ASNAU SENATE MEETING #7 TWENTY FIFTH SESSION OFFICIAL MINUTES Date: October 26, 2012 Number on council: 12 Date of Senate Meeting: October 25th, 2012 Number present: 11 Prepared by Shelby Burton Senate Chair Ryan Lee called the Senate meeting of the 2012-2013 Senate to order at 4:02 P.M. in the Havasupai Room A & B of the University Union. Roll Call The following Senators were not present at the meeting: -Lara Creaser Approval of Minutes Motion: Senator Woodhouse move to approve the minutes from last week’s Senate meeting Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: None Vote: Unanimous, two weeks ago’s minutes have now been approved. Call to the Audience President Smart explains that by passing the ASA resolution, you are supporting what ASA stands for—fighting for education—and that you are supporting the $2 fee for campaigns supporting higher education, uniting the student voice, advocating elected officials pertaining to higher education, promoting individual and group leadership, and supporting the betterment of every student in Arizona. Senator Lake suggests tabling the resolution as new information came up Wednesday and rewording parts of the resolution. He would like to make it more direct to support the organization as a whole, in addition to supporting every issue. Chairman Lee entertains a motion to add the OA for Women’s Lacrosse as item p and the resolution 25-2 in support of ASA as item q to the agenda. Motion: Senator Fox move to put item p on the agenda and title it “OA: Women’s Lacrosse” and item o on the agenda and title it “Resolution 25-2: Support ASA” Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: none Vote: Unanimous, item p is now on the agenda and titled “OA: Women’s Lacrosse” and item q is now on the agenda and titled “Resolution 25-2: Support ASA” Engineering Capstone Project: Two engineering students that asked for funding report that they designed a bracket for a low-baring panel for a NASA space shuttle. They were able to attend a conference to present and learn other technical information. There were many PhD attendants, so it was a great experience to be around so much knowledge. They were proud to be the only undergrads at the conference. They prepared a poster and told several people about their method of using ceramic materials to uphold the panels on the shuttle because the ceramic can withstand the hot temperatures and the force. Currently, they use tiles and there are people who have to check every single tile; NASA wants something more efficient. Unfinished Business None New Action Business Motion: Senator Lake move to vote on items a and b, Club Recognition: Lambda Pi Eta and Club Recognition: Strategies for Ecology Education, Diversity, and Sustainability Second: Senator Smart Discussion: Lamba Pi Eta has received national approval to become a chapter; it is an honors society for communications students. It fosters community and promotes scholarship, as well as provides opportunities. They would like to plan activities open to communications students, like speakers and workshops. Senator Chan asks about dues; they are $100 from the organizations and a $30 lifetime membership fee. Senator Boruch asks why the GPA requirement is a 3.25; it is because it is an honors society. The Strategies for Ecology, Education, Diversity, and Sustainability Club plans to increase education and awareness of ecology by doing projects within the community; for example, there is one project that focuses on solar irrigation for farming. There are 15 people in the club—6 of which are consistent members, 4 of which are elected officers. They want to increase outreach to a diverse range of students in each college; anyone is welcome. Senator Boruch asks if there is a GPA requirement; Chairman Lee explains that there is not but that the requirement is only needed for officers, not members. President Smart also explains that the GPA requirement must be passed through student life first, so if it was not okay it would not have made it to the senate. Vote: Unanimous, items a and b (Club Recognition: Lamba Pi Eta; Club Recognition: Strategies for Ecology Education, Diversity, and Sustainability) have been approved Motion: Senator Lopez move to vote on item c, OA: Muslim Students Association, $500 Second: Senator McDiarmid Discussion: This bill and OA will pay for Muslims and non-Muslims (500 people) to share their culture with other Muslims from different parts of the world; this is their second biggest event. Their objective is to share their culture and food, and to promote forgiveness. They plan to highlight people from different backgrounds and to share more understanding of Islam and what it stands for. Senator Woodhouse asks if they will be charging a few for attendants; no. Senator Lake asks if they have a budget; no, but they have receipts for Sodexo and rental agreements, but there is no set amount for fundraising. Senator Lake asks if they have an account; no, Senator Woodhouse suggests setting up a federal ID number to reimburse money. Senator Lake asks if this is their only event they will ask money for; yes, the other event was two months ago and they could not