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CHEMICAL PROCESSING
OCTOBER 2015
UNCONFIRMED
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 19-22, 2015
PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 19 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Chemical Processing Task Group (CPTG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Jun-2015.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Hal
Tomohiko
Cary
Malik
Craig
Michael
Jonathan
Ron
Mike
Katelyn
Karen
Karyn
Kevin
Frédéric
Robert
Jenny
Laurent
Doug
Paul
Johanna
David
Kazuhiro
Martin
Takuya
Ronald
Caroline
Marc-André
Cheryl
Susan
Mihaela
Adrien
Nick
Veronique
Dawn
COMPANY NAME
Abel
Ashikaga
Baker
Boutoba
Bowden
Brewer
Chung
Cohen
Coleman
Crowley
Dannis
Deming
Dowling
Duhamel
Faticanti
Fullum
Geerts
Hahn
Hogben
Idung Carlsson
Isenberg
Kajima
Kolinko
Konno
Kramer
LeClair
Lefebvre
Lewis
Lewis
Lupu
Maffre
Magnapera
Marcel
Mastin
Raytheon
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.
The Boeing Company
Airbus Helicopters
BAE Systems
Spirit AeroSystems
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Israel Aerospace Industries
The Boeing Company
Bell Helicopter
BAE Systems
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Spirit AeroSystems
Thales Global Services
Textron Defense Systems
Parker Hannifin
SONACA
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
The Boeing Company
GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
Parker Aerospace Group
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
Eaton, Aerospace Group
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
U. S. Air Force
Héroux-Devtek Inc.
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Lockheed Martin
SAFRAN Group
Airbus
BAE Systems
SAFRAN Group
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Chairperson
CHEMICAL PROCESSING
OCTOBER 2015
UNCONFIRMED
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Steve
Marc
Andrew
Raj
Timothy
Jerker
Jim
Jeremy
Josefa
Jonathan
Dennis
Barry
Xiaohang (Mike)
Steven
Thomas
Michael
Yuhui
Jeffrey
Zia
Shawn
Michael
Gene
Patricia
Rick
Kimberly
Sergey
McDonough
Montreuil
Murphy Jr
Nagarajan
Nance
Nordh
O'Shea
Phillips
Rodriguez-Baena
Scudder
Slattor
Snitzer
Song
Starr
Stevick
Stolze
Sun
Torone
Usmani
Vierthaler
Vosatka
Wallace
Wesemann
Wire
Woodside
Yesilevich
Triumph Group
Héroux-Devtek Inc.
The Boeing Company
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Rockwell Collins
GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
GE Aviation
Textron Aviation - Cessna
Airbus Defense and Space
Pratt & Whitney
Bell Helicopter
Rolls-Royce
Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation
Honeywell Aerospace
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Northrop Grumman
COMAC
Triumph Engine Controls
BAE Systems - MAI (UK)
Spirit AeroSystems
Rockwell Collins
Triumph Group
The Boeing Company
The Boeing Company
Parker Hannifin
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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COMPANY NAME
Mark
Matthew
Jesse
Leandro
Daniel
Tammy
Ali
Dragan (Charlie)
Marc
Phillip
Phillip
Timothy
Tom
Will
Lawrence
Airey
Akin
Alberto
Aparicio
Backus
Baker
Bakr
Bencun
Blanchette
Bratton
Brockman
Brooks
Burgess
Calvert
Carlson
Jennifer
Stephane
Charles
Neil
Peter
Todd
Jim
Sandra
Sheldon
Joe
Carpenter-McTyer
Chaumeil
Costello
Cowan
Cox
Crawford
Denton
Emery
Emmanuel
Flaugher
Robert Stuart Ltd.
True Logic Company, LLC
Connecticut Tool & Manufacturing, LLC
Advanced Coating Techniques
Har-Conn Chrome Company
In Tolerance Contract Manufacturing
Nico Products, Inc.
Painting Technology Inc.
CT Tool & Mfg. Co. LLC
Hohman Plating & Mfg. Inc.
TECHMETALS Inc.
Advanced Integration Technology
Amphenol Aerospace
Consulting
PPI Aerospace-A Division of Integrity
Aerospace
Chrome Plus International, LLC
Galion
Sun-Glo Plating Company
Nadcap Auditor
Central Metal Finishing, Inc.
GKN Aerospace - St. Louis
B-D Industries Inc.
