, their generation
X parents too) this of course leads to a
lot of confusion as well as butthurt: “I
don’t know” and “I don’t even… but
mummy and daddy told me I was a
special snowflake!” As a freebie, my
response to this shit test is: “I’m so
egotistical I don’t even know what my
weaknesses are and find introspection
difficult.. so I guess being blind to my
own faults would be my weakness.”
Now ironically, that statement is
introspective, humble and paradoxical,
so the answer is something of a head
fuck, however most times I have used
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it in the past it has been accepted as a
valid answer.
Be warned however, particularly
shrewd/Machiavellian recruiters will
probably see this as a red flag. If your
instincts tell you the recruiter is highly
Machiavellian, ditch this tactic and
admit to something asinine such as
your constant battle with timekeeping
– these people are seeking an honest
admission imperfection, not the smart
ass narcissistic shit I recommended up
there.
Bear in mind I use long words and
elaborate metaphors as part of my
linguistic register in real life, it is
natural to me. Using canned lines is
bad because it means you lack natural
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game and need to borrow from
another man’s wit. If you are not so
wordy, it will look weird if you are not
congruently wordy but instead only
wordy in the passing of a specific shit
test (because it is a line you have read
on here or somewhere else.) This will
arouse suspicion that you have some
sort of script pre-prepared because
your answer seems out-of-place in
relation with how you would normally
talk. So if you don’t talk as elaborately
as I, you can shorten it to “I don’t
know what my weaknesses are, is that
a weakness?” At this point they may
try to lead you to “confess a weakness
about yourself.” Treat it like a police
interrogation where they try to get you
to “admit you committed a crime,”
which in this context is equivocally:
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“admit that you have a flaw.”
When you say you don’t know your
weaknesses they will ask you a series
of questions under the guise of helping
you, but in actual fact these are all
overt shit tests posing as honest
questions “Are you a bad timekeeper?
– No.” “Do you suffer from confidence
related issues? – No.” “Do you have
problems motivating yourself? – No.”
Why would you tell an employer that
you’re low confidence, poorly
motivated and never arrive on time,
even if it were true? You want to get
an employment contract after all, are
they really going to hire you with with
the knowledge that you’re a bad bet?
If you’re dumb enough to fall for these
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shit tests, you lack the basic social
competency to get yourself a job. It
amazes me how self-detrimentally
honest people can be when they are
subject to even a tiny amount of social
pressure from a position of authority.
Likewise, going out on a date with a
woman is a collection of shit tests “to
see if you’re worth having sex with.”
Being in a police interrogation room is
a collection of shit tests. Being heckled
by members of the audience as a
comedian is a collection of shit tests.
And it goes on and on and on. Shit
tests are an inescapable and recurring
element of life, so you better get good
at handling them.
4a.) Basic Shit Tests – Frame
Probing & Word Play:
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When most people think of shit tests
they’re thinking of basic tests
designed to probe your frame (mental
stability, congruency and strength) via
word play. Basic shit tests normally
manifest as insincere questions. An
example would be something like “do
you always talk to people like
that?” They can be played off as a
genuine question into the nature of
your character, however its true intent
is to discern how you cope with being
put on the spot. Basic shit tests
usually rely on the element of surprise
to catch you unaware. An improvised
basic shit test is spawned out of a play
on words or some other similar facet
of word association. The shit tester will
take a statement of yours and ask an
associated question (or make a
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statement) which purposely distorts its
meaning in a somewhat hostile
manner. Here are some examples:
You: “I don’t trust women”
Them: “Is that because you find
women intimidating?”
You: “I like cookies”
Them: “I’ll get you a gastric band for
Christmas then”
4b.) Advanced Level Shit Tests –
Psychological Games:
Advanced level shit tests are subtle
but retain plausible deniability. Rather
than directly questioning you or
challenging you in an overt verbal
manner, typically they will opt to
challenge you in a covert non-verbal
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manner. Inspiring jealousy by
excluding someone who would
typically otherwise be included in
something is a shit test. It is a test to
see if you care enough to voice your
concern, or challenge those who would
otherwise opt to exclude you.
Naturally, seeming unfazed and
outcome independent regardless of
your contempt for said shit test is the
optimum way to handle things.
When people shit test you and it’s a
lose-lose situation, opt to ignore them.
You only win by not playing. For
example, if someone insults you
publicly to try to stir up drama (and it
is assumed they will benefit from such
controversy) your only recourse is to
deprive them of the theatrical
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controversy which they seek. I’ve
found that the more successful I’ve
become within the various realms of
my life, the more I’ve had other
socially dominant men try to test my
mettle by flagrantly disrespecting me
just to see what I’ll do about it. It can
be subtle and implied, or overt and
explicit. Either way, not playing is oft
the only winning move in such a
situation. Even if you can come out on
top in a battle of wits, you sink a lot of
your precious time combating
nonsense that you gain nothing from.
When you’re powerful, other people
see opportunities in attempting to
bring you down a notch or two. Such
people will try to get you to react to
their inanity merely so they may
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bolster their reputation by latching
onto yours. It is for this reason that the
art of silence; ignoring your enemies
overtly is a necessary skill set that all
men looking to preserve their
accumulated power should master and
employ with regularity. It is simple,
when you feel someone provoking a
response from your ego, interject your
emotions with the question “is there a
way for me to benefit from responding
to this?” if the answer is no, replying is
pointless. Let reason override emotion,
cultivate this skill by refining your selfdiscipline.
Such shit tests are typically obvious in
their intent to put you on the defence.
Once you get caught in a web of shit
testing, you will often find yourself
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justifying your choices and explaining
your actions. This lowers your social
value, wins you no respect and digs an
even deeper hole. Non-Machiavellian
logic fails in handling shit tests, people
do not respect rationality, they respect
only indications of high status.
Explaining yourself, no matter how
rational your explanation is will be
perceived as a demonstration of low
status. Do not justify yourself, if you
find yourself explaining yourself in the
midst of an argument or theatrical
device, you’re losing and would be far
better off just immediately exiting
stage instead.
At the advanced level you find there is
a lot of blame shifting, typically in
discussion the shit tester will try to
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convince you that you are somehow
responsible for any flaws or
weaknesses of theirs. Women
particularly seem to habitually blame
shift, it’s not only a self-defence
mechanism to diffuse feelings of
inferiority or guilt but it also acts as a
shit test because if you accept the
blame, you will be seen less
favourably.
You: “Come on you need to pull your
weight around here.”
Them: “If I’m lazy it’s because I’m
following the stellar example you have
set.”
Now of course the dialogue above
could be a perfectly healthy part of
banter, but bear in mind that an
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inability to banter has the same effect
as failing a shit test within a serious
context. Whether pleasurable or not,
banter is simply shit testing for the
sake of mental stimulation, and like
more serious shit testing you still need
to be able to respond aptly. If your
ability to handle shit tests is poor,
head on over to the red pill
comedy page and watch how
comedians deal with hecklers.
4c.) Nuclear Shit Tests:
A nuclear shit test colloquially referred
to as “going nuclear” or “the nuclear
option” is when someone does
something which violates conventional
social boundaries in order to see how
you will react. These are a step up
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from “advanced level shit tests” being
more extreme in nature, usually
bordering on psychological/emotional
abuse. They can be covert (removing
all the money from your bank account
and feigning ignorance to see how you
deal without money) or overt
(somebody taking a bite out of your
food and then staring at you in the
eye.)
Nuclear shit tests are designed to test
your reaction not by probing your
psyche with words, but by probing
your psyche with actions that would
typically be expected to offend, hurt,
disrespect etc. Say you’re with a girl
and you’ve hooked up a few times.
She’s a plate pushing for commitment
but you haven’t given in to her
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demands. You’re both out at the club
and she starts grinding on another
guy. She’s doing this to make you
jealous in an attempt to force your
hand. She’s using dread game and
trying to get you to commit to her by
inspiring competition anxiety within
you. Dread game when used by
women is a nuclear shit test. How do
you pass this shit test? Go talk to other
girls, when it inevitably comes up later
she was grinding respond with “that’s
cool” (it signifies you don’t care in a
positive manner) or “you can do what
you like” etc. Realise she did what she
did for your benefit, to test you: it’s all
about you. If you weren’t there to see
it, she wouldn’t have used another
man as an instrument to manipulate
you into giving her an offer of
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exclusivity.
5.) Passing Shit Tests:
There are many mechanisms which
one can employ to pass a shit test.
Passing a shit test means you have
responded to the test in a way that
either neutralises the tester’s
challenge or causes them to perceive
you as confident, dominant and
valued. Before we begin, a note on
agree and amplify: agree and amplify
seems to be the “shit test buster” of
choice for most people. Agree and
amplify is really good for making
jokes, but if used inappropriately eg: in
the presence of potential violence, it
could make things worse by actually
escalating instead of defusing things.
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If a violent man walked up to you and
said “Do you want me to fuck you up?”
(this is a shit test, but he will do it if
you fail) and you agree and amplify on
him: “Yes in the ass please” instead of
being impressed by your wit he is
likely to respond: “So you don’t think
I’m serious? Let me show you how
serious I am” followed by an attempt
to beat the hell out of you.
Be aware that not all shit test busters
will work in every scenario. You have
to use your common sense, calibrate
to the situation and determine what
shit test solving method should be
utilised based upon the context.
Now let’s say you approached a
woman and began the conversation
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with an improvised opener, and she
replies: “I bet you use that line on all
the girls.” Here are the various ways in
which you could pass her shit test.
They are plentiful.
Agree and amplify is the usage of
the logical fallacy reductio ad
absurdum (Latin for: reduce to
absurdity.) What you do is you take
someone’s criticism and nonchalantly
imply it is absurd by exacerbating
what they have said. So in relation to
the shit test at the beginning of this
section: “Yeah I literally wake up in the
morning covered in bitches it’s that
effective.” It is this device which is the
bread and butter of Rollo’s theory of
Amused Mastery.
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Disagree and amplify is the same as
agree and amplify except you disagree
rather than agree with the premise.
So in relation to the shit test at the
beginning of this section: “No you’re
the first girl I’ve ever spoken to, I used
to be a mute.”
A pressure flip is where you reverse
the social pressure put on you back
onto the originator of the social
pressure. So in relation to the shit test
at the beginning of this section: “I bet
you think everything’s a line because
you’ve got trust issues.”
Agree and pressure flip is the same
as a pressure flip except you precede
the flip with agreement. So in relation
to the shit test at the beginning of this
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section: “Yeah I do, I’m sorry, did you
think you were special or something?”
Disagree and pressure flip is the
same as a pressure flip except you
precede the flip with disagreement.
So in relation to the shit test at the
beginning of this section: “Nah you’re
too ugly for me to be dropping lines
on.”
Ignore – Provide no acknowledgement
of the shit test by ignoring it. This is a
bad choice when you have just met
someone, but once your reputation
and/or superiority has been
established it is a great way of
nonchalantly invalidating the
importance of an enquiry. It implies
“what you said isn’t even worth
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addressing.” This is best used on
people who are lower in the pecking
order than you are or as a response to
the manifestation of stupidity. If
someone asked you if you liked to eat
your own excrement, you could have a
joke and agree and amplify into
something about a sewer using your
keen knowledge of word association
and semantic fields, or rather simply
you could ignore the inanity of
the question. The choice of style is
yours to make and will be contingent
on your mood, your relative social
positions in relation to one another
and what you suspect the shit tester’s
intent is.
Misdirect – Change the topic of
conversation to something else, this
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invalidates the enquiry by providing no
acknowledgement of it. In this sense it
is similar to ignoring a shit test. There
is a chance however that the tester
will become annoyed by your
invalidation and will thus retest you
until you pass with a more effective
method. This works best on people
with attention span issues, as they will
often forget how they were testing you
once distracted, and if they ask you
what they were saying you can simply
feign ignorance, invalidating their test
and condemning it to beyond the
grasp of their engrams. In relation to
the shit test at the beginning of this
section: “Have you farted? It stinks.”
Ridicule Reframe – This is major
asshole game or what I personally
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refer to as “Patrice O’Neal Game.” You
use this kind of game to bring
incredibly narcissistic and angry
women off the ego pedestal. Don’t use
this on timid sheltered women if you
ever want to sleep with them, they’ll
get too intimidated to act upon their
attraction. Ridicule reframes are
particularly helpful in bantering with
other guys, who relish in the verbal
violence and ensuing laughter it can
inspire. In relation to the shit test at
the beginning of this section: “I
bet you’re single because your face
looks like a 9/11 crash site “
Pseudo-Gaslight – This one is really
simple. You pretend you have no idea
what the person shit testing you is
talking about and accuse them of
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making things up. So in relation to the
shit test at the beginning of this
section: “What line? Got an active
imagination have we?”
6.) In Closing / Relevant Reading:
I wanted to include dark triad shit tests
in here to complete the compendium
of shit test related
information, however I feel that as the
dark triad portion of the site operates
as a standalone section; having its
own article would make for more
optimised archiving and searching
should someone specifically want to
look up how dark triad individuals shit
test people. Not only that, but due to
its intricacy this piece has become far
longer than I had originally intended
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and I do not wish to be intentionally
terse in my discussion of dark triad
shit tests just to keep the word length
down. Dark triad shit tests will be the
topic of a future article.
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Working with women
by leftajar | January 14, 2015 | Link
A gentleman posted in /r/asktrp with a
question -- he is about to begin a new
job in which he is the only male in a
group of twenty-five females. If that
made your asshole pucker in terror,
good: you're right to be cautious. This
list was written for that man, but the
rules apply to any man forced to work
alongside women.
Follow these rules to maximize
harmony, reduce needless stress, and
survive disaster. (6th critical point
added by /u/cyralea)
1. Never, ever, take sides.
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Women will approach you and
complain about each other; it's
what they do. Listen, empathize,
and never, under any
circumstances, take one
woman's side.
2. Get used to refusing requests
for help. Every job I've ever had
with females, they were
constantly trying to offload their
basic job description onto the
males. In other words, they were
always asking for help with shit
they should be able to handle. As
the lone male, this will be
amplified times a hundred for
you. Just say no to shit.
3. Do not fuck any of them.
These women are off-limits
for fucking. The simple rule, of
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"don't shit where you eat," is
quadruply appropriate for you.
Women can't keep secrets. If you
bang one of them, the rest will
know within a day or two.
Guaranteed. Don't do it.
4. Don't be too effective. Women
generally don't work very well,
and they constantly require
group validation. You put these
two things together, and what
you get is an environment in
which everybody is aware of how
hard everybody else is working.
The level of work of each woman
is well-calibrated to both: not get
fired, and not make anyone else
look bad. In a male environment,
everyone is trying to get ahead.
In a female environment,
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everyone is trying not to piss
everyone else off. Figure out how
hard the top 5 women work, and
work that hard. But NO HARDER!
(Edit: Read the culture, go
with the flow, and don't make
a woman look bad. It comes
down to culture. If your female
coworkers are effective and lowdrama, by all means -- kick ass.
Just be wary. Exclusively-female
workplaces have a tendency to
devolve into... cattiness, which
creates loafing. The presence of
a single male changes that. If
you were to enter a catty,
ineffective group of females,
bringing a male ass-kicking
attitude, it would send
shockwaves of surprise and
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distress through the females.
Seriously -- I cannot overstate
how nutty it gets without any
males. Just read the article Read
from halfway.
5. Don't play favorites; conduct
yourself as a loner. Women
are hypersensitive to politics.
Groups of women will try to enlist
you as a beta orbiter constantly.
Stay aloof. You're the rooster in
the henhouse; you're the adult
on the playground. Just hold
yourself to a good standard of
behavior, and stay out of muck of
female relationships. Women
don't need a valid reason to hate
you. It could be as simple as,
"you always sit with those
women at lunch, and I don't like
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them. So I don't like you. No
promotion." Sit alone, eat alone,
keep to yourself. Better to be the
enigmatic loner than Cathy's
male bitch for all the other
bitches to hate.
6. Never confide in these
women. They will likely question
you and pry into your life under
the seemingly innocent guise of
friendly banter. Don't fall for this.
The more they learn about you,
the more they have leverage to
potentially use against you. Keep
your conversations light and
professional, but most
importantly fact-free as it
pertains to any aspect of your
personal life. Any given one of
them might be friendly today,
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but maybe tomorrow she is
catching a vibe from the other
ladies that you're untrustworthy.
Her feels won't let her rebuke
them. Suddenly all the things
you confided to her because she
seemed like a decent person go
out the window.
That's it; good luck, brothers.
Edit: we're getting some confusion
about #4. That advice is for a lone
man in an otherwise all-female
environment. In that situation, the
women's level of effort is calibrated to
each other, which is typically way
lower than what they're capable of. In
that situation, if you did your best,
you'd embarrass all the women. In a
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normal, mixed-gender environment,
that's not a concern; just do your best.
2nd edit: for some epic lulz, see what
happened to an all-female TV
company.]
3rd edit: Fun story in support of #4. In
the past, I made acquaintance with a
veteran aerobics instructor in her 50's.
She was a cool gal, very direct, with an
old-school midwestern attitude. She
was a great trainer because she was
encouraging, but called you on your
bullshit.
She invited me to attend her aerobics
class for free. So I went. Fun, decent
cardio. Interesting thing was, I was the
only male in the room. So I fuckin'
stepped up and gave it 100%.
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Chit-chatting afterwards, she
mentioned something to me. "I'm glad
you're here. It helps to have a guy
here."
Pause. Whoa. Interesting... "What do
you mean?"
"Well, if there's no guy in the room,
they all slack! And they complain
endlessly! GOD.. it's so irritating! ....
But with just one guy here, not a
peep."
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Older RPers, advice for
young men starting
out?
by seattleron | January 7, 2015 | Link
I'm always curious what older guys
would do different in their life had they
been RP in their 20's or 30's. For those
of us that age, what would you say we
should focus on/strive for that doesn't
get enough attention?
We know all about not being a pussy
faggot with women, but what else?
Would you have had a kid young? Not
had a kid? Never got married? Went to
college? Not went to college?
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Drop some wisdom on us.
Edit: I just want to thank all of the
older players for dropping some
wisdom on us. There is a TON of good
advice in here. I was hoping the thread
would turn into something like this.
It looks like the three agreed upon
things that are accepted by almost
100% of those responding:
1.) Lift, lift, lift, and get big. Never
stop. Like someone said, no one gives
a shit if you do an hour of cardio or if
your blood pressure is good, you get
respect by being big, brahs.
2.) Don't get married. Unfortunately,
the thoughts of having a loving,
feminine, sweet wife for life in the
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West is damn near a pipe dream. It's
just not worth it.
3.) Make money. It's good for you, and
it's good for your dick.
I have one I would like to add for
the 18-22 (or whatever) crowd:
Stay away from student loans. Stay as
far away from them as possible. If you
had a good dad/parents around, you'll
already know this, but since most of us
are former betas who probably grew
up with just mom around, you won't
know. Student loans are a choker
chain around your neck. You cannot
ever NOT pay them back. As long as
you have a heartbeat and a social
security number, you will pay that shit
back. Private companies give out the
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loans, and the government guarantees
them. Ever wonder why these banks
offer you so much each semester? It's
because the government says: "You
loan these students this money, and
we will guarantee it. If they don't pay
it back, we will, then we'll get our
money back from them." How do they
get their money back? They take your
tax returns and garnish your wages
until every red cent is paid back.
Don't take out extra money to buy a
dumbass Macbook air, you don't need
it. Go to the fucking library and use
one for free. Don't take out extra to
"live on," get a part time job you lazy
ass! Don't buy a car because "I need
to get around," get a summer job and
bust your ass saving and ask your
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mom or dad or uncle Fred to drive you,
they will. Or, walk to work.
Go to a community college for the first
two years of your degree. It will be half
or less the price for the same courses
you can take at a university. Bust your
ass and get a 4.0. Those first two
years are the easiest classes you will
have anyway, and most of them are
filled with bullshit core courses the
universities want you to have. Then,
apply for scholarships to whatever
university you want to get into and see
if you can go for free, if not, go to the
cheapest state university that has
what you want. Apply for every
scholarship available. There are
scholarships for everything from
people whose parents worked in a
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factory, to people who are 6'6. Do your
homework, and get schooling for free
if you can.
Just like marriage, student loans can
be something that kills your future.
Don't be an idiot. Start paying on the
principle whilst still in school if you've
taken some, you'd be surprised how a
$200 a month payment can make a
difference in the long run.
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Red Pill general FAQ.
15 most common
mistakes seen on
AskTRP
by RedditAdminsSuck_88 | June 17,
2016 | Link
Summary: I've been posting
frequently on AskTRP for about 2
years now and here are the 15
most common mistakes I see day
in and day out. Mistakes that
aren't worthy enough individually
for their own thread, but
combined together are
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1 - Thinking TRP is about women
and only women
This is probably the most common
mistake I have seen in AskTRP. It's
really easy to spot. There are too
many posters who come in, post some
problem, and its blatantly obvious they
haven't read the sidebar because the
post is littered with things you would
never see from someone who has at
the very least read the sidebar. As if
they think AskTRP is a relationships
advice sub like relationshits, OKCupid,
AskWomen, etc. As if they assume TRP
is some magic philosophy/mindset you
adapt to get women to like you more,
and its some easy ideology that can
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be adapted in 15 minutes before the
bell rings at school and they see their
crush out in the hallway.
I understand AskTRP is an advice sub,
but what good is red pill tinted advice
going to be if its clear you have no
clue what TRP stands for? At the very
least read the sidebar and have some
ideas on the basic tenets of TRP.
TRP isn't some magic ideology you
apply and fix your problems overnight.
It's a process. It's a marathon, not a
sprint. It's an on going process. There
is no "end". You continue to work on
yourself. You continue to get better.
There is always room to improve. So if
you are looking for a quick fix to woo
your oneitis, or some kind of a
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shortcut to get your dick into a girl's
pussy, this isn't the place for you.
There are plenty of subs on reddit that
just give out basic relationship advice.
2 - Not Fucking Lifting
My favorite question to ask posters
who clearly fall into violating the first
mistake I posted. I'd say 75% of the
time, the answer is no, or some kind of
hamster as to why they aren't in the
gym being serious about lifting. Men,
there is a reason why we emphasize
lifting so damn much. Besides getting
stronger, and getting in shape, and
getting a better body, the natural high
from testosterone racing through your
body can cure a lot of problems. You'd
be surprised. Had a bad day? Feel like
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shit? The gym can cure that.
There is no excuse not to be lifting. If
you can't afford it, then stop worrying
about women, go get a job so you can
afford it. Get your own life in order
before worrying about women, and
that includes lifting. Lifting should be
one of your top priorities, way ahead
of women. If nothing else, lift.
3 - Acting like a dog and returning
to its own vomit
So many posts on AskTRP. "Hey, I saw
my ex, what should I do" or "My ex
texted me, do I respond" or "Should I
try to get back with my ex?". The
answer is always no. She is your ex for
a reason. Either you fucked up by
being a beta faggot, and the amount
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of investment required to change her
view of you as a beta faggot isn't
worth it. Or you were alpha and she
dumped you anyway, and therefore
she isn't LTR material since she is a
branch swinger. A dog returns to its
own vomit. You are not a dog. Exes
should always be nexted. Period.
There are 3.5 billion other women out
there. Going back to your ex is
backdoor oneitis. Why focus on
damaged goods?
4 - Getting easily offended over
stupid shit
These posts grind my gears because
its silly. They are very common. "Help,
my friend is disrespecting me. What
do I do?" or "How do I keep my boss
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from showing disrespect toward me"
or "My friends insult me. How do I
stand up to them?". These posts grind
me gears because I read the said
posts and the things these posters are
getting offended over is really weak,
low level petty shit that's not worth
the energy to even make an AskTRP
post about. What you need to do is not
give a fuck and ignore it. If your
friends are picking on you or giving
you a hard time, its because you have
reinforced their behavior by reacting
to it in the past. If you stop reacting to
it, they will stop picking on you,
because its no longer fun for them.
Men don't pick on confident men who
hold frame. If its your boss, tough shit.
Find another job or deal with it. He is
your boss, so you do what you are
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told. It's not worth risking your job
over.
Ignore them. Hold frame. Amused
Mastery. It might seem that by
ignoring them, you are letting them
show you up and get away with it. But
its really not, because you are showing
you are above it and don't care by
ignoring and not entering their frame.
Especially because a lot of these types
are doing it to get a rise out of you and
bait you into reacting. The only time
you should stand up for yourself is in
self-defense after being struck, as an
absolute last resort. This goes for
white knights too.
5 - Not gaming women in person
first
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Gaming women via Tinder or Social
Media or dating apps should be done
as a supplement, not your main
method of gaming. If you don't have
your in-person game down, what
makes you think you will be able to
game these women online once you
meet up with them in person? Reading
these posts where the posters don't
game women in person and only try to
game them on Facebook or Tinder
make me cringe because its obvious
they are too afraid to do it in person
and therefore think that it will be
easier behind a keyboard. All you are
doing is shifting the eventual awkward
disaster to when you meet up instead
of the initial approach. Get your inperson game down first.
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On a second note, please for the love
of God do not add women you want to
game on social media until well after
you have met with and interacted with
them in person. Preferably, don't add
them on social media at all, its
entering their frame. Make them do it.
Way too many AskTRP posts have
something along the lines of "I've
never met this woman or talked to her
in person before, but I added her on
Facebook and she added me back! Is
this an IOI?!?!". If you want to end
your chances with a woman before
you ever speak to her, add her on
social media. One way ticket to
landing in the "creep" or "coward" box.
6 - Doing drugs
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If you have your life in order, have met
your goals, have a lot of money in the
bank, are where you want to be
financially, have your retirement
accounts going, have your body in the
shape you want it to be, and are
where you want to be career wise, do
what you want. Until then, stay away
from drugs. All it does is the "D"s.
Derail your goals, delay your goals,
destroy your goals, destroy your
health, destroy your finances, etc. etc.
etc. It's not worth it in the long run.
Too many posters on AskTRP talking
about doing drugs like its no big deal
and then wondering why they have
problems in their lives whether it be
with women, finances, or career path.
7 - Thinking that they HAVE to
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have a girlfriend
Hey men, there is no rule that says
you must have a girlfriend, or even
plates. That is female thinking. This is
how women think: "If I don't have a
boyfriend, then people will think I am
an ugly loser that no man wants and I
will be alone forever!!!". Reading posts
on AskTRP I feel like too many guys
have the same mindset because they
make posts about their LTR or
girlfriend and its clear they are trying
way too hard and are having to invest
way too much to make it work.
The best thing you can do is next a
woman. If the woman is not adding
value to your life and is more trouble
than she is worth, don't put up with
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her. Next her and be free. I don't see
why so many of you put up with the
shit you do just so you can "Have a
girlfriend". Talk about putting pussy on
the pedestal.
8 - Not paying attention to red
flags.
I get that everyone has preferences,
but there are some red flags that you
just can't ignore. I love reading AskTRP
posts where the OP is posting about
some girl he is gaming, and says the
girl is a militant feminist, or is
bisexual, or does drugs, or can't
control her drinking, or has dyed
rainbow colored hair, or multiple
piercings, or some kind of obvious red
flag and then wonder why things
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aren't working out with her.
9 - Not having your own life in
order
Are you unemployed? Are you broke?
Are you still living with your parents?
Are you recovering from addiction? Do
you not have enough money for a gym
membership or means of
transportation to get to one? Do you
not have your shit together? If so, stop
worrying about women and focus on
yourself first. Once you get your life
together and in order, then worry
about women. All women will do is
delay you from getting your shit
together. They can wait. Besides,
being unemployed or broke or living at
home will dry most of them up
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anyway.
10 - Not escalating
A common AskTRP question is "Is this
an IOI?" or "I am not sure if this girl is
into me, how should I proceed?". When
in doubt, escalate. If you aren't
escalating, you are drying her out.
Escalating is the only way to find out if
she is into you or not. Here is the deal.
You will get shut down 100% of the
time if you don't escalate. So
hamstering away a lack of escalation
because "I don't know if she is ready"
or "I am waiting for the right time" or
"I don't want to move too fast" will dry
her up anyway and get you shot down
later. It's only delaying the inevitable.
Women like men who take charge and
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make their intentions known up front.
11 - Not valuing your time
This is common in AskTRP posts where
the OP is posting about where he went
wrong and why she didn't fuck him or
want to go out with him again or
whatever. Often in these stories I see
something along the lines of "We
texted all day" or "We met at the
coffee shop and talked to each other
for hours". Do you not value your
time? Talking to a women for hours
without any escalation is basically
saying "Here I am, your emotional
tampon" to her. All you will do is dry
her up and give her the green light to
dump everything on you and turn you
into an orbiter because you talked to
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her for hours without any kind of
escalation or making your intentions
known, and therefore she will view you
as a weak coward too afraid to make a
move. Escalate early, escalate
often. Don't be the chump who texts
or talks to women for hours upon end
without escalating, that is what
orbiters are for. Don't be an orbiter.
12 - Cohabitating
This is a basic Tomassi Iron Rule that
needs no explanation. Do not live with
women you aren't married to or are
planning to marry within 6 months.
Period. Way too many posters on
AskTRP who cohabitate and hamster
up reasons why they do. Out of the
dozens of reasons I have heard, not
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one of them is a good reason for doing
so. Yes, you have a choice. If you are
living with your LTR because you are
broke and can't afford your own place,
go back up to point #9 I made. Get
your own life in order.
13 - Putting up with masculine
behavior
Is your LTR a girl who goes out and
gets blackout drunk trashed every
weekend? Can she control her
drinking? Does she get way too wild
when she goes out? Does she do
drugs? Does she get into verbal fights
with other women, specifically
strangers, when she is out? Does she
have a potty mouth? Does she
disrespect strangers? These are all
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masculine behaviors and therefore
should eliminate her from LTR
consideration. This is not LTR worthy
material. Again, 3.5 billion women out
there. Find one who doesn't behave
like that. If she is already your LTR,
demote her to plate. An LTR worthy
woman should be feminine, not
masculine.
14 - Not being direct when
arranging meetup logistics with
women
I made a post about this a couple
weeks ago. Do not ask women out. Do
not ask them what time works for
them, or when they are free. Basically,
do not put the ball in the woman's
court when it comes to logistics. You
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are a busy man with a lot of shit going
on in your life. Therefore you dictate
the time and place and simply tell her
to come along for the ride to join you.
If not, oh well, you still went out and
had a good time and did whatever it
was you did. Practice outcome
independence here.
15 - LDRs
There are 3.5 billion women on this
planet. Are you telling me you have
absolutely no options around you and
have to resort to an LDR on the other
side of the country or in another
country? Really? These are extra
pathetic when the OP met the girl
online and not in person. Get out there
and game women near you in person
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that you can actually meet up with. It's
hard to have abundance mentality
when you are longing for some LDR 3
time zones away. It's nothing more
than oneitis.
If your LTR moves away either
temporarily or permanently, its not
worth keeping the relationship
together anyway. Women have short
attention spans. The moment she
meets Chad in her new city, she will
forget about you in a heartbeat. No
matter what she says and how
strongly she vows to be faithful when
she moves away.
Lessons Learned:
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1. TRP is not a shortcut or quick fix
ideology. It's a process of self
investment.
2. If nothing else, Lift
3. Don't go back to ex's. Hard next
and move on.
4. Learn to be a man and not get
offended over shit.
5. Get your in-person game down
before going online.
6. Don't do drugs.
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7. You don't have to have a woman
in your life. Don't put up with
their shit.
8. Do not ignore red flags. Prescreen with the obvious ones.
9. Get your own life in order before
worrying about women.
10. Escalate Early. Escalate Often.
11. The more time you spend
interacting with a woman and
not escalating, the drier she gets
and the more likely she will put
you in her beta orbiter box. Do
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not talk to a woman for hours
upon end without escalating.
12. Do not cohabitate unless you are
married or plan on getting
married shortly.
13. Masculine behavior should
eliminate a woman from LTR
consideration or require you to
demote her to plate.
14. Do not ask a woman out, tell her
where you will be and what you
will be doing and invite her to
come along for the ride.
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15. LDRs aren't worth the
investment.
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20 Redpill FAQs with
1-line answers
by DarkisKnight | April 28, 2015 | Link
First if you haven't read /u/tepper2's
wonderful post stickied to the top of
askTRP do it now!
Am I a beta faggot? An
askTRP FAQ
I've been on askTRP a lot lately
helping you budding alphas out and
giving advice where I can. And I feel
like I'm answering the same old shit or
seeing other people answer the same
old shit over and over again. And I'm
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fucking tired of tippity-tap-typing the
same old shit and I'm guessing some
of you are too.
It seems like many of you haven't
bothered to read the sidebar, lurked
for maybe only a minute, or have the
memory of a goldfish. I'm not really
sure. But it's ok though.... DarkisKnight
is here for you. And if you read this
and forget all of it a minute later well, I
don't know what else to say....I guess
I'm just going to have to come over
there and beat this shit into your beta
fuckin' asses! You've been warned.
This FAQ is by no means exhaustive. I
would appreciate some of you RP
veterans input, feel free to
comment/critique as you see fit. I'll
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edit and add/subtract as necessary.
Are you ready to unplug?
FAQ
Am I a beta faggot?
Yep!
But what if she is this... [special case]?
There are no special cases. AWALT.
AWALT. AWALT. AWALT.
I'm a whiney beta bitch [uuuhhh] why
is this so hard?
If it wasn't hard everyone could do it.
Man the fuck up and quit your whining.
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My parents suck and my Dad's a beta
bitch or absent.
Congratulations, you are 99% of TRP
members. Work on TRP's basic tenets
and make some guy friends.
I'm new to TRP what should I do?
Read the sidebar. Lurk more. Start
applying TRP tenets.
(What are those?? Read the sidebar
again. What are you a goldfish?)
Is this a shit test?
Not everything is a fucking shit test
but probably...
Regardless... ignore, agree and
amplify, or amused mastery. Can't
hurt either way.
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People call me a "nice guy" what do I
do?
Read "No More Mr. Nice Guy." Apply.
Do I tell my guy friends about TRP?
Is your name Morpheus and your
friend's name Neo? Then no. Lead by
example. You can only unplug
yourself.
If my gf/plate/prospect says this...
what does it mean? what should I do?
How the fuck should we know? Watch
what they do, not what they say.
When in doubt, escalate.
My gf/ltr/wife is not fucking me or not
fucking me the way that I want.
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Increase SMV. Apply dread game.
I think my gf/ltr/wife might be cheating
or is making me suspicious.
9/10 your right. Demote or next.
Girl isn't texting me back what do I do?
Nothing.
Girl is acting suicidal/crazy/insane
what do I do?
How much do you hate yourself?
Don't stick your dick in crazy. Next!
Girl rode the CC is she a good
candidate for an LTR?
Nope. You have ONEitis.
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How do I not lose my gf/plate?
Don't be afraid to lose her. Abundance
mentality. Dread game. Also, oneitis
Should I fuck girls I work with?
Are you a pornstar? Then never.
Help me analyze my texts.
You probably texted too much. Text
for logistics only or if they text you
first and even then only 2/3 the
amount they text you. Don't try to be
cute. Never send pictures of yourself.
What should I do if...?
What do you want to do? Do that.
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Tinder, OKc, PoF....
It's a crapshoot and skews smv in
favor of women. Work on your inperson game. When you're proficient
with approaching and closing use
online dating as supplementary.
...anything that involves your "wife."
We might be able to help but those
guys over at /r/MarriedRedPill probably
have a lot more to offer.
*Ok, I think that about covers it. I'll
add more as they come up.
Stay Frosty.
Edit: Re-worded and some formatting
changes. Hope this is easier to read.
Glad you guys find this helpful.
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Should I?
by max_peenor | May 14, 2019 | Link
Yes, you should.
-Should I ask girl X out?
Yes. You should.
-Should I lift, eat healthy, read books,
meditate, dress better just to get
women?
Yes. You should.
-Should I next girl Y?
Yes.
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-Should I fuck my best friends’ wife
because she came on to me?
Yup.
-Should I shove a ping pong ball up my
ass and tell my fiancé?
Definitely do this.
Wait? The answer always yes?
Yes.
You see, you aren’t asking us if what
you are doing is right. You’ve already
pondered the situation, which is why
you bring the question to here. You
already know the correctness of it. You
are asking us to validate your decision.
And for once my answer changes—no.
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We aren’t going to do that because
you shouldn’t be seeking it.
Fundamental to the red pill is
understanding that we share
information and you use that to deal
with your problems. I’ll tell you what I
have done in the past when I
encountered the same situation. I’m
not telling you to do that. Take the
information, show some intellectual
courage, apply it to your situation and
then MAKE YOUR DECISION.
You are responsible for you. We aren’t.
We are not surrogate mommy #2,291,
which you found after littering the
earth with 2290 other surrogate
mommys. Women will use your need
for a mommy to box you up and keep
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you as a BB. No woman ever lusted for
enthusiastic sex because a guy
needed a boob to cry on because he
had a bad day.
Ok, but let’s say you really did
mean yes. Don’t tell me what to
do—share some information, Max
Ok.
-Should I ask girl X out?
Will you die if you do it? No? I don’t
stop myself from doing things because
it might not work out. I stop if there
are consequences or the risk of
consequences are higher than the
potential reward. The risk and
consequences of asking a girl out is
typically VERY, VERY low. However
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that is not to say they are always
none. Observe the situation and make
a decision based on the observed
situation and not because you are
afraid she might say no.
Observe. Analyze. Act. Gee. Where
have I heard this before?
-Should I lift, eat healthy, read books,
meditate, dress better just to get
women?
I do it because it makes a better me
for me. You are the prize. You are not
doing these things to win the
affections of m’lady. That could be a
very pleasant side effect though.
-Should I next girl Y?
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In my experience, if you are asking the
question, you are already done.
Anything you do after that is just
attempting to rescue a bad situation.
Finding a new bird is always easier
than fixing the current one. Hmm..
Where have I heard that?
Hint > > >
Should I fuck my best friends’ wife
because she came on to me?
I typically wouldn’t because of the last
answer I gave. It is almost always
more work than just finding someone
else new with less drama.
And what about the ping pong ball?
I already answered that.
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Why now?
Because these are real questions I see
on asktrp all the time. Yes, even the
ping pong ball one came from there,
though thankfully that fellow seemed
to have found his answers and moved
on to greener (browner?) pastures. We
cannot hand you answers for you to
succeed. You have to internalize the
data. You gave to practice the dance.
You have to succeed and fail. And with
this I conclude essay #192 on how
there is no quick fix to your celibacy….
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RED PILL
PROBLEM
SOLVER
Getting over a breakup
by Woujo | May 3, 2016 | Link
Getting dumped is one of the most
devastating things that can happen to
a person. Sometimes people never
recover and their life is ruined. Other
times, they spiral into a pit of
depression, making bad choices and
oftentimes ending up with somebody
they don’t even like just to fill that
hole. I have created this guide to help
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you navigate any break up. I divide
this guide into parts: your mental
attitudes towards relationships and the
actual actions you need to take to get
over a break-up.
Mental Shit
The goal of the “mental shit” is to
mentally convince yourself its over.
The worst part of the break ups isn’t
really the sadness of losing somebody,
but the constantly unfulfilled hope of
getting them back. You need to
convince yourself that it is over – once
you do that, getting your ex gets a lot
easier. Sometimes it will be hard
because the other person will want
you around as a “plaything” to boost
their self-esteem but will continue to
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treat you like shit. Fuck that. If you still
have feelings for somebody, and they
won’t commit to you or treat you like
shit, you need to stay away from them
because it will only make you more
miserable. Here are some tips:
Read Fuck Yes or No First of all, read
Mark Manson’s blog post “Fuck Yes or
No,” found here:
http://markmanson.net/fuck-yes. I am
not going to repeat the entire post, but
it basically says that you should not
waste your time with somebody unless
you are “fuck yes” about them, and
more importantly, they are “fuck yes”
about you. The fact is, a lot of people
will “kind of” like you, but it’s not
worth your time and your emotions to
invest in somebody who won’t give
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you 100% of them. It doesn’t matter
how you feel about somebody, if they
are not “fuck yes” about you, move
on. If you feel like they are playing
games, move on. If they do something
disrespectful or that shows they don’t
really care about you, move on.
Realize that the terrible feeling you
get after being dumped is depression
Human beings are tribal animals that
evolved to avoid rejection. When you
get rejected, your body reacts as if the
tribe rejected you and you are now in
the woods alone. That is why you lose
your appetite and desire to sleep, and
also why you think you will be alone
forever. So just know that those
“feelings” you have are biological
tricks that do not necessarily match
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reality. You may feel like you “need”
the person but that is really just
depression
Realize that your desire to have them
‘back’ comes from your ego Your ego
is the strongest emotion you have and
it absolutely cannot take no for an
answer. As I said earlier, humans are
tribal animals and our biggest fear is
getting kicked out of the tribe. For that
reason, our ego is constantly striving
to gain a higher position of esteem in
the tribe so that it does not get
rejected. And nothing shatters the ego
that getting rejected from somebody
we are intimately and romantically
involved with.
To fix both your depression and the
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problem with your ego, you must
realize that your value as a human
being has nothing to do with whether
a girl or boy likes you. You can date
the most awesome person in the
world, and then get dumped by that
person, but who “you” are will remain
the same the whole time. You don’t
become better by dating somebody
out of your league and you definitely
don’t become worse by getting
dumped. Our society teaches us that
relationships are the most important
thing in our lives and our happiness
and identities depend on them. That’s
wrong. A relationship is a fun thing to
add to an already awesome life, but if
you base your entire happiness and
identity on another person, you’re
deluding yourself AND the other
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person. If you’re feeling really terrible
about a break up, it’s probably
because you never developed your
own identity.
Contrary to your ape-emotions, you
are not going to get kicked out of the
tribe or be alone forever if you get
dumped. You don’t “need” any
particular person to live a happy life.
Think about yourself when you came
out of your mom’s vagina. Did you
“need” the person you are pining over
then? Then why do you need them
now? You aren’t “designed” to need
any particular person and the idea of
soulmates is bullshit. You just got
addicted to them like they were a
drug. So now you need to just kick that
habit.
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Actions
Here are some actions that you can
take to get over break-ups:
Mourn for like a week Give yourself a
week to feel sad. Think about it all you
want, let yourself be depressed, etc...
Get it all out because its never a good
idea to hold in grief. But after a week,
you have to start taking affirmative
steps to get over your ex. You can’t
mourn forever.
Make a list of the shitty things they did
to you Human beings have a weird
quirk where they tend to forget the
bad stuff that happens in the past but
remember the good stuff. That’s why
people are always talking about how
everything was better “back when.”
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You need to write down the shitty
things they did to you so that you can
constantly remind yourself why you
are not with them anymore.
Purify yourself in the waters of Lake
Minnetonka I’m kind of joking about
this, but some type of “moving on”
ceremony will definitely help. David
Brooks wrote an interesting article in
the New York Times about how people
who saw their lives as “chapters” were
happier than people who saw their
lives as one long, continuous thing. For
that reason, you should start a new
chapter in your life by picking a time
as your “move on” point and maybe
even undergoing some type of
ceremony from which point your life
will be different. Clean your house, get
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rid of all reminders of your ex, buy
some new clothes, and maybe go to
the park and feed some ducks or
something. Just don’t turn back.
Go no-contact for 60 days By “no
contact” I mean absolutely no contact
whatsoever. No calls, no texting, no
social media, NOTHING. In fact, delete
and block them from all of your social
media and stop going to places they
go. If you can’t avoid going where they
go (for example, you have a class with
them), ignore them. This is absolutely
imperative. You will not be able to get
over a break up if you keep talking to
them.
Get a break-up buddy Find a friend,
preferably somebody that you trust
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and isn’t going to try to have sex with
you, that you can talk to about your
feelings and emotions. A good friend
will have a rational, objective view
about the situation and won’t be in the
grips of those biological deathemotions that you yourself are in.
Whenever you are feeling sad or like
you want to call your ex, call your
break-up buddy and let them know
how you feel. Ask for their advice and
take it seriously. If you think your
friend is “wrong” get a second opinion,
but realize that your friends are going
to have a more objective view than
you.
Do anti-depression things Exercise.
Get out of the house. Meditate. Eat
better. See a therapist if you can
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afford it. Go outside into the sun.
Clean your house (there is a strong
correlation between a dirty house and
depression). Be around happy, positive
people. Keep up with your personal
hygiene. Basically you need to realize
that you’re in the grips of depression
and you need to fight it like you’re
fighting depression.
Become a different person Like I said
earlier, nothing hurts a human being
like a blow to your ego. The best way
to get over somebody is to become a
different person. Pick up a new good
habit. Start a new hobby. Redecorate
or at least reorganize your apartment.
Buy some new clothes. I would prefer
that you do all of these things, but any
one of these would help. Once you
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change yourself enough, your ego
can’t be sad about getting dumped
anymore because you are no longer
that person.
Don’t Do not do the following things:
stalk them on social media (you should
have gone no contact). Don’t try to
make yourself feel better with drugs
and alcohol. Don’t engage in selfdestructive behaviors. Don’t jump into
another relationship just to “fill that
hole.” Don’t let people take advantage
of you and your sadness.
And most importantly, DON’T GO BACK
TO THEM. Usually if somebody dumps
you, that’s because they are not “fuck
yes” about you. Go find somebody
who is.
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From my website
http://www.woujo.com
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Got a stranger
pregnant: a guide
by ScoundrelHero | December 7, 2015
| Link
Summary: There is not a lot of advice
out there if you get a stranger
pregnant other than, "Get ready to get
fucked for 18 years with child
support." I slipped up once and had
sex with a girl I had met one time
previous. 13 days later she called me
and told me she was pregnant. This is
a simple story of what I did next.
What's the next best thing you can do?
(Italics are chapters from 48 Laws of
Power). The laws in your state vary; so
what happens in Indiana may not work
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in your state.
The First Conversation My
daughter's mom called me early in the
morning to tell me she was pregnant.
She asked me what she should do.
This question is testing you in a lot of
different ways. Are you going to freak
out? Are you going to try to convince
her to get an abortion? The correct
answer is to say, in a calm and
confident manner, for her to start
taking prenatal vitamins. If you want
an abortion you have weeks to talk
about it. This is an easy question to
knock out of the park. If she decides to
have a child she can NEVER use
against you that you wanted an
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abortion. When shit goes downhill she
will throw you under the bus to
everyone she knows. Give her as little
ammunition as possible. Reason: You
will need to maintain frame in a way
that you've never had to for a length
of time that seems impossible. When
you know what she's saying is not true
it makes it easier to suffer the slings
and arrows. In my case I could tell
immediately that abortion was not a
live option and that I would be left in
the dark for the next 9 months if I
brought it up. But I should add that I
would never abort a child as a form of
birth control
Week 1 - Start saving 20% of your
income for a safe new car. Well, that's
what I told by daughter's mom. I told
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everyone that actually. It would have
been great, but I knew then that it was
unlikely. Really what I was doing is
saving 20% of my income to see what
child support was going to be like AND
for attorney fee's. I spent every dime
so far. Start saving immediately. Hope
for the best, plan for the worst.
On Child Support - That money is
simply no longer yours. Do not argue
about it or whine or try to get out of it.
She might even tell you she doesn't
want it. Do not take the bait. Force her
hand. Require her to take the money.
There are other methods to avoid
paying your full legal obligation. But
you MUST play the perfect courtier
from the very beginning. Your end goal
is to have a congruent story. If you
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want to argue philosophically about
how it's immoral or whatever post on
this site. In America It's like arguing
with gravity. It makes you look like a
fucking moron. My strategy was to just
immediately give her the ground. No
need for her to fight it. Why? Assume
Formlessness. In the future she will try
to hurt you. She will have learned a lot
about what hurts you. You will never
be hurt the way a pregnant woman
can hurt you. She has so much power
over you (due to the laws in this
country) that you will break. A year
later she is still using what she knows
hurts me to try to hurt me now.
Fortunately I Controlled the Options.
Week 2 Tell her that you're getting a
paternity test through the courts. Not
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a walgreen's kit. She will
understandably be outraged at the
implication. Tell her early before you
guys get to know each other and just
say casually that you two are
strangers. Ask her if she trust you
100% already. Tell her it's a legal
requirement for setting up child
support (half true). When I did this, it
really wasn't that big of a deal.
Week 3-5ish Plan all the way to the
end and Know who you are dealing
with Pregnancy amplifies whatever is
wrong with a girl. Obviously she is not
a princess if she hooked up with a
stranger. It should put a huge
spotlights on her specific brand of
crazy. Between September and
October I knew her fairly well. I knew
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she wanted to be a "heroic single
mom." I knew she had an avoidant
attachment style. She was an insane
control freak. She gave me faux
options to manipulate me into thinking
I had a choice in the matter. She told
me before we knew the gender that
my child would not have my last name
and that there was nothing I could do
about it. The anguish and pain that
caused me could not be hidden. I told
her that we were not in agreement on
this issue but she told me that I would
have to deal with it and tough shit. My
brain said she was right, there was
nothing I could do because I was
powerless. Use the Surrender Tactic:
Transform Weakness into Power and
than later Play a Sucker to Catch a
Sucker – Seem Dumber than your
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Mark In any dispute where you have
no power you shouldn't argue with
her, just state that you are not in
agreement on this issue and drop it.
You will pay an attorney to argue with
her in the future.
6 months of hell I went to every
doctor's appointment she invited me
to. I did everything she wanted
including signing a lease with her. It
was her idea, but I saw how I could use
it to my advantage. I think at this point
she was trying to get me to say no to
something so she could go tell
everyone want a terrible dude I was.
But my rationale was this: Best case
scenario when she moves out after a
year I could argue that child lives at
that house and is off breast milk,
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emergency placement prior to court is
usually the residence that the child
knows best. Worst case scenario - I
had signed a lease with a girl I wasn't
even dating, that's how invested in my
child's life I was. Make sure you can
afford to pay for the entire rent
yourself before signing the lease.
MAKE SURE SHE SIGNS THE LEASE. My
daughter's mom tried to get out of
signing it. Nope, her name is on that
shit. Which will prevent her from
claiming you raped her.... but who
would do that.
Last three months- Mom moved out
due to me being a manipulative,
uncaring, slob (her words). We had
one fight while living together and
nothing she said was true. She was
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just looking for a reason to move out.
She refused to talk to me for the last
three months of the pregnancy. I really
think her issue is that she knew she
wasn't controlling me. We didn't talk
for three months.
In those three months I focused on
Concentrating my Forces. I had told
my daughter's mom that my parents
were moving here to help us out. This
has helped me so much in my fight to
get visitation so far. My sister lives in
town, my brother lives in town, and
now both my parents were available at
all times to baby sit. I also went lawyer
shopping over the three month period.
www.avvo.com I talked to five
different lawyers.
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I make this sound easy: I haven't
mentioned about how my health
declined due to stress. It was the worst
when I signed the lease with her. Huge
gamble unknown whether it was
foolish or if it would pay off. My vision
started changing every single day (Eye
doctor tried saying I had type II
diabetes), Bald spots appeared in my
beard, blood pressure went into type II
hypertension. I spent more on doctor
bills in six months than my entire adult
life. Hang in there man. Find a support
group, coworkers, family members.
Lean on people but remember that
they want to see a success story.
Females at work always love to hear
about a father fighting to stay in their
childrens' lives.
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You have no rights Before the
paternity test you have no rights.
Zero. You must continue to use the
surrender tactic. You are literally a
random stranger to that kid. Do not
sign a voluntary acknowledgment of
paternity. If you have a good lawyer
he delivered the court order BEFORE
your child was born to do a paternity
test. I was the father by the way.
Mom Fights Back Oh man she will
fight as if her life depends on it. Her
maternal instinct to protect that child
from people she doesn't trust/like is
going to make her behave like a crazy
person. She tried to fight the paternity
test. She didn't let me see my
daughter for three weeks over father's
day and then acted like it was my own
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fault. Bite your tounge. You still have a
ways to go. Do NOT fight with the
mom. Ever. You arguing with Mom is a
waste of breath. You pay an attorney
to fight her. Win through your Actions,
Never through Argument No matter
what she did to me I didn't let it phase
me. I made sure the courts knew what
she did so that we could have a
congruent case of her denying me
visitations. The day I was declared the
father through the paternity test Mom
filed serious endangerment charges
against me. At first she was alleging
that I raped her. But that lease she
signed with me destroyed that option.
My attorney BCCed me on emails so I
basically read his response as, "are
you joking? This is a joke. She signed a
lease with him." So she went with a
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whole shit ton of mud instead. None of
it true. The courts MUST investigate so
don't take it personally ($$$ $$
because of the Children $$$$). Play
the perfect courtier. Remember you
don't care about money, only about
bonding with your child. My Attorney
was 1500, the supervised visits cost
me 1200$, the guardiam ad litem cost
me 1400$. I never brought up that she
filed this, never yelled at her for it. Just
imagine you're playing chess. She
made a move, it's your job to
anticipate it and counter it. It's easy to
counter.
Guardiam Ad Litem She is the only
person you care to win over. Play the
perfect courtier. Play the perfect
courtier. Play the perfect courtier. The
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GAL relies on the supervisor that is
watching you with your daughter.
Treat the supervisor like an old friend.
Listen to their stories of other "crazy"
parents. Mom won't like the supervisor
because she's not in control, someone
else is in control. To the GAL,
compliment Mom on her mothering
abilities. Never trash talk her, don't
ever say anything emotionally charged
about her. Say you're only complaint is
that she won't let you or your family
see your daughter. Say you just want
to be equals as parents. I remember
distinctly saying, "four hours a week is
just not enough, it's just not enough"
to which she echo'd me. Mine had a
questionnaire for me to fill out and I
spent 8 hours writing and rewriting it
until it was the perfect. I had painted a
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picture, that was true, whereby Mom
has mud on her by the end and yet
you never saw me throw anything and
my hands remained clean.
By the next court date I had the
Guadian Ad Litem telling me she was
going to try to get me 50/50 joint
custody. It helped me out a lot that I
actually liked both the supervisor
handling my case and the GAL. I knew
immediately they would be able to see
through Mom's ridiculous behavior if I
just continued to maintain frame and
play the perfect courtier. I could tell
they were both good people. Your
mileage may vary and you will get GAL
who are in it for the money. My
attorney went out of his way to get
this GAL. I didn't do this at the time
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but absolutely research reviews online
for the GAL. The GAL is actually more
important than the attorney you get.
Tell your attorney that you want a GAL
who has a reputation for acting in the
child's best interest. The supervisor
handling my case also if you talk to
her will gossip about the reputations of
all the attorneys involved in your case.
False Allegations First the serious
endangerment charges, next Mom will
record every way that you're not doing
a good job as a parent (in her mind).
Yes it annoys you to have to answer to
everything you do with your time but
it's annoying the Guardian ad litem
too. My favorite thing to say to the
GAL is this, "She has never brought it
up to me, if I'm doing something
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wrong I want to know. Why wouldn't
she tell me?" Play the perfect courtier.
When I won my first major battle I got
the best false allegation of the year.
Mom came over and tried to start a
fight with me. She had nothing to go
on and I have now never argued with
her for 15 months. Why would I start
now? Long story short she went postal
while I remained calm. She started
hitting my door, etc. She left and
called the police. Police showed up to
ask me some questions. The moment
you prepare for finally happens (you
are prepared for the police getting
called on you when you start winning
in court right?). I simply tell him I don't
answer questions without an attorney.
Bye bye sir. That was now 7 days ago
and I've heard nothing from the police.
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This is where maintaining frame
comes into play. It's so important,
remember you're doing it for your
child.
Assume Formlessness/Control the
Options Mom wants to hurt me. But
she never correctly figured out how.
She thought the only option for hurting
me was to deny me visitations but
that's because I controlled her options.
I put her in a position where her
choices were to not attack me and let
me visit my daughter and thus I win,
or to attack me and (when I'm
exonerated) it makes her look bad and
thus I win. She had a lot of options to
waste my money and give me tons of
time with my daughter (when I was
paying someone to supervise me).
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This would have made her look good
and done a great deal of damage to
me. She never did it because she
didn't realize it would hurt me. From
the beginning I acted like money was
not a big deal and would constantly
just spend it in front of her like I had
an endless supply of it. I would tell
stories that carried the message that
IDGAF about money.
Present day By this point no one in
court believes her anymore. I went
into court thinking that she was going
to get to file an order of protection but
I think that even her own attorney
must have advised against it. I had my
first overnight with my daughter. This
week. I'm confident that she tarnished
her reputation and they see that she's
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just hyper controlling and will fabricate
things about me to maintain that
control. She doesn't know how to hurt
me or control me (well controlling me
would be easy, she just could try being
nice to me). The best part is that soon
I will have 50/50 custody which
reduces my child support obligation
(that thing I supposedly don't care
about). My attorney says that he has
gotten surname changed and that
there is a good likelihood (depending
on the judge) that this also will come
about.
Guys you can win in court. It's hard
and unfair and we're not used to being
discriminated against so obnoxiously.
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We're not used to being guilty until
proven innocent. I constantly let Mom
think she's smarter than me. I play
dumb constantly with her. I never
engage her. I pretend like I don't know
what's going on and that my attorney
doesn't communicate with me very
well. I pretend like it's no big deal that
she says crazy stuff about me. I never
ever ever ever gloat or rub it in or try
to hurt her back. She's a child, you're
an adult. If she knows what's going on
in your brain the fight will never end.
Moves and countermoves guys. It can
be done. It will affect your health. I
jumped out of an airplane and was so
depressed I felt absolutely nothing.
There were days I woke up where I did
not think I could do it; I didn't think I
had the stamina for this type of
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warfare. The toxicity from Mom was
that intense. The odds seemed to be
stacked against me to too great of a
degree. You can do it if you must.
Edit: By the way, I forgot to mention
this in the beginning but I really
always "hoped for the best, plan for
the worst" That was my strategy. If
you read through all of this you'll
really see that it's obvious. I genuinely
hoped that Mom would figure out that
I have my family in my best interest
and that she could trust me. Every
step of the way I gave her the option
of doing the right thing with no
repercussion. She just never took that
option; I don't harp on it as it's
probably never going to be relevant.
But as you try to win the hearts and
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minds of others make sure that you
emphasize how you hope for the best
and what you're doing (saving for a
safe car, signing a lease with a
stranger to raise your child together,
going to all doctors appointments,
etc.)
2nd Edit: I should also mention this
guide pertains to a non-substance
abusing mother. This is about getting
your rights from a mom with no real
issues. I am so fortunate and happy
that I don't have to worry about any
actual harm going to my daughter.
Like if you remind yourself how much
worse things could be, it makes it
easier to remain stoic in the face of
America's court system.
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3rd Edit: Some typos's etc. I have a
paternity test guys. It's in the story.
Yes, I'm intelligent. I am the type of
guy that would never make a mistake.
I was drunk and I honestly just fucked
up. If it happened to me, it'll probably
happen to other guys out there so I
wrote this guide. If you don't want to
be a part of your child's life than you
don't really need a guide. Personally I
couldn't leave my daughter to be
raised without a father knowing
everything I know about TRP.
No. Thank You TRP A lot of you guys
are thanking me for writing this. I'd
like to say instead thanks to all of you.
The only, ONLY, reason I was prepared
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for all the false allegations, the
toxicity, the back stabbery, the
nonsense, the insanity, and the court
system was you all and this
community. Very few guys naturally
would ever think the way I was forced
to think. I was never flatfooted on
ANYTHING she did because I was able
to anticipate it months in advance
(false rape allegations, domestic
disputes with the police, etc) and
thanks to you guys I knew how
important maintaining frame was
throughout all of this. So while many
of you don't agree with everything I
did or get focused on the one time in
my life I had unprotected sex (with a
stranger), I don't mind the criticism
because I never said that this guide
was the ONE way to do it. There is
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probably a better strategy. I did waste
a lot of energy on things that were
absolute wastes of time. I'll try to write
updates in the future to talk about
what happens with Mom through the
years.
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Jealousy and games:
Don't mate guard!
by [deleted] | February 11, 2016 | Link
TLDR Betas mateguard, Alphas
disregard
There is a sad fucker who posted to
askMRP yesterday. The guy snooped
his wife's Facebook and saw some
musclehead from the gym looking to
"workout" with his wife. He confronted
the guy and it blew up in his face.
I don't want to dwell on the OP and
how he is crying himself to sleep with
her wedding ring stashed in his
mommy's safe. I'm not insensitive to
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the plight of Uberbetas (like yours
truly several years ago), I just feel
inspired by the sad tale to explain the
proper way to mateguard.
YOU DON'T DO IT
Again:
Don't Mate guard
We talk alot at TRP about abundance
and how women are innately attracted
to a sturdy, non-needy frame. There is
nothing that exemplifies needy like
jealousy.
When you show your woman jealousy,
you are covertly communicating that
you are not the best she can do. It's
pouring gasoline on the fires of
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hypergamy. You WILL be cheated on
or lose that bitch.
So....CAD...how did you deal with a
recent situation where Mrs CAD had
tingles for her old boss Geoff?
I bit my lip and fought off the internal
pain of "why does she want to go for
drinks with hiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmm". I
teased her mercilessly about her
"fallback guy" and how cute it was that
she had a puppylove crush. Said he
was a super sweet guy and she should
explore her opportunities. She fucking
hated the overt talk about her "group
outing" that I correctly relabeled a
"drinks date with plausible deniability."
And she really hated my smug attitude
about it.
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She wanted me to quietly accept it
(Fail!...Do not pass go.) Or create
some delicious drama and out myself
as a weak envious faggot.
Either way is express train to
Cucksville.
No, instead... You dispassionately set
some rules and enforce them.
Want to see your ex boyfriends? That's
cool, I'll start seeing other people too.
Wanna workout with StealYourBitch
Jones from the gym? I'll see that and
raise by having three hour lunch with
Jodi from marketing. The one you
know wants my D..yup...her.
Who cares if she pouts and huffs and
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puffs that you are a "controlling
asshole"?
.
If she thinks she can walk all over
you...this relationship is doomed
anyway.
Summary: She ain't yours, it's just
your turn so don't mateguard and it
will probably work out fine.
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All-in-one Legal Guide:
False rape/DV,
Divorce, Child support
etc
by dr_warlock | June 11, 2015 | Link
1) How To Get Help [Mandatory]:
NEVER Talk to the Police, Consult
a Lawyer: here (video from Law
Professor; length = 48min
39secs)
Cops are not there to help
you, they're there to
enforce the law and can lie
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to do so.
"Whatever you say can and
will be used against never
for you"
2) How To Protect Your Phone:
Cops Can Search Your Phone
Without Warrant Upon Arrest:
here (video; length = 7min
33sec)
Overcriminalization (video;
length = 7min 11sec )
Evidence of any 300K+
Illegal Acts you don't know
exist can be found on your
phone can be used against
you in a court of law
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despite having nothing to
do with the reason you
were arrested in the first
place.
3) Audio Surveillance Laws: State
By State
Just in case you want to record
your female encounters for
evidence
Illegal Surveillance Charge is
better than False Rape and/or
Domestic Violence Charge +
Tarnished Reputation
4) Street Harassment: Illegal in Peru
This is the 'harassment' they're
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referring to: here (video; length
= 1min 57sec)
5) Assault [Mandatory]: Violence
Against Women Act
Automatically Arrest
'Predominant Aggressor' no
matter who hit first, Hint: Always
the male
National Institute of Health Study
[PDF]
Men who call the police
concerning domestic
violence are more likely to
be arrested themselves
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(See: 'Predominant
Aggressor' definition)
What Do You Do When A Woman
Hits You? (US Marine's Personal
Story)
Women are not punished for
false-abuse accusations
6) Rape:
Warlock's Law [Not Satire
Unfortunately]
Burden of Proof Shifted to the
Accused
13 Reasons Women Make FalseRape Accusations
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How To Avoid False Rape
Charges (podcast by lawyer;
length = 15min 49sec)
Patrice O'neil Does Two Months
For False Rape Accusation
(podcast)
Women are not punished for
false-rape accusations
College Only:
Not Allowed Legal
Consultation
Preponderance of the
Evidence, NOT
Beyond a Reasonable
Doubt
Withholding sex is
'Sexual Violence' at
University of Michigan
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Regions With
Affirmative Consent
(5, not including
single schools) :
Demonstration
of Affirmative
Consent (video;
length = 1min
52 sec )
Your word
vs. her
word,
unless you
have
electronic
evidence
California Has
Adopted "Yes
Means Yes"
(News Report)
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Hawaii Has
Adopted "Yes
Means Yes"
(ROK Article)
[Archived]
New York Has
Adopted "Yes
Means Yes"
(ROK Article)
[Archived]
"Yes Means Yes"
Comes To
London (ROK
Article)
[Archived]
Canada Adopts
"Yes Means Yes"
+ New Sex-ed
Curriculum (ROK
Article)
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[Archived]
7) Sex Offender Listing (Meagan's
Law):
Definition: a law requiring
authorities to notify communities
of the whereabouts of convicted
sex offenders (Source)
Beware of Lawyer Tricks
Regarding Meagan's Law (TRP
Criminal Defense Attorney)
Beware of ANY Acts Around
Children, or This Could Be You
(Guy takes selfie publicly then
was falsely accused of being a
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pedophile on Facebook. Went
viral.)
Girls 18+ only even if the legal
age of consent is 16+ to be safe.
There are too many fish in the
sea to fuck around with laws that
could potentially peg you as a
sex offender.
Women are not punished for
false-pedophile accusations
8) Marriage & Children:
Divorce, Assets, Alimony, and
Child Support Laws
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[Mandatory]
Outsiders Can Invest in Your
Divorce Case, or hers
Debtor's Prison is an Essential
Tool for Our New Public Policy
[Child Support]
Beware External Ejaculation,
Woman Can Spermjack and Make
You Pay Child Support
Beware Artificial Insemination,
Can be held liable for child
support
Paternity Testing 'Loop Hole'
UK Has 'Financial Abuse'
Definition of 'Financial
Abuse' [Archived]
State Farm Commercial,
"Purple Purse" [Financial
Abuse]
Divorce Corp (2014)
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[Mandatory]: here, or here
(documentary; length = 1hr
33min)
All about the corrupt family
courts (Dr. Drew Narrates)
Inside America's Lucrative
Divorce Industry: here
(documentary; length = 22min
52sec )
VICE interview with wealthy
divorce attorney
Erasing Dad : here
(documentary; length = 1hr
18min)
Argentina courts purposely
take away children from
their fathers
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Notice: If you have any new
information to add or if any of the
above is wrong, let me know.
edits: 1) Two bullets, 3) "is better
than" link, 6) Patrice O'neil False Rape
Accusation, 7) "Even if the legal age of
consent is 16+" link,
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Identify and avoid BPD
women Pt.1
by TheGarbageCollector | October 12,
2016 | Link
THE GARBAGE
COLLECTOR'S
QUALITATIVE GUIDE TO
THE FOUR BORDERLINE
ARCHETYPES
Summary: The purpose of this
guide to enable the men of TRP to
visually identify women with
Borderline Personality Disorder.
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Edited for clarity and ease of reading.
Introduction
Women with Borderline
Personality Disorder are
dangerous, especially
towards their sexual
partner(s).
They use a predatory version of the
female sexual strategy, whereby they
will manipulate all of your masculine
instincts, for the purposes of
extracting your sperm, robbing you of
your resources, and eventually
destroying everything that you are as
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a man. There are many horror stories
about men being cheated out of their
lives here on TRP. This is a guide for
anyone who enjoys having the
capacity to value themselves, or
otherwise wishes to regain the ability.
This is the first of what will be a
multi-part series on how to
quickly identify the Borderline
Woman.
Content
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This first post will be a lesson
on how to identify the "Four
Archetypes" of the Borderline
Woman.
These are: (a) The Queen, (b) The
Hermit, (c) The Waif, and (d) The
Witch.
Each archetype reflects a unique
resource-stealing strategy, as well
as an insight into the delusion of the
BPD mind. Due to her enormous
exposure and frequent displays of
BPD-like behavior, the subject of this
post will be Taylor Swift.
After all... http://imgur.com/bxT8KFI
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Included with this post are
quotations from the book Walking
on Eggshells: Taking Your Life
Back when Someone You Care
about has Borderline Personality
Disorder.
These quotations will guide you when
you are assessing how the BPD
Woman is interacting with the people
around her. They will also serve as a
warning for what is to come should
you choose to stay in proximity with
one of these women.
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THE GUIDE TO
IDENTIFYING TO THE FOUR
BORDERLINE ARCHETYPES
Italics are from “Stop Walking on
Eggshells” by Randi Kreger and Paul
Mason.
The Queen
This is your classic
Narcissistic Borderline.
The Queen is the archetype that thinks
that she's entitled to your worship.
She is the most entitled manifestation,
and will be the one caustically
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shredding apart other people when
she thinks they're within earshot to
hear half of it. She plays dumb if you
confront her, but will later destroy
your reputation in retaliation. You
peasant.
Classic Presentation
http://imgur.com/gallery/mbBJoz0
http://imgur.com/gallery/I7997W9
http://imgur.com/gallery/ESCHs
http://imgur.com/gallery/Mgjh2AU
http://imgur.com/gallery/C1AhP
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Typical Non-BP Thoughts about
the Queen’s Behavior:
"I can’t meet this person’s needs;
my best isn’t enough."
"Don’t I ever get to have any
needs? (Better not say that, or
the Queen will leave me.)"
"Why is everything always about
her?"
"If people only knew what an act
the Queen puts on, they’d sure
be shocked."
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When The Queen is pleased:
http://imgur.com/gallery/wWElUJI
http://imgur.com/gallery/Ra9bt63
When The Queen is offended:
http://imgur.com/gallery/UadIxtt
When The Queen is “sad”:
http://imgur.com/B9XX9LU (Note her
brief smile – she is getting the
“correct” response)
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Typical Emotions Stemming from
the Non-BP’s Thoughts:
Family members who the Queen
shames, ignores, or gives
superficial attention to learn that
their worth depends on external
things (cars, important titles).
Non-BP’s self-esteem also
suffers.
Over time, Non-BPs feel used,
manipulated, and angry at the BP
and at themselves for
catipulating so much they no
longer recognize themselves.
ARCHETYPE SUMMARY: This bitch
asks you to kiss her feet so she can
kick you in the mouth. You are
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expected to be grateful for both.
The Hermit
The Hermit never runs out of
things to be afraid of.
The Hermit is the one who will
pathologically fail to deliver on her
promises. She appears to be talented,
maybe even sophisticated. She will
trick you into believing that she "just
needs help figuring a couple of things
out". She will convince you that you
are just the man for the job.
Unfortunately for you, there's always
another "obstacle" in front of this
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woman, preventing her from
contributing to the partnership.
She'll blame this, that, and the other...
and eventually she will blame you.
Once you've begun to internalize all of
the fear she's forcing on you, she will
think that you're a pussy and
immediately lose all respect for you.
Classic Presentation
http://i.imgur.com/f5Wg9r2
http://i.imgur.com/jhyN4nP
http://i.imgur.com/wsqkhI5
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Typical Non-BP Thoughts about
the Hermit’s Behavior:
“Like the BP says, the world is
unsafe and I should not risk
trusting people.”
“I need to protect the BP from
the terror of the outside world.”
“I am a faithful, loyal person and
would never leave the BP to fend
for herself.”
When the Hermit is “sad”:
http://imgur.com/gallery/no6xI6g
http://imgur.com/gallery/bnhfWr8
http://i.imgur.com/N26Ws2Z (This is
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the expression of the BPD hamster
wheel. If this gaze is directed at you,
that means that you and your
possessions are in serious danger.)
When The Hermit has written
you off:
http://i.imgur.com/w2GK0qL
http://i.imgur.com/bXMrCQZ
http://i.imgur.com/Tphad7r
When The Hermit is giving
you shit:
http://i.imgur.com/Zolixwh
http://i.imgur.com/hh9Nk98
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http://i.imgur.com/0B2Vk88
Typical Emotions Stemming from
the Non-BP’s Thoughts:
“I feel trapped and isolated by
the Hermit’s fear.”
“I have trouble trusting and
making mistakes because I know
the BP will say ‘I told you so.'”
ARCHETYPE SUMMARY: This bitch
asks you to push her car up the hill so
that she doesn't have to turn on the
engine, then turns around and charges
you for the gas.
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The Waif
Take a moment to skip ahead
and look at the pictures under
this subheading.
Notice the extreme difference in
appearance between the subject as
she presented between this and The
Queen and Hermit states. This is the
social chameleon at work. They are so
different that one might even suspect
that these are not the same person.
That would be an accurate guess,
since the Borderline Woman isn't truly
any person at all.
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The Waif is considered by
some to be the most
destructive of the archetypes.
No other archetype preys on the male
protective instinct more viciously than
The Waif. She's just so cute and
helpless and hopeless and...
...she knows exactly what she's doing.
She is a covert operator. You will do
everything in your power to protect
her from the world, and she will set it
up so that you always fail her. She will
likely succeed in convincing you that
every single problem, from start to
finish, was entirely your fault.
All she ever did was love you, after all.
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Classic Presentation
http://imgur.com/gallery/d7OSKh0
http://imgur.com/qvmcnpa
http://imgur.com/gallery/uWPMxgg
Typical Non-BP Thoughts about
the Waif’s Behavior:
“She desperately needs help, so I
must save her, no matter what.”
“The greater the sacrifice, the
more I show I love her.”
“My needs are not as important
as hers.”
“If I learn enough about BPD, I
can heal her.”
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When The Waif has a savior:
http://imgur.com/iq2ON8L
http://imgur.com/qFsbXsM
When The Waif needs a
savior:
http://imgur.com/gallery/3s16dQZ
Typical Emotions Stemming from
the Non-BP’s Thoughts:
“I like being needed, but
sometimes I feel overwhelmed
by the BP’s neediness.”
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“I get confused and frustrated
when she rejects my help.”
“Her behavior isn’t all that
abnormal. I can manage it and so
can the kids.”
“I feel abused, and my selfesteem wasn’t all that high to
begin with.”
ARCHETYPE SUMMARY: This bitch
will float into your life and soothe your
weary soul, only to psychologically
castrate you. Afterwards, she'll claim
that she's tried everything to make it
work, but now she's ready to fall in
love with A REAL MAN who will treat
her right.
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The Witch
The Witch is going to be the
one that murders you.
Maybe literally, maybe only somewhat
literally. The witch is a sadist, and
pretty much only exists in two states:
destroying you, and temporarily
resisting the urge to destroy you. She
will wreck everything you hold dear to
"prove" a point, and desecrate all
things sacred for the sheer thrill of
ruining the things that matter to you.
She is the ultimate at having fun at
another's expense. Never reveal your
weaknesses to this woman, and do
allow yourself to be alone with her.
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She is so visibly insane that this part
of the guide is hardly even necessary.
Classic Presentation
http://i.imgur.com/2T6UYK2
http://i.imgur.com/HgiUxu8
http://imgur.com/gallery/LJuVl
Typical Non-BP Thoughts about
the Witch’s Behavior:
“I feel hurt, betrayed, and
abused, and I am too scared or
young to do anything about it.”
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“I will comply with what she
wants. Resistance is futile. I will
be assimilated.”
When The Witch is trying to
stay contained:
http://imgur.com/gallery/a6dyQC9
http://imgur.com/eoKGsT7
Typical Emotions Stemming from
the Non-BP’s Thoughts:
Fear.
Denial (on the part of those who
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could protect the victims).
ARCHETYPE SUMMARY: This bitch is
torn on whether or not to kill you,
because it would count as a personal
failure on her part if murdering the shit
out of you somehow caused you to
end up "going to a better place."
Conclusion
Borderline Women are human
parasites who will steal your
resources if you give them an
inch.
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Borderline Women are social
chameleons and are not able to
experience proper human
emotions.
Borderline Women dupe wellmeaning men by strategically
employing the Four Archetypes.
IN CLOSING: Borderline Women are a
HUGE problem for men. You are their
prey, and the system as it is is
currently not in your favor for
recognizing the sort of agonizing
abuse these types are capable of.
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Therefore, you must take it upon
yourself to learn how to defend
yourself against these female
predators
This is my own amateur research, and
it was done specifically with the TRP
community in mind. Too many men
have been cheated out of their
livelihood, and sometimes even their
lives by these Borderline menaces.
This work is a first attempt at helping
safeguard men against this
underappreciated threat.
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Identify and avoid BPD
women Pt.2
by TheGarbageCollector | October 21,
2016 | Link
THE GARBAGE
COLLECTOR'S
QUALITATIVE GUIDE TO
THE INNER WORKINGS OF
THE BORDERLINE
WOMAN'S MIND
Summary: this is a review of the
nine diagnostic criteria for
Borderline Personality Disorder
used in the DSM-IV.
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Introduction
The goal of Part II is to
illustrate the internal
workings of the BPD mind.
The comments posted in response to
last week's QUALITATIVE GUIDE TO
THE FOUR BORDERLINE ARCHETYPES
confirmed that the general consensus
on TRP is that Borderline Women
should be kept as far away from your
life as possible.
The main goal for this series is to
teach the men how to quickly
identify the Borderline Woman.
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This is something that I eventually
want you to be able to do
automatically, using visual cues.
However, a significant number of you
expressed interest in the psychology
of the BPD woman, so we'll pop the
hood and take a look inside.
At least a few people from Part I
commented on how the BPD Woman
has a childlike mind. Part II will
elaborate in that by specifically
linking the diagnostic criteria for
BPD to the instinctual processes
of the infantile mind.
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Borderline Personality
Disorder: DSM-IV Criteria
1. Frantic efforts to avoid real
or imagined abandonment.
(Note: Do not include suicidal
or self-mutilating behavior
covered in Criterion 5.)
The BPD Woman will attempt to trick
you into believing that these efforts
are indicative of the degree to which
she loves you.
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This is a lie. The truth is that these
women are irreversibly addicted to the
thrill of gambling with other peoples’
emotions. She needs to win your trust,
because that trust is the currency she
uses to place her bets when she's
fucking with your mind.
THE RUNDOWN:
Frantic efforts only come after
she's played a losing hand with
her mind games
The fear of abandonment is
actually her fear of losing control
over you
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The second she regains control
she will automatically start
power tripping (she will attempt
to keep it under wraps)
Her preference for her behavioral
addiction will always trump her
promises and your need for
dignity
Every time you submit, the BPD
will lose respect for you
IN THE INFANTILE MIND:
Infants are physically/mentally
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helpless, therefore being abandoned
by the caregiver is equivalent to
annihilation.
Under these circumstances, their
instinct to regain the support of their
caregivers by being powerfully
emotive, thereby activating the
instincts of the parent, which causes
them to return.
The adult who has not outgrown
this stage has the dangerous
combination adult physical
capabilities, cleverness, and
unmitigated access to this
infantile instinct.
The power-trip the BPD Woman
experiences is extreme. She gets an
anticipation high off of mind-fucking
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her victims, then gets high for real by
using her crying-baby instinct to lure
the victim back in.
Once true abandonment is imminent,
she will start panicking her
goddamned tits off. It'll be a
clusterfuck of begging, crying, offering
you sex, and an overall disgusting
display of patheticness.
The second you take her back though?
She's gonna be high as fuck on that
power-trip, and she'll think that you're
the pathetic one for falling for it.
Guaranteed.
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2. A pattern of unstable and
intense interpersonal
relationships characterized by
alternating between extremes
of idealization and
devaluation
It's TRP common knowledge that
women love pragmatically.
In contrast, we've just established that
the BPD Woman is a gambler. Here's a
metaphor to explain the difference:
The typical woman perceives men
as potential investments. She will
weigh her options and select the one
she believes will have the most
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returns. She will (ideally) respect this
man as a business partner.
The BPD woman perceives men as
slot machines. She will pick the one
that "looks lucky" out of a row of men
that otherwise look identical to her.
Her investment is quarters in
exchange for the validation of all the
whistles and blinking lights. Yet her
delusion also allows her to still believe
that her decisions are pragmatic,
which is another trait she shares with
hardcore gambling addicts.
THE RUNDOWN:
If you are a machine that pays
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out, she will be cheerful and
adore you
When she loses, she will become
angry (and may accuse you of
being rigged against her)
If you are a “winning” machine
that starts losing, then she will
"sense" that your luck is wearing
out (and start looking for another
winning machine to jump on)
She has a "luck-reset timer" in
her head, which lets her play on
other machines until she
"senses" that you're lucky again
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If she decides that you are a
"loser" machine, you are at risk
of being pleaded to, sworn at,
assaulted, or accused of quarterrape
If she sees anyone else winning
on HER machine, she is going to
lose her goddamned shit all over
everything
IN THE INFANTILE MIND:
The drive that compels people to
acquire those things that they desire is
innate, (meaning that even babies
experience it). Unlike adults however,
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babies are helpless. Therefore, they
can only acquire things if their desires
are facilitated by the actions of their
caregiver, or by someone else.
To work around this roadblock, babies
are instinctively driven to seek
validation from caregivers. This
validation is a means of testing and
confirming their perceptions of social
reality, which are in turn used to direct
adults towards satisfying the baby's
desires.
Infants are incapable of distinguishing
between self and other. For the infant,
validation is synonymous with
acquisition. This is outgrown in stages
as the child becomes more competent:
by conquering new challenges he
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becomes more and more individuated.
The adult who has not outgrown
this stage is a mindless validation
seeker. The BPD Woman has
absolutely no understanding of
validation as a means of informative
social feedback. She instead perceives
it as a resource that she feels
constantly deprived of and entitled to
due to the fact that she never
individuated. She is only capable of
viewing people as appendages to be
used in service of meeting her
personal needs. Her rapidly alternating
perceptions of people is akin to the
way some normal people will become
angry with objects when they refuse to
work the way that they are supposed
to.
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3. Identity disturbance:
markedly and persistently
unstable self-image or sense
of self
As someone who feels entitled to
validation yet is completely incapable
of validating herself, the BPD Woman
will more often than not find
contentment in spaces where
validation is freely demanded and
given without merit. One where
challenging any of her idiotic ideas is
literally not allowed, so long as she
parrots the validating mantra of the
group she belongs to.
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The closest thing a BPD has to a
sense of self is her victimcomplex, which draws her towards
ideologies that offer to satisfy this
complex.
