Time as a Fa Time asa Factorin the Development andDeclineof Mental Processes Timothy A. Salthouse The theme of this chapteris that it is meaningful to think of time as increasing and then decreasing as a function ofage. Ofcourse I am not referring to time in an objective physical sense, but rather functional time in the senseof the amount neededrequired to carry out many cognitive operations.Severalyears ago Robert Kail and I (Kail & Salthouse,1994) suggestedthat time can be viewed as a processingresourcethat alters with age if changes occur in the time neededto executeoperationssince fewer operations will be able to be completedin a given period of time. In this chapterI will elaborateon this perspective,and will summarizesome relevant empirical researchconcentratedon the adult portion of the lifespan. I will begin by documenting the lifespan growth and decline of this resource-based conceptualizationof time. For this purposeI will use several measuresfrom tasks that are so simple that accuracy is nearly perfect, and consequentlyvirtually all of the variation across people can be assumedto be in terms of how quickly the items can be performed. The first figure portrays results of measuresfrom two perceptual speed tasks from the WoodcockJohnsonTestof CognitiveAbilities (Woodcock & Johnson,1989, 1990)expressedin standardized units. Notice that there is a rapid increasein the period ofchildhood, followed by a gradual decreaseacrossthe adult years.This phenomenon is evident with a variety of different tasks, and strongly suggeststhat there are substantial age-relateddifferencesin measuresthat might be hypothesizedto reflect the time required to executeelementarycognitive operations. An immediate obvious question is why are measures of time important? Many other lifespan changespresumably have no consequencesfor cognition, such as running speed" bicep diameter,lung capacity,and the color of one'shair, and thus it is reasonableto ask what is specialabout measuresreflecting speedofprocessing. 500 uro E o o (r) 500 I ; -E 480 I 460 o 1140. 420 400 6 101s20253035404550556065702S80gS Chronological Age Figure I: Mean performance between 5 and 95 years of age on two perceptual speedtests from the standardizationsample in the Woodcock-Johnson Psycho-EducationalBattery. I have two responsesto this question. First, I will argue that time is unique becauseplausible theoretical mechanismshave been proposed by which slower processingcan affect cognitive functioning. And second"I will describeempirical evidence indicating that measuresof processingtime are actually involved in the age-related differences in many measuresof cognitive functioning.The empirical evidencewill be described first because discussions of hypothesizedmechanismsare more meaningful when the to-be-explainedrelations have been establishedto exist. The primary empirical question of interest is whether there is evidence for an influence of time or speedon the relationsbetweenage and various measuresof cognitive functioning.The simple answerto this questionis yes, but in order to understand the reasonsfor this answer it is important to briefly describe the types of analyticalmethodsthat haveled to this conclusion. Consider the general case diator, X. In the present cont to an index ofspeed ofproct be virtually any variable h11 tribute to at least some of the encesin cognition. How can r age-relatedchangesin X mi1 for age-relatedchangesin y? lationscould be investigare tween age and X, betweena rweenX andY. But how can one determi *'hat extent,the relationsim contributeto the observedrcll andY? The mere existence< not sufficient becausea great I relatedto age,but it is unlike rnvolvedin the relationsberc ablesreflecting cognitive fui .rmple,both gray hair and po< renrelatedto increasedage in rn age-heterogeneoussamp rbundto be related to eachoth roth are associated with incre .''necould not concludethat g rhe decline in memory thar o rncreased age becauseall of rronsneedto be consideredsin rs.evidenceis neededto estab binationof relationsbetweenI r*'een X and Y do in fact con .erved relation betweenage ar Three major techniquesco restigatethe hypothesizedlinl I t. All involve examining tbe rge and Y after eliminatingc :elationbetweenageand X. In rectationis that the relation h '.rill be greatlyreducedor elim :r is mediatedthroughX. One possiblestrategyconsis :rperimental intervention to al Ideallythe interventionwould o :ng X in older adultsto the le\t rnd thereby eliminate the rclar rnd X. Experimental manipula mostconvincingway to establi a causalrelation becauseifX is rhathas beenalteredthen it mr tor the observeddifferences.Ur vention approachesmay not t presentcontext ifthe X variaH over a period of many decadc Time as a Factor in the Development and Decline of Mental Processes ine of Mental logical Age x-c bctween5 and 95 rrual ipced testsfrom the rhl \\oodcock-Johnson c' , to this