Absolute Metal Finishing
DCI Aerotech
Lord Corporation
Vice Chairperson
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Gary
Michael
Christopher
Nathan
Tony
David
Paul
Mike
Debra
Jonathan
Don
James
Gene
Katie
Amanda
Cindy
Charissa
Keven
Casey
Mike
Superemaneyam
Yanick
Angela
Dusty
Jeff
Frank
Stefan
Jason
Rich
Juan
Mark
Simone
Abdul
Dinh
Julie
Robert
Mike
Chad
Brynn-Marie
Gregory
John
Kim
Dennis
Ken
Jim
Cindy
Frank
Victor
Tammi
Dave
Ken
Stephen
David
John
Milton
Dawn
Steve
Fox
Francisco
Fredrickson
Gangloff
Garcia
Gray
Grillo
Guthmiller
Hagar
Hebben
Horzewski
Howarth
Hubbard
Jensen
Kirchner
Klingler
Kobyluck
Kudelka
Kulhanek
Kulhanek
Kuppusamy
Lavallée
Leone
Little
Logan
Lopez
Lukas
MacQuarrie
Madsen
Moreno
Mougey
MurphyFickenworth
Nathani
Ngo
Nguyen
Nixon
Noettl
Norton
O'Neil
Penny
Peterson
Porter
Reidy
Rettger
Ringer
Roth
Saenz
Salazar
Schubert
Serbousek
Shouse
Simacek
Small
Smith
Stevenson
Stokes
Stone
Anodyne Inc.
Stabile Plating
TECHMETALS Inc.
RBC Aircraft Products Inc.
Blanchard Metals Processing
Mitchell Laboratories Inc.
Geater Machining & Mfg. Co.
Applied Aerospace Structures
NORDAM Interiors and Structures
Circor Aerospace
ATI Forged Products
Advanced Coating Techniques
RBC Aircraft Products Inc.
Magellan Aerospace
beyondRelations LLC
Quality Systems Coaching, LLC
Coating Technologies
Westfield Electroplating Company
Mico Machine Company
Mico Machine Company
Upeca Aerotech Sdn. Bhd.
Alcoa Titanium & Engineered Products
Lord Corporation
Ducommun Aerostructrues
Saporito Finishing
Semiray Special Process Division
Bohler Schmiedetechnik GmbH & Co KG
Lord Corporation
Blanchard Metals Processing
Omni Metal Finishing
TECHMETALS Inc.
Chrome Plus International
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
GKN Aerospace Chem-tronics, Inc.
Element Rancho Dominguez
PRI
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory Inc.
Asco Aerospace USA
Ellison Surface Technologies
Black Oxide Industries Inc.
Wolkerstorfer Company, Inc.
Poly Metal Finishing
C.I.L. Inc.
Lord Corporation
Tech Met
Team Industrial Services
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
NTS (Nexus Tactics & Solutions)
Helicomb
Olympic Scientific
Lord Corporation
Hytek Finishes Company
West Penn Testing Group
Synergy Metal Finishing
Anoplate Corporation
PTI Industries Inc.
Saporito Finishing
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Gigi
Bill
Mitch
David
Jim
Awwen
Victoria
Costantino
Gerald
Wilfriend
Noel
Noel
Nathan
David
Chris
Drew
Matt
Brian
Blanca
Streeter
Strong
Tanner
Thompson
Tuminello
Tyrsson
Van Patten
Volpe
Wahlin
Weber
Wessely
Wessely
Wheeler
Winter
Wolkerstorfer
Wysocki
Zanolli
Zentis
Zilli-Huerta
Barnes Aerospace
Epner Technology Inc.
Triumph Processing, Embee Division
DCI Aerotech
Tech Met
Barnes Aerospace - Ogden
SPS Technologies
Senior Operations LLC
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.
PFW Aerospace GmbH
Rexnord Industries
Rexnord Industries
RAM Company
Olympic Scientific
Wolkerstorfer Company, Inc.
H & H Engineered Coatings
Alcoa Howmet Dover Castings
Lord Corporation
Bowman Plating Company
PRI Staff Present
Ethan
Joyce
Nigel
Robert
1.2
Akins
Benkart
Cook
Nixon
Safety Information:
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Reviewed Fire Exits from Meeting Room.
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Informed attendees to contact Performance Review Institute (PRI) staff person with any
emergencies.
1.3
Reviewed Code of Ethics (Referenced: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct.
1.4
Presented the Antitrust Video (only at the first open and first closed meeting of the week for each
Task Group).
1.5
Approval of the minutes of the previous meeting.
Motion made by Cindy Roth and seconded by Mike Coleman to approve the minutes of the last
meeting. Motion Passed.
1.6
Reviewed Agenda.
2.0
REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED
The delegation trackers, t-frm-07s, of the delegated audit report reviewers, Mike Graham, Nigel
Cook, Bill Dumas, and Robert Nixon were reviewed. They all exceeded criteria for maintaining
delegation and the Task Group voted to continue their delegation.
Motion made by Susan Lewis and seconded by Jeremy Phillips for delegated reviewers to
maintain delegation. Motion Passed.
The tracker for the non-delegated reviewers John (Jack) Holman and Ethan Akins were also
reviewed. There were no issues of concern.
