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DOCUMENT I S THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MMgSTYjS GOVERNMENT).
C RET
COPY NO
C A B I N E T
53(30).
M e e t i n g of t h e C a b i n e t t o be h e l d a t
10,. Downing S t r e e t , S . W . I . , on THURSDAY,
1 8 t h SEPTEMBER, 1 9 3 0 , a t 1 0 . 3 0 a . m .
PROVISIONAL AGENDA..
1.
PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.
(Reference Cabinet 44(30), Conclusion
6(b)).
C o n s l u s i o n s of t h e Committee, of Home A f f a i r s
i n r e g a r d t o t h e c l a s s i f i c a t i o n of v a r i o u s
B i l l s ( m a j o r and m i n o r ) p r o p o s e d f o r t h e
forthcoming Session.
(II. A. C 1 3 t h C o n c l u s i o n s ( 3 0 )
to be
£.
circulated)
CO-ORDINATION OF LONDON PASSENGER TRAFFIC.
(Referenoo Cabinet 4 7 ( 3 0 ) , Conclusion
Conclusion 10).
8 , and 4 4 ( 3 0 ) ,
Memorandum by t h e M i n i s t e r o f T r a n s p o r t ,
( C P . 297(30)
already c i r c u l a t e d ) .
RAISING THE SCHOOL LEAVING AGE - MAINTENAflC2 ALLOWANCES
Memorandum by t h e P r e s i d e n t o f t h e B o a r d
of
Education,
( C P . 303(30)
t o be c i r c u l a t e d ) .
( S g d . ) M . P . A . HANEBY..
Secretary,
itehall
Gardens,
S.V/.1.,
11th September,
1930.
Cabinet
IPHTS
h
E
DOCUMENT
C R
E
I S
THE
PROPERTY
OP
HIS
BRITANNIC
MAJESTY'S
GCVBRN..CNT)
T.
COPY NO.
C
A
B I N E T
5S( 5 0 ) . .
CONCLUSIONS of a M e e t i n g of t h e C a b i n e t h e l d a t
1 0 , Downing S t r e e t , S.W..1. , on THURSDAY,
S e p t e m b e r 1 8 t h , 1930
a t 10.30 a.m.
PRESENT:
The R i g h t Hon. J . R a m s a y M a c D o n a l d , M . P . ,
(in the Chair). ­
Prime M i n i s t e r . .
?he R i g h t Hon.
P h i l i p Snowden,M.P.;,
C h a n c e l l o r of t h e
Exchequer.
The R i g h t Hon.
J.H.Thomas,M.r'.,
S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r
Dominion A f f a i r s . .
[he R i g h t Hon.
JLord P a s s f i e l d ,
- S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e
ITHE C o l o n i e s .
The R i g h t Hon.
Lord Parmoor of F r i e t h ,
K . C . V . O . , K . C . , Lord
P r e s i d e n t of t h e C o u n c i l .
for
The R i g h t H o n . .
: Lord S a n k e y , G . B . E . ,
Lord C h a n c e l l o r , ,
The R i g h t Hon.
J.R.Clynes,M.P.,
S e c r e t a r y , of S t a t e
Home A f f a i r s . '
Pie R i g h t Hon.
:lV -edgwocd B e n n , D . S . O . ,
I D . F . C . , M . P . , S e c r e t a r y of
[State for I n d i a .
The R i g h t Hon.­
Tom S h a w , C . B . E . , M . P . - , ,
S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e for'.
War.
me R i g h t Hon.
[fiord T h o m s o n j C . B . E . , D . S . O . ,
l e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r A i r .
The R i g h t H o n . .
Vernon Hart s h o r n , 0 . B . E . , ,
M.P., Lord P r i v y Seal.-.
jje R i g h t Hon.
f f r t h u r Gretnwood,:M.P. ,
M i n i s t e r of H e a l t h .
The R i g h t Hon.
M a r g a r e t Bandf i e l d , M . ' P . y
M i n i s t e r of L a b e u r . .
lie R i g h t Hon.
I j i r i s t o p h e r A d d i s o n , M . P-.,
M i n i s t e r of A g r i c u l t u r e
SID F i s h e r i e s .
The R i g h t Hon.
Sir Oharles Trevslyan, B t , ,
M . P . , P r e s i d e n t of t h e
B o a r d of E d u c a t i o n . .
ifl R i g h t Hon.
g l l i a m Graham, M.P. ,
R e s i d e n t of t h e B o a r d
If T r a d e . .
