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Eisa JohaliPhD EL, Lecturer at KSU CAMS
Islamic Philosophy of Peace and Unity in One
Despite the widely contradictions between the ideology, religion and philosophy I believe that originally they were brothers
like all humans where there one human....This is the first reason behind this thread
Despite that there are many Islamic and Islamic scientists against the term "philosophy " as it's widely misused, I think
philosophy came from or by religion's reasonings
This is the second reason of this thread. ...
The third and the most important reason that Islam is not a new religion nor religion of Arabs as many wrongly think....NO;
Islam is the universal religion of "All Holy Prophets" this philosophical foundation of this thread
So; How Do You Thin
Doc@ "Religious experiences actually shrink the brain…"
Not right, thinking and reflecting in religion bread the brain ….. author of this article has
misunderstanding, study misunderstanding people
Philosophy is widely misunderstood and misused ............ instead of perfected sciences, it is
blemished philosophy .....see Johali Conference paper and MA (Ed.)
An evacuation route or cultivation route?
Philosophy was cultivation route "Logic Wisdom" before Greeks......and came back
with Ibn Rushed, Al Ghazali, Averroes….Philosophies about 8th to 15th Centuries to
cultivate Greeks evacuations
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamed_Muhammad_ibn_Muhammad_Ghazali,
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ir/art/ibn%20rushd-rep.htm;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes ) BUT now it come back to evacuation route
Search for your roles while I am prepare for more clear evidences
Story of Doc = People of Lot
Just Samples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_in_Islamhttp://www.anusha.com/lot.htmhttp://www.i
slamreligion.com/articles/1872/
Continue Luca = Nimrud
Reflections on the Story of Prophet Ibrahim (as);
• Reliance on Allah (concept of Tawakkul and the attribute of Al-Wakeel); Lessons learned.
• Tawheed (Oneness of Allah), Ikhlas (Sincerity)
• Sacrifice, and Reliance on Allah
• Facing the Tyrant: Nimrod.
• Separation from Paganism & Evil (the Hijrah.
• The Concept of Auliyah in Islam; Elegance and Alliance.
• Speaker: Dr. Bashar Shala
http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamResp..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIdiLeHHLsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2FZiYVz1RY&list=PL6475890A720E25A9
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Story of Doc = People of Lot :
Must watch for all.Prophet Lot (pbuh) Gay punishme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbDSD30DdcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Bz_r6py80
Sorry if graphics are really bad. Looked good when made
Children Bible Story 04 - Story of Lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp2g2Y6SAQA
Bible Stories - God Destroys Sodom and Gomorrah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJddXduWjs
still a lot of Doc stories done
Story of Reza = Abu Lahab done
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%AB_Lahab
http://islamstory.com/en/node/40087
http://islamicbooks.info/H-3-Surahs/3-Masad.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyo
This is an in-depth look at the miracle of a surah that most of us might recite in our salahs.
I used tafseer ibn Kathir to do most of the research and about 3 articles from the net.
If there are any mistakes, then they are from me, and the all the good there may be is from
Allah(swt). InshaAllah i hope this video helps strengthen your iman
A nice article:
http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech...
Today Atheists Play the role of ancient Atheists .....detail soon
Luca = Nimrod … With Prophet Abraham (PBUH done
Doc = People of Lot (PBUH) done
Reza = Abu Lahab with Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) done
Doug = Abu Alhakam with Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) change to people of Noah ‫من هم قوم نوح‬
Is human able to penetrate or bench sky
Later Peter
NOW
Doug = Pharaoh with Prophet Moses (PBUH) done
Search for your roles while I am prepare for more clear evidences
Later may be still n
Peter was Pharaoh look for other !!!!!!!!!!!!!! not yet
Keenth - Haman the brother of Pharaoh he mentioned …….. but not yes …its enough to Pharaoh Haman
‫على فرعون يامان‬
Ancients popular atheists
Doug = Story of People of Noah instead of Abu Alhakam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRjQAtAIQw
The Story of Prophet Nuh (Noah) with Zaky | HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGCm2IPlIsU
Atheist 6th Grader asks Pastor about Noah's Ark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAeUW8RisA
Story of Pharaoh with Moses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FAFx9qxYeY
Later Peter
NOW
Doug = Pharaoh
Story of Doug = Pharaoh the father of Jews atheists
Pharaoh Pharaoh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FAFx9qxYeY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJdXNFJFfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8fVd6ql_I
later
Humans NASA didn't penetrate or even reach sky !!!? they still in earth space
Furthermore interests evidences for great creation :
SpaceQuotations.com > Wonder & Magic of Space Quotes
Still later
Humans NASA didn't penetrate or even reach sky !!!? they still in earth space
Furthermore interests evidences for great creation :
SpaceQuotations.com > Wonder & Magic of Space Quotes
http://www.spacequotations.com/magicspacequotes.html
The oldest picture book in our possession is the midnight sky.
— E. W. Maunder, Nineteenth Century, September 1900.
I love to revel in philosophical matters—especially astronomy. I study astronomy more than
any other foolishness there is. I am a perfect slave to it. I am at it all the time. I have got
more smoked glass than clothes. I am as familiar with the stars as the comets are. I know all
the facts and figures and have all the knowledge there is concerning them. I yelp astronomy
like a sun-dog, and paw the constellations like Ursa Major.
— Mark Twain, letter to the San Francisco Alta California newspaper, 1 August 1869.
Looking at these stars suddenly dwarfed my own troubles and all the gravities of terrestrial
life. I thought of their unfathomable distance, and the slow inevitable drift of their
movements out of the unknown past into the unknown future.
— H. G. Wells, The Time Machine, 1895.
http://www.reasons.org/articles/new-astronomical-proofs-for-the-existence-of-god
http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/5-proofs.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbHPE5o-wYE
100% PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS - MUST SEE ALL ATHEISTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muq1BiqSMHc
Doc like Luca = Nimrod + Pharaoh + Haman + Abu Lahab ……….nothing satisfy him
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Here is the whole lies ......Who luck the truth can't write truth
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Who luck truth. Morality. ..Ethics Never bring or write or picture or reflect the Truth
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Follow in depth Islam to know the Truth that you haven't
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Be credible
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Be true philosopher, researcher and author
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Eisa, about your claim: religion and philosophy were brother!!!
I seriously reject it. Instrument of philosophy is rational thinking, and religion is based on God's inspiration. Philosophy can seek
for acceptable reasons for the some religion, but religion have nothing to say about philosophy.
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Saudi Arabia - United Stated have strong and long historical relation goes to
Roosevelt 1945 with well documented as 'law' NOT with Bush family ......
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Thanks Afsaneh
You are right this is the widely misunderstanding of 'religion-philosophy-science':
If Instrument of philosophy is rational thinking.... the Divine Religion is promote use of human rational thinking too but many
don't know, neglect or don't like ......
- First, let us think rationally pure "Who Create 'mind-brain' the Instrument of rational thinking "
- Then; let us use rational thinking to focus only \ directly on this main mission of the Divine Inspired Religion:
" Worship of God the Only One God "
Is it less or more logic than nothing or god for every nation or humans.....??!!
Is there any defect, disadvantages, negative face in this mission ?!!!!
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What are the benefits that human will get out from this universal mission ?
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Good morning .....watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6IegmkUb74
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Everything in the above link are useful but ...it is enough to know this truth:
slam and the mind
By using our mind and senses of touch, smell, taste, hearing and sight which most humans have we can asses everything around
us and conclude nothing in the universe exists on its own. All of them whether the leaf on a tree, plants, computers, cars etc rely
on other things to work and survive and all of them are restricted by universals laws which they cannot go beyond. This indicates
that they could not have created themselves and they cannot live forever due to their reliance on other things for their existence,
which means there must be something other than them that brought them into existence. The creator cannot have any of the
attributes of the created as this would place the creator in a situation of being created.
When the correct process of thinking is used it is inevitable that all people would come to the conclusion of a creator. It is only
deviant thinking that has allowed evolutionary ideas to gain mainstream attention. The Islamic belief is a rational belief built
upon the mind. Over 60% of the Qur'an discusses Allah's creations and orders all to think about the created. There are many
verses in the Qur'an that ask all humans to think and ponder:
َ‫َيءٍ أَ ْم هُ ُم ْالخَا ِلقُون‬
ْ ‫أَ ْم ُخ ِلقُوا مِ نْ َغي ِْر ش‬
َ‫ض بَل ََّّل يُوقِنُون‬
ِ ‫س َم َاوا‬
َّ ‫أَ ْم َخلَقُوا ال‬
َ ْ‫ت َو ْاْلَر‬
"Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they are
sure of nothing!" [At-Tur , 52: 35-36]
ْ ‫ت ِ أْل ُ ْولِي‬
ْ ‫ض َو‬
ٍ ‫ار آليَا‬
‫ب‬
ِ ‫س َم َاوا‬
َّ ‫ق ال‬
ِ ‫اْللبَا‬
ِ ْ‫ت َواْلَر‬
ِ ‫اختِالَفِ اللَّ ْي ِل َوالنَّ َه‬
ِ ‫إِنَّ فِي خ َْل‬
"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of Night and Day, there are indeed signs for men of
understanding." [Al-Imran, 3:190]
Through the use of the rational method we can conclude the correct theories from the completely irrational theories.
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Islam came about before physics and the concept of singularity.
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Doc@" Islam came about before physics and the concept of singularity"
What is this called 'physics' !!!!!!!!!!! it just a baby of a tinny pin of the created universe that human too late discover ……. More
wonder that you think this tinny pin creates universe !!!!!!
Islam is the religion Adam the first man created in the earth billions before physics …. ….READ this great article:
ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF CREATION OF UNIVERSE, BIG BANG AND SCIENCE-RELIGION INTERACTION
By
Faheem Ashraf
The picture of universe provided by the Big Bang Theory is fairly accurate. According to this theory our universe came into
existence about 15 billion years ago in a violent explosion. Quantum effects like quantum fluctuation caused the generation of
energy from almost nothing. The energy was spread uniformly. Due to quantum uncertainty and other effects the uniformity was
broken and there emerged the anisotropies. These anisotropies during inflation period expanded into galactic sizes. While the
universe was expanding it was cooling as well. This cooling has caused the formation of different particles—matter formation.
When the energy got sufficiently low, the particles like neutron and protons combined to make primordial gases. These gases due
to anisotropies started to concentrate in some regions of universe giving rise to formation of galaxies and stars. This description
of creation of universe is supported both by experimental discoveries and mathematical formulations. But there are some very
interesting questions like what happened before the Big Bang and what determine the properties of universe or the initial
conditions ? These questions are partly answered by quantum gravity, to be more precise, the Hawking—Hartley’s ‘No Boundary
Proposal’, which says that universe has no initial or final boundaries and the universe is self generated.
There is another key question. It has been evident since long that if our physical constants have been slightly different then the
life on the Earth would not have been possible. Why the physical constants have the value they have, or what made it that
physical constants have such values to make life possible in this universe. Moreover, the overall chemical composition of the
universe was determined by the physical conditions during the first few seconds of the Big Bang. For example, the elements on
which life depends such as Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and Iron are the products of nuclear fusion reactions within the stars if the
initial condition would have been different from formation of stars ; nuclear fusion and supernova which distributed these would
not have been possible. Also the processes by which the chemical elements are formed are governed very precisely by the
strengths of four fundamental physical interactions : gravitation, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear interactions. If the
relative strengths of these forces were different, the resultant universe would have been different. For example, increasing the
strong nuclear interaction by 3 % relative to electromagnetic interaction gives a cosmological model in which none of the known
chemical elements could have been formed. Conversely, decreasing it by just 1 % gives a model in which Carbon atoms would
be highly unstable. Both scenarios would preclude carbon-based life. Other tiny variation in these forces might have given rise to
a universe which contained 100 % helium or one in which supernova explosion could not occur (since these explosions are
though to be chief way in which the chemicals necessary for life are ejected from stars), these scenario too preclude the evolution
of life. These ‘precisions’ in the various parameters, such as to give rise to life, are known as the ‘Anthropic coincidences’.
Last but not least what caused these physical laws to be applied in the universe or in other words wherefrom these laws came ?
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Do you know that Saudi informed you about all the Hijackers before 1991 that they are terrors but you didn't trust us ...instead
you protected and trained then how to attack you
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Eisa, about your claim: religion and philosophy were brother!!!
I seriously reject it. Instrument of philosophy is rational thinking, and religion is based on God's inspiration. Philosophy can seek
for acceptable reasons for the some religion, but religion have nothing to say about philosophy.
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Saudi Arabia - United Stated have strong and long historical relation goes to
Roosevelt 1945 with well documented as 'law' NOT with Bush family ......
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Anyway let us focus on our topic please
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Eisa Johali
PhD EL, Lecturer at KSU CAMS
Thanks Afsaneh
You are right this is the widely misunderstanding of 'religion-philosophy-science':
If Instrument of philosophy is rational thinking.... the Divine Religion is promote use of human rational thinking too but many
don't know, neglect or don't like ......
- First, let us think rationally pure "Who Create 'mind-brain' the Instrument of rational thinking "
- Then; let us use rational thinking to focus only \ directly on this main mission of the Divine Inspired Religion:
" Worship of God the Only One God "
Is it less or more logic than nothing or god for every nation or humans.....??!!
Is there any defect, disadvantages, negative face in this mission ?!!!!
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What are the benefits that human will get out from this universal mission ?
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Eisa Johali
PhD EL, Lecturer at KSU CAMS
Good morning .....watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6IegmkUb74
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Religion - Islam & the real Rational Thinking
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http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/concepts/belief/5484-islamic-belief-and-rationality
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Eisa Johali
PhD EL, Lecturer at KSU CAMS
Everything in the above link are useful but ...it is enough to know this truth:
slam and the mind
By using our mind and senses of touch, smell, taste, hearing and sight which most humans have we can asses everything around
us and conclude nothing in the universe exists on its own. All of them whether the leaf on a tree, plants, computers, cars etc rely
on other things to work and survive and all of them are restricted by universals laws which they cannot go beyond. This indicates
that they could not have created themselves and they cannot live forever due to their reliance on other things for their existence,
which means there must be something other than them that brought them into existence. The creator cannot have any of the
attributes of the created as this would place the creator in a situation of being created.
When the correct process of thinking is used it is inevitable that all people would come to the conclusion of a creator. It is only
deviant thinking that has allowed evolutionary ideas to gain mainstream attention. The Islamic belief is a rational belief built
upon the mind. Over 60% of the Qur'an discusses Allah's creations and orders all to think about the created. There are many
verses in the Qur'an that ask all humans to think and ponder:
َ‫َيءٍ أَ ْم هُ ُم ْالخَا ِلقُون‬
ْ ‫أَ ْم ُخ ِلقُوا مِ نْ َغي ِْر ش‬
َ‫ض بَل ََّّل يُوقِنُون‬
ِ ‫س َم َاوا‬
َّ ‫أَ ْم َخلَقُوا ال‬
َ ْ‫ت َو ْاْلَر‬
"Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they are
sure of nothing!" [At-Tur , 52: 35-36]
ْ ‫ت ِ أْل ُ ْولِي‬
ْ ‫ض َو‬
ٍ ‫ار آليَا‬
‫ب‬
ِ ‫س َم َاوا‬
َّ ‫ق ال‬
ِ ‫اْللبَا‬
ِ ْ‫ت َواْلَر‬
ِ ‫اختِالَفِ اللَّ ْي ِل َوالنَّ َه‬
ِ ‫إِنَّ فِي خ َْل‬
"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of Night and Day, there are indeed signs for men of
understanding." [Al-Imran, 3:190]
o
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Through the use of the rational method we can conclude the correct theories from the completely irrational theories.
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Doc@" Islam came about before physics and the concept of singularity"
What is this called 'physics' !!!!!!!!!!! it just a baby of a tinny pin of the created universe that human too late discover ……. More
wonder that you think this tinny pin creates universe !!!!!!
Islam is the religion Adam the first man created in the earth billions before physics …. ….READ this great article:
ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF CREATION OF UNIVERSE, BIG BANG AND SCIENCE-RELIGION INTERACTION
By
Faheem Ashraf
The picture of universe provided by the Big Bang Theory is fairly accurate. According to this theory our universe came into
existence about 15 billion years ago in a violent explosion. Quantum effects like quantum fluctuation caused the generation of
energy from almost nothing. The energy was spread uniformly. Due to quantum uncertainty and other effects the uniformity was
broken and there emerged the anisotropies. These anisotropies during inflation period expanded into galactic sizes. While the
universe was expanding it was cooling as well. This cooling has caused the formation of different particles—matter formation.
When the energy got sufficiently low, the particles like neutron and protons combined to make primordial gases. These gases due
to anisotropies started to concentrate in some regions of universe giving rise to formation of galaxies and stars. This description
of creation of universe is supported both by experimental discoveries and mathematical formulations. But there are some very
interesting questions like what happened before the Big Bang and what determine the properties of universe or the initial
conditions ? These questions are partly answered by quantum gravity, to be more precise, the Hawking—Hartley’s ‘No Boundary
Proposal’, which says that universe has no initial or final boundaries and the universe is self generated.
There is another key question. It has been evident since long that if our physical constants have been slightly different then the
life on the Earth would not have been possible. Why the physical constants have the value they have, or what made it that
physical constants have such values to make life possible in this universe. Moreover, the overall chemical composition of the
universe was determined by the physical conditions during the first few seconds of the Big Bang. For example, the elements on
which life depends such as Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and Iron are the products of nuclear fusion reactions within the stars if the
initial condition would have been different from formation of stars ; nuclear fusion and supernova which distributed these would
not have been possible. Also the processes by which the chemical elements are formed are governed very precisely by the
strengths of four fundamental physical interactions : gravitation, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear interactions. If the
relative strengths of these forces were different, the resultant universe would have been different. For example, increasing the
strong nuclear interaction by 3 % relative to electromagnetic interaction gives a cosmological model in which none of the known
chemical elements could have been formed. Conversely, decreasing it by just 1 % gives a model in which Carbon atoms would
be highly unstable. Both scenarios would preclude carbon-based life. Other tiny variation in these forces might have given rise to
a universe which contained 100 % helium or one in which supernova explosion could not occur (since these explosions are
though to be chief way in which the chemicals necessary for life are ejected from stars), these scenario too preclude the evolution
of life. These ‘precisions’ in the various parameters, such as to give rise to life, are known as the ‘Anthropic coincidences’.
Last but not least what caused these physical laws to be applied in the universe or in other words wherefrom these laws came ?
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The Problem that you think you discover great things with these human fallacies including Big Bang Theory or the 2nd biggest
lie after evolution ....
Read to know that every thing you talking about is already explained :
ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF CREATION OF UNIVERSE, BIG BANG AND SCIENCE-RELIGION INTERACTION 2
By
Faheem Ashraf
There is no obvious physical reason, in the Big Bang theory, to the questions just raised. But one thing is quite certain that
according to laws of nature we know today that very small changes in any of these key parameters would have resulted in a
grossly different universe. So the chance of life permitting universe would be vanishingly small as compared to all theoretically
possible universes.
Such enigmas can be responded either by appealing to God that the almighty God has set the values of the physical constants
such that the life should be possible or by invoking the ‘Anthropic Principle’. The first option is referred to as Divine Action at
Quantum Level. The other option though avoid direct appeal to God, maintains that according to quantum Gravity—No
Boundary Proposal, they are millions of different quantum mechanically possible universes, each with different values of
physical constants. Only those universes with suitable physical constants will contain intelligent life.
It is obvious from the above discussion that the cosmology, like all other sciences, has deep religious implications since it
specifically deals with creation of universe and emergence of life which are central questions of every religion. Scientific
discoveries always challenged beliefs of all religions. Let see what is the Islamic concept of creation of universe, and how have
the challenges and implications, that have been posed by Big Bang Theory and modern science, been responded by Muslims and
Christians scholars ?
Let see, first of all, what is Islamic concept of creation of universe and how Modern Muslims thinkers and scholars tackle the
question of Science—Religion interaction.
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ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF CREATION OF UNIVERSE
One thing must be understood that The Quran is not a text book of Astronomy or Physics. As Dr Absar Ahmed has said in his
paper on “Creation and Evolution in Quranic Perspective’ that the primary function and intent of the Quran is the detailed
discussion of practical matters related to Guidance and the Straight Path. These matters are of immediate and common concern
for every single human being so that he or she may attain salvation on the Day of Judgment. Consequently, the Quran keeps the
needs of masses in focus and takes into account their intellectual capacities ; as a result, the Quran relies upon only general
Pointers to address issues related to specialized philosophical or academic interest, higher gnosis, and subtle spiritual realities.
For those with sharpened intellects and heightened spiritual sensibilities theses general pointers should be more than enough to
shed light on such matters”.
Now let’s see what picture emerges from the Quranic verses—pointers – referring to the creation of universe.
According to The Quran, the life containing universe is solely created by the Almighty God—Allah—and He is the Supreme
Ruler of the universe. To this effect let me refer to few Quranic verses ;
God is the Creator of everything ; is the One, the Omnipotent. (13 : 16)
God is the Creator of everything and He is incharge of everything. (39 : 62)
Originator of Heaven and Earth, and whenever He decrees something, He says to it : ‘Be’ and it is. (2 : 117)
Do they not see how God initiates the creation, and then reproduces it ? Surely that is easy for God. Say : ‘travel in the earth and
see how God initiated the creation’. Then God will create another creation ; surely God has power over all things. (29:19-20)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and is firmly established on the throne (of
authority) : He draweth the night as a veil o’er the day each seeking the other in rapid succession : He created the sun the moon
and the stars (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern ? Blessed be Allah the cherisher
and sustainer of the worlds ! (7:54)
There are many other ayahs (verses) which refer to the fact that all that is on the Earth and in the Heavens is created by Almighty
God.
Second important fact according to The Quran is that this universe—Earth and Heavens—has definite life period and has some
definite objectives like other creations.
Sura No 46, Ayah No 3 says :
“We created not the heavens and the earth and all between them but for just ends and for a term appointed : but those who reject
faith turn away from that whereof they are warned”.
This Ayah clearly rejects any notion of eternal universe which other theories like steady state theory holds.
Next important question is creation of universe from out of nothing or creatio-ex-nihilo. To this effect we do see few direct
references in The Quran, from which scholars have derived the creation ex-nihilo.
Sura 19 Ayah No 9 says : He said : "So (it will be) : thy Lord saith `that is easy for Me : I did indeed create thee before when
thou hadst been nothing !’ ".
Also scholars quote ayah No 47 of Sura 3, which says : She said :
"O my Lord ! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me ?" He said : "Even so : Allah createth what He willeth ;
when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it `Be’ and it is ! And many others used by scholars to infer the concept of creation
ex-nihilo.
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These Ayahs refer to the creation of human being and the birth of Christ but scholars that these creations show that God has
power to create things out of nothingness. He faces no difficulty and does not need any material or resources in fulfilling this
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Next thing is the concept of emergence of universe from a very dense state called singularity. To this effect we see in Sura 21
ayah No 30 that :
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove them
asunder ? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe ?
In Sura 21 two words ‘Rataq’ and ‘Fataq’ have been used. According to Maulana Maudoodi the words ‘Rataq’ and ‘Fataq’
means that the universe was in a fused matter and God decreed it to separate to form the heavens and the earth. These words
according to Maulana had different meaning for people of past, now, Physics and Astronomy has changed the meaning of these
words. Similarly Tahir ul Qadri maintains that these words point to creation of universe from the initial singularity.
The Creation of universe started, Allama Tahir- ul -Qadri says, from initial state which is Falaq lets see Translation of Sura Falaq
by Tahir Ul Qadri ;
“Take the refuge in My Omnipotence from all created things, which have been formed by an explosion and ordered by My
Lordship attribute. I am your lord, the ruler of the Galaxies, which I have scattered into the infinite reaches of the space through a
magnificent explosion that started from initial singularity, and, through this explosion a lot of forces, energies radiations and
reactions came into existence, which may be damaging for life, so take refuge from those evils. Because whoever takes refuge in
Me is protected from all evils”.
Now as Anthropic principle and quantum gravity suggest that there could have been many more quantum universes in addition to
our universe, these universes may have their own values of physical constants and nature of the physical laws. To this fact we
refer to Sura 65 Ayah No 12 which says :
Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments (heavens) and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (Allah)
descends His Command : that ye may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah comprehends all things in (His)
Knowledge.
It should be noted that if the word ‘Samawat’ is taken equivalent to universe then there are at least 7 other universe (one above
other like onion) each with its own sets of physical laws. And it is apparent from this Ayah that God created other worlds system
and God’s commands descend (Keep in mind the use of present tense) in those systems. Use of present tense means that these
systems exist today contrary to what Quantum Gravity theories suggest.
As to the formation of Galaxies and stars, The Quran hints at the formation of the heavens and the earth from the gaseous matter
in Sura No 41 Ayah 11-12 :
Moreover He Comprehended in His design the sky and it had been (as) smoke :
He said to it and to the earth : "Come ye together willingly or unwillingly." They said : "We do come (together) in willing
obedience. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And
We adorned the lower heaven with lights and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might Full of
knowledge." These ayahs show that the lowest heaven or our universe is decorated or provided with visible objects like stars and
galaxies, other heavens which lie above our system or universe may not contain the type of visible objects like we have in our
universe. These universes may contain different types of objects and even laws if we consider the words ‘assigned to each heaven
its duty and command’ means natural laws.
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Referring to the uniformity of the universe on large scale Sura 67 Ayah No 3 says :
He Who created the seven heavens one above another ; no want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most
Gracious so turn thy vision again : Seest thou any flaw?. Taken collectively, these ayahs—pointers—clearly demonstrate that the
universe is created by Allah the Almighty, who did not encounter any resistance or needed any resources to carryout His plan. He
only said Be and there started the process of creation of universe.
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SCIENCE – RELIGION DEBATE : GLIMPSE OF MUSLIMS’ RESPONSE
Many Muslims believe that the historical conflict between religion and science was a conflict between a particular religion—
Christianity—and science, and that while it is too bad that Christianity emerged from the engagement badly bruised, Islam has no
fears of such a clash. The conclusion drawn about Islam needs to be further elaborated. Science can not cause problem for Islam
but it has definitely influence the outlook and thinking of many Muslims scholars, theologians and even simple minded people.
For example as we have just shown that Islam has its own concept of creation of universe so the scientific concept of creation of
universe like Big bang theory has deep implications for Muslims. Thus this influence of science has given rise to, without
coming into limelight, a kind of science-religion debate since sir Syed Ahmed Khan. Let us take only a few examples from our
region and see how some leading scholars have taken science-religion relationship.
Let’s start with Allama Iqbal. He says in The Reconstruction of religious thought in Islam ;
“The Quran recognizing that the empirical attitude is an indispensable stage in the spiritual life of humanity, attaches equal
importance to all the regions of human experience as yielding knowledge of ‘Ultimate Reality’ which reveals its symbols both
within and without….the naturalism of the Quran is only recognition of the fact that the man is related to nature, and this relation,
in the view of its possibility as a means of controlling her forces, must be exploited not in the interest of the unrighteous desire
for domination, but in the nobler interested of a free upward movement of spiritual life. In the interest of securing a complete
vision of Reality, therefore, sense—perception must be supplemented by the perception of what the Quran Describes as Qalb.”
In another place Allama making his case for Ijtihad says ;
“The teaching, of the Quran that life is a process of progressive creation necessitates that each generation, guided but
unhampered by the work of its predecessors, should be permitted to solve its own problems”.
Thus we can see Iqbal strongly advocates synthesis of Science and Religion such that this synthesis should be useful for spiritual
development of man.
Strictly following Iqbal’s view came forward Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz. He tried to inculcate a spirit of rationality so that Muslim
should take maximum advantage of science but in doing this he went too far, according to Theologian, he tried to explain the
Quran in modernistic terms using present scientific knowledge instead of traditional approach. In this attempt, he in fact, adopted
a line which is purely a kind integration of Islam with modern values.
There is another track in the field of science – religion interaction. It is a form according to which science and scientific
knowledge can be employed to understand the Quran and Ahadith but Science, as principle, occupies a lower place than the
Sources of Islamic Traditions. This line can be seen in the work of Maulana Maudoodi. We can see, in the work of Maulana
Maudoodi, especially in Tarjuman Ul Quran, that he uses scientific data extensively to explain matter related to universe and to
clarify and elaborate the Quranic message that had been difficult to understand hitherto. But whenever there is a conflict between
the science and religion, like birth control issue, Maulana quickly adopts orthodox line against the Science.
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There is yet another line, according to which, the relation between science and religion is not question of only theology or
science but it is a question of philosophy as well. Let me quote famous Iranian scholar and physicist Dr. Mehdi Golshani, he says
;
“In my opinion, there are lots of confusion and fallacies concerning the problem of creation, especially among modern
cosmologists. This, in my humble view, is the result of their lack of philosophical understanding. The problem of creation is not a
matter of physics alone. It needs theological and philosophical reflection as well”.
He further recommends the following strategy :
“We should explore our universe, by science, as much as we can, but we must avoid making claims about the absolute
origination of the universe on physical grounds. Philosophy and theology can save us from making unsound exaggerated
scientific claims, and can give us a proper metaphysical framework for our science and a ground for our being. In this
framework, the description of the physical aspects of the universe is left for scientific investigation, but the ultimate explanation
of the universe is provided by God.”
There is yet another line advocated by Dr. Bilal Masood. He opines :
“A complete natural view of the world is not compatible with the Islamic beliefs as it is not compatible with beliefs of any other
religion. So, here we have some concerns against materialism that we have to share with other religions of the world. The
importance of balance in Islam is very relevant here : we have to avoid both extreme views of too much supernatural and of no
supernatural. He also asserts that (in the preaching Islam) in spite of importance of (scientific) examples, it is important to keep
in mind that there is an approach to the Islamic beliefs that does not rely on (scientific) example-as –arguments.
Despite different lines followed by Muslim Scholars the general pattern of thought is such that Muslims usually uses science as a
means of knowledge like other branches of knowledge and at the same time Muslims uphold Revealed knowledge as well.
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Muslims, despite their present clash and mistrust with the west, share many common themes and Beliefs with Christians. For
example the belief of Omnipresent and Omnipotent God Who constantly act in this universe. So the experiences of Christian
theologians will be a good guide, to some extent, to appreciate and understand the challenges of modern sciences to religion. Let
see how the question of science-religion relationship has been taken by Christians.
The science and religion are entangled with each other since 16th century. This entanglement had bruised both science and
religion. Realizing the importance of both fields, it has now been felt that there should be some meaningful
relationship/interaction between both fields of knowledge and aspiration. This has initiated the field of study known as sciencereligion interaction. The field has explored the influences which science exerts on the religion and vice versa. Ian Barbour, one
the most respected scholar of science-religion debate, has proposed that there are four types of relations or ways of relating
science and religion. These are conflict, independence, dialogue and integration. Similarly John F Haught, Professor at
Georgetown University, also proposed Ian Barbour typology. Let me quote his own words he says ;
“I see four principal ways in which those who thought about the problem express their understanding of the relationship of
religion to science. (1) Some hold that religion is utterly opposed to science or that science invalidates religion. I shall call this
Conflict position. (2) Others insist that science and religion are so clearly different from each other that conflict between them is
logically impossible. Religion and science both are valid, but we should rigorously separate one from other. This is contrast
position. (3) A third type argues that although science and religion are distinct, science always has implications for religion and
vice versa. Science and religion inevitably interact, and so religion and theology must not ignore new developments in science.
For the sake of simplicity I shall call this contact approach. (4) Finally, a fourth way of looking at the relationship—akin to but
logically distinct from third—emphasizes the subtle but significant ways in which religion positively supports the scientific
adventure of discovery. It looks for those ways in which religion, without any way interfering with science, paves the way for
some ideas, and even gives a special kind of blessing, or what I shall call confirmation, to the scientific quest of truth.’
It is not necessary to enter into more detail regarding the ‘Typology’ of the relationships between science and religion. My aim is
to present a general map of the ways of relating science and religion in Christian and Muslim world. Keeping this in mind let see
how some eminent Western scholars deal with Big Bang and question of creation in religion.
One prominent reaction to Big Bang has been by those who saw Big Bang as a support for theism. As Paul Davies put it :
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A singularity is the nearest thing that science has found to a supernatural agent.
He also says that ‘The possibility that given the laws of physics, a universe can appear spontaneously rests on the “prior”
existence of these laws of physics. Given, the laws, the universe can take care of itself. But where do the laws come from ?
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There is another view held by agnostics like S. Hawking their view point in S. Hawking’s words is ;
“There would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down, and no edge of space-time at which one has to appeal
to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for space-time.”
And :
“But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end.
What place, then, for a Creator ?”
There are some who are looking for a dialogue between the Science and Religion like Ian G. Barbour. Let me now quote Ian G.
Barbour, he says :
“It is equally impossible to imagine a beginning of time or an infinite span of time. Both are unlike anything we have
experienced. Both start with an unexplained universe. I will agree that the choice of theories could be made on scientific grounds
alone, and that the difference between them is only of secondary importance religiously.”
Similarly R. J. Russell holds that :
“Whether the origin of the universe as we know it involves a previous quantum super space, or whether the universe had an
absolute beginning 15 billion years ago, the universe is contingent : it does not seem to include the grounds for its own existence,
it does not offer an ultimate explanation of why anything at all exists in the first place, and therefore it points to that on which all
beings necessarily exist – God.
In brief there are three types of people in the west : the one who have ‘developed the system of idealism by compromising reason
with faith’, the other group has ‘developed the system of materialism by clear separation from religious faith’ and third group
hopes to integrate both through a dialogue between them.
Now if we compare the Islamic concept of creation of universe appears in The Quran and Current Big Bang theory, we can see
that there are some features of Big Bang theory that are closely similar to the Islamic concept of Creation of Universe, for
example, creation out of nothingness, initial singularity, concept of formation of galaxies from primordial gases, and uniformity
of universe on large scale. Also there are a few features of creation where there is no uniformity of ideas between Islamic concept
and Big Bang Theory, for example, notion of multi-universe/worlds. Second, if we compare the science religion
relationship/interaction in Christian perspective and in Islamic perspective we see that there is a great deal of similarity in the
type of ways of interaction/relationship and responses in both monotheistic religions. Third, that as we have seen that the Islamic
concept of creation of universe is not contrary to the present scientific theories ; in fact the theories have enhanced our
understanding of the universe. This enhanced knowledge of the universe has improved our understanding of the Quran and
Ahadith. So science, though it has provisional theories has become a key requirement in understanding Religion, as it explained
several things like existence of other universes/worlds and fused status of heaven and earth, etc which our old exegetes were
unable to explain. Thus science is not only a requirement of material comfort but also a key requisite for appreciation of religion.
Fourth, science has provided us a universal language with which we can interact with the people of other religions and cultures.
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As far as Islam being the universal religion, I believe that history shows that the Roman Catholic church beat the Muslims to that
claim by about 700 years. If there were a God, I for one would be surprised that any group of humans could claim exclusive
marketing rights to a supreme deity. I would think that the deity would be, and rightly so, insisting on speaking for itself. I say
itself because a supreme deity, by definition of being the only one would be sexless. Not female and not maile. Gender would be
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This is the Serious Truth that You Wrote .........Thanks
Islam is is not our or Arab or current Muslims' Religion NO NEVER ...Islam is the Real Religion of Adam...Noah ...Abraham
..and all Holy Prophets were Muslims "Worship God Only One God " this the ultimate evidence.
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Islam is is not our or Arab or current Muslims' Religion NO NEVER ...Islam is the Real Religion of Adam...Noah ...Abraham
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I thought Islam was a religion? U see what it claims is not logical... that's why U have to have faith... like Muhammad meeting
Jesus and Abraham by flying to Jerusalem on a magic carpet.
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Elsa. You might be an exception within Islam, at least if Karen Armstrong, author of "A Hostory of God," (1) is correct in her
evaluation of Islam. Here is what she says about Islam and science:
"In the Islamic world there are grave reservations about Western Politics but few find a problem to reconcile their faith in God
with Western science." (2)
The arguments you present are almost identical to the ones that certain elements within Christianity make regarding evolution
and the Big Bang Theory. So you seem to share with fundamental Christians an inability reconcile your religious beliefs with the
models and methodology of science.
Perhaps you might benefit in "Exloring the Gap between Science and Religion. See www.exlorethegap.net.
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SInce you stated purpose to this dialog is the discuss Islam philosophy, let us touch on what see you doing.
The arguments you use as proof of the existence of God have been bantied around for, what, over a thousand years!? The
problem you have is you start with the assumption that al-Lah exists, then seek out rational arguments to prove that starting
premise.
I submit that this is the starting point of religion, not philosophy. Philsophy instead starts with the question. What is the nature of
truth? What is the nature of the universe? What is the nature of knowledge? How do I know that I know what I think I know?
Religion starts with someone claiming "revelation." And with religion, each one is making the claim that THEIRS is that last and
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Welcome Lee
I am sure everything you are touching and going to touch will be nothing in the World of Islam Philosophy .........
Sure All Inspired Divine Religions (IDRs) in Islam (not the human altered\changed......) are Perfect of Great Perfect the God the
Only One God The Great Who Create You and by His Well we will die all
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All IDRs = Islam are started with God Only One God and promote us to THINK ...To QUESTION To Debate To Make Sure that
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Whom Said That IDRs including Isalm are against Thinking Are Wrong ...they don't know religion .....
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Just I am waiting to "Assess" your Back Ground .......
Then Whom Are Really Ready To Know Truth ...?!!
They Will See The Reality of Comprehensiveness of Islamic Philosophy in all Aspect of Life....If all of You Are Ready - Serous
and Cooperative ........
We Will Come Out With Great Philosophy remedy the humanity wounds that came from Greek's philosophies
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Muslim Innocence
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Keep y tube attacking vedio for you ...everything writing agsinst Muslims not true just racism from Westers
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Keep y tube attacking vedio for you ...everything writing agsinst Muslims not true just racism from Westers
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Lost In Translation
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Always you video, link and comments are the worst ... so lost
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U lie! U didn't even look at it-- too busy chopping off heads for King Abdullah?
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Thanks Hilmar
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Doc - how profane! They don't "chop" heads off.. they "behead" the white devils - much more civilized, wouldn't you say?
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Yes... it's all how you say it... like Republicons who say: we are cutting your benefits... but say it with a smile... a shit eating
smile... and speaking of shitty Republicons... here is where U can flush them as they are
turds: http://www.jokeroo.com/pictures/funny/toilet-bowl-to-mouth.html
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WELCOME HERE , there and anywhere Doc & Terry
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HERE; THERE & EVERYWHERE, My UUH Philosophy based on:
1) Only One Origin of Human Being
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See how nice U can be Eisa when U R not running about trying to chop off non-Muslim heads?
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It can be Eis-Doc-Terry's UUH Philosophy ....Do You Like to start serious research project ?
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Eisa,
I am glad that also you recognize that, in dealing with modern science, Christian and Muslim scholarship are in the same boat.
For modern science, in fact, has encouraged modern intellectuals to turn against religion. Thus, Karl Marx saw religion through
the perspective of the political alliance between throne and altar that, in his century, still was alive. His view that has been
influential to many intellectuals until today was that religion was a product of superstition being caused by poverty and illiteracy.
Hence, he predicted that religion would die with abolishing the traditional alliances between throne and alter, with reducing
poverty, and with introducing a public educational system. In countries that have done both, this has not yet happen. But it is
clear that it has reduced the influence of religious communities on their societies enormously. In Europe, the churches enter
minority status in their own traditional countries.
What we need is a clear analysis of the reasons, in order to stop this trend being destructive for religious communities, whether it
is Islam, Christendom or Judaism. My guess is that, in Western countries, this trend is the consequence of the end of their
alliances of throne and altar. Basically, however, I appreciate the end of that alliance. For it allows Christians today to connect
anew with religion in its original sense of individuals having trust in God and obeying his commandments being summarized
by.the one of loving God and our neighbor, as we love ourselves. As they have experienced it themselves over and over in
history, Muslims have been one of the first victims of that alliance. Not only in the sense that they were the victims of the
crusades or the reconquista of Spain, but also in the sense that even Mohamed could not escape to enter political alliances that, to
many intellectuals today, show to many similarities with the Christian alliances between throne and altar. Thus, more and more
intellectuals in Islamic countries seem to think that the traditional alliances between Islam and political rulers in traditionally
Islamic countries also should be destroyed.
Thus, Christians and Muslims are in the same boat of fighting for their mission in this world, after, for many intellectuals and
others, the alliance between throne and altar has distorted Gods mission beyond recognition. Since, in the final analysis, the
missions of Christendom and Islam in this world are God's mission, they are one and the same. And the end of the alliances
between throne and altar in Western countries opens up to a new chance for us to contribute to its credibility. To my mind, the
problem of the West is that the churches have not yet faced the historic end of that alliance, but rather continue, as if it was still
alive. And, in fact, the lack of the courage to face that end prevents churches to see God's mission today. Hence, they are not
ready to reconcile with Islam to the point that we could do God's mission together. I believe that making churches face the end of
that alliance and reconciling with Islam and Judaism today are the most urgent tasks for Islamic and Christian
philosophy/theology. Could this be a forum for discussing how to accept and carrying out those tasks?
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Regarding all Holy Prophets the best source is Islam "Quran". ..not because it is my religion never but as it is more religion
accept all Holy Prophets .. Plus Islamic history
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As for the theories of the West, or even unstated the theories of the Hebrew trilogy, I think Eisa is on the right path, within each
is a foundation of acceptance, however in each is the foundation of separations, thus the stance of opposition to each other,
however even in the darkest of our paths of histories, the foundation and structure is/was awareness of self. thus creating an
educational system to achieve "wisdom". Which is the only common thread of agreement.
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Despite the huge problems with today's Muslims ...I am sure if Muslims and non Muslims understand and follow the Right Path
the " Middle" Islamic Teachings of the whole Holy Prophets ...we will achieve the main mission of Islamic Philosophy "Unity of
Humanity"
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"Despite the huge problems with today's Muslims .. " which is Puritanism... making private 'sin' public law...
Part of one of the courses that I teach... Intimate Relations... involves homosexuality which generally means attraction to one's
own sex either male or female.
One student said that Saudi Arabia didn't have any homosexuals and that stories of young boys lining up in alley's on their knees
with their mouths open were just that... stories.
But in this country Muslim students are coming up to me all the time and declaring that they might be homosexual.
I tell them there is a simple test that they can do in the privacy of their
own bedroom. They first need to go to a produce store and purchase a
banana. A banana that is pleasing to them... one that ultimately they
would not mind having in their mouth.
Next arrange the room the way they would for any romantic encounter...
relax... and then un-peel the banana as if you were unzipping your lover's
fly... and then go down on the banana.
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If you get an erection: U R Gay. This is called: the Fruit Test
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Eisa, I agree to a point, but need to state clearly, that to provide a objective stance in the discovery of values, one would also
include the writings and beliefs of those both outside of the faith, but outside of the doctrines of the Hebrew Deity, even within
the writings of the ancients are similar agreed to values. The core of which has been philosophy, or the discovery of human
values discussed.
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My dear Doc,
You describe the Muslim as being the only sinner in the world and that is totally wrong. We all have our sins, i have sinned and
you did so dont make a saint out of yourself and say that you have never slept with no more than 10 girls before marriage and
another 10 after marriage but this is what you call modern ages and what others call " Sin ".
By describing the homo sexuals as well i think you either watch too many movies of Atheists in love or you still ignore that in
some Western countries Homos are getting married but what the heck , " some Muslims come to me " as you are their Psychiatric
mentor or dear Mom or who ? What do you represent for them ? The modern intellectual world or the scientist who understand
the world better than god and his prophets. You must be way above all of them for the people begging you to find solutions to
their sexual problems. What can i say , sometimes dreams come true.
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nasser! Please have some empathy... here a Muslim young man finds he might have homo-erotic thoughts. He doesn't know what
to do as in the Muslim religion, being a homosexual is a capital offense.
He's just taken the Fruit test and had an erection while fellating a banana: nothing could possibly be worse.
Then scores of other Muslim men would come to me and say that there was plenty of homosexuality in Muslim countries , in
fact, probably more than in all other countries combined.
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It's all non-verbal. No mention of homosexual sex is ever made. One man simply gets behind another and raises his dress.
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What do you represent for them ? The modern intellectual world or the
scientist
Yes! That's it the scientist.
Unlike most Muslims I know that sexuality is a given at birth due to
something called
the DSN (dimorphic sexual nucleus). U can Google it.
Anyway this DSN which is in the developing brain of the human embryo
determines the flow and production of testosterone... the sex assignment
hormone!
If U think of your sexuality chemically, think of it as a coast line with
tides... the tides are like hormones... creating either boy or girl or
something in between...
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In other words the biology of sexual assignment is done at birth... as your
brain is sexed at birth and that's why some people who are gay say I have a
woman inside me... according to their brain they are right. This has
nothing to do with morality or the great bearded legend of Islam; it has to
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HUH?
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No female Muslim students said that... male Muslim students have said they
would like to dress up as bananas and dance around on a stage that has been
set as a mouth.
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Doc, before you go running down a road in which I am sure we will tangle up in can we hold true but for a moment longer.
The idea, that gaining knowledge, and understanding in and of itself is a selfish pursuit.
Let me clarify if I can, have you ever met a teacher who shuns the giving of knowledge to a child?
Have you ever met a preacher of a faith? Any faith they seem to be an individual who sets their lives apart attempting to live
above reproach to their values.
Have you ever met a true philosopher? A person who questions the every thoughts of himself as reasoning, thus everyone they
meet.
Stick them together and within hours of discussions it will become apparent that the very doctrine, has its errors.
I can assure you of that fact on each side of the stone throwing within the Hebrew Singularity.
I seem to remember in my own life time that the rights of women, blacks and gays where a Jeo-Christian issue as well. In fact in
a resent such discussion, the theologian found that in most of the writings of both Christian and Hebrew faiths, it actually is
written that for a woman to seek sexual comfort from another woman was ok. As was there no adultery in an older married male
you takes the same comfort in a young un married woman. (Which by the way is a great way of starting a discussing on
prostitution.) The sin is only hers not his.
To a one there is a bunch of miss guided information being modeled to modern times, in support of finding the differences of
these faiths.
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Ah but here is the rub, when you say "To a one there is a bunch of miss guided information being modeled to modern times, in
support of finding the differences of these faiths."
the problem, in my opinion, is that they are concerned with religion at all. To tie your point of view to ancient writings of zealots
and power brokers who use mythical beings that are of the imaginary supernatural realm is such a colossal waste of human
attention and effort.
imagine a world where none of this distraction exists. No hiding behind :it was God's will" for acts of atrocity. People would
have to face what they were. No excuses, no "I had to do it because that was written"
To think that we tip toe around because someone believes, with nothing real to show that it is true, that they have to mutilate
male and female genitalia to satisfy some nutbar religious standard. That a person must carry a dagger strapped to their leg to
honour God. That a person will be granted some number of virgins if they only die a martyr. What did the virgins do to deserve
this? Did they get a choice as to participate in this. And the legend of martyrdom is now expanded to include the family of the
martyr. Yes, now the whole family is guaranteed a free ticket to paradise. I suspect that there is a ticket scalper there somewhere
with forged, and phoney tickets.
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That is my rant for today, and perhaps this month. I tire of it so. It seems all so futile.
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Doc , it seems that you like bananas more than cucumbers eventhough they might have the same effect , in any case this
abnormal behaviour is not restricted to Muslim men or women, it is expanding thanks to priests behaviour in children schools . I
would like to stop at this point without discussing it any further so i might not be considered as interfering in subjects that are not
of my business.
Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends and you restrict it to some odd behaviour from certain men. Lets make them
wives and mistresses, this way everybody will keep his dignity.
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Doug , just a remark , we do not say " I had to do it because it was written " . This is a false statement , we accept what happened
to us because we feel it is written , we try our best to escape from a tragedy , we keep fighting cancer to the last breath , but when
" our hour comes " we accept it and say " it is written this way " . There is no escape from death , even if you hide in the biggest
towers , it will reach you either as a young man or a 100 years old sheikh and then you will say it is written.
You have to try to read and understand . Do not just take the sentences that you do not like and elaborate , you will get lost.
Muslims always say " La Elaha ella Allah " meaning in English ( and i hope i am not lost in translation ) " There is no god but
one god (or other than god) " you are saying " La Elaha "
" There is no god " Please complete the sentence.
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and Doug to add to your statement, why would a supreme being care what people. believe. This like assuming a supreme being is
like a king with and ego. Then the last judgment really would be impossible to manage.
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Ah now we seem to have a forum of contentions..
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Doug the statement about the Ancients may actually show of more value than you think, even in the stories of the Greeks and the
depictions of Titans or of any of the Demi Gods, lay stories of Morals which may in fact have been barrowed, by the Hebrew
Singularity, be that from the side of Muslim or Jeo- Christian, even going further in history you find a repeating theme of moral
parables. So why would one hold the information back or withhold that information.
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"Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends ..."
U know I was just writing the other day about men who cheat on their wives with prostitutes.
And it all comes down to societal guilt and embarrassment perpetuated by a puritan culture and reinforced by sex Sharia
enforcers, who quite literally are sex scolds.
Many men find it awkward, to say the least to ask for certain things from their wife or say certain things to her for fear they will
get back to the rest of the family: "he wanted you to do what!"
So they would rather be with an anonymous whore that will 'do it' or 'take it' in a way his wife never would.
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For example: I knew this Muslim whose father could not climax unless he shouted out 'U ph'king Bitch'. When he confessed this
to his wife, she would have none of it and said: if you want to call someone a ph'king bitch, get a prostitute. So he did.
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So if i understand your logic you are for this kind of " relief "?
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Almost say the negative part or the point he like to attack if to criticise or with evdence you welcome
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Again there is God Only One God and there is Day of Judgmental as there is Death. .....Sure without any doubt
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No female Muslim students said that... male Muslim students have said they
would like to dress up as bananas and dance around on a stage that has been
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Doc, before you go running down a road in which I am sure we will tangle up in can we hold true but for a moment longer.
The idea, that gaining knowledge, and understanding in and of itself is a selfish pursuit.
Let me clarify if I can, have you ever met a teacher who shuns the giving of knowledge to a child?
Have you ever met a preacher of a faith? Any faith they seem to be an individual who sets their lives apart attempting to live
above reproach to their values.
Have you ever met a true philosopher? A person who questions the every thoughts of himself as reasoning, thus everyone they
meet.
Stick them together and within hours of discussions it will become apparent that the very doctrine, has its errors.
I can assure you of that fact on each side of the stone throwing within the Hebrew Singularity.
I seem to remember in my own life time that the rights of women, blacks and gays where a Jeo-Christian issue as well. In fact in
a resent such discussion, the theologian found that in most of the writings of both Christian and Hebrew faiths, it actually is
written that for a woman to seek sexual comfort from another woman was ok. As was there no adultery in an older married male
you takes the same comfort in a young un married woman. (Which by the way is a great way of starting a discussing on
prostitution.) The sin is only hers not his.
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these faiths.
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Ah but here is the rub, when you say "To a one there is a bunch of miss guided information being modeled to modern times, in
support of finding the differences of these faiths."
the problem, in my opinion, is that they are concerned with religion at all. To tie your point of view to ancient writings of zealots
and power brokers who use mythical beings that are of the imaginary supernatural realm is such a colossal waste of human
attention and effort.
imagine a world where none of this distraction exists. No hiding behind :it was God's will" for acts of atrocity. People would
have to face what they were. No excuses, no "I had to do it because that was written"
To think that we tip toe around because someone believes, with nothing real to show that it is true, that they have to mutilate
male and female genitalia to satisfy some nutbar religious standard. That a person must carry a dagger strapped to their leg to
honour God. That a person will be granted some number of virgins if they only die a martyr. What did the virgins do to deserve
this? Did they get a choice as to participate in this. And the legend of martyrdom is now expanded to include the family of the
martyr. Yes, now the whole family is guaranteed a free ticket to paradise. I suspect that there is a ticket scalper there somewhere
with forged, and phoney tickets.
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Doc , it seems that you like bananas more than cucumbers eventhough they might have the same effect , in any case this
abnormal behaviour is not restricted to Muslim men or women, it is expanding thanks to priests behaviour in children schools . I
would like to stop at this point without discussing it any further so i might not be considered as interfering in subjects that are not
of my business.
Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends and you restrict it to some odd behaviour from certain men. Lets make them
wives and mistresses, this way everybody will keep his dignity.
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Doug , just a remark , we do not say " I had to do it because it was written " . This is a false statement , we accept what happened
to us because we feel it is written , we try our best to escape from a tragedy , we keep fighting cancer to the last breath , but when
" our hour comes " we accept it and say " it is written this way " . There is no escape from death , even if you hide in the biggest
towers , it will reach you either as a young man or a 100 years old sheikh and then you will say it is written.
You have to try to read and understand . Do not just take the sentences that you do not like and elaborate , you will get lost.
Muslims always say " La Elaha ella Allah " meaning in English ( and i hope i am not lost in translation ) " There is no god but
one god (or other than god) " you are saying " La Elaha "
" There is no god " Please complete the sentence.
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and Doug to add to your statement, why would a supreme being care what people. believe. This like assuming a supreme being is
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Doug the statement about the Ancients may actually show of more value than you think, even in the stories of the Greeks and the
depictions of Titans or of any of the Demi Gods, lay stories of Morals which may in fact have been barrowed, by the Hebrew
Singularity, be that from the side of Muslim or Jeo- Christian, even going further in history you find a repeating theme of moral
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"Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends ..."
U know I was just writing the other day about men who cheat on their wives with prostitutes.
And it all comes down to societal guilt and embarrassment perpetuated by a puritan culture and reinforced by sex Sharia
enforcers, who quite literally are sex scolds.
Many men find it awkward, to say the least to ask for certain things from their wife or say certain things to her for fear they will
get back to the rest of the family: "he wanted you to do what!"
So they would rather be with an anonymous whore that will 'do it' or 'take it' in a way his wife never would.
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For example: I knew this Muslim whose father could not climax unless he shouted out 'U ph'king Bitch'. When he confessed this
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Almost say the negative part or the point he like to attack if to criticise or with evdence you welcome
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No female Muslim students said that... male Muslim students have said they
would like to dress up as bananas and dance around on a stage that has been
set as a mouth.
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Doc, before you go running down a road in which I am sure we will tangle up in can we hold true but for a moment longer.
The idea, that gaining knowledge, and understanding in and of itself is a selfish pursuit.
Let me clarify if I can, have you ever met a teacher who shuns the giving of knowledge to a child?
Have you ever met a preacher of a faith? Any faith they seem to be an individual who sets their lives apart attempting to live
above reproach to their values.
Have you ever met a true philosopher? A person who questions the every thoughts of himself as reasoning, thus everyone they
meet.
Stick them together and within hours of discussions it will become apparent that the very doctrine, has its errors.
I can assure you of that fact on each side of the stone throwing within the Hebrew Singularity.
I seem to remember in my own life time that the rights of women, blacks and gays where a Jeo-Christian issue as well. In fact in
a resent such discussion, the theologian found that in most of the writings of both Christian and Hebrew faiths, it actually is
written that for a woman to seek sexual comfort from another woman was ok. As was there no adultery in an older married male
you takes the same comfort in a young un married woman. (Which by the way is a great way of starting a discussing on
prostitution.) The sin is only hers not his.
To a one there is a bunch of miss guided information being modeled to modern times, in support of finding the differences of
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Ah but here is the rub, when you say "To a one there is a bunch of miss guided information being modeled to modern times, in
support of finding the differences of these faiths."
the problem, in my opinion, is that they are concerned with religion at all. To tie your point of view to ancient writings of zealots
and power brokers who use mythical beings that are of the imaginary supernatural realm is such a colossal waste of human
attention and effort.
imagine a world where none of this distraction exists. No hiding behind :it was God's will" for acts of atrocity. People would
have to face what they were. No excuses, no "I had to do it because that was written"
To think that we tip toe around because someone believes, with nothing real to show that it is true, that they have to mutilate
male and female genitalia to satisfy some nutbar religious standard. That a person must carry a dagger strapped to their leg to
honour God. That a person will be granted some number of virgins if they only die a martyr. What did the virgins do to deserve
this? Did they get a choice as to participate in this. And the legend of martyrdom is now expanded to include the family of the
martyr. Yes, now the whole family is guaranteed a free ticket to paradise. I suspect that there is a ticket scalper there somewhere
with forged, and phoney tickets.
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That is my rant for today, and perhaps this month. I tire of it so. It seems all so futile.
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Doc , it seems that you like bananas more than cucumbers eventhough they might have the same effect , in any case this
abnormal behaviour is not restricted to Muslim men or women, it is expanding thanks to priests behaviour in children schools . I
would like to stop at this point without discussing it any further so i might not be considered as interfering in subjects that are not
of my business.
Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends and you restrict it to some odd behaviour from certain men. Lets make them
wives and mistresses, this way everybody will keep his dignity.
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Doug , just a remark , we do not say " I had to do it because it was written " . This is a false statement , we accept what happened
to us because we feel it is written , we try our best to escape from a tragedy , we keep fighting cancer to the last breath , but when
" our hour comes " we accept it and say " it is written this way " . There is no escape from death , even if you hide in the biggest
towers , it will reach you either as a young man or a 100 years old sheikh and then you will say it is written.
You have to try to read and understand . Do not just take the sentences that you do not like and elaborate , you will get lost.
Muslims always say " La Elaha ella Allah " meaning in English ( and i hope i am not lost in translation ) " There is no god but
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Doug the statement about the Ancients may actually show of more value than you think, even in the stories of the Greeks and the
depictions of Titans or of any of the Demi Gods, lay stories of Morals which may in fact have been barrowed, by the Hebrew
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"Wives and prostitutes , the old story that never ends ..."
U know I was just writing the other day about men who cheat on their wives with prostitutes.
And it all comes down to societal guilt and embarrassment perpetuated by a puritan culture and reinforced by sex Sharia
enforcers, who quite literally are sex scolds.
Many men find it awkward, to say the least to ask for certain things from their wife or say certain things to her for fear they will
get back to the rest of the family: "he wanted you to do what!"
So they would rather be with an anonymous whore that will 'do it' or 'take it' in a way his wife never would.
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For example: I knew this Muslim whose father could not climax unless he shouted out 'U ph'king Bitch'. When he confessed this
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Our women and they are happy. ..w.ao what and why. ..!!?
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Prince killed Prince ......so what is bothering you !!!!!
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Prince killed Prince ......so what is bothering you !!!!!
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Bob, you seem to be listening to right wing hate groups. That is sad. The current state of the Middle East has more to do with
history. There is no inherent violence built into Islam. That is right wing propaganda. If you truly want an understanding of this,
consider Karen Armstrong's book, Islam. It will give you some real insights. Christianity probably has caused far more deaths
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Yes Ron , if there is corruption in one of the religions that we follow should we leave it or try to adjust it , as much as we can ?
The problem with Doc is that he is concentrating all his efforts on showing that there is corruption in SA because it is the capital
of the Islamic world, but we can find corruption also in the Vatican and in Jerusalem , does that make the religion itself corrupt?
There is no spiritual desire to kill. Thousands are being killed every day for their beliefs and you expect them to accept that
without defending themselves.Why?
If a cat or dog is killed in an accident on the highway the driver will be condemned but if Muslims are butchered in Mianmar
thats war against terrorism , and tomorrow, when they start defending their honour they will be called terrorists as well. Why?
There is Doc playing his dice on the fact of proving that there is a corrupt sexual behaviour in Islam, so what else is new ? Who
invented and marketed Porn movies and magazines ? Who openned the Cabarets and night clubs and marketed them as being the
modern world new look? And then you accuse Islam of being corrupt because there are people who are eccentric or anomalous.
Why?
San Fransisco is most famous for its gay bars and night clubs. Gays demonstrate claiming equality with normal human beings.
You did not critisise their behaviour. Why?
On the contrary i suppose you back up this kind of democratic revolts because the freedom of expression still exists but you deny
the right of children that are being killed for their beliefs to live in peace just because they dont follow your commendments.
Why?
Too many questions,the Muslims were blamed when they started defending themselves.
The human rights watch is only watching as if those who are getting killed are not humans. Why?
There is hatred, humans invented this hatred for economical purpouses (Crusades) then came the petrol and more hatred was
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implemented.Religion was never the case,it was all man made.
We, all of us ,me included , should try to read religion with affection , try to understand the reasons and not make a debate on
who is the best.The discussions started more than 1400 years ago and before that prophets were either killed or tortured but never
did abandon ship , there must be a reason. The message is the same in all three Abrahamic religions,men started forging these
messages and knitting them to their own size. I cant imagine that the richest government on earth , the Vatican , cant help the
poor unless they turn to christianity, i cant believe that the richest country on earth , SA , cant shelter poor Muslims because there
is fear for the throne. These are not religions.They only use it to safeguard whats left of their perishable regimes.
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Nasser and Ron, nice way to address the issue of propaganda today.
On any side of the Hebrew singularity there has been many untruths passed by the opposing leg. I have done a bunch of research
into this for myself, even the historical accounts are very very laced with the propaganda.
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However when or if we can get passed these things there is so many things that need to be discussed. Each of these three
religions were born out of either plight, or repressions of a group of people. Each have been rewritten multiple times almost to
the point of loosing the value of the parables or lessons, that is to the point that it is almost easier to chased down the original or
pre singularity versions.
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Eisa, around 8% of any population is gay and sexually conflicted. You can suppress this, but never the less, groups are gender
conflicted. We can torture them or accept reality.
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Ok I am a bit off but alas I am a poet.....
Of the stillness Marcus Aurelius, where is the stillness.
To a delight has one so wondered, in the stillness of the night, the staining of my character of which I fight, to move is of itself a
selfishness of acts.
Of what principles can be rationally held true, a harmonious human perversion of nature is man.
Of my mind thereby the universe does mans pride offer the only congruent nature of such as a man, The capacity of his belief to
play god, fear not the death he plays of.
Of the stillness O Marcus Aurelius where is the tranquil in conscience.
Deeds of piety, repentance, self-discipline, and of prayer,
Ye Alexandrian critics of fear, Aristarchus was your marks not clear.
What notion is a brotherhood of man, his communal solidarity is in annihilations of man, for when others do break, passionately
whipping higher than the low of level in the herd,
Hannah Arendt, to what salt did the wound not take in duties of such a state.
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for man bleeds through his own history,
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"Gays demonstrate claiming equality with normal human beings."
Good Afternoon Mr Bigot!
The fact remains: more gay behavior in SA than can be explained NORMALLY... men wearing dresses... lifting those dresses
wordlessly to have sodomy. Never even introducing themselves... unspoken butt sex. That is Saudi Arabia today: government
sanctioned homophobia. If U R queer in SA you could receive the death penalty.
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I submit that there is a difference between the spiritual teachings upon which a religion is founded and the application of those
teachings by members of that religion. I further submit that both Jesus and Mohammed would face opposition--even to the level
of violence--by members of the religion upon which their lives and teachings are based.
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If I understand Islamic history, violence entered when factions disagreed who would be leaders of Islam: the first four caliphs or
the descendants of the fourth calif. That violence is still playing out violently in Iraq and Syria.
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A few years back author Salman Rushdie had to go into hiding because a bounty was put out on his life because of words that he
wrote and published. In a shopping mall in Nairobi Nigeria innocent shoppers were asked if they could quote a verse in the
Koran. If they could not, they were shot. At least that is how it was reported. Elsa. Am I citing propaganda or facts? If there is
distortion, I think group, other than DOC, would like to hear the other point of view.
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One last comment on the topic of "Islamic Philosophy." This is, after all, the topic of this posting. The source of truth within
religion has always been revelation. Islam exemplifies this since the Koran is reported to have been dictated to Mohammed by
Allah. This source of truth is, I submit, central to Islamic Philosophy. This is contrasted with the source of truth developed in
Western thought after Christianity's (Catholic version) original rejection of Galileo's science. That source of is an interplay
between observation and reason. I would submit that reason is a more reliable source of morality that revelation. Why? Because
revelation cannot be verified or contested. So. Is Elsa, is Islamic Philosophy open questioning the revelation reported by
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Lee, in the first several hundred years it appears that Islam was successful in linking the tribes together to stop fighting among
themselves. Christianity and Roman Law brought Europe together (depending your point of view). Islam had the break between
Shiite and Sunnis. The two biggest impacts on the Middle East were the Mongol hordes who destroyed everything. After that
along came the Ottoman Turks who held the Arabs in isolation for 500 or years. WWI changed some things, the Ottoman Empire
fell apart, national borders were created (regardless of tribal association), the Europeans colonized, they left and then
dictatorships came into place. Assad is one of the few remaining dictators. As you know, a change to some form of democracy
can take many years as we learned in Latin America. I agree, Syria is a mess of Sunnis, Shiites, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah.
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I agree that hierarchy and dogma follow the formation of religion and the original intent of a religion is often lost.
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Here is a great counter to our Western perspective regarding the 1,400 year war between Shiite and Sunni factions of
Islam. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/profile/murtaza-hussain.htmlA word of thanks to Murtzara Hussain and
Aljazeera. The point the author is making is out that the violence carried out by the two factions is not inherent in Islam, but is
instead has it's roots in political differences. Notice, however, he is not denying that the killing IS taking place.What that means
is that the God of Islam, like the God of Christianity, is powerless when it comes to instilling morality and the wisdom of nonviolence into the hearts and actions of their followers. If non-violence and the presence of the Divine were indeed the basic
tenents of the religion, then the temptation of greed and politics would have no sway. And would be heavily condemned by the
leaders of that religion.Ultimately. History has shown that God/Allah to be powerless when faced with the hatred within the
followers of God/Allah.So the question is this. Is it time for humanity, and reasoning people, to abandon the "truth by revelation"
and begin to adopt morality by reason. And does Islamic Philosophy have the courage to ask of Islam why Allah, like the God of
Christianity, has proven to be so powerless to prevent followers from setting off bombs in mosques and public squares?
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The Quoran was inspired or revealed to the illeterate Mohammed who asked his disciples or followers to write down those
revelations which in turn were gathered in one book named the Quoran by the khlifat Ossman.
Yes Lee both Christianity and Islam were opposed to the point of violence and even Judaism was rejected and followers chased
away from their mother land but all three religions survived and the message that was intended for humanity to follow , believing
in god , was delivered , by four main messengers , Abraham , Moses , Jesus and Mohammed along with other prophets.
We are witnessing today in Syria and Iraq what happened 1400 years ago after the death of prophet Mohammed. One fraction of
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the Muslims claiming that Ali should be the Khalifat while another one , after holding a consulting session as per Mohammed
instructions , voted for Abou Baker to be the khalifat. The interference from some outsiders added wood on fire and the split
started to grow. The story continues as Ron commented.
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Lee ABSOLUTELY!!!! Get away from dogma and emphasize goods works. All of us need reminding about helping others....get
rid of the dogma. I will decide for myself about gay marriage and birth control.
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truth by revelation" and begin to adopt morality by reason. And does Islamic Philosophy have the courage to ask of Islam why
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The Islamic Philosophy has no place for sensuality... that is why it hates women and gays so reverently i.e. backed by religion.
That is the basis of Sharia law-- sexual repression.
None of the homosexual activity that occurs in Saudi Arabia is based on words... one Muslim simply gets behind another and
raises his dress. Neither introduce themselves or say anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia
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Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people and stop them from entering the country
Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia and the UAE already outlaw homosexuality, but are toughening their controversial
stance
Kuwait's director of public health says 'gays will be barred'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449051/Gulf-states-introduce-medical-testing-travellers-detect-gay-people-stopentering-country.htmlhttp://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1gm4z1/i_am_a_gay_atheist_man_from_saudi_arabia_and_i/
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One last comment on the topic of "Islamic Philosophy." This is, after all, the topic of this posting. The source of truth within
religion has always been revelation. Islam exemplifies this since the Koran is reported to have been dictated to Mohammed by
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Allah. This source of truth is, I submit, central to Islamic Philosophy. This is contrasted with the source of truth developed in
Western thought after Christianity's (Catholic version) original rejection of Galileo's science. That source of is an interplay
between observation and reason. I would submit that reason is a more reliable source of morality that revelation. Why? Because
revelation cannot be verified or contested. So. Is Elsa, is Islamic Philosophy open questioning the revelation reported by
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Lee, in the first several hundred years it appears that Islam was successful in linking the tribes together to stop fighting among
themselves. Christianity and Roman Law brought Europe together (depending your point of view). Islam had the break between
Shiite and Sunnis. The two biggest impacts on the Middle East were the Mongol hordes who destroyed everything. After that
along came the Ottoman Turks who held the Arabs in isolation for 500 or years. WWI changed some things, the Ottoman Empire
fell apart, national borders were created (regardless of tribal association), the Europeans colonized, they left and then
dictatorships came into place. Assad is one of the few remaining dictators. As you know, a change to some form of democracy
can take many years as we learned in Latin America. I agree, Syria is a mess of Sunnis, Shiites, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah.
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I agree that hierarchy and dogma follow the formation of religion and the original intent of a religion is often lost.
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Here is a great counter to our Western perspective regarding the 1,400 year war between Shiite and Sunni factions of
Islam. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/profile/murtaza-hussain.htmlA word of thanks to Murtzara Hussain and
Aljazeera. The point the author is making is out that the violence carried out by the two factions is not inherent in Islam, but is
instead has it's roots in political differences. Notice, however, he is not denying that the killing IS taking place.What that means
is that the God of Islam, like the God of Christianity, is powerless when it comes to instilling morality and the wisdom of nonviolence into the hearts and actions of their followers. If non-violence and the presence of the Divine were indeed the basic
tenents of the religion, then the temptation of greed and politics would have no sway. And would be heavily condemned by the
leaders of that religion.Ultimately. History has shown that God/Allah to be powerless when faced with the hatred within the
followers of God/Allah.So the question is this. Is it time for humanity, and reasoning people, to abandon the "truth by revelation"
and begin to adopt morality by reason. And does Islamic Philosophy have the courage to ask of Islam why Allah, like the God of
Christianity, has proven to be so powerless to prevent followers from setting off bombs in mosques and public squares?
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The Quoran was inspired or revealed to the illeterate Mohammed who asked his disciples or followers to write down those
revelations which in turn were gathered in one book named the Quoran by the khlifat Ossman.
Yes Lee both Christianity and Islam were opposed to the point of violence and even Judaism was rejected and followers chased
away from their mother land but all three religions survived and the message that was intended for humanity to follow , believing
in god , was delivered , by four main messengers , Abraham , Moses , Jesus and Mohammed along with other prophets.
We are witnessing today in Syria and Iraq what happened 1400 years ago after the death of prophet Mohammed. One fraction of
the Muslims claiming that Ali should be the Khalifat while another one , after holding a consulting session as per Mohammed
instructions , voted for Abou Baker to be the khalifat. The interference from some outsiders added wood on fire and the split
started to grow. The story continues as Ron commented.
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Lee ABSOLUTELY!!!! Get away from dogma and emphasize goods works. All of us need reminding about helping others....get
rid of the dogma. I will decide for myself about gay marriage and birth control.
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truth by revelation" and begin to adopt morality by reason. And does Islamic Philosophy have the courage to ask of Islam why
Allah, like the God of Christianity, has proven to be so powerless to prevent followers from setting off bombs in mosques and
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The Islamic Philosophy has no place for sensuality... that is why it hates women and gays so reverently i.e. backed by religion.
That is the basis of Sharia law-- sexual repression.
None of the homosexual activity that occurs in Saudi Arabia is based on words... one Muslim simply gets behind another and
raises his dress. Neither introduce themselves or say anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia
Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people and stop them from entering the country
Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia and the UAE already outlaw homosexuality, but are toughening their controversial
stance
Kuwait's director of public health says 'gays will be barred'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449051/Gulf-states-introduce-medical-testing-travellers-detect-gay-people-stopentering-country.htmlhttp://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1gm4z1/i_am_a_gay_atheist_man_from_saudi_arabia_and_i/
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Sorry i think it should have been pregnant :)
Hilmar , the struggle for power existed long before Judaism , since the early days , two brothers ( i dont know if the names are
the same in English ) Kabil and Habil , one killed the other out of envy and looking for power , so what is new . The human
nature is not a peaceful one , the war of the roses lasted a 100 years and the hearts are still carrying the burden of this war in our
present days, in the freezer , of course.
Anyhow , difference of opinions was never a reason , there is a mystery behind every murder or killing and only time will reveal
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"... if her leg is appearing you will no longer focus , if her dress is
very tight on her you will keep blindly staring at her , these are some
reasons for the woman to remain decent"
The Bedouin has always treated their women like scum... I understand
that... why... because they could... out there in the desert... who would
know...
Let me tell U something... this happened years ago when I was teaching at
United States International University.
We had many Muslim students. One female student who was pregnant at the
time confided to me that her husband continued to give her a ritual
flogging even though she was pregnant.
I said "a ritual flogging" what is that... she said it was giving your wife
a regular beating so she would keep her place... but she didn't think he
should do it while she was pregnant.
" Just a hint : A man cant marry a woman without her concent ..."
DUH! Otherwise it's called rape.
"prior to marriage by putting a financial condition ( from $1.- up to 1
Billion he may accept or refuse )"
We have another word for it here: prostitution
"As to homosexuals , yes they are not approved in Islam"
More like murdered.
"Homosexuals...could be cured , as per scientific motions today."
U haven't been paying attention... there is no cure for homosexuality...
and even the fundamentalist Christians in this country have stopped trying.
There is no more "pray the gay away... or in the case of Saudi Arabia-prey the gay way.
