Estimating of engineering
costs when using 61850 and
GOOSE messaging
Robert O’ Reilly
Senior Application Engineer
Cooper Power Systems – Canada
Matthew Oong
Regional Sales Manager
Cooper Power Systems - Australia
Australia
AP B5
SEAPAC 2009
Overview
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AP B5
SEAPAC 2009
Where we came from (our heritage)
Today
Our challenges in properly evaluating costs
Tomorrow
Potential examples and tools
Conclusions
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Traditional Installation
Methods
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SEAPAC 2009
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Traditional Pre
Commissioning
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The New Generation of
Protection Cabinets
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SEAPAC 2009
• Power distibution to devices
• Fibre Optic for data
• Bay controller for interlocking
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Evolution of
Engineering Tools
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SEAPAC 2009
• Cabling information still required (Less)
• IED Power Distribution still required
• Existing databases update to 61850
• Interlocking via GOOSE msg not hardware
• System Configurator
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61850 Projects
Implementation
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SEAPAC 2009
Change in Skills Sets
• change from Hardwire to GOOSE interlocking or tripping
• Change from I/O Lists to set-up the networks and V-LANS.
• The protection engineer is doing most of the work while setting-up
the protection relays with the messaging requirements.
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Challenges in properly
evaluating costs
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• Reduction in engineering drawings, wiring and panel testing.
• Increase in information to allow future trouble shooting
• Increase in amount of time being expensed in FAT’s (factory
acceptance tests)
• Increase in amount of time in SAT (Site Acceptance tests)
• Increase in labour costs due to high skills set
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Cast Study
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AP B5
SEAPAC 2009
• in engineering drawings, wiring and panel testing. (Down ?? %)
• Increase in information to allow future trouble shooting (Increase
?? %
• Increase in amount of time being expensed in FAT’s (factory
acceptance tests) Increase ?? %)
• Increase in amount of time in SAT (Site Acceptance tests)
Increase ?? %)
• Increase in labour costs due to high skills set (Increase ??)
• Overall Project Cost (Inc/Dec%)
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Some General Comments
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SEAPAC 2009
• While 61850 has been around for some time, we are just starting
to use it.
• It is a new paradigm compared to our previous ways of putting
wires everywhere.
• We are saving costs in regards to the drawings, cabling, etc…
BUT
• We are using more time from highly valuable personnel.
• The Factory and site acceptance tests are much more involved
and time consuming
Future System Configuration Tools will help to reduce Engineering
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Thank You!
Australia
AP B5
SEAPAC 2009
Robert O’ Reilly
Senior Application Engineer
Cooper Power Systems – Canada
Matthew Oong
Regional Sales Manager
Cooper Power Systems - Australia
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