T h e R i g h t Hon.
Alexander,M.?,,
F i r s t L o r d of t h e
Admiralty.
R i g h t Hon.
ip.liam A d a m s o n , M , P . ,
Secretary of -State f o r
& t land.
T h e R i g h t Hon.
George L a n s b u r y , M . P . ,
F i r s t C o m m i s s i o n e r of
Works,
;
;
r
THE
v Herbert
L n i e t e r of
FOLLOWING
Morrison,M.?.,
Transport.
WERE
ALSO
for
PRESENT:
Mr, Thomas K e n n e d y , M . P .
Chief Whip.
C o l o n e l S i r M . P . A . H a n k e y . , G . C . B . ,G.C.M.G
Secretary.
PARLIAMENTARY
USINESS.
1 . The C a b i n e t h a d b e f o r e their, t h e
of t h e C o m m i t t e e o f Home A f f a i r s
Conclusions
in regard to
the
Previous
c l a s s i f i c a t i o n o v a r i o u s B i l l s (major and minor)
Reference:
Cabinet 44
p r o p o s e d f o r t h e f o r t h c o m i n g S e s s i o n ^E.A*C .. 1 3 t h
( 3 0 ) , Con­
e l u s i o n 6 ( b ) . ) C o n c l u s i o n s ( 3 0 ) ) . The l i s t , a s recommended by
f
t h e C o m m i t t e e o f Home A f f a i r s ,
t h e following
was d i v i d e d
into
categories:-
List
( A ) . - U s u a l C o m p u l s o r y or A n n u a l
Bills .
List
( B ) . - Urgent and e s s e n t i a l
£ills:­
(B)
( i ) . - B i l l s w h i c h must become
law by C h r i s t m a s , 1 9 3 0 .
(B)
( i i ) . - B i l l s l i k e l y to be r e q u i r e d
a s a r e s u l t of t h e coming ,
I m p e r i a l and I n d i a n C o n f e r ­
ences.
List
(C). -
Other E s s e n t i a l
List
(D). -
Important B i l l s .
List
( E ) . - Useful B i l l s , mainly
controversial .
List
( P ) . - B i l l s which a r e not r e a d y and
which can s t a n d over f o r
consideration at a l a t e r date.
"List
(G). - Consolidation
In addition,
Bills.
of T r a n s p o r t
in regard to the Co-ordinating
Passenger Traffic,
non­
t h e C a b i n e t h a d b e f o r e them a
Memorandum by t h e M i n i s t e r
(30))
Bills.
pressing,
(C.P..-S97
of London
in the light
of
the
p r o g r e s s made a n d t h e u r g e n c y of t h e p r o b l e m ,
i m p o r t a n c e of i n c l u d i n g
the
i n t h e E i n g ' s Speech an
i n d i c a t i o n of l e g i s l a t i o n
on t h i s
subject
next
Sess i o n .
In the Conclusions
Affairs
of t h e C o m m i t t e e o f Home
I t h a d ' b e e n p o i n t e d out t h a t t h e . o r d e r
of
r e l a t i v e i m p o r t a n c e of t h e B i l l s w o u l d h a v e t o b e
d e t e r m i n e d by t h e C a b i n e t ;
those in
categories
(B) a n d (C) b e i n g r e g a r d e d by t h e C o m m i t t e e a s
equally urgent
(B)
and e s s e n t i a l ,
from t h e p o i n t
category
those in
of view of t i m e ,
(C) from t h e p o i n t
The C a b i n e t a c c o r d i n g l y
and t h o s e
of v i e v of
in
policy.
concentrated i t s
m a i n l y on t h e B i l l s i n c a t e g o r i e s
The C a b i n e t a g r e e d
category
attention
(B) and
(C).
—
( a ) To a p p r o v e L i s t ( A ) , " U s u a l Com­
p u l s o r y or Annual B i l l s " as s u b ­
m i t t ed by t h e Committee o f Home
Affairs, viz.:­
P r mvious
References .
;
ill.
Department.
40(29)4.
Ex p i r i ng Law s C o n ­
tinuance Bill
139(28)11.
Telegraph
Bill.
^6(29)2 App.
Finance
Bill
Treasury .
16(29)2 App.