Although she is incapable of genuine
loyalty, her false-self will be
constructed based off the ideology
that is validating her the most at any
given time. This ideology could be
religious, socio-political, or anything
else so long as it (a) can be used as a
stand-in for her self-image, and (b)
offers her protection in numbers.
The combination of social retardation
and situational irony is a strong
indicator of BPD infestation within an
ideology.
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THE RUNDOWN:
The BPD Woman identifies with
the “victim” narrative as
opposed to the person
These judgements are then
applied to entire demographics,
since the BPD is incapable of
perceiving individuals
Since she is a “victim”, she
“fights for” victims as a selfserving outlet for her rage
Anyone in the “oppressor” group
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is split black, and can be
attacked with impunity
Holds the genuine belief that
having the “right opinions” is the
same as being a good person
Notice that this description aligns
perfectly with the practice of
bigotry. Due to her inability to judge
situations involving individual people
and circumstances, she is highly
predisposed to racism, sexism, and
any other form of prejudice.
She is also unable to truly comprehend
the process of introspection. She
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doesn’t let this stop her from trying
though. As a consequence, her lack of
self-image leads her to accept every
batshit “epiphany” she has that will
enable her to feel like a special
snowflake.
As you've probably already guessed by
now, the current ideology de jour of
the BPD swarm appears to be within
the regressive-left.
Some examples of this breed of
BPD Warrior include:
“Trans-trenders” - some going so
far as to irreversibly alter their
bodies and sterilize themselves
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“Having” the ability to switch
genders multiple times during a
day
Sixty-something, non-binary
genders with new pronouns to
memorize
Accumulating as many plausible
“victim” identities as possible in
order to boost her subjective
value (which she equates with
being an objective fact)
IN THE INFANTILE MIND:
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Make-believe is an essential
component of childhood development.
This behavior begins at around 18
months old and continues onward as a
means of practicing for the child’s
eventual mastery of abstract
reasoning.
On the other hand, the ability to
distinguish reality from pretend play
does not solidify until the child is
about 3 years-old.
For the adult who has not
outgrown this stage, the lacking
stable sense of identity is
compensated for by a necessary
continuation of infantile pretend
play.
The adult cannot distinguish this
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“play” from reality, and often chooses
her “preferred reality” over the
perspectives of other people. They will
surround themselves with other
people who “play nicely” with them,
and will lash out in response to any
interruptions. The internet is
thoroughly saturated with examples of
this kind of behavior, especially in
content involving members of the
regressive-left.
4. Impulsivity in at least two
areas that are potentially
self-damaging (e.g. substance
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abuse, binge eating, and
reckless driving)
The BPD Woman gets high off of
making stupid decisions. Being
impulsive has the double benefit of (a)
the immediate gratification of the
dopamine hit, and (b) the secondary
hit upon recounting the story for her
validators.
She is not capable of abstract
reasoning, and does not have the
foresight to consider how she is
damaging herself and her relationships
in the long run by repeating these
behaviors over and over again. She
enjoys both the sensation of being
reckless and your worried expression
as you’re anxiously checking to see
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whether or not she is safe.
THE RUNDOWN:
Engaging in disturbing or liferisking activities when she knows
you will catch her in the act
Doubling down on her bad
behavior when she knows she’s
on her “last chance”
Quitting or sabotaging her means
of contributing for whimsical or
dubious reasons
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Impulsively cheating on her
spouse or significant other (and
blaming him as her secondary
hit)
Repeated “lamenting” of her
compulsively bad decisions, (e.g.
crying over her credit card debt
before making another huge,
unnecessary purchase)
Behaving less cautiously in
dangerous or unfamiliar
situations than she would
ordinarily
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IN THE INFANTILE MIND:
The self-control requirements of
an infant are basically moot, due
to the inability of the baby to
achieve anything for himself. The
infant roams freely exploring his
environment under the watchful
protection of his caregiver, who is
instinctually obligated to physically
remove him from situations where the
baby could be in danger. This can
frustrate the baby if he feels
interrupted or removed from his
activity, but can also be a wellreceived source of unexpected
attention.
The adult who has not outgrown
this stage can use her adult
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cleverness to identify these
“dangerous situations.” She will
then approach them specifically for
the “unexpected” attention of her
caregivers rushing to her aid. She can
also use these situations as a means
of instigating a premeditated tantrum
against her targets. Often the only
mistake these people ever actually
made was that of caring about her in
the first place.
5. Recurrent suicidal
behavior, gestures, or
threats, or self-mutilating
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behavior
This behavior is related to the reasons
for the BPD’s impulsivity, but the DSMIV is clear in separating this criteria
from the BPD’s “frantic efforts to avoid
real or imagined abandonment.”
This is because the BPD Woman’s
use of self-harm isn’t an act of
desperation. It is an act of
violence.
When assessing the BPD Woman’s
outbursts, it’s important to always
consider that the BPD Woman cannot
distinguish the boundary between
herself and others. If you take this to
its natural conclusion, the following
becomes clear: “self-violence” does
not exist in her mind.
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THE RUNDOWN:
Harming herself is always an
attempt at HARMING YOU.
The BPD Woman facilitates this
by creating a hostage situation
where she plays both the
hostage-taker and the victim
She will emphasize the (false)
importance of YOU making the
“right choice” so that she doesn’t
hurt herself
She will capitalize on the
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plausible deniability of "only
acting out violence upon herself"
in order to generate pity
She may try to inspire your pity
by claiming that she "only takes
her despair/anger/BPD out on
herself"
The above statement is her
intentionally hinting towards her
desire to harm other people
Continuing contact with her past
this point is (in her twisted mind)
you giving her permission to
enact violence against you because in her delusion she
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considers this to be a clear and
unambiguous warning
IN THE INFANTILE MIND:
The reasons why the BPD Woman has
this recurrent tendency towards selfinflicted violence involves the
simultaneous use of the previous two
criteria listed above: (a) identity
disturbance, and (b) impulsivity that is
potentially self-damaging. The adult
expression of her infantile impulsivity
(alongside her reliance on pretend
play) makes her hostage situation
roleplay especially potent as it
FORCES her loved ones into playing
inside her twisted make-believe. They
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will take her threats seriously,
and she will be excited by the
validation that comes from others
“playing the game properly”.
YOU MUST NEVER PLAY THIS
GAME WITH HER.
ADDITIONAL NOTE ABOUT BPD
“SELF”-HARM:
(Edited "police" to 911, thank you
/u/blimblamp for pointing this out.)
When she does this, the ONLY
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correct response is to call 911. Tell
her that you’re calling a cab, then go
outside and STAY THERE until the
authorities arrive. If she knows ahead
of time that the police and/or
paramedics are coming, she will use
the time to “clean up her toys” and
invent a story in order to punish you
and absolve herself.
On the other hand, if she thinks that
you’re leaving, she’s most likely going
to double-down on her impulsive
behavior. This will give her no time to
clean up by the time she realizes
what’s actually happening.
Whichever one you end up
experiencing, she will invariably still
end up proving, at least to you, that
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her intention was to harm you from
the very beginning. When dealing with
a BPD Woman who has already
advanced to this stage of comfort with
abusing you, please bear the following
in mind:
SELF-HARM WITHIN THE
PROXIMITY OF ANOTHER HUMAN
BEING IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE
AGAINST THEM.
Until the rest of the world is ready to
wake up to this reality, you will be
solely responsible for ensuring the
safety of your physical-self and your
reputation. Empathy will only cloud
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your judgement, she already
knows that. Shut it off NOW. You
must spread the truth about her
violence before she has time to start
spreading lies about yours. People will
only realize how convincing the BPD
Woman is when they catch her in the
act. And she will act - her pathology
obligates her to.
The remaining four diagnostic
criteria given in the DSM-IV
are as follows:
6. Affective instability due to a
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marked reactivity of mood (e.g.,
intense episodic dysphoria,
irritability, or anxiety usually
lasting a few hours and only rarely
more than a few days)
7. Chronic feelings of emptiness
8. Inappropriate, intense anger or
difficulty controlling anger (e.g.,
frequent displays of temper,
constant anger, recurrent physical
fights)
9. Transient, stress-related
paranoid ideation or severe
dissociative symptoms
The criteria covering the BPD woman’s
affective instability, controlling anger,
and paranoid ideation can be
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summarized thusly: She is an infant,
and is therefore limited to the
emotional range of an infant.
A future post in this series will be
entirely dedicated to exploring the
BPD Woman’s affective instability (and
perhaps the others as well), but I
would like to conclude this post by
focusing on the BPD’s chronic feelings
of emptiness.
In contrast to the previous
arguments linking BPD and
infantile instincts, infants are not
“empty” in a way that
corresponds to the diagnostic
criteria of BPD. The developmental
goals of a successful human infancy
revolve around the necessity of
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exploration and experimentation. This
is the infant's method of laying down
the groundwork towards fashioning a
reliable sense of what constitutes
reality. In other words, the main
objective of the infant is to explore for
the purposes of not just growing, but
growing himself. The TRP community
will no doubt recognize its own
philosophy within this description.
The emptiness felt by the BPD
Woman is her intuitive awareness
that she failed during this critical
period. As a consequence, she can no
longer derive benefit from setting
goals or accomplishing things for
herself. This is the crux for her
behavioral reliance on the infantile
instincts reported in this post. She is
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pathologically incapable of
understanding the value of human
achievement, sacrifice, or goal-setting,
and her only means of approximating
these things is by fusing a projection
of herself onto other people’s
accomplishments before robbing them
blind. This, for her, is what it means to
have “purpose”, and everything she
does is to distract both you and her
from the obvious fact:
She is a failure.
Conclusion
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The BPD Woman is severely
psychologically arrested
Her responses are functionally
limited to that of an infant
The BPD Woman ONLY EVER
ACTS IN HER OWN SELFINTEREST
Her extreme emotional states
are representative of only two
things:
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(a) If you are giving her what she
wants
(b) If what you are doing feeds
into her validation needs
She only values people for their
ability to be harvested for
validation
She cannot be reasoned with
because her entire perception of
reality is an indefinite game of
make-believe
Her make-believe absolves her
feeling guilty over acting like
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and/or being a subhuman piece
of shit
She will eventually find a reason
to feel justified in engaging in
violence against you
THE BPD WOMAN OFFERS
NOTHING AND TAKES
EVERYTHING
Never give empathy, sympathy,
or assistance to the BPD Woman
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Closing statement: AVOID the BPD
Woman. She is worth nothing, and
her only function is to steal these
things from others. She is
psychologically an infant, and will
feel entitled to all of your
resources
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FITNESS AND
SELFIMPROVEMEN
T
To the young man I
saw at the gym last
night
by 2016redditor | October 18, 2016 |
Link
I haven't seen you in here before. You
seemed a bit unfamiliar with the
environment, perhaps a bit
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uncomfortable. Your pale white skin
and obvious lack of muscle tone
confirms that impression. And your
buddies were similarly soft. That's ok.
Just learn to lift the right way and keep
coming back.
I got the impression you have had
your natural joy and self confidence
hammered out of you by endless
"socialization".
When our gaze happened to meet, you
quickly averted your eyes and looked
downward. There's no need for that.
You have every right to be there too.
I'm not there to challenge or
intimidate you; I'm just getting a
workout like everybody else. Relax
and have fun, chat with the other
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members, it's good, friendly, low key
gym.
You're a tall kid, well over 6 feet. But
your hair is a sloppy mess - is that the
fashion in your high school these
days? Anyway, it makes you look weak
and effeminate. The nerdy round
tortoise shell glasses from the 1990's
don't help any either. Can you afford
contacts? Maybe save up a bit of
money, get a side job.
You seem to have good facial
structure, good basic build / bone
structure, so with a few months of
lifting, a good haircut, some decent
clothes, and most important, steady
confident eye contact and a bit of a
smirk, you will be getting those cute
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little honeys flirting with you. Yes,
those latina chicks in the yoga pants, I
saw you eyeing them wistfully. They
would totally get with a tall white boy
like you, if you have just a bit of game
and confidence.
I know it seems doubtful from where
you are now. Just do the work. It will
happen.
I hope I see you again soon. This time,
look me in the eye, nod or say hi. I'll
be happy to return the favor.
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Lifting basics for
beginners
by cdtCPTret | April 15, 2015 | Link
Hey fellas, I’m fairly new to TRP and I
wanted to give back some advice
based on my area of knowledge. Many
people on TRP propagate the ‘“go lift”
to improve yourself’ attitude, and I just
want to make sure you guys are not
doing it wrong and not wasting your
potential, since it seems many people
get inspired to lift close to when they
swallow the pill. I’m a personal trainer,
and I know a lot of people start out
with zilch knowledge and just go lift for
the good feeling of pressing a weight,
thinking that it will transform them
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somehow, eventually.
There is 100x more fitness info out
there than TRP stuff. I would consider
these basic things everyone should
know, even though there are hundreds
of volumes written about probably
every line in this post. Knowing that
most people don’t/can’t dedicate more
than maybe an hour a day to it (which
is fine), I thought this might be helpful.
1) Have you been lifting for less than 9
months?
a. If yes, your greatest bet is Mark
Rippetoe’s Starting Strength. Get the
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book if you love reading about the
minutiae of human physiology.
Otherwise read the SS wiki which has
everything you need to know. The
hardest part is learning the lifts, but
they are critical.
i. Reason: Decreasing rate of
returns over time. You make
essentially exponential gains in the
first weeks/months of lifting, and the
gains approach zero over time (10+
years). Use that time wisely:
compound big lifts (squat, deadlift,
bench, press, clean). Why? Hits every
major muscle group, including the
biggest (quads, core) in complex ways.
Alternatively if you were doing bicep
curls and calf raises, you would be
wasting your adaptation period on tiny
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muscles. Lift wisely: Add glamour
muscles as accessories and/or after
months of SS.
ii. This is a typical chart
exemplifying amount of muscle gained
per year when lifting. YMMV
iii. 1st Year: 20-25lbs 2nd Year:
10-12lbs 3rd Year: 5-6lbs 4th Year:
2-3lbs 5th Year+: very little to any
more muscle gained from here on out
b. If no, and you generally know or
think you know what you’re doing at
the gym, then you’re here. If you have
less than 6-9 months with the big SS
lifts, I’d recommend to go and do SS
still. Otherwise, this advice is for you
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(not necessary to follow for novices,
their bodies are undergoing
tremendous physical changes
anyway):
i. If you are eating at a caloric
SURPLUS and doing a lifting routine,
you will gain weight and gain muscle.
ii. If you are eating at a caloric
DEFICIT and doing the same routine,
YOU WILL NOT GAIN MUSCLE. You will
lose fat (ideally) and the lifting work is
solely to Keep Muscle that’s already
there from atrophy.
iii. Body fat percentage: if your
bf% is under 10%, you should
generally try to put on weight (or
maintain for the long term). Eat at a
slight caloric surplus and lift. You put
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on muscle, but also (inevitably) some
weight from fat.
1. Calorie Partitioning:
Generally, for men, if your bf is under
15%, then most of the surplus calories
you consume go into your body as
muscle (assuming you’re lifting). If
your bf is 15%+, most of it goes into
fat (think of 15% as the 50-50 point).
Thus the general rule of thumb is to
never get above 15%. Also another
note: if you’ve never been at
sub-10%bf (chiseled 6-pack territory),
getting there first will make it easier to
get there again in the future for when
you regain bf and want to drop again.
A note on diet: There are many
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schools of thought relating to what to
put into your body and how much. I've
personally had great success with
IIFYM. I've heard of people having a
ton of success with intermittent
fasting, paleo, keto, etc. I really
believe different things work for
different people. Experiment a little
and see what works for you (I don't
know your body type and history, etc.)
As the cliche goes, the best
diet/program is the one you can stick
with. Good starting point: Eliminate all
refined sugar, only consume
beverages that are water or coffee,
start cutting out carbs. Rule of thumb:
Make changes incrementally.
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Hope this helps! Let me know if you
have any questions. Most of it can be
googled, but I can link an article or
send insight your way if you are
unfamiliar with the search parameters
relating to fitness (which is fine).
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The Fundamentals of
Fitness
by GayLubeOil | June 15, 2016 | Link
Walk into any commercial gym and
ask for a personal trainer. In front of
you will be a man in the prime of his
life. This man will posses a wealth of
fitness knowledge and be in an ideal
location to apply it. However, nine
times out of ten that man with his full
health and extensive knowledge, will
be incapable of squatting 225 pounds
to full depth for ten repetitions. In
other words, that man will in all
likelihood be a soft pussy.The question
is why can't this man and the millions
of men like him do what plenty of
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YouTube Butt-Sluts can?
The answer is simple. Specifics are
completely useless, until the
fundamentals are applied consistently.
While the fundamentals are easy to
understand, they can be difficult to
actually do. There is a strong
temptation among fitness
professionals and enthusiasts to avoid
the fundamentals and use their
knowledge to rationalize substituting
what's hard and works for what isn't
and doesn't aka: a bosu ball stability
prostate activation bootcamp. Luckily
for you guys Red Pill Superstar
GayLubeOil is here to help you lift with
purpose, understand your body, and
most importantly force you to flush
your evil rationalization hamster.
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Progressive Overload:
The basic tenant of fitness, is that you
must continuously challenge your
body in order for it to improve and
adapt. This is done by lifting more
weight, lifting weight for more
sets/reps or decreasing duration of
work while maintaining all other
variables. Progressively lifting more
weight every week is the optimal
strategy for men who deadlift less
than 315 pounds aka beginners.
Intermediate and especially advanced
lifters shouldn't try this unless they
want to snap their shit up. A much
better and safer strategy is to increase
the number of sets performed every
week. This allows you to use a safer
weight while still increasing workload
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every week. The Shieko routine uses
this approach, is an absolute Soviet
Nightmare and got my deadlift to 600
pounds. Finally, whenever you
complete any kind of progressive
overload program, reward your joints
and ligaments by decreasing workload
and switching to a less taxing program
for about a month.
Motivation
By challenging your body you also
challenge the mind. The physical
stress experienced during a grueling
workout can and often does become
psychological stress. The Progressive
Overload doctrine dictates that
workload must steadily rise with the
exception of the occasional deload. In
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other words, stressful stimulus must
be continuously increased for progress
to be made. 80% of people will stop
going to the gym within 5 months of
joining for this reason. They either
can't handle the stress or aren't
pushing themselves hard enough to
get results. Such systemic
complacency is hardly a surprise in
decadent society that fetishizes
weakness. In fact it can be argued that
much of the West has devolved into
the Nietzschean Last Man, existing
only to seek pleasure and avoid
discomfort.
The people who generally do the best
are the ones trying to create new
identities for themselves. In my
experience that list includes: 17-20
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year old boys looking to become men,
recently uncloseted gays trying to be
accepted in the club scene, men who
got dumped, women looking to
hypergamy, former athletes and
military who have no problem getting
shit done. If you don't see yourself on
the list most likely you lack the
motivation to achieve and sustain
substantive physical improvement.
While motivation articles and videos
might make you feel better, they wont
sustain you in the long run. My advice
is to go suck a dick because if you
haven't achieved it yet chances are
you won't.
Know Your Body:
About a month ago I had a Skype
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video chat with a man from Taiwan.
He wanted to know what he should do
to have Chris Hemsworth's body. The
short answer is take whatever pills and
potions Chris Hemsworth's took, hire
an amazing post production crew, and
bio engineer a virus that will change
Han Chinese DNA to Saxon. Jokes
aside, its important to have realistic
expectations. When choosing a fitness
role model find someone of similar
ethnicity and nattyness level, as that
will give you a reasonable idea of what
can be achieved with your genetic
ratios and muscular insertion points.
Genetics also play a huge role in how
you body responds to food and
exercise. Maybe your insulin sensitive
or maybe not? Maybe you respond
best to high reps or maybe you
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respond better to low reps? The only
person who can give you the answers
is you. So do yourself a favor. Buy a
notebook and track exactly what your
eating and what your lifting. Weigh
yourself and take pictures regularly.
That way when you start looking thick
solid and tight, you'll know what
strategy got you there and will be able
to expand on it in the future.
The average Red Piller is college age,
165 pounds and just under six feet. He
shittily squats about 185 pounds
deadlifts 225 and is inept at feeding
himself. I know this because I skyped
400 of you. If each and every one of
you went to the gym at least three
times a week and consistently
Stronglifted and maybe even Shiekoed
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yourself in the squat rack all of you
could become 185 pound athletic
dudes. I understand that the vast
majority of people here are only
interested in Pornographic Progressive
Overload. I get that. But if you are
going to subscribe to an elitist hyper
masculine ideology that calls 90% of
men beta cuckolds, you are obligated
to be fucking better than those men.
Walk the walk.
Get in on this Juicy Tank Summer Sale
and pick up a soft, light, professionally
illustrated tanktop
Then check out my sassy quips and
muscle pics on Twitter.
If you have a history of Red Pill
misogyny PM me for fitness advice.
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What is Frame?
by Whisper | August 26, 2015 | Link
We talk a lot about "Frame Control",
but many people misunderstand the
term. I have noticed more and more
people using the term generally, to
mean something like "standing up for
yourself", and more and more people
asking about it on askTRP, because
the overgeneralized use of the term
has confused them as to its actual
meaning.
Frame control isn't just conversational
dominance. Frame control isn't just
winning an argument. In fact, winning
an argument without controlling the
frame can be a very bad thing.
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Frame is the process and context
in which you interact with another
person. It includes such things as the
topic of discussion, the tone and
manner of the speech, who is allowed
to speak and when, and so.
Therefore, when we say "Frame
Control", we do not simply mean
standing up for yourself or not backing
down. We mean control over the
process of the conversation.
Example:
Lose Frame, Lose Argument
Larry Summers: There may be
some inherent difference in
mathematical ability between
male and female populations.
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Horde of Angry Feminists:
Misogynist!
Larry Summers: I'm sorry I'm
sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry (resigns
post).
Lose Frame, Win Argument
MRA Larry Summers: There
may be some inherent difference
in mathematical ability between
male and female populations.
Horde of Angry Feminists:
Misogynist!
MRA Larry Summers: How dare
you call me a misogynist? Here is
my track of promoting female
employees, donating to women's
charities, promoting breast
cancer research, etc, etc, etc.
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Horde of Sheepish Feminists:
Oops.
Control Frame
TRP Larry Summers: There
may be some inherent difference
in mathematical ability between
male and female populations.
Horde of Angry Feminists:
Misogynist!
TRP Larry Summers: We're
talking about mathematical
ability, not your feels about
whatever you think my feels are.
Do you have anything useful to
add to this the discussion of
mathematical ability, or are you
just going to squawk like a wet
chicken?
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You see, in the second example, MRA
Larry Summers has won a battle, but
lost the war, because he has won the
battle that his enemy picked for him to
fight. The point he was trying to make
it forgotten, because the feminists
successfully derailed the conversation
into a discussion of Larry Summers'
feelings and implied moral worth. They
have successful avoided the question
of whether men and women differ in
mathematical ability.
TRP Larry Summers displays frame
control. He refuses to be drawn into
the discussion that the feminists want
to have. He is having the discussion he
wants to have.
Without proper frame control,
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even a dominant conversationalist
will lose out in the long run. This is
because he can be drawn into
discussions he doesn't want to have,
and distracted from his own goals in
the interaction.
The most critical form of frame
control, as we shown in the example,
is dealing with the accusation shit test.
To directly confront and attempt to
refute an accusation, even if wild
successful, is a defeat, because you
have:
1. Allowed someone to steer the
topic of conversation to
something that has no good
outcome for you.
2. Shown that the accusation
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bothers you, which weakens your
image.
In any conversation, the controller
of the frame is the one who acts,
rather than reacts. Many shit tests
are, at their core, an attempt to push
you into a reactive mode to see if it
can be done.
Some Principles of Good Frame
Control:
Focus on your goal in the
conversation, and focus what you
say on that goal.
Do not simply react to whatever
anyone else says. Consider what
direction you want the
conversation to take, first.
Do not cooperate with an
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attempt to change the subject
unless it serves your goals.
Ignore, call out, or laugh at
accusations rather than denying
or defending against them.
Reward cooperation with your
frame with active listening and
positive reinforcement. Frame
control does not mean
monopolizing the conversation.
Punish attempts to break your
frame by ignoring the speaker or
calling out the behaviour.
Always finish your sentences.
Ignore interruptions as if they did
not happen. Be loud if necessary.
Reward those who tolerate your
(deliberate or accidental)
interruptions by quickly finishing
and then explicitly calling on
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them to finish their thoughts.
Do not attempt to control the
frame merely to control the
frame. Have a frame in mind,
and be only as controlling as you
need to be in order to establish
that frame.
Do not hesitate to leave a
conversation if circumstances
render the frame uncontrollable.
You lose more face by being
dominated than you do by
retreating to fight another day.
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Guide to social circle
game
by no_face | November 5, 2014 | Link
Many of you are fairly new and most of
the standard advice will make no
sense to you:
"Cure your oneitis, bro. Go sleep with
10 girls"
Seriously? You have oneitis exactly
because you have no one to sleep
with. The above piece of advice is
useless to anyone who isn't already
successful.
"Cure approach anxiety. Take four girls
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to the club. Bitches love pre-selection.
You'll be drowning in pussy"
Again, useless advice. If you already
are able to take four girls, you are not
looking to cure your approach anxiety.
Many of you have no starting point
and are wondering how the heck to
start. Going to clubs is getting you
shut down by overactive bitch shields.
Girls simply use you for drinks in bars.
Women hurry away from you when
you try day-game. So what to do?
Where to even start?
I posted an outline of how to swallow
the pill in
/r/TheRedPill/comments/2l52zg/a_7_st
ep_guide_to_swallowing_the_pill/.
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Roughly, the steps are:
1. Lifting/physical fitness: Strictly
speaking, you could probably do
bodyweight exercises as well.
There are so many resources on
youtube and bodybuilding
websites that I don't want to take
up a lot of space on this, except
to emphasize not to injure
yourself and improve posture
first.
2. Style: /r/malefashionadvice is a
great resource, study it well
3. Mission: This is something you
need to figure out on your own.
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Look at examples from people
you admire.
4. Frame: I'll create a separate post
on this
which brings us to....
1. Game
My favorite game is social circle game.
Even the biggest loser has a social
circle and should be in a position to
regularly interact with women.
The main components of social circle
are:
School/work
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Friends of family / family of
friends / friends of friends
Shared activities such as hiking
club, gym, etc.
Any place where you visit
frequently and see the same
people including your favorite
coffee shop, bus stop, etc.
Step by step instructions for social
circle game:
5.1. Go into monk mode: WTF does
monk mode have to do with game? Its
very simple. Monk mode is an
excellent way to learn how to ignore
women. Not how to pretend to ignore
women, but how to actually ignore
them without being perturbed. And
why do you learn to ignore women?
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Because attention is the only currency
women know and you need to learn
how to stop giving it away for free.
Monk mode also removes you from the
radar, allowing you unfettered time to
improve yourself. When you come
back from monk mode with a better
body, more interesting life and better
sense of style and a rock solid frame,
mah nigga, you will be noticed.
Monk mode also tells you that you
don't need a woman to be happy or
content. You can live -- no, thrive
without women. You are the one giving
her a chance at a happier life. This
builds confidence.
5.2. Confidence: Confidence is the
precise knowledge of what you can do
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and what you cannot do. For example,
you may be confident that you can
squat 150lb and also be confident you
cannot squat 300lb. The clear
knowledge of what you can and
cannot do enables precise decision
making and prioritization and is of high
survival value. When it comes to
interaction with women, knowing what
you can do to her and what you
cannot is confidence. If you aren't sure
if you can kiss her when you can, you
are timid. If you put your arm around
her when you shouldn't, you are
creepy. Interacting with women is a
skill you learn by practice and develop
confidence until it becomes natural.
5.3. Improved SMV: You first need to
accept that you are probably in the 4-6
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range, which is average. 0 is dead, 1-3
are people with severe problems such
as peeling, wart infested or otherwise
troubled skin, grotesque appearance
or deformed bodies, missing limbs,
morbid obesity, etc. 7-9 are what we
consider attractive. 10 is a theoretical
maximum. Lifting makes your body
more attractive. How many times have
you seen a woman whose face was
ugly but had a hot body and you
thought "butterface, but I'd do her".
Women think the same. Having a
great body will make up for baldness,
shortness (to some degree), ethnic
background, etc. The key thing is that
women will give you a chance, instead
of automatic shutdowns. Having a
unique sense of style makes you stand
out and noticed and makes women
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curious. This combined with a good
body will actually often make women
open you. Once you begin interaction,
a rock solid frame will build attraction.
I give one point to each of these
attributes, so that a 4 dude will grow
into a 7 and a 6 will grow into a 9.
5.4. Reading signals: The first sign that
you will notice as your SMV improves
is that women will hold your gaze. If
they hold your gaze for more than two
seconds, its safe to approach. Nothing
may happen, but you won't be shut
down. The second signal you will
notice is that women will smile or if
they are with a girlfriend, they may
turn away and giggle and look back at
you. This is a better signal, you can
approach will boldness.
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5.5. Approach: Note that women in
your social circle know about you and
if you have had recent string of
successes or improved SMV, the
women are talking about you. So you
have a window of opportunity where
you can approach almost any women.
My advice is to approach all of them.
Start by saying hi and making
smalltalk. Your goal is to get used to
approaching and talking, not to have
sex. Approach women you would not
fuck if you want to start with.
Eventually, have lunch or coffee with
everyone. When word gets around that
this guy is very social, women will not
think much if you approach them or no
one (including you) will care if an
invitation is declined. Women in your
social circle are most likely to agree to
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go to coffee with you, especially if you
are known to take everyone to coffee.
Repeated asking women out and
taking them to coffee with no sexual
intention will take the edge off the
anxiety and you will grow more and
more confident when talking to
women. Dividing your attention
among multiple women is the best
prevention and cure to oneitis
5.6. Escalation: Occasionally, you and
one of your coffee dates will have
moment of connection. This is a good
time to escalate. If you have never
touched, hold her hand. If you have
already hugged, go for the kiss. For
the purposes of escalation, her social
status (i.e. boyfriend, etc) does not
matter. But ensure that no one she
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knows is around. Eventually, things
will get physical enough that you two
become intimate.
5.7. Chasing: Do not chase! Repeat, do
not chase!! Your interaction with them
should leave them wanting more and
they should contact you almost every
time. Ignoring a girl after showing her
a wonderful time makes you
irresistible. If she does not chase you,
move on. If no one chases you, work
on your interactions, be fun to be
around. (This is a separate topic).
Always be willing to let go.
5.8. Grow the circle: Always look to
grow your social circle. Meet friends of
friends and then their friends. Meet
people through your mission. The
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larger your social circle, the more
people you meet and less you care
about the outcome with any individual
girl. My suggestion is to also take guys
out for coffee or beer. It will help you
grow your circle.
General notes: Note that social circle
game is slower than a club/bar or day
game. In a club you have an hour or
two to do what you can stretch over
weeks in your social circle. Social
circle game also enables opportunities
for long time frame pre-selection,
show of leadership, etc.
Do not approach any girl who is in a
relationship with a male friend of
yours. Its always more useful to have
the man as an extender of your social
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circle. "Bro's before ho's"
If a girl recoils from your advances,
pretend you never did it and continue
from stage before you escalated.
Often, she will ignore it too. Next her,
she's not into you. Surprisingly, some
of these girls may end up chasing you
but you should never think of her any
more.
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FR: Going to an event
where you don't know
anyone
by [deleted] | October 4, 2016 | Link
I had posted this in another post on
askTRP and it was suggested to me to
make it a post on its own. Maybe a
couple of you can get some value from
it. I'm going to keep it short(ish) and
sweet with some examples.
I was invited to a wedding as the date
of the maid of honor and I didn't know
one other person at the wedding. I
knew my date but I didn't see her for
90% of it because she was part of the
bridal party. She literally text me the
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next day and said I was the life of the
party and the grooms whole family
was talking about me and my dance
moves. Here's my field report:
Talk to everyone. I actually made a
post about this a little while back if
you're interested check it out. I was
late to the wedding because of getting
out of work late. I found people who
were also late. Right away I asked
them if they were there for the same
wedding. They said they were and the
conversation continued from there. We
had to stand apart from the actually
wedding given the way it was all set
up. I continued to talk to these people
and told them I only knew the MOH
and no one else so I deemed them my
new friends.
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I suck at tying ties so I asked the one
guy if he knew how to tie it and could
tie mine because his was done well.
He did it for me, we exchanged names
and small talk. So now I have
connected with like 5 people already.
Wedding ends and we go inside. I wait
in the cocktail line. I'm talk to the
people in front and in back of me.
Don't be afraid to listen in on people's
convos and if you can add something
just jump in. (Obviously don't do it if
it's personal) but I think the people in
front of me were talking about Casinos
or something and I just go "are you
talking about casinos?" They said lol
yes. Ive done quite a bit of gambling
and love playing craps so jumped in
and joined the convo. It may seem
weird or rude but if you can related to
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people they will really like you in the
long run.
Next I find my seat at the table. I don't
know anyone. I introduce myself to
everyone and ask them about
themselves. I find a dude at the table
I'm with and tell him come get a
drink/food with me. In line we chat and
end up having some good laughs and
a lot in common. He's now my boy for
the night. So at this point I have
formed a pretty good social circle of
people. Through out the night when I
see people I met in the beginning of
the night I'll talk to them. Ask them
what they're drinking or how the
nights going, and shoot the shit.
By this point my date shows up I'm
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talking to 2 girls at my table and then I
start talking to her. I have a buzz by
now and am ready to dance. This is
my fucking go to move man. And it
works. Dance with older ladies. The
grandmas who are just sitting. The
divorced milfs. They want to have fun.
And they love when a young stud
drags them to dance. The woman will
also think you're awesome for getting
people to join the fun. This will make
people like you. And flock around you,
be in your own world and bring people
into it.
At this point I have 3 chicks who are
interested in me. One who is
practically obsessing she's telling
everyone she wants to fuck me and
they are telling me. My date even says
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to me. "I've never seen a guy have
chicks fighting over him like this" I
shrug and take her to dance. She's hot
and I want to fuck her so after we
dance for a little, I take her outside
and we go for a walk to isolate her,
make out with her and share a couple
laughs. I end up taking her home and
fucking the hell out of her, twice that
night and once in the morning. My
point is you don't even need a date,
that could have been any of the 3
chicks. Just talk to everyone and have
fun while trying to joining everyone
else in on the fun.
Side Note:
I know someone's going to ask "what
exactly did you say to these people" I
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didn't post that because I hate doing
that. That's always the first questions I
get. You need to learn to vibe and talk
to people naturally to get to this point.
I wasn't always like that I was once
awkward, and shy. I started talking to
everyone, and when I say talk to
everyone I don't mean interview type
questions. I mean make comments on
what's going on around me or the
person. That's the best way to start a
convo and make it more natural. You
have to practice being present. "Is this
place always this packed?" "I guess
you come here a lot"
Small talk is necessary but only to get
to much deeper stuff. Your goal should
be to find a common/shared interest(s)
with people, be curious about them.
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Don't just talk for the sake of talking.
Talk as if your generally interested in
them. Also when you first meet
someone talk to them as if you've
know them for a while. It'll make them
feel more comfortable and you. This
takes practice but once you get the
hang of it, you'll be able to talk to
everyone this way.
I know a lot of guys struggle with
conversations and I think a lot has to
do with being in your head. I have
been all over the place. From being so
into my head, To making
conversations weird, to vibing, etc. I
feel like if I don't put any expectations
on a conversation and can manage to
be present that's when I have the best
interactions.
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I'm sure you've had conversations with
people where you didn't even think
about it. You didn't even realize it was
a thing. You were just naturally doing
it. You didn't think about a response,
an answer, you didn't judge yourself,
you just talked. That's the point you
want to get with all conversations.
This got me thinking how I achieved
this and honesty part of this answer
may sound weird. I started to not
always talk. No trying to fill the silence
with words. I just let it be. I learned to
just be present and comfortable. This
opened my eyes to a lot of things.
That people are really in their head
also. They would try to fill the silence.
If it was a woman or a beta male. They
would get nervous. This would actually
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put me at ease. Because I knew I can
get like that too and there's nothing to
be nervous about. I would listen to
people, I wouldn't speak so much.
Once I got comfortable with this. It
allowed me to relax more in
conversation. Then when I was more
relaxed I became more present. When
I'm present that's when the magic
happens.
I also stopped asking interview type
questions. Like I said I talk about
what's going on around me. Do I still
ask those questions? Of course but it's
just to scratch the surface to a deeper
conversation. You want to find
common interests. You shouldn't be
asking questions for the sake of
asking. There should be a purpose
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behind your interacts.
Dancing
If you can't dance that's okay, I used
to be stiff and dance like a typical
white boy too. PRACTICE. Practice in
the mirror. In the car. In the shower.
When you're cleaning your place. The
key is to let loose, loosen your whole
body. And move to the music. Vibe to
it. Bend your knees. Slide your feel.
Shake your shoulders. Swing your
arms. Don't be afraid.
What helped me also was to watch a
few intro videos on YouTube. Footwork
is everything. Once you learn to dance
with your feet you're set.
This was a lot longer than I planned it
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to be but I hope this helped some of
you. Go out there and kick ass.
TL:DR
Go out. Talk to everyone about what's
going on around you. Join in on
people's conversations. Create your
own good time and bring others in on
the fun
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Beyond
passive/aggressive: Be
ASSERTIVE
by MentORPHEUS | July 18, 2016 | Link
How to communicate needs and
problems to others without
undermining his leadership or
damaging his authority is an ongoing
challenge for men in general, but
especially for reforming Betas who are
newly unplugging. Many are stuck in a
pattern of thinking there's a simple
continuum between passive and
aggressive, which suggests the only
direction for improvement from a
history of passiveness is toward
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aggression. This raises certain
questions: How can I learn not to be a
passive Beta Man without turning into
that asshole? How can I decisively lead
in my social group, family, workplace,
and relationship without causing
resentments and unnecessarily hurt
feelings by upping my aggression to
get my way? The solution lies in a new
dimension: Assertiveness.
Assertiveness means
standing for and
expressing your own
needs and position, WHILE
being aware and
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respectful of the other
person's needs, position,
and authority.
A widely misunderstood concept.
Many people are wary of the concept
of assertiveness, largely because it
becomes conflated with aggression.
Some of the early champions of the
idea in the early 70s earned a poor
reputation by recommending
techniques that amounted to passive
aggression, active aggression, or were
just downright annoying; the Broken
Record Technique comes to mind. The
concept of Assertiveness has become
refined over the decades, and can
have a positive effect on all
relationships in our lives.
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Assertiveness isn't automatically
emasculating or submissive as an
alternative to aggression, nor does it
mean affecting an annoying
salesperson-like or abrasive, hyperdominant persona.
Assertiveness is a way to maintain
frame that helps you get your way, but
charismatically, not by intimidation or
brute (verbal) force. It can end up
making others want to do what you
want them to do, rather than out of
coercion, shame, or other negative
(thus on the aggressive continuum)
social pressures. Even its proponents
and beneficiaries often don't fully
understand the concept. Assertiveness
is almost like an orphan life skill; many
of us pick up elements as we go, and
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we can all benefit from it, but it's
seldom formally taught or understood.
A recent insight I had into the
nature of assertiveness
You're probably familiar with the idea
that the opposite of love isn't
hate, it's indifference. Indifference
is in a different, cooler plane than the
heated polar opposites of love and
hate, and is thus opposite of both.*
Love <------------> Hate
/
/
Indifference
I realized that in a very similar
manner, the opposite of passivity
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isn't aggression; the opposite of
both passive AND aggressive is
ASSERTIVE.
Assertive
/
/
Passive <----->
Aggressive
Because it works both upward and
downward in a hierarchy, and usually
satisfies all parties, it's as though
assertiveness exists in a higher plane
than aggression and passivity.
How does assertiveness work? A
functional leadership or Captain role
frequently requires facts to be
proactively brought to the Captain's
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attention, but this can always be done
in a manner that respects his
authority. When a Captain addresses
his subordinates with assertiveness
instead of aggression, it can actually
increase their respect and loyalty over
purely authoritarian methods.
Assertiveness can be used by both
parties while maintaining a hierarchy
of roles. This is because assertiveness
means expressing your own needs,
while understanding and respecting
the position of the other party. It seeks
win-win outcomes, and by its very
nature takes away the root cause of
most conflicts, clashes, and power
struggles, for it leads to interpersonal
transactions with outcomes that both
parties desire and work toward.
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Why do I need to learn
assertiveness? Carefully scaled
aggressiveness has its place in
attraction, initial boundary
establishment, certain defined roles
(Officer/soldier, boss/employee,
parent/child, Dom/sub), and average
or baseline behavior on an ongoing
basis as a long-term Captain of a
relationship. However, in more
developed, therefore complicated
relationships, pure unbalanced
aggression becomes a hinderance to
a smooth-running hierarchy of
power. It might frustrate and anger
the same SO/First mate in some
contexts while it attracts and pleases
her in others.
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Where aggression is often expedient in
the short term, such as in an
emergency, management of all types
of long-term relationships becomes
easier when the well-being of the
subordinants is considered in the
Captain's decisions. Assertiveness is a
tool that accomplishes this
automatically, and is a way to balance
raw Alpha energy without swinging in
the direction of a supplicating Beta.
This is functional, streamlined, the
First Mate or subordinants have
involvement and a stake in the final
choices, and the Captain still
maintains his ultimate authority
without being burdened by details he's
delegated or extra work dealing with
the effects of bruised feelings and
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egos around him.
Examples of different approaches
to various life situations
Situation
Dishes left
in kitchen
sink
Passive
Says nothing,
internalizes
the problem
with
depression,
psychosomatic
ailments
Passive-aggressive Aggressive
1 complains more
loudly about
something different,
2 leaves his own
dirty dishes
somewhere
important to her
"You're
such a slob!
Always
leaving
dishes in
the sink!"
Assertive
Could you
please at least
rinse the
dishes after
each meal like
we discussed?
GF stays
out later &
Same as
later on
above
Ladies
Nights
You're
always
1 Same 2 "I'm going staying out
to start going out
late! I
late too..."
demand
that you
stop!
I'm having X
problem when
you stay out
so late, let's
talk about it
when we get
home tonight.
Guys in
next
campsite
Same as
blaring
above
music your
direction
"Hey guys, I
notice the
music is
"Turn that pointing away
shit down, from you and
asshole!"
toward me.
Turns own music
(fight or
Let's get it
genre up ridiculously
passive
turned toward
loud
aggression you so you
all weekend can enjoy your
ensues)
music and I
can hear mine
inside the
motorhome."
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Situation
Passive-aggressive Aggressive
Assertive
Roll eyes,
makes
Woman
scolding
cuts in line noises to
nobody in
particular
Passive
"I was here
Hide two of her
first, bitch!"
groceries in the
<pushes
magazine rack when cart ahead
she isn't looking
of her
roughly>
Excuse me,
the line forms
back here,
perhaps you
didn't notice...
Subordinate
Ignore
still not
situation and
doing task
fume
you ordered
Complain to spouse
about situation after
work, randomly
cause difficulty for
the person
"You're still
not getting
X done like I
told you,
what are
you, stupid
or lazy?"
"John, what
was the
conversation
we had about
doing X?"
Jeez, you
look like a
homeless
person!
You'd be a
mess
without me
watching
out for you!
Sweetie, you
should look at
your hair
before you go
out.
Fumes
internally,
pays fine, yells
Pulled over
"Other people were
at kids when
for
going that fast you
they want
speeding
know!"
something
needing
money
"Why are
you picking
on me?
Don't you
have real
criminals to
catch?"
"Gosh, that
sounds pretty
fast all right.
Here's my
license and
insurance,
check me out
and see what
you need to
do here."
Boss chews
you out for
situation
not your
fault
"I'm doing
the best I
can out
here, now
it's like
you're
picking on
me!"
"I share your
frustration
with that
outcome.
Instead of
recriminations,
let's see how
we can fix
this."
Wife's hair
is sticking
out funny
Make brushing
Ignore it, let her
gestures on
embarass herself
own hair
Accept rant,
Open a can of
take out
sardines behind his
frustration on
desk drawer
subordinates
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Situation
Passive
Passive-aggressive Aggressive
Piss through the
AMOGger
Fume about it, louvers of his locker "Hey, wait
takes over
join a different next time he's there; your turn,
weights you
gym
sneak off with a
asshole!"
were using
weight he needs
Assertive
"Hey big guy,
I'm John. If you
want to work
in let me
know, I'll stay
and help spot
you. What's
your name?"
Assertiveness is a form of
communication that
transcends the passiveaggressive dynamic and is
compatible with longlasting, healthy CaptainFirst Mate relationships
and strong, charismatic
leadership roles.
Assertiveness is poorly understood,
but is a valuable concept for women
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seeking healthy, harmonious longterm relationships in life and a system
for communicting within a balanced,
respectful power structure.
If your Alpha Game is well calibrated,
but you find your SO or subordinates
are submissive to a fault and are
inhibited from communicating with
you when you need, direct them to
this article's complement,
Assertiveness for Women
Edit:Format
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RED PILL
SERIES
POSTS
TRP Field Toolkit
by NightwingTRP
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TRP Field Toolkit
Part 1: Attitude, Ego
and IDGAF
by NightwingTRP | April 28, 2015 | Link
TL:DR - A compilation of the basic
tools you need in the field to
handle the vast majority of
situations which could arise. The
way I explain everything is the
way I see it and how it has been
working well for me including
examples and links to additional
reading. As a result of all the
detail, it was extremely long, so
I've broken it down into four parts
for ease of use. This part covers
an introduction, guide preface and
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Attitude, Ego and IDGAF.
Introduction (My motivation. Skip
if you don't care.)
Ever since I unfortunately had to
remove the Field Report I put up about
a month ago, I wanted to find a way to
get that information back out into the
community. I had a couple of guys
message me to thank me for the
"masterclass" in TRP seduction. While
I'm flattered by that, I don't believe I'm
a complete master. (I also believe that
any attitude suggesting you have
nothing left to learn is counterproductive for any man looking to
continually better himself. We are all
apprentices in a craft where no one
ever becomes a master.)
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Everything I used in that FR, I learned
from this sub and the IRC chat. When I
realised just how much I'd learnt and
how many principles I put into play
over the course of that night, I realised
that there is no one piece which draws
these strands all together. That's what
I intend to do with this guide. That way
any newer guys have a complete list
of everything in one place and can
quickly see where their strengths and
weaknesses are. Most of these work
very well for me when applied to the
right situation, YMMV depending on
your appearance, approach and
personality.
Preface to the guide
This is the "in-the-moment social
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dynamics which is essentially the raw
game itself, getting popular/laid is
based on all this bullshit, which is
effectively the basis of animal
attraction/charm/social grace. We
don't get too many posts like this
anymore, but it's always good to
rehash the basis of interaction,
especially for guys who are busy
working or doing other shit and need
to dust up their social skills. Like
anything, too much time out of the
game makes you rusty and these
behaviours you describe which
otherwise come naturally to many
become lost and need relearning/reawakening, which I'm sure
your descriptions will aid in. Also helps
the autists who never had a clue to
begin with, too." - /u/Illimitableman
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(Thanks for your input on this and
giving so freely of your time to better
the community.)
Your TRP knowledge is a bit like a
toolbox. We hear plenty about how
personal calibration of game is a
significant factor in your success with
women. Each tool has its own specific
use for a specific problem. Utilising the
correct tool in the right way at the
right time is the essence of proper
calibration. However, like any
craftsman, you may be better at using
some tools than others. Develop the
best quality tools you can and work to
your strengths as much as possible.
Attitude and ego.
Attitude is all about the inner
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monologue going through your mind.
In my opinion, this is the most
important part of any interaction. I say
this because I strongly believe your
attitude and ego are the foundations
which underlie your frame and your
ability to respond to tests. I have also
now had two women later tell me how
they "internally felt" my attitude within
15 seconds of meeting me. (One of
them even got it literally word-forword.)
Setting your attitude may take some
time, but there are a few phrases I
remind myself of in order to maintain
the right attitude. These phrases may
seem raw or even offensive to newer
members who are trying to learn from
this. Some of them are actively wrong,
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but you want to keep them just to
keep you in the right frame of mind.
There is a big difference between your
ego out in the field, and your ego on
TRP. Your ego/confidence, (maybe
even narcissism at a push), should be
absolute in the field. Once you get
back on the TRP sub though, you
should kill your ego in order to be
more objective. So these phrases
apply to frame of mind in the field, not
on the sub.
I am entitled to touch her body.
(You're not really, we don't
encourage rape or molestation if
she's clearly uncomfortable. This
phrase gives you confidence in
your kino. If she doesn't like it
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then she'll find a way to let you
know. If any chick ever does, it's
no big deal. Shit happens, but
kino is vital to escalation!)
I am the God of my own little
world. (This is your frame. She
may be here by her choice, but
she's also here because you
allowed her to be. Never forget
this and never let her insinuate
anything different. You're in
charge of you, she is not.)
She is worth just as little as the
next slut. (She might not be, but
that's not the point of this. This is
about reminding you of the right
attitude to take to make yourself
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as attractive as possible.
Reminder of the biological
realities of AWALT. Reminder of
abundance mentality. Reminder
aimed to ensure you act like your
SMV is higher than hers. There
are no good girls. There are no
unicorns. Don't be an idiot and
keep that perspective.)
I am here to have fun. Whatever
else happens, happens.
(Outcome independence. You are
completely disinterested in a
specific outcome. You control
yourself and your ability to have
fun. Use that. Everything else is
irrelevant. Any interaction you
have with a woman should be
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fun. If you're not having fun,
leave her and go find someone
more fun.)
All women are sluts. You will now
go prove this. (While not entirely
true, every woman does have the
capacity to be a slut. The
requirement to be a slut is to
have a vagina and spread your
legs often. Every last woman is
capable of this if she doesn't
control herself. If you're looking
for quick sex then remember
that it is your task to turn her on
and put her in a situation where
she can be the slut her body is
urging her to be for any man of
high enough SMV. A smart
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woman who doesn't want to be a
slut will avoid such situations,
but that's her responsibility, not
yours.)
I'm going to walk away if I
choose. (Your time is valuable.
You are not going to waste it.
You know what's happening and
what you want. This is to remind
yourself that you are outcome
independent, you are in control
of the interaction and your SMV
is higher than hers. Women are
very talented at spotting fakes. If
you don't truly believe you are
her superior then she'll read
between the lines and figure it
out. Remember that women date
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up!)
She is here at my whim. (You are
out to enjoy yourself and she has
been allowed along. It's true that
she needs to want to be there
too, but that must not be the
way you view it. The moment her
presence becomes her decision
rather than yours is when you
step into her frame. As a
dominant man, it is your frame
and your whim which is the
ultimate deciding factor. The fact
she wants to be there is
incidental, you could still have
chosen not to allow her along
because there are plenty more
women out there. Abundance
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mentality. Outcome
independence.)
Some of those may be a bit raw for the
newer guys and anyone who likes to
call TRP misogynistic. As I said, they're
not all true, but you need the right
attitude to project your superior value.
The truth of the sexual market place is
that women will only go for men of
higher value than they have. Which
means in contrast, you've only got a
chance with women who perceive
themselves to be of lower value than
you. You want a chance with that girl?
Better start thinking she's getting the
better end of the deal. Doesn't matter
if that's true or not. Develop an ego
which truly believes it.
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A note on IDGAF. (I Don't Give A
Fuck.)
Typically speaking, along with
developing the right attitude to
symbolise your superior SMV, you'll
also develop a bit of an attitude like
women don't matter. Actually, they
don't. They're just another part of the
world. Most things don't really matter
in the grand scheme. All you really
need is food, water and warmth and
you'll survive. Everything else is gravy.
You can survive, you can achieve your
life mission... you can do most things
without women.
Woman tries to tell me what to do/how
to think - like I care? I can think for
myself. Let the disinterest flow.
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Guy tries to AMOG me - you do you
mate. Doesn't matter to me, I'm still
gonna do me. Look at all these fucks I
couldn't give.
Shot down by the bitch shield - that's
one chick... what does she matter as
the tiniest cosmic fleck in my
universe? Time to go dance to the
theme song.
Essential reading.
The less you care, the better.
Outcome independence. Stronger
frame. Pussy off the pedestal. All
rolled into one. Next time I will be
tackling Frame, Posture and Body
Language.
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Part 2: Frame, Posture
and Body Language
by NightwingTRP | April 29, 2015 | Link
TL:DR - This is the TRP Field
Toolkit. A more detailed guide to
all the basics used in the field that
will allow you to deal with the
vast majority of situations which
arise. The way I explain
everything is the way I see it and
how it has been working well for
me including examples and links
to additional reading. The first
part of the guide covered
Attitude, Ego and IDGAF. This part
covers Frame, Posture and Body
Language.
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Frame.
"Frame is an often subconscious,
mutually acknowledged personal
narrative under which auspices people
will be influenced." - Rollo Tomassi.
Controlling and holding the frame of
your interactions is absolutely vital to
being seen as a strong, high value
man in the field. Frame is the reality of
your world. Your underlying attitude
will give off a vibe which influences
the frame. You must be in control of it.
The difficulty for many new members
of TRP is spotting where frame is being
tested or stolen by someone else.
Whether that be by a woman or by
being AMOG'd. On the simplest and
most basic level, I would tell someone
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the best way to maintain frame is to
consciously and actively make your
own decisions. The woman has made a
choice to enter your world and it's
down to you to take her on a little tour
of your world/life so she can see how
cool and fun it is.
Setting the tone of your frame is about
three things. Firstly, you are going to
have fun and choose to enjoy yourself.
She gets the privilege to come along.
To achieve this, just use statements
about what the two of you will do. Be
assertive, but not rude. Second, the
frame of your interactions will be
sexual. Blue jokes/sexual teasing early
is the best way to set the right tone
and let her know that this frame is
sexual and you're not talking to
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someone you consider a platonic
friend. Thirdly, touch her. (Not like that
right away you twit! Unless you're in a
club, in which case have at it. She'll
slap your hand away if it's not
welcome, so don't force it.) Break that
psychological barrier early and make it
very clear that the frame she's just
entered will involve physical contact. A
hug and a rub of her arms, taking her
hand etc etc. Once frame is
established, the woman has every
right to leave if she so chooses.
However, the truth is that women want
dominant men who display value and
they're very happy in such a frame
because it allows them to act upon
their natural femininity. It's a lovely,
comfortable place for a woman to be
when she's in the frame of a man she
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trusts and desires.
The frame I set tends to be
uncompromising and this will
occasionally backfire. (You will be
called the asshole with a grin if the
woman thinks you're within her SMV
range. You'll be called it with a scowl
for the same behaviour if she thinks
your SMV is too high for her. Most
women are like children and will throw
tantrums if they think they're being
denied what they're entitled to.)
However, as /u/TRPsubmitter states:
uncompromising > chump. Remember
the attitude - IDGAFOS. ("I Don't Give
A Fuck Or Shit" for the uninitiated.)
Posture and Body Language
Posture is a well noted hack for
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increasing your SMV in a very short
time. In simple terms: poor posture =
weak man. Good posture = strong
man. As you sort out your lifting
regiment, make sure to research good
posture and enact whatever exercises
you need in order to fix any posture
problems. This post was particularly
useful to me and prompted me to
begin my research and targeted
exercises. Remember to keep your
posture corrected in the field!
Once again, in the field, you'll need to
remember your body language at first.
However, over time, it will become
more natural. Chances are, if you've
come to TRP after much failure with
women, you were probably emitting
the body language of a loser your
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whole life. Start here.
The simplest and most effective advice
I can give to keep your body language
dominant in the field is to remember
to spread out. Two basic alpha
positions will be used most often.
Walking - head high, chest out,
shoulders back. If you're still
correcting your posture, lean back a
bit while you walk. You'll be surprised
how that impacts things positively.
Sitting - back up straight, shoulders
back (arms to the side if you can to
take up more space), legs spread
(your massive cock clearly needs
room.) The more space you can take
up, the better.
When performing actions - nicely
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paced, deliberate actions are the way
forward. Avoid being timid at all costs.
(Do, or do not. There is no try.) Beyond
this, try to keep any resting body
language (i.e. any body language
which you're holding for more than a
second or two) as open as possible.
Eye contact should be maintained with
anyone. You should try to ensure they
always break eye contact first (unless
you might end up walking into
something.) Try to gain as much eye
contact as you can with women. Eye
contact in itself can produce feelings
over an extended period, so never
underestimate it as a really strong tool
in your box. If you have trouble with
eye contact, you need to force yourself
to start doing it everywhere. When
you're out shopping, when you're
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going to the movies. Whoever is
serving you, get some eye contact.
You'll become more comfortable the
more you do this. (This has even made
a difference in the way I am served at
places, so do it!) Posture and body
language are base game in my
opinion. Your attitude will influence
your frame and body language. Frame
and body language will influence your
behaviours.
Additional reading.
The next piece will cover Shit tests
and Comfort tests.
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Part 3: Shit tests and
Comfort tests
by NightwingTRP | April 30, 2015 | Link
Shit tests.
Naturally I will now point to the
sidebar material on this as the most
basic reading. Once you've figured out
these basic responses and learned a
little on the benefits of silence, it's
time to start calibrating your game.
This is down to your individual
personality. I've said before that
women are great at spotting fakes.
They've been practicing their social
skills and reading between the lines
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much more than most men. Your
game will be significantly stronger if
you play to your strengths and your
personality. First, figure out if you're a
strong silent type, or the life of the
party joker, or maybe you're that
douchebag jock guy who'll benefit
from a heavy dose of asshole game.
Pick the responses to shit tests that
will work best for you. This will require
some experimentation, but you should
be able to settle down nicely as you
test things out. I'll briefly go through a
quick application of the basic combats
to shit tests. (Remember, in essence
all shit tests break the rapport and
look for you to follow suit and
demonstrate your strong social skills.
So the same style of response can be
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used by different types of men in
different ways.)
I'll quickly run through some examples
of the classic shit test "I bet you say
that to all the girls." I am answering
the same test to demonstrate that you
will be able to see what style of
response best fits your personality
(and that not all types of response are
equally strong. This is the essence
behind why you need to calibrate.)
Example responses:
Agree and Amplify
"Of course I do. That queue outside is
actually girls lining up to hear it."
"Definitely. Every hot girl who crosses
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my path, so I think I've said it like ten
thousand times. This is ten thousand
and one."
I've chosen these examples because I
think they can be delivered as both
jokey and serious depending upon
your own calibration and what suits
your personality. I don't tend to use
A&A often, but it works nicely when I
think it's the right move. In essence
A&A is just playful sarcasm which adds
silly-style-fun to the conversation while
not answering her question properly.
(Because all shit test questions aren't
worthy of a serious response. They're
not designed for a serious response,
they're designed to see if they
phase/concern you or not.)
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Ignore (change the subject)
"Oh I love this song, have you heard it
before?"
"My glass is empty, when do you plan
on refilling it?" (Add smirk obviously.)
From my experience, randomly
changing the subject tends to work
less well than changing it to something
concrete and relevant to the evening
you're having with her. It makes it
seem like the conversation has moved
on naturally, rather than overtly trying
to dodge. This can be both cheeky and
serious, just mould the delivery
according to how you want to be
perceived.
Ignore (silence)
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If you have eye contact already, hold it
and wait until she looks away. Then
look off in whatever direction,
(preferably in the direction of a hot
chick) and then throw out a bit of
laughter and move the conversation
forward.
If you don't have eye contact, don't
look for it. Just look off into the middle
distance and let a smirk slowly cross
your face. Make sure she fills the
silence. (She'll want to because
silences make most girls
uncomfortable.)
Silence is my preferred response to a
shit test like this. Silence is also an
excellent way to feed the hamster.
Feeding the hamster is simply leaving
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details out, being vague and leaving
her to fill in the gaps (which, if she
likes you, she'll fill them in positively
thanks to the halo effect.) It's the
same principle on which dread game is
based. Keep that hamster fed
gentlemen!
Pressure flip (my personal fav)
"Yes. Do you ask all the boys that?"
"Maybe. What's your go-to line?"
"Why do you care about the other girls
chasing me?"
Pressure flips are my favourite
because they suit my personality. I
believe they're a combination of
ignoring the nonsense and reasserting
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frame. They're like a playful form of
confrontation and will work particularly
well if you're a naturally aggressive
man. I particularly like them because it
forces a small flush of emotion in the
girl which combined with your
demolishing of her shit test gives you
bonus tingles. You can answer the
question if you want in a pressure flip,
but typically you want to question the
assumption the test is based on. Force
her to think about why she's asking
the question because most girls don't
actually know or understand why they
ask these things. If she's reduced to
babbling nonsense then that's worked
well and you can assume you've
caused some tingles. Always use these
under any circumstances where she's
showing some submissive responses
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or submissive body language. It's a fun
and strong assertion of dominance and
frame.
I have met one woman who could fight
my pressure flips by restating her shit
test in the same words. (I pressure
flipped 3 times, with 3 different lines
and she repeated the exact same
words back to me 3 more times.) Since
I hadn't encountered such absurd
stupidity before, it threw me until I had
time to reflect. If this happens, I would
jump to a command respect response
and declare "I will not answer your
question until you answer mine."
Repeat as needed. She must cave
first. Frame reasserted. Then when
she's finished answering, then go for
the vague response.
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Commanding respect
"I don't like when girls compliment-fish
like that to try and feel special. You're
already spending time with me so you
should feel special and I don't want
you questioning me on that. It's
disrespectful of my motives."
"Don't imply I'm some kind of sleazy
pick-up artist who just spouts lines. If
you don't trust my word then we don't
have to hang out, but if you do then
you'll trust me and won't imply that I
don't really mean the things I say."
The commanding respect response is
a mega-heavy dominant, reassertion
of frame. Essentially you're trying to
say very directly and clearly "I will not
tolerate your shit. Show me respect."
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in a very uncompromising fashion. I
would advise using this sparingly at
first, and maybe on girls who are
pretending they're "good girls"
because it fits nicely with their
narrative. The more playful responses
which hint that you might be a cad are
what I'd advise most on a first
meeting. Commanding respect
can/should be used on later meetings
if she's still shit testing you. However,
again, calibrate according to your own
personality. Always remember that
trying to command respect from an
entitled girl who isn't certain of your
SMV being significantly higher than
hers is likely to backfire and lower
your SMV. This is because it will come
across as you having poor social
awareness. These girls are better off
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being negged, ignored, or a
combination of both until they change
their attitude. If they don't, then it
doesn't matter and you don't need to
have anything to do with them. Plenty
more women out there.
(You may have noticed I've skipped
the nuclear option... this is because I
firmly believe an alpha male has no
need to use this. If you have
internalised the correct attitude and
have some level of amused mastery
about you, then her acting like a
spoiled brat will merely amuse you at
best and make you silently leave at
worst. Either way, using the nuclear
option shows she has got to you.
Remember that this woman is merely
another gnat in the swamp. Plenty
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more for you to have a swat at. No
need to nuke this one from orbit.)
Essential shit test theory reading.
Further reading on Super-Shit tests
Comfort tests.
Once you've mastered your responses
to shit testing, you'll eventually start
meeting another obstacle. You've
asserted your SMV is higher than hers
and demonstrated higher fitness by
demolishing her shit tests and
continuing to hold the frame of the
interaction no matter how much she
tests it. All women doubt themselves
and at some point, if she sees you as a
seriously high-value male, she'll worry
that maybe her value isn't quite high
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enough for you and that she has no
real hope with you.
At the core of it, women know
instinctively when a man is way
outside their league. They know if
they're a 3/10 then the 9/10 guy will
go for their 7/10 friend and not them.
Normally they will disqualify
themselves as a social precaution.
(There are occasional retarded
exceptions, but the rule is generally
solid.) This is why beta game tends to
work really well for the pretti-boi. (A
man who is considered to be naturally
physically attractive in the top 5%.
These guys still get laid as betas, but
they tend to fail at relationships if they
never develop any natural alpha
traits.)
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If you've spent time talking with a girl
and she was confident at the
beginning that you were within her
SMV grasp, then as you display higher
and higher levels of fitness through
amused mastery and demolition of shit
tests, some women will become
insecure. (i.e. girl sees herself as a 6
or 7 out of 10. She initially sees you as
an 8/10. As the night wears on, she's
come to the conclusion you're a 10/10.
"Oh no! A 9/10 competitor may come
along and steal him. Is he really that
interested in me? Have I undervalued
myself?") She still wants you, but she
wants to be sure she doesn't make an
idiot of herself by chasing a man she
has no chance with.
This is where she will drop a comfort
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test on you. Classic comfort tests are
typically implying (or even straight
saying) that they're worried you're
going to leave them. That they're not
pretty enough for you. Maybe they
even think girl X is going to snatch you
away when she clicks her fingers. Your
role here is to calm her fears. Give her
that validation and increase her SMV
slightly so she's sure you're still
obtainable. Note that providing
emotional comfort in specific
situations is not the same as being an
emotional tampon. The emotional
tampon is used at her whim. Providing
comfort is you demonstrating your
social awareness and catering to a
need. This should be done with
minimal words. A sentence will suffice.
No big beta speeches about undying
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love for her!!!
"Why are you with me?" or "I'm
worried you're just going to have sex
with me and I'll never see you again."
These are two pretty typical comfort
tests from a girl who has become
insecure. The language of these gets
varied, but they've been coming up
more and more often for me. Here's a
couple of direct responses which avoid
surrendering the frame.
"Because you're hot, fun and you like
to kiss me." (Then kiss her obv.) This
one surrenders the frame slightly by
answering her question directly,
allowing her a little control, but then
takes it straight back by you initiating
the kiss. (Don't work it like a pressure
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flip though because that will have the
opposite effect. Think romantic
delivery.) This would work best for a
jokey/clownish dominant guy.
"I wouldn't be here if I just wanted sex
with you. We'd have already finished
by now and I'd have gone. You're
fun/funny/interesting/fascinating, so
you'd see me again." Essentially just
tell her that her theory is wrong,
phrasing it in a positive way that
shows you have the power of decision
making. Then throw her a compliment.
Whatever compliment you think is
truthful about her. This is not a time
for her bullshit detector to go off. This
response would probably suit a more
serious or strong/silent type.
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"Nobody is good enough for me. But
I've chosen you." (An Illimitableman
instant-classic.) It's cocky and highlevel asshole game for the guy who
truly wants to make love to a
reflection of himself. Essentially saying
I'm the shit and you're lucky to be with
me, now shut up and stop whining or
you'll lose me.
Next time, in the final part of the
guide, I'll be covering identifying Red
and Green flags, bypassing the AntiSlut Defence and Last Minute
Resistance, and finally, knowing when
to Walk Away.
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Part 4: Flags, ASD,
LMR and Walking
Away
by NightwingTRP | May 1, 2015 | Link
Identifying flags.
Red flags and green flags are most
important to the men who want to
have a long term relationship with a
woman. However, I think identifying
them can be very useful for deciding
how to order the importance of your
plates and additionally as a good
evaluation system to see what sort of
schedule from meeting to sex you can
expect with this chick.
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Red Flags.
More Red Flags.
Even More Red Flags.
I would also add to these any chick
with bright coloured hair, lots of
piercings, tattoos, used to be a
stripper/camgirl at any point in her life
or is generally a bit of an attention
whore. These things scream "I love to
take my clothes off for strangers. And
oh whoops, it just happened where he
fell into and out of me several times
by mistake. I'm totes not like that
really."
Also, we must never forget the
standard public service
announcement: Do not stick your
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dick in crazy. If you're new and you
find that crazy chick to be hot... go
search for a few of the horror stories
on the sub. It'll change your mind
pretty fast.
Green Flags.
More Green Flags.
Green flags typically show a woman
who is likely to treat you better and a
woman who's going to hang around.
Better plate material. Better LTR
material. Generally much more
pleasant to be around. I'd advise you
to pump and dump any girl who
doesn't display at least one green flag.
This is because she's likely to be a
nightmare to manage, even as a plate.
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The ASD (Anti-Slut defence) and
LMR (Last Minute Resistance.)
These two are linked. The Anti-Slut
Defence can be both Last Minute
Resistance, or it can be a pre-empt
that shows she's already eager to fuck
you. (While this post shows multiple
layers of meaning, I also consider it to
be a form of ASD pre-empt. i.e. "I don't
do that. Oh, it wasn't planned, it just
happened, so I'm still not a slut.") In
my opinion ASD is just a combined
shit/comfort test. She wants to know
you're dominant enough to take her,
while also comforting her hamster and
ensuring that her sluttiness won't
become public knowledge.
From my experience, I tend to either
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get a variation of the shit test "you
sleep with all girls on the first date?"
(which I always respond with a
disinterested "gentlemen don't kiss
and tell. What about you?" She
typically doesn't respond to that. She's
satisfied her sluttiness will be kept
secret.) or I'll meet the ASD later. For
all modern sex-positive feminism
shouts and screams that sluts are
nothing to be ashamed of... most
women are still ashamed and
embarrassed when people know they
are sluts. Late ASD would also count
as LMR and should be dealt with in the
same way as LMR.
Further reading on ASD.
LMR is something that I am convinced
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is a final shit test, thrown out if she's
not 100% certain of your high SMV in
order to double check at the last
second. From my experience, it comes
out much more often when my frame
hasn't been solid or I've made a
misstep or two earlier, but then
recovered. The essential attitude
underlying the methods to overcoming
LMR are IDGAF combined with a
healthy abundance mentality. Her
token resistance of "we shouldn't have
sex" is just that, it's token resistance.
Typically a girl won't end up naked
and alone in her bedroom with a guy
she doesn't want to fuck. (No matter
what the blue pill idiots say, that's just
not a sensible thing for a girl to do and
there is no amount of rationalising
which will change my view on this.)
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There are two methods which come
from the attitude to bypass the last
minute resistance. Personally I favour
the latter because of the modern day
rape hysteria which goes on, but both
are good. Firstly, you can pay very
close attention to her body language
and continue doing things which will
turn her on that are not penetrative
sex. Playing with her nipples and then
putting her hand on your cock is a
solid move which typically leads to
sex. Keep turning her on until she's all
but begging for you inside her. If you
want to take this method, I strongly
advise using the "If you say stop, I'll
stop." line. It establishes a very clear
safeword and allows her to submit to
you if that's what she wants.
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The second approach is to really
channel your IDGAFOS to level 2.0 by
beginning to leave and looking
completely unphased. Most women
will have experienced the beta
reaction to their LMR a few times.
(Beta reactions being things like
getting pissy at her for being a cock
tease or starting to beg for sex.) As a
result of this, she may be a little
confused at first until she realises
what she's almost done and scrambles
to recover and satisfy her tingles. An
alpha does not care, he can pull on his
pants, walk out the door right now and
go get sex elsewhere. You have to
believe this or else you risk this not
working. She will reinitiate in some
way to get you back. Begging you not
to go and you can escalate again. This
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can be done with small talk, but one
line I've had some good success with
is "I'm not certain I'll be able to control
myself if I stay. You should make me
go." It leaves a little ambiguity for her
while making your intentions very
clear. She lets you leave or she gets
you to stay for sex. With good eye
contact and silence I've seen multiple
ravenous reactions to this. A less
direct (and more methodical)
approach to the same method is
covered in the book Bang by Roosh V.
But I'm impatient and women can tell
this, so they tend to make up their
mind faster.
Walking away.
It is better to cut your losses and walk
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away, than risk further losses. Walking
away is always an option for you.
ALWAYS.
I've found this field report to be one of
the best examples of walking away
even when the value is high and
you've invested time and effort. The
moment you won't walk away, you've
surrendered the power in the
relationship and/or the interaction. You
are willing to walk away from
anything if circumstances show that
you've lost control or it will do you
damage to stay. You need to be
effortlessly dominant and consistent.
Sometimes this means you'll have to
walk away from a situation where you
can't be these things.
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If it's a relationship, the option to walk
away is always there. If it's an
interaction and it's going down in
flames, just walk away. Ultimately,
your time on this earth is short and
that time is valuable. Don't waste it
on shit that isn't going where you
want it to go.
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by OccamsUsername
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LTR Game
Part 1: Maintaining
Frame
by OccamsUsername | December 23,
2013 | Link
You will be the calm. You will be the
calm before the storm, the calm at the
center of the storm, and the calm that
inevitably destroys the storm.
As is often said here in every context
with regard to women, maintaining
frame is crucial to the stability and
enduring attraction in a relationship.
This will be a subjective account of my
thoughts on the topic. If you are
cynical on LTR's or don't desire one
yourself, feel free to move along.
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Otherwise, feedback and discussion is
greatly encouraged.
I'm a big supporter of LTR's for myself.
I've never lacked in success with
women and never had a thick set of
beta traits that hamstrung my goals,
but I also didn't always succeed. Some
of the ways in which I absolutely failed
before was maintaining frame. A man
needs to be perceived as strong and
immovable in what he wants, at all
times, even if this sometimes ruffles
feathers. The discomfort a woman
may experience over your
stubbornness is almost always
temporary but comes down to the
issues you're being stubborn about,
don't be a stubborn jackass over
anything and everything like a
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temperamental child. When your
partner gets a feel for how singleminded you are in procuring and
protecting your genuine interests, she
will eventually link this to your desire
for her. As an aside I wouldn't advise
telling your partner how seriously
dedicated you are to them unless you
also detail the consequences for
shattering your expectations with
things like disrespect, cheating, and
good old mutiny. You are the captain,
and if your crew attempts to subvert
your authority, you will decisively
correct and/or obtain a new crew.
This actually begs a metaphor that I've
enjoyed and may help you understand
relationships a bit better. You are the
captain, and each of your two dozen
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crew members are different aspects of
your partners personality. You
encourage some to work harder,
correct any of them that get out of
line, and you work as a team to
achieve your goals. This said, if there
is a failure in your crew, then you have
failed them in some way. For those
who believe that women have no
honor, are immature in their mindset,
that they can never truly love youthen you should agree with me more
than others who don't. You are 100%
responsible for the ships successes
and failures. If you fail to have a clear
mission, to be seen as a successful
and competent Captain, to look after
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you should not be surprised if you find
yourself vying for control, or they
leave entirely.
As is also often said here, you must
establish an accurate image of what
you want early on in the courtship
process. This usually includes a heavy
emphasis on sexuality as that's
partially a requirement for men who
agree to be tied down even if they
actively seek a long term partner. It's
easy to find a bad relationship with an
unpreferable woman, I'm sure a
majority of us have experienced this,
but it's much different to find an
appropriate or near optimal partner
and be sure she falls in line to the tune
of your desired relationship structure
and goals for it.
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I'm a stoic man, not a lot phases me,
and I find this to be CRUCIAL to
success. Consistently pulling and
keeping your partner inside the frame
of your expectations is great, but
maintaining your own frame is of the
UTMOST. You don't always need to be
leading explicitly or trying to nudge
your partner into compliance, you
need to be put together well enough
on your exterior that she desires to
follow and doesn't need implicit or
explicit nudging to meet your needs
and desires- you want the crew that
wishes to honor all the strength you
show and give to them by association.
Stoicism does not mean you have to
be unemotional, but my expressions
are strictly constrained to positive and
neutral emotional states. Stoicism
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consistently exhibits a quiet strength
that people notice, and it has subtle
effects on the people around me. If
you slip into more neutral behaviors
like being quiet or slightly withdrawn,
it's taken very seriously by people who
respect you because they KNOW by
experience that you're not given to
emotional displays. Without much
expressive effort on your part, your
partner or anyone else who knows you
will begin to think about what may be
going through your mind, and will
often seek to address.
As I said, the biggest way I've failed
before was because of losing my
frame, and dropping my stoicism as
well as my leadership out of weakness
was an enormous hinge to why my
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partners had lost respect for me
because they had come to rely on that
strength. When I stopped exhibiting
only positive and neutral emotions,
this consistently ruined the feeling
that our relationship was a net
positive, she had little patience for the
new contrast. Even if this was not at
all true in an objective sense, the
feeling that I was failing meant I was a
failure. The feeling that I was weak
meant I was weak. The feeling that I
was acting unnecessarily emotional
meant I was unnecessarily emotional.
If, as this sub posits so often, the feels
dictate the actions of women and form
the content of their opinions (see:
rationalization hamster), then anything
she thinks or feels of you is YOUR
responsibility to inform by example.
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Don't think women can be objective?
Then you already accept that EVERY
failure is yours.
You have to be immovable so that she
feels safe when her emotions roam,
and to heed your guidance. She will be
tied to your centered disposition, and
you can always tug her back toward
you to limit her stress and emotional
fallout. I've insinuated myself so well
that I don't have to do much in order
to have this effect on my current
relationship. Something as small as
"Stop it." or "This isn't a big deal" is
enough to encourage my partner to
venture back toward the center, and
reduce negative emotional content. In
my relationship I always get her to
ease up, and to rely on my strength
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and reason to help her every single
time.
Maintaining frame is a dynamic thing,
one can't be told PUA like steps to
making sure you're on the straight and
narrow. There are two primary points I
want you to keep in mind at all times.
TL;DR
You are a man.
You are her captain.
Treat your crew well, but do not
tolerate insubordination. Your behavior
matters first and foremost, you are
100% responsible. Failure anywhere
on the ship is your responsibility. Once
negative behaviors are largely
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curtailed in favor of mutually
constructive actions and respect, you
can navigate and achieve much more
successfully as a unit.
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Part 2: Building the
Foundation
by OccamsUsername | December 31,
2013 | Link
Elements outside your relationship (as
well as within) can assist in creating a
solid interpersonal base which will
ensure the success of your partnering.
However, establishing a weak
foundation will prime your efforts for
critical failure. The quality of materials
you’re working with and more
importantly, how precisely you
measure and calibrate your foundation
all contribute to creating an enduring
relationship.
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This will be a subjective account of my
thoughts on the topic of interpersonal
foundation building. If you are cynical
on LTR's or don't desire one yourself,
feel free to move along. Otherwise,
feedback and discussion are greatly
encouraged.
In this post I'm going to skip over
extended details on screening
candidates ( ie Daddy issues and the
like). I may cover them with more
depth in a later post. I think most of us
know a bad deal when we see one,
and if you don’t think this is true for
you, stay out of LTRs.
Recently you have decided that you
want to build a future, and part of that
vision includes a monogamous
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relationship. Perhaps marriage and/or
children are in the cards for what you
want, but that's immaterial at this
point since we're starting at the
beginning of your story. The tone of
your relationship is determined at a
few critical stages, and most of these
stages occur within the first three
months. At the end of this period is
where you should have enough
information to see if everything (her
personality, temperament, etc) is on a
trajectory you find
acceptable/preferable. You are
building a mutual, interpersonal
foundation where you learn what to
expect from (and what to respect IN)
one another. Early discussions are
crucial part of discovering your
compatibility with one another on
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ideological levels. What is important to
you? Religion? Family? Politics? Your
mission in life? Children? Does she
respect her father, why or why not? I
say this separately and with emphasis
because we can all identify the
importance: Does she in any way
identify as a FEMINIST? Note that
belief in equal legal freedoms is
different from third wave social
change rad-fem nonsense. I may even
go so far as to say that anyone who
knowingly identifies as a feminist
would require a lot of investigation to
find subversive, malignant character
traits, like a distrust or disrespect for
men as a whole. I would also be
suspicious of things like rape hysteria,
and a seeming disinclination toward
more traditional gender roles.
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Similarly, if she had a matriarch as
head of household growing up, or
exhibits any sort of overt battle of the
sexes "girl power" vibes.
During the introductory stages, it's
difficult to get people to be honest, let
alone participate in fully disclosing
their history to you. Women are
usually motivated to gloss over any
situations that paint them in an
undesirable light. I was direct in every
way the last time I was single/spinning
plates. I made sure to detail my
thoughts on men and women,
relationships, marriage, children, as
well as all my desires and intents. If
there is a CORE part of you that you
never want compromised or
disrespected, you must be up front
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before you invest too much time or
effort into any one woman. Hate
feminism? Don't hide it. Disgusted
over legal treatment of men? Don't
hide it. Don't want children or
marriage? Be absolutely explicit, even
if you have to joke a little to take the
pointy bits off of your statements.
Lead with your disclosures in the first
few weeks and months and she will be
more likely to follow suit and share
with you as well.
Hold firm on what you want for your
relationship and for yourself. There are
certain things that you know are
important to you. Do not allow those
values to be changed or belittled by
your partner. Sex is an important
ingredient for a majority of men, and
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why many men find TRP in the first
place. Absent of illness or personal
tragedy, there should not be no
legitimate excuse for a monogamous
LTR partner to cast aside your sexual
needs and desires "just because". If
you find that you’re getting this line of
intent from a partner, make sure they
get curb rash from your thorough
kicking. You have agreed to exclusivity
or marriage, you never agreed to be in
a sexless union. You need to be direct
by any method you think makes your
point clear and ensures the best
reception. You need to be indifferent
regardless of the outcome.
Never tolerate disrespect. Ever. You
won't always make good on this, but
respect should always be one of your
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primary considerations. This will help
to reinforce leadership, feminine
deference, put down shit tests, and
stoke attraction ALL AT THE SAME
TIME. It is an invaluable practice. You
must think on your feet and recognize
when anything is unacceptable, deft
execution won’t always be possible.
You don’t need to be aggressive in any
way, but you must be decisive. You
won't demand respect, but you will
never tolerate disrespect. I can't
inform you on what to do or when to
do it, you must feel this out on your
own and let your standards inform
you. Try never to make negative
emotional displays when addressing
this. Be simple, calm, and direct. Be
firm and fair.
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Saying things in a confident way
implicitly reinforces your status over
the long term, and will imply your
status in the foundation you build with
any woman. You never have to tell a
woman that you are the leader if your
actions imply this and they fall in line.