I fact the latest science is that the brain is sexed at birth... it has to
do with the sexual dimorphic nucleus in the embryonic brain... google it:
SDN
"I , personally , have nothing against them but where will we go if only
50% of us become homosexuals, who are we going to make love to to have
children ?"
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People have felt the same way about oral sex. They say if you show a man
how to fellate himself and swallow his own semen, no one will want to grow
any food anymore and it will irrevocably change society. No more
farming... but cum to think of it... there's no farming in SA... the
question is: why hasn't it already happened?
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Honestly Doc , really , i was disgusted when reading your poem about oral sex.
Putting a term or condition prior to marriage to safeguard the woman's rights is called prostitution, HeHe. Taking half the man
fortune after divorce is angelic isnt it ?
You must either speak as a scientist or as a poet. When science is capable of allowing a 60 years old lady to give birth to an
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infant , nothing is impossible ( reminds of Napoleon ). What if , just what if in some years science is able to find this cure what
will your reaction be ?
You will go visit SA to locate some of your favorites,thats for sure.
Get pregnant and i will follow your logic. Thanks.
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Nasser, I agree with you that bloody power struggles are much older than Christendom and Islam.Thus, it is not surprising that
Christendom and Islam have been exposed to the grabbing of human powers. After the historic end of the alliance between
throne and altar, I believe that, in the west at least, there is a new chance of a renewal of those old religion without being grabbed
by power right away, after the alliance between throne and alter has collapsed there..
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Poem? What poem did I write about oral sex? Oral sex is only one way of extracting semen. I suppose in terms of food, it would
be like fast food!
What I was pointing out is science: homosexuality is a naturally occurring condition but cuz U won't talk about it u allow
unprotected butt sex to develop into unwanted poo babies.
The questions I raise about sex R scientific:
Is semen edible?
http://www.cookingwithcum.com/
Can it be used as a medicine?
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http://www.sementherapy.com/
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Yes Doc it can be used as a medicine , for face lifting , scientifically approved.
This is not my problem and couldnt care less . Spare me from this drama that you have with semen.
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@ Hilmar , it would be possible to separate politics from religion if the new Mollas retire which , for the time being , is not
obvious. The extremists have been financed and marketed by super powers to fight the old USSR but unfortunately for them (
and luckily for the CIA who found a job to do after the end of the cold war ) Those fractions turned against them especially the
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Nasser,
I am aware of the problem you write about. Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia is not a regime of Mollas and, hence, provides a certain
space for exploring a theological reconciliation between moderate Christendom and moderate Islam, as it has been called by the
Grand Sheikh of Al Azhar in Cairo whom I know personally. Four year ago, I have made there a speech on this behalf under the
title "Allah acbar. Seeking the Wide Consensus of those having trust in God".
The speech was directed to the International conference of WAAG under Rector Prof. Ahmad AL Tayeb, then chairmen of
WAAG and today's Grand Sheikh of AL Azhar, Cairo, Egypt. If you are interested, I can send you an edited version by email.
What I am searching for is an Islamic philosopher who is ready to work with me towards that consensus. It is implicit to the
meaning that is addressed by the term of having trust in God which, to my understanding, also means the Arabic word "islam". in
its literal sense.
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It is implicit to the meaning that is addressed by the term of having trust
in God which, to my understanding, also means the Arabic word "islam". in
its literal sense.
By Hilmar Lorenz
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I thought it meant surrender of women to men?
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Doc@" The Islamic Philosophy has no place for sensuality..."
Firstly Hello from Rome the ancient Egyptian colonial ...do you this truth ...it says be Italian
Now I am free for you
Secondly;
ISLAM IS THE Islam is the primary source of natural philosophy the WISDOM THINKING & CREATIVITY
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_philosophy
Ancient Greek philosophy arose in the 6th century BCE and continued through the Hellenistic period, at which point Ancient
Greece was incorporated in the Roman Empire. It dealt with a wide variety of subjects, including political philosophy, ethics,
metaphysics, ontology, logic, biology, rhetoric, and aesthetics.
Then the truth the ‫ تهذيب‬Islamic breeding , edification, perfection & reformation, reparation ‫إصالح‬
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philosophyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Islamic_philosophyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wi
ki/Islamic_philosophy#Kalamhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philosophy#Falsafahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philo
sophy#Later_Islamic_philosophy
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Sorry i think it should have been pregnant :)
Hilmar , the struggle for power existed long before Judaism , since the early days , two brothers ( i dont know if the names are
the same in English ) Kabil and Habil , one killed the other out of envy and looking for power , so what is new . The human
nature is not a peaceful one , the war of the roses lasted a 100 years and the hearts are still carrying the burden of this war in our
present days, in the freezer , of course.
Anyhow , difference of opinions was never a reason , there is a mystery behind every murder or killing and only time will reveal
the truth.
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"... if her leg is appearing you will no longer focus , if her dress is
very tight on her you will keep blindly staring at her , these are some
reasons for the woman to remain decent"
The Bedouin has always treated their women like scum... I understand
that... why... because they could... out there in the desert... who would
know...
Let me tell U something... this happened years ago when I was teaching at
United States International University.
We had many Muslim students. One female student who was pregnant at the
time confided to me that her husband continued to give her a ritual
flogging even though she was pregnant.
I said "a ritual flogging" what is that... she said it was giving your wife
a regular beating so she would keep her place... but she didn't think he
should do it while she was pregnant.
" Just a hint : A man cant marry a woman without her concent ..."
DUH! Otherwise it's called rape.
"prior to marriage by putting a financial condition ( from $1.- up to 1
Billion he may accept or refuse )"
We have another word for it here: prostitution
"As to homosexuals , yes they are not approved in Islam"
More like murdered.
"Homosexuals...could be cured , as per scientific motions today."
U haven't been paying attention... there is no cure for homosexuality...
and even the fundamentalist Christians in this country have stopped trying.
There is no more "pray the gay away... or in the case of Saudi Arabia-prey the gay way.
I fact the latest science is that the brain is sexed at birth... it has to
do with the sexual dimorphic nucleus in the embryonic brain... google it:
SDN
"I , personally , have nothing against them but where will we go if only
50% of us become homosexuals, who are we going to make love to to have
children ?"
People have felt the same way about oral sex. They say if you show a man
how to fellate himself and swallow his own semen, no one will want to grow
any food anymore and it will irrevocably change society. No more
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farming... but cum to think of it... there's no farming in SA... the
question is: why hasn't it already happened?
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Honestly Doc , really , i was disgusted when reading your poem about oral sex.
Putting a term or condition prior to marriage to safeguard the woman's rights is called prostitution, HeHe. Taking half the man
fortune after divorce is angelic isnt it ?
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You must either speak as a scientist or as a poet. When science is capable of allowing a 60 years old lady to give birth to an
infant , nothing is impossible ( reminds of Napoleon ). What if , just what if in some years science is able to find this cure what
will your reaction be ?
You will go visit SA to locate some of your favorites,thats for sure.
Get pregnant and i will follow your logic. Thanks.
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Nasser, I agree with you that bloody power struggles are much older than Christendom and Islam.Thus, it is not surprising that
Christendom and Islam have been exposed to the grabbing of human powers. After the historic end of the alliance between
throne and altar, I believe that, in the west at least, there is a new chance of a renewal of those old religion without being grabbed
by power right away, after the alliance between throne and alter has collapsed there..
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Poem? What poem did I write about oral sex? Oral sex is only one way of extracting semen. I suppose in terms of food, it would
be like fast food!
What I was pointing out is science: homosexuality is a naturally occurring condition but cuz U won't talk about it u allow
unprotected butt sex to develop into unwanted poo babies.
The questions I raise about sex R scientific:
Is semen edible?
http://www.cookingwithcum.com/
Can it be used as a medicine?
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http://www.sementherapy.com/
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Yes Doc it can be used as a medicine , for face lifting , scientifically approved.
This is not my problem and couldnt care less . Spare me from this drama that you have with semen.
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@ Hilmar , it would be possible to separate politics from religion if the new Mollas retire which , for the time being , is not
obvious. The extremists have been financed and marketed by super powers to fight the old USSR but unfortunately for them (
and luckily for the CIA who found a job to do after the end of the cold war ) Those fractions turned against them especially the
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Nasser,
I am aware of the problem you write about. Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia is not a regime of Mollas and, hence, provides a certain
space for exploring a theological reconciliation between moderate Christendom and moderate Islam, as it has been called by the
Grand Sheikh of Al Azhar in Cairo whom I know personally. Four year ago, I have made there a speech on this behalf under the
title "Allah acbar. Seeking the Wide Consensus of those having trust in God".
The speech was directed to the International conference of WAAG under Rector Prof. Ahmad AL Tayeb, then chairmen of
WAAG and today's Grand Sheikh of AL Azhar, Cairo, Egypt. If you are interested, I can send you an edited version by email.
What I am searching for is an Islamic philosopher who is ready to work with me towards that consensus. It is implicit to the
meaning that is addressed by the term of having trust in God which, to my understanding, also means the Arabic word "islam". in
its literal sense.
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It is implicit to the meaning that is addressed by the term of having trust
in God which, to my understanding, also means the Arabic word "islam". in
its literal sense.
By Hilmar Lorenz
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Firstly Hello from Rome the ancient Egyptian colonial ...do you this truth ...it says be Italian
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_philosophy
Ancient Greek philosophy arose in the 6th century BCE and continued through the Hellenistic period, at which point Ancient
Greece was incorporated in the Roman Empire. It dealt with a wide variety of subjects, including political philosophy, ethics,
metaphysics, ontology, logic, biology, rhetoric, and aesthetics.
Then the truth the ‫ تهذيب‬Islamic breeding , edification, perfection & reformation, reparation ‫إصالح‬
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philosophyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Islamic_philosophyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wi
ki/Islamic_philosophy#Kalamhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philosophy#Falsafahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_philo
sophy#Later_Islamic_philosophy
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Arabic was the first Language in the earth .................. can you disprove this truth ?!!!
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Women are lucky to surrender to men with their moral, ethical and Islamic universal laws
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Women are lucky to surrender to men with their moral, ethical and Islamic universal the natural laws the ideal in justice, equity
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Islamic breeding!
Yes that was what the radiation experiments were for in the book: Allah is
My Bitch: a story of a boy & his dog.
After the Muslims destroyed civilization as we knew it, a young boy and his
dog Allah face a bleak existence together. The boy helps feed Allah as all
the food is in cans and Allah helps the boy find women.
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Doc, to my mind, the surrender to God as the result of the most perfect trust in God being possible for humans (women and men)
has been been abused by paternalistic societies for controlling women. Instead, Islam and Christendom in the sense of their holy
scriptures have stressed the analogy between the surrender of women to men which, to my mind, also includes a surrender of
men to women and the surrender foe women and men to God. This is what individual trust can reach at its peak: surrender,
whether it is the mutual surrender in a sexual relationship bringing the fruit of a child or the surrender to God. Hence, to view
him as male is to be understood as an analogy of what trust can reach. I also interpret the talk about the virgin Mary in that sense.
To my mind, Matthew 1.18-25 deals with some irony with the prejudices of its age against women having extramarital
relationships. What matters is sexual relationships is not the convention that it has to take place in a marriage, but rather that it
takes place with a virginal heart. With this insight, as I believe, men can identify as much as women. In its literal and figurative
senses, the pregnancy following a virginal intercourse may even bring to birth the Jesus in our hearts.
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Eisa,
since the Middle Ages, Christendom and Islam have neglected the role of the Platonic Socrates in the emergence of Monotheism.
In Plato's "Republic", Socrates has distinguished true myths from false myths. He had two criteria of true myths: 1. God is told
about as one and the same who does not change his shape and number, as it is the case in polytheistic myths. 2. God is told to be
the origin only of the good and never of evil, while, in polytheistic myths, the god or gods are told of to be the origin of the good
and of evil. The Jewish Hellenist and converted Christian Apostle Paul has synthesized these two criteria into a third one of the
faithfulness of God. From Paul,this criterion has entered the foundations of Judaism, Christendom and Islam. The three religions
are based on the trust in God's faithfulness, while the interpretations of in which his faithfulness exists are different in Judaism,
Christendom and Islam.Thus, i see in them different illustrations of what makes up God's faithfulness.
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I hate to blow away your great bearded legend Hilmar but apparently it was Rome who wrote the New Testament
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Eisa, in the West, the man is no longer head of the house, and all too often it comes down to a family vote and my kids often
voted with their mother. It is total chaos but somehow my kids turned out just fine.
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Doc, I am still blown away by that on the new Testament, but it makes perfect sense. For years people have wondered who wrote
the new Testament. It was not some semi-literates in the Jerusalem area. By doing that Rome got back at the Jewish zealots from
the Jerusalem area...not only that, they got back at the Jews for 2000 years. Amazing. Bernie Maddoff was nothing compared to
these guys.
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I can disapprove or at least really question the truth of your statement. Scientists believe the first language was the clicking
language from Africa and that occurred about 50 thousand years ago. We have a good idea when the humans were created. It was
generally over the last 6 million years. It started with chimps entering the open area, then becoming bipeds, and then developing
longer legs for distance running (about 2 million years ago) and in the last 1 million years developing a larger brain. There is
absolutely no scientific evidence for the Garden of Eden....zero. If you want to believe about Adam then go ahead, it is a free
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Arabic was the first Language in the earth .................. can you disprove this truth ?!!!
it impossible since you don'y know when human created ...you don't know...don;t accept "Adam" the Truth
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Arabic was the first Language in the earth .................. can you disprove this truth ?!!!
I know ... huh! This is what makes me treat discussions with Eisa as jokes.
I know he is not a scholar as he will not even check out Laura's link on Cesar's Messiah.
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He may not be able to understand it as it is in English... Lost in Translation
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I love the Noah's Ark story. I might not be smart enough to understand how he got all those animals on the boat and how they
didn't eat each other during the 40 days and 40 nights. Do we know why God decided to nuke all the humans? I don't know,
doesn't this sorta make God look like Stalin. Stalin never killed the entire human population...not that I like Stalin!!!! Then the
whole apple thing in the Garden of Eden, Doc, don't want to be judgmental but shouldn't we have had some therapy here?
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The great flood came about cuz the angels started to ... uh... marry the
earth women and give them chiluns and these chiluns were evil and so God
just had enough and wasted them
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Doc, I am glad you clarified that, because otherwise I would have thought God was somewhat capricious about killing people. At
least that gives us some logic. I appreciate that. Please help me out on the talking snake in the Garden of Eden...does the species
still exist? Doc, you and I seem to be the only people on this site who take this material seriously, well and Ken and Peter W. and
Pal and Luca and Laura and of course Vincent, our resident theologian and paleontologist.
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I always took the whole Garden of Evil scene as one in which the snake is Adams wiener... he pumps his cum into her snatch.
Eve gets pregnant and God forces her to leave paradise.
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Ron@" Eisa, in the West, the man is no longer head of the house,"
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Good Ron I Know that .....It is your problem\business but in our nation and tradition still and will remain for ever man is the head
and leader .....Woman if the close the lovely mother, wife, sister and daughter ,
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God give Holy Teachings we have the choice in social to choose what we like as best
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Doc, your statement that the NT was collected by Rome is simplistic to the degree that it is erroneous. For only one of the three
promoters of that collection of writings was from Rome, namely Tertulian. The two others, Hyppolyt and Ireneus worked
elsewhere in the Roman Empire. Furthermore, this collection emerged in the middle of the second century after Christ and an
answer to a collection that, besides the letters of Paul, only knew the Gospel and the Acts of Luke. At that time, the cadre
organization started to emerge that has survived the persecutions of Christians by the Roman emperors and that more then 200
years later, when the Roman Emperors had become Christians,became Rome in the sense that it became the Roman Catholic
Church that slowly separated from the Greek orthodox church with its patriarchates in the eastern Half of the Roman Empire.
Thus, it is you who prepares a legend by presenting the NT as a creation of Rome.
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Thank you very much for the documentation on which you base your legend. As it comes out at its end, it is despite the
typologies they have established, its authors are not able to explain how the the message of peace of the mythology having
formed around Jesus and having been called gospel can serve any propaganda of a political regime like the one of the Flavians. It
is true that the writings of the NT can be traced back to the age of the Flavian Emperors, as the parallels between Josephus and
the gospels are striking. But it does not explain why, under the alliance between throne and altar, e.g. the Roman Catholic Church
has discouraged the mythological interpretation and encouraged a fundamentalist one, Evidently, that mythology itself makes
explode all political concepts of dominance. This becomes clear, if we study Paul's letters. In alluding to Plato's oeuvre, they
explain the philosophy of that mythology. This is missing in the entire documentation you have sent.
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God created man in his own image. Amaizingly, as per atheists testimonies built on man's theory , it took him 6 million years to
evolve from a chimp into a long legged human , still the human kind is still searching for proof and evidence about Adam and
Eve , Evil and Noah's arch.
The old proverb " history repeats itself " is being arrogantly proven now , with a bunch of people who consider themselves highly
above the man kind thinking because they are detectives , proof and evidence , as the ancients did with Abraham and Moses .
They asked the prophets for proof and when it was presented they asked for more and when the more was sent they were not
convinced, so the Noah's arch was built to replace human beings behaviour but once a human always a human . Full of doubts ,
scared of believing in god , searching for an exit through insubordination , stating that if there is a god then there will be no
suffering or misery but they always forget that they are under constant monitoring from the evil who live with them , in their
souls and bodies , the only power to relief them is their faith , their belief and not pretending ignorance to run away from the
truth.
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Intelligent are dogs and loyal , more than some ignorant who cant find a difference between his dick and a been. He must be so
dramatically funny that he doesnt differ between rain and something else . He is like the one they spit on his face and he answers
: " Oh it is raining ".
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Hilmar , i am sorry , i am not a philosopher but i will try to find someone who could be interested in the subject and willing to
assisst.
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"Intelligent are dogs and loyal , more than some ignorant who cant find a
difference between his dick and a been." ????????????????
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Don't write dog, please, it is a trigger to me to start writing about
Allah, the female dog. U know she was female cuz she was wearing a
Bark-ah.
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HaHaHaHa
Provoque them , threaten them , play the bully with them and then leave them on the pavement waiting for some suicide bomber
to save them. HaHaHa you are truly a buf and you make me laugh.
Patronising is successful in politics but a complete failure in science , go ask your superiors , kid. You can play ball in your back
yard but do not think your strategy will lead you anywhere with me.
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I have no strategy with you nasser... but I love pulling your leg... off.
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HaHaHaHa.
You know something Doc , people like you who base their intellect on insults are nothing but pure fraud , pretenders who are still
investigating reality , if it does exist or not.
Never believe what you hear , believe half of what you see , as for you it is never believe what you hear or see. Stay blind as
much as you wish, you will be surprised when you open them once the truth is revealed.
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How did I insult you?
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Elisa, according to my understanding, monotheism and ancient Greek philosophy have emerged at the same time. According to
Plato, Socrates was a monotheist and originally has coined. the term of trust (pistis), which the Jewish Hellenist and converted
Christian Apostle Paul has picked up, in order to coin what, through its translation into Latin, as been called faith. In being a
matter of trust, faith has been an answer to skepticism since the Platonic Socrates. Insofar, monotheistic theologies have
developed as different Platonic philosophical schools. And it has been only since the 19th century that philosophy.and Wester
Christian theologies separated into different university faculties. Thus, I disagree with most of my Western Christian theological
colleagues on that point.If there has been a separation within the Greek tradition, it has been the one between philosophers and
sophists. Thus, I interpret Paul's distinction between human and divine wisdom as his way of siding with philosophers against
sophists. To my mind, the difference between the two in dealing with wisdom has been that the philosophers have leda life of
foolishly loving wisdom, while the sophists has disposed on wisdom through selling it as theoretical recipes for all sorts of
purposes. Philosophers have opposed Sophism, because, through their manners of disposing on wisdom, the love of wisdom has
disappeared and, thereby, the beloved wisdom itself. As the environmental crisis of today shows it, particularly successful
theories have side effects that are not only not known within their thought framework, but, furthermore, may destroy human
civilization.Apparently, the so called philosophy being taught in Western universities is sophism rather than philosophy in its
ancient sense with which Paul had sided, while,since the 19th century Christian theology has developed into a sort of . historic
sophism being called Historic Theology. For it theorizes on.the history of Christendom including on the history of its Bible,
instead of philosophizing on it from the love of its wisdom.
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Nasser,
thank you for your positive response to my proposal about working out with Islamic theologians a consensus on what havng trust
in God ("islam') means to those having trust in God, which is the common ground of true Jews, Christians and Muslims. So I am
waiting for that you tell me the name(s) of one (or more) Islamic theologians, so that we can give this task, at least, a try.
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Christian Apostle Paul-- fictional character in a Roman serial novel.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2KONcLKQU&feature=youtu.be#!
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2KONcLKQU&feature=youtu.be#!>
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Sure Hilmar. As i understand it Islam is the total submission to god's methods and rituals.
Islam , in Arabic , contains a lot of meaning. We can identify salam ( peace ), Islam is a word meaning surrender ( the initial
word is istislam ) your soul to god, but i prefer that the clear meaning to be done by a man of knowledge or thologian.
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Doc , it doesnt have to be a personal insult . Filthy words could be thrown by any person in general terms but targeting a subject
or faith or belief, this is not just an insult , it is pure denial on the 'others' existence and the presence of 'aliens'.
Anyhow you are free to think or write whatever you want , it is your choice.
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So U admit I never insulted U personally... I just mocked your religion...
uh... yes... U get to do that in this country. In fact you get to say to
millions of people that a major television evangelist got his mother drink
so he could have sex with her in the family outhouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell
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Here's why:
THIS IS AMERICA! THIS IS MAIN STREET USA! This is what makes America
great... what makes it that shining city on a hill: Freedom of Speech! This
is a market place for sure with all the promotions posing as discussions
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But LinkedIn also represents a market place of ideas. Ideas can come from
anywhere, even from humor... especially from humor as Mark Twain believed.
And that is why it is so important to continue to fight for the freedom
that at least some of the Forums espouse.
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Yes the censors and the theocrats will always try and limit free expression
but by upholding the rigorous idea of keeping speech (or in this case
writing) free we are upholding what America has become... a bastion of free
thought.
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Thank you for the you tube Doc. I like science fiction , and those doctors with strange hair styles ( meaning they are thinkers ).
Anyhow Jesus existed , it was proven , i believe in his existence as much as i dont believe you.
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First i did not admit anything , it is your own conclusion and you are free to conclude whatever you want.
Second , without any strategy you prepare the trap and then close it to prove, once again , that you are the great thinker , writer ,
intellectual that you see in the mirror . Ok , go ahead continue.
Please keep America out of your filthy speech just to use the freedom of speech you are allowed to. I can go to the Hyde Park in
London or any newspaper in Lebanon and exerce the same dialogue i am having now . But you will not . Because you will have
to fake decency , A Doc , intellectual , writer , atheist etc... insulting Jesus , Islam and i dont know if Judaism will be included.It
is not a matter of freedom of speech , it is rather a matter of ethics , moral , manners and decency.
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So you are not gay , but with Hustler case you are proving to me that you are a sex manyac
It is all related to sex for you , if you can take one step further you may come out of this sexual closet you are living in.
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Yes-- all related to sex-- cuz I'm a Freudian-- I don't know if that means
anything to you but we believe that sex is a perfectly natural drive and
that if the worlds population had good orgasmic sex we would not be in the
state we are in today-- constant violence-- due to religion and the
suppression of the sex drive it brings with it... all religion.
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Modern Religion attempts to prohibit the sex drive as much as possible as
orgasmic sexuality is the door to spirituality... just as Sufism is also a
conduit to the spiritual.
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I am always pleased to see my dear Arab & Muslim friend and colleague,
scholar, philosopher, and poet, Dr. Amadahamamadaman.
As we prepared to go out for a night of drinking and whoring he shared yet
another Islamic insight with me.
He said: my fiend I have given you many understanding of Islam: explained
our interest in pedophilia and discussed the Muslim orgasm now I must share
with you why it is better that no image of Allah or Mohammad be displayed.
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Today a man was admitted to prison with the face of the Baby Jesus tattooed
to his buttocks, thinking it would protect him from prison sodomy. But
most sodomy takes place with the light off.
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Doc, The latest news - True, some women in Saudi Arabia protested by driving cars. Not sure how many women but it made the
worldwide news. Doc, this is out of control...I married someone from South America thinking that she would appreciate the male
as head of household, but she sided with the kids and it was constant mutiny. Vincent is right, western decadence is
unbelievable...my part of the decadence is worse than most. I tried to establish English as the official language of the
household...I should have married someone from Saudi Arabia....at least my car insurance would be cheaper. Sorry to cry on your
shoulder.
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Ron I became aware of how much an Islamic male is threatened by his wife when a Muslim wife shared with me the story of her
ritual beating. This beating is ritualized so that a woman will continue to know he place... on the floor... but she didn't think it
should occur while she was pregnant.
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You are right. ....and it is the aim of this thread with my other threads including UH philosophy to unite all humanities in One
Religion of all Holy Prophets as it is originally the truth
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My original major question ....:
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What is the mission of all Holy Prophets ?
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Doc, true story, I had a women who I believe was Islamic, who worked for me in the Silicon Valley. She was very dependent and
when I ask her to start making decisions, they were terrible. The company shut down in the later 90s. It would have been a tough
decision but she was so unaccustomed to making decisions that she was a bit like the child. It would have been a tough decision
what to do with her in the future. A real ethical challenge.
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Ron... do I really have to give you lessons on what to do with a
woman-child? LOL... U become a Muslim!
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Eisa,, Doc is a prophet. He gives me tips on the stock market. I assume he is a holy prophet and as opposed to the unholy kinds,
but if he can move us the next level of the stronger of the fitter, then great. Ken may be hopeless because everyone knows he has
a weird relationship with his 3 legged moose so God may punish him, unless of course God has a thing for moose(s)...mises. I
really can't tell who is going to hell. It is possible that God is a fan of creationism, which means Doc, Ken and I will go to hell.
On the other hand, suppose God is a Jesuit paleontologist, then Ken Doc and I will be instructing people how to play the
harp....that may be worse than hell.
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Doc, no problem with becoming a women child. I have often mentioned that I was surrounded by strong females who rarely let
me get a word in edgewise. Even my son often voted against me. I lost control a long time ago, but now I can blame my wife for
how the kids turned out....which actually was quite good. My wife learned to drive and became more like a German dominatrix.
Sad story. I need my meds.
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woman-child? LOL... U become a Muslim!
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I too was 'married' at one time to a Latino. she also strong woman too who
ride on back of motorcycle... she nurse practitioner and tell me about Gay
men who cum into ER and have things stuck in rectum... most hard thing to
get out-- quick drying cement-- must be removed with miniature jack hammer!
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Eisa Johali, the very statement that "Women are lucky to surrender to men with their moral, ethical and Islamic universal laws"
illustrates that there is a huge flaw in your philosophy. You cannot speak for women because you are not a woman. Secondly, the
laws of Islam, and the religion is not Universal. It is not even planet wide. That means that any such claim is hyperbole, Lastly,
claiming to speak for a supernatural being is in itself suspect. Can you prove that you do? Can you prove that any prophet does? I
think not.
It is written to shun false profits. How do you tell the real one from the false one? You must accept what they say on faith. So
there is no valid test, other than other people's opinions.
I hold that there is no god, no valid religion, and that it is up to humanity to be the best that we can. To care for each other, and
this planet. We have no other planet. We have only this life. Take care of it. Don't waste it on things like blowing yourself, and
other innocents up for an ideal. It is a waste of humanity, and explosives.
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general. To perform any atrocity in the name of a religion or god is immoral.
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Doc, I certainly can imagine the Paul of Acts as fictional character of a Roman serial novel, if there were not the letters of Paul or
whoever may have been their author.These letters contain philosophical dialectics that goes far beyond what can be discussed in
novels.
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Nasser, my point is that total submission to God is a matter of total trust in God, rather than humans. To my mind, the Christian
church father Augustine has expressed this matter of total trust in the following prayer: "Lord, you have created us towards you.
And our heart is restless, until it rests in you." For, then, we shall have peace (salam).
But what are God's methods and rituals? Having total trust in God frees me to be suspicious towards what human authorities tell
me about it. Thus, basically, it is my heart full of trust in God that tells me, whether or not what human authorities tell me about
God's methods and rituals are God's methods and rituals.These human authorities may be Christian or Islamic traditions that have
been taught to me as those speaking to me in the name of God. My life experience with Christian churches has confirmed me
about that the conscience of my heart towards God is the judge on whether traditions really speak to me in the name of God.
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Eisa, I am happy about your consent, Then, let us start to work on it.
For now, I do not seen that, e.g., my church or any other organized church is ready to organize the reconciliation between
Christendom and Islam. Hence, I search for Muslim theologians who are privately ready to do the preparatory work in discussing
with me, e.g., the ancient Christian creeds according to their wording. For, until today, they have been the major obstacle for
reconciliation, since they have been abused by the Christian alliance between throne and alter starting prior to Mohamed. Now,
that alliance is over. And, if in the office of the pope, the Roman Catholic Church tries to preserve a rest of that alliance, this is
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her problem, not mine, since I am a Lutheran theologian.
I believe that, if Christian and Islamic theologians present a privately written and signed paper of. reconciliation to the
international media public, this wold have consequences for all official Christian and Islamic institutions. For they would be
necessitated by the media to declare publicly whether or not the agree with this paper and, furthermore, to publish the reasons for
their declaration.
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Eisa, your original major question could be the title of the paper of reconciliation between Christian and Islamic theology that I
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Good effort
Qs:
1) Does Paul a Jew or a Christian - Greek or Roman ??
2) What do you know by Apostle ? If God messenger Jesus and Mohammed were the last two Prophets and Messengers..Three is
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Of this I have questions I must make, Alas my fear is should I will be showered in hate.
So I shall ask questions and leave the judgment behind.
The treatment of women in all of history was changed with the development of shame.
If I were to chase down the lessons of good, there would I find many it is understood, unless my mind is twisted and bent. Alas it
that this has only started with the Hebrew deity, I know that sounds a bit piety, again but it is true.
Before this deity women were of equal to the value.
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@ Hilmar " The conscience of my heart towards god is the judge on wether traditions really speak to me in the name of god ".
Follow your heart , use your logic. Nothing else will guide you towards the truth.
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I like this conversation between Ron and Doc , please entertain us gentlemen , or should i say sadomen , dont know but it will
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Doug , the first and last parts of your comment should be discussed , maybe later , but i liked your logic in describing humanity.
Religion is being abused , not by atheists or non believers but from the clergy itself in each and every sect. They are using
religion for their own goals and objectives , disgracing it from its purity.
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'Captain gadget' is the name for those always looking for proves that there is a god.But what if there was one? What will you do
then ? It will be too late. My proof on the existence of god is of scientific nature but i know that you will find some argument
about it by additionaly asking for evidence (Moses). In the Quoran there is a description , detailed one , on how the baby is
formed in his mother's womb. From being a sperm until bones are covered with flesh. Science . today , has confirmed what the
Quoran stated 1400 years ago.The Quoran stated the merger of two seas , the soft and salty , that exists in Bahrain.
The Quoran specifically mentions all the previous prophets that came before Mohammed, from the first Adam until Jesus. I dont
think this illeterate who dictated the revelations of the Quoran sudied history at Harvard but he was well aware of their stories
and prophecies,which means that all religions are related and come from a single source , it is the human being , back to your
thoughts , who abused and forged the religions and made you hesitant to believe in something that you do not see or prove that
exists.
I remember some guys wanting a proof of substance , material , something they could feel it can prove their existence , just like
the Pharao who thought of himself as being the god and did not appreciate the message until he was drown into the Nile
and,lucky for him,he was saved (by the one who drowned him) to finaly believe.
Should we all pass through the same experience to believe that there is a god?
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- Islam is a universal there is no boubt .. With One absolute evidence "It is the mission of all Holy Prophets to worship God the
Only One God "
Is there a similar religion with this universal mission .... ?!
Regarding women they are lucky to be Muslim by which they can meet and maintain basic needs from birth tel self atunony,
esteem to self actualisation. They have their own lives abd freedom
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Now the majority of world womens are under abuse directly or indirectly. ...just search how many womens now have heavy duty
with children without fathers. ..how they live ?!!!!!
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Again the Islam in my philosophy is the original religion of all all Holy Prophets ....not ours or Muhammad (PBUH) alone .....all
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My statement "women lucky to surrender to men" is just reaction to other oppose comment..it is not a part of Islam teaching. ..
philosophy of women in Islam is equal to man in every aspect according to their natural physical and social characters and
abilities. ..if a woman is able to work in harder work mire than man...why not he has the choice. ....women have specific duties
...of if these duties men can never do ...never
All man and wman have ro respect each other. ..be honest. ..be equal. ..be justice. ..be humanity ...man should not hurt woman
and woman should not hurt or abuse a man as child. ..adult and later ages more
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Not only Muslim women. ....
Even the non Muslim women can't decide independently .....there are many examples in Western and Eastern
All men and women have sharing dependent and independent. ....
In many duties man have to depend on a women and the oppose is truth
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If you like to talk about women problems in Muslims and non Muslims nations ...why not with logic reality ...not just looking for
Muslim women. ...all womens and childrens plus old ages have huge problems...in Islamic nations are less than others
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Doc Doc Doc that Muslim Arab friend's name that you mention every time does not exist but i have a good idea what you are
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Eisa.."If you like to talk about women problems in Muslims and non Muslims nations ...why not with logic reality ...not just
looking for Muslim women. ...all womens and childrens plus old ages have huge problems...in Islamic nations are less than
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Not really true my friend..in the west women have been given equality in many more forms.
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Yes I do have a friend and Arab Muslim Colleague but I cannot reveal his name as his head might be chopped off.
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Nasser..He probably does...& he probably lives in Texas...where everyone packs a gun & Arabs are favorite targets,,,,next to
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1) Paul was a Hellenistic Jew who was educated in Judaism, as well as in the Platonic oeuvre, the "bible" of the educated
Hellenism of his age, before he converted to Christendom.. Then, he pleaded in favor of that non-Jewish Christians did not have
to be submitted to circumcision. According to Acts, Paul also was a Roman citizen, so that he was tried in Rome and not in
Palestine. Acts is one of the scriptures of the Christian New Testament
2) Apostle comes from Greek and means being sent. The English term "missionary" has been derived from the Latin term for
"apostle." According to Acts, the 12 disciples of Jesus were called the Apostles, or missionaries, in order to spread Christendom.
As a latecomer, Paul has been only reluctantly called apostle, after his missionary work, as we have been told in Acts, had
exceeded the missionary work of the original 12 Apostles by far.The apostles have not been called prophets, but were meant to
be the missionaries of the gospel of Christ. According to the gospels, only Christ had been called a prophet prior to that, e.g.,
Peter professed his trust in Jesus to be the son of God. The Greek term of a prophet literally means somebody who predicts
something of the future. According to Paul and the Gospels, the predictions of the Jewish prophets have been fulfilled by the
suffering and death of Christ. Hence, there is no idea of that, e.g. the Apostles, or others like Mohamed could be prophets,
because prophecies contain God's promises that have been fulfilled by Christ. If I have understood it well, the Koran has focused
on the prophets as messengers of God independently of the concepts of promise and fulfillment. In this sense, it can be discussed,
whether only Jesus, but also Peter, Paul and others were prophets.
3) There is no christian testimony that Paul was a priest.
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My statement "women lucky to surrender to men" is just reaction to other oppose comment..it is not a part of Islam teaching. ..
philosophy of women in Islam is equal to man in every aspect according to their natural physical and social characters and
abilities. ..if a woman is able to work in harder work mire than man...why not he has the choice. ....women have specific duties
...of if these duties men can never do ...never
All man and wman have ro respect each other. ..be honest. ..be equal. ..be justice. ..be humanity ...man should not hurt woman
and woman should not hurt or abuse a man as child. ..adult and later ages more
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Not only Muslim women. ....
Even the non Muslim women can't decide independently .....there are many examples in Western and Eastern
All men and women have sharing dependent and independent. ....
In many duties man have to depend on a women and the oppose is truth
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1) Paul was a Hellenistic Jew who was educated in Judaism, as well as in the Platonic oeuvre, the "bible" of the educated
Hellenism of his age, before he converted to Christendom.. Then, he pleaded in favor of that non-Jewish Christians did not have
to be submitted to circumcision. According to Acts, Paul also was a Roman citizen, so that he was tried in Rome and not in
Palestine. Acts is one of the scriptures of the Christian New Testament
2) Apostle comes from Greek and means being sent. The English term "missionary" has been derived from the Latin term for
"apostle." According to Acts, the 12 disciples of Jesus were called the Apostles, or missionaries, in order to spread Christendom.
