CHEMICAL PROCESSING
JUNE 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 25-28 2012
ESTEL HOTEL & CONVENTION CENTER
BERLIN GERMANY
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 25-JUNE-12 to THURSDAY, 28-JUNE-12
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OPENING COMMENTS
The CHEMICAL PROCESSING TASK GROUP was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 25-Jun-12
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct presentations were reviewed.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of
the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Hal
Olaf
James
Mailik
Bob
Terry
Karyn
Celine
Peter
Aleck
Harold
Alan
Gerald
Linda
Marcos
John
Serge
Nathalie
Susan
Nick
Veronique
Wang
Ramalingam
Hongli
Robert
Jerker
Abel
Adam
Beavers
Boutoba
Cashman
Curtland
Deming
Dorey
Droste
Featherston
Finch
Gilbert
Harvey
Hauknes
Jaguaribe
Koenig
Labbe
Le Pottier
Lewis
Magnapera
Marcel
Miao
Ramalingam
Niu
Nixon
Nordh
COMPANY NAME
Raytheon Co
Premium AEROTEC Gmbh
Eaton Aerospace
Eurocopter
Parker Aerospace Group
Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp
Goodrich Corporation
Eurocopter
Airbus
Bell Helicopter Textron
Spirit AeroSystems Inc.
Cessna Aircraft Company
Triumph Aerostructures -VAD
Volvo Aero Norge
ELEB Equipamentos Ltda.
The Boeing Company
Heroux Devtek, Inc
Eurocopter
Lockheed Martin Corporation
BAE Systems Inc
SAFRAN Group
Comac
GE Aviation
Goodrich Corporation
Triumph Aerostructures -VAD
Volvo Aero Corp
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Clark
Luis Gustavo
Rainer
Carl
Josefa
Ester
Jerry
Victor
Torsten
Mariusz
Steven
Mike
Yuhui
Zia
Shawn
Wei
Grzegorz
Sergey
Okawa
Pacheco
Ricken
Roche
Rodriguez
Sala Bosch
Satchwell
Schonberger
Sprado
Stanczyk
Starr
Stolze
Sun
Usmani
Vierthaler
Wang
Wryk
Yesilevich
Pratt & Whitney
Embraer
Premium AEROTEC Gmbh
Goodrich ISR
EADS-MTAD
Rolls-Royce PLC
Rolls-Royce PLC
Israel Aerospace Industries
Airbus
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Honeywell Aerospace
Northrop Grumman Corp
Comac
BAE Systems Air & Information
Spirit AeroSystems Inc.
Comac
Goodrich Corporation
Hamilton Sundstrand
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Tomohiko
Lee
Stephane
Robert
Petr
Alex
Paul
Hirohiko
Jonathan
Bill
Eric
Thomas
Bakhtiar
Rosa
Ian
David
Mike
Patrick
George
Cindy
Scott
Vittorio
Dariusz
Uri
Yoshiomi
Jerry
Soh
Ashikaga
Bruce
Chaumeil
Custer
Dvorak
French
French
Hattori
Hebben
Heeter
Jacklin
Jacob
Kadri
Martin
McDonald
Michaud
Noettl
O'Leary
Petrescu
Roth
Singer
Stana
Stephen
Sternberg
Sukesada
Wahlin
Yong Hua
COMPANY NAME
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd
Robert Stuart Ltd
Galion
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc
Letov Letecká Výroba s.r.o.
Aerofin Laboratories Inc
Aerofin Laboratories Inc
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Ducommun AeroStructures Gardena
Skills Inc
F.M. Callahan & Sons Inc
Praxair Surface Technologies GmbH
CTRM Aero Composites Sdn Bhd
Superior Plating Co
Robert Stuart Ltd.
Fountain Plating
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory
Nu-Pro Limited
ULTRASPEC
Team Industrial Services
Imagineering Enterprises
Avcorp Industries
ATI ZOPS Machining
CAAI
Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Co
AAA Plating
ACP Metal Finishing PTE Ltd
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Staff Present
Nigel
William
Mike
2.0
Cook
Calvert
Graham
DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – (CLOSED)
The delegation status of Mike Graham, Nigel Cook, William Calvert, Bill Dumas and Bob Lizewski
were reviewed. All delegated staff engineers met the requirements for maintaining delegation.