As long as you do not go about
explicitly stating "I wear the pants,
lul", you have maneuverability and
plausible deniability until the dynamics
are solid. I would advocate calibration
on this, as you want to be the
RECOGNIZED leader on a conscious
level eventually. Bringing your
leadership up for any discussion too
soon can immediately make you look
weak and seem like you’re on the
defensive. When you decide to go
more explicit, you take risks in
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encountering greater fitness testing
that on her part is also much more
explicit. You could go so far as to
actually discuss the desired structure
in abstract, introduce evo psych
concepts you agree with in natural
conversation, and you could even
introduce a partner to something like
RPW or the Captain/First Officer
concept. I took a big risk here and
after carefully screening my
girlfriend’s character, I decided to
blatantly introduce her to TRP and
RPW. It paid off. She actually cried
when she read and understood RPW,
because it matches her mindset so
well, and she'd always felt exhausted
by the struggles in relationships that
were more egalitarian. She had felt
she finally found women who
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understood her, because the
outspoken feminists in her life never
did. Typical feminist shaming was
overwhelmingly common. We’ve
started over/under betting pools for
every feminist we know that gets
married.
Introducing or leading a woman into a
structured relationship can surprise or
rub the hamster the wrong way
initially; this is likely because you're
breaking from common experience as
well as modern societal norms. As
evidenced by the concept of shit tests,
candidates you find worthy of an LTR
may not relent and accept
interpersonal leadership effortlessly.
Effortless deference on her part would
not be a good evolutionary strategy
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for finding strong mates and
discriminating against weaker
partners. I would be wary of a woman
that is too deferential too soon; this
can speak to ulterior motives. I don’t
want to be the man that cried “sperm
jack!”, so consider it a friendly but
grim warning.
Each woman is somewhere different
on a submissive scale as an average
for her personality, but this is
ENTIRELY different from a woman
being submissive to you. How she
treats her equals or men prior to you is
no indicator of how she will acclimate
to your foundation. It takes the right
frame, and a well calibrated and
consistent show of benevolent
dominance to make women feel safe
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in deferring. You can show benevolent
dominance on entirely social levels. Be
sure to always pull your intended
partner onto the foundation that
you're building, the footing she is
afforded should always make her feel
that you are a strong and confident
leader that can provide and protect.
On the subject of protection, I do not
advocate abuse in any context, so do
not mistake me here when I say
physical prowess displays can be
powerful in influencing your partner. In
my current LTR, my girlfriend is quite
tall at 5'11", but since I am relatively
well built it was not a problem to
demonstrate to her that I'm much
stronger than she is by picking her up.
I carried her and placed her where I
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wanted her as a strong but lighthearted gesture. I showed her that I
could handle her. It's not always easy
to find avenues to prove your physical
prowess in typical dating scenarios,
and this method is less effective with
smaller women as they've probably
had the experience before. I am
mentioning this because it is important
that you show her you are capable of
being a strong protector. I would say
that flexing your muscles or asking her
to feel your biceps alone will probably
come off cheesy, unless you're
extremely well built and you don't
mind the possible blow-back from an
obvious "jock move". Wear well fitted
clothing to show your build and always
carry yourself with confidence. If
you're already having sex, showing
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physical prowess is much easier. There
are NUMEROUS ways to show strength
during sexual activities that will get
your partner all a titter.
TL;DR
You are the man.
She is the woman.
Lead by example; be direct in your
desires and display hard limits on your
intended relationship. A show of
strength is helpful, but not always
needed. Confident execution of your
opinions and desires will filter out
women who are unwilling to live in a
structure you wish for your
relationship. You will see and discard
unacceptably red flagged candidates.
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Behaviorally unsuitable women take
care of themselves by shit testing their
way out of your life. Be unrelenting,
you have outcome independence. If
your current focus isn’t working, then
perhaps the next will. She learns how
to treat you by your earliest
experiences together. You must be the
recognized leader, and perhaps
someday she'll call you Captain. The
only pedestal she deserves is the
foundation you want to build.
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Part 3: Unicorn Hunter
Checklist
by OccamsUsername | January 3, 2014
| Link
Make no mistake. There is no myth
here. The designation of Unicorn given
for what amounts to "an ideal woman
for relationships" may be quite rare,
but they exist. More importantly I find
the expectation around TRP that
perfectly formed and preferable
women just aren't in supply is
relatively accurate and should be
assumed ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
Unicorns are not born and remain
perfect, they are fostered and
developed. First, and ideally, by their
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environment during early childhood to
early adulthood, and a rare woman is
likely snapped up and kept by a high
value man early on, realistically
reducing the existing and available
Unicorn section of the sexual
marketplace to what you should
consider N/A. This, however, does not
mean you cannot foster a more
preferable partner from a woman who
is less than ideal. She takes her cues
from you. Consider what you show
potential candidates and how you lead
them before you conclude Unicorns
aren't attainable. This post will focus
on raw qualities that can make an
enduring relationship.
This will be a subjective account of my
thoughts on the subject on the elusive
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Unicorn. What to look for as natural
character traits you can foster, and
use as signs that someone may be
worthy of your time investment. If you
are cynical on LTR's or don't desire
one yourself, feel free to move along.
Otherwise, feedback and discussion
are greatly encouraged.
I'd like to start with a quote from
/u/PhantomDream09 who frequents
RPW.
I fully believe that any woman
can become receptive to a
Captain/First Mate dynamic
with the right man. It is all
about building a foundation
and setting expectations.
Occam never asked "this is
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what I think, is it all right?" I
either had to fall in line or get
out, but the way he did it
never made me feel pushed
or bullied. It was more like
gently coaxing an injured bird
closer to you with food so you
can mend its wing.
This hints to something very
significant. Women these days are not
as adjusted to interpersonal leadership
as they once were, which I find to be a
very natural dynamic. In fact, as we
know, Western culture has a disdain
for most behavioral masculinity. Your
average Joe is expected to yield for
"social awareness" that don't benefit
him in any direct way, and your Joe's
are typically miseducated about how
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to handle attraction, women, love, and
the like. This is widely spoken of on
this sub, but it gives us a solid base to
say that BOTH sexes are given a lot of
misinformation about what would be
effective, rewarding, and sustainable.
The information has been lost or
forgotten to the public consciousness,
and other than attaining information
from a mentor or places like TRP, we
try and repeatedly fail to understand
why our education hasn't matched up
with reality. Women are as
miseducated as men about what is
effective and what they should want.
The delusion is pervasive, and any
woman won't fully know she wishes for
a strong leader until she feels this
leadership first hand, and that's your
job. You are a Captain. It's your job to
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inspire loyalty, trust, and devotion.
The "natural Unicorn" has these
things, but they can otherwise be
developed in a good, reasonable
woman. I'm not suggesting you snatch
up an attractive feminist shrew (a sort
of Unicorn in its own right) and expect
good results, but I'd be stunned to see
the transition and result. This would be
TRP on Nightmare mode and would be
worthy of... So. Many. Field reports.
Working on the understanding that
both sexes are generally taught poorly
on what to expect and how to act, it's
your job to first filter out a good
woman, and encourage her to be
great, to inspire her to rise to a level
where you would never willingly hand
her over, or prefer spinning plates to
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running a ship with her.
Some criteria to look for in a good
woman would be:
Low partner count
This is talked about a lot, and for good
reason. This number is never an
absolute certainty, but you need to
trust what seems like a trustworthy
woman. Her other interactions with
you will verify how honest she is in
other arenas. If she's willing to lie over
something meaningless, then you
should not think she isn't willing to lie
on the partner count. This ideal can
differ depending on age, but let's use
a guideline of "Single Digits" as a
standard for a woman who is midtwenties. We have to understand that
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the climate we live in will influence
women into having sex, perhaps too
early or with what you may consider
too many partners. If you find a
woman as described above who has
had sex with, say, less than 5
partners- I would call that ideal.
Predominantly LTR's
Most of (ideally, all) the sex your
intended has had should have been
within the context of an actual
relationship, with some form of
commitment.
Sex
Look, I know this will be a hard one.
Women who respect themselves and
their futures just won't want to put out
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too soon. This does not mean they're
controlling you or that they'll never
give up the ghost. It's your job to push
the boundaries as well, and most
women expect the man to make the
moves. I have been capable of
acquiring sex and decided not to.
Being too aggressive, too early, can
spook the unicorn. You're in this for a
relationship, not for instant
gratification. Control yourself, evaluate
the situation evenly, and INTUIT her
pace, do not let her absolutely dictate
or schedule. Make your move when
you feel it's right, but don't go for the
whole act all on the first opportunity.
This will show that you respect her
boundaries while she's also honoring
your intentions. If she is resistant too
long, she may be not that into you, or
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worse, she has hangups about sex in
general. Regardless, the latter can be
true and you can still do your job of
attraction so well that you assist her in
ridding herself of her boundaries, but
only with you.
Diet and Fitness
Ideally, she should show that she
respects herself, her health, and her
attractiveness.
Strong, positive relationship with
her father
When she talks about her father,
watch her body language. Look for
positive cues. Ask about things she
and her father did when she was
growing up. Find out if her father was
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more of a leader rather than an
egalitarian or supplicant member in
the marriage. Ask how her mother fit
into the picture. Find out if she was
more concerned on what her father
thought over her mother. Divorce is a
tricky one here, as that can cause all
kinds of complications in younger
children, but she could still have a
more than healthy respect for her
father.
Empathy
This can best be seen if she talks
about any negative situation
organically. Secondarily, if she seems
to have empathy (or even sympathy)
for men as a whole, this is a strong
indicator that she won't resent you for,
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you know, just being a man.
Tendency toward traditional
gender roles
This also should be fairly self evident.
This lends itself to the precise
structure you desire as Captain.
Crafty
Not in the shifty eyes sort of way.
Maybe she quilts, likes to draw, enjoys
making things. Sewing, quilting, fabric
toys, whatever. Things that you would
identify as a creative hobby she
engages in for fun and personal
(rather than professional) reward. Big
bonus if it's something you consider
feminine in nature.
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Respectful
Observe how she talks to you about
strangers when you're together, or
how she talks directly to people in
service positions like waitstaff. If she
has disdain or entitlement when
dealing with strangers or employees of
any establishment, she's giving you a
clear warning.
Interested
A lot of men talk too much, or not
enough. You need to seed
conversation, and branch logically to
get a dialog going. When you're
talking, observe how she holds eye
contact with you. The first few dates (if
it's going well) her eyes will be
wrapped in attraction for you. You
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need to observe as things move
forward the way in which she pays
attention to you when you speak.
Interruptions can be a sign she's
excited and wants to chirp something
back at you eagerly, but derailing you
or changing the subject or other
evasions shows that she may not
respect you enough, even if what
you're saying is outside her knowledge
and experience. Address as necessary,
but be calm and kind. This all boils
down to basic politeness for both
herself and you.
Positive game
Unicorn candidates aren't likely to be
receptive to disruptive game, like
negging. It may have the desired
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effect to create attraction, but there is
a big difference between insults and
teasing. If you need to get into
disruptive game, make it light and
brief. You're setting a foundation for
her. She should be more receptive to
positive game, like amused mastery.
She should be receptive to confidence,
but no so much to cockiness. Since
you are setting the stage for all future
expectations, do you really want to
have a woman attracted to you
because you can be an asshole? Is
that the type of woman you want for
yourself?
Eager to please
If you're doing your attraction job
right, she should be very eager to
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spend time with you. Try not to play
the slow game with attention, you
need to balance your behaviors and
calibrate what type of leader you think
a stable and happy woman wants
most. Perhaps she offers to pay for a
meal and/or split the bill. Consider if
you'll allow this or not up front, I did
not allow it but clearly demonstrated
my appreciation. After a few dates, if
she brings you a token of some kind,
this is a big indicator.
Conservative values
These can be a plus. I am neither
conservative nor liberal. I find women
that had a semi-conservative
household growing up helps to instill
more constructive ideals for young
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women.
Religion
Moderate religious upbringings can be
in line with being raised in a
moderately conservative household.
This helps to instill values. Though I
was raised Catholic and now no longer
have any faith, I can say that many
values have stuck with me, and the
initial structure actually encouraged
me to expand my personal values
beyond this. The same can apply for
women.
Introversion
Being more introverted than
extroverted means that a person is
less likely to gain a lot of validation
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from others, and is less likely to be an
attention seeker. Your mileage may
vary, but in my experience,
extroversion can lead to a lot of
problems that get the hamster to spin
up.
Responsibility
This is difficult to investigate, but find
out about her background. If she did
well in school with her grades, this
shows responsibility. As does
adherence to work expectations,
fulfilling personal responsibilities to
family and friends, and honoring your
requests or expectations that she's
agreed to.
Slight to moderate OCD
tendencies
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When a attraction is established, and
commitment follows, you begin to
establish routine with her. The more a
woman has tendencies toward what I'd
consider functional and healthy levels
of OCD, the more she will adopt
structures you set. If you're consistent,
she will WANT to fulfill what you set
forth.
Edit to address nonsense: I'm in no
way addressing clinical OCD here, I
believe this was evident from my
description. I'm simply addressing a
predilection toward and pleasure in
structures and patterns, not absurd
behavior like toggling the lights eight
times when entering a room or
washing ones hands until they bleed. If
you really had to have this explained,
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you are an idiot.
Typical feminine anxiety
Somewhere around average for
women, maybe a little more, maybe a
little less. This trait can be in your
favor. If she is given to worry, and
cares about you, she is given to
thinking about you more often than a
woman who is not anxious at all.
Edit to address nonsense: Obviously I
said typical feminine anxiety, not
clinical anxiety.
Demure fashion sense
If she respects herself and is not
advertising sex every which way, she's
going to dress conservatively. Think
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classy, but well fitting, and feminine.
Note: These are all behaviors that you
evaluate her to have without
significant structure or an enduring
relationship with you, these are raw
materials to make building a
partnership easier, more ideal, or
more stable.
I encourage people to post additional
insights on what they consider to be
traits a man should look for in a good
woman. These should be traits that
foster a relationship, how she views
her Captain, or how she may grow in a
trajectory you would not find
sustainable and preferable.
TL;DR
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I can't help you this time. The wall of
text has spoken.
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Part 4: Positive
Masculinity
by OccamsUsername | January 8, 2014
| Link
This will be a subjective account of my
thoughts on the topic of Positive
Masculinity. If you are cynical on LTR's
or don't desire one yourself, feel free
to move along. Machiavellianists
should also skip this thread; I am
disclosing details on the benevolent
Patriarch for greater relationship
harmony and overall life quality. This
post is about setting conditions and
exhibiting traits that encourage people
to behave themselves, and honor you
in turn, not pervasive and
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unscrupulous exertion of control.
Otherwise, feedback and discussion
are greatly encouraged.
As the Captain, you must establish
that you act as the map, compass, and
sextant for your ship. Your intuition is
sharper than any equipment. You have
clarity of vision, and calm that
dominates all storms. You are firm,
fair, and patient, but you never
compromise your mission or your
dignity to achieve goals. You are
worthy of the trust you expect to be
given, and you earn respect without
seeking it.
Outer value is discussed a lot on TRP,
and I agree it’s quite important to be
fit and professionally successful in
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order to leverage a better quality of
woman, but you must have inner
strength to match this to lend stability
and happiness to a dedicated long
term relationship.
Positive Masculinity could also be
thought of as being simply “a good
man”. Being “good” could be seen as
either a strong, composed man who
does right by those he cares for and
interacts with, or verge on areas that
lack self respect, like displaying
supplicating beta behavioral traits.
Usually I find that a man of strong
character that is also regarded as
good is called “a good man”, and a
man of weak character that is also
good is called “a good guy”. “Good
guy” is also used impersonally a lot, as
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though calling someone a “good man”
is a higher, more personal
compliment. This appears to be
subconsciously applied, and it seems
as though using the term "guy" within
this context implies something softer
than being a man. Many men have
either the instincts or the conditioning
to be “a (supplicating) good guy”. This
(in part or in whole) is what gets them
rejected, emotionally abused,
disrespected, or betrayed by women.
You must transition from guy to man.
Your mission is priority one, your selfrespect and dignity are priority two,
your first mate is priority three. Never
forget this.
We commonly regard traits that
increase women's attraction to be
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"alpha". I recognize how dark triad
traits can imply status and stoke fires
in the feminine nature, but your
primary concern as Captain is not pure
attraction. You must inspire loyalty
and confidence so that you can lead
effectively and decisively. This post
will focus on a hierarchy of sorts. I’ll be
detailing internal traits that feed into
practices and practices as they relate
to game concepts. This is by no means
complete, and I advocate adapting any
information here to who you are, or
who you wish to be. This is a core list
of neutral or beneficent attributes I
have employed to encourage the
growth and success of my
monogamous relationships, my social
connections, and my professional life.
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Masculinity in general is discouraged
in our society. One thing I don't see
often talked about is positive
masculinity, which I find to be my
general state of being. There is
strategic advantage in never having to
go into a negative realm to deal with
problems. Often all I need to do to
address behaviors or express
discontent is a brief silence or a stern
gaze. These are my primary
"weapons" when dealing with people
who know me, because they have
already learned to respect me. If I was
in a less civil situation, I would have to
embrace some negative actions and
traits, but this is only in the case of
dire emergency. If my first mate were
to be threatened by unavoidable
violence, I would become a different
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person temporarily as fight instincts
kicked in. Composure is for your dayto-day success, and is used to avoid
danger whenever possible, but it won’t
solve the issue of physical aggressors.
Women that have well adjusted
relationships with their father figure
will relate the fondness of this
experience to positive masculinity.
Women that have poor relationships
with their father figures will relate this
experience to more disruptive game.
Maladjusted women make
relationships volatile because where
they should have a strong, positive
influence in their life filled by a
paternal figure, they have nothing
constructive. The have only tragedy,
abandonment, and/or scars (perhaps
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maternally fabricated) in regards to
father figures, and they carry that
darkness inside of them, always.
Positive masculinity is applicable in
nearly every aspect of your life, with
almost no need for changing your aura
of authority or your expressions. It can
cover friendships, family relations,
intimate connections, and your
professional life. You need not even
change your attitude for superiors in
the workplace, because you are in no
way displaying your status and values
in a disruptive manner. When these
traits are embraced and displayed
consistently, you needn't change your
social tact contextually.
By displaying positive masculinity,
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you're displaying character,
attractiveness, and leadership without
having to engage in a bevy of
contradictory methods that include a
mixture of positive and negative
practices.
Positive Masculinity LTR Constants
Game concept Practice Primary traits
Descriptive Body
Extremes to avoid:
Above is the format each of the
descriptions that follow. Here is a
chart to help visualize the connections
I intend
A lot of these items supplement one
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another, are interrelated, or the traits
that support the practice and game
concept are more diverse than listed. I
wanted to make a simple, easy to
understand model and in some places
I’ve kept it intentionally simple. The
overall message is what should shine
through, and be understood by men
interested in Positive Masculinity.
Outcome Independence Stoicism
Calm Strength
Never tolerate disrespect; you are
always willing to move on.
You don't need her. Your first mate is
value added to your life, you find her
to be an ideal choice and someone you
embrace because you work well
together, but you don't need her and
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she should be aware of this on some
level. You do not put her above
yourself or your mission in life. You
can show all manner of love and
kindness, but this does not mean you
should make her into a fulcrum of your
happiness. If things turn south or she
becomes unacceptably different,
perhaps she adopts persistent
disrespect or commits betrayal, your
first step is to explain your thoughts. If
there is no change in behavior or
practices you find unacceptable you
drop her with swift, resolute selfrespect. When she knows and
remembers this, she knows that she
has to tow the line or you'll simply
move on to something that is better
for you. You are the concern with this
practice, not her. This balances out all
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manner of other supportive items in
this outline, because your self-respect
is never to be compromised.
Stoicism is a good way to think of
Outcome Independence, regardless of
the reasons that lead you to the act.
You are not moved by negative
outcomes, you are unconcerned about
your decisions possibly being right or
wrong because you always make
choices to the best of your knowledge
and to greatest mutual (sometimes
self) benefit. Recognizing failure
means you have the potential to learn
from a mistake, and you will adapt.
Extreme negatives: Petulant
ultimatums, indifference to your first
mates condition, negative emotional
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flairs.
Amused Mastery Nonchalance
Knowing Calm
You've seen it all before; you disarm,
defuse, or display experience with a
knowing smile.
Your first mate qualifies herself to you,
not the other way around. Your inner
stance is that you are wiser to the
ways of the world, and it can be
charming to see her retread steps
you've already taken in former
opinion, in life choices, or even in
thought. You have foresight and it’s
always enjoyable to walk alongside her
as she begins to understand or figure
out what you already know, what you
already see, and what you've already
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decided to do. The phrase “I know.”
With a wry grin works wonders here.
Nonchalance and Amused Mastery go
hand in hand, they're fairly well
synonymous. You have a positive
indifference. Flashing a knowing smile,
laugh softly, maybe a light sigh. Your
smile, brief laughter, and maybe even
a light dismissal can show status and
an "I've seen all this before" attitude.
Extreme negatives: Impatience,
mercurial sensitivities, emotional overinvestment with external criticism,
patronizing impertinence, reductive
and insulting criticisms.
Frame Decisiveness Consistent
Knowledge
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Never tolerate detected bullshit; none
can compromise your sense of self.
This is your world. This is your life. You
pursue your mission. You have built
the foundation on which both you and
your first mate operate, and your
stance must be firm. There is no time
for weakness, weakness in your
expressions or your decisions is not an
opportunity, do not delude yourself.
You will make mistakes, but your true
opportunity is in leadership, not in
failure. You will keep things directed
and along the lines you determine
prudent. Your first mate wants a
Captain. I would speculate that all
women want a leader in their lives
unless they have some serious
problems or severe, destructive
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conditioning. It is a natural state.
Frame is the most important element
of being a Captain. They story
premise, the cadence, the prose, and
the metaphors (also the euphemisms,
nudge-nudge) are all yours. She is a
participant on your stage. Always
remember that you can course
correct, but if anything takes a
significant or sharp turn, you may be
dooming yourself to failure. You must
have solid ideas for who you are and
what you want before you enter into a
leadership role. How your First Mate
gets to know you and who she begins
to love, this is who she’ll always want
in essence, and ideally you’ll just
improve upon your strengths and
diminish your weaknesses from there
forth.
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MAINTAIN. FRAME.
Extreme negatives: Compromising
your ethics, accommodating another’s
mission at the expense of your own,
inconsistent character.
Internalization Mental muscle
memory Brave Consistency
Practice self-discipline at all times; you
are in a constant state of selfrefinement.
The means to success with all other
traits outlined here requires practice
and self-discipline. Mastery over
oneself, the ability for you to maintain
control of yourself, and your
expressions is powerful. Always doing
and saying precisely what you mean
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can be a difficult thing. You should live
without apology, but only when you
know that your actions are calibrated
and just. You must do right by those
you care for and love. Change is hard
on the individual, and the practice of
changing oneself is even harder. It’s
been said better before, and I hold this
as a personal mantra, so I’ll conclude
with a quote.
“We are, each of us, largely
responsible for what gets put into our
brains, for what, as adults, we wind up
caring for and knowing about. No
longer at the mercy of the reptile
brain, we can change ourselves. Think
of the possibilities.” –Carl Sagan
I reiterate a crucial summary: Be
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brave. Be consistent.
Extreme negatives: Laziness,
complacency, any thought that leads
you to thinking you are done evolving
in your role as a man and Captain.
Confidence Rectitude Integral
Bravery
Your benevolent intentions and actions
reinforce your certitude; you are right
and just.
Because you know that you're
constantly doing your best, you should
always be confident in your decisions.
Gather all the information you can
when there's an important decision to
be made, and trust your instincts
otherwise if you need to rely on reflex
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in any circumstance. You won't always
be right, but you should always be
confident. Failures will happen, but
unless you've failed in any of the key
tenants outlined here, you should feel
assured that you're deciding on and
building a future with your first mate
to the best of your capacity at any
given moment.
Confidence is a major cornerstone of
all game, as it’s a cornerstone marker
of attraction for women and makes
you internally self-sufficient. You know
your worth and it reinforces you from
moment to moment.
Extreme negatives: Insecurity, overt
and disruptive cockiness, narcissistic
superiority, externalizing worth.
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Captain/First Officer Leadership
Strong Integrity
Your strength and ability inspires
others to follow you; you are a leader.
You want a woman to be submissive,
and to support your vision for yourself.
For a woman that is not naturally
submissive in expression or when
relating to men prior to you, this is
most easily achieved by displaying
leadership attributes. Always
remember that wants are different
than needs, and not all wants should
be met. Her valid emotional needs,
however, must always be. Maintain
clarity of vision and execute plans
after hearing what your First Officer
has to say about it. If you have
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internalized righteous traits, there
should not be risks of power abuse on
your part. You love, support, and guide
your first mate to the best of your
ability. You would sabotage your own
happiness with her if you were to
abuse your power, discard her needs,
or to make the relationship entirely
self-centric. There is a big difference
between not tolerating bullshit, and
engaging in selfish bullshit.
Fair leadership requires strength and
integrity, if you are to establish
harmony and a well working team.
Leadership is an opportunity as well as
a burden. You are enabled to pursue
goals and objectives, but you shoulder
all responsibility for failure, and share
all victories. You are responsible for
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everything, never forget that.
Extreme negatives: Tyranny, callous
disdain to input, unadulterated
selfishness.
None of this means you have to be
something like a priest or a White
Knight™. I have a wicked and
deplorable sense of humor in person
(as a for instance), and it’s
entertaining to be disruptive with that
at times. I promote calibrated
approaches to all of these things,
there are no hard and fast rules about
the degree of each of these items. You
learn, do, adapt, and become.
However, these items of Positive
Masculinity should be undercurrents to
all the relationships you have as it will
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be the base of all other
understandings of you as a person,
and certify that others think of you as,
truly, “a good man”.
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Part 5: Love and
Power
by OccamsUsername | February 4,
2014 | Link
For Men: Love tempers power
I've never seen or heard of a happy
matriarch with a happy, supplicating
husband. Love, it seems, does not
thrive long term when a woman is
given power, and this consideration is
thrown out immediately as a viable
strategy. Contrast this with "50/50" or
"equality-based" relationships, and
what you have built in is a systematic
struggle for control, waged by one or
both partners depending on the
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context at hand. They both tend to
seek what it is they want, and seek to
impose that on their mutual structure.
This leads to a lot of unnecessary
strife, indecision, unhappiness, and a
constant, vague sense of who may be
temporarily or contextually wearing
"the pants", so to speak. Since, as we
have seen, the efforts to be equal and
lacking an acknowledged hierarchy is
fraught with negative possibilities, we
here at TRP know better than to fall in
that trap. This is why I support the
Captain/First Officer model first and
foremost.
As the Captain, love hones the greater
instincts of your leadership. Love can
make you too weak, it can bring you
low and pitiful if you do not have
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mastery over yourself, but when well
calibrated, a woman will feel a
hopeless gravity toward your love
tempered leadership.
Every man is on a spectrum of his
instincts to bond, and to protect. This
is in concert and in contrast to the
instincts to lead and acquire. When a
man both loves and leads a woman,
both sets of instincts are brought to
bear, and love tempers your
leadership.
Love naturally rolls downhill. Men love
women, women love children. Love
flowing upwards requires more strict
conditions, namely respect. You must
understand that the responsibility to
love, and the capacity of others' ability
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to respect you have the same origin.
You. You are responsible for sending
love down this hierarchy and giving
women what they need. You also must
be a respectable man, giving an
avenue for reverence to flow upward,
and for deference to resonate into
shape alongside her respect. You must
generate conditions where both are
possible. If you cannot be respected,
then you cannot be loved. If you
cannot give love, then you don't
deserve the respect of your first
officer.
You earn respect by being a good
man, showing strong leadership, by
putting your mission in life first on
your list of priorities. You give love by
showing preference, providing,
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guiding, protecting, and making the
best possible decisions you can in
every context. You seek to do right by
your first officer, always looking to the
long term.
Imagine a child for a moment. Imagine
this child has absolutely zero respect
for its parents. Now, imagine how this
child acts toward and treats its
parents. Can you imagine a single
scenario in which a child with zero
respect for its parents can actually
display or feel love toward them? If
your child never respects you, it will
never even have the OPPORTUNITY to
love you, and this is the fault of the
parent. This is precisely the same for
women who establish a relationship
with men. Respect is the foundation
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for a woman's love and attraction
toward any man. She will never truly
respect you if your relationship
revolves around deference toward her.
She will never truly respect you if she
leads, and you expect her love to roll
downhill onto you with any degree of
beneficence. A woman who manages
to love you when she has asserted
herself as leader will treat you like a
child first, and a partner second. This
is why not respecting men is easy in
this sort or relationship organization.
Most people take no issue with lying to
children or withholding the truth from
them. "It's for their own good" most
rationalize.
If you do manage to find (or
accidentally make) a woman who does
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not need your leadership and your
frame control to "love" you, then
you've effectively found a woman who
doesn't need you. A woman who
doesn't need you will show this, and if
you're not already out of consideration
for sex or continuing a relationship,
mutiny is in the cards.
If you are a woman and you are
reading this, I just want to explain that
you need to drop the NAWALT
mentality. You are not a special
snowflake and the concepts of women
discussed here should be taken as
valid, especially with concern to
yourself. Understanding and
controlling your nature to greatest self
benefit will do more for your than
resting on your laurels as you sit in
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denial of reality. You kneecap
yourselves by misunderstanding what
natural factors act on you. Men are
raised to beat back a great number of
their instincts by their family and
society. Men are aggressive, men are
much more overt in seeking sex, men
engage in overt (rather than
subversive) intrasex competition much
more often than women, and men are
given to acquire means to
benevolently provide resources and
skills for not just themselves, but for
their families. As an example: men are
naturally aggressive, but there are a
number of fairly stringent
consequences that exist for indulging
in our more basal, violent natures. For
women, the majority of their natures
are actually excused, taken to be
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empowering, or encouraged on a case
by case basis. As a woman, knowledge
of some of your underlying
frameworks can help you prevent
problems in your own life and assist in
securing long term interpersonal
happiness. If you compete with or
confront a man long enough, he will
treat you (in all the negative ways) like
a man. No man wants to do this with a
woman he loves. No man wants to
compete and debate with what is
supposed to be his supporter,
cheerleader, and lifelong ally.
Women have more fluid morality.
Women are more emotional on the
whole. Women are not encouraged on
a social level to temper their natures
for the sake of love and stability.
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Women cannot be trusted as leader
interpersonally, too much can go
wrong and there are innumerable
ways they can unknowingly sabotage
the happiness of both partners due to
their natures, much to their own
confusion and discontent. I've seen so
many of these examples in my own life
and TRP has been rife with them over
the history of the sub. Summarizing
observed patterns with "Welp, people
are shitty" is disingenuous,
unconstructive, and exhibits palpable
denial. Women become destructive
and act shitty instinctually because
they're not getting what they want or
need out of a relationship. When a
woman leads her man, this does not
help her to feel safe, it does not add to
her comfort. In fact, this exposes HER
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to things she otherwise would be
insulated from by being second in
command and not the leader.
As Captain, your relationship happens
on your terms, and this explicit
realization gives you the GREATEST
advantage in mate retention. Most
men stumble about blindly, and
wonder why they can't attract a
woman. Those who do manage to
attract a woman, they tend to stumble
about blindly inside of a relationship,
and eventually the patience of their
woman wears thin, and abandonment
or betrayal is not far behind. Once
there is a critical slip and you begin to
establish habitual patterns of
destructive behavior to your mutual
foundation or your own frame,
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consider yourself to have 5-10% of the
total duration of your relationship (up
to this point) to correct and reestablish
leadership. If you've been together for
three years, you have around two
months minimum before there could
be irrevocable damage and the
realization that there's been a
dynamic change can (and very likely
will) result in mutiny.
TL;DR You must encourage her to put
you first in the hierarchy, and to show
you respect on all levels.
Women and men alike, remember,
there is no silver lining to The Red Pill
itself. The silver lining doesn't come in
the information we provide, it comes
in knowing how to live a more
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successful life, and how to cultivate
stable, healthy, rewarding
relationships.
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Part 6: Egalitarianism
and Ownership
by OccamsUsername | March 12, 2014
| Link
I don't want disharmony in my
intimate relationships. Neither party
benefits from conditions that create
negativity, nobody benefits from
frictional struggle against one another
in any kind of relationship, and
intimate relationships don't benefit
from a woman’s reluctance to follow.
Egalitarianism does not create
harmony, it creates discord unless
both parties always perfectly agree on
every decision, and this is impossible.
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Most relationships, due to modern
societal urging, begins with a
foundation of egalitarianism. This is
not an ideal arrangement for many
reasons. If a man relents power to
“equality” at the very foundation, this
creates a "level playing field". Women
instinctually love a level playing field
because when a power gap is closed
between them and men, they have a
much easier time of wresting control
from whatever system they're a part
of. They won't fight for superiority at
the outset of any struggle. Superiority
for them is a subtle, long term plan
using indirect aggression and
subversive means. They will, however,
fight for "equality" even if they don't
realize it's not what they want. You
need to show your woman that she
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does not want what she thinks she
wants. The pretty, idealistic lie of
egalitarianism does not work within
intimate relationships.
My basis with most friends and peers
is one of egalitarianism, and this is for
many beneficial reasons. If we
disagree, or if we have different plans,
it is effortless and never considered
disrespectful (by anyone, ever, on any
level) to go and do as we see fit
separately. There is little to no fallout
or struggle in seeking what we want.
When we align, great. When we don't,
that's fine too. The arrangement is one
of pure mutual interest or fun, and our
life decisions are never expected to be
altered to suit the needs of friends. We
are never urged to act against our self
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interest, and the best friendships
operate on giving mutually where and
when each individual feels it’s
appropriate. Long term, monogamous
relationships with or without
cohabitation do not work this way.
Within intimate Egalitarianism, there
are always situational winners, and the
more your woman wins out over you,
the less she is likely to respect you
over the long term. In most
relationships there are often struggles
on what to do, and how to do it. The
idea or reality of “compromise” is only
acceptable and beneficial to you both
if you've arrived at that juncture with
the final say, and it was 100% your
decision. Doing otherwise submits to
her whims, and admits to her power
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over your decision making on some
level. “No” should not be part of her
vocabulary with you. You listen to her
concerns, and decide for greatest
mutual benefit or need, never her
strict wants. Egalitarianism fails many
when employed within an LTR on this
very persistent level alone. It creates
disharmonious situations
systematically.
Remember that delegation of tasks or
responsibilities still places you in a
position of dominance, even if you are
admitting to a measure of her
superiority in a skillset. If you
determine that your woman’s skillset
is indeed superior in an area, and
you’ve found her advisement to be
superior to your own understandings
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when you’ve made decisions in the
past, elect to delegate responsibilities
to her that are best matched to her
abilities that you recognize as
outstripping your own. Otherwise,
delegating responsibilities using
“traditional gender role” as a guideline
can be a good, reflexive tool to make
sure that you continue to show
authority, and you’re both acting
appropriately. I do the heavy lifting, I
set up and fix anything electronic, I
make structural changes to the
apartment, and I put together
furniture. I plan and execute
enhancements that I deem as being
beneficial to one or both of us. When a
man does “manly” things of his own
accord, and with an interest in
maintaining either your own nest the
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nest you’re both a part of, it shows
investment while clearly staying in a
masculine role.
Staying in your masculine role gives
her the tingles. Something as simple
as putting together a piece of furniture
or reconfiguring a room has quite
excited my woman in the past. She
feels in these moments that you are
capable, and it shows initiative on your
part. You have a result to show for
your efforts. The same applies to
working out or consistently treating
her as a sexual object with things like
innuendo and ass slapping. She
becomes the object of your sexual
interest, and women love to be treated
benevolently as a sexual object by
men their attracted to.
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My woman is my subordinate, but
more importantly, my woman is my
object. Detractors may think that a
truly strong Captain/First Officer
arrangement is dangerous or harmful,
rather than natural and mutually
rewarding. They’re wrong on all levels.
I maintain control of my woman and
our lives to be sure that we’re both on
a track that rewards us, and harms
neither. If I were to go too far in any
behavior that others could legitimately
term as dangerous/harmful, I could
undermine all the investments I have
made in her. If I were to consistently
do anything less than what she needs,
and to benevolently decide to give her
what she wants (not what she merely
thinks she wants) when appropriate, I
endanger the relationship. I have to
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know her better than she knows
herself. I have to interpret and act
dynamically. Reading non-verbal
communication is key to doing so, and
learning any individual woman’s habits
and predilections is a journey unto
itself.
I have a defined sense of ownership,
as do many men. We all have our pet
interests, hobbies, and property. The
things good men care about, we treat
well and with respect. Why wouldn’t
we? It’s our property. We expend time,
energy, and resources to responsibly
foster both the investment in the
property and bolster our personal
enjoyment. Egalitarian women expect
all the benefits of a man with a SENSE
of ownership toward them without any
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of the structure and responsibility to
the man who considers himself her
owner. Like feminism, they expect all
the benefits of being a woman (leaning
on our strengths, access to our
resources) and of being a man (being
given power, being paid deference to)
within this context.
Women are not objects, but my
woman is my object. My woman is my
property. She is the object of my
affection, my time, my sexuality, my
trust, and my resources. She earns
this with her role, her behavior, her
deference, and her respect. She is my
treasured investment, and though I
have all the power, I have every
reason to never abuse my power.
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Part 7: Permission and
Privilege
by OccamsUsername | June 5, 2014 |
Link
As Captain, you do indeed have many
privileges, but you also have a lot of
responsibilities with respect to both
parties. In fact, you have taken on
these responsibilities eagerly,
recognizing how important it is for you
to be the one to take the reigns. You
control your own expressions, the
direction of the relationship, your First
Mate’s emotional well being, and
many other elements. You seek or
have been given these privileges so
that you can be an effective leader,
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and to provide for the interests of both
parties. One responsibility you may
not have considered is providing
permission to your woman for the
things she wants that are valid and for
the things she may not know that she
wants that are also valid, not to
mention mutually beneficial.
Women need permission to feel like
they’re making the right decisions.
They can get this from family, religion,
social institutions, the herd, etc. This
can take the form of encouragement,
or obtaining yes-men/women to agree
with whatever nonsense they THINK
they want. Without proper direction
from a man who loves and is
responsible for her, a woman is as
likely as not to want things deleterious
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to her happiness.
Permission in a female only social
climate where decisions (or opinions)
are being made takes the form of
consensus. Consensus on larger scales
has a tyranny of the majority bent to
it, and feminism very much capitalizes
on this process. Consensus and
shaming have been used to close
power or “privilege” gaps between
men and women. This persistent
consensus installs the shrieking herd
in many a feminine brain (both men
and women, more on this later) to give
permission to women to do practically
whatever they want without regard to
consequences. Any backlash is termed
to be oppression or sexism. Any
suggestion that women take
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precaution and engage in defensive
decision making is termed victim
blaming. This is a digression, but bears
mentioning.
As the leader in your relationship, you
provide valuable functions for your
woman. Something many of them
don’t know until shown is that they
want your permission. You may have
experienced this with prior sexual
partners, many women are afraid of
sex or of men. You can open a woman
up sexually by showing her it’s not a
bad thing to enjoy sex, be sexual with
you, or to provide for your sexual
desires. This permission you give her
is powerful to her, and useful to you.
This can also happen with virgins, and
part of why they can be so stuck on
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their first sexual partner. They are
given permission to enjoy all the
things male sexuality brings them.
Primarily: emotional desirability,
physical pleasure, and psychological
approval. Whether these things are
true or not are irrelevant, it’s what
they feel that matters as feelings will
overthrow logical processes when
they’re strong enough.
You must be responsible with both
your own privileges and your
dispensation of permission. You should
not be giving permission to your
woman to engage in behaviors that
would undermine your relationship.
You should always give her permission
to do things that you find are neutral
or positive to the happiness of both
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partners.
Ask yourself the following questions,
and figure out if you should EVER be
giving her permission explicitly or
implicitly:
Why, precisely, is it a good idea
to let her spend “alone time”
with another male?
How does her unfettered
complaints and emotional
ravings about something you
consider a non-issue a benefit to
either of you?
Why should she ever speak
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disrespectfully toward you, in
any context?
Ask yourself questions like these if
your bullshit alarm seems a bit fuzzy,
especially while in an emotionally
heated moment. Taking a moment to
think, and composing yourself will not
look like weakness of any sort as long
as you are decisive following this. Take
this moment to think so you can be
sure of what you decide, but
remember that inaction when she is
having a fit or engaging in destructive
behavior could always be morphed
into implicit permission. Set your
boundaries and enforce them, part of
making sure that your boundaries are
respected is that you never provide
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her with anything close to permission
for them, she should think of your
stance on things you consider
important to be black and white, grey
leaves room for consensus. Since a
congress of women doesn't live in your
head, you don’t need consensus, your
RELATIONSHIP needs decisive
conclusions. Her wants are not always
to be observed, you must consider
how decisions will help or hinder your
relationship. Your boundaries and
expectations are requests, demands,
rules, laws- however you wish to
phrase it be sure they’re clearly
understood and observed. If you do
not intervene when she compromises
your boundaries or expectations, not
only is that implicit permission, but
over time, this becomes something
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she presumes, she thinks of it as a
privilege.
A closing thought you should
remember:
A woman’s consistent presumption
(through implicit or explicit
permission) of how she can mistreat
you swiftly become abuse privileges. I
imagine many of us have seen this in
our lives, and the lives of those around
us. Men are much more eager to settle
into a social hierarchy than women,
and this can be a problem in LTRs if he
eventually kneels to shit testing. Never
take second place in your relationship,
when you give her the lion’s share of
privileges, she will abuse you with
them.
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Part 8: Leadership and
Support
by OccamsUsername | August 14,
2014 | Link
The vast majority of men who come to
TRP need to bring their “alpha” index
up to secure or improve their success
with women. They need to solidify
assertive behaviors that show women
that they are not so flexible to their
nonsense and testing. No man is pure
alpha or beta, but the modern western
male is overwhelmingly a doormat to
the western woman. The solution is
not to find and import some “home
grown” Eastern European or Asian
woman who has “real patriarchal
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values”. This is something I've seen
circulating in the last year or more of
this sub, and it’s ASININE. Once the
context for for a woman’s good
behavior is gone (which in this case is
her former society), what incentive will
she have for behaving with you?
European, Asian, American- it doesn't
matter, they all need YOU to run a
patriarchy for two in order to be
happy, functional, and sane.
If you consistently and supplicatingly
go along to get along, or become
indulgent in the fact that you do not
have to assert rules or boundaries and
get the fuzzies for being “nice” to your
woman, you will be primed for failure
and your relationship will collapse.
Remember that WOMEN NEED MEN
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well more than men need women, we
in very literal ways provide them
operational sanity. The hypoagency
and sloth of women left to their own
devices should never be
underestimated. Most women will not
have the perspective to realize their
needs consciously, and during entitled
little fits, they’ll block this subroutine
from directing their behavior entirely.
The difference is, you know that she
NEEDS you, and you will be assertive
about your needs and desires
regardless of what she decides to fit
about.
NATURAL CIRCUMSTANCES
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There are two major reward centers
women have to determine value in a
relationship with a man, and these are
in accordance with her needs. These
centers work to ascertain which
masculine behaviors constitute
support and which constitute
leadership. There are others not
included here, but just a few
examples:
Support: Affection, loyalty, empathy,
generosity, material means.
Leadership: Assertiveness, courage,
judgment, status, social means.
Leadership and support as concepts
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are similar to alpha and beta,
respectively. When you take a look at
what makes the overall best (socially
constructive) types of leaders, it is not
someone with purely alpha traits, it is
someone with a good deal of traits
from both leadership and support
categories. Given the choice, every
woman wants a strong man with a soft
side, but the inverse is not nearly as
attractive. This is a problem in our
society as it stands today.
ASSERTIVE POSTURE
A man treating a woman as though
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she is less than him (see: negging,
agree and amplify, amused mastery)
displays that she does not have power
over him. This forces on her the
perception that the man has authority,
the proof never needs to be made
explicit, it is displayed in his behavior
from moment to moment. In the
interest of remaining attracted, a
woman does not want to fully
comprehend you and she does not
want a power leverage in the
relationship if she is attracted to you.
The realization that she is the leader
or that she has you all figured out
leaves her feeling as though she’s
exposed to greater risks, and must be
assertive when in a leadership
vacuum. This situation will leave her
discontent.
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Being assertive is uncomfortable for a
lot of men who have been brought up
a bit soft. They equate bluntness or
assertiveness with being a jerk, but
these are not synonymous. Our culture
has been conditioning men to provide
and protect at all levels but does not
encourage being assertive and
refusing to put up with feminine
nonsense. These men are maladjusted
to the needs of women. You must lead
and love, you cannot do one to the
exclusion of another in an LTR.
Getting into fights with women shows
that they are on your level, that they
are a peer. This, combined with the
emotional flood that swells in them
from any source of drama, can result
in things like makeup sex, but do not
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be fooled. This is a slow trickle, and bit
by bit your status in her eyes is
corroded and it loses enough structure
until it all falls away. Fights in and of
themselves don't make women
unhaaaappy, you losing status and
becoming a peer, or a subordinate to
them- this will make them
unhaaaappy. Even if nothing is
structurally wrong with the
relationship, becoming her peer or
subordinate is the primary cause of a
woman's interpersonal
unhaaaappiness.
SUPPORTIVE POISE
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I see the fallacy thrown around TRP
quite a bit that any “beta” behaviors is
equal to supplication. This should not
be as popular as it is, because it’s
nonsense. Some degree of support
(NOT supplication) is NECESSARY for
the comfort and happiness of a
woman, and if you want to have a
successful LTR or family, your woman
needs to be comforted to make the
sailing as smooth as possible. This is
not the same as saying you should
supplicate. Never tolerate her bullshit,
and evaluate your feelings as they
come to you.
Supplication would be tolerating all of
your woman’s behavior with quiet
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desperation. Feeling angry because
you see your woman being full of shit,
or acting like a bitch? Try to temper
the expression so that you’re
responsible in disclosing your
thoughts, but don’t ever hide them
because your woman will not
understand that she is doing
something disagreeable or
unacceptable. Remember- any time
she misbehaves and you don’t speak
up is a missed leadership opportunity.
You do not ALWAYS have to be overtly
assertive, being assertive is simply the
most direct route to both a clear
understanding on your woman's part
and to acquiring whatever it is that
you want from her. Ambiguity is one of
the more subtle, but still powerful
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stances you can use on women in any
context to still show status in the
absence of overt assertiveness. This
works in both positive and negative
directions- dread and amused mastery
both have elements of ambiguity that
allow women to make their OWN
associations. In the case of dread, they
know they're in some trouble (even if
the realization has a slow onset) and
they begin, perhaps randomly, making
ambiguous assumptions to what the
trouble could be. The more potential
associations they make, the more
powerful your attempt at dread is in
this instance.
When you force your woman into
becoming an emotional crutch rather
than allowing her to occasionally
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perform emotional support- this is an
abuse of her nature and desires
because she is NOT YOUR MOTHER.
Supplicant betas want a mother, and
they live in eventual misery when their
women intuitively live into this role.
Women don’t want to look down on
the men they love, but if your behavior
forces her to look down on you, it’s
easier to not love you than it is to
forget your lower station.
DICHOTOMOUS BALANCE
What essential elements does the
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usual dichotomy of alpha/beta provide
a woman? Survival and happiness.
Leader (alpha) is the means to a
woman's survival and happiness.
It is a set of behaviors that gears
a man for success, and inspires
others to do more, which
includes performing his will.
Support (beta) is the security of a
woman's survival and happiness.
It provides an overall umbrella
that makes a woman feel secure,
and this makes her comfortable.
Absolutes on each end of the usual
alpha/beta spectrums are negative
and dysfunctional. All of these
extremes will cause severe anxiety,
bridging on insanity:
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Too much alpha, and she is
never secure. Forcing an
uncalibrated will on your woman
creates a shell of a person.
Too much beta, and she comes
to resent you. Forcing the need
for more agency than a woman is
comfortable with makes her feel
like she is exposed to too much
risk.
Too little alpha, and she feels
uninspired. Uninspired women
become lazy, slothful when it
comes to your needs. She suffers
without direction, has very little
ability to recognize what would
please you, and she rarely feels
interpersonally accomplished.
Too little beta and she feels
isolated. Unprovisioned women
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don't even have a temporary
sense of security. She cannot
hang on to positive states
I will discuss pure examples of four
different archetypes.
Leadership and support should be
considered individual, absolute
binaries when reading the below
descriptions.
Functional
Leadership/Dysfunctional Support
Inspires/exploits
Example: Thugs. Sociopaths.
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This archetype has all the
assertiveness he needs to be a leader,
but without supportive traits, he is
irresponsible in wielding his influence
for the benefit of all involved, and is
thus quite short sighted with regard to
the long term effects of his actions.
Dark Triads belong in this category as
well. People inspired by this archetype
will not feel security in the
relationship.
Dysfunctional Support/
Dysfunctional Leadership
Lazy/exploits
Example: Omega male. Forever
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alones.
This archetype is composed of failures
without positive masculine traits. Even
if the omega were to be
attractive/successful enough in
physical ways, behaviorally his fate is
sealed. Women will be repulsed by
him, and men will not respect or like
him.
Dysfunctional
Leadership/Functional Support
Lazy/protects
Example: Supplicating beta.
Typical western male.
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Has adequately functional support, but
has few (if any) leadership traits. Will
not be assertive enough for either
party in the relationship. His woman
will grow to resent him after repeated
failures during leadership
opportunities.
Functional Leadership/Functional
Support
Inspires/protects
Example: Patriarch. Head of
household. This is what you must
strive to be. You functionally
wield authority and support for
self and mutual benefit. Either
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for your LTR, your marriage, or
for your whole family.
The overall lesson here should be that
most every man needs to increase his
assertiveness, but a measured degree
of support or "beta" is not
IRRESPONSIBLE and is necessary for
the stability of an LTR, and will
increase the quality of living for all
involved.
Beta tempers alpha, the degree to
which it should temper the alpha
should be what you would conclude
makes the best (and, ideally, most
functional) leader, boyfriend, husband,
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and/or father- whatever your goal
happens to be.
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CorporateLand: Rat
race survival guide
by VasiliyZaitzev
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CorporateLand: A Rat
Race Survival Guide
For New Rats
by VasiliyZaitzev | 18 November, 2015
| Link
TL; DR: Survival guide for working in a
corporate environment, i.e.
“CorporateLand”, where a lot of you
will spend at least some of your time.
As a guy who has worked for three
Fortune 500 companies and two
Fortune Global 100 companies, here's
some advice about playing the
corporate game. N.B.: This is going to
be fairly long. If you don't like reading
long posts, there are other posts to
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read. [EDIT1: I still suck at formatting.
EDIT2: Added 'Rant' flair. EDIT3: Added
the bit about System Admins, and not
flipping guys for no reason.]
Body: A Guide to the Rat Race for
New Rats.
Make friends with HR.
HR is the Elephants' Graveyard for
people with No Fucking Talent. There
is, inevitably, one person (and usually
only one) who does not have their
head completely up their ass. Buddy
up with her (and it's always a 'her')
and make sure she handles all your HR
needs, because otherwise whatever
you need done will get fucked up by
girls and/or AA hires who are just there
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for the numbers. The last thing they
want to do is actual work. They want
to enjoy their 9-to-5 coffin, collect their
paychecks and go home. Sure, there
are talented women and
minorities...but not in HR.
Make friends With IT.
[Editing to add /u/redpillbanana's
excellent suggestion.] IT sees you
when you're sleeping and knows when
you're awake, and the Eye in the Sky
Doesn't Lie (as we used to say back in
my football days). They know what
sites you visit, etc., etc. Thus you need
to be a believer in the Separation of
Work and State. My work laptop
history (and I mean that thing that
can't be erased by 'private' browsing,
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or whatever) has entirely mundane
shit on it. Sites that are for work or
work-related (research, travel, etc.) I
visit other sites (personal business,
news, TRP, etc.) on my other devices
and never the twain shall meet. I don't
use company wifi for personal devices,
either. I keep two mobile phones: work
and personal. The joke around work
has always been that it's my "bat
phone".1
Where I work, now, I have a good
relationship with the CIO (or whatever
his title is), but also his underlings. The
CIO is big into getting feed back abt
how his dept performs, and I always
send him an email to the effect that
his guys did a great job for me, which
they usually do. If I have a problem
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with a guy, I handle it with the guy. It
costs me nothing and buys me some
goodwill. You might need a friend in IT
someday. IT is never going to land a
$20M contract with a new customer.
They're like the CIA; you only hear
about their failures.
Don't Flip a Guy For No Reason
You're going to be working with some
people that you don't like. Maybe
someone's just having a bad day, or
maybe he's an asshole. Equanimity
should be the rule for noobs. Don't let
yourself get pushed around, but
realize you will not always have the
whip hand.
Once, a guy stiffed me on a referral
fee. It would have been two grand,
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maybe a bit more. Less than $2500 for
sure. And he screwed me on it. I
reached out to him and he didn't
respond. Not only did he never got
another referral from me again, and I
also drove a few hundred thousand
dollars away from his firm. I hope it
was worth it.
Sometimes, it pays to acknowledge
the elephant in the room. I worked
with another guy who was a salesman.
The problem was, he couldn't sell.
What he could do was blame other
people for his failures. Anyway, I came
out of my office one day, and there he
was coming down the hallway towards
me. "Great", I thought, "This asshole."
So I said to him, "Joe, the thing I like
about you, and it's the ONLY thing I
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like about you, is that it pisses you off
MORE to see me coming than it does
me to see you coming." Inexplicably,
we got a long a lot better after that.
Hide in Plain Sight
Sort of like being the "Gray Man". Do
your job, get paid, and enjoy your life
from 5pm to 9am. Nobody is working
in CorporateLand because it's so
fucking cool and awesome, not even
the folks at Google (ok, maybe Google,
but not 99% of the rest of everyone
else). We're there for the paycheck.
But Can You Bang The Hotties at
Work?
No.
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Don't Mistake Your "Work Friends"
for your "Real Friends"
Sure, there are some cool people at
work, and some of them will cross over
into the "real friends" category, but
not as many as you think. You're there
to do your job, and get paid.
But really, Why Can't I Bang the
Hotties at Work?
It's work not a singles bar. And there
likely won't be a ton of hotties. You're
not in University any more. There will
be the occasional hot secretary or
secret slut over in accounting.
Do.Not.Bang. If you do bang, try to
bang someone with more to lose than
you do, so you don't find yourself on
an ice floe.
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Sure, maybe it will work out fine. Or
maybe you will have to explain how a
rising star such as you got tossed out
of ABC Widgets in your next interview.
I used to fuck a 23 y.o. admin over
lunch a couple of times a week. Until
her fiance figured out that she was
getting some strange. They have three
kids now. I don't think any of them are
mine. Anyway, do as I say, not as I did.
I'm smarter now, and you should be,
too.
Secure the Perimeter
Whether it was business or personal, I
tried to make sure that nobody came
to my boss with anything that was a
surprise. If anyone asks your boss a
question about you, it's better for him
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to know the answer because he heard
it from you first.
Don't Get Overdrawn at the Favor
Bank
There will be times when you will need
a friend. It's ok to do favors for people,
take on a project or two, because
someday...you will need a friend. I
covered another person's region after
they moved on, and kept everything
afloat. Since I work for a corporation,
they didn't pay me commensurate
with the work I did, but I regarded it as
sweat equity. A good reputation is a
powerful shield.
Containment
Contain your enemies, as George
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Kennan advised in The Long Telegram.
Do not escalate into a hot war if at all
possible, while not suffering any loss
of prestige.
At a former job, I had an issue with a
female co-worker. The issue was that I
didn't want to do her work for her, and
she needed me to, because she wasn't
very good at it. She also complained
that she "had kids" and couldn't stay
late and do it.
I value my free time. Also, my name is
not Rumple-fucking-Stiltskin, and it's
not my job to stay late, for no extra
pay, to do someone else's work for her
because she got promoted into a job
she lacked the talent for. Now, if
someone needs my help and asks for
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it, and has been an ally in the past,
etc., I will probably do it on a one-off
basis. It can often be useful to have a
positive balance in the "Favor Bank".
She started screaming at me one day
that I 'had' to do thus and so for her,
and I told her to get stuffed (not the
exact words, but that was the
subtext). She freaked and went to her
boss, who went to my boss. What a
cunt. That was my boss' assessment,
after I had given him my side of the
story. And he was right.
So what did I do? Having explained
shit to my boss (and I had a story to
tell, how she tries to dump her work on
me because she can't do it, and how I
solved a bunch of shit because it's
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easy for me, and I'm willing to take
one for the team once in a while, but
I'm not simply going to be her bitch
because she has a vagina and feels
entitled.) My boss handled it with the
other guy. Then he brought it up again
two days later. I was able to quell it (I
think she was still yapping; I had
dummied up about it).
So what to do now? Two things: First, I
went to HR. I had cultivated the
Powers That Be in HR, so I had a built
in Firewall. The best part was that the
HMFIC in HR loved me and HATED the
chick who was giving me shit. So that
was that.
The second thing I did was start
looking for a new job. They can't fuck
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with you when you have options. So I
found a better job and make 50%
more than I would if I had stayed put.
So fuck her. I also let other work she
tried to dump on me stack up and then
gave it all back to her on my way out
the door. Muhahahahahahahahaha!
Make Yourself Indispensable, and
Then Disappear
I basically work from wherever I want
to and don't have to go into an office
anymore--it is Fucking HEAVEN! I do
go in, from time to time, but only to
renew connections and to see if
they've hired any new talent, by which
I mean 22 y.o. girls with tight 22 y.o.
asses. (N.B. Don’t shit where you eat,
of course.)
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Remember the 'sweat equity' part?
That helped. Go read "The Four Hour
Work Week" by Tim Ferriss and "How
to Relax Without Getting the Axe" by
Stanley Bing. Bing has a whole section
on doing what I do, pretty much.
How do I get away with it? I perform at
a high level, I am always reachable, I
have a unique set of skills and my
employer understands that he pays
me for PERFORMANCE not for
attendance.
Have a Plan For When Shit Goes
Bad
Always have two escape routes.
Eventually, you are going to want to
move up or move on. If I didn't like
what I do for a living, I could walk
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away and still make six figures doing
what I do on the side, and by
leveraging my contacts. Someday, I
will do that, anyway.
Most people in CorporateLand are not
curing cancer. That's fine. AFAIAC, my
job exists to fund my lifestyle. Nobody
on their death bed says, "I wish I'd
spent more time at the office." As the
Christians say, be in the world, but not
of the world. Or something like that.
A word about lifestyle: The only reason
to work in a corporation is to make a
shit-ton of money. If you are not, then
go do something else. And whatever
you do, don’t outspend your paycheck.
Save Crowns and Pounds and
Farthings. You will need a war chest
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Look, I got over. Sure, the economy
sucked ass when I got out and I fought
back and found a way to prosperity.
Kids today are getting factored to a
fare thee well. Think long and hard
before taking the CEO’s shilling.
1
This is exactly what Tiger Woods
should have had. If he'd had a second
phone that (a) was identical to
whatever phone his caddy/major
domo/little helper guy had and (b)
HAD A FUCKING PASSWORD ON IT, he
wouldn't have wound up being chased
down his driveway by his golf clubwielding wife. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
When his wife found it, he could have
said, "Oh, that's [name of sidekick]'s
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phone. I'll take that and return it to
him, thanks." I think that he gets
busted eventually, anyway, b/c that
guy was fucking half the women in
America, but who knows.
LESSON 1: Be Loyal…To Yourself.
The days of walking into IBM or GM or
GE at 21 and walking out at 65 with a
fat pension and a gold watch are Way
Long Gone. It's every man for himself
these days, BUT....it need not be "Lord
of the Flies".
Every article you see titled "Gen X and
Gen Y Have No Work Ethic" should be
titled "Gen X and Gen Y refuse to be
Treated Like Commodities; Boomers
OUTRAGED!"
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Why the Boomers expect loyalty when
they offer none is beyond me. The RP
Man in CorporateLand should have
loyalty to (a) his paycheck and (b)
those of his colleagues who have
proven themselves worthy. That's it.
The assholes in the C-Suite would just
as happily fire you if it would make
their stock go up a nickel as look at
you.
LESSON 2: Have Options. Learn a
trade. Be able to do something so
you aren’t dependent on a
CorporateLand paycheck. I think
the modern trend is going to be away
toward entrepreneurship. One of the
difficulties we face as a society is,
"where will the jobs come from?" That
is why I recommend that men have a
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trade. If you have a trade, then you
won't go hungry. Sure, technology is
disruptive (yes, I am looking at you,
Uber) but nobody in China or India or
on the internet is going to fix your
plumbing.
LESSON 3: Avoid Debt. The LAST
fucking thing I would recommend is
piling on educational debt to the tune
of $500k to get a BA and JD or
whatever. It's a disaster. The
generation behind me can't buy
houses because they're getting assraped on tuition and debt service
thereon. It's fucking INSANE. And the
degrees people get, now. Gender
Studies? I'd rather my daughter was a
hooker; at least she'd be giving VALUE
for her pay. I sit on our hiring
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committee and I ding everyone
who has a shitstain degree.
Women's Studies? Best case she's
merely a lazy cunt. Worst case, she's a
lazy cunt who sues the firm. Fuck that.
Same thing with anything else that's
fucked up.
Good luck, now go forth and SLAY!
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CorporateLand: How to
Kill it in Your Job
Interview
by VasiliyZaitzev | 21 December, 2015
| Link
TL;DR: A guy who interviews
candidates tells you what he looks for
in job interviews, and how not to fuck
yours up. Based on the reaction to my
last two "CorporateLand" threads, I
thought this might be useful for RPMen
navigating the interview process.
Introduction:
So here is my view from the “hire”
side of the desk. What I will tell you
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will have general application, but I
work in commodities, so for tech (as
an example) somethings will be
different, I’m sure. This, like all my
articles and posts, is the product of my
own, meandering experience and may
be worth what you paid for it (free on
the internet).
People get fucking weird in job
interviews. And I mean interviewers.
They ask weird ass fucking questions,
posit bizarre scenarios and attach
massive over-emphasis to things that
they never would in the real world. I've
never understood why. Probably I
should have taken more psych classes.
What to do Before:
Tailor Your Resume to the
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Company Don’t overdo it, but tweak it
here and there. That said, some
people cannot cope with a resume that
is not chronological. I have no idea
why, but that’s the case.
Research the company. And do
more than just go to our homepage.
Listen to the last few earnings calls,
and read the last few 10-Qs. I mean,
don’t bother if you don’t really give a
shit about the gig, but nobody does
this, so when someone says, “I
listened to the last earnings call, and I
was impressed/blown away/scared
shitless by…”
Research the Interviewer. Many
folks are easily accessible online, such
as at LinkedIn. That’s fair game. Don’t
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make it awkward by discussing what a
big fan you are of their daughter’s Jr.
High soccer team.
Best Days. If you have any input into
the weekday chosen for your interview
AVOID MONDAYS & FRIDAYS.
Mondays everyone is busy as fuck. I
have three standing meetings on
Mondays. The last gawddam thing I
want to do is interview someone. The
problem is that HR sits around with
their thumbs up their asses all day,
every day, so they don’t think about
that shit. I’m perfectly fine with
Fridays, personally. I like to avoid
afternoons, because I come into the
office for interviews, and I hate the
commute. Other people have checked
out completely, so best to avoid. If you
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can pick a time, shoot for 10am or
2pm. We do all-day interviews, so no
need to avoid lunches, because we’re
either bringing it in, or taking you to
lunch.
Clean up your social media. I don’t
give a shit how you spend your free
time, what your political views are
(mostly; if you’re a freakazoid who
can’t shut up about politics, I’m not
going to like being around you), or
that you pop bottles and get high on
the weekend. I’m not going to go
looking. You know who is? HR. And
they’re petty little fucks.
What to do During:
Show up 15 minutes before, and be
prepared.
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Be polite to the receptionist. I am
friendly with ours, and if you’re a dick
to her, she’ll tell me.
Stay calm. Just like with women, think
"Abundance Mentality". Maybe you
get the gig, maybe you don't; take
your best shot at it and it comes out
how it comes out. Learn from the
experience. I got out of school during a
recession and I went on a shit ton of
interviews. It got to the point where I
was more relaxed and better prepared
than basically every interviewer I met
with.
It’s ok if you bring a leather portfolio.
Don’t bring a briefcase. You haven’t
earned it yet. Have at least 3 - 5 extra
copies of your resume with you, as
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well as a few copies of your references
sheet. I doubt anyone will ask, but if
they do, you look smooth. Also,
sometimes I get sent in to interview
people I would not otherwise, and I
might not have been given your stats.
Oh, and don’t have a stupid email
address. “HuggyPooh(at)numbnuts.com” is just not a
percentage move. And this seems
obvious, but I’ve seen some weird
ones. Again, I don’t judge, but HR
does.
When we meet, shake my hand. Your
handshake should be firm—but please,
Jesus, God, DO NOT be one of those
guys who feels like he has to try and
crush my hand—and dry. It’s ok if you
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have to surreptitiously wipe your hand
on your trousers first. I prefer that to a
clammy handshake. Three pumps, no
more, and then a clean release.
While this has mostly gone away,
there used to be rules for shaking a
lady’s hand, which I still observe.1 I
had one woman call me on this in an
interview, and I explained my
rationale, and she was fine with it. She
was a lady lawyer, and I think her icy,
black heart actually warmed up,
slightly. Still frozen of course, but
moved off of zero, Kelvin.
It’s totally ok that you wore a suit. I
will be in jeans and a polo, and loafers
without socks. On a Monday.2 If you
express discomfort about it, I will tell
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you it’s ok to take your suitcoat off, if
you want. It’s not a trap; I don’t really
give a shit whether you do or not. I’m
not inherently a mean guy and a lot of
folks are nervous in interviews and I
prefer them calm. I also like to put
people at ease, so they think “Hey,
this guy’s cool! I can tell him
anything!” and then either (a) show
me they are cool, too (win!) or (b) fuck
up by telling me shit they shouldn’t, so
I can ding them and not waste my
time or theirs.
Try and maintain good eye contact.
Not the no-blinking, “yes, I’m a total
coke fiend kind” but the normal, good
kind. While I do not overtly look for
your body language, it will register,
subconsciously.
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Only accept my offer of water or coffee
or whatever if you can drink it without
shaking like you have cerebral palsy.
Unless you actually have cerebral
palsy. Then it’s ok. If you have to use
the can, that’s ok, too, but try to do
that beforehand. If you’re in an all-day
interview, the best time is either at
lunch or in between interview
sessions. Unless you have explosive
diarrhea, in which case I will totally
understand, and I will be your blocking
back on the way to the restroom, if
only so I will be in front of you, and not
behind.
We are going to start by talking about
what I want to talk about, which is you.
I always lead with “Tell me about
yourself” because people have no
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filters these days and they will say
stuff they shouldn’t.
Some other tips:
Be honest. If you lie, I will figure it
out, and it will sink you, even if we
otherwise would have hired you.
Be Concise. I’m on the right side of
the desk to tell long stories, where I
seem to lose the point, but then tie it
all up with an nice bow on top at the
end. You’re not. Don’t be abrupt, but
don’t make me lose the plot and have
to go hunting for it.
Have examples. If you tell me you’re
awesome, I will want you to prove it. If
I ask you to walk me through your
resume, be able to do it and also tell
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me some things/skills/anecdotes that
aren’t on your resume, but are
relevant.
Show me that you are employable.
One of the best ways you can do that
is to tell me how you would go about
doing the job that you are interviewing
for. It’s rare that a candidate does this.
Usually they’re more passive. When
you’re more experienced, you can lay
this Awesomeness Grenade down:
“Let me tell you how I would do
this job. I’ve done
[all/part/something similar to] it
before. My skills are portable.” If
you get it right, it’s a total win.
Remember, though, people get
massive OCD about shit people say in
interviews, so you may need to couch
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it terms of ascertaining the firm’s risk
tolerances/corporate culture.
What to do After:
Unclench. It’s over. You can relax now.
Right after you send a “thank you”
letter to everyone you interviewed
with. You can print them up, but try to
change the middle paragraph at least.
Para 1: “Thank you for the opportunity
to interview with Spacely
Sprockets/Perfect Booty Gentleman’s
Club/The Strike and Spare….”
Para 2: “I enjoyed our discussion of the
aerodynamic nature of Sophia
Vergara’s tits.”
Para 3: “I think I can be an asset to
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your firm because….”
Questions: Like Guns, They Should
Be Treated Like They’re Loaded
Tell me about yourself. As I noted, I
will ask this as an opener because
people offer up info they wouldn’t
otherwise. I also do this if I’m coming
into the interview cold, which
sometimes happens.
What do you know about our
company? I don’t really give a shit
what you know about our company.
This is the equivalent of a shit-test. It’s
not even difficult. Just visit the fucking
website. That said, if you haven’t, I
know to ding you because you’re
either stupid or lazy. Research
Earnings Calls, Quarterly Reports and
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Blog Posts. That will impress the hell
out of me.
Why should I hire you? Being able
to count off a bunch of reasons with
relevant examples is a fucking
homerun. [See discussion further
down]
Tell me a joke. This is a curveball
question, designed to see how you
handle weirdness, apparently. I was
asked this once, and I happened to
come up with one off the top of my
head and it worked out fine. I wouldn’t
do it to a candidate, but some people
will, particularly old guys who think
they’re way funnier than they actually
are.
Do you want the job? This is another
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“old guy” question. They’re trying to
see if you will betray a lack of
commitment by equivocating.
Tell me about how you manage
projects/time Maybe you have a
better way to do it than I do. I keep a
worklist. I used to have a whiteboard
and it would go up on that, and later I
just kept a file on my PC. Just show me
you can manage time and you’re not a
fuckhead.
For “Problem Solving” Questions,
Think Out Loud. This sort of ‘left
field’ question (“Fermi problems”)
sometimes comes up. “How many
dogs are there in the United States?”
Who the fuck knows? And how is it
relevant? But rather than thinking for
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45 seconds and blurting out an
answer, say something like, “Well the
population is ~300 million, and let’s
assume 3 people per household on
average. That’s 100 million
households and let’s assume that 40%
of those households have dogs. So
there’s 40 million dogs. But some dog
owners have more than one dog, so
let’s say 1.8 dogs per household,
which gives a figure of 72 million
dogs.” I never ask these types of
questions but sometimes you get
them.
What is your biggest weakness
Come the fuck on! Do people actually
ask this question anymore? And
whatever you say, don’t say “I’m a
perfectionist.” I would ding you for
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that. If you use that *“honesty” 3 joke
that’s been floating around recently, I
would at least respect you way more.
“Redheads” would also be acceptable,
but dangerous. So how to answer?
Well, lead with a strength, then
discuss a weakness. For example, I’m
a deal guy. I am good at building
rapport, and very good at getting
people to do what I want them to do in
negotiations. You know what I suck at?
Regulatory bullshit. I would rather
watch old people fuck, or stay at home
chewing aluminum foil and learning
about the metric system. So here’s
what I say: “I’m a deal guy. I’m very
good at getting to agreements. I need
to improve on the regulatory side of
things. I view the opportunity here as
a chance to do just that because…” I
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can say this, and make it sound
believable, because it’s true. And
everywhere I would ever possibly work
is going to have a Compliance
Department, so all I have to do is be
smart enough to spot an issue, and
walk it over to them.
Incidentally, the Compliance folks
where I work love me b/c I set the
land-speed record for reporting
reportable shit to them.4 Not because I
give a shit, b/c a lot of regs are total
bullshit, but b/c I want it to be Not My
Problem. Sue me. [In actuality, I’m not
really quite that lazy, and I used to
know a lot about the FCPA and the UK
Bribery Act back when that was
important to me. They’re both largely
stupid and overreaching, but you know
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what? Violating them can get you jail
time, and I’m allergic to prison, so I
comply like a motherfucker and then
go back to making deals. And don’t
get me started on FATCA, which
should be called “FUCKYA” b/c that’s
what it’s about.]
Questions You Should Ask Me:
Why should you hire me? If I
haven’t asked you this, this is a KILLER
question for you to ask me. The more
reasons you can count off on your
fingers, the better I will like it. Done
correctly, this is a show-stopper. I’ve
had interviewers (when I was the
candidate) tell me they dug this
questions. The next one also.
What you will close with: “Based on
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our discussion today, is there anything
about my candidacy that you perceive
as a weakness? Is there anything I can
provide a fuller discussion of?” Here’s
why this question is awesome: either
(a) there’s nothing they perceive as a
weakness in which case they hear
themselves say that, or (b) there is
something, and you get to address it,
and get your side of the story out. Q:
“Tell me why you withdrew for two
semesters.” A: “My father died and I
had to go run the business for a year,
just like Jimmy Stewart in “It’s a
Wonderful Life”. The board voted
down Mr. Potter, but only if I stayed
and ran the Building & Loan.”
Secrets of the Temple.
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We will talk about you. If you show
you are fucking weird in any
attackable way—bad B.O., picked your
nose in front of one of us, something
else douchey—it will be discussed. So
best behavior, and use your indoor
voice.
Sometimes, I try to hire women. I
really do. And not just the hot ones
with big tits. And by “try” I mean on a
‘straight-up’ basis, but they manage to
fuck-up the interviews at alarming
rates. And when we find one we can
make an offer to, they can’t make up
their fucking minds. This happens no
matter what. In one instance, the
woman in question was, literally, the
last person in her department at a
company that had just filed for
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bankruptcy. Not only is the writing on
the wall, it’s on the floor and the
ceiling and it’s in LARGE FUCKING
PRINT. She couldn’t’ put it together.
/shrug
Another one actually had the temerity
to ask us to keep the job open for her
for six months. Six months? I
understand if you’ve got a couple of
other interviews you’re going on, but
Six.Fucking.Months? Sorry, princess,
we’re not going to hold the job for you
while you shop for a better offer. Oh,
and you know who is hardest on
women candidates? Other women. As I
mentioned in a different
“CorporateLand” post, I had to drop
into HR to pick up a copy of the
interview schedule for a candidate and
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the HR chicks went off on the woman’s
choice of shoes for the interview. Like I
would possibly give a shit.
I Really Care About Two Things:
First, can you do the fucking job, or am
I going to have to continuously correct
your stupid mistakes? Second, are you
going to be a team player, or a whiny
bitch? We don’t need to be best buds,
but I need to be able to count on your
to do your job, and not be a tool.
I go with my gut. My instincts are
finely-tuned. I trust them. My armor
bears the scars of many an internecine
war, and I am a goddamn survivor. I
am the fucking honey badger of
CorporateLand, only without the gay
guy doing a voiceover of my daily
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activities. Once, I was the only person
out of 10 or 12 who dinged a guy. I
didn’t like him. I mean he seemed nice
enough, but there was something
about him. Anyway, for whatever
reason, the head of HR wanted to plow
the road for him, and she offered me
the ‘chance’ to change my vote to a
‘yes’. I declined. Four months later we
fired him for trying to punch out two
vice presidents at a party. In fairness,
we also fired two other guys for being
drunk and disorderly, but they didn’t
show up at work the next day—still
drunk—to continue the fight. That’s
got to be a tough one to explain to
your wife and in-laws later.
If You Are an SJW, I Will NEVER
Fucking Hire You. Not much to worry
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about in TRP, but I mention it
anyways. The last thing I want is to
have to listen to some twat drone on
about her political views. We have an
intern like that, and I can barely stand
her. She has this idea that she is
entitled to be included in every
conversation everyone has and we’re
supposed to gape in wonder at her
stupid ideas. Ugh. Anyway, this is why
I love “Gender Studies” or “Oppression
Studies” degrees. They are Big Giant
Fucking Signs that say, “Don’t Hire
Me! I’m a Fucking Loser!” I don’t care
if you are a double Ivy with an M.A. in
French from Stanford besides, if I get
the slightest whiff that you are an SJW,
I will ding you. I will find a way to do it
surreptitiously if I have to, but you will
never darken my door again. Happily,
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SJWs have stupid degrees and
experience that is off-point, so it’s not
difficult. Also, they’re more likely, in
my estimation, to sue the firm b/c they
got their widdle feewings hurt
somehow b/c they overheard guys
talking about pussy, or they never got
promoted because they suck at their
job, etc.
Good luck and the floor is open for
questions.
1
Rules for Shaking a Female
Interviewer’s Hand. This is an ‘old
school’ rule, and most modern
businesswomen aren’t going to mind,
however, I always wait for the woman
to extend her hand. Why? Back in the
olden days of covered wagons, or at
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least back before color TV, the thought
was that if you offered your hand to a
lady to shake, she might not want to
shake your hand. That would put her
in the uncomfortable position of either
an unwanted touch—women were
previously thought to be delicate
flowers, during both the Victorian and
Reagan Eras—or of refusing, and
looking like a cunt and/or
embarrassing you. So I wait. And when
she puts out her hand first, I am also
clued in to whether she’s offering the
dainty lady-shake (palm parallel to the
floor and I gently take her fingers) or
the standard ‘man-shake’.
2
My traders once decided that the
measure of value one had to the firm
was how badly one abuses the dress
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code, and I won. I also don’t bother to
show up at the office. /shrugs
3
Q: “What’s your biggest weakness?”
A: “Honesty.” * Q: *“I don’t think of
honesty as a weakness.” A: “I don’t
give a shit what you think.”
4
Not in a “fuck somebody over for no
reason” way, but in a “Keep the firm
the fuck out of trouble” way.
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CorporateLand: How to
Handle Salary
Negotiations.
by VasiliyZaitzev | 1 December, 2015 |
Link
TL;DR: If you are working in
CorporateLand, read this. If you are
not, good for you, but read it anyway.
This also applies more to moving from
one job to the next and less so your
first gig, b/c you will have more
leverage when you are already a
CorporateLand resident. Until then you
are basically an illegal alien with no
rights.
Note 1: If you are a total noob, like
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fresh out of school, they may ask
about your ‘other offers’ which are, of
course, none of their business.
Everyone has a pretty good idea how
to value fresh talent, or at least what
the going rate is for noobs, so you’re
not going to have a ton of leverage
Note 2: I was going to write a longer
piece on interviewing, generally, but
then saw an askTRP question that
DEMANDED that I Strike Back in the
Name of Justice, immediately, and that
reply formed the basis for this piece
(which is, to the candidate, the
IMPORTANT part of the process,
anyway), which I thought I should get
out there.
[EDIT1: There isn’t an edit yet, but
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there will be. I’m good for about 4
each time, b/c I suck at formatting, I
suck at adding flair, I want to add
pertinent information, or I commit
some crime against the English
language so heinous that it requires
correcting.]
Body:
Once you have established yourself in
your first job (note: that’s job, not
career. Nobody really has a career
anymore), you will eventually decide
that the time has come to make more
money. Or you’re going to decide that
the toxic environment1 at whatever
Corporation you are at has become too
much for the amount of cheddar they
are willing to trade for it. Either way,
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it’s time for you to at least test the
waters and see if you can jump ship.
The best time to find a new gig is
while you are employed, b/c when
you’re unemployed, you might as well
have some horrible contagious disease
that someone might catch from you
b/c that’s how you will be treated.
Nowadays, the best way to not get
totally ripped off on salary, once you
have outgrown your current position is
to bail. It’s that simple. Either take
their ‘merit pay increase’ shitty 3%
“COLA”2, or pack your bags. If they
give you something more than a COLA
it probably means that you should
have bailed a long time ago. Most
people will put up with known
“medium shitty” over unknown
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anything and CorporateLand knows it.
There is always the possibility that you
might find a company that does not
have its head COMPLETELY up its ass,
but that’s not very likely. Forward
thinking just isn’t rewarded all that
often, b/c of the tyranny of quarterly
reporting. Quarterly reporting rewards
“Results: Now” and squeezing every
bit of value life out of employees, or as
they are sometimes called “cost
centers”.
Okay, on to Salary Negotiations: Here
is one Total Hard and Fast Rule, No
Matter What Anyone Tells You:
Never Ever, EVER tell them what
you are making now. Never Ever,
EVER tell them what you are
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making now. Never Ever, EVER tell
them what you are making now.
Got it? Good. Now repeat that to
yourself a thousand million times. If
you are asked this in an interview
imagine that I am sitting next to you
telling you that I will bash you over the
head with a fucking sledgehammer
until you are dead, thus taking your
worthless self out of the gene pool.
Then I will piss on your corpse. And I
will be right.
Whatever Reason The Give You
For ‘Needing’ to Know Your Salary
History is Bullshit
How so? First, the motherfuckers
you are dealing with have already
budgeted for the position and
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thus, they already know what
they’re willing to pay for it. So fuck
them, they’re just trying to screw you.
Oh and it’s going to be the people who
don’t want to tell you what their
proposed salary range is that are the
most insistent that you tell them, blah,
blah, blah. Fuck them, they are just
trying screw you (are you sensing a
theme, yet?)
Sometimes you get some story about
“managing equity in the
department.” In other words, they
expect you to be bound by someone
else’s shitty negotiating skills, life
problems (i.e. the got someone who
desperately needed the job, has a shitton of alimony or child support, or was
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otherwise defective). This is NOT
YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM! Keeping
some simp who took less than he was
worth happy is their problem, not
yours. Your job is MAXIMIZING your
own income so you can pop bottles
and bang broads on the weekend.
Another variation is If they give you
some bullshit about how “We need it
to evaluate your candidacy.”
That's bullshit--they are just trying to
get you to give away all of your power
and let them know how cheaply they
can get you. I asked an HR drone how
exactly they needed it to evaluate my
candidacy? Tell me what they have
budgeted for the position and I will
evaluate my candidacy for them. What
they need to evaluate your candidacy
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is your resume, an understanding of
your talents and accomplishments,
and a face to face interview to see if
you have a Second Evil Head growing
out of your shoulder. That’s it. Oh, and
a background check to be sure that by
“graduate school” you didn’t mean
“prison”. It could happen.
Also, they probably think that your
previous employer had your value
pegged about right. Why they would
think this when they suck at it is
beyond me, but I can tell you for sure
that HR departments are hardly
overflowing with talent. As I said in my
initial “CorporateLand” post, they are
basically the “Elephants Graveyard”
for people with No Fucking Talent.
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”But Uncle Vasya,” you say, “What if
they ask three times and won’t
continue my candidacy if I don’t’ tell
them?”
DO NOT TELL THEM. And don’t ask
questions that make me look around
for my sledgehammer!
