(c) crown copyright Catalogue Reference:CAB/24/231 Image Reference:0001 (THIS D0GUZ1ENT IS T H E P R O P E R T Y OF H I S BRITAIN! 1 0 H A - J E S T Y ^ GOVERNMENT ) COPY NO 0 A B I IT E T. .p. 8 3 2 (38) . DISARMAMENT CONFERENCE, Memorandum b y the Secretary of State fo r F o r e i g n Affairs. I circulate for the information of m y colleagues (1) a summary initialled b y the H o m e Secretary, the Secretary of State for A i r , and m y s e l f , and d r a w n up b y the first-named, giving an account of the "private conversations" which h a v e b e e n con­ ducted b e t w e e n F r e n c h , A m e r i c a n and B r i t i s h representatives at G e n e v a this w e e k . It will b e seen that the method followed has b e e n to take a selected topic and to find out what ground. is the largest area of c o m m o n T h i s m e t h o d has h a d considerable s u c c e s s , and I d i r e c t p a r t i c u l a r attention to the provisional agreement in respect of air bombing. The c o n v e r s a t i o n s are being continued on other s u b j e c t s , and b y the end of the w e e k we shall a t . a n y rate know something of the measure of common agreement over the w h o l e field G O far as those three delegations are concerned. Of c o u r s e , everything upon the whole b e i n g found satisfactory. that P r e s i d e n t H o o v e r a r i s provisional The Cabinet w i l l understand sudden m a n i f e s t o , couched in very m u c h b r o a d e r t e r m s , was distinctly disturbing to these private a n d detailed discussions. ' But it is intended they should.go on. (2) The statement of President Hoover's p r o p o s a l s r e a d to the General C o m m i s s i o n o f the Conference b y M r . Gib SOB. on W e d n e s d a y afternoon. The Cabinet may be interested to k n o w how much notice the P r i m e M i n i s t e r a n d I h a d of this proceeding. A vague hint was given on Sunday night that President H o o v e r h a d some large proposals in his mind and an outline verbally under terms of them was sketched of p r o f o u n d secrecy and, as the Prime M i n i s t e r 4 C) 1 0 hi and I understood, w i t h the intention of getting our views u p o n them. A similar and equally secret communication w a s made h y the American delegation to the F r e n c h at a wayside Lausanne and G e n e v a late at night on M o n d a y ; I understand Monsieur P a u l - B o n c o u r that it w a s equally v a g u e . morning at l l s M r . Gibson hurried w a s out, suggesting inn between On Tuesday to inform m e that the that the F r e n c h had "leaked". President H o o v e r had determined from secret Consequently to make h i s announcement immediately, and it w a s at that moment coming across in cypher from Washington. I pointed out that if it w a s desired to have due consideration from us w i t h a vie?/ to our support, this gave no time. M r . G i b s o n came over to Lausanne at my request and the Prime M i n i s t e r , b u t the A m e r i c a n s maintained impossible. that delay was Consequently, P r e s i d e n t Hoover made h i s in Washington on Wednesday at 1 0 . 3 0 , and w a s summoned for 4.30 p.m. saw announcement the G e n e r a l Commission (the corresponding Swiss time) in order that a communication m i g h t be made simultaneously at G e n e v a . (3) I thought it best to follow M r . G i b s o n in the discussion at once so as to make plain that the p r o p o s a l s \7ere no part of an A n g l o - A m e r i c a n arrangement, but had b e e n sprung on u s all alike, while at the same time I spoke w a r m l y of their scope and b o l d n e s s , mailing certain reservations misrepresentation h e r e a f t e r . in order that there should be no I append the substance of what I said, on the chance that my colleagues may care to look through it. It seems to me that in considering this matter we have to keep three large matters in m i n d . (i) the necessity of b r i n g i n g to the front our own B r i t i s h Plan on bold and practical l i n e s ; America in zeal for D i s a r m a m e n t . Britain m u s t not lag behind W e have in fact now assembled O a "better set of p r o p o s a l s , and a far more practical set. But o w i n g to the delay in getting clear d e c i s i o n s , the effect has b e e n largely lost by producing items p i e c e - m e a l . (ii) W e must firmly maintain our stand for w h a t is n e c e s s a r y for the special purposes o f the British C o m m o n w e a l t h . I w a s careful to say in my speech that it seemed to me the H o o v e r Plan did n o t allow sufficiently for the responsibilities of different n a v a l P o w e r s . a well-judged, that varied (At the same time all-round reduction would be an immense relief to e v e r y b o d y ) . (iii) The relation between G e n e v a and Lausanne is immensely important. No-one would dream of sacrificing