The Task Group was reminded that Jack Holman is presently reviewing audits, in the nondelegated status, as temporary cover for Sarah Jordan who has left PRI.
3.0
NUCAP – (CLOSED)
Scope Exception #22:
The affected Subscriber gave a presentation on how they were going to amend their system to
meet the job paper content and buy-off requirements of AC7108. The Subscriber requested the
Task Group assess their proposal to determine if it meets the requirements of AC7108 prior to
implementing it. The Task Group agreed that the proposal met the requirements of AC7108.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to arrange for the scope exception #22 status to be changed to “Internal
Review” (Due Date: 15-Jul-12)
Scope Exception #85:
Subscriber requested that AC7108/2 para 4.4.9.c to be amended to allow alternative eyesight test
requirements. A similar scope exception has been requested by SAFRAN and the Task Group
agreed it will be included in the next ballot of AC7108/2.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include the amendment (to allow alternative eyesight test requirements per
Scope Exception #85) to AC7108/2 para 4.4.9.c in the next revision of the checklist (Due Date: 30-Feb-13)
4.0
PROFICIENCY EXAMS – (CLOSED)
The Anodize and Etch exams have been completed by most auditors. These exams will be
updated once the Task Group has agreed that the further exams of present auditors are no longer
required. This is a present RAIL item no further action required.
Exams have been created for Plating, Painting/DFL, and Conversion Coating.
Exams to be revised to meet the following requirements:
 Should not be specification specific.
 Should not have double negatives.
 Should have a single clear answer.
 Should be grouped per sub-process
 Should have US and international units, e.g. °C & °F.
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Auditors are to complete the Exams prior to October meeting.
ACTION ITEM: William Calvert to review the Auditor’s exams with the Subteams to ensure that the
established criteria are met before the final drafts of the auditor’s exams is posted. (0.0.: 31-AUG-12)
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ACTION ITEM: Once revised/updated, William Calvert to arrange for current auditors to take exams and
tabulate data for review by the Task Group Primes in October 2012. (Due Date: 30-Sept-12)
5.0
AUDITOR OVERSIGHT – (CLOSED)
Mike Graham and Mike Stolze gave a presentation on the auditor oversight process and present
status, 9 of 16 of the targeted observation audits had been completed. Not all observers have
completed the additional CP feedback form.
ACTION ITEM: Michael Graham to arrange completion of the targeted observation audits and to remind
observers to complete the additional feedback form (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
6.0
OCTOBER 2012 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – (CLOSED)
The only closed meeting item was the auditor oversight program and the presentation was
reviewed as part of agenda item 5.
7.0
RESOLUTION BY TASK GROUP ISSUES – (CLOSED)
MIL-DTL-5541 – Solution Analysis:
Questions have been raised about the frequency of solution analysis for processing solutions that
form part of the conversion coating line, e.g. degreasing solutions, de-oxidizing solutions. Robert
Nixon (Triumph) obtained clarification from the specification owner, Julia Russell of the US Navy
that all solutions, except rinses, are required to be analysed at least once per week.
ACTION ITEM: William Calvert to draft and have posted an Auditor Advisory to inform the Auditors of the
Mil-DTL-5541 interpretation decision. (Due Date: 17-JUL-12)
Onsite Auditor Training: The NMC Auditor Consistency Team has requested each Task Group
determine their specific training requirements. The Task Group reviewed the proforma used for the
two day onsite training conducted by Staff Engineers and made a number of amendments. It was
voted and carried that the Onsite Auditor Training should have a section on NCR writing.
ACTION ITEM: Michael Graham to amend the proforma to include the required detail and implement its
use for the 2 day onsite training of new Chemical Process auditors. (Due Date: 31-Aug-12)
Auditor Conference October 2012:
The Chemical Processing commodity specific sessions are Saturday Afternoon and Sunday (all
day). No training will be performed on Monday. All primes are encouraged to attend this- not just
the ones involved with presentations.