question'First, I rn'quebecausePlausible i h.1\c beenProPosedbY n! can affect cognitive d- l ri rll describeemPiris th.rrmeasuresof ProN rnrolvedin the age-renr nr.'u.rr.esof cognitive 'r"-rlcvidencewill be dedr.cttssionsof hYPothr rnrrremeaningfulwhen l.itr,'nshavebeenestabcal questionofinterest is encc tbr an influence of elrtlonsbetweenageand ocnrtivefunctioning.The quc.tionis Yes,but in oric'.i:onsfor this answerit lr ,lescribethe tYPesof ri h"r'. led to this conclu- Consider the general case of a potential mediator, X. In the present context X corresponds to an index ofspeed ofprocessing,but it could be virtually any variable hypothesized to contribute to at least some of the age-relateddifferencesin cognition. How can one determine that age-relatedchangesin X might be responsible for age-relatedchangesinY? Severalsets ofrelations could be investigated,such as those between age and X, betweenage and Y, and between X andY. But how can one determine whether, and to what extent, the relations involving X actually contribute to the observedrelations betweenage and Y? The mere existenceof each relation is not sufficient becausea great many variablesare related to age, but it is unlikely that they are all involved in the relations between age and variables reflecting cognitive functioning. For example, both gray hair and poor memory are often related to increasedage in adulthood"and in an age-heterogeneoussample they might be found to be related to eachother merely because both are associatedwith increasedage.However one could not conclude that gray hair mediates the decline in memory that often accompanies increasedage becauseall of the relevant relations needto be consideredsimultaneously.That is, evidenceis neededto establishthat the combination ofrelations betweenage and X and between X and Y do in fact contribute to the observedrelation betweenage andY. Three major techniquescould be used to investigatethe hypothesizedlinkages (see Figure 2). All involve examining the relation between age and Y after eliminating or controlling the relation betweenage and X. In eachcasethe expectation is that the relation between age andY will be greatlyreducedor eliminatedif much of it is mediated through X. One possiblestrategyconsistsof sometype of experimentalintervention to alter the level of X' Ideally the intervention would operateby improving X in older adultsto the level of young adults, and thereby eliminate the relations between age and X. Experimental manipulation is clearly the mostconvincingway to establishthe existenceof a causalrelation becauseifX is the only variable rhathas been altered then it must be responsible tbr the observeddifferences.Unfortunately,intervention approachesmay not be feasible in the presentcontext if the X variable changedslowly ,.rvera period of many decades.Not only might JJ Inbffenlbn l v l Ac. - [Q\-] l v l Agc '[Gl l Ae. " l Agf Manctrrne fr*-.1 .'.'-' I | Ae. HH,nrdu lo l Ae. Figure2: Schematicillustrationof threetechniques thatcouldbe usedto eliminatethevariation betweenageandsomevariableX. interventionsbe ineffective in reversingchanges that were slow and gradual,but ifthe changein X occurred gradually, it may have been accompanied by numerous adaptationsthat might not be easyto eliminateeven if it were possibleto restorethe level ofX to the earlier state. A secondpossiblesffategyinvolves the use of matching by attempting to find people of different ageswho have similar valuesof X. Although seemingly straightforward this procedurealso has at least two major limitations. First, when trying to match on a variable that has moderate to large relationswith age,as is expectedto be the casewith X, the matchedsampleswill likely be small and the range of ages probably restricted relative to the entire sample. Both of thesefactors will lead to low statisticalpower to detectrelationsbetweenage andY, and consequently the hypothesisof attenuatedrelations between age and Y might be supported for artifactual reasons.The second limitation of the matching procedureis that there is no assurance that the matching is only on the intendedvariable X becauseseveralvariables may vary concomitantly with X, and one or more of them may influenceY in addition to, or insteadof, X. To the extentthat this is the case,one could not be certain that X was the critical variable responsiblefor the changesinY. 34 Time as a Fa Timothy A. Salthouse The third strategythat could be usedto inves- equationmodeling to reducemeasurementerror tigate the role of a variable X in the relations and minimize biasesin the estimatesof the magbetween age and another variable Y relies on nitude of the relations.However,the analysesare sometype of statisticalcontrol.That is, statisti- still meaningful with observedor manifest varical control procedures could be used to equate ables,particularly ifreliabilities are availableto people ofdifferent ageson X by partialing out allow the estimatesof the relations to be adthe linear relation betweenage and X. An advan- justed for measurementerror. In both commonality analysesand path analytage of equating with statistical procedures the methods are relevant to time-based interses rather than through direct matching is that all of if measuresof processing speed are pretations the analyses, in be used the availabledata can measuresof cognitivefunctioning and X, as used in statistical reduction is minimal there thus and power relative to the entire sample. Statistical are usedasY. Resultsfrom theseprocedureswill control proceduresalso allow the influence of be illustrated with perceptualcomparison speed other measuredvariables to be examined and measuresserving asthe X variable,and measures eliminated by similar partialing techniques.The of performance from three different cognitive primary assumptionof statistical control proce- tasksserving as theY variable. As mentioned earlier, perceptual speedmeadures is that the relations between age and X, quickly eland between X and Y, are mostly linear, or that sures are assumedto reflect how be percan operations cognitive ementary yield linear the variables can be transformed to that few so simple are tasks is, the That formed. is determined, relation linear relations. Once the virtuit can then be used to adjust the valuesofY to people make mistakes, and consequently is adults normal across variation the of remove the influence of X, and allow examina- attyatt tasks. perform the to needed the time in reflected portion and the tion ofthe relation between age Administration time for the measurescan be as ofY that is independentof X. reliability Becauseinterventions do not yet appearfea- brief as 60 seconds,but estimatesof will be deI Although higher. or sible, and since matching leadsto substantialre- are often .8 propaper-and-pencil on based results scribing procedures ductions in power, statistical control patterns similar that noted be should it cedures, eliminatfor method practical may be the most and path ing the influence of a hypothesizedmediating of results in commonality analyses time reaction with obtained been variable at the current time. Two different statis- analvseshave not do the conclusions thus and -"usutes, rpe"d tical control methodscan be used"both of which asof method particular to a be specific to seem procearebasedon relatedtypes ofcorrelational sPeed. processing sessing dures. Results with three different criterion meaOne method is known as commonality analywill be illushated and in eachcasethe data sures sis, and it is useful for determininghow much of based on samplesof 200 or more adults were is much how to X, the variance in Y is unique from l8 to over 80 years ofage. One of ranging X between is shared much how and age, unique to on the Raven's and age. This technique is particularly helpful the criterion variablesis the score test of popular is a which Matrices, Progressive when partitioning the age-relatedvariance bein a 9 cells 8 of in which reasoning inductive the age-related of causeit can indicatehow much the reand patterns geometric contain matrix (Y) is shared variable the criterion variance in spondentis requiredto selectthe best comple' with the hypothesizedmediator variable(X). A second Various types of path analysiscan function as tion of the missing cell in the matrix' of number of the the sum is variable criterion because the secondstatistical control procedure in the trials five first the across recalled items strengths relative the of they provide estimates Test. In this test of paths from age to X, from X to Y, and from Rey Auditory Verbal Learning is read aloud words l5 unrelated list of the same agetoY. The latter path is especiallyinformative to reattempting respondent the with times, five onY ofage becauseit representsthe influence preseneach possible after as words many as call it can thus and X, through that is not mediated and accuracy be used to estimatehow much of the age-related tation. A measurereflecting time Wechsler the from test Design variancein Y is not explainedby the mediator on the Block the third is Revised Scale Intelligence Adult con(X). Ideally the path analysesshould be test inThis will describe. I variable criterion structural and ducted with latent constructs volves the respondentanen blocks to match a target panl These three tests are obv ent, and they are generalll. distinctpsychometricfacton soning,episodic or shon-tern tial visualization).Eachof th tablishedto havegood reliab the teststypicallyexhibit rn differences.The next figure from studiesconductedin n the scoresin eachtest con\.e viation units from the enrrre: comparisonsacrossvariablr range of performance from I oldestage groups is almostr tions with each variable. AgeTrends Baven's R€yAVLT WAISBlod<Delgn :'igure 3: Mean standardscores( \latrices (Salthouse,1993),and r ialthouse,Fristoe& Rhee, 1996 .rrth thesevariablesas criterion r Time as a Factor in the Development and Decline of Mental Processes iasurementerror laresof the mag, th!'analysesare or nianifest varis are availableto ationsto be ads and path analYintertrnie-based e\sing speedare ritire functioning e procedureswill onrparisonspeed rlc. and measures flcrent cognitive ptual speedmeaherrrquickly elns can be pero simplethat few nscquentlYvirtunormal adults is pcrtbrm the tasks. easurescan be as atcsofreliabilitY rgh I will be derr-and-pencilPrort :irlilar Patterns nalvsesand path r rth reactiontime 'onclusionsdo not ular methodof asnt criterion meaeachcasethe data )0 or more adults ars ofage. One of c-rreon the Raven's s a populartest of r S of 9 cells in a ,rrc'rnsand the ret the best comPle: nratrix.A second r-rfthe number of ;t tive trials in the rg Test.In this test r-ordsis read aloud nr attemptingto re: alier eachPresentlntc and accuracy ionr the Wechsler ier ised is the third cnbe.This test in- volves the respondentattempting to assemble blocks to match atarget Pattern. These three tests are obviously quite different, and they are generally assumedto reflect distinct psychometricfactors (i.e., inductive reasoning,episodic or short-term memory and spatial visualization).Eachofthe testshasbeenestablishedto have good reliability, and scoreson the tests typically exhibit moderately large age differences.The next figure illustrates results from studies conducted in my laboratory with the scoresin eachtest convertedto standarddeviation units from the entire sample to facilitate comparisonsacrossvariables.Notice that the range of performance from the youngest to the oldest age groups is almost two standarddeviations with eachvariable. AgeTrends The next figure illustratesresultsu'ith commonality analyses(in the form of a pie chart depicting variance accounted for in the criterion variable)and path analyses(in the form ofa path diagram with estimates of the relevant coefficients). Results from both sets ofanalyses are consistentwith the interpretation that time to executesimple operationsis an important factor in the age-relateddifferences in cognitive functioning. This is apparent in the commonality analysesbecauseestimatesofthe percentagesof the total age-relatedvariance sharedwith speed (i.e., the ratio of sharedto the sum of sharedplus unique-to-agemultiplied by 100)were 98.1 for the Raven'svariable, 73.2 for the Rey Verbal Learning variable, and 86.3 for the Block Design variable. The path analysis results are also CommonalitYEEtimat€€ PathModels Baven's o 8 g, r{l -l ReyAVLT {.t WAISBlod<Deign I INt " ' ' ! 0 s $ s D F Raven'sProgressive Figure 3: Mean standardscores(and standarderrors) as a function of age for the Block Design Test Wechsler and Test Learning Verbal M"atrices(Salthouse, 1993), and ih. R.y Auditory path analyses (Salthouse,Fristoe & nfree, ISSO).Also portrayed are results from commonality analysesand with these variables as criterion variables. 36 Timothy A. Salthouse Time as a Facrc firfrdTrmPrinide) tary processingoperationstake formed, then fewer of them can a given period. This mechanis very important in timed tesrs those with low levels of difficu formance is primarily assesse number of items completed i time. However, the limited r could also affect performancei situations where a sequenceof be performed and slow execu operationsmeansthat later. and order,operationsare not succes A relevantmetaphorfor the lim nism might be an assemblyline operationsare not completedn ucts at subsequentstagesmar t Considerableevidenceindic creasingage less processine plished in the same amount ( ample,this phenomenonis er id lationsof stimuluspresentatio hoc analysesofthe level ofaccr specifiedreactiontimes,or u'id ing reaction time to the amou processingor to the number ot must be performed. The secondmechanismb'r'rr cessingcould leadto impairme of cognitive functioning is knon neity mechanism,and it ma1 og thereare no externaltime limiu sumptionin this mechanismis t successfulmany higher-level , tions such as association.inte stractionrequire that all of the r tion is simultaneouslyavailab accessiblewhen needed,then rh not be completedsuccessfullr.: the relevantperformanceu'ill b eral factors probably affect the i taneouslyavailable informatior activatethe informationis posru ticularly important determinan It could be arguedthat if infc in the samestateof availabilin the completionof processingn layed when the speedof actn However,if information is lost displacementthen therewill be when all relevantinformation i the duration ofthat period dep< namicsof the speedof activatl | I E 3 E Age -+ ./ Spood ,.n 2: fln \ Gogniton (Sl'rrulhnc{tyRhtdcl g 5r \ l /N f,l r I f f/J"-\onlo iffi rlat ./ ' nffir bldrdl Figure 4: Schematic illustration of two hypothesizedmechanismsthat might account for the influence of speedon the relations between