Here’s the deal: any place that is this
insistent is going to suck to work at.
How can I tell? Because even their HR
drones suck more than usual. Oh, and
here’s another rule: Any place that
demands W-2 or 1099 verification
is going to suck so bad that they
might as well have an “Arbeit
Mach Frei” sign over the
entryway. They probably will follow
you around after hours to see if you’re
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violating the company’s “no sluts”
rule.3
[EDIT2: A commenter who is in HR
posted that this is now a compliance
thing for government contractors. I've
always been a private sector guy,
where what I posted is still likely true.]
And don’t give them a range, either. It
can work out badly for you in a
number of ways.
“Three things can happen and two of
them are bad.” -- Maniacal Football
Coach and Pugilist Woody Hayes, on
the forward pass.
Let’s say you are making $160K (I
know, but the numbers are made up
and the points don’t matter)
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comprised of $90K salary and a $70K
bonus. Assume that the company
where you are applying has budgeted
the position you are applying for at
$120K-$140K. If you say “I earn a
package worth $160K” then you’ve
priced yourself out of it (which is
probably a good thing, but maybe
you’re willing to take a $20K pay cut
to get away from your soul-destroying
boss, or something. This is just an
example to keep the OCD under
control). If you say “I earn a salary of
$90K not including bonuses and
benefits” then you are some loser who
isn’t qualified enough for the position,
otherwise you’d be making more.
Now, should they ask what your bonus
is? Well, this is a trick question,
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because you never should have told
them your base, but the secondary
answer is “yes”, but HR is not known
for having creative thinkers. It’s known
for having “check the box” morons
who just want to be done with you and
go back to the 9-to-5 coffins.
Now, at some point, you may run into
a hot chick in HR. They’re usually very
junior and will do things like show you
to the conference room where your
interview will take place, or fetch
coffee for you. They should, of course,
be out locking down a man and having
babies. What they are doing instead is
working in some worthless job, doing
nothing of real value, and complaining
that they aren’t paid enough. They’ve
bought into the “Big Lie” about “GRRL
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POWER!” and will work that shitty gig
until, around 28 or 29, the first
stirrings of rebellion escape from their
uteruses (uteri? Who cares, the
Romans are all dead b/c they fucked
up by rotting from within) and lay
siege to their brains. Why these chicks
don’t figure out sooner that all of the
women telling them how wonderful
being an “Independent Career
Wymyn!” (read: loser) is so awesome
are all single, post-Wall, no-manhaving Cat Colony Owners is beyond
me. But I digress….
How to Handle the “Salary”
Question.
As an initial matter, if you are applying
anywhere that requires an application
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(and some corporations are still stuck
in the 1950s in this way), leave the
“salary history” bit blank, or put a “-“
there. It’s none of their fucking
business.
When you get asked in an interview,
answer this way:
Once you have decided, I am the
right person for the job, I am sure
we will arrive at a number with
which we are both happy.
Really, this should be the start and the
end of it. But it likely won’t be.
Nevertheless, you should stick to this
position, i.e., that discussing salary is
premature at this stage. If they want
some comfort, tell them to tell you
what they have budgeted for the
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position, and then you can decide
whether it’s worth your while to
continue with the process.
Alt (early in the process): "Let's keep
an open mind on that for now." If they
press, use the line above.
I had someone say to me once, “I
understand what you’re trying to do.”
“Good,” I thought, “that means you’re
not retarded.”
You can also point out that “If you and
I were playing poker and I said "Hey,
how about you show me your hand,
while I keep mine hidden?" would you?
I am going to go with “no” on this. And
you’d be right.”
Things I Have Actually Said
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“I negotiate for a living” [which I do].
“If I actually answered this question,
you should disqualify me from further
consideration.”
“I am not interviewing for my
last/current job; I am interviewing for
this job, which has more and different
responsibilities.”
“I’m a lawyer…how much do you
have?”4
“Do I look like a beautiful blonde with
big tits and an ass that tastes like
French vanilla ice cream? No? Then
why are you trying to fuck me?”5
Good luck. And go learn to be an
entrepreneur. I need the consulting
fees. If I ever get into consulting, that
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[EDIT3: I have stuck to negotiation of
salary, here. There can be other
elements of compensation, of course,
but in my biz, the bennies are going to
be relatively the same, and I view the
raison d'être of my corporate job as
funding my lifestyle, i.e. letting me
bang bitches and pop bottles on the
weekend, or in some exotic locale.
Everywhere has a 401k, I doubt a
dental plan would be a differencemaker, and guys getting stock options
don't need my help. You can always
ask for more time off. That's the only
other thing I care about but in my
case, I stopped going into the office
about 7 years ago, and haven't been
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fired for it, yet. /shrug. They pretty
much let me do what I want, so long
as my work gets done. Also, for some
folks, titles are important. Since the
Phoenicians invented money, there's
only one thing I care about in terms of
compensation. ]
Footnotes
1
If I were less jaded I would wonder
about why fewer leaders, er, excuse
me, I meant CEOs do not try leading
through something other than fear and
terror and why they undervalue
employees that would be painful to
lose. Then I remember we’re talking
about CorporateLand and I drive that
hopelessly naïve thought from my
head.
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These are even more awesome when
they’re less than the published rate of
inflation. Like the government doesn’t
lie about the rate of inflation anyway.
My personal favorite is “Excluding food
and energy costs, the core rate of
inflation is…” What do people spend
money on again? After housing, it’s
food and gas. Maybe something else
slips in there, but come the fuck on.
3
I think Ross Perot used to have this
done. Didn’t like anyone getting more
tail than him, and just have a look at
that evil little hobbit. Money only
makes up for so much, even if you can
put a “B” in front of your “-illions”
4
I actually am a lawyer, by training,
although I do different stuff a lot, now.
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I sometimes describe myself as a
“reformed lawyer” or “Mary
Magdalene, 2nd phase” although you
and I both know that’s not true.
Usually people get it and laugh.
Sometimes you get a particularly
dense drone who doesn’t. Under no
circumstances should you say “My
lawyer says to ask how much you
have” In job interview situations, the
slightest innocuous remark, even one
intended as humor, will often take on
an “IMPORTANCE” vastly
disproportionate to its merit,
ESPECIALLY if some hugely negative
and completely unwarranted inference
can be drawn for it. In this case, they
will start wondering about whether you
will sue the company someday. So not
a whisper about lawyer jokes. Except
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maybe how you’ve hated lawyers ever
since you found out that your lawyer
was fucking your 2nd ex-wife during
the middle of your divorce
proceedings. No, save that one for
Reddit.
5
Ok, I didn’t say this one. It’s from
True Romance. I did, however, say it in
a negotiation for a client, years ago,
when I was young and impetuous. As
soon as we sat down in the meeting,
someone from the other side said that
“they’d been thinking” (never a good
sign) and “they wanted to tweak the
deal a little” (ALWAYS a bad sign).
They then proposed a rework that took
all the benefit away from my client
and shifted a lot of the burden to him.
I could tell he was going to explode, so
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I did it for him. For some reason, they
weren’t anticipating that we’d freak
out when they tried to rip us off, so we
actually made it out of the room. They
chased us down the hall and to the
elevator. I hope that bitch got fired.
Oh, whenever someone “thinks about
shit” overnight and the next day wants
to change 95% of things that are all
settled and done? That person
invariably has a vagina.
Conclusion Do not ever disclose your
salary history, do not ever mention a
range, always make them put the first
offer on the table and go from there,
or I will hunt you down and kill you,
and everything you love.
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CorporateLand: How to
Ask For a Raise
by VasiliyZaitzev | 4 October, 2016 |
Link
So I’ve been asked to write about
“How to Make More Money, Without
Leaving Your Current Job”.
The Short Answer: You won’t. The best
way to move up, is to move out.
The Long Answer: You can, but….
Corporations are not good at
determining employee value. And
they’re not really incented to. What
they are incented to do is get you to
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work the most hours they can, for the
cheapest price they can, and fuck
paying your more.
There are a couple of reasons for this.
First, a lot of guys who run
corporations are douchebags and it’s
not enough that they “win” by being
overpaid, it’s that someone else must
“lose”. That someone, dear reader, is
you. Second, it’s just too difficult to
figure out how to value you in the
market place. Remember, HR is mostly
populated by losers. It is the
Elephants’ Fucking Graveyard for
people with No Talent.1 Where are we
gonna stick the “affirmative action
hires”? How about HR were they can’t
really fuck things up? Yeah, good
choice. Srsly, I can’t remember the
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last place I worked at that had a male
head of HR. Or a competent one.
/shrugs
The difficulty of valuing you is one
reason why HR always wants you to
tell them, in the interview, how much
$ you are making. The assumption is
that your last company got it right,
and fuck paying you $10K more if they
can get your for $500 over what your
last job paid. You’re not a human
being, you are a “cost center”.
The economic environment is such
that companies have to squeeze the
fuck out of costs and the number one
cost is employees. This doesn't apply
to the C-Suite of course, which is why
the C-suite still pays themselves a
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gazillion dollars while cutting the rank
and file.
Some firms, particularly larger ones,
will permit employees to transfer,
internally. Some of them make it
easier, some make it more difficult
(the dreaded "Backfill" problem), and
some required 2 years in your current
job, whereas someone from outside
can simply walk in and apply. Thus,
I'm not sure it's objectively better,
even where internal candidates are
"preferred" -- right up until the
candidate's boss kills it because the
person is too valuable in situ, or just
because.
When To Ask For A Raise
If your job responsibilities have
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changed, whether substantially or
enough to warranted it, particularly if
you’re underpaid already. I just
answered a question for
/u/DominantDesign over in askTRP
where he got hired at a low rate,
successfully demonstrated his value,
and had been asked to give
presentations on moving the firm over
to the new methodology. The time to
Get Paid is before he does all the work
they want him to do, when he really
has them by the short and curlies if
they fuck with him. And he should NOT
be negotiating off of his current, crap
rate, as his responsibilities have
changed etc.
If you have closed a shit ton of sales,
or if you have developed a new line of
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business, ask for a bigger cut. Really,
though, you need to find a
“justifiable reason” for them to
“make an exception” to whatever
lockstep progression that they
have going on.
Why?
Because if Clorinda McSmellypussy or
Jack Mehoff find out – and they will –
that you’re getting a big bump, well,
they’re going to want one, too,
because they were “hired at the same
time” and they get all their work done,
and don’t steal office supplies any
more. Never mind that you come in at
7:00 and have landed 4 new ‘national
accounts’, and they roll in at 9:20
because there was a line at Starbucks.
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So better if the firm has some
“plausible deniability”.
How To Ask For A Raise
Look, if you stay in one place, they’re
going to try and give you a shitty 2-3%
“merit increase” COLA because even
HR knows that “inertia” is one of the
most powerful forces in the universe.
Most people will put up with known
“medium shitty” over unknown
anything.
Battles are won or lost before they are
even fought.2 So before you go have a
sit-down with your boss, you need to
do a few thing:
A. Figure out your worth in the
marketplace. Use Glassdoor (or
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whatever), talk to headhunters, and/or
go on interviews – that last one gives
you the best intel, but you run the risk
of burning some bridges.
B. Timing is EVERYTHING. Don’t ask for
a raise in the middle of layoffs, or right
after you just had a raise.
C. You should be tracking your
accomplishments in your current gig,
and why you add more value than
Wilma Fingerdoo or Hugh Jass-Wanker
(without naming them by name, of
course; that would be gauche). Be
ready to make your case. Also, talk
prospectively, not only about what
you’ve already done. Point out if you
will be taking on new responsibilities in
the future.
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D. Never Negotiate Out of Fear.
This is why it’s better to have a firm
offer from somewhere else that you
actually wouldn’t mind going to before
you commence negotiations. You don’t
have to reveal that you have an
escape plan, but Have An Escape Plan.
E. Handle money first. If you get a lot
of resistance on more cash, or don’t
get as much as you want, think about
non-cash “compensation”. If you’re up
against a hard cap on cash, ask for
something else, like an extra week’s
vacation. Fuck, you should be asking
for this, anyway, because, really, time
is the most valuable commodity you
have. You can always make more
money, but once you spend your time,
it’s GONE.
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Let’s imagine that I’m your boss. Let
me tell you what I’m thinking:
I DON’T GIVE A SHIT why you “need”
a raise. Organize your shit better. Get
your fucking bitch wife to SPEND LESS.
She’s your problem, not mine.
Don’t tell me WHAT you “deserve”,
tell me WHY.
Don’t give me an ultimatum; I might
fire you if I’m in a bad mood.
Don’t get emotional, or raise your
voice. Be cool, calm and collected.
Rehearse this convo 100 times if you
need to, to get there.
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If the company you’re at isn’t showing
you the love you deserve, then pull
the ripcord and move on. “But wait
Uncle Vasya,” you say, “what if they
make me a counter offer to stay?”
Fuck them.
Up the ass.
With a red hot iron poker.
Besides, the “fishing for a counteroffer” strategy really on works once,
and thereafter you will always be a bit
suspect. Beyond that, why weren't
they showing you the love all the way
along? Why did you have to threaten
to leave? They had plenty of time to
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take care of you and they only waited
until they were going to lose you. Too
little, too late, fuck them.
Big Rock Candy Mountain
There is always the possibility that you
might find a company that does not
have its head COMPLETELY up its ass,
but that’s not very likely. Forward
thinking just isn’t rewarded all that
often, b/c of the tyranny of quarterly
reporting.3
The other way is to work for a cool
place that promotes you, or at least
finds a way to pay you more money.
Even if you put in a lot of sweat equity,
it's not going to translate in to $ in a
scalable way. As an example, some
years ago, I did my job all year and
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someone else's job for half the year.
Do you think I got 1.5x my salary?
NFW. I did get a nice bump in my
bonus, which then became the
baseline for my bonus the next year,
but in theory I left thousands on the
table, although it did ultimately
pay off over time. It’s just way
easier for the HMFIC to take care of
me at bonus time.
Similarly, I did my boss' job for four
months while he took some time off.
Again, no increase in my base for it,
but the CEO really took care of me at
bonus time. It's easier for them to do
that. Also, I get away with a lot of shit,
like not showing up at work, ever. And
I could have expensed and elephant
that year. I did expense a $300 bottle
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of wine at lunch and nobody said a
goddamned word because the CEO
signed off on my expense reports.
The company I work for operates
under the “Michaels Model”.4 They find
talent, pay above market and then
reap the rewards of having skilled,
intelligent people who have a lot of
“institutional memory” because we’ve
all been here for ten years. They also
promote from within—I actually got a
promotion I didn’t ask for earlier in the
year. I don’t actually give a fuck about
my title. I prefer that my employer
demonstrate its appreciation in 50s
and 100s. It also helps that they pay
me more than I could likely make on
the open market doing what I do, and
in better working conditions (i.e. more
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Bottom Line
A. The best way to get a salary bump
it to change firms.
B. You can get raises that are worth it
where you are now, but it is generally
hard as fuck.
C. Prepare, have options, don’t
negotiate out of fear and be ready to
walk.
D. Remember, the Most Valuable
Currency in your Life is TIME.
Notes
1
HR is an important function, but
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seldom is it held in high esteem.
2
Sun Tzu, or some guy like him.
Maybe that German guy or some dead
Roman general.
3
I used to work at a place where a
new CEO came and started cutting HQ
staff to “demonstrate” to the field that
HQ would make sacrifices too. What
he “demonstrated” was that he was
willing to fire people “just for show”
and that if you were working in HQ and
you had options, it might not be a bad
time to exercise them. Thus, both the
talent level and morale went down the
tubes there. But I’m sure he thought it
was “good business” or some other
bullshit.
4
Or whatever I’ve been calling it up
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CorporateLand:
Restaurant Lockdown
for Sales Guys
by VasiliyZaitzev | 26 January, 2016 |
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Introduction: Just a short
CorporateLand post, primarily
applicable to sales guys, but also
helpful for others.
EDITS: Extensive. I added some info at
the end about how to taste a wine,
etc. This post got long in a hurry.
Body: So when the economy is in
recession, guess what industry gets
nailed? Well, trick question, because
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there's more than one, but
restaurants, especially fine dining.
Back during the "Great Recession"
high end restaurants were begging for
business. Fleming's in Boston would
pick you up in a Merc anywhere in the
city, give you a discount on wine, and
drop you off afterwards. Times still
aren't great so there's plenty of
opportunity out there.
So how does this advantage the RP
sales guy? Simples. If you are the kind
of sales guy who gets to wine/dine his
clients, you should be able to
capitalize. How?
Pick a high end restaurant or two. And
no, not Applebee's. Pick a place that
you can bring multiple customers, so
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you want to pick something with fairly
broad appeal: Steak, French, Italian,
yes, Indian, Vegan, seafood
{exclusively}, no. A locally owned one
is probably going to be more open to
it, but sometimes you can get a GM
with a brain in his head. Go in during
non-busy times, ask to speak to the
GM. Introduce yourself, give him your
card. Explain to him that you are in
sales and you often have occasion to
take your clients out to dinner. You
can drive business to his place, but
you want to feel comfortable there.1
Ask for the following things:
First, you want to be greeted by name
by the Maitre D', without introduction.
Second, you want to be shown to your
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table, immediately. It should be
waiting for you. You know how you go
into a place and they have a little
"RESERVED" sign on different tables?
That's what you want. Indeed, they
should be perfectly willing to let you
choose your table, since you're there
already.
Third, you would like the chef to make
a visit to your table during the meal.
This may not always be possible, but if
it's not busy, and you're a VIP, they
will make it happen. Alternatively,
they might suggest a kitchen tour,
because it's easier for them. Other
places will say "Fuck, no!", and well,
you can either forgo that bit, or pick
another place.
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Fourth, another option is a kitchen
tour. I have been in more NYC kitchens
than I care to, but I have a customer
who loves that shit, so I've been in
kitchens where they don't actually
have a tour, but made one up for us
on the spot. One included their very
dramatic wine cellar, and another one
made us up some cocktails involving
liquid nitrogen {there's a reason they
have 3 Michelin stars}.
The above cost the restaurant zero
dollars, and they should be happy to
accommodate. If not, take your
business elsewhere.
Now for the nitty gritty: things
involving money
Fifth, ask for a discount on wine. The
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mark-up on wine is fucking enormous,
like 200 or 300% or more. Ask for 30%
off, go down to 25% if you want. If
they get a bottle for $85 {the vineyard
price on some very good pinot noir I
favor} and sell it at $270 and you get
$90 off, they still are making nearly
double what they paid. You might
also ask for this discount when
you come in on personal business,
i.e. with the
wife/girlfriend/primary plate
and/or out of town guests. This is
more akin to having a restaurant
on "lockdown", as one reads about
from time to time in the
Manosphere. What you do on this is
up to you. The only real benefit is if
you are trying to keep expenses down
for your own benefit. To wit, we have a
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client who sends us 8 figures a year.
That guy we go long for. DRC? No
problem.
An aside about wine.2 If you can, ask
to meet the Sommelier, and the
Captain while you're meeting the GM.
In fact it's not a bad idea to ask to see
the kitchen at the initial meeting. If
you can meet the chef and/or sous
chef then, great. I realize this seems
like overkill, but it's nice for people to
be able to put a face with a name. A
word about the Som. When you are at
a restaurant and either are not familiar
with the wine list or you are in the
mood for something new, ask to speak
with the Som. Explain that you have
$50 or $100 or $200 to spend on a
bottle of wine that night, and you
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would like him to recommend
something. If you have likes or
dislikes, let him know. For example, I
might say "My price point tonight is
maybe $150. I like Central Coast and
Oregon pinot noir, but would not be
averse to trying a different varietal. I
dislike Australian wine3, but I like
Tuscan reds, for example or things
that have some heft but aren't so big
that I have to eat them with a knife
and fork, like a big Cabernet." 4 People
become soms b/c they're really into
wine {if your som isn't then you need
to start seeing other restaurants}, and
therefore will knock himself out to get
you the best bottle of wine at/near
your price point, and using your
parameters.
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Sixth, you can ask about being billed
at the office on 7-14 days. It would be
highly unusual for a restaurant to
agree to this, but sometimes it's easier
to give them one thing they say 'no'
to. One thing you do want is to end the
meal without the customer seeing the
bill, or having it presented at the table.
You can either make arrangements in
advance, or simply get up after
dessert/coffee has been ordered {but
not delivered} and excuse yourself,
taking care of the bill on your way to
the Gents. It adds to the impression
that you're a baller, and this
restaurant is like your private club.
Seventh, do NOT cheap out on tipping.
My firm won't bat an eyelash at a 20%
tip. If you can get away with tipping
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more, do it. You're investing in the
relationship. It's also ok to send the
chef a brief note of thanks/compliment
on the back of your business card.
When I'm dining on my own dime, I
prefer to tip in cash. Nothing says
"great job" like new, crisp Yankee
greenbacks.
Eighth, your job is to be a gracious
host, the restaurant's job is to help
you. If anything goes wrong, address it
privately if possible, and do not blow
your cool. As an example, I once had a
n00b server at a high end joint
accidentally spill wine a small amount
of wine on me {I had turned to talk to
the person on my left, and when I
turned back, I startled her,
accidentally, as she was pouring and
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she flinched}. It mostly hit my skin
{hand}, and then some on the
tablecloth so it's not like my suit
needed dry cleaning. This was a nonbig deal to me but, unluckily for her,
the Captain had arrived at exactly that
moment. I insisted it was All My Fault
and handled it with aplomb. I see her
now and again at the same restaurant,
where she's moved up in the ranks
and she never fails to come over to my
table {if I'm not already in her
section}, greet me by name, and
extend courtesies to me. It never hurts
to have a friend....toward that end....
Ninth, if warranted, review the
restaurant online. For one of my
regular joints, I wrote a review titled,
"If Heaven Has a Restaurant". Why?
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The food and service warrant it, and it
also buys a shit-ton of good will. I
emailed copies to the 2 Maitre D's I
deal with and they told me that it was
read out loud at their staff meeting by
the HMFIC, who then added "This is
how people should feel after they eat
here." The review cost me nothing
beyond the time it took to compose
{less than one hour, on company time,
anyway}, and you had better believe
that the red carpet comes rolling out
when I go there. N.B. if I am going to a
restaurant where I am, as I like to say,
a "known guy" {my own slang for
being a regular}, and there's some
sort of special occasion involved, then
I mention to the Maitre D. Oh, and if
there's a food allergy in your party.
Fucking tell them. First when you
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make the reservation and second at
the table.5
EDIT: Adding information about how to
taste wines at the table, as inspired by
/u/TheFalseKnave's comment.
How To Taste a Wine
The bit where you taste the wine is
mostly theater. You're really checking
to see if the wine is corked or
otherwise not in proper condition. This
rarely happens these days, but is still
possible, when natural cork is used; a
bottle with a screwtop or a synthetic
cork cannot be 'corked'. It may have
other problems from improper storage,
but it won't be corked.6 So does your
wine have have an 'eau du musky
basement with notes of wet dog' scent
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about it? Then it's corked. Not likely,
but possible. If this happens to you,
put the glass down, and ask the som
to taste it. He will pour himself a bit
and investigate. If it's really corked,
the restaurant should have no problem
making amends.
So the wine will be brought to table
and presented. Make sure that it
matches what you ordered. Mistakes
are rare, but possible. When you are
ordering, it's also perfectly fine to
include the bin number, as in, "Let's
start with the Peter Michael Moulin
Rouge, 2008 {if they have more than
one vintage}, bin number 8342" It's
not necessary, but they won't toss you
out for it, and it makes it easier for
them. I will typically do this with
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French wines, because my French
pronunciation will someday land me in
Language Jail in Paris for Crimes
Against The French Language.
Once the wine has been presented,
assuming it is the correct bottle,
simply nod your head, or ask them to
pour it. The cork will be removed and
placed on the table. Leave it where it
is. Sometimes I crack a joke about how
I'm tempted to screw the cork into my
ear and say "Sounds good! Pour it!"
Diners at my table will laugh because
they've never heard that, and the som
or the waiter will laugh because, well,
they pretty much have to.
The som will pour a small amount of
wine into your tasting glass. Swirl it
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gently so that the wine swirls around
the glass no higher than half way. You
can do this holding the stem or by
using your hand on the base of the
glass without it leaving the table. Your
primary goal is to keep the wine in the
glass, and your secondary goal is to
aerate it a bit and see how it will taste
when it opens up. The lines that trail
down the glass? Those are "legs" or
"tears". They used to be deemed
important by some, but really it's a
function of the alcohol content {or
viscosity} of the wine, and it has
nothing to do with quality, but if
someone thinks otherwise, don't ruin
the illusion for them.
Next, smell the wine. Get your schnoz
deep in the glass and take a good,
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deep whiff, but only one. First, you are
seeing if it's corked. Second, as smell
and taste are closely related, you are
gathering information about the wine.
Take the wine into your mouth. Some
people will draw air into their mouths,
and the sound will be similar to
someone getting that last bit of soda
or shake out with their straw. Again,
this is to see how the wine will taste
when it opens. Get a sense of the
'heft' of the wine.
Lastly, swallow. Hold for a second.
That's the wine's "finish" or aftertaste.
If the wine is acceptable ask the som
to pour it.
When can you send a wine back? I
have a rule for this. If there is
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something actually wrong with the
wine, i.e. corked, improperly stored,
otherwise damaged, sending it back
should not be an issue. If you just
don't like it? Hmm. For me, that's a
"no". If I fuck up, that's my problem.
This is why I recommend scouting the
wine list in advance, and looking for
old friends. Why? If it's a business
dinner, I want it to go smoothly, and I
want to stack the lineup with winners.
A couple of other notes:
Some places will have a 'reserve list'.
This is the "Big Boy" wine list. It's
going to {or should} have excellent
wines on it. They are also going to be
costlier than what's on the basic list. If
there's a reserve list and you know
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about it and your guests don't, and
you casually ask to see it? That will
make them feel warm and special, and
people who feel warm and special like
being around you, and they like buying
from you.
What if there's someone who is more
experienced with wine at the table?
Don't be afraid to ask their opinion.
Indeed, this is the very reason I am
invited on customer dinners, to lay the
lumber down on the wine list. Also,
customers over 40-45, especially the
long-marrieds, want to hear all about
my travels to exotic locations and my
banging of women half my age, so
they can daydream, later, about being
half as cool as me. Puts on Wayfarers.
More seriously, if there's someone at
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the table, it's always fine to include
them in the discussion. For example, I
sometimes dine with a guy who is
much better than I am with French
reds. Guess who chooses the French
reds? Exactly. If that guy is at the
table, he's in charge of France, and I'm
in charge of Italy and California. It's a
great way to learn about wines outside
of your usual neighborhood.
Finally, wine tasting is far more art
than science. It's about the
experience. "Black currant, red
cherries, forest floor...with notes of
toasty oak" If my wine glass had pine
needles in it, I would fucking send it
back to be strained. I didn't develop
taste for wine until my late 20s. But I
do know what I like, so I will usually
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describe the nose, heft and finish of
the wine. Great wine is meant to be
shared, and properly deployed it can
help build camaraderie and
relationships.
Conclusion:
1. With economic crisis, comes
opportunity.
2. Locking down a restaurant can
DHV in both SMV and BMV
(business market value), often
for little or no cash outlay
beyond the meal.
3. People like cool people, and
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clients are no exception.
===+++===
1
If you have an idea of how much, I'd
mention.
2
I know a lot about the wines that I
like to drink. I thought I was going
through a Pinot Noir phase, but it
turned out to be my life. West coast
(USA) wines are home for me. I am
also fairly comfortable ordering French
wine and Piedmont or Tuscan wines,
and non-Pinot California reds. And
don't believe that bullshit in Sideways
about Merlot. People drink Merlot b/c
it's like drinking a Cab, only without
the punishment. Oh, and speaking of
which, I also sometimes drink South
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American wines, although the
experience is like being punched in
the mouth, except you sort of like it.
Chilean wines used to be $6/btl before
they got 'discovered'.
3
I do. Australian wine makes me sweat
like it's 105 in the shade on a humid
day. At least both times I had it. After
the second time? Fuck Australian wine.
For me, I mean. I'm sure it's fine for
other people. Australians, for instance.
Maybe kiwis, too, but none for me,
thanks. Also, if you have a wine
allergy, then don't drink wine. If you
want to anyway, try having a Claritin
and an Ibuprofen before you drink.
Why? Claritin will work for most
people, and the Ibuprofen will help if
you get ill ("red wine headache" for
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example) while not reacting with the
alcohol like aspirin or Tylenol would. If
Claritin doesn't work, try something
else, or stick to vodka. Incidentally,
some folks can drink Italian red, but
not California, or vice versa. It's just a
matter of finding what you like.
4
I might name specific wines to the
Som, but I'm trying to write it in a way
that might help neophytes. If you have
some favorites, it's ok to share them,
but you're going to wind up with
something that tastes a lot like them,
which is fine if that's what you're going
for, but not if you really want to
expand your horizons.
5
Food allergies. If anyone has any
food allergies, by which I mean actual
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real food allergies, like celiac disease
or something else, as opposed to a
food "preference", such as "I'm low
carbing it to get cut" or whatever. For
example, I don't eat certain shellfish
(bivalves) because experience has
taught me not to. If it has legs or a
face (crab, lobster, arthropods) then
its ok, but bivalves? No. If you have
any food issues in your party, tell the
restaurant, first when you make the
reservation so they can note it and
second when you are at the table.
Restaurants do NOT want diners to
become ill. Help them help you.
6
There are many good wines that
come with synthetic corks or screw
top. Erath is a highly drinkable PN. Not
my favorite, but nothing wrong with it,
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and yes, it's screw top.
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CorporateLand: The
Deportment
Department, or How to
Behave
by VasiliyZaitzev | 8 October, 2016 |
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TL;DR: How to stay out of trouble in
social situations at work, plus some
other random shit.
Alcohol
The Number One way to fuck up your
otherwise awesome career. It used to
be we’d all go out, get hammered,
misbehave and there was an unspoken
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agreement that, the next day,
everyone would pretend it didn’t
happen, even if a late night call for bail
money had to be made. Sadly, those
days are Way Long Gone. Now, you
will get fired for that shit…or even the
appearance of that shit.
How, then, not to get too drunk and
behave like an asshole? Happily, there
are a number of ways. Read on.
First, I read somewhere, once, about
how the father of [famous person
whose biography I was reading]
always had a glass of alcohol in his
hand at parties: the same one he was
handed by the host when he arrived.
He would simply nurse that one for
hours. Fine if that’s what you want to
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Second, if you set a limit based on
your tolerance and comfort level. That
limit should be 0-2 drinks, inclusive.
After that ask for a glass of soda/tonic
with a lime wedge. Nobody will know
the difference, and, after a couple
pops, you won’t either.
Third, if all else fails, never be drunker
than the 3rd drunkest person there.
You do not want to be on the medal
stand. The gold medalist will draw the
most shit on the next business day
and the silver and bronze guy will
catch some heat, too, but if you’re 4th
or lower, you should be mostly ok.
Holiday Parties
These are joyless affairs that fit nicely
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into Hobbes’ description of life: Nasty,
Brutish and Short. Well, except for that
last one. They are often interminable.
And the plot comes down to, as
Chinese Gordon said, “People who
don’t like each other standing around
uncomfortably, eating food they don’t
want to eat, drinking things they don’t
want to drink and talking about things
they don’t want to talk about.”
So what to do? I treat holiday parties
like I treat family reunions: get in, tell
a couple of jokes, relive the old times,
and then get out before it blows.
Typically these things are structured
as dinners. Fine. Eat, drink (a little)
and be merry (but not too merry) and
then get out. If it starts by 7 or 8, your
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goal should be to get out by 9 or
10pm. Your mum was right: Nothing
good ever happens after 10pm. If
you have a date, and someone doesn’t
want you to leave, then it’s because
she’s not feeling well. Men (older men
like bosses) will never question that
because what if it’s, um, ‘female
troubles’? Exactly, we treat that shit
like kryptonite. Or you can just leave.
A couple of cautionary tales.
I used to work with a guy we will call
Jack MegaDouche, because that’s what
his name should have been. Jack was a
great guy. He was a great guy even
when he was drinking. Until he got to
“a drink too far”. Then he became Evil
Jack. Seriously, it was like a
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Jekyll/Hyde thing. He’d go from being
your best buddy to getting the evil
“Private Pyle” look from “Full Metal
Jacket” and taking a swing at you. It
was like he’d dropped off a cliff.
So at the office Christmas party, I see
him by the bar, and I stop and say
hello, just as the Telltale Drink arrives.
About the point that shit was going to
get bad—like he was going to take a
swing at me for no reason, and I was
going to have to step out of the way so
his follow-through carried him past
me—one of our co-workers arrived,
and I took that opportunity to beat
feet. So anyway, two guys tried to put
him into a cab, because he was
hammered and he took a swing at
them.
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So the next day at work he had a shot
at saving his job, but he came in Still
Drunk and started arguing with his
boss, who stopped the meeting after 5
minutes and fired him on the spot.
Don’t Be That Guy.
We also have a guy who brought a
couple of escorts last year. He has a
$100M book. They were actually
discussing firing him.
Let me repeat that: he has a $100M
book. That used to make you
bulletproof. As in taking a dump on the
CEO’s desk would probably be
forgiven. No longer. Now, we didn’t fire
him, but that doesn’t mean it can’t
happen.
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The Sphincter Police—you know the
type… “But…but…but that might look
bad!!!” …the kind of turds you want to
punch in the face for being
turds—have ruined corporate gift
giving. So basically when it comes to
gifts and (more commonly) business
dinners, everyone ass-rapes their
corporate policy and STFU about it. We
also have a “per person” cap on
business dinners, so what happens is
the guy running the dinner just adds
people.
Business Dinners
Another thing the pencil pushers have
tried to ruin. The third of fourth time
my current firm got bought, the new
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owners put in a per-person limit on
dining expenses. The solution?
Suddenly, there are twice the number
of people at dinner. I asked a VP once
if he enjoyed dinner last night at
Maison Trop Chere. He demurred that
he had not been at it, to which I
replied, “Oh, well…you’re going on the
expense report.” This was in front of
the CEO, who chuckled.
Your enemy in all this is the Evil
Expense Goblin. They are little
pinheaded morons who think they
have total scored by disallowing an
expense. They beat off at night at the
thought of catching someone charging
an in-room movie. It’s that bad.
The best thing you can do to up the
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quality of your meals is have a VIP
customer with you. We have a guy
who sends us 8 figures a year, and
that first number isn’t a “1”. He gets
whatever he wants. If he wanted to go
to a French restaurant, in France, I am
pretty convinced we would find a way
to make it happen. The more
unassailable your companions are the
easier your reporting life will become.
I used to have a friend at Amex who
would jump me ahead of people on
short notice at hard to get into
restaurants. The kicker was I’d have to
use my personal Amex because he
knew my account backwards and
forwards and if he ever caught shit for
it, he needed to be able to pull up the
numbers, show his boss that we’d
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dropped a lot of $ on wine, etc. The
Expense Goblins no likey. Why?
Because we had gotten corporate
cards along the way and it was
thereafter VERBOTEN to use personal
cards for corporate expenses
thereafter. 1
So what to do? This is one case where
I asked permission first, rather than
begged forgiveness, after. I am the
“go-to” guy at the company for the
upper right-hand part of the country. If
it happens north of DC and east of
Indiana, it’s got my fingerprints on it. I
shot a note off to our CEO, Daddy
BigBalls and he approved it. I
forwarded this note off to my admin
and everything was cool. The dinner
went great, client was happy, and my
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…got rejected. That was Five Large on
my personal card. Fuck. Now, the
Expense Goblins are not known to be
creative thinkers. That’s why they do
what they do. So my poor admin had
been trying to get this approved and
kept getting nowhere, mostly because
she’s a sweet girl. So I have her
forward the email chain to me, and
sure enough, all the way at the bottom
was the approval. So I shoot a note
back to the Goblin in Chief with the
following note:
“Pls. scroll to the bottom where you
will find the following message:
‘Approved. Daddy BigBalls’. That’s
who my next phone call is going to.
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Let me know how you wish to
proceed.”
Translation: “Hey, fuckhead. I realize
that you have a brain the size of a
walnut…a very small walnut…that has
never been used, but you have ten
minutes to get your head out of your
ass or you’re getting fired. I’m
counting backwards, starting now….”
5 minutes later, I get a note back “This
is approved”. No shit it was approved.
Now go back to gazing at your navel,
or whatever losers do when they’re
not fucking up.
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1
Most corporate rules are fucking
stupid, but this one actually makes
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sense. Why? I could, conceivably
charge up a lot of shit, get reimbursed
for it, and then return it. Is that fucking
stupid? Sure. Yet people do it.
Sex, Religion, Politics
Topics to be avoided.
Sex
It’s work, not a singles bar. Sure, it’d
be fun to nail Amanda in Accounting
who plays tennis all summer, has a
savage tan and superbly toned ass.
Maybe it’s worth it to you to nail her, I
don’t know. OTOH, all it takes is her
feeling “weird” about you one day and
your ass is grass.
If you do want to fish off of the
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company pier, it would be better for
you to pick someone who has more to
lose than you do. I used to bang a 23
y.o. Admin. She pretty much had the
“Rear of the Year”. Dat Azz was
PERFECT. Anyway, she also had a
fiancé, so the last thing she was going
to do was rat me out. We had a fun
time, then she got married, and it was
hands off. I am pretty sure he’s the
father of all of her kids. Pretty sure.
Note: Engaged women seem to go
through a phase b/w Acquisition of
Engagement Ring and Wedding Day
where they need constant validation of
their continued appeal to men who are
not their future husbands. Maybe not
every one of them, but it’d definitely a
trend. So you might score or you
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might have her pull a “What?! You
KNOW I am engaged to be married!”
Just be careful.
Oh, and here’s how crazy women can
be. I know a woman who works at a
Famous Wall Street Bank. If you name
the first four of five big financial
institutions you can think of, it will be
one of those. So she's an admin and
starts fucking a guy at work. And she's
totally cool about it. The guy's wife
finds out and raises Holy Hell. She
basically forces the guy--who is, as it
turns out, a total pussy--to make it a
work issue (she also rats out my friend
to her husband; they were amicably
separated and in the process of
divorcing and he couldn't have given a
shit, but that's how vengeful this bitch
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So what happens? The guy was
actually on track for big things. HR
calls my friend in and asks "What do
you want?" And pretty much what she
wanted was going to happen. Think
about that for a bit. She basically said
that she wanted all the bullshit to go
away, and to keep working there, and
she wasn't going to complain and
would basically be a good citizen.
They transferred the guy from HQ to
an office that was maybe 45 minutes
away, but it might as well have been
Alaska. Or the moon. He was going to
make the $ he was making, but his
fast track career ended the day he let
his crazy ass wife start making work
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So yeah, there is a >99% chance that
you can bonk a chick from work and
nothing catastrophic will happen. But
it's like a kidnapping; it's a low
frequency/high impact event. And Bob
MegaStar might survive it, but you,
noob, are not yet Bob MegaStar.
As the Italians say, "Don't shit where
you eat" (only they say it in Italian.)
Religion
If you’ve found God, great for you. Ask
him WTF is up with cancer in children
and why he seems to send tornados to
destroy trailer parks, and finally:
Women. Massive design flaw or did he
do that shit on purpose?
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Then ask him if He can make a rock so
heavy even He can’t lift it and watch
him vanish in a puff of logic.
The only acceptable mentions of
religion are “the wedding is at ‘Our
Lady of Perpetual Responsibility’
parish in June,” or “The baptism will be
held at St. Trinian’s Church for
Wayward Girls” or “The funeral mass
will be at 77th Baptist on 76th street
at 7pm.” Otherwise, nobody gives a
shit, and those that do will be
“offended” about it.
Politics
This is also a no-go these days. It used
to be that if you disagreed with your
neighbor about politics that was ok.
You’d make fun of each other and go
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back to being friends. Now everyone
gets their Man Panties twisted up over
it.
I was out with a hard core right wing
evangelical that I work with, who quite
sensibly understands to keep his
opinions to himself, for the most part.
The two guys on the other side of the
table were from a consultant, and one
of them chose to lead off with his deep
abiding hatred of George W. Bush. He
even knew he shouldn’t have, because
he said so, all while his partner was
looking at him like “Will you, for god’s
sake, STOP FUCKING TALKING?!” So I
waited for a pause and said “Yes, but
on the other hand, I understand he has
a fine singing voice.” So the guy looks
at me like, ‘Wut?’ and I say, “Oh, I
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have no idea if he does or not, but you
were clearly trapped in some sort of
death spiral and I was trying to spring
you out of it” that broke the tension
and the conversation moved on to
business.
You never know what the beliefs of
your customer/counterparty/business
partner are and these days you don’t
want to find out in the wrong way.
How to Recover if You’ve Stepped
in it
A few months ago, I was out with a
business partner, and this time it was
me who had too much wine and we
really got into it about some or other
politics thing. In the context of our
long relationship, this was “ok” but not
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great. All within the realm of civilized
society, of course, but still. Neither he
nor I ‘punish’ other people for having
different views. So anyway, the next
day he rang me to ask about some
things he already knew the answer to,
but really he was taking my
temperature to make sure I wasn’t still
hot about whatever it is we were
arguing about. It worked out fine, and
at the next dinner I made some crack
about going easy on the wine lest
some of my more obscure views
escape out of my mouth and everyone
laughed. But you can’t count on
people being cool anymore.
The one office lib decided to wax
poetic about Bernie Sanders win in NH
– and no surprise, everyone in
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CorporateLand regards Bernie Sanders
as something between a joke and a
bacillus – and you could just see the
collars heating up. So I interrupted the
guy and said, “My biggest concern
about Sanders is, if he’s here, who is
going to help Marty get Back to the
Future?” Dumb joke? Sure. But it killed
that particular asshattery and the
conversation moved on.
If you get juiced at an office function,
you can expect to have to spend the
next 4-5 such functions sober as a
monk, unless everyone else was
juiced, also.
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CorporateLand:
Working With Working
Women In The Modern
Corporate
Environment
by VasiliyZaitzev | 25 April, 2016 | Link
Introduction:
Working with women in the modern
corporate environment. It’s not as
much fun as it used to be, for both
men and women, mostly b/c of SJW
thundercunts. I had a question about
this a couple of weeks ago, and I
expanded it into a "CorporateLand"
post, for the benefit of guys who will
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spend at least part of their careers in
CorporateLand.
Body:
There are two types of women in the
office: Pre-Wall and Post-Wall.
For the Post-Wall/Mother Hen
types, utilize "classic" Western
chivalry. Hold doors, offer help if they
are carrying something heavy, etc.
They've become (or are in the process
of becoming) unused to attention from
men. You aren't gaming them, at all
but just being helpful & nice, like your
mama taught you. Like a bluepill. But
you don't care about banging them,
you just want them to like you, and
say "He's such a nice man" and such.
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Ex. Years ago, at a different gig, I
happened to come into the office in
the early evening as I sometimes do nobody around to pester me, so you
can get three hours of work done in an
hour - and the HMFIC's admin was
working on some huge project. So
after just dropping by to alert her that
I was on the floor--women working
alone at night can be a bit jumpy -and exchanging pleasantries, so I
wouldn't scare the shit out of her
accidentally, I went about my
business.
As I was leaving, I noticed she was
preparing what appeared to be a
rather heavy box to be used at an offsite the next day, so without really
thinking about it, I offered to carry it
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down to her car for her. Turns out it
was a really heavy box, but I hoisted it
on to my shoulder and off we went.
Anyway, that was enough to get me
onto her VIP list, and I didn't realize
the extent that she had the ear of her
boss, the HMFIC. Also, although I didn't
know it at the time, as I was still
something of a plebe at that point,
she's an office politician in something
of a "Griselda Blanco" kind of way, and
good at rewarding her friends and
punishing her enemies.
For the Pre-Wall/Baby Chick types,
you want to run light game, but never
give the impression that it's anything
more than "in fun". Because HR
doesn't have much of a sense of
humor. Keep it light and fun, and
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stylish, not overt, and NO KINO. A lot
depends on who you are. I had a
former boss who was a total perv
towards women in the office, but he
would get away with it b/c he was a
white-haired, grandpa type. You could
see women doing the math in their
heads and he always fell above the
age line; i.e., a younger guy would
have gotten nailed for it. I'm late 40s
so I can easily camouflage myself as a
"Kindly Uncle" {N.B. as opposed to the
"Creepy Uncle; it's important} when
need be. Also, at this point I've been a
"known guy" at work for nearly a
decade. N.B. Eventually, gramps toned
it down because he didn’t want to get
set adrift on an ice floe.
There are of course, exceptions. If the
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young chick is an SJW or otherwise
psycho, maintain a perimeter, and
keep interactions to a minimum.
Oh, and a final point: the young hottie
types, even the marginal ones, are
going to have “young hot chick
privilege” rocking. They’re used to it,
and they don’t want to give it up. Too
many young women spend their time
being Too Cool For The Universe only
to arrive in their 30s, wondering where
all the male attention went.
Some Sample Interactions:
I work with an older lady, in her 50s
who you can tell was smoking hot back
in the day, and who many guys in the
office would happily bang now. Even
one of the gay guys. Or so he told me.
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Anyway, she and I have a very friendly
relationship as we're both natural
extroverts, and I'm good at greasing
her deals through. A lot of the younger
women in the office look up to her as a
role model, thus she provides me with
a TON of social proof as she's very
flirty, touch feely with me in social
(like after hours) situations.
Similarly, I used to work with a woman
named "Maria", who was well-past the
Wall, had four kids and had never lost
the baby weight and had packed on a
bunch more besides, and likely hadn't
been railed out by her hubby since the
first Clinton Administration. So as it
turns out, I'm a singer, and she walked
into the coffee room one day while I
was pouring a cup and I sang the first
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few bars of "Maria" from "West Side
Story". Now, clearly I was just being
amusing, but it did make her whole
day.
Do I do this from a Machiavellian
perspective? Not really. I was happy to
make Maria smile, and I enjoy the
sales chick's company, in addition to
the social proof she provides. Life is
short and work sucks. Why not have
fun? And if the fun pays dividends, so
much the better.
What To Do When You’re The FNG
When you're the FNG, keep your
mouth shut until you learn the terrain.
These things will be revealed over
time. Some people leave obvious clues
in the cubes/offices, others do not.
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Listen more than you speak, and
proceed from there. Find out who is
reliable and who isn’t. Avoid having a
female boss if possible. If not, an older
one who gets it is ok. There is a very
senior lady boss where I work who I
would go to war with 7 out of 7 days of
the week. Why? Because she totally
thinks like a dude. I’m convinced she
can’t wear miniskirts because then
everyone could see her balls.
The real problem is communication
style. Women tend to be more obtuse
and say things like "Oh whenever you
get to it", when they really mean "By
noon, tomorrow." So with a lady boss,
emphasize clarity. Ask for specific
milestones/deadlines/etc., and things
will go more smoothly.
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Oh, and it's not just us. You know who
else prefers having a male boss?
Women. More than we do. By a lot.
Why? Because women understand
other women, and they hate each
other. And male bosses are more
predictable, mood-wise, etc.
Regarding direct reports, women are
going to have more problems/drama,
come in later, leave earlier and take
more sick days. Those are just the
facts. It's part of the reason we get
paid more - when we do get paid
more.
From the "hire" side of the desk, I will
hire old, ugly and skilled over young &
big tits, because Y&BT, even if she has
talent, will have DRAMA. You will
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wind up doing, or delegating,
Y&BT's work.
Women You Will Meet At Work
The Lazy Ho’. I had a CA once who
was a total pain in the ass. She'd had
her last boss wrapped around her
finger, and was lazy as fuck. Always
agitating for more money -- she knew
that the last woman who had the job
before her got paid way more. Of
course that woman had a shit-ton
more talent.
So this chick was also rocking the
'rocker chick slut look', and she did
have a nice body, but was something
of a "butter face", etc. If you ask me,
she needed a good scrubbing—and
that vag had seen more sausage than
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She would complain a lot and I finally
told her if she put as much effort into
doing her work as she did trying to get
out of it, she wouldn't have any
problems. So when we hired her - it
was the HMFIC's call, not mine – the
Hens thought I would go easy on her,
but when I didn't they were
happy—because women hate other
women, and, well, the CA was a lazy
ho’. And when she tried to make a
move on me with the Dept Chair, the
Hens locked themselves into a phalanx
around me, and totally had my back.
Verdict: The Rebellion was CRUSHED,
mercilessly. Another reason to
cultivate the hens….
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You are going to find some good
citizens, though. You just have to
understand who you're dealing with. If
you think someone is a bit sketchy,
leave the door to your office open or
have a 3rd person present in the
meeting, if possible. Or meet in a
conference room, preferably the
"fishbowl" kind.
The Nosey Parker Once upon a time,
my department had an intern who was
always nosing her way into
conversations that didn’t involve her.
So I took to closing the door to my
office when I had the other intern, who
was a chill guy, in so we could talk
about sport, politics and pussy without
“Little Sister” eavesdropping on
everything.
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Evidently, this counted as
“intentionally excluding her”. Or so the
chick from HR said. When she asked if
I was intentionally excluding her, I
said, “If you mean am I intentionally
excluding her from conversations that
are none of her business but that she
wants to overhear because she’s
nosey? Then yes, yes I am.”
So I started giving her work. And when
she was done, I gave her more work.
And more. Maybe she even did some
of it, but I didn’t care, because it was
nonsense, busy work but it made her
feel important and keep her out of my
way.
The Sick Girl Women take more sick
days. They come in later and they
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leave earlier. And when they have
kids, they get sicker, because,
evidently, there are things called
“schools” or “kindergartens” in which
disease ridden children play with each
other in close quarters and make sure
they share all of each other’s germs.
The mums bring that shit into work
with them and then infect everyone
else through the miracle of HVAC.
Oh, and when they are out sick or
taking some child to the doctor, they
will expect you to cover for them.
Free. And don’t every expect the favor
to be returned because of Briffault’s
Law and because there will be some
sort of dance recital or cub scout
meeting that gets in the way.
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The Girl Who Can’t Do Her Job I
hate this cunt. HATE HER. I left a job
over one of these. Really, it was time
for me to move on to bigger and
better things, but this chick
Could.Not.Do.Her.Job. But she knew
that I could. In fact, the extra work
would have been easy for me, and
would only have marginally added to
my workload. She also had this fucked
up idea that she could order me to do
it, and when that failed, resorted to
screaming. Like I’m Rumplestiltskin
and I’m supposed to stay late and spin
straw into gold for her…for free.
So I bailed and found a gig with fewer
issues and a substantial salary bump.
And when I left, I turned back a project
she had managed to get her boss to
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assign to me (which he could, in fact,
do), with a note to the effect that I was
leaving the firm, and wasn’t going to
get to it before I left. It involved
approximately 7 thousand pages of
review and I made sure to hold on to
it, and then return it on the Friday
before a holiday weekend. Because
fuck her, that’s why. /grin
Little Miss Selfish Women will often
wind up wanting something because
someone else has it. Any time I hint
that I’m taking a vacation week, I’ve
had one co-worker consistently chime
in that she was “might” take some
days that week. Even if she would
have just gotten back from vacation.
It’s a reflexive response or something.
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I’m not averse to changing up, with
enough notice, i.e. before tickets are
bought, and I try to avoid school
vacation weeks that my co-workers
might need. In one case, I flipped the
week before Labor Day to the week
after because school was starting or
some shit, and one of my co-workers
wanted to spend the last week of the
summer with her kids. It wasn’t a
problem, and she asked, so no biggie.
But now I just take the days I take and
everyone else can deal. Seniority,
muthafuckas. RHIP.
The Flirt
Y’know those Attention Whores on
Instagram? Yeah, well, a lot of them
have jobs and you might wind up
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working with one. Don’t fall for her
“who, me?” flirting and come-ons.
She’s just looking for validation. It’s
not worth your gig.
And yeah, “But lots of people bang coworkers!” I did, too. I used to have a
regular thing, long ago, with an admin
I worked with who pretty much had
the Rear of the Year. My flat was close
and she was DTF, so we’d bop over to
my flat once or twice a week and have
some fun, always leaving and arriving
back separately. Important Point: if
you must bang someone at work, pick
someone with more to lose than you
have. My “work plate” was engaged.
There was an understanding that the
Fun Would End before her wedding,
and it did. Now she’s married and we
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both work at different places and
AFAIK, her kids were all fathered by
her husband, who is a TOTAL betbux.
He was also worried about me, big
time. She told me about it, once, after
sex. So I said, "What does he have to
worry about? I'm only fucking you. He
can have you back when I'm done,"
and she giggled.
Even the "Good Girls", fellas...even the
'good' girls...
The Queen Bee - Often the
admin...excuse me... executive admin
for the HMFIC, such as the one I
referenced when introducing the
concept of the Mother Hen. She might
also be the Office Manager, or another
senior admin. Ex. At the place I left
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because of the chick who couldn't do
her work and expected me to do it for
her, there were two Queen Bees,
neither of whom were the CEO's admin
- the CEOs admin was untouchable,
but didn't participate in office politics.
She was sticking around to retire when
the CEO did, so she could play golf full
time instead of part-time. How
powerful was she? She named the
fucking company. So she was too busy
up on Mount Olympus to be bothered.
Meanwhile down among the plebes,
there was the Office Manager - she
had a swankier title which I don't recall
- and the admin of the 3rd or 4th
ranking guy at the firm. I'd put him at
#3, but depends on how you rank the
General Counsel, who was a cagey
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guy, but more like Templeton the Rat a survivor, for sure, but outside of the
power structure. Anyway, she was
Employee #4. Their battles were epic.
I had a cordial relationship with the
OM and was tight with the other
Queen Bee, so never had a problem.
On the rare occasion that I got crossed
up with the OM on something, I just
had the other Queen Bee take care of
it, because she always loved twisting
the knife.
This Is Important
Determine which are “good citizens”
who can be counted on. Take care of
the admins – someday you are going
to need a friend. You always want to
keep a positive balance in the Favor
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I used to joke that, if I ever announced
that I cut off my girlfriend’s head
{plate, really, but not a distinction I
made at work} then Suzanne {my
admin} would appear with a hatbox of
the appropriate size, dispose of the
evidence, and never speak of it again.
You can’t buy loyalty, you can only
inspire it.
Conclusions
-Identify the “good citizens” and
cultivate them. Reward your friends,
punish your enemies.
-The Mother Hen types often have
more power than is evident on the
surface.
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-The Baby Chick types are susceptible
to game, but keep it professional.
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CorporateLand:
Holiday Parties
by VasiliyZaitzev | 1 December, 2016 |
Link
Now that the calendar has turned over
to December, it's time for the
CorporateLand Guide to "Holiday
Parties". Some of this will be review
from "The Deportment Department"
but you delinquents need to
sometimes hear things twice, so...
Holiday Parties
These are joyless affairs that fit nicely
into Hobbes’ description of life: Nasty,
Brutish and Short. Well, except for that
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last one. They are often interminable.
And the plot comes down to, as
Chinese Gordon said, “People who
don’t like each other standing around
uncomfortably, eating food they don’t
want to eat, drinking things they don’t
want to drink and talking about things
they don’t want to talk about.”
Or, as Sartre more succinctly put it:
"Hell is other people."1
So what to do? I treat holiday parties
like I treat family reunions: get in, tell
a couple of jokes, relive the old times,
and then get out before it blows.
Typically these things are structured
as dinners. There will generally be a
“cocktail hour” first. Fine. Eat, drink (a
little) and be merry (but not too merry)
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and then get out. If it starts by 7 or 8,
your goal should be to get out by 9 or
10pm. Your mum was right: Nothing
good ever happens after 10pm.
Some Tips.
Arrive within 30 minute of the start.
This is one time when “on time” is ok.
Observe the dress code. Typically it’s
going to be semi-formal for guys
(suit/blazer and tie).
If you’re there for some face time with
the boss, or HMFIC, get it done within
the first half hour or so, before people
are starting to wish that they were
somewhere else. Get in, exchange
some pleasantries and then move on.
You’re going for Quality, not Quantity.
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And no serious convos about business,
or updating your “work list” with your
boss. Save that shit for the office.
Keep the boozing under control. One
or two to loosen up, after that, drink a
soda water with a lime wedge. If you
have more, alternate them with
‘spacers’. This doesn’t apply to your
enemies. Fuck them. Keep feeding
them doubles.
Glass goes in the left hand, so if you
run into the chairman, you can offer
your right hand to shake, and your
right hand will be body temperature
and not cold and clammy from holding
your G&T.
That was a trick; you should be holding
a soda water with a lime wedge.
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If you do get a bit out of hand, try not
to be drunker than the third drunkest
person there. You don’t want to be on
the medal stand. When shit is
discussed at work, you want to not be
a target. Let them hose the medal
winners, who will have to spend the
next 6 months sober at all office
functions to live their shit down.
No picking up women at the function.
That’s for later. Except for the CEOs
young, hot trophy wie. That’s for
NEVER. Rumors will be started
regardless. I was photographed—there
was an official party photographer—
with three women in my dept who
choreographed themselves around me
in some sort of “James Bond” diorama,
with me as Bond, and them hanging
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off of me. That was enough for rumors
to be started that I was fucking the
dept. secretary. Or the paralegal. Or
both. The third chick was ugly, so
nobody gives a shit about her and so
no rumors about the two of us. Bear in
mind that I had done nothing
untoward w.r.t them.
The bar will be open and it’s generally
ok to tip the bartenders, even though
they will tell you not to. I put down a
$20 with the first drink.
Speaking of photos, do I have to tell
you not to Instagram (or whatever)
anything?
Wake up with a clear head, and get
into work on time the next day
(holiday parties are typically not on
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Fridays to keep people in line, plus
Friday night presents a problem for
observant Jews).
Get out while the getting is good. After
dinner there will typically be some sort
of entertainment. Stay long enough to
be polite and then bail. If you have a
date, and someone doesn’t want you
to leave, then it’s because she’s not
feeling well. Men (older men like
bosses) will never question that
because what if it’s, um, ‘female
troubles’? Exactly, we treat that shit
like kryptonite. Or you can just leave.
Drop a thank you note to whomever
organized the party. Office manager,
Boss’ Admin, whatever. If you can
thank her, personally, at the party, do
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it, but otherwise, shoot her an email.
Bonus Tip: Admins and Assistants
fucking know EVERYTHING. And they
communicate with each other through
jungle drums or female intuition or
some other shit. They know who is
fucking who, who is on the rise and
who getting fired. They know which
way the wind is blowing, and how the
various chess matches are unfolding.
Cultivate them, and pump them…for
information. But don’t create
resentment.
A couple of cautionary tales.
These bear repeating.
I used to work with a guy we will call
Jack MegaDouche, because that’s what
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his name should have been. Jack was a
great guy. He was a great guy even
when he was drinking. Until he got to
“a drink too far”. Then he became Evil
Jack. Seriously, it was like a
Jekyll/Hyde thing. He’d go from being
your best buddy to getting the evil
“Private Pyle” look from “Full Metal
Jacket” and taking a swing at you. It
was like he’d dropped off a cliff.
So at the office Christmas party, I see
him by the bar, and I stop and say
hello, just as the Telltale Drink arrives.
About the point that shit was going to
get bad—like he was going to take a
swing at me for no reason, and I was
going to have to step out of the way so
his follow-through carried him past
me—one of our co-workers arrived,
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and I took that opportunity to beat
feet. So anyway, two guys tried to put
him into a cab, because he was
hammered and he took a swing at
them.
Oops.
So the next day at work he had a shot
at saving his job, but he came in Still
Drunk and started arguing with his
boss, who stopped the meeting after 5
minutes and fired him on the spot.
That's got to be tough to go home to
your wife in the middle of the morning
and explain how you got fired from
you 6 figure job for being a mean
drunk. Don’t Be That Guy.
We also have a guy who brought a
couple of escorts last year. He has a
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$100M book. They were actually
discussing firing him.
Let me repeat that: he has a $100M
book. That used to make you
bulletproof. As in taking a dump on the
CEO’s desk would probably be
forgiven. No longer. Now, we didn’t fire
him, but that doesn’t mean it can’t
happen.
Conclusion
Go. Have fun…but not too much fun,
then make good your escape. Don’t let
a night of indiscrete drinking ruin a
hard-built reputation. Remember,
nobody ever got promoted at the
holiday party, but plenty of people
have gotten fired because of them
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And really, Sartre should be made an
"honorary Anglo Saxon" for that line.
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CorporateLand:
Negotiations for
Business
by VasiliyZaitzev | 9 October, 2016 |
Link
In light of it being “Endorsed
Contributor Weekend”, I’m going to
take advantage and post this
CorporateLand piece, which is a bit
more specialized than usual. I hope
people find it useful.
Introduction
So this piece is on Commercial
Negotiations. It assumes some relative
bargaining power – in examples I will
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use, typically I have superior
knowledge, but the customer has the
power to say yes – so in that way it’s
like at TRP man trying to get a girl to
spread for him. /grin.
I negotiate for a living, and this is a
specific example of a very important
point: On any given day upwards of
85% of what I do is psychology.
The rest is facts and education about
those facts. The “psychology” bit may
be the most important thing anyone
tells you about negotiations.
While this may not be applicable for
everyone in the specific, i.e.,
commercial negotiations, it is my hope
that guys will find it has applications in
their daily lives, and you all negotiate
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in your daily lives, whether implicitly
or explicitly.
Lastly, I am basing this on negotiations
in the West, America particularly.
There will be difference across
cultures. I sometimes handle things in
other nations of the Anglopshere, but
our cousins are not so different. In the
past, I’ve done deals in Russia, where I
have a bit of an advantage over other
westerners – I carry the Anglo-Irish last
name of my father’s family, so I can be
a bit of a surprise to Slavs, but they
eventually come around to a moment
of candor that typically takes the form
of, “Vasiliy. You are not like other
Westerners. You are deep, like us.” I’m
always amused, but in a sincere way.
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You have to understand who you're
dealing with, if they have the power to
say "yes" or if they are just the
gatekeeper, and whether or not they
come from a negotiation culture and
what that culture is.
What is your risk tolerance? What is
your counterpart’s risk tolerance?
What are your “must haves”? What
are the counterpart’s “must haves”?
When are you figuring all this out?
That leads me to my first point.
Preparation.
“Failure to prepare, is preparing to
fail.” - Winston Churchill. If possible, I
try to spend the 30 minutes before a
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negotiation session preparing. Going
over the open points, going over any
previous concessions by either side,
etc.
I’m lucky if I get 15 minutes b/c
inevitably someone will interrupt me.
/shrug.
That said, I'm good with paper. I know
ours backwards and forwards and can
quote it from memory. In another gig, I
was so familiar with a primary
counterparty's paper that I could tell
you where the typos were. So I don't
feel at a disadvantage if I don't have
as much time to prepare as I'd like.
Control the Paper
This isn’t always possible, but when it
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is, use it. I let our customers redline
the fuck out of it. I love it when they
do that. It lets me see into their minds,
what they want, what they’re afraid of,
etc. No worries, though – I Use My
Powers Only For Good, And Not For
Evil.
90% of the time, I dealing with
someone I have superior knowledge
than - my industry is specialized and
I've been in it a long time. I usually try
to establish myself as the "Kindly
Uncle", who isn't out to screw them.
And you know what? Usually I'm not
out to screw them. Why? In an
industry that is extremely price
sensitive we retain a ridiculously high
percentage of our customers, and you
retain customers by keeping them
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happy. I've had guy go chasing a
nickel or a dime, but odds are 6-12
months later, I see those guys again
b/c the guy that gave their business to
fucked them. My goal is to be "Steady
Eddie" - make my margin, return client
phone calls, and no surprises on their
bills.
Never Negotiate out of
Fear/Weakness
The best time to buy a new job or car
is when you have a job, or car that
runs. Sales guys get itchy when we’re
down to the end, because their loyalty
is to the deal. I’ve had them get all
spun up about a customer asking for
something stupid and me saying no.
“But what if they walk over this?!” I
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wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve
heard that. If I’m in a cruel mood I
reply, “Then you don’t get paid. But I
do.” What I usually go with is, “When
was the last time we had a client walk
over [whatever]? Would that be
‘Never’?”
Incidentally, I have never once had a
deal collapse at the end because I
didn’t give in on a customer’s nutty
last minute request.
Know What Your Risk Tolerance Is.
If you don’t want any risk, simple,
don’t do any business. That said, you
don’t have to be crazy either. Proper
risk controls have saved more firms
than they’ve cost, although you will
lose deals from time to time.
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Think About What the Other Guy
Needs
This is particularly useful when it’s
something I don’t care about, because
I will attach a concession to it. If it’s
that fucking important to him, then
there should be some juice in it for
me.
That said, be as Fair as You Can,
Within Your Parameters. It will keep
your customers coming back. I
remember guys who did me a solid.
And I also remember guys who didn’t.
Negotiation Culture
Middle Easterners, Russians, Guys who
are afraid they’re getting ripped off,
lawyers who think that any idea
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proposed by the other side’s lawyer is
automatically bad.
There are also gender differences
among lawyers. Women are the worst.
They are also often the best. There are
3 women I deal with regularly who are
pure joy to work with. They know what
ask for, what not to ask for and their
“emotional intelligence” in dealing
with their clients – and with me – is
quite high. OTOH, I’ve also had women
attys – and I have never ONCE had a
male attorney do this – come back to
the table after 95% of everything was
finished and say, “I was thinking about
this last night, and I want to reopen
discussions on [fucking
EVERTYHING]…” That gets a “HELL,
no.”
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Don’t Be Afraid to Say “No”
If you don’t like the deal, and you can’t
get it on terms that work for you, then
walk away. It’s seldom the end of the
world.
This is, incidentally, how I treat car
buying. The dealership will be there
tomorrow, and they will have cars to
sell, as well every OTHER dealership.
So if I don’t like a deal, I walk. I also
establish my street cred, first, i.e., I’m
the sole decision-maker (i.e. I don’t
have a wife telling me I can’t have a
Porsche or whatever), and if I get the
deal I want, I’m dropping the hammer
on it. I also fall in love with deals, not
cars (or houses, or horses or
whatever).
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Don’t like the deal? Adjourn and
reconvene later.
Don’t Make a Guy Lose Face
Unnecessarily
One of the worst things I, as a lawyer,
can do is force another lawyer to say
“I don’t know” in front of his client, so I
don’t do it, if at all possible. Usually, I
prepared a point by point response in
one or two pages so the guy can
review it however many times. Words
disappear into the air; you can read a
memo over and over. But, on a related
point….
Never Let The Dumbest Guy in the
Room Dictate The Deal
This really sucks when it’s the other
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side’s decision-maker, but sometimes
that’s how it is. In such cases I wind up
dealing with our sales guys and have
to drive two points home: “I’m sorry
Steve doesn’t get it, but the next time
I give on [term] will be the FIRST
time.” I will often remind our sales
guys that, “Well I guess you’ll have to,
you know, SELL.” That can be a bit of a
dick move, but our guys also know
that when I refuse a term, there’s a
reason, and I’m not just saying ‘no’
because I’m afraid or because I don’t
understand something.
Don’t Gloat
Many years ago, when I was just a
young lawyer, I was trying to work out
a deal for a client who had fucked
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things up, royally. My position was
bad, and there wasn’t a “blow up”
option that wasn’t worse. It truly
sucked. Even worse, the lawyer I was
dealing with was a guy who was really
full of himself. Not only was he an
asshole on some of the terms where it
was just unnecessary, but he made a
point of rubbing my face in it at the
conclusion. What could I do? I had a
weak position and blowing things up
wasn’t an option.
But your Uncle Vasya has a long
memory. How long? When the
elephants forget something, they
come to me.
So some months went by and,
wouldn’t you know it? I had another
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matter with the guy. And guess who
had the whip hand this time? I was an
absolute bastard on every little detail.
And then sometimes, on points that
were settled, I would “change my
mind” and ask for more concessions. I
would always be very emotionless and
surgical about it, and I never blew my
cool. Why? Because never blow your
cool. Let the other guy blow his cool,
and look like a dick.
So, did I fuck him? Motherfucking right
I did. Long and hard. My cock was so
far up his ass it was bumping into the
inside of the dome of his skull.
Everyone knew about it, too. How?
Dumb shit couldn’t stop complaining
about me to anyone who would listen.
Now, discussing client matters isn’t
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smart to begin with, but why advertise
a loss to your colleagues? If you want
sympathy it’s in the dictionary
between “shit” and “syphilis”. I also
had a reputation as a dealmaker, so I
had guys I knew calling up and asking
why I had done what I did, which gave
me a chance to put the word out
myself.1 That was important because…
A Good Reputation is a Mighty
Shield.
Within my professional community
and, separately, my social life, I can go
places other people can’t go, do things
other people can’t do, and talk to
people other people can’t talk to, all
without arousing suspicion. Why?
Because in those milieus, I am a
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“Known Guy”. If I give you my word on
something it’s 24K. I’m particularly
careful about it, because if you blow it
once, things will never be the same.
Use of Humor
Humor can be a valuable ally, but you
have to be able to pull it off. One of
my favorite stories involved my C.A.
fucking up the counterpart's address
(Suite 100 instead of Suite 1000). So
that was their first note on the phone
and I replied, in a measured tone,
"Hmm. I think I can agree to that
change." For whatever reason,
probably involving the counterpart
thinking this call was going to suck, it
worked.
Brutal Honesty
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I had a call go on waaaay too long
once. A more experienced me would
have cut it off much sooner. It involved
a middle eastern and an Asian
counterparty making stupid demands.
Finally, I said, "Look. I live ten minutes
from the office. I have nowhere else to
go and nothing else to do today. You
are NOT going to wear me down. Ten
minutes after this phone call, I will be
sitting down to a hot meal. We can
either start making progress, or I can
hang up and go have dinner. Your
call."
This is another one where you have to
be careful how you play it. I had a
nervous client, but one who was
mollified by me telling him, "You can
have a shitty deal right now, or you
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can have a good deal in 24-48 hours.
Tell me which one you want."
Conclusions
I’d put bullet points here, but you can
just look at the bolded stuff, above. I
probably missed some stuff, but at this
point, a lot of what I do is
subconscious. Once of our dealmakers told me that he sometimes
listens to counterparties questions and
wonder "Wow. How is he going to
handle that one? But then you just
do." That's high praise because that
guy is a long ball hitter. Sometimes his
boss will call me, informally, and ask
"Do you think this or that deal with
close?" On his deals, the answer is
very often "If it were anyone else? No.
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But that guy closes deals that nobody
else closes, so Ima go with 'Yes' on
that one."
But anyway, I digress. I hope the
above helps, and if not, there are
other threads.
1
Everyone got it. “Motherfucker had it
coming.” Lots of nodding heads and no
damage to me.
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CorporateLand: How to
Live and Travel Like a
Prince and Live Like a
Maharajah, Part I
by VasiliyZaitzev | 26 April, 2016 | Link
Note: Some folks got butthurt about
the title of this one. It's simply a
"beginner's guide" to making business
travel as tolerable as possible and
leveraging that business travel to
improve personal travel. It's not
"humblebragging" because, rest
assured, I am not humble.
TL;DR
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Travel veteran explains how to use
your business travel to maximize your
lifestyle, whether at work or at play. I
will assume little or no travel
experience throughout, so
experienced folks may find this article
a bit simple.
This sort of article may be of interest
to some, but not others, because of it's
more focused nature. If it helps you,
great. If not, there are other threads.
Fair Warning: This is going to be a long
post. For real.
Body
I live on one coast and am frequently
required to travel to the other coast
{and sometimes Europe} at the
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behest of my employer. I’ve logged
over a million miles in the air, which,
while it doesn’t qualify me as a true
road warrior anymore, I have learned a
lot about making my life easier while
up in the air and in strange beds.
Here’s a handy primer for you.
Note: this is an introduction, in which I
will hit on some points that will require
further study, depending on one’s
particular needs. There are entire
travel IBBs dedicated to these subject
and it wouldn’t hurt to bone up on
them there: Flyertalk, TripAdvisor,
Oyster, etc.
Getting There: Planes, Trains &
Automobiles
Up In The Air
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I have a rule these days: either I’m in
business, or I’m not going. Why?
Because I like comfort, I like preboarding, and I especially like their
free booze. I also have zero interest in
sitting in steerage. Coach class seats
were designed by Tomás de
Torquemada Grand Inquisitor of Spain.
And you don’t want me there, either, if
you have the misfortune of sitting in
an adjacent seat. From the time I was
14 years old, my shoulders have been
broader than a coach seat, so I either
lean out into the aisle or my shoulder
goes into the ear of the sad-faced,
unlucky person sitting next to me.
So how to set about it? If you are
going to be traveling regularly, you
may have a corporate travel
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department that makes arrangements
for you. If so, you have my
condolences, because they don’t give
a shit about your care and comfort. If
you’re lucky, they care about getting
you to where you’re going, when you
get there, how many connections you
have or where you sit – and believe
me, the only reason to sit in the last
row of an aircraft is because you have
diarrhea or you want to meet people
who do. I have only worked at one
place that insisted that I use their
provider. I would choose my bookings
and tell them to book them. They
wouldn’t listen of course, but happily
they were sloppy, so once I had
demonstrated that I could find better
routings at lower cost, I was exempted
entirely. More freedom, more comfort,
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all is right in the world.
Companies will often have rules about
when you can fly business, otherwise,
it’s cattle class. Where I work it used
to be coach only, until one of the
poobahs had to fly a lot of transcons
and suddenly if you were in the air for
4 hours you could fly business. I used
to defeat this by booking a Y class
{the most expensive coach fare} and
then buying an upgrade {often for not
very much} or use miles, and voila!,
I’m in business, figuratively and
literally. I’d make sure it was papered
up, meaning I could produce a receipt
for coach class, and then the expense
gnomes could go back to sleep in their
9-to-5 coffins.
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Air travel isn’t as regal as the old days,
unless you are on Singapore, Cathay,
Emirates, Eithad or, lately, Turkish {or
so I hear}, but there are reasons for
grouping your travel under the aegis
of an Alliance. 1 Which one you pick is
entirely dependent on what your
destinations, both domestic and
foreign, will be. If it’s Atlanta, Paris and
New York, welcome to Skyteam.
Berlin, Chicago and Singapore? Hello,
Star Alliance. London & New York?
Congrats, you can pick just about
anyone.
There are a few wrinkles. For example,
I met a Brit once on KLM and thought
it odd that he was on KLM, as he lived
in England, but as it turns out KLM has
a city hopper flight from AMS to
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somewhere midlands-sounding
{Norwich?} that drops him into an
airport 15 minutes from his house. So
all of his trips to the States are on
Skyteam airlines. Go figure.
I am something of a Skyteam hostage
because my transcons for work are
best made on Delta, in terms of
convenience and usually price. Most of
my foreign travel is to Europe, so I try
to route through either AMS or – and
this surprises people – Moscow.
Skyteam’s other Western European
hub, CDG in Paris is a bit of a
clusterfuck. It’s badly designed and it’s
run by the French. It’s also considered
to be a bit of a black hole for checked
bags. Much better to use Amsterdam,
home of the friendly, efficient,
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America-loving {or at least willing to
fake it}, and perfectly-willing-to-speakEnglish Dutch. London is more of a
destination for me, so I fly either DL or
Virgin – Virgin’s “Clubhouses” are
always a delight.
So why do I use Moscow and a
connecting airport? Delta formerly flew
there non-stop, but now it’s Aeroflot.
Aeroflot’s pricing is typically favorable,
and I can flirt with the stewardesses in
Russian. The food and accommodation
is comparable to a big western airline,
and it’s a 9-10 hour flight, which
means I can have dinner, watch a
movie and get 6 hours of sleep, which
is basically all I need. Even better,
when I bounce back into Europe from
SVO, it’s on a plane with a proper
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business class, rather than just a
coach configuration with the middle
seat blocked out.
Now that SVO has been built out, it’s a
modern airport. There won’t be as
many English-speakers, but if you’re
jammed up usually someone will
happen along. On my last transfer the
GAs didn’t speak English, but I
overheard a young American in line in
front of me asking them for the
location of the nearest toilets, so I
leaned forward and answered her
question in English. Also, the Russians
aren’t PC at all, so I breeze through
security without even opening my
laptop bag, but I suspect if I looked
like Osama bin Laden’s cousin things
might go differently. The Russians
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There are three major alliances: Star
Alliance {United, Lufthansa, Austrian,
Scandinavian, Swiss, Singapore,
Turkish plus some others}, SkyTeam
{Delta, Air France, KLM, Aeroflot,
Aeromexico, Alitalia {sort of}, KAL,
Czech and some others), and
OneWorld {American, BA, Cathay, JAL,
Qantas, Qatar, and some others}.
There are some notable independents
- Emirates, Etihad, Virgin Atlantic,
Iceland Air as well as LCCs {low coast
carriers} such as Ryan Air, Jet Blue,
Southwest, etc. Virgin Atlantic is 49%
owned by Delta and so miles can be
directed to one’s Delta account, and if
memory serves, Jet Blue has some
deal with Etihad, but unless you’re
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flying to the ME a lot or through the
ME to India it’s not going to matter
very much. There’s always someone
trying to run an “all-business class”
outfit between NYC and London and
Paris, the latest of which is
LaCompagnie.
Are You A Frequent Flyer? Or a
Frequent Fleer?
So once you have sussed out what
airlines you will be flying, it’s time to
sign up for those airlines’ frequent
flyer programs. The only active ones I
have at the moment are Delta and
United. There is a distinction to be
drawn between “miles” and
“qualification miles”…the latter are
what’s important. They are sometimes
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called “BiS” miles by road warriors,
which is short for “Butt in Seat”. Those
are the ones that count in determining
‘status’ with an airline, and with status
comes perqs. There are a few other
ways to get “qualification miles”, but
those are typically the result of
spending exorbitant amounts on
personal credit cards, or “topping up”
at the end of the year.
Taking the ‘Dis’ Out of
“Discomfort”
So airports are zoos now. The trick is
to get enough frequent flyer swag to
get to use the better-trained humans
at the elite-priority-whatever counters.
Generally, you have to be at least a
“gold” or 2nd tier up from peons. You
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should really be ticketing yourself at
home, preferably by printing your
boarding pass to pdr, so you can email
it to your admin for your expense
report. I also like to carry a paper
ticket in case something goes wrong,
as it inevitably will – dead phone
battery, no bars, whatever.
So when you check bags – and try to
avoid this, because it’s a pain in the
ass, now – leave them with the nice
person at the elite counter, then head
over to security. This is always much
more of a hassle than it needs to be,
but they’re really putting on floor show
for Ma and Pa Kettle from Dubuque or
some other gawdawful place2 The
bottom line is, if some sand rat gets up
and yells “Allah akbar!” it’s basically
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up to the dudes on the plane to make
him eat their fists. Up In The Air,
you’re on what cops call “YOYO” time
– you’re on your own.
So a better way to handle security is
to get TSA – Pre. The government
already has a shit-ton of information
about you, and always has…now
they’re just better at organizing it. So
why not put it to work for you?
Basically, you fill out a form, they
figure out if you’re a Wrong Guy
somehow – criminal record, hang out
with Sand People in Pakistan or some
other shithole, etc. – then they either
give it to you or not. I travel overseas
and so it comes with my Global Entry,
which lets me cut the line at
immigration and customs and use the
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kiosks, so, because I don’t check bags,
it takes me 15 minutes from the plane
to landside, rather than being tossed
about like a dinghy on a sea of thirdworlders milling about like the
fucktards that they are, plus the
domestic dummies in the “Citizens”
lane. The worst part is when there are
cordoned lanes before you get to the
arrival section because there’s always
some idiot who has to stop and think
shit over and clog things up.
TSA – Pre probably comes with SENTRI
also, which is for people who go to
Mexico for whatever reason, and
NEXUS with is the same thing, only for
Canada. My understanding is that if
you are GE and you bring your GE card
you can use the SENTRI lanes on land
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crossings with Mexico. I really only
care about immigration at airports and
also getting past security more
quickly. The good news is, while the
TSA ain’t great, it’s better than the
fucking losers they had before, who
were working airport security because
they couldn’t hold down a job at the
7-11. Ideally, the Pre line will be way
shorter and quicker, because you
don’t have to take your shoes off,
have your toothpaste in a plastic bag
or whatever. Active duty military
personnel who are in uniform can use
the Pre lanes, which I’m totally fine
with. If there’s a nutter on my flight, I
want him to think twice.
So once you are Inside the Wire, your
next move is to have enough cred to
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get into an airport club. While they
don’t have strippers and Beef
Wellington, like back in the old days,
there tend to be fewer screaming
children, some kind of decent free
booze and some snacks, at least. Delta
now lets you pay for their “premium”
booze – the stuff they charge for – with
miles, which is nice.
You can get in by flying business or
first on an international flight, or by
having the right plastic, whether it’s a
club pass that you buy, or is gifted to
you by the airline or because you have
high enough status with one of their
partner airlines or the right credit card,
usually Amex Platinum or Centurion
which got you into everything but
Admirals Clubs, but now only works,
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IIRC, at Delta’s SkyClubs. Diners Club –
which still exists, evidently – has a
decent network of second-tier clubs,
and then there is Priority Pass which is
like Diners only not as good. Amex is
building out its own network of clubs
and the couple that I’ve been to are
pretty good.
Clubs also often have the benefit of
having agents who can tend to your
travel needs for changes or rebookings
etc., while the Great Unwashed are
waiting in a long ass line at the
counter. It won’t be Misty and her
Pneumatic Titties anymore, but the
Golden Age has come and gone.
On the positive side, there are some
airports that I have been in that are
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little better than bus stations but
which have great club rooms. Vienna
used to be like that. It was either
finagle a way into the club, and thus
civilization, or watch the tick races on
the gentleman of indeterminate origin
sitting far too close to you on the
outside. I went into the club and drank
some Martel cognac in Charles
Martel's honor.3
Another tip: Later in the year, I will
have to be in Istanbul from time to
time. With relatively little hassle, I was
able to get Turkish Airlines to do a
status match - they will match mid-tier
and top-tier status from a competing
alliance to their program. I don't care
so much about upgrades but that midtier on Turkish gets me in to Star
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Alliance clubs that I wouldn't otherwise
be able utilize. To keep it for the next
two years all I have to do is fly one
international trip on Turkish in the
next couple of months. Or whatever.