Some of the delegation trackers were not completed correctly, they did not include Nonconformance Report (NCR) numbers or the actual comments made by reviewers.
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ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to train the Chemical Process Staff Engineers and Consultant
Reviewers on the correct completion of the delegation tracker. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2015)
3.0
SUBSCRIBER AUDITS – CLOSED
There are no open scope exceptions.
4.0
AUDITOR CONSISTENCY (OP 1117) - CLOSED
Mike Stolze reviewed the auditor consistency presentation. The Task Group were green for all
dashboard metrics.
It was asked if the list of 2016 targeted auditors could be identified by the end of 2015.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor Consistency Team to look into the possibility of identifying the 2016
targeted auditors by the end of 2015. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2015)
If you want to observe an audit then please contact Robert Nixon, rnixon@p-r-i.org, to help
identify suitable audits.
5.0
RISK MITIGATION (OP 1110) - CLOSED
Open discussion on how risk mitigation is going.
Risk mitigation is a process used to close the NCRs on failed audits. Rather than being reviewed
by staff engineers the NCRs are reviewed by a sub-tem of Task Group subscriber voting
members. In Chemical Processing the typical mode for failure of an audit is excessive NCRs so
there is significant workload associated with reviewing and responding to the NCRs. A large
number of the subscribers present have participated in the risk mitigation process.
The risk mitigation cycle time is often significantly longer than the defined guidance in OP 1110.
The work required to support it is beyond what people have available. The level of involvement
mandated by OP 1110 cannot be achieved by the subscriber representatives and needs to be
reduced.
Nadcap Management Council (NMC) are reviewing amendments to OP 1110 which will reduce
the subscriber time required to review an audit.
Motion made by Hal Abel and seconded by Susan Lewis to notify the NMC (Planning and
Operations Meeting) that we cannot support the process as presently defined due the time/cost
required to support it. Motion Passed.
If you have ideas on how to improve the navigation menus and screen content, e.g. have the
supplier discussion thread visible in risk mitigation team review, then please let Nigel Cook,
ncook@p-r-i.org, know.
6.0
RESOLUTION BY TASK GROUP ISSUES – CLOSED
(Nigel Cook) Audit 167136: Nigel Cook reviewed the findings from audit 167136, RAIL item 145.
It was agreed to close the RAIL item.
(Susan Frailey) Observing Conjoined Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Audits: The AQS
Task Group have asked me to remind audit observers to also sign-up to the AQS audit if they are
observing a CP audit that has a conjoined AQS audit. You need to click on the linked AQS audit
and complete an observation request, and observation feedback form, for that audit also.
(Nigel Cook) Complaint: A complaint was received from a machining company about the finish
of anodized and colored parts received from a Nadcap accredited processor. The parts were
initially rejected because the colors did not match that of the samples provided and then came
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back pitted after re-processing. The letter of complaint and the purchase orders and samples
were reviewed.
None of the subscribers present had issues with this processor. It was agreed that there are
difficulties in color matching of anodize and reprocessing of parts.
(Nigel Cook) Audit 170513: The auditor raised an observation because equipment used to
control or monitor the control of a process did not have a calibration label. The equipment was
uniquely identified, calibrated, traceable to its calibration record, and in the recall system. Neither
AC7108, AS9100 nor ISO 17025 require calibration labels.
AC7108 para 3.10.1.a states: “Is there evidence of current calibration on all shop equipment used
to set, control or monitor the control of a process?”
The Task Group’s understanding is that the operator must be able to determine the calibration
status of the equipment by looking at it. The NCR is to be reopened.
(Nigel Cook) Audit 166702: The Supplier has had a fire at their facility which has shut down
some of their processes (Types 1, II and III Anodize, Silver, Zinc and Electroless Nickel) but they
plan to have them back up and running by the end of the year. Their present accreditation expires
on 31-Jan-2016 so the plan is to grant them a 3 month extension and re-schedule the audit to
January/February 2016.
Motion made by Jim O’Shea and seconded by Susan Lewis to accept a 3 month extension.
Motion Passed.
(Nigel Cook) Appeal 2015-035: Supplier previously appealed against their audit failure but this
was denied (2015-033). The Supplier is now appealing so that their audit, 166435, which is now
“Risk Mitigation – Suspended”, is taken out of suspension so that they can respond to the NCRs
within the risk mitigation process.
Motion made by Mike Coleman and seconded by Gene Wallace to take the audit out of
suspension so that the Supplier can respond to the NCRs. Motion Passed.
(Nigel Cook) IR888 – Information was provided to the Task Group about a Nadcap accredited
Supplier:
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Supplier processes parts to AMS QQ-P-416 but the required stress relief of 4hrs at 375°F
was not performed prior to plating as required by para 3.2.2. and has never been performed.
