ELASTOMER SEALS
JULY 2009
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
JULY 13-14, 2009
HONEYWELL AEROSPACE
TORRANCE, CALIFORNIA USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, JULY 13 TO TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2009
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Elastomer Seals Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., July 13, 2009
It was verified that only User Members were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
User Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
*
Alessandra
*
*
*
*
Kent
Jeff
Manuel
Benjamin
Bob
D’AmbrosiaFurman
Defranco
Kingsley
Koucouthakis
Shaw
Teegarden
Cessna
Lockheed
AFRL
Honeywell
Rolls-Royce
Honeywell
Chairperson
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
*
Barry
John
Stephanie
Daniel
Gabriel
John
Dorothy
Scott
Mike
David
Asbert
Dickinson
Divens
Funke
Garcia
Hudspeth
Kern
Kronabetter
Nosek
Ravani
Douglas
Valencia
Rainier Rubber Co.
Parker Hannifin
Parker Hannifin
Parker Seal Group
Stillman Seal
International Seal
Parker Seal O-Ring Division
Micro-Tronics
Micro-Tronics
Smirt-Freudenberg-NOK
International Seal
Stillman Seal
PRI Staff Present
Keith
Purnell
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1.2
Confirmation of Voting Membership.
The Task Group’s Voting membership was reviewed. Dorothy Kern of Parker Seals requested to
be the Parker Supplier Voting Member replacing Royce McDaniel.
A motion was made by Ben Shaw to have Dorothy Kern become a Supplier Voting Member, motion
was seconded by Alessandra D’Ambrosia-Furman and the Task Group voted unanimously in
approving the motion.
ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to have Dorothy Kern of Parker Seals added to the Task Group roster as the
Supplier Voting Member replacing Royce McDaniel. (DUE DATE: August 28, 2009).
2.0
APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 2009 MEETING MINUTES / RAIL REVIEW– (OPEN)
The minutes from the February 16-18, 2009, meeting were reviewed and approved as written.
All of the RAIL open action items were reviewed.
3.0
Nadcap STAFF REPORT – (OPEN)
Staff Engineer Keith Purnell presented the PRI Staff Report and Task Group Metrics (attached)
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Task Group confirmed they will meet during the February 2010 Nadcap meeting in Rome, Italy.
4.0
REVIEW OF NTGOP-001 APPENDIX 12 – (OPEN)
The Elastomer Seals Task Group performed its yearly review of NTGOP-001 Appendix 12, and no
revision or changes were identified or required.
5.0
DEVELOPING QUESTIONS FOR FABRIC REINFORCED SEALS – (OPEN)
Task Group divided up into three sub-teams: raw material ingredients, prepping and deflashing,
and final inspection. Each sub-team developed or modified questions from AC7115 to specifically
address fabric reinforced seals. Each sub-teams’ questions were then reviewed by the attending
Task Group members. It was thought that a new, separate checklist may be required for
addressing fabric reinforced seals.
ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell and Manuel Koucouthakis to incorporate the fabric reinforced sub-team audit
questions into a single draft document and forward to the Task Group for review and comment. (DUE
DATE: August 28, 2009).
6.0
AUDITOR TRAINING – (OPEN)
Elastomer Seals Auditor Training will take place in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania the week of October
19, 2009. Training will consist of 8 hours of General topics and 8 hours of Task Group Specific
topics. Task Group Specific training will be held Tuesday afternoon October 20 and Wednesday
morning October 21, 2009.
Only those suppliers that are conducting portions of the auditor training are permitted to attend
auditor training.
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Auditor Training Agenda will include:
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Most common NCR’s presented by the Staff Engineer
Latest changes in specification presented by Manuel Koucouthakis (testing requirements)
Molding overview organized by Parker Seal and presented by the Staff Engineer
Prime Issues – Test data batch / lot by Manuel Koucouthakis
Question and answer session – Auditors, Staff and Primes
Review of Audit Handbook AH7115 – Auditors and Primes
Future Program Changes - Fabric reinforced seals, molded shapes and rubber bonded to
metal by Primes.
Presentations are due by August 31, 2009.
7.0
DEVELOPING AUDIT QUESTIONS FOR MOLDED SHAPES – (OPEN)
Task Group divided into three sub-teams. Each sub-team developed or modified questions from
AC7115 to specifically address molded shapes. Each sub-teams’ questions were then reviewed by
the attending Task Group members. The molded shape requirements were similar to the existing
AC7115 audit requirements so they can be incorporated into the existing checklist. AS5752 Issued
May 2009 is a new Aerospace – Visual Inspection Standard for Elastomeric Sealing Elements
other than o-rings. Clarifications were requested for wording of questions 11.4 & 13.9 of the
AC7115A checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell and Manuel Koucouthakis to incorporate the molded shapes sub-team audit
questions into a single draft document and forward to the Task Group for review and comment. (DUE
DATE: August 28, 2009).