As a latecomer, Paul has been only reluctantly called apostle, after his missionary work, as we have been told in Acts, had
exceeded the missionary work of the original 12 Apostles by far.The apostles have not been called prophets, but were meant to
be the missionaries of the gospel of Christ. According to the gospels, only Christ had been called a prophet prior to that, e.g.,
Peter professed his trust in Jesus to be the son of God. The Greek term of a prophet literally means somebody who predicts
something of the future. According to Paul and the Gospels, the predictions of the Jewish prophets have been fulfilled by the
suffering and death of Christ. Hence, there is no idea of that, e.g. the Apostles, or others like Mohamed could be prophets,
because prophecies contain God's promises that have been fulfilled by Christ. If I have understood it well, the Koran has focused
on the prophets as messengers of God independently of the concepts of promise and fulfillment. In this sense, it can be discussed,
whether only Jesus, but also Peter, Paul and others were prophets.
3) There is no christian testimony that Paul was a priest.
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Eisa, by talking about personal trust, I have tried to underline the essence of trust. To my mind,this essence consists in that all
sorts of things can be imposed on people, except of trust. Now, since faith in God is a matter of trust, humans cannot impose it on
others either.
They only thing that religious communities, or their human authorities, can do is to facilitate people in becoming aware of their
own trust in God. And the best way to do this is supporting them to formulate their own profession to their personal trust in God.
In this way, the human missions of religious communities can contribute to what essentially is God's mission, namely to convert
people to become conscious of their own trust in God and to profess to it.
Professions in this religious sense are first person judgments. As such they express the state of mind of those professing without
imposing this state of mind and its matter on others. instead, they are content with affecting the state of mind of others, thereby
leaving them free either to accept being turned on thereby nor to refuse it. For this is precisely what the first person judgments of
professions cannot do. The only one who can do this is God's own spirit. Hence, all mission essentially is God's mission. to
which humans only can contribute by leaving space to God's work.
Unfortunately, religious communities tend to impose their traditional faith doctrine on their members without respecting their
individual trust in God as a matter of their individual manner of having trust. And this means that they tend to abuse the
individual trust of their members, rather than that they facilitate this individual trust to unfold. And this conflicts with the
message of our common father Abraham. He had the reliable courage to follow God calling him directly, rather than what has
reached him through the mediation of his community. Thus, Abraham did not sty with it but followed God's call in a land that
God would show him only in the future. Accordingly, religious communities today are called by God to facilitate their members
in following God's immediate call to have trust in him, rather than the mediate call through human traditions and authorities.And
this is a mediate call from God, if and only if human traditions and authorities are used by religious communities for facilitating
people to hear their immediate call from God. This, however is a matter of their personal capacity of having trust, rather than of
any traditional faith doctrine.of religious communities.
Now, it is essential for my trust in God that it tries to affect others through searching with them for a consensus about trust in
general as the base of our existence and about trust in God in particular as the base of human existence. Hence, I understand, e.g.,
the ancient Christian creeds as facilitators for people to formulate their own professions to having trust in God, rather than as
faith doctrines, in order to replace those individual professions. The traditional Christian alliance between throne and altar, on the
contrary, has been abused through forcing individual people to accept the formulas of those creeds, which has disfigured them for
most people until today beyond recognition.
Since, now, all humans need this support for articulating their own professions to their trust in God, the trust in God is also a
public matter. For it is a matter of the common good of all humans to be supported to become aware of their personal trust in
general as the base of their existence and their personal trust in God in particular as the foundation of that base. Now, again, it is
the task of God's spirit rather than of any human authority to go beyond mere support and actually make people to have trust in
God as the source of their trust in life. In order to be precise, all of these third person judgments make sense only in the context
of the first person judgment of my profession to having trust in God.
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Yes Eisa..The roles of Man & Woman are blurred in the west. Well defined roles as you have would eliminate the difficulty
women have here in seeking happiness..but we cannot go back.
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Very good Kenneth
Actually in Islam the roles and the roads are clearly defined but humans mainly the extremist religious hide what they don't like
and keep what they like... It is the religion of all men and women with justice and equity. ..
In Islam originally there is only Islam for all with minimum and maximum peaceful bases for everything and everyone.
The minimum is the " Five Pillars" also with peaceful minimum and maximum, the minimum just to accept existing of God the
Only God with accepting Prophet Mohammed and all Prophets + Pray five times a day and Fasting Ramadan .......plus Hajj and
Chirity if you able to do...This is the Basic of Philosophy of Islam...all of these with the last two have huge benefits for humanity
and mainly for the poor.....
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Regarding women and men roles and duties they are well defined with justice and equity for all. .. based on the nature and
natural characters of both.....also three are minimum and minimum the minimum is compulsory for all and the maximum with
totally agreed. .... soon I will clarify these roles and duties for both
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My statement "women lucky to surrender to men" is just reaction to other oppose comment..it is not a part of Islam teaching. ..
philosophy of women in Islam is equal to man in every aspect according to their natural physical and social characters and
abilities. ..if a woman is able to work in harder work mire than man...why not he has the choice. ....women have specific duties
...of if these duties men can never do ...never
All man and wman have ro respect each other. ..be honest. ..be equal. ..be justice. ..be humanity ...man should not hurt woman
and woman should not hurt or abuse a man as child. ..adult and later ages more
If any one, Muslim or non have different understanding.....he / she is wrong"
Nevertheless Eisa, you did say it. I am glad to see that you have changed your stance on this topic. It is unfortunate that many in
Islam have this opinion about the position and status of women.
It seems to me that there are many interpretations of the Quoran, and that there is no one person with the absolute right to say
"this is correct, or that is not correct" Because there can be no objective way of ascertaining what is actually correct there is no
such thing as absolute truth when it comes to religion. This is the same in all religions it seems. Religious teaching comes down
to someone's opinion.
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This is why I can't believe and have no faith in any deity. If some deity had ultimate powers, they would be able to make that
known beyond any doubt, beyond any controversy. Since that has never happened, nor is it likely to happen, it seems to me that
there is no deity. Because someone ages ago wrote something, and that writing has not changed in eons doesn't make what is
written true. There are lots of things that have been written thousands of years ago, and the original writing still exists. That does
not make what is written true. Are the words of the prophet Mohammed. written in his own hand still in existence? If not, how do
you know that these are actually his words? If they are his words, how do you know that what he was saying was the truth? I do
not mean this in a blasphemous way, but as a philosophical question.
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Doug, as you know, Mohammed's first wife was older than him and was a business women. Harsh physical circumstances often
determine the role for women especially in the dessert. There are many myths in the West about Islam.
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Doug , just a correction on the interpretation of the Quoran.
When a person reads the Quoran in its original language , Arabic , being an Arab himself , it will not be eazy for him to
understand each and every sentence because each sentence or verse or aya has a different meaning , therefore the reliance of the
eldest was on the disciples , if i may call them so , of Mohammed and the 'hadith' meaning the explanations given by the prophet
himself.
Needless to mention again the illitracy of Mohammed , the man couldnt read or write , yet he explained the Quoran thoroughly to
his followers who in turn wrote these explanations backing up their definitions by the men or women who transmitted this hadith
with at least two to three witnesses , so no doubt could rise at a later stage.
By theory , the Quoran could never be messed with , the hadith is well established on firm grounds. The only messing occured
when outsiders added oil on fire when Abou Baker was nominated as khalifa instead of Ali whose followers thought of him as
the heir of Mohammed because first he was his relative and second he was the first boy to believe in Islam , eventhough he
himself objected on these allegations and willingly accepted the decision taken after the elections.
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The interpretations you mentioned might have come during the 19th or 20th century when the bigots and extremists started
emerging backed by the West who didnt approve of an Arab unity. Nowadays the worse face , fanatical , absurd and not based on
the true message , is being revealed . Finding followers was an eazy task since most of the youth became poor due to the fact that
the political regimes in their countries are opressing them and denying them the 'opposition' rights , since every regime had to
maintain the throne it is sitting on ,not ready to leave space for anyone else.That's why , if you are a monitor of the events in the
ME , you will find that the Assads in Syria were serving Israel interests to remain the leaders of Syria for more than 40 years now
(guarding the borders) , the West (Europe and America) supporting them until today . The last red line was a great example.
This is one of the reasons , religion and politics are combined in the ME and abused to the point of no return.
This might take more than 10 pages if i want to continue but i suppose the above is sufficient for now.
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Quran is the Words of God "Allah" not the words of Mohammed NEVER...Quran written by honest people close to the Prophet
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I didn't change my truth but soon I will write deal of the roles and duties of men and women with evidence of respecting each
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Ron , his first wife was older than him , richer than him and from a well known family in Mecca , but,
When she died , as the first woman to follow Islam , her fortune was in the hands of her husband . Normally this should make
him a wealthy man ( following your logic ) , i dont want to disappoint you but her fortune was donated to the poor and homeless
people . Mohammed didnt use a 'penny' from the money she left,he continued living as a normal shepherd , with his camel and
stick.
This could serve as an example to you and your wives.
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sorts of things can be imposed on people, except of trust. Now, since faith in God is a matter of trust, humans cannot impose it on
others either.
They only thing that religious communities, or their human authorities, can do is to facilitate people in becoming aware of their
own trust in God. And the best way to do this is supporting them to formulate their own profession to their personal trust in God.
In this way, the human missions of religious communities can contribute to what essentially is God's mission, namely to convert
people to become conscious of their own trust in God and to profess to it.
Professions in this religious sense are first person judgments. As such they express the state of mind of those professing without
imposing this state of mind and its matter on others. instead, they are content with affecting the state of mind of others, thereby
leaving them free either to accept being turned on thereby nor to refuse it. For this is precisely what the first person judgments of
professions cannot do. The only one who can do this is God's own spirit. Hence, all mission essentially is God's mission. to
which humans only can contribute by leaving space to God's work.
Unfortunately, religious communities tend to impose their traditional faith doctrine on their members without respecting their
individual trust in God as a matter of their individual manner of having trust. And this means that they tend to abuse the
individual trust of their members, rather than that they facilitate this individual trust to unfold. And this conflicts with the
message of our common father Abraham. He had the reliable courage to follow God calling him directly, rather than what has
reached him through the mediation of his community. Thus, Abraham did not sty with it but followed God's call in a land that
God would show him only in the future. Accordingly, religious communities today are called by God to facilitate their members
in following God's immediate call to have trust in him, rather than the mediate call through human traditions and authorities.And
this is a mediate call from God, if and only if human traditions and authorities are used by religious communities for facilitating
people to hear their immediate call from God. This, however is a matter of their personal capacity of having trust, rather than of
any traditional faith doctrine.of religious communities.
Now, it is essential for my trust in God that it tries to affect others through searching with them for a consensus about trust in
general as the base of our existence and about trust in God in particular as the base of human existence. Hence, I understand, e.g.,
the ancient Christian creeds as facilitators for people to formulate their own professions to having trust in God, rather than as
faith doctrines, in order to replace those individual professions. The traditional Christian alliance between throne and altar, on the
contrary, has been abused through forcing individual people to accept the formulas of those creeds, which has disfigured them for
most people until today beyond recognition.
Since, now, all humans need this support for articulating their own professions to their trust in God, the trust in God is also a
public matter. For it is a matter of the common good of all humans to be supported to become aware of their personal trust in
general as the base of their existence and their personal trust in God in particular as the foundation of that base. Now, again, it is
the task of God's spirit rather than of any human authority to go beyond mere support and actually make people to have trust in
God as the source of their trust in life. In order to be precise, all of these third person judgments make sense only in the context
of the first person judgment of my profession to having trust in God.
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Very good Kenneth
Actually in Islam the roles and the roads are clearly defined but humans mainly the extremist religious hide what they don't like
and keep what they like... It is the religion of all men and women with justice and equity. ..
In Islam originally there is only Islam for all with minimum and maximum peaceful bases for everything and everyone.
The minimum is the " Five Pillars" also with peaceful minimum and maximum, the minimum just to accept existing of God the
Only God with accepting Prophet Mohammed and all Prophets + Pray five times a day and Fasting Ramadan .......plus Hajj and
Chirity if you able to do...This is the Basic of Philosophy of Islam...all of these with the last two have huge benefits for humanity
and mainly for the poor.....
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Regarding women and men roles and duties they are well defined with justice and equity for all. .. based on the nature and
natural characters of both.....also three are minimum and minimum the minimum is compulsory for all and the maximum with
totally agreed. .... soon I will clarify these roles and duties for both
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My statement "women lucky to surrender to men" is just reaction to other oppose comment..it is not a part of Islam teaching. ..
philosophy of women in Islam is equal to man in every aspect according to their natural physical and social characters and
abilities. ..if a woman is able to work in harder work mire than man...why not he has the choice. ....women have specific duties
...of if these duties men can never do ...never
All man and wman have ro respect each other. ..be honest. ..be equal. ..be justice. ..be humanity ...man should not hurt woman
and woman should not hurt or abuse a man as child. ..adult and later ages more
If any one, Muslim or non have different understanding.....he / she is wrong"
Nevertheless Eisa, you did say it. I am glad to see that you have changed your stance on this topic. It is unfortunate that many in
Islam have this opinion about the position and status of women.
It seems to me that there are many interpretations of the Quoran, and that there is no one person with the absolute right to say
"this is correct, or that is not correct" Because there can be no objective way of ascertaining what is actually correct there is no
such thing as absolute truth when it comes to religion. This is the same in all religions it seems. Religious teaching comes down
to someone's opinion.
This is why I can't believe and have no faith in any deity. If some deity had ultimate powers, they would be able to make that
known beyond any doubt, beyond any controversy. Since that has never happened, nor is it likely to happen, it seems to me that
there is no deity. Because someone ages ago wrote something, and that writing has not changed in eons doesn't make what is
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written true. There are lots of things that have been written thousands of years ago, and the original writing still exists. That does
not make what is written true. Are the words of the prophet Mohammed. written in his own hand still in existence? If not, how do
you know that these are actually his words? If they are his words, how do you know that what he was saying was the truth? I do
not mean this in a blasphemous way, but as a philosophical question.
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Doug, as you know, Mohammed's first wife was older than him and was a business women. Harsh physical circumstances often
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Doug , just a correction on the interpretation of the Quoran.
When a person reads the Quoran in its original language , Arabic , being an Arab himself , it will not be eazy for him to
understand each and every sentence because each sentence or verse or aya has a different meaning , therefore the reliance of the
eldest was on the disciples , if i may call them so , of Mohammed and the 'hadith' meaning the explanations given by the prophet
himself.
Needless to mention again the illitracy of Mohammed , the man couldnt read or write , yet he explained the Quoran thoroughly to
his followers who in turn wrote these explanations backing up their definitions by the men or women who transmitted this hadith
with at least two to three witnesses , so no doubt could rise at a later stage.
By theory , the Quoran could never be messed with , the hadith is well established on firm grounds. The only messing occured
when outsiders added oil on fire when Abou Baker was nominated as khalifa instead of Ali whose followers thought of him as
the heir of Mohammed because first he was his relative and second he was the first boy to believe in Islam , eventhough he
himself objected on these allegations and willingly accepted the decision taken after the elections.
The interpretations you mentioned might have come during the 19th or 20th century when the bigots and extremists started
emerging backed by the West who didnt approve of an Arab unity. Nowadays the worse face , fanatical , absurd and not based on
the true message , is being revealed . Finding followers was an eazy task since most of the youth became poor due to the fact that
the political regimes in their countries are opressing them and denying them the 'opposition' rights , since every regime had to
maintain the throne it is sitting on ,not ready to leave space for anyone else.That's why , if you are a monitor of the events in the
ME , you will find that the Assads in Syria were serving Israel interests to remain the leaders of Syria for more than 40 years now
(guarding the borders) , the West (Europe and America) supporting them until today . The last red line was a great example.
This is one of the reasons , religion and politics are combined in the ME and abused to the point of no return.
This might take more than 10 pages if i want to continue but i suppose the above is sufficient for now.
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Doug
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Quran is the Words of God "Allah" not the words of Mohammed NEVER...Quran written by honest people close to the Prophet
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I didn't change my truth but soon I will write deal of the roles and duties of men and women with evidence of respecting each
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Ron , his first wife was older than him , richer than him and from a well known family in Mecca , but,
When she died , as the first woman to follow Islam , her fortune was in the hands of her husband . Normally this should make
him a wealthy man ( following your logic ) , i dont want to disappoint you but her fortune was donated to the poor and homeless
people . Mohammed didnt use a 'penny' from the money she left,he continued living as a normal shepherd , with his camel and
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"Mohammed didnt use a 'penny' from the money she left"
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Who knows... who cares... Many Muslim ritualistically beat their wives and it suppose to be sanctioned by the Quoran.
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Eisa, by talking about personal trust, I have tried to underline the essence of trust. To my mind,this essence consists in that all
sorts of things can be imposed on people, except of trust. Now, since faith in God is a matter of trust, humans cannot impose it on
others either.
They only thing that religious communities, or their human authorities, can do is to facilitate people in becoming aware of their
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own trust in God. And the best way to do this is supporting them to formulate their own profession to their personal trust in God.
In this way, the human missions of religious communities can contribute to what essentially is God's mission, namely to convert
people to become conscious of their own trust in God and to profess to it.
Professions in this religious sense are first person judgments. As such they express the state of mind of those professing without
imposing this state of mind and its matter on others. instead, they are content with affecting the state of mind of others, thereby
leaving them free either to accept being turned on thereby nor to refuse it. For this is precisely what the first person judgments of
professions cannot do. The only one who can do this is God's own spirit. Hence, all mission essentially is God's mission. to
which humans only can contribute by leaving space to God's work.
Unfortunately, religious communities tend to impose their traditional faith doctrine on their members without respecting their
individual trust in God as a matter of their individual manner of having trust. And this means that they tend to abuse the
individual trust of their members, rather than that they facilitate this individual trust to unfold. And this conflicts with the
message of our common father Abraham. He had the reliable courage to follow God calling him directly, rather than what has
reached him through the mediation of his community. Thus, Abraham did not sty with it but followed God's call in a land that
God would show him only in the future. Accordingly, religious communities today are called by God to facilitate their members
in following God's immediate call to have trust in him, rather than the mediate call through human traditions and authorities.And
this is a mediate call from God, if and only if human traditions and authorities are used by religious communities for facilitating
people to hear their immediate call from God. This, however is a matter of their personal capacity of having trust, rather than of
any traditional faith doctrine.of religious communities.
Now, it is essential for my trust in God that it tries to affect others through searching with them for a consensus about trust in
general as the base of our existence and about trust in God in particular as the base of human existence. Hence, I understand, e.g.,
the ancient Christian creeds as facilitators for people to formulate their own professions to having trust in God, rather than as
faith doctrines, in order to replace those individual professions. The traditional Christian alliance between throne and altar, on the
contrary, has been abused through forcing individual people to accept the formulas of those creeds, which has disfigured them for
most people until today beyond recognition.
Since, now, all humans need this support for articulating their own professions to their trust in God, the trust in God is also a
public matter. For it is a matter of the common good of all humans to be supported to become aware of their personal trust in
general as the base of their existence and their personal trust in God in particular as the foundation of that base. Now, again, it is
the task of God's spirit rather than of any human authority to go beyond mere support and actually make people to have trust in
God as the source of their trust in life. In order to be precise, all of these third person judgments make sense only in the context
of the first person judgment of my profession to having trust in God.
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Trouble posting!..The rest of my post...
Yes Eisa..The roles of Man & Woman are blurred in the west. Well defined roles as you have would eliminate the difficulty
women have here in seeking happiness..but we cannot go back.
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Very good Kenneth
Actually in Islam the roles and the roads are clearly defined but humans mainly the extremist religious hide what they don't like
and keep what they like... It is the religion of all men and women with justice and equity. ..
In Islam originally there is only Islam for all with minimum and maximum peaceful bases for everything and everyone.
The minimum is the " Five Pillars" also with peaceful minimum and maximum, the minimum just to accept existing of God the
Only God with accepting Prophet Mohammed and all Prophets + Pray five times a day and Fasting Ramadan .......plus Hajj and
Chirity if you able to do...This is the Basic of Philosophy of Islam...all of these with the last two have huge benefits for humanity
and mainly for the poor.....
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Regarding women and men roles and duties they are well defined with justice and equity for all. .. based on the nature and
natural characters of both.....also three are minimum and minimum the minimum is compulsory for all and the maximum with
totally agreed. .... soon I will clarify these roles and duties for both
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My statement "women lucky to surrender to men" is just reaction to other oppose comment..it is not a part of Islam teaching. ..
philosophy of women in Islam is equal to man in every aspect according to their natural physical and social characters and
abilities. ..if a woman is able to work in harder work mire than man...why not he has the choice. ....women have specific duties
...of if these duties men can never do ...never
All man and wman have ro respect each other. ..be honest. ..be equal. ..be justice. ..be humanity ...man should not hurt woman
and woman should not hurt or abuse a man as child. ..adult and later ages more
If any one, Muslim or non have different understanding.....he / she is wrong"
Nevertheless Eisa, you did say it. I am glad to see that you have changed your stance on this topic. It is unfortunate that many in
Islam have this opinion about the position and status of women.
It seems to me that there are many interpretations of the Quoran, and that there is no one person with the absolute right to say
"this is correct, or that is not correct" Because there can be no objective way of ascertaining what is actually correct there is no
such thing as absolute truth when it comes to religion. This is the same in all religions it seems. Religious teaching comes down
to someone's opinion.
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This is why I can't believe and have no faith in any deity. If some deity had ultimate powers, they would be able to make that
known beyond any doubt, beyond any controversy. Since that has never happened, nor is it likely to happen, it seems to me that
there is no deity. Because someone ages ago wrote something, and that writing has not changed in eons doesn't make what is
written true. There are lots of things that have been written thousands of years ago, and the original writing still exists. That does
not make what is written true. Are the words of the prophet Mohammed. written in his own hand still in existence? If not, how do
you know that these are actually his words? If they are his words, how do you know that what he was saying was the truth? I do
not mean this in a blasphemous way, but as a philosophical question.
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Doug , just a correction on the interpretation of the Quoran.
When a person reads the Quoran in its original language , Arabic , being an Arab himself , it will not be eazy for him to
understand each and every sentence because each sentence or verse or aya has a different meaning , therefore the reliance of the
eldest was on the disciples , if i may call them so , of Mohammed and the 'hadith' meaning the explanations given by the prophet
himself.
Needless to mention again the illitracy of Mohammed , the man couldnt read or write , yet he explained the Quoran thoroughly to
his followers who in turn wrote these explanations backing up their definitions by the men or women who transmitted this hadith
with at least two to three witnesses , so no doubt could rise at a later stage.
By theory , the Quoran could never be messed with , the hadith is well established on firm grounds. The only messing occured
when outsiders added oil on fire when Abou Baker was nominated as khalifa instead of Ali whose followers thought of him as
the heir of Mohammed because first he was his relative and second he was the first boy to believe in Islam , eventhough he
himself objected on these allegations and willingly accepted the decision taken after the elections.
The interpretations you mentioned might have come during the 19th or 20th century when the bigots and extremists started
emerging backed by the West who didnt approve of an Arab unity. Nowadays the worse face , fanatical , absurd and not based on
the true message , is being revealed . Finding followers was an eazy task since most of the youth became poor due to the fact that
the political regimes in their countries are opressing them and denying them the 'opposition' rights , since every regime had to
maintain the throne it is sitting on ,not ready to leave space for anyone else.That's why , if you are a monitor of the events in the
ME , you will find that the Assads in Syria were serving Israel interests to remain the leaders of Syria for more than 40 years now
(guarding the borders) , the West (Europe and America) supporting them until today . The last red line was a great example.
This is one of the reasons , religion and politics are combined in the ME and abused to the point of no return.
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Doug
First:
Quran is the Words of God "Allah" not the words of Mohammed NEVER...Quran written by honest people close to the Prophet
Mohammed
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I didn't change my truth but soon I will write deal of the roles and duties of men and women with evidence of respecting each
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Ron , his first wife was older than him , richer than him and from a well known family in Mecca , but,
When she died , as the first woman to follow Islam , her fortune was in the hands of her husband . Normally this should make
him a wealthy man ( following your logic ) , i dont want to disappoint you but her fortune was donated to the poor and homeless
people . Mohammed didnt use a 'penny' from the money she left,he continued living as a normal shepherd , with his camel and
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"Mohammed didnt use a 'penny' from the money she left"
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So Saudi men pay other men to make out with wives in front of them?
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May be in US Not in Saudi ......you pay your wives, sisters...daughters, mothers...will kill who sale women
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We are a human not apes
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WHAT THE PHILOSOPHY CAN UNITY HUMAN & HUMANITY ....IS THERE ...DO YOU HAVE ....Sure not
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Good Nasser
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Don't give guy a chance
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Eisa,
To my mind, it is only a question of rime that Islamic theology has to face what, in the West, has been called historic Criticism.
Calling the Koran the world of God does not contradict the fact that Mohamed has dictated it in Arabic words of his time. God
does not speak Arabic, but Mohamed did. And, insofar, the Arabic words of the Koran are also Mohamed's words. It has been the
trust of early Muslims in God that made them recognize the Koran as the word of God.
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Hilmer
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Quran Inspired from God by Gbireal the Angel of all Holy Prophets and Scriptures in Arabic language as One many Miracle
...No way to edit or change NEVER. ..It is clear for those like to be clear to be humanity to be honest ....
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Eisa!..."We are a human not apes"
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NOW YOU TELL ME!!!
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Yes Kenneth
We are humans created as human from Adam & Eve ....you agree ?
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This was a thread all rejected this Truth
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Not exactly Eisa.. we part ways on the man-made scriptures that you believe to be written by God..as I believe they were not to
be taken literally.
Intelligent design makes sense...yes..but probably Adam and Eve were cells in a primordial soup.
All the rest is of man's making. (my opinion only...I do not mean to disparage your beliefs)
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Holy Scriptures not written by God but sent by God through Gibreal the Special Angel for this purpose
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All Holy Scriptures and mainly Quran is a Holy Law covers all sciences and legal aspects of personal, social, moral, spiritual,
ethical...all bases of human life ....We strongly trust better than any human made laws and regulations
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@ Doc , they did demonstrate and women expressed themselves to the contrary of your citations. Ok , you want them to
demonstrate and not drive or drive and not demonstrate? Make up your mind because we want them to do both.
You focus on the gay phenomenon that you suppose exists in SA , so what ? Should i take you by the hand and show you what's
happening elsewhere? In the Vatican itself,where the Pope had to retire to skip the scandal.
No , i dont think you respect the church or the Vatican therefore you do not care , you keep sending corruption messages about
the filthiness that you imagine is taking place in the SA just to show that you are far above,way above all these insane Muslims
that keep beating their wives while you said yourself that it is being done all over the world.Dont think for a moment that a
muslim who beats his wife the way the Americans do (as i saw it on TV) will not be penalised or driven by his balls to prison.
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And one more thing , i respect the Vatican and the American way of life , it is a choice they made and i do not have the right to
blame them on what they do or exerce, wether the woman goes to a night club to hunt for a man or walk the streets waiting for a
client , it is not my business to redump them , so do not make it your business to scandlise muslim women who did not drive a
car yet , but will .Do not predict what they will do in their cars since we never did mention what yours do in theirs.
You will say that it is your opinion and you are free to say what you want , sure ok but i believe that self respect is more
important than gaining the simpathy of your friends by moquing your neighbor's wife or girl friend. Have some manners , the
guns are not the only powerful weapons , the pen might hurt more than a gun, sometimes.
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Eisa..If you feel that way then I can understand your devotion to the holy scriptures...& don't get me wrong...I think there was
some "divine intervention" or "spiritual guidance" in some of the writings..but I still feel that most of them are man-made
notions...written for the time for one reason or another.
..& that most of them are full of holes...not holy
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"God does not speak Arabic" How presumptuous... would not God be
multi-lingual? U mean all those people praying to God in Arabic cannot be
understood by God?
How illogical!
"In the Vatican itself,where the Pope had to retire to skip the scandal."
U mean the former Pope was found to be having sex with altar boys?
"Dont think for a moment that a muslim who beats his wife the way the
Americans do (as i saw it on TV) will not be penalised or driven by his
balls to prison."
If U only beat your wives a little bit... why not just go into bondage and
spamking... get some nipple clamps or something... also "driven by his
balls" is gay slang...in the name of Allah!
"Have some manners , the guns are not the only powerful weapons , the pen
might hurt more than a gun, sometimes.. " ...like when I jam my pen into
your eye socket... in the name of Allah!
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Eisa, who tells you that the Koran is God's word? Either God himself whose voice you recognize by your trust in him to the point
of surrender, or human authorities? We have agreed before on that "islam" means your personal surrender to God and the peace
that it brings to you. So what is most important for you is not what the tradition tells you about Mohamed was inspired by God
through the angel Gabriel, but rather what,on the grounds of your trust in God, of your personal "islam," you understand as the
divine truth.
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Eisa, who tells you that the Koran is God's word? Either God himself whose
little voices in your head that you trust is not mental illness to the
point of surrender,
We have agreed before on that "islam" means your personal surrender to God
and the peace that it brings to you. It's almost like a drug which our
Prophet Karl Marx called an opiate.
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So what is most important for you is that religion is like a drug i.e. an
opiate of the masses... tradition tells you about Mohamed as a drugged out
loony tune was inspired by God through the angel Gabriel, but rather
what,on the grounds of your trust in God, of your personal "islam," you
understand as the divine truth which is erotic sexuality and identifying
sex as prayer.
By Hilmar Lorenz and Doc Wilmot.
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Hello dear colleagues
I am sure that all Original Holy Scriptures "Scripture of Abraha; Zubur with David 'Dawoud"; Torah with Moses; Injil with
Jesus" were the Words of God "Allah" the Only One God the Great Creator ...they changed, edited and rewritten by Paul;
John..James... Mathew.... ...
Regarding "Quran" I am SURE too, without any doubt that it is the Words of God "Allah" the Only One God the Great Creator
written by trusted and honest companions of Prophet Mohammed without any adding or change or editing ....
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I am not surprise as you don't accept this truth ...many before you said what you are saying now including the top of atheists of
Makkah the uncles of Prophet, some of them tried to write a similar viruses when other atheists hear and read what he did they
laughing as he was wrote silly words .....God's Words no alike ..... I am not follow what others said or saying I read Quran and
understand well that humans never write alike.
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When U pray, how do you know, U R not just talking to yourself... cookoo
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My Personal argument " The Great Who Create All Great Life & Death" Is The Only One Who Can Write Great Science that
humans will NEVER know and produce alike
Tell today with great humans advancements they are able to know what is "Universe" & Earth" rather than Life & Death.
If you think humans that know or reach the first sky of the Seven skies of the "Great Universe" you are astray - just in a dream as
St. Paul dreamed that he saw Jesus (PBUH) ….
NASA just discovered less than 1% of earthy space ……No way to reach the Universe rather than "Throne" that Gary mentioned
in his poems …….. Tell today NASA doesn't know well how many planets, starts … that earth spaces have, they discovered a
few between earth, moon and sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rlmqJ24ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugvRZGciOghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27uMuXaoV4
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atch?v=WdZLXgpz-1Yhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss-fuY3hTO8
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NO WAY for Truth of Science Except With Quran
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All The Above TRUTH and Huge Still Hide are In Quran .........if you like follow, read, search...to discover
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IF YOU LIKE TO DISCOVER TRUTH THE WORTHY SCIENCE ....BE SERIOUS
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All The Above TRUTH and Huge Still Hide In Quran = ISLAMIC PHILOSOPHY & SCIENCE.....NO ALIKE .
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JUST SEARCH & COMPARE to the few human sciences and technologies that you discovered many are fallacies and the other
are just by imitating the Nature and Natural of Quran ....
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What does the Quran say about being gay?
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I thought i was addressing someone who knows how to join a discussion but it seems i was wrong.
The Quoran says in what it means that we created a man and a woman to marry each others.
It also says in what it means that money and children are the gift on the earthy life.
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But why bother , you will take the meaning by the tail, as we say here , and throw it in my face with your logic about gay(s) , you
will not accept it to be an abnormal behaviour.
Whatever the case is , there is a verse in the Quoran about the men who didnt like women
"Lot" i am not sure about the pronounciation but in this verse we are taught to respect the woman god created to be our
companion and not run after other men .
You still have a long way ahead of you my friend.
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"you will not accept it to be an abnormal behaviour."
I accept that U think it is abnormal out of ignorance (never having Googled
the SDN) but even if thought an abomination like in the Christian Bible why
are there so many homo acts in Saudi Arabia... why is it in the closet?
The Kingdom in the Closet
Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes
there. Why it is “easier to be gay than straight” in a society where
everyone, homosexual and otherwise, lives in the closet
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
<http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/>
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What about the stories of young boys kneeling in alleys with their mouths
open... and the King, feeling compassion, gave them bejeweled knee pads?
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Those are your stories my friend , but anyhow every context will have the good , the bad and the ugly and not all people are Clint
Eastwood , you will always have another Elton John on the piano .
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From the Gospel of Ron:
I say to you, to enter the Kingdom of heaven you must believe the right thing or as the Jailor from Cool Hand Luke said, "get
your mind right.!" Only the saintly will enter into heaven...what is saintly, once again, "get your mind right!" These are truths
said to me from Jesus...well not directly, I never met him, but I have it on good authority he said them, well that's what the
Romans told me. Also, if you happen to be rich, forget about it, remember the eye of needle.
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You can rob banks, but if you are rich, kiss your ass goodbye. Coveting thy neighbor's wife or murdering her is ok as long as you
believe the right thing...."get your mind right!" Even if you have a checkered past, that never stopped people from becoming a
saint...just perform some miracles.
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I will leave it up to you to perform miracles and wondering what the right thing is.
" I accept that you think it is abnormal out of ignorance ".
I did not invent the English language . Maybe you could translate the meaning of the words like 'eccentric' or 'anomalous' or even
'homo'.
This kind of supercilioucness will lead you nowhere. Being , in your own mirror , an unmatched superior man , myself being an
ignorant , is coming out of a swank who believes in nothing or no one but himself. Good to you .
From all that has been said , the conclusion is that bigots or bigotry is not a muslim shield . Even atheists and disblievers are full
of bigotry because they will never change their dialect even though they know , deep down , that the truth is not lying to
oneself.Ancient Rome and Zeus are not the truth . The truth is that you are nothing but a passing by visitor in a short journey on
earth , you either profit out of this journey or you lose both ways, on the sphere as much as afterlife.
Will you change your mind if i keep trying to explain my point of view day and night ?
Will you be able to convince me that believing in substance is a choice in life ?
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The gay factor that's hunting you as being a scientific dilemna is grabbing you from your shoulders and is the sword that you are
fighting with any rational or logical behaviour or characteristic of the human being. Gay and/or lesbians are more a consequence
or mental instability that could or would be cured one of these days , but will YOU be cured ? No , you are a stubborn old guy ,
having some fun irritating the others by trying to prove an approach that's really abnormal or , otherwise , if i go along with your
logic , i should become a bisexual so you can approve on my thoughts . Why women if gays are around? isnt this your logic ?
Why get married ? Oh Yah , i forgot , they caught a boy in SA sucking a man's d... , and then what ? I bet you see this every day
in your life, so what?
Does that make you or me unfaithful ? The best thing to do in this case is to take the boy by his hand , put him in a specialised
hospital and mentor him , teach him the meaning of this and that. If he is afraid of women , teach him how to regain his self trust
and esteem , dont just feel sorry for him and make a demonstration for his equal rights.
I wonder what a gay is doing in the army , other than sucking....
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Bad Keep Badness May Be Eternal Badness
Good Keep Goodness May Be Eternal Goodness
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Eisa,
My insistence in that faith in God is a matter of trust rather than of knowledge does not seem to be understood by you. It is the
result of the criticism of the knowledge claims that I have learnt from the German Lutheran philosopher and luniere Immanuel
Kant. Hence, we cannot expect to find the equivalent in the Koran, since it was written in another time, thus answering problems
other than those that have emerged bu modern science.
Modern science has been the result of a basic shift in theorizing that took place in the West after Copernicus. Prior to Copernicus,
the task of theorizing was to meditate the eternal world in general and its creator, the eternal God, in particular. For it is this task
and only this task that justifies what empirical science does with the observations from where it proceeds, namely, to proceed
from there by employing the definitions of concepts and judgments, or propositions, determining objects. For the pre-Copernican
philosophers in the Christian and Islamic countries had learnt the lessons of the ancient Greek philosophers that definitions and
propositions make sense, in order to determine the eternal things of the invisible world, rather than to determine appearances in
the visible world that come and go, For definitions of concepts are designed to list all properties of it without that this list would
allow of that these properties are connected with their objects at one time and no more connected at another time. For example,
triangles always have three sides and three angles. Thus, these properties of the concept of a triangle do not change from one
time to another. For this concept belongs to geometry that is not an empirical science about visible things, but rather a science
about invisible things. Thus, the empirically drawn triangles may come and go and with them their properties, but the triangle in
itself which is invisible remains with its properties one and the same thing at all times. And it is with this notion of theorizing on
which the pre-Copernican world view has rested. It has started from human observations like that, in the morning, the sun rises
and, in the evening, the sun sets, which is still how we talk today. For it combines the physicist and psychological components of
human observations. The physicist component consists in the reflection of some kind of the alteration of locations and the
psychological component in reflecting on the distinction between an above and below, which is base on the feeling of the
sublime.Accordingly the ancient world view had the Earth resting below and the sky above in analogy with the invisible eternal
heavens.