The parts audited are customer hydraulic aircraft parts and 4 different part numbers made
from 15-5PH CRES were all found to have not been stress relieved.
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Hydrogen embrittlement bake after plating was performed incorrectly. For the parts audited
QQ-P-416 required 8 hours at 375°F but the Supplier only heat treated for 4 hours.
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Baking procedure control was not performed per AMS2750. AMS2759, no records of furnace
traces have been retained. Customer requested for the heat treatment furnace traces/records
for engineering to make a decision based on the data. As per AMS2759 there is requirement
for records of time & temperature to be stored for future reference; however the Supplier
admitted they did not keep any records for Customer’s parts.
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Produced falsified process records. It was requested while onsite that process records of
batches produced were shown. After about 2 hours of waiting a record was shown, however
this was found to have been just created, and had been falsified due to the fact that the
original record could not located. The next day the original record was found and shown. The
Supplier’s special process manager admitted to the occurrence of falsifying records, it
seemed they had no issue with creating false records and for Customer it has bought their
integrity into question as a Nadcap certified company.
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Review of the Supplier’s Nadcap audits indicated that they have only one customer. In their Initial
Audit there is a note at 6.1.3.3 that states, “During the audit, the supplier contacted their
customer, the customer replied that the part need not stress relief since there is no
machining/operation after part were heat treated.”. Review of all the Supplier’s Nadcap audits
showed cadmium plated parts were de-embrittled for 24 hours at 375°F.
The body providing the information to be requested to carry out an impact evaluation and if there
is any impact then they need to notify the effected customers.
Motion made by Mike Stolze and seconded by Jeremy Phillips to form a sub-team and treat this
issue as an allegation of wrong doing. Motion Passed.
Sub-Team: Mike Stolze (Lead), Nick Magnapera, Michael Vosatka, Yuhui Sun, Nigel Cook.
ACTION ITEM: A sub-team consisting of Mike Stolze, Nick Magnapera, Michael Vosatka, Yuhui
Sun and Nigel Cook appointed to review IR888 and report back at the next meeting. (Due Date: 20Feb-2016)
Risk Mitigation Training – Does anybody want Risk Mitigation training, if so take names and
pass them to Mike Graham. (Yuhui Sun, Caroline Le’Clair, Dawn Mastin, Doug Hahn)
7.0
VOTING MEMBER APPROVAL & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN
The following requests for voting membership were received:
Title
First Name
Surname
Company
Voting Member
Type
Meetings Attended
(Month/Year)
Mr.
Barry
Snitzer
Rolls-Royce Corp
Subscriber
Voting Member
(UVM)
June
2015
October
2015
Mr.
Peter
Cox
Central Metal
Finishing
Supplier Voting
Member (SVM)
October
2014
October
2015
Mr.
Andrew
Murphy
The Boeing Co
Alternate
Subscriber
Voting Member
(ALT/UVM)
June
2015
October
2015
Mr.
Matt
Zanolli
Alcoa Howmet
Dover Castings,
Inc.
Supplier Voting
Member (SVM)
October
2014
October
2015
Mr.
Ron
Cohen
Israel Aircraft
Industries (IAI)
Subscriber
Voting Member
(UVM)
June
2015
October
2015
Mr.
Steve
McDonough
Triumph Group
Alternate
Subscriber
Voting Member
(ALT/UVM)
June
2015
October
2015
Mr.
Michael
Francisco
Stabile Plating
Supplier Voting
October
October
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Co., Inc.
Member (SVM)
2014
2015
Motion made by Susan Lewis and seconded by Cindy Roth to approve the above voting
members. Motion Passed.
The meeting membership was requested to submit requests to become voting members using mfrm-01 at least 2 weeks prior to the meeting.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to arrange for eAuditNet to be updated for the new voting members.
(Due Date: 15-Nov-2015)
Greg Penney has moved from Triumph Group to Black Oxide Industries Inc.
Jonathan Hebben has moved from Ducommun to Circor.
The compliance to voting requirements or present voting members was reviewed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to check on the meeting attendance records and voting records for
Dave Serbousek and act accordingly. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2015)
Jonathan Hebben reviewed the presentation on the Supplier Mentoring Program.
8.0
WATER PURITY FOR AMS2700 – OPEN
Mike Noettl gave a presentation on issues regarding the quality of water used for the various
corrosion tests called up in AMS2700. Because of the relationship between dissolved ions and
conductivity it would be acceptable to do a conductivity test to demonstrate the low concentration
of ions (e.g. sodium, chloride). However the test standards for conductivity testing at low
conductivity values are difficult to meet (re ASTM D1125 and ASTM D5391).
The recommendation from the sub-team was to amend AMS2700 to state that for immersion
testing and copper sulphate testing water conforming to the conductivity requirements of ASTM
D1193 Type IV shall be used.
