November 2015
doc.: IEEE 802.11-15-1212r2
802.11 PAR Review SC November 2015
Date: 2015-11-10
Authors:
Name
Jon Rosdahl
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Affiliations
Address
CSR Technologies Inc
a Qualcomm Company
10871 N 5750 W
+1-801-492-4023 jrosdahl@ieee.org
Highland, UT 84003
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
November 2015
doc.: IEEE 802.11-15-1212r2
Abstract-Snapshot
Review of Proposed 802 PAR documents -- Nov 8-13, Dallas, TX, USA
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802d - Amendment: URN Namespace, PAR and CSD
802.1CQ- Standard: Multicast and Local Address Assignment, PAR and CSD
802.3ca - Amendment, 25 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Passive Optical Networks, PAR
and CSD
802.3cb - Amendment, 2.5 Gb/s and 5 Gb/s Operation over Backplane and
Copper Cables , PAR and CSD
802.15.3d - 100Gbps wireless switched point-to-point physical layer, PAR
Modification and 5C
802.15.4t Standard: Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs)
Amendment for a High(er) Rate Physical (PHY) Layer, PAR and CSD
802.15.4u Amendment, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LRWPANs) Amendment for use of the Indian 865-867 MHz band. PAR and CSD
802.16s - Amendment, Fixed and Mobile Wireless Access in Channel Sizes up to
1.25 MHz, PAR and CSD
• Meeting times: Monday PM2, Tuesday AM2, Thursday AM2
Submission
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PAR Review SC – November 2015
Chair: Jon Rosdahl
Draft Agenda:
Monday Agenda:
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Welcome
.Nominations for Vice Chair/Secretary
Determine order of review
Review PARs/CSD posted for review this week.
Recess
Tuesday Agenda:
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Determine Vice Chair/Secretary for this week and beyond
Complete review of PARs/CSD and post comments to 802 WGs
Recess
Thursday Agenda:
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3.
Submission
Review Response to Comments
Prepare Report for 802.11 WG closing plenary
Adjourn
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PAR Review Comments
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802.15.3d - 100Gbps wireless switched point-to-point physical layer, PAR
Modification and 5C
2.1, 5.2a, 5.2b and 5.5: Use of “Mbps” or “ Gbps” should be
“Mb/s” and “Gb/s”
5.2a and 5.2b seem to be orders of magnitude different in
the expected speeds and bands covered. Should the
Scope be amended by this amendment to include the
extra bands and speeds? An Amendment is a good time
to adjust the scope of the base standard.
5.5 – missing comma “In data centers wireless links ----”
5.5 – extra comma “…with high probability, is ----”
8.1 – 5.2b – delete “the” in “intended the frequency bands”
8.1 – 5.5 - missing comma in “kiosk-downloading the link”
Submission
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802.15.4t Standard: Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LRWPANs) Amendment for a High(er) Rate Physical (PHY) Layer, PAR and
CSD
2.1 Need to include range for “High(er)”
(See NesCom Conventions: “6. Quantification of the Ranges of Numeric Values
For PARs for new projects, standards developers who use general terms to represent ranges
(e.g. high, medium, low) within the title, scope, or purpose, shall numerically define such
ranges where they first appear (title, scope, or purpose, as applicable). “)
5.2a – change “devices operating various license-free” to
“devices operating in various license-free”
5.2a – What is the battery consumption requirements (car
battery or coin cell for example)?
5.2.b Change “Mbps” to “Mb/s”
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15.4t CSD
Title page: should it include the name of the amendment?
1.1.1 change “Definitions were already and part of this
standard “ to “Definitions were already a part of this
standard.
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
November 2015
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802.15.4u Amendment, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LRWPANs) Amendment for use of the Indian 865-867 MHz band. PAR and
CSD
2.1 Change “the Indian 865-867 MHz band” to “the 865-867
MHz band in India.”
