Discussion of \Balance Sheet Recessions" by Zhen Huo and Jose-Victor Rios-Rull Dirk Krueger University of Pennsylvania, CEPR, and NBER MACROECONOMIC DYNAMICS WITH HETEROGENEOUS AGENTS WORKSHOP IN LONDON June 11, 2013 Objective and Approach of the Paper Model-based, quantitatively accurate picture of the great recession. View taken here: great recession { is caused by an exogenous nancial shock, modeled as sudden tightening of housing collateral constraints { is ampli ed through an endogenous fall in house prices (negative wealth e ect, further tightening of collateral constraints) { is propagated through decline in aggregate demand in frictional consumption and labor markets (potentially with sticky wages). Motivating Macro Facts Big increase in debt/income ratio prior to great recession. Dramatic de-leveraging thereafter. Big increase in house prices (and house price-rent-ratio) prior to great recession. Big fall thereafter. UE rate rose * 4% to 10% in great recession, then \jobless recovery". Signi cant decline in (durable) consumption during great recession. Total Debt Balance and its Composition Trillions of Dollars 15 Mortgage HE Revolving Auto Loan Credit Card Trillions of Dollars 15 Student Loan Other 2012Q1 Total: $11.44 Trillion 2011Q4Total: $11.53 Trillion 12 (3%) 12 (8%) (6%) (6%) 9 (5%) 9 (72%) 6 6 3 3 0 0 03:Q1 04:Q1 05:Q1 06:Q1 07:Q1 08:Q1 Source: FRBNY Consumer Credit Panel/Equifax 4 09:Q1 10:Q1 11:Q1 12:Q1 Figure 1: Price-Rent Ratios in the Data The figure compares three measures of the price-rent ratio. The first measure (“Flow of Funds”) is the ratio of residential real estate wealth of the household sector from the Flow of Funds to aggregate housing services consumption from NIPA. The second measure (“Freddie”) is the ratio of the Freddie Mac Conventional Mortgage Home Price Index for purchases to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’s price index of shelter (which measures rent of renters and imputed rent of owners). The third series (“Case-Shiller”) is the ratio of the Case-Shiller national house price index to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’s price index of shelter. All indices are normalized to a value of 100 in 2000.Q4. The data are quarterly from 1970.Q1 until 2008.Q4. The REITs series starts in 1972.Q4 and the Case-Shiller series in 1987.Q1. 150 Freddie Mac 140 Case−Shiller 130 Flow of Funds Index 120 110 100 90 80 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 Year 1995 2000 2005 Facts on the last recession: I 6 10 4 9 2 8 0 7 −2 6 −4 5 −6 −8 2004 2006 2008 2010 2012 4 2004 Real output 2006 2008 2010 2012 Unemployment 6 30 4 20 2 10 0 0 −2 −10 −4 −20 −6 −30 −8 −10 2004 2006 2008 2010 2012 −40 2004 Consumption Huo & Rı́os-Rull (UMN, Mpls Fed, CAERP) 2006 2008 2010 Balance Sheet Recessions 2012 . . . . . . . .. .. .. .. ,.. .. .. Macro Dyn with HA, LBS, 6/11/13 2 / 58 Investment The Model in a Nutshell Krusell-Smith economy with aggregate risk ( ; ( 0j )); frictionless housing, and goods and labor markets with search/matching frictions. Household problem: aggregate state ( ; S ), individual state s = ( ; e; a): Dynamic programming problem: V (s; ; S ) = max cN ;cT ;h;d;b;k;IN 0 n u(cN ; IN ; cT ; h; d) + o 0 0 0 E ;e; V (s ; ; S ) p(S )cN IN + cT + ph(S )h + k + & ( )b = a + 11w(S ) + 10w + q b a0 = ph(S 0)h + R(S; S 0)k b b ( )ph(S )h=q ( ; b) IN = d d (D) Thought Experiments (I Think!?) One time (unexpected?): { tightening of credit constraint: from = 0:85 to { increase in mortgage rate: from & = 0 to & = 30bp Immediate vs. 4 period gradual change Flexible vs. xed wages = 0:75 Key Results De-leveraging? Movement in house prices? (Un-)employment dynamics? Real output and consumption? Dynamics of trade balance? Comments I: Right thought experiment? Want to tell the "story" of great recession: { tightening of credit constraints: Yes { increase in interest rates? Not so much Right results? Mostly promising, but { I don't see a strong di erence in dynamics of TFP and Y =L in data. Paper wants to get Y =L " and succeeds in model. But it's not in their data! 30-year Fixed Rate Conventional Mortgages 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 