age and measuresofcognitive performance. consistentwith the hypothesizedspeedmediation becausemoderately large coefficients were evident for the paths from age to the speedvariable and from the speedvariable to the cognitive variable. Moreover, in each case the direct or unmediatedrelation betweenage and the cognitive variable was substantially smaller than the correspondingcorrelation(e.g.,for Ravens,-.30 vs. -.57; for RAVLT, -.33 vs. -.50; and for Block Design,r: -.23 vs. -.47). The resultsjust describedclearly indicate that a substantialproportion ofthe age-relatedvariance in severalcomplex cognitive measuresis sharedwith simple measuresthat are hypothesizedto reflect how quickly simple processing operationscan be executed.However,it is important to emphasizethat not all age-relatedeffects on complex cognitive measuresare shared with simple speed measures.Results such as those I havejust describedare sometimesmisinterpretedas implying that a single monolithic factor is responsiblefor all ofthe age differences observedin measuresof cognition. In fact, an advantageof thesetypes of correlational proce- dures is that they allow the relative contribution of different types of influencesto be determined, insteadof focusing exclusivelyon whether the influence of a particular variable is different from zero, as is often the casewith other analytical procedures.The results of these analyses, and of similar analysesof other data, suggest that measuresof simple processingefficiency share large proportions of age-relatedvariance with several different types of complex cognitive variables. They are thus consistent with the interpretation that factors related to processing speedcontribtte to some of the observedage differences in variables representinghigher-order cognitive functioning. Now that the relations involving processing speedhave been establishedto exist, it is appropriate to ask about the mechanismsthat might be responsiblefor those relations. I believe that at least two speed-basedmechanisms,which are schematically illustrated in the next figure, are involved in the age-relatedeffects on cognition (Salthouse,1996).I refer to one mechanismas the limited time mechanismbecauseif elemen- Time as a Factorin the Developmentand Decline of Mental Processes \ Cognition ./ u:,: lirr theinfluenceof rhc rr'lativecontribution u!'nccsto be determined :lu.rr c'lyon whetherthe lar rrriable is different e c.r\L'withotheranalytisuli. of theseanalyses, \ .\j' other data, suggest le firr)cessingefficiency variance i \'l .rge-related p..r oI complex cognitive -i c()nsistentwith the inrs rclatedto processing ' n r t r r l ' t h eo b s e r v e da g e s r!'presentinghigher-orng rn] lnvolvingprocessing ishcdto exist.it is approncehlnisms that might be elltr,rns.I believethat at mr'chanisms,which are rd rn the next figure, are arcJ effectson cognition ler to one mechanismas nr\nr becauseif elemen- tary processingoperationstake longer to be performe4 then fewer of them can be completed in a given period. This mechanismis likely to be very important in timed tests, and especially those with low levels of difficulty in which performance is primarily assessedin terms of the number of items completed in the specified time. However, the limited time mechanism could also affect performance in more complex situations where a sequenceof operationsmust be performed and slow executionof the early operationsmeansthat later, and possibly higherorder,operationsare not successfullycompleted. A relevantmetaphorfor the limited time mechanism might be an assemblyline in which if early operations are not completed rapidly, the products at subsequentstagesmay be defective. Considerableevidenceindicatesthat with increasing age less processing can be accomplished in the same amount of time. For example,this phenomenonis evidentwith manipulationsof stimuluspresentationtime, with posthoc analysesofthe level ofaccuracyobtainedat specified reaction times, or with functions relating reaction time to the amount of completed processingor to the number of operationsthat must be performed. The secondmechanismby which slowerprocessingcould leadto impairmentsin the quality of cognitive functioning is known asthe simultaneity mechanism,and it may operateeven when there are no external time limits. The critical assumption in this mechanismis that in order to be successfulmany higher-level cognitive operations such as association,integration and abstraction require that all of the relevant information is simultaneouslyavailable.If it is not all accessiblewhen needed,then the operationsmay not be completedsuccessfully,and the quality of the relevant performancewill be impaired. Several factors probably affect the amount of simultaneously available information, but the time to activatethe information is postulatedto be a particularly important determinant. It could be arguedthat if information