Motion made by Mike Coleman and seconded by Jim Ringer to send the proposed change to Bob
Koukol for inclusion in the next revision of AMS2700. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Mike Noettl to send proposed changes regarding test water requirements of
AMS2700, water conforming to the conductivity requirements of ASTM D1193 Type IV shall be
used for immersion testing and conductivity testing, to Bob Koukol. (Due Date: 31-Dec -2015)
9.0
CHECKLIST STRATEGIC PLAN – OPEN
Nigel Cook reviewed the present status of the checklist strategic plan. All checklists have
completed the ballot process and will now start to be built in eAuditNet with an expected
effectivity date of 03-Jan-2016, except AC7108/1 because it requires a 90 day notification due to
technical changes for other commodities. Although for the other checklists the changes are nontechnical they are showing a revision letter change so in the new Smart Checklist system they will
go to full (standard) scope. For the new slash sheets AC7108/8 to AC7108/14, questions that
were modified scope in the main checklist will be modified scope if in the main section of the
slash sheet.
10.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE FEEDBACK – OPEN
Nigel Cook reviewed the auditor conference feedback form.
Items for the next auditor conference:
Saturday PRI Presentations
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Auditor Consistency – Mike Stolze and sub-team
Other standard presentations (NCR writing etc.)
Review of checklist strategy.
Sunday Presentations
 IVD – Hal Abel – (9 votes)
 Prime escapes, what sort of issues are the primes seeing. (e.g. top 10 issues) – Hal Abel,
Jeremy Phillips, Michael Coleman, Ethan Akins (30 plus votes)
 Cessna Specification System Changes – Jeremy Phillips. (6)
 Specification Status (Superseded, replaced by, etc.) – Mike Noettl, Hal Abel, Mike
Coleman, Susan Lewis, Robert Nixon (lead). (30 plus votes)
 Zinc/Nickel Plating – Mike Coleman (Lead), Jim Cummings, Ethan Akins. (20 plus votes)
 Thickness Measurement – Sub-team (20 plus votes)
 Surface Roughness Measurement – Karyn Deming (lead), Mike Noettl, Kim Porter, Zia
Usman, Mike Stolze, and Robert Nixon. (10)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to send out a communication to auditors asking for items to be covered
at the next auditor conference. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Sub-teams to start working on their auditor conference presentations and come
back to the February meeting with an outline. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
11.0
CP/ NON-DESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT) AC7108/2 PROPOSAL – OPEN
The AC7108/2 and /15 checklists have been approved and will become effective on 03-Jan-2016.
The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) has been approved by both the Chemical Processing
and Non-Destructive Testing (NDT) Task Groups and signed by their respective chairs. The
signed MoU was passed to Joyce Benkart for updating of the MoU matrix.
Auditor training took place at the auditor conference and covered the new questions on inspector
training and certification and job audit requirements.
The training presentation for audit report reviewers has been partially completed but still needs
some details, e.g. process steps and example defects for anodic etching, that were to be
provided by David Neal from Rolls-Royce but he is no longer involved with Nadcap.
Matt Zanolli, Alcoa Howmet, offered to join the sub-team
12.0
SELF AUDIT VS. INTERNAL AUDIT - OPEN
Mike Stolze presented the sub-teams work and recommendations regarding job audit
requirements for a supplier’s internal audit and self-audit. AC7108 Rev G and the Chemical
Process Audit Handbook define the need to do some job audits for the self-audit but do not
require job audits for the supplier’s internal audit. The sub-team made the following
recommendations:
AC7108: 2.1.1: The supplier shall complete a self-audit to AC7108 and other slash sheets in their
scope, in preparation for this audit. Include several job audits particularly if those processes are
done in different areas, by different personnel or for different technologies (e.g. anodizing,
electroplating, electroless plating, painting, etching, etc.). Performing a thorough, objective selfaudit against each question in the checklist is the critical first step.
Audit Handbook: 2.1 Prior to the Audit.
It is strongly recommended that job audits are completed for each technology in the scope of your
audit.
Job audits for the Nadcap Self Audit should be selected based on:
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Rotation of Customers Technologies, Processes, Specifications
Non-Conformance History
Process Variability/Complexity
Changes of Personnel and Equipment
Motion made by Doug Hahn and seconded by Jeremy Phillips to amend the Audit Handbook now
and include the proposed changes to AC7108 in the next technical revision. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend section 2.1 of the Chemical process Audit Handbook
regarding the guidance on the number of job audits. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend AC7108 Rev I Draft to include the proposed amendment to
section 2.1.1 regarding the number of job audits. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
13.0
NMC METRICS & AUDITOR CAPACITY – OPEN
Nigel Cook reviewed the auditor capacity graph and NMC Metrics. All were green except Supplier
Merit which was yellow.
14.0
CALIBRATION OF THICKNESS STANDARDS – OPEN
Mike Coleman presented the sub-team’s proposal for inspection/calibration requirements of
thickness standards. After discussion a definition for detrimental/excessive wear was also
included.
Amend AC7108 3.10.1. (b) to state, “All test and inspection equipment, including measurement
standards, used to accept product or control a process?”
Add new 3.10.2, “Does the frequency of recalibration/reverification of equipment and
measurement standards ensure continuous compliance?”
Amend B.16.5.1 to include additional CAG, “Controlled includes periodic visual examination to
ensure no detrimental/excessive wear or damage and periodic recalibration/reverification, see
3.10.”
Detrimental/Excessive Wear: Visual wear including scratches and wear such as creasing that
does affect the accuracy of the standard’s measurement. If the test area appears sufficiently
damaged then the verification standard shall be replaced
Motion made by Jonathan Hebben and seconded by Kim Porter to accept the sub-team’s
proposal with the inclusion of a definition for “detrimental/excessive wear”. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include the proposed changes for calibration of thickness standards
into the next revisions of AC7108 and AC7108/4. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
15.0
NMC SUMMARY REPORT – OPEN
Karyn Deming presented the NMC Summary report.
16.0
SUBCONTRACT PYROMETRY – OPEN
Tammi Schubert gave a presentation on the NMC sub-team activity for subcontract pyrometry.
No final decision has been made yet and the Heat Treat Task Group has been actioned to
provide additional data where NCRs are due to errors in sub-contract pyrometry.
17.0
AUDITOR CONSISTENCY
Mike Stolze gave a presentation on auditor consistency. The Task Group was green for all
dashboard metrics.
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18.0
REACH – OPEN
Paul Hogben gave a presentation on the status of REACH for the Boeing Company.
Zia Usmani gave a presentation on the status of REACH for BAe Systems
19.0
REPORT OUTS – OPEN
Nadcap Management Council (NMC): Jim Cummings gave a report out from the NMC meeting.
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Risk Mitigation to change to a staff engineer review process with a minimum of 3
subscribers approving the NCR closure. Suppliers will have to pay $2000 to have the
failed audit reviewed with in the RM process.
A new Task Group for assembly practices has been proposed by the Sealants Group.
Proposed restrictions on the number of Task Group Supplier Voting Members will not be
implemented but there may be changes on allowances for alternates.
The need to conduct a self-audit to the Nadcap checklist is being standardized.
He ballot process is being amended from 45 day letter ballot followed by 14 day
affirmation ballot if technical changes to 28 day letter ballot and 28 day affirmation ballot
is technical changes.
Supplier Support Committee (SSC): Eric Jacklin gave a report out from the Supplier Support
Committee (SSC) meeting.
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At the SSC meeting there was a Supplier presentation on best practices for Nadcap and
a presentation from a staff engineer giving their perspective on audit review.
They are also looking at having an SSC Breakfast where Task Group representatives can
attend and raise issues.
A newsletter is being prepared and there is also an SSC folder with a lot of information.
The Supplier Survey is open.
Aerospace Quality System (AQS): Mike Coleman gave a report out regarding his role as the
AQS representative.
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Looking at putting together a presentation on calibration requirements.
In the process of looking at a new AC7004 with implementation in 2018
Are reviewing special process checklists for compliance to, and not existence of, quality
system requirements.
Recommend that the CPTG amend AC7108 para 3.10 to require “Evidence of current
calibration for all equipment…” rather than “…on all equipment…”
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include the proposed changes for AC7108 para 3.10 “Evidence of
current calibration for all equipment…” rather than “…on all equipment…” into the next revisions
of AC7108. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
Planning and Operations (P&O) Closed: Karyn Deming gave a report out on the Planning and
Operations and closed meeting.
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There was a request to amend the definition of a main site.
There was a proposal from CP to allow a 90 appeal period for issues (e.g. escapes) that
affect merit due to the time taken to get design authority responses.
Chemical Processing - Supplier Action Team (CP-SAT): Mike Noettl gave a report out from
the CP-SAT meeting.
The meeting was well attended.
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There is a previous request for the Auditor Consistency Team to look to see if there is any
correlation between auditors that do not attend the Auditor Conference and the number of NCRs
raised.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor Consistency Team to determine if there is any correlation between auditors
that do not attend the Auditor Conference and the number of NCRs raised. (Due Date: 20-Feb 2016)
Some anodize hot seals are not compliant to specification (cation). CP-SAT asked to look into
this and provide report out at the February 2016 meeting.
ACTION ITEM: CP-SAT to provide more information on the compliance of anodize hot seals
(cation). (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
Concerns were raised that receipt inspectors of manufacturers and design authorities were
rejecting parts based on appearance but they are compliant to the acceptance standards.