Audit Duration:
Nigel Cook reviewed s-frm-16, which provides the guidelines for duration of audits, and also
reviewed the data being put into eAuditNet to allow for auto-scheduling of CP audits. Some tests
are being run to compare the duration of a sample of present audits and the duration of the autoscheduled audits.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to send out the auto-scheduling data being input into eAuditNet to the
Subscriber representatives for review and feedback. (Due Date: 15-Jul-12)
NMC Auditor Consistency Team:
The NMC Consistency Team carried out a survey of the Nadcap auditors. The results from this
survey suggest the auditors have a need for the following:
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Understanding of Prime Requirements: Auditors should have ready access (1 business day) to
understand and clarify prime specification requirements.
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Clarity of Checklist Requirements: Nadcap should have a feedback mechanism where auditors
can request clarification or changes to checklist requirements.
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Communication: Open communication needs to be maintained between Auditors, PRI Staff
and TG Primes.
The Primes present felt that they were already being contacted by the auditors, and/or the supplier
during the audits for clarification of specification requirements. Due to the large size and diversity of
many of the Primes it was not always possible to respond within the timeframe of an audit because
the specification may be the technical responsibility of another division.
With regard to checklist clarification and amendment, it was felt there was already an adequate
process in place for this. In addition, the Chemical Process Audit Handbook is reviewed every
meeting and Auditor Advisories are issued as required.
ACTION ITEM: William Calvert to include the findings of the Auditor’s Survey as a 30 minute open
discussion at the Auditor Conference for their feedback and input. Do they believe the current system is
adequate? Are any improvements needed? If so, what are the recommendations? (Due Date: 18-Oct-12)
8.0
OPENING COMMENTS – (OPEN)
8.1
The Chemical Processing Task Group (CPTG) was called to order at 9:00AM and the CPTG Vision
and Code of Ethics presentations were reviewed.
8.2
Introductions took place and quorum was established
8.3
Review and Accept Minutes from last meeting.
Proposed: Jonathan Hebben
Seconded: Jerry Wahlin
All in favour
8.4
The meeting agenda was reviewed.
8.5
The current RAIL (Rolling Action Item List) was reviewed and updated.
Row item 364: Re-establish team and gain clarification.
Row item 381: To be raised at the October 2012 Task group meeting.
Row item 494: Need to re-establish a team since; a number of the previous members are no longer
in the Task group.
ACTION ITEM: William Calvert to re-establish team to evaluate recommendations/requirements in
Technical Data Sheets. (Due Date: 20-Oct-12)
9.0
COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – (OPEN)
Compliance with attendance and voting requirements of present voting members was reviewed.
One member had failed to meet the meeting attendance requirement and another member had
failed to meet the ballot voting requirement. Due to the participation of the two members in the
overall activities of the Task Group the Chairman agreed to them maintaining their voting rights.
Requests to become a voting member were received from:
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Title
Mr
First Name
Shawn
Surname
Vierthaler
Company
Spirit Aerosystems
Voting
Member
Type
UVM
Meetings
Attended
Feb 12
Oct 11
The Task Group unanimously approved the above voting member application.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to send completed m-frm-01 to Joyce Benkart. (Due Date: 31-Jul-12)
In the February 2012 meeting, Task Group agreed to the following grant voting membership to the
following people, however, that was put on hold due to an interpretation that NOP-001 restricted
the number of voting members on the Task Group. Clarification of NOP-001 confirmed that the
restriction only applied to NMC voting membership. The following supplier representatives will
therefore be granted voting status.