I'll knock that out by April.
In The Bullpen
Down at the gate, try to arrive 5-10
minutes early. Whatever the boarding
time is, it’s going to be probably 5-10
minutes after before they board. If you
are in business or have the right
status, they will let you on the plane
first, but try to stand to the side,
because they let gimps on first and
also families with kids. Then there are
gate lice hanging about, because
everyone thinks there’s an
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“exception” and everyone thinks that
exception applies to them.
On board, stow your gear and relax.
The serfs will be boarding after you,
while you enjoy your PDB and settle in.
2
Dubuque may well be fine. I don’t
know, I’ve only ever flown over it. I
imagine it being really boring, with the
primary source of entertainment being
watching the tumbleweeds roll
through town. Or maybe that’s Tucson.
3
History geeks will understand that,
from a historical perspective, I should
have had some Sobieski Vodka, but
I’m not really a fan. Of the eponymous
vodka, I mean. The Polish king for
whom it is named, John III Sobieski, is
okie-fine by me, based on his
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successful defense of Vienna against
the Muslim hordes alone.
Next Part, Turning Your Hotel Into
a Vacation Villa
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CorporateLand: How
To Turn Your Hotel
Into a Vacation Villa
by VasiliyZaitzev | 26 April, 2016 | Link
Part II of: How to Live and Travel
Like a Prince and Live Like a
Maharajah
TL;DR:
Travel veteran explains how to use
your business travel to maximize your
lifestyle, whether at work or at play. I
will assume little or no travel
experience throughout, so
experienced folks may find this article
a bit simple.
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This sort of article may be of interest
to some, but not others, because of its
more focused nature. If it helps you,
great. If not, there are other threads.
Note on “Humblebragging”, which
popped up last time. First, I’m not
humble. Second, I’m not bragging – If
that’s what I wanted to do, I’d be on
Instagram. I’m just helping guys in
CoporateLand – and others – who wind
up traveling a how to maximize the
bennies. Think of it as a Red Pill
“Lifestyle” thread.
Fair Warning: This is also going to be a
long post, like the last one.
The Game
Your primary goal should be to make
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your life as seamless as possible.
Conveniently, with high-end hotels,
that’s their goal, too. The higher-end
the hotel, or the more socialist the
economy in whatever country you find
yourself, the more likely that you’re
going to people on staff who are in the
service industry as a career and not
because it’s summer, and their
university is on break. If you get to
know the lifers, that is going to break
in your favor.
Stay in the same place in each
city, or failing that, same chain of
hotels.
If you find yourself visiting the same
city, try and stay in the same place
each time such that they get to know
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you and you get to know them. Also,
just as airlines have frequent flyer
programs, hotels have frequent guest
programs. In the US, the biggest and
most well-known are Starwood
Preferred Guest, Marriott Rewards,
Hilton HHonors, IHG Rewards Club,
and Hyatt Gold Passport. The trick is to
bunch your hotel stays such that you
become a “top-tier” member of a
particular chain’s program, which will
then entitle you to perqs when you use
that chains hotels for personal travel
as well, which is, for me anyway, the
point. So all of those road-warrior
stays at Marriott Courtyards can pay
off when you’re traveling on your own
and want to stay at the Ritz.
I use Hyatt and SPG, and sometimes
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Marriot as well as Taj, which is big in
India, but last I knew had only 3 hotels
in the USA. I use Hyatt because it only
takes 50 nights to get to the top tier. I
then use the points I accumulate on
business travel, for when I travel on
my leisure time to places that have
Park Hyatts, etc. They have nice hotels
where I want to travel, and Hyatt’s
program also allows a Diamond
member to book a suite upgrade 4x
for up to 7 nights each time. Hyatt also
lets you use the “Cash & Points”
option in conjunction with the suite
upgrades — typically with most hotels
that’s an ‘either-or’ – so instead of
booking a $300 room and upgrading to
a suite, you’re booking a $125 room
and upgrading to a suite, which is nice
for when it’s time for Fun in the Sun.
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Other people prefer Marriotts or
Starwood. Whatevs. Marriott is nice
because they own Ritz Carlton…they
are also about to own Starwood. If you
are really into this sort of thing, there
are plenty of websites-blogs about
miles and points and about how you,
too, can be as savvy as the Pudding
Guy
Taj for me is a special case because I
like their Boston property. It’s the old
Ritz and has an “old luxury in an
elegant state of decay” feel to it. And
a lot of the rooms have fireplaces. And
it’s right on the Public Garden. I used
to have a plate up in the Boston area,
so I’d book a suite on special and go
up in the winter months, bring some
wine with me, have a nice fire, order
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room service, and do to her whatever I
wanted to – feed her by hand while
she knelt, nude, next to the table in
the sitting room of the suite, While I
had room service, etc. She was a very
submissive girl and the Taj was the
perfect atmosphere to use her in. Fire,
wine, snow falling gently outside,
naked hot chick at my beck and call.
What could be better?
Ok, back on point. Once you know
which hotel group you’re going to be
utilizing the most, it’s time to learn the
program and act accordingly. One of
the reasons I so often get what I want
from airlines and hotels is I make it
easy for them to say yes to me. How?
By not being a dick, and by
understanding their program and what
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they can do for me. Thus I frequently
suggest options to them, in such cases
where the need arises.
How To Choose A Villa
So how to decide whether you will like
a particular villa or not?
Do you like the bar? Always a good
indicator. One of my absolute favorite
hotels has three bars and a lounge and
a restaurant (with a great breakfast!)
and a pool that I absolutely love, thus,
it is my Villa of choice. Every time I
arrive the guest relations manager
greets me and checks me in herself
unless she’s not working that shift and
then her deputy does. When I arrive in
the room—and they know what room
type I like—there will always be a plate
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of fresh fruit waiting for me, as well as
a bottle of wine, and some
miscellaneous snacks – roasted
almonds and the like.
There’s another one I dig on the Côte
d'Azur which has great architecture,
the staff always treats me well, and
they always put a nice bottle of the
local grape in my room and when I
have people traveling with me, in their
rooms as well.
What You Need To Know On The
Go.
There’s the 800 line for Joe Everyone,
and then there’s the 800 line for
Diamonds-Platinums-IridiumsKrpytoniums. That number should be
in your phone. You’re more likely to
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get to a human. And try being calm
and pleasant. For whatever reason,
people seem to think that SCREAMING
at CSRs, threatening their jobs or
whatever will get better results, this is
seldom true and they may simply
annotate your PNR as to what a dick
you were, which isn’t going to help you
in the long run. Know the program,
and maneuver the CSR towards the
resolution that you want. If you can’t
get it, you can always say “Thanks for
trying” then hanging up and calling in
again. Remember what I said about
Hyatt letting you use Cash & Points
and suite upgrades together? I know
they do, because I’ve done this several
times, but sometimes I get a CSR who
swears I can’t.
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Lots of travel firms have Twitter
“ombudsmen” for lack of a better
term, so some traveler will tweet an
issue to the company and evidently
get it fixed right away. Delta is known
for this. I still prefer talking to a human
being. shrugs.
If you want something, ask for it.
Higher end properties, and,
increasingly, mid-range ones, will
often send emails ahead of your stay
asking if there’s anything they can do
to make your stay more comfortable.
The Woodlands, north of Houston,
once famously fulfilled a couple’s
goofy request for three red M&Ms and
a photograph of bacon that they had
put in the “special requests” box as a
joke when making a reservation
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online. A bit funny, but when you get
the pre-arrival email, if you want
something, mention it. There are a
couple of places I frequent where I
specify extra towels and particular
toiletries – the hotel stocks two
brands, one of which I prefer. The
GRMs both refer to my preferences as
“the usual arrangements”.
Tipping
For heaven’s sake, service people are
people too. I tip bellboys $5 – this is
for my rollaboard and computer bag. If
I have other bags, which I never do,
that would increase a couple of bucks
per bag. And yes “In Europe, blahblah”. I don’t care. Someday, you’re
going to need a favor. I tip
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housekeeping $5 per day under
ordinary circumstances, more if Keith
Moon visited me. Bartenders and
waiters as normal.
I don’t tip desk staff except under
extraordinary conditions. For example,
typically I have a very high tolerance
for alcohol. On one particular long
haul, a young, attractive FA took a
shine to me, and over-served me, as a
result. Alcohol and high altitude don’t
mix well.1 So by the time I arrived at
my hotel I was really affected.2 So I
tipped the girl at the front desk. And I
had a bell man show me to my room
to make sure that I got there – it was
one of those huge ‘convention’ hotels
that one can get lost in. So I tipped
him double. He asked if there was
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anything I needed and I asked for
bottled water – in California, they hand
this out like candy. He disappeared to
that floor’s supply room and returned
with a case of bottled water.
At any rate, all was well that ended
well, and when I checked back into
that hotel three weeks later, they both
remembered me fondly, or were at
least willing to fake it.
1
Although if you like tomato juice, for
whatever reason it opens up nicely in
the air. shrugs Lufthansa did a study of
what precise types of drinks they were
handing out – evidently ze Germans
like to know this sort of thing – and
half of their non-alcoholic beverage
requests were for tomato juice. When
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you see someone order it, plain, in the
sky, that’s a hint that they know what
they’re about.
2
Luckily I am a ‘happy’ drunk, and
anyway, I had hit that point that one
sometimes finds oneself in where one
simultaneously quite drunk but
extremely lucid out of necessity, such
as when one is trying to recite the
alphabet for a police officer. Or so I’m
told.
The Doormen and Bellman.
Sure they hold the door open and they
may ball hawk your bags for tips, but
they are also an invaluable source of
street-level intel, and if you, um,
“order in”, the doormen decide if the
young lady {or ladies} gets past the
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door. If I use a bellman, I tip $5 for my
two bags. In non-US$ or Euro
countries, if I don’t have local currency
handy, I use crisp, new $5 bills. And
they’re cool with it. Money is money.
Concierge and Miscellaneous
Front Desk Staff
The Concierge is your Aide-de-Camp Man Friday. Need assistance with
dinner reservations or theatre tickets
or organizing day trips? He’s your guy.
Typically I don’t need to use them, but
on a couple of occasions I have had
them arrange transportation – other
than local taxis, which is handled by
the doormen. Tip commensurate with
service received, but I usually tip a
concierge $10 or $20, more if
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warranted. So once upon a time I had
some friends who were stuck in the
middle of the city with an impending
snowstorm trying to get transportation
home with no luck. They know I travel
there so reached out, and I had them
go to the concierge at my favorite
“Villa”, who sorted them out with the
tacit understanding that I would take
care of him next time I saw him, which
I did. I was a hero to my friends and all
it cost me was $30 and a phone call.
The other front desk staff are there to
greet you, competently check you in,
validate your parking and break bills
for you, so you can tip the other staff,
and, if female, smile and look pretty.
At least that’s what I use them for.
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The maids, right? The ones that make
your bed when you’re not there?
Right. But also the “evening service”
folks and if you need something
laundered or pressed. Take advantage
of those services and feel more
comfortable. One thing I do is send off
whatever clothes I wore on the long
haul TATL flight to get laundered. It
just feels more civilized.
Sometimes, extras materialize. In a US
hotel I say in, a couple coupons turned
up from housekeeping, along with a
thank you note. One was for 500
points in their rewards program and
the other was for a free breakfast at
the little cafe place they have - like a
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coffee an pastry joint. Now, the $
value wasn't a big deal, but nice of
them to make the gesture.
Having A Friend Is A Good Thing
So at the Taj, where they were a bit
forgetful about some things, they
totally redeemed themselves by
helping me out with another Taj. I was
a frequent enough guest that I got to
know some of the staff3 and the GM
sent me an “if there is ever anything I
can do for you” email. Turns out, I was
headed for London on leisure and
staying in a Taj property there that
was quite nice with a nice price also –
London hotels are notoriously
expensive and the bang for the buck
isn’t always that great. So I pinged the
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GM the dates of my London travel and
asked if he would be so kind as to
contact the GM at the hotel there and
mention that I was a frequent guest at
Taj Boston, and would he extend every
courtesy while I was in London. This
was a huge win, as, once I arrived in
London, the red carpet came rolling
out. Probably the best stay I’ve ever
had there. All it took was an email
from the local GM that I had pretty
much scripted for him.
3
Your goal here is “friendly” but not
“BFF-y”.
Name Names
So what’s the best thing you can do to
help yourself? Praise can be better
than money. Every time I stay at a
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Hyatt property, I get an email from
Hyatt asking about my stay. Evidently,
they actually read them and share
them with staff because I’ve had them
quoted back to me in follow-up, thank
you emails. So I have taken to writing
out thoughtful responses and
mentioning names. For example, I was
trying, unsuccessfully to “shazam” a
song at breakfast. One of the
waitresses figured out what I was
doing, and the next morning handed
me a slip of paper with the song and
artist. I mentioned it in my follow-up
survey, and the next time I visited that
hotel, she remembered and thanked
me for it.
Folks in service industry positions who
are there for the long haul are in it for
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a reason, an affirmation, especially
when deserved, is not only pleasant
for them, but useful as well.
Once at a hotel in Toronto, I arrived
late at night, and there was a long
hallway between the front desk and
the elevators. There was a guy
polishing the floor near the elevators.
When he saw us coming, he leaned
over and hit the “up” button to call the
elevator for us. When the idea of
‘customer service’ has permeated all
the way down to the guy manning the
buffer on the graveyard shift you are
bloody well doing it right.
What if Villa Standards Have
Fallen or Some Other Issue
Arises?
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If there is a problem, I will always,
always, always try to handle it with the
local manager. Better for them, and
more immediate results for me. Just
like with women, maintain frame, and
don’t blow your cool. So, as an
example, I was once staying at a Hyatt
where breakfast should have been free
for me and up to three other people
staying with me, in my room, such as
wife, kids, or, in my case 2x22 year old
girls. The restaurant staff seemed a bit
confused over this. Not the girls; it’s
Europe, they get it – but that they
weren’t registered to my room. Why?
Because in the US, nobody would have
bothered about it, but in Europe, they
actually have to be registered as
guests.4 So I smoothed that over with
the GM, no problems. Technically, I
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was wrong, but it was really more of a
difference between how things are
done in the US vs in Europe and once I
registered them, order was restored.
Last time I was there she made some
joke about the number and identity of
women who might be staying with me
at any time – which was ok based on
the nature of our relationship – and I
said something along the lines of “It
depends on who is in town this week,
and what their curfews are.” And we
laughed about it.
If there is a problem with a room, or
you just don’t like it for some reason.
Ask for a different or better one. My
last stay in California, I arrived late
and there was some sort of group
party with a shitty band that was so
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loud I could hear it 14 stories up. So I
rang the front desk and asked to be
moved across the hall to the other side
of the hotel, et voila! problem solved.
OTOH, I know a guy who arrived late
after a delayed flight and went to his
hotel – this was in Philadelphia in the
winter. The first room was a broom
closet, the second smelled like
someone’s grandma had just died in it
and the third room had some weird
temperature thing – freezing cold in
one area, boiling hot in another, that’s
how he described it. So finally, after
three disasters, a room finally opened
up on the club floor. This is
Philadelphia, in the winter, after
midnight. Who were they possibly
saving it for? This also shows why you
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want to be in a program. He wasn’t,
but I expect that even if he was just
mid-tier there, that would have
greased him through on the upgrade
with much less fuss.
4
I had actually booked a room via the
800 line and the conversation got
hung up on me asking for a king bed
for 3 people and her asking me if I
needed a cot and me saying “no, no
cot.” Eventually, I said “Look, I have a
‘Vicky Cristina Barcelona’ thing going
on. No cot,” and her sort of getting it,
but when I arrived, the # of guests on
the reservation was 1, me.
Cars
Let us have a moment of silence for
company cars. Like the apocryphal
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“key to the executive wash room”,
they just so rarely exist anymore. I
don’t think I’ve even had a car
allowance in ten years. These things
exist only as “sense memories” now of
a better, distant time. Sort of how
Democrats feel about the 60s and
Republicans feel about the 80s, and
how Detroit residents feel about the
50s. If I was sitting around a table with
older guys we’d all fondly reminisce
about the boss who got us our first
car, even if he was otherwise a prick.
That said, there are three ways cars
factor into life in CorporateLand now:
rentals, town cars and Uber. For
Rentals, pick out a firm you like – I
prefer Hertz – and get into their “#1
Gold” program or whatever Avis has,
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etc. It’s easy to do, and you get better
service and newer, lower mileage cars.
In places where I rent frequently, it’s
nice to skip the line – we’re going for
seamless here people – and get
rolling.
With town cars, if you’re company lets
you take town cars to the airport,
fucking do it. Does anything suck more
than being stuck on the Van Wyck
when it’s Hotter Than the Inside of the
Sun in July? Let someone else drive.
Sure, if it’s a short trip, fuck it, take
your car if you want, but why? Better
to ride in the air conditioned comfort
of a town car. Chat with the driver if
you want, or chill out listening to
Spotify – Rhapsody’s sexy, Swedish
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If I’m stepping off of a redeye, you’d
better fucking believe there’s a driver
waiting for me, with a polished Lincoln
or Caddy that still has that “new car”
smell, just like an 18 year old still has
that “new girlfriend” smell.
Intoxicating, but might make you a
little queasy.
Pro Tip #1: Gratuity will be included,
but an extra $10 is fine, if warranted.
Not necessary, but always
appreciated.
Pro Tip #2: Limo companies often
have “rewards” programs, such as
“free airport transfer with every 10
rides”. So I when I get to the free ride,
I use it for personal travel.
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Pro Tip #3: Specify “inside” pickup,
rather than “curbside”. It might be a
few beans extra for the guy to meet
you at baggage claim, but $10 is worth
it to have him handle your luggage,
and getting off of a long haul flight and
then wandering around outside
Terminal 1 at JFK looking for your
driver in January sux. It typically costs
$10 more for the guy to meet you
inside. If you can’t find the guy, look
near baggage claim, b/c that’s where
he’s going to expect you. Ex. In JFK T4
there’s an exit for people who don’t
have baggage to claim that’s closer to
the West Exit. When I can’t find my
driver, there, I know he’s over on the
other side near baggage claim.
Pro Tip #4: As with hotels, you can
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specify things as you want them. Want
the local paper instead of the New
York Times? Not a problem. I specify
temperature of the car. Limo
companies clientele evidently trends
older, so if you don’t want the car’s
temperature set to “medium well”
specify in the “Requests” section when
making your reservation. I tell them I
want the car between 66 and 68
degrees. Drivers are usually men, so
they’re fine with it.
Pro Tip #5: Be ready when the guy
gets there, if he’s picking you up for
an airport run. They usually show up
15 min early. I hand over my bag, tip
the guy in advance, do one last
eyeball check of the house to see that
electronics and appliances are shut
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down etc., and we’re underway 5-10
minutes after the guy arrives. They
like leaving on time and you should
too. If you delay them, after an
interval, usually 30 minutes, you start
to pay for the privilege.
Pro Tip #6: Leave Time For Trouble. I
usually take all of Thanksgiving week
off, starting with the Friday before. If
for some gawdawful reason you have
to travel on the Tuesday or
Wednesday before T-Day, leave a shit
ton of extra time. The last time I flew
on one of those days, I gave myself 5
hours, meaning I left my house 5
hours before my flight. The ride to the
airport took more than double the
usual time, but I was chilling in the
airport club an hour before takeoff,
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stress free, because of the LTT rule.
Uber. Uber got around to setting up
some way of getting your expenses
directly into Concur, which is a popular
expense software. I had already set up
my corporate card as a payment
option, so I just email the receipt to
my admin. Uber has lost its initial
“wow” factor now that everyone
knows what it is, but back when it was
new, I was out to dinner with a sales
rep and a HUGE, IMPORTANT client –
like tens of millions a year in revenue –
and just as dinner ended it started to
rain. Good fucking luck getting a
taxing in NYC in the rain. Enter Uber. I
think the multiple was 3.0, but given
the client revenue the firm was 100%
ok with it, and the client was amazed –
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as Arthur C. Clarke once said, any
sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic.
Conclusions
Plan out your strategy so that you can
reap the benefits of ongoing
relationships and rewards programs.
Play nice with others.
If you’re going to be away from home
on a secret mission deep in enemy
territory, you might as well be living
comfortably.
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CorporateLand
Library: Uncle Vasya's
Top Ten Books on
Management
by VasiliyZaitzev | 26 April, 2016 | Link
Uncle Vasya's Top Books For
Managers:
What Would Machiavelli Do?, by
Stanley Bing
The One Minute Manager, by Ken
Blanchard
The Prince, by Machiavelli
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The Art of War, by Sun Tzu
Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun,
by Wess Roberts
The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership,
by John C. Maxwell
The Peter Principle, by Laurence J.
Peter
The Dilbert Principle, by Scott Adams
Bartender's Guide: An A to Z
Companion to All Your Favorite Drinks,
by John K. Waters
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
Mental Disorders, 5th Edition,
published by the American Psychiatric
Association.
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CorporateLand: What
To Do When You Get
Fired or Laid Off
by VasiliyZaitzev | 4 February, 2017 |
Link
So the first rule for this is to start
making contingency plans ahead of
time. The days of walking into IBM or
GM at 21 and walking out at 65 with a
gold watch and a fat pension are Way
Long Gone. Once you land a gig in
CorporateLand you should be thinking,
at least in the back or your mind, what
happens when the World Turns to Shit.
And let me tell you, at any given time
the World is at least 50% shit, most of
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which is rat droppings.
So what to do? Pay Yourself First.
It’s time to look out for Numero Uno.
You need to start feeding your war
chest. I used to have a second bank
account that every stray penny I
earned went into. I referred to it as the
“GFY” fund, which I put cash into in
case I ever had to say “Go Fuck
Yourself” to my boss. Direct deposit.
Tax refund. GFY. Random stock
dividend? GFY. Pay check from my
second job? Direct Deposit to GFY. And
that account gets fatter faster than
you would think.
So why have one? What you really
want is an “Emergency Fund”. Start off
with a goal of 3 month, then 6 months
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then whatever makes you
comfortable.1 Sometimes, I’m a oneyear guy. Lately, I’m more of a 2 year
guy, because I’m older and more
conservative. Because if I fuck up, I
don’t have the same time frame to
make up for it that you younger guys
do. You young guys have one thing in
abundance, the most valuable
commodity in the world: TIME. It is
the true currency of life.
Ok, so kill off any debt you have—and
do not carry consumer debt. Debt is to
be avoided.2 Save up in your GFY fund,
kill your debt. Also, you should be
developing a network. Someday you
may need a friend. A lot of guys will
take my calls. Why? Because I don't
forget who they are the second things
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get rough. Over time, you will find out
who is cool, and who isn’t. There are a
lot of guys who will go to war with me.
You hang on to the cool people, and
you shred the assholes. But keep your
contacts. Keep a positive balance in
the Favor Bank. The second time I got
laid off, I sent out an email to 75 or
100 folks that it was my last day, and
probably 20% of those folks sent work
my way, either their own or a referral.
That day. (Back then, when I was
doing a lot of sidework, I had a rep as
the Lawyer Who Returned Phone Calls.
Nothing pisses clients off more than
being ignored. Sure, their work may
not be a big deal to you, but to them,
it is. No client ever gets angry at you
for returning their call. I return all of
mine within 24 hours, max. And I pick
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up on the first ring. Happy clients pay
their bills, and pay them on time. Even
if the phone call I make is just to give
a status update, why needlessly p*ss
off the people who are your bread and
butter? Whatever you do that's not
being a lawyer? Same thing applies.
Take care of your customers or
someone else will.)
Back in the Day, my flat was month-tomonth. I try to be the kind of tenant
that landlords like. My rent checks
never bounce, if something in my flat
went wrong I’d typically fix it myself,
and the cops never came looking for
me. Thus they were never in a hurry to
jostle me about shit. Stay lean, stay
nimble. Be ready to move when it's
time to move.
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So what happens when you roll into
BigCo and discover that the music has
stopped and there are no seats left?
You chill the fuck out, that’s what you
do. Usually, you can see it coming and
in those cases, your personal shit
should have been cleared out of your
office already. And really, how much
personal shit should you have at the
office?
Step 1
First, take a deep breath and relax.
Plenty of people get fired, and this
isn't the end of the world. Think about
some of the more shit aspects of your
gig, and how they are Not Your
Problem anymore. Where I first
worked, there was an intercom
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system, and when the owner, who was
Not a Fun Guy would call in, he would
get parked by the receptionist and
then a page would go out. So the first
morning after I got let go (employer
went B.K.) I woke up and thought,
"Never again will I hear 'Vasiliy
Zaitzev, Josef Stalin on 63...Vasiliy
Zaitzev, Josef Stalin on 63."
Step 2
Take a day or two to decompress.
Sleep in, relax, treat it like a weekend.
It probably will be a weekend because
usually firings and layoffs happen on
Fridays. It gives you the weekend to
cool off and decide that murder is a
Career Limiting Move. So take a couple
of days. Do NOT take a week.
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Schedule your days so that finding a
new job is your new job. Get your shit
up and running, looking for a new gig.
Put the word out on your contact list.
Figure out how to manage whatever
issue got you canned (I am treating
this like it’s a “canned”, because if it’s
a layoff, well, shit happens).
Do some introspection. You might also
think about what to do moving
forward. Do you want to travel? Do
you want to change locations? Maybe
it’s time you moved away from
Asswater, Nebraska, and off to
somewhere cooler. When you are
young, and aren’t tied down, that’s the
time to think it over.
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The second time I got laid off I
volunteered. You weren't, technically,
allowed to volunteer, but I kept doing
it. Every time my boss3 bitched about
how he might get laid off, I would say
"Give me the big check and let me
go." [They were giving us an insane
package. I got something like 22
months. Since I was, theoretically, an
exec by then, and I had the same
algorithm as the mofo who ran the
company. He didn't know shit about
our business, but he knew how to take
care of "Number 1", and so the rising
tide that raised his yacht raised my
Chris Craft.]
Step 4
Also schedule your time around the
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above. Get up in the morning, work on
employment issues - consider temping
or bartending if you need $$$ - after
that get your workout in - and it is a
good time to start (if you aren't
already on one) an exercise program
for better health and stress relief.
The last time I was without a primary
job (usually I have a couple of
additional income streams) was nearly
20 years ago, but here is what I did:
I would get up go to my fave local
coffee shop4 and have a coffee and
read the paper. I got to know the
owner, and pretty soon they were
clients.
Then I'd go to outplacement from 10
to 3 (adjusting the times as necessary,
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but mostly I chose those to avoid
traffic). This was a layoff, so they gave
us 3 or 6 months of outplacement or
whatever. I used their computers and
phone and, in addition to jobsearching, I basically ran an ad-hoc
law practice from there and my home
(although mostly from home....really I
just needed the printers at
outplacement). Then I would come
home and work out. Every gawddam
day. I was younger then, so the
warranty had not yet run out on my
knees. If you need to lose a few
pounds, NOW is the time. The
important thing is to Keep Moving
Forward. Don't become a recluse,
chilling on the sofa in your bathrobe at
3AM watching Informercials and
narfing Cheetos.
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Never Stop Fighting Back. During
the last recession, I remember a news
story about a former CEO who was
delivering pizzas. Sure, probably not
the best use of his time, but at least
he was fighting back as a man.
I got an interview, once, after my first
layoff (employer went BK), one of my
Landlord’s buddies put in a good word
for me. He lived a couple of houses
down, across the street, and he told
me, once, while he was over drinking
my landlord’s beer that he respected
me because I was always out hustling
and working every angle could find.
People are watching you, even when
you think they aren’t.
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Cram down expenses. That can of
soup that’s been in your cupboard for
12 months because you don’t really
care for that type? Have that for
dinner. Your goal is to survive.
Expenses that are unnecessary are to
be slashed.
Step 7
Enjoy life a bit. I had traveled a lot for
work and had a lot off miles and
points. I also had a couple of FWB, so if
I was in Philly, Boston or DC, there was
a warm girl with a warm bed waiting
for me. If you want to learn an
instrument, or a language, work that
into your schedule. Think about shit
you an improve and make better in
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TL;DR: This is actually important shit.
Read it.
1
And “Blah, blah, blah, Cash is Trash!”
Suck my dick. I’m not saying don’t buy
stocks or invest in your own business
or whatever, but Cash is an Option on
the Future. If I got booted out the door
from my gig tomorrow, I would not be
sitting around with my dick in my hand
wondering where my next latte was
coming from.
2
For 95% of you. And I said
CONSUMER debt, cretins. If you’re
using debt to leverage cash-producing
assets to buy more cash-producing
assets, that’s fine. But that’s not most
people.
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My actual cool boss had left, and the
mothership unloaded some douchebag
on us, just in time for him to get laid
off 6 months later. They did id on
purpose; it was "addition by
subtraction" for them, but it fucked up
my groove. He was a moron. I spent a
lot of time fixing his mistakes, because
he was in the habit of giving answers
without knowing what the actual
answer was, and he had a remarkable
talent for Being Wrong. Eventually, he
actually said to me, "If I make a
mistake, just correct it and don't tell
me." That's a great way NOT to learn,
but by that time, I didn't give a shit.
He was the second worst boss I've
ever had. He's not #1 because he was
only incompetent, not evil.
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It was a spot near the theater and
business district in that city, and this
was before SBUX had arrived on the
East Coast. I stopped by in the
morning and it was a fan-fuckingTASTIC coffee & dessert place for late
night pre-bang rendezvous. I was
plating 3-5 girls at any given time then
because I had to keep Feeding the
Beast. The guy who ran it was Cool As
Shit. He saw me come in with different
girls and Never.Said.A.Word. Finally I
came in with a buddy and he finally
says, “Duuuude. What is up with you
and all those girls?” A stand-up guy.
Always kept my secrets.
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CorporateLand:
Promotions
by VasiliyZaitzev | 24 September,
2019 | Link
The Ugly Truth
So here’s the ugly truth: Nobody has a
“career” anymore. Well, some people
do, but those folks went to Harvard or
Stanford and then worked at GS or
McKinsey or some other Third Reich-y
type place, only without the
conspicuous industrialized murder.
They don’t need me to tell them. You
can still have one in finance/banking,
ofc, for now. But most people are little
worker bees who drive to their 9 to 5
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coffins, then go home and talk about
HELOC rates with their neighbors and
complain about house maintenance
and immerse themselves in their kids
sports teams, or booze or whatever to
mask the soul-crushing pain of their
existence.
The sad fact is that the corporate
overlords of your cubicle farm are
going to pay you just enough, and
treat you just well enough to get you
to stay…it’s like slavery, with extra
steps. I’ve seen companies spend
money on the most retarded shit…but
their people? Fuck no. Why do that?
There’s a lot of psychology involved.
Or psychopathy. Whichever.
And don’t become obsessed with
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titles. “Progression” only matters if
you’re going to have a career, which
you aren’t.
The Not So Painful Truth
For “aware” guys, your move should
be to get into CorporateLand, should
you so choose, use it for benefits,1
make contacts and to build up a war
chest (including retirement savings),
get promoted from “Junior Assistant
Shithead” to “Assistant Shithead” and
then GTFO.
And don’t be afraid to move around.
Why? Because you’re not going to
have a career – in fact, you young
guys are going to spend a fair amount
of your future fighting sentient robots
– so you need to look out for Numero
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Uno. And if you don’t move around,
you will miss out on loads of cashola.
It’s different Above The Salt, ofc. The
C-Suite can provide generational
wealth if you do things right. But for
the rest of us, we have to move on to
move up. I’ve done it – and you may
fairly ask, “But Uncle Vasya, haven’t
you worked at the same firm for more
than a decade?” Yes, I have. So why
stay? First my firm is on the “Michaels
Model” (or whatever; I forget what we
call it) where they hire talent, overpay
it, and then reap the benefits of having
both talent and institutional memory.
You tend to see the same problems
again and again, and you’ve either
solved them before or you have seen
other, smarter people solve them. So I
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get paid substantially more by my firm
than I would doing the same thing
elsewhere in the industry.
Also, I have freedom, which is the real
reason. Most of the time, I’m free to be
where I want, at least within North
American time zones (and thus, buy
extension, S. American ones also, but I
rarely visit.) I can be floating around in
my pool after the weekly regulatory
call, or grilling up some meat before
the weekly sales call, and
Nobody.Gives.A.Shit.2 Why? Results.
I’m good at what I do and talent
comes with privileges.3 But you have
to be able to deliver.
That said: Never take your eyes off the
prize. You should be looking at
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building income outside of salary,
creating multiple streams, and then
thickening those streams. Then enjoy
your life, roaming the world at will.
Goals
A. Get experience.
B. Build a War Chest.
C. Make contacts.
D. Get Paid, In Full, moving as
necessary.
E. Get gone.
1
Incl. travel benefits – I have been on
the road about half the year and raked
on points and miles, so when I took a
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week and a half in Europe earlier this
year it cost me <$40 for hotels that
entire time, and that was in local tax
which cannot be paid for using points.
So I got PTO and free hotels. A week
and a half in Europe for the cost of a
plane ticket plus food, which,
depending on hotel and status, you
may get free (breakfast anyway).
2
Well, a couple of people do. People
who think they should automatically
get whatever bennies I negotiate.
Those people should focus more on
not sucking at their jobs.
3
Talent also comes with limitations,
but that’s a different conversation.
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Life After 30: How to
Be an Old Guy
by VasiliyZaitzev | 8 December, 2015 |
Link
TL;DR
Late 40s guy explains how to pull girls,
after 30. This assumes you don't get
married (for guys who want to). That's
a different thread. This thread is about
what worked for me.1 The beauty of
being a man is for us, "The Wall" is
coterminous with "Death".2
Body
From time to time, I see guys ask
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“What happens when you’re done with
college/over 25/after 30?”
Awesomeness, that’s what happens.
But it doesn’t happen by itself.
So, since, in John Maynard Keynes
famous dictum, “In the long run, we’re
all dead”, how then to maximize the
post-college/20s years?
What to Do Now
Your Health Fucking take care of it. If
you’re a young guy, now, it’s never
going to be easier to get in shape and
stay in shape. Lift, do something for
aerobic fitness (jog/swim/whatever
works for you), and eat clean. Stay
away from bad shit. I know that stuff
can be fun, but it’s not going to help,
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except for some short term pleasure.
Put those gawddam Twinkies DOWN!
Don't become a fat slob. Stay as fit as
you can. Do it FOR YOU; as a side
effect, you will be more attractive to
women.
Rule Your Own World You want to
know the best way to fuck your life
up? If you stop making decisions
based on what’s best for you, and start
putting the ‘needs’ (read: wants) of
others ahead of your own. Give up
your dream job at Google b/c your g/f
wants you to stay in Sucktown, Ohio?
That will feel great when she dumps
you a few months later. Look the
fuck out for #1 (hint: that’s you) This
is related to…
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DGAF There are people who will not
like what you do. That you are
‘different’ from them. Who want to
have an opinion about your life, like
they are entitled to tell you how to live
it. Someone (particularly post-Wall SJW
cunts) doesn’t like how you live your
life? They can go eat a bag of dicks.
That also goes for Bitter Billy Beta and
White Knights who are pissed that you
dare to do what they do not. If there’s
someone in your life that you can’t tell
to fuck of b/c you’re a young guy living
at home, as an example, just say ‘Ok’,
then shut up. You’ve acknowledged
them, without agreeing. Don’t waste
your time arguing about shit.
Figure Out What You’re Good At
This applies both work-wise and fun-
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wise. You know what sucks? Working
at a job you hate. So figure out what
you like to do, and do that, if you can
manage it. If you have to take a job in
CorporateLand, fine. Go read my posts
on how to survive there. You should
always have an eye towards becoming
independent. For some guys, that
means living the life of a globe-trotting
vagabond. For other guys that means
becoming an entrepreneur. Doesn’t
matter, find what works for you. Then,
as God said to Moses, “Whatever thee
settest thy hand to do, do thy
damnedest!” (quote approximate.)
Get Your Money Straight Pay
yourself FIRST. Start with 10%. You
won’t miss it. After that, figure out
what your needs are for what you
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want to do, whether vagabonding or
entrepreneurship or house in the
‘burbs or whatever. Live cheap now,
so you won’t have to, later.
What to Do Going Forward
Pro Tip #1
Stay away from shit that ages you:
drugs, smoking, too much booze and
especially women your own age. You
know what post-Wall bitches HATE? A
man in their age cohort enjoying
himself, and living life on his own
terms. Double or Triple Hater Bonus
Points if he’s stuffin’ young muffins.
“How dare that guy, my own age, that
I’M ENTITLED TO reject me and bone
that young hussy!” Yeah, like that.
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Be exceptional at something. Or two or
three somethings. I front my own
band. I also play on a beach volleyball
team in the summer, where I’m the
2nd best player behind a guy who was
a scholarship player (who knew?) in
university. That’s two places for me to
shine. It also helps that I make bank,
but money is only useful in the right
hands. There's a reason it's called
Beta Bucks. Don't be that guy.
Pro Tip #3
Approach like a motherfucker. I am
a natural extrovert, so it's easy for me.
I have zero approach fear and haven't
for a long gawddam time. Like
decades. WTF is the worst thing that
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happens? You get turned down? So
fucking what? There are girls out there
who really DIG older guys. But they
don't wears signs that say "Love Me,
Daddy!" so you have to approach to
find them. And you know what turns
young women on the most? That other
young women like you. Pre-selection.
Put it to work for you.
Pro Tip #4
Exert your dominance. Sexualize
the conversation early, before you get
put in the dad/uncle category. You
know what I text a girl after she
agrees to meet up, as my closer? “Be
sure to wear pretty underwear for
me.” It sets the tone (as if it wasn’t
clear already) that I’m not some pussy
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orbiter. I can feel them get giddy. You
want to know how many of them have
ever gotten ‘offended’ by that? Zero.
Almost all mention, in a moment of
post-coital bliss that the loved it that I
“took charge”. A girl who is a
candidate plate (have not banged
her…yet) told me the other day that
she likes it when I “get all rough and
tell [her] what to do.” The Pussy Tingle
Generator is ramping up….
Pro Tip #5
Don’t Try to be Something You’re
Not. Don’t try to act or dress like a
young guy, b/c you’re not going to be
as good at it as a young guy, and
you’re going to look like a doosh. Your
move is “studied cool”. Other guys are
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trying to be somebody; you already
are somebody.
Now go forth and SLAY!
1
And really, if something else worked
for you, your buddy, your uncle or your
dad, then great. My advice, as always,
is the product of my own, meandering
experience. It worked for me. If you
take a different path to the top of the
mountain, great.
2
And don't bother arguing with me
about it. Guy who want to argue about
how 80 year old guys can't pull 20
year old girls can't pull 20 year old
girls themselves, now. (My youngest
plate turned 20 yesterday, so I totally
can pull 20 year old girls. At least one,
anyway. And every one of you would
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crawl on your belly through broken
glass to nail her. So there.)
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Uncle Vasya’s Guide
On Dating Models
by VasiliyZaitzev | 26 July, 2016 | Link
Ok, so this has come up three times
recently on askTRP and so I have
decided to turn my response into its
own post on the main subreddit., as
one guy suggested.
Pull up your chairs, fellas, and let
Uncle Vasya tell you a tale.....
In my time I've dated a few models
and a (minor) TV personality (while
officially too "short" to be a model she
was a total smokeshow and was the
"lifestyle" correspondent on a news
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magazine type thing). She’s also been
on some magazine covers—not Sports
Illustrated but hey, it was still cool.
Anyway, this will also apply to those of
you who actually land your “one-itis”
(although you will probably fuck that
up), strippers (who present their own
set of unique problems) and/or just an
amazingly super-hot chick.
Oh, and before we get to the “Where
do I find…” bit, you already know the
answer. Your dating options in “East
Booger, Idaho”, or “Asswater, Kansas”
are already going to be pretty limited.
Maybe you can get the former head
cheerleader, or the ex “Miss Corn
Blossom” or whatever. Beyond that,
pack your shit up and move to where
the hot chicks are. For me, that was
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NYC, co-incident with me finding work
there.
The Positives:
-You are banging a total smoke show.
-You will discover you no longer need
reservations...anywhere.
-They usually have a line on where to
get great coke, anytime, anywhere.
Probably shouldn't mention that one.
-A lot of them are totally cool, and
completely dig it when a guy isn't
fazed at all by them being models.
-Once you get one of them, you can
usually get more later. Pre-selection in
action.
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-Narcissism, Entitlement, blah, blah,
blah. They get validated from the time
they get up to the time the go to
sleep. Then they get validated in their
dreams. Then they get up and check
Instagram, where they were validated
overnight by an army of pussyworshippers. You should not, of
course, tolerate any bad attitude.
When I get this from a girl, I tell her
that I will "spank it out of her".
-They whine a lot about being
"objectified"--until you don't objectify
them anymore. As I sometimes advise
guys in askTRP when their girls say
“You only want sex!” card, play the
“Be worried when I DON’T want to
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bang you anymore” card.
-Lots of creeper guys hanging around,
offering them cash, trips, drugs,
whatever...and, oh, yeah, dick.
-Another variant of this is the White
Knight who feels he must “rescue” her
from your evil clutches, despite the
fact that she has zero interest in being
rescued. She clearly doesn’t know
what’s best for her and he does. Why?
Because he's a "creeper variant".
White knights reason that women
want men who are "Noble and Good"
and sine he is more "Noble and Good"
than you are, she "should" want him
and not you.
-You will get a lot of "Hmm. How did
HE get HER?" looks. Bask in it. I've had
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guys ask me what was up, when my
date went to the Ladies', and I
generally say "I'm a millionaire and I
have a dick down to my knees.","* or
whatever gets them to go back to
pondering the mysteries of the
universe and not bothering me. OTOH,
I have returned from getting fresh
drinks to have one of my girls hand me
a stack of business cards that she was
given in the 10 minutes I was gone.
/shrugs
-People will tend to follow any
conversations you have with her in
public, which is really a function of (a)
her being super hot, and (b) “How did
HE get HER?” You can use this to your
advantage, sometimes. To wit, once
upon a time, I was at an airport with
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an Uber Hottie, when it became clear
that fucking EVERYBODY was listening
in on our convo, because they all
laughed when I treated her like a tardy
child when what would have been
“expected” by bluepills was that I
should have bowed and scraped. So
when she commented on it, I said,
“Yeah, first, it’s because you’re the
Super Hot Chick at Gate 15 and
there’s NOBODY in 2nd place. Second,
they’re all trying to figure out How I Do
What I Do, the answer to which is, I
have Gigantic Brass Balls that go
‘KLANK!’ when I walk.” So I
acknowledged the situation, and then
turned her focus back to the Narrative.
How to Make it Work:
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-Stay Loose. If you try too hard, it’s
going to come off like you’re…trying
too hard. Don’t be this guy. Srsly. Next
thing you know, you’ll be humping her
leg.
-And you will also need "Sean
Connery as James Bond" level
Amused Mastery. Treat her like she
needs adult supervision--TELL HER
that she needs adult supervision.
-And You need Solid Steel Frame
and Industrial Strength "Don't
Give a Fuck". Like "The Outlaw Josey
Wales" level DGAF.
-Expect nothing long term. Assume
things will have a beginning a middle
and an end, and that your job is to
enjoy the FUCK out of the middle.
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When the time comes to let go, let go.
Don’t lose your shit and fall into the
Abyss. Float like a butterfly, sting like
a bee.
-Always remember YOU are the
Prize. Presumably, you have made
yourself exceptional in some way to
catch her attention. Don’t fuck that up.
Ex. I front my own band. We used to
have a guitarist who could totally
shred, and was pure joy to play with.
Then he got married—to a girl who
was a 6 at best. Ultimatums were
issued. He had to quit, he doesn’t play
anymore, he’s miserable and his wife
is unhappy, too, because the cool guy
she married is a middling guy now.
Women kill your dreams.
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-Possession of the Ass is 9/10th of
the Law. One of my girls had the
absolute Rear of the YEAR and would
complain about nobody being
interested in her IQ. So I started to
refer to her ass as her IQ. When you
see me with a woman, I will always
have a hand on her somewhere. On
the small of her back, when we’re
walking, on her thigh when we’re
driving, on her has when I want to feel
her ass, etc.
-You ARE the Boss of Her. You take
NONE of her shit. It's like catnip for
them. You impose your will. One told
me she was going to get a tattoo-because really, go ruin yourself to
show how edgy you are. So I told the
ONLY tat she was allowed to have was
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a tramp stamp that read "PROPERTY
OF: VASILIY ZAITZEV". She giggled,
and loved it.
-Call Her on Her Bullshit. One of
them shit tested me (sort of) by
showing up to our first date (which
was a blind date), wearing no makeup
whatsoever. I saw through this in
0.00000002 seconds. She looked great
anyway, but I knew what was up. She
pulled that again, once, when the
relationship was established and I told
her she looked like shit (she didn’t’
actually) and to go put some makeup
on, which she did. I have never seen
her 'dressed down' since.
-You need to 'Force Multiply' your
game. Girls who are 'next level' hot
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get offered dick All Day, Every Day.
You need to double down on gaming
other girls1 and you need to mix in
some condescension, liberally. Enough
so she knows what the boundaries are.
You LEAD, she FOLLOWS. Never let
a bitch run your shit. If you do, you’ve
lost.
-Understand Your Quarry. At the
end of the day, she's a human being,
and just a girl…standing in front of a
boy…asking him to love her. Gag! I
know, but like I said, you have to
understand your quarry. They don't
think (at least always) like we think. If
we were them, we'd be coked up and
lezzing out with other hot models, all
the time. Now, some of them do
actually do that. But most of them
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want every girl wants, they just have
tyranny of choice. You are completely
replaceable, unless you can get her to
say this: "No guy has ever [talked to
me/treated me/done this to me]
before!"2 And that’s good news! Why?
Because….
-You Need to be a Challenge For
Her. Keep her a bit off balance. She
has to think that she has to EARN your
time, such as you spend with her. Like
you might have half a dozen other,
better options. The danger is to
succumb to the dazzling radiance, but
no, your eyeglasses must be the
Deepest, Darkest Red.
-Create a Narrative. There is no
substitute for game. Without it, you’re
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just another bluepill asshat who wants
to drink her bathwater. Flirt. Tease.
Tell her what you’re going to do to her.
Create anticipation. Other times, I just
say outrageous shit, and let them
figure out if I’m joking or not.
And enjoy the ride. It will all likely
come crashing down at the end.
Relations with women that age are
inherently unstable and transient,
(unless you get a severe introvert who
just wants a boyfriend and then never
wants to go outside again. One of my
girls is like that. Two, actually.) Back
on the the Walls Tumbling Down, one
of my favorites was an Eastern
European number that my friends
nicknamed "The Hotness". And then
they started calling her that in front of
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her. It got to the point where they
always expected that I would bring her
and were disappointed if I didn't.
Once, early on, when we were out
walking some guy at a cafe stood up,
took off his sunglasses and tracked her
like he was working for NORAD. I
stared him down and when he looked
at me, I said, "Eyes on your own
paper, son." I made some joke about it
to her and she said--without a trace of
irony--"Oh, that happens all the time."
Fu-u-uck. So that's what you're up
against.
She wound up going to Europe for the
summer season. As I knew that being
the clingy guy who couldn't let go was
a non-starter, I cut her loose (there
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wasn't really another option at that
point), met a semi-famous actor....who
turned her into a coke whore. It was
painful to watch, long distance. So you
hit the "eject" button and start over.
So when and if it happens for you,
enjoy it, but there's so much shit that
can go wrong, just Live In The Now.
Good luck.
V/Z
1
As appropriate. This won't be as
necessary with introverted girls. There
was one who I am sure would have
burst into tears (or had a seizure) if I
had gamed other girls in front of her.
She hated other guys hitting on her
and watched over me like a hawk so
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that other women were scared to talk
to me.
2
Most recently I was chatting with a
girl I flirt with and she was going on
about how she wants to get away from
her work, blah, blah, sycophants, blah,
blah, and other bullshit. I have created
a narrative with her and we have
discussed her hanging out up at my
place....where I told her I would put
her to work in my garden. She was a
bit nonplussed by that suggestion and
asked what else she might do and I
told her she would sunbathe nude by
my pool and get fucked a lot. Now,
that may never happen with that girl,
but she didn't exactly run away,
either.
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Uncle Vasya’s Guide to
Submissive Women
{NSFW-ish}
by VasiliyZaitzev | 24 November, 2015
| Link
TL;DR: A Field Guide For RP Men to
Identifying and Handling Submissive
Women.
NSFW if your HR Dept is way uptight.
Your call.
[EDIT1: Added flair. Evidently I suck at
flair. We now return you to your
regularly scheduled program.]
[EDIT2: I still suck at formatting. Let's
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face it there will probably be another
edit or two after this one.]
[EDIT3: See? I told you there'd be
another one. Added stuff to the "She's
Introverted" entry.]
Body:
As a young lad, I am sure I would have
been perfectly happy with PiV Vanilla
Sex. As long as I got my dick wet, it
was a win. But what I discovered was,
even from an early age, women want
me to dominate them. That has
manifested itself in various ways, from
a shy, teenage girl telling me "I like it
that, when I'm with you, I feel like I
can't just get away," to much more
explicit statements from, um, less shy
women.
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So how does one identify such women
in the wild? They don’t exactly come
with signs that say “Tie me up and
bone me!” or “Spank me, Daddy!”
Here are some telltale signs:
She’s Tall
Nobody likes being topped as much at
tall girls. They love it because it makes
them feel feminine. And the taller a
girl is, the more of a lock it is that she
wants to rollover on her back for you,
spread her legs, and let you have your
way with her. Above 5’8 it becomes
noticeable and above 5’10” it’s
basically a lock (so 173 CM and 178
CM for you metric guys)
She’s Feminine
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She has long hair because she knows
it makes her look sexy, and because
she knows you will want to wrap your
hands in it and pull it while you bang
her, doggy-style. She wears skirts and
heels so you can admire her legs and
think very happy, very evil thoughts
about her. She wants you to be the
shot caller, not only in making
decisions in everyday life, but in the
bedroom also. She’s the girl that the
saying, “A lady in the streets, a whore
in the sheets” was made up for.
She’s Intelligent
Intelligent women are also likely to
have High-Rev Hamsters. If you
present as a CONFIDENT, sexuallyentitled motherfucker with the SMV to
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back it up, she WILL drop those
panties for you, and cross her wrists.
She’s Introverted
That nerd girl over there? Underneath
those glasses and frumpy clothes lurks
a Sex Goddess. Still waters run deep.
Trust me on this one. That quiet chick
on your dorm floor? If you’re walking
by her room at the right moment when
her b/f from home is visiting, you’re
going to hear her say “Put your finger
in my ass!”
I recommend negging introverted girls
less (although don’t necessarily give it
up entirely). Keep it to light teasing.
She may be socially awkward as well,
and your goal is to keep it fun, not
make her feel bad about herself. The
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wife of a buddy of mine is painfully
introverted, but I’ve known her for 20
years so she’s comfortable with me.
She told me once that she loves that I
will carry the convo and my jokes and
stories are funny, and all “{she has}
to do is ‘receive’,” to which I replied
“Just like God intended.” So light
humor that emphasized traditional
male/female relations—she’s a
buddy’s wife, so I’m not trying to bang
her, but the reinforcement of
traditional roles makes her feel more
comfortable, as she is also Feminine
(see above).
Finding introverts in the wild can be
tough, as their preferred environment
is an ecosystem called "Home" where
they curl up with a book, play with
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their cat, etc. When you see a group of
girls on a GNO, look for the one on the
edge of the action, maybe a bit
uncomfortable with her friends
drinking. If it's a bachelorette party,
she will be the one NOT wearing any of
that cheesy bachelorette crap. She
doesn't want to be there, but she
wants a boyfriend, like her friends
have. And she will be happy to lock a
guy down, so she doesn't have to go
out and meet guys anymore. My 19
y.o. plate? Introvert. Met me, liked me,
didn't care that I was older, just liked
that I am good at "life" and that now
she's finally getting hit right. She's
happy if we just hang out at my place
or, on those occasions when I travel
and bring her with me, staying at the
hotel and posing and modeling in
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nothing but thigh highs,
Because.Daddy.Likes.
She’s Feminist
I used to date a feminist professor
(egad, I know, but bear with me on
this). She happened to decide to leave
her usual watering hole and wander
over the road to mine. She found me
having dinner and sidled up. We got to
talking and drinking and I destroyed
every bullshit feminist argument she
made. That sent the Pussy Tingle
GeneratorTM revving into the red zone.
Why?
Because feminism is a Gigantic Shit
Test.1 How much of their crap are we
going to take, and, regrettably for
them (and happily for RP Men) society
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is going Full Beta. Ever see a male
feminist? They’re either doughy guys
with manboobs well into a program of
food-assisted suicide, or they are
sallow-eyed, chicken-chested guys
with no looks and no game who hope
they are going to simp their way into
some pussy. And they are thirsty as
fuck.
Now for some practical tips:
Practical Tip #1: When the time is
right, which is any time from "heavy
flirting" to "hopping in the sack", ask a
woman what her fantasy is. You're
going to get two recurrent themes: "I
wanna have sex with another girl," and
"Tie me up!"
It was for that second one, evidently,
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that I learned all those knots in Boy
Scouts. {Note: If, like me, you like
tying girls up, you need to learn to do
it right, so there is no danger of loss of
circulation, etc., and also establish
limits and shit so you don't wind up
with legal problems; all of this is
beyond the scope of this post.}
Practical Tip #2: She’s going to
respond to kino more. A hand on her
back while your standing and chatting,
a hand on her upper arm, guiding her
when you’re walking somewhere she
might slip (on stairs, on wet or icy
pavement), especially in heels.
Practical Tip #3: She is going to shit
test the fuck out of you. Why? Because
she’s going to be giving up basically
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all of her power, once the panties
come off. That has to be scary as fuck
for a woman. So she has to make
SURE that you are worthy of her
submission. So your job must be to….
Practical Tip #4: Maintain frame.
Unruffled, unperturbed, solid as steel.
One girl I am plating, back before I
converted her from a prospect to a
plate, responded to some teasing by
me by exclaiming (but not as a serious
threat), “I’m going to kick you in the
balls!” How to reply? This is how it
went:
Me: “While I’m pleased that you are
thinking about my balls, you will not
harm them. You will admire them,
caress them, gently, cup them, lick
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them and kiss them. You will take
them into your mouth and suck them.
You will treat them lovingly, in all
ways. Because your future is inside
them.”2
Her: “You know you have a way of
taking something I should find
disgusting and making it sound really
appealing!”
Practical Tip #5: Introduce the idea
of her submission to you into the
conversation—I do this anyway,
because, as a late 40s guy who
dates/mates/plates young women, I
have to sexualize the convo early,
blind them with ‘shiny objects’ as it
were. I tell girls I am going to blindfold
them and tie them up the first time we
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have sex. I tell them I will caress them
to near madness, until they are
moving their hips in frantic little circles
and thrusting up towards me, until
they are BEGGING for release. And
then, when I decide it, I will climax
them until they BEG to be permitted to
stop, or they pass out. I may also often
add that once they are recovering, I
will lean down close to their ears and
whisper, “And now I will TAKE what is
MINE!” and then take my pleasure
with them.
Pussy Tingle Generator Level:
MELTDOWN.
Now, what actually happens is
dependent very much on what the
individual woman is capable of (75%)
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and that the man knows what the fuck
(literally) he’s doing (25%), but
submissive girls find this scenario
incredibly erotic. It absolves them of
any responsibility. They’re tied up.
They can be completely free with their
sexuality, and let their libidos run
amok. Anything that happens isn’t
‘their fault’. Is she screaming at you to
jackhammer her through the
mattress? Not her fault. You had her
tied up, you brute, you.
Practical Tip #6: Set the right tone.
This can be light flirting—after I set the
time and coordinates of a first meeting
(or second if I neglected it the first
time), I will add “Wear some pretty
underwear for me.” That invariably
gets a giggle. I had some dates with a
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6’ model type. When the clothes came
off, she was wearing some lacey thong
confection for my viewing pleasure.
Note: Not only does she have the TALL
indicator in spades, she was also
feminine, not only in style but in
behavior. She was demure and
followed my lead, and starting from
our first date, if she wanted another
drink (as an example) she would ask
my permission. This is a Good Sign.
Once a sexual relationship has been
established, you can take it farther.
Remember the feminist professor
chick? I would sometimes be called
upon to attend faculty functions with
her as her “CISGender White PenisCarrier Companion Person”, or
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whatever shit is in vogue with the PC
liberal fucktard crowd.
Of course, I would keep my
Neanderthal opinions to myself—not
fair to fuck with someone where they
work, etc. But before we would leave
the house, she would present herself
for my inspection. So I would eyeball
her and then say, “Panties” and she
would remove her panties, and I would
put them in my pocket and I would
walk around the faculty mixer thing
with her panties in my pocket.3 It was
a (not very) subtle remind to her Who
Was Boss.
Incidentally, she did not, of course,
believe most of the shit she had to
babble at work. I never called her out
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on it in public, but at home, once we
crossed the threshold to the bedroom
and she morphed into a submissive
little sex kitten for me, I would tell her
what a little fraud she was, and what
would her leftoid co-workers think if
they saw me railing her out and her
loving it.
Pussy Tingle Generator Level:
NIAGARA FALLS.
1
It is also a trade union for fugly girls,
but since we don’t want to bang fugly
girls we can disregard that, for
purposes of this discussion.
2
She’s 25 and is early-stage Baby
Rabies. Not enough to be a problem,
but enough that the merest suggestion
that I might let one of my swimmers
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get her makes her giddy.
3
Unless it was Shark Week. That
would be wrong.
Conclusions
1. Submissive girls are fun.
2. Properly handled, they will be
highly ornamental and a
tremendous aid in relaxation.
3. If you watch for the signs and
maintain frame through the
snowstorm of shit tests, the
rewards can be great. Read the
body of this post for helpful tips.
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Of Human Bondage –
Uncle Vasya’s Guide
for Men Who Like To
Tie Up Young Ladies.
by VasiliyZaitzev | 16 December, 2015
| Link
TL; DR: I like tying girls up. You
should, too. Here’s how and why.
Introduction.
Ok, so you’ve read Uncle Vasya’s
Guide to Submissive Women And
you were hoping for a sequel. Here it
is.
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Some initial points:
First - Consent, Consent, Consent!
Do I have to explain this one?
Second - you, as the top, are
responsible for the health & safety of
the sub under your control, no
exceptions.
Third - drugs & alcohol do not mix well
with BDSM. That's how people get
hurt. In ways they don't want.
Fourth – This piece is more about B/D
or D/S than S/M. Sometimes, you get a
Pain Slut. Pain isn’t particularly my
thing, and I don’t derive pleasure from
inflicting it, but I will do it if a girl
wants it, under specific, wellcommunicated circumstances. The S/M
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bits of BDSM are a topic for another
day and, really, another author.
Shibari, while certainly elegant, it
outside of the scope of this essay as
well. Like Baskin Robbins, there are
31+ flavors.
[EDIT: added the bit about having a
girl write out her fantasies in the Q&A.]
Now that's out of the way....
Of Human Bondage.
So how did I get where I am? Back
when I was a teenager and all I
understood about sex was that I
wanted to get my dick inside a
woman. Or more likely a teenage girl.
But I wanted my dick inside some hot,
wet pussy. I was perfectly happy round
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the bases as long as it ended with me
sliding into home.
The girls I was dating had different
ideas. Instead, I would get things that
ranged from “I like it that I feel like I
can’t just get away from you”, and “On
most dates, I feel like I could at least
defend myself, but with you, there’s
just no way.” This was followed by a
giggle. Why? Because hamsters will
ham and, more importantly Because
No Romance Novel Begins With “I
said ‘NO!’ and he stopped. 1 So
those girls were trying to
communicate their desire to submit,
albeit in an awkward, teenage way.
Later, that turned into much more
specific requests, from more sexually
confident and experienced women.
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How then, to get your girl to show you
here true self? Ask, dummy, just not
particularly directly. Ask a girl what
her fantasies are. There will be
some of the usual window dressing. “I
want to make love outdoors” 2 or “I
want to make love on a beach” 3 But
what it will really boil down to is “I
wanna do another girl!” 4 and “Tie me
up!” It is this last one that is our topic.
How Can a Good Girl Get to Try On
Being a Naughty Girl, Without
Feeling Like a Slut?
When she’s tied up and you’re making
her, you big brute, you. Light
Bondage allows a woman to
express her submission to your
male leadership in a ‘safe’ (and
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fun!) way. Done correctly and with
the right ‘narrative’ created, this
should spill over into your everyday
relationship with the sub in happy
ways.
Ok, so you read my previous article,
Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Submissive
Women, and you went out and found
yourself a tall, feminine introvert who
wants you to top her. What next?
Safe Words & Ease Words
Particularly where both of you are new
to BDSM, you should give her a "safe"
word & some ease words. They can be
anything, but should be something
non-sexual. So with a long-time sub I
used to have, she would use Red
("stop, but leave me tied up until I'm
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ok to proceed again"), Yellow
("careful") and Green ("all clear, go
back to treating me like the naughty
girl that I am"). There was also a
"safe" word. I let the sub pick, so long
as it's not "No", "Don't" or "Stop". One
used "Oranges", another used
"Crackers", other girls pick other
things (I prefer them to be at least two
syllables.) That results in, an all action
stop, sub is released from restraint,
scene ends. This can happen b/c a sub
is legitimately injured, because there
is some psychological problem
(typically unrelated to the scene), etc.
Some subs don't want safe words, but
really, have one anyway. And respect
their use. I've had subs give me back
their safe words, but that's only ok (for
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me) in the context of a developed
relationship with a foundation of trust.
Bear in mind, also, that there may be
situations where a sub is physically or
psychologically unable to use her safe
word. You need to be tuned in to her
mental state, and maintain
responsibility for her health and
safety.
Equipment
I generally do not use rope—there are
the “Two Knotty Boys” video for
people who want to learn that stuff.
With rope, you have to be way more
careful about circulation to
extremities, etc. Leather cuffs have
the advantage of being both secure
and easier on circulation. Or a silk
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necktie that you don’t care much
about. That’s good for beginners also.
And really, it’s what old school ties and
mattress handles are for.
I will also use a blindfold, typically a
‘sleep mask’. It creates/accentuates
passivity in the female, and also has
the effect of accentuating your touch
on her skin. You should also have
some rope scissors handy (if you use
rope/tape/etc.) and you want the kind
with a rounded point that you’re not
going to jab her with.
Beyond that, the sky is the limit.
Armbinders, collars, yada-yada. The
more formal and intense you get, the
more of this becomes involved. Or so
I’m told.
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“But Uncle Vasya, What if I Hit
Her Too Hard, or Cross a Line?”
I had a girl, years ago, who really
wanted me to beat the hell out of her.
The only way to make a determination
about what her limits are is to have a
conversation about them, during nonsexy times. So with the girl in
questions, she wanted it super rough,
including face slaps, but did not want
to be punched with a closed fist or
have any permanent damage done. I
don't really enjoy inflicting pain, but I
will do it if that's what the girl wants,
right up to the negotiated limit. This
particular girl decided, one night, midscene, that she didn’t really want to be
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roughed up as much as usual (she was
worried that bruises might be visible
to her visiting mother. Once I
reminded her of her safe word, she
used it (the only time she ever did),
and that was that. Once mom’s visit
was done, it was back to the rough
stuff…just like she wanted.
Very often these things are contextual.
Thus it’s important to develop a good
rapport with your sub.
What About the ‘Smart-Assed
Sub’?
Girls will, from time to time, do what is
known as ‘bratting’, which is negative
attention-getting in the hopes of being
disciplined. Give her one CLEAR
warning that her behavior is
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unacceptable, and if she persists, she
will go over your knee, skirt up,
panties down (if she is permitted to
wear panties) and you will warm her
bottom up.
Another version is the “Don’t! Stop!
Don’t stop!” girl, who might also say
“Whatever you do, don’t make me
[something she really wants to be
‘forced’ to do].” One of the things that
should be made clear is, when she has
a safe word/ease words, "Don't", "No"
and "Stop" will be ignored. Lots of girls
want to be 'forced'. That way, they can
enjoy all the kinky, dirty fun they want,
but still be ladies in the parlor. She can
resist all she wants…if she has a safe
word.
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How Should I Address My Sub,
Both Physically and Verbally?
While some people prefer certain
forms of address (“Master”, “Sir”,
etc.), I have no objection to hearing
my name on the lips of a beautiful
woman, provided she is properly
deferential. An aside here. Subs make
themselves vulnerable. One thing you
shouldn’t do is betray her trust. What
happens between you stays between
you. A couple of my close friends know
my predilections in this regard, but I
do not confirm or deny w/r/t particular
girls, especially if they know the girl
socially. Another aside: I once had a
girl refer to me as “Master” at a dinner
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innocent, sly look and said, “Think of it
as an honorary title.” And the
conversation moved on.
While I am not a big fan of humiliation
(although some subs will want that),5 I
prefer an attitude of light
condescension -- Amused Mastery,
as it is otherwise known. You are the
master and she is your toy. She needs
adult supervision and you know what’s
best for her. Verbalize that.
The first thing I might do, with a new
sub is tell her, “Struggle for me.” Then
I watch her strain against her bonds
for as long as I want. You want her to
understand the nature and extent of
her situation. She’s not going
anywhere, unless you permit it.6
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Physically, I prefer to tantalize a sub.
Play her young and tender body like a
Stradivarius. A light touch can have
more of the desired effect than a
sharp slap. Caress her in places where
she is unaccustomed to it: behind her
ear, lightly grip her throat7 , the
underside of her breasts, her belly, her
inner thighs and, of course, more
expectedly, but with a very light
touch, her pussy.
I like to get a girl revved up, so that
she’s moving her hips in frantic, little
circles, thrusting her pubis up at me
and begging for release. Finally, I will
climax her as many times as she is
capable of, until she is begging to be
permitted to stop, or she passed out,
whichever comes first.
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Once she is absolutely spent, her body
jelly, and she is glassy-eyed from
pleasure, I will lean down next to her
ear and whisper, firmly, “Now, I will
TAKE what is MINE,” and then use
her body for my pleasure.
Do I have to play rough with a girl
all the time?
All of this is individual to your
relationship. She may not want it
rough every night. It's all preference.
For example, if it were up to me, my
plates would wear thigh highs
Every.Single.Time. And they pretty
much do. Why? Because.Daddy.LIKES.
Is it the end of the world if they don't?
Nope. But I happen to like the feel of
stockings on a woman's leg, then
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hitting smooth skin, and then, well,
wet pussy. Sue me.
You might substitute in simple B/D or
D/S, for all the rough stuff. Entirely up
to you and the chick. I one of the girls I
mentioned above I would hardly be
rough with aside from some light-tomedium spankings (she would get
incredibly wet from them, so big fun
for everyone), but she'd be naked/tied
when we were together at least 90%
of the time, and the other 10% of the
time, she was free so she could serve
me in some way. When we weren't
having sex, we might lay in bed and
have an entirely normal conversation
about life, mutual friends, etc. (we
were actually long-term friends).
During play, I would talk to her with
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light condescension (as noted) b/c that
made her pussy purr. She would even
sleep while bound.8 Safety, in this
scenario, was paramount. While she
was blindfolded and bound, I was
using leather cuffs, and there was zero
danger of loss of circulation, and she
could be freed from them easily (for
folks who use rope, having rope
scissors is a necessity, as discussed
above). Also, I am one of those people
who wakes instantaneously. So if
there's an emergency, I'm up and
going, full speed, within 30 seconds.
Uncle Vasya, In Today's 'Rape
Hysteria' Culture, How Can a Guy
Protect Himself?
Excellent quesiton. While it is unlikely
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that your sub will 'cry rape', if she
does, are White Knight cops going to
actually believe that Suzie Snowflake
wanted to be held down in a hammer
lock and railed in the ass? Probably
not.
So what to do?
One angle to play is have a girl write
out her fantasies and email them to
you. It's a good exercise for her, and
provides cover for you in the event
you need it. (So far, no visits from the
cops for me....)
What About When We’re Not
Having Sex?
Again, this is contextual, depending on
the relationship. With some girls, it will
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be like a normal (“vanilla”)
relationship, outside of the bedroom.
Others will want a more subservient
role. One absolutely loved ironing my
dress shirts, and tidying up my house
in the nude. Another one I would, from
time to time, use as a ‘table’. To do
this, I would sit on the floor, with my
back against something (a chair, the
wall), and have her on all fours. I
would then eat a plate of food she had
prepared for me, utilizing her as a
table. Odd, I know, but she totally dug
it. (Clearly, you have to be careful with
any hot items.)
Upwards of 90% of this stuff is
psychological. How much rough stuff
there needs to be, or how far it
extends outside of the bedroom, is up
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to the two (or more) of you.
Now go forth and SLAY, you naughty
lads.
Footnotes:
1
Go read the ‘consent’ bit again, if you
need to. The hamster doesn’t want to
submit to just any douchebag, it has to
be one she’s attracted to.
2
Unless it’s mosquito season.
3
Which really, nobody does, and if you
do, bring a blanket, and even then,
you’re going to get sand in
uncomfortable places. Sometimes
friction isn’t your friend.
4
“Provided that there’s a penis in the
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room, so I can say I’m edgy or
exploring and not a dyke.” That’s just
implied, of course, but the subtext
should be obvious.
5
Recall from my previous article that I
had a feminist college professor who
loved it when I had her tied up and
would tell her what a little fraud she
was. She licked that up and asked for
seconds.
6
If you fuck up somehow, and she
actually frees herself, your SMV will
take a hit. Like a -2. I am not making
this up.
7
Some people are into breath play. If
you are, learn to do it safely. Gaspers
can wind up with physiological issues.
Here I mean gently grip, not to restrict
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airflow, but so she knows who is Boss.
8
But not gagged. I seldom gag
women, anyway, because I want their
mouths free for other things.
Conclusions/Lessons Learned
Submissive girls are fun. Letting a girl
express her inner slave girl will
provide hours of enjoyment, and yield
rewards both in the bedroom with
hotter sex, and out of it, by having a
plate/girlfriend who is happy and
balanced. I’m sure I’ve left out some
things, but that’s what the
“comments” section is for.
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Of Human Bondage,
Part II: Slave Girls Are
Fun
by VasiliyZaitzev | 21 March, 2019 |
Link
One of my 20 y.o. plates came out
with this recently, totally unbidden: "I
am glad you don't believe in that
'equality' b.s. It's just not natural."1
Of course, she's 20, hot, and thus
prefers benevolent sexism, because
her sexuality is her currency in life,
and her best hope for avoiding a
barren, Cat Colonist future is
submitting to a strong man, and
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fucking him until his dick is black and
blue.2
Her comment was the genesis of this
post, because, given the narrative we
are fed, it’s important to remind young
men who they are, and who they can
be.
Some Initial Points
This is the Deep End of the Pool. You
are either able to handle responsibility
responsibly, or you need to GTFO.
Toward that end:
CONSENT, muthafuckas. It’s a real
thing. And observing limits, which
should be pre-negotiated during nonsexy times. Also YOU as the
Master/Dom/Taller Person/Whatever,
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are responsible for the health and
safety of your sub and/or slave girl
during play time. Ease words and safe
words. Set them. And understand
that your sub may not be in the
proper “head space” to use an
ease word or a safe word when
she should. Also, drugs and booze do
not mix well with BDSM. That’s how
people get hurt, in ways they don’t
want to.
Also, I should point out now, for all the
folks hate-reading this, that all of my
girls are volunteers. Nobody is being
held against their will or is a victim of
“human trafficking” or some other
bullshit. They’re just kinky, and they
like the feelings that I make them feel.
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A further note: BDSM as it's seen in
the media (e.g. "Fifty Shades of Rape")
and worse, in porn (where it's basically
abuse and humiliation), isn't shown in
all its aspects. While some folks enjoy
the "darker" aspects, it's not really
about beating people up, abusing
them, and yelling at them, at least
typically. Thus, with my girls, it's more
about power exchange, where they
can safely submit without being
abused or put in danger, and where
they can relinquish responsibility. I get
to watch them blossom, right in front
of me.
Submissive Girls Are Fun.
So I have previously written about how
my preference is for tall, introverted,
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feminine submissive women. They are
“home” for me. I like them, and they
like me right back. Bonus: Fewer
behavioral issues. What I have learned
over time is that, while I don’t derive
pleasure from hurting girls – although I
will inflict pain if that’s what a girl is
into3 – I do enjoy control, in particular
tying willing girls up.4 Sue me.
A side-effect of being a Confident,
Dominant, Capable Man who has Built
Something in his life and Made Himself
Exceptional at Something, or a couple
of Somethings, is that you attract
submissive, feminine women: If You
Build It, They Will Come. Some of
them are submissive to the point of
craving absolute (or near absolute)
submission to a Masculine Man. This
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type of woman is our topic today.
What I am about to tell you next is
heresy in the modern world:
Submission is central to the
female experience.5
Congratulations, now you’re a thought
criminal, just like your Uncle Vasya.
Inverse Hierarchies
The funny thing is, the higher up on
the food chain a woman is at work, the
more responsible a job she has, the
more likely is that she craves
submission in her private life. One of
my girls is an Ivy-educated doctor. At
work, she is a highly competent
professional who has the respect of
her peers and the gratitude of her
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When she is with me, she is a collared
slut who eagerly gobbles my cock and
otherwise serves me, sexually and
domestically, in any way I want. If her
friends only knew, etc., etc.6 She gets
a frisson of pleasure when I point that
out. I can actually see it go through
her.
Her Expression: “OMG! Nooooo! Don’t
make meeeeee!”
Her Pussy: “YESSHH! THANK YOU FOR
MAKING ME!!!
PURRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!”
The even funnier bit is that she has
about 7-8 orbiters – one who gets
tongue-tied around her, another who
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writes poems for her, another one who
sends her dick pics, now that she has
rejected him (he’s blocked, now), and
one who is an ex-bf who has half-way
figured it out, and keeps suggesting
that he tie her up. Last week, she
jokingly proposed introducing me to
him, so he can “meet the guy who
REALLY ties me up!” I have a rather
wicked sense of humor and evidently
it has rubbed off. Must have been
while I was fucking her.
Sometimes, she gets texts from them
(she has to leave her phone on in case
and emergency arises with one of her
patients; I generally have them turn
off their phones so they aren’t
distracted), and I instruct her how to
respond. She took a Friday off to meet
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me at a hotel. Work Orbiter Guy sent
her an “I miss you!! Where are you?!”
text. So I had her reply, “Up in
Manhattan, just fucking around” - she
was naked and in my bed at that
point, having been freshly fucked.
Another guy, who I call “Very Sincere
Guy” (he’s the poet) texted her on a
Saturday, and so I instructed her to
text back late Sunday that she was
sorry she didn’t get back to him, but
she was “All tied up this weekend.”
31 Flavors
The nature of your relationship with
your sub girls are will be defined by
your particular kinds. Some people
prefer Daddy/littles, others prefer
Master/slave, still others prefer
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Dom/sub. Of my current girls, they are
ALL submissive sexually – really, that’s
why they are with me – and some
prefer a more formalized expression.
This usually comes in the form of a
collar. Slave girls LOVE, LOVE, LOVE
their collars. I make them earn their
collars, so that they appreciate them
more. To a slave girl, a collar is a
symbol of her value. It means she is
pretty enough, sexy enough, for a man
to want to CLAIM her, and OWN her.
It’s hot for them. See that feminist
fattie over there? No collar. Why? No
man could want her. Eew. Slave girl?
Collared, because men want her.
That’s what slave girls think about.
And really, they’re right.
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When I first collar a girl, there is
typically a bit of a ritual, but not like
this kind of ritual.7 Well, a bit like that,
but without the cheesy music and
masks. I have her strip naked, and
then kneel, knees apart, wrists crossed
behind her back, and then state that
she wants to give herself to me in
submission, and that she wants to be
collared.
Once a collar goes on, three things
happen:
A. Whatever I say goes. This is more of
a mental thing for the girl. I don’t
suddenly turn into a monster. Or at
least more of a monster than I already
am. /EFG
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B. All her safe and ease words are
revoked.8
C. The collar doesn’t come off until I
either take it off, or it is removed with
my permission. If I’m at work and she
needs to take her collar off to be
outside among the Vanillas? A text
asking permission will appear on my
phone.
After that, they stay naked and I put
ankle bells on them, because I like to.
They sound nice and every step
reminds them that they are slave girls.
They address me as “Master” or
“Daddy” – for whatever reason the
younger ones use these
interchangeably – and, with
permission, by my first name. I usually
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have no objection to hearing my name
on the lips of a beautiful woman.
There are certain other protocols that
involved serving me domestically, and
involve more mundane things, such as
how I like my coffee, how it is to be
served to me (from her knees, head
down, cup offered upwards with both
hands,) etc., etc.
Be her Darkest Sexual Chapter
Let her get her kinks out WITH YOU.
Years from now, when she’s in the
arms of her betabux hubby, she will be
struggling toward orgasm thinking
about what you used to do to her.
Tell a girl how awesome and
empowered she is and how much you
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“rezpekt wimminz!!!” because of it,
and you will likely get a pained
expression that says, “Thanks. Now
excuse me while I go to the Ladies’
and drop a tumbleweed out of my vag,
which you have dried up like the Gobi
Desert. Or the Sahara. Whichever one
is drier.”
Get her talking about her fantasies.
Have her write them out and email
them to you - good intel and good
rebuttal evidence on the off-chance
you wind up with with a "regretted sex
as rape" situation. Every woman has a
fantasy, and still waters run deep. If
you make her comfortable and get her
talking, you would be surprised the
info you can get.
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Use imagery in your seduction of her.
Harness the power of her fantasies
and how you will make them become
real for her. When I’m chatting up a
new girl, I move the topic over to her
fantasies, which will have some gay,
frou-frou shit like “I wanna make love
outdoors!” but at bottom, there are
two common ones: “I wanna do
another chick!” and “Tie me up!”
So I tell them, early on, even on a first
date, that I’m going to tie them up and
do what I want to with them, and
(depending on the girl) make them my
slave girls. I create imagery in their
head about playing their helpless
bodies like a Stradivarius, and wildly
arousing them until they are moving
their hips in frantic little circles, and
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begging for orgasm. Then I will climax
them until they are begging to stop
orgasming, or they pass out, which
ever happens first.
Her brain (verbally): “No guy has ever
talked to me like this before!”
Her Pussy: “YESSH!! FINALLY!
SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS
MEEEEEE!”
Pussy Tingle Generator Level: Niagara
Falls.
Also, giving her skyrocket orgasms is
going to do wonders for (a) her
attraction and (b) your frame.
Years from now, wherever she is,
when she decides to rub one out and
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lays back on her bed and slides her
hand down between her legs to rub
one out, she should be thinking of that
time that you “made” her do x or y
thing.
Obligatory Reminder: Consent is a real
thing, fellas. And it's perfectly ok to
have a pre-bang convo about her (and
your) likes and dislikes, even as part of
foreplay. It keeps everyone's head in
the game that way, and creates a
better environment for all concerned.
It’s 90% Mental
I used to bang a professor, who
worked in some Marxist shithole of a
department. When I would attend
functions with her, I would make her
take her panties off at the door and
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hand them to me, so while I was
making polite conversation with a
bunch of commie faggots, she'd be
walking around, commando,
remembering with each step who the
Boss was.
So anyway, when I would have her in
the bedroom, tied up and doing
whatever I wanted with her, I would
tell her what a little fraud she was, and
"what would your colleagues think of
you if they could see you tied up,
panting for my cock and begging
permission to come? Your career
would be in tatters and you'd have to
spend the rest of your life in my
house, being my naked slave girl,
getting fucked when I say, sucking my
cock when I say and coming when I
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say." She had something of a
"humiliation" thing going on because
she would have massive orgasms as a
result.9
I should add that, IME, subs and slave
girls are often "acting out" something
from their past. They may have had a
"tormentor" of some type, whether it
was a parent, a (usually older) sibling,
or a bully at school and they are
mentally doing a "pantomime" where
they resolve this by "pleasing" their
former tormentor for whom the Master
or Dom is the stand-in for. This is
frequently, but not always, the case.
One of my current girls is just a
'natural slave'. Her home life was fine,
good parents and such, but her desires
are what they are. She repressed them
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for a long time and then found me,
and, lucky for her, I am not a monster
and she can safely express that aspect
of her personality under my
supervision.
Aftercare {hat tip: /u/FereallyRed }
So what happens after a scene? My
girls tend to be well-adjusted and sexpositive so the come-down back from
subspace is usually pretty calm. I
usually leave them tied up during this
phase, with some light, comforting and
generally non-sexual caressing, just to
make sure the landing is ok. If there's
something they want to talk about that
went on during the scene, we talk
about it. Or sometimes it just usual
conversation, about daily life, except
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they are naked and tied up.
Sometimes, my girls sleep while tied
up. It is important to again stress
safety. I prefer to use leather or
neoprene cuffs so there is no risk
to the girl's circulation. If you use
rope, or something similar, you
have to be more careful. Once I and
my then-sub fell asleep that way
afterwards, and she discovered that
she liked it, so sometimes, I would tie
her up before bed even if we weren't
necessarily going to have a full blown
scene.
They WILL Shit Test You.
Women want Leaders, not losers.
Feminine women want to submit to
masculine men…but they will shit test
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the fuck out him first because if he
can’t dismiss her shit test, how would
he ever protect her from other,
predatory males?
I feel badly for feminine women in the
present age. The Accepted Narrative –
”Men BAAAAD! Wimminz GOOOD!!!” –
has gotten so out of hand, particularly
in the media, that they don’t know
where to turn to find what they want Masculine men who can solve
problems, handle life, and under
whose dominion they can be safe and
happy.
No matter what the feministas claim
about being "OPPRESSED!" by the
"PATRIARCHY!" the fact is that a lot of
women think the Patriarchy is cool as
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fuck, and want to be led by a
masculine man. Ex. White women,
when presented with a sexist, pussygrabbing pig and a white female
candidate, voted 53% for Daddy.
