Estimating of engineering costs when using 61850 and GOOSE messaging Robert O’ Reilly Senior Application Engineer Cooper Power Systems – Canada Matthew Oong Regional Sales Manager Cooper Power Systems - Australia Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 Overview Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 Where we came from (our heritage) Today Our challenges in properly evaluating costs Tomorrow Potential examples and tools Conclusions 2 Traditional Installation Methods Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 3 Traditional Pre Commissioning Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 4 The New Generation of Protection Cabinets Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 • Power distibution to devices • Fibre Optic for data • Bay controller for interlocking 5 Evolution of Engineering Tools Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 • Cabling information still required (Less) • IED Power Distribution still required • Existing databases update to 61850 • Interlocking via GOOSE msg not hardware • System Configurator 6 61850 Projects Implementation Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 Change in Skills Sets • change from Hardwire to GOOSE interlocking or tripping • Change from I/O Lists to set-up the networks and V-LANS. • The protection engineer is doing most of the work while setting-up the protection relays with the messaging requirements. 7 Challenges in properly evaluating costs Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 • Reduction in engineering drawings, wiring and panel testing. • Increase in information to allow future trouble shooting • Increase in amount of time being expensed in FAT’s (factory acceptance tests) • Increase in amount of time in SAT (Site Acceptance tests) • Increase in labour costs due to high skills set 8 Cast Study Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 • in engineering drawings, wiring and panel testing. (Down ?? %) • Increase in information to allow future trouble shooting (Increase ?? % • Increase in amount of time being expensed in FAT’s (factory acceptance tests) Increase ?? %) • Increase in amount of time in SAT (Site Acceptance tests) Increase ?? %) • Increase in labour costs due to high skills set (Increase ??) • Overall Project Cost (Inc/Dec%) 9 Some General Comments Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 • While 61850 has been around for some time, we are just starting to use it. • It is a new paradigm compared to our previous ways of putting wires everywhere. • We are saving costs in regards to the drawings, cabling, etc… BUT • We are using more time from highly valuable personnel. • The Factory and site acceptance tests are much more involved and time consuming Future System Configuration Tools will help to reduce Engineering 10 Thank You! Australia AP B5 SEAPAC 2009 Robert O’ Reilly Senior Application Engineer Cooper Power Systems – Canada Matthew Oong Regional Sales Manager Cooper Power Systems - Australia 11