ACTION ITEM: Gabriel Garcia to email proposed new wording for AC7115A audit question 11.4
concerning use of loaders. (DUE DATE: August 28, 2009).
ACTION ITEM: Gabriel Garcia to email proposed new wording for AC7115A audit question 13.9
concerning cure oven calibration. (DUE DATE: August 28, 2009).
8.0
PTFE SEALING MATERIALS – (OPEN)
PTFE materials are used for caps, back up rings and energized seals. Materials added to PTFE to
enhance its mechanical properties can cause wear problems and contaminate hydraulic systems
when they break down. PTFE is controlled by the AMS-P Committee. Since this material is used in
sealant applications there should be some dialog between the AMS-CE and AMS- Committees.
ACTION ITEM: Manuel Koucouthakis to discuss the topic of PTFE at the next AMS-CE meeting. (DUE
DATE: October 31, 2009).
ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to e-mail PTFE information to Ben Shaw and Jeff Kingsley. (DUE DATE: July
31, 2009).
9.0
DEVELOPING AUDIT QUESTIONS FOR PLATE SEALS – (OPEN)
Plate seals are a rubber bonded to metal type of seal. The Nadcap Audit checklist will use the term
rubber bonded to metal because it addresses a larger number of parts. The Task Group divided
into three sub-teams. Each sub-team developed or modified questions from AC7115 to specifically
address rubber bonded to metal seals. Each sub-teams’ questions were then reviewed by the
attending Task Group members. There were a minimum number of additional questions generated
so they will be incorporated into a draft AC7115 and sent to the Task Group for review and
comment.
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ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell and Manuel Koucouthakis to incorporate the rubber bonded to metal subteam audit questions into a single draft document and forward to the Task Group for review and comment.
(DUE DATE: September 28, 2009).
10.0
ELASTOMER SEALS PROCESS CONTROL AIR – (OPEN)
Chairperson discussed the requirements for an Elastomer Seals Process Control Document. Task
Group decided the document should be an ARP not an AIR. Chairperson is to forward a draft copy
of the Elastomeric Seal Process Control ARP to the Task Group for review and comment.
ACTION ITEM: Manuel Koucouthakis to forward a draft copy of the Elastomer Seals Process Control ARP
to the Task Group for review and comment. (DUE DATE: September 30, 2009).
11.0
AH7125 AUDIT HANDBOOK – (OPEN)
This item has been tabled until the October 2009 Nadcap Meeting held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
ACTION ITEM: Jeff Kingsley to follow up with Government Agency on release of AC7125. (DUE DATE:
August 31, 2009).
12.0
AUDIT FAILURE CRITERIA – (OPEN)
AC7115A has been in use for 9 months; audit failure criteria from 2008 data would have reduced
the number of Major NCR’s per day in half; from 2 to 1. Initial audit criteria and total NCR count for
reaccreditation audits would not have changed. Since all suppliers have not yet been audited to
AC7115A checklist, the Task Group agreed to keep its existing failure criteria and not adopt the
new criteria.
13.0
NEW BUSINESS – (OPEN)
Task Group had no suggestions on future areas of standardization. Task Group is working on
expanding its audit product scope in order to increase the number of Primes participating in the
Task Group.
14.0
ACTION ITEM REVIEW – (OPEN)
Action items were reviewed and summarized in the Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) attached to the
end of these meeting minutes.
15.0
AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING – (OPEN)
Auditor Training
Elastomer Seals ARP
AC7115 Checklist with molded shape & rubber bonded to metal
Fabric Reinforced Seals
AH7125
16.0
OPENING COMMENTS, VERIFY ONLY USER MEMBERS PRESENT – (CLOSED)
Quorum was established and it was verified that only user members were in attendance during the
closed meeting.
Current audits and the 2009 audit schedule were reviewed.
Task Group voting on audit ballots needs to increase.
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17.0
NEW BUSINESS – (CLOSED)
No new business was discussed.
18.0
ACTION ITEM REVIEW – (CLOSED)
No new actions were assigned.
ADJOURNMENT – July 14, 2009 – Meeting was adjourned at 5:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Keith Purnell kpurnell@sae.org
RAIL:
Elastomer Seals RAIL
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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
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Due date: