Copyright 2013
EDITOR: L ROBINSON
EDITOR IN CHIEF: KATHY ROBINSON
HATTON FARM TOUR
ECO AIR TOUR NUMBER 4
We’ve heard from the Everglades Foundation as to the state of the
Everglades, we’ve seen the re-direction of the Kissimmee River designed to
help clean up the storm water runoff from Orlando south, and US Sugar has
provided us a glimpse into how they are being good stewards of the land.
Now we have another excellent opportunity to gain an inside look at one of
the largest vegetable farm operations around Lake Okeechobee.
If you are going to attend only one function this season, I would suggest you
do this one. R.C. Hatton Farms farms thousands of acres around Lake O.
If you eat at Burger King, McDonalds or Taco Bell in Florida, you are likely
to be eating the products grown on these farms. We will be privileged to
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witness the harvesting of crops and packaging of those crops during our
tour.
Mr. Charles Wilson will be our private tour guide during this exceptional
opportunity. Mr. Wilson was Vice President of US Sugar’s South Bay
Growers vegetable growing operations.
He possesses encyclopedic
knowledge about vegetable farming in the Glades area. It doesn’t get any
better than this for a tour guide.
We will plan to
congregate at Belle
Glade Airport in
January.
From
there we will tour
one of the Hatton
Farms and witness
the
harvesting
operations.
After the farm tour,
we will again return
Belle Glade Airport
to
and have lunch with Willie Lee
and Bart Perryman, our hosts
for this unique once in a lifetime
opportunity. Willie and Bart run
a crop protection service in Belle
Glade. After lunch, we’ll depart
to the Hatton packing house in
South Bay for a close up and
personal look at the vegetable
packing operation.
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Before, during and after we catch a glimpse into the operation of this major
vegetable farm, we will also be privy to hearing what they are doing to be
good stewards of the land and protecting the Everglades.
Upon completion of this extensive ground farm tour, we will once again go
airborne and head for Indiantown X58 on a Southern route around Lake O
and over the EAA (Everglades Agricultural Area) where the nation's food is
grown in the Winter and STAs (Storm Water Treatment Areas) which
incorporate the overall CEPP (Central Everglades Planning Project). The
State of New Jersey will fit within the Everglades and that is why flying over
the area is so important to the understanding of how all the pieces of the
restoration puzzle fit together. Many of you will remember the last three
years of our Eco Tours over the Everglades have been designed to help
educate our low and slow pilots and passengers about how each of these
projects fit together with the CEPP. The leadership science on all this is
offered by the Everglades Foundation together with its partners in
restoration. The ultimate goal is restoration of our water system both in
quality and flow from which we receive our drinking water and must insure
the health of our natural habitats and quality of our food. It’s Americas
Everglades
and
our
fresh
water
source
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This year Dave Hirschman Senior Editor of AOPA Magazine and AOPA
photographer Chris Rose, Photographer will be joining us for the journey
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and to tell the story. They plan to get some shots of our low and slow planes
touring the Everglades and describe how we utilize aircraft to understand
the
breadth
of
these
types
of
important
projects.
Just prior to landing at Indiantown we will view one of the latest South
Florida Water Management/U.S. Army Corp of Engineers projects designed
to clean up Lake O water before it is discharged into the eco system via the
St Lucie River. (Lake Okeechobee currently has two massive drain valves,
the St Lucie River to the East and the Caloosahatchee River to the West
which drew lots of media and legislative attention this Summer with the flood
rains filling Lake Okeechobee too fast causing massive releases damaging
both
estuaries)
The C-44 Storm Water Reservoir is nearing completion of Phase 1. Water
from Lake Okeechobee will be routed into this vast reservoir for slower
release
and
nutrients will be
allowed to settle out
and be absorbed by
plant life in order to
mitigate
damage
the eco system
downstream of the
lake.
After an aerial overview of the project, we’ll alight at Indiantown for overnight
tie down of the aircraft. Be sure to bring tie downs. The historic Seminole
Inn will come and get us from X58 and shuttle us to the Inn. They will also
provide transport back to the airport upon our departure.
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We’ll have a fried chicken or roast beef buffet dinner with all the trimmings
at the Inn that evening. At the dinner we’ll hear from the owner of the Inn
about the history of the establishment and Indiantown. If you are coming
from afar, you might want to stay at the Seminole Inn on Friday night? Or,
there are motel/hotels in Okeechobee if that suits you better.