They know who the boss is and they
like knowing who the boss is, because
then their only responsibility is to be
obedient. If there is one thing
Hamsters HATE! HATE! HATE! it is
responsibility. The "PATRIARCHY!" which is awesome, of course - exists
with the cooperation and approval of
millions of women.
But for feminine women to find
Masculine men, first there must BE
Masculine men, and what we are
seeing now is the rise of Les Soi Bois.
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A sad state of affairs.
So they will shit test you like crazy
because while the worst thing that can
happen to an average woman is that
she discovers that she gave her pussy
to a beta, a slave girl who gives
herself to a fake dom, who doesn’t
know what the fuck he’s doing, can be
in real trouble.
My girls know that, if they test
boundaries too much or too often, that
“Naughty girls get spanked.” They get
one clear warning, and then they go
over my knee, skirt up, 10 panties (if
any) down, and then discipline is
administered.
Fortune favors the bold, gentlemen.
Think and act accordingly.
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Now go forth and SLAY!
Takeaways
Slave girls are fun.
Be her Darkest Sexual Chapter.
They want to fight you, they just
don’t want to win.
Get her talking about her
fantasies.
Discretion is mandatory.
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Ofc, I don’t care about what other
women do with their lives, in general,
as long as they don’t whine about the
consequences of their shitty choices,
but my girls don’t turn up at my house
so I can treat them like my equals.
2
The sooner attractive young women
are reminded of this, the better for the
country.
3
Ironically, pain sluts will give me
broader range because there’s zero
change that I’m going to “go too far”
because I get off on it, because I don’t.
It is what it is.
4
Go read those two and return.
5
“But I know this one woman who is a
CEO, and a total ball buster and…”
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Shush. Nobody cares. You also know
deluded women who are going to die
alone, in a 1BR flat, in the middle of
her cat colony.
6
Discretion is, ofc, MANDATORY. I
have changed the identifying
information enough anonymize my
girls. It’s only fair.
7
There is a whole world of BDSM folks
out there, and they write books and
come up with acronyms and have
munches, and “ceremonies” and
websites and shit. That’s fine for
people who are into it. I just find it
uninteresting.
8
This is a tricky one. I do it because:
me. My girls have absolute faith in me,
and I’ve had girls use the “All Stop”
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ease word on me twice in the past
seven years – Spoiler Alert: Both times
I “All Stopped” – In both cases it had to
do with something going on in their
brains that they weren’t ready for, and
nothing to do with what I was doing to
them. I’ve weighed the eroticism for
the girl of feeling completely helpless
vs the likelihood that I will overstep,
and resolved it this way, with their
agreement.
9
I repeat, discretion is MANDATORY.
I anonymize my girls, and I never
fucked with them (figuratively and
literally) where they worked or in other
aspects of their lives. You don’t do that
to other human beings. Plus it’s a bit
sexy to have a secret like that.
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No trousers or pants. Those are for
men. My girls dress like girls.
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Be her Darkest Sexual
Chapter
by VasiliyZaitzev | 8 March, 2019 | Link
This is an excerpt from my
forthcoming sequel to Of Human
Bondage – Uncle Vasya’s Guide for
Men Who Like To Tie Up Young
Ladies.
In the mean time, enjoy....
Be her Darkest Sexual Chapter
Let her get her kinks out WITH YOU.
Years from now, when she’s in the
arms of her betabux hubby, she will be
struggling toward orgasm thinking
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about what you used to do to her.
Tell a girl how awesome and
empowered she is and how much you
“rezpekt wimminz!!!” because of it,
and you will likely get a pained
expression that says, “Thanks. Now
excuse me while I go to the Ladies’
and drop a tumbleweed out of my vag,
which you have dried up like the Gobi
Desert. Or the Sahara. Whichever one
is drier.”
Get her talking about her fantasies.
Have her write them out and email
them to you - good intel and good
rebuttal evidence on the off-chance
you wind up with with a "regretted sex
as rape" situation. Every woman has a
fantasy, and still waters run deep. If
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you make her comfortable and get her
talking, you would be surprised the
info you can get.
Also, giving her skyrocket orgasms is
going to do wonders for (a) her
attraction and (b) your frame.
Years from now, wherever she is,
when she lays back on her bed and
slides her hand down between her legs
to rub one out, she should be thinking
of that time that you “made” her do x
or y thing.
Obligatory Reminder: Consent is a real
thing, fellas. And it's perfectly ok to
have a pre-bang convo about her (and
your) likes and dislikes, even as part of
foreplay. It keeps everyone's head in
the game that way, and creates a
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better environment for all concerned.
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Uncle Vasya's Guide To
Threesomes
by VasiliyZaitzev | 9 April, 2018 | Link
And now, the quest begins, to nab the
Holy Grail of manhood
I'd love, to score hot twins, like any
hokey porno fan would
Although, that would be swell, they
just don't sell, that stuff on e-bay
And yet, still hope I'll get, to have a
three-way
-“Threeway” parody of Frank Sinatra’s
“My Way”
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So you want a threesome.1 Well, you
think you do – like the song says, they
are basically the Holy Grail for
heterosexual men from the time we
become sexually aware – but the
reality may be different than you
think. Or not. Oh, and the worst part
about threesomes is, after the sex is
over, you now have TWO girls in the
room asking "So....what are you
thinking about?"
Intrepid readers, please continue.
1
For purposes of this discussion, I
mean the “Love Sammich” (FFM)
threesomes; a “Devil’s Threeway”
(MMF) is otherwise called a “train” in
my world. Because really, fuck that
noise. There will be cries of “No fair!”
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That usually comes from girls who
aren’t that down, or who want to
extract something. I’ve never had a
girl who legit wanted a 3way demand
“reciprocity”. They will almost
universally specify a female partner.
Also biologically, FFM couplings make
more sense – they give women access
to higher status men and they give
higher status men more opportunity to
propagate their genetic legacy.
The Typical Situation
The typical situation that arises that
arises for men is, they have a
girlfriend, maybe the girlfriend has
hinted that she might be willing to do
a Love Sammich, maybe she hasn’t.
How to find out? As I often
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recommend, get girls talking, and you
will find out all sorts of useful
information.
I get girls comfortable, and I ask them
about what their deepest, most secret,
greasiest little fantasy is. There is the
usual flowery bullshit that they put up
as a smoke screen about wanting to
“make love” on a beach at sunset2 or
on a bed covered with rose petals, and
then there are two that recur:
A. “Tie me up!”
B. “I wanna have sex with another
girl!”
So here’s the thing: if your girl, at
bottom, isn’t bi-curious of doesn’t
want to have a threeway, then that’s
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how it is. Don’t nag, cajole, pester or
beg. Make a decision as to whether
you’re going to end the relationship or
not. OTOH, if you a spinning plates,
then, well, you don’t have that
problem, do you?
Whether you are looking for the
second girl or starting from scratch
(with a willing gf) the next question
that arises is, where to find the 2nd
girl? Recently I was asked in askTRP
where to meet bi-girls. Well, first,
there isn’t typically a “bi-girl hangout
joint” that you can google. OTOH, you
meet bi and bi-curious women
everywhere. You just have to gather
information, and make the sale.
The good news: unlike men, who are
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basically "AC" or "DC", many/most
women are at least "bi-curious".
The bad news: bi-girls tend to be flaky
as fuck. As in “have the stability of the
high-numbered stuff on the Periodic
Table.”
2
Nobody actually wants to do this. If
they do, they don’t want to do it again.
Two Words: “sand” and “crevices”.
You can work out the rest.
The Hierarchy
I think it’s actually better to find two
girls at the same time, or
approximately the same time, before
the relationship (if there is or will be
one) with one girl is more formalized.
Why? Because once a girl is invested
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in you, she has something to lose. The
“girlfriend” is very often going to want
to impose a bunch of stupid rules – do
NOT let her do this because they are
often designed to fuck you over, like
not letting you screw the other girl.
Don’t let her ruin your fun. One way to
avoid this is to put Girl2 on her back
have the girlfriend lower her pussy on
to the other girls mouth facing away
from you, who will be mounting Girl2.
Or lay on the bed, have the girlfriend
in reverse cowgirl and have Girl2 sit on
your face. Or have the girlfriend sit on
your face, and have Girl2 blow you.
The girlfriend is pulling this
“hierarchy” shit because girls are very
often insecure. That’s why she wants
….
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A Girl who Looks Like Me
My girlfriend's girlfriend, she looks like
you
My girlfriend's girlfriend, she's my girl
too
-“My Girlfriend’s Girlfriend”, Type O
Negative
If you are in an established
relationship with a girl who is
exploring her bi-ness for the first time,
don’t be surprised when she says that
she wants to lose her lesbo-virginity
with a girl who “looks like me”. Girls
who look like her will be less
threatening. You’re not going to dump
her for a girl who looks like her,
because you already have a girl who
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looks like her. On the other hand, if
she’s a brunette and you partner up
with a hot blonde, you (‘her’ man) may
suddenly discover that you like
blondes better, and dump her by the
side of the road. For men, the big fear,
in terms of biology, is being cucked;
for women it is loss of resources,
which in the Bad Old Days of the Saber
Tooth Tiger, could mean death for her
and her offspring.
The Mechanics
So you get them to own up to their
lezzy desires, and then you get two of
them together. Also, don't do anything
like go on a "date" or some other
dumb shit to "set the mood". They will
want to do that. Do not. Get them
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together, have anyone who needs a
shot do one, and then get busy. You’re
dealing with two Hamsters. Elongating
the time frame gives one or the other
hamster time to hamster way and
blow up your perfectly good 3way.
Get down to business, before shit slips
away from you.
You Have the Right to Remain
Silent
“When a girl wants to fuck you, shut
up and let it happen.” - Chris Rock
So I coached a buddy of mine through
his first 3-way last fall. He had a FWB
relationship with a girl who was sort of
into the 3way idea, but was also
pitching it as “Hey, Ima do this for you,
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and then we’re going to be exclusive,
m’kay?” covert contract. He didn’t
make any promises, but went ahead
anyway.
Now, said FWB had a thing about the
other girl – she was a plate, and she
was doing other people also – staying
over, i.e. she very much did NOT want
that to happen. Hierarchy and all that.
Logistics dictated otherwise. He asks
me if he should tell the first girl that
that 2nd girl is likely going to stay
over. Me: “Only do that if you have
decided that you definitely DO NOT
WANT the 3way to happen.” So a good
time was had by all, but guess who left
in a huff after when it was discovered
that Girl2 was sleeping over? Exactly.
Tell her that before? No 3way. Why
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that mattered, I don’t know, but it did.
Girls are retarded. He texted me after:
Him: “You were right about
everything.”
Me: “That happens a lot. Like all the
time. It can be a curse, really.”
Your Job is to Have a Cock
For a lot of bi-curious women, they
want the comfort of a man's cock in
the room so they didn't have to think,
"But…but…but what if I'm a Giant
Lesbo?!" Once things get rockin’, she
may forget about that bit and be more
into the other chick. Don’t worry about
it. Encourage her, and then reap the
rewards of being a chill guy later.
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You Are the Director of Your Own
‘Porn Film’
In our meat triangle, all tangled. Wow.
-“My Girlfriend’s Girlfriend”, Type O
Negative
So very often what happens with first
timers is, the girlfriend turns out to be
way into it and the guy starts feeling
left out. So put yourself back in the
game. Direct traffic, decide who is
doing what to whom and when. And
after they’ve had a shot at each other,
get your double-team blowjob (see
below). Never assume that the girls
are going to know what you want.
You’re the leader of the pack, so lead
them.
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So the point of having a 3way is to do
stuff that you can’t do with just one
woman.
You know what’s better than getting a
blowjob from one woman? Getting a
blowjob from two women.
Have one work your dick while the
other one gargles your nutsack or rims
you. Just trusting me on the rimming
part.
You are The Sherriff
As I have alluded to before, I like tying
girls up. Always have, always will. I
have also known from my childhood
that I am crazy strong and I can hurt
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people even when I don’t mean to.
Lots of people turn into sadistic
motherfuckers when they have control
over another person – google the
“Stanford Prison Experiment”. There is
(supposedly) a lot of violence in
lesbian relationships and you have to
be careful to not let shit get out of
hand if you are using BDSM in your
threeway, which is a distinct possibility
because some girls will want to be tied
up so they can hamster away the part
where they are lezzing out isn’t “their
fault”.
If you are using BDSM, the same rules
apply as always: you have to
understand the sub’s limits and you
can’t let the other girl beat the shit out
of the sub, or at least exceed the sub’s
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limits. One way to handle this is to tell
the girl who isn’t going to be tied up
that you are going to tie her up later
and give the sub a crack at her. That
often keeps girls in the right frame of
mind.
The “Household of Three”
Throw away your dad’s morality, your
mom’s conventionality it’s not for me
If it were me and you and you and her
and her and me, we’d be so happy
together
-You & Me & Her, -Itis
That’s what ménage à trois actually
means: Household of Three. While we
typically think of them as one-offs, you
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may find that you like the lifestyle,
which is fine as long as everyone is on
board. Previously, I was in a couple of
separate relationships that were
"households of three" as it were. In the
first case, an ex-gf circled back around
because she really wanted to have sex
with her roommate - I could hardly
blame her; the girl was hot. The ex
also knew that the roommate was not
going to be DTF unless there was a
cock in the room. To the ex, I was a
"known quantity" (i.e., if she fucks me
again, she's still at "N+0") and she
knew I'd be able to close the deal,
which I was. So she basically set me
up with the roommate, knowing full
well that (a) I would seduce her, and
(b) I would happily share, and once the
girl got comfortable, she'd open up a
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bit. Anyway, that lasted about a year
and a half and was Big Fun all the way
around.
In the other case, I was meeting a girl I
was dating at a club and I ran into her
"genetic twin" – they could have been
sisters. So, knowing the girl I was
dating would be DTF her, I established
that Girl2 was down, and then the first
girl showed up and soon enough we
were in a relationship together. The
two girls wound up becoming
roommates later on, which made it
convenient for me – I would refer to
our sessions as “roommating”. While I
don’t make a habit of it, I do throw in
the occasional “dad” joke.
So you do have to be able to manage
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jealousy issues, both inside and
outside of the relationship. Especially
at the beginning they will be conscious
of being treated "equally" or
sometimes the girl who you knew first
wants some advantage, but you have
to squelch that nonsense early on.
Anyway, time moves on, and things
change. The roommate from the first
story got married and has a kid, now.
She seems happy, so good for her. The
ex from that tale sort of went off the
deep end. She posed in Playboy (so I
can cross that off my bucket list) and
moved to Europe where she's
presently being used as a cum
dumpster by her "sponsor' and has a
well-developed drug habit.
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Of the two girls in the other
threesome, one became a chef, and
the other one (that was the one I
mistook for the first one) is a teacher
now. She is still useful as a 'corner
square' in 'girl-girl-Vasya' tic-tac-toe.
It’s useful to have a deep bench.
Of my two LTRs, the first is more “NO
WAY!” than “3Way!” which is fine;
that’s her nature and her choice.
OLTR2 has recently expressed an
interest and, luckily, I know some bigirls who would LOVE a crack at her –
all of which will be carefully stagemanaged by me, if and when it
happens – this stuff is tricky, after all.
Managing Relationships Between
the Girls
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She could help you cook & clean and
she'd know just what you mean,
(someone who listens)”
And as I snore away the night, she
could always hold you tight, (it's what
we're missin')
-You & Me & Her, -Itis
The Ex and Roommate negotiated a
rather complex treaty about managing
things when I wasn't around (they
were both young (early 20s) and had
things like "parents", so there was
some discussion about whose
'boyfriend' I was going to be at whose
house, etc., if and when it came up.) It
was kind of funny, because I pointed
out to my ex, that, when I wasn't
around, she "was the boyfriend" - the
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other girl was a bit more of a girly-girl
than she was.
The teacher and the chef were more
independent – no pesky family nearby.
The chef was more of the “boyfriend”
in that situation, but it was less
pronounced.
I also have a bit of an odd situation
going on with a couple of plates – one
is a dancer who is only down for
threeways…BUT, she’s in love with
one of my plates. The plate is in love
with me. The dancer is terrified that I
will “take [my plate] away” from her.”
It creates an interesting power
dynamic, but luckily for all concerned
I’m a benevolent dictator. As time
goes on, the dancer will either
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acclimate and accept things as they
are, or she will not.
Relationships With The Outside
World
Her and me and her and she and me
An uncrowded couple; are we three
Hey we don't care what people say
When walking hand in hand down
Kings Highway
Two for one today
-“My Girlfriend’s Girlfriend”, Type O
Negative
This can be complicated. You run into
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problems with judgy bluepills,
especially “ladies of a certain age”
spinsters who feel “entitled”, and
Bitter, Butthurt BetasTM who are miffed
at the perceived misallocation of
pussy-related resources. I prefer to opt
for an “unapologetic” stance. “Which
one are you with?” – “Both of them” –
“But there are two girls” – “Yes, I
know. It’s nice.”
There will be the occasional doubletakes, although I find that when I’m in
Continental Europe it’s less of a big
deal. Once I have arranged a hotel
suite for me and one of the pairs at a
place where I sometimes stay on
business in Europe. So in making the
reservation by phone - I had to in
order to get a suite (required because
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3 people) - the (American) CSR
couldn't get past that I had 3 people,
but wanted a king bed and kept
turning down her suggestion of a cot
for the room. So finally, I was like
"Look. I have a 'Vicky-CristinaBarcelona' thing going on. One king
bed. No cot." When I showed up at the
hotel, the Europeans understood right
away. Very amusing.
Similarly, I was checking in to a hotel
on the Côte d'Azur – the school
teacher speaks fluent French – so I’m
being checked-in – it was in a
separate, seating area with the GM
handling it – and the two girls excused
themselves to the Ladies. The GM
looked after them as they left, turned
back to me, said, “I offer you my
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congratulations” and then went right
back to business without missing a
beat.
Final Points
-Bi-girls can be fun, but they are
typically flaky.
-You will get push back from
“normies”. Fuck that shit, live how you
want.
-If you engage in longer-term
relationships, be ready to manage
both women, as well as handle any
outside interference and bullshit.
-Threesome ‘relationships’ tend to be
transient in nature – of course so do
most of your friendships and romantic
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relationships – so relax and enjoy
them in the moment.
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Older Men, Younger
Women: How & When
It Can Work.
by VasiliyZaitzev | 13 February, 2017 |
Link
Older Men, Younger Women
So I’ve gotten a few PMs about this
when it pops up in my comments and
so I’m doing a top-level post about it.
I am and older [49M] man who prefers
the company of younger women
[20sF] in terms of romantic partners.1 I
like what I like. Sue me. If an older
woman can sell the “cougar” bit to a
younger man, then good for her. It’s a
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free country, and everyone cuts their
own deal.
Anyway, for guys who are similarly
situated, or for younger guys who
want to be similarly situated when
they are older, I can advise as follows:
When a man looks at a woman, her
SMV in his eyes is largely - basically
entirely - dependent on her facial and
body symmetry, her waist-to-hips ratio
and whether she has long hair or not,
because you can tell a lot about a
woman’s health by the length and
condition of her hair.2 “That law
degree looks so sexy on you!” said No
Man Ever. Don’t like it? Go argue with
God, the Universe, Aliens, whomever.
When a woman looks at a man, his
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SMV in her eyes includes his physical
attractiveness, but also includes other
things such as intelligence,
confidence, status, etc., all of which is
lucky for me.
Now, as a man ages, he will still have
more and generally better options if
he keeps fit, of course. But that's not
100% of the game.
The Important Bit
Really there are 3 types of young
women:
A. Those that only want a man near
their own age, and the thought of a
guy more than four years older is
“grody" or whatever the kids say.
That’s fine, they are perfectly entitled
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to their preferences just as we are to
ours, and you will NOT be getting girls
from this group. Maybe as a one-off,
but generally, it ain’t happenin’. And
that’s fine.
B. Those that prefer a man near their
own age, but are open to an older
man. These girls can be fun, but in
general, relations with them will be
short term and then they (or you) will
wander off. They can also cause
problems, however unintentionally, if
you mistake them for women from the
third group.
C. Those girls that actively prefer an
older lover. It is on this group that we
will focus.
The girls in that third group have to
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keep their preferences quiet because
the girls in the first group shame them
for it. So the trick for older men, at
least those that prefer Sweet Young
Things 3, is to learn the signs to
distinguish the girls in the third group
from those in the second. You just
have to watch for it, and the signs will
appear.
The Signs
Everything will be 20% more
pronounced. Her eyes will linger 20%
longer, she's more likely to look down
(showing submission) and will do so
sooner. She is more likely to blush.
She will seem a bit more into you that
you would otherwise expect, and she
will keep trying, shyly, to give you an
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opening. She will find herself lingering
in your presence. You may find
yourself thinking, “This seems is too
easy.” Of course it does; she’s plowing
the road for you.4
How do I know? This group of girls is
"Home" for me. Along with tall girls,
introverted girls, submissive girls and
feminine girls. Actually, very often,
there’s a lot of overlap with these
traits.
Girls in this group are fond of order,
structure, and ritual. They like calm.
Maybe they had an absent father and
they Want a Daddy. It’s a cliché, but
it has some basis in truth. Maybe she
had a strict father, or an older father,
and a “male led” relationship is her
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“comfort zone”. It doesn’t matter.
What matters is what is.
As an older man, your job is to LEAD
and hers is to follow. Her preference
will be to defer to your (wise)
judgment. She likes you because you
are a Known Quantity. She doesn’t
have to wait and find out if you’re
going to be successful or not, because
you already are.5 You are also less
likely to get emotional – particularly
angry – and more likely to calmly solve
problems, or know how to avoid them
in the first place, because you have
experience in life and your shit is
wired tight.
But you have to be able to read the
signs.
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Ex. Years ago, before I had my 'Older
Man' game completely down, I was at
a wedding reception after party,
hanging out at the bar, chatting with a
group of younger folks. One by one
they wandered off, except a tall, shy
girl. At some point, I realized, “Oh,
right. Group C" and suggested we
decamp to somewhere more private
(e.g. my hotel room), to which she said
something that, on the subtextual
level, meant “I thought you'd never
ask!"
That's the thing about this group. You
need to Solve the Puzzle to Win the
Prize.
What About Shaming?
Expect it. Don’t believe me? Google
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“older men and younger women” and
you will get pages of it. Pages and
Pages of Dirty, Dirty Shame. When
someone tries to shame you, it is Your
Job As A Man to Shut That Shit Down
Like It’s Fukushima, whether it comes
from post-WallSPLAT! hags, jealous
younger men, or Group A chicks.
SPLAT!
ToThe
With post-WallHell hags, any older guy
dating, mating and plating younger
girls means one less man in their
cohort, where quality men are at a
premium. Even if a woman is married
to Billy Beta, she will more likely than
not Support The Spinsterhood
Sisterhood! Besides, she doesn’t need
you giving Billy Beta any ideas about
dumping her and replacing her with a
younger model, even if it’s on a
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“monkey see, monkey do” basis.
Younger guys with One-itis for the girl
you are getting can try to puff
themselves up and AMOG you, but
that shit is easily handled.
Ex. Back in my Dirty 30s, I was driving
down to Virginia and stopped off in DC
where I knew a lovely, willing 20 y.o.
She had just been there about two
weeks (summer break) and was in a
house share situation and one of the
guys she was living with had
developed major One-itis for her. He
was drunk when I arrived, and it went
bad. He tried to AMOG me, and I drove
a shiv through his heart - ”Hmm. I
remember my first beer.” She giggled
and he lost his shit. I spirited her off to
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an unknown destination to do Uncle
Vasya things with her. He woke up
hung over and I woke up next to her.
Tip for Younger Guys: Your day with
Group C girls will come. In the
meantime, you should be Thinking
Horizontally, Not Vertically and be
off gaming multiple women, not
getting One-itis for a that One Special
GirlTM who isn’t into you.
Where Shit Goes Wrong
If you accidentally wife up a chick from
Group 2, who basically fucked up what
she wanted. Or you wifed up a Gold
Digger.
Or you let your Confidence go wobbly.6
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1. Suit up. For a woman, a man in
a well turned out suit is the same
as a woman in lovely lingerie is
for a man. Do I need to tell you
not to try to dress in baggy, boy
band or fake rapper-type
clothes? No, of course not.
2. You lead, she follows. Taking
her out? She needs to know two
things.7 Tell her the dress code,
even it if is, “I will be wearing
{X}, so dress as women do when
men are wearing {X},” and the
time you will be picking her up.
Tell her to be ready.
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3. Play to your strengths. You
are the wily old fox. You can
show her things she will be
seeing For The First Time, in
places where Timmy and Simon
back at the dorm cannot follow.
4. Don't Make Unforced Errors.
No ‘dad jokes’ or Aloha shirts. It’s
not a good look.
TL;DR: Young women who dig older
men can be fun.
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1
As you might imagine, there are
some people, primarily women who
are post-WallSPLAT! but also sometimes
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jealous young men who don’t like it
when and older man catches the fancy
of an attractive younger woman.
2
Because…Darwin.
3
I only use 100% real cheese.
4
Unless you’re in Vegas. In that case,
oddly, all bets are off.
5
”A-HAH!” cries the jealous old hag
post-WallSPLAT! woman, ”GOOOOOLD
DIGGERRRRR!!!” This is, of course, a
variation of “shaming”. To whose
disadvantage does the Older Man +
Younger Woman coupling work? You
should be able to name that tune in
one note.
6
That’s 100% real cheese.
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I’m assuming a minimum level of
competence, so I trust you will have
pre-screened for food allergies and
other weirdness, etc.
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Older Men, Younger
Women, Part II
by VasiliyZaitzev | 3 May, 2018 | Link
Good news on the "Older Men,
Younger Women" front: A quarter of
millennials are looking to date
someone significantly older than them
"According to research from
the world's largest dating app
Badoo, many millennials are
trying to find a partner who is
significantly older than them.
A sample of 10,500 people on
the Badoo database revealed
that 26% of 18-24 year olds
would date someone over the
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26%? Actually, if one is an older man,
it gets better - as you might well
imagine, young women are
significantly more likely to date older
men than young men are to date older
women.1 Ten years? 1/3 of Millenials
are ok with that: "Nearly a third of
women have dated someone 10 years
older, and 9% of men would date
someone 20 years older than them."
"Millennials are looking to
date someone who is older; as
with age comes maturity and
also the connotation of having
your life together," Moujaes
said. "Dating someone older
can be seen as a fast-track
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route into leading a stable
life, which for a lot of
millennials is enticing."
Indeed. When my OLTR1 arrives at
Maison Zaitzev, it is like an oasis for
her. No parents, no little brother, no
worries. She knows she will get to
enjoy the tranquility of "Stately
Zaitzev Manor", walk around naked,
enjoy good food and wine, and get
boned in pretty much every room in
the house.
There is little scientific
evidence that women who go
for older men have broken
attachment styles - known
colloquially as "daddy issues."
(Just in case that's what you
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were thinking.) For example,
one study from 2016,
published in the journal
Evolutionary Behavioral
Sciences, found that women
in couples with small and
large age gaps were similar in
both attachment style and
relationship satisfaction.
This is typically used to shame
younger women who prefer older men,
but hey, I say: "Come to DADDY!"
Ultimately, the survey does
suggest many millennials are
looking for a relationship with
older people, and the reasons
for that are completely
speculative. Some people
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might just like the idea of
dating someone with more
experience - and dating sites
are a really easy way to make
that happen.
I prefer Day Game for this myself, but
that's just a preference. The nice thing
about dating apps, one imagines, for
young women who prefer older men, is
that they aren't going to be shamed
online for their preferences.
Also, I imagine that bluepills have
gotten the vapors and clutched their
pearls early on - "Noooooooo! Average
middle-aged guys totes can't have
causal sex with 18-21 year old hot
sorority girls! You can't do it, so you
had better marry a tatted up bar slut
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quick, before all the good ones are
taken! No fair! No fair! Auuuugh! It's
DAYLIGHT! Where's my COFFIN!!!"2
The TRP prescription is: Don't be
average. This is why we tell you to
Lift. This is why we tell you to eat
clean. This is why we preach to you to
Be the Best Version of Yourself
that you can be. Not everyone gets
to be an astronaut, but there are at
least a couple things that you can
become excellent at.3 Do those, build
your self-confidence, develop
abundance mentality and go chat
up some girls.
Why? Because Faint Heart Never
Fucked Fair Lady
Now go forth and SLAY!
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As I have said before, everyone cuts
their own deal in life, and if an older
gal can sell the "cougar fantasy" to a
younger guy, then good for her. But
that ain't usually how that goes.
2
This was actually the theme of a
"CMV" post over on PPD recently. The
structure of the question is designed
to imply a particular answer which is
why it's set up as "average" guys
getting "hotties". All the better to
maintain their bluepill illusion. Why?
Because self-improvement is difficult;
sitting on your ass watching porn,
eating Cheetos and jacking off is easy.
If the illusion is shattered, then the
bluepills will have to work at shit, too.
3
I write and perform original music
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and front my own band. When my
OLTR2 found that out, she said, point
blank and out loud, "I'm going to have
to re-evaluate how cool you are." You
may not be a musician or whatever,
but there is something you can do and
be good at. I also play co-rec beach
volleyball in the summer. It's good
exercise and it puts me around young
women.
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For Online Daters,
Women Peak at 18
While Men Peak at 50,
Study Finds.
by VasiliyZaitzev | 18 August, 2018 |
Link
From the New York Times.
For Online Daters, Women Peak at
18 While Men Peak at 50, Study
Finds. Oy.
Imagine, gentle readers, the pain this
will cause the Hamsters of the world.
Lots of shrieking and gnashing of
teeth. The Tout le Monde who go
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about, reading the ‘right’ books and
periodicals, are seen at the ‘right’
places and believe in the ‘right’ things,
express the ‘right’ opinions, and who
believe in SCIENCE! have been
betrayed by their god. SCIENCE
delivers a shiv to the very heart of the
Hamster.
If you haven’t watched
“Nanette,” Hannah Gadsby’s
fearless comedy special on
Netflix, do that now. (We’ll
wait.)
Don’t bother, unless you like butch
lesbian comics in horn-rimmed
glasses. I mean, she might be quite
funny, as Amy Wong is and Sarah
Silverman used to be, but I can’t be
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In it, Ms. Gadsby takes on the
fragility of masculinity
I am reminded that liberals and
bluepills often project their own guilt
on to others. Women hit their prime
(supposedly) at 18, and men at 50,
and yet when confronted with
SCIENCE! it’s somehow the MEN that
are “fragile”
LOL. I don’t fucking think so.
and at one point drills into
Pablo Picasso, who, well into
his 40s, had an affair with a
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aged cock into the very willing vag of
a teenage girl? By making himself
exceptional. Recall this is exactly the
prescription of your Wise Uncle Vasya:
Older Men, Younger Women: How
& When It Can Work
Picasso, as a world-famous artist who
invented Cubism. So he was an O.G. of
the art world. That does make him an
outlier, but still.
Ms. Gadsby, who has a
degree in art history,
recounted how Picasso
justified the relationship by
claiming that he and the girl,
Marie-Thérèse Walter, were
both in their prime.
Let’s break this down, piece by piece.
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First, Ms Gadsby has a degree in art
history! Sacre bleu! And that qualifies
her to criticize Picasso! That’s like
saying some Poli Sci major who works
as a theater usher is qualified to
gainsay Thomas Jefferson!
Now in fairness to Ms Gadsby, I do
think that teenage pussy can be overrated. I think women really blossom at
around 20. Maybe 19. But 17? Nah.
They just have more “potential” at
that age because their rendezvous
with the WallSPLAT! is a couple years
further into the future.
Seething, Ms. Gadsby said: “A
17-year-old girl is never in her
prime. Ever! I am in my
prime.” She is 40.
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Let’s watch the replay….
Ms. Gadsby: [Seething]... “A 17-yearold girl is never in her prime. Ever! I
am in my prime.” She is 40.
TRP: Good. Let the Hate flow through
you!
Cut away to the Hamster, dying on its
wheel
The researchers determined
that while men’s sexual
desirability peaks at age 50,
women’s starts high at 18 and
falls from there. In other
words, not so far from the
ages of Walter and Picasso.
Bloopers: “IT’S SUNRISE!!! WHERE’S
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“The age gradient for women
definitely surprised us — both
in terms of the fact that it
steadily declined from the
time women were 18 to the
time they were 65, and also
how steep it was,” said
Elizabeth Bruch, an associate
professor of sociology at the
University of Michigan and an
author of the study.
OF course it “surprised” the
researchers – the female ones, whose
gender blindness makes them think
that men value degrees and cellulite
over soft, supple, young flesh. Were
there any male researchers? They are
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either maginas, or didn’t want to wind
up as the punchline in a #MeToo story.
This study isn’t an anomaly.
No shit. Why would it be? In women
value fertility and youth (because it
implies fertility) and beauty (because
it implies genetic fitness to be the
vessel of the man’s seed.)The study
results echoed data shared by the
dating behemoth OkCupid in 2010, in
which the service found that men from
the ages of 22 to 30 focus almost
entirely on women who are younger
than them.
“The median 30-year-old man
spends as much time
messaging teenage girls as
he does women his own age,”
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OkCupid wrote in a blog post
at the time.
Bloopers: “SKREE! SKREE! SKREE!”
“The male fixation on youth
distorts the dating pool,”
OkCupid concluded.
No, the leftoid fixation on “Muh
Equalizmz!” attempts to distort nature.
Darwin never misses a tackle.
Michelle Drouin, a
developmental psychologist
who focuses on technology
and relationships, was not
surprised by the new study —
in part because they “align
with evolutionary theories of
mating” in which youth
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suggests fertility, she said.
Feminist Grinchellas: “HOW CAN THIS
BE SO?!”
Science Bish: “IT’S SCIENCE, BITCH!”
Dr. Drouin pointed out,
though, that there are also
theories that suggest that
“men are just less interested
in earning potential or power,
and more interested in
physical attractiveness.”
Did everyone see that bit of Hamster
Trickeration? Science Bish just said the
same thing in a different way, and
pretended that it was different.
Translation: “It’s not that men like
young hot women, it could also be that
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they like hot, young women.”
Women want brains. Men care
less.
Men don’t want brains because we
have brains. Women want brains
resources.
Speaking of earning potential,
Dr. Bruch also found that a
man’s desirability increased
the more education he
attained.
Female Hypergamy: Confirmed.
For women, that benefit
ended with an undergraduate
degree — and postgraduate
education, in fact, made them
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“That law degree looks so sexy on
you!” - Said no man, ever.
Why? Because those post-grad bitches
be OLDER. And they tend to run their
mouths a lot, and not in the fun way,
like if they wuz tawkin’ durty.
Dr. Drouin said that
educational dynamic might
also be related to “beliefs that
higher degrees among
women translate into more
work commitment and less
relationship and family
commitment.”
Science Bish: “Credentialed bitches be
uppity and bitchy n’shit. No man wants
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that, so they are less valued.”
People aim high (probably too
high).
Well, women, anyway.
“Little investment on the front
end might pay out big on the
back end — so why not opt for
a chance at the biggest win?”
“Bet small, win small. Bet big, win
big.”
-God Emperor Trump to thenPenthouse Pet Sandy Korn, who he
had just nailed. But then again, the
internet can’t read chemistry.
“In the real world, the woman
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with a graduate degree who
knows your favorite Kerouac
passage, speaks a few
languages or discovers new
ways to cure disease might be
undeniably attractive,” she
said. “Think of Amal Clooney.”
Riiiiiight. That was a life preserver
tossed to the already-drowned
hamster. Remember how I said that
Picasso was an outlier? Guess what
Amal Clooney is….
Fun Facts:
A. SCIENCE! motherfuckers….
B. Men age like wine. Women age like
milk.
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D. Men prefer younger, hotter, tighter
babes; Hamsters rage
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The Before Time…A
TRP “Origin” Story
by VasiliyZaitzev | 5 February, 2017 |
Link
The Before Time…A TRP “Origin” Story
So this started out as a reply I did on
AskTRP. A couple of guys asked me to
finish it, and after a while, I felt like I
owed it to the story. If it’s not your
thing, there are other threads.
+++++++++
Gather around the fire, children, and
Uncle Vasya will tell you a story from
the "Before Time", because Uncle
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Vasya's long memory goes back that
far. He will tell you of the Great War
between the Pretties and the Fuglies.
..........
At an early age, the Fuglies noticed
that the boys liked the Pretties, and
did not like the Fuglies at all, unless
they boys were Very Drunk, and there
were no Pretties nearby, and the boys
had, perhaps been on NoFap, or had
not yet been instructed by the Fathers
in the Mystical Art of Talking To Girls.
The Pretties, who liked the attention
from the boys, knew this also, and
they tormented the Fuglies, "You are
fat and gross, the Boys will never like
you and you will never have a warm,
safe home with a happy man and little
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kinders! You will only have cat-children
and you will die alone in the middle of
your cat colonies! Ha, ha, ha, ha-ha!"
And the Fuglies said, "Oh, yeah?"
mostly because, deep down in their
fugly little hearts they knew it was
true. "Yeah!" said the Pretties, then
then went back to feeding grapes to
the boys and telling them, "Here, feel
my booty. I've been working on my
glutes and staying away from
processed foods." And the Pretties
thrust their booties at the boys.
And the boys and the Pretties were
happy. The Fuglies were not. They
went home and cried fugly little tears
in their fugly little pillows. When their
fathers tried to comfort them the
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Fuglies screamed, "GET OUT OF HERE,
YOU CIS-GENDERED PATRIARCHAL
SCUM!!" The fathers didn't know what
that meant, but they knew they'd been
given an out and so they looked at
their wives and said, "This is one for
you to handle", and then cracked open
a cold one and went back to watching
the game between the New England
Lovers of Country, and the Los Angeles
Rutting Male Sheep.
So later that week, one of the Fuglies,
who looked a lot like Hillary Clinton,
called a meeting of all the other
Fuglies, with no Pretties invited. She
told the Fuglies that she had asked the
Wisest Creature in the Forest,
Grandmother Toad--who looked a lot
like Andrea Dworkin; the Fuglies all
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shuddered at that because even they
thought Andrew Dworkin was a total
hag--what to do. "Grandmother Toad
told me that, deep in the forest, there
lives an evil witch who can help us. So
we should go and see her!"
And so the Fuglies did. The walked and
they walked deep into the forest, until
they were all hungry, and sweaty and
complaining, and their feet hurt even
though they were wearing
Comfortable Shoes, and they were out
of breath, even though it was only
about 300 yards. They came up on a
split level ranch. There was a woman
living there who looked a lot like Betty
Friedan. "Are you the witch of the
forest?" asked the Fuglies. "Yes," said
the Betty Friedan-looking woman,
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"Come in and have some cake." The
Fuglies came in and saw there were
two other women there. One who
looked like Grandmother Toad and
another who looked like Gloria
Steinem. There were some noises
coming from the kitchen.
The Fuglies poured out their hearts to
the Betty Friedan-looking woman and
the others, "The boys don't like us!
The boys only like the Pretties, unless
they are really drunk, on NoFap and
there are no Pretties near! Help us!"
"There, there," Betty Friedan-looking
woman said, as she offered them cake
and tea.
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looking woman looked a bit sad and
said, "It is in the Boys' nature to like
the Pretties. It is part of their Source
Code, from the time that the All-Father
first breathed life into them. Not even
my Deep Magic can change that!"
Grandmother Toad--who the Fuglies
realized actually was Andrea Dworkin-looked disgusted. The Gloria Steinemlooking woman looked wistful, and
then a woman who looked a lot like
Valerie Solanas came in carrying a
platter. "I just finished cutting up some
sausages! Does anyone want any!"
"Finally! You have returned!" said the
Betty Friedan-looking woman. "Now
we can play bridge!"
And the Fuglies were sad. The wise old
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witch had told them that the boys
would never like them as much as the
Pretties. The Fuglies all began to
wonder if they would wind up killing
themselves, just like Sylvia Plath. Oh,
it was so poetic!
"There is one thing", said the Betty
Friedan-looking woman. "It doesn't
help with the boys, but you can use it
as a weapon against the Pretties."
The Fuglies' eyes brightened! Hurting
the Pretties was almost as good as the
boys liking them! "What is it?!" The
Betty Friedan-looking woman took
down a dust-covered jar from a shelf.
"It's called 'Feminism'", she said, as
she cracked open the jar.
"By The Goddess! What's that AWFUL
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SMELL?" cried the Fuglies. The Betty
Friedan-looking woman tapped the jar,
"I told you. It's Feminism. 3rd Wave.
Extra stinky, and without any reason
whatsoever. It won't hurt you, but it
will destroy the Pretties."
"WANT!", cried the Fuglies, "WANT!
WANT! WANT! WAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!"
"It does have one side effect, though",
said the Betty Friedan-looking woman.
"What?", cried the Fuglies.
"It will give you an unnatural affection
for cats," said the Betty Friedanlooking woman.
"DONE DEAL!" cried the Fuglies.
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So the Fuglies took the jar of Feminism
back home, and the slipped it into the
Pretties yogurt when they weren't
looking, and what happened next
became known as the Great Miasma
(although for some reason the Fuglies
called it the "Third Wave").
It had the most wicked effect. The sun
turned gray and the sky became dark.
All of the flavor went of everyone's
coffee and, worst of all, the Pretties
began to act like Fuglies! "Come," said
the boys to the Pretties, "Feed us
grapes and let us feel your glutes."
"No!", cried the Pretties! "Stop
objectifying us you misogynist
bastards!" And the Pretties went away,
and changed their booty shorts for
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business suits, some with large
shoulder pads. The boys were sad and
the Fuglies were filled with glee, on
their way to the shelter, because three
cats weren't enough, right?
Worse, for the boys, about half of their
mums were affected, and sent their
fathers away using a legal weapon
called "divorce". They didn't
understand it, but they were sad
without their fathers. Even worse still,
there was no one to teach the boys to
become Men.
And so it went. Most of the Pretties
forsook men and worked in stupid,
pointless HR jobs. Some of them still
liked men, even older men, but most
of them talked of "finding themselves".
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Many of the boys grew depressed and
fat. They subsisted on something
called "Cheetos" and withdrew into
caves and became hermits, seeking
answers in electronic temples called
"Stations" or "Playstations" or
something. Others, called "Fappers",
claimed that they had found hot,
slender Pretties who were DTF.
"WHERE?!" cried the other boys. "You
know," said the Fappers, "On the
internet." And the other boys were
dejected and sad.
The poison that had worked on the
Pretties wore off after about ten or 15
years, and the Pretties then realized
how stupid they had been and then
they went to the boys, but the boys
said, "We don't want you, now. You are
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no longer Pretties." And the Fuglies
gave the younger Pretties poison each
year, and so the Great Wasting
continued. And the Fuglies were
happy. They had won! They didn't
have the boys but neither did the
Pretties, except the ones who weren't
affected or those who became
something called "Cougars". The
Fuglies celebrated by each getting a
4th and 5th cat from the shelter!
And the land was poisoned. The Boys
were unhappy, the Pretties had lost all
reason and sense, and the fuglies
were each up to their 9th cat.
Until one day, the boys heard the
sound of a conch, and they gathered
at Castle Rock. They had never
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gathered there before, but it seemed
right. The boy who had sounded the
conch spoke: "Men," he said. The boys
liked that. They had never been called
that before. They knew that the
Fathers had been Men, before they
had been driven out.
"Men," said the man who had sounded
the conch. "As you may have realized,
a Great Pestilence has come upon us.
The sun is gray, the sky is dark and
the land is poisoned. All the taste has
gone out of our coffee. Worse, the
Pretties don't wear booty shorts
anymore, or let us feel their glutes."
The boys grunted in agreement. "You
may also have noticed," said the man,
"that some of the Pretties are
unaffected, but they seem only to be
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interested in men named 'Chad', and
sometimes older men also." The boys
again agreed.
"So I went to see Uncle Vasya,
because he is old and wise, and he
always seems to have extra Pretties
near him. We sat by his fire and he
talked of “Abundance” and “Outcome
Independence” and “DGAF” and killing
of “Approach Anxiety” and how
“Women are a lagging indicator” and
such. And then the fire grew low, and
he rubbed his chin whiskers and then
he told me a story from the Before
Time. It had legends about meals that
were ‘home-cooked’…” The boys
gasped at that. Did not such things
exist only in legends? ”…and how the
Pretties would wear such things as
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‘thongs’ that showed off their
magnificent glutes, and were
interested in pleasing men and not
wasting the flower of their youth as
drones in cold, sterile cube farms. I
didn’t believe him, until a Tier 1 Pretty
that I’d never seen before walked in
carrying a platter with grapes on it. My
eyes bugged out because she was
wearing a thong and
Her.Glutes.Were.MAGNIFICENT!”
The boys sighed at this.
The Tier 1 Pretty said to him, “Shall I
fetch Holly yet? Or do you need more
time?”
“Uncle Vasya looked at me, smiled and
said, ‘Too bad you can’t stay!’ and
then he told me to go see the All
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Father. I asked if he would show me
the way. He looked at me sternly, held
up his index finger and said, ‘No. Each
boy must travel his own journey if he
will become a man! So I traveled for
many days over hills and valleys,
swam rivers and streams and climbed
up to the mountain top where the All
Father's castle stood.”
The man told of standing at the gate
of the All-Father’s castle. The doors
opened, but no one was there. He
went into the Great Hall. It was empty
of people, except for an old man
dozing on the throne. As he
approached, the man’s eyes flashed
open and he leaped to his feet! The
‘old man’ was thickly muscled and
stood nearly 2.5 meters tall! “WHO
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DISTURBS THE ALL-FATHER’S
SLUMBER?!” he bellowed.
“I seek your guidance, great AllFather! The Fuglies have poisoned the
Pretties against us!”
The All-Father glared down at the boy,
as only the All-Father can do. He
pondered for a moment and then he
said to the boy, “Dude. Do you even
Sidebar? You look awful. Very pasty
and weak. Are there not Temples of
Iron? Feel you no Fire in your Blood?”
The All-Father’s look softened. ”Come,
lad…let me tell you of the ‘Before’
Time, before the poison of the witch’s
magic descended upon the Land, and
what to do now…here, let me show
you how to do ‘preacher curls’….”
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So the boy with the conch, the Man
with the conch said next, ”So I
learned from the All-Father. And I
say to you now, ‘Rejoice my
brothers, that you were born
male, and thus given the choice to
be MEN--to dare great things, to
achieve great things, to create, to
invent, to think, to reason, to
sing, to shout in joy and passion,
to love and be loved. We must Lift
and build and sing as we work.
And hold up our achievements as
beacons, so those women who are
not poisoned can find us. And at
night to sit by the fire and enjoy
the Juice of Life with our friends,
and the pleasures of our women.’”
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The fire had again died down. The
boys were silent. Uncle Vasya, who
had arrived during the telling of the
story, rubbed his chin whiskers. ”You
know,” he said, after a long while,
”The Fuglies have been poisoned,
also.” The boys looked confused by all
this. ”They have been poisoned by
envy. It is the 3rd Most Powerful Force
in the Universe. The first is
‘Unconditional Love’, but that one
exists only in theory, although I think I
have seen it in faithful pets, and the
2nd is ‘Stupid People in Large Groups’.
The Fuglies are bitter because they
are not Pretties, and their bile and
Envy hollows them out from the inside.
They cry at night because they have
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only cat children. But do not pity them.
They chose their ways. And so now,
dear lads, you must Walk the Path of
War. A noble God Emperor rises in the
West. Here is what you must do….”
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Things My Father
Taught Me: Advice for
guys raised by single
moms
by VasiliyZaitzev | 7 June, 2017 | Link
So in various conversations on TRP,
guys raised by single mom's have
mentioned that they'd like a list of
lessons that father's teach. Here are a
dozen that I put down on paper (or
electrons) some from my dad, some
from other dads, etc.
Best of luck to everyone.
Believe in Yourself. In order to reach
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your goals, you have to believe you
can accomplish them. Don’t worry,
there will be plenty of people around
to tell you that you can’t do
something. Those people are talking
based on their own limitations, not
yours.
Take risks. It’s ok to make mistakes.
Learning from mistakes is important.
Push yourself. Dare to do great things.
And if you fail, get up, dust yourself
off, and get back at it. Don’t play it
safe all the time. Columbus wouldn’t
have found America if he never left
the harbor.
Face your problems. Call them by
their names. Learn to solve them
yourself. That’s what brave people do.
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Life is tough. You are going to be
knocked down more times than you
can count. It’s not the number of times
you get knocked down that matters.
What matters is that you get back up,
and keep fighting for what you believe
in.
Work Hard. Work hard, and rest
afterwards. Be responsible. If you do a
half-assed job of something, expect to
get called out for it. A lot of people
miss out on opportunity because when
opportunity knocks on your door, very
often it’s dressed in overalls and looks
like “Work”.
Always get the other guy’s side of
things. There are two sides to every
story, and while those sides can be
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“Right” and “Wrong” that’s not often
completely the case. When you’re
wrong, admit it. If you owe someone
an apology, make it and mean it.
Make Your Own Decisions. Just
because someone is more educated
than you are, doesn’t mean they know
what’s best for you. If you make
mistakes, let them be YOUR OWN
mistakes, not someone else’s.
Loyalty is Not a Character Flaw.
People remember who was still their
friend when things got rough. Hold on
to those people, and shred the
assholes.
Keep your word. Once you break it,
it’s broken forever. The day will come
when you need the benefit of the
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doubt, and if you have a strong
reputation for honesty and integrity,
you will get it.
Respect is earned. It’s earned
through keeping your word, and doing
what you said you’d do. You can’t buy
character, and money is a shit way to
keep score.
Don’t Quit. Winners win; losers
whine.
Never Put That First Cigarette in
your mouth Then you will never have
a problem.
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The Anna Karenina
Principle and the
Problem of Bad
Relationships
by VasiliyZaitzev | 16 January, 2018 |
Link
”Happy families are all alike; every
unhappy family is unhappy in its own
way.” -Leo Tolstoy, “Anna Karenina”,
Ch.1, p.1
Tolstoy’s meaning here is that
happiness requires a number of
factors, each one of which must be
present for happiness to follow. Each is
a necessary condition. If one is not
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present, then the result is failure of
the underlying system.
The classic example of the “Anna
Karenina” principle is zebras. When
Europeans first brought horses to
Africa, they had a hard time surviving
because of disease, the harsh
environment, abundance of predators,
etc. There did, however, seem to be a
local option. Zebras could provide a
serviceable substitute for horses, had
immunities against local disease, and
were accustomed to avoiding
predation by lions. This made them
the perfect substitute for horses.
Except….
Except that zebras are impossible to
tame on the broad scale. They have
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independent and nasty-ass
personalities. They sometimes attack
humans. It’s a problem. So they were
the perfect solution, except for the one
thing that ruled them out. That ‘one
thing’ is fatal.
People, unless they are severely
broken, generally don’t stay in awful
relationships, where things are bad all
the time, unless they are somehow
defective people, but they do stay in
bad ones. They cling to them, in fact.
How do you tell you are in a bad
relationship?
ECs and experienced guys can pretty
much look at the questions posed in
the titles of posts in askTRP and 95%
of the time know the answer before we
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click through. Yes, you should dump
your drug-addled girlfriend, no matter
how good she sucks dick. Yes, if she’s
cheated on your 45 times, there WILL
be a 46th. Yes, trickle truth is a real
thing.
Why do guys have to be told this?
Because they guys want the easy path
to pussy. Dumping the bitchy or
otherwise defective girlfriend – but
who puts out – creates the problem of
“no pussy”. No guy wants to watch
ONE WOMAN walk out the door with
100% of his pussy supply, because
that means that they would have to go
out, compete again with other guys,
work through approaches, rejections,
etc., until they find another girlfriend.
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Guys stay in bad relationships
because of lack of abundance
mentality + thirst + competing is
tough – especially that last one.
That's why you see married guys who
let themselves go. They're married so
they think they've "won", and they
don't have to compete anymore. So
they anesthetize themselves with
sportsball, beer & chicken wings and
blimp out, while their wives either
never lose the "baby weight" or simply
pork out on their own, and pretty soon
they both hate each other and want to
die.
There are Two Primary Solutions
to the Anna Karenina Problem
No. 1 You find the “Fuck, YEAH!” girl.
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The "Fuck Yeah!" girl, when you
suggest going out says, "Fuck Yeah!
We are going out," or "Fuck Yeah! We
ARE going to 'Netflix and chill'," or
"Fuck Yeah! I AM going to suck your
dick!" This lasts as long as it lasts,
which won't be forever, so enjoy it
while it does.
No. 2 You maintain sexual
relationships with multiple women. 4-5
feels about right to me. For some guys
it’s 2. For other guys it’s 6. Whatever,
the point is, you aren’t going to put up
with psychotic bullshit because you
need sex, when you are getting sex on
the regular from 4 other girls. One girl
is acting up? You got other options.
You withdraw attention, and go bang
another plate, or go game other
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women. Generally, this is the more
optimal solution.
In conclusion:
A. Make yourself exceptional in one or
more ways. Women are a lagging
indicator of success – If you build
it, they will come.
B. Keep gaming women: Always be
closing.
C. Once you achieve abundance, you
will never again have to suffer the
nagging, soul-crushing agony of
putting up with some bitch who is just
in it to create as much drama as
possible and to kill your dreams,
because it will be easy for you to walk
away, and The Power To Walk Away is
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one of your greatest strengths. Do
NOT stay in a bad relationship just
because you're getting laid. Chances
are, you will keep banging the chick
for a while after the break-up, because
to her, you're a known quantity and
she can fuck you for 7 more years and
you don't raise her N-count.
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On Hating Women,
Especially For Guys in
the “Anger” Phase
by VasiliyZaitzev | 18 February, 2019 |
Link
So, TRP and RP men catch a lot of shit
for apparently “hating” women. I
don't hate women and I don't
think anyone should. Maybe some
of us do, but in general, there is no
reason to hate women as a group.
They are not inherently evil, although
some constituent members are, same
as with men.
I rather enjoy the company of women,
the value that they bring to my life,
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and of course, they can be a
tremendous aid in relaxation.
What men in the Anger Phase hate is
not women, although women are often
the focal point, but the fact that they
have been lied to all of their lives
about how to be successful with
women. The Great Bluepill Lie is that if
you do what you’re told, and take
what you’re given, everything will be
ok, and we’re all going to make it,
blah, blah, blah.
Except that’s not how life works, and
doing “movie shit” like showing up
outside of someone’s house, and
putting a boombox over your head
blaring “In Your Eyes” is more likely to
end in a restraining order than her
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falling into your arms.
Oh, and women actually loathe Billy
Betas and White Knights. But the
Great Bluepill Lie is propagated
because the folks in charge only want
betas who are just smart enough to
run the machines and who otherwise
will shut up, not ask too many
questions, and be happy with their lot.
Do you understand that yet? Good,
now you’re a Thought Criminal like
your Wise Old Uncle Vasya. Why do
your eyes hurt? Because you haven’t
used them before.
In life, you’re only going to make it if
you make it work yourself. That’s why
we tell you to lift, and why I wrote
“Become the Prize.”
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So for guys who are still angry, realize
that, as much as you have been lied
to, women have as well – 2nd Wave
Feminist Betty Friedan described both
men and women as “co-victims” of the
same oppressive system. So women
are taught that they can drink like
men, fuck around like men, work like
men, and so on, swing from the
chandelier, etc., and then wake up at
31, meet the man of their dreams and
get pregnant easily and with no
complications and live a bi-coastal
lifestyle etc. Oh, and I left out one of
my faves: that even the most slender,
petite woman is somehow a match for
Arnold Schwarzenegger in fight…which
lasts right up until there’s a fight. But
hey, “GIRLS RULE!” etc. Y’know, at
least until they hear the conductor yell
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”WALL STATION! EVERYONE OFF!”
There’s This One Bitch
So what to do? Well, recognize that
being angry isn’t a positive emotion,
even if “There’s that one bitch” –
which is typically how guys find their
way here, as result of a bad breakup –
who broke your heart, fucked your
best friend and his dad, etc. Being
angry is as useless as arguing with
women. It’s pointless and gets you
nowhere, even MGTOWs. Forget her,
and move on. You have so many
better things to do with your time and
energy. The sooner you are over it, the
better. Do whatever you have to do to
purge yourself of the rage – um, no
killing anyone, though – do Monk Mode
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Moving forward, do not rage that the
world is how it is, understand how it is
and act accordingly. How so?
Well for guys who want to get laid, and
to otherwise enjoy good relationships
with women, lift, develop your game,
learn DGAF, defeat approach
anxiety - because faint heart never
fucked fair lady, and maintain
abundance. Understand your quarry.
Women want LEADERS not losers. So
become exceptional at something, or a
couple of somethings. Learn to
compete. Have “backbone” while les
soi boys have “wishbone.” Don’t let
the bullshit get you down. Women are
a lagging indicator: If you build it,
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Sharpen your sword, whistle a happy
tune and be thankful you were born
male. Ours is the struggle of our own
creation. Great is the burden, but
great are the rewards. Time to put
down the anger, and get started on
your own Hero's Journey. You will
find that you had it in you the whole
time.
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The Approved
Narrative: Why Dissent
Must Be Crushed
by VasiliyZaitzev | 25 April, 2019 | Link
There is an Approved Narrative. The
theme "Yay, Vagina! BOOOOO! Penis!"
"Girls RULE, Boys Drool!" "Women can
be fit at any weight! Sexy at any age!"
The usual "Women are Wonderful!"
stuff.
The Approved Narrative is evidently so
fragile that anything that might
undermine the Approved Narrative
must be removed, dissent must be
crushed.
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Because the fact is that women are
just our guests here. If men all
stopped doing what we do, every day,
Civilization would last until the first oil
change. It would actually take about
15-30 minutes for things to start going
wrong, world wide. Power plants would
shut down, or melt down, anything
requiring monitoring would go unmonitored, and so on and so forth.
They are the Eloi, and we are the
Morlocks. There is nothing more
privileged than a white, Western
woman.
I don't say this because I hate women.
In fact, I wrote a top-level post that I
don't hate women, and I don't
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think anyone should I am rather
fond of feminine women who can keep
their figures and show proper
deference, but, at the same time, their
primary value is the production and
care of the next generation of men.
After that, what? Some light
housework and cooking, sexual
gratification, other, similar tasks and
ornamentation. Maybe some skilled
work, like nursing, but everything else
we can provide on our own. As Judgy
Bitch (PBUH) once wrote, "If men
wanted us chained up in basements,
we'd be chained up in basements."
And it is because men have this power
that the radfems rail and screech at
us, and demand that we be silenced,
fired from our jobs, ostracized, our
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wives/girlfriends raped, our kids
brainwashed, etc. Don't believe me?
Ask James Damore. Ask Tim Hunt. He
is a Nobel Prize winner, but he's also a
codgy old guy who made some
(admittedly) cringy comments. Doesn't
matter, he must be guillotined as if he
were Harvey Weingrabber.1 Ask the
Duke Lacrosse team or the UVA
fraternity. Ask the guys expelled
during the current campus rape "moral
panic". No "1 in 5" women aren't raped
on campus, because if they were,
parents Would Not Fucking ALLOW
Their Daughters to go to university. All
the better to avoid the roving "rape
vans". "1 in 5" is true - in the Congo.
Where they are having a civil war,
evidently. Co-eds are more like 1 in
500 and they are safer than the
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female population, generally.
And thank God my "bro of color" saw
that Gillette ad and kept me from
chatting up that girl. Even though she
was probably down. I might have
raped her.
And so it goes.
Now, in fairness, the GRRRRL POWER!
Princess-culture shit is an absolute
betrayal for women who only learn too
late that their value was their youth
and fertility. A woman I know
sometimes talks of how she wants a
"winter wedding."
It would, of course, be her first
marriage.
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She is 53 years old. She is a walking
egg cemetery.
When she was younger, she was
attractive in a preppy athletic way,
man-friendly, good sense of humor. I
don't know how she managed to fuck
that up, but she did. Now there is
nothing to be done. The WallSPLAT! is
Undefeated.
Meanwhile the Cultural Marxists, who
have rotted out much of what is good
in society, need you to be isolated,
ignorant and enslaved. They need
betas who are just smart enough to
run the machines and not ask too
many questions. To say the words "War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.
Freedom is Slavery. We have always
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been at war with East Asia."
The LIES never stop. Google the "Dove
Real Beauty Campaign". Spoiler Alert:
It's a bunch of fatties in their
underwear. It is NOT pretty. Back in
the aughts, they tried to tell us that
men only preferred attractive women
because we were "socialized" to. Um,
how about 'No'?
So What To Do?
While there is nothing more common
that young, unaccomplished dick, the
fact remains that there is nothing
more valuable than a high value man.
There are women who will submit,
completely, to a HVM, domestically
and sexually, just to stay in his life. So
regardless of their Happy Talk, and
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"The Future is Female" nonsense,
there is nobody among us who should
not be grateful to have been born
male.
Your task is simple: Become the
Prize. You have one life. How will you
spend it?
Rise, and shake your chains away like
dew.
Rise, and make them feel the thunder
of your strength.
Rise, go forth, and conquer.
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Think HORIZONTALLY,
not VERTICALLY
by VasiliyZaitzev | 19 January, 2017 |
Link
Uncle Vasya here with your Thursday
reminder: Think HORIZONTALLY, not
VERTICALLY.
This is especially true for n00bs,
recovering ‘Nice Guys’, and guys
exiting Monk Mode.
You should be doing multiple
approaches and engaging multiple
women (i.e. thinking 'horizontally'). If a
girl is into you, great. If she’s not
responsive after a reasonable amount
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of time or interaction, then move on.
Any further investment is wasted. It
gets you nowhere and can create a
sense of “entitlement” that we
sometimes see among ‘Nice Guys’
who keep investing and investing and
investing in the same girl (i.e., thinking
'vertically') who “likes him as a friend”,
but nothing more. Eventually, he will
'win' the right to become her 'Orbiterin-Chief', which makes him the Mayor
of her "Friend Zone". If you start
getting that from girls then withdraw
your attention, and move on.
The problem we see with ‘Nice Guys’
is they build up some bluepill rom-com
fantasy in their heads and think that if
they Just Stick Around Long Enough,
and Put The Work In, eventually, the
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objects of their LURRRVE will each give
him that 10th Stamp on his ‘Nice Guy’
card and then, according to the Rules
of the Hottie Union, she will finally be
able to give him All The Sex He
Deserves!
Life doesn’t work that way.1 Whilst the
‘Nice Guy’ is busy with his ‘Boyfriend
Audition’, the chick is off fucking some
Outlaw Biker or Escaped Mental
Patient. The difference is that those
dudes made their intentions clear. If
you’re waiting for her to ‘realize’ that
the two of you are ‘perfect together’,
forget it.
Fun Fact: Faint Heart Never Fucked
Fair Lady
If you’re not getting “buy” signals or
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IOI’s or whatever, and those do not
lead to you closing the deal, i.e., PiV,
then it’s time to bail. And it doesn’t
matter “why”. If she gives you LJBF,
you already have enough friends. She
is really saying she wants you to orbit
her, validate her, pay her way, and
NOT have sex with her. Maybe she’s
involved with another dude. Fine,
there are lots of women who aren’t.
Maybe she wants to ride the Cock
Carousel for the next 10 years until
the journey ends and the announcer
bellows, “Wall Station! Everybody off!”
Hey, if she wants to train to be an
emotionally broken, future Cat
Colonist, that’s not your problem.
Mosey on down the road.
Bottom Line: A woman doesn't "owe
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you" her body, but you don't "owe her"
your time, attention or resources. If
you're not getting what you want it's
time to bail.
Now go forth and slay.
1
Well, it does, sometimes…15-20
years later. Once the chick has racked
up a heavy N-count on the CC and
needs a dad for her 4 kids by 3
different fathers, and her SMV has hit
the WallSPLAT! head-on. But I digress.
And you don’t want that shit, anyway.
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"Women are a Lagging
Indicator" or "If You
Build It, They Will
Come"
by VasiliyZaitzev | 6 February, 2017 |
Link
Women are a Lagging Indicator
So here’s the deal. Life is about The
Journey. You can go read about the
“Hero’s Journey” in Joseph Campbell’s
work, or in Michael Moorcock’s, or
even Mark Twain’s, like in
“Huckleberry Finn” where on their way
to freedom, Huck and Jim are really
already free.
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This is why TRP tells you to Lift. So you
can be in the best physical condition
FOR YOU. Because being a fat slob is
no fun, just ask any fat slob. It sux,
and, secondarily, it keeps you from
getting girls, too.
Look, I can tell you I’m a successful
guy, which I am, or that I bang 21-22
y.o. women, which I do. I can share all
the knowledge I have, and hope you
LURN from it. I’m not running a
religion and your faith is NOT required,
but if you only believe ONE THING I
ever say, believe this: If you don’t
have your health, you don’t have
SHIT.
So Lift, run, do yoga, swim (I
recommend this, because when you
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are old you can still swim), eat clean
do whatever the fuck you need to do
to be healthy. Because without it,
you’re nothing.
What is the best exercise for you to
do? The one you will do EVERY
FUCKING DAY. Ask Dmitri Young. He
was a professional athlete baseball
player. MoFo weighed 291
pounds...and it wasn't a good look. It
was also probably a lie. I'd say 325.
Either way, that dude was F-A-T, FAT.
He’s 205 now, and looks like he
should be in a Save the Children
commercial. Srsly, he looks like 50
Cent when he lost all that weight for
his role in Things Fall Apart. Google it.
It’s a fucked up look.
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So what about lagging indicators?
Women are a lagging indicator of
success. WHEN you are in shape,
WHEN you are successful, WHEN you
have made yourself excellent in one or
more ways, THEN the pussy will flow.
You think I would be sliding my 49 y.o.
cock in to 21 y.o. pussy if I was a fat
slob with no game and nothing going
on? Not.Gonna.Happen. Sure I look like
I’m made up out of spare dinosaur
parts, but I built my life, I put in my
time in the House of Iron, I became
Excellent At Something (a couple of
somethings) AND I have game. That’s
why you never see me here whining
about being a no-pussy-getting-MFer.
Instead I’m dealing out solid advice to
the young men. That shit doesn’t just
HAPPEN. S’allz I’m sayin’.
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Don't worry about women. Be the Best
Version of You that You Can Be. If You
Build It, They Will Come. And they will
keep coming.
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Five Minutes of Alpha
by VasiliyZaitzev | 2 February, 2020 |
Link
So many moons ago, Heartiste wrote
this piece: Five Minutes Of Alpha =
Fifty Years Of Pining, about some sad
sack beta who wifed up an Alpha
Widow and then literally became a
monk (Monk Mode, Level 99) after
they divorced.
Cue actress Rae Dawn Chong, who
was quite attractive back in the 80s although Lover's Vow kind of ruined it
for me - but who has been decimated
by age and The WallSPLAT! recently "let
slip" on a podcast that, back when she
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was younger, hotter, and tighter, she
gave her 15 year old vag to a then-33
y.o. Mick Jagger. Brown Sugar, dontcha
know. The age of consent in NY is 17,
but RDC defends Jagger on the basis
that it was a "different time" and, well,
she was DTF. "In {her} mind he was
the same age as me," - behold the
Power of the Hamster!
This happened in 1977 (she later
appeared in Jagger's 1985 video for his
song Just Another Night, probably
because that's what she wanted). Fast
forward oh FORTY-THREE FUCKING
YEARS and guess who, three
marriages and a grandchild or two
later, guess who is still talking about
her two day fling with Sir Mick?
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The female hindbrain is a powerful,
powerful monster.
EDIT: So I remembered that drugaddled actress MacKenzie Phillips had
similarly claimed to have been a
Jagger conquest, and went looking for
it.
Mackenzie: Papa’s pal Jagger bedded
me
{The "Papa" bit in the title refers to
the fact that her father was John
Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas}
“I’d known Mick since I was a kid, and
maybe most people think their
parents’ friends are old and gross. But
this was Mick Jagger. Mick Jagger! He
was hot. He had the most perfect ass
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.....
She says that sex with Mick Jagger is
still a fond memory. “I was proud of
my conquest,” she writes. “Or of
having been conquested.”
.....
Her father was also a shitty dad:
From Mackenzie’s earliest days, her
life was shaped by her dad’s selfabsorption, drug abuse and neglect.
When she was 10, her dad gave her
her first adult job. “Dad said, ‘I’m
going to give you a project,’ ” she
writes. “Dad had a job for me! This
was exciting. I was in. “I got really
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good at rolling joints. I was the official
joint roller for all the adults.”
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You Never Stop
Competing
by VasiliyZaitzev | 7 June, 2018 | Link
This is one lesson you MUST
understand to have the life that you
want: You never stop competing.
The day you stop competing is the day
that you might as well die. Guys who
get married, think they’ve “won”, get
sloppy, anesthetize themselves with
sportsball and beer to dull the pain of
their bleak existence, and then never
see the divorce rape coming? Yeah,
they stopped competing. Their best
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wife to fuck other guys and teach their
kids to hate them, and their worst
case is being the back half of a
murder-suicide.
The OGs of TRP don’t tell you to lift
because we want to be stuck behind
more skinny-fat guys down at the
gym, or to tell them to wipe down the
equipment and replace the weights,
etc. Lifting is the First Commandment
of TRP because the Body is the Temple
of the Mind, and in order to become
the Best Version of Yourself, you’re
going to have to do something with
your physical reality beside just exist
as a flabby bag of organ meat.
What next? While you are working on
not being a slob ‘wif no muscle tone,
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bruv', you also need to do some shit to
build your confidence. You need to
find something, or perhaps two
somethings, to become
exceptional at. Something where
you are the big baller and the shotcaller. What this is will depend on what
your skill sets are and what you like to
do. Now, if your purpose is just to get
laid you are doing it wrong. You should
be living your life FOR YOU. Women
should not be the primary focus, but
rather a happy addition: Women Are
a Lagging Indicator of Success. If
You Build It, They Will Come So
have a cool hobby or two, and also
add a couple of sports outside of lifting
to your overall program. I generally
recommend swimming because when
you get to be older, it will be much
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friendlier on your joints, etc. I also
suggest one team sport and one
individual sport, for development, i.e.,
learning teamwork and self-reliance. If
you are a young guy and you think you
might go into CorporateLand you
might want to think about golf
because a FUCK TON of deals get done
on the golf course. Tennis, too, for that
reason, but it’s less important.
Remember, TRP is about selfimprovement….so put together a plan
to improve yourself.
”Okay, okay, Uncle Vasya,” you say,
”but what about women?”
You also have to understand that
women (well some women) are not
cunty bitches who are put here to
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deny you the pleasure of their loins.
Be a low-investment guy until you
start getting buy signals. If a girl you
are chatting up wants to put you in the
Friend Zone, fine, simply withdraw
your attention from her and go chat
up other girls. The bluepills will bleat
about how “Women don’t owe you
sex!” Correct. They do not. But the flip
side is that you don’t owe women your
time, attention or resources, either.
Doubly so if she actually is a cunty
bitch. It’s not up to you to run
some sort of ‘outreach program’
for angry, bitter women.
There is no “One Special Girl”, so stop
believing in that bluepill ‘fairy tale”
bullshit. It's a numbers game, so
Think Horizontally, Not Vertically.
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Over the longer term, you need to
identify the pool of women who are
attracted to you, and select
dates/mates/plates from that pool. I
know that I’m going to do particularly
well with introverts, tall girls, and girls
who prefer older men, so I vet women
from those groups to find those I like.
Try out what works for you. If you put
in the work, you will optimize your
chances.
You wanna know what guys get laid
the most? The guys who get rejected
the most, because they're the guys
who approach the most. You are going
to have a better shot at the women
you want if are what? If you are the
best version of yourself that you can
be.
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So get thee to the House of Iron, and
whistle a happy tune on your way, and
be grateful that you were born male,
and learn to see the advantages, not
just the disadvantages. Be grateful
that your sexual success is not almost
entirely governed by your looks –
which are going to fade with age – and
that you can only get turned on when
someone treats you like shit.
The Takeaways:
-You Never Stop Competing
-Be the Best Version of You that You
Can Be
-Find One or Two Things to be
Exceptional At.
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-Live for YOU; Women should not be
the primary focus, but rather a happy
addition to your life.
-Be Low Investment, Until You Get
“Buy” Signals.
-If a girl isn’t into you, or friendzones
you, or is a cunty bitch, Withdraw Your
Attention From Her.
-Reward good behavior, punish bad
behavior (withdrawal of attention,
DREAD.)
-Identify the pool of girls you like and
do well with and draw
dates/mates/plates from that pool.
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Become the Prize
by VasiliyZaitzev | 12 February, 2019 |
Link
So we often advise young TRPers to
“Remember, YOU are the PRIZE.” But
what does that mean? As younger
men navigate the SMP, mostly by trial
and error, and asking about “What
does it mean when she says
[whatever]?”, they tend to think
tactically. But really, we want you to
think strategically.
There’s a reason we tell you to read
the sidebar.
There’s a reason we tell you to lift.
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There’s a reason we tell you to eat
clean.
But really, we should be framing it as
“Become the PRIZE.” Because by
becoming the prize, you will have
increased options in life, better
choices, more freedom, younger,
hotter, tighter women.
Being average is pretty mediocre
existence. Do you want a shitty
commute to a job you hate that you
can’t leave because you’re living
paycheck to paycheck? Yeah, didn’t
think so. You’re not here because you
want to be mediocre. You’re here to
become the best version of yourself
you can be. Read on.
Goal #1: Become fit. If you don’t
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have your health, then you don’t have
shit. A lot of guys in my age category
(50+) walk around all day complaining
about not feeling good, or this hurts or
that hurts and so on. I don’t. Why?
Because I work at it. I’m never going
to be the stud athlete I was in may
late teens and early 20s ever again. In
fact, on my best days I will be pretty
rough-looking, with a slight tilt towards
“ugly” – I sometimes joke that I look
like I’m made up out of spare dinosaur
parts. But I will feel good, walking
around, and my health will be rocksolid. Often, women don’t care if
you’re a bit rough, so long as you’re
not a fat slob. If you’re broke or can’t
get to a gym or whatever, fine. Google
“body weight exercises” and go
outside and walk.
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Goal #2: Gain Confidence. How do
you become more confident? You work
and become excellent at something, or
a couple of somethings. My former
OLTR2 was a Hard 9 who, when I told
her I write and perform original music
and front my own band, said, point
blank, “I’m going to have to reevaluate how cool you are.” Maybe
your talent isn’t music, but it’s
something else. Find it, and develop it.
Maybe it’s rock climbing. Maybe it’s
martial arts – and I highly recommend
that you take up at least one martial
art. Outside of music, I also play co-rec
beach volleyball in the summer. I’m
good at it, it helps keep me fit and
puts me around young, fit women.
With confidence comes Frame. Women
want Leaders not losers.
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Goal #3: Work On Your Game. I’ve
written about Approach Anxiety and
Abundance Mentality and operating at
Level 99 DGAF. Guys find them useful,
but really you have to Get Out And Do
Things Yourself. Go approach 100
women. By the time you get to 50, you
won’t give a shit how hot they are, and
by the time you get to 100, you’re
going to be thinking “What’s the most
fucked up thing I can say to her and
still pull?”
Goal #4: Expand Your Horizons.
Learn an instrument. Learn another
language. Travel. Meet exciting new
people, and have sex with them. Think
things over. Not just the “what” but
the “why”. Travel improves both the
mind and the soul, and teach
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independence and self-reliance.
Goal #5: Understand The Matrix.
Once you can see the Matrix,
everything becomes clear. The ECs
can look at the title of a post in AskTRP
and 95% know the answer to the
question before clicking on it. “Lack of
Abundance.” “Oneitis”. “Unicorn.”
Really, this shit gets easy, once you
master it.
Conclusions
-Build your body. Become the best
version of “you” that you can be.
-Build your mind. Develop your Frame.
-Confidence slays the ladies. Women
want Leaders not losers.
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-Master your life. Become the Prize.
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Approach Anxiety:
Faint Heart Never
Fucked Fair Lady
by VasiliyZaitzev | 4 February, 2017 |
Link
So you see a girl you want to bang.
What do you do? Think ”There’s a girl
who wants to meet me,” and
Confidently walk over and introduce
yourself? Or make up excuses, pussy
out, and then tell yourself that “The
Moment Wasn’t Right”. Because
Confidence gets her number, and ‘The
Moment Wasn’t Right’ rides the bus
home and jacks off.
Faint Heart Never Fucked Fair
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-From “The Sayings of Chairman
Zaitzev”
What happens if she tells you she has
a boyfriend? What happens if she
yells, “NO!” at you? What happens if
she’s bitchy after a bad day?
Nothing. That’s what happens.
Nothing. And that’s not even the worst
thing that can happen.
If she rejects you, simply say “Ok” and
move on. If she’s really obnoxious it’s
ok to say, ”I apologize; I mistook you
for a lady,” and turn on your heel and
withdraw. It will leave her sputtering.
But only do this if she has it coming.
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Women expect to be approached.
They hope for it. Maybe not by you,
but, yes, maybe by you. There is only
one way to find out. Societal
expectations are actually on your side
in this. Why don’t you? Because you
are AFRAID? Afraid of what? Some
half-naked creature that’s half your
size? Approach, chat her up, and be
clear about your intentions. If she
wants to be your friend, that’s fine, but
it’s a rejection, so move on. You were
fine before, and you will be fine after.
Don’t worry about it.
So what is the worst thing that can
happen?
”Hope is a Powerful Drug.”
-From “The Sayings of Chairman
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The worst thing that can happen is
that you do not make your move, and
become her “gay bff”, only you’re not
gay. You want to bang, but she has ‘no
idea’. Probably she has some idea, but
some women don’t. You say nothing,
but you are definitely doing the
‘boyfriend audition’ in the HOPE that
she somehow Figures.It.Out. That
someday, after fucking her way
through every thug, barfly, every
Outlaw Biker and Escaped Mental
Patient, after you’ve picked up the
shattered pieces of her heart and,
tenderly, put them back together for
her, that she will finally “realize” how
“right” the two of you are together.
And then, all those nights of being her
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emotional tampon, the times you took
her to the VD clinic for chlamydia and
gonorrhea, the times you canceled on
your buds because “she needed you”
will finally be worth it. Or not.
You see, the worst thing that can
happen to you is this: You become a
“Nice Guy”. What, you think she’s
going to say, Pull out your ‘Nice Guy’
Card! Today you have EARNED that
10th stamp and I’m FINALLY going to
be able to give you All The Sex You
Deserve!”
Not gonna happen. And even if it did,
if you had even a shred of self-respect,
you wouldn’t want it by then.
Look. If you want to get ripped, you
have to Lift. If you want to learn guitar,
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you have to practice every day. If you
want to get good at approaching
women without fear, you have to
approach women. And sometimes you
will fail. And sometimes they will be
polite, and sometimes they will be
spoiled, entitled little bitches. And
something else will happen: you will
get numbers.
Now go forth and slay!
TL;DR: Faint Heart Never Fucked
Fair Lady
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Abundance Mentality Why It's Good For You.
by VasiliyZaitzev | 5 February, 2017 |
Link
So a recurring problem I see over at
AskTRP involve a problem with a One
Special GirlTM who is ‘way specialer’
than any other girl could possibly be!
It’s like she’s the Last Girl You Will
Ever Talk To.
Wrong.
Here’s what’s going on. You know who
she is, and you already have an in with
her, maybe you’re fucking her already,
or you were fucking her. Starting over
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is difficult. Approaching other women –
women who can NEVER be ‘Specialer’
than her – is difficult. It requires
starting from zero with another girl,
and that requires ‘work’. Work is
Difficult.1 We don’t like ‘work’…until
we see it as the pathway to selfimprovement and a better life.
I also get the sense that a lot of TRP
guys actually have a bit of blue still in
them, and they think about getting
married and having a cozy little house
with a patch of grass somewhere, with
a picket fence around it, a tire swing
and a screen door on the kitchen…an
apple pie sitting on a window sill,
cooling in the afternoon breeze.
Snap the fuck out of it. I get it, even I
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wish it was true, but that shit only
happens in lemonade commercials
or if you’re Mormon.2
The problem is, for men, more is
better. If you commit to one woman,
then you risk ONE WOMAN decide if
you are having sex on any given night
and ONE WOMAN can walk out the
door with 100% of your pussy supply.
That makes guys crazy and more
willing to put up with ONE WOMAN’S
crap, and leads to unhappiness and, in
extreme cases, being the back half of
a murder-suicide.
This is why we discuss “Plates” or
multiple FWBs” or “open LTRs”. With
Abundance, stress for men goes way
down, and we can behave more
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naturally (for us). If a woman starts
acting up and being a pain in the ass,
with Abundance, you do what you
should do and kick her to the curb. For
example, once upon a time, one of my
OLTRs is being a pain in the ass. So I
dumped her, which she never saw
coming, because, as she said, “Guys
don’t dump me!” For me, it was an
easy choice, because, because I had
another primary who had sex with me
whenever I wanted, and didn’t give me
any trouble, plus a couple of other side
pieces, as well. And guess who is
knocked herself out, trying to fuck her
way back into my good graces?
Exactly. And that was fun, for a while,
and when it wasn't I kicked her to the
curb. Again.3
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So the reality is that Abundance is
good for your outlook on life and your
mental health as well. No stress. And a
Man With Options is a Man Who
Cannot Be Fucked With. Once you
master Abundance Mentality, your
Approach Anxiety will vanish, and with
that, Abundance become much easier,
both in relation to each other.
Now go forth and Slay.
1
This is, incidentally, why so many
people pass on “Opportunity”.
Because when Opportunity knocks,
most often it is dressed in overalls and
looks like ‘Work.’
2
For the Autists and the AWALT dudes:
AWALT. I’m just joking around.
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And an Alpha Widow was born. The
events I describe happened months
ago. She texted me today around
noon.
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Uncle Vasya’s Guide to
Outcome
Independence or
Welcome to Level 99
DGAF
by VasiliyZaitzev | 8 July, 2018 | Link
I sometimes say that I operate at
“Level 99 DGAF”, which is a more
casual way of saying that I have
Outcome Independence. Think of it as
opposite of “One-itis.” What is it, how
did I get here and how do you get
here, too.