the of B r i t i s h and I m p e r i a l defence to any other but the fact Is that if we can shew ourselves and sympathetic necessities consideration forthcoming to the A m e r i c a n p r o p o s a l s , we shall create m u c h b e t t e r atmosphere for the discussions of A m e r i c a n debt than if we do n o t . (Intd.) J.S. greign O f f i c e , I 23rd J u n e , 1 9 3 2 . a A N N E X I. SUMMARY OF C O W E R SATTQNS CONDUCTED B E T W E E N FRENCH, AMERICA!? A N D BRITISH R E P R E S E N T A T I V E S A T GENEVA. It may be advisable to summarise the results of the first meetings w i t h the F r e n c h and A m e r i c a n D e l e g a t e s at G e n e v a . We have sat so far m o r n i n g and afternoon on M o n d a y and T u e s d a y and have covered about half of our agenda. ings have b e e n most friendly; The meet­ there have b e e n no serious d i s ­ agreements and definite conclusions have b e e n reached on several points. T h e F r e n c h have made it clear t h a t , while adhering to their general p o s i t i o n as to the extent of disarmament depend­ ing upon adequate measures to ensure further security, they are w i l l i n g to leave that question in abeyance for the p u r p o s e of these conversations and to discuss what measures can b e agreed on the b a s i s that provisions for security remain as they now a r e . We t o o k first the question of the prohibition of c h e m i c a l and b a c t e r i o l o g i c a l warfare as that was the one matter on which.,., a Commission of E x p e r t s had agreed. W e endorsed the r e c o m m e n ­ dations of that c o m m i t t e e , but emphasis was upon the g e n e r a l measures laid b y the F r e n c h of control to b e embodied in t h e T r e a t y b e i n g adequate to ensure the observance of prohibition of this form of w a r f a r e . T h e y w e r e also anxious that there should b e special penalties for i n f r a c t i o n , but were unable at this stage to suggest what they should b e . W e next turned to the question of air a r m a m e n t s , as the F r e n c h D e l e g a t e s w e r e anxious to have this matter discussed b e ­ cause one of them - M. de J o u v e n e l - was to speak on the subject on Wednesday at the meeting of the A i r Commission of the D i s a r m a ­ ment Conference. T h e B r i t i s h D e l e g a t i o n stated that if it were possible to propose an effective scheme for the entire abolition of military and naval aviation and if there were any likelihood of its general acceptance b y the C o n f e r e n c e , wo should not have opposed such a scheme in p r i n c i p l e , h u t it appeared that these two could not h e fulfilled. conditions T h e dangers to which the civil p o p u l a ­ tion might h e exposed in time of w a r , even if the prohibition of the use of gas was effective, w e r e emphasised b y all p a r t i e s to the discussion and there was very complete agreement definite steps should b e taken for their that protection. T h e F r e n c h p r o p o s a l , w h i c h had b e e n m a d e in a memorandum to the D i s a r m a m e n t Conference dated A p r i l 14th, was the m a i n sub­ ject for discussion, and it was unanimously accepted as the best p r o p o s i t i o n that had b e e n m a d e and as likely to prove for this p u r p o s e . adequate T h i s p r o p o s a l , which the B r i t i s h D e l e g a t e s hope m a y b e acceptable to the C a b i n e t , w i t h the additions m a d e to it as the result of cur d i s c u s s i o n s , is the following:A e r i a l b o m b i n g shall b e p r o h i b i t e d except: 1. I n the n e i g h b o u r h o o d of a c t u a l m i l i t a r y operations, that is to say w i t h i n a certain distance to b e fixed, of a line w h e r e two military forces are in contact in time of war. T h e actual distance is reserved for joint expert examination w i t h the indication that the three delegations desire that it should b e fixed "at the lowest p o s s i b l e figure consistent w i t h t e c h n i ­ cal r e a l i t i e s " . 2. I n the case of air bases and long-range gun emplacements. 3. In a zone to b e fixed a l o n g the sea coast w h e r e b o m b i n g would b e p e r m i t t e d w i t h i n a distance which should and in b e a r a relation to the range of naval guns; respect of o b j e c t i v e s , the n a v a l bombardment of w h i c h was permitted under the Hague Convention., I n other w o r d s , the action of aeroplanes in the coastal area w i l l b e subject to precisely the same limitations as now extend to n a v a l action,, It w a s made clear that the restriction of bombarding was not to apply to measures taken for the p r e v e n t i o n or stopping of raids or other disturbances in I m p e r i a l or Colonial -J p o s s e s s i o n s fyr Mandated. T e r r i t o r i e s . 