TAMING THE TAILDRAGGER
John Lumley
Ring, ring, ring. “Hello?”
“Hello, I am calling in regard to the tailwheel training you offer.”
“OK, how may I help you?”
“I am interested in getting my tailwheel endorsement. What kind of aircraft do you use, how
long will it take and how much do you charge?”
“The hourly cost is $139.00 in the Aeronca Champ including fuel and instructor. It normally
takes about 10 hours to do a thorough training syllabus so the student becomes competent
and confident in all operations of conventional geared aircraft.”
“Well, that’s interesting. But I am a graduate of Embry Riddle. I went from zero to hero in
minimum time, I have an ATP and am flying a corporate jet and have over 5,000 hours. So
with those qualifications, what will it take me to get my tailwheel endorsement??”
“You are still looking at 10 hours in the aircraft unless you have flown tail wheel aircraft
before.”
“That seems a bit high considering it’s just a light aircraft and I am already a qualified pilot.
You may be doing overkill on your training course. I will come out next week and start
training with you and I am sure I will only need a couple of hours and I will be good to go.”
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This is an actual conversation with a potential student. They usually show up with
clodhopper boots and their new ZULU (dingleberry capable) headset and their iPad with
world wide approach plates, XM weather, latest stock tips and the movie de jour. Man, I am
getting old.
“OK, off with the boots and you will fly in your socks. Next time come with light footwear so
you can feel the airplane. The iPad stays in the Hummer.”
“OK, here we go. Uh, where is the starter switch?”
“We have an Armstrong starter!”
And so the story goes.
While all accomplished pilots have developed suitable skills to fly aircraft they have trained in
and similar others, the conventional geared aircraft offers a few challenges that tricycle
geared aircraft do not. Our beloved Champs, Cubs, and Taylorcraft airplanes are expensive
weathervanes. Proper ground operations require understanding on how control surface
input provides better and safer handling. Tricycle geared aircraft are not as likely to ground
loop as they have the luxury of a steerable nose wheel.
Take offs are more challenging in a taildragger due to P factor on higher HP airplanes. Once
the tail is up we become ballerinas on the rudder pedals. The most common mistake new
students make is to make a rudder correction and not return to the neutral rudder position.
They start divergent oscillations and it gets worse with each rudder input as they are behind
the curve, like shooting Skeet when you get behind the clay target!
Correct-neutral-correct-neutral, correct-neutral and this dampens out the divergent moves
and gives you a good average track down the center of the runway.
Three point landings are usually pretty simple to become proficient at; however, one
common mistake is that the student is reluctant to bring the stick fully aft. Even if they
eventually do, they release back pressure and the tail frequently lifts off the ground.
Understanding and repetition are the key elements to mastering this skill.
Wheel landings are the most interesting. Patience is the virtue students need to develop to
avoid the unavoidable bounce and go around. They often get set up properly with a flare and
increase in power and are poised to grease her on from the current height of one foot or so
above the ground. Wait, wait, wait for the wheels to start rolling. Apply forward stick
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pressure and retard the throttle. Rudder-correct-neutral-correct-neutral and the rest is easy.
However we go back to the wait, wait, wait, to the I have waited long enough, and PUSH
forward on the stick and the resulting bounce creates a 2.4 on the Richter scale. If the
runway is long enough you can reject the landing, establish a new landing attitude with
power and make another try. Otherwise go around. Computers are good at saving a
bounce, humans are not. Check the AIG crash statistics and porpoising from a bounced
landing is a HUGE crash factor with new students.
The last two students I had both were signed off with tailwheel endorsements and neither
could do a satisfactory wheel landing. It took hours of round and round and they finally got
it. And that is exactly what they say. “I finally got it”. Not their fault, but now they are no
longer apprehensive about flying their taildraggers. We are the best judges of our own skill
level and after years of training in GA and the airlines, I know I will always have something
new to learn to keep my patootie out of trouble.
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WHAT IS A CUB?
A Skycycle or a PA 22 Colt are certainly NOT Cubs. The J-2 is most definitely is a Cub and the
foundation upon which the line was built. But, where does the break occur between Cub and the
rest of the line? That’s a question that has arisen more than once. So, we went to the source for
an explanation. So, with the help of Dana Osmanski of The Cub Club we solicited help from
Roger Pepperel, the official Piper Historian, and here is what he had to say.
In 1948:
PA-15 Vagabond was sold with a logo on the vertical tail saying “Piper Cub Vagabond”.
PA-17 Vagabond Trainer was sold with a logo on the vertical tail saying “Piper Cub Vagabond Trainer”.
Evidence is Piper publicity photographs and an engineering drawing.
So for one year only (1948), Piper appears to describe the Vagabond as part of the Cub family with the PA-11 “Piper Cub
Special” & PA-12 “Piper Cub Super Cruiser”. No doubt that this was done by the marketing/sales department or even by
top management to ensure good sales of the new model, the plane that saved Piper.
So, the debate is now settled. The PA 15 and PA 17 ended the Piper Cub line.
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GRASS ROOTS AVIATION
It all started this way. So, why not continue to the tradition? We in the Florida Cub Flyers
are attempting to keep the flame alive by continuing to fly at the grass roots level. Low and
slow, enjoying the liberating sensation of flight and the awe of seeing the ground from above.
All at an altitude and speed where you can actually define detail. This is REAL flying, not
sitting in a silver tube of one sort or another.
The Florida Cub Flyers was founded during the one of the most challenging economic
situations since the Great Depression. We’ve flourished and established a sound
membership foundation that provides good financial footing to fund functions that will attract
new members and grow the organization. To that end, we have the membership contest
underway.
The very best way to encourage Cub owners to join our fun is through existing members.
We ALL have a pretty good idea who the Cub owners are in our immediate vicinity. A face
to face encounter is the best introduction to the Florida Cub Flyers, Inc. You have something
immediately in common with the new potential member. Ask them to join you to attend one
of our functions. Fly to the function in a gaggle. Make sure you host them properly once at
the function and introduce them around so they don't feel like a "fifth wheel". Get me their
email address so that I may put them on the newsletter distribution list so they can see what
they are missing.
The membership contest will run until the end of February. The member who sponsors the
most “new” members will win a gift certificate for breakfast for four at Chalet Suzanne. New
means not previous members of FCF. Your name must appear on the membership app as
the sponsor to count.
Bob & Lee Blankenship have already scored one point in the contest as they sponsored
JJaayyssoonn && CChhrriiss O
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Willie Lee is in the running having sponsored
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Tom Clark has joined the hunt for the Chalet Suzanne breakfasts with the membership of
Harry Hughes-Legend Cub-Port Orange, Florida.
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John Moreland sells ‘em and then enlists the new owner to join FCF,
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Waalltteerr ““BBuudd”” CCaarrllssoonn- Carbon Cub-The Villages, Florida.
Cal Reynolds joins the fray for the four Chalet Suzanne breakfasts.
CClliinntt && TTrriicciiaa G
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What has set us apart from all the other aviation organizations is the fact that we are focused
on a particular sub set of aviation. We share a common bond in that we fly Cubs of one kind
or another. On purpose we've taken this path for a number of reasons that have been
enumerated over the years but will not again be dealt with herein. Our By Laws have been
created to solidify, in writing, our path.
Quite frankly, if you're looking for an aviation group that serves the broad spectrum of
aviation, The Florida Cub Flyers is not for you. We are a group totally devoted to the Cub, in
all it's forms.
Our functions are designed to entertain the membership and potential membership. The
club treasury is allocated to this cause and funds our events. We are not and do not intend
to try and entertain the general aviation population. We'll leave that up to EAA, AOPA and
others.
Join us and enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow Cub devotees.
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FLORIDA CUB FLYER
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239-248-8632
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Carl Miller – Immediate Past President
727-713-8001
carl.miller@bellsouth.net
Sarah Tyler – Secretary/Treasurer
954-8094840
tcubflier@bellsouth.net
Pat Connell-Director
352-457-1838
Patconnell8400@gmail.com
Frank Noble
863-467-5209
Frank_amynoble@yahoo.com
Larry Robinson-Executive Director
561-732-3250
Beyeview@aol.com
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All information contained herein is believed to be correct. However, it is intended to be for informational purposes only and is not to
be relied upon. You are reminded that Federal Air Regulations Part 91 places primary responsibility for ensuring the airworthy
condition of an aircraft on the owner or operator. Any person who maintains, modified or otherwise changes an aircraft must do so in
accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations and all applicable FAA regulations. You should independently verify any of the
information contained herein. No warranty is expressed or implied.
The Florida Cub Flyers, Inc. does not project or accept any responsibility for participation by readers of the “Cub Tales”, non
members or members at fly-ins listed in this issue. This publication is produced as a medium of communication for those Cub
enthusiasts and members of The Florida Cub Flyers, Inc.
The Florida Cub Flyers, Inc. is a 501C6 corporation incorporated in the State of Florida. It’s purpose is to promote the preservation,
restoration and safety of flying Cub aeroplanes. Membership in FCF,Inc. is open to all “Cub” owners, whether or not the
airplane is airworthy. A Cub is defined as an aeroplane with the word “Cub” in the official name.
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The FCF newsletter and meeting notices are distributed via e-mail on the Internet. These transmissions contain information, which is
intended for the sole use of the recipient or authorized representative. Any person who receives these e-mails by mistake shall
immediately notify the sender and destroy it. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be error-free as information could be
intercepted, altered, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept any liability for damages caused by the fraudulent
alteration of this message including, without limitations, damages caused by any virus transmitted by it.
FCF MEMBERSHIP APPLICATION
NAME:_____________________________________________
ADDRESS:___________________________________________
CITY: _____________________COUNTY:______________ STATE:_______
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E-MAIL ADDRESS: ____________________________________
FAX#: _________________Cell:_________________________
OCCUPATION : (If Retired, From What?)______________________
AIRCRAFT OWNED:____________________________________
For Regular Membership-Must Be A Cub
IS THE AIRCRAFT LICENSED?: ______ “N” NUMBER:___________
NAME & MODEL CUB TO APPEAR ON YOUR NAME BADGE:
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MEMBERSHIP DUES:
PER YEAR PAYABLE TO FLORIDA CUB FLYERS, INC.
SECOND YEAR’S DUES ARE PRO-RATED IF YOU JOIN DURING THE YEAR.
SEND CHECK & APPLICATION TO:
FLORIDA CUB FLYERS, INC.
10906 Denoeu Road-Boynton Beach, Florida 33472
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CLASSIFIED SECTION
For members of Florida Cub Flyers, the classified section will be free for aviation
related services and products. Send a picture, business card and ad to
BeyeView@aol.com. This requirement will be imperative for Associate Members.
FOR SALE: THIRTY THREE (33) C26
CHAMPION SPARK PLUGS: Unshielded,
reconditioned by Aircraft Spark Plug-MAKE ME AN
OFFER
LARRY ROBINSON 561 732 3250
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actual WW II stencil machines. For more information, contact Ken Wilson, 2324 East Florida
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Airpark - 06FD. Enclosed hangars / shade
hangars / 48' door oversize hangar.
Contact: David Gay - 407-234-6986. Go to
grassrootsairpark.com. First month rent 1/2
price for Florida Cub Flyers members with a
Cub.
ADS FOR MEMBERS ARE FREE FOR AVIATION STUFF OR SERVICES.
SUPPLY AD READY FOR CUTTNG AND PASTING ALONG WITH
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a set. Any interest, let me know. Jim Lyons
theflyinglyons@desoto.net
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List price for this kit was $63.00 (on sale) and we are asking $45.00 for it. Shipping is NOT
included.
The kit includes the following: Food and Water: 12 Boxes of Aqua Blox Water Boxes twice the amount of water as leading suppliers 24 - 200 Calorie Food Bars 20 Water
Purification Tablets - each tablet purifies 1 liter of water Light and Communication: Mini
Scan Radio with Headphones and Batteries Rechargeable Squeeze Flashlight - contains
lithium batteries which last up to 30 hours and also is able to generate power through
squeezing 30 Hour Emergency Candle 5-in-1 Survival Whistle Box of 50 Waterproof
Matches Bic Style Lighter Shelter and Warmth: 2 Emergency Survival Sleeping Bags Recommended over common "space blankets." 2 Emergency Ponchos Tools: 16 Function
Knife 2 N95 Respirator Dust Masks Hygiene and Sanitation: 2 Hygiene Kits - Includes soap,
toothbrush, toothpaste, and 9 wet wipes. 6 Tempo Pocket Tissue Packs First Aid: 42 Piece
Pocket First Aid Kit - contains 42 pieces - 10 spot bandages, 10 sheer junior,5 sheer
medium, 5 sheer strips, 2 antibacterial, 3 clear strips, 2 fabric strips, 1 extra large, 2 alcohol
pads, and 2 gauze pads Other: Deck of playing cards for entertainment 2 General Use Waste
Bags
Carl Miller
Carl.Miller@Bellsouth.net
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FOR SALE
1941 Piper J-3 Cub
Four year restoration completed August
2011
3100 TT, 50 since restoration
Continental 65 HP engine with 632
SMOH
LSA eligible. Oil sealed struts. STC for
MoGas.
