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An Organizing Basic Keep Self-Interest in Mind

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An Organizing Basic: Keep Self-Interest in
Mind
By David McDowell
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One of the important shifts I made as an organizer was the day I stopped asking people
“Why are you doing these things that are bad for you?” and learned to ask “Where do
you want to go, and how is what you are doing now going to get you there?” This
simple change in how I related to my leaders opened up a world of conversation
around the tension between what they said was in their self-interest and how their
actions may reflect a different notion of self-interest. These conversations gave me a
place to begin challenging them, based on what they wanted for themselves.
Everyone operates out of self-interest. Everyone asks the question “How will this
(action, choice, event) impact me, my family, my people,” a hundred times a day, often
subconsciously. This is a basic survival mechanism. In fact, not to think this way would
be a breach of responsibility to yourself, your family or your community.
For an organizer, understanding a person’s self-interest – as they themselves see it –
helps us engage and involve leaders. It provides us the information to challenge and
agitate someone based on what they want for themselves. The conversations we have
with leaders, thinking through how they see their own self-interest, can also move
someone from a narrow definition of self-interest (what matters to me) to a broader,
more communal definition (what matters to us, on our block, in our church and in this
city).
Understanding the self-interest of an institution helps us move through that institution
with respect and organize in a way that builds the institution, creating more energy
and resources for them to draw on instead of being just another drain or distraction for
an already overworked leadership. It allows us to help an organization reach its goals
and become the organization that the leaders want it to be. If we don’t understand
what that institution aspires to be, we risk acting as though the institution is simply a
resource to help our own organization win on issues of importance to us, like
immigration or predatory lending.
Understanding the self-interest of our targets (people in power who we want to
influence) gives us important information on how to move them in our direction. If we
understand the self-interest of a powerful target, we are in a position to negotiate with
them instead of simply asking for their help. It also tells us what matters to them and
who they listen to, so that we can figure out how to put pressure on them to respond
to our community’s needs.
Self-interest versus exploitation
Dr. Jose Carrasco, who was a senior organizer with the PICO National Network at the
time, once told me that if I don’t know what my leaders’ self-interests are, then I am
exploiting them, because I am not intentionally helping them meet their own selfinterest, but rather am using them to meet mine. And since most of our leaders are
being exploited by others in so many different ways, we have an almost sacred
obligation to not exploit them in the slightest, even in the name of good. Organizers
challenge or agitate leaders around the differences in the world as it is versus the
world as it should be, as the leaders see it.
● Agitation is about the difference between where people are now and where
THEY want to be. (Organizing around their self-interest)
● Exploitation is about the difference between where people are now and
where I want them to be. (Organizing around my self-interest)
Any organizing that does not meet the self-interest (or needs) of those being
organized, as they see it, is not just unethical, it is doomed to fail.
From narrow to broad
A central question for an organizer working to build a community is “Do the leaders see
their self-interest narrowly or do they see their self-interest broadly?” An example I
can give is:
Frank lives on a block with his many neighbors. One day the house across the street is
burglarized. If Frank’s response is only, “I don’t want what happened to that guy to
happen to us. I’m getting a burglar alarm and I’m putting bars on my windows,” he is
operating out of a narrow self-interest. It’s hard to criticize those actions because he is
not acting selfishly but rather acting to protect his family. But he only sees actions that
impact directly on his family. The chance that the alarm and window bars will make his
block and ultimately his family safer is extremely low.
On the other hand, imagine Frank’s response as, “Juan, whose family lives across the
street, had his house burglarized yesterday. He is a good neighbor and I like having him
on my block. He looks out for my property when I am away and my kids play with his. I
don’t want him, or my other neighbors, to move away because if they leave then this
block will be worse for my family. I need to help keep this from happening to others on
this block.” Frank is still operating out of his own self-interest, but he’s seeing it more
broadly. He sees how actions affecting other people have a direct impact on what he
holds dear. It is in his self-interest to keep Juan as a neighbor and he wants to respond
in a way that protects his neighbors so they remain on the block, because having them
there protects his family as well.
Another way to look at it is:
● If you are not in relationship with others, you define self-interest very
narrowly: me, mine, etc. (Isolation-separateness).
● If you are in relationship with others, you are much more likely to define selfinterest broadly: we, ours etc. (Community)
Whose self-interest?
Everyone moves out of self-interest. One of the points to challenge people on is, “In
whose self-interest are you operating out of, yours or someone else’s?”
A broad-based constituency, whether for a politician or a specific commercial brand or
even an organization, can be formed by working with the constituency’s self-interest
or by manipulating the constituency’s self-interest. One is ethical and the other is not.
● Oil companies don’t have huge economic power because they produce oil –
● They have power because it is in my self-interest to buy oil. And honestly, I
act like it is more in my self-interest to burn oil than have a clean
environment, creating a real tension between things I hold important (my job,
time and convenience vs. a future with a clean environment and
diversification of species). This tension makes me really vulnerable to
challenge or agitation about my choices.
● Nike doesn’t have huge economic power because it makes sneakers –
● It has power because people feel it is in their self-interest to own those
specific overpriced sneakers (manipulated through advertising and celebrity
endorsements).
We need to work with our constituency’s self-interest rather than trying to get them to
buy into ours. And as organizers we need to look to challenge them where we see
inconsistencies between what they say is important and what their actions tell us really
matters to them.
David McDowell is the Senior Organizer for the Southwest Organizing Project in Chicago.
This paper is a personal reflection on self-interest authored by McDowell for the use of
SWOP staff and other organizers, leaders and allies. It is a synthesis of concepts and ideas
developed by many organizers over time. We absolutely encourage the free flow of ideas to
advance the art of organizing, so feel free to reproduce this reflection for your own use. If
you have a chance, please contact the author at the Southwest Organizing Project and let
him know how you are using it.
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