afford to do it. Senator Woodhouse asks how much they will be contributing to the event; $300. Senator Lake explains that since they do not have a budget, they will need to suspend the bylaws. Senator Cross does not think that the bylaws need to be suspended just because they do not have a budget; Senator Lake agrees that the bylaws could be interpreted two ways, so the receipts can count as a “budget.” Vote: Unanimous, item c (OA: Muslim Students Association, $500) has been approved Motion: Senator Chan move to vote on item d, SB 25-26: Muslim Students Association, $1522.17 Second: Senator Lopez Discussion: Senator Lake is afraid that ASNAU is funding the entire event. Senator Fox explains that they are contributing over $200 out of pocket. There are some items that Sodexo cannot provide. It would be very difficult to put this event on without funding from ASNAU. Vote: Unanimous, item d (SB 25-26: Muslim Students Association, $1522.17) has been approved Motion: Senator Fox move to vote on item e, OA: Pi Sigma Epsilon, $500 Second: Senator Chan Discussion: Pi Sigma Epsilon is a newer club on campus; three members have been to nationals in Athens, Georgia where they learned about marketing and were required to participate in at least one event (sell-a-thon, speakers competition). They met with other chapters and learned new techniques. Senator Fox asks how many people this will fund; five people, about $500 per person. Vote: Unanimous, item e (OA: Pi Sigma Epsilon, $500) has been approved Motion: Senator McDiarmid move to vote on item f, SB 25-27: Pi Sigma Epsilon, $1000 Second: Senator Reddig Discussion: None Vote: Unanimous, item f (SB 25-27: Pi Sigma Epsilon, $1000) has been approved Motion: Senator Woodhouse move to vote on item g, OA: Theta Chi, $500 Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: Last summer, four brothers attended the nation convention in Palm Springs, California; this was the first time NAU could attend. They learned how to run the e-board, how to budget and finance, and how to have a great brotherhood. They discussed having a national philanthropy and voting in a gran chapter. Senator Lake asks how much total it was; $2,232. Senator Smart asks if this is to cover the registration fee; yes, $320 per person for four people. Senator Woodhouse asks what they brought back to NAU; reorganization, better rush skills, bringing a brotherhood together, making lifelong friendships. Senator Lake asks if the rest came from out of pocket; yes, but the chapter reimbursed part of it by not having to pay dues. Vote: 11 in favor, 1 abstains, item g (OA: Theta Chi, $500) has been approved Motion: Senator Fox move to vote on item h, SB 25-28: Theta Chi, $780 Second: Senator Lopez Discussion: None Vote: 11 in favor, 1 abstains, item h (SB 25-28: Theta Chi, $780) has been approved Motion: Senator Boruch move to vote on item i, IA: Sierra Jones, $400 Second: Senator Chan Discussion: Sierra Jones will be representing action research teams (little groups around campus working for the community) at NAU. They strive for education reform, hands-on education, interaction with the community, and involvement. She attended a conference about education reform and met people around the country; she has been to the White House to talk about civic education. This money will pay for the representatives from each college involved to come together and build off of each other’s ideas. She is proud to represent NAU on behalf of this huge movement. Senator Fox asks how much she is contributing; $75. Senator Woodhouse asks if anyone has gone before; she explains that this is something that they (she and the four other schools involved) have organized among themselves. Vote: Unanimous, item i (IA: Sierra Jones, $400) has been approved Motion: Senator Woodhouse move to vote on item j, SB 25-29: Sierra Jones, $375 Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: Senator Fox is concerned that when adding everything up, ASNAU will be paying for over 90% of the trip. Senator Lopez explains that when she went looking for other funding, the college of SBS directed her to ASNAU. Senator Fox asks about person contributions; Senator Woodhouse wonders if she can go back to the colleges and then come back to us. Chairman Lee asks when the event is; November 1st through the 4th. Chairman Lee points out that because she is so crunched with time, if amended, they would have to be sure she could get extra funding. Senator Woodhouse asks that, if decreased, could she fund the rest of the money; Ms. Jones says that she could only contribute a small portion. Senator McDiarmid explains that the money will cover hotel, flight, and transportation and that she will cover all of her own food; in the past, ASNAU has covered much more than that. Senator Smart says that four days of food is roughly $120 plus the original $75, so in perspective she is contributing much more than it seems. Motion: Senator Cross calls to question Second: Senator McDiarmid Vote: 11 in favor, 1 opposed, item j (SB 25-29: Sierra Jones, $375) has been approved Motion: Senator Lake move to vote on item k, SB 25-30: Women’s Lacrosse Club, $1175 Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: This money will cover the tournaments in Santa Barbara and Las Vegas next semester; a total of twenty schools will be in attendance and other levels of education will be watching. This will help the girls gains experience, as it is only its second year on campus. The team has grown from 13 to 18 girls; there is a lot of potential to move up in club league teams. The dues are $500 each year for travel expenses, hotels, and gas. They have been participating in BTO and Chili’s fundraisers. Vote: Unanimous, item k (SB 25-30: Women’s Lacrosse Club, $1175) has been approved Motion: Senator Boruch move to vote on item l, SB 25-31: ASNAU, Polos, $800 Second: Senator Chan Discussion: This bill will pay for the polos for ASNAU members to wear; they are $22.80 each. It will be a dry fit polo with white blocking from Pinnacle Prints. It will come from the “capital improvements” line. In comparison, the bookstore polos are $60 a piece. Chairman Lee entertains a motion to keep line items at original lines; the budget revisions will not take effect until after it is passed. Vote: Unanimous, item l (SB 25-31: ASNAU, Polos, $800) has been approved Motion: Senator Boruch move to vote on item m, SB 25-32: ASNAU, Open Budget Line 102 Second: Senator McDiarmid Discussion: This bill will pay for the “Kiss My Axe” shirts; there are four designs total, two that state “Kiss My Axe” and two that do not. Based off of last year’s feedback, they do not want to offend anyone so there are options this year! They will be ordering 7,000 shirts and getting a quote soon. Last year, it was $27,000 with two orders; right now, the quote is $35,000 but they think they can get it cheaper, so the bill is written for an open line. There will be a survey with the designs next week. They will be passed out this semester at the November 17th game—the last game of the season (minus possible playoffs). Vote: Unanimous, item m (SB 25-32: ASNAU, Open Budget Line 102) has been approved Motion: Senator Woodhouse move to vote on item n, SB 25-33:ASNAU, Gold Axe Pins, $2000 Second: Senator Smart Discussion: ASNAU generally funds the Gold Axe pins for distinguished seniors who went through the application process. 40 were selected that graduate in December. They are waiting for an invoice for an exact amount, which is between $1700 and $1800. Even if it passes, the remaining unused money will go towards awards anyway. Motion: Senator Lake move to amend the bill to read “from budget line 80” Second: Senator Woodhouse Discussion: None Vote: Unanimous, the bill now reads “from budget line 80” Vote: 10 in favor, item n (SB 25-33:ASNAU, Gold Axe Pins, $2000) has been approved Motion: Senator Lake move to vote on item o, FY13 Budget Revisions $3,965.25 Second: Senator Woodhouse Discussion: With the rollover money in, the budget needs revising. One revision is for the concert; $15,000 went to the vote line, $4,000 went to summer clerical work, and the remains will be going toward the concert so as to ensure the people’s first choice artist. They probably will not need all of the money, but they would like to have it as a back-up; the extra will be transferred back to other lines after contracting and paying. President Smart stresses that we have never been able to bring the number one choice, so technically we do not have to put it to the student’s vote because this was their voice in the first place. The original summer clerical line covered pay through July 1st, so the extra money will cover the time after July 1st but before the school year. He also realized that we no longer need a bill written for the budget, it can just be approved as a senate (like this meeting). President Smart explains that we originally borrowed $15,000 from three different lines to support the vote campaign; the rollover will put the money back where it was in the beginning. Lines 104, 106, and 107 will each be receiving the original $5,000. Senator Woodhouse inquires whether there will be any rollover money left after this; the rollover will be at $0. Vote: Unanimous, item o (FY13 Budget Revisions $3,965.25) has been approved Motion: Senator Woodhouse move to vote on item p, OA: Women’s Lacrosse Second: Senator Lopez Discussion: None Vote: Unanimous, item p (OA: Women’s Lacrosse) has been approved Motion: Senator Lake move to vote on item q, Resolution 25-2: Support ASA Second: Senator Smart Discussion: Senator Lake suggests tabling the resolution with the new information from Wednesday night. President Smart stresses the urgency. ABOR is doing their investigation immediately and will be meeting with student body presidents to talk about ASA so the opinion of the senate is crucial. Wes extends on that, stating that if you read your report, there is no factual basis for any conclusions. Senator Smart agrees that the senate should not be putting it off for any longer. Chairman Lee reminds the senate that this began a month ago, so it is time to make a decision. Senator Woodhouse asks when ABOR will begin their investigation; President Smart says that it began last night and that they will be re-meeting in November with a more finalized, informed