Runs and flies as good as it looks
Asking $41,000
Carl Miller: 772.713.8001
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You now have the opportunity to own your own hangar on your own lot at one of the most premier airport communities
in Florida… GRASS ROOTS AIRPARK.
Grass Roots Airpark Properties, Inc., the developer and owner of Grass Roots Airpark is offering ½ acre hangar lots for
sale. These nine lots are located adjacent to the existing hangars and clubhouse and have direct access to the runway.
Hangars will be oriented to the north or south, and each will have an attached multi-purpose, air-conditioned space. The
air-conditioned spaces surround a common area garden, with an open pavilion, which can be used for cookouts and
hangar community gatherings.
The concrete block hangars range in size from 2,000 square feet to 3,814 square feet. The air-conditioned spaces range
in size from 519 square feet to 814 square feet and include a full bath (with shower), a wet bar/break room, storage, a
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pilots lounge, a computer/hobby space, and a covered porch. There are three different hangar designs and three airconditioned plans to choose from, which can be selected in any combination. Lot prices start at $38,500.
Use of the runway and the existing clubhouse is granted by a transferable Runway Use Agreement. The 3,400 foot long
turf runway is one of the finest you will ever experience. The 1920s vintage craftsman style clubhouse offers a great
venue for fly-ins and gatherings.
Please look at the following designs and call David Gay to RESERVE YOUR LOT NOW!
Low & Slow Flying Club
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♦ INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP ♦
♦ RUNWAY USE AGREEMENT ♦
♦ HANGAR OWNER’S ASSOCIATION ♦
♦ DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ♦
Each hangar lot will be individually owned and have its own septic and electric service. Real estate
taxes will be levied individually. This is not a condominium or a land lease.
A Runway Use Agreement, between the lot owner and Grass Roots Flyers, L.L.C., will be recorded
upon closing of each lot purchase. This agreement spells out the rules and guidelines for use of the
runway as well as the cost formula for maintenance and other expenses. This agreement is
transferable, permanent, and binding on both parties. The cost is calculated by the following
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formula: All expenses associated with the runway, plus a 20% fee for other grounds maintenance
and clubhouse use, plus a 10% management fee, divided by 36. Based on this formula, the annual
fee for 2013 is estimated at $973.00. This will vary from year to year.
The Hangar Owner’s Association, run by a board elected by the hangar owners, defines rules,
maintenance, and other obligations. An annual fee will be assessed to cover maintenance of the
grounds on the nine hangar lots and other miscellaneous expenses of the association. Grounds
maintenance of the hangar lots will be contracted out so that each lot owner will not be required to
mow or perform other grounds maintenance. This assures that all lots will be consistently
maintained. The developer, Grass Roots Airpark Properties, Inc., will perform this
maintenanceunless the board decides to contract this to someone else. This will initially cost $75.00
per month for each lot owner. A one-time capital funding of $1,500 is due at lot closing. These
funds will be used to construct, furnish, and landscape the common area pavilion.
In order to maintain design continuity for the entire hangar community, all buildings will be
designed by David Gay, Architect. Drawings for hangar designs “A”, “B” or “C” with A/C floor
plans “1”, “2”, or “3” in any combination, with expansions, options, or minor changes will be
provided for a fee of $1.00/sq. ft. Options include: expanding hangar depth, overhead door on side
wall, additional windows, double door between hangar and A/C area, additional block coursing (to
add height to the hangar), and upgraded finishes. Custom designs are also possible.To obtain the
best pricing, each hangar building will be competitively bid to three pre-qualified builders. Overall
project costs will vary depending on the design, size, options, finishes, and lot selection. Costs,
including lot, fees, and construction, should range between $160,000 and Project management and
construction administration will be provided by David Gay, Architect. As the owner’s
representative, the architect will provide services such as: Coordination of bidding, contractor
selection, site management, inspections, processing of payments and lien releases, selection of
fixtures and finishes, regular site visits, and final punch lists. This service, for a fee of 4% of the
construction contract, will help provide quality control as well as keep the construction process as
simple as possible for the lot owner.
Information contained herein is subject to change without notice or obligation.
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