C o n s o l i d a t ed
Fund B i l l s
Treasury .
p ( 2 9 ) 2 App.
Appropriat ion
Bill
Tr e a s u r y .
15(30)17
P u b l i c Works
Loan B i l l
Treasury.
15(30)8
I s l e of Man
Customs B i l l
Treasury.
Army and A i r F o r c e
Annual B i l l .
War O f f i c e and
Air Ministry .
(Money)
Remarks .
Treasury .
Post
Office.
( b ) T h a t t h e f o l l o w i n g B i l l s from L i s t s
- (B) and (0) s h o u l d b e s e l e c t e d p r o ­
vis ionally for inclusion i n t h e
K i n g ' 3 S p e e c h , as t h e :, a l o r B i l l s
for.the Session:From L i s t \B) ( i ) of H . A . O . 1 5 t h Con­
e l u s i o n s (50) .
16(30)6
Unemployment
Insurance Bill
No . 1
Ministry o.f.
Lab o u r .
I (30)6
Unemployment
Insurance Bill
No .2
Ministry
Lab our .
6
of
In order to
deal with
the finance
o f t h e scheme
To d e a l w i t h
the transit i o n a l period,
^Previous
gftferenoes .
:
Goh.ool-lea.ving
Age B i l l
Board of
Education.
I n view of t h e
p r e s s u r e on
Par1iam ent ary
time before
Christmas, the
P r e s i d e n t of t h e
B o a r d of B d u c a ­
t i o n to consider
whether the l a t e r
S t a g e s of t h e B i l l
can be t a k e n i n
t h e New Y e a r ,
From L i s t (B) ( i i ) . - B i l l s l i k e l y
to...be., r e q u i r e d a s a. r e s u l t o f t h e
coming: I m p e r i a l , and I n d i a n O o n f e r ­
enoes .
£1(30)1
The S t a t u t e
Westminster
Regency
of
Dominions
Office.
Bill
Empire Tribunal
Bill
B i l l t o deal., on
a reciprocal
has i s , with the
p o s i t i o n of
a r m e d f o r c e s of
t h e Crown
Nationality
Cereals
India
tion)
Bill
Home
Office.
Bill
M i n i s t r y of
A g r i c u l t u r e and F i s h ( C o n s t i t r-­
Bill
India Office.
A final
d e c i s i o n on
these Bills
can only be
taken after
the Imperial
and I n d i a n
Conferences,
It is essen­
t i a l , however,
that Bills
r e s u l t i n g from
thelmperial
Conference
should be
passed before
t h ey a r e
p a s s ed by any
Dominion.
From L i s t ( O o f H . A . C . 1 3 t h Con­
clusions... J 3 0 ) - Other E s s e n t i a l
Bills.
1POO)I
f,(50)9.(b)
jffH^Ojl- App
Agricultural
Marketing B i l l .
M i n i s t r y of
A g r i c u l t u r e and
Fisheries.
B i l l t o deal with
Land A c q u i s i t i o n ,
Land S e t t l e m e n t ,
Large-Scale
F a r m i n g and
D em o n s t r a t i o n
Farms
M i n i s t r y of
A g r i c u l t u r e and.
Fisheries,
The f i r s t
B i l l t o be
introduced
as soon as
possible
after the
D e b a t e on
t h e Address
trfevious ­
fp.f e r e n c e s
:
1(^0)7
Trade
Bill
IT 3 0 ) 0 .
London
Bill
2(30)1(a)
Town P l a n n i n g
Bill
Ministry
Health.
of
Mat e r n i t y
Bill
Ministry
Health.
of
bo) 5
Disputes
Traffic
Law
Officers.
M i n i s t r y of
T r a n s p o r t ..
To b e i n c l u d e d
i n t h e King ' s
Speech^ b u t t h e
d a t e of i n t r o ­
d u e t i o n and
t h e q u e s t i o n of
Pa r 1 i am e n t a r y
t im e t o b e
considered
when t h e n e g o ­
t i a t i o n s have
a d v a n c e d f u r t h er.
Subject to
Cabinet approval
of t h e p r i n c i p l e
of t h e B i l l ,
to take the
place
an
Insurance
and/or Pensions
B i l l i n H.A.C.
13th Conclu­
s i o n s ( 30) .
0
2 9 ) 2 App
Children
Bill
Home
Office.