5.5 – Suggest use “W” for “watts”
5.5 – Change: “released a draft an Internet of Things Policy”
to “released a draft Internet of Things Policy”
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
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15.4u CSD
Title page: should it include the name of the amendment?
It would help the reader when looking at CSD to be
self-defined.
1.1.1 change “Definitions were already and part of this
standard “ to “Definitions were already a part of this
standard”
1.2.5 a) change “This project can be implement with “ to
“This project can be implemented with “
1.2.5 a) Add comma prior to “which”
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
November 2015
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802.16s - Amendment, Fixed and Mobile Wireless Access in Channel Sizes up
to 1.25 MHz, PAR and CSD
In 2014, 802.16 was in the process of closing down open
projects. What evidence do we have for the support of a new
project?
5.1 – We do not believe that there are 15 interested parties
when 802.16 has only 6 members. There may not be enough
interest to support this new project. Are you expecting a lot
of cross interest from the Micro-wave society?
7.1 – 3GPP develops NB-IOT (narrow band LTE for Internet
of Things) which is similar in scope to this project scope –
from 5.2b: “This system profile will specify operation in
exclusively-licensed spectrum with channel sizes up to 1.25
MHz, including 1 MHz explicitly”. How is this project
different from the 3GPP case?
Submission
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802.16s CSD
1.2.1 a) How does this project justify the claimed market share of the
cited studies, given that this appears to be one of many
technologies in this competitive market place?
1.2.1 b) given that there are only 6 members of 802.16, that does not
appear to match the list of “Multiple Vendors and numerous
users” categories, what evidence of interests is there from
participants in each category?
1.2.1 This response could be enhanced by including and building on
the statement from 1.2.4 b) “At least five utilities in the US have
either deployed or are testing a proprietary system based on a
variation of IEEE 802.16 technology.”
1.2.4 – Concern that the statements are somewhat vague. Is there
evidence that could be identified for the cited systems? How much
of a “variation” in the system is cited? Could supporting
documents be cited from 802.16 document repository?
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
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802d - Amendment: URN Namespace, PAR and CSD
1.1 Correct Project number – P802d
2.1 Expand first use of Abbreviation – Uniform Resource
Names (URN)
5.2.b Change “bridges and end stations” to “802 Network
elements”. This is to avoid the need to list all types of
devices, e.g. Access Points (AP), switches etc.
8.1 #5.5 delete second sentence, ”YANG” does not appear
in the title.
8.1 #7.3A delete “with communication with JTC1 through
existing channels”, or remove the entire comment as
7.3 does not appear on the PDF of the PAR.
Submission
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November 2015
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802d CSD
1.1.1 – This project may be apply to more than 802.1Q,
change “802.1Q to “802”.
Submission
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802.1CQ- Standard: Multicast and Local
Address Assignment, PAR and CSD
2.1 change “Addresses” to “Address”
5.6 change last sentence to read: “This includes software
developers, networking equipment vendors IC developers,
bridge and NIC vendors, and users.
CSD: Slide 9: spell out “CIDs” – “Company Identifier (CID)”
CSD: Slide 9: identify properly where the address is coming
from.. Change “RAC” to “IEEE-SA Registration
Authority”.
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
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802.3ca - Amendment, 25 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Passive
Optical Networks, PAR and CSD
No comment or issues identified.
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
November 2015
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802.3cb - Amendment, 2.5 Gb/s and 5 Gb/s Operation
over Backplane and Copper Cables , PAR and CSD
No comment or issues identified.
CSD Slide 5: Well Done --
Submission
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Jon Rosdahl, CSR-Qualcomm
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Motion to accept feedback
Move to accept the feedback in 11-15/1212r2 (slides 5-16)
as the feedback on the proposed PARs for the
November 2015 Plenary.
Moved: Andrew Myles 2nd: Dorothy Stanley
Results: 4-0-0 motion passes
Submission
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Responses From 802 WGs
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References
IEEE 802 PARs Under consideration Webpage:
http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/PARs.shtml
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