00 B o t h the French and American Belegatiens fully recognised the necessity for this exception w h i c h the B r i t i s h Delegation had u r g e d . After considering possible formulae for effecting this object, M. Faul-Boncour suggested that it m i g h t b e m o s t simply done if the restrictions on b o m b i n g as specified w e r e to apply, like the rest of the t r e a t y , as b e t w e e n the High Contracting By this very Parties simple procedure no restrictions would b e p l a c e d u p o n any measures w h i c h a P c w e r w i t h colonial possessions might find it necessary to u s e in order to assert authority w i t h i n those p o s s e s s i o n s . its (it is possible that difficulty might arise on the North-Western Frontier of India if A f g h a n i s t a n should b e c o m e a party to the Convention and if aggressive action w e r e taken b y some of the tribes living b e y o n d car border". consideration). eminently This aspect m a y require special T h i s solution of the question appears to u s satisfactory if it can secure the assent of the C o n f e r e n c e as a w h o l e ; it w i l l b e an immense relief to the civil p o p u l a t i o n throughout E u r o p e . It avoids all difficulties w i t h regard t o the d e f i n i t i o n of distant military o b j e c t i v e s ; such problems as w h e t h e r the presence of an arsenal or a b a r r a c k s or a munition factory in a p a r t i c u l a r town w o u l d render legitimate the dropping of b o m b s on that town will no longer a r i s e . W i t h regard to restrictions on the size of b o m b i n g a e r o p l a n e s , here again we have reached a provisional agreement. It is proposed that the maximum u n l a d e n weight should be 3 tons (not 5 tons as previously suggested). The British D e l e g a ­ tion pointed out/the n e c e s s i t y , h o w e v e r , of not preventing the u s e of large planes for carrying troops or stores in oversea territories and this was at once recognised b y the other two delegations. It w a s agreed, h o w e v e r , that the number of such p l a n e s should be limited and that the tentative suggestion w a s made the n u m b e r should b e fixed in relation to the size the g a r r i s o n s where of the troops were stationed. The A m e r i c a n s aslced that flying-boats should also be the subject of special exemption. Agreement w a s reached on t h e lorinciple that there should be exceptions in these and p o s s i b l y some other c a s e s , and the formulation o f the conditions of s u c h e x c e p t i o n s w a s referred to a joint Committee of the experts of each delegation. (It was also decided that w i t h regard to this and other matters the m e e t i n g s of e x p e r t s should b e attended b y p o l i t i c a l m e m b e r s of the delegations,) T h e question of fixing a m a x i m u m u n i t volume d i r i g i b l e s w a s also referred for expert for consideration. There was a general desire that the n u m b e r s of m i l i t a r y and n a v a l aeroplanes possessed b y e a c h country should be l i m i t e d , b u t no progress w a s m a d e as to finding a principle w h i c h the numbers should b e based. on The F r e n c h fully agreed that it would not b e right to relate the numbers of aeroplanes to the s i z e of armies as this would put the countries without c o n s c r i p t armies at a v e r y u n f a i r disadvantage. It was thought p o s s i b l e , h o w e v e r , that after further study some b a s i s o f agreement might be reached as b e t w e e n the three delegations s t h o u g h w e are o u r s e l v e s inclined to doubt w h e t h e r any rule is l i k e l y to be found w h i c h would b e acceptable other P o w e r s . to Italy and T h e experts are also to consider whether therei should b e a limit of total tonnage as well as a limit of numbers. W e next turned to what has b e e n called the French P l a n for the Inter-nationalisation of C i v i l A v i a t i o n , h u t w h i c h a s . appeared from the explanations that were g i v e n is quite w r o n g l y designated hy that name. now In the first p l a c e , the F r e n c h do no "J/propose that whatever measures are adopted should apply to any "but the largest a e r o p l a n e s , that is those over '5 t o n s , possession of which is to h e prohibited to governments - except for a limited number of troop-carriers. The question of any form of control of m a n u f a c t u r e , or of licensing the p o s s e s s i o n , of the ordinary small p l a n e owned b y p r i v a t e individuals does not therefore arise. the French are not no?/ putting forward Secondly, their plan for placing large planes at the disposal of the League of N a t i o n s . The a c t u a l project now b e f o r e us is f o r a measure of international control o v e r the big air l i n e r s , the object being to prevent the formation, w i t h the help of s u b s i d i e s , of powerful fleets of large p l a n e s , w h i c h a country which w a s prepared to b r e a k the lav/- might use most d e s t r u c t i v e l y for bombing. T h e French laid great emphasis u p o n the n e c e s s i t y for t h i s , and indeed declared definitely that they would not agree to the abolition of the large bombing machine unless effective m e a n s w e r e taken to prevent planes o f similar size, ostensibly provided f o r civilian p u r p o s e s , b e i n g available as substitutes. present p l a n , which h a s b e e n worked Their out in great d e t a i l , is in effect the creation of an international organisation on lines more or less resembling the W a g o n - L i t C o m p a n y , which is to run t h e long-distance trains are run. air services m u c h as the sleeping-car S p e c i a l provision that countries which desire should be made to ensure to see established long-distance lines to their colonial or other possessions should be to secure that this w o u l d be effected company. It is claimed i through the able international that, apart from t h e first consideration that has h e e n m e n t i o n e d , this p l a n w o u l d he desirable in itself as it v/ould prevent the unnecessary m u l t i p l i c a t i o n of competing diminish a i r lines and v/ould greatly the amount of subsidies paid by the various governments. We feel some doubt whether such a scheme v/ould w o r k efficiently and whether it is n o t more elaborate than the conditions r e q u i r e ; it might be possible to have a more restricted f o r m of control u n d e r the supervision of the L e a g u e of N a t i o n s w h i c h would effect the main purpose in view. But it is o b v i o u s l y important not to impose a direct negative u p o n the French p r o p o s a l and we readily agreed to the suggestion of their delegation that the A i r Committee of the Conference should appoint a smaller sub-committee to go into this subject more closely. At our f o u r t h m e e t i n g we discussed questions of qualitative land d i s a r m a m e n t , and first the proposal w i t h regard to h e a v y artillery. H e r e w e were hoping to secure an agreement the p r o h i b i t i o n of m o b i l e land guns of a calibre above 6' 1 (155mm). about M. P a u l - B o n c o u r raised a p o i n t , h o w e v e r , w h i c h is u n d o u b t e d l y of serious importance. it was for He pointed out that impossible to require coastal defences to be v/ith g u n s of a smaller calibre than those of the which might attack them. provided ships T h e forts of M a r s e i l l e s could n o t b e limited to 6" guns to meet an attack from battleships armed v/ith 1 2 " guns. But in the view of the F r e n c h D e l e g a t i o n and their m i l i t a r y advisers it was not in f a c t possible to prevent guns authorised f o r coastal defence from b e i n g u s e d in land w a r f a r e . If one country attacked another, having broken the p a c t against g o i n g to w a r , it v/ould not scruple to b r e a k a convention w h i c h prohibited it from u s i n g its coastal defence guns in the c a m p a i g n , w h i l e the defending country could not be expected to refrain from doing so in resisting the aggression. A s a m a t t e r of fact, he said, many of these coastal defence guns were not p h y s i c a l l y fixed; they were already mounted on rails in order that they"might be moved fram one loop-hole of a fort to another and to transfer to the ordinary railways was a simple m a t t e r . them W i t h regard to o t h e r s , it was not the case that it would take very long ts manufacture the mountings necessary to convert them from fixed to mobile artillery. Furthermore, it is necessary that convention should be easily enforceable and that the infractions should be verifiable without too m u c h difficulty, but if guns of heavy calibre wore still to be permissible for coastal defences and for ships it would be impossible to say that any such guns that were being manufactured w e r e really intended for land warfare. In the course of the discussion the F r e n c h Delegation agreed:­ 1. That w h a t e v e r figure was agreed internationally, either by the Washington Convention or by the Convention now u n d e r n e g o t i a t i o n , for the maximum calibre of naval­ g u n s , they would agree also as the m a x i m u m for land artillery. £. That a figure should be fixed w i t h expert advice w h i c h should be regarded as the maximum size of the n o r m a l artillery required by a r m i e s . 3. That h e a v y land artillery above that calibre be limited piece should in n u m b e r , that the allocation of each should be registered w i t h the Commission of C o n t r o l and that the number of such guns at present existing should not be e x c e e d e d , although there might be replacements. Turning to t a n k s , it was agreed that the complete abolition of tanks w a s wrcng in principle and could not be adopted,, ( vii) W i t h regard to the maximum w e i g h t , the F r e n c h were willing to fix a limit. quite They h a d a considerable n u m b e r of tanks of 70 t o n s , and their experts hitherto h a d suggested that as the appropriate maximum, M, P a u l - B o n c o u r , h o w e v e r 9 understood that the British Gcverment favoured a figure o f about 25 tons and he was w i l l i n g to approximate to that. The F r e n c h h a d , h o w e v e r , a number of tanks of a 25 ton p a t t e r n , the v/eight of which h a d b e e n considerably increased b y the attachment of much h e a v i e r c a t e r p i l l a r s , b r i n g i n g them up to about 3 2 t o n s , and he w o u l d suggest that as the l i m i t , v e r y considerably W e asked -whether that might not b e r e d u c e d , b u t were m e t b y the argument that it w a s a question of w h a t weight w a s adequate to give sufficient armour p r o t e c t i o n against ordinary artillery u s e d b y armies, M. Paul -KB one our suggested that it w a s a m a t t e r for joint determination to decide hov/ that p r i n c i p l e expert should b e applied and w h a t w e i g h t of tank should be agreed to a s the outcome. We suggested that existing tanks over the a g r e e d limit should b e scrapped. - a p r o p o s a l w h i c h the F r e n c h d i d n o t reject, b u t asked for an opportunity to give it further they consideration. The American D e l e g a t i o n indicated that their Government would h a v e b e e n glad to see the total abolition of tanks, b u t if that were impossible they would co-operate in finding a maximum limit of size. We have h a d informal conservations w i t h Signor Grandi and with H e r r N a d o l n y , the German D e l e g a t e , in order to keep them informed of the course of e v e n t s , (Intd.) ' t H.S. J.S. L. June 21st, 1932, GENEVA. 3 1 9. Q ANNEX Statement of tne instructions issued "by President Hoover to the A m e r i c a n Delegation to the Conference for the L i m i t a t i o n and S e d u c t i o n of A r m a m e n t s , read b y Ambassador G i b s o n b e f o r e the General C o m m i s s i o n , June 2 2 , 1 9 3 2 , 4,30 p.m. The delegations at the W o r l d Conference on Disarmament at Geneva are now engaged in discussions as to methods b y w h i c h more comprehensive efforts can be made toward disarmament. The following is the substance of instructions w h i c h have b e e n g i v e n by the President to the A m e r i c a n Delegation f o r guidance in the discussions which are now occupying them. They are p u b l i s h e d in order that the A m e r i c a n people may b e f u l l y a n d a c cur a t e ly i nf o rme d. "The time has come when we should cut t h r o u g h the b r u s h a n d adopt some b r o a d and definite m e t h o d of reducing the overwhelming b u r d e n of armament which now lies u p o n the toilers of the world. This w o u l d be the most important w o r l d step that could be taken to expedite economic recovery. W e must make headway against the m u t u a l fear and friction a r i s i n g out of war armament w h i c h kill h u m a n confidence throughout the world. We can still r e m a i n p r a c ­ tical in maintaining an adequate self-defence among all n a t i o n s . We can add to the assurances ol peace and yet save the people of the w o r l d f r o m ten to fifteen billions of w a s t e d dollars d u r i n g the n e x t t e n years. I propose that the following p r i n c i p l e s should b e our guide. First: The Kellogg-Briand Pact to w h i c h we are all signatories can only m e a n that the nations of the world have agreed that they w i l l u s e their arms solely for defence. I ^ \ S e c o n d ; This r e d u c t i o n should be carried out n o t only by b r o a d g e n e r a l cuts in armaments but b y increasing the comparative p o w e r of defence through decreases in the p o w e r o f the attack. Third: The a r m a m e n t s of the w o r l d have grown u p in m u t u a l r e l a t i o n to each other, and speaking generally such relativity should b e preserved in m a k i n g reductions. F o u r t h ; The reductions must be real and p o s i t i v e . effect economic relief, They must i j : Fifth; There are three problems to deal with - land f o r c e s , air f o r c e s and naval forces. They are all inter-connected. No p a r t of the proposals w h i c h I make can be dis-associated one from the other. B a s e d on these p r i n c i p l e s I propose that the arms of the world should be reduced by nearly one-third. L a n d forces. In order to reduce the offensive character of a l l land f o r c e s as distinguished from their defensive character I p r o p o s e the adoption of the p r e s e n t a t i o n already made at the Geneva Conference for the a b o l i t i o n of a l l t a n k s , all chemical warfare and all large mobile guns. This would not prevent the establishment or increase of fixed fortifications of any character for the defence of frontiers a n d seacoasts. It would give a n increased relative strength to such defence as compared with attack. I p r o p o s e , f u r t h e r m o r e , that there should be a reduction of one-third in s t r e n g t h of all land armies over a n d above the s o - c a l l e d police component. T h e land a r m a m e n t s of m a n y n a t i o n s are considered to h a v e two functions. One is the m a i n t e n a n c e of internal order in c o n n e c t i o n w i t h the regular peace forces of the country. The strength r e q u i r e d for this purpose h a s b e e n called the "police component". The other f u n c t i o n is defence against f o r e i g n attack. The a d d i t i o n a l s t r e n g t h required for this purpose W h i l e it is not has b e e n called the "defence component' . s u g g e s t e d that these different components should be separated it is necessary to consider this contention as to functions in p r o ­ p o s i n g a p r a c t i c a l p l a n of r e d u c t i o n in land f o r c e s . U n d e r the T r e a t y of Versailles a n d the other peace treaties the armies of G e r m a n y , A u s t r i a , Hungary a n d B u l g a r i a were reduced to a size deemed appropriate for the m a i n t e n a n c e of internal o r d e r , G e r m a n y b e i n g a s s i g n e d one hundred t h o u s a n d troops for a p o p u l a t i o n o f a p p r o x i m a t e l y sixty five m i l l i o n p e o p l e . I p r o p o s e that we s h o u l d accept for a l l nations a b a s i c police component of soldiers p r o p o r t i o n a t e to the average w h i c h was thus a l l o w e d Germany a n d these other states. This formula w i t h necessary corrections for P o w e r s having c o l o n i a l p o s s e s s i o n s should b e sufficient to provide f o r the m a i n t e n a n c e of internal o r d e r b y the n a t i o n s of the world. H a v i n g a n a l y s e d these two components in this f a s h i o n , I propose as stated above that there should b e a reduction of one third in the strength of a l l land armies over and above the police component. 1 This A i r Forces. A l l b o m b i n g p l a n e s to b e abolished. w i l l do away w i t h the"^mTTTtrarpy p o s s e s s T b n of types of p l a n e s capable of a t t a c k s u p o n civil p o p u l a t i o n s a n d should be coupled w i t h the^T6XaT^profal^xtl'on'''or^all b o m b a r d m e n t froni the air. i N a v a l forces. I propose that the treaty number a n d tonnage of b a t t l e s h i p s shall b e reduced b y one third; that the treaty tonnage "or" aircraft c a r r i e r s , cruisers and destroyers shall b e r e d u c e d b y one"""fourth; that the treaty tonnage""iof submarines shall b e reduced b y one t h i r d and that no n a t i o n shall r e t a i n a submarine t o n n a g e greater t h a n 3 5 , 0 0 0 tons. The relative strength of n a v a l arms in b a t t l e s h i p s and a i r ­ craft carriers as b e t w e e n the five leading naval p o w e r s was f i x e d by the Treaty of W a s h i n g t o n . The relative strength in c r u i s e r s , destroyers and submarines w a s f i x e d as b e t w e e n the U n i t e d S t a t e s , Great B r i t a i n , a n d J a p a n b y the Treaty of L o n d o n . F o r the purpose of this p r o p o s a l it is s u g g e s t e d that the F r e n c h and I t a l i a n strength in crxiisers a n d destroyers b e c a l c u l a t e d as though they h a d joined in. the Treaty of L o n d o n o n a basis a p o r o x i m a t i n g the so called a c c o r d of March .1, 1931. 5 There are v a r i o u s technical considerations connected w i t h these naval reductions w h i c h w i l l be p r e s e n t e d by the Delegation at Geneva. General. The effect of this p l a n would be to effect a n enormous saving in cost of n e w construction a n d replacements of n a v a l vessels. It w o u l d also save large amounts in the operating expense in a l l n a t i o n s of land, sea and a i r forces. It w o u l d greatly reduce offensive strength compared to defensive strength in a l l nations. These proposals are simple and direct. They call u p o n a l l nations to contribute something. The contribution here p r o p o s e d will be relative and m u t u a l . I know of n o t h i n g that w o u l d give more hope for humanity today than the acceptance cf such a p r o g r a m v.ith such m i n o r changes as m i g h t be" necessary. It is folly for the world to go on b r e a k i n g its b a c k over military expenditures and the U n i t e d States is w i l l i n g to take its share cf responsibility b y m a k i n g definite p r o p o s a l s that w i l l relieve the w o r l d , "