http://www.economagic.com/ Jun 6 2013 19 90 19 92 19 94 19 96 19 98 20 00 20 02 20 04 20 06 20 08 20 10 20 12 20 14 1 Sudden change of λ, Flex. w 0.5 0 0 −2 −0.5 Fixed w −4 −1 −6 −1.5 −8 −2 −10 −2.5 −12 −3 −3.5 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 −14 0 10 1 2 3 Wealth 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Debt 0 −1 −2 −3 −4 −5 −6 −7 −8 −9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Housing price Huo & Rı́os-Rull (UMN, Mpls Fed, CAERP) Balance Sheet Recessions 8 9 10 . . . . . . . .. .. .. .. ,.. .. .. Macro Dyn with HA, LBS, 6/11/13 35 / 58 1: Sudden change of λ. Flex. w Fixed w 11 0.5 0 10 −0.5 9 −1 8 −1.5 −2 7 −2.5 6 −3 −3.5 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 5 0 1 2 Real output 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 8 9 10 Unemployment 1 5 0 0 −5 −1 −10 −2 −15 −20 −3 −25 −4 −5 0 −30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 −35 0 1 Huo & Rı́os-Rull (UMN, Mpls Fed, CAERP) 2 3 4 5 6 7 Investment Consumption Balance Sheet Recessions . . . . . . . .. .. .. .. ,.. .. .. Macro Dyn with HA, LBS, 6/11/13 34 / 58 1. Sudden change of λ, Flex. w 0.4 Fixed w 1.5 0.2 1 0 0.5 −0.2 −0.4 0 −0.6 −0.5 −0.8 −1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 −1 0 1 TFP with total hours 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 9 10 Labor Productivity 1.6 0.2 1.4 0 1.2 −0.2 1 0.8 −0.4 0.6 −0.6 0.4 −0.8 0.2 −1 0 −0.2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Labor quality Huo & Rı́os-Rull (UMN, Mpls Fed, CAERP) 8 9 10 −1.2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 TFP with total labor inputs Balance Sheet Recessions . . . . . . . .. .. .. .. ,.. .. .. Macro Dyn with HA, LBS, 6/11/13 36 / 58 Facts on the last recession: III 3 4 2 3 1 2 0 1 −1 0 −2 −1 −3 −2 −4 2004 2006 2008 2010 2012 −3 2004 TFP with total hours 0.8 4 0.6 3 0.4 2 0.2 1 0 0 −0.2 −1 −0.4 −2 −0.6 −3 −0.8 −1 2006 2008 2010 2012 Labor productivity −4 2004 2006 2008 2010 Labor quality Huo & Rı́os-Rull (UMN, Mpls Fed, CAERP) 2012 −5 2004 2006 2008 2010 2012 . . . . . . . .. .. .. .. ,.. .. .. Macro Dyn with HA, LBS, 6/11/13 4 / 58 TFP with total labor inputs Balance Sheet Recessions Comments II: Modeling of Housing Note: h is not a state variable. In presence of rental markets complete separation of housing as nancial asset and housing as consumption good. Convenient formulation (avoids nonconvexity in controls, additional state variable). But it is plausible? Also: houses in xed supply! Helps making Ph move a lot (and it does not move nearly as much as in data). The Model in a Nutshell Krusell-Smith economy with aggregate risk ( ; ( 0j )); frictionless housing, and goods and labor markets with search/matching frictions. Household problem: aggregate state ( ; S ), individual state s = ( ; e; a): Dynamic programming problem: V (s; ; S ) = max cN ;cT ;h;d;b;k;IN 0 n u(cN ; IN ; cT ; h; d) + o 0 0 0 E ;e; V (s ; ; S ) p(S )cN IN + cT + ph(S )h + k + & ( )b = a + 11w(S ) + 10w + q b a0 = ph(S 0)h + R(S; S 0)k b b ( )ph(S )h=q ( ; b) IN = d d (D) Comments III: Modeling Collateral Constraint Collateral constraint can be written as q ( ; b)b b ( )ph(S )h (1 + r ) ( )ph(S )h : 1+r &( ) Seems right for new mortgages, not quite right for households with existing mortgages. "Margin call" if ph #? Makes credit (and thus consumption smoothing possibilities) too sensitive to nancial shocks ( ); & ( ): Seems crucial for the potency of the mechanism. Concluding Remarks Physics: in search of the great unifying theory of everything. A theory of everything (ToE) or nal theory is a putative theory of theoretical physics that fully explains and links together all known physical phenomena, and predicts the outcome of any experiment that could be carried out in principle...The central issue is how to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics. [Wikipedia] Concluding Remarks This paper is equally ambitious and has the same avor. Lots (!) of facts to be explained within uni ed theory (that combines RBC theory with demand-driven business cycles). Lots (!) of moving pieces. All necessary qualitatively? All useful quantitatively? Success? Given the results so far perhaps!?