50)1
Factories
Bill
E om e
Office.
Hours of
Employment
Bill
M i n i s t r y of )
Labour.
)
Consumers '
0 ouncil
Bill
Board of
Trade.
Mining
Royalties
Treasury,
Bo) 7
50)4
l0)9
The C h i l d r e n
Bill to take
precedence
over the
Factories Bill
a n d Hours of
Employment
Bill.
)
To b e i n t r o ­
duced b e f o r e
Christmas, but
t h e Second
Reading t o be
postponed u n t i l
t h e Nev: Y e a r .
"D N T
"I
I
150) 7
(c) That t h e following B i l l s should b e
reserved for further c o n s i d e r a t i o n : ­
Dyes t u f f s
Bill
B o a r d of
Trade.
To b e c o n s i d e r e d by
t h e Cabinet
in October,
when t h e
P r e s i d e n t of
t h e Board of
Trade w i l l r a i s e
the question.
Previous
References
E d u c a t i o n ( Scot­
land) B i l l
Scottish
Office.
The S e c r e t a r y o f
S t a t e for Scot­
land, in consult­
ation with the
P r e s i d e n t of t h e
Board of Educa­
t i o n , to consider
the possibility
of l e g i s l a t i n g
for Scotland in
the English B i l l .
Non-Provided
Elementary
Schools B i l l
B o a r d of
Education,
The P r e s i d e n t o f
t h e Board of
Education to
advise the
Cabinet l a t e r
in regard to
this Bill.
36(29)2 A p p . B i l l t o amend
Foreign
Office.
To b e r a i s e d by
t h e S e c r e t a r y of
S t a t e for Foreign
A f f a i r s i f and
when t h e n e g o t i a ­
tions with the
Chinese Govern­
ment a r e c o m p l e t e ,
Probably non­
controv e r s i a l .
27(30)12
Insurance
and/or
Pensions
Bill
Ministry
Health.
51(23)9
Ag r i c u l t u r a l
Credits
(Scotland)
Bill
Scottish
Office.
44(30)12
Land V a l u a t i o n
Bill
Treasury
27(39)9
China Indemnity
(Application)
A c t . 1925
of
Not l i k e l y t o b e
ready in the
present Session,
but might b e t h e
p r i n c i p a l measure
of a f u t u r e
Session.
The C h a n c e l l o r o f
t h e ^Exchequer t o
consider whether
t h e c o n t e n t s of
t h e B i l l could be
included in the
Finance B i l l .
( d ) The B i l l t o e x t e n d t h e . . . o p e r a t i o n
o f t h e M i n e r s ' W e l f a r e Levy was
recognised t o be r e q u i r e d , but .
a s n o t much P a r l i a m e n t a r y t i m e
was n e e d e d i t was n o t i n c l u d e d
i n t h e l i s t of m a j o r B i l l s .
( e ) The i n t r o d u c t i o n of t h e C u n a r d
( i n s u r a n c e ) Agreement B i l l b e f o r e
C h r i s t m a s was n o t c o n s i d e r e d
n e c e s s a r y , a s t h e Company h a d
r e c e i v e d a l e t t e r from t h e
Board of Trade whish would e n a b l e
the?; t o p r o c e e d w i t h t h e c o n s t r u c ­
t i o n of t h e s h i p c o n c e r n e d .
As
t h e B i l l was l i k e l y t o b e n o n ­
c o n t r o v e r s i a l , i t is not i n c l u d e d
among t h e m a j o r m e a s u r e s t o b e
introduced.
(f)
That t h e r e m a i n d e r of t h e B i l l s
i n c l u d e d i n L i s t s (D) and (E) o f
t h e R e p o r t of t h e Committee of
Home A f f a i r s , e v e n t h o u g h i m p o r t a n t
or u s e f u l , c o u l d not be i n c l u d e d
i n t h e programme,, a l t h o u g h P a r l i a ­
m e n t a r y t i m e m i g h t b e found f o r
some of them d u r i n g t h e S e s s i o n
by a r r a n g e m e n t b e t w e e n t h e M i n i s t e r
c o n c e r n e d and t h e P a r l i a m e n t a r y
S e c r e t a r y t o t h e T r e a s u r y and t h e
Prime M i n i s t e r .
(g) That t h e P a r l i a m e n t a r y S e c r e t a r y
t o the Treasury should arrange
f o r t h e s e t t i n g u p of a l l f o u r
Standing Committees a t t h e b e g i n ­
n i n g of t h e S e s s i o n .
( h ) T h a t i n t h e e v e n t of s e r i o u s o b s t r u c
t i o n a r i s i n g i n Standing Committees
i n c o n n e c t i o n w i t h any p a r t i c u l a r
B i l l or B i l l s , t h e C a b i n e t s h o u l d
c o n s i d e r t h e d e s i r a b i l i t y of a s k i n g
t h e House o** Commons t o amend t h e
procedure in connection with the
B i l l or B i l l s c o n c e r n e d ;
e.g
by
g i v i n g g r e a t e r powers t o t h e
C h a i r m e n i n t h e s e l e c t i o n of
amendments .
(i)
That t h e Prime M i n i s t e r , i n con­
s u i t at ion with t h e Parlian entary
S e c r e t a r y to t h e T r e a s u r y , should
give consideration to the P a r l i a ­
m e n t a r y t i m e - t a b l e from t h e p o i n t
of view o f p a s s i n g t h e l i s t of B i l l s
referred to above.
Any M i n i s t e r
r e q u i r i n g a Supplementary Estimate
was a s k e d t o c o m m u n i c a t e w i t h t h e
Prime M i n i s t e r at the e a r l i e s t
p o s s i b l e moment.
2.
The C a b i n e t h a d b e f o r e - t h e m a R e.:i.-orandvi:-v
by t h e P r e s i d e n t
( C . P . - 3 Q 3 (oC))
school-leaving
of t h e B o a r d o^ £ d u c a t i o n
on t h e s u b j e c t
of r a i s i n g
a g e and m a i n t e n a n c e
allowances.
A^ter discussion with the Chancellor
E x c h e q u e r , and w i t h h i s
of
concurrence,
cases
the
the
President proposed that maintenance
should be l i m i t e d to
the
allowances
i n which t h e
parents'
i n c o m e does n o t e x c e e d £ 3 a week i f t h e y h a v e
o " two c h i l d - e n :
children:
£3:5:0 if
they have
£ 3 : 1 5 : 0 i f they h a v e four
£ 4 : 5 : 0 i f they have f i v e
children:
they have six
£5:5:0 if
children:
s e v e n or more c h i l d r e n .
approximately
one
three
children:
£4:15:0
they
Ee e s t i m a t e d
if
have
that
75 p e r c e n t , o f t h e c h i l d r e n
of
1 4 t o 15 i n t h e s c h o o l s w o u l d r e c e i v e
allowances
on t h i s b a s i s .
that
Authorities
The P r e s i d e n t t h o u g h t
c o u l d n o t b e p r o h i b i t e d from
the applications
of p a r e n t s
warned t h C a b i n e t
originally
verifying
i f they thought
Fe proposed, t o s e c u r e t h e agreement
Education Authorities
Local
of t h e
fit.
Local
t o t h e scheme, though he
that
the Local A u t h o r i t i e s
p r e s s e d f o r 100 p e r c e n t , g r a n t ,
had
and
i t w o u l d b e by no imeans e a s y t o p e r s u a d e them
work riQy- p r o p o s a l s
grant,
particularly
on t h e b a s i s
if,
a t t h e same t i m e ,
d e p r i v e d of t h e d i s c r e t i o n a r y
press
for
o^ t h e i r
If t h e Local A u t h o r i t i e s
any f u r t h e r
were
they
own
continued
a h i g h e r r a t e h e was p r e p a r e d t o
with the B i l l without
cent,
they
powers t h a t
would, h a v e h a d u n d e r t h e R e p o r t
Committee.
o f a 60 p e r
to
to
proceed
c o n c e s s i o n t o than".
The C a b i n e t ' a p p r o v e d t h e a b o v e
-
p r o p o s a l s , and a u t h o r i s e d t h e x r e s i d e n t
of
t h e B o a r d of E d u c a t i o n t o p r o c e e d - w i t h
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p r e p a r a t i o n of a B i l l .
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September,
19.30.
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I t toas s u g g e s t e d t h a t , b e f o r e
t h e B i l l was i n t r o d u c e d , i t
would be a d v i s a b l e t o d i s c u s s
i t w i t h s u p p o r t e r s of t h e
G o v e r n m e n t i n t h e House o f
Commons.