Something /u/SirKolbath recently
posted in a comment resonated with
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me. “By the time you get to fifty
{approaches} you'll stop caring about
how attractive they are. By the time
you get to a hundred {approaches}
you'll be trying to see how fucked up
you can approach.” I thought about it,
and realized, yeah, that’s true. I do
that shit all the time. Not “fucked up”
like autistic, but just telling them the
truth, packaged correctly, as to what
you want, and what you are going to
do to them.
I like tying girls up – mostly because I
learned that that’s what women who
like me seem to want from me and it
puts me on the Express Train to
Poundtown – so I tell them, basically,
that (a) I’m going to seduce them, and
(b) I’m going to tie them up, caress
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and tease them until they are WILD
with desire, and then climax them
until they BEG to be permitted to
stop…or they pass out, whichever
happens first.
Of course, it works better if you prequalify your girls, then build rapport,
and put things in the right context, but
once you do, you have a lot more
options than you think.
You can feed Hamster Chow to the
Hamster. I’m giving the Hamster
cocaine. And heroin. Mixed together.1 I
can’t tell you how many times I get a
tingly “OMG! No guy has ever talked
to me like this before!” out of them.
And a lot of them wind up “tangled in
my ropes”. It’s fun, for me and for
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them. And if a girls doesn’t? So what?
Another girl will.
So evidently, a fuck ton of guys are
terrified of approaching women. What
if she says “No!’ What if she laughs at
you? What if she’s a total cunt?
What if she does? What if she is? So
what? Then, at least, you know. And
you have eliminated variables, and
you can carry on with other
approaches. Girls are not evil alien
creatures – well, most of them aren’t –
they understand that guys are going
to hit on them, and the overwhelming
majority aren’t going to be bitchy
about it. Some will be, either because
their own social skills aren’t developed
enough yet, or, yes, because some of
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them are bitches. That’s how it goes.
You know what hell is, in the Matrix?
Hell is being a “nice guy” who
continuously invests and invests time,
attention and resources into a woman
who “only likes him as a friend”. He’s
too terrified that she might reject him,
so he hangs around, hoping that she
will “get it” that they were “meant to
be together.” As if she’s some day
going to say to him, “After all the
times you’ve held a door for me,
gotten my coat, or carried my books,
you’ve FINALLY gotten that 10th
Stamp on your ‘Nice Guy’ CardTM and I
can FINALLY give you all the sex you
DESERVE!”
You wanna know what I’m going to do
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to Mr. Nice Guy – who, let’s face it,
ain’t so ‘nice’2 – while he’s mateguarding his “One Special Girl”TM ? I’m
going ask her, “Oh, is he your
boyfriend?” like I give a shit that I
might be hitting on ‘his’ girl. She’s
going to say “Noooo! {giggle}”
And then I’m going to watch his balls
shrivel up into tiny little raisins, and
then disappear altogether.
Why? Because he’s invested MONTHS
if not YEARS of his time being ‘nice’ to
Sexy Fiona, hoping she will ‘get it’,
only to have me, or some other baller,
walk up and crush his dreams inside of
5 minutes. How? Because he’s got
little gerbil balls, and mine are
gigantic, made out of brass and go
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“KLANK!” when I walk.
Women do not OWE you sex, just
like you don’t OWE them your
attention and resources. Bluepills
sometimes have trouble with that last
bit, like we’re supposed to fall down
and worship the pussy and beg for it.
Fuck that noise. Women should
never be the end goal, but simply
a happy accompaniment to a life
well lived. Younger guys don’t always
get that right away because you want
sex more than you want to stay alive,
but you will come to realize its truth.
So how do you get from where you are
to the Mountaintop?
1. Stop Being Afraid of Shit. You
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approach enough women and
you stop being “afraid”, although
why should anyone be afraid of a
half-nekkid 100# primate is
beyond me.3 Faint heart never
fucked fair lady.
2. Always remember YOU are
the Prize. My OLTR2 is one of
the hottest girls I have ever
banged, 5'11", rockin' body, legs
that go on forever, amazing
cheekbones, DSLs and hair down
to her (perfect) ass – srsly, I look
at that ass and think “That ass
wasn’t born, it was made…in an
underground laboratory in
Switzerland…by my favorite
Jewish doctor, Dr. Finetush.”
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She's 22, I'm 50. Guess which
one of us is terrified of losing the
other one? Hint: Not me. Why?
She knows I'm confident, I'm a
good mixer and, fuck, I got her
so why would I not be able to get
any of the other million pretty
girls out there. I realize she gets
offered dick 25 times a day, but I
have abundance, amused
mastery and I operate at Lvl 99
DGAF – in other words, I can see
the Matrix.
3. “Confidence” is the Key to
Everything. I basically piss out
a quart of confidence when I get
up in the morning. Why? Because
I have made myself exceptional
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at a couple of things. You can,
too. Confidence is often
expresses as “Amused Mastery”.
Go watch the old James Bond
films. They are a master class in
Amused Mastery. Rock out with
your cock out.4
4. Abundance Mentality. Stop
acting like Sexy Fiona is the Last
Girl You Will EVER Talk To. A man
with options is a man who cannot
be fucked with. Now go forth and
SLAY!
1
That’s called a ‘speedball’. It’s what
killed Belushi, Chris Farley, River
Phoenix, Layne Staley, Phillip Seymour
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Hoffman and one half of Kriss Kross.
So yeah, kids, don’t do drugs. And stay
in school, n’ shit.
2
Being a "Nice Guy" is an alternative
pussy-getting strategy that doesn't
work. Nice guys aren't "nice", they're
trying to use covert contracts and
creepy behavior to get pussy. Women
want winners, not supplicating creeps.
Women actually LOATHE White
Knights. Now, in fairness to Nice Guys,
they are taught shitty lessons by
media and movies, etc. "Be quiet, take
what you're given and just keep being
a nice guy and you will win in the end"
- when what they should be told is
"Look, you need to put YOURSELF first,
and do what's good for you. You can
either sit around bitching that girls
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always go for jerks or you can be the
jerk that women go for." That's why
we tell you to lift, fix your diet, dress
better, etc.
3
And anyone who wants to go on
about the vicious Macaques (or
whatever) that live on Gibraltar and
steal shit out of your car, if you’re
trying to fuck one of those, there is
something seriously wrong with you. A
couple of things actually.
4
Not LITERALLY with your cock out.
Stop being stupid.
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OLTRs: What They Are,
And How To Manage
Them
by VasiliyZaitzev | 19 February, 2020 |
Link
So from time to time, I make reference
to an “OLTR” I have – there have been
a few over my time posting here. OLTR
is short for “Open Long Term
Relationship.” By “open” I mean on my
side only, otherwise, the girl would just
be a plate. OLTRs are girls who give
their commitment in exchange for
something else, e.g. a higher priority
access to your time/attention, or as a
form of “covert contract” to try to get
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you to commit to exclusivity by
committing to exclusivity, and then
trying to leverage that, or for other
reasons.
Why Would A Woman Agree To An
OLTR?
Women who agree to an OLTR will do
so to have access to a higher status
man than they could otherwise have,
exclusively. There is an evo-psych
argument that polygamy gives lower
status women access to higher status
men, and thus is beneficial to lower
status women, from an evolutionary
perspective.
Further reading: Become the Prize
Related: Five Minutes of Alpha.
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Alternatively, a woman will agree to an
OLTR because she is bisexual and
wants to have FFM Threesomes.
Women are, generally speaking, crap
at approaching and handling rejection.
I have had relationships with bi-girls
who ask how I approach our playmates
about a threeway – they understand it
intellectually, but the idea terrifies
them. Put another way, if you think
that YOU suck at cold approaches, I
assure you that you are better at it
than basically half the planet.
Further reading: Uncle Vasya's
Guide To Threesomes
It may also be that you are able to
provide the woman with something
that other men are not, for various
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reasons. Ex. I have a slave girl
presents to the world as a “good girl”
who is educated, cultured and with
responsible job (double Ivy, plays the
piano at an expert level, doctor) for
whom I was the first (and only) person
she could ever confess her secret
desires to. Thus, when she is with me,
she serves me, domestically and
sexually – so at my place she wears a
collar, is otherwise nude most of the
time, and does whatever I want,
whether it’s gargling my balls or
playing Moonlight Sonata for me on a
piano I inherited. She realizes that she
got reeeaally lucky with me and
bottom line is, she’s not going
anywhere.
Further reading: Of Human
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Bondage, Part II: Slave Girls Are
Fun.
If she does, so what? I have
abundance – and you should, too. In
fact, let me drop some knowledge on
you now: you should have a goal of
maintaining sexual relationships
with multiple women. Guys get into
trouble when they make decisions
based on “losing” their ONE GIRL who
represents their pussy supply. Put
another way, if one of my girls acts up,
I put her on the shelf, because there is
no ONE WOMAN who gets to decide if
I’m fucking tonight. There are a lot of
issues I see in AskTRP that would not
be issues if the poster was spinning 3
plates. This is why early 20s girl-drama
doesn’t phase me at all. There is no
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One Special Pussy and if you have 2-3
on deck, ready to be plowed, then you
would be surprised at how little shit
you are willing to take from the One
Girl. Fuck that noise.
Further reading: Abundance
Mentality - Why It's Good For You.
How do you get into an OLTR in
the first place?
It’s easier from the get go, rather than
trying to introduce it into an existing
exclusive LTR – exception: bi-girls, who
will be (or should be) down.
So I’m a strong extrovert, and I
basically chat up every person I meet,
in various ways, because I find it
entertaining. It’s beneficial to have
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positive relationships in everyday life.
When it comes to women, if they ask, I
say that “I’m dating” or “I keep a
rotation”. IOW, I have abundance,
which keeps my decision-making
epicenter in my brain and not in my
crotch. I also communicate that to
them because, while it’s possible that
a woman will rule me out based on
that, but it’s not likely insofar as I
don’t “have a girlfriend” that keeps my
balls in her purse, and women like
men who other women like. It
validates them liking you. If a woman
isn’t down, that’s okay – I also have
outcome independence.
Further reading: Uncle Vasya’s
Guide to Outcome Independence
or Welcome to Level 99 DGAF
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Too many guys get caught up in the
idea of the “One Special Girl” and
keep doubling down on trying to crack
that one clam and wind up becoming
the Mayor of her Friend Zone. Instead,
you should Fish With a Net, Not a
Pole. Be the low-investment guy, until
a girl starts giving you “buy signals.”
But Uncle Vasya, What If She
Doesn't Want To Be My OLTR?
What If She Wants My
Commitment?
Then you have a choice to make. I
don't bring it up, other than
mentioning that "I'm dating" or "I keep
a rotation." If I'm asked why, I say "I
do what's right for me." She can either
accept your terms or she can walk.
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Simples. If you have abundance, then
this shouldn't be a problem for you.
In both cases where I had long term
"threesome" relationships, the more
"dominant" girls of the pair were very
interested in me not fucking girls
outside of "the relationship" - actually
one was crazy jealous and the other
one would have wanted to be with me,
fucking the other girl, too, so I guess it
would have been ok if she was there to
"supervise" my extracurricular pussy.
One the plus side the more dominant
girls slipped into the 'boyfriend' role
when I wasn't present (one pair
started out as roommates and the
other pair became roommates), which
gave them a better appreciation for
me: "How you do it? Women are
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IMPOSSIBLE!" Me: "LOL".
Anyway, having OTLRs shouldn't
necessarily be a "goal" for a man, it's
just a tool to help manage your
women. Being an OLTR is a form of
submission, really, for a woman, and
as it happens I prefer submissive
women. Beyond that for an OLTR you
should enjoy her company and not
simply be elevating her because she
"put in the time." For example, while
having a slave girl is as much fun as
you would think it would be (as well as
being more work than you think it
would be), my current slave girl is also
quite knowledgeable about medicine
(ofc), business and, for some reason,
precious metals. She's quite an
interesting conversationalist - when
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she's not tied up and gagged. /heh
On occasions when women have asked
for exclusivity and been rebuffed, they
sometimes say "Well, I can go out and
date other guys, then!" Me: *"Yes you
can. In fact, I recommend it; it will
make me seem even more like a
prince, by comparison." This is
generally greeted with "sour lemon
face" by them. It's amusing, especially
when it doesn't have the effect they
intend - "Oh, no, baby! Please don't
leave meeeeeee!" Ugh.
Further reading: /u/mattyanon's Are
we exclusive? Handling "The
Talk.".
Takeaways
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-OLTRS can be a useful way for girls to
hamster away the fact that you are
banging other girls.
-In order to pull them off, you need to
Become the Prize.
-They can be useful in managing
Threesome relationships, outside of
the bedroom.
-Ultimately, it’s better for most guys to
spin ~3 plates to maintain
abundance OLTRs can be a tool to
help accomplish this.
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Teachable Moment:
Every Encounter is an
Opportunity
by VasiliyZaitzev | 14 June, 2017 | Link
So as I was leaving my favorite
caffeinated beverage purveyors this
morning, a young-ish MILF (maybe
early to mid-30s) was coming in. She
got to the door about a beat and a half
before I did, and held it open for me,
with a big smile on her face.
She was dressed in workout gear that
emphasized her boobs - her top had
this "peekaboo" cutout thing to show
her cleavage - and short shorts. I'm
guessing she was on her way to spin
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class because her hair was up and she
had makeup on and wasn't sweaty and
gross or whatever.
So I thanked her, made a bit of a show
of walking through the door, then
turned, looked her up-and-down - she
was still, smiling, standing there with
the door open, and hand turned
towards me a bit, and then I said,
"Damn, baby, whatever you are doing
at the gym, keep doing it, because
It.Is.WORKING!", and her grin
broadened even wider. Why didn't she
scream, "STOP EYE-RAPING ME, YOU
MISOGYNIST!!! I'M NOT JUST A PIECE
OF MEAT!!!" Because, in general,
women LURVE to be favorably
assessed by a non-fucktard,
masculine male.1, 2 She was also
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dressed to be assessed, and was not
an unkempt slob wearing an "I {heart}
Bernie!" t-shirt, and with purple hair.
And that was it. I turned and hopped in
my car and drove off. "But Uncle
Vasya!" you say, "Why didn't you
spread her and bang her right there on
the pavement! Or at least get her
number!" Well first, because I don't
particularly have any open slots in the
rotation at the moment, and second
because...well there really isn't a
second. But I will tell you how I would
have played it:
What NOT to do: Follow her back
inside, slobbering drool and thinking
"Maybe THIS ONE will LIKE MEEEEEE!"
like a bluepill betafag. Don't approach,
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just hope she picks up that I like her
from mental telepathy.
What Uncle Vasya Would Have
Done: [Mildly subversive vibe] "So,
look, I'd go back in and get coffee and
strike up a conversation with you, but
I've...already got coffee, so I'm just
going to ask for your number."
And that's it. Maybe she gives it to me,
maybe she's married, maybe she's a
lesbian, who the fuck knows? And
really, it wouldn't matter because I
have Abundance Mentality, zero
Approach Axiety, and I operate at
Level 99 DGAF.3 If I see her again,
she's primed to like me. If I don't, I
DGAF, because I'm already tapping 3-5
girls on the regular at any given time.
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Oh, and before I get a "BUT YOU
VALIDATED HER!", no, I didn't. I didn't
give her an "OMG! Yerr so HAWT you
could have 1 million guyz!! OMG! Can I
drink your bathwater?!" like Timmy
Halfafag would do. Instead, I praised
her for something she was doing, in
this case working to keep her manpleasing figure in as close to pre-Wall
shape as possible.
Lessons Learned:
A. Every encounter is an opportunity
to work on your game. Learning 'How
To Talk To Girls' is a necessary life skill
for heterosexual men.
B. Ladyfolk love to be assessed by a
non-loser male. Use this to your
advantage.
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"But Uncle Vasya! My cousin
Gertrude HATES that!" Yeah, well your
cousin Gertrude is a fucking landwhale
who knows that there isn't enough
vodka in the world for me to drink to
make her attractive.
2
The best thing for them is to be
judged superior to another woman, but
there was just her, so I went with what
I had to work with, which was a hot
MILF in skimpy clothes.
3
Haven't written this one, yet. Now, I
have.
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Confidence Above All
by VasiliyZaitzev | 23 September,
2019 | Link
So I’ve seen a couple “OMG! I just met
the perfect girl! I don’t wanna fuck this
up! Plz HALP!” type posts, of late, and
it’s time for a gut check.
There Are No Unicorns.
Yes, I know, your new girl’s specialspecialness is way specialer than all
the other girls who have ever-lived.
Except she’s not, or it isn’t or
whatever. Now go punch yourself in
the dick ten times.
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Why? Because if you play it like “Yes,
pookiekins, you are the sweetest girl
ever! I iz in LURVE!” then you won’t
see the anvil falling out of the sky, and
then you’ll get flattened. Betafag
behavior dries pussies right out. Like
the Sahara Desert. Or the Gobi Desert.
Whichever one is drier.
What then to do?
How Betas Fuck Up
This shit is important: write it down.
Guys fuck up by getting married or
getting into an LTR and thinking that
it’s over, and they’ve “won.” They
anesthetize themselves with
SportsBall and beer, quit
lifting/exercising, chub out, and settle
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into their lives of unknowing
desperation, being bitched out at
home, and working in a 9 to 5 coffin.
Then, one day, they wake up to find
that they’re getting divorced because
“You’ve changed” or “I’ve changed” or
“I’m not happy anymore” or some shit.
So much for “winning”. They get
kicked out of the house, have their
assets strip mined away and get to
see their kids whenever the ex feels
like it. And she sits around bitching to
her friends about what a loser he was
while she’s living in a house that he’s
still paying for, wondering when she’s
going to get her groove back1 or when
she gets to EatPraySlut her way into
the bed of some sexy foreign man.2
He's still trying to figure out "what he
did wrong" when really just got the
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realities of life shoved up his ass, 'wif
no lube, 'bruv. The BEST CASE
scenario is that you stay married,
don’t hate each other, but wind up
dying anyway. Of cancer or some
other nasty shit.
How To Not Fuck Up
You “don’t’ fuck up” by doing what got
you there in the first place. Amused
Mastery. Abundance Mentality. Being
kind of an asshole, but not like a REAL
asshole.3 Like a 'funny' asshole. Be
mildly subversive. If she says “No guy
has ever talked to me the way that
you do!” then you’re doing it right.
Ex. One of my girls has like 7 orbiters –
one actually gets tongue-tied around
her, but stalks her on insta and ‘likes’
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all her posts and photos. I told her to
tell him that she has an owner, which
she did – which I was pretty surprised
but hey, good for her – and he just
about shat himself at the thought. She
enjoys teasing him – women love
teasing betas – but there is zero
chance he gets anywhere near her
quim. Another guy writes poetry for
her.4 PUUUUUKE! He is intellectualizing
his desire for her pussy. Me? I just told
her I was going to tie her up and
fuck her. Guess which one of us is
Nailing That Tail? Hint: Not Percy
Shelley. When she mentions him, I ask
if he’s written her a sonnet or
something. If you are going to write
fucking poetry, at least be Lord Byron,
or Dylan Thomas, only without the
syphilis and alcoholism. “The waste
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remains and kills” indeed.
Confidence slays. Keep her offbalance, like she’s balancing a chair
on its back legs, almost tips over, but
catches herself. Be cocky – if I am ever
at loss for words, I usually go with the
most sexist thing I can think of, and
it’s like catnip for them, because the
landscape is such a desert when it
comes to masculine men. Oh, and if
anyone mentions “toxic masculinity”
near me, I correct them with either
“traditional masculinity” or “heroic
masculinity”, as appropriate. Don’t let
the enemy use your own virtues
against you.
What To Do About It
First, remember that women are never
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the end goal in and of themselves, but
rather a pleasant accompaniment to a
man’s life, which he pursues how he
chooses.5
How do you gain confidence? Become
the Prize.
How do you learn to approach women?
You go out and do it. By the 25th
approach, you won’t be afraid
anymore. By the 50th, you won’t care
how hot she is, by the 75th, you will be
thinking, “What is the most fucked up
thing I can say to her and still pull?”
Approach Anxiety: Faint Heart
Never Fucked Fair Lady.
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Why It's Good For You.
Stop being afraid of shit. Uncle
Vasya’s Guide to Outcome
Independence or Welcome to
Level 99 DGAF.
And never forget: You Never Stop
Competing.
Now go forth and SLAY!
1
The male lead in “How Stella Got Her
Grove Back” was an obviously gay
man using “Stella” for a visa to the US.
2
The story of that story is pretty
sordid.
3
Never go full asshole, unless it’s in a
“Total War” scenario.
4
In fairness, I did this once, also, but it
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was limerick about the pulchritude of
her ass.
5
“Men are here to DO shit. Women are
here to make more men.” - Napoleon
Bonaparte, only he said it in French.
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End Game or Handling
Life on Your Own
Terms
by VasiliyZaitzev | 18 September,
2018 | Link
So from time to time, we see questions
about “What about when you’re older?
Aren’t you afraid of dying alone?” All
the older guys on TRP can verify that
this happens. The heavy subtext from
the questioner (IRL) being, “Quick!
Wife up one of these tatted-up,
cankled single-mom bar sluts before
all the ‘good’ ones are taken!”1 Sorry,
not going to fall on that hand grenade
for my "buddies" (meaning her ex, or
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the government, etc.)
The first problem is an existential one:
Nobody belongs anywhere, nobody
exists on purpose, everybody's going
to die. You may not be staring out at
your grave every day, like Morty, but
you might as well be. Why?
Because we’re all going to die.
Someday, probably off in the distant
future for most of you, the Norns will
snip your thread, and the Reaper is
going to tap you on the shoulder, and
then you’ll be gone. We all pay the
Ferryman in the end. Wow. That was a
lot of clichés. I promise I won’t quote
“The Shawshank Redemption”. That
would be too much.
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In the West – which already has it’s
own set of problems – we live in a
death-denying culture, and we regard
people who have died as having
somehow fucked up. We delude
ourselves that perhaps there has been
some clerical error in our case, and
we're going to get out of life alive.
That's not going to happen. Nobody despite their best efforts and delusions
- gets out of life alive. The sooner that
you realize that, the sooner you can
get about what you came here to do.
The question is not, therefore “Aren’t
you afraid of dying alone?” it’s “What
will you do with your one precious
and beautiful life between now
and then?”
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Some people find Steve Jobs' 2005
Commencement Speech at Stanford to
be useful in this regard, mostly
because he was a famous visionary,
and because he is also dead, and
checked out a couple of decades early:
“Remembering that I'll be dead soon is
the most important tool I've ever
encountered to help me make the big
choices in life. Almost everything--all
external expectations, all pride, all
fear of embarrassment or failure-these things just fall away in the face
of death, leaving only what is truly
important. Remembering that you are
going to die is the best way I know to
avoid the trap of thinking you have
something to lose. You are already
naked. There is no reason not to follow
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Jobs died less than 5.5 years after he
delivered this speech. My guess is, he
probably wished he’d tried Western
medicine sooner rather than later, and
– write this one down – talent comes
with conditions, and Jobs did tend to
buy into his own infallibility. Turns out
he was great with computers, mostly,
but when it came to making
healthcare-related decisions, he was
pretty fallible.
With the end of the Fear of Death
begins the Death of Fear.
Once you realize, and by that I mean
come to terms with, the fact that you
will one day die, that's when you’re
free.
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I’ve written before about “Approach
Anxiety” – when was the last time you
think I had “approach anxiety”? Your
guess is as good as mine, because I
don’t remember. Sometimes, I look at
woman and think, “What’s the most
fucked up think I can say to her and
still pull?” AFAIAC, it's MY world, the
rest of you MFers just live in it...
You have nothing to be afraid of, so
stop being afraid of shit. Get busy
living or get busy dying. I guess I lied
about not quoting the Shawshank
Redemption.
The Problem Of Relative
Happiness
So, years ago, I read a news article
about a study that I’m too lazy to try
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and google about how people would
rather make $100K if others were
making $75K, than $200K if others
were making $250K. That sounds
dumb to me, because I don’t give a
shit about how others are doing, I just
want to advance my own cause, but
evidently it’s a “thing” for a lot of
people.
Evidently, it’s not enough for some
folks to “win” but others must “lose”
at least in relative terms. In any case,
once you stop worry about other
people, life gets a fuck-ton easier.
You Need To Stop Letting Other
People Define Your Happiness.
And while you’re at it, stop making
excuses. Sometimes things ARE easier
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for other people. There ARE people
who are way better looking, or richer
or funnier or whatever. So what?
Dwelling on that is just an excuse to
be unhappy. Whomever you’re
comparing yourself too has their own
set of issues. Develop your own
strengths and move on from there.
If You Are Going to Make
Mistakes, Let Them Be Your OWN
Mistakes
Srsrly. That doesn’t mean “Don’t listen
to good advice”, but the things you
will regret the most will be not trusting
yourself.
How To Have The Life That You
Want.
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So, I’m pretty happy in life. If my life is
cool, it’s because I fucking PLANNED it
that way. I don’t mean planned it
down to every last millimeter, and I
certainly got plenty of shit wrong until
I figured out how the world worked,
but I’ve done a good job of putting
myself in a position to do well. Also, as
you get older your goals tend to be
more basic, such as waking up in the
morning and thinking “Ok, Goal 1 for
the day: Don’t Die.” 2
That said, I figured out where I wanted
to be and then I developed a plan
about how I could get from where I
was to my goal and then I set about
putting it into practice. If you think
about the "impossibility" of your task,
whatever that may be, you will surely
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fail. If you think like the Dutch or the
Israelis (or so I am told) that nothing is
strictly "impossible" it's more that
there are a series of obstacles that
must be overcome, then you will have
a greater chance of succeeding.
Fear
Fear is often disguised as
“practicality”. Lots of folks go into Law
or Business careers because poverty
sux and trading dreams for “not being
poor,” because, let’s face it, being
poor sux.
That said, for you young guys, NOW is
the time to be FEARLESS. If you fuckup, you still have time to recover. Go
out, and take chances – Note I don’t
mean the kind of shit you see on
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Jackass, but if you want to play music,
or change the game of soccer, or
invent a new type of French cooking,
this is the time to do it.
I envy you guys your "optionality”. Not
too much, because I like how things
turned out for me, but still. Oh, and, all
things being equal, I’d like my 19 y.o.
back, again. Take care of your back
and your knees. It’s important. I’m
actually quite lucky, but really,
strengthen your core.
Women are Dream Killers.
You’ve heard of the famous Wright
Brothers, right? Reuchlin and Lorin
Wright.
Wait, what? Something doesn’t seem
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correct? Don’t I mean Orville and
Wilbur?
No I mean their older brothers
Reuchlin and Lorin Wright.
You’ve never heard of them?
Probably because they got married
and their wives nagged them into
getting jobs down at the lumberyard
or the tool and die and they didn’t do
anything cool like INVENT THE
FUCKING AIRPLANE. That’s why you’ve
never heard of them. Women kill your
dreams.
To be fair, I don’t blame women for
this. It makes sense for them to play it
conservative, not take chances, and
rely on their hotness and reproduction
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value. They also don’t want to wind up
widowed so yeah, that’s why you have
to sell the motorcycle prior to your
wedding day. Have fun with that.
Women should never be your purpose,
only a happy accompaniment to a life
well-lived.
Other Issues
Self-doubt, drugs, politics, conformity.
There are any number of reasons to
quit on your dreams and go to a job
you hate until they fire you, your wife
divorces you because you’ve
“changed” or she “changed” and then
you die of heart disease or whatever,
never having climbed Everest.3
The Takeaways
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• Stop being afraid of shit.
• Stop worrying about what other
people think.
• If you make mistakes, let them be
your own mistakes.
• The time to take chances is when
you are 21, not 51.
• Take a deep breath…and make it
count.
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1
Contrary to what people – particularly
post-WallSPLAT! women and the media
want you to believe, shit gets so easy
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for men in their 30s (aka your “Dirty
30s”) provided you don’t do dumb
stuff like get fat, get addicted to drugs
or not ever develop frame. In my 30s, I
was getting offers of NSA sex from
married women. As in “Come over, I’ll
cook for you, and then we’ll bang”
offers. Generally, I didn’t indulge
because I like to at least hope that I
have some vestigial sense of morality
that keeps me from doing truly shitty
things, but yeah, that’s what life is for
a RP man in his 30s. Also, if you’re
getting single girls, that takes the
edge off. So there’s that.
2
I do, however, know what my “Why”
is. Actually my life strongly resembles
the film Office Space - a cult classic
from the 90s, you should all watch it, if
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you haven't seen it. More on that
another time.
3
In fairness, I have zero interest in
ever climbing Everest. A buddy of
mine did it, but he’s really into that
kind of things. Was always an
“outdoorsy” guy. Of course, in
whatever room he’s in, for the rest of
his life, he will be The Guy Who
Climbed Everest. /shrugs.
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AWALT, a Valentine's
Day Story
by VasiliyZaitzev | 2 March, 2019 | Link
So a buddy of mine, as my buddies
often do, rang me up for some advice
on gaming girls. In this case, it was
One Particular Girl (yes, yes, Uncle
Vasya told him she is not special), who
he had dated, but she dropped out
when he would not become exclusive
with her - rather than simply
maintaining the fuck out of his Frame,
he tells them whatever they want to
hear, and then cheats on them. But
hey, some guys roll like that.
So she dumps him, and takes up with
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some other guy of the beta type. My
pal decides he wants her back, and
calls me for my advice. My advice is,
ofc, to forget about her and game
younger (she's 32, he's in his early
50s) hotter (although she is hot for 32)
girls.1
In January he starts going to work on
her. On Valentine's Day she goes on a
date with her current bf, who drops
her off around 22:00...at which point
(AWALT ALERT!) she waits a bit and
drives over to my homie's place where
she is quickly de-clothed2 and begging
my pal to drop his load in her pussy.
So to be clear, the bf got shut out on
V-day, but my bud did not. She then
breaks up with the bf...for about 3
days. Billy Beta begs her to take him
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back, and, eventually, she agrees.
Stops returning my bud's texts, etc.,
and it was at this point that he rang
me for advice.
I helpfully pointed out that (a) he got
annoyed with her crapola last time, (b)
she cheated on her current bf with
him, and therefore is a strong
candidate to do the same on him,
later, (c) he would have to give up
other pussy, at least in the short term,
(d) in 2-3 months he will wind up
exactly where he was before, annoyed
with her shit, (e) his frame is now
completely broken, and (f) there were
certainly other, younger, tighter girls
out there .3
"She makes me happy," he replied, so,
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much like The Giving Tree, I gave him
what he wanted, even though it made
me sad, and I told him what to say,
and, sure enough, he got her back.
He texted me to let me know the good
news, and I asked him how it felt to
get what he wanted.
"She makes me happy," he said.
I waited a bit and replied, "And the
Wise Man said 'We'll see'..."
I predict that this does not go well.
Takeaways
A. AWALT.
B. No matter how hard you think you
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are, you can always backslide.
C. Never trust a cheater, or take one
back (which both men in this story
have done.)
1
The only reason to keep a 30+ year
old woman around is because you
married her and/or had kids with her,
or she (a) does EVERYTHING you want
her to do, inside and outside of the
sack, and (b) does so with zero
complaint or hassle.
2
That's the one part of this I approve
of. Get them naked, keep them naked.
One of my college gfs remarked, from
time to time, "I come to your room,
and 'Wham!', suddenly I'm naked!"
Me: "I prefer you that way."
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In 2 or 3 months, when he has come
full circle, I will, of course, remind him
of what his Wise Old Uncle Vasya told
him.
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Chatting Her Up: Beta
Bait, With a Side of
Nuked Hamster
by VasiliyZaitzev | 24 December, 2018
| Link
In fairness, this was more of a tactical
nuke, but the message conveyed was
important.
1
So was out with a dancer this week.
She comfort tests me with some beta
bait.
Her: "Will you still love me if I get fat?"
Now, the beta move is to offer her
loads of comfort about how, ofc, you
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would always wuv her, forever and
ever, no matter what, yada, yada,
even if she devolved into some form of
Bridge Troll.2 Because that's what Billy
Betafags and Nice GuysTM do.
But, ofc, I didn't do that. I could have
gone with something more abstract
like "Still love you? I don't love you
now," but that would have been less to
the point. So with a look of half-disgust
and half-confusion, I said:
"No."
I don't think a man had been that
direct with her before. Plus I was
looking at her with an expression of
"surely you can't be that retarded?" on
my face. She was a bit (only mildly)
shocked, and I waited for it to pass
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and said, "Men care about this" and I
made an hourglass shape in the air
with my hands. "You have a lovely
body. Don't waste it by getting fat."
This was met with a rapid-fire torrent
of her qualifying herself to me about
how she'd never get fat, and I
shouldn't worry about it, etc., etc. I
replied, "Good girl," and the
conversation moved on.
The point here is that you should (a)
maintain frame, (b) reject beta bait,
and (c) set proper expectations. That
last thing is important and carries
more (pardon the pun) weight that you
would think. My OLTR1 mentioned in a
conversation that I'd told her once that
by 26 her beauty would have faded
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and the bloom would be off the rose,
as it were. Now, I said that to her more
than a year ago, but it stuck with her,
and has helped guide her behavior - I
said it in the context of her drinking
more alcohol than she "should", etc.3
so I effectively "dreaded" her, but I did
have her best interests in mind. Mine
also, ofc, because I like her pretty, and
don't want her to waste it, stupidly, on
things like too much booze, cigs or
drugs (she neither smokes nor does
drugs and understands that either of
those would be an immediate "dumpable" offense.) Women should be
taught to fear the WallSPLAT! and to do
all that they can to forestall their
arrival at it.
Am I a mean or callous guy? Probably,
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but my girls don't turn into fatties
because I've given them too much
comfort, either. If that makes me a
bad guy, I'm fine with it. Also, it's in
their interest, not just mine, for them
to maintain their looks. So that makes
me a giver. /s
Takeaways:
Reject "beta bait". If she says
stuff that's clearly designed to
get you to tell her how pretty, or
smart, or charming she is, or is
"fishing for compliments", then
that's beta bait.
Maintain frame. You lead, she
follows, no exceptions.
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Feminine women respond to, and
do better under, masculine
leadership. Set proper
expectations. Praise proper
behavior. Impose discipline when
necessary.
Now go forth and SLAY!
1
Ballet. Not strip.
2
There is also the Blooper/naggy
feminista "But what if it wasn't her
FAULT? What if she had kids? What if
she got infected with some kind of
Space AIDS that made her gain
weight, huh? What about that you
misogynist bastard?!" To which I reply,
"Men like what they like. If that upsets
you, go argue with God. Or Nature. Or
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aliens. Or whomever put us here. Also,
there have been zero reported cases
of 'Space AIDS' that cause women to
pork up."
3
There is an age when only "too
much" is enough and she was 21 at
the time. Also - and men are well
advised to heed this, also - you can't
"out-exercise" cigs, drugs, shitty food,
etc. All that stuff shows back up on
your face and body when you're 40.
And use sunscreen. No lie.
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Chatting Her Up: So I
Met A Nude Model
by VasiliyZaitzev | 3 December, 2018 |
Link
So I met a girl this past week who
turned out to be a nude model – kids,
it’s just my life. She was cute in a “slut
pretty” kind of way, i.e. over
processed, but would still bang – think
Ariana Grande (only normal height and
with tits) or Faith Goldy.1
How do you open a nude model? Well
first, you stop giving a shit that she’s
got a rockin’ body – which, for obvious
reasons, she does. What you don’t do
is drool all over her hotness, like a
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betafag would - “OMGEEEE!!! Ur so
PREEEETEEEEEY!!!” Have some
dignity. Don’t compliment her on her
hair or eyes – on those occasions when
I compliment a girl, I do it based on
something she’s chosen or did on her
own rather than her looks. Also, the
best thing to compliment her on is
when she does something or engages
in some behavior that I want her to
repeat….such as cooking me dinner or
giving me a blowjob. If a girl behaves
in a feminine way, give her a treat,
and girls love compliments.
So back on chatting her up. Your move
is to flip the script. Even “normal” girls
get offered dick a dozen times a day.
Hot girls get offered dick a dozen
times an hour. The thing is, this is
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usually done badly by supplicating
guys who tell them how wonderful
they are and how the guy isn’t worthy.
This is NOT attractive. Bear in mind
that girls have their own set of
existential problems and coming off as
a weak loser doesn’t improve your
position - “OMG!!! You’re so beautiful!
You could have a thousand guys!”2
So your move is to flip the script and
get her to qualify herself to you.
How? The most common technique
involves a compliment followed by a
mild neg, so something like, “You’re
cute, but do you have anything going
on besides your looks?”
To me that sounds canned, so I go
with something more direct – and
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minus the unearned compliment –
such as, {with an expression that’s
half conspirational had half skeptical –
remember, I am going for a “mildly
subversive” vibe} “So…tell me Your
Story.” In this case, I’ve essentially
given her a command, so I’m really
speaking to her subconscious female
brain, which understands that (a) I am
not intimidated by her looks at all, and
(b) expect compliance, which her
“submission” wetware DIGS.
So now I have her telling me all about
herself, giving me angles I can use,
etc., and she’s qualifying herself to me
in terms of what she has going on in
her life and, by implication, what value
she has to offer, rather than the other
way around.
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Then she let drop that she’s a nude
model. I’m sure she doesn’t want to
lead with this, but has to slip it in as a
way to get rid of guys who would
object to her line of work, e.g. prudish
or insecure guys. Actually she said
“topless model”. To this I replied
“Really?” and ofc, this gave me the
opportunity to ogle her to my heart’s
content – I had her stand and do a turn
for me. Once she re-seated herself, I
said, “Hmm. Perhaps you meant ‘nude
model’?” - whatever angels are made
out of, her ass was made out of the
same thing, and there was NFW that,
having monetized nudity that she was
going to leave her real moneymaker
out of the equation. She shyly
admitted that yes, she was in fact a
nude model. So I carried on the
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conversation as normal, never judging
her – I’m sure this happens a lot – so
by and by she got to thinking I was a
chill guy, and so my seduction of her
continued.
Takeaways
Do not supplicate. It's not a good look,
and puts you in an inferior position to
your quarry.
Remember that YOU are the Prize and
that she should qualify herself to you,
not the other way around.
Whatever comes your way, always
keep your cool and the rewards can be
great.
1
I love me some Faith, but you know
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she’d be a wildcat in the sack. You just
know it. Plus you would actually bang
Faith, as opposed to Lauren Southern,
unless you really really had a blonde
fetish.
2
One of the hottest girls I ever banged
told me that some dude attempted to
come on to her with this line once. She
continued (to me), “But I only need
one.”
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Subversive Humor:
Nuking the Hamster
by VasiliyZaitzev | 22 October, 2018 |
Link
Just a fun tale of Nuking the
Hamster.
So in addition to its usefulness in
chatting girls up, Subversive Humor
can be weaponized.
Bear in mind that Frame is Everything.
If you use humor without frame you
are just a dancing monkey.
So many years ago, in a bar populated
by 20-somethings in pre-Financial
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Crash Manhattan, it was about 8 to the
bar an some entitled girlie tried to
Bogart her way past me, because:
vajayjay entitlement.
As you might imagine, gentle readers,
I was having none of it.
Me: "There's a line."
She proceeds to unleash a tantrum,
during which she demonstrated her
extensive knowledge of Anglo-Saxon
curse words. Because, y'know, how
dare I have the temerity to exist?
In such situations it's best to treat the
tantrum-thrower exactly like the
immature teenager she's behaving
like.
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Me: "You're terrible at flirting!"
Her [cool completely blown]: "I wasn't
flirting with you! I wouldn't date you if
you were the last man on Earth!"
Of course, by the time she saw my
smirk, it was already too late.
Me: "If I was the last man on Earth,
you wouldn't even be allowed in line."1
Hamster Nukeage Level: Hiroshima
I get the impression she had a
reputation for being something of a
bitch, because her friends seemed a
bit overjoyed at her receiving her
comeuppance - "OMG! Did you hear
what that guy said to Ashley!"2 It also
helped that I was a semi-regular at
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that place and so some of the other
regulars and the staff were
suppressing laughter (and not very
well).
Really, at this point, it was all over but
the shouting. Her brain couldn't keep
up with her mouth, and she only
succeed in sputtering and making
herself even more ridiculous.
The Aftermath is that, after not too
long, I was fending her away from my
group, and, as she drank more and
contemplated her complete and total
defeat, tried to crawl onto my lap and
me shooing her away, until her friends
eventually asked me, "Will you just
take her number so we can leave?"
Lessons Learned:
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Frame is Everything.
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They want to fight you but they don't
want to win.
If a girl wants to act like a child, treat
her like she's a bratty kid sister.
Sometimes the most devastating thing
you can do to a woman is look at her
with disgust, like she just gambled on
a fart and lost.
1
This is actually the punchline to a
joke by 80s comedian Emo Phillips. I
saw him tell this joke on Letterman. It
bubbled up from my subconscious at
exactly the right moment.
2
Or Brandy or Jennifer or whatever her
name was. She did have one of those
Basic White Girl names. Although now
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she's no doubt shopping at "Forever
XXXIX" instead of "Forever XXI"
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Chatting Her Up: Using
Subversive Humor
by VasiliyZaitzev | 16 October, 2018 |
Link
So I sometimes talk about keeping a
"mildly subversive" vibe, when
chatting up women. Like you (or you
both) know something that others do
not, or to use humor in a bold way.
Here is an example of what I mean: In
the past couple of weeks I went on an
impromptu date with a young woman
who, as it turns out, owns her own
business. She kept asking me - in
subtle and inoffensive ways - about my
finances, but eventually, I called her
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out on it and she explained that men
she dates find out that she's well off
and suddenly they expect her to pay
for everything, etc. Now, she's young,
and not experienced enough to see
past her own solipsism yet, but I saw
an opening:
Me: "Oh, don't worry....I only want you
for sex!"
Verdict: Killshot.
She erupted in giggles. I spoke to her
a few days later. Her: "I told my
friends about you! That I met a man
who only wants me for sex!"
This accomplished a few things. First, I
disarmed her biggest fear - never
mind that she hasn't figured out that,
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as an older, successful man, I have no
need for her $$$ - Second, I
established myself in a sexual frame.
That it made it far easier for her to
give in, when the time came. Third, it
also established me as a clever, witty
guy.
Takeaway:
Quick on your feet is quick to the
sheets.
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The Importance of
Implementing Game
by VasiliyZaitzev | 21 December, 2019
| Link
So my slave girl was up for a few days
this pas week and related the
following to me, which illustrates the
importance of developing skill at
approaching women and gaming
them.
She is committed to fitness and
spends a lot of time in the gym. She
also has a tendency to wear leggings
and other tight clothing that shows off
her figure. And ofc, in the gym, she
wears gym clothes and there is no
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shortage of thirsty guys staring at her,
offering to help her with weights,
asking about thus or so exercise she's
doing, etc.
I don't blame guys for looking at her;
she has a rockin' body. When we are
out together, it is not uncommon for
men to look at her, longingly, and then
realize that I've busted them and then
get that "Oh, FUCK!" look on their
faces, like I'm going to kick their asses
- fear not, I just smile and wink.
So one guy has been coming to her
gym for 5 months.
Five.Fucking.Months. That is waaaaay
too long to wait to approach a girl.
And his move? "I really want to touch
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That, dear friends, is a man who never
learned how to Talk To Girls. Ever. And
her estimate was that he was between
35-40 years old. He might as well have
said, "I think about you when I
masturbate."
Now, the guy had no shot - she has a
particular set of needs, i.e. a strong
desire to be a sex slave, and she is
painfully introverted, and has thus
only been able to confess this to one
person in her life. Luckily for her, it
was me. But still, that guy needs to
make a stronger effort if he's ever
going to get laid.
So the take away for you young guys
is this:
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-Don't be afraid to approach women.
The worst thing they can say is "no"
an you are no worse off than you were
before. 95% of them will be polite
about it, and if not, then just turn and
walk away.
-There is no "One Special Girl." Don't
obsess over that girl you see at the
gym, or at Starbucks or whatever.
Make your move. Stop giving a shit
about outcomes.
-Go over the game film after. What
worked? What didn't? LURN.
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50 Shades of Red
by IllimitableMan | July 17, 2015 | Link
50 Maxims on the nature of women
and man's relationship with her. Easyto-read and broken down, I'll share the
first 10 with you here:
IM MAXIM #1: “The tougher the men
around her, the softer she is. The
softer the men around her, the
tougher she is. The toughest woman is
the fatherless woman, for the
fatherless woman seeks a surrogate
by whoring herself.” [See here for
more.]
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IM MAXIM #2: “A woman never
wants you to need her, only to want
her. The moment your want becomes
need – she no longer wants you.”
IM MAXIM #3: “Women’s love is
admiration built upon respect. Women
are drawn to men of experience and
power. Man’s love is respect built upon
desire. Men are drawn to women of
innocence and vulnerability. When a
woman no longer admires, and a man
no longer sacrifices, love is lost. It is a
delicate balance, for respect is lost
when either fails in their capacity. Man
sacrifices, woman admires, that is
love.”
IM MAXIM #4: “Women love children
how men love women.”
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IM MAXIM #5: “The feminine wants a
guardian and the masculine wants to
guard. The problem is, neither can
happen without trust. The sexes have
never trusted each other much, but
courtesy of feminism, they have never
trusted each other less.”
IM MAXIM #6: “There is an
immutable animosity between the
sexes that serves as the conduit for all
distrust. This animosity flows from the
inability of the sexes to reconcile their
fundamentally opposed sexual
strategies. For a man’s optimal sexual
strategy to thrive, the woman’s must
suffer. For a woman’s optimal sexual
strategy to thrive, the man’s must
suffer. Each sex is determined not to
suffer, and so both inflict suffering on
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the other in a perverse determination
not to suffer themselves. This is the
battle of the sexes. This is
reproductive war.”
IM MAXIM #7: “The sexes desire to
trust one another, but they wish to
actualise their sexual imperatives far
more. As such, trust is predicated on
the degree of one’s control far more
than it is any sense of blind loyalty.”
IM MAXIM #8: “Women are followers,
not leaders. They follow trends, status
and power, not a sense of innate
loyalty.”
IM MAXIM #9: “The average man is
ignorant and misled. His mental
construct of women is far greater than
anything the typical woman aspires to.
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This is not his fault, his biology
deceives him, society lies and so the
deck of deception is stacked.
Nevertheless, the reality remains.”
IM MAXIM #10: “You conflate her
beauty with good character. These
things are distinct, but mesmerised by
beauty, you think they are identical.”
If you want the rest:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/
17/fifty-shades-of-red/
Enjoy.
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50 Shades Redder
by IllimitableMan | July 23, 2015 | Link
Another 50 Maxims on the nature of
women and man's relationship with
her. Here's the first 10:
IM MAXIM #51 – “Women are
mercenary. They do whatever it takes
to win. They will switch sides or
outright lie to secure the man they
deem their best option. That’s what
you are to a woman. An option.”
IM MAXIM #52 – “Society claims a
woman shown your deepest fears will
appreciate “your true essence.” This is
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a myth, a grandiose lie. The average
man naively expects a woman to
treasure his vulnerability in much the
way he does hers. She cannot.
Presented with such a burden, a
woman will plan her exit. Your
vulnerability will not be tolerated. Such
a man’s error is conflating his innate
attraction to female vulnerability with
a reciprocal attitude. There is no
reciprocal attraction. Pre-sexual
revolution, men knew this acutely.”
IM MAXIM #53 – “Superficial
vulnerability from a position of power
is attractive to women, this is what it
means to “open up.” Substantive
vulnerability, eg: being insecure, is
not.
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IM MAXIM #54 – “You think sharing
your weakness demonstrates trust and
love. You believe you can bond over
your pain. You believe wrongly. All she
sees is the repulsiveness of your
weakness. She does not respect your
weakness, your pain, or how difficult it
was for you to share your pain with
her. Women do not care. They can
admire your persistence in the face of
such, but not your need to express it."
IM MAXIM #55 – “Money is makeup
for men. Money on a man looks like
makeup on a woman.”
IM MAXIM #56 – “Money is more
important than women. Chase money,
not women. You are more likely to get
women chasing money than you are to
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get money chasing women. Without
money or godlike genetics, you’re
playing on hard mode. Money makes
everything better, the quality of
woman you can get is the epitome of
such, not the exception.”
IM MAXIM #57 – “Men control an
interaction by being non-reactive.
Women control an interaction by being
hyper-emotional.”
IM MAXIM #58 – "Women feed off
excess emotion, men tire from it, with
the exception of anger indulgence.
Woman's emotional nature thus makes
her highly histrionic. Corollary: men
with cluster B personality disorders are
histrionic and thrive on emotion. In
this way, they are similar to women.
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You will see many similarities between
women and dark triad men
(particularly narcissists) if you look
closely enough."
IM MAXIM #59 – “Women thrive on
drama, it allows them to weaponise
emotion and push an agenda. Starve
them of emotion, and they have
nothing to fight with. A woman starved
of emotion will become desperate to
sustain her psychological onslaught.
As such, she will attempt to pry it from
the dead, exaggerating observations
and manufacturing issues in order to
sustain the indignance necessary to
maintain her psychological assault.”
IM MAXIM #60 – “Women are
psychologically violent.”
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And probably my favourite one:
IM MAXIM #63 – “"Always protect
the core of your essence, should you
choose to let her in, never let her in
completely. See yourself as a castle,
let her into the castle, but do not give
her the key to the heaviest door. She
will notice the door is closed. She will
ask you what's behind the door and if
"you can let her in?" Ignore her
protests and manipulations. Never
open that door. Not a woman alive
other than perhaps your mother is
worth opening this door for. If you
believe love entails "sharing
everything," you don't understand
love."
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If you want the rest:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/
23/fifty-shades-redder/
Once again, enjoy!
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50 More Shades of Red
by IllimitableMan | March 31, 2016 |
Link
50 Maxims on the nature of women
and man's relationship with her. Easyto-read and broken down, I'll share the
first 10 with you here:
IM MAXIM #101 – A woman’s charm
comes from her happiness, a man’s,
from his confidence. An inconsolable
woman’s as unattractive as a timid
man.
IM MAXIM #102 – Men must earn
value, women must preserve it. It is
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because of this very reason a woman’s
age is taboo whilst a man’s is not. The
passage of time fares man better than
woman.
IM MAXIM #103 – If you’re pining for
a girl, next her. You’ve already lost, for
it is she who should be pining for you.
Be the prize, not the contestant, prizes
never lose, contestants often do.
IM MAXIM #104 – Women play men
like Mozart played piano. Men
manipulate nature, women manipulate
men. Civilization is man’s project, man
is woman’s.
IM MAXIM #105 – Narcissism is a suit
well-worn by a man, but one ill-fitting
on a woman. Male narcissism is
attractive to women, but female
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narcissism is not to man. Corollary:
men with dark triad mothers are
attracted to narcissistic women.
IM MAXIM #106 – A man must be
more narcissistic than a women to
attract her. In cultures which worship
women, the average woman is more
narcissistic than her male counterpart,
where this occurs, great swathes of
men are deemed unattractive.
IM MAXIM #107 – A difference in
narcissism (female gratitude and male
arrogance) is the great equaliser
between the beauty of the feminine
form, and the lack thereof common to
men. When women are equally if not
more narcissistic than men, such an
equaliser vanishes. Being grandiose
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never hindered a man’s chances of
getting laid.
IM MAXIM #108 – Give a woman less
attention than she wants, and she will
desire it. Give her as much of it as she
wants, and she will not. Women
quickly devalue the attention of a man
who would attend to her every whim,
so be frugal; it is easy for a man to be
too generous, but near impossible for
him to be too frugal.
IM MAXIM #109 – In matters of
women, entitlement and worthiness is
a matter of false equivalence; her
level of entitlement almost always
exceeds what she is worth.
IM MAXIM #110 – If she can find a
way to blame a man for her decisions,
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she will. If she can find a way to avoid
guilt, she will. Oft these two
intertwine, for women are allergic to
responsibility and loathe to be held
accountable.
If you want the rest:
http://illimitablemen.com/2016/03/
30/fifty-more-shades-of-red/
Enjoy.
This is part 3 in my maxims series.
Part 2 can be found here:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/
23/fifty-shades-redder/
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Part 1 can be found here:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/
17/fifty-shades-of-red/
Will there be a part 4? Never say
never.
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by OmLaLa
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"Cubic v. Diamond"
by OmLaLa | 30 April, 2015 | Link
Red Pillers,
I’ve learned a lot from the mistakes
others have posted here and I feel that
it’s about time I bring something to
contribute. Now that I’m learning to
live with the betafaggot decisions I’ve
made in the past, I want to share the
worst BB event of my life (or, quite
possibly, of anyone’s’ life that you’ve
ever met).
I call this field report “Cubic v.
Diamond”
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And look fellas, I know it’s long. It’s a
story I feel needs to be told in its
entirety to fully appreciate and getting
it out will help me come to terms with
it. Hopefully some newcomers can
learn from it and elders can get a kick
out of how truly and utterly beta this
story is (it’s extremely brutal and not
for the faint of heart). If you find it too
long, go chop wood, meditate, lift
something and come back when
you’re ready to learn. I’ll sure you’ll
get something out out this one.
Again, you’ve been warned.
Background:
I was 21, 6’1”, 210lb and I’d just
returned to the states after studying,
working and boxing in the Far East. I
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would bed different girls every night
with no effort (tall, fit, and confident in
the east kills), I’d had my first
threesome, foursome, I’d been
swinging (partner swap), went to a
fetish hotel on occasion (“Love
Hotels”, as they often call them, are
kinky yet lavish suites usually built
around popular night spots. Really
convenient.) I had come back with the
biggest ego imaginable. I’d walk up to
girls after classes like it was nothing
and bed them that night, the same
type of girls I’d never get attention
from before my trip. Life was great
and I was deluded into thinking I was
in my prime. I was a beta in alpha’s
clothing.
Then Chad Thundercock became my
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roommate. The first true Chad
Thundercock I had ever met. Let’s
name him D.
Now, I knew that I was attractive at
the time (I’d easily have given myself
a 8.5) but THIS guy blew me out of the
water. He was almost literally a
cleaner, fitter, more interesting, more
socially inept version of me. He played
football in high school, was greek (but
didn’t use that as a crutch i.e. never
told women about it unless he was
pressed) and truly DNGAF about what
people thought about him (especially
women). He was 25 and a grad
student in a special program our
college offered. He came late in the
year due to family issues, so my
apartment was the only one available
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(I came late in the yer too due to
traveling).
Before meeting D, I’d seen game, I’d
seen charisma, I’d seen PUA, but I’d
never seen anything like what this guy
would accomplish in one night. D was
new to the area, so he would come out
with me and my beta pack and go out
to clubs. We’d watch him successfully
make out three different girls in the
same proximity, take home and fuck a
fourth, then he’d bed the other three
throughout the week between classes.
He’d go to the gym, see a girl he liked,
talk to her for 15 minutes, bang her in
the handicapped bathroom, then come
work out with us like it was nothing. D
would invite the two girls over to play
PlayStation, take one to the bedroom,
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smash her, she’d leave and then he’d
smash the one he left waiting. D had
banged two of my friends GFs on
multiple occasions (he had oneitis for
this HB9 and he was super weak, so he
“forgave” her and D and we all
continued to hang out. D and the GF
continued banging, they just got
better at not getting caught).
This is where it gets bad.
Cubic v. Diamond:
I had a TON of plates before D moved
in. I thought, “yeah, D’s got game or
whatever, by he’s no OmLaLa. OmLaLa
is a legend at this school”. I got
cocky/jealous, so I tried to compete.
Bad, bad move. Bad, bad, bad move. I
was waaay the fuck out of my league.
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OmLaLa
On average, this guy would bring
home 8s and 9s consistently (almost
daily, thank god our apartment was
big) while I would bring home 6s and
7s if I was lucky. At first, we would go
to a party and attempt to bring home
the same girl and I’d always lose OR
think it was a sure thing until right at
the end of the party where I’d catch
her leaving hand-in-hand with D. I’d
successfully bring the girl ALL THE
WAY TO THE LIVING ROOM and he
would stroll in, sit down at the other
end of the room, not say a word and
SOME FUCKING HOW get her to follow
her to his room on eye contact alone.
Women I really wanted he’d fuck in
the living room so I’d have to walk by
them to get to class in the morning.
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OmLaLa
I’ll never forget the day I walk past
them both fucking on my coffee table
while eating toast and watching the
news. Fucking toast. (To those that say
‘OmLaLa you pussy faggot, why the
fuck didn’t you move out?” Trust me, I
tried. The leasing office wasn’t having
it without some legal recourse that I
couldn’t afford.) And to make matters
worse, because he had such an IDGAF
attitude about it all, he would
inadvertently steel plates from right in
front of me.
One of which was Sarah.
Sarah the Unicorn:
There was one girl (we’ll call Sarah,
because Sarah is my default woman
name) I met at a soror party and we
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really hit it off. Sarah was a solid 8,
thin, pretty, down-to-earth, mixed
(Black and Asian I think), big tits, and
we liked all of the same things. We
exchanged numbers and would talk for
the next couple of weeks working
towards a LTR. Now, although I played
alpha on the outside, I was still just a
beta. I began getting heavy feelings
for this girl thinking she could be the
one. I had oneitis bad; I’d blow up her
phone, send her gooey emotional bull
crap and talk about how much I
cherished our time together (ALL
before actually fucking, mind you). I’d
buy her things, take her places, pay
for everything, etc.
I just had one rule: she could never
come to my apartment and she could
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never meet D.
“Whose D?” she would often ask. “Oh,
just my roommate. He’s a jerk.” I’d
vaguely explain. At this point I’d been
so emasculated, simply knowing what
would inevitably happen if I invited her
over. I’d lost so many plates by this
point (only the loyal ones remained)
that insecurity began to set in, making
me even more beta that normal. And
she smelt it on me like bad cologne.
We’d talk less frequently, she’d flake,
something came up, test got
rescheduled, you know the deal. Then,
that fateful day occurred.
D was out a some frat party one night
and I thought now was the time to
finally fuck Sarah. It’d been weeks and
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OmLaLa
I felt the time was right. I eagerly hit
her put inviting her over to watch a
movie and order some pizza. “I’ve got
an exam tomorrow morning, so I think
I’m calling it at night.” She replied. I
was pissed, but I forgot, forgave, said
some weak shit like “whenever you’re
ready I’ll be here waiting ;-)” and went
to sleep.
I woke up to D drunkenly fumbling
with the door around 3 AM. Big
surprise, I heard him and some chick
giggling in the living room. I normally
don’t think anything of it, but this was
different. I recognized her voice. It was
Sarah.
I saw red. I busted out of my bed room
and began yelling at her. I don’t
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remember the exact words, something
like “how could you”, “why would you
do this to me”, you know, beta shit.
She responded with this cold
indifferent glare I can’t to this day
forget.
Sarah said, “You never told me which
D, I didn’t know D was your roommate,
I’m not your girlfriend, I want to fuck
him so why does it matter?” She then
took him by the hand, went in his
room and fucked. Loudly.
That was the end of what security or
manhood I had left. I was broken.
If only that was the end of it.
Bridget the Little Plate That
Could:
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OmLaLa
I hated D, I hated Sarah, I hated
everything and everyone. I validated
through women at the time and now
all validation was out the window. I
was at the lowest of the low version of
beta imaginable. This’ll be important
in a minute.
D, realizing that he might’ve taken it
too far, wanted to make amends
(shocker, honestly). He agreed to two
things: 1) he would rarely girl back and
just stay at their place and 2) would be
a surprise. I was too apathetic to care
at this point so I just brushed it aside.
One the last day of my finals, I came
stumbling into my apartment after a
night of binge drinking (came this
close to becoming an alcoholic over
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this shit. The other Chad I met after all
of this really saved my ass). D was out
somewhere and didn’t care to do
anything else that night, so I went to
bed.
And there she was. Naked. Sleeping. In
my bed. Mother fucking HB9 Bridget.
I don’t know how to describe how she
looked, so just imagine what you’re
version of an HB9 would look like. Now
granted, I was at a pretty low point
then, so she may have actually been
an HB6.5, but semantics. She was for
a popular sorority on campus and I’d
seen her in passing before, but never
expected this. “I thought you’d never
get home.” She’d whisper. “I’ve been
waiting all this time.”
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I want to tell you all that I jumped in
the bed and fucked her brains out that
night, but I couldn’t. Just knowing that
D had coaxed some girl to sit here and
wait for me made me sick. It made me
sick that someone ran game for me.
She wasn’t here for me, because she
liked me, or even wanted to be. She
was here because in her mind, if she
fucked me D would validate her. That’s
went I woke up. I began to understand
what was really at play here. It took
month of agonizing mental and
emotional torture but it all began to
make sense. This was my first glimpse
at the RP way.
But, as beta as I was (it was really
fucking pathetic), I drunkenly fell
asleep on the floor. I woke up, she was
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gone, I packed my things the next day,
and moved in with my beta pack (40
minute commute to class, but I could
take it another day). I told my beta
pack my story and they gladly let me
stay for free (I had to keep paying on
the lease and my job paid for shit).
TL;DR- D the one true Chad
Thundercock fucks his plates, fucks
my plates, fucks my unicorn, fucks my
friends’ unicorns, fucks half the girls
on our damn campus, and fucks a
damn plate on my favorite coffee table
while eating my toast. My fucking
toast. Tries to reconcile with a naked
co-ed peace offering that teaches me
the beginnings of RP.
Epilogue:
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I tell this story online to total strangers
for your benefit and mine. You’ll say I
was pathetic, you’ll say I was an idiot,
and I’ll agree with you. But the thing I
take away from this is that’s not me
now. I’ve held onto this story for so
long and it’s been such a burden on
my psyche that just by posting this I
feel a he weight lift off of my
shoulders. By posting this, I can’t truly
come to terms with how beta I was
and how alpha I can become.
If you take anything away from all this,
let this be a lesson that unicorns are a
myth, oneitis is a bitch, MGTOW,
AWALT, don’t judge your value on
validation and nothing you do matters
in the grand scheme of things. So live
life and be the best you you can be
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because not a damn person you know
or love will do it for you. You’re on
your own. Take pride in that and never
settle for less than you deserve.
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Women are like
Bowling
by OmLaLa | 1 May, 2015 | Link
Red Pillers,
If you're a typical guy like myself, your
not an avid bowler. Sure, you may go
bowling from time to time, and that's
swell. But tell me, do you ever go out
of your way to go bowling?
No, you fucking don't.
Do you prioritize bowling over things
like work or time with your
family/friends?
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No, you've got a ton of shit to do.
When has fucking bowling ever
been more important than you
doing your shit?
Do you constantly go broke because
you're always spending your money at
the bowling alley?
No. If you're going broke at a
fucking bowling alley, you're
fucking bowling wrong.
Do you praise bowling daily as Gods
greatest gift to sports?
God, I fucking hope not. Not when
there's football and boxing.
Do you donate large sums of money to
the bowling alley just for being a
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bowling alley?
No, because your not the fucking
bank or a fucking saint.
Do you judge your value as a man by
how talent a bowler you think you are?
Does your fucking dog judge how
much of a dog he this he by how
many cats he's chased? Fuuck no,
that dog don't give a shit. Happy
as fucking July, just licking his
damn balls on the carpet.
Even worse, do you judge your value
as a man by how talented at bowling
OTHER bowlers think you are?
Fuck. No. Fucking Fred Flintstone
and "The Dude" don't need your
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damn validation. Why the fuck
would you need theirs?
Do you lie awake at night with
nightmares of a seven-ten split being
in another bowlers lane?
The fuck does that even mean?
No.
Do you constant stop by the bowling
alley just to make sure other bowlers
aren't tossing their heavy huge black
balls down YOUR lane?
Fuck no. You can't get tied down
to one damn lane! Especially with
that lane two over wide open. You
fucking crazy?
Do you care what the bowling alley
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thinks of you?
Why the fuck would you care
about some stupid shit like that?
No. You just need it for bowling,
not its fucking opinion on your
"favorite color" or "spring
cleaning". It's a damn bowling
alley for chrissakes.
Do you waste away your day and your
time calling up the bowling alley to
talk about that one bitch Tessa that
bowls down every lane on Friday
thinking she's all that but they heard
that blah blah bowling shit?
No, you ain't got no time to put up
with Tessa's fucking bullshit
again.
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When the bowling alley breaks down,
has a leak or runs into debt, do you
suddenly become a repairman, a
plumber and an accountant?
Fuck no, who are you, some kind
of fucking "save-a-bowl"? You
fucking leave and go to another
damn bowling alley because this
ones got a metric fuckton of
issues.
When it's obvious the bowling alley
needs some work done and is worth a
lot less than the asking price, do you
spend your every penny buying it from
the bank because "it's the inside that
counts"?
Do you look like some effeminate
fucking pussy-handed builder
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from HGTV with a hammer in one
hand and fucking rainbows, pixie
dust and the fucking power of
friendship in the other, come
down from Planet Sparkles &
Glitter to magically fix up some
run-down piece of shit past-it'sprime real estate? No? Didn't
fucking think so.
Lastly, are you afraid to bowl at
another bowling alley? Do you even
have to give it thought?
Fuck no, you go out and you bowl
every fucking alleys' lanes out.
You glorious fucking bastard.
Bowling is a distraction. You can't
become successful in IT, or
Finance or fucking Carpentry if
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you're always worried about
bowling. Plan around the
important stuff and bowl when it's
convenient to your schedule. Your
wallet, health, happiness and
future will thank you.
DISCLAIMER: if your an avid bowler
or if that's the lifestyle or hobby of
your choice, no ill will towards you.
This is just a long-winded metaphor.
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"Pavlov on Plates"
by OmLaLa | 4 May, 2015 | Link
Red Pillers,
I’ve been conducting a type of "social
experiment" on my current favorite
plate (a.k.a. my “Fine China”) Ashley
for a little over a month now and I’ve
decided to share the experiment and
it’s results with all of you RP bastards
as objectively as I possibly can. It is a
long post fellas, so go chop wood,
meditate, lift something and come
back when you’re ready to learn. I’ll
sure you’ll get something out this one.
Lastly, if you find this experiment, it’s
procedures or OmLaLa too amoral or
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too objective, please skip to the
disclaimer at the bottom. Let’s begin.
Hypothesis
Ashley and I met roughly once a week
to fuck and hang out, but I don’t want
to drive the 20-30 minutes it takes to
see her. While we do smoke
separately, we would smoke like
chimneys while we are together.
Although the smoking doesn’t bother
me, I believe that I can play at her
insecurity towards her smoking habits
to my advantage and get her to come
to my place more often by using two
forms of Operant Conditioning.
The idea behind my experiment would
be to condition her to believe that her
smoking upset me without telling her
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directly (learned reflexive response) to
establish a long-term “escape”
negative reinforcement
conditioning (i.e. remove the
undesirable result by exhibiting the
correct behavior), then to implement
positive reinforcement
conditioning of the behavior under
certain guidelines/requirements (i.e.
establish a positive reinforcement
stimuli under the guidelines set by the
escape negative reinforcement
conditioning).
Subject
Ashley, HB9, 21, black and Middle
Eastern ethnicity. Smokes Black-andMild cigars daily, roughly 2-4 a day.
Her high need for validation stems
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from being unattractive at an early
age and “growing into” her
attractiveness. It also explains why
she subconsciously keeps less
attractive friends and is on
Facebook/Instagram/YouTube/the
mirror longer than your average
attractive woman. She has roughly 4
male beta orbiters as well that I’m
currently aware of (she’s told me).
These details may prove very
beneficial for this experiment.
Stage 1 Negative Conditioning
I began conditioning her with light
dread game every time she smoked
without me. If she left the room and
went outside to smoke, on her return
I’d turn a bit colder, more distant or be
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on my phone more. Just enough for
her to notice. I made no scene of it,
said nothing about her smoking too
much, and didn’t make any clear or
distinct signs that my distance was
relative to her smoking habits.
Of course, she would follow up with
shit test like, “are you okay?” or “Is
everything alright?” which informed
me that her hamster was indeed
running. Good sign. It was when I
heard her say “Did I do something
wrong?” that I knew her hamster was
running in the direction I wanted it to
be. She was becoming
introspective, meaning she was
attributing my change in
demeanor towards something she
was causing. I pause slightly before
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dismissing it to give the impression I
had more on the topic than I was
willing to say. I then knew it was time
to move on to Stage 2.
Stage 2 Negative Conditioning
While I made no DIRECT distinction
between her smoking and my change
in demeanor at this stage, I aimed to
begin my dread game in the
presence of OTHER female
smokers. When we watched a movie
where the woman began smoking, I
became slightly colder and more
distant. Whenever we went out and
passed a female smoker I would
respond in the same way. Also, the
amount of female smokers we
encountered would affect the degree
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of my dread game/demeanor change
(i.e. a group of 3 smoking females
illicited a stronger response or lack
thereof than 1 smoker).
Again, I continued these dread games
until Ashley began to shit test again
and then I listened for the proper shit
test. “What’s the matter?” or “You’ve
been acting different lately” were the
common shit tests Ashley began with
prove her hamster had begun running
again. I dismissed these. Her follow up
shit test were along the lines of “I
need to go to the gym more often” or
“I really should eat better” which was
Ashley’s hamster turning more selfreflectant and introspective in its
search for the cause of my discomfort
(moving in the right direction), but it
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was generally just grasping in the
dark. I needed Ashley’s hamster to
connect my situation discomfort and
women smoking naturally (i.e. feel like
she did it on her own and it wasn't
orchestrated), so I kept the dread
games going and dismissed these shit
tests as well.
I waited until I heard her say, “I really
should to quit smoking soon” and “I
think I need to stop smoking” to
inform me that her hamster’s
determination to discover the root of
my discomfort (the result) was
introspective (something she’s
doing or has done i.e. the cause)
AND she connected the actions
she observed during Stage 1
Conditioning I’d established
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earlier on (i.e. smoking is the
variable). We’re on the right track
now. I left a large gap of tensionbuilding silence before succinctly
stating that wasn't the reason. Her
hamster takes that pause as a yes and
she’s ready to go. Time for Stage 3.
Project Analysis
At the last stage of negative
conditioning I had to be careful. I
wanted to invoke an “escape”
negative reinforcement around
smoking (i.e. doing smoking the right
way or at the right time removes the
stimuli of me being distant) to which
I’d build a positive reinforcement
around (i.e. after fucking, smoking
becomes acceptable for a finite period
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of time). I DID NOT want to invoke an
”active avoidance” negative
reinforcement by mistake (i.e. stop
smoking and remove the stimuli of me
being distant). I did not want to stop
smoking altogether, I just wanted to
benefit from it. Plus, I’d be very
difficult to build a long-term positive
reinforcement around active
avoidance (quitting smoking could
only illicit a one-time reward, in this
case fucking, at the time of quitting)
Fucking also can’t be the reward
because it doesn't rely on
dependency nor does it effectively
play to an insecurity as much as
smoking (I know this sounds amoral,
bear with me). The idea is to turn
smoking into her reward through the
process of fucking.
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Stage 3 Negative Conditioning
This stage would be the most blatant
approach towards the connection of
my dread tests and her smoking, but I
had to make other changes in
preparation. First, during this stage, I
stopped smoking freely or randomly.
Secondly, I would only smoke after we
had sex and I’d smoke a lot. This
added a visual stimuli for Ashley of
what was to come and what I’d expect
(Preparatory Conditioning). During
this stage. Every time she’d
return from smoking or we would
get into her car, I’d comment on
something that RESULTED from
her smoking. I’d comment on the
way her clothes smelled, the way her
car smelled, the empty wrappers and
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boxes in her car, her breath, her teeth
(not really much of an issue, but still),
the smell that stuck to her hands,
whatever I could. I NEVER flat out said
that I have a problem with the act of
smoking and I never commented on
anything smoke-related after sex.
It didn't take long for the correct shit
tests to come forward at this stage. It
started with Ashley hamstring on
extroversive causes. “Why didn't you
say something earlier?’ or “You smoke
too!” or “You’re making a big deal out
of this!” Then she began to hamster
on introversive causes. “Does it really
smell that bad in here?” or “Can you
really smell it on my clothes?” or “Is it
really that big of a deal?”. Then, surely
enough, she began to retract how
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often she’d smoke around me. If I had
an issue with her smoking, I’d stop
here, but I have a bigger goal in mind.
Time to begin positive reinforcement.
Establishing the Positive Stimuli
The following night, I sent her a text
clearly stating my parameters: it
stated that we both needed to cut
back on smoking, and we could only
smoke after fucking. This does two
things. It turns the negative
reinforcement into a positive one
under certain guidelines and it gives
the subject (Ashley) incentive rather
than functioning purely on prevention
(something I feel is better suited for
social experiments, as people tend to
plot and rebel when pressed). Her
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incentives (outside of fucking) are
the ability to limit smoking (longterm escape negative
reinforcement) and removal of my
change in demeanor/dread game
(short-term escape negative
reinforcement). The only thing left to
do is monitor maintain the scarcity of
the positive stimuli (i.e. make sure she
doesn’t cheat and smoke alone).
Maintaining Scarcity of Positive
Stimuli
This wasn’t too difficult. I followed up
with how happy it made me that she
was willing to try to limit smoking with
me and continued on how unattractive
habitual smokers are. Ashley highly
values my opinion because I speak on
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it so rarely (Law 4: Always Say Less
Than Necessary, 48 Laws of Power).
She had only tried to cheat on our
agreement once, which I caught
(wrappers in the back seat) and she
immediately came clean. This scarcity
cannot be completely monitored,
however, so a great deal of it will rely
on trust in the subject.
Conclusion
Needless to say, the experiment was a
huge success. I get phone calls at all
hours of the day, she always comes to
see me, she only stays around just
long enough to fuck and smoke and
then returns to her days as usual.
What’s even better, it requires no
additional work on my end;
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because she’s now conditioned to
connect smoking and fucking me,
so long as I stay attractive (i.e.
remain someone worth fucking)
my day-to-day is unhampered.
Better still, because she reflects
positively on smoking and it’s a direct
result to fucking me, she reflects
positively towards just the act of
fucking me, making our sex amazing
and abundant. She comes to me
roughly 5-6 times a week and any
location is fine in her book, so long as
we aren’t caught.
Result
In the end, what I’ve learned is that
using and understanding RP theologies
and through the use of some simple
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Pavlov and Miller Conditioning
strategies, plates can be
subconsciously influenced into
following guidelines to the benefit of
the user.
TL;DR- I used techniques discussed in
Operant Conditioning (and a few from
Classical Conditioning) to teach my
best plate (a.k.a. my “Fine China”) to
connect her smoking habit and fucking
me. She then attributes good fucking
with smoking and becomes
subconsciously conditioned to fuck
harder, longer, more often and less
discriminately.
Disclaimer: I am not a scientist nor
do I pretend to be. My understanding
of Pavlov and Miller is very basic and
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was simply used in junction with RP
theology.
Disclaimer Part 2: Some people
might read this and the objective way
I’ve presented it in as completely
amoral. They are correct, it is. But
that’s the point. Presenting subjective
details is presenting the chance of
bias. What I have listed is my
experiment, the steps I’ve taken and
my results. I am long past the
”morality” of the sexual free market.
Sex is war and war is amoral.
Disclaimer Part 3: Some may ask
how this is different from women who
use sex as currency for drugs. I say to
them that they are failing to see the
bigger picture. Women who use sex
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for drugs do so because they have no
other option to quell their dependency.
Their options are expertly crafted to
bottleneck to the point where having
sex with the dealer is her only option.
This is much different because there
are clear and present alternatives she
can choose from to quell her
dependency. She chooses the route of
fucking me because out of her other
options, this one has the highest
benefit (possibility to quit smoking,
fucking, removal of dread game). If
she were to find a greater benefit from
another option, she would take that
route. AWALT. Until then, I’ll reap my
own mutual benefits from the route
she’s chosen.
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Disclaimer Part 4: I know that Miller
was the developer of Operant
Conditioning and not Pavlov. “Pavlov
on Plates” had a nice ring to it so I
chose catchiness over correctness.
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"Dopamine"
by OmLaLa | 7 May, 2015 | Link
In recent years, life has become easy
and comfortable.
Want to watch a movie? You’ve
currently got more movies in your
living room on Netflix than
Blockbuster’s had in their prime (what,
roughly 1998-2003?).
Want to listen to music? Because of
apps like Spotify and iTunes, you no
longer have to go into a Best Buy (and
deal with their quasi-sales customer
service bullshit, but to each his own)
to buy a physical copy of a CD. You
can reach any song or genre or artist
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anytime, anywhere through your
phone or tablet (Anyone else
remember walkmen and CD players?
What a fucking pain those were.).
Are you hungry? What was once a
market dominated by Asian food and
pizza (I was Papa John’s man, myself.
Phrasing.), in recent years the fooddelivery market has opened up to
subs, sandwiches, Italian,
cheeseburgers, hot dogs, etc.
Bored in line at the doctor’s
office? Why not play one of the
hundreds of games you’ve got on your
iPhone (or Android, if you’re a really
cool guy like OmLaLa) that you’ve
downloaded like 3 months ago and
never touched? (I’m willing to bet you
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still have Angry Birds on your phone
but you haven’t played it in months.
Why?)
Need to go shopping? You can
browse Amazon or Ebay for whatever
obscure items you need (you can buy
a full suit of armor on Amazon for like
$3,500 dollars right now. No lie. Go
look it up. Now you can buy it for that
one special white knight beta friend
you’ve got as his Christmas gift. The
ladies’ll love it.) and have it at your
doorstep the next day (usually our
Amazon delivery guy is either high or
dealing drugs, so if that’s your thing
it’s an added bonus).
Want to spin a plate from the
comfort of your home? So long as
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you’re moderately attractive (no beer
gut + receding hairline combos), there
are dating sites (aside from Tinder,
because honestly Tinder’s the ‘final
boss stage’ of the dating site world)
filled with desperate/wall-hitting
women just waiting to be boned by a
quasi-alpha/alpha like you (POF and
Badoo are, to an RPer, like shopping at
the dollar store with $500 in tow. Sure
the merchandise is cheap,
expendable, mundane, brittle, dusty,
expired/outdated and will probably be
trashed it in a week, but where else
can you get a pack of 50 plates for $1?
Costco? They have good prices too if
you willing to pay $100 a year for a
membership. It honestly pays for itself
though, unlike Sam’s Club. Wait, what
was I talking about?)
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Need to chop some wood and
you’ve got no plates on speed
dial? Porn has evolved to the point
where even people with the most
obscure, odd and questionable
fetishes imaginable (like chopping to
Scrooge McDuck banging out Ms.
Incredible in BDSM uniforms covered
in maple syrup while Scrooge’s
nephews triple team Sasha Gray and
that chick from Twilight in a ’98 Chevy
Colorado with Blue by Eiffel 65
remixed by Skrillex playing in the
background) can have their disgusting
needs fulfilled (I’m looking at you
Kevin. I know that you’re reading this.
Yes, I’ve opened that “New Folder”
you’ve got hidden in your Downloads
section).
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It all boils down to two things about
our day and age that have turned
even the most rugged, robust men
into betas: instant gratification and
complacency
If I were still a beta (there are still a
few things beta-esque I’m working on,
but progress), I’d say these are great
and comforting luxuries that we’re
fortunate enough to enjoy.
But I’m not and these aren’t.
What these “luxuries” have done to a
great deal of us (some RPers are
included too. You know who you are.
Kevin.) is made every asset of our
lives way too damn easy. What an
easy life does is it removes the
necessity to have to work for anything
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because it’s all within an arm’s reach.
Dopamine is our brain’s natural
rewards system (do something good,
get dopamine, feel good about it), but
because of instant gratification
through these luxuries, most people
have become addicted to dopamine.
That addiction is not natural; our
brains were not designed to handle
the current ease of dopamine access.
It’s also the cause of multiple levels of
depression (the more dopamine you
access, the harder it is to access it, so
“happiness” becomes further and
further from reach). Dopamine
addiction is the main cause of
complacency. Complacency makes
you seek out and stick to what’s
“convenient”. What’s “convenient”
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runs contradictory to RP ideologies:
You may be an RP head-nodder who
agrees with a lot of things you’ve read
on RP and the side bar but only utilize
the ideologies in the short-term
because focusing on this new mindset
isn’t “convenient” for you right now.
(i.e. as long as you’re here reading
TRP and MAYBE a few hours after. I
was guilty of this in the beginning)
You may subconsciously be on RP
looking for PUA advice and as soon as
you begin to receive female validation
from your frame and higher SMV,
you’ll abandon RP in pursuit of pussy
because Pussy-Focus™ is “more
convenient”. (Pussy is nice, but like
Netflix it’s a luxury. You wouldn’t live
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your life in the pursuit of watching The
Big Lebowski on Netflix, would you?)
You may only agree with some RP
teachings and you’ve chosen which
teachings are “more convenient” to
follow. (i.e. you agree on frame and
abundance mentality, but you may
seriously still think NAWALT as you
unknowingly kiss the post-ejactulate
from Chad Thundercock’s midnight
emissions off of WonderTits™ lips.
Kevin, I’m sorry you have to find out
this way)
You may follow RP ideologies
religiously all the way through Monk
Mode, depressed state, angry state,
nihilism state, and awakened state,
only to fall back into your same beta
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habits because they’re “more
convenient”. (this has happened to me
multiple times, if I’m being honest)
If any of the above cases are true for
you, you are a dopamine addict like so
many others. Complacency through
dopamine addiction has been the
downfall of all of your beta friends
(scarce mentality, complacency,
NAWALT and oneitis all go hand-inhand) and will be the downfall of you if
you’re not fully aware of it and actively
preventing it. Everything in
moderation.
Discipline is hard. Discipline is the
antonym of complacency. Discipline is
severing your ties with things, places,
people that make you comfortable,
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complacent, and weak. Discipline is
always going against your very human
instinct that constantly seeks out order
and predictability and comfort
(Bernard D. Beitman, MD, Professor,
Department of Psychiatry, University
of Missouri–Columbia). Discipline is
going for years striving for a goal
knowing there is no instant
gratification and you’ll never truly be
complacent with what you have.