Lee Bruce
Ian McDonald
Ken Pham
Warren De Cuir
Tammi Schubert
Jerker Nordh
Julie Mahan
Sarah Fuqua
Greg Penny
Robert Stuart Ltd
Robert Stuart Ltd
Lisi Aerospace
Lisi Aerospace
LMI Finishing
Volvo Aero
Unison Engine Components
Kearfott Corporation
Embee
SVM
ALT/SVM
SVM
ALT/SVM
SVM
SVM
SVM
SVM
SVM
Jun 2011, Oct 2011
Jun 2011, Oct 2011
Oct 2010, Oct 2011
Oct 2010, Oct 2011
Feb 2009, Oct 2011
Jun 2011, Oct 2011
Oct 2010, Oct 2011
Oct 2010, Oct 2011
Oct 2011, Feb 2012
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to send completed m-frm-01s to Joyce Benkart. (Due Date: 31-Jul-12)
10.0
FRENCH TRANSLATION OF CHECKLISTS – (OPEN)
An update was given on the status of the French Translation of the Checklists and Audit Handbook
AC7108 Rev E
AC7108 Rev F
AC7108/1 Rev B
AC7108/2 Rev B
AC7108/3
AC7108/4
AC7108/5
AC7108/6
AC7108/7
Audit handbook
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August 2012
September 2012
Approved and to be posted.
Completed and posted
Not being translated, not sufficient demand.
Not being translated, not sufficient demand.
Not being translated, not sufficient demand.
Not being translated, not sufficient demand.
Not being translated, not sufficient demand.
The Feb 2012 Handbook will be approved by the end of June.
NMC METRICS & AUDITOR CAPACITY – (OPEN)
The NMC Metrics were reviewed and all items were Green apart from Supplier Merit. The Supplier
Merit data also appeared to be deviating away from meeting the goal but this was expected based
on the latest revision of NOP-008, which introduced the number of Major NCRs and Total NCRs
into the merit criteria. No action required at this time with regard to the merit goal but it is to be
tracked.
It was noted that the Task Group needs auditors in Asia.
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CHEMICAL PROCESS AUDIT HANDBOOK APPROVAL – (OPEN)
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The Chemical Process Audit Handbook was reviewed and approved.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to send the amended Audit Handbook to Joyce Benkart for posting on
eAuditNet. (Due Date: 31-Jul-12)
13.0
COMMENT RESOLUTION AC7108 REV F DRAFT 2 – (OPEN)
There were numerous ballot comments particularly regarding the change in wording to the scopes
of sections 5.4 and 5.5 which concern the controls on ovens and other thermal processing
equipment. The problem with these two sections is they need to be mutually exclusive and cover all
the thermal processing used to support chemical processing.
It was motioned that the Task Group incorporates the following wording for sections 5.4 and 5.5 to
address the comments raised. Motion was carried 15:2.
5.4 Certified Ovens for Thermal Treatments at a set point above 250ºF (121ºC) where the thermal
processing is defined by the specification, or, for Thermal Treatments at a set point above 250ºF
(121ºC) where the thermal processing is not defined by the specification and the material being
processed can be affected by temperatures up to 50ºF (28ºC) greater than the set point.
 Compliance Assessment Guidance: Where a supplier is using a thermal treatment above
250°F (121ºC) that has not been defined by the contract or specification then, the supplier is
responsible to determine if the thermal treatment has potential to affect the material properties
or coating properties.
5.5 Miscellaneous thermal equipment not covered by section 5.4.
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Compliance Assessment Guidance: NA applies if no miscellaneous thermal treatments are
performed within the scope of the audit or if these treatments are performed in a certified oven
that was audited per section 5.4.
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Equipment that is not fully enclosed but provides this type of thermal treatment shall be
considered as thermal equipment for the purpose of the audit.
It was agreed that there was still opportunity to improve the clarification of the sections but that it
will be left until after the checklists are restructured.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend the AC7108 paragraphs 5.4 and 5.5 and send for a 21 day NMC
ballot. (000: 31-Jul-12)
14.0
COMMENT RESOLUTION AC7108/2 REV C – (OPEN)
AC7108/2 is awaiting completion of the ballot process for AC7108 rev F before it can be amended
and balloted. This is because AC7108/2 shares many of the requirements of AC7108.
15.0
AC7108/1 REVIEW – (OPEN)
Karyn Deming gave a presentation regarding the Subteam activity on amendment of AC7108/1 to
address automatic paint mixing, powder coatings and overlap with the Coatings Task Group.