remains in the samestateof availability indefinitely then the completionof processingwill merely be delayed when the speed of activation is slower. However,if information is lost through decayor displacementthen therewill be a limited period when all relevant information is available, with the duration ofthat period dependenton the dynamics of the speedof activation and the rate of 3 t loss or forgetting.Moreover,becauseit is unrealistic to expect information to remain in a high stateof availability indefinitely, speedof activation is likely to be a critical variable affecting the amount of information that is simultaneously available. It might still be possibleto achievethe same eventual level of higher-order products if the rate of loss of information was slowed to the sameextentas the rate of activation.However,in order for this to occur the information must not be lost as rapidly in older adults comparedto young adults,and there is no evidenceto suggest that the rate of forgetting is slower with increasedage. Instead most of the relevant research suggeststhat the rate of forgetting for older adults is either the sameas that of young adults, or possibly even faster, but certainly not slower(seeSalthouse,1992). Becauseit is difficult to obtain precisemeasuresof the time courseof information availability, very little evidencedirectly relevantto the simultaneitymechanismis currently available. Although this mechanismis largely speculative at the present time, it seems plausible as a mechanismby which slower speedof processing could lead to lower levels of cognitive performance. Summary and ImPlications I will now summarizethe major points of this chapter.First, I suggestedthat effective or functional time decreaseswith increasingage, and that it seemslikely that this decreasehasconsequencesfor many types of cognitive functioning. Second resultsfrom two correlationalprocedureswere describedthat indicate that measuresof processingspeedare closely involved in the relations betweenage and severaltypes of cognitive functioning. And thir4 two mechanisms hypothesizedto contributeto the role of speedon cognition,limited time and simultaneity, were discussed.I believethat the combination of plausible argumenttogetherwith relevant empiricalevidencelendscredibility to the timebased interpretation of developmentaldifferences in cognition. However, much more researchis clearly neededbefore this interpretation would be completely convincing. For example, more analyticalresearchis desirableon the mechanismsthat areresponsiblefor the speed 38 Timothy A. Salthouse T. A. (1992).Influenceof processing mediation that has been establishedto exist. Fi- Salthouse, adult age differences in working on speed nally, it is important to capitalize on the strengths 79, 155-170' Psychologica, Acta memory. of different methodologicalapproaches'because T. A. (1993). Influence of working Salthouse, both correlational and experimental procedures in matrixreamemoryon adultagedifferences provide valuable information. For example,corsoning.British Journal of Psychology'84' l7l' ielational proceduresare useful to estimate the 199. speedtheory strength of relevant relations, and experimental Salthouse, T.A. (1996).Theprocessing procedures are useful to explore the nature of ofadult agedifferencesin cognition'Psychological Review,103,403-428. lhe mechanismsresponsiblefor the relations. N', & Rhee,S' H. (1996)' T. A., Fristoe, Salthouse, effectson neuropHow localizedareage-related sychologicalmeasures?Neuropsychology,10, References 272-285. R. W., & Johnson,M. B. (1989'1990)' Woodcock, speed (1994). Processing T. A. Kail"R..& Salthouse, BatteryPsycho-Educational Woodcock-Johnson S6,199asa mentalcapacity.ActaPsychologica, Allen, TX: DLM. Revised. 225. Distortionsof Mr Elizabeth F. Loftus A famous story told by Pi memory distortion has long tion ofAmerican psycholog ther research,and so it seen chapter for a book celebrati his birth with a reminder ol ferring to Piaget'sclassic ch an attemptedkidnapping tha pened to him early in his 194511962).The false mern stayedwith him for at least r "... one of my fir date,if it were true. fi I can still see,most cl scene, in which I b about fifteen. I was which my nurse w Champs Elys6es, n'l kidnap me. I was helr tened round me whil tried to stand betwec She receivedvarious still see vaguely tlx When I was about fil ceived a letter from r shewantedto confess in particular to retun been given as a re$an up the whole story .. have hear4 as a child story, which my par projected into the pa visual memory." Piaget'sstory illustrates t .:eate a vivid memory in tl .hich is why I found it use :":rly analysis of the controrn -cmories (Loftus, 1993).k : r. false memory appearsto -:ough a story told at that ::rrugh subsequentfamil,vn : -estion about the extent ft :r.ne to forming vivid but u : rgs that happenedin our p :-.. who also have used the I