conclusion. Senator Lake says that the email ended on a good spot to continue the conversation. Senator Boruch asks: what is one thing that was unbalanced with ASA? Taking evidence from what former ASA directors have said, there are no citations; there have been many attacks toward us. They claim to have have had “no true victories” though the tuition bill and gun law were both majorly influenced by ASA. Their evidence is not factually-based and therefore invalid. ASU claims to have brought forth eleven changes in the past two years to structuring the board, which is false. After contacting Jenn Hancock who worked for internal affairs last year for ASA, it was confirmed that only seven were brought forth and none have been brought forth this year. Senator Lake questions the ability for the task force to be unbiased. Senator McDiarmid asks President Smart how the changes were handled; Chelsea Byers explains that they were unfair proposals favoring ASU’s voice as the loudest. Some of the changes include having a board chair from a different university each year through an application process. Every change was deeply considered; nothing was ever “shot down.” Wes Enns explains that this was not a decision taken lightly and that they had legal advice to not pass the changes as ASA would be put in jeopardy. Senator Smart says that ASU does not agree with the direction of ASA but in her opinion if it does not get passed, it will give ASU the drive to go to ABOR and that ABOR will shut it down. If the resolution is not approved and it gets shut down, then we deprived them of the opportunity and denied giving ASA help, causing them to potentially become nonexistent. Motion: Senator Lake move to amend the resolution to state on line 24, “the Associated Students of Northern Arizona University will show support for the Arizona Students Association and their ability to better the students of Northern Arizona University” Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: Instead of Arizona Students in general, it should say “Arizona University students/students of higher education.” Senator Lake rescinds the motion. Motion: Senator Lake move to amend the resolution to state on line 24, “the Associated Students of Northern Arizona University will show support for the Arizona Students Association and their ability to better the higher education students of Arizona” Second: Senator Boruch Discussion: None Vote: Unanimous, the resolution has now been amended to read ““the Associated Students of Northern Arizona University will show support for the Arizona Students Association and their ability to better the higher education students of Arizona” Discussion: Senator Lake stresses a unified voice for Arizona for the good of the students. He worries that with the possible abolition of ASA, numerous tuition heights could result which is not a successful path for students. Senator Cross states that no one is contesting a unified voice; the main issue at hand is the internal problems within ASA (note that this is not in reference to NAU’s ASA). She asks how U of A is dealing with the issue at hand. President Smart explains that, essentially, they are “fed up” with the issue and not sure of a resolution. We are hoping to show U of A hope that senate support can make a difference. Wes Enns explains that if their students had an issue with the professional staff that works between 40 and 60 hours a week, it is for the good of the students and is still directly benefitting the student population. Danielle Bryant says that this is a student-run organization, but without the staff the work would be impossible; no student realistically has the time to facilitate like the staff does. Senator Lake also states that the staff is extremely educated in what they do and often give great direction. President Smart mentions that ASU is against their staff because they believe that their policy can do just as an effective job, which is unrealistic. Students only have so much time between classes and jobs to lobby. President Smart inquires why people would not vote yes. Senator McDiarmid explains that ASA is a great organization with great objectives; however, fighting against other universities defeats the purpose of a “united voice.” It has become a matter of “who has the better policy?” Secondly, he states that if we are picking sides, we are not focusing on crafting a unified voice for students. Staff is a giant concern as they receive approximately 60% of the $2 fee, so they could potentially not be held as accountable as they are already receiving monetary gains. ASA has done a great job, but they are outdated. Wes Enns points out that the 60% of money that goes to staff still directly benefits the students as they are all dedicating their lives to bettering higher education and that the other 40% goes directly to funding that helps education. President Smart addresses the issue of fighting between universities in saying that relationships have broken slightly this year, yes, but both student body presidents have been in communication. ASU came in with the notion that they would take down ASA and break relationships, but each year comes with a new set of people and who can say whether our relationships will not become renewed? She also explains that the argument that ASA does not put themselves out there enough and that their student government does not know their faces is invalid; how many people see your faces in a crowd and know that you are a senator? Senator Boruch asks why Senator McDiarmid believes the program is outdated; he explains that it was originally founded to unite one Arizona voice and that now we have been able to have our voice heard through social media like the “We Are Pell” campaign as well as spreading the word of Prop 204—and we did this all without having the capital right next door. How often does ASA really go to the capital? Senator Chan’s concern is that without ASA, who is going to go out of their way to help the student body? President Smart explains that ASA is still present on ASU campus, it is just not recognized or represented by their student government. The resolution is simply to show respect and support for ASA, and to possibly help fuel U of A to come up with a similar support system. President Smart asks that if someone can have an issue with the way that ASA is structured, please feel free to share your ideas of how to restructure the organization. Senator Reddig supports it, but suggests amending it to say that we want to unify communication more. Chairman Lee suggests creating a task force with ASA for specific recommendations. Senator Lopez supports the resolution because he believes that we need a collective voice down in the capital. So there are internal problems, but what organization does not have internal problems? Every organization has similar issues and the only way they can fix it is by coming together and doing it themselves. He says that we need to support ASA or it will disappear. Senator Cross says that ASU is not being held accountable but it will not change. She asks if it is possible to send out a survey to the student body, so that we can be held accountable to representing our students’ true opinion? In addition, would it be possible to have a conference with all three senates in attendance? Chairman Lee points out that we tried to do that, but it was ineffective and many were unsure how beneficial it would have been had everyone been there. President Smart states that the first step to becoming a unified voice is by passing the resolution. Senator Tenney points out that this issue is very “black and white.” Shayna Stevens explains that this is urgent because ABOR will begin investigating this as soon as possible. Senator Woodhouse reiterates that the resolution is simply stating that we support ASA—not how it should be run or how its internal affairs affects it. Senator Boruch believes that if it is outdated that it could easily be updated. Senator McDiarmid says that this could have a positive ripple effect but if it backlashes and we supported it, then we need to be okay with the consequences. Senator Lake says that the focus should be on the NAU students and what is best for them. If ASA crumbles, he believes that NAU will never be heard from again. He believes that we should support ASA because it is already a unified organization here on NAU campus. VP Niemann explains that we should stand up for students whether it is what ABOR wants or not; this is not the first time and it will not be the last. President Smart points out that ABOR is overlooking the fiduciary responsibilities; if they see corruption within ASA, they have power to pull the $2 fee in addition to the $23 fee for NAU and the student fee. Senator Smart states that if you agree with anything on this resolution, vote yes. Do you agree with the mission statement? If so, then vote yes. Wes Enns reminds the senate that ASA is not only looking out for NAU, they are also looking out for ASU. After all, they represent the Arizona students as a whole— not just the ones who attend nau. Vote: 10 in favor, 1 abstains, item q (Resolution 25-2: Support ASA) has been approved Executive Report a. President- Sammy Smart -Please email President Smart if you are attending the NSG social. The student regent selection is down to its finalists; they will be down to do meet and greets at each school which was implemented and created for ASA. She collaborated with ASNAU on the faculty senate meeting about issues from both sides. There has been controversy with free iPads given to students with the AIMS scholarship. NAU became the first university to allow non-gender-specific homecoming royalty king. Prop 204 is neck and neck in getting passed, so please spread the word! Chelsea reminds everyone that if you have any questions about how ASA can support Prop 204 though it is non-partisan, please ask. Also, ASU is becoming a smoke free campus; NAU is looking into it. They want to know how it will effect enrollment rates and international students. In addition, though NAU may be the smallest in-state university, find solace in knowing that it still has a bigger population voice than 38 state’s biggest university. We are the 64th largest university out of roughly 200. b. Vice President of Student affairs- Annsley Niemann -VP Niemann says thanks for a successful homecoming. It was a good tailgate and everyone had the foam fingers. Make A Difference Day is this Saturday and ASNAU will be holding a volunteer project. Sign up and/or volunteer with running it at the observatory field for an hour on Saturday morning. 140 applications were collected for the new club headquarters. They will find out Monday if they get an interview. There will be a “grand opening” next semester. There will also be a survey for the “Kick My Axe” shirts next week. c. Vice President of Academic Affairs- Ryan Lee -VP Lee says that hours are due; thanks for being engaged and polite and mature. He still needs to meet with the college of SBS. Please interact with students on campus by bringing in different students every week to the ASNAU office. d. Chief of Staff- Makenzie Mastrud -Chief of Staff Mastrud was excited about the success of the carnival. She will be sitting on the study abroad/scholarship committee starting Monday, and sitting on the budget university counsel committee. Chief of Staff Mastrud will be meeting with The Lumberjack for ASNAU articles; homecoming royalty made national news for being the first university to have their royalty not be gender specific. Also, please note that grad students also pay the 23 fee so they can attend our functions. Staff Reports A. ASA- Jack Sawyer, Danielle, Shayna -ASA thanks the senate for passing the resolution. There was a call with ABOR last night, whether they questioned different outlets; a final decision will be coming up with own report. CASL went well; different groups were welcome and they discussed money and politics, dirty politics, and networking. The election is one week from Tuesday! The vote campaign is nearing its end, but they still need help with phone banking. Last night, they had a call for suggestions of bylaws to help fix internal matters . ASA at NAU will continue fighting issues that pertain to ASU students as they represent Arizona as a whole. The two dollar fee will not cover the directors at ASU; instead, they will get paid through the policy department. Congratulations to NAU for getting the highest proportion of students registered in comparison to any other Arizona University! They went above their goal of 10% of the school. B. Public Relations- Matt Villa -They finished the “Kick My Axe” shirts. C. ITS- Jonathan Tessmar-Bell -Jon helped with shirts. D. Special events- Tony Buchta, Sara Martin -Tony and Sara are working on the concert; contracts are in the works, so a date and an artist will be released soon. They are also working on equality week and internal events in the office. E. NSG- Representatives -There will be an ASNAU/NSG social on November 3rd. It will be bowling. There is a group participating in Make A Difference Day and they are going to plan a campus-wide event for next semester, in addition to holiday events within NSG. Committee Reports A. Appropriations: Senator Woodhouse reports that this committee is going well, and that she will send the template to everyone to remain consistent. B. Legislative: Senator Lake reports that there will be no meeting tonight because it is too late. Senator Reports College of Arts and Letters a. Shannon Boruch-Senator Boruch met with clubs, helped with carnival tailgating, talked to mark about ASA matters. She remindes the senate that the college is having a Tuba Fest this week and that there is Band Day on Saturday, where high schools perform all day. b. Anthony Lake-Senator Lake sat in on the faculty parking meeting, which was productive. He also points out that the cycling club won at their conference and there may be some bills for them in the future. College of Social and Behavioral Sciences a. Samantha Cross-Senator Cross attended a deans meeting last week; she explains that three groups wanted to know why senators have not contact them, so there will be more club assignments. Email advisors when sending emails. b. Jeremy Reddig-Senator Reddig made copies and received applications for the club headquarters position. College of Health and Human Services a. Lara Creaser- not present b. Derek Lopez-Senator Lopez met with their dean, read up on ASA matters, and made copies College of Education a. Kelsey Smart-Senator Smart wrote bills this week. b. Adam Fox-Senator Fox is in the process of writing bills. College of Business a. Jeremy Chan-Senator Chan wrote a bill this week. b. Derrell Tenney-Senator Tenney helped with the Pi Sigma Epsilon OA and bill. College of Forestry, Engineering, and Natural Sciences a. Oregon McDiarmid-Senator McDiarmid sat in the parking services meeting, worked on bills and OAs, and was approached by the royalty about changing homecoming “king and queen” to just “royalty” to avoid gender bias. b. Shayla Woodhouse- Senator Woodhouse emailed clubs and saw the debate, and is looking forward to helping with Make A Difference Day. Advisor Reports (Rick Brandel and Art Farmer) Rick Brandel—Not Present Art Farmer—Not Present Discussion Items None Announcements The trophy goes to Tony and Sara for an awesome carnival! Congratulations! Adjournment Motion: Senator Lopez Second: Senator Lake Unanimous 6:28 PM