Susan Lewis believed there was a MIL spec and NASA spec on acceptable/unacceptable visual
indications. Let Mike Noettl know the spec numbers.
ACTION ITEM: Susan Lewis to provide Mike Noettl the specification references (Mil, NASA)
regarding acceptable/unacceptable visual indications. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2015)
ACTION ITEM: CP–SAT to obtain data including pictures, specification number and acceptance
requirements of parts that have been incorrectly rejected. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
Some CP Suppliers are having issues with adhesion failures of water based primers.
A CTION ITEM: CP-SAT to provide more information on the paint adhesion issues for water based
primers. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
AMS-QQ-P-416: The latest revision contains several errors in table 1a, de-embrittlement
requirements and a new revision, Rev E, is in ballot.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to raise an auditor advisory to make people aware of the error in AMSQQ-P-416 Rev D regarding the de-embrittlement times in table 1a. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2015)
20.0
ANY OTHER BUSINESS – OPEN
Audit 160074: A Task Group Review comment required this issue be raised at the open Task
Group Meeting. An NCR was raised because the operator did not clean the adhesion test panel
prior to adhesion tape testing as required by the internal procedure. The root cause was given as
operator did not follow the instruction but further root cause was required, “Please re-address root
cause. Blaming the operator ignores the quality and management oversight of the processes.”
(Nigel Cook) Taber Testing: JohnArcher@poeton.co.uk raised the following concerns regarding
Taber Testing.
If you are anodizing to Mil A 8625 it has a requirement for 10,000 cycle Taber wear testing with a
maximum wear index of 3.5 g/1000 cycles for high copper alloys. The specification asks for
testing to comply with Fed-Std-141 Method 6192.1. This is obsolete and directs you to use ASTM
D4060. The problem is ASTM D4060 is designed for abrasion testing of organic coatings not hard
anodizing and recent amendments to the test method make it impossible to follow the test
method and meet the requirements of coating specifications.
The test method requires coated panels to be conditioned prior to testing by storing in a 23°C,
50% RH environment for a minimum of 24 hours. During this time, the hydroscopic anodic film
absorbs moisture from the air and gains weight. After conditioning, the panel is weighed prior to
testing. The panel is then placed on a direct drive turntable for approximately 3 hours (the time
taken to do 10,000 cycles). During this time, heat from the electric motor beneath the turntable
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UNCONFIRMED
drives off the moisture in the anodic film absorbed during conditioning. When the panel is
reweighed at the end of the test, you are measuring a weight loss from abrasion of the coating
plus a weight loss from moisture. This combined weight loss exceeds that allowable in the coating
specifications and is not a true reflection of the abrasion resistance of the coating.
As ASTM D4060 is designed to measure organic coatings, there is also a requirement to dress
the wheels after every 500 cycles as they get clogged with organic debris and cease being
abrasive. This is not the case with hard anodizing and to fully comply with the specification will
involve dressing the wheels 20 times for each 10,000 cycle test. With requirements now to carry
out multiple testing on a range of alloys every month, this is impractical.
In BS 5599:1993, the method for abrasion testing was given in the specification and uses a Taber
test. In this version, however, the test panels were placed in a desiccator for 16 hours before
each weighing operation to eliminate interference in the test method from water absorbed into the
anodic film. This was a far better method as it was designed specifically to measure abrasion
resistance of hard anodic coatings. Unfortunately, BS 5599 has now been superseded by BS EN
ISO 7599:2010 which has a default abrasion test to comply with BS EN ISO 8251:2011.
Manufacture of the test equipment detailed in this specification ceased just before the
specification was published meaning most people have to use ASTM D4060 instead. BS have
shown no interest in amending this specification when the issue of obsolete equipment was
raised by SEA.
We are in the position now that you can either fail the requirements of the coating specification or
not follow the test procedure. Either of these will trigger a major NCR in a NADCAP audit.
Resolving this issue will require a further amendment to ASTM D4060 or, the better option, have
specifications refer to a test method designed to measure anodic coatings where equipment is
still commercially available.
ACTION ITEM: Craig Bowden to take the issue of the lack of an acceptable test standard for taber
testing of anodize coatings to the ADS Committee for the BS specifications. ASTM D4060 is really
for testing organic coatings rather than hard anodize coatings (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
(Robert Nixon) Impact Testing: What calibration would a Gardner impact gauge require (drop
weight, impact rod surface, height, etc.). Boeing has requirements in their PS specifications for
this as a periodic test.
Motion made by Mike Stolze and Nick Magnapera to set up a sub-team to generally look at
impact testers where there is a lot or periodic test requirement for CP.
