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C A B I N E T ,
OTTAWA C0l!?gR 5NCB (AGREEMENTS) B I L L .
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Note by the
The a t t a c h e d r e c o r d o f
7thj
1932, i s
circulated
l?rime M i n i s t e r ?
the c o p i e s of
Secretaryo
a Conference
h o l d on September
t o t h e C a b i n e t by d i r e c t i o n of
C o p i e s o f A n n e x e s I t o IV a r c a t t a c h e d
t h i s document s e n t to
t h e M i n i s t e r s who
composed t h e U n i t e d K i n g d o m D e l e g a t i o n t o t h e
Ottawa
Conference o
. n n o x V i s appended to a l l
c o p i e s of t h i s
(Signed) M P.A
0
Secretary
iehall G a r d e n s , S . V . 1
September 9 t h ,
1932
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document,,
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to t h e
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OTTAWA COITFSRSNCE (AGREEMENTS) B I L L .
N o t e of C o n f e r e n c e h e l d b y t h e P r i m e
Minister's.
d i r e c t i o n i n t h e C a b i n e t Room,, 1 0 , Downing S t r e e t ,
on September 7 t h ,
S.W.1,
1932o
PRESENT;The P r i m e M i n i s t e r
(in the
chair).
S i r Y/arren F i s h e r and M r , \ 7 a t e r f i e l d
S i r Edward F o r b e r
(Customs and E x c i s e ) .
M r , G r a n v i l l e Ram ( P a r l i a m e n t a r y
Mr, H a r r i s
(l)
I,
(Whips
Office)
1
II,
Note of
August 30th
III.
IV.
document)
papers:
Legislation
to t h e Prime
1 s t Meeting of
(Annex
Minister.,
covering:
a Conference h e l d
on
II);
Note of 2nd M e e t i n g on September 1 s t
Minute by P a r l i a m e n t a r y Counsel on
Parliamentary
0
the following
Memorandum o n O t t a w a A g r e e m e n t s
s u b m i t t e d b y S i r "warren F i s h e r
I. p a r a . ( l )
Counsel).
c
The C o n f e r e n c e d i s c u s s e d
(Annex I t o t h e p r e s e n t
(Treasury),
time-table
(2; I r i s h Free
(Annex
III);
the
(Annex I V ) ,
State,
THE PRIME MINISTER a g r e e d t h a t ,
if
a
separate
a g r e e m e n t w e r e made w i t h t h e I r i s h F r e e S t a t e ,
a
B i l l would be n e c e s s a r y , b u t a s k e d w h e t h e r ,
agreement
were to be reached on o t h e r p o i n t s ,
if
t h e r e was a n y t h i n g
t h e Ottawa Agreements to which the I r i s h F r e e
might take
separate
in
State
objection,,
So f a r
a s t h e C o n f e r e n c e was a w a r e ,
the
was i n t h e n e g a t i v e ; b u t i t was p o i n t e d o u t t h a t
modification under A r t i c l e
5 of
answer
the
t h e Canadian Agreement
of the conditions governing the importation into the
United Kingdom of live cattle from Canada might conflict
with Irish Free State interests,,
( 3 ) Duration of new Duties: Should a time-limit
he imposed i:a the Bill?
a
THE PRII.S MINISTER said that this raised an
important question of constitutional policy.
House of Commons was very
The
jealous of its powers of con­
trol over fiscal matters and most unwilling to hind
P
itself, and still more its successors, for any future
period beyond the financial year,, 3xii
the Bill as
drafted would bind Parliament indefinitely, subject only
to the right of the Executive to denounce the Agreements
after a specified intervale
The Ottawa Agreements
constituted an entirely new departure in the fiscal
policy of this country:
and he anticipated that the Free
Trade clement, in the House of Commons would argue that
the proposals should be treated as an experiment, not to
be extended beyond the initial period contemplated in the
Agreements without fresh authority being obtained from
Parliament
0
Furtherp he personally felt considerable appre­
hension lest the working of the Agreements should prove
unsatisfactory in certain respects" for instance, the
Dominion Tariff Boards were bound to give our representa­
tives right of audience and would no doubt do so;
5
but
what guarantee had we that our representations, howeverj
well-founded, v/ould be given due effect in the
recommendations of the Board?
He felt that it would be
much easier to justify the new duties politically if a
time-limit were imposed in the Billo
MR. GRANVILLE RAM o b s e r v e d t h a t - t h e A g r e e m e n t s
appeared to contemplate
ad i n f i n i t u m ,
Agreement\
unless
if
the retention
of t h e new
the Bill limited the
of t h e d u t i e s t o a c e r t a i n p e r i o d o n l y ,
t h a t we w e r e g i v i n g f u l l
title
effect
of t h e B i l l p r o f e s s e d
a time-limit
duties
e i t h e r p a r t y should denounce
therefore
were imposed,
duration
could i t be
as
necessary
of
i n some f o r m b e s e c u r e d t h e r i g h t
formula,
years
that
(e g
c
?
it
that
if before
if
B
p r o n o u n c e a g a i n on t h e A g r e e m e n t s a f t e r
and t h o u g h t
the
the
THE PRIME MINISTER h o w e v e r w a s s a t i s f i e d
P a r l i a m e n t must
said
He t h o u g h t t h a t ,
some m o d i f i c a t i o n
w o r d i n g of t h e t i t l e m i g h t b e
the-
to the Agreements,
t o do?
a certain
s h o u l d be p o s s i b l e t o f i n d
a
that
to
period,
suitable
t h e d u t i e s may b e c o n t i n u e d a f t e r
4-g- y e a r s h a v e e l a p s e d a n
5
affirmatory
R e s o l u t i o n h a s b e e n p a s s e d by P a r l i a m e n t , )
which would
i n v o l v e no d e p a r t u r e from t h e t e r n s
Agreement.
( )
4
D a t e of O p e r a t i o n of
of t h e
Duties
THE PRIME MINISTER o b s e r v e d t h a t
contemplated that
come i n t o f o r c e
at
the
Bill
the d u t i e s should not n e c e s s a r i l y
the
same t i m e .
It
U n t i l " i n t h e o p i n i o n of t h e
I n d i a was " i n a p o s i t i o n t o f u l f i l
the
ail
was e x p l a i n e d
t h e o n l y c a s e i n w h i c h p o s t p o n e m e n t was l i k e l y t o
p l a c e was I n d i a , .
' ­
that
take
Treasury"
agreement";
the
) *I
U n i t e d Kingdom w o u l d r e f r a i n from i m p o s i n g a n y new d u t y
w h i c h was p r o v i d e d s o l e l y i n t h e I n d i a n A g r e e m e n t .
t h e m e a n w h i l e I n d i a w o u l d of c o u r s e e n j o y
of a n y d u t i e s w h i c h m i g h t h a v e b e e n
(a) the
imposed under
But
in
benefit
a g r e e m e n t s made a t
and (b)
freedom,
from t h e
Ottawa w i t h o t h e r " a s s e n t i n g
under S,4
( 2 ) of t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s
ad v a l o r e m d u t i e s u n d e r t h a t
c o n t i n u e to enjoy
those benefits
T r e a s u r y were s a t i s f i e d
agreements
countries",
that
Act;
and s h e w o u l d
u n l e s s and u n t i l
the
she was n o t f u l f i l l i n g
the
a n d a c c o r d i n g l y made a n O r d e r d i r e c t i n g
that
h e deemed n o t t o h e an " a s s e n t i n g c o u n t r y " f o r t h e
of t h e
. (9).