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As beautiful, as the theoretical meditation on the invisible eternal world and God is that proceeds from human observation, it is
unable to provide a precise calendar which, e.g. agriculture needs, in order to organize seed and harvest in advance.
Consequently, the months did not have a stable location within their seasons. Over the years, instead, the months of July
migrated from the midst of the summer to other seasons, so that the calendar needed to be successfully reformed. Now
Copernicus started that successful reform by proceeding from that the sun rests and, the Earth orbits it in one year while turning
around its own axis every day. This is certainly not what humans can observe. instead, it presupposes a theory on that, as only
Kepler fully understood it, a successful calendar can be calculated by supposing that the Earth, like all the other planets, orbits
the sun on a course of the mathematical figure of an ellipsis, but it is successful for, e.g. making a successful calendar in which
the moths remain fixed in their seasons. Then, Kepler's mechanics of the sky were generalized into a mechanics of bodies and
forces in space and time in general. And this has been extraordinarily successful for humans, in order to change the visible world
in a technologically controlled manner (continued).
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(continued) Because of its extraordinarily technological success, consequently, most scientists started to believe knowing that, by
Newton's mechanics, the would now know, at least, better than any previous religious tradition what keeps the world together,
namely, an invisible machine the workings of which has neither a beginning nor an end. And, from there, they concluded that
there is no God, the creator, according to Jewish, Christian and Islamic traditions. To their mind, religion may have been good
for the trust of people prior to modern science, but wit the occurrence of the new knowledge of modern science, faith in God
would be obsolete.Evidently, there is one basic flaw in this argument, which consists in deriving from temporal technological
success knowledge about what keeps the world together at all time, or eternally, namely that world machine working without
beginning and end. For they only thing that technological success logically implies that change is going on in a technologically
controlled manner. Hence, it does not imply knowledge about how the world would be in itself, i.e. independently of those
humans who deal with it by means of technological successes. And human experience does not suggest this neither, because it is
not about anything beyond the temporal character of human experience. Hence, scientists have to face what their methods of
theorizing for themselves do not suggest, namely that, through theorizing, they have changed the human environment on this
Earth, as no human power prior to it was capable of doing. In other words, theorizing is the most radical form of practice. Hence,
a moral effort is needed that was unknown to scholars of former ages. What has been missing until today, is that this effort would
have been integrated in the procedures of sciences. Instead, their theoretical proceedings still suggest that, by executing them,
scientists come to know what the world keeps together.In other words, the shift in scientific theorizing being called in the West
the Copernican turn necessitates us to realize that theorizing always has been a sort of practice serving certain tasks, which to
serve needs to be justified, because humans cannot reason in an objectively sufficient manner the claim to.that, according to the
suggestion of theoretical talk, theorizing would be able to produce knowledge through determining things as they are in
themselves, e.g., before God, i.e. independently of the human subjectivity of producing this knowledge. That this reasoning
cannot be objectively sufficient is today clarified by the environmental crisis, which is a crisis of the traditional human
consciousness that science produces knowledge.For this crisis reflects the side effects that successful science has been producing,
e.g. the global warming. And these side effects have not been foreseen by scientists, because they are not part of the
technological thought framework of their theories being focused on technological success. The latter, however, does not exclude
at all disaster for humanity. Hence, religious people like you and me are asked to preserve God's creation from human destruction
through those side effects.Now, does this mean that religious people know things better? This cannot be true either, if we think of
the beauty of pre-Copernican theorizing that was unable to produce a reliable calendar, let alone anyone of the technological
successes of modern science. Hence, religious people should return to what has been said in Antiquity about the relationship that
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humans can have to God, namely one of individual personal trust in him, rather than disposing on any knowledge of him. For
even if it was able to support the trust pf humans in God, ancient theorizing does not allow of knowledge claims about God. How
are we human creatures of God that we can claim to know him, as he is in himself, and, possible, to dispose of him, as disposing
of their gods has been a feature of polytheism..
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Hilmer
I like your hard work and efforts. ..you are doing well.
However almost you talk about humans misunderstanding ...regarding the structure of universe and earth ...
Quran is not just a moral and spiritual book it is the book of history, natural, life, human, social, political, ethical, legal,
humanity. .. sciences...
Quran, also, is the book of technology also. ....Brain is the base of all modern technological advancements
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Quran described the real phenomenom well but religious have limited understanding or misunderstanding. ...if you read the last
posted links your will find the truth that there are scientific things exactly as scientists discovered and thst there are many didn't
discovered. ....
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Continue. ..
Read Quran or at least the posted links to know the truth that Quran support all the discovered scientific truth of Newton and
others ...
Regarding God....who think that human create God the Only One God. .. is silly...
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Quran clarifies the truth who is the God is the Only One God the Great Creator
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Thank you Hilmar Lorenz. It was a real lecture that i will archive.
Thanks again.
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Eisa.
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You sincerely believe that the Quran is a book of history, literally the truth? Everything written is the truth?
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Eisa, vast majority of educated people believe in evolution. Islam will change as many other religions have. It contradicts
science. If religion is tradition then it will continue to drag along behind science.
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WOW , such lovely comments after a long silent contemplation.
The Quoran doesnt need proof that it is the truth . It is not a book of history . It is a book of knowledge , if you like to educate
yourself , try reading it , but again , it will be difficult for you to understand.
Normally , educated people do not believe in theories or hypothisis that were not proven , till this very day. One of them being
evolution.
Islam will not change , Muslims might but not Islam. Driven by politicians the muslims were divided , the funny thing is that
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science is dragging behind the Quoran . I dont think i have to repeat my proof , add on it the aids , this pest has been recently
discovered by scientists while it was clearly stated in the Quoran that the anomalous actions are not approved and will lead to
such pests .
Welcome my friends to the scientific world of the Quoran.
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The only known "morality" are the collective values/rules/laws of a society. I suppose this has been true for a least one million
years. Eisa, Saudi Arabia has a much different set of values than most other western countries. I doubt if most Saudis would go
along with gay marriage. Values change with this whole adaptation thing.
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Islam is Islam will never reject Truth of Creation and replaced it with humans cane from apes man never
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Quran a book of life ...everything not only history ....history as real stories of humans civilizations with Prophets that you
rejected
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They just take the word that they like only ....
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Quran teach humanity that they are human being not apes man
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Saudi Arabia is the true ....They have their own truth ......
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You have your own faith and fallacies such as evolution man was an animal !!!!!!
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I wonder what a gay is doing in the army , other than sucking....
By nasser sinno
U got me... I don't know... it's not hard to be gay on the military...
How do I look in my uniform? How about my decorations? Is my hair too short
are my shoes shined brightly enough? How do I look? How do I smell? I know
other men R going to be checking me out and I want to look good for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPn14A1mschttp://www
<http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwVPn14A1mschttp%
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That is a statement ? an admittance ? I like it when you cut a whole sentence and chose a couple of words , concerning your
preferred hobby, and start your moquing critics . It kind of gives me an idea of who and what you are.
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and start your moquing critics .
Mocking... mocking my critics... U can "mock" religion in America... that's
why America is greater than Saudi Arabia.... a theocracy... and U cannot
discuss philosophy in a theocracy... that's like plaids and stripes... they
don't match! ... accept in SA.
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A true philosophical discussion of good and evil would focus on 'necessary'
evil... what is that... how can evil be necessary? Well if U have good all
the time, then what is evil... evil is necessary to define good...
therefore evil (grrrr) is good (la tee dah).
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Mocking religion doesn't make a great person ….never
Who Mock truth and others truth is scornful and disdainful person
Mocking is not a part of true philosophy, may be your philosophy
If your true America is mocking and mockers, they are not greater than Saudi Arabia & Islam but less than all other nations and
people
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As we know America and majority of the Americans are is a respective country and people….only a few are not respective
almost they are not Americans originally
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THIS IS AMERICA! THIS IS MAIN STREET USA! This is what makes America
great... what makes it that shining city on a hill: Freedom of Speech! This
is a market place for sure with all the promotions posing as discussions
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But LinkedIn also represents a market place of ideas. Ideas can come from
anywhere, even from humor... especially from humor as Mark Twain believed.
And that is why it is so important to continue to fight for the freedom
that at least some of the Forums espouse.
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Yes the censors and the theocrats will always try and limit free expression
but by upholding the rigorous idea of keeping speech (or in this case
writing) free we are upholding what America has become... a bastion of free
thought.
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Criticize with rational evidences without your "Mocking Philosophy" .....
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Weapons and Economy make America Great not mocking others
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Islamic Philosophy is a universal humanity based wisdom, knowledge, insight and judgment with true rational decision making,
it is oppose to atheists fallacies and thoughtlessness
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Mocking is oppose to wisdom the ancient rational name of "Philosophy"
Mocking of Doc = stupidity, idiocy, silliness, imprudence, thoughtlessness….(In dictionaries)
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If all atheists use Doc Philosophy of Mocking....So the title of this thread is true ....they are stupid
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Agnosticism:
The man who comes through the ‘Door in the Wall’ will never be quite the
same as the man who went out. He will be wiser but less cocksure, happier
but less self-satisfied, humbler in the acknowledging his ignorance yet
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better equipped to understand the relationship of words to things, of
systematic reasoning to the unfathomable mystery which it tries, forever
vainly, to comprehend. (Doors of Perception, Huxley, 1954)
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LOL! I used your word-- U told ne I was mocking-- when actually I was
questuioning. So I lampooned your "mocking".
It's not a mock to ask: why so much undercover homosexuality in Saudi
Arabia? Is it denial?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVpdBIi1BU
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Your characters are clear from your titles:
Atheists = Doubter, Agnostic, Nonbeliever, cynic disbeliever skeptic, DISTRUST ……NEGATIVE PEOPLE
WHILE; we are Positive
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Believers, trusted, supporter, advocates.... it is enough
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Also you are "Homosexual - Gay" While we are True and healthy sexual
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This is what makes Muslims want to chop off heads... they cannot make logical arguments and so they want to close the infidels
mouth permanently by detaching it from his body.
They are Gozers! Hey! Muslims are Gozers!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjzZhTS_xa0#!
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Eisa, unfortunately the third part of my answer to you has been lost, because Linkedin did not save it. The essence has been that
the calamity of the technological successes of modern scientific theories teaches us a hard lessen that was unknown to the
Christian and Islamic traditions of faith doctrines. My philosophical teacher who was a well known atomic physicist used to
formulate it this way: Scientific theorizing is the most radical form of human practice. Therefore, scientists today have to make a
moral effort that was unknown to former generations. He himself certainly has lived this moral effort, but has not integrated it
into the procedures of theorizing himself.
Since theorizing is the most radical form of human practice, this means that it has to integrate into its proceedings a procedure
that accomplishes a moral justification of what science does to nature being God's creation. Now, the same thing may be said
about theorizing on history.that, by its definitions and logical propositions, suggests to determine history in general and historic
documents in particular like the Bible and the Koran as objects. Thus, in fact, the faith doctrines we have been used to were
conceived as true theories on the essence of our holy scriptures. Nevertheless, Christendom and Islam had the problem of
that.their theologians have brought about contradictory faith doctrines, which have split them into opposing schools each
claiming to be right and blaming the others to be wrong, In former centuries, the Christian alliances between throne and altar
have tried to impose their faith doctrines as the right ones on the supporters of the wrong doctrines by force that have turned into
bloody wars.Today, the bloodshed among the different Islamic doctrines has become in the foreground of attention.
Claiming to be right is the attitude of the promoters of one doctrine to know things, at least ,better than the promoters of the
others. What is wrong with it and as blasphemous, as modern science is? The claim of humans to know what things holds
together they have not made themselves. According to having trust in God as the creator of this world, we humans have not
created this world. Hence, we cannot know what holds the world together, whether it is the world being the theoretical object of
modern science or the historic world being the theoretical object of religious faith doctrines. And when we talk theoretically
about it which is in a manner that suggests knowing it, we put ourselves in the shoes of the divine creator.
The German scientist Johannes Kepler has called it: rethinking the creative thoughts of God, thus believing that, thereby, we
come to know God's creation. .Thereby, he has contributed to the superiority complex of Western scientists over the rest of the
world with the terrible political consequences that the alliances of throne and alter have drawn from it, e.g., in the colonial wars
to which, e.g. Islamic countries have been submitted. For centuries Western intellectuals have not learnt the lessen of the Platonic
Socrates and the Hellenist Jew Shaul having become the converted Christian Apostle Paul. And this is that the human relation to
God and the world cannot be one of knowledge, but only of faith as a matter of trust.
Now trust is not claimed like knowledge by third person judgments, but, instead professed by first person judgments. Contrary to
the former, the latter do not impose their matter as something objective and insofar,beyond human subjectivity, but rather
underline the subjectivity of their profession to it. Thereby, those professions to having trust, e.g. in God leave it to their
addressees, whether or not they join their profession. And they do so without necessitating the addressees to defeat the matter of
their professions, as knowledge claims do. (continued) .
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EVERY EXISTING ADVANCEMENT CAME FROM RELIGION AND CREATION
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To me, Religion is different than the religion and religious that you are talking about
- Religion is the true science of creation, life and death
- Religion is the unity of humanity in worshiping One God
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- Religion encourage positive innovation and creativity by which believers will squire two benefits in earthy life and the day after
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Many Muslims are gay but deny it.
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The realization of knowing that “we cannot know everything” is the backbone of the agnostic belief.
Christian Zealot: God loves you and everyone. He will save you
Agnostic: Prove it.
Atheist: There is no way that a god can exist.
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Agnostic: Prove it.
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Agnostic = Top of doubting - illiterates - Hesitant - Skeptical
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Believers = Top of Certainty - Truth
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Bye Sleeping............
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Be True Believer To Have A Good Certainty Happiness
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(continued) In other words professions to faith as a matter of trust is designed to make peace with their addressees, while
knowledge claims are war mongering, because they only know winners and losers.
Now you claim (in a third person judgment) to know what the Quran is:"not just a moral and spiritual book it is the book of
history, natural, life, human, social, political, ethical, legal, humanity. .. sciences." Thereby, you repeat a traditional interpretation
of Quran without making it transparent to your readers who partly deny this interpretation what this has to do with your personal
trust in God. You countinue: "Quran, also, is the book of technology also. ....Brain is the base of all modern technological
advancements," as if you would know this.
And, if I ask you to tell me how you know it, you may answer with telling me a bout the well documented process by which the
Quran has been passed on to us, as scientists would back their knowledge claims through meticulously describing the mental
procedures.by which their knowledge claims have been extracted from human experience that, in the best case, may be shared by
all humans. But this does not explain how they, or you, thereby know objectively that things in themselves are like that
independently of the human being who have called this knowledge. We may have trust in them. But can we trust in them, this
visible and corruptible creators, as we can trust in God, the invisible and incorruptible creator? I do not think so. Rather it is our
trust in God that gives the measurement for the degree by which we can have trust in scientists, or those Christian and Islamic
authorities who have passed on the Bible, or the Quran, to us. Hence, the trust in God frees us to be critical about what these
human authorities tell us. For contrary to the trust in human authorities, only our trust in God can be total in the sense of
surrender to God (islam). Otherwise, we may surrender to humans instead of God, which is certainly not what the Quran asks
from us.
Many Christian theologians have hard times to understand my point, because the take for granted (by humans authorities) that the
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bible is the word of God and to not see the conflict in which it stands with.having trust in God to the point of surrender (islam).
Following this trust, his spirit well guide us in all truth,while following the trust in human authoroties former or later will lead us
in error. Thus, the Bible and the Quran contain for us who have trust in God (islam) is God's word for us in those passages about
which our trust in God accepts it to be the word of God. Hence, we may accept a tradition calling the Bible, or the Quran, in their
totality the word of God. But for us, actually, it is the word of God only there where, in our islam, we hear God speaking to us
through those words. Now, in order to hear God speaking to us, we have to listen to the explicit and implicit procedural
prescriptions of the Bible and the Quran, in order to understand them how they were meant to be understood. And this again may
differ from what our traditional faith doctrines have told us about it. What matter is the freedom that Islam gives to us, rather than
any human authority that may be inclined to restrict my freedom of having my trust in God which may differ from the trust of
others.
Now, since my personal trust in general and in God in particular is no matter of objective knowledge, I do not impose my
professions to my trust in God -and God's trust in me- .on any body else, since this is the task of God's spirit, rather than of my
spirit. And, insofar as my trust is connected with my hope for a future world, my trust is also connected with the hope for the
possibility of a consensus among those having trust in God and, to a certain degree, even with those who do not profess to having
trust in God, but only understand what trust means. For they are familiar with it, as far as they admit that they exist on the
grounds of trust..
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(continued) Since, however, very often there is not consensus even among those who profess to having trust in God, there is to
my mind the possibility and even the obligation to search for that consensus which right now I try to search for with you. And all
traditional faith doctrines are as valuable, as they are able to facilitate this search for a consensus, which alone give them
authority n the eyes of the God of my trust (islam)..
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Who Trusted and Loved God the Only One God the Great Creator is on Top of Trust
Islam is not a tradition as understand a tradition ……..
Islam Is The Top of Innovation the evidence that all recently discovered sciences and technologies are well documented before
1434 years , many not yet reflects the treasure if Islam
Read :
IBN RUSHD
ABU’L WALID MUHAMMAD (1126-98)
Ibn Rushd (Averroes) is regarded by many as the most important of the Islamic philosophers. A product of twelfth-century
Islamic Spain, he set out to integrate Aristotelian philosophy with Islamic thought. A common theme throughout his writings is
that there is no incompatibility between religion and philosophy when both are properly understood. His contributions to
philosophy took many forms, ranging from his detailed commentaries on Aristotle, his defence of philosophy against the attacks
of those who condemned it as contrary to Islam and his construction of a form of Aristotelianism which cleansed it, as far as was
possible at the time, of, Neoplatonic influences.
His thought is genuinely creative and highly controversial, producing powerful arguments that were to puzzle his philosophical
successors in the Jewish and Christian worlds. He seems to argue that there are two forms of truth, a religious form and a
philosophical form, and that it does not matter if they point in different directions. He also appears to be doubtful about the
possibility of personal immortality or of God’s being able to know that particular events have taken place. There is much in his
work also which suggests that religion is inferior to philosophy as a means of attaining knowledge, and that the understanding of
religion which ordinary believers can have is very different and impoverished when compared with that available to the
philosopher.
When discussing political philosophy he advocates a leading role in the state for philosophers, and is generally disparaging of the
qualities of theologians as political figures. Ibn Rushd’s philosophy is seen to be based upon a complex and original philosophy
of languages which expresses his critique of the accepted methods of argument in Islamic philosophy up to his time.
1. Commentaries
2. God and the world
3. The soul
4. Moral and political philosophy
5. The role of philosophy
6 Philosophy of language
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Ibn Rushed the real gurus of 'Philosophy' is the base of our Islamic Philosophy
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Eisa this entire topic of being gay in SA if U recall came about due to
one of my students saying out loud in class that there were no "gay
homosexuals" in Saudi Arabia and another SA student saying that there were
lots and that U couldn't admit to it as it was a capitol offense and yet
another saying there were lines of young boys in alleys with their pants
down and their mouths open, and another saying the King had bought these
boys bejeweled knee pads and yet another saying the entire homosexual act
was done in total silence. Just like it didn't happen.
And then I spotted this article:
The Kingdom in the Closet
Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes
there. Why it is “easier to be gay than straight” in a society where
everyone, homosexual and otherwise, lives in the close
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
<http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/>
And lastly, I tried to explain this lack of awareness as denial:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVpdBIi1BU
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVpdBIi1BU>
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Sodomy is the behave of Lot People during Abraham (PBUT) it is one of the worst behavior death is few ...They must be burned,
despite that there is no death punishment occurred in Saudi
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People R always asking me about Gerbil Dating in Saudi Arabia...
GERBIL DATING PROTOCOLS
wHETHER u LIVE IN LIBERAL cALIFORNIA WHERE INTER SPECIES DATING IS COMMON
OR visiting Jihad where eroticism is imported only during the summer, UR
sure to run across someone who has dated a gerbil... like actor Richard
Gere.
Richard (or "the dickster" to his amigos) ended up in the hospital ER due
to his NOT following these simple protocols: his string broke!
Many who have walked past a pet shop and felt a strange arousal at the site
of a gerbil in the window have felt guilty for it and have gone home never
to know the pleasures of a human/gerbil relationship.
However once U have mastered Gerbil dating, U will thank the Gerbil God for
directing you to read this:
First, after purchase allow the Gerbil to spend some private time alone
while he (or she) makes them self more attractive for you. Simply provide
everything your Gerbil needs to look attractive. Get these items when you
make your Gerbil purchase. Think Gerbil harem.
Why not bring your Gerbil a little gift... like a Wynn wheel... show your
Gerbil U care.
Take it to a seed shop for dinner.
Later that night, home alone with your Gerbil... show it your snake... blow
marijuana smoke in its face and pour alcohol down its gullet... when your G
is feeling really good quickly anesthetize it. De fang, dewclaw, and
de-fur it
(de-furring is optional).
Very Important: Tie a string around its little neck. Make sure the string
is strong & tight... so you don't loose a good friend.
Now liberally cover Mr. G with KY jelly and place him in the ice box until
frozen... hard.
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Death is waiting fo your Girbel
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HaHAHAHaHa , incredible Doc ,you make me laugh , really , you should have worked with Disney , at a higher schale of course
, but really you are a comedian with an unbelievable imagination , you little Jerry.
When i compare your philosophy to Hilmar's , i archive his and keep yours in front of my eyes , HeHe just to remember that
gibberish exists even if denied.
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I can see that the religious nuts are up to their standards of delirium :)
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' Evil is necessary to define good , therefore evil is good "
I liked that . It is a personal wish that you elaborate on this Doc , it is the first time i see you as reasoning into some philo.
discussion.
Define evil and lets have a chat about your preferred angel.
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My dear Luca ( your name inspires , one of the greatest disciples ) Nuts exist everywhere , and they are not all religious. You will
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I was reading some of the articles that Doc is so proud of and was surprised how we all think alike. In an article about same sex
marriage , the author couldnt but repeat ' straight marriage ' when talking about a normal marriage between a man and a woman .
One could eazily detect how difficult for her it was to ' neutraly ' present this issue especially when talking about money , thing
that turned out to be a common factor between straight and weird marriages.
Something else attracted my attention , a photo of two lesbians taking care of two small girls.
Cant be cerain if they were their daughters or adopted ones but what first occured to me is how will those two little girls grow up
, will they also become lesbians or will their pretended to be mothers teach them how to behave in ' straight ' life , too many
questions pomped out which makes one quiet certain that this kind of life , men with men or women with women , will not only
be meaningless but it will also create a world that is built on an illusion , a fantasy that someone has become attached to. If those
little girls were one of those women children then she must have had sex with a man before the alteration took place , then there
must be a reason for this alteration that science can look into and solve.
If we remain attached to the idea that it is a liberal way of life , not attached to a religion or sect , rather a social behaviour that
differs from a ' straight ' one , why not try to 'straighten ' out our social behaviour. Getting attached to some scientific hypothisis
that is not proved will lead us nowhere except keep running without any destination in mind , just running , getting away from
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Eisa, If I got it right you say Islam is not a tradition but the understanding of a tradition. Does this mean that it is a starting point
from where philosophizing may begin? Then, it would be quite similar to, e.g. the Christian scholastic Anselm of Canterburry
saying "fides quaerens intellectum" and "credo ut intelligam." In English: Faith seeking the intellect, or understanding. And "I
give my heart (sc. to God) in order to understand. Isn't it what "islam" means? Isn't submitting to God to give him my heart?
Why has Ibn Rushd and, after him, the Christian Thomas Aquino focused on the theoretician Aristotle? The Christian tradition
prior to it was Platonic. For,if i am correct, the origin of the term faith as a matter of trust cannot be found in the Hebrew Bible,
but rather in the Platonic Socrates.The Hebrew bible has argued in terms of, e.g., Abraham's reliability, as far as abiding by the
rules that the treaty of the alliance between, e.g., God and Abraham has imposed on both of God and Abraham.
Then, the Jewish Christian Paul has called Abraham the father of faith as a matter of trust. He wrote in Greek, thereby
immediately addressing educated Hellenists who, like himself have learnt to read and to write in Greek through studying the
oeuvre of Plato. Hence, he could be content with alluding to Plato's oeuvre without quoting it, while he explicitly quoted the
Septuagint, i.e. the Greek translation of the Hebrew bible. In this context, Paul's immediate readers were familiar with the
concept of trust/faith from the Platonic Socrates: 1. He answered skepticism with his professions to trust, rather than by
knowledge claims. 2. In his doctrine of the soul, trust is not only an (invisible and incorruptible) idea having its seat within the
soul, but as well the condition of the possibility of souls. For it is the synthesis from two other components of the soul that,
without trust, would not be connected. And these components are sensuality having no speech (logos) and understanding having
logos, but being not sensual. Now trust unites the two in being sensual and having speech (logos). This division of the soul
parallels the division of the human body into the lower part below the waist, the chest area with the heart in its center and the
head. This doctrine of the soul marks the tradition in which there is talk about the heart in its figurative sense of being the power
of having trust, or of being able to islam.
Since trust is an idea, which means the invisible perfect incorruptible model of all its visible copies that are imperfect and
corrupt. In this sense, only the invisible and incorruptible God can have perfect trust, while visible and corrupt human beings
cannot have it. Nevertheless, their trust in the invisible and incorruptible God is the trust in them that comes closest to the perfect
trust that only God can have. Hence, we should not overcharge other visible corrupt creatures with our trust as well as ourselves,
because, in doing this, we put our relationship to them at stake. Only the incorruptible God cannot be overcharged by our trust in
him. In other words, only God can take our islam (surrender). These third person judgments, however, do not stand on its own,
but rather on my profession to having trust in God.
There is no equivalent to this reflection .on trust in the theoretician Aristotle who, as far as I am familiar with him, has reasoned
by third person judgments alone. Accordingly, his god, the unmoved mover, is a principle rather than the personal.God of
Judaism, Christendom and Islam. We, however, have trust in God as a person, or soul, who, as such, mirrors those three
components of the soul that are united into one soul by trust.
Do you agree with me so far or not. All of this is what I understand about the consensus of those who have trust in God, in which
consensus they can recognize their trust in God and from there, also their trust in visible corrupt creatures. .
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Hilmer welcome .....
Islam is a different TRUTH ; It is neither tradition nor modernized philosophical .....It can be a "Modern Holy Wisdom" it is the
religion of yesterday, today, tomorrow and for the Day After Death ....
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Again
Islam is a pure religion as it is inspired by God "Allah" To Prophets Mohammed same as Previous Holy Scriptures of Abraham,
Torah of Moses & Injil of Jesus have been Inspired.
Torah and Injil have been changed by human so they became useless.
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Just focus on the Main Mission of Islam " Worship of God the Only One God the Great Creator" = Proved that Only Islam Is
Still Original Pure Truth
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I was reading some of the articles that Doc is so proud of and was surprised how we all think alike. In an article about same sex
marriage , the author couldnt but repeat ' straight marriage ' when talking about a normal marriage between a man and a woman .
One could eazily detect how difficult for her it was to ' neutraly ' present this issue especially when talking about money , thing
that turned out to be a common factor between straight and weird marriages.
Something else attracted my attention , a photo of two lesbians taking care of two small girls.
Cant be cerain if they were their daughters or adopted ones but what first occured to me is how will those two little girls grow up
, will they also become lesbians or will their pretended to be mothers teach them how to behave in ' straight ' life , too many
questions pomped out which makes one quiet certain that this kind of life , men with men or women with women , will not only
be meaningless but it will also create a world that is built on an illusion , a fantasy that someone has become attached to. If those
little girls were one of those women children then she must have had sex with a man before the alteration took place , then there
must be a reason for this alteration that science can look into and solve.
If we remain attached to the idea that it is a liberal way of life , not attached to a religion or sect , rather a social behaviour that
differs from a ' straight ' one , why not try to 'straighten ' out our social behaviour. Getting attached to some scientific hypothisis
that is not proved will lead us nowhere except keep running without any destination in mind , just running , getting away from
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Eisa, If I got it right you say Islam is not a tradition but the understanding of a tradition. Does this mean that it is a starting point
from where philosophizing may begin? Then, it would be quite similar to, e.g. the Christian scholastic Anselm of Canterburry
saying "fides quaerens intellectum" and "credo ut intelligam." In English: Faith seeking the intellect, or understanding. And "I
give my heart (sc. to God) in order to understand. Isn't it what "islam" means? Isn't submitting to God to give him my heart?
Why has Ibn Rushd and, after him, the Christian Thomas Aquino focused on the theoretician Aristotle? The Christian tradition
prior to it was Platonic. For,if i am correct, the origin of the term faith as a matter of trust cannot be found in the Hebrew Bible,
but rather in the Platonic Socrates.The Hebrew bible has argued in terms of, e.g., Abraham's reliability, as far as abiding by the
rules that the treaty of the alliance between, e.g., God and Abraham has imposed on both of God and Abraham.
Then, the Jewish Christian Paul has called Abraham the father of faith as a matter of trust. He wrote in Greek, thereby
immediately addressing educated Hellenists who, like himself have learnt to read and to write in Greek through studying the
oeuvre of Plato. Hence, he could be content with alluding to Plato's oeuvre without quoting it, while he explicitly quoted the
Septuagint, i.e. the Greek translation of the Hebrew bible. In this context, Paul's immediate readers were familiar with the
concept of trust/faith from the Platonic Socrates: 1. He answered skepticism with his professions to trust, rather than by
knowledge claims. 2. In his doctrine of the soul, trust is not only an (invisible and incorruptible) idea having its seat within the
soul, but as well the condition of the possibility of souls. For it is the synthesis from two other components of the soul that,
without trust, would not be connected. And these components are sensuality having no speech (logos) and understanding having
logos, but being not sensual. Now trust unites the two in being sensual and having speech (logos). This division of the soul
parallels the division of the human body into the lower part below the waist, the chest area with the heart in its center and the
head. This doctrine of the soul marks the tradition in which there is talk about the heart in its figurative sense of being the power
of having trust, or of being able to islam.
Since trust is an idea, which means the invisible perfect incorruptible model of all its visible copies that are imperfect and
corrupt. In this sense, only the invisible and incorruptible God can have perfect trust, while visible and corrupt human beings
cannot have it. Nevertheless, their trust in the invisible and incorruptible God is the trust in them that comes closest to the perfect
trust that only God can have. Hence, we should not overcharge other visible corrupt creatures with our trust as well as ourselves,
because, in doing this, we put our relationship to them at stake. Only the incorruptible God cannot be overcharged by our trust in
him. In other words, only God can take our islam (surrender). These third person judgments, however, do not stand on its own,
but rather on my profession to having trust in God.
There is no equivalent to this reflection .on trust in the theoretician Aristotle who, as far as I am familiar with him, has reasoned
by third person judgments alone. Accordingly, his god, the unmoved mover, is a principle rather than the personal.God of
Judaism, Christendom and Islam. We, however, have trust in God as a person, or soul, who, as such, mirrors those three
components of the soul that are united into one soul by trust.
Do you agree with me so far or not. All of this is what I understand about the consensus of those who have trust in God, in which
consensus they can recognize their trust in God and from there, also their trust in visible corrupt creatures. .
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Hilmer welcome .....
Islam is a different TRUTH ; It is neither tradition nor modernized philosophical .....It can be a "Modern Holy Wisdom" it is the
religion of yesterday, today, tomorrow and for the Day After Death ....
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Human can't change, human less than be able to change, edit, develop even a letter of a word in versus with keeping the similar
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Again
Islam is a pure religion as it is inspired by God "Allah" To Prophets Mohammed same as Previous Holy Scriptures of Abraham,
Torah of Moses & Injil of Jesus have been Inspired.
Torah and Injil have been changed by human so they became useless.
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Just focus on the Main Mission of Islam " Worship of God the Only One God the Great Creator" = Proved that Only Islam Is
Still Original Pure Truth
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Evil - good of sexuality in Islam compare to human democracy ....special for Doc
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Evil - good of sexuality in Islam compare to human democracy ....special for Doc
For Muslims, the institution of marriage based on mutuality of natural interest and cordiality between spouses represents a
sublime manifestation of the Divine Will and Purpose. This is discernible in the Qur’anic verse cited below:
‫َومِ نْ آيَاتِ ِه أَنْ َخلَقَ لَ ُكم ِأمنْ أَنفُ ِسكُ ْم أ َ ْز َواجا ِلأتَ ْس ُكنُوا ِإلَ ْي َها َو َج َع َل بَ ْينَ ُكم َّم َودَّة َو َرحْ َمة‬
And one of His signs is that He created mates for you, that you may find rest in them, and He envisaged between you love and
compassion ... (Quran, 30:21)
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The celibacy of Jesus Christ ...
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GOOD AND EVIL in World Scripture & Islam
World Scripture
http://unification.net/ws/theme058.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(concept)
Good and Evil in Islam
Alphonse Dougan
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http://www.fountainmagazine.com/Issue/detail/Good-and-Evil-in-Islam
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Jesus (PBUH) In Quran
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Part of Truth of Islamic Philosophy of Unity
Philosophy & philosphers exposed...FUNNY Sh. Yasir Qadhi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NICr4mSPVTo
Robert Wisnovsky: Technology Reviving Islamic Philosophy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg0HjdxKHjM
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Your happy food in my posts
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As to the questions,Doc , you are a professional , i wish you join this discussion , give us some serious opinion and stop your
never ending sarcasm.
Yes and no , sometimes , can give you a lot of answers to your last question.
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Support Studies & References to My Philosophy:
Major Points in Islamic Philosophy
http://islam.uga.edu/philosophy.html
Dictionary of Islamic Philosophical Terms
Introduction:
This dictionary is an aid to the readers of Muslim philosophical works that are in Arabic. It includes most of the terminology that
was developed by Muslim philosophers in their works and the terms that they borrowed -and sometimes translated- from Greek
(Hellenistic), Syraic, Persian and Indian philosophical works. Also included are concepts that are Islamic but of a philosophical
nature and were used by Muslim philosophers.
The dictionary also includes the Arabized names of the philosophers and scientist of Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Persian and
Indian Origin -namely those that worked with Helenistic and Indo-Persian works of science, mathematics and philosophy.
At times it only includes the names of the non-Muslim scholars and little else, as very little is known about them. Also the Greek
schools of thoughts are included and briefly defined. There are philosophers and ideas that were erroneously attributed by the
philosophers who worked in Arabic -Muslim and non-Muslim- and that is brought to light. An example of this is some the works
of Poltinus was attributed to Aristotle.
This dictionary is based on the work by Prof. M. Saeed Sheikh "Dictionary of Muslim Philosophy" published by the Institute of
Islamic Culture -of Lahore, Pakistan- first published in 1970. For the web it has been updated with corrections and additions as
needed as there was some missing terms that were alluded to in the text but are missing. Professor Alparslan Acikgenc of Fatih
University, Turkey, a user of this dictionary of many years, has kindly provided us with many additional terms and they are
marked as such with (AnAc).
Disclaimer:
Pure Arabic or strictly Fiqhi (including Islamic concepts) and Sufi terminology are NOT included in this dictionary. Also if you
are looking for Arabic Names - male or female- this is not the place for it.
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Evil - Good
Ask Yourself Two Questions:
1. Do you believe that all humans have an instinct to benefit themselves?
1. Do you believe that all humans, to the extent that they suffer, instinctually seek to relieve their suffering?
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WHAT IS THE CIA DOING ABOUT ISLAM? They have taken a lesson from the
Romans who wrote the New Testament to pacify the Jews.
They found a new pacifist Messiah in Jesus. The CIA intends to find a new
non-violent Messiah for Muslims.
This new Islamic Messiah will be a woman!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2KONcLKQU&feature=youtu.be#!
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My daughter is a Sufi!
When my daughter first shared with me that she wanted to try smoking. I
told her about my experience visiting a cigarette factory and watching
tobacco become brown sludge with over 400 different chemicals added and
then being put through more processes to make it look more like tobacco
again.
And then I asked her to go to the Internet and get all the info she could
about tobacco and I'd buy her a pack of American Spirit.
To my surprise she came back with info and still wanted to try it. So we
arranged a time and a place to do it.
She inhaled... she coughed... she laughed... she got a little dizzy... she
liked that... she got a little more dizzy... she didn't like that... then
she got nauseous... she really didn't like that...
She said: why do people do it!
They like the dizzy feeling... the nausea dissipates after awhile... but
you know there is another way to get dizzy: spinning!
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What did she smoke Doc ?
To become a Sufi , well my friend you have one hell of girl. :)
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Sufism is where it's at Islamic wise! U should emphasize that spinning
more... the spiritual component lies beyond getting dizzy.
Look at how much spinning this potential Sufi convert does in her
exercises.
"There's a co-connected heat... struggling, stretching for the beat...
never stopping with her head against the wind..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NjbGr2nk2c
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What is an extreme atheist? You are either atheist or you are not. A person may have extreme views and also be an atheist, but
that does not make that person an extreme atheist.
The definition of atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of a supernatural being who is referred to as God or
Allah or any other of the names that man has defined as the supreme, or only deity. That is the complete definition. Anything else
that is tacked onto that word is meaningless in terms of the definition. A person of religion may practice a little or a lot. There are
levels of belief and practice. Not so with atheism. There are no shades of atheism.
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A person may also be antitheist, or against religion. That person may have degrees of how this antitheist philosophy is expressed.
From rational to radical. An antitheist is not necessarily an atheist by the way. That person might just believe that organized
religions are doing it all wrong. Wrong dogma, wrong belief, and wrong practices.
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Ask Yourself Two Questions:
1. Do you believe that all humans have an instinct to benefit themselves?
1. Do you believe that all humans, to the extent that they suffer, instinctually seek to relieve their suffering?
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Romans who wrote the New Testament to pacify the Jews.
They found a new pacifist Messiah in Jesus. The CIA intends to find a new
non-violent Messiah for Muslims.
This new Islamic Messiah will be a woman!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2KONcLKQU&feature=youtu.be#!
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My daughter is a Sufi!
When my daughter first shared with me that she wanted to try smoking. I
told her about my experience visiting a cigarette factory and watching
tobacco become brown sludge with over 400 different chemicals added and
then being put through more processes to make it look more like tobacco
again.
And then I asked her to go to the Internet and get all the info she could
about tobacco and I'd buy her a pack of American Spirit.
To my surprise she came back with info and still wanted to try it. So we
arranged a time and a place to do it.
She inhaled... she coughed... she laughed... she got a little dizzy... she
liked that... she got a little more dizzy... she didn't like that... then
she got nauseous... she really didn't like that...
She said: why do people do it!
They like the dizzy feeling... the nausea dissipates after awhile... but
you know there is another way to get dizzy: spinning!
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What did she smoke Doc ?
To become a Sufi , well my friend you have one hell of girl. :)
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Sufism is where it's at Islamic wise! U should emphasize that spinning
more... the spiritual component lies beyond getting dizzy.
Look at how much spinning this potential Sufi convert does in her
exercises.
"There's a co-connected heat... struggling, stretching for the beat...
never stopping with her head against the wind..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NjbGr2nk2c
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What is an extreme atheist? You are either atheist or you are not. A person may have extreme views and also be an atheist, but
that does not make that person an extreme atheist.
The definition of atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of a supernatural being who is referred to as God or
Allah or any other of the names that man has defined as the supreme, or only deity. That is the complete definition. Anything else
that is tacked onto that word is meaningless in terms of the definition. A person of religion may practice a little or a lot. There are
levels of belief and practice. Not so with atheism. There are no shades of atheism.
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A person may also be antitheist, or against religion. That person may have degrees of how this antitheist philosophy is expressed.
From rational to radical. An antitheist is not necessarily an atheist by the way. That person might just believe that organized
religions are doing it all wrong. Wrong dogma, wrong belief, and wrong practices.
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I am saying the truth ....Death Proves Itself = Death Fact To Everyone ....It it true ?
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Morality came from moral the religion is it true ?
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Have U ever seen a dead body decay? Ever wonder what it was thinking?
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Eisa have you ever heard of a forensic farm? Universities usually operate
them. They acquire dead bodies from people who donate their body to
science.
They leave the body out n the open under many different conditions.
Medical examiners. for example, can tell how long a corpse has been out in
the woods by the number of maggots in its mouth. The they can testify in
court... etc...
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Islam teach us every things before you learn such silly science
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All the modern sciences and technologies that you recently are already explained in Quran and discovered by Muslim Scientists
during Islamic Gokden Ages 6-1700
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Eisa... it's getting to be orgy time!
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Eisa, how could evolutionary biology be explained in a 15 hundred year old document...doesn't that defy any kind of logic?. I
like old books but not on modern science...but there is a 23 hundred year old book by a Roman pagan that defined evolution and
mentioned the atom. It is one of the most important books in history.
You have to excuse me, but Doc, Ken, and Peter W. and I are descendants of hominids. How much we as a group have evolved
beyond Lucy is a real question. Oh, by the way, Lucy did not survive on bananas, that is a myth. Now there is the new guy, skull
#5. We haven't proved that we as a group have evolved beyond him, an that was 1.8 million years ago. Sorry to generalize, but I
want some respect for our elders.
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Indeed, science is silly, that is why I was in Liberal Arts....not silly but I didn't understand it. There is not genetic evidence for the
Garden of Eden, absolutely none. It was great 3 or 4 thousand years ago, but today it is regarded than no than a myth. Stay away
from books on evolutionary biology, they will only corrupt your mind.
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Eisa have you ever heard of a forensic farm? Universities usually operate
them. They acquire dead bodies from people who donate their body to
science.
They leave the body out n the open under many different conditions.
Medical examiners. for example, can tell how long a corpse has been out in
the woods by the number of maggots in its mouth. The they can testify in
court... etc...
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All the modern sciences and technologies that you recently are already explained in Quran and discovered by Muslim Scientists
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Eisa... it's getting to be orgy time!
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Eisa, how could evolutionary biology be explained in a 15 hundred year old document...doesn't that defy any kind of logic?. I
like old books but not on modern science...but there is a 23 hundred year old book by a Roman pagan that defined evolution and
mentioned the atom. It is one of the most important books in history.
You have to excuse me, but Doc, Ken, and Peter W. and I are descendants of hominids. How much we as a group have evolved
beyond Lucy is a real question. Oh, by the way, Lucy did not survive on bananas, that is a myth. Now there is the new guy, skull
#5. We haven't proved that we as a group have evolved beyond him, an that was 1.8 million years ago. Sorry to generalize, but I
want some respect for our elders.
o
o
o
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Indeed, science is silly, that is why I was in Liberal Arts....not silly but I didn't understand it. There is not genetic evidence for the
Garden of Eden, absolutely none. It was great 3 or 4 thousand years ago, but today it is regarded than no than a myth. Stay away
from books on evolutionary biology, they will only corrupt your mind.
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If there anything wrong due to interest. tradiion, norm not to Islam never
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Regarding absolute freedom no way for both man and women .. aby absolute means more personal interests cause huge social,
econoal, illegal problems as the West have....
All the current worldwide laws drive from teachings of religions with perdonal changes cause tribes for humans and humanity ...
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Why women half to wear short cloths while men warning long cloths .. !!!!!??? silty oppose of oldest styles
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Vital questions;
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Why Women half to wear short cloths while Men warning long cloths . !!!?? Is this a part of democracy !!?
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"Would she be able to find gainful employment, walk as an equal among all
others?"
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NO! She has to petition one of the ruling princes' for 'alimony'.
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Eisa, you live in a very conservative part of the world. In Turkey and Indonesia they have a civilian legal system that goes well
beyond Sharia. The Turkish women's volley ball team played in shorts at the Olympics. We are impacted by our environment and
must realize that cultures vary greatly. I studied something of ME history and that has helped me understand the differences.
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A lot of butch lesbians like to see their girlie girl friends walk down the
street in high heels and short skirt. It puts them in the mood to lick
some carpet.
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Doc and Ron welcome
I think you have some misunderstanding regarding the right Islamic teachings and still hold the extremist and old
undserstanding... Islam guarantee the rights and freedom of every member in the family, nation, society with one ideal
condition:
" keeping goodness relationship and impacts-avoiding badness, harmful..."
Women have the right to education, to work...to drive. . to travel, to be business.., to accept or reject marriage, to judge their
husbands, fathers, mothers...." if they don't get their rights.
Before about 25 years Saudi women were working in the farms hand by hand with their relatives, were alone ride horses, camels,
donkeys and drive cars...
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Due to social and cultural traditions, norms and complexity of family social live with few religious misunderstandings women
faced difficult to keep tjeur defined rights in Islam .... " be continue "
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More than half... or almost half... or a great number... or more than
expected of all women in competitive sports are lesbian
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Eisa, societies are partly controlled by religion, but there are cultural realities, many of which depend on economics and other
things. Personally, I think environment and history play a large role. A nomad in Somalia has a much different idea of justice
than someone in New York City. Technology has a real impact on the role of women. Technology requires brain work and not
physical strength.
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NO... no... no... NO... by royal proclamation women may not drive or do the
other things like go to the moon.
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All lesbains and gays are sick ...in doubt
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The date was 1974, the place was the American Psychiatric Association, SF
Convention Center, one psychiatrist came dancing up to the Head Chair with
his male wife and said I'm tired of my clients finding out that I'm gay and
blackmailing me for not being in therapy.
Cuz if a psych is mentally ill he has to be in therapy to practice and
being a homo bacjk then meant you were sick.
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Eisa,
Why do you say that lesbians and homosexuals are sick? This type of sexual preference occurs naturally in nature in most species
of animals. It naturally occurs in a small percentage of humans as well. It is a genetic tendency, not a sickness in the ordinary
sense of the word. This has been hard for lots of people to accept, but it is a scientific fact.
As of the type of clothes that a person wears, there is nothing prohibiting either men or women from wearing short clothes in the
west. It is the choice of each person.
Choice is the touchstone of modern western society. The separation of religion from daily life. You may chose to belong to a
particular religion, but you may not impose your religious beliefs on another person. What they do is up to them, so long as it is
within the laws that have been enacted by civil code. More and more, the laws are being modified to allow freedom of adult
behaviour so long as that behaviour is not injurious to other people. Therefore there are laws that protect children, elderly and so
on.
The problem with religious rules and laws is that there is no uniform way to revise them, to interpret them nor to allow for fair
assessment as to the application of the those religious laws.
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Who is the ultimate arbitrator for Islam, or Sharia law? There is no supreme court. Therefore there are lots of cases of the law
being misapplied, misused and misinterpreted.
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- No they are NOT occurs naturally NEVER
- Marriage 'man to womwan' is the natural
- Humans are human being NOT animal or apes man this the biggest mistake that you gollow sily Darwin theory
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Eisa, I am sorry but you are just wrong. You can say what you want but you are wrong. It does occur naturally. You may
disagree, but that would just be your opinion and in the face of the scientific evidence to the opposite, your opinion is just simply
wrong.
Humans are just another kind of animal. We have all the same organs, same tissue and the same genetic material. This is not
Darwinian theory, it is biology. I am beginning to think that you do no know what the word truth means. Truth is not what you
think, it is what is in fact supported by the evidence of what is and what is not. Humans are part of the species called mammals.
We carry the young in a womb, the females lactate to nurture the infant, We are part of a bigger family called vertebrates, we
have a spine and internal skeleton. Our organs are the same as other mammals, heart lungs, liver, spleen and so on. Our blood is
the same chemically and organically with small differences. Differences that are similar to differences between other species.
We share over 90% of the same genes as a chimpanzee. This is not to say that we descended from chimpanzees, but rather we
had a common ancestor.
As far as Darwin goes, you would do well to examine the evidence of evolution, because it is all around you. The common cold
is an example. It keeps changing through evolution. This is true of the flu and many other diseases. It is true of the breeds of
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dogs, cats, cattle and many other domestic animals. Humans have learned to use the genetic differences of these animals to breed
types of dogs, for example, that have different characteristics. Many of these breeds did not exist 200 years ago. The evidence is
right before your eyes, you just have to look.
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Our DNA is over 90% identical with chimps (and some now are saying even higher for bonobos). Our DNA is 88% identical
with the Mouse (Mus musculus). 73% identical with the Zebrafish (Danio rerio), roughly 80-84% identical with horses and dogs,
69% identical with the Platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus), 65% identical with the Chicken (Gallus gallus), 44% identical with
the Honeybee (Apis mellifera), 47% identical with the Fruit fly (Drosophila melanogaster), 38% identical with the round worm,
24% identical with rice (Oryza staiva), and 18% identical with yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae).
You see, we all came from a common ancestor. All life as we know it - from humans to banana trees, to dinosaurs, to amoeba
have four bases in common: adenine, guanine, thymine, and cytosine.
Scientists have already found evidence of amino acids on Near Earth Objects. Now they are looking for organic molecules on
Mars. More than likely we will find organic molecules elsewhere in the universe and this will mean that life probably has
evolved through Darwinian natural selection on other planets as well. Of course, this means that all of our sky-gods we have
invented are fun myths to play around with (and unfortunately kill one another over).
Humans have evolved today with all the good and all the bad. Our mating rituals, love, rape, genocide, medicine, art, religion, the
ability to lie, etc. have all evolved through Darwinian natural selection from molecules and single celled organisms over an
incomprehensible amount of time.
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Our "culture" is nothing but a veneer or a front to cover up the fact that we have equal parts hatred and love inside us...to cover
over the fact that there is not much separating us from animals...although we would like to think there is: primarily to protect us
from thinking about that which we would rather not know all too clearly.
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No way it is fact not just opinion ...homosexual and gays sre not natural ...never ...it is silly human made to be like animals
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Elisa,
Homosexuality is something that is seen in many animals. In fact, there is growing evidence that there are strong biological
factors that occur in utero that trigger a masculinized brain in females and a feminized brain in males. These occur due to an
excessive amount of androgen or testosterone in utero - some studies say this occurs in the second trimester...other studies
suggest that this occurs in the first trimester. There is also evidence of genetic and multifactorial causes as well.
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But, I'm sorry to say, the information you have about homosexuality not being "natural" is more of a belief and not tied to
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What this ...Every day I notice something strange. ..marriage is the natural only marriage " woman to man" only.
It is steange to support man have sex with man and woman wuth woman ??????!!!!!!!!
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Elisa, do you know about the biological causes of homosexuality?
If it is biologically related (and it is), then homosexuality is not a moral issue, but rather a diversity issue.
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Science is never wrong !
Science respected for several decades that olive oil is bad for the human health , whether virgin or processed or even cooked until
some few decades ago when it was scientifically proven that olive oil is the best 'lubricator' for human veins , no more
cholesterol nor uric acid.
So , for several years , science was wrong and the Quoran was right . The Quoran always mentioned that olives , olive oil and
honey are best for human beings health. They all tried other substitutes but never could prove the contrary.
I was watching once the oldest man on earth , who reached around 125 years old when they asked him about his secret even
though he used to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes/day , his answer was that every day , when he wakes up , he takes a big spoon of
honey and then a cup of olive oil.
You know , sometimes this illiterate do teach us some wise medicine.
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Very good Nasser
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The oldest illiterate man can teach Darwin and Freud on the reality of humans creation, right, legal and humanity sexual life
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We debated the fallacy theory of Darwin and end that "We Are Not Came From Apes man...We Are Independent Human kind
Created From Adam & Eve" ....
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Who still hold the fallacy concept of Darwin have the right to remain animal practice homosexual as they like...it is their choice
But We Are Not
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Please do not compare . Darwin and Freud are simple readers who made conclusions on the readings they made , while the
illiterate comes from a desert with plenty of pagans around , he used to shepherd herds , like the herds we see today , follow the
watchdog , no more no less.
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Nobody in their right mind would compare Darwin and Freud. Freud's ideas are largely scoffed at and lack empirical support.
Above all, his theories, like religion, lack falsifiability and are regarded as practically mythological.
Darwin is a whole other story, however. There is ample scientific evidence that unwaveringly supports natural selection.
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That fact that anyone would lump Darwin and Freud in the same category is testimony to all too much.
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I agree with you but may be the followers mislead their original sciences, whatever, the first mislead humanity to thin that they
can practice homosexual like animals and second born the term homosexual
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" Nobody in their right mind would compare Darwin and Freud's ideas " Where is Doc ?
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Every Human Theory have Falsifies or misrepresents
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Normal from Doc ....anyway both have rights and falsies
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Reza, It isn't even Darwin anymore, it is probably best described and evolutionary biology. If there ever was an Adam and Eve, I
assume they could be readily be identified through DNA/genes. The evident for evolution is overwhelming and even most
churches have dropped Adam and Eve as any kind to true story.
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Eisa, I guarantee there are people practicing homosexuality in the Middle East. Gays are a percentage of any population...denial
lasts for a while but for some reason all societies have gays.
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Nasser, I am not a psychoanalyst. I have a Masters in Psychology and I do not have any speciality training beyond that. To
answer your question of what I believe: The word 'believe' can mean different things. I believe a molecule of water has 2 atoms
of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen in it. I don't believe that pumpkins can turn into coaches nor do I believe it is possible for an
old man to build a boat and go to the four corners of the earth to get 2 of every animal to fit on this boat in one life time without
any power tools (by the way, how did the two kangaroo get to Australia from Mt. Ararat?).
I believe that if information comes along that shows that a molecule of water is different than what scientists know it to be, I'll
change my mind about it based on evidence.
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Sometimes I wish a tree limb would fall on my head and I would wake up believing in one of these sky-gods. I would have a
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Yes Reza but sometimes science was not totally correct and had to be adjusted or researched or reviewed or even deleted.
Theories in science are always present , medicines have always been subject of mistakes and recalls have been made , this is the
truth of modern science . No more than marketing and profiting and the sharks can always deny their involvement in fake
medicines .
You believe in them but deny god. That's your problem not mine.
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Nasser, I have never denied that science has been wrong. Of course it has. And when they learn what is correct, they admit errors
and redirect their knowledge. Religions do not do this. They claim absolute truth without a shred of evidence.
I don't deny god, I simply do not think there is any evidence at the present time to suggest that there is a reasonable possibility
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that a being from beyond time and space created everything. And there is even less evidence to suggest that any group of people
know what this god's name is. What a joke.
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Let me ask the Muslims here, what does the Quran say about dumping garbage in space? Or about how to deal with AIDS? How
does the Quran suggest we handle things like emitting too many fossil fuels in space as we fly to Mars? Is this immoral? How do
we know? What does the Quran say about stem cell research? Too bad the all mighty deities did not add how to feed the millions
of starving children in the world. You'd think someone as all powerful would have added that in there somewhere.
You know the device you are using to communicate with right now? God did not create it. Scientists did.
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what do you mean by scientific evidence?
The only evidence I can see in science is.technological success. This,. however, is a quite limited success, if you take into
account that the price for those successes are changes of our environment with side effects that, in the thought framework off
technological success cannot be foreseen. As the environmental crisis suggests it, they may putt at risk the survival of human
civilization. Hence, we would need sustainable sciences. And this means those of which we can be sure that they do not put
human civilization at risk. For, otherwise, it digs its own grave.
To my mind, thus, the remaining evidence is that science has the effect of changing the reality in which we live on many levels
without evidence that, thereby, the nature of things can be known, as it is objectively, or in itself, i.e., without the interference of
human subjects. Consequently, there is evidence to me that doing sciences through carrying out their proceedings, need to be
justified by that it really serves the common good of the world in which we live. Instead, those changes apparently serve partial
interests either of money or of those who have fun in doing science, or even of countries who in different ways profit from the
work of science, while other countries may be left behind. And this corresponds to that the procedures of modern science do not
contain those that would do that job of justification. For sciences are still conceived as mere theories that only describe, or
determine what is, as it is in itself without the interference of human subjects
and their interests.
Take the example of Darwinian biology that you have quoted yourself! Its principle of the survival of the fittest is declared to be
proven by the technological successes of genetics and consequently of modern technological medicine. Whether or not, thereby,
human beings in their totality are healed in the sense of being restored where they had become sick remains an open question,
since what is in the focus of medicine following genetics is the "atomic" construction of human bodies from cells, or
reconstruction in the case of damage. For some diseases, the "atomic" procedure of reconstruction apparently satisfies the
patients, as e.g. in cases of surgery or repairing bone fractures, and not for other diseases as, e.g. in cases of cancer. And this may
be explained by the fact that, e.g. in the case of bone fractures, or of the removal of, e.g. gall bladder stones, it can be relied on
the self healing forces that according to human experience, take over in the case of sufficient support. In the case of cancer,
however, human experience is not so clear about how to mobilize the body's self-healing forces, which shows by the fact that
medicine relies on statistics that tell us very little about the individual patient.
Cases of cancer may remind us on the ancient wisdom that the whole, e.g., the entire human being, is more than the sum of its
parts, e.g. of the cells making up the human body. Hence, a human being -and even animal and plants- may be more that the sum
of the cells from which their bodies are composed. Therefore, there is no guaranty that the genetic repair of bodily damage from
the cells up can really heal a living being in its entirety. For there may be somehow a component which may contribute to that the
entirety of living beings that other cultures have called their soul. Hence, alternative forms of medicine focus on this component
with healing methods that support the assumed soul in keeping together and alive the bodies of living beings. The fact that
orthodox Western medicine does not work in a holistic manner, but rather in an "atomistic" manner does not prove anything in
this regard.
Evidently, Darwinian biology is a model of success for the "atomistic" approach of Western orthodox medicine. . But this does
not mean that, thereby, we know what life is in itself.
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most complex brain structure grown in a lab to date, researchers say. The
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Nasser, I am not a psychoanalyst. I have a Masters in Psychology and I do not have any speciality training beyond that. To
answer your question of what I believe: The word 'believe' can mean different things. I believe a molecule of water has 2 atoms
of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen in it. I don't believe that pumpkins can turn into coaches nor do I believe it is possible for an
old man to build a boat and go to the four corners of the earth to get 2 of every animal to fit on this boat in one life time without
any power tools (by the way, how did the two kangaroo get to Australia from Mt. Ararat?).
I believe that if information comes along that shows that a molecule of water is different than what scientists know it to be, I'll
change my mind about it based on evidence.
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Yes Reza but sometimes science was not totally correct and had to be adjusted or researched or reviewed or even deleted.
Theories in science are always present , medicines have always been subject of mistakes and recalls have been made , this is the
truth of modern science . No more than marketing and profiting and the sharks can always deny their involvement in fake
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Nasser, I have never denied that science has been wrong. Of course it has. And when they learn what is correct, they admit errors
and redirect their knowledge. Religions do not do this. They claim absolute truth without a shred of evidence.
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I don't deny god, I simply do not think there is any evidence at the present time to suggest that there is a reasonable possibility
that a being from beyond time and space created everything. And there is even less evidence to suggest that any group of people
know what this god's name is. What a joke.
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Let me ask the Muslims here, what does the Quran say about dumping garbage in space? Or about how to deal with AIDS? How
does the Quran suggest we handle things like emitting too many fossil fuels in space as we fly to Mars? Is this immoral? How do
we know? What does the Quran say about stem cell research? Too bad the all mighty deities did not add how to feed the millions
of starving children in the world. You'd think someone as all powerful would have added that in there somewhere.
You know the device you are using to communicate with right now? God did not create it. Scientists did.
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what do you mean by scientific evidence?
The only evidence I can see in science is.technological success. This,. however, is a quite limited success, if you take into
account that the price for those successes are changes of our environment with side effects that, in the thought framework off
technological success cannot be foreseen. As the environmental crisis suggests it, they may putt at risk the survival of human
civilization. Hence, we would need sustainable sciences. And this means those of which we can be sure that they do not put
human civilization at risk. For, otherwise, it digs its own grave.
To my mind, thus, the remaining evidence is that science has the effect of changing the reality in which we live on many levels
without evidence that, thereby, the nature of things can be known, as it is objectively, or in itself, i.e., without the interference of
human subjects. Consequently, there is evidence to me that doing sciences through carrying out their proceedings, need to be
justified by that it really serves the common good of the world in which we live. Instead, those changes apparently serve partial
interests either of money or of those who have fun in doing science, or even of countries who in different ways profit from the
work of science, while other countries may be left behind. And this corresponds to that the procedures of modern science do not
contain those that would do that job of justification. For sciences are still conceived as mere theories that only describe, or
determine what is, as it is in itself without the interference of human subjects
and their interests.
Take the example of Darwinian biology that you have quoted yourself! Its principle of the survival of the fittest is declared to be
proven by the technological successes of genetics and consequently of modern technological medicine. Whether or not, thereby,
human beings in their totality are healed in the sense of being restored where they had become sick remains an open question,
since what is in the focus of medicine following genetics is the "atomic" construction of human bodies from cells, or
reconstruction in the case of damage. For some diseases, the "atomic" procedure of reconstruction apparently satisfies the
patients, as e.g. in cases of surgery or repairing bone fractures, and not for other diseases as, e.g. in cases of cancer. And this may
be explained by the fact that, e.g. in the case of bone fractures, or of the removal of, e.g. gall bladder stones, it can be relied on
the self healing forces that according to human experience, take over in the case of sufficient support. In the case of cancer,
however, human experience is not so clear about how to mobilize the body's self-healing forces, which shows by the fact that
medicine relies on statistics that tell us very little about the individual patient.
Cases of cancer may remind us on the ancient wisdom that the whole, e.g., the entire human being, is more than the sum of its
parts, e.g. of the cells making up the human body. Hence, a human being -and even animal and plants- may be more that the sum
of the cells from which their bodies are composed. Therefore, there is no guaranty that the genetic repair of bodily damage from
the cells up can really heal a living being in its entirety. For there may be somehow a component which may contribute to that the
entirety of living beings that other cultures have called their soul. Hence, alternative forms of medicine focus on this component
with healing methods that support the assumed soul in keeping together and alive the bodies of living beings. The fact that
orthodox Western medicine does not work in a holistic manner, but rather in an "atomistic" manner does not prove anything in
this regard.
Evidently, Darwinian biology is a model of success for the "atomistic" approach of Western orthodox medicine. . But this does
not mean that, thereby, we know what life is in itself.
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most complex brain structure grown in a lab to date, researchers say. The
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In the United States it is illegal for therapy to change sexual orientation. First of all it does not work and secondly there have
been suicides.
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Ron, I did not know it was illegal. But it certainly is unethical.
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Reza, I think some states make it illegal. You might know, some very famous Psychologist apologized for having been a part of
that kind of therapy. Having been in an HR exec for years, at some point I decided that it is hardwired. It is good in the US that
public opinion has changed relatively quickly on this issue. Shows like Modern Family have impact.
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Vincent, all animals have a brain...it just so happens that ours have grown a great deal over the last (largely) million years. In San
Diego they have a museum with human skulls showing how they grew over the years. A large brain can be a disadvantage
because it burns so many calories. Many animals probably couldn't afford to have a big one unless they increased their nutrition
dramatically. Our brains use about 350 to 400 calories per day.
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You keep forgetting the BUTT Brain!
The up to the minute latest research is: we have brains in our butts!
What do U think about that... Is NIDA MRI-ing the wrong organ? Does
addiction start in the butt?
If I could save time in a bottle...
If I could put drugs up my ass...
I'd be putting them into the brain of my ass
In which they are turned into gas...
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In the United States it is illegal for therapy to change sexual orientation. First of all it does not work and secondly there have
been suicides.
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Ron, I did not know it was illegal. But it certainly is unethical.
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Reza, I think some states make it illegal. You might know, some very famous Psychologist apologized for having been a part of
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Vincent, all animals have a brain...it just so happens that ours have grown a great deal over the last (largely) million years. In San
Diego they have a museum with human skulls showing how they grew over the years. A large brain can be a disadvantage
because it burns so many calories. Many animals probably couldn't afford to have a big one unless they increased their nutrition
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You keep forgetting the BUTT Brain!
The up to the minute latest research is: we have brains in our butts!
What do U think about that... Is NIDA MRI-ing the wrong organ? Does
addiction start in the butt?
If I could save time in a bottle...
If I could put drugs up my ass...
I'd be putting them into the brain of my ass
In which they are turned into gas...
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Doc's Brain is One Of The Most Huge Evidence That Man Is Man Not Apes man ....Further Evidence Can Be Found In Holy
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Explore How Many Homosexual People Have Aids ......99% !!!!!
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Nasser@" Yes Reza but sometimes science was not totally correct ..."
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Not sometime but almost human science not totally correct.....give me one 100% Correct Human Theory in Evolution \
Revolution ....Just One ?!!!!
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Explore How Many Homosexual People Have Aids ......99% !!!!!
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Eisa U don't know what U R writing about... all you know is GAY stands for
Got AIDS Yet?
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Gay butt sex is a public health issue... but no one wants to talk about
it... even though it goes on non-stop 24/7 in SA... but as i have pointed
out before: not a word is spoken... so it's non-verbal butt sex.
Not talking about it can create Poo Babies!
Is it true that homosexuals can make poo babies? Here is what I've heard:
sooner or later practically every homosexual has anal sex, butt few
homosexuals know that unprotected "butt sex" can result in a child made out
of poo.
This is not to say that a child shaped poo is "delivered" whole from the
homosexuals butthole. The poo child's dimensions are shaped by hand from a
humongous turd, baked in the oven at 450 degrees for 4-6 hours or until
done. Then the child is fine detailed by hand while still warm and if to
be white, left in the sun to bleach.
After shaping & coloring, adding hair, teeth, fingernails, and other human
characteristics, the poo child is offered to Satan who breathes life into
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The world should know the end result of homosexual anal intercourse is a
poo baby... not a chocolate Santorum sundae... with nuts!
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The Kingdom in the Closet
Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes
there. Why it is “easier to be gay than straight” in a society where
everyone, homosexual and otherwise, lives in the closet
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NO WAY ...NO PLACE FOR ADULTERY & HOMOSEXUAL IN SAUDI ARABIA
- THE CLEAN LAND - THE HOLY LAND OF TRUTH & HUMANITY
- THE LAND OF HUMAN NOT THE Apes
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@Riza , you asked different questions about the capabilities of Islam , or scientifical definitions that the Quoran should have
been " aware of " , may i just draw your attention to the following :- " What does Islam have to say about dumping garbage in space ". I prefer to stay on earth and give you the example on
Mohammed when his neighbor , who was a jew at that time , profited out of Mohammed illness and started dumping his garbage
on the prophet's door. The visitors told him about his neighbor's acts , he asked them to leave him , let him do what he wants.
Recovering from his illness, the first thing he did was go visit his neighbor who was badly sick. He kept visiting him every day
until he was healed. The jew , surprised , found no garbage at his door step , asking his house mates about the garbage they told
him that Mohammed did pick the garbage every day on his way out. That is my example on Islam idea about dumping garbage in
outer space.
- " How to deal with aids " Prior finding a cure to an illness , science taught us to avoid the causes , prevent the illness from
occuring , take safety measures . The Quoran was clear about cases such as Aids and other sexual diseases . Abnormality is to be
avoided even with women . Cleanliness is very well defined in the five prayers washing before effecting them. My friend , Islam
left nothing to coincidence , he advised not to flirt with men but with women only , take care of your sexual organs until
marriage.Do not be hasty.Protect yourself , in the scientific meaning of the word.
- Flying to Mars was not an objective of mine but god said it clearly , he created earth , the stars and planets for us to use as
guiding lights. You may determine whatever you like from this sentence including visiting other planets.
- " Stem cells " ?? Read my friend , read.It is all about cells and stem cells.
Your last question was about feeding the hungry children. How thaughtful of you . I had already embraced this subject in a
previous comment , leading me to conclude that you didnt read well. ' Al Zakat ' my friend is one of Islam substrates . Paying
2.5% of your earnings to fund the poor ,homeless and hungry children is a must when you can afford it.
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All the above leads me to be convinced that you live in a substantial world . All Islam did was guide , the humans miss behaved ,
miss interpreted , miss calculated , whatever harm was done,it was done by humans.
Anything you will ask is very well defined in the Quoran or the 'Hadith' , dont search for the enigma , look for the human error ,
the human insubordination , the human disbelief , wether a Muslim or not.
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"Yes Reza but sometimes science was not totally correct and had to be adjusted or researched or reviewed or even deleted.
Theories in science are always present , medicines have always been subject of mistakes and recalls have been made , this is the
truth of modern science . No more than marketing and profiting and the sharks can always deny their involvement in fake
medicines .
You believe in them but deny god. That's your problem not mine."
Nasser, you are making a fundamental mistake in your logic. Yes science can be wrong, but it is constantly being corrected and
adjusted to make theories more closely match with the reality of nature. That is the power of science and the scientific method.
By the way, a theory in science is way more than someone's opinion. When someone has an opinion about the way that
something works in nature, they have a hypothesis. Only when the hypothesis is researched and backed up by independently
verified evidence is the hypothesis elevated to a theory.
It is not the same thing as the generally accepted definition of theory used by most people who speak English. In science the
word theory has a much more rigorous definition.
Somethings have been so well proven that there is no longer any doubt about the validity of the theory, such as the way that
gravity works, and that can be referred to as a law.
Evolution is not a controversial theory. It is well understood, and well documented. No scientifically educated person can deny,
with any evidence, that evolution is a scientific fact.
When in comes to same sex preference in humans, that does in fact have a biological basis. It is not completely understood, but
one thing is certain, and that is that it is not a disease, and it is not something that a person can control. When I say cannot
control, it is in the same vein as a person who choses to be celibate. They may not have any sexual contact with another person,
but that does not mean they don't have sexual urges and desired. They are just denying their own nature in that case. They are not
asexual.
The same can be said for homosexuality. A homosexual may choose to not have sex with someone of the same sex, but the urges
and desires are there. They will not have a satisfying relationship with someone of the opposite sex. Their relationship with that
person of the opposite sex will be constantly under a strain.
These are not my opinions, but is knowledge that has been learned from scientific studies that I have read. It is my opinion that
because of the ways that these studies have been conducted that they are largely correct.
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That is what I believe in. What can be shown by evidence. What can be tested and verified. What I don't believe in is what is
mythical and supernatural. Something that cannot be verified or tested. Someone's belief in some magical event that can't be
repeated nor verified. I know some have said to me, well the big bang can't be repeated nor tested, but that is not entirely true.
Some conditions of the big bang are being tested at the CERN super collider. But that is a whole different discussion.
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If human science such as Darwin theory close the reality of nature ...Why it didn't discover the 'Trurh ' that "Monkeys were
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Good Doug you " Believe in anything shown by evidence or observation ":
Did you believe in existing of soul ? Why if yes or no
Did you believe in existing of death ? Why if yes or know
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"take care of your sexual organs until marriage"
TAKE CARE OF YOUR SEXUAL ORGANS UNTIL MARRIAGE!
This makes a great sound bite for Islam! Since I'm sure U don't want to say "sexual organ" use a euphemism. How about 'it'.
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Thank you Dough , i can say this was the first serious reply on the scientific issue.
I personally am not against scientific research . To the contrary i support them all the way , they are the source for innovations ,
discoveries and secure decent job opportunities for thousands of educated persons . Science is not the opposite of
religion.Science followed logic which we find in all the aspects of Islam.
You may tell me that science might be wrong and then could be adjusted . During the period that it was wrong what could or
what actually has happened ? Science institutes or corporations are becoming investors orientated rather than knowledge
orientated , whatever makes money they will follow that is why we are witnessing too many flaws in the medicine area, from
antibiotics to pure Aspirin , they always make recalls , HUMAN error , but they know that their medicine was a fake and the
FDA that permitted its release after sacking a lot is the one to blame.
Corruption is every where even when humanity is concerned.
Gravity : In the 17th century Sir Isaac Newton used the word " Attaere " discussing gravity , which means " to attract , being
together ".
- Surat Al Musalat , 25 : " Did we not make the earth a receptacle ?".
With its gravitational force , the earth ' pulls ' the human beings and everything living or inanimate on it toward its center . Usage
of a verb meaning " to pull toward one " refers to this force of gravity.
Did Sir I. Newton use the same formula to reach his conclusion ? I think we should ask him.
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Evolution : You mention that no scientific person would deny the evolution theory. Should i count the science persons whom i
know , Muslims or Christians or Jews , who follow the logic of Adam & Eve , not because they are attached to their religions but
because scientific facts have proven the origins of man's body and its constitution. Allow me until tomorrow,i have to look for
the reference and will continue in my reply.
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Those who discredit evolution do not know of the drosophila fruit fly nor
have they ever heard of the SDN in the developing embryo's brain... nor
will they look it up. Their mind is fixed.
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OK Doc , how is Tom , still running ?
I assume you didnt follow or i was not clear enough for elementary people . Safeguard your asses because if you abuse of this
part of your body terrible diseases will hit you.
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Satisfied now ? No? Ok , take care of your ass hole Doc , Aids may attack at a certain time.
Are you pleased my dear Jerry? Is freedom of speech very well expressed now ? Will you use the Banana or Cucumber
syndrome now ? Or any other scientifc innovation such as a vibrator to replace your human handy functions ?
Enough with the gibberish , either you are a respectable person or you are not,which seems to be the case.
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happiness. . To keep your sexual irganisn healthy. .....is there better than this universal law. ... never
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Yes Doc , we are stupid and you are the clever guy, keep on working on this and call me ignorant and bigot.
How pathetic.
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We know embryology and brain creation with its miracle sciences before bthe birth of evolution and revolution ....Quran teach us
more the truth about creation of human kinds and universe. ....