ACTION ITEM: A sub-team of Mike Stolze (Lead), Nick Magnapera, Jim Cummings, Steve Simacek,
Andy Murphy and Ethan Akins was appointed to review impact testers used in acceptance and
periodic testing for chemical processing and determine their calibration requirements. (Due Date:
20-Feb-2016)
(Nigel Cook) AC7108 Section 5.4 and 5.5: When changing from AC7108 Rev F to Rev G the
allowance (design authority exemption) to use an oven controlled to section 5.5 for temperatures
above 121°C was removed because the definition of thermal treatment was amended to identify
that drying was not a thermal treatment. Some suppliers have failed to recognize this change and
it was requested that an auditor advisory be issued.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue an auditor advisory identifying the removal of the exception to
allow AC7108 section 5.5 for furnaces used for thermal treatments. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2015)
(Nigel Cook) AMS2700: AMS2700 is confusing in its wording regarding lot testing and the Staff
Engineers would like guidance on its interpretation. The basic question is whether a Supplier
needs design authority approval to do copper sulphate or corrosion testing as a lot test.
The next revision of AMS2700 has just been balloted so we need to check the new revision.
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ACTION ITEM: A sub-team of Mike Noettl, Hal Abel, Steve Starr Daniel Backus and Ethan Akins
appointed to review the new revision of AMS2700 to ensure it is clear on the requirements for
which test method to use. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
Succession Plan: As of February 2016, Mike Stolze will be replacing Karyn Deming as
Chairperson. After various discussions with potential candidates Karyn and Mike would like to
nominate Mike Coleman as new vice-chairperson to be appointed next February.
Motion made by Jim O’Shea and seconded by Jim Cummings for Mike Coleman to become the
Chemical Processing Task Group Vice-Chairperson at the February 2016 meeting. All in favour.
Auditor Consistency: Regarding the 2015 Auditor Consistency Matrix, SAFRAN would like to
add to the 2016 Criteria the following item. “If significant difference of NCR’s between two
consecutive audits, Staff Engineer shall review the audit with fewer deviations and identify the
auditor as part of the targeted population.”
We can define the rule of thumb as +/-3 findings will trigger the request for Staff Engineer to
identify if the previous / current audit is efficient and auditor targeted.
The Auditor Consistency is looking at this and will consider for 2016, there were also comments
that both auditors should be reviewed, also later audits are expected to have fewer findings and
there are checklist changes.
ACTION ITEM: The Auditor Consistency Team to consider including an additional metric,
significant change in the number of NCRs for consecutive audits at the same supplier, for helping
identify targeted auditors. (Due Date: 20-Feb-2016)
Additional, SAFRAN would like to question: Is the audit scheduling affected by the “targeted”
designation of the auditors. There is no indicator in eAuditNet if an auditor is targeted, this is done
outside of eAuditNet and the list of audits is supplied to the subscribers for selecting audits to
observe.
Audit Handbook Approval:
Changes to the CP Audit Handbook were proposed to clarify the scope for Independent test labs
holding ISO17025 accreditation and the use of traceable standards to calibrate conductivity
testers for the purpose of solution control.
Motion made by Steve Starr and seconded by Jim O’Shea to approve the changes to the Audit
Handbook. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue the amended Chemical Process Audit Handbook. (Due Date:
15-Nov-2015)
Audit Review Guidelines Approval: There are no proposed changes to the audit review
guidelines.
(Hal Abel) Electronics and Plating: Spoke to Electronics Task Group and they do not cover
plating. Numerous chemical processes are used in the manufacture of electronic boards and
parts. If Subscribers have issues then please make their Electronics rep aware of the issue.
Several suppliers plate electronics components.
New Technologies: Brainstorm to identify any new technologies for inclusion in the Chemical
Process audit scope. No new processes identified.
Approval of AQS MoU: No MoU to approve the AQS Task Group are amending their OP 1114
Appendix and removing the need for the MoU.
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OCTOBER 2015
UNCONFIRMED
Henkel Rebranding: Boeing shared how they are addressing the Henkel rebranding issue. PFW
confirmed that the materials they use are dual labelled, the old name is in the label footer. Any
issues to be fed back to Andy Murthy in regard to Boeing tip sheet CP-TS-2015-003.
21.0
MEETING FEEDBACK AND DEVELOP THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT TASK GROUP
MEETING
Boeing presentations were well received. The Suppliers would like other subscribers to give
presentations on their processes and flow down requirements.
Recent meetings have finished early on various days, could we not fill this time with subteam/breakout activities.
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Coffee in the afternoons
Keep Monday as a closed meeting
NMC on Thursday at February 2016 meeting
Continue breakout sessions
Review subscriber subject matter experts in the closed meeting.
ADJOURNMENT – 22-Oct-2015 – Meeting was adjourned at 11:00 a.m.
Minutes Prepared by:
Nigel Cook
ncook@p-r-i.org
Joyce Benkart jbenkart@p-r-i.org
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