Parliamentary
Time-Table,,
THE PRIMS MINISTER o b s e r v e d t h a t
as set
out
allow sufficient
through all
begin
time­
i n Mr. Ram's Minute d i d n o t a p p e a r
time for
stages
the Lords t o pass the
permissible
two a l t e r n a t i v e
i n t i m e t o e n a b l e t h e new S e s s i o n
date.
The C o n f e r e n c e
suggestions,
(i)
adjourning
and ( i i )
then
t h e new S e s s i o n on November
22nd,
on D e c e m b e r
p r o r o g u e d on November 1 0 t h ,
After
A c o p y of t h e
being
the
considerable
cussion the Prime-Minister decided t h a t
M?%
. H a r r i s t o work out
forward
and m e e t i n g a g a i n f o r
new S e s s i o n on N o v e m b e r 1 5 t h .
must be a d o p t e d ,
22nd,
s h o u l d be p u t
a w e e k , P a r l i a m e n t m e e t i n g on O c t o b e r 1 1 t h ,
the
dis­
second
arid d e s i r e d Mr, Ram a n d
a revised time-table
revised time-table,
s u b s e q u e n t l y approved by t h e Prime M i n i s t e r ,
(Annex V ) .
should
18th,
t h a t t h e above t i m e - t a b l e
alternative
discussed
on November
for the Christmas recess
to
the
that Parliament
on O c t o b e r 1 8 t h , b e p r o r o g u e d
and meet a g a i n f o r
to
Bill
on t h e 1 5 t h N o v e m b e r ; w h i c h h e r e g a r d e d a s
latest
meet
the
accordingly.
as
is
she
purpose
Act,
(5)
table
Act,
attached
II.
Page 2
.(6)
0
Drawbacks,
THE PRIME MINISTER r e m a r k e d t h a t he h a d
c e r t a i n n u m b e r of c o m p l a i n t s o f t h e a b s e n c e
drawback under t h e Import D u t i e s A c t ,
of
end he
t h e p o i n t w o u l d b e r a i s e d i n d e b a t e on t h e
a.
thought
Ottawa
Bill.
SIR E . PCRBER s a i d t h a t
the Import
A d v i s o r y Committee had power t o recommend
a l l o w a n c e of d r a w b a c k ,
so i n one c a s e .
and had i n f a c t
Page 5 .
(7)
P r o h i b i t i o n of R u s s i a n
of
T r a d e , h e was a b o u t t o
submit t o
a recommendation t h a t
the Foreign
requested to take the necessary
Russian Treaty forthwith,
the prohibition
the
a fresh
having
Chancellor
of t h e B o a r d
the Prime
Office
of
Minister
should be
s t e p s t o denounce
witli a view t o
the
of R u s s i a n i m p o r t s i n c o n f o r m i t y
if
for
with
occasion
arise.
THE PRIME MINISTER s a i d t h a t , u n t i l h e
the present
this Article
paper,
he had n o t f u l l y
realised
of t h e C a n a d i a n A g r e e m e n t
very uneasy about
it.
Although the
read
that
involved
i m m e d i a t e d e n u n c i a t i o n of t h e R u s s i a n T r e a t y ,
he f e l t
the
t r e a t y which would p r o v i d e
i n t e n t i o n of t h e C a n a d i a n A g r e e m e n t ,
should
was
drawback.
a u t h o r i t y from t h e
of t h e E x c h e q u e r a n d t h e P r e s i d e n t
n e g o t i a t i o n of
there
done
Dumping.
SIR WARREN FISHER s a i d t h a t ,
received the necessary
the
recently
H i s i m p r e s s i o n was t h a t
n o w i d e - s p r e a d demand f o r a l l o w a n c e
Duties
the
and
clause
i n t h e B i l l was drawn i n g e n e r a l t e r m s ,
once he c l e a r
no o n e e l s e
that
was n o t
the f u l f i l m e n t
encouraging,
with us l a t e l y ;
towards
0
not b u t be g r e a t l y
unemployment
However,
a n d Germany f o r
consult his colleagues
trade;
further before
of
the
the
the
signatory
t h e m e e t i n g of P a r l i a m e n t .
Wednesday f o r p u b l i c a t i o n
October 6th,
Agreements^
agreed that
contemplating
c o u n t r i e s , a few
say,
15
the
days
that
release
previous
dissuade
Thursday
the
He a p p r o v e d
the
of a t e l e g r a m f o r
t h a t we " w e r e a t
that Parliament
on O c t o b e r 1 1 t h .
the
i n t h e m o r n i n g p a p e r s of
Dominions Office
which would s t a t e
action
submission.,
Assuming
Dominions from e a r l i e r p u b l i c a t i o n .
purpose,
carried
Agreements
"Ye s h o u l d e n d e a v o u r t o
d e s p a t c h by t h e
orders.
should
m e t o n O c t o b e r 1 1 t h t h i s w o u l d mean
documents to t h e P r e s s on,
further
authorising
THE PRIME MINISTER f u l l y
in a l l
of
c o n s i d e r w h e t h e r he
c o u r s e was t o p u b l i s h a l l
could
and i t must be
(3) D a t e o f P u b l i c a t i o n of t h e
Parliament
a n d he
on t h e l o s s o f R u s s i a n
i n a c c o r d a n c e w i t h S i r Tar r e n F i s h e r ' s
before
off-hand
concerned a t the prospect
consequent
simultaneously
while
of t h e C a n a d i a n A g r e e m e n t
Russia had been very
o u t ; b u t he w o u l d h a v e t o
proper
treat;/
commercial terms
t h e r e was t h e A g r e e m e n t ,
para.4,
and
she h a d b e e n t u r n i n g more a n d more
the U S A,
0
at
of n e g o t i a t i n g a new
t h a t would give u s s a t i s f a c t o r y
providing for
would
i t was d i r e c t e d a g a i n s t R u s s i a
The p r o s p e c t
0
it
this
present
s h o u l d b e summoned t o
meet
(9)
for
the draft
Conference
said
SIR WARREN FISHER s a i d t h a t he h a d
B i l l t o h e d i s c u s s e d by t h e
next
day a t
10 30 a m.
o
0
t h a t he would p r e s i d e h i m s e l f
(10)
i f he c o u l d s p a r e
himself with
the
the
possible.,
THE PRIME MINISTER d i r e c t e d t h a t a c o p y o f
the Minutes should be s e n t t o the C a b i n e t ,
t a k e n t o g e t them a t
Ottawa,,
Inter-departmental
a n d t h e PRIMS MINISTER
t i m e , a s he w o u l d l i k e t o f a m i l i a r i s e
B i l l a s much a s
arranged
once t o M i n i s t e r s
care
being
concerned with
hi o i
A_N_JI.JS._X
I.
OTTAWA ., AGREEMENTS
LEGISLATION.
Two m e e t i n g s have
chairmanship
of
been h e l d , under
of S i r W a r r e n F i s h e r ,
cbe T r e a s u r y ,
Copy of t h e n o t e s
of
Agriculture
of p r o c e e d i n g s ,
a n d of a M i n u t e
question
of
the
by
Parliamentary
attached.
The c o n c l u s i o n s
of t h e M e e t i n g may b e
summarised
follows:
(l)
The A g r e e m e n t s i n f u l l
the B i l l ,
effect
the t i t l e
s h o u l d be s c h e d u l e d
of w h i c h m i g h t b e ;
"A B i l l t o
to c e r t a i n Agreements entered i n t o
(2)
w h o l e of
The B i l l
the
should, a s f a r
at
as possible
including e.g.
(Canadian Agreement A r t i c l e
2l),
the B i l l
outside
purposes
of t h e P a r l i a m e n t
(3)
follow
The c l a u s e s
strictly
the Executive
"(4)
Schedule
the d e f i n i t i o n
to
without
limitation
for
of
should as a r u l e
the Agreements,
s h o u l d be s e t
than i s u s e d
The B i l l
take
the
out t h e
out i n a
should i t s e l f
of d a t e ,
-8- '
the
of t h e
separate
definition
without
Agreements).
i m p o s e t h e new
i n i t i a l period
give
Agreements.
in the Agreements,
the i n t e n t i o n
either
or
( i n some c a s e s m o r e p r e c i s e
c o u r s e d e p a r t i n g from
(5)
5 and
o f a Money B i l l
g e n e r a l powers to c a r r y
may b e r e q u i r e d
control
Act.
the language
the B i l l
Government
Russia
which would
of t h e B i l l
The new d u t i e s
the
the
of Meat I m p o r t s ( A u s t r a l i a n Agreement A r t i c l e
o f i m p o r t s from
give
cover
measures f o r
S c h e d u l e H) a n d p r o h i b i t i o n
to
Ottawa."
a c t i o n u n d e r t a k e n by H i s M a j e s t y ' s
in the Agreements,
of
5
a n d P a r l i a m e n t a r y CoTinsel-
P a r l i a m e n t a r y C o u n s e l on t h e
as
representatives
B o a r d of T r a d e , M i n i s t r y
Customs, Dominions O f f i c e ,
programme, a r e
with
the
duties
in
the
Agreements being merely a minimum period.
(The attention of Ministers is drawn to the
political implications of this recommendation.
The
Opposition may very likely press for a limitation of the
life of the new duties to the i initial period of the Agree ­
ment, or say a maximum period of 5 years, unless Parliament
shall otherwise determine.)
(6)
Power must be given to the Treasury by Order;­
(a)
to postpone the imposition of any duty to
a date later than the passing of the Act (to meet the
contingency that legislative approval of a particular
Agreement may be unduly delayed or even refused e.g,
by India);
(b)
to revoke or suspend a duty if the Dominion
concerned (or if more than one is concerned, if all
those concerned) denounce or default on an Agreement;
(c)
to reimpose any duty so suspended after a
default if the Dominions concerned subsequently agree
to carry out the Agreement;
(d)
to revoke or reduce any duty by agreement
with all the Dominions concerned,
(7)
The Bill should provide that certain of the new
duties (viz:
wheat in grain, flat white maize, copper and
linseed) which were originally on the Free List under the
Import Duties Act, and which have now been imposed in
return for specific concessions by the Dominions, should
not be susceptible
Advisory Committee;
of alteration by the Import Duties
but that the other new duties should
be subject to the right of the Advisory Committee to
recommend an additional duty in respect of the same
commodities (but not a decrease of duty, since that would
be contrary to the Agreement.)
( )
I r i s h Free
8
State,
No a g r e e m e n t h a v i n g h e e n r e a c h e d w i t h t h e
Free S t a t e a t
Ottawa, t h e b e n e f i t
I m p o r t D u t i e s Act
November 1 5 t h ,
entered
of S e c t i o n 4 of
w i l l n o t be e x t e n d e d t o
as i t w i l l
to
them
the
after-
those Dominions which have
i n t o and a r e a d h e r i n g to Ottawa Agreements.
T h e s u g g e s t i o n w a s made a t
the B i l l might
the Conference
i n c l u d e power to a p p l y t h e b e n e f i t
to the I r i s h Free State
of a s a t i s f a c t o r y
agreement b e i n g r e a c h e d w i t h them
hereafter.
beyond t h e
to
It
seems c l e a r h o w e v e r t h a t
s c o p e of t h e B i l l ,
inexpedient.
w o u l d seem t h a t
to give effect
(9)
to
fresh
event
v/hich i s i n t e n d e d " t o
I f an agreement
subsequently entered into with the
w i l l be
give
well
is
I r i s h Free
legislation
the
t h i s v/ould b e
a g r e e m e n t s e n t e r e d i n t o a t Ottawa", a s
as p o l i t i c a l l y
it
in the
that
of
new O t t a w a d u t i e s
effect
Irish
State,
required
it.
Parliamentary
Time-table.
F o l l o w i n g On t h e M i n u t e b y Mr. G r a n v i l l e Ram,
it
is thought
to pass
t h a t e l e v e n days d e b a t e s h o u l d be
the B i l l
t h r o u g h t h e Commons, b e g i n n i n g
O c t o b e r 1 7 t h , Monday,
just
a week l a t e r
begun.
t h a n t h e d a t e on w h i c h ,
if
Parliament
immediately
T h i s would s c a r c e l y g i v e time for
s t a g e s by t h e
t h i s seems s c a r c e l y n e c e s s a r y ,
the Treasury, under Section 4 (3)
Act,
(Tuesday),
t h e b u s i n e s s of t h e new S e s s i o n w o u l d h a v e ,
to pass the B i l l through a l l
but
on
a n d e n d i n g on November 8 t h
h a d met on T h u r s d a y O c t o b e r 2 7 t h a n d b e e n
prorogued,
sufficient
since
the
15th November,
t h e r e i s power
of t h e I m p o r t
t o e x t e n d t h e - p e r i o d of D o m i n i o n e x e m p t i o n
November 1 5 t h ,
the interval
Lords
and t h i s p o w e r c o u l d b e u s e d t o
b e t w e e n November 1 5 t h a n d t h e
Duties
after
cover
d a t e of
the
to
B i l l becoming
lav/o
(10) D a t e of F u b l i c a t j on of t h e A g r e e m e n t s .
It
i s of course essential that
s h a l l be p u b l i s h e d i n f u l l
days before Parliament
by a l l p a r t i e s
possible,
time-table
their
is
approved;,
It
Agreements
country a few,
Simultaneous
publication
as scon a s t h e
t o info3?m t h e D o m i n i o n s a n d
in simultaneous publication
tion
of t h a t Agreement
time
as i n Canada,
likely
Bennett
Parlia­
case t h e r e must be s e p a r a t e
i n t h e U n i t e d Kingdom a t
the
publica­
same
Such e a r l i e r p u b l i c a t i o n w o u l d n o t
to cause s e r i o u s f o r e s t a l l i n g
though i t
invite
on s a y
i s p o s s i b l e hov^ever t h a t Mr,
in that
if
Parliamentary
may w i s h t o l a y t h e C a n a d i a n A g r e e m e n t b e f o r e h i s
ment e a r l i e r ;
s a y 5,
t h e c o u r s e t o be p r e f e r r e d ,
i s proposed;,
concurrence
O c t o b e r 12th,
meets.
is clearly
and i t
in this
the
s h o u l d be a v o i d e d i f
in this
possible.
country,
be
ANNEX I I .
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u
REVISED -NOTM OF -. CONF^RiSNCK ON-. LSG-13LATION
TO JxM.HJMHNT_.THE OTTAWA AGREEMENTS.
1st, Meeting.
B o a r d - Room
Present;-
Sir
Sir
Sir
Sir
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Sir
Mr.
Mro
^August
50th;.
V7 rren F i s h e r ( i n t h e C h a i r )
Horace Hamilton;
Horace vfiison;
Henry F o u n t a i n ;
Bro-wett, B o a r d of T r a d e ;
French
^ M i n i s t r y of
Dale
)Agriculture;
Edward F o r b e r , Customs and E x c i s e ;
Phillips
)
-aterfield) Treasury
a
c
The C o n f e r e n c e
went t h r o u g h
the Agreements
in
detail,
CANADA.
Article
House of
1.
This will
require
resolutions
2--
I t was a g r e e d t h a t w h i l e t h e
in
the
Commons.
" Article
Import
D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee c a n n o t r e d u c e any of t h e new
contrary
to t h e t e r m s of
t h e Ottawa A g r e e m e n t s ,
Agreements cannot operate
right
to apply
any e x i s t i n g
duty
It
two c l a s s e s
(i)
to
t h e new
t o d e p r i v e U . K . p r o d u c e r s of
the A d v i s o r y Committee f o r
an i n c r e a s e
as p r o v i d e d u n d e r t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s
was a g r e e d t h a t
t h e Ottawa
the
duties fall
of
Act.
into
­
"Ttieat i n g r a i n ,
linseed
flat
white maize,
copper
w h i c h w e r e p r e v i o u s l y on t h e f r e e
Import Duties Act.
It
should he
c a n n o t he a l t e r e d by t h e A d v i s o r y
and
list
under
provided t h a t
these
Committee,
(li)
Other d u t i e s
list
a n d which t h e A d v i s o r y Committee h a s power
alter
duties
a t presento
w h i c h were n o t on t h e o r i g i n a l
It
should he provided that
free
to
these
d u t i e s may b e v a r i e d u p w a r d s on t h e r e c o m m e n d a t l c n
the Advisory
Committee.
-13­
of
the
2Q9
SJ f*0
VPS a g r e e d t h a t
It
the Ottawa A g r e e m e n t s ,
flour,
which i s n o t m e n t i o n e d
remains unaffected
Advisory Committee a r e concerned;
that
so f a r
is,
as
that
in
tne
Committee
may r e c o m m e n d e d u t y on f o r e i g n f l o u r h u t n o t on D o m i n i o n
flour
(since
ment t h a t
it
would h e c o n t r a r y
1 of t h e
Agree­
t h e A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e s h o \ i l d remomraend a n y
change
i n t h e d u t i e s on D o m i n i o n
Dravvfrncko
g r a n t e d on any of
exception
of
It
for
imports).
i s a g r e e d t h a t no d r a w b a c k s h o u l d b e
t h e new d u t i e s ,
copper end l i n s e e d c
S i r Ho W i l s o n t h o u g h t
any e x c e p t i o n ;
that
and i t
tendency i s
for
a result
the B r i t i s h
of
it
with the
possible
Both S i r
S o Porber
would be u n d e s i r a b l e
was p o i n t e d o u t
the foreign
exporter
tariff,
b e t o p u t a p r e m i u m on f o r e i g n
to re-exporto
to A r t i c l e
that
and
to
provide
as the
general
to reduce h i s p r i c e
the effect
of a drawback
would
imports o b t a i n e d with a view
S i r Horace Hamilton promised t h a t h i s
ment s h o u l d r e c o n s i d e r
as
the m a t t e r in
consultation
Depart­
with
the
Customs,.
It
was a g r e e d t h a t
suited as regards
the e f f e c t
t h e Home O f f i c e
of
the A r t i c l e
should be
con­
on t h e I s l e
of
ManArticle
5o The q u e s t i o n was c o n s i d e r e d
special legislation
to
reduce
Article
C;
was n e e d e d t o b i n d t h e G o v e r n m e n t
t h e 10$ ad v a l o r e m d u t y
contemplated in
t o b e i m p o s e d on f o r e i g n g o o d s s p e c i f i e d
or w h e t h e r i t
would be s u f f i c i e n t
t h e power of r e f u s a l
recommend p u t t i n g
After
in
such goods
on t h e f r e e
some d i s c u s s i o n
in
Schedule
to the
it
list.
was a g r e e d t h a t
es possible
t h e b e s t way t o
Treasury
should
the
e x p e c t t h e u%Ko G o v e r n m e n t
bind themselves as formally
and t h a t
to leave
not
this
case t h e Advisory Committee
Dominions would c e r t a i n l y
Agreements,
whether
to
carry out
provide
to
the
t h i s would, b e
A/ "j jj
to
s c h e d u l e t h e Agreoments a s t h e y s t a n d to t h e B i l l
power i n t h e body of t h e B i l l
n e c e s s a r y to g i v e e f f e c t
satisfactory
to
taking
to c a r r y out the s t e p s
to the Agreements,
T h i s would he
t h e Dominions; would conform w i t h
p r e c e d e n t of A c t s r a t i f y i n g f o r e i g n
commercial
and should r e s u l t
of
in simplification
the
treaties;
Bill,
As r e g a r d s t h e d a t e o f l e g i s l a t i o n ,
s a i d t h a t t h e Prime M i n i s t e r was p r e p a r e d ,
the
the
if
Chairman
necessary,
to advance t h e d a t e of r e a s s e m b l y of P a r l i a m e n t b y ,
sa3^,a
week,
the
t h a t i s , from O c t o b e r 2 7 t h to October 20th i f
Conference
advised that
the n e c e s s a r y l e g i s l a t i o n c o u l d be
got through in approximately
I t was a g r e e d t h a t
a fortnight
under the
t h e r e s h o u l d b e no d i f f i c u l t y
t h i s under the following time
guillotine
in
doing
table.-
R e s o l u t i o n s and R e p o r t
3 days
Second Reading
2
Committee s t a g e
4
Report
2
and T h i r d R e a d i n g
"
:
'
''
11 d a y s i n House of
Commons o
In addition,
one day would p r o b a b l y be r e q u i r e d f o r
R e s o l u t i o n s u n d e r S e c t i o n 4 (2) of
another for
the g u i l l o t i n e
the
t h e Import D u t i e s Act
and
procedure.
S i r Horace Wilson t h o u g h t t h a t t h e r e s h o u l d be
no d i f f i c u l t y
in securing
p u b l i c a t i o n on t h i s
some c f
agreement w i t h the Dominions
side not l a t e r
than October 20th,
the Dominions or I n d i a p u b l i s h e d e a r l i e r
s h o u l d b e no g r e a t f e a r o f f o r e s t a l l i n g
U n i t e d Kingdom w e r e
so f a r
as
If
there
the
concerned,
pajte. f r o m w h i c h t h e n e w , d u t . i e s . s h o u l d . . . t a k e
I t was s u g g e s t e d t h a t
for
for
the f o l l o w i n g p o i n t s
effect
s h o u l d be
0
provided
In the B i l l : ­
(l)
Power to t h e T r e a s u r y
mill mil I mi III iw iiimiinmii mimmmmii n iw i mm mmi IWHIIIII n MIM HI
t o make O r d e r s a s f r o m
such
zn
date as they think
(&)
fit­
P o w e r 'fco r e v o k e o r s u s p e n d i f
fail
any Dominion
should
either
( a ) "bo p a s s p r o v i s i o n a l R e s o l u t i o n s i m p o s i n g
d u t i e s u n d e r t a k e n by them, o r
(b) to r a t i f y
them by A c t of
I t was a g r e e d t h a t ,
if
e g,
0
Parliament
the
0
I n d i a shotxld f a i l
to
ratify,
s h e w o u l d p r e s u m a b l y b e t r e a t e d i n t h e same way a s a
foreign
covtniry u n d e r the I m p o r t D u t i e s Act a f t e r
-;
i o
November
-h
l-i
Olio
Article 4.
I t was a g r e e d t h a t i t was
t o l a y down e x p l i c i t l y
undesirable
i n the 3111 what t e s t s
should be
a p p l i e d i n o r d e r t o c a r r y o u t t h i s Agreemento
The b e s t
w o u l d seem t o b e s i m p l y t o g i v e power t o t h e T r e a s u r y
regulations for
c a r d i n g out the Article
with the appropriate
Article
after
way
t o make
consultation
Departments,
5 , T h i s r e q u i r e d amendment o f
the
D i s e a s e s o f A n i m a l s A c t s , a n d t h o u g h t h i s h a s n o t h i n g t o do
with tariffs
i t was a g r e e d t h a t
be included i n the
Article
t h e amending c l a u s e s
should,
Bill,,
G
0
I t would be i m p o s s i b l e t o i n c l u d e
t h i s Bill provision for
carrying out t h i s A r t i c l e
e n t r y of C a n a d i a n b a c o n a n d ham i n t o
in
(free
t h e U n i t e d Kingdom)
since
t h e C o m m i s s i o n o n t h e P i g I n d u s t r y i n t h e U n i t e d Kingdom
could
not be expected
measure
to r e p o r t
to be worked o u t b e f o r e
Article
is
all
i n t i m e to e n a b l e t h e
that
is
7 - Tobacco ,
needed.
necessary
t h e Ottawa B i l l was
introduced,
A simple c l a u s e i n the
Bill
eJ
Articles
8 - 2 0 .
No s p e c i a l
U
legislation
required.
A r t i c l e 21 - P r o h i b i t i o n
T h e r e i s n o power a t p r e s e n t
o f i m p o r t s from
to p r o h i b i t ,
t h a t power s h o u l d be t a k e n i n t h e B i l l
in the circumstances
contemplated
in
As t h e A r t i c l e s t a n d s i t
who s u b s i d i s e s
the prices
interference
immediately.
generally
Ottawa,
country
t h e U n i t e d Kingdom.
that
t h e Dominion
rights
other
-would b e n e c e s s a r y t o
I t was a g r e e d
essential
repre­
t h a t t h e r e would be no
with existing treaty
R u s s i a n T r e a t y which i t
is
would a p p l y t o any
however,
s e n t a t i v e s were t o l d d e f i n i t e l y
it
to p r o h i b i t
of e x p o r t s to
S i r Henry F o u n t a i n s t a t e d ,
and
Russia.
that
than
the
denounce
Sir Warren F i s h e r should
t h e C h a n c e l l o r whether he wished t h e R u s s i a n t r e a t y t o
denounced f o r t h w i t h .
If
so,
Board of Trade concurred,
and i f
the President
t h e two M i n i s t e r s w o u l d
make a j o i n t s u b m i s s i o n t o t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ,
matter
did" n o t seem t o h a v e b e e n
Saturday's
out that
does not p r o v i d e p r o t e c t i o n
that
ment.
explicitly
be
the
presumaoly
since
settled
the
by
Cabinet.
I t was p o i n t e d
only for
of
ask
the Dominions,
the A r t i c l e as i t
stands
f o r U n i t e d Kingdom p r o d u c e r s
and i t
was n a t u r a l l y t o b e
expected
t h e U n i t e d Kingdom p r o d u c e r s w o u l d c l a i m s i m i l a r
That,
however,
but
could not be d e a l t w i t h i n the
treat­
Ottawa
Bill.
A r t i c l e 22 p r o v i d e s
in force
for
time l i m i t
five years.
that
Care must b e t a k e n
A r t i c l e 25 p r o v i d e s
t h e Agreement a f t e r
for
v a r i a t i o n i n the terms
this
the
of
Bill.
Parliamentary Counsel should
special legislation
of
accord­
c o n s u l t a t i o n b e t w e e n t h e two G o v e r n m e n t s .
S c h e d u l e A.
the provisions
the
Dominion.
i s t o b e made a c c o r d i n g l y i n
asked whether
remain
to see t h a t
i n t h e c a s e of e a c h Dominion i s i n s t r i c t
a n c e w i t h t h e Agreement with t h a t
Provision
t h e Agreement s h a l l
Schedule.
is required
to
be
implement
Article
5 deals with light
w i n e s and
requires
legislation.
A r t i c l e s 4 and 5 a r e t h e s a n e as 3 and 4 i n
C a n a d i a n Agreement w i t h s l i g h t m o d i f i c a t i o n s
Canadian version
b e i n g t h e mere
in the B i l l
as p o s s i b l e
providing,
should he kept
e.g ,
for the
s
of f o r e i g n meat b y l i c e n c e
I t was a g r e e d
as general in
r e g u l a t i o n of
or otherwise
t o exceed t h e amounts s p e c i f i e d
The B i l l
in the
imports
prohibition
of i m p o r t s f r o m t h e o f f e n d i n g
r e d u c t i o n of t h e i r
the regulations,
e.g.,
country,
in
by
or by
quota.
Power must a l s o b e t a k e n t o s u p e r v i s e t h e
the
not
Schedule.
an o f f e n c e
of
terms
should provide also for penal action
against
the
that
i n s u c h v/ay a s
t h e c a s e of
drastic
of w o r d i n g ,
accurate,
A r t i c l e S S c h e d u l e H -- M e a t .
the clauses
the
working
schemeo
The meat c o m p a n i e s would b e c o n s u l t e d
by the President j
t h e r e were four p o s s i b l e
forthwith
schemes of
procedure;
and i t was u n c e r t a i n w h i c h would f i n a l l y
be
adopted.
The p r o c e d u r e w o u l d b e d i s c u s s e d b e t w e e n
the
Board of T r a d e , M i n i s t r y of A g r i c u l t u r e
and Customs.
NEW ZEALAND.
No s p e c i a l
action
required.
SOUTH AFRICA.
No
point
of p r i n c i p l e
arises.
INDIA,
Power must be t a k e n t o add c e r t a i n a r t i c l e s
the free
list
A g r e e m e n t ) .-.
(jute,
mica,
etc.,
as in the Schedule t o
to
the
N .v.v? OUNDLAKT),.
A t t e n t i o n was drawn t o an u n p u b l i s h e d l e t t e r
from
Mr. B a l d w i n t o t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r of N e w f o u n d l a n d d a t e d
13th August p r o v i d i n g t h a t
parties
should lapse unless
t h e Agreement between t h e
a certain quantity
agreed t h a t
letter
no s p e c i a l r e f e r e n c e
Agreement
effect
s,g ,
c
on N e w f o u n d l a n d
w h e t h e r t h e 10p
would a p p l y t o Newfoundland
that
the general clause
the
d u t y on f o r e i g n
oilV
I t was f e l t
this
cod l i v e r
c a r r y out
its
s h a r e of
i m p o s i t i o n of t h e a d v a l o r e m d u t y i f
S e c t i o n 4(,5) of t h e
Import D u t i e s
oil
desirable
case
Treasury
necessary.
Act.
P a r l i a m e n t a r y Counsel shoula be ashed whether
the
A c t g i v e s p o w e r t o t h e T r e a s u r y t o v a r y f r o m t i m e t o "Ciiae
O r d e r s made u n d e r t h i s
desirable
section.
If
not,
of
the
s h o u l d c o n t a i n d i s c r e t i o n a r y power t o t h e
t o waive t h e
what
in the B i l l dealing with the
a Dominion which f a i l e d t o
Agreement
this
arose supposing
imports into
ore
was
s h o u l d l a p s e u n d e r t h e t e r m s of t h e l e t t e r
would be t h e
country,
It
s h o u l d b e made t o
in the B i l l , but the question
twc
of i r o n
f r o m N e w f o u n d l a n d w a s t a k e n b y IKK,, i m p o r t e r s .
the
i t would
t o t a k e s u c h p o w e r i n t h e new B i l l . ,
seem
ANNEX I I I
OTTAWA LEGISLATION CONFERENCE.
2nd M e e t i n g .
September
1st,,
S i r Warren F i s h e r ( i n t h e C h a i r )
Mr, P h i l l i p s a n d M r . W a t e r f i e l d ( T r e a s u r y )
S i r H o r a c e H a m i l t o n , S i r H e n r y F o u n t a i n a n d Mr. B r o w e t t
( B o a r d of T r a d e )
S i r Edward F o r b e r (Customs)
Mr, W h i s k a r d ( D o m i n i o n s O f f i c e )
Mr, F r e n c h a n d Mr. D a l e ( M i n i s t r y of A g r i c u l t u r e )
Mr. G r a n v i l l e Ram ( P a r l i a m e n t a r y C o u n s e l ) ,
M r . V / h i s k a r d r a i s e d t h e q u e s t i o n w h e t h e r airy t i m e
limit
should be imposed i n t h e B i l l .
i n t e n t i o n o f t h e A g r e e m e n t s was t h a t
indefinitely
initial
subject
to the right
whether at
Executive
should be at
C o n t i n u a t i o n would of
approval
continue
without
an
was a g r e e d t h a t
any l i m i t i n g d a t e , b u t
out
to
of
that
the
principle
sanction
the Bill
should be
the a t t e n t i o n
of
point.
the B i l l
should i t s e l f
in accordance with the Agreements,
should be set
v/as n e c e s s a r y ,
statutory
or
sought.,
implicitly
t h e r e was a d i f f e r e n c e
I t was a g r e e d t h a t
the
should be
c o u r s e be s u b j e c t
it
involved,
continue t h e Agreements
authority
should be drawn t o t h e
various, duties
period(s)
a p p r o v a l and e x p l i c i t
some d i s c u s s i o n
Ministers
duties
the
of d e n u n c i a t i o n a f t e r
initial
liberty to
of P a r l i a m e n t b u t
between i m p l i c i t
drafted
they should
a m a t t e r of p o l i c y w a s
t h e e n d of t h e
whether express Parliamentary
After
opinion
period.
I t was a g r e e d t h a t
viz:
In h i s
impose
the
and t h a t
the
in a Schedule t o the B i l l .
since the definitions
were l o o s e l y worded and would r e q u i r e
i n some of t h e
-redrafting,
This
Agreements
subject
of
course t o the
i n t e n t i o n of t h e Agreements b e i n g
left
u n c h a n g e d,
T h e B i l l s h o u l d empower t h e T r e a s u r y t o make
Orders
(a)
respecting
the
s h o u l d come i n t o f o r c e
the Agreements if
denounce
all
and (b) r e v o k i n g or
or
defaults
imposing
thereon.
in force
so l o n g a s
Dominions c o n c e r n e d a d h e r e d t o t h e
it.
If
i n s u c h a c a s e one o r m o r e
Dominions
defaulted
be l i a b l e
t o have t h i s p a r t i c u l a r
exports
should
was a g r e e d , t h a t a n y d u t y common t o two o r
more A g r e e m e n t s m u s t c o n t i n u e
one o f t h e
duties
suspending
the Dominions c o n c e r n e d
the Agreements
It
d a t e from which t h e
Agreement
other
or denounced the Agreement,
t o t h e U n i t e d Kingdom,
any
they
duty c h a r g e d on
their
Power must b e g i v e n
t h e T r e a s u r y by Order i n s u c h c a s e s to c a n c e l f r e e
from t h e
defaulting
to
entry
Dominion(s).
The s p e c i a l p o s i t i o n o f t h e I r i s h F r e e
was c o n s i d e r e d .
would
If
State
a s e p a r a t e A g r e e m e n t w e r e made
b e t w e e n t h e U n i t e d Kingdom a n d t h e I r i s h F r e e S t a t e ,
separate
B i l l would b e r e q u i r e d ;
but conceivably
be d e s i r e d to give the I r i s h Free S t a t e
the benefit
t h e p r o p o s e d new d u t i e s
imposed i n the
any s p e c i a l a g r e e m e n t ;
a n d i t was s u g g e s t e d t h a t
should be taken under
already exists
I r i s h Free
if
A,
the benefit
might
of
without
power
t h e O t t a w a B i l l t o do t h i s ,
(Power
to give
the
of t h e d u t i e s u n d e r t h a t
Act
desired).
I t was a g r e e d t h a t ,
in the Act,
T
Ottawa B i l l
under the Import Duties Act
State
it
a
no s p e c i a l
ffith S c h e d u l e A,
if
no t i m e l i m i t
is
imposed
l e g i s l a t i o n was r e q u i r e d f o r
dealing
Xst
Mr. Ram a d v i s e d t h a t
S 19(5)
c
of t h e
Import
t h e r e w a s f u l l p o w e r """under
Duties Act to vary and'renew as
a s t o r e v o k e O r d e r s made u n d e r t h e
The C o n f e r e n c e
elusions
L
of
the p r e v i o u s
House a u t h o r i t i e s ,
Resolution,
it
and
con­
Meeting.
subject
t o t h e a p p r o v a l of
was p r e f e r a b l e
providing for
c o u n t r y on t h e d a t e of
that
u
then reviewed the notes
I t was a g r e e d t h a t ,
e
Act
well
to submit a
expiry in
the case of
t e r m i n a t i o n of
the
single
each
the Agreement
with
country.
Parliamentary Counsel undertook to consider
supposing that
default
a d u t y w e r e r e s c i n d e d i n c o n s e q u e n c e of
of a D o m i n i o n ,
and t h e Dominion were
t o renew t h e A g r e e m e n t ,
duty without a f r e s h
j(i).
i t would be p o s s i b l e
be added t o t h e
the
subsequently
t o re impose
the
Resolution,
I t was p o i n t e d o u t t h a t
back
whether,
"flat
white maize"
must
list,
The w o r d s
" c o p p e r a n d " s h o u l d be i n s e r t e d
before
"linseed".
Mr. W a t e r f i e l d
e of
regarding the I s l e
undertook
to
consult
t h e Home
o f Man a n d N . I r e l a n d , b o t h of
would b e a f f e c t e d by a n y scheme f o r
Office,
which
the r e s t r i c t i o n
of
meat
imports.
table.
In l a s t
line
of p a r a g r a p h i n s e r t
"another"
before
"for".
As r e g a r d s d a t e o f p u b l i c a t i o n ,
it
was e s s e n t i a l
to publish a l l
i t was a g r e e d
the Agreements
in f u l l
that
In' a
W h i t e P a p e r a few d a y s b e f o r e P a r l i a m e n t m e e t s .
p u b l i c a t i o n b y a l l c o n c e r n e d was c l e a r l y
if
e g . , C a n a d a i n s i s t e d on l e g i s l a t i n g
t
Simultaneous
desirable;
earlier,
but
and
the
C a n a d i a n Agreement were p u b l i s h e d i n Canada s a y i n m i d September,
simultaneous publication
be n e c e s s a r y
ever,
on t h i s
side also,
should be a v o i d e d i f
The D o m i n i o n s O f f i c e
of
t h a t Agreement
partial
te
tion.
undertook to draft
ratification
I t was a g r e e d , t h a t
should provide for
the
publication,
it
to
Office
was p r e f e r a b l e
duties to
that the
take effect
needed except
i n t h e c a s e of
21o
the
received to
the
from b e i n g c e r t i f i e d
the
I t was a g r e e d t h a t ,
alreads' been denounced,
be
needed.
t h i s would p r e v e n t
the
a s a Money B i l l , b u t i t w a s
agreed
written
Exchequer,
if
t h e R u s s i a n T r e a t y had
the Bill
c o u l d c o n t a i n a s a v i n g ,.for
treaties",
SIR E . FORBER p o i n t e d
enforced,
depend
matter.
t o t h e C h a n c e l l o r of
existing
Treasury
Dominions
SIR WARREN FISHER s a i d t h a t he h a d a l r e a d y
"all
the
India.
MR. RAM p o i n t e d o u t t h a t
t h a t t h i s did. n o t
a s from
Postponement would n o t be l i k e l y t o
No r e g u l a t i o n s w o u l d b e
Bill
Bill
But t h e p r o c e d u r e must
on t h e r e p l i e s
telegram.
telegram
were.
if necessary.
some e x t e n t
a
and a s k i n g w h a t
d a t e when t h e B i l l becomes l a w , w i t h power t o
to postpone
how­
possible.,
to the Dominions p r o p o s i n g t h i s procedure
their plans for
would
certificates
out t h a t
if prohibition
of o r i g i n would be
required,
were
If n o t i m e l i m i t
i s included i n the B i l l ,
s p e c i a l ! , p r o v i s i o n on t h i s
As u n d e r
But i t
account i s
no
required.
Art.22.
was p o i n t e d o u t
that
powers must i n c l u d e a power t o
w i t h the Dominion)
the Treasury'c
reduce a duty
as well as to
general
(by Agreement
revoke.
LIE. FRENCH r a i s e d t h e q u e s t i o n w h e t h e r p o w e r
a l s o he given to vary the d e f i n i t i o n
of a r t i c l e s
b y a d u t y so as t o conform w i t h a n y c h a n g e s
administrative
experience might
I t was a g r e e d however t h a t ,
suggest
covered
which
to he
necessary.
w h i l e t h e r e w o u l d he n o
o b j e c t i o n t o removing c e r t a i n a r t i c l e s
c l a s s covered by the d e f i n i t i o n ,
to give
could
it
altogether
w o u l d he
the E x e c u t i v e power t o v a r y the
the
impossible
statutory
so a s t o i m p o s e a d u t y on a r t i c l e s n o t p r e v i o u s l y
Any such change must b e r e s e r v e d f o r
from
the annual
definition
dutiable.
Finance
Bill.
Last l i n e but 1.
Add a t
For " i n s p e c t " ,
read
"supervise'-'.
end.
Southern Rhodesia Agresment.
Art. 4.
This
stabilises
g i v e n p e r i o d and r e q u i r e s
the preference
legislation.
on c o f f e e
for
a
ANNEX I V c
ME. W ATERFIELD,
Conference
on l e g i s l a t i o n
the Ottawa
1.
in relation
to
the
t h e t i m e - t a b l e w h i c h was d i s c u s s e d a t
m e e t i n g of
date
implement
agcreeuents
I have been c o n s i d e r i n g ,
calendar,
to
this conference,
yesterday's
We a s s u m e d t h e n t h a t
of r e - a s s e m b l y of p a r l i a m e n t - w o u l d b e a d v a n c e d
O c t o b e r 2 7 t h t o O c t o b e r 20 t h ,
Parliament would re-assemble
2 7 t h , was o r i g i n a l l y f i x e d ,
T h i s w o u l d mean
on a T h u r s d a y .
the
from
that
Thursday,
b e c a u s e i t was i n t ended t o
take
o n l y formal b u s i n e s s b e f o r e p r o r o g u i n g w i t h a view t o
State
o p e n i n g of P a r l i a m e n t
the
on N o v e m b e r 1 s t ,
but
the
a
Thursday i s o b v i o u s l y a very i n c o n v e n i e n t day for
Parliament
t o meet f o r
I
that
the t r a n s a c t i o n of a c t u a l b u s i n e s s .
the most convenient
Parliament
course would be to
f o r Monday, t h e 1 7 t h O c t o b e r ,
t h e Programme a s f o l l o w s
suggest
summon
and t o
arrange
s-
Mon. a n d T u e s .
Oct. 17th and 1 8 t h .
Committee S t a g e of r e s o l u t i o n s
the B i l l ,
Thurs.
R e p o r t S t a g e of
Bi I I o
Oct.
Mon. O c t .
20th.
24th.
T u e s . a n d Wed.
O c t o 2 5 t h and 26th.
Pri.
Oct.
Guillotine
Second
resolutions
for
for
the
motion,
R e a d i n g of
the
Bill.
28th.
Mon., O c V 5 1 s t .
)Committee S t a g e of
Bill,
T u e s . Wed. a n d T h u r s .
Nov. 1 s t , 2 n d & 3 r d .
Mon. and T u e s .
Nov. 7 t h a n d 8 t h .
This
arrangement
R e p o r t and T h i r d R e a d i n g of
Bill.
would a l l o w s u f f i c i e n t
for
members t o
read the B i l l before
v/ould a l s o
a l l o w an i n t e r v a l
time
the Second Reading
of o n e d a y f o r
the
and
putting
down o f a m e n d m e n t s b e t w e e n t h e S e c o n d . R e a d i n g and C o m m i t t e e ,
a n d an i n t e r v a l
for
of
a n o t h e r day (which would be a F r i d a y )
a s i m i l a r pixrpose between Committee
2o
in
and R e p o r t
I t w i l l b e o b s e r v e d t h a t t h e programme
t h e l a s t p r e c e d i n g p a r a g r a p h of
of t h e
0
1932.
If
it
there is a necessity for
suggested
t h i s m i n u t e makes no
p r o v i s i o n f o r any r e s o l u t i o n s under s 4 ( 2 )
Duties Act,
Import
is ultimately decided
such r e s o l u t i o n s ,
t a k e n on Wednesday t h e 1 9 t h , F r i d a y
that
they could be
the 2 1 s t ,
2 7 t h October., o r F r i d a y t h e 4 t h November,
Thursday
or indeed,
day b e t w e e n t h e 8 t h and 1 5 t h November, b u t f o r
given below,
Stages,
the
and i n t h a t c a s e ,
the
m e n t i o n e d c a n no doubt p r o f i t a b l y b e u s e d f o r
on a n y
reasons,
I t h i n k i t may be u n n e c e s s a r y t o p a s s
r e s o l u t i o n s under S c 4 ( 2 ) ,
the
any
days
other
purposes.
So
The r e a s o n s f o r w h i c h I
under- s . 4-( 2 )
t h i n k the
of t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A c t ,
u n n e c e s s a r y a r e as f o l l o w s
I t w i l l be e s s e n t i a l
resolutions
1 9 5 2 , may be
sfor the B i l l
to contain
a
p r o v i s i o n f o r e x t e n d i n g t o t h e c o u n t r i e s w h i c h h a v e made
"Ottawa agreements"
an e x e m p t i o n f r o m t h e new d u t i e s
be imposed by the B i l l
s i m i l a r to
the Import Duties Act.
under s 4 ( 2 ) , for
n
that given by s,4(2)
T h i s cannot b e done b y an
such o r d e r s can
r e l a t e only to
i m p o s e d u n d e r t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A c t and n o t
i m p o s e d b y the B i l l - .
best
to draft
This being so, i t
the p r o v i s i o n in the B i l l
o n l y t o t h e new d u t i e s
to
the
is
to
would,
November,
duties
I
to be imposed by the B i l l ,
orders under
s,4
1952,
i n t h i s way a n d b e c o m e s l a w b y t h o
there w i l l ,
of
of
order
duties
g e n e r a l ad v a l o r e m d u t y and any a d d i t i o n a l
drafted
think-,
but
be
all.
also
duty
If
the
15th
c o u r s e , be no n e c e s s i t y f o r
t h e A c t o f 19 32 a t
of
so a s t o e x t e n d n o t
imposed by or under the Import D u t i e s A c t ,
Bill
to
any
Under t h e programme s u g g e s t e d a b o v e , however,
i s very doubtful
whether the B i l l
(which w i l l not be
" m o n e y B i l l " w i t h i n t h e m e a n i n g of
November
T h a t House' c o u l d n o t r e c e i v e t h e B i l l u n t i l
of T u e s d a y , November O t h ,
and I
late
imagine,
through a l l i t s
proves to be the
case, i t
stages before
the
the
therefore,
to
the 15th,
s e e m s t o iae t h a t
pass
If
exemption t i l l
to
the B i l l
1932, providing for
a d a t e l a t e enough to
t o be g i v e n .
c o u r s e b a s e d on t h e g r o u n d t h a t
provision for
have l i t t l e
granting
the
a r e s o l u t i o n of
is
necessary
s 4(2)
0
objection
jnakeo
the fact
same e x e m p t i o n w i l l
that
the
could
Bill
passed
t h e T r e a s u r y o r d e r u n d e r s,. 4 ( 3 )
J , G , P v c
2nd September,
1932.
this
express
a l r e a d y have been
made.
Assent
to
t h e H c u s e of Commons,
c o g e n c y i n v i e w of
b y t h a t House b e f o r e
the
s,4(3)
allow the Soyal
Any p o s s i b l e
this
situation
c o u l d b e m e t b y t h e m a k i n g of a T r e a s u r y o r d e r u n d e r
of t h e I m p o r t B u t i e s A c t ,
1911)
15th.
on
t h a t T h e i r L o r d a h i p s would be e x t r e m e l y r e l u c t a n t
the B i l l
a
the Parliament Act,
c a n be p a s s e d b y t h e Kor.se- of l o r d s b e f o r e
night
it
ANNEX V.
m
Provisional programme for Ottawa Conference Bill
on the assumption that Parliament reassembles
on Tuesday, October 11th.
js&ay, Oct-c 11.
Committee stage of Ways and Means Resolutions.
inesday "
12.
jrsday
15,
Report stage of ditto.
17.
Second Reading of Bill.
"
:aay
"
18.
Inesday "
19.
ssday
ditto.
di tt o
0
Guillotine Resolution.
Time table of Bill under Guillotine.
Committee Stage.
irsday, Oct. 20.
clay
21.
:aay
24.
1:3 da y
mesaay
25,
26
Clauses 1 to 3
4
51
a n d
5
6 to 8
Clause 9 and " 71A.Financial
Resolution Committee,
x
Clause 10 and 71A Financial
Resolution Report
Clauses 11 to 16 and new
clauses.
s day,
27.
Schedules and new schedules.
11.0 p.m.
3,30 p.m.
11,0 p.m.
11. 0 p ,m,
7,30 p.m.
11.0 p.ra.
11.0 p.m.
Report Stage and Third Reading.
tclay
31.
New clauses and clauses 1 to 8
Clause 9
9.30 p.m,
11.0 p,m.
This Financial Resolution will be necessary to cover the provision
as to additional administrative expenses which will be thrown on
the Board of Trade by reason of clauses 6 and 9 of the Bill (the
corresponding provision in the Bill which is at present printed
as subsection (5) of clause 9 will be transposed ao as to become
subsection (2) of clause 15).
uesday,
Nov.
1,
Clause
10 t o
end o f B i l l
7.30
Third Reading
K.B.
of
11.0
T h i s p r o v i s i o n a l programme i s b a s e d
the B i l l ,
in i t s
but
the preparation
early stages
considerable
and
p m.
0
on t h e p r e s e n t
of t h e B i l l i s a s y e t
the p r e s e n t
modifications.
p.in,
draft
may
require
draft
only