The presentation recommended postponing the amendment of the AC7108/1 checklist at this time
but to review the Audit Handbook and incorporate guidance on how the present questions can be
used to audit both automatic paint mixing and powder coatings.
ACTION ITEM: Karyn Deming and Subteam to review the Audit Handbook and propose amendments to
address the paint mixing methods and powder coatings. (Due Date: 31-Jul-12)
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With regard to the overlap with the Coatings Task Group, the Subteam recommended that
Coatings Task Group amend the Title/Scope of their AC7109 checklist to be more specific, e.g.
Thermal Spray, Vapour Deposition and Diffusion Coatings.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to email the request (that Coatings Task Group amend the Title/Scope of their
AC7109 checklist to be more specific) to the Coatings Task Group Staff Engineer and Chairman. (Due
Date: 31-Jul-12)
16.0
SUPPLIER NOTIFICATION OF AUDITOR ADVISORY – (OPEN)
Will Calvert reviewed the method that was developed to allow the Suppliers to view certain Auditor
Advisories which have been reviewed by PRI Staff and deemed to not have business sensitive
information in them.
16.A
CREATE NMC REPORT OUT. (New Agenda Item)
The NMC report out presentation slide was completed.
17.0
CHECKLIST STRATEGIC PLAN – (OPEN)
Jerry Satchwell gave an update of the status of actions from the Checklist Strategic Plan.
The plan is to have 14 Checklist slash sheets based on the technologies. The paragraph
numbering of the slash sheet checklists should be kept consistent with the base checklist.
Process Grouping:
The proposal from the process grouping Subteam was reviewed. There were concerns on what
constituted a Long and Short Job Audit and what questions would not be required to be answered
for a short job audit. It was felt that the assessment of contract review and flowdown was required
to some extent for all jobs.
The need for accreditations of touch-up processes, e.g brush conversion coat of anodize contact
points, is the Prime’s responsibility. None of the Primes present required Nadcap accreditation for
touch-up.
ACTION ITEM: Mike Stolze and Subteam to review proposal for Process Grouping and come back to the
October 2012 Task Group Meeting with a recommendation. (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
Anodize checklist:
Comments were received regarding the proposed Anodize Checklist. It was felt that questions
should be in the pre job audit section if they were applicable to all job audits and not likely to
change.
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Satchwell and Subteam to review and make changes to the Anodize Checklist. (Due
Date: 22-Oct-12)
AC7108/3, /4 and /6:
These checklists are presently in ballot.
Assign next actions:
Due to the work being done with the NDT Task Group regarding the amendment to the AC7108/2
checklist and the need to re-review some of the previous actions it was felt that no further actions
should be assigned at this time.
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CHEMICAL PROCESS AUDITOR INTERVIEW QUESTIONS/EXAM – (OPEN)
The amended auditor interview questions were modified and unanimously approved.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to email the amended auditor interview questions to Jennifer Eckels. (Due
Date: 31-Jul-12)
19.0
NDT AC7108/2 PROPOSAL – (OPEN)
Bob Koukol presented the proposal from the combined CP/NDT Subteam on a way forward to
improve the effectiveness of the etch inspection audit. The basic elements of the proposal were:
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Create separate checklists for pre-penetrant etch and etch inspection.
Etch inspection checklist to be done as part of an NDT audit if the supplier has an NDT
accreditation. When a supplier does not have either a CP or NDT accreditation then it is to be
done as an NDT audit.
Pre-Penetrant Etch may be done with either a CP or NDT audit and the decision shall be left
with the supplier.
CP and NDT to each define their job audit requirements.
If the NDT group develops supplement checklists then these shall be included, as applicable,
whether done by CP or NDT.
The Chemical Process Task Group unanimously approved this proposal.