Discipline is always wanting more
because you deserve more.
Discipline is the basis of The Red
Pill. You don’t just swallow the
Red Pill once. You take your
medication daily.
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"Poker with Black
Widows"
by OmLaLa | 11 May, 2015 | Link
Hello Dear RPers,
I met an attractive woman online on
PoF a few months back (a subject I’ll
be going into great detail about later
on this week), but because she'd
become a notorious last-minute flake
(the kind of woman that shit tests by
cancelling on you 30 minutes prior;
you know exactly the type I mean), I
gave her a soft next and completely
and utterly forgot about her
(abundance mentality fellas, it does
wonders for your game and your skin
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tone). Turns out she hadn't forgotten
me.
She called me yesterday completely
out of the blue, asking what I had
planned for today (uh oh, we all know
where this is headed). I gave her the
specific time and place I planned to be
so that if she flaked (as she was
proned to), it didn’t affect my
schedule. She actually showed up (I
know, I was honestly completely
stunned too) and she was much hotter
than her pictures led on (again
stunned, but more physically stunned
than metaphorically stunned, and only
stunned around my penis. It's an
erection joke).
My frame has gotten pretty
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impenetrable over the past few
months (making a killing on dating
sites after I got used to the type of
approach it takes; again, I’ll go into
greater detail on that in another post),
so I wasn’t too worried about the shit
tests that were coming (after a while,
you kinda know what to expect from
the first encounter). Oddly enough, her
shit tests were slim to none. I could
feel something was different about her
compared to the previous women I’d
dealt with; she rarely spoke, and when
she did, she was very calculated in her
response. She showed little to no
emotion and revealed very little about
herself. What she did reveal was
purposely vague and open-ended,
which I recognized as her trying to
gauge where I was at/how I thought
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based on how I interpreted it. Her
frame was solid and she was playing
the game well.
Diva (who we’ll call this woman for
reasons you’ll learn soon enough) is
what I’d describe as a “strong
framed woman” or (for the sake of
this post’s title) a ”black widow”
female. By that I mean she was
accustomed to (and thoroughly
enjoyed) controlling any relationship
she was involved with (sexual, platonic
and romantic), she fed off of beta and
alpha alike (bend the alpha to provide
her sex when it was convenient for
her, bend betas like all women bend
betas, etc.), held a firm and
unwavering frame (I’ve yet to see a
woman so difficult to read; she’s even
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got some men beat), and knew both
what she wanted and how she would
get it.
I was upfront with what I wanted from
Diva (sexual relationship only, not
looking for commitment) and Diva
replied in turn (wanted a relationship,
exclusivity, no fucking other people
while we “courted”, no fucking until
official). Diva absolutely refused
having sex with someone she wasn’t
dating and I don’t hang out with girls I
haven’t fucked (girls really eat that
“brash honesty” shit up). Diva
believed sex was this special magical
wondrous thing that only people who
truly cared deeply about one another
could enjoy and that she valued
herself too highly to have sex with just
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anyone. I believe sex is an act two
people who’re attracted to each other
just do and, just like kissing or holding
hands or jogging, sex doesn’t mark
against anyone’s “value” by enjoying
it.
Part of me really wanted to just drop
Diva all together and hit up Plate #3
(whose back in town for summer
vacation; I’m sorry Kevin, but I think
your GF is cheating on you for some
unrelated reason), but the other part
welcomed the challenge that was
being presented (plus Sunday was a
pretty slow day for me and I had some
time to kill). We had reached a
stalemate; neither of us were willing to
divulge too much about ourselves, yet
it was very clear by the fact that
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neither of us had walked away that we
were both attracted to each other. I
decided to test this to its fullest
extent.
I would be as distant and outright
blunt as possible and see if it
shattered her frame. I silently
vowed to not be the first person to
leave that table and to see if I could
push this "strong-willed black widow”
so far that she got up and left.
It became a game of Poker™
between OmLaLa, The
Machiavellian Alpha-in-Training
and Diva, The Black Widow.
I started by talking about my
plates. I told her I was fucking 4 other
girls (only 4 are reliable enough to be
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consider “plates”) She didn’t flinch
(damn, thought I’d get her with that
one) so I tried to gauge how long it
took her to calculate her response. A
long damn time. She responded by
telling me she also had 2 other guys
besides me (probably true, considering
how often her phone vibrated in her
purse) but that she hadn’t had sex
with them yet, given the reasons she’d
listed earlier (again, not sure if it was
true, but it honestly that didn’t matter
to me). That was her counteract.
I told her she would continue to talk to
these two men even after we started
fucking. She flinched. I’d assume the
confidence (balls) she thought it took
to predict that fucking was in our near
future seemed to mess with her
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“absolute resolve” (and by absolute
resolve I mean her vagina). Chink in
the armor. Time to prod.
I told her we were fucking tonight.
I stared straight through her and told
her she’d be coming to my place
tonight, she’d wear lingerie, we’d fuck,
then we’d watch Netflix. I expected a
rebuttal of shit tests about how “she
wasn’t that type of girl” or how she
“only had sex with people she dated”.
Instead, she asked me when was the
last time I’d fucked one of my plates
(from damn left field; the balls on this
one). I told her two nights ago,
outside, on top of my car hood (all
true; I was very proud of this one). She
paused (a glimmer of intrigue behind
tht poker face of hers) then she
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counterattacked by saying if we were
to fuck in a few months (as if I’d wait
that long), I’d have to cut off all of my
plates because she’s selfish (now this
is a shit test I can deal with). I respond
with (in my calmest and sternest
tone):
“What makes your pussy so
special? Why would I give up
fucking four women that’ll fuck
me whenever I ask just to fuck
only you when you’re too afraid to
fuck on the first night?”
That did it. Proud women hate being
called cowards, hate being compared
to other women and most of all hate
losing to other women. I’d become a
challenge by becoming someone she
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felt determined to prove herself
(sexually) valuable to; to prove that
her pussy (as she’d been told by other
guys) was worth more than the 4 of
my plates combined (ambitious girl,
gotta give her credit). Game set.
She started to ramble on and on about
all of these kinky, debaucherous things
she’d done (I almost felt remorseful for
her father as she happily recalled
some of these past “events”). I
laughed these off as being part of an
amateur/rookie-level sex game
(amused mastery, fellas). As the lack
of my validation began to frustrate her
(I was actually impressed and excited
to fuck this woman, but I couldn’t let
her see that), she asked what crazy
sex stuff had I done. I made some fake
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sigh with a pained expression (as if it
was so bad and kinky I just couldn’t
put it into words) and told her she’d
simply have to find out tonight for
herself
She was curious and determined.
“Okay.” She stated simply. “I’ll be
there tonight at X. I’ll let you know
when I’m on the way.” She then stood
up, turned way and unflinchingly
walked out the door.
That following evening, I’d assumed
she bailed and that’d be the last I’d
hear from her. But, as sure as sure can
be, there she was on the doorstep in
her Abercrombie sweats and light pink
lingerie. We fucked all last night (I’m
seriously half asleep while I’m typing
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this; worst time to try and quit coffee),
and the whole time during she’d ask
girly things like, “am I better than your
other girls?” or say things like, “I bet
Plate #3 doesn’t do this for you (and
she was right, Plate #3 never did that
for me. Now I know why Kevin seemed
so repressed)”. She was fucking me
to prove a point to herself and I
was just along for the ride. And
what a ride it was.
Several hours later, as we were
clumsily getting dressed at 3 in the
morning, she announced something
along the lines of, “I bet that was the
best sex you’ve ever had. If you would
cut off the other girls, I’ll do that and
more for you.” Now, I could’ve just lied
and given her some false possibilities
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where if she did X or Y, I’d consider
dropping the plates (just to get a few
more sessions out of her), but that all
sounded like way too much effort/work
for one girl. I told her how I felt:
“Your pussy was alright, but it
wasn’t worth giving up the 4 I
have in queue. I like chocolate,
but I like vanilla and strawberry
more.”
As Machiavellian as I am, looking back,
that seemed a bit too deep of a stab to
make unprovoked after all we’d just
done I could’ve said little to nothing
about it, but she just kept prodding me
for validation on her pussy value and I
was exhausted/spent.
She told me to keep my vanilla and
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strawberry or whatever. Then, in her
most calm and unwavering tone, she
called me “the coldest man she’d ever
met” and said she was terrified by the
fact that she liked me because I didn’t
care about her at all. She walked out
the door on that note.
The worst part about it is that she was
right. I’ve become cold and brutal
when it comes to the sexual agenda.
What I once worked on by reading RP
blogs and books has now become a
part of my very being. I felt nothing for
this woman, no remorse as she left
and I wouldn’t care if I never fucked
her again. And that’s just who I am
now. It’s eerie; I can hear my past self
whispering in these types of situations,
but it’s like listening to a child
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comment on what he thinks he knows
while looking over the shoulder of a
man working. It’s both calming and
terrifying, and I know that she felt it.
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"Local Sexy Single
Women" Part 1
by OmLaLa | 15 May, 2015 | Link
Sites like Instagram, Tinder and
Facebook always seem to show tons of
“local sexy single women” living in
your area, yet you rarely seem to see
these “beauties” in any of your
common public venues. The way your
local area is represented on sites like
these, you’d expect to pass hot and
single women all the time, but on a
good day you might pass maybe one
or two attractive women (and usually
with a Chad or beta in tow close
behind them).
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Some of you luckier fellas might’ve
had the opportunity meet one of the
local sexy singles after weeks of online
shit tests, validation donations,
comfort testing picture ratings, lastminute flaking etc. And I’m willing to
bet 5 cents that you were
disappointed with the result (I’m not a
rich man).
These ”local single sexy women”
(which will be referred to as LSSW for
the remainder of this post) are rarely
as attractive as they are in their profile
pictures. They’ll try (keyword here is
“try”) to hide all of their stretch marks,
boob sag, rotten teeth, incorrigible
bodily stench, excessive body hair and
sudden morbid obesity while shit-test
as if they were the WonderTits™ they
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pretend to be.
Unless there’s some Ugly Stick™
wielding (The Ugly Stick™, and please
don’t go beating sexy people with it)
BP vigilante that strikes in the night
(i.e. “The BP Bandit” or the “The
MGTOW Marauder”), these LSSWs are
knowingly and skillfully portraying a
façade of former selves to garner
validation, attention, admiration,
reassurance, the list goes on. And we
as men have allowed them to get
away with it (shame to all you dickwielding members of society, your
ancestors would not be pleased).
So then why do these LSSW go
through all the cropping and
photoshopping and filtering and lens
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flares and brush touch ups to pretend
to be an HB9 then ACT like an HB9
when meeting in-person when it’s so
(very, very) clear that, in reality,
they’re unattractive?
These low SMV LSSW behave, act,
pose, and shit test with the same
ferocity as an HB9 because the current
online landscape has effectively
deluded them into believing their real
SMV is as high as their online SMV (An
SMV, I might add, that is solely based
upon a façade of false/inaccurate
representations of the LSSWs’ current
physical appearance and endless
validation from those who’ve fallen
prey to said façade).
Simply put, the online LSSW mindset is
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synonymous to the “princess effect”;
when women were little girls they
were told they had some non-existent
intrinsic value just for being alive and
female (i.e. “my pussy deserves to be
on this pedestal because I’m different
from everyone else because mommy,
daddy and my beta buddy said so”).
Also, because of the woman-catering
online landscape, these women are
provided an endless supply of betas
and alphas alike that’ll give up
validation by the barrel-full jut for the
slim chance she might open her Pearly
Gates™ (His mind: I’ll keep chatting
until she agrees to a date, Her side: I
must be so incredibly attractive and
valuable to society, all these guys are
chatting me up all day). It gets to the
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point where the woman becomes
unreceptive to all real or obvious
outside negative stimuli that may
require her to change or better herself
(“what do I care what OmLaLa thinks
about my obesity? I have 55 messages
from guys on Tinder that tell me I’m
beautiful this way” “Big is beautiful”).
Today, I’ll be discussing the delusions
of the “sexy, local singles in your
area”, the cause of this delusion
deriving from a multitude of
anonymous and endless beta support,
how this delusion pans out from the
online dating landscape and I’ll end
with a guide (with examples, because I
love you all so much) detailing how to
best capitalize within the online
landscape knowing everything this
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article will discuss.
In order to make this argument as
fluent as possible (these are very large
theologies that I’m trying to
incorporate), we will begin by defining
the foundation of basic TRP principles
at play on the online landscape
(onetis, abundance v. scarce
mentality, SMV, validation v. sex),
then build towards how these
principles interact on a grand societal
level when introduced to elements
exclusive to the online landscape
(anonymity and collective influence
greatly separate online social
interaction from personal social
interaction, but more on that later).
The key factors that we will cover to
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explain the basis and continuation of
the “LSSW delusion” are female
abundance mentality (the limitless
online validation condition), female
perceived SMV, the abundance of
online BP scarce mentality, and
anonymity. We will first build a
character archetype to better illustrate
the average LSSW and her rationale
behind her decisions or lack thereof.
So then, let’s start with Brenda, the
Post-Wall LSSW who, on her dating site
profile, neglects to mention her 4 kids,
jealous husband, cardiovascular
complications, Type-2 diabetes, a
sudden 60 pound weight gain (from no
fault of her own, of course) and a
Netflix/Burger King addiction.
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”Brenda the Overweight Post-Wall
LSSW”
Once upon a time in a land far, far
away (let’s say Virginia), Brenda was
an attractive woman. In her prime, she
was roughly an HB8 (as her profile
picture clearly showed) and she had
garnered tons of male validation and
reassurances due to her high SMV. She
had several male orbiters who would
buy her food, pay for her gas, with one
of the poor suckers even buying her a
car (a 98’ Subaru Legacy, but a car’s a
car when you’re broke and sexy).
What she had –and what a lot of high
SMV people have- was minor social
influence.
Social influence runs parallel to the
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concepts behind the “halo effect”; the
more attractive you’re perceived to be
by others the more people will want to
follow you, the more trustworthy you’ll
seem to them, the more interesting
you’ll seem, the better you’ll smell to
them(sexy people just smell better),
regardless of whether or not you’ve
actually changed at all (this is why
your Adonis-blessed, chisel-jawed,
Hercules-of-a-friend ‘Butch’ and you
could tell the exact same joke in the
exact same way and WonderTits™
always laugh harder for Butch).
It’s not that attractive people ARE
smarter, funnier, more interesting, or
smell better; they are simply
PERCEIVED that way (like all those
times back in high school where you’d
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sit across from the WonderTitsTeens™
and every stupid comment they made
about their stupid cat “Fluffles-orwhatever-the-fuck-they-named-it”
seemed like the most interesting
moment of your lifetime).
In Brenda’s case, the social influence
she controlled would be considered
minor because she only influenced a
small amount of men within a much
larger society. Keep this in mind, it’ll
be on the mid-term.
Unfortunately, Brenda hit the wall at
an early age and at the top of her
prime. She had her first kid (by a
Chad) at the tinder age of 22 with a
new kid following each consecutive
year (all, not surprisingly, by Chads).
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Almost overnight, her SMV had
plummeted (in the same general
direction as her nipples). Her beta
orbiters, not yet ripe and ready for
“picking” (marriage, also considered
the harvest day at the Beta Orchards),
they ran off to orbit circles around the
next HB and left her stranded and devalued.
Normally, a post-wall woman in her
condition (the “lazy, broke, 330 lbs
with 4 kids” type of condition) would
normally scoop up the most desperate,
frumpy, bottom-of-the-bargain-bin-inWalmart beta male she could find (the
type of beta that’ll listen to some
cheap “it’s-been-inside-of you-allalong” motivational crap like ”The
Secret” by Rhonda Brynes) and settle
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down in mundane, frumpy bliss.
But no. Not Brenda.
A common phrase you’ll here echoed
down the great halls of TRP is “past
value does not guarantee future
benefits”. As an RPer, it basically boils
down to “just because WonderTits™
thought your glorious dick would make
a great choking hazard to quell her
sudden and grown need for oral
affixation last year doesn’t mean that
she’s going to babysit your unborn
children in the rocking cradle that is
her throat the following year”. Brenda
was fully aware of her recent decline
in appearance (more like cataclysmic
landslide, but semantics). What kept
Brenda from frumpy bliss –despite
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being post-wall and desperate- was
that she had found a source of HB9level validation that required little to
no work on her part.
Brenda could manipulate her past
value (using old pictures to represent
her “online SMV”) to capitalize on
future benefits (male
attention/validation based on false
online SMV). She then rationalizes
(hamsters) all of this attention as
something she’s deserved because the
pictures her betas are orbiting online
are still pictures/representations of
her.
And so, Brenda creates a Tinder profile
using her outdated HB8 pictures to
attract a collection of helpless and
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desperate betas. The result of
combining mass online scarce
mentality and the betas’/LSSWs’
anonymity leads to the delusion we
discussed earlier.
Let’s move on to Kevin, the “nice guy”
beta-male who desperately attempts
to hook-up with the random LSSWs he
sees on Tinder/PoF/OKCupid, but
always seems to get stuck in mundane
and meaningless conversations about
work, world news, weight and the
weather.
”Kevin the “Nice Guy” White-Knight
Beta Male”
For Kevin, dating sites were a godsend. The only girls he’d ever dated
had either approached him, he’d met
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them through one of his friends, or
he’d meet them by luck or
circumstance (these encounters Kevin
cherished the most, for only fate
could’ve brought them together in
Taco Bell that Wednesday night).
Kevin was single and didn’t want to
wade through another 3 months of
expensive dates, drinks and gift-giving
just for a glimmer of hope to row his
rowboat down some girl’s Tunnel of
Love. He’d heard from Chad and Butch
about the ONS they were have on a
regular basis using these sites, and
Kevin wanted a piece of that action.
Kevin posted the most sincere pictures
he could find (he didn’t want to give
off the wrong impression to these
LSSW) and spent hours typing in great
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detail his entire life summary in the
dating site’s “About Me” section
(they’d want to know how intelligent,
witty, emotionally deep and caring a
guy he was beforehand, Kevin thought
to himself).
Kevin wasted hours upon hours in
chats and messages with multiple
LSSWs, giving them extensive details
about his life goals, careers,
ambitions, dreams, opinions, beliefs
and motivations (because LSSWs
would definitely want to bone a guy
that’s open, caring and comforting).
He’d sit there for hours and soak in all
of the LSSWs’ woes, problems and
opinions while giving them step-bystep advice on how to fix themselves
(LSSW want a problem solver and a
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shoulder to cry on).
Kevin, a guy who –on average- would
only have about 2-3 women to hope to
date (most of which would “friendzone” him after too long or dump him
for being “too nice”), was thrilled that
he now had 15 different potential
girlfriends to choose from, each one
hotter than the last. What seemed
odd, however, was that every time
Kevin would try calling or texting these
LSSWs, they’d rarely answer or cut the
conversation short. He’d try to
call/text them multiple times
throughout his day with little to no
response. When Kevin was lucky
enough that an LSSW would agree to
meet him for dinner, they’d typically
flake and leave him alone waiting for
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hours. Kevin would temporarily grow
bitter and resentful, but in his mind
dating sites were still a better option
compared to his current real-world
situation.
Kevin’s persistence in the online
landscape compared to how his
persistence in the real-world results
from the combination of Kevin’s scarce
mentality* and his online anonymity
within the online landscape.*
For the LSSWs, this online anonymity
is used to gain validation from
strangers and to build an optimal
façade (the online WonderTits™
version of themselves) to gain as
much validation as possible. For betas
like Kevin, this online anonymity is
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used to increase the amount of women
they’re able to approach (not limited
by the fear of rejection/scarce
mentality like in the real-world) and to
optimize how many women they can
converse with at one time thanks to
the internet’s ease of access (i.e. “the
shotgun effect”: offline Kevin could
only focus on roughly 3 women at
once due to the time he’d give
up/money he’d donate whereas on a
dating site, Kevin can converse with
dozens of women at once).
What do you get
When Kevin locks arms,
With nice guys and betas
Who turn up their charms
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To win over a woman,
Whose not what they think.
To put their humpf-humpf-a-dumpfers,
in her rink-rinker-fink?
What you get from a multitude of
Kevins taking this same approach
towards online date is mass validation
for the LSSW (the amount to which
she’d never have received 15 years
ago), major social influence for the
LSSW over a beta populace (as
opposed to the minor social influence
Brenda had as an HB8) and the
delusion of the LSSW that her actual
SMV is as high as her online SMV (“I
must be an HB8 now, so my pussy is
worth the same as those other HB8s”).
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Both the betas and LSSWs may feel
benefited when it comes to online
dating, but the benefits for the LSSWs
are massively greater and it becomes
a societal parasitic relationship.
Now let’s move on to what happens
when our pal Kevin meets the “REAL”
LSSW Brenda.
(Continued in Part 2)
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"Local Sexy Single
Women" Part 2
by OmLaLa | 15 May, 2015 | Link
(Continued from Part 1)
”The Hume’s Law Argument:
When Kevin Met Brenda”
Brenda, while shifting through the
dozens of desperate messages she’s
received throughout the day, happens
upon one from someone she’d
consider “provider” material. He’s how
intelligent, witty, emotionally deep and
caring; all traits she’d want her
husband to have. He spends hours and
hours listening to her woes, problems
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and opinions while giving her step-bystep advice on how to fix them. She
agrees to meet Kevin for drinks this
Saturday.
Before the date, Kevin receives a
barrage of shit tests (“I’m not sleeping
with you tonight, I don’t hook up with
online strangers” and “you better be
who you say you are on your profile or
else I’m walking right back out the
door” and “Ill only show up if we go to
[insert expensive-ass bar name here]
and I don’t pay for my own drinks”),
but Kevin is more than willing to put
up with because he’ll finally be
meeting an LSSW he’d only dream of
meeting before.
Kevin dresses to the 9s, schedules the
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entire date and rehearses his
conversation topics in the back of his
mind all week. He arrives early and
waits anxiously for his HB8 Brenda to
walk through the door.
Unfortunately for Kevin, the Brenda
that arrived was barely an HB3 in even
the dimmest lighting. And what was
even worse, she was rude/demanding
a if she were an HB8.
What we have here is known as the
“ought-is argument”, better known as
Hume’s Law.
Brenda’s idea of what ought to happen
is that Kevin treats her with the same
respect that he did online even though
her SMV is very low because she’s
convinced that he validated her just
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for who she was. Kevin’s idea of what
ought to have happened is that he met
the HB8 he was convinced he was
talking to and that Brenda is expecting
too much for her low SMV(“Why is this
fat chick demanding so much when
she looks like Grimace?”).
This is the key issue with online
dating; less attractive women are
being overly-validated by a mass of
beta males to the point they believe
they’re worth it. Then they will
pedestal their pussy to unrealistic
levels because of their newfound
abundance mentality. On the online
landscape, the unattractive woman’s
SMV means little to nothing because it
can be manipulated.
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What’s worse, the uphill battle an
alpha must fight to plate these women
because of all this (especially for an
actual attractive LSSW, like the
WonderTits™ on Tinder) makes the
online landscape seem unnecessarily
challenging.
But don’t worry my dear sweet RPers,
I’ve worked tirelessly on guidelines an
alpha can follow to overcome this
monstrous discrepancy. We’ll call this
guide:
OmLaLa’s Art of Online War:
Combating the Local, Sexy Single
Women in Your Area
(God, that title gives me the tingles.
Let’s begin.)
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Step 1: Building Your Profile
Become attractive. Before you even
begin with this guide, look in the
mirror. If your glorious reflection
doesn’t give you the tingles, wait until
you’ve obtained your Iron God Worship
degree from the University of Lifting
States. Attraction is non-negotiable;
you CANNOT (can-fuck-mothering-not)
force some unsuspecting woman to
have tingles for you if you’re not
attractive. This isn’t PUA.
Check out The Ladder Theory playlist
on YouTube by FullofScience to learn
more on why attraction is nonnegotiable and how the female/male
brain interpret attraction differently.
Be vain. Before an LSSW even begins
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to read through your bios or message
you about that 9” salami you’re
storing for her in the freezer, she’ll
judge you first based on your pictures.
Pictures that show vanity (shirtless,
pictures with other women, pictures
with multiple women) show that you’re
desirable and why you’re desirable.
Being judged as amoral, narcissistic,
arrogant, etc. is of no consequence
because no one is looking over her
shoulder and judging her based off of
who she likes. She’ll like what she
finds attractive, makes her curious and
seems desirable.
Being vain will also help weed out the
LSSWs just there for validation
(another topic covered later in the
guide) from the LSSWs interested in
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phallically-based amusement park
rides at 2 in the morning.
Avoid being flashy/materialistic.
Even if you’re displaying your Adonislike rippling-ab-like peacock feathers
to attract an LSSW mate, if she sees
provider potential in you, she’ll shit
test to verify it.
Money=Safety/Comfort and
Safety>Sex, so if you’re flashing some
18K Presidential Rolex or a 2015 BMW
M5 Sport on your profile pictures then
you refuse to pay for her Cranberry
Vodka this weekend, she’s going to
feel like you’re giving her mixedmessages. It’s easier to begin with her
impression of you being an alpha and
verifying that belief rather than you
giving the impression of being a good
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provider and fighting an uphill battle.
Physicality first.
Be mysterious. DO NOT put you life’s
works on your profile for all to see. The
more about yourself display out in the
open, the less reason she has to want
to know more. When you watch a
trailer for a movie that you really want
to see, don’t you hate when it gives
away the entire plot? Same shit,
different sandwich. Leave her
something to be curious about.
I personally just put “Ask” in all of the
bio windows on dating sites. It works
wonders on getting the conversation
going.
Step 2: Matching with LSSWs
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Like/Friend/Swipe right for every
woman. Yes, even the fat chicks.
Being picky and studying every profile
before deciding whether or not to
swipe right is far too time consuming
for the Alpha-On-The-Go. Your goal is
to grow the prospect pool as wide as
you can and fish at your leisure. When
the fish begin to bite the bait, that’s
when you can become more selective
(and if the big chicks start bugging
you, you can always block them).
Act on all notifications. Girls are coy
by natural and the online landscape is
no different. Lots of LSSWs (especially
the attractive ones) won’t “like” your
profile for fear of your judgement of
them being too thirsty, easy or
desperate. What they will do is “view”
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your profile (sites like PoF, Badoo,
OKC) and wait for you to message
them. For reasons I’ll discuss later,
feed into this initiation shit test and
begin the conversation.
Only focus on women you can
comfortably drive to. From the
start, never assume that an LSSW will
make any grand trek across the vast
desert sands to meet with some
random online stranger (unless their
SMV is ungodly low). Also, don’t
burden yourself with starting an
interaction with someone 45 minutes
out of your way (you and I both know
you’re never going to make that
drive). L is for Local and if she ain’t
that, she ain’t for you. Move along.
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Nearby Example
Too Far Example
Avoid close-up shots and look for
body shots. Not the drink, the
picture. If she’s actually an attractive
LSSW she WILL have a picture of her
body on her profile. If there is none,
there’s a reason. Point. Blank. Period.
If all of her photos are close-ups of her
face, there’s a reason. If her pictures
are all dark/blurry and you can’t make
out the details, there’s a reason. All of
these things are calculated and LSSW
always put up their best side to attract
the most betas. If you don’t see a best
side or if her face is her only
redeeming quality, she’s low SMV and
not worth your time.
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Avoid the “One-Pic Wandas”.
These LSSW usually just upload one
very grainy/blurry picture of
themselves in their prime 15 years
ago. If this is their only digital
documentation of themselves in
today’s day an age, avoid these
women altogether.
Don’t read her bios They all say
roughly the same thing. Something
something “I enjoy camping and
shopping and Netflix!” Something
something “Don’t message me if
you’re just looking for sex!” Something
something “I’m funny, crazy,
outgoing” …you get the picture. What
they put on there is irrelevant. That’s
for the betas. You’re aiming for
nothing less than her back-door VIP
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access (phrasing).
Check her pictures for
piercings/tattoos. If you really just
want to get your rocks off and want
someone who will probably make poor
short-term decisions in the heat of the
moment, look no further. These are
the women that cheated on guys like
Kevin with the bartender last Tuesday
because, “he was just saying the right
things and my friends just kept buying
me drinks and” blah blah blah. Usually
if she has a full picture of just her
tattoo and you handle it right, a ONS is
a given.
Assume the worst. If you’re looking
at her pictures thinking, “eh, she
might be attractive”, stop that shit. It’s
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a trick or an angle or a lighting
maneuver or photoshop or she’s a
dude named Chuck with a
crossdressing fetish. If she were
attractive, you’d be able to tell by the
tingles around your treestump.
Step 3: Conversing with LSSWs
(Online)
Understand that you are not in
control. So long as you are on a
dating site, you are acting within her
frame. She is overly validated and
assumes to possess multiple options in
terms of men she can meet up with.
Don’t assert yourself, don’t fight her
frame and don’t be too upfront/alpha
until you’ve met this LSSW in person.
Begin the conversation with
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purpose. The absolute worst thing
any self-respecting alpha on a dating
site can do is begin a conversation in
any of the following ways:
1. Some short, bullshit intro like
“Hey” or “Hi” or “Sup” or “What
u doin”. Why is this
unacceptable? You’ve garenteed
a conversation that’ll go nowhere
for at least a few hours talking
about some shit you don’t care
about (oh you’re ‘just chillin’?
What, you’re ‘hangin wit ur
friends’? Gee, that’s
fascinating!).
2. Some clever, insightful comment
on her pictures. Unless you’re at
some Adonis level of sexual
attractiveness to the point where
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women donate their panties to
the Red Cross Association of
[insert your badass username
here], this comes across as PUAlevel game and will be read
straight through. The idea isn’t to
charm, it’s to bone.
3. Some overly assertive response
like “What you doin tonight” or
“Hey sexy”. While you may think
this comes across as alpha, the
LSSW will read it as desperate.
You obviously aren’t getting
much female penetration if you
have to jump straight into sex
talk like this.
Begin the conversation so that you can
judge what she wants right off the bat
and neither of you wastes any time
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beating around the bush wondering.
Example
*Personally, my go-to line is “What’re
you looking for?” or “What do you
want from this?” because based on
her response I know exactly how to
proceed with her.”
Example
Read past the responses she
gives. Using my go-to opening
response (“What’re you looking for?”)
as a basis, there are typically 5
different response types with 5
different levels of interpretation:
1. No response at all. This’ll be the
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most common. She’s not
interested in your lucrative doorto-door salami entrepreneurship.
Time to move on. Example- that
poor sad lonely LSSW..
2. “I’m looking for friends and
nothing more” or “Just friends”.
She’s interested to some degree
but prepare a higher level of shit
tests (based on her actual SMV).
Get her number quickly; the
longer you wait idly by, the least
likely anything will happen.
Example
3. “I’m looking for friends and
maybe something more.” This is
what you want to hear. It means
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she wants the salami you’re
selling, you’ll just have to pass
her Standardized Shit Tests
before she makes a purchase.
It’s the most realistic answer
you’ll receive. Example
4. “Depends on what you have to
offer.” She’s ready to buy on the
spot, but use caution. A shittestless green light from an
LSSW means you should tread
lightly. Example
5. “A fuck buddy.” “Someone to
fuck.” These come across on rare
occasion. USE EXTREME
CAUTION. This could either be
the luckiest encounter of your life
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or a death sentence. Example
Example 2
Be succinct and brief. Just like
before when you were filing out your
bio, don’t give too much away in a
chat on a dating site. What you might
interpret as a “healthy conversation”
or “going well” is actually her sucking
the validation right out of you. Most
LSSW with Level-3 responses will ask
all the questions; it’s your job not to
ask them back.
Example
Another Example
Avoid making your sentences longer
than hers. Rarely use punctuation. Use
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“U” instead of “you” or “R” instead of
“are”. It’ll show her you’re not overly
obsessed with hooking up/women in
general and it’ll strengthen your
chances later down the line. Trust me
on this.
Lots of guys are hard-wired to put
‘You?’ on the end of our responses like
“I’m doing good. You?”. Don’t do that.
Let her propitiate the conversation
awhile. It’ll show to her that you’re not
like every single guy online she’s met
whose endlessly/needlessly interested
in what she’s doing/eating/watching. If
you’re going to ask her a question, ask
her. Don’t repeat her questions back.
That’s boring.
Example
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Be upfront but not too upfront. If
she asks (which she probably will in
Level-2 through Level-4 responses) let
her know what you want from her in as
calm a way as possible. If you want a
woman to have sex with then watch
Netflix (something I say a lot because
the one things girls love more that sex
is Netflix), tell them that without
sounding desperate. If you’re not
looking for commitment, be upfront
about that. She’s respect you for it, I’ll
respect you for it and if she keeps the
conversation going AFTER you specify
sex and Netflix is all you want from
her, you’re in the green.
Example
Example of OmLaLa and LSSW being
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honest with each other from the start.
What you don’t want to do is come off
as abrasive. As alpha as an abrasive
approach is in person, in the online
landscape your anonymity plays
against you; it’s far too easy for a beta
male to feint an abrasive nature and
you’ll be pegged as a pretender.
My go-to upfront phase is “friends and
maybe something more” for Level-2
and 3 and “someone likes sex and
Netflix as much as me” for Level-4. My
don’t go-to phrase was “Someone to
fuck/hang with”. See how one is too
straightforward?
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"Local Sexy Single
Women" Part 3
by OmLaLa | 15 May, 2015 | Link
(Continued from Part 2)
Recommend. Don’t tell. Don’t ask.
Avoid phases that begin with “Do you
want to” or “Can you” or “Is it okay if”
or “Are you able to”. These are beta
mating calls and she’s peg you as one
in a heartbeat.
Also, avoid being too demanding with
phrases like “Do __” or “Meet me __”
or “Give me __” or “Tell me __”. You’re
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disguise.
Your best bet are phrases like “Let’s
do __” or “When you’re free, let’s __”
or “I’d like it if you could __” or “We
should try __”. These are
recommendations to her while still
being the commanding alpha she
wants you to be.
A good phrase to close with would be
“Let’s get together sometime” or
“Let’s hang out and be friends”. If she
responds favorably, follow by asking
for her number.
Example
Yet Another Example
Another Example?
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Examples fo’ Days, y’all
Never, ever, ever double text.
Don’t do it. Double texting means
death for you. No matter how you
mean for it to look, she’ll immediately
interpret it as a desperation move to
get her attention, thus killing your
chances. Don’t do it, no matter what
you may feel.
Get her number quickly. Don’t let
it drag on for more than a couple
days. The longer she keeps you
online, the longer she’ll only consider
you a source of validation. You don’t
exist to her until she’s seen your
Adonis physique with her own beady
little eyes. If you feel her interest via
the way she’s responding. Say
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something along the lines of “Let’s
hang out sometime. Send me you’re
number”. Now prepare for the hardest
step.
Example
Step 4: Conversing with LSSW (InPerson)
This will be tough, this will take
practice and some of the things I’m
going to recommend to you may not
seem RP. Just bear with me and trust
that I have your best interest at heart.
Begin with logistics only. Once
you’ve got her number, towards the
end of that day (wait too long and
she’ll forget who you were) set up a
meeting place and time. Make the
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place convenient for you (reasons why
later) and don’t make it too long of a
wait (remember, you’re nobody until
she meets you in person so that’s your
goal).
Expect the First-Date Flake and do
not punish for it. This may seem
counter to RP theology, but in the
framework we’ve defined for the LSSW
mindset, it makes sense. Here is an
Adonis of a man who may actually be
a WonderDick™ or a creppy beta
poser. She both hamsters that “maybe
I’m not enough” and “maybe this
guy’s some creepy pervy beta” and
her hamster implodes from the stress
of it all. It could also be considered an
high-level SMV woman shit test
coming from an LSSW filled with
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validation. So she bails.
How to address this:
Once the time/place have been set, do
not reach out to her again. If you don’t
hear from her at all before the
scheduled time (for me, roughly 1 hour
prior) go about your day as if it never
happened. If she calls with a “where
are you?”, tell her you never heard
from her or that you got busy and
you’ll raincheck (she’ll love that; too
bust for Brenda? Impossible). If she
doesn’t show, don’t message/text her
for roughly a week, reach out and try
again. Most times (for me, anyway)
they’ll show up for the second
encounter.
Show no love. Act as though you
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have 10 better places to be than here
with this LSSW, no matter how
attractive she is. She’s showing up at
this venue expecting you to fawn all
over her. Do the opposite. Look away,
look at other women, address her as if
she’s unattractive. Act disappointed
that this is what you’ve waited for. Ask
her a question then act aloof/lost-inthought when she answers. Treat very
shit test (because they will come) as
an annoyance; as if she has no right to
ask you these things (now don’t say
these things out loud, just show them
through your behavior).
Slowly, you’ll notice her frame begin to
drop as she tries to figure out what
you don’t like about her and
wondering if all this validation she’d
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received was for naught. Now she’s in
your frame.
Change venues. This is a classic PUA
tactic, but it works just fine here. If
you’re over 21, take here to a nearby
bar (I usually meet them at a
bookstore near my apartment with a
nice day bar across the street).
Be crude and make her feel prude.
One fail-proof way (at least for me) to
convert a LSSW to a plate quickly is to
talk crudely, be taboo and make her
feel like she’s too prudent. For
example, once we’ve moved to a bar, I
ask her to openly talk about ex, then
we talk about her fucking her exes,
then we talk about me fucking my
plates, so on and so forth. Use words
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like fuck, dick, ass, pussy but with a
stern and emotionless expression like
it’s no big deal to you (this helps keep
any future sexual encounters casual).
Ask what her sexual fantasies are. Ask
if she’s ever been in a threesome. But
you HAVE to stay nonchalant about it;
if you look too excited about the whole
conversation, she’ll mark you as a
perv. Once you’re done talking about
fucking other people, talk about
fucking each other. Tell her how you
like to do it vs. what she might like. If
she shit tests you over your fetish,
stay behind it. Trust me, she’ll
remember what you like.
Be willing to let her walk away.
Another common shit test I’ve seen
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from LSSWs is that they will threaten
to get up and walk out if you say
something they don’t like. Let them.
Please. Just let them. In the back of
your mind, you might think, “Damn, I
followed OmLaLa’s guide and now I’ve
made it all this way! I don’t want it all
to go to waste over some dick
comment.” Well champ, she’s put in a
lot of time to get to this point too, and
I’ll be damned if some comment about
your glorious dick is going to make her
actually walk out. Remember, most
times it’s just a hollow threat to see if
you’ll flinch. If you don’t flinch, you’re
Grade-A beef, buddy.
From this point on, TRP should be able
to guide you. A good amount of kino,
escalation and frame should close the
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deal fairly quickly. And if it doesn’t, at
least for the next encounter she’ll
know exactly what you want.
Online Landscape Synopsis
The guide’s research took place across
the span of just over 3 weeks. Below is
a breakdown of various information
gathered from the study:
Plenty of Fish (PoF)
Most matches to LSSW (roughly
75 matches towards the time of
the article’s posting)
Above average level of shit tests
(just about every first in-person
encounter was littered with
them)
Easiest/most frequent ONS
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(within 2 weeks roughly 12
different LSSW with more
scheduled for next week)
Average LSSW to Plate
conversion (roughly 40% of ONS)
Average HB rating of first
encounter with LSSW (roughly
between HB4 and HB7)
Highest number reception after
extended online-conversation
(roughly 80%)
Average ignore rate from LSSW (I
don’t have a number for this one,
but average compared to other
sites)
Highest rate Day 1 bangs (4 out
of the 12 ONS were the same
day the LSSW’s number was
received)
Below average Catfish
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occurrence (i.e. the posted
picture’s SMV is lower than
actual SMV)
Over-all Rating: High
Tinder
Low-Below Average matches to
LSSW (roughly 18 matches at
time of article’s posting; few and
far between)
Least amount of shit tests
(surprisingly, once matched and
a conversation starts, the
success rate jumps significantly)
Below Average ONS (2 ONS
within the two week span, 2
scheduled for next week)
Average LSSW to Plate
conversion (again very
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surprising; although many
matches haven’t become sexual,
over text a FWB relationship has
been pre-established with 5
LSSW)
Highest HB rating of first
encounter with LSSW (roughly
between HB7 and HB9)
Below Average ignore rate from
LSSW (again, although matching
is difficult, once matched the
success rate jumps significantly)
Below Average Day 1 bangs
(Only 1 on the same day the
LSSW’s number was received)
Lowest Catfish occurrence (i.e.
the posted picture’s SMV is lower
than actual SMV)
Over-all Rating: Average
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Badoo
Below Average matches to LSSW
(roughly 20 matches at time of
article’s posting)
Highest level of shit tests (both
online and in-person by far)
Low-Below Average ONS (1.5
ONS where the .5 was a sexual
act with no intercourse, none
scheduled)
Low-Below Average LSSW to
Plate conversion (1 low-grade
plate gained; HB5)
Below Average HB rating of first
encounter with LSSW (roughly
between HB3 and HB6)
Below Average Day 1 bangs
(Only 1 on the same day the
LSSW’s number was received)
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Above-Average Catfish
occurrence (i.e. the posted
picture’s SMV is lower than
actual SMV)
Over-all Rating: Below Average
OKCupid
Low-Below Average matches to
LSSW (roughly 5 matches at time
of article’s posting)
Above Average level of shit tests
(both online and in-person by far)
Lowest Average ONS (1 ONS)
Below Average LSSW to Plate
conversion (1 plate gained; HB6)
Lowest HB rating of first
encounter with LSSW (roughly
between HB2 and HB4)
Lowest Day 1 bangs (it just didn’t
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happen)
Highest Catfish occurrence (i.e.
the posted picture’s SMV is lower
than actual SMV)
Over-all Rating: Low-Below Average
Researcher Character Profile
• OmLaLa is over 6’0”, non-white,
goes to the gym 5-6 times a week for
1 hour, and used the same shirtless
picture as his main profile picture on
every dating site.
• OmLaLa met with LSSWs every-day
between 630-100AM (my poor sleep
schedule) after leaving the gym.
• OmLaLa met multiple LSSWs each
day including the weekends (and had
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sex with multiple LSSW multiple times
a day; there were no threesomes).
• OmLaLa roughly met all LSSW at the
same 2 bookstores (Barnes & Noble)
and escalated to the same 3 bars, all
within 10 minutes from his home.
• Most sexual encounters occurred
either at OmLaLa’s residence (my
roommate thinks I’m some sort of god
for this) or in a public venue (i.e. stall,
parking lot, car, broom closet, locker
room, drive-thru, behind a grocery
store, etc.)
• OmLaLa used protection for ever
encounter (please do the same;
there’s no telling who you’re actually
sticking it into).
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• OmLaLa did not pay for a single
drink, coffee, meal or gym access
throughout the duration of this study (I
had some LSSWs meet me at the
gym).
• *The events of “Poker with Black
Widows” took place during the
duration of this study (Diva the Black
Widow was met on PoF several months
prior, so her encounter is not listed in
the results).
• OmLaLa rarely mentioned his job, his
income, and hid any overly-expensive
items in his apartment (for safety and
anti-provider reasons).
• OmLaLa did not message, sleep
with, or purposely encounter any fat
chicks for the duration of this study (if
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I did, this study would be
meaningless).
• OmLaLa is very sore and tired at the
time of this article’s posting, so
OmLaLa will most likely be taking a
long break from sex and women (it
was fun for the first week or so, but
now it’s all just so predictable)
• OmLaLa went to be tested on 5/13
for any sexually transmitted diseases
(please, please be careful guys; I’ve
done this so you don’t have to).
• OmLaLa is terrible with MSPaint
which resulted in very ugly example
pictures being uploaded to Imgur (I
didn’t realize Imgur had its own editing
software until my roommate pointed it
out. My roommate was a big help for
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this article. He’s not RP, but if he
becomes RP one day, I hope he see
this and says, “Yeah, I helped make
that with OmLaLa.”)
• OmLaLa’s roommate is not “Kevin”
(Kevin and Brenda are not real people;
they are character archetypes built to
represent a greater sub-populace).
• OmLaLa visited r/holdthemoan for
locale ideas (there was a post on TRP
about making porn your reality and I’d
always had a thing for exhibitionism;
keeping that level of fulfillment helped
me slosh through the last week
without seeming half-hearted.
End Note
There is not a woman alive right now
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that could tell me their pussy is worth
anything after how many different
women I’ve been with in just 3 weeks.
After a while, it all seems the same.
The novelty of that “new pussy smell”
fades quickly; there were a lot of times
I’d have really mundane sex with an
LSSW and just wish I could visit my
plates and have guaranteed good sex.
Yesterday, I has sex in the
handicapped bathroom at my gym
with an LSSW I met on PoF at 7:00, left
the gym, met up an LSSW I’d met on
Tinder at 9:30 in some abandoned
parking lot near the mall and fucked,
then met up with another LSSW at
11:30 behind a convenience store near
my place and fucked. I didn’t enjoy
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any of it.
I’ve been tempted several times to
drop the whole thing altogether
because I was bored with working for
something I already had an abundance
of. It may be a passing feeling, but
right now I’m bored with women.
Absolutely bored. And the more bored
I get, the more aroused they get. It
honestly fucking sucks.
What sucks more is that because I
don’t run off of validation from others,
I don’t enjoy this victory in the
slightest. It all felt like such a chore
and now I’ve got a phone full of LSSWs
that I’ve got to figure out what to do
with. I don’t text, they call. I don’t
answer, they call more. Luckily, I have
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two phones but lately I’ve had to put
my personal phone on silent.
While this will be a god-send to some
of you RPers out there, this has been a
hellish epiphany for me. The more
bored and tired of sex I actually
become (as opposed to pretending not
to want it), the more it’s offered. So,
on that logic, in order to have the
harem I dreamed of in high school, I
have to be disgusted by the thought of
it. What’s having as much cake as you
want when the thought of eating it
makes you sick?
I won’t be doing this again.
P.S.- Here’s a gem of a woman I ran
into on my quest for online
“knowledge”.
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"Such Is My Nature"
by OmLaLa | 22 May, 2015 | Link
This is an original tale by yours truly,
OmLaLa the Machiavellian. There are
multiple TRP lessons within this
parable and its message is open to
your interpretation. I’ll leave it up to
you, the RPer, to decide what this
parable’s really about. Best of luck.
“Such is my Nature” by OmLaLa
Once upon a time, there was a female
carpenter named Lily.
Lily's carpentry abilities had been past
down to her by her mother. Her father
and brothers were farmers and spend
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most of their days working out in the
fields. Lily had recently completed her
training and felt she could now build
herself a home she could call her own.
So, when Lily became of age, Lily’s
mother decided to send her off into
the vast, unknown world to build an
amazing and beautiful home for
herself.
Lily quickly packed up her tools and
left her mother's care in search of the
perfect place to build such a home
with the skills her mother had taught
her.
During her long search, Lily came
across a beautiful and plentiful field of
Clay. The Clay was soft, formless and
could easily be sculpted to support
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whatever requirements Lily's dream
home may have. Lily saw much
potential in the Clay.
So Lily spoke with the Clay, telling the
Clay of her dreams and aspirations as
a carpenter, of the extravagant home
she’d set out to build, and asked the
Clay if it would be willing to act as her
home’s foundation.
“Of course you can build your
extravagant home upon me!”
exclaimed the Clay, “I am malleable
and easy to shape. You can easily
mold me to best suit the needs of your
beautiful home!”
And the Clay was right. Lily easily
formed and molded a wonderful
foundation for her beautiful home. She
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was able to stack, shape and mold the
Clay with little resistance.
The malleability of the Clay allowed
Lily to add more and more
extravagance and beauty to her
dream home. The Clay happily
reformed itself over and over as Lily’s
plans became more and more complex
and robust with every passing day.
Finally, Lily had built the most
beautiful and magnificent home she or
the Clay had ever seen. She reveled at
the thought of living happily ever after
in this magnificent home for the rest of
her days. The Clay, possessing no
shape or form of its own outside the
home’s foundation, was pleased that
its malleable nature had helped in the
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creation of something so beautiful.
And then the Earthquakes came.
It didn’t take much for Lily's home to
crumble; under the smallest signs of
stress, the Clay reverted back to its
doughy, shapeless form because the
Clay knew no other way to exist.
Shapelessness was in its nature.
Lily’s beautiful home was gone in a
matter of seconds.
“This was no fault of my own,” the
Clay haughtily declared, “had the
Earthquakes not come, you would still
have your beautiful home.”
“I cannot live in constant fear of the
Earthquakes” explained Lily. “I cannot
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rebuild my home after every
Earthquake and I cannot build upon a
foundation that’s so easily swain.”
Yet the Clay refused to give up its
malleability. “Such is my nature.”
replied the Clay.
And so, Lily left the beautiful and
plentiful field of Clay in search of a
more stable foundation.
After some more searching, Lily came
across a bountiful and fertile field of
Dirt. The Dirt was tough, rich with
substance and could be used for more
than her home’s foundation. Lily saw
potential in the Dirt.
So Lily spoke with the Dirt, explaining
what occurred with the Clay, told the
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Dirt of her dreams for a beautiful
home and asked if the Dirt would
become shapeless like the Clay.
“Nonsense!” declared the Dirt. “I
would never falter so easily in the
presence of the Earthquakes! Worry
not! You’re much better off building
your house upon me!”
Lily then asked the Dirt if she could
make use of its rich and fertile nature
for her crops and gardens.
“Of course, dear child! Of course you
can plant your seeds here!” boomed
the Dirt, confidently, “Plant whatever
crops you wish! My fertility knows no
bounds!”
Trusting in the confident words of the
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Dirt, Lily began building her beautiful
home once more.
The Dirt was right, it wasn’t malleable
and shapeless like the Clay. However,
the Dirt’s lack of malleability made it
difficult for Lily to mold with the same
ease she had with the Clay.
Lily toiled and struggled and strained
and pushed and shoveled the Dirt as
best she could, but in the end the Dirt
would not form into the perfect
foundation her first extravagant home
had required.
Lily was able to build a less
extravagant –yet still beautiful- home
upon the Dirt.
She was still happier with the Dirt, for
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she no longer felt the constant fear of
the Earthquakes suddenly collapsing
her new home. The Dirt was happy as
well, for through little effort of its own,
it now had a beautiful home built upon
it.
Lily soon began to plant her crops and
gardens and used the Dirt’s rich and
fertile nature to nourish her seeds. The
Dirt was compliant at first, but only for
awhile. The Dirt did not want to
continuously give up its rich and fertile
soils for nothing in return.
“Water!” the Dirt arrogantly
demanded. “If you are to use my
fertility to plant your crops, I demand
water!”
“You made no such demands before I
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built my home,” Lily explained,
shocked by the Dirt’s abrupt demand.
“I have brought only enough water
myself. Had I know sooner, I would
have brought some for you.”
“All Dirt requires water! Such is our
nature!” scolded the Dirt, “Your father
was a farmer. Surely he taught you
that!”
Lily was displeased with the Dirt’s
sudden and abrasive nature, but
having already built her home, she
hesitantly went off to fetch the Dirt
some water.
This continued week after week and
the Dirt’s thirst for water became
more and more unquenchable. Lily
became tired and aggravated, but at
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least she had a home that would hold
firm when the Earthquakes eventually
came.
And then the Earthquakes came.
The Dirt was able to hold firm to some
degree, but Lily was forced to
constantly maintain and repair the
Dirt’s foundation with each passing
tremor. And once the Earthquakes
finally subsided and Lily's
maintenance and repairs were
complete, the Dirt would begin to
angrily chant “Water, water, water!”
once more.
After weeks trudging this exhaustive
and repetitive process, Lily couldn’t
bear it any longer.
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“Enough!” Lily cried out one day,
tossing the water aside. “I have to do
all of the work while you just sit there
and beg for water! You are too needy
and demanding!”
“I need water. Such is my nature.” the
Dirt half-heartedly replied.
“You can’t even provide a stable
foundation without my help!” shouted
the flustered Lily.
“You asked for me to be more firm and
stable than the Clay. I have done this.
If you require even more stability, I will
require more labor and water from
you. Such is my nature.”
Frustrated to the point of anger, Lily
abruptly abandoned her home in the
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bountiful and fertile field of Dirt in
search of a less demanding
foundation.
Tired and jaded from her previous
experiences, Lily came to a wondrous
plateau of Stone. The Stone was solid,
unwavering and firm. Lily saw
potential in the Stone, but had now
grown skeptical.
Lily approached the Stone.
“I require a strong foundation on which
to build my beautiful home” she told
the Stone. She then explained the
extravagance of the home she’d
planned to build on the Clay.
“I can provide you the strongest
foundation possible and you will never
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fear the Earthquakes again," began
the Stone, "but I will not alter myself
for such unnecessary extravagance.
Such is my nature.”
Lily was disappointed that her home’s
beauty must be abandoned, but Lily
valued her home’s stability overall
other things. Lily agreed.
“I would like to utilize your rich and
fertile nature without the need of
constantly providing for you in return.”
requested Lily. She then explained the
crops and gardens she’d been given
by the Dirt in exchange for water.
“I can provide you with no such
luxuries” replied the Stone, “but I will
require no such upkeep or
commitment. I am the way you see me
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now and I will remain this way for
decades, regardless of whether you
build your home upon me or not. Such
is my nature.”
Lily was again saddened that her crops
and gardens would be abandoned, but
she admired the self-sufficient nature
of the Stone. Lily agreed.
“May I build my home upon you?”
asked Lily, willing to sacrifice the
extravagance, crops and gardens.
“It makes no difference to me,”
yawned the Stone, “build wherever
you’d like. I am indifferent and
unaffected.”
So Lily built her home upon the Stone.
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Her home was nowhere near as
extravagant as the home she’d built
upon the Clay, nor did she have the
luxuries of crops and gardens she’d
had with the Dirt, but the stability of
her home and the Stone’s independent
nature made her happiest of all.
And then the Earthquakes came.
Lily's home remained completely
unaffected. Just as the Stone did not
succumb itself to Lily, it did not
succumb under the stress of the
Earthquakes. Lily couldn’t feel the
ground move beneath her feet. The
Stone snored loudly through most of
the tremors.
And Lily couldn’t have been more
happy.
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The Stone did as it pleased most of the
time, but when the Earthquakes came,
Lily knew her home was safe and
steadfast. Lily could have left in search
of another foundation at any time maybe one that provided her more
malleability or one with rich and fertile
soil- but for now Lily chose to remain
built upon the Stone.
The Stone wouldn’t have cared if she’d
left. The Stone’s had many carpenters
build their homes upon him; some
staying longer than others. But the
Stone required no sustenance from
these carpenters and the Stone gave
them a strong foundation through no
effort from them or of its own. the
Stone was just content existing.
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Such is its nature.
THE END
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"The Man-Eater"
by OmLaLa | 4 June, 2015 | Link
I lost.
All of the frame-building, lifting,
meditation, eating right, IDGAF
attitude, objective thinking and
Machiavellian thought processes could
not have prepared me for the maneater. Just like a regional chess champ
playing the Grand Champion in
disguise, I was completely out of my
league and due to my own ego and
hubris I failed to respond the tell-tale
signs of my own impending demise. I
had the proverbial rug swept from
beneath my feet before I even knew
what Game I was playing.
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On Monday, I met with a regionallyrenowned stripper it’d met on a dating
site. We’ll refer to her as ”Delilah the
Man-Eater™”.
Although I’d only just begun hanging
with Delilah, she and I had gone to the
same high school years back. Back
then, she was what you’d probably call
a PlainJane™. She was easily
forgettable, sported an average
appearance, wore dull and drab attire;
she was that wall-flower that always
seemed to blend back into the
tapestry. After high school, due to a
lack of options and poor grades, she’d
gone military. It was there that a
handful of drill sargeants and basic
training had sculpted her into a
masterpiece of a figure from her
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doughy box-like frumpish frame. Upon
returning to civie life, she’d heard
about the easy money and fast
lifestyle of stripping through an old
friend that we’d mutually known (who
we’ll introduce later). Before she knew
it, she was making thousands a night,
flying to Dubai and snorting cocaine
off of diamond trays in the passenger’s
seat of lime green Lamborghinis.
And Delilah was beautiful. There was
no rating scale for her. She’s the type
of woman considered betas
nonexistent and the alphas as
providers-to-be. If there is two things
she had in abundance, it was men and
money.
While we sat in the bar together
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playing pool and discussing our pasts,
I mentioned how it was odd that I’d
never seen her on social media before.
“I don’t really see the point.” she
sighed, pulling out her phone. “It’s the
same thing every time.”
Delilah then showed me her PoF
account. Her messages had reached a
whopping 99+ (most of which were
unread, of course), her matches were
at 99+ and her views were at 99+. All
from Monday. Then she let me browse
around.
Her inbox was a graveyard of pick-up
lines and thirsty attempts from men all
over the county (some of which I
recognized). In that inbox I saw every
corny one-liner, neg attempt, sly
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compliment, PUA phrase, one-worded
approach, desperate self-degrading
remark and peacock line I’d had ever
heard, seen, or thought to myself.
These guys were from different races,
appearances and walks-of-line and
every one of them was being ignored.
I remember thinking, “Wow, all of
these reek of desperation”. Every one
of them. Maybe it was the sheer
volume. Maybe it was the lack of
confidence in their profile pictures.
Maybe it was the blatant peacocking
or low self-image or overcompensation efforts that oozed from
their replies. But in 1-2 messages and
one picture, it all communicated…
insecurity.
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I asked her why out of all of these
messages, she’d picked mine out.
“Your message just was so… forceful.”
she replied retrospectively. “I thought
it was kind of hot. Plus I knew you from
before so I thought, ‘what the hell’.
And, well, here I am.”
“Come hang out with me Monday.”
That was my message. Then I told her
where and when. Two messages. That
was all it took to out-maneuver my
waves of competition.
NOTE: Avoid asking a woman
questions as often as possible. Out of
Mark Manson’s Models, I believe this is
one of the most useful pieces of
advice. Instead of asking “what are
you doing this weekend?” say “Come
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out with me this weekend.” Use
periods. Be short. Be demanding. Be
authoritative. Trust me.
She downed 3 double-shots of
Hennessy like spring water then
confessed that she was bi. She
recently had a threesome with her
best friend and her ex-alpha last
month and liked it. She told me she
was now actively pursuiting women as
well.
She then showed me her “other” PoF
account.
Same shit, different gender. 99+ all
around. What was really interesting
about this account however was who
was flirting with her. I saw various
messages from one of my plates, my
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friend’s current girlfriend (I laughed
openly about this one), a girl in my
social circle and a past fling of mine.
How peculiar.
She paid for both our drinks (roughly
$60, more on this later) and wanted to
meet up with a female friend of hers. I
obliged. We hoped in my car and sped
down the highway.
Minutes before we arrived, she asked
me to pull into a gas station. I was
running low on gas, so again I obliged.
While I pumped, I noticed her pulling
out a large amount of money from her
purse. A very large amount of money.
“How much cash is that?” I inquire.
“Uhh, 9 grand I think. I haven’t
counted it in a few days.”
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She was casually walking around with
$9,000 dollars in cash in her purse. I
was stunned.
“What?” she remarked after seeing my
expression. “ I made $5300 of this last
night off of just one guy. He thought
he was going to fuck me. Poor thing.”
she cooed, poking her bottom lip out.
She gave me $100 for gas and told me
to keep the change.
I went inside to piss and buy a drink. I
came back outside to a white Civic
parked suspiciously close to my car. A
burly gruff-looking guy in a white wifebeater was swearing loudly out his
window at Delilah. Delilah through
money at him and it scattered
throughout the Civic’s interior. I went
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over to see what the hell was going
on.
On my driver’s seat sat a bag of
cocaine. A very big bag of cocaine.
The most cocaine I’d ever seen. She’d
called this poor sap to deliver this
large quantity of drugs to her like a
pizza delivery boy and was
purposefully short-changing him,
regardless of the 9K in her purse. The
guy have driven 40 minutes to find
her.
Now drug-use usually doesn’t bother
me, but this was ridiculous. I was livid.
“Well, I knew you wouldn’t take me to
him (she was right), so I told him to
come to me. I really needed a fix. I’ll
give you half.”
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I passed.
She then proceeded to cut lines on my
iPad and snort in public. I scolded her
for being reckless with my iPad.
“I’ll buy you a new one” she halfheartedly sighed. She stuffed $800 in
my glove compartment.
’I have no power here.’ I thought
to myself. She knows she can do
whatever she wants and buy me
off and I was willing to let her. I
was her prostitute. OmLaLa the
sugar baby. No frame or physique
in the world could overcome such
raw independence.
I was curious. I asked her what she
needed me for if she has all this
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money and influence.
“Dick and company.” She replied
simply. “I also know you’re fucking
Plate #3. She told me over PoF when I
brought you up.”
Dammit, Plate #3 you beautiful bitch.
You may have inadvertently gotten me
laid.
I told her in that case we should just
go back to my/her place and fuck.
“I don’t need dick yet.” she sighed. “I
just need company.” She put another
$200 in my glove compartment,
holding eye contact.
There it was again; my time, attention
and validation was being whored out. I
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was no ordinary prostitute. I was a
validation prostitute. And I let it
happen. But who could blame me?
$1100 for my time seemed well worth
it. So I let the cocaine thing slide and
we went to meet her friend at a
nearby bar. We’ll called her Jezebel.
I remembered Jezebel. She had gone
to our high school too. She has since
went through a marvelous
transformation, similar to Delilah’s.
And Jezebel was beautiful too. On
terms of solid attractiveness, I felt
outmatched by these two. Jez and
Delilah often went ‘strip club hoping’
up and down the coast together and
had been tight for years. Jez was upset
because her boyfriend had gotten
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locked up for drug trafficking and she
was too broke to bail him out (I believe
she had a serious drug addiction, but it
was hard to tell).
Delilah whipped out another large sum
of money and nonchalantly passed Jez
enough for her man’s bail. She also
gave Jez two months of her rent.
Delilah then turns to me and passes
$100 under the table.
“A man always buys the drinks.” She
whispered coyly and winked. I felt
dirty.
We bought round after round of shots
then we piled into my car and drove
out to some large abandoned grocery
store parking lot.
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I smoked (bad habit, I know) while I
drunkenly watched Delilah and Jez do
line after line of coke and other drugs
while dancing in front of the car’s high
beams and listening to Lil Wayne over
maxed-out speakers. I was so far out
of my zone that I’d become nothing
but a passenger on their drug-induced
adventure. We all laid on the hood of
my car and watched at the stars. We
eventually made out for a while before
I drunkenly proposed we go back to
my place.
“Okay.” Delilah purred. “But no sex
and noooo kissing.” Jez giggled.
We got to my place and me and
Delilah started kissing. Jez silently
backed towards the wall and watched
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us intently.
Delilah the stopped abruptly and
backed towards the wall next to Jez.
“Okay, here’s what we’re gonna do.”
Delilah chirped happily. She hands her
phone to Jez.
“Jez is gonna call Kevin to come pick
us up.” Jez made a disgusted face at
the sound of Kevin’s name, so I’m
guessing they weren’t close. “Kevin
doesn’t live far from here. You have
until Kevin gets here to fuck Jez. And
I’m gonna watch.” Jez’s face remains
solemn. They’d planned this out from
the start.
Jez drunkenly admitted she had a
thing for me in high school and wanted
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to live out some fantasy of hers. I
drunkenly obliged.
I start with Jez and the timer begins.
Apparently they both also had some
partner swap/watching fetish too,
because Jez was very “in the moment”
and Delilah touched herself vigorously
by the door.
As wonderful and passionate as the
moment was, within 20 minutes a car
pulled up by my apartment, bass
shaking the windows. Mid-thrust and
with an annoyed moan, Jez jumped off
of me (sundress, no underwear),
brushed herself off and silently walked
out the door. I just sat there, confused.
Delilah hugged me goodbye. “Don’t
worry,” she purred. “We’ll do this
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again sometime.”
She kissed me, groped me and shut
the door behind her. And that was it. I
sat there, my dick literally in my
hands. I wish I had an RP moral or
lesson for you all, but even now, 3
days later, I have no idea what exactly
happened.
As simple and anticlimactic as that
night was, it humbled me. I know what
a true “devil’s daughter” is like now.
The type of woman that sees men as
mere tools, manipulative and
analytical by nature. She had tricked
me to fuck Jez just like she had tricked
her drug dealer, her PoF orbiters, the
sap in the strip club; she saw what she
wanted from me and got it in a
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calculated and strategic way.
Maybe Delilah’s a Machiavellian too.
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"The Power of Horny"
Part 1
by OmLaLa | 2 June, 2015 | Link
Dear RPers,
This will be a multi-part article across
the span of a few weeks. They will
each cover a different topic, but are all
built around a central theme. I hope
you all enjoy this one.
I’ve increased my productivity at work
three-fold. I’ve maxed out my bench.
I’ve cold approached 3 attractive
women within the past 48 hours, have
their numbers, and am effectively
working them into plates. I just hit on
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Clair from McDonald’s (I needed a
cheap lunch today) and she brought
me my food with her number crudely
scribbled down on a napkin.
All of this resulted from me being
horny.
I’ve gone the past 2-3 weeks with no
sex and no masturbation and I have
very high libido. Just as TRP advises
you to use your anger and fear to your
advantage, your horniness are can be
just (if not more) effective.
In these articles I will discuss how
complacency inhibits the full utilization
of your libido, how porn and
idealization come into play, why I’d
advise you to stop masturbating over
limited masturbation and how to use
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your over-charged libido to fuel your
cold approach.
Brace yourselves, gentlemen.
JACKING OFF TO GirlsGoneWild™
COMMERCIALS AT 1 AM
In order to build a good framework
around this subject and to make this
article a bit more personal, I’d like to
take a minute and talk to you all about
my extremely awkward and illinformed sexual adolescence.
In my sexually-charged youth, my
father never gave me what you might
call a real “sex talk”. We went to go
see a movie one evening, he turned
off the radio and it went a little
something like this:
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“OmLaLa, mah’ boy, sex…well, sex is
nice. It’s real nice. Son… it’s fuckin’
great. Like, damn… damn son. But,
eh… you gotta… you gotta wrap that
shit b’fore you tap that shit, you know?
Or you’ll get stuck. Stuck wit’ kids an’
a crazy ass woman. You want kids,
son?”
“No, Dad.”
“Do you want a crazy ass woman,
son?”
“Uhh, I don’t think so.”
“That’s mah boy. Yah can’t jus’ go
around fuck’n every Sarah n’ Sally,
son. I rememb’r this one chick from
college…”
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And then he went on for the next 20
minutes talking about the crazy
women he’d banged in college. Do this
day, it’s one of the more memorable
“talks” my father has given (he really
sucked at lectures, but he’s a good
dad all-in-all).
My school was no better; they decided
teaching abstinence over sex ed was
more politically correct, so we sat in a
classroom of guys for an hour each
day while our awkward gym teacher
lectured us on not doing things
without telling us what they were.
“Don’t do anal or oral. 'S still sex and
c’n give yah diseases.”
Shows picture of diseased penis
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Classroom loses its fucking shit
“Teacher, uh.. what’s anal and oral?”
“Don’t worry about it, kid. Jus’ don’
fuggin’ do it, alrigh’?”
“Yes sir.”
“Now who wants’ta see what HPV c'n
do to’a grown man’s scrotum?”
Class loses its fucking shit again
And so, I had but one place to learn
from: the internet.
During my adolescence, my family
possessed this wondrous and archaic
form of primitive web browsing called
“dial-up” internet (for you younger
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readers, this was before DSL. For you
even younger readers, this was before
Wi-Fi). It would take anywhere from 10
to 25 minutes just to load up one
website (no lie). I started with pictures
(which defined for me what
WonderTits™ is supposed to look like),
but when we finally got DSL installed I
upgraded to videos.
Going in, I knew little to nothing about
sex (outside what you hear around the
lunch table, but they didn’t know
either). I remember watching my first
videos thinking, “so this is what I’m
supposed to do with girls”. I was pretty
sheltered. I remember losing my
virginity with some chick from the
softball team in some electrical
janitorial closet in my school’s
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cafeteria thinking the sex would be
just as intense and charged as it was
in those videos.
It wasn’t; we switched positions
every 30 seconds, the condoms kept
drying up, she kept drying up, we were
scared for our lives someone would
come in, and I knew nothing about the
anatomy of the vagina, so I kept trying
to bend her in unrealistic ways.
And I’m sure a lot of you RPers reading
this have some stories similar to mine.
In today’s digital age, many of us
(and many men around the world)
were taught about sex from porn
or pornographic material due to
the weak or non-existent sex
education in schools (teaching
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abstinence is not the same as
teaching sexual education) and a
lack of “sex talks” from our
parents.
What makes matters worse, we’re
constantly pressured to do “it” without
ever being properly told what “it” is or
how or how long or is this right or does
this feel good or is it too small or does
that hurt or why is she bleeding or its
too dry.
We are all taught by porn. And porn is
a lousy fucking teacher.
GIANNA MICHAELS AND SASHA
GREY WERE YOUR SEX ED
TEACHERS
Porn has does two things to our
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subconscious: it sets our sexual
standards and causes sexual
complacency.
The complacency issue I’ve covered
previously in Dopamine; porn is a
business that profits from how turned
on it makes you and how many times
you come back for more (like candy or
Mcdonald’s or a video game). This is a
dopamine addiction that causes
complacency which in turn limits you
from actively pursuing sexual release
from other places (i.e. actual sex).
What I’d like to discuss further is how
porn has effected your expectations of
sex and women subconsciously. I’ll
explain:
In the past, if you’re being honest with
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yourselves, I’d assume at some point
in your lives you’ve thought that the
WonderTits™ in the yoga pants over
there working out on the elliptical
wanted to drag you into the nearest
broom closet an bang your pretty
brains out just because she gave you
an extra second of eye contact.
Now why did you think that? Has that
ever happened to you before? Sure,
your friend Brad says it happens to
him all the time, but have you ever
seen it happen? No? Well, then where
did you get such a livid imagery from?
Or maybe you’ve seen WonderTits™ in
Bi-Lo buying a loaf of WonderBread™
and you suddenly thought that if you
went over there and bent her over the
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dairy section she’d willingly allow it
and onlookers would cheer you
onward to climax.
Well now, that just sounds like rape.
But it didn’t look like rape in your
head. It looked awesome in your head.
You’d cum on her face and everyone
would cheer and it’d be great. Right?
Maybe, you’ve tried something you’ve
thought you’ve always wanted to do.
You had sex in a crowded movie
theatre while watching The Avengers
because you’ve always had a thing for
exhibitionism. But in reality,
positioning her was a nightmare, she
was too dry to quickly slip into, the
whole time you were terrified of
getting caught, your $40 jeans are
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now covered with soda and butter
stains, she was getting too loud so you
had to stop be for climaxing, and
you’ve missed a third of a movie you
were dying to see.
But this was your fantasy, right? It was
supposed to be this wild, sexuallycharged thing. Why was it awkward?
Why was it more difficult than you’d
imagined?
There is oft a disconnect between
what you want sexually and what you
think you want sexually. Again, porn is
designed to be as visually stimulating
as possible. That’s why folks that
frequent porn develop such strange
and unexplainable porn fetishes (you
know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
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Be honest with yourself here).
Because many of us were brought
up by porn, we are subconsciously
conditioned to learn and adapt
our sexuality to porn. In turn, we
develop “fetishes” we think we
want based on our viewing habits
(I watch a lot of bondage porn so I
must love BDSM) that aren’t true
to our real sexual desires. Porn
fetishes and kinks, although in
some cases correlated, are never
the same thing.
In short, just because you’ve suddenly
started watching a bunch of Asian
porn that doesn’t mean you’ve now
got yellow fever.
Kinks or “real fetishes” are
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psychologically constructed from a
number of outside factors. “Porn
fetishes” are simply that; strictly
restricted to porn. The mistake is
made when we lose the ability to
differentiate the two.
Porn has the same influence for your
expectations for horny women. We
believe, subconsciously, that a woman
who really wants to sleep with us will
approach us and behave in the
manner we’ve seen in porn. This is
because for most of us received more
insight on sex from porn than the
actual act itself (I know I’ve watched
more porn than times I’ve had sex,
had I’m willing to bet you have too).
As an example, let’s say you’re
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watching a YouTube video to learn
how to drive a stick shift instead of
actively attempting to drive stick shift.
Okay, so you may be better prepared
than if you’d be if you just jumped in
and started pulling levers and mashing
pedals. Fine. Great. But you’ll finish
that video with some preconceived
notion of what driving a stick will be
like without taking into account that
the business that made the video
feeds off your views, the guy teaching
in the video is not you, the car he’s
driving isn’t the one you’ll be driving,
he’s a professional and being paid to
teach you, you’ll probably choke the
first time you try, the video probably
never brought up the difficulty of hills,
the clutch point is different in every
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car, there’ll be no one there to hold
your hand for the real thing and if you
wreck due to the video’s
misinformation it’ll all on you and your
insurance and not on the video. Now
imagine how much simpler all that’d
be if you had your dad or an driving
instructor guide you through driving a
stick beforehand instead of watching
that video.
Let that sink in for a second.
In Part 2, we’ll go into masturbation
abstinence and how to channel it to
benefit other facets of your life. Until
then, RPers.
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"The Power of Horny"
Part 2
by OmLaLa | 11 June, 2015 | Link
Dear RPers,
In our last installment, we discussed
the damage porn inflicts upon or
subconscious in terms of sexual
perception and the complacency it
causes through its limitless availability
and sexual fantasization for profit. We
also discussed how for our generation
most adolescent sexual upbringing is
self-orchestrated to a media designed
to and which thrives from continued
use, and how many of the sexual
expectations we’ve developed during
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our period of adolescence are founded
upon unrealistic or uncommon realworld practices further hard-wired into
our psyche by our continuous use of
the media.
In short, if Disney causes of our
ill-conceived notions on love,
Pornhub causes of our illconceived notion on sex.
What we will be discussing today are
ways in which abstinence from
masturbation can be weaponized and
used in your daily encounters with
women, we’ll touch on how womens’
perceptions of men alter through
abstinence from masturbation and
how it affects the tell-tale “inaction
rationalization i.e. male-hamstering”.
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In Part 3, we’ll begin comparing active
approach v. passive approach in terms
of masturbation, we’ll touch on further
monitoring and controlling your PAT
and we’ll discuss in-depth a topic that
is commonly discussed indirectly on
TRP but has been rarely addressed
forthright: radical polarization (as
opposed to standard polarization).
ADDENDUM
Before I begin, please remember to
approach what is being discussed as
objectively as possible; the necessity
of porn and constant masturbation
have been hardwired to your psyche
at adolescence, so some of the topics
that will be discussed may seem
difficult to swallow. Just as you’ve felt
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oppression when introduced to the
truths behind love, women and the
societal miscommunications on both,
you’re first reaction may be to lash
back out of frustration. This is a
normal and understandable response.
Porn and masturbation addiction are
both dopamine-addictions, as are
drugs, alcohol or nicotine. A
depravation or endangement of any
dopamine stimulants will elicit such a
response. Remember, however, to
regularly practice your restraints and
mediations of masturbation even after
reading this article; a one-time
attempt at regulated abstinence
doesn’t provide a cure-all for
dopamine addiction, one AA meeting
doesn’t a sober man make.
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BRAZZERS, NOW AVAILABLE IN
PINK!
Men need sex. Women need
validation.
Men supplement their lack of sex with
masturbation, which in turn is
supplemented in unlimited quantities
through porn. But how do women
supplement their validation between
male encounters?
Women haven’t made it out of our
digital age without the digital age
unscathed and without some form of
socially-ambiguous digitally-based
dopamine addiction; for women
Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, PoF,
Tinder, OKCupid, Fling, Tango, Tumblr,
Vine, YouTube, Twitch, KiK,
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SeekingArrangement, etc. are all
social playgrounds in which women
have their need for validation satisfied
through the limitless validation
availability for women, a businesscrafted fantasization and idealization
of relationships, the desires of the men
validating them and through their own
fantasized version of their SMV (i.e.
the belief that men in real life will
pursue them to the degree online men
will r that their real-life SMV matches
their online SMV just as we discussed
in “Local Sexy Single Women: Part 1 &
2”).
Sound familiar? It should.
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fulfillment provided by porn,
women are addicted to the instant
and limitless need-fulfillment
provided by social media. And just
as it creates a complacency in
men not to pursue real sex,
women's addiction creates a
complacency to not make
themselves pursuit-worthy.
The difference between each genders’
addiction comes forward when each
gender's false addiction-created vision
of reality meets real-world
applications. A complacent, lowerthan-her- potential SMV woman can
still get real-world validation from a
higher SMV male due to the feminist
social landscape and “macrosociological beta mindset” created
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within.
In this landscape, even high-value
men will validate low-value women
because the intrinsic value of pussy is
ungodly high (due to the two
addictions we just discussed).We can
consider the woman’s addiction
healthy: she receives constant
validation from every facet of her life;
she can get validated from men in her
social circles, supplement it with
online validation through social media,
there’s no negative societal stigma
towards validation addiction among
women and the fantasy created by
social media addiction is rarely
combated as men will alter themselves
to match said fantasy, albeit with
ulterior motive (in some cases, society
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supplicates this fantasy through media
like movies, music and TV by
describing it as normal or “expected”).
As a man we aren’t so lucky. We can
consider a man’s addition
unhealthy: he only receives constant
sexual release from one facet of his
life (his addiction), his intrinsic value
towards pussy is raised (due to
scarcity), the fantasy derived from his
addiction is aggressively rejected by
real-world experiences/societal norms
and –although common practice
among men- his addiction is
negatively perceived by society (i.e. a
girl can openly talk about how many
friend requests she's received this
week, but he can’t openly talk about
how he spanked it five times to Back
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Door Sluts 9).
What’s worse, by supplementing his
lack of sexual release through women
by masturbating, the necessity that
drives him to pursue real-world sex
declines. It becomes a want and no
longer a need.
The amount of rationalization
supporting his inaction will also
increase. Below are some examples of
rationalizations (i.e. ”malehamstering”) commonly displayed by
a complacent male (think to yourself
how many of the following you’ve told
yourself at any given time):
“She’s not THAT hot. I can find
much hotter than her." (she’s
actually hot)
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“She looks like a bitch. I don’t
want to put up with her attitude.”
(un-grounded remark)
“That’s probably her boyfriend
beside her. I don’t want to step
on any toes.” (fear of
confrontation)
“She probably doesn’t like (insert
character trait here) guys” (selfdeprecation)
“I’m probably not her type. She
probably likes (insert subculture
here) guys.” (meekness)
“She’s out of my league. I’m not
good enough for her yet.”
(unnecessary bar-setting)
“I’d go up to her, but I don’t want
to come off as a creep.” (fear of
polarization)
“I have nothing to say to her.
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We’ll have nothing in common.”
(lack of depth)
“All girls who wear (insert brand
here) are (insert stereotype
here).” (generalization)
“I’ll wait her to give me a sign.
When she does (insert weirdly
specific IOI here), I’ll go talk to
her.” (impossible scenario
creation)
You must convert your “want” for
sexual release back into a "need".
Next we’ll discuss how complacency
through masturbation is
communicated to women and how the
necessity of sexual release becomes a
great weapon. Speaking of weapons…
A GUN AIN’T S___ WITHOUT
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BULLETS
Okay, so let’s say your strolling along
on some bright and sunny Wednesday,
and a robber jumps out from the
shadows. You’ve never left home
without your trusty pistol, but because
you’ve never actually needed it until
now, you don’t have bullets in it.
You know that it's empty, but the
robber doesn't. You brandish your gun,
holding it up to his stupid mug.
At first the robber’s impressed by your
preparation for his assault and is
fearful of your unwavering resolve. But
then he starts to see through you. He
notices your hands are shaking. He
sees you’ve begun to sweat. He sees
your finger’s not on the trigger. He can
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sense the fear in your eyes. He can
sense your lack of conviction.
He calls your bluff, robs you blind,
takes your wallet, runs off and spends
your hard-earned dough on a bunch of
stupid shit like shopping, make-up,
pedicures and nail-polish. I think your
getting my metaphor now (just to beat
you over the head with it, it’s a
metaphor on gaming women).
Brandishing a gun only gets you so far;
if the robber is in-experienced
(young/virgin) or scared-themselves
(insecurity) or unarmed (unattractive)
or weak (overweight) or psychotic
(psychotic), just pointing your gun at
them might work. But let’s face it, you
want the type of gun that’ll intimidate
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(give tingles) to even the most
opposing (sexy) of adversaries (hotass fine women).
Consider your “gun” as the
metaphorical representation of your
SMV (or a phallic metaphor if that's
your thing). Now consider every day
you abstain from masturbation as a
bullet in your “gun”. The more
“bullets” you load, the more powerful
the "gun", the more intimidating you
feel.
‘Feel’ is the keyword here.
Not every robber will see your brand of
gun as imposing, but it's not the gun
that counts. Your imposing demeanor
should come more from you wielding
the gun than the gun itself. The gun is
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just there to compliment that
demeanor with hard evidence
Even if you're wielding some toy BB
gun from Wal-Mart, if you hold that toy
gun firmly and with confidence, your
conviction and the mystery behind the
gun’s true/unsaid nature will be
enough to intimidate any robber (to
beat you over the head again, it’s a
frame metaphor).
Without bullets however, feigning
is only a temporary solution. Fear
always shines through when your
gun is empty, and the smaller the
gun the more fearful you’ll
appear.
As impressive as your Desert Eagle or
Beretta may appear, whether it's from
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an engraving, customization or even a
gold-finish, it won't make a difference
if the robbers aren’t afraid of you or if
they question your resolve. More
importantly, a robber’s not going to
pull the trigger for you. The most you
can ask for is that they make
themselves an easy target.
As we discussed earlier, masturbating
removes the need for sexual release.
While in some cases that might be
seen as a good thing, if one is actively
pursuing women or would like to
enhance the frequency or efficiency of
a current sexual relationship, it can be
a crippling vice.
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destructive is when it is both
regulated and porn-free (I can’t
stress that enough).
Next, we’ll discuss both the Predator
and Observer approaches to
masturbation and masturbation
abstinence.
“HUNGRY V. STARVING”
In the comment section of the
previous "Power of Horny" article,
some people compared