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Eisa JohaliLecturer at KSU CAMS said.."If human science such as Darwin theory close the reality of nature ...Why it didn't
discover the 'Trurh ' that "Monkeys were humans" ?!!"My reply is.That is easy. Monkeys are not humans, just as dogs are not
cats.Do I believe in pain? Of course, it can be felt, and to some extent measured. Do I believe in a soul? No, but I do believe in
consciousness. However when you die so does your consciousness.As for you comment about sites that prove the stupidity of
atheists, perhaps you can point out a site that illustrates the stupidity of atheists. I am unaware of such a site that doesn't just
spout religious dogma as proof, which is no proof at all.I am an atheist, and I think you would have a difficult time proving that I
am stupid.
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I read Asshole, AIDS, Banana, Cucumber, and Vibrator! Now we are getting some where!
Why? U think I made a deal with Satan to get U to say those words... well I did, but that's a long story.
The more real story is you have given me an idea for an entire new social service agency in SA... for gay health! If U could
convince the King that besides giving bejeweled knee pads to boy prostitutes kneeling in the alleys, he should also provide them
with health education.
Do U think U could do that or will you have to wait for the epidemic of STD's?
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And as a gift to you I want to give you a totally free GAY Home Security Alarm System.
All you will need is a bunch bananas, a pack of rubbers, and a jar of chunky peanut butter!
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Islam should give the book back to the Christians and the Christians should give the book back to the Jews because its their book
that we copied and changed
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Welcome Morgan.........good idea by which we can meet in Abraham the son of Adam after Noah and the father of all Holy
Prophets = Islam in One Holy Book the Truth that covers all the Sciences of Nature and Religion of One God the Great Creator.
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So you mean that Asians got it all wrong because they do not believe in that?
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Thanks Doug for kindly answers however they are illusion atheistic answers:
* stupidity it is not mine it proves by atheists read the early posts in Olimpiu and Luca
* others illusion you find the proves of big differences with conjectures and refutation in these links:
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 http://primatesanctuary.tripod.com/boonhome/monkey.html
 http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/humans-evolve-apelike-creatures
 http://www.bestbiblescience.org/apeimage.htm
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat03.html
 http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_13.htm
 http://www.creationtips.com/babytail.html
Finally; Remember that keeping nonhuman primates as pets is Illegal ….humans are Nobel not apes man …you and billions of
Darwin will never proves oppose
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What You Mean By " Asians " !!!
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Proves above
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I have no Idea what you mean. Lets try that again. Your thread is asking
" Islam is the universal religion of "All Holy Prophets" this philosophical foundation of this thread" and what we think about this
yes?
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Yes, correct with reminder that it doesn't mean or refer to current confusing Islam & Muslims but it means that all Holy Prophets
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I have no Idea what the people in the middle east were doing before the Koran in the year 500 or so
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They Were Crazy Worship Idiots ....Islam reform them to Truth "Worshiping God Only One God the Great Creator" that's all
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LOL! Well at least they weren't bigots! I heard Prince Bandor 'Bush' say that before Muhammad people worshiped caves and
rock outcroppings... they were nature worshipers.
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I've already replied... I know You will not be denied... and that you must
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Doc worship Prince Bandor Or Bush is better than worship gays and homosexual '...we deny all we worship the God the Great
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Yeah thats pretty much sums up my opinion of Islam
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Morgan I've been attempting to get Eisa to comment on this article:
The Kingdom in the Closet
Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes
there. Why it is “easier to be gay than straight” in a society where
everyone, homosexual and otherwise, lives in the closet
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
<http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/>
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ONLY ONE HUMAN KIND ORIGIN FROM ONLY ONE GREAT CREATOR This Is My Philosophy .......Is There Alike
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I Told You No Place For Sodomy and Adultery in The Land Of Islam the Earthy Heaven The Purity Land
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but its ok to beat you wife too because its in the book
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ritual beatings-- even while pregnant...
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Morgan..quit cherrypicking the good stuff.
Now please excuse me while I go play with snakes....eat the flesh of Christ...maybe drink his blood....throw a dead rat over my
shoulder & queens are wild...five card stud..your deal next.
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slurp....
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"Slurp"...I think that is in there somewhere too...see...it is for everyone..whatever you want is there....just as you were saying
earlier....the second ammendment provides that all children have the God given right under the Constitution to bear arms...for the
culling of teenage-pukes everywhere..
now excuse me again while I go train my cat to attack women & minorities...& black cats of course.
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No..Wait...I forgot to tighe....I must commit my fortune...split evenly between all religions...for what if one of them is right?...it
appears impossible to tell which one!
I must seek guidance from fluffy...but all she does is roll over or crap in a box...some sort of ritual similar to catholic doctrine.
..alas...I shall have to consider another alternative.
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WAIT!!>>WAIT>>MY CAT TOLD ME THIS!!!!...Oh damn..he turned Islamic.
Father
It's not time to make a change,
Just relax, take it easy.
You're still young, that's your fault,
There's so much you have to know.
Find a girl, settle down,
If you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy.
I was once like you are now, and I know that it's not easy,
To be calm when you've found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything you've got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not.
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Eisa,
You can't make something true by typing it in capital letters, or by repeating it over and over.
Here is something that is true and can be tested by anyone with the intelligence to do the test.
The force of gravity is directly proportional to the mass of a body, and inversely proportional to the distance from that body. That
is a fact, It is the same here, on the moon, on mars or anywhere. That is reality.
An organism that changes through genetic mutation is evidence of evolution. Period. There is no doubt about it. Humans are part
of the animal kingdom. Period, No doubt about it.
So you can say it isn't true, type your denials in capital letters, but it is true nevertheless.
Muhammad flew on a winged horse in his sleep, it was a dream, not a reality. God appeared in a burning bush in a dream, not in
reality. The Jews were not delivered from Egypt because they were never slaves there. Moses did not wander in the desert for 40
years, that desert is only a few miles across. A blind person could find their way out of there. There was no arc that two of all
animals were saved from a world wide flood because there was no world wide flood. Besides, what would all of the carnivorous
animals eat after leaving the arc? How would penguins get to the south pole? Kangaroos to Australia? Tasmanian devils get to
Tasmania?
These are myths, not history. Stories that elders tell children to make them behave to control the people of the tribes. These were
politically expedient.
Surely you know this Eisa. If there is a god, where is he? Why is not showing us his presence? It seems that the less sense the
stories are the more some people believe them. Somehow they believe that it empowers them to judge others.
In a lot of cases people are persecuted because of personal vendettas, not for valid religious reasons.
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What is the point of Islamic philosophy if what is written in the Quran is perfect and immutable? Do all Muslims agree on the
meanings of everything that is written in the Quran? Do all Muslims agree on the literal meaning of all of the stories in the
Quran?
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probably has something to do with the sheep or goat you will inherit
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Here is an Armenian Muslim who has fallen in love with a sheep:
How they met the doctor
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How his marriage ended in scandal & divorce:
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Hi Jerry , put the alarm on , you "made" me say bad words ? You havent seen it all yet.
i am polite with the polite and a bully with bullies . Dont worry , HeHe , i wont carry a bomb on me.
As to you Morgan, who seem to have red nothing and understood nothing as well , beating women in Islam is forbidden.
Clapping them on their behin just as to pamper them is allowed , any other kind of beating will be considered as an offense.
Please watch how the others beat their women and then critisize Muslims.
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Hey Jer , i have a rat for you here , come and get it.
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@ Dough, The origin of creation : Clay & water.
Quran 38:71-72 " Your Lord said to the angels , i am going to create a human being out of clay. When i have formed him and
breathed my spirit into him , fall down in prostration to him ".
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The first human being was created shaping clay into a human form and then breathing a soul into it. Many elements present on
earth constitute the human body , speaking science . Living tissues contain 95% carbon , hydrogen , oxygen , nitrogen ,
phosphorus , sulphur etc..
Modern science confirms what was revealed 1400 years ago in the Quran , the fact that the same elements as those found in the
soil make part of the human creation. Out of these elements , just as an example , we may note : Iron, zinc , copper , magnese ,
chromium (around 0.01% each) , oxygen (65%) , calcium (1.5%) , chloride , sodium , magnesium , silicon etc..
Where does the human body come from ? All the above is not sufficient i presume.
Creation of the living things from water ( discovered after the invention of the microscope ).
Ayat Al Furquan 25 : 54 : " And it is we who created human beings from water and then gave them relations by blood and
marriage , your Lord is all powerful ."
Quran 21 : 30 : " And we made from water every living thing , So they will not believe ? ."
To survive , all life forms need water . Van Helmot discovered in 1640 that water in the soil was the most important element of
plant development as well as life.
" So they will not believe "
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Everything you looking for about Islam, Muslims and Saudi are enemies not true ....we don't care or even talk or repay to
extremist atheists the gays tge people of Lot and Phorah all losser and we the winners over the history
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Truth is there " Islamic - Religion Philosophy the universal wisdom based knowledge" who likes welcome who doesn't they have
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Eisa, don't you see though that there are people who believe in other gods who say the EXACT same thing about their
religion/deity. How do you know they are wrong and you are right?
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Is it a possibility that none of the world's religions are based on anything other than mythology and hallucinations?
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All are welcome to my scientific research project .....above
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We should be communicating about terrorist bombers... what is the psychology involved? U might have a young potential
terrorist in training say: before I blow myself to bits, I'd like to know a woman. And his trainer may say: you will know not just
one but 72... keep thinking about what U will do to them as we train further to blow you to kingdom cum!
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As a Seyyid, Eisa, I see no evidence anywhere. Perhaps Allah (if he is real) put me on this planet as a non-believer and as a
Seyyid to get all of you Muslims to dig up some concrete evidence to prove to the world that Islam is the one true religion….OR:
it's all made up.
Have a great day.
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Islam doesn't need prove... 'proof'... the word is proof...
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It doesn't need proof cuz there isn't any...
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What if I said that I have a Truth as well. It is this: Every time I go to the bank and put down 1 dollar, the banker must count it as
72 dollars because my faith says so and that if they don't they are being disrespectful towards my deity and they will burn in hell
for all of eternity.
What if they ask for proof that 1=72 and I declare "My faith needs no proof!"
Could anything be more absurd?
I have a comic book that says Spiderman is going to be in downtown New York tomorrow. Because it is written, it must be true,
right? You may ask, "how do I know spiderman will be in downtown NYC?". I can answer: "because it says so in my comic
book." You might reply, "how do you know your comic book is right?" And then I will answer, "because my comic book says
that my comic book is right."
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Reza - Then add to this that your comic book was written 3000 years ago. (tangential)
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I have a comic book that says Spiderman is going to be in downtown New York tomorrow. Because it is written, it must be true,
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Doc, this terrorist thing seems like the ultimate belief-behavior disconnect with their truths.
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Ken, Fareed's point is that the Saudis are feeling disconnect with us and he explained why that may be good.
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Eisa Johali said
"Atheists well know there are many threads about ....
In Summary ;
They are doubters don't know from wherever they came ? Why they came ? and to where they are going ...they reject existing
and creation, evil, hell.....the Greater Creator and the Lord of Death. ..So; they have no way to heaven and paradise"
How do you know this? Because it was written in a book? Yes it is much revered, but still just a book. There is little that can be
verified in that book.
This next part is for both Eisa and Nasser.
A book on biology that discusses the origins of life as coming from the sea using clay, This does not mean that the author was
connected to a supernatural being, or in communication with a supernatural being when those words were written. The based
those words upon the science that they have studied. There are lots of books on the origin of mankind that are not scientific that
have similar stories as the on in the Torah, the Old Testament and the Quran. Much of what was written in the Quran is directly
from the Old Testament. Codification of myths does not make them true.
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As for heaven, or paradise, life is what you make it. Paradise is right here and right now, at least for those of us who live in peace
and cooperation. As for afterlife and paradise, good luck with that one. It is a bit of a long shot though, there is no evidence of
such a place, nor any evidence of an afterlife. I suspect that it is just a story that comforts those who can't face the reality of the
fact that when life ends, so do you.
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Eisa said
"Islamic Philosophy
Truth is there " Islamic - Religion Philosophy the universal wisdom based knowledge" who likes welcome who doesn't they have
the right to kerp in darkness"
Wow that is so condescending and arrogant. It also proves absolutely nothing.
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How do you know the truth is there. Just because you say so? Wisdom comes in lots of places. As I look around, I do not seem to
be in the darkness. Certainly not where knowledge is concerned. Are you sure it is me who is in the darkness?
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Islam is not personal believe it is the Religion of All Holy Prophets. ...who don't know welcome to join my project above
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Eise, religion IS a personal belief.
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Eise, religion IS a personal belief.
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Accept when U R chopping heads off for non-belief. Then it becomes political.
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* Religion Is Never Personal Belief ..........you have learn what is religion mean
* Proofs ....Proves ....Approves ....Evidences ....Math ...Physics ....Chemistry... all are products of "Brain - Mind" that you don't
use to know the TRUTH of your existing ....just follow what others atheists says .......continue in in darkness to hell
* Chopping heads by universal law the top of justice ...when you chop a head of a human your head MUST be chopped the top
humanity justice and equity
Read the real philosophers not yours
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I am sure who doesn't know the Great Creator Is In Darkness
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Eisa! I am trying to learn more about Islam by asking questions which
occur in relation to everyday life... like things which might happen
domestically and spontaneously... such as walking in on your wife as she is
masturbating.
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The question is: do you have the right to beat her... not that you would...
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Islam is a complete system of ideal life, human, humanity, ethics, moral, spiritual, physical, emotional, love, social, economical,
political, diplomatic, military, scientific, environmental, .....laws and guidance
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You don't know said I don;t know.............you don't like it is your right .....
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I have legal right to treat her as she treat me if good,m more goodness, if bad advice, motive, promote......., if not she has & I
have many legal approaches and options:
1) Ask her to go back to her family as we are Muslims woman not a part of husband family not carry his family name....while
you poses wife even her name became yours... here family can advice both and share in solving conflict ....if not divorce in a
court who asked first have to pay costs of marriage that as man paid all cost , if y more than hundred
, if their children father have to pay or to take them with excuse for their mother to see....everything is well regulated .....
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2) Punishment with different approaches in humanity manner without any physical and mental effects ....,Is optional not well
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Ken, Fareed's point is that the Saudis are feeling disconnect with us and he explained why that may be good.
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Eisa Johali said
"Atheists well know there are many threads about ....
In Summary ;
They are doubters don't know from wherever they came ? Why they came ? and to where they are going ...they reject existing
and creation, evil, hell.....the Greater Creator and the Lord of Death. ..So; they have no way to heaven and paradise"
How do you know this? Because it was written in a book? Yes it is much revered, but still just a book. There is little that can be
verified in that book.
This next part is for both Eisa and Nasser.
A book on biology that discusses the origins of life as coming from the sea using clay, This does not mean that the author was
connected to a supernatural being, or in communication with a supernatural being when those words were written. The based
those words upon the science that they have studied. There are lots of books on the origin of mankind that are not scientific that
have similar stories as the on in the Torah, the Old Testament and the Quran. Much of what was written in the Quran is directly
from the Old Testament. Codification of myths does not make them true.
As for heaven, or paradise, life is what you make it. Paradise is right here and right now, at least for those of us who live in peace
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and cooperation. As for afterlife and paradise, good luck with that one. It is a bit of a long shot though, there is no evidence of
such a place, nor any evidence of an afterlife. I suspect that it is just a story that comforts those who can't face the reality of the
fact that when life ends, so do you.
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Eisa said
"Islamic Philosophy
Truth is there " Islamic - Religion Philosophy the universal wisdom based knowledge" who likes welcome who doesn't they have
the right to kerp in darkness"
Wow that is so condescending and arrogant. It also proves absolutely nothing.
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How do you know the truth is there. Just because you say so? Wisdom comes in lots of places. As I look around, I do not seem to
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Eise, religion IS a personal belief.
Accept when U R chopping heads off for non-belief. Then it becomes political.
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* Religion Is Never Personal Belief ..........you have learn what is religion mean
* Proofs ....Proves ....Approves ....Evidences ....Math ...Physics ....Chemistry... all are products of "Brain - Mind" that you don't
use to know the TRUTH of your existing ....just follow what others atheists says .......continue in in darkness to hell
* Chopping heads by universal law the top of justice ...when you chop a head of a human your head MUST be chopped the top
humanity justice and equity
Read the real philosophers not yours
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I am sure who doesn't know the Great Creator Is In Darkness
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Eisa! I am trying to learn more about Islam by asking questions which
occur in relation to everyday life... like things which might happen
domestically and spontaneously... such as walking in on your wife as she is
masturbating.
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The question is: do you have the right to beat her... not that you would...
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You don't know said I don;t know.............you don't like it is your right .....
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I have legal right to treat her as she treat me if good,m more goodness, if bad advice, motive, promote......., if not she has & I
have many legal approaches and options:
1) Ask her to go back to her family as we are Muslims woman not a part of husband family not carry his family name....while
you poses wife even her name became yours... here family can advice both and share in solving conflict ....if not divorce in a
court who asked first have to pay costs of marriage that as man paid all cost , if y more than hundred
, if their children father have to pay or to take them with excuse for their mother to see....everything is well regulated .....
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2) Punishment with different approaches in humanity manner without any physical and mental effects ....,Is optional not well
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U know I was just writing the other week about men who cheat on their wives
with prostitutes.
And it all comes down to societal guilt and embarrassment perpetuated by a
puritan culture and reinforced by sex scolds.
Many men find it awkward, to say the least to ask for certain things from
their wife or say certain things to her for fear they will get back to the
rest of the family: "he wanted you to do what!"
So they would rather be with an anonymous whore that will 'do it' or 'take
it' in a way his wife never would.
For example: I knew this sex addict treatment specialist whose father could
not climax unless he shouted out 'U ph'king Bitch'. He had shouted this
out in his mind but now he wanted to be up front. When he confessed this
to his wife he told her he loved her but it was just his 'kink', she would
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Viewing intoxication as a biological inevitability gives us a better understanding of how drug use differs from drug abuse. Such
use is not necessarily immoral or pathological but natural. Much like sex, drug use for humans is a natural drive. Everyone has a
need to alter their consciousness and they will do so even at their own peril… from sky diving to smoking “crack” cocaine. The
challenge for society is to address this biologically based need to “alter consciousness” in safe, non-abusive ways that will
provide people with the “peak experiences” they universally crave. Furthermore, there is a non-abusive code for “getting high”
that can be learned so that people who drink or take other drugs do not end-up embarrassed , sick, dependent or dead.
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Why is intoxication coaching necessary? Getting 'high' in our culture has been taboo since puritan pilgrim times and so very
rarely is it a topic in polite conversation. It's not discussed. It's no wonder people run around calling themselves Addicts striving
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Eisa said
Islam is a complete system of ideal life, human, humanity, ethics, moral, spiritual, physical, emotional, love, social, economical,
political, diplomatic, military, scientific, environmental, .....laws and guidance
You don't know said I don;t know.............you don't like it is your right .....
You may believe the above to be true, and maybe in theory that would be true, but the evidence of what is practiced in Islamic
states clearly shows that nothing could be further from the truth. Violence among Muslim people is a fact of life in the Middle
East and in Asia. Suicide bombers, IED's and terrorist raids are the hallmarks of nearly every country that has a high Muslim
population. This is certainly not what you are claiming.
It sounds to me that what you speak is not what is walked. Yet you keep saying it.
Somewhere you have lost touch with the reality of what is happening. This is not what I think, it is what we all can see on a daily
basis. What is happening is tantamount to might makes right. It is not Allah that is making this happen, it is the people who are
following Islam so fervently. They seem to believe that they will be forgiven their destruction and mayhem because they are
fallowing the will of Allah. How misguided can they be?
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On another topic, why can a Muslim man have several wives and yet a woman may not have several husbands? Where is the
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I liked the text Dough until you reached the end , the men having the right for several wives while the women cant.
It has been scientificaly proven that a man can sleep with several women without catching a disease ( Aids being the man made
illness ) while a woman is vulnerable , that's why the prostitutes are compelled to attend medical examination every now and
then.
I will try to find the scientific research and get back to you. This has nothing to do with gender equality.
@ Vincent , true , when they are married the man and the woman are gathered in a unity to form a family . In what it means : "
We created you from male and female to get acquainted "
" The most hated Halal for god is divorce ". They have the choice to either continue or , if
not in amity or harmony , they can divert the course of their lives. I suppose it is better than separation or bringing her boy friend
home.
Hi Jer , i know you like some Jewish tales , you ,of course,wont reveal it , it is your secret sign , but beware ,Lilith comes from
the Talmud and not the Torah , she might be under your bed now , waiting to Buttsex you during your sleep , with...her wings :))
Have a nice butty day.
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@ Dough , Any biological book written centuries ago will not bare a scientific proof , you know that as well as i do . No labs. ,
no high tec. etc.. Even Ibn Sina who was one the first achieving scientists couldnt prove his discoveries until the modern science
researched his findings and confirmed his theories. Your demands for evidences and proofs are purely an argumental issue based
on nothing but thinking of yourself as your personal god.
We , the ignorant muslims , believe there exists a power above us that created the world called god , to the contrary you believe
that mother nature was the consequence of the big bang. Agreed . Who are you , considering that earth is a consequence , are you
a consequence yourself and of what ? Mini Organisms that evoluted during millions of years ? Why did the evolution stop and
where is it going to lead us if it continues?
Too many questions , but i liked ' planet of the Apes' part 1&2 , it kind it gave me an idea on your thoughts . One man , human ,
on a planet full of Apes and he defeats them , he is the god you are looking for. They were on horse back while he was using high
tech. You want to be gods on a superficial fictional planet , it is your choice.
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U know I was just writing the other week about men who cheat on their wives
with prostitutes.
And it all comes down to societal guilt and embarrassment perpetuated by a
puritan culture and reinforced by sex scolds.
Many men find it awkward, to say the least to ask for certain things from
their wife or say certain things to her for fear they will get back to the
rest of the family: "he wanted you to do what!"
So they would rather be with an anonymous whore that will 'do it' or 'take
it' in a way his wife never would.
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For example: I knew this sex addict treatment specialist whose father could
not climax unless he shouted out 'U ph'king Bitch'. He had shouted this
out in his mind but now he wanted to be up front. When he confessed this
to his wife he told her he loved her but it was just his 'kink', she would
have none of it and said: if you want to call someone a ph'king bitch, get
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Viewing intoxication as a biological inevitability gives us a better understanding of how drug use differs from drug abuse. Such
use is not necessarily immoral or pathological but natural. Much like sex, drug use for humans is a natural drive. Everyone has a
need to alter their consciousness and they will do so even at their own peril… from sky diving to smoking “crack” cocaine. The
challenge for society is to address this biologically based need to “alter consciousness” in safe, non-abusive ways that will
provide people with the “peak experiences” they universally crave. Furthermore, there is a non-abusive code for “getting high”
that can be learned so that people who drink or take other drugs do not end-up embarrassed , sick, dependent or dead.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Euphoria-Saying-Drugs-ebook/dp/B0053ZH1PY
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Why is intoxication coaching necessary? Getting 'high' in our culture has been taboo since puritan pilgrim times and so very
rarely is it a topic in polite conversation. It's not discussed. It's no wonder people run around calling themselves Addicts striving
for the high they've seldom ever attained. But it's not their fault. It's cultural. They have not been educated in anything else but
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Islam is a complete system of ideal life, human, humanity, ethics, moral, spiritual, physical, emotional, love, social, economical,
political, diplomatic, military, scientific, environmental, .....laws and guidance
You don't know said I don;t know.............you don't like it is your right .....
You may believe the above to be true, and maybe in theory that would be true, but the evidence of what is practiced in Islamic
states clearly shows that nothing could be further from the truth. Violence among Muslim people is a fact of life in the Middle
East and in Asia. Suicide bombers, IED's and terrorist raids are the hallmarks of nearly every country that has a high Muslim
population. This is certainly not what you are claiming.
It sounds to me that what you speak is not what is walked. Yet you keep saying it.
Somewhere you have lost touch with the reality of what is happening. This is not what I think, it is what we all can see on a daily
basis. What is happening is tantamount to might makes right. It is not Allah that is making this happen, it is the people who are
following Islam so fervently. They seem to believe that they will be forgiven their destruction and mayhem because they are
fallowing the will of Allah. How misguided can they be?
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I liked the text Dough until you reached the end , the men having the right for several wives while the women cant.
It has been scientificaly proven that a man can sleep with several women without catching a disease ( Aids being the man made
illness ) while a woman is vulnerable , that's why the prostitutes are compelled to attend medical examination every now and
then.
I will try to find the scientific research and get back to you. This has nothing to do with gender equality.
@ Vincent , true , when they are married the man and the woman are gathered in a unity to form a family . In what it means : "
We created you from male and female to get acquainted "
" The most hated Halal for god is divorce ". They have the choice to either continue or , if
not in amity or harmony , they can divert the course of their lives. I suppose it is better than separation or bringing her boy friend
home.
Hi Jer , i know you like some Jewish tales , you ,of course,wont reveal it , it is your secret sign , but beware ,Lilith comes from
the Talmud and not the Torah , she might be under your bed now , waiting to Buttsex you during your sleep , with...her wings :))
Have a nice butty day.
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@ Dough , Any biological book written centuries ago will not bare a scientific proof , you know that as well as i do . No labs. ,
no high tec. etc.. Even Ibn Sina who was one the first achieving scientists couldnt prove his discoveries until the modern science
researched his findings and confirmed his theories. Your demands for evidences and proofs are purely an argumental issue based
on nothing but thinking of yourself as your personal god.
We , the ignorant muslims , believe there exists a power above us that created the world called god , to the contrary you believe
that mother nature was the consequence of the big bang. Agreed . Who are you , considering that earth is a consequence , are you
a consequence yourself and of what ? Mini Organisms that evoluted during millions of years ? Why did the evolution stop and
where is it going to lead us if it continues?
Too many questions , but i liked ' planet of the Apes' part 1&2 , it kind it gave me an idea on your thoughts . One man , human ,
on a planet full of Apes and he defeats them , he is the god you are looking for. They were on horse back while he was using high
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Can anyone help me? I believe it is written in Aramaic. Maybe, I should read it from right to left.
Eisa
Ron Islam is natural religion ...Christianity change the natural laws.
Christianity didn't change Eisa these people are not Christians they used to be but stopped
They don't follow any religion That's why they are in a mess with problems.They teach people that religious rules are imaginary
and they end up with all the vices you mention
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Satan worshipers.
Things to remember to get credit with the Devil for doing evil. A lot of
people do evil without praising Satan while doing it.
Mindfulness!
U will never get any credit with Satan simply by doing evil, U have to
praise Satan while doing it, and you also have to tell Satan what you want
out of it.
You have to be specific and give details. Jest as if you were in a new auto
show room and were describing your dream car to the sales associate.
Telling Satan what you want will also get you thinking more about Satan...
and that's a good thing.
Remember, Satan loves U. He wants your soul... 'jest' like God.
For example:
Most alcoholics & drug addicts never start out drinking or drugging by
praising Satan (a Higher Power) and asking Satan's help to do all the
sinning that accompanies intoxication without suffering any of the negative
consequences. It's a form of harm reduction... and remember, the less harm
you do to your body, the more sinning you can do!
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Dont you like Satan Doc?
He leads your way to all things that are forbidden by god and they hate him , this proves that people are not loyal , they tend
toward harming their benefactors , Why Jer ? Why in your so pure mind they do this ?
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LOL! I don't even know that Satan exists... don't know the sex... but what
I do know is that if you pray to God or Allah or Satan or Whomever... U
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You dont know him ??????
He's cute . He supports your Homosexual theories . Male homosexuals , the ones who practice Yoga.
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Captives are never tempted they're in the net already
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Nasser, do you understand the point that I was making?You said " I have to tell you , about your stats. that Lebanon is composed
of 17 known communities and a number of unknown communities such as communists ( or preferably Atheists ) , and Satan
worshipers.The majority of the Lebanese communities are educated , not just reading or writing , no the min. they speak is three
languages and most of them , their parents "And yet it has among the highest literacy rate of the Islamic countries that I
mentioned. The statistics came from Wikipedia, but I am confident that you can find other sources as well. See what I am saying
is two things.* This is a reply to your comment about ignorant Muslims.* This also points out that males are preferentially
educated. Not all males though.This is not true of major Western countries, nor of most minor ones either.Do you understand
what I am saying? You made the point about ignorant Muslims, not me.
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Muslims ignore all unhealthy, unnatural behaviors
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...where are the atheist women to explain the top secretes of Western men that they hunting and misusing your youth then may
got marriage or thrown as their many district and cities for peating and abusing non married women with children ...
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Eisa, here you go, a list of well known female atheists:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Women’s rights activist combating militant Islam
Maggie Ardiente - Development Director at the American Humanist Association
Lauren Becker - Outreach Coordinator for the Center for Inquiry
Lori Lipman Brown - Founding director of Secular Coalition for America
R. Elisabeth Cornwell - Executive director of the U.S. branch of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Margaret Downey - Activist, founder and president of The Freethought Society
Myna Futrell - Co-founder and executive director of The Brights’ Network
Annie Laurie Gaylor - Co-founder and current co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
Debbie Goddard - director of African Americans for Humanism and Campus coordinator at the Center for Inquiry
Susan Jacoby - director of New York's Center for Inquiry
Ellen Johnson - Atheist activist, former president of American Atheists
Kathleen Johnson - Vice president and military director of American Atheists and founder of the Military Association of Atheists
and Freethinkers
Wendy Kaminer - Secular Coalition for America Advisory Board Member
Lyz Liddell - Campus organizer for the Secular Student Alliance, somehow helps hundreds of non-theist student groups without
exploding
June Maxwell - Director of Humanist Academy at Glasgow
Amanda Metskas - Head Director of Camp Quest
Taslima Nasrin - human rights activist
Sumitra Padmanabhan - Secretary of the Humanists' Association of India
Toni van Pelt - Director of the Center for Inquiry-Office of Public Policy
Eugenie Scott - executive director of the National Center for Science Education, outspoken opponent of Intelligent Design and
creationism
Ariane Sherine - Creator of the Atheist Bus Campaign
Samantha Stein - Director of Camp Quest UK
Wafa Sultan - Outspoken critic of Islam
Reba Boyd Wooden - Executive Director of Center for Inquiry Indiana
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Eisa said "Muslims ignore all unhealthy, unnatural behaviors"
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You are joking right? That is an absurd statement. Muslims are no different than any other group of people in this respect.
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When are you going to accept that these are mental conditions just as they were classified before your liberals got it changed.You
only have to look at their behaviour the overly
feminine thing in some of them unlike any woman but like a fantasy woman
Then you have the trannies unable to accept what their body tells them that they are
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Welcome with your list .....
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Who made them atheists ? and why ? All are born natural Muslims
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We pay taxes here but charities are exempt.If you are an Atheist and you want to be exempt
you can form one of these type of organisations and claim you're a charity
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Good Vincent ... more reasons mainly for change women from natural with long cloths and full protection to be with short or
without cloths easy for atheists men ....
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Nasser, do you understand the point that I was making?You said " I have to tell you , about your stats. that Lebanon is composed
of 17 known communities and a number of unknown communities such as communists ( or preferably Atheists ) , and Satan
worshipers.The majority of the Lebanese communities are educated , not just reading or writing , no the min. they speak is three
languages and most of them , their parents "And yet it has among the highest literacy rate of the Islamic countries that I
mentioned. The statistics came from Wikipedia, but I am confident that you can find other sources as well. See what I am saying
is two things.* This is a reply to your comment about ignorant Muslims.* This also points out that males are preferentially
educated. Not all males though.This is not true of major Western countries, nor of most minor ones either.Do you understand
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...where are the atheist women to explain the top secretes of Western men that they hunting and misusing your youth then may
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Eisa, here you go, a list of well known female atheists:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Women’s rights activist combating militant Islam
Maggie Ardiente - Development Director at the American Humanist Association
Lauren Becker - Outreach Coordinator for the Center for Inquiry
Lori Lipman Brown - Founding director of Secular Coalition for America
R. Elisabeth Cornwell - Executive director of the U.S. branch of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Margaret Downey - Activist, founder and president of The Freethought Society
Myna Futrell - Co-founder and executive director of The Brights’ Network
Annie Laurie Gaylor - Co-founder and current co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
Debbie Goddard - director of African Americans for Humanism and Campus coordinator at the Center for Inquiry
Susan Jacoby - director of New York's Center for Inquiry
Ellen Johnson - Atheist activist, former president of American Atheists
Kathleen Johnson - Vice president and military director of American Atheists and founder of the Military Association of Atheists
and Freethinkers
Wendy Kaminer - Secular Coalition for America Advisory Board Member
Lyz Liddell - Campus organizer for the Secular Student Alliance, somehow helps hundreds of non-theist student groups without
exploding
June Maxwell - Director of Humanist Academy at Glasgow
Amanda Metskas - Head Director of Camp Quest
Taslima Nasrin - human rights activist
Sumitra Padmanabhan - Secretary of the Humanists' Association of India
Toni van Pelt - Director of the Center for Inquiry-Office of Public Policy
Eugenie Scott - executive director of the National Center for Science Education, outspoken opponent of Intelligent Design and
creationism
Ariane Sherine - Creator of the Atheist Bus Campaign
Samantha Stein - Director of Camp Quest UK
Wafa Sultan - Outspoken critic of Islam
Reba Boyd Wooden - Executive Director of Center for Inquiry Indiana
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When are you going to accept that these are mental conditions just as they were classified before your liberals got it changed.You
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Nasser, do you understand the point that I was making?You said " I have to tell you , about your stats. that Lebanon is composed
of 17 known communities and a number of unknown communities such as communists ( or preferably Atheists ) , and Satan
worshipers.The majority of the Lebanese communities are educated , not just reading or writing , no the min. they speak is three
languages and most of them , their parents "And yet it has among the highest literacy rate of the Islamic countries that I
mentioned. The statistics came from Wikipedia, but I am confident that you can find other sources as well. See what I am saying
is two things.* This is a reply to your comment about ignorant Muslims.* This also points out that males are preferentially
educated. Not all males though.This is not true of major Western countries, nor of most minor ones either.Do you understand
what I am saying? You made the point about ignorant Muslims, not me.
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...where are the atheist women to explain the top secretes of Western men that they hunting and misusing your youth then may
got marriage or thrown as their many district and cities for peating and abusing non married women with children ...
Eisa, here you go, a list of well known female atheists:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Women’s rights activist combating militant Islam
Maggie Ardiente - Development Director at the American Humanist Association
Lauren Becker - Outreach Coordinator for the Center for Inquiry
Lori Lipman Brown - Founding director of Secular Coalition for America
R. Elisabeth Cornwell - Executive director of the U.S. branch of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Margaret Downey - Activist, founder and president of The Freethought Society
Myna Futrell - Co-founder and executive director of The Brights’ Network
Annie Laurie Gaylor - Co-founder and current co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
Debbie Goddard - director of African Americans for Humanism and Campus coordinator at the Center for Inquiry
Susan Jacoby - director of New York's Center for Inquiry
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Ellen Johnson - Atheist activist, former president of American Atheists
Kathleen Johnson - Vice president and military director of American Atheists and founder of the Military Association of Atheists
and Freethinkers
Wendy Kaminer - Secular Coalition for America Advisory Board Member
Lyz Liddell - Campus organizer for the Secular Student Alliance, somehow helps hundreds of non-theist student groups without
exploding
June Maxwell - Director of Humanist Academy at Glasgow
Amanda Metskas - Head Director of Camp Quest
Taslima Nasrin - human rights activist
Sumitra Padmanabhan - Secretary of the Humanists' Association of India
Toni van Pelt - Director of the Center for Inquiry-Office of Public Policy
Eugenie Scott - executive director of the National Center for Science Education, outspoken opponent of Intelligent Design and
creationism
Ariane Sherine - Creator of the Atheist Bus Campaign
Samantha Stein - Director of Camp Quest UK
Wafa Sultan - Outspoken critic of Islam
Reba Boyd Wooden - Executive Director of Center for Inquiry Indiana
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When are you going to accept that these are mental conditions just as they were classified before your liberals got it changed.You
only have to look at their behaviour the overly
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Nasser, do you understand the point that I was making?You said " I have to tell you , about your stats. that Lebanon is composed
of 17 known communities and a number of unknown communities such as communists ( or preferably Atheists ) , and Satan
worshipers.The majority of the Lebanese communities are educated , not just reading or writing , no the min. they speak is three
languages and most of them , their parents "And yet it has among the highest literacy rate of the Islamic countries that I
mentioned. The statistics came from Wikipedia, but I am confident that you can find other sources as well. See what I am saying
is two things.* This is a reply to your comment about ignorant Muslims.* This also points out that males are preferentially
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...where are the atheist women to explain the top secretes of Western men that they hunting and misusing your youth then may
got marriage or thrown as their many district and cities for peating and abusing non married women with children ...
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Eisa, here you go, a list of well known female atheists:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Women’s rights activist combating militant Islam
Maggie Ardiente - Development Director at the American Humanist Association
Lauren Becker - Outreach Coordinator for the Center for Inquiry
Lori Lipman Brown - Founding director of Secular Coalition for America
R. Elisabeth Cornwell - Executive director of the U.S. branch of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Margaret Downey - Activist, founder and president of The Freethought Society
Myna Futrell - Co-founder and executive director of The Brights’ Network
Annie Laurie Gaylor - Co-founder and current co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
Debbie Goddard - director of African Americans for Humanism and Campus coordinator at the Center for Inquiry
Susan Jacoby - director of New York's Center for Inquiry
Ellen Johnson - Atheist activist, former president of American Atheists
Kathleen Johnson - Vice president and military director of American Atheists and founder of the Military Association of Atheists
and Freethinkers
Wendy Kaminer - Secular Coalition for America Advisory Board Member
Lyz Liddell - Campus organizer for the Secular Student Alliance, somehow helps hundreds of non-theist student groups without
exploding
June Maxwell - Director of Humanist Academy at Glasgow
Amanda Metskas - Head Director of Camp Quest
Taslima Nasrin - human rights activist
Sumitra Padmanabhan - Secretary of the Humanists' Association of India
Toni van Pelt - Director of the Center for Inquiry-Office of Public Policy
Eugenie Scott - executive director of the National Center for Science Education, outspoken opponent of Intelligent Design and
creationism
Ariane Sherine - Creator of the Atheist Bus Campaign
Samantha Stein - Director of Camp Quest UK
Wafa Sultan - Outspoken critic of Islam
Reba Boyd Wooden - Executive Director of Center for Inquiry Indiana
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Atheists and all nonbelievers life 2 women and children are the victims:
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Vincent, check out Somalia, they might think you are a futurist. Virtually 100% of nomads don't believe in evolution.
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* Its good primitives don't believe in fallacy primitive and modern human theories …they are natural
* Futurists who think logic and accept TRUTH of Creation
Further sadly stories of nonbelievers women :
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http://www.npr.org/2013/01/22/169059701/we-have-no-choice-a-story-of-the-texas-sonogramlawhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=150312812
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Sadly there are none so blind as those who chose not to see, none so deaf and those who refuse to hear. When a tree falls, it is
because of structural failure and the force of gravity. There was no supernatural force at work, it was just simply the way it is.
Nature is like that. You can chose to believe what you are told, or what you can see for yourself. But you have to be prepared to
accept what you see. Those who cling to a religion are blind and deaf. They can see, but chose not to, they can hear but chose not
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There were these two Muslim men sitting on an elephant when two Muslim women walked by and one says to the other: Look at
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Doc, as soon as Eisa mentioned primitives, I assumed he was talking about us and of course Ken. We are one step above
primitives, we are heathens. That agnostic thing is really confusing. As heathens we aren't simply people who could not make up
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Ron he was writing about the Bedouin... he called the Bedouin primitive...
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* Its good primitives don't believe in fallacy primitive and modern human theories …they are natural
* Futurists who think logic and accept TRUTH of Creation
Further sadly stories of nonbelievers women :
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http://www.npr.org/2013/01/22/169059701/we-have-no-choice-a-story-of-the-texas-sonogramlawhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=150312812
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Sadly there are none so blind as those who chose not to see, none so deaf and those who refuse to hear. When a tree falls, it is
because of structural failure and the force of gravity. There was no supernatural force at work, it was just simply the way it is.
Nature is like that. You can chose to believe what you are told, or what you can see for yourself. But you have to be prepared to
accept what you see. Those who cling to a religion are blind and deaf. They can see, but chose not to, they can hear but chose not
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Doc, as soon as Eisa mentioned primitives, I assumed he was talking about us and of course Ken. We are one step above
primitives, we are heathens. That agnostic thing is really confusing. As heathens we aren't simply people who could not make up
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 4 )
Quotes About Religion or Atheism
"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians."
— Martin Luther
"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason."
— Martin Luther
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles
against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
— Martin Luther
"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's
appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ...
Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be
banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
— Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148
"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and
whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
— Martin Luther
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church? [...] a lie out of
necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."
— Martin Luther
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"... we must drive them [Jews] out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all the
their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them."
— Martin Luther, "On the Jews and Their Lies", 1543
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_in_the_Quran
If only 33,000 people knew the truth............??!!!!!!!!!!!:
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 7 ) ...:
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014332-indeed-those-who-disbelieve-quran26/http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/10/9/creationist-group-challenges-atheists-with-thank-god-you-re-wrongbillboards?category=Atheism
The Most Crazy Sites of Atheists with believers debate
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/7/11/atheists-are-the-most-feared-group-in-america-butwhy?category=Atheism
What crazy that atheists have regarding death:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/10/25/grief-without-belief-how-do-atheists-deal-withdeath?category=Atheismhttp://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/7/11/atheists-are-the-most-feared-group-in-america-
but-why?category=Atheism
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As they don't use what the greatest eyes, ears, nose, heart that they have.....they have to go to hell:
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Some from popular lur Western and Even Children Know More Than Atheists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npuxh-LsbYA&list=PLNMTj36BwPYNgkmhl6PqyvPFr22IjcMN&index=2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_XM1IBaLhY
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Colton survived emergency surgery and over the next few months he began to talk about what he experienced. The book is called
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ATHEISTS BLIND FAITH - MORAL RELATIVISM
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 11 ) ...:
Atheists Blind Faith - Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg - God or the multiverse?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO0QRUX4HGE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyMTI7MoWck
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma18YgEV1wM
nternational lecturer and public speaker Hamza Andreas Tzortzis debates the president of American Atheists, Dr. Ed Buckner,
who is the leading secular activist in the US and was cited as an authority in Richard Dawkins' best-seller "The God Delusion".
Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is an international public speaker on Islam. He is a writer with articles, essays and commentaries on
political philosophy, the philosophy of religion and society. Hamza is an intellectual activist actively engaging on issues
pertaining to religion, social cohesion and politics. Hamza is also a researcher with a recent publication on non-Muslim
perceptions on Islam and Muslims.
Hamza regularly participates in debates and symposiums with leading intellectuals, public speakers and academics on topics
concerning western and Islamic philosophy, politics and current affairs. For example he participated in a debate with the
president of American Atheists, Dr. Ed Buckner on Islam or Atheism?, he also debated the editor of the Philosophy Now
magazine Rick Lewis, entitled God: Delusion or Truth? and he participated in a debate with the best selling author, philosophy
lecturer and chair of the British Humanist Association's Philosophers Group Peter Cave on Can We Live Better Lives Without
Religion? More recently Hamza debated the highly acclaimed professor, Simon Blackburn, who is one of the leading atheist and
humanist academics in the world. The debate was held in the historic Cambridge University debating chambers.
Hamza regularly appears in the media explaining and demystifying Islam and providing unique perspectives on current affairs.
He has appeared on the BBC, BBC Arabic, BBC Radio 4, BBC Asian Network, Press TV, Islam Channel, Nile TV, Ummah TV,
Iqra TV, TV3 (Malaysia) and National Public Radio of America.
Hamza lectures all around the world on topics related to Islam, philosophy and politics. He is a regular speaker at universities
across the UK and he is one of the main initiators of the contemporary emergence of Muslim public speakers using Islamic and
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 13 ) ...:
Why Atheists Are Wrong About Faith
Youtubers JaclynGlenn and TheAtheistVoice inspired me to make this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9WdSmgAMs
Hey YouTube!
Ok, I don't know about you guys, but I'm sick of atheists diminishing Christian intellect. There's this notion that atheism and
science rely on evidence whereas religion relies solely on blind faith.
Two things are wrong about that assertion:
1. There's an incredible amount of evidence behind any major religion, particularly Christianity.
1. Science has required, requires, and will require faith.
Many advances made in science happened because some of the smartest minds in history employed faith to pursue those
frontiers. Furthermore, science requires faith because assumptions are made all the time, and they're usually assumptions that
scientists can't prove.
For instance, we assume that we can generalize future laws based on past laws. But would happen if we woke up tomorrow and
gravity wasn't working or the earth reversed its orbit? Science would be screwed if the laws of physics were suddenly different.
And what if the laws of physics are different in different universes? And if they are, who's to say that they won't one day change
in ours?
The reality is, is that there's a lot that science doesn't know and can't answer, even beyond the argument of creation. For example,
science can't tell you the difference between good and evil. Science can't tell us that rape is wrong. Sure, we accept that as a
value judgment, but science can only answer what's observable and testable. And even then, a degree of faith and assumption
making is required.
And that's what pisses me off, because atheists basically claim that believing in a flying spaghetti monster is as ridiculous as
believing in Jesus because faith is required in both.
Let's take a look at some YouTubers.
The only problem is that unlike the flying spaghetti monster, there's incredible historical evidence that backs Christianity. There
are more available manuscripts of Scripture than there are other historic and ancient texts that atheists have no problem
believing!
My point is that atheists are hypocritical and really dumb when they mock faith, because faith is needed in science as well.
But those are just my thoughts and I'd love to hear yours in the comments below. I usually focus on politics in my videos, but I
think I'm going to venture into religion as well. So subscribe and be sure to like me on Facebook and I'll see you soon!
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Atheist's are Anal about Analogies But They Lack Real Arguments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G484kr0GPQ
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Why does almost every atheist comment on a Christian YouTube video begin with an absurd simile? Why do they give
examples, similes, metaphors and analogies instead of a real argument? Let's examine why they offer false comparisons and
asinine similes in lieu of a real valid and true argument to prove the world view.
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Quotes About Religion or Atheism
"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians."
— Martin Luther
"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason."
— Martin Luther
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles
against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
— Martin Luther
"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's
appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ...
Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be
banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
— Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148
"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and
whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
— Martin Luther
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church? [...] a lie out of
necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."
— Martin Luther
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"... we must drive them [Jews] out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all the
their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them."
— Martin Luther, "On the Jews and Their Lies", 1543
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 5 ) ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_in_the_Quran
If only 33,000 people knew the truth............??!!!!!!!!!!!:
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http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3703/if_only_33_000_people_knew_the_truth
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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Atheistshttp://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/jannahnaar.htm
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http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014332-indeed-those-who-disbelieve-quran26/http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/10/9/creationist-group-challenges-atheists-with-thank-god-you-re-wrongbillboards?category=Atheism
The Most Crazy Sites of Atheists with believers debate
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/7/11/atheists-are-the-most-feared-group-in-america-butwhy?category=Atheism
What crazy that atheists have regarding death:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/10/25/grief-without-belief-how-do-atheists-deal-withdeath?category=Atheismhttp://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/7/11/atheists-are-the-most-feared-group-in-americabut-why?category=Atheism
Rricharddawkins.net
Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
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Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
As they don't use what the greatest eyes, ears, nose, heart that they have.....they have to go to hell:
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Doug
Do You Need More Evidences ..............there are huge that you don't see, hear, ....coming soon
Some from popular lur Western and Even Children Know More Than Atheists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npuxh-LsbYA&list=PLNMTj36BwPYNgkmhl6PqyvPFr22IjcMN&index=2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_XM1IBaLhY
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Todd Burpo is an Author, Pastor and Dad with an incredible story of his then 4 year old son Colton's account of going to Heaven.
Colton survived emergency surgery and over the next few months he began to talk about what he experienced. The book is called
"Heaven Is For Real" and you can get your copy during our special offer this month.
The book is offered for your best ministry gift...suggested amount is $25.00, but any donation is gratefully accepted.
http://crossroads.ca/support-crossroadshttp://www.HeavenIsForReal.net
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ATHEISTS BLIND FAITH - MORAL RELATIVISM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIeV-Dza0OA
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 11 ) ...:
Atheists Blind Faith - Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg - God or the multiverse?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO0QRUX4HGE
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Logic evidences atheists blindness ( 12 ) ...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyMTI7MoWck
&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma18YgEV1wM
nternational lecturer and public speaker Hamza Andreas Tzortzis debates the president of American Atheists, Dr. Ed Buckner,
who is the leading secular activist in the US and was cited as an authority in Richard Dawkins' best-seller "The God Delusion".
Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is an international public speaker on Islam. He is a writer with articles, essays and commentaries on
political philosophy, the philosophy of religion and society. Hamza is an intellectual activist actively engaging on issues
pertaining to religion, social cohesion and politics. Hamza is also a researcher with a recent publication on non-Muslim
perceptions on Islam and Muslims.
Hamza regularly participates in debates and symposiums with leading intellectuals, public speakers and academics on topics
concerning western and Islamic philosophy, politics and current affairs. For example he participated in a debate with the
president of American Atheists, Dr. Ed Buckner on Islam or Atheism?, he also debated the editor of the Philosophy Now
magazine Rick Lewis, entitled God: Delusion or Truth? and he participated in a debate with the best selling author, philosophy
lecturer and chair of the British Humanist Association's Philosophers Group Peter Cave on Can We Live Better Lives Without
Religion? More recently Hamza debated the highly acclaimed professor, Simon Blackburn, who is one of the leading atheist and
humanist academics in the world. The debate was held in the historic Cambridge University debating chambers.
Hamza regularly appears in the media explaining and demystifying Islam and providing unique perspectives on current affairs.
He has appeared on the BBC, BBC Arabic, BBC Radio 4, BBC Asian Network, Press TV, Islam Channel, Nile TV, Ummah TV,
Iqra TV, TV3 (Malaysia) and National Public Radio of America.
Hamza lectures all around the world on topics related to Islam, philosophy and politics. He is a regular speaker at universities
across the UK and he is one of the main initiators of the contemporary emergence of Muslim public speakers using Islamic and
Western philosophy to shed light on Islam and demystify its way of life.
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Why Atheists Are Wrong About Faith
Youtubers JaclynGlenn and TheAtheistVoice inspired me to make this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9WdSmgAMs
Hey YouTube!
Ok, I don't know about you guys, but I'm sick of atheists diminishing Christian intellect. There's this notion that atheism and
science rely on evidence whereas religion relies solely on blind faith.
Two things are wrong about that assertion:
1. There's an incredible amount of evidence behind any major religion, particularly Christianity.
1. Science has required, requires, and will require faith.
Many advances made in science happened because some of the smartest minds in history employed faith to pursue those
frontiers. Furthermore, science requires faith because assumptions are made all the time, and they're usually assumptions that
scientists can't prove.
For instance, we assume that we can generalize future laws based on past laws. But would happen if we woke up tomorrow and
gravity wasn't working or the earth reversed its orbit? Science would be screwed if the laws of physics were suddenly different.
And what if the laws of physics are different in different universes? And if they are, who's to say that they won't one day change
in ours?
The reality is, is that there's a lot that science doesn't know and can't answer, even beyond the argument of creation. For example,
science can't tell you the difference between good and evil. Science can't tell us that rape is wrong. Sure, we accept that as a
value judgment, but science can only answer what's observable and testable. And even then, a degree of faith and assumption
making is required.
And that's what pisses me off, because atheists basically claim that believing in a flying spaghetti monster is as ridiculous as
believing in Jesus because faith is required in both.
Let's take a look at some YouTubers.
The only problem is that unlike the flying spaghetti monster, there's incredible historical evidence that backs Christianity. There
are more available manuscripts of Scripture than there are other historic and ancient texts that atheists have no problem
believing!
My point is that atheists are hypocritical and really dumb when they mock faith, because faith is needed in science as well.
But those are just my thoughts and I'd love to hear yours in the comments below. I usually focus on politics in my videos, but I
think I'm going to venture into religion as well. So subscribe and be sure to like me on Facebook and I'll see you soon!
* of Daniel
Atheist's are Anal about Analogies But They Lack Real Arguments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G484kr0GPQ
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Why does almost every atheist comment on a Christian YouTube video begin with an absurd simile? Why do they give
examples, similes, metaphors and analogies instead of a real argument? Let's examine why they offer false comparisons and
asinine similes in lieu of a real valid and true argument to prove the world view.
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Reza Ziai
Lecturer in Psychology at College of Staten Island, City University of New York
Eisa,
Those films are propaganda. I watched them and there are so many flaws in them that I don't know where to begin. The basis of
most of them seem to go around this: The films say that the early theories of the universe were that of atheists, scientists, and
philosophers…not so! The early theories were often conceived by religious radicals wanting to brainwashing society to think that
their sky god was supreme. They would subjugate and torture scientists who would bring information to them that would
contradict their theological views of the universe.
o
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If you want to watch some real educational material on the universe just sit down and watch Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' series. You'll
learn about reality and how to discern it from superstitious mumbo jumbo.
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May Be but there are many other guarantee true evidences that universe is creation not self explosion or created by energy, by
math, by physics ....all are not logic
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Doug Norton
Industrial Designer
Eisa, you are not making any sense. I am sorry, but just pointing out websites that say empty things do nothing to further your
argument.
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Bye the way, science does not require faith. You are incorrect about that. What happens in science happens regardless of what a
person believes. Faith is not required.
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Everything is created from energy, math and in a broader sense, physics are the ways that we can discover and write out the rules
that the universe uses. Things are not caused by math or physics, those are tools to describe with is happening.
We are beginning to understand what happened within milliseconds of the big bang, and there are indications that we may be
able to understand what happened before the big bang as well. Perhaps before is the wrong word for that because for this
universe time began with the big bang.
The wonders of what the universe is really like, the stark beauty of it is beyond amazing. But you will never grasp any part of
that if you don't start to discover what the world is really all about in the absence of prejudicial religious beliefs. Religious beliefs
are filters that strain out evidence that would contradict what the core mysteries of faith are all about.
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"evidence based" ... in evaluation studies... was a code word for "not "faith based"... anything that is "spiritual" was not
"evidenced based" You can do science on evidence based programs: observation and measurement. That's why whenever
someone says "addiction" is a bio-psycho-social condition, I agree! But if they tack on "spiritual" on the end then I know what I
am dealing with... voodoo... not that voodoo may not work, but it does make me more cautious.
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Mechanical Design Engineer at Designcode
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Bye the way, science does not require faith. It does these days
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It's a sad day... South Park is no longer funny.
The last funny South Park:
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http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e08-sarcastaball
<http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esouthparkstudios%2Ecom%2Ffull-episodes%2Fs16e08sarcastaball&urlhash=Vcz6&_t=tracking_disc>
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It was never as funny as Owl Tennis..
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owl tennis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVVilKIM9s
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Doug
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You don't like to know you heart is stone as the heart of Nimrud, Phroan and Abu Lahab
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Doc
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Same ss Doug without soul ..the linksthat I pposted have strong evidences that there is Great Creator God Only One God who
will let we die and judge soon
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Reza Ziai
Lecturer in Psychology at College of Staten Island, City University of New York
Eisa,
Those films are propaganda. I watched them and there are so many flaws in them that I don't know where to begin. The basis of
most of them seem to go around this: The films say that the early theories of the universe were that of atheists, scientists, and
philosophers…not so! The early theories were often conceived by religious radicals wanting to brainwashing society to think that
their sky god was supreme. They would subjugate and torture scientists who would bring information to them that would
contradict their theological views of the universe.
o
o
o
o
If you want to watch some real educational material on the universe just sit down and watch Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' series. You'll
learn about reality and how to discern it from superstitious mumbo jumbo.
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Thanks Reza
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May Be but there are many other guarantee true evidences that universe is creation not self explosion or created by energy, by
math, by physics ....all are not logic
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Doug
Doug Norton
Industrial Designer
Eisa, you are not making any sense. I am sorry, but just pointing out websites that say empty things do nothing to further your
argument.
o
o
o
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Bye the way, science does not require faith. You are incorrect about that. What happens in science happens regardless of what a
person believes. Faith is not required.
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Doug Norton
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Everything is created from energy, math and in a broader sense, physics are the ways that we can discover and write out the rules
that the universe uses. Things are not caused by math or physics, those are tools to describe with is happening.
We are beginning to understand what happened within milliseconds of the big bang, and there are indications that we may be
able to understand what happened before the big bang as well. Perhaps before is the wrong word for that because for this
universe time began with the big bang.
The wonders of what the universe is really like, the stark beauty of it is beyond amazing. But you will never grasp any part of
that if you don't start to discover what the world is really all about in the absence of prejudicial religious beliefs. Religious beliefs
are filters that strain out evidence that would contradict what the core mysteries of faith are all about.
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You need to take your blindfold off. It is better than you can imagine Eisa.
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"evidence based" ... in evaluation studies... was a code word for "not "faith based"... anything that is "spiritual" was not
"evidenced based" You can do science on evidence based programs: observation and measurement. That's why whenever
someone says "addiction" is a bio-psycho-social condition, I agree! But if they tack on "spiritual" on the end then I know what I
am dealing with... voodoo... not that voodoo may not work, but it does make me more cautious.
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Vincent Swift HARE
Mechanical Design Engineer at Designcode
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Bye the way, science does not require faith. It does these days
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Doc Wilmot
DRUGCRAFT 510 459-8301
It's a sad day... South Park is no longer funny.
The last funny South Park:
o
o
o
o
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e08-sarcastaball
<http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esouthparkstudios%2Ecom%2Ffull-episodes%2Fs16e08sarcastaball&urlhash=Vcz6&_t=tracking_disc>
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Kenneth M. Barker CHSO
Health,Safety,& Security Officer G4S Securicor (Canada) Ltd
It was never as funny as Owl Tennis..
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owl tennis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVVilKIM9s
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Doug
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You don't like to know you heart is stone as the heart of Nimrud, Phroan and Abu Lahab
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Doc
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Same ss Doug without soul ..the linksthat I pposted have strong evidences that there is Great Creator God Only One God who
will let we die and judge soon
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more coming after Juma'ah praaer
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Eisa Johali
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Story of Doc = People of Lot
Just Samples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrahhttp://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_in_Islamhttp://www.anusha.com/
lot.htmhttp://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1872/http://www.biblebios.com/lot/lot.htmhttp://www.luthercollege.edu/impetus/w
inter_2013/Story_of_Lot
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Continue Luca = Nimrod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj_3c1pFTjk
Reflections on the Story of Prophet Ibrahim (as);
• Reliance on Allah (concept of Tawakkul and the attribute of Al-Wakeel); Lessons learned.
• Tawheed (Oneness of Allah), Ikhlas (Sincerity)
• Sacrifice, and Reliance on Allah
• Facing the Tyrant: Nimrod.
• Separation from Paganism & Evil (the Hijrah.
• The Concept of Auliyah in Islam; Elegance and Alliance.
• Speaker: Dr. Bashar Shala
http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamResp..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIdiLeHHLsQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2FZiYVz1RY&list=PL6475890A720E25
A9
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Story of Doc = People of Lot :
Must watch for all.Prophet Lot (pbuh) Gay punishme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbDSD30DdcMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Bz_r6py80
Sorry if graphics are really bad. Looked good when made
Children Bible Story 04 - Story of Lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp2g2Y6SAQA
Bible Stories - God Destroys Sodom and Gomorrah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJddXduWjs
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Story of Reza = Abu Lahab
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%AB_Lahabhttp://islamstory.com/en/node/40087http://islamicbooks.info/H-3-Surahs/3Masad.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyo
This is an in-depth look at the miracle of a surah that most of us might recite in our salahs.
I used tafseer ibn Kathir to do most of the research and about 3 articles from the net.
If there are any mistakes, then they are from me, and the all the good there may be is from Allah(swt). InshaAllah i hope this
video helps strengthen your iman
A nice article:
http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech...
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Story of Reza = Abu Lahab 1
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Story of Reza = Abu Lahab 2
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Story of Reza = Abu Lahab 3
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http://islamicbooks.info/H-3-Surahs/3Masad.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOn6r86UIyo
This is an in-depth look at the miracle of a surah that most of us might recite in our salahs.
I used tafseer ibn Kathir to do most of the research and about 3 articles from the net.
If there are any mistakes, then they are from me, and the all the good there may be is from Allah(swt). InshaAllah i hope this
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Later Peter
NOW
Doug = Pharaoh
Let us know about Doug stories
Story of Doug = Pharaoh the father of Jews atheists
Pharaoh Pharaoh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FAFx9qxYeYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJdXNFJFfUhttp://www.youtube.com/wa
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@ Kenneth , You have all rights to condemn any Muslim who does not admit that Jews and Christians believe in god. This is not
the problem. The problem is that there was some messing with both religions.
The Talmud , that was written by Jewish priests at the time did provoque the other religions it considered them as Ghoyim (not
sure of the dictation) which means animals (carrying animals). There are lots of other provocative citations,not inteded for
Muslims or Christians but for both.
The Holly Bible , in the English version , mentions Bekka (meaning Mekka) as the house of Abraham , while in the several
Arabic versions mentions other places.
There are some who doubt that the evangelic and other bibles do differ .
So there is no denial of god rather the doubt that occurs when there is messing in the book or completely writing a new one.
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They don't like ...don't accept any truth ifbit is mentioned in Quran or even in Bible ....
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Are you stolen all Arabic words such as "Typhoon ‫ "!!!!! طوفان‬...now I see and watch in CNN
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Regarding Holy Scriptures and Books I invite you to conduct scientific study ..Small scale as comparative mainly regarding
creation ...but no one welcome the invitation. ..
The God Only One God mentioned in all Holy Scriptures Zubur, Torah, Injil and Quran ....Talmud is not a holy notIInspired not
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Why not Kenneth have a pleasure time hsve s dance but don't reject or forget to worship God Only One God by which may God
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Nasser, What do you mean by then what, when you said what if the Quran mentions the big bang?
Eisa, why do you think that I have a heat of stone? I love, and feel passion just like most people.
Eisa, here is a man with a heart of stone, and he is a Muslim
"Malala Yousafzai, now 16, amazingly survived being shot in the left eye socket while she was on her way to school nearly a
year ago.
On Monday, Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid issued a new death threat against the brave teen".
It seems to me that a person who can do something like this to a child should be of more concern that someone who does not
believe is an imaginary God.
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Now, Eisa, please get off the topic of how good Muslims are and how horrible atheists are. Atheists, in general, are more
concerned about our fellow man, more generous and more morally correct than many (note that I do not say all) Muslims. When
it comes to having hearts of stone I can give you tons of examples of Muslims with hearts of stone.
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Eisa, there is not a shred of evidence that the Garden of Eden ever existed. Before you criticize evolution, you should find one
shred of evidence to support your views.
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Yes Doug you are right there are some atheists better than some Muslims ....They are many atheists behave good, honest, trusted.
.. more than many Muslims ....
It is sorry fully for us to say that we just carry the title of Islam. .. we don't practice all moral, ethical Islamic teachings, we
misuse Islamic teachings. ...Even in Arab traditions there are very interest norms we don't practice. ....
This is the first factor that make us in Dark Age ...
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If we practice the right Islamic teachings we will kive in peace and happiness with others forever. ...If non Muslims keep their
goodness with accepting God the Great Creator they will live in more happiness with others ...
This is my long vision of UUH philosophy
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Dough , I meant , so what's next . What would be your opinion ? Would it be possible that the Quran was written by Geologists ?
!435 years ago , or would it be simply magic , assumptions , or was Mohammed an Atheist who believed in your theory before
you were born, What next ?
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Forget Garden of Eden ...it is just a peace of Heaven ..it doesn't make any difference
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Doug= Phoran
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He posted what Phoran said to Moses ( PBUH)
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Well You are the ones claiming a religion as a science with no evidence but imaginary drawingsnot Eisa.Your dating is a joke
your fossil identification and conclusions are a comedy scriptSo get back to science and stop drawing comic pictures
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You even excommunicate your non believers
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Who ? me
Islam Is Science and Wisdom for all aspects of life ...my evidences have been posted above
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Vincent, has your archeological team come up with any skulls yet? Ken, Doc and I are ready to start taking the bible as literal.
For your next project, you should find Noah's Ark. Can you imagine when the Ark had been floating for 20 days and someone
comes up and says, damn it, both tortoises are male. So much for tortoises.
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Eisa, there is not a shred of evidence that the Garden of Eden ever existed. Before you criticize evolution, you should find one
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Yes Doug you are right there are some atheists better than some Muslims ....They are many atheists behave good, honest, trusted.
.. more than many Muslims ....
It is sorry fully for us to say that we just carry the title of Islam. .. we don't practice all moral, ethical Islamic teachings, we
misuse Islamic teachings. ...Even in Arab traditions there are very interest norms we don't practice. ....
This is the first factor that make us in Dark Age ...
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If we practice the right Islamic teachings we will kive in peace and happiness with others forever. ...If non Muslims keep their
goodness with accepting God the Great Creator they will live in more happiness with others ...
This is my long vision of UUH philosophy
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Dough , I meant , so what's next . What would be your opinion ? Would it be possible that the Quran was written by Geologists ?
!435 years ago , or would it be simply magic , assumptions , or was Mohammed an Atheist who believed in your theory before
you were born, What next ?
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Forget Garden of Eden ...it is just a peace of Heaven ..it doesn't make any difference
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He posted what Phoran said to Moses ( PBUH)
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Well You are the ones claiming a religion as a science with no evidence but imaginary drawingsnot Eisa.Your dating is a joke
your fossil identification and conclusions are a comedy scriptSo get back to science and stop drawing comic pictures
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Vincent, has your archeological team come up with any skulls yet? Ken, Doc and I are ready to start taking the bible as literal.
For your next project, you should find Noah's Ark. Can you imagine when the Ark had been floating for 20 days and someone
comes up and says, damn it, both tortoises are male. So much for tortoises.
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RonI doubt Moses would have had much success telling the Israelites to grow feathers and fly from Pharaoh they had some
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Thanks for the Bogart Ken... very gay of you! Ken will recognize the following:
Now I have something to say about Eisa saying I have no soul ...and souls in general. I believe U R not born with a soul but you
can develop one through living mindfully
.[Large corporate boardroom filled with suited executives]
Exec #1: Item six on the agenda: "The Meaning of Life" Now uh, Harry, you've had some thoughts on this.
Exec #2: Yeah, I've had a team working on this over the past few weeks, and what we've come up with can be reduced to two
fundamental concepts. One: People aren't wearing enough hats. Two: Matter is energy. In the universe there are many energy
fields which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source which act upon a person's soul. However, this
"soul" does not exist ab initio as orthodox Christianity teaches; it has to be brought into existence by a process of guided selfobservation. However, this is rarely achieved owing to man's unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday
trivia.
Exec #3: What was that about hats again?
Exec #2: Oh, Uh... people aren't wearing enough.
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Soul doesn't exist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about psyche ?
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I did make poll titled 'does soul exist ?" after long discussion with Luca .... but I don't know where I don't find it .....
Here truth of soul
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http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H010.htm#s1
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The fact that I am alive means that biological systems work. It does not follow or prove that I need a soul to live. How do you
define soul? What is it. Is there a test for it?
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Biology !!!!!!!!! Doug think logic
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Soul is alive given to you by the Well of God the Great Who Created you from sexual water and will let us die by talk His soul
the physical and biological body will go back ti its origin dust
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Does Death Exist ?!!!
Do you see death ?!!!!
Do you observe death ??!!!!
Do you touch death ??!!!!!!!
ALL are logic evidences that there is God Great Creator
Read :
http://www.reasons.org/articles/new-astronomical-proofs-for-the-existence-of-godhttp://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/5proofs.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbHPE5o-wYE
* PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS - MUST SEE ALL ATHEISTS
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The fact that I am alive means that biological systems work. It does not follow or prove that I need a soul to live.Well you
obviously need something because they work differently when you die
Your corpse weighs the same as you so you lost something
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Doug , are you searching for the soul ?
Look at your profile pic. When you find the second half you would have found your soul.
Know what i mean ?
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DO i NEED TO MAKE A THREAT COMPLAINT TO lINKEDiN
No to God see you now
Post To Islamic Philosophy …..later may new thread
Do Atheists Religious Illiterate or Ignorant
I spent many years discus the TRUTH of "Great Creation and Great Creator …..Universe and
Human Existence" ………. Atheists Don't Know Wither They Exist …Alive or Not ????!!!!
If They Are Really Religious Illiterate They Have To Go To School To Learn
If They Just Ignorant ...........They Have To Go To Baptist To Be Treated
Kindly Share To Give Them Real Life Lessons
Major = Pharaoh claim god
The Scientific Case for Common Descent
Evolution, the over arching concept that unifies the biological
sciences, in fact embraces a plurality of theories and hypotheses.
Experimental Evolution And The False Solace of “They’re Still Bacteria”
Father evidences " All Real and Rational Human kinds Denied Silly Evolution" :
http://www.alternet.org/books/evolutionary-barrier-being-human-denial-death
A Fascinating New Theory About the Human Mind, Evolution
and Mortality
Why have other species failed to evolve human-like intelligence? The answer may lie in our
conception of mortality.
http://www.alternet.org/books/evolutionary-barrier-being-human-denial-death
http://scienceislam.com/evolution_creation.php
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090203142254AAFc5iT
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081103223311AA4y9SL
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an_and_Theory_of_Evolution
Another example that Charles Darwin presented in support of his theory of evolution was that of the apes evolving
over time in to modern day human beings. The Holy Qur'an on the other hand says that all humans came from Adum
(Adam). If Darwin's theory was correct than all apes should have evolved into humans, but after all this time on Earth
there are still apes present along with humans. Science itself negates Darwin's theory of evolution,because studying
human DNA has proved that all humans come from a common "human" ancestor. A fact that The Holy Quran
presented 1500 years ago.
Human Age,from the beginning to present day:
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From Adam to the Holy Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) _ 6133 years
From the birth of Holy Prophet(pbuh) to the declaration of Prophethood _ 40 years
Life in Makka after declaration of Prophethood _ 13 years
From migration to Madina till present day _ 1427 years
Total time of Human beings on Earth _ 7613 years
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Al-Baqara
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred
through pride, and so became a disbeliever. (34) And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and
eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers. (35) But
Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said:
Fall down, one of you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time. (36)
Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the
Merciful. (37)
Further evidences " All Real and Rational Human kinds Denied Silly Evolution"
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The piece is: Flogging a Dead Horse, by Paul Spooner
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I made this animated GIF from a video I took at the amazing American Visionary Art Museum in Baltimore Inner
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The piece is: Flogging a Dead Horse, by Paul Spooner
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Is it this Stephen your Video - link ? just a moment I will discover what you really hide
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There is further scientific evidences for science of Islam
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Osku,
I don't know if posting them would be fair. Trying to understand Eisa is like staring into the abyss 'hell' . I see
sparkles of light ("phosphenes") even though nothing is actually there.
In other words: His use of English is so disjointed that I can read into it pretty much anything *I* want to read into it.
Therefore his language--for me--is utterly devoid of any real meaning. I'd be having a discussion with myself.
It would be like beating a dead horse without the horse actually being there.
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Stephen Sywak
Sr. Mechanical Engineer at Oceaneering Entertainment Systems
Eisa--I think you understand this: I don't think there's a problem with how you think! I accept that you have difficulty using the
English language to present your ideas in this "forum."
Unfortunately, since my time on earth is finite and bounded (and my time anywhere else is nonexistent), I'm going to have to
"pass" on this opportunity. No hard feelings, please.
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Stephen be easy.... I am not " staring into the hell ".... but to heaven the happiness
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Do You Use Scientific Formulas in measuring the meaningful of your life ?
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Islamic life equation 0+0=0
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Eisa, I am not "forgetting" any gods. I know more about them than most, but less than some. I do not believe in the existence of
ANY of them. It has nothing to do with "forgetting."
Have YOU forgotten about THOR? About Zoroaster? About ZEUS? About ODIN? I know *I* haven't. I don't believe that they
ever existed, and I don't believe that any of the other, more current "incarnations" of them exist, either.
There is no great creator or intelligent designer of us, or of our universe. There IS, however, a creator of your god and of every
god that ever, never really "was."
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(I deleted my last comment. Something about sleeping, rabid dogs comes to mind)
And now, you're just being a dick = atheists comment meaningless, escaping
You are welcome for creativity exchange, anytime
All My Questions
Can you give direct answers ...do you know:
- How. .
- When. ...
- Why. ...
You really exist ?
- When, how, where you will die ?
- To where you are going after death ?
Then;
- Can you see pain 'not just feel it' ?
- Can you see death ?
Use all your scientific approaches
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When Was the Species Evolution Happened .
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When were the galapagos islands first discovered.........
beat a dead horse
Generally it is excellent and attractive link as 'evolution' :
- When see the term you wondered attractive ...
- When you read you surprised that it is naked human identity, dignity and ego
Is Religion impediment public mental health and addiction
Does Islam help public mental health and addiction
Religion never be an impediment to everything, it is more concern than all existing g
human laws of health and behaviors …soon I will post evidences from Quran
Does virgin flesh smell sweeter to god as it is burnt?
Story of Mary virgin in Quran
Yes you are right Insomnia
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Stephen@" You're shitting us, right?"
What is " Shitting" !!? I didn't find in dictionaries
Deuteronomy 23
Lexham English Bible (LEB)
23 “No man with crushed testicles[a] or whose male organ is cut off[b] may come into the assembly of Yahweh.
2 An illegitimate child may not come into the assembly of Yahweh; even to the tenth generation none of his
descendants[c] may come into the assembly of Yahweh.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+23&version=LEB
By Stephen Sywa
If Like Truth.......... If You Need More Evidences ....Search Google .......
I am busy haven't time to Doc sexy
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