A Subteam of Karyn Deming (lead), Mike Noettl, Jonathan Hebben, Robert Nixon, Cynthia Roth,
Bob Koukol, Sun Yuhui (COMAC), and Nigel Cook were appointed to review the AC7108/2
checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Karyn Deming and Subteam to review and make changes to the AC7108/2 checklist based
on Bob Koukol’s proposal to the CPTG during the June 2012 Meeting. (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
20.0
OCTOBER 2012 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – (OPEN)
Will Calvert gave a status update of the auditor conference presentations.
ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to ensure that the presentations are completed and posted on eAN for Task
Group Review. (Due Date: 31-Aug-12)
21.0
COMMENT RESOLUTION NTGOP-001 APENDIX VIII – (OPEN)
There were no comments to resolve. The document was approved by the Task Group and Nadcap
Management Council (NMC) prior to this meeting.
22.0
PRIME AUDITS OF NADCAP SUPPLIERS – (OPEN)
The CP-SAT meeting raised a concern in the October 2011 meeting regarding the number of Prime
Audits of Nadcap approved process houses. The CP-SAT meeting was given the action to assess
the situation and report back in the February 2012 meeting, however, there was insufficient time
and it was postponed until this meeting.
The review of 10 process facilities indicated that there were potentially 61 Prime audits (127 on site
days) that appeared to repeat the Nadcap process.
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The Cessna representative reported that they had been asked to work towards a smaller
number of supplier audits.
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The Boeing representative reported that they use a risk assessment approach.
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The Rolls-Royce plc representative reported that they do an audit for initial approval only.
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The General Electric representative reported that they do an audit for initial approval only.
ACTION ITEM: Eric Jacklin, the Supplier Support Committee representative, was requested to address the
issue of redundant prime audits through the NMC Steering Committee. (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
23.0
RESOLUTION OF BALLOT COMMENTS FOR AC7108/3, /4 & /6 AS REQUIRED – (OPEN)
The AC7108/3, /4 and /6 checklists are still in ballot.
24.0
FREQUENCY OF CHECKLIST REVISIONS – (OPEN)
Nigel Cook gave a presentation on a proposal from Jim Cummings to amend NTGOP-001 to limit
the frequency of checklist revision and create a Checklist Priority Change Notice system to address
critical changes as and when required. Does the CP Task Group support the concept and agree to
recommend it to Standardisation. The Task Group rejected the proposal.
25.0
OTHER BUSINESS – (OPEN)
3M 250 Tape Expiry Issue:
There have been examples where the expiration date on the certificate of conformity is different to
that printed on the core of the roll of tape (Julian calendar code). There has been an example of the
actual 3M cert also being incorrect.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue an Auditor Advisory and amend the Audit Handbook regarding
expiration dates on 3m #250 tape. (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
Shelf Life of Lab Chemicals:
The Task Group reviewed issues raised by one prime regarding a need for clarification of shelf life
labeling and control of Laboratory Chemicals but did not feel there was a need to amend the
checklist. The issue can be brought back to the October 2012 meeting if there is still a need.
Prime Approval:
A proposal was put forward to include questions in the checklist for the supplier to demonstrate
they are approved by the relevant Prime for the applicable specification(s). The proposal was
rejected.
EC/LR and Job Audits:
Raise the issue of standardization of Checklists in a manner to help prevent the inclusion of EC/LR
information, and to identify the inconsistencies in what is and is not permitted as EC/LR data. The
methodology on how PRI ensure EC/LR data is not included in the audit package is presently up to
the commodity.
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ACTION ITEM: Michael Graham to take the issue to the NMC Standardization committee. (Due Date: 31Oct-12)
Drying of Conversion Coatings:
It was observed that a Supplier compressed air dried parts after the Chemical Conversion Coating
process. A certain Prime’s procedure does not allow air pressure to be above 30PSI and an
observation was written because the Supplier was blowing the parts at 130 PSI at the pressure
gauge. The actual job being audited did not require BAC 5719. As the pressure at the pressure
gauge is not necessarily representative of the actual pressure at the part surface, is it practical to
have a question included in the checklist to require the compressed air used for drying after
conversion coating to be below a defined pressure? No other Primes had a similar requirement. If
there is a desire to include a pressure limit, then it should be submitted through the normal
checklist change procedure.
AC7108 5.3.14:
The checklist question requires hoists and other lifting equipment to be electrically insulated from
all aqueous immersion work, electrolytic or not.
The disconnection of hoists from work is sufficient to meet this requirement, although this poses
difficulty as some Suppliers routinely use the crane to promote solution movement inside tubes.
The Task Group agreed that this is a technical change and should not be included in the Audit
Handbook and a revision to the checklist is what will be required.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to draft verbiage to AC 7108 paragraph 5.3.14 be included in the next ballot,
clarifying that disconnecting hoists from work is sufficient to meet the requirement for hoists and lifting
equipment to be electrically insulated . . . (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
AC7108/1 3.4.1:
The checklist requires the supplier’s procedure to define reprocessing requirements when the time
limit has been exceeded between surface preparation and coating application as required by the
specification. The same question in AC7108, 3.4.5, has a Compliance Assessment Guidance that
allows the rejection to be assessed and the rework planned on a job by job basis.
The Task Group agreed that AC7108/1 should be consistent with the base checklist and it is an
editorial difference. The Audit Handbook will be amended to include the same CAG against the
AC7108/1 checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue an Auditor Advisory and amend the Audit Handbook to clarify that the
AC 7108 paragraph 3.4.5 CAG applies to AC 7108/1 paragraph 3.4.1. (Due Date: 22-Oct-12)
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REPORT OUTS: NMC (MICHAUD), SSC (JACKLIN), P&O/CLOSED, STEERING (LEWIS), CPSAT (CUMMINGS)
Report outs were received from the Planning and Ops meeting, the Steering Committee, and the
CP SAT meeting.
A question was asked on the need to have an NMC and SSC report out because the Task Group
meeting is postponed at these times to allow attendance at the NMC and SSC meetings. The Task
Group felt that these report outs were duplication and questioned their need. NMC and SSC
representatives will be spoken to regarding the need.
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CHEMICAL PROCESSING
JUNE 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
The CP-SAT team requested the Chemical Process Task Group Agenda be amended to include a
New Supplier Orientation item at the beginning of the Open Meeting.
ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend agenda to include a “New Supplier Orientation” item. (Due Date: 20Jul-12)
ACTION ITEM: Mike Noettl to create the New Supplier Orientation presentation. (Due Date: 15-Sept-12)
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DEVELOP AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 2012 TASK GROUP MEETING
Agenda items for the October meeting were reviewed. Additional items for the October 2012
meeting were identified.
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Presentation on the “Discovery Event” to be held in Dallas. (Eric Jacklin)
Auditor Conference Feedback
New Supplier Orientation (Mike Noettl)
REACH (Jerry Wahlin and John Koenig to talk to NASF and Boeing with respect to delivering
a 30 minute presentation on REACH)
P&O on Tuesday
NMC on Wednesday
ADJOURNMENT – 28-Jun-12 – Meeting was adjourned at 1:00 p.m. to allow the AC 7108 Supplier
Symposium to be conducted the remainder of the afternoon.
Minutes Prepared by: William Calvert wcalvert@sae.org & Nigel Cook nigel.cook@pri-europe.org.uk
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CHEMICAL PROCESSING
JUNE 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
Chemical Processing Steering Committee-Current Membership:
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Susan Lewis –Chair (Lockheed-Martin)
Mike Stolze (Northrop Grumman)
James Chan (Honeywell)
Robert Nixon (Triumph-Vought)
David Michaud (Fountain Plating)- CPTG Voting representative to the NMC and Task Group Supplier Voting Member
James Cummings (Metal Finishing Company)- CPTG Supplier Voting Member and CP-SAT Chair
Michael Graham- PRI Staff support for the CPTG
Nigel Cook –Alternate PRI Staff Support
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Is procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during
this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
Amend the AC7108 checklist
and send for 21 day NMC
ballot
Include the amendment to
AC7108/2 para 4.4.9.c.
Nigel Cook
31-JUL-12
Nigel Cook
28-FEB-13
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Due date: