Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM COURSES > ART MUS THR F200X UYB CDE FALL 08, SUMMER... > COMMUNICATIONS > DISCUSSION BOARD > COLOR VS. LINE - DISCUSSION BOARD 3 Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 17 2008 11:46 Author: Vredenburgh, Amy <fsamv4@uaf.edu> Subject: Woman of Color! When analyzing color and line, I would agree that line is more logical and factual, reasonable because pictures in black and white, you focus on the lines that outline the shapes in the pieces to determine what they are about. I think that when there is color though, you get more emotion and feeling into the piece of art. I've done a reserach project on chromotherapy, curing people's illneses through the use of color, and it explains all the physical and emotional effects that color can have on people. I'm sure that many people have heard that green is calming, and that red is romantic, so I do believe that colors do instigate and arouse feelings and emotions from the paintings. The lines tell the story and the colors make us feel it! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Jun 21 2008 16:43 Author: Rush Jr, Jerome <rsjsr@uaf.edu> Subject: Baroque Rocks I am a admirer of Poussin's paintings over Ruebens paintings because, I feel that clarity is important in visual arts. Although rubens detail and definition is not bad, the realism of Poussins work is great. His paintings, in my opinnion are ahead of its time. It has a realism feel to me in terms if the scene. I do agree with the statement that line stimulates the the intellect, but not more or less than color. It was said in this book that line feed the mind and color feed the senses. I disagree!! I think both equally feed the the mind and body. This would hint that a veiwer cant feel lining. Totally untrue in my opinnion. Finally the painting of Titans, the Rape of Europa is more appealing to me than the Rape of a Sabine women by Poussin. Titan s use of yellow pigment in the finising glaze adds abstract light to the painting. Once again, this painting probably fits another era like Enlightenment. Titans also uses cool colors here that are proportioned out throughout the painting. It's not displayed in this copy of the painting however, it would appear that an open compisiton was the flavor here. Lastly the fine lady in the front of Titans painting would be nice if it was not for the little kid showing all of us his JUNK!! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Jun 21 2008 16:52 Author: Rush Jr, Jerome <rsjsr@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! Spoken like a true professional Amy I agree tottaly. I am courius through if red is romantic what color would I be if I'm a romantic with a dash of freak.. Ok a whole lot of freak what color lol Nice review I enjoyed it Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Jun 22 2008 17:42 Author: Cameron, Meredith <fsmmc9@uaf.edu> https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 1 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Subject: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color From looking at Poussin's Rape of the Sabine Women and Titian's Rape of Europa I feel that Poussin's work invokes more emotion in me. The scene shows a much more powerful use of force over many women. The color, to me makes the painting busy and furthers the idea of chaos. Titian's work, although dramatic, the colors do not strike me as much due to the lack of contrast. The lines however in Titian's work add a lot to the work. My eye is drawn to the seeping clouds and her red scarf looking as to be torn off by movement of the incoming company. Poussin uses shaper lines and I am drawn down into the crowd by the use of the swords and staff (maybe spear) being held by the man descending down. Also the woman being carried off with her am out stretched to the building makes me see that this was just a portion of a scene. I know that Poussin relied on line much more than color to envoke the mind. I think that he accomplished this. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Jun 23 2008 01:22 Author: Agne, Juliet <fsjma4@uaf.edu> Subject: The Art of Lines and Colors I think line and color are both important in making a piece of art meaningful to its audience. Color is important for a painting because it gives a person a sense of what is going on in a picture, granted that picture is not black and white, but lines are the things that bring clarity to the picture. Take the painting titled Still Life with Cherries, Strawberries, and Gooseberries by Louise Moillon, the lines in the picture are used to serperate all the individual pieces of fruit in their designated bowls, but the colors clearly give it dimension by creating a dramatic backdrop for the fruit to sit in front of. The colors also give shape to each individual cherry, strawberry, and gooseberry by shading in the proper areas to give it the illusion of a 3-D object. However, if I had to choose one over the other, I think lines would be more important than colors because people are still able to comprehend pictures with no colors (think coloring books). Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 22:30 Author: Shake, Kristen <fskls22@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I really like the last line of your post- it really says it all! For me, I would rather have a painting of only color and no distinct lines than a painting of stiff lines in color! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 22:44 Author: Shake, Kristen <fskls22@uaf.edu> Subject: Color v. Line The debate between the application of color and the use of lines is really a personal opinion. There are some people https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 2 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM who will just absolutely be absorbed whole heartedly into the logical structure and cleanliness of the line (Alexander Calder) and those who will fall passionately in love with variations of color (Monet.) In my humble view, color is supreme over line. Colors have the amazing effect of bringing emotion to a piece. While line has the innate ability to frame one's thinking or direct one's gaze in a piece, it is the color which directs their heart and emotions. Impressionism proved this point for me. At the end of the day, I think a case can be made for both sides. Color and line are both tools of the trade, and at the end of the day, it is the artist who puts these two tools to work for them as they see fit. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 22:45 Author: Shake, Kristen <fskls22@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors Really well put! I unfortunately, agree with the opposite, which is probably why I was one of those kids which could never stay inside the lines of a coloring book anyway...haha! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 22:48 Author: Shake, Kristen <fskls22@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Baroque Rocks Well put. So, how do you feel about Jackson Pollack? He is someone who used both lines and colors equally--- do you see more weight in one in his work over the other? Or, are they equal to you as well? :) Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 23:04 Author: Peterson, Kasey <fskrp4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I definitely agree with you with the idea that color creates much more emotinon than lines alone. While I do enjoy art that is colorless much like that of William Blake's Europe: A Prophecy, seeing art work that includes color is much more appealing. One could take a very colorful art piece like those of Rosa Bonheur and the realistic color use is very enjoyable to look at. It just takes art to an entirely different level. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 23:10 Author: Peterson, Kasey <fskrp4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 3 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM What a perfect observation! "The lines tell the story and the color makes us feel it." You have it exactly right. The lines of art work are kind of like the root systems of a flower and the colors that are added are like the blossomsthey are what draws the viewer. Lines are critical in giving a piece definition but the colors are icing on the cake and I am definitely intrigued by the beauty of color. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jun 24 2008 23:12 Author: Peterson, Kasey <fskrp4@uaf.edu> Subject: Color is Superior Looking back at all of the art work we have discussed since the beginning chapters of this course, I have found that all of the pieces I have been drawn to are those with color. Sure black and white has it's subtle way of sharing a meaning, but the color art work creates an image for the viewer that is so much more detailed and much more memorable. While I understand that lines are important and they set boundaries for the color, the color aspect of art is definitely the most important and superior aspect in my eyes. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Jun 25 2008 01:07 Author: Song, Paul <fsps17@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I totally agree with you. I also believe that the when a person focuses on the lines of a painting you can see the detail and what the artist was trying to portray in the painting. The color is what gives you the feeling. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Jun 25 2008 14:48 Author: Maguire, Anna <fsalm14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I agree with you that many emotions can be expressed through color. However, to be the devil's advocate here, I also believe that much emotion can be expressed in a line. A line can be thick and bold, or faint and delicate. It can waver or be very straight. It can also be dark or light. It can show relative ease, or the struggle of the artist to scratch out an image. Sometimes I think that color can take away from the emotional and structural detail that can only be obtain through the use of lines. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Jun 25 2008 16:08 Author: Hansen, Kelly <fskjh7@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 4 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM I really enjoyed this piece too. It really drew my attention and it was interesting to look at! I really enjoyed your interpretation of it and I look at it a little differently now than before. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Jun 26 2008 13:33 Author: Bowen, Willow <fswrb1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! Great comments and observations. I too agree that the color in a picture gives it more passion and emotion then viewing something in black and white. For me, it seems the richer the color the more passionate I feel about the painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Jun 26 2008 13:39 Author: Bowen, Willow <fswrb1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line Very well said. I agree with you that the color of a piece is what brings it alive and connects to the viewer. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Jun 27 2008 22:06 Author: Cameron, Meredith <fsmmc9@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior I agree with you! Color can do some amazing things. I am really also drawn to color. However the more I think about it Im not even sure if being attracted to lines is even something I do. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Jun 28 2008 17:23 Author: Bruns, Brendon <fsbjb10@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I'm a big Calvin and Hobbes fan and I remember reading in one of his published comic books that when viewing a black and white image, the human eye is lazy and generally tends to focus on the light areas, ignoring the back ones. Knowing this, Bill Watterson (the author of the strip) would draw strips that were about 70-80% black by surface area. It looked like a normal comic strip except the black and white areas were reversed perfectly. Somewhat of an interesting play on color and line...The human brain really needs to take into account both. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 5 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Cheers! Brendon Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Jun 28 2008 17:26 Author: Bruns, Brendon <fsbjb10@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior While color is no doubt important, you can't just have "Color" floating about without any defined boundaries--it's really the combination of color and line that allows the brain to interpret what it's seeing. Line generally defines objects and color generally describes them. Perhaps? Cheers! Brendon Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Jun 29 2008 13:54 Author: Holleman, Alison <fsadh5@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color I liked this piece as well. I really like your interpretation of this piece of art. I was able to take another look at it and see where you were coming from. Thank you for that. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Jun 30 2008 18:00 Author: Novatsky, Gloria <fsgjn1@uaf.edu> Subject: Line v Color I used to think that art was all about the color. That was until my daughter came to be. She is an artist that only uses charcoals. Although the shading is nice, for me, the true artistic ability is the line. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Jul 02 2008 14:15 Author: Bedel, Frances <fnfdb@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I too like the painting Still Life with Cherries, Strawberries, and Gooseberries by Louise Moillon (page 125). Even for today's standards, I think it shows the 3-D effect more than any other picture I have seen. This is especially evident https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 6 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM with the water droplets in the foreground. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Jul 03 2008 02:49 Author: Campbell, Kyle <fskkc@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I think you said this well, and I agree that in the end line is more important for communicating images to an audience. However I wanted to point out that if Moillon's still life were in black and white, it would likely have never received the praise and attention it has. It is not simply the finely crafted lines that give this peice so much photorealism, but especially I believe it is the brilliance of color in the bowl of cherries that bursts with a sense of ripeness so realistic that the painting would not be the same without it. Shape and depth can still be acheived without using color, as in Jacques Louis David's The Tennis Court Oath where he only uses brown ink to comliment the delicate lines, giving it enormous depth and a three-dimensional aspect, but I believe the realism created by Moillon comes from the ripeness of the fruits she captured with brilliant red and yellow colors. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Jul 03 2008 03:03 Author: Campbell, Kyle <fskkc@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I also agree with you, and I although I think lines do have the abilility to create emotion, and not only logic and reason as some have already said, for example a single straight bold line on a canvas creates a sense of strength and oppressiveness, whereas a fine curvy line creates a sense of softness and affection, but i believe color is what brings paintings to life. If you imagine a world without color it seems very dull, lifeless, and in many ways depressing. The vibrance one feels when light and color fill the eye is what fills life with passion and emotion. Now imagine a world without line, and only color. Imagine if rather than writing with letters and symbols, we created a written language of only colors. The world would be confusing and disorienting, but full of vibrance and energy. I think its good we live in a world with both! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Jul 15 2008 09:00 Author: Hanson, D'Lila <fsdjh16@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I totally agree with you. Lines are important but color just gives it that something more! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Aug 23 2008 20:52 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 7 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Subject: Color or lines When comparing the value of color vs. line I think that they are both importent and have a part in make a piece of art meaningful. Lines play an important part because they help express ones feelings. Lines can be bold, faint, straight or wavy. When a picture is done in black and white Lines are the only focus. However, for me color is what draws me to a painting. When comparing Rubens Landing in Marsialles to Poussin's Rape of the Sabine Women, I like Rubens because of the details and the use of colors in his painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Aug 23 2008 20:54 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I have to agree, it is a pesonal opionion . Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Aug 23 2008 21:20 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color I have to agree, Poussin relied more on lines than color, his lines were stronge. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Aug 23 2008 21:22 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior color is what catches my eye. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Aug 23 2008 21:27 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Line v Color I have seen some very nice charcoal paintings. I have an aunt that used charcoal to draw the old homestead and they are beautiful. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 8 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 08:55 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! Very well put. I think that color adds emotion. I have seen so very good black and whites but most of them do not hold my interest. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 09:01 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Baroque Rocks I went back and looked at the paintings again after reading your response. You response was great and it gave me a better understanding of the painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 09:04 Author: Monson, Bonnie <fsbjm8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors Very well stated. Color is what makes a painting meaninful to me but I can see how lines are important in a painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 13:25 Author: Habermann, Elisabeth <fserh7@uaf.edu> Subject: Intention determines which is greater I think that both color and line have intense power in art and which is better depends on the situation. For imparting reality and a sense of finiteness color is no match for line. Line has the ability to tell the viewer what to see and think. It directs the viewer's interpretation of the painting. Paintings that are designed to show a lesson or value, such as "Oath of the Horatii", line imparts the message much clearer than color could. Color on the other hand is far superior for art that is designed for pleasure or beauty. Color can change a person's mood is a more broad way- allowing the viewer more freedom in interpretation. Color is also far better for works that are designed to show relaxation or comfort since it is a softer medium and doesn't fall as hardly on the viewer's eyes. For works such as "The Night Watch" color is able to highlight the most prominent subjects in a way that line https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 9 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM could not. If line was the chosen way of highlighting the main men then the rest of the figures would have to be blurred, and this would not be desireable. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 13:28 Author: Habermann, Elisabeth <fserh7@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I totally agree. For clarity and realization line is the rule, but for feeling color is the winner. I also have heard of studies that say things about certian colors and it is definitely true that some colors don't go well with others. A jumble of mixed, incoherent colors can put me on edge and is not visually pleasing on another level than jumbled lines. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Aug 25 2008 13:30 Author: Habermann, Elisabeth <fserh7@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior I agree that the works that focus on color are more visually pleasing- I love color myself in every form. But I think the artists who focus on line are not as intent on making pleasing pictures, but istead are focused on imparting a meaning. The line artists are trying to give the viewer a lesson. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Sep 25 2008 04:34 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Color vs. Line In my opinion line is the foundation of the art. We always start any sketches or shape or any kind of creation with line. Color is secondary thing which can be used after finishing a frame of a art. I agree color is also important because it makes art more vivid however without line art is not possible but without color we can express our feelings. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Sep 26 2008 19:06 Author: Berl, Barbara <fsbab18@uaf.edu> Subject: Stimulation verses Emotion Color has been proven to stimulate emotion in parts of the brain that are not ordinarily stimulated. Color seems to arouse and engage the viewer, it adds purity and strength to a painting, creating a mood. It is a softer https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 10 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM feeling. Choosing wether to like color over line is like asking someone will they always want spagetti over ice cream. I think the answer is that it would depend on the occasion, the mood, the chief,,,etc. Line can certainly direct the viewer to where the artist want's them to go. Lines bring focus and clarity and often prevent emotion. This may be the case with Poussin's "Rape of the Sabine Women". I think Poussin wanted the viewer to look at his work on a more critical level than emotional. Titian's "Rape of Europa"has wonderful color and deep texture, rather Baroque in how blurred parts of the painting are, vibrant brush strokes.But, I am not fond of the emotion I feel against the subject matter. Is it because I am more drawn in by the emotion of color? I agree that line can be emotional as well, but in a differnet way. Line is more thoughtful! In conclusion, I feel that both are important. But like the spagetti and the ice cream, different strokes for different folks, depending on the work and the time and the mood. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Sep 26 2008 19:09 Author: Berl, Barbara <fsbab18@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color I agree with You! I liked both works for different reasons. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Sep 26 2008 19:10 Author: Berl, Barbara <fsbab18@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I agree,,, at the end of the day it is all between the artist and the viewer. Their mood, their age, time of day, etc... alot of variables. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Sep 30 2008 10:56 Author: Abbott, Terra <astja19@uaa.alaska.edu> Subject: line vs. color I think using the line approach makes the painting look realistic and more like the natural world. The color approach has emotional sides and also unealistic side. When I compared Rubens and Poussin this depiction of realistic and unrealistic approach definitely held true but I do like both of the painters. Both have their own unique style. Terra Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 18:28 Author: VanDermeer, Matt <fsmjv5@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 11 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM I dont agree!! I think that you can use shades of light and dark, even in black and white, that will show emotion better than color even can in some cases. Line and shape to me is the part of a piece of art that really defines the piece. It is the factor that makes a piece intersting to look and or something that just blends together. It also can direct your eye to something in the piece that the artist wanted you to see more than the rest. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 18:31 Author: VanDermeer, Matt <fsmjv5@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I agree. line is almost always the most dominating part of a piece of art. Whether it be still, moving, or 3D art. Color can do some amazing things to a picture, but to me line and shading is the most important thing in a piece or art. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 18:34 Author: VanDermeer, Matt <fsmjv5@uaf.edu> Subject: Color, line, or maybe shading? In my opinion line is the most important thing in a piece of art. It defines what the central part of the piece is and where your eye is attracted. Color can be important but it is something that only enhances line. But is shading more important than Color. In a Black and White photograph there is no color, but shading can show the emotion of the piece, and show everything color can and more. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 06 2008 11:18 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color, line, or maybe shading? I agree with you. Shape is one of the important part of the art which is exactly defined by line. Color enhances the shape and the expression of art in some extent. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 06 2008 12:47 Author: Bozek, Nicole <fsnjb1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color vs. Line Although sketches and shapes are created with lines i believe that sketches without color are just there, boring in a way. Color helps the sketch come alive in a way. But it also possible to paint without using lines just paint blobs of color that all mesh together to create an image that creates itself rather than outlining it with lines. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 12 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 10 2008 15:35 Author: Scott, Amber <fsajs24@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Intention determines which is greater You have made very good points. I agree that the purpose of the piece is a huge factor in determining what the artist should use as his primary tools for conveying a message. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 10 2008 16:02 Author: Scott, Amber <fsajs24@uaf.edu> Subject: Appealing to a broader audience appeals to me Whether or not color or lines is more stimulating is hard to say. If the Poussinistes train of thought favored line because it appeals more to the mind and stimulates the intellect, (appealing more to the educated or elite class of society), I am immediately inclined to go the opposite way. Knowing that the Rubenistes favored color and argued that the stimulation of emotion appealed more to the common man appeals to me. Personally I am inclined to be attracted to all types of works, (black and white, vibrant colors, muted colors, intricate lines, simple portraits) but the mind set behind the splitting of the two camps, leads me to think I would have been a Rubeniste at heart. In my own home I choose artwork for the colors; to match my furniture and suit the room. I don't like trying to determine what message an artist is trying to convey, or what the hidden meaning is behind the obvious one. I enjoy art that is beautiful and fun. Landscapes, portraits, paintings depicting family, love or romance. Colors emphasize the emotions and deepen that personal connection I have with the piece. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 12 2008 14:19 Author: Milliken, Grace <fsgmm10@uaf.edu> Subject: Line vs. Color The debate of color vs. line can also be seen as a debate between Rococo style and Neoclassical style. During the 18th century, line was subordinate to color in the Rococo style and the opposite is true for the Neoclassical style of art. The Rococo style is characterized by lightness both of content and of color. For example in Jean-Antoine Watteau's "Pilgrimage to Cythera", Watteau uses color to show romantic pastimes and aristocratic hedonism. In fact Watteau was known to have a rubeniste sensibility which was the famous painter Peter Paul Ruben?s preferred style of art. Rubenistes maintained that color was truer to nature, line appealed only to the educated mind and color appealed to all. The Neoclassical style was known for its poussinistes who argued that line was superior over color because lines appeal to the mind where colors appeal to the senses. Jacque-Louis David was a poussiniste and his painting "Oath of the Horatii" shows the significance of lines because it appears to be a drawing that has been colored. David https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 13 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM believed clarity of statement was most important and was best achieved by drawing. Color and line both bring different importance to paintings; color with its emotion and how lines appeal to the mind. As a result I enjoyed both Neoclassical poussinistes and Rococo rubenistes style of artwork. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 12 2008 14:26 Author: Milliken, Grace <fsgmm10@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color vs. Line I think you can express your feelings in a painting without line and just color. In fact doesn't rubeniste and poussiniste artists both argue that color shows emotion? Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 12 2008 14:32 Author: Milliken, Grace <fsgmm10@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Stimulation verses Emotion I agree with your spegetti vs. icecream metaphor, both color and line are important in paintings, but for many different reasons. That was nicely put. What other level do you think Poussin wanted the viewer to look at "Rape of the Sabine Women"? Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 13 2008 19:39 Author: Pings, Kayleen <fskap14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! My first response was to say that color is the basis of emotion but I like your response to that with regard to line. With my experience w/ interior design, we focus heavily on color and lighting (a form of atmospheric color). But line can also make a room feel cold or welcoming depending on the style and degrees of line. Great point! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 13 2008 19:45 Author: Pings, Kayleen <fskap14@uaf.edu> Subject: We can read but can we really grasp the meaning... Art, in my view, should be appreciated by all. Beauty is not for the intellects alone but also for those without educational backgrounds. Color, therefore, has been proven to enhance our appreciation to aesthetically pleasing images. It creates an overall mood and we can feel the same emotions that the artist was trying to convey, whether https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 14 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM it be their own emotion or the emotion of the portrait being painted. Line is important as well to define figures and images that help us link other images together in a piece of art but I feel that line couldn't exist on its own whereas color could. Sure we can see line in a black and white image just as much as we can see the text on a page. But color is the meaning behind the art just as the emotions within a poem are understood. I don't know if that makes sense but I hope it does. Just because we look at a poem doesn't mean that we fully appreciate it or even understand the emotions underlying the meaning. Color is the emotion in art and without it we may not achieve the full understanding that artist has aimed for us to achieve. Forum: Color vs. Line Date: Mon Oct 13 2008 Author: Pings, Kayleen Subject: Re: The Art of Discussion Board 3 19:48 <fskap14@uaf.edu> Lines and Colors Absolutely! Well put! The vibrant reds within this painting make the painting complete! A black and white line drawing could never convey the same message that was conveyed with the vibrant colors. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 13 2008 19:50 Author: Pings, Kayleen <fskap14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Appealing to a broader audience appeals to me Great point! When we look at a painting we look for the emotion. And generally that emotion is stirred up within ourselves. Color is an amazing component of the emotions we perceive in any form of artwork. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 14:13 Author: Bowers, Alyssa <fsarb22@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I completely agree. The colors are what makes a piece of art. Black and whites can be so boring! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 14:44 Author: Bowers, Alyssa <fsarb22@uaf.edu> Subject: Importances of Line & Color Both the use of line and color are very important in paintings. Lines will define a painting while color adds feeling and interest. I think they work best together. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 15 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 14:46 Author: Bowers, Alyssa <fsarb22@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I can understand your point of view as well. I feel they are both equally important. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 15:21 Author: Lawrence, Kerry <fskpl1@uaf.edu> Subject: are we thinking yet? While overall, I prefer the rubenistes style of painting - I do have to say that I don't care for Titian's "Rape of Europa". It is a very dark piece that doesn't personally appeal to me. It is not my favorite example of the incredible artistic usage of color. I do enjoy Rubens "Garden of Love". I think that what I get from these pieces are a sense of un-reality - the surreal, perhaps. The blending and immersion of colors lends a sense of emotion that I don't get from Poussin's piece "Rape of the Sabine Women". While researching, I found a similar work by Rubens with the same title. It seems to reflect a little more anxiety and desperation that I feel is missing in the hard lines of Poussin's work. I disagree with the theory that either of these artistic approaches is better than the other. Each of them provide differing views which I believe are necessary to the growth and development of any form of art. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 15:26 Author: Lawrence, Kerry <fskpl1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! Do you wonder if perhaps Poussin's "Rape of the Sabine Women" was done exclusively with lines, using shades to emphasize - that it would be a more emotionally moving piece? I ask simply because I personally prefer the use of color to express emotion and had not even thought about the many different forms a line can take. I genuinely enjoy your insights - it helps me immensely! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 15:30 Author: Lawrence, Kerry <fskpl1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color, line, or maybe shading? perhaps - but I can also see how a lack of lines can create feeling - and to be specific shading is not only a "shade" but a level of black/white ratio. It can also be found in a red/white ratio and still project similar emotion. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 16 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Personally, I feel lines fence you in. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 17:35 Author: Jackson, Jamie <fsjlj25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I totally agree with you. Black and white pictures are good but colore you get to feel more emotion with. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 17:36 Author: Jackson, Jamie <fsjlj25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior Kasey I agree with you. Black and white pictures are nice but lack feeling. I would be more interested in seeing something in color than black and white. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 17:41 Author: Jackson, Jamie <fsjlj25@uaf.edu> Subject: Does line really stimulate the mind? I think that line can stimulate the mind. Like the optical illusions that people see. For example the black and white picture of the two faces or is it a vase. Line makes you think of what the picture is. Color lets you feel emotion and what you want to feel. I believe line does stimulate the mind. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 23:06 Author: Brown, Sheena <fssjb19@uaf.edu> Subject: Color vs. Line I like Nicolas Poussin over Paul Rubens. The reason that I don't like Paul Rubens paintings is that his paintings are more about storyline and not about action. There are no tenseness. To me lines make up the action or passion that one sees and although the colors are nice, it doesn't have that added emotion because of the lines. In his The Garden of Love you can tell who the most important figure in the painting was the queen. It has a high key value and warm colors. You can tell who is the focus of the picture. It tells me a story of people having a good time. However, the lines that it is missing, makes it seem emotionless to me, even though its supposed to depict the pleasures of life. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 17 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM The reason that I like Nicolas Poussin is although it may not make a lot of sense, it has a lot of action. All I see is a guy on top of the pillar looking at a war that is going on down below. If I didn't know the story behind it, I wouldn't have known that the guy watching was instructing the soldiers to get wives from the place they were pillaging. The lines do show action, such as the the guy that is painted bronze-yellow who has a curved line about him as he is trying to shake people off. One can also see the contour lines. Or the gesture lines of the men that are picking up the woman and carrying them away while the woman are motioning toward the babies that are being left on the ground. The action that these convey show me a war, full of emotion, triumph and pain. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 23:13 Author: Brown, Sheena <fssjb19@uaf.edu> Subject: To Kayleen I believe that line is most important because it conveys the emotion through the lines that are drawn. The people that move toward something or hold someone is part of the lines. The colors are nice, yes, and do add depth to a picture. But lines are everywhere. They are in the building, the folds of clothes, the gesture on a face. But other then that I agree with your points. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 10:12 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color vs. Line I agree, we can paint without line but personally I like the line based art because line makes art more definite and clear. We can compare ' Rape of the Sabine Women' and ' The Rape of Europe'. Nicolas Possian's Rape of the Sabine Women is more attractive than The Rape of Europe. The background of this art is also impressive with beautiful architectural pillars and a building. This looks more realistic, sensitive, and natural than the The Rape of Europe. In Titan's The Rape of Europe swirling color, different brushstroke making its action less attractive and indefinite. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 10:23 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: are we thinking yet? Of course both of them have their own values in the development of arts. I think comparison is not bad idea for the development because it can reveal the weaknesses and the strength of these arts and help them to improve in the future. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 18 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 10:35 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I am with you.....In my opinion, line can make more sense than color does. The 'Rape of the Sabine Women' appealing something with realistic pain but in the ' Rape of Europe' which is dim and looks more fictional. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 16:16 Author: Linen, Kelissa <fskp16@uaf.edu> Subject: The Color of Art I think that the text (pg 124) " Thus, to ask whether line or color is superior is to question whether the educated person or the lay person is the ultimate audience for art..." poses a very particularly interesting question. Does line symbolize intelligence? To look at a painting, then distinguish between what the artist was showing you versus what you are seeing simply holds an aesthetic meaning. Does the line help you visualize what the artist is showing you or does it take away? I think that line does help distinguish nobility, however I do not think that color takes away from the minds view. To feel art, you have to both think and feel it...whether the use of color or line is at play...I think art is an equal opportunity beauty to be appreciated by all. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 16:19 Author: Linen, Kelissa <fskp16@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I like what you said that a "line can make a room feel..." I personally think that when dealing with Art, whether there is lack of line or lack of color, it is a perceived feeling that enables our thoughts to determine a logical response or an emotional response. Any view of art is feeling based, followed with thought. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 16:23 Author: Linen, Kelissa <fskp16@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I enjoy looking at art and noticing that one detail, where line is used to draw your attention, and then the colors felt are to be followed. At is definitely an expression of both thoughts and feelings. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 19 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Fri Oct 17 2008 20:42 Author: Kuiper, Forrest Jade Star <fnfjk@uaf.edu> Subject: Line vs. Color In my opinion only, I feel that line has a more powerful effect than color does in paintings. Line can guide a viewers eyes into what the artist wants you to view. Line can differentiate views and the perception as one sees it. Color can still be very powerful if used is durastic measures. Bold colors can make a statement and be powerful. Colors tend to provide more ease and pleasure to viewing something. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 09:12 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Color of Art I think in some extent line art symbolizes intelligence because we need to have some knowledge about geometric theories, shape, form of view (angle), and some mathematics to understand the size and scale of the art etc. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 09:36 Author: Dhungana, Shusila <fssd6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Line vs. Color I agree with you. I think line is boundary of any shape of the arts. Line can fix the shape and size of the art properly, also makes it easy to define or express any feeling. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 17:52 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Its a tie Although I tried to find superiority in line or color, as an artist I find qualities that lay within both forms that prove necessary. Combining them in the proper manner, eliciting thought and emotion, is what most artists desire to accomplish. As far as the artwork of Peter Paul Rubens and Nicolas Poissin, both contrary in display of strengths in form, but both also display masterful artistic talent. To say one is better that another because of their form undermines their talent and categorizes negatively, attributes of their work. I will say I find Rubens works curly, wavy, and loose, where as I found Poissin?s works to be much more clean, crisp, and tight. I prefer the tightness and crispness of the latter. As I said, I am an artist, so this whole concept of one form commanding authority over the next, is a relatively new https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 20 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM concept for me. A piece of word must contain line in order to format, unless it is an abstract of color, and even then some sort of line formation would exist. A picture can exist without color, but it would be difficult to express yourself without lines. Although these artists focused on one form, they incorporated both, creating pieces that are famous even today. As the division of line and color are even further eschewed by modern artistic eras, we realize there are no rules for color, form, and creativity. There are only tastes? Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 17:59 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: are we thinking yet? I know I saw it somewhere, but I could not find the painting, Rape of Europa. What page was it on.? I agree with you when you say that neither are the winners, and that both exhibit masterful talent.As artwork has developed, the form of colors and lines have been distorted to the artists design, to the delight of many. I thought a focus of line was stiff, as the focus on color to loose, but both essential to the progression of all forms of art. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 18:09 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Does line really stimulate the mind? I believe your right in saying that line stimulates the mind, but what of a painting with only color, and no line formation. That would also stimulate the mind. I think both are essential and both have their attributes. Without the emotion provided by color, one might be left only to think....(HaHa) Interesting bit of info, did you know that the perception of optical illusions depends on cultural attributes. I find that interesting... Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 18:14 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Intention determines which is greater I agree that the situation may interpret which one should be dominant, which I had never really thought about. The crispness of line in the Rape of the Sabine Woman demonstrates the desire to make out detail after detail, which one might feel neccesary due to the subject. I find both just as admirable and important, but did not think of the subject leading the form... https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 21 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 18:34 Author: Magee, Heather <fshme@uaf.edu> Subject: A personal choice between Color and Line. Color vs. Line, that is the question. After reading many of your threads and thinking hard and long about what the differences are between color and line, I would have to say that it is simply a personal preferace to one or the other. We are all looking at art from a very unique perspective, our own. No one else sees art the way we do; sure we may agree on a few things but our "perspective" is a one of a kind view. I believe that seeing lines stimulates our minds. Black, white, and gray lines are the basics to what we see. If we look at a picture for a long time then close our eyes, what remains in you mind? It is the outline of the object, usually just the line. I also believe that colors stimulate our minds; so much that our emotions are effected by them. I liked what one lady said about the colors enhancing moods and how she uses certain colors when she does interior decorating because it is such an important factor in our daily lives. When talking about visual arts, paintings, pictures, I love color and the effect that it has on me. However, there are times when black and white (especially in photographs) and simple lines are more apealing to me. It all depends on what the painting is and what the objective is for the peice of art. Just like a photograph, I think, "what is the purpose of looking at this? What is the objective?" Do I have an emotional response or learn something new? Can I walk away feeling inspired or do I feel grief? Line and color employ different purposes and I think a combination of both is nice. Both aspects together create a good balance. But like I said, it is a personal choice, and every situation is different and we all have very unique perspectives. We all will have a totally unique experience when looking at one peice of artwork. It is always interesting to ask my children what they see when they look at a picture or a painting, they always inspire me to think out of the box (the box that contains color and line.) Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 19:15 Author: Drexler, Lugene <fslad4@uaf.edu> Subject: Color vs Line The artist I prefer is Nicholas Poussin. Poussin worked in terms of lines which means creating patterns and textures, to imply three dimensions (pg.XXII ). In Poussin?s Rape of the Sabine Women, the pattern is in the sets of men and women together. There is a lot of action in the foreground on the left and right with spacing in the middle which could be a pattern also. I am being stimulated by looking more closely at these paintings in the books. Color in a painting would be considered to be the sensation produced by various wavelengths of light in different hues. In comparing Poussin?s Rape of the Sabine Women and Titan?s The Rape of Europa, I saw the influence of religion in Titan?s painting and it was not very realistic where Poussin?s painting could have actually happen. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 18 2008 19:23 Author: Drexler, Lugene <fslad4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie Hi There, I wanted to comment the comment of no color in picture. I think color does bring about more stimulation, but I have seen black and white photography that is very impressive when it comes to beauty. Liked Poussin's over Rueben's,because Reubin's painting seems too busy even though Poussin's is busy but there seems better laid out. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 22 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Rusty Drexler Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 07:06 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie That was the medium I was refering to. Black and white photoes entice both thought and emotion. A certain amount of silence and ambiance is added when a picture is reverted to shades of black and white, that color may not provide. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 13:09 Author: Drexler, Lugene <fslad4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie The black and white photo on page 239 is quite impressive and beautiful. The lack of color do not take away from the subject matter. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 13:59 Author: Kuiper, Forrest Jade Star <fnfjk@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: A personal choice between Color and Line. I agree with the difference being a personal choice. As with any art form, every person views it differently and has a different perspective on how they view it. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 14:13 Author: Pallozzi Jr, Lawrence <fslap9@uaf.edu> Subject: lines I like Poussin because the painting is more defined. the lines definately make a big difference in paintings to me. the Ruban paintings are not as defined and are not as appealing to me. the paintings by Poussin and Titian while both are concerned with the rape of somthing in Titian the Rape of Europa and Poussin Rape of Sabine Women the name is the only thing that seems like that to me. the Titian painting is similar to Ruban in that the lines are not as defined. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 23 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 15:42 Author: Bozek, Nicole <fsnjb1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie i agree that the fact the picture is missing color doesn't detract from the painting it self but as for preference to me I would rather look at paintings with lots of color. I love color. Black and white is just soo plain to me. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 19 2008 15:48 Author: Bozek, Nicole <fsnjb1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior that's not necessarily true. You can have color floating around without an lines even in the painting. For example the painting called "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grand Jatte" focus on your eyes blending in together to get the general shape of the people and place based on the dots which i know was created later on but it still shows how line is not necessary in a painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 04:40 Author: Tennyson, Bethany <fsbct1@uaf.edu> Subject: Titian and Poussin comparison Titian was an exquisite and unique Renaissance artist whose style of painting involved usually only the colors red and white. His paintings were brilliant due to the detail brought forth to making a particular object stand out in the spotlight, even though only the two colors were used. Energy, passion, and violence are all characteristics portrayed revealed with the use of the color red. In his painting, ?The Rape of Europa,? Titian?s use of the color red brings the painting to the dramatic and emotional point he wanted to portray. With a title such as, ?The Rape of the Sabine Women,? you?d anticipate a painting depicting the cruelty and brutality associated with rape, yet the effect of Poussin's painting is the exact opposite. The title is misleading because the painting features extreme expressions and gestures but in spite of the dramatic subject the effect it renders from its audience is an unmoving emotional response. This impassive reaction is reflected on Poussin?s style of drawing technical and perfect characters, which seem to be frozen from a scene of a play. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 15:00 Author: Magee, Heather <fshme@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Stimulation verses Emotion I agree! I like what you said about how different situations and moods have an impact on what your preferenced may be. Personally, it depends not only on my mood and the context of the artwork but whether it is a painting, a https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 24 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM photograph, an etching, or a crayon drawing by my daughter. It is nice to be able to change our minds and preferences at the drop of a hat. Today might just be ice cream for me. Heather Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 15:22 Author: Magee, Heather <fshme@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Titian and Poussin comparison I disagree with your comment on the title "Rape of the Sabine Women" being misleading. Not to disrespect you by any means, but when I look at this painting I envision the future events of this moment as well as what is happening right then. This painting represents the kidnapping of the Sabine women regardless of their marital status or number children or age. What do you think happened after they took these women? I will assume they were raped sexually, repeatedly, knowing the history and story behind the painting. But you are right in that the painting doesn't actually show the sexual rape of the women. To me this painting means the rape of life, freedom, love, and innocence. I agree that Poussin's work was organized and clean, using line to get his point across, he was a very talented artist. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 23:32 Author: Hundertmark, Amy <fsach13@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I have always liked sketches without color. I believe that they allow you to consider the sketch for what it was originally intended. I enjoy gray scale sketches so much that I decided to have my tattoo designed in gray scale. My tattoo is of a lily (which, obviously, is a colored flower) but it has so much depth and dimension in gray scale that I decided to not add color to it. The long and short of it is that I think line has so much to do with works of art that color doesn't have to be involved for the work to be beautiful. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 23:35 Author: Hundertmark, Amy <fsach13@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: are we thinking yet? I agree that not all art would be the same without the certain lines or colors used. For instance, Starry Night would not be the masterpiece it is without the colors or the lines that were used. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 20 2008 23:53 Author: Bookey, Kimberly <fskab21@uaf.edu> Subject: Whats more important, color or lines? https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 25 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM I feel both of these aspects are important when dealing with visual art. Color plays a powerful role in our world we live in. This characteristic helps us form our thought, ideas, changes our actions, and causes us to react to things we come across. It is one of the most influential forms of communication we use in society. We respond to color on many levels. It can be used to describe an object, emotion, symbolic, and even psychological meaning. Without color the world would be plain and dull. Lines are just as important as color is. If there were no lines, artwork would look sunken in and not attractive. Even though lines aren't seen or noticed to much in nature, it is a major concept when depicting objects, symbols, and defining shapes. Lines are normal and basic characteristics of visual art. They are an artificial device that we use when we interpret things being used to represent an object of something. They help us in communication, as well as color does. Lines help describe surfaces, define edges of objects, increases variety of an image. They also change appearance in how thick, thin, light, dark, solid, broken, and colored. These are just a few techniques to show how lines are important when observing artwork. These two aspects are equal in quality when viewing visual art. They both support one another. I can't see one being better then the other. They both need each other to create a masterpiece for the world to communicate and understand its meaning. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 00:20 Author: Bookey, Kimberly <fskab21@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I agree that lines are important, but when art work is viewed it should give an understanding of what the artist is trying to express. This is where color plays an important role. Color is used to express emotions and ideas, without both of these aspects it is hard to grasp the artists interpretations and thoughts. Both of these characteristics create visual art. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 03:47 Author: Tennyson, Bethany <fsbct1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Titian and Poussin comparison Though I agree that this painting represents the rape of life, freedom, love, and innocence, in actuality, none of the impressions or emotions associated with this horrific event are inflicted and brought out within the viewer; which refers to the ?misleading? in title I had mentioned. With the word rape in a title my expectation of the painting was that it would entail the use of reds, bringing energy and a dramatic effect to the painting, such as in, The Rape of Europa. Cleverly, Poussin?s style of drawing contains technical and perfect characters frozen in time, rather then using colors to obtain reactions from the viewers, leaving me pleasantly surprised. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 07:10 https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 26 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Author: Lawrence, Kerry <fskpl1@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: are we thinking yet? I found the Rape of Europa online through one of our additional resources - I'm not completely sure which one at the moment - I'll have to get back to you! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 12:18 Author: Pings, Kayleen <fskap14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: To Kayleen I do agree with you when you say that line is important. I think that it is important for us to consider art splashes on canvas though. All of us have seen art classes where we throw color onto an canvas and the color is supposed to represent out moods and feelings. I have done these as I'm sure many of us have done. This is also important for the painting "Still Life with Cherries, Strawberries, and Gooseberries". This painting done by Louise Moillon wouldn't be as vivid without the use of deep colors and contrast. If it were simply a line drawing in black and white it wouldn't be as interesting. Art is for everyone, from the high aristocrats to the lowest classes in every country. Intellectuals will appreciate line more but what about the lower classes? I feel as though color brings us all together in a mutual understanding of emotion and feeling. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 12:35 Author: Gerdes, Kathleen <fskeg@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! While I think I understand that you are saying that color is vital to a piece, I would say that line is vital as well. Both are used in combination with the other elements to give a piece meaning, kind of like music--it would be dull without varieties of notes and dynamics. Moreover, it'd be extremely hard to separate line and color from each other. Most black and white pictures have shades of gray involved, and implied lines are formed when two colors meet. The only real difference between works of line and works of color is in their emphasis of one element over another. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 12:38 Author: Gerdes, Kathleen <fskeg@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! That is really cool! I definately didn't know that! I should go and read Calvin and Hobbes again! https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 27 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 12:42 Author: Saydi, Tasaha <fstmb29@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie Take the same picture on page 239 and put color in it. In would not have the same effect. A women sitting in a manger with her infant child, with color the portrait might just be though of, as just that. But, when you take away the color, you add mystery. A close-up of a child sleeping in a stroller, in blask and white, would evoke different emotions in my opinion, as I believe the picture on page 239 does, as well. Now take away line... Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 12:43 Author: Gerdes, Kathleen <fskeg@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Baroque Rocks Jackson Pollack may have used lines and color equally, but they seem pretty random, and not like pictures of any specific thing. One thing about his works which is kinda neat, I think, is that some studies have been done on his works, showing that they are fractals. Math and art collide in Pollack's work! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 13:06 Author: Gerdes, Kathleen <fskeg@uaf.edu> Subject: Complimetary elements A lot of you all have said that the lines shape the piece, but color gives it meaning (poor color-blind people). I don't think that line and color work disjointly in a piece, but rather that they work together to develop whatever theme, meaning, or emotion the artist was trying to express: most black and white photographs and works still have shading, and lines are implied when two colors are placed next to each other. Personally, I prefer Poussin's "Rape of the Sabine Women" to Titians because it looks more realistic, well, that and I can name architectural elements from the building behind the people, and I don't understand why there is a bull in Titian's painting. However, I like Titan's "Venus with a Mirror" better than I like Poussin's "Rape of the Sabine Women." Basically, I like to be able to see and understand the artwork, and then pick my favorites from that point. Rubenistic works generally appeal to me less than Poussinistic ones. I don't think that which style somebody prefers depends solely on their education level. It seems like a superficial distinction to me anyway, because in the end it doesn't really matter which style anyone prefers, as long as people don't get into fist fights over it. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 14:22 https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 28 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Author: Shelden, Kimberley <lskas@uaf.edu> Subject: Painting Styles Some art depends on line while other focuses on color. Both forms of art are significant and carry its own value and effectiveness. Certain art has more of a profound effect with color while other forms of art have a stronger emotional effect with lines. I appreciate both forms of art. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 14:24 Author: Shelden, Kimberley <lskas@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color or lines I agree with you that they are both significant and carry its own value and effectiveness on the work. I prefer colors as well. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 14:29 Author: Shelden, Kimberley <lskas@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Whats more important, color or lines? You are correct in stating that they are both very much needed. Color does have a very profound effect in the world we live in. Color brings things to life and gives character. Lines are very effective as well, they add much character and depth, which can also "bring things to life." Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 19:05 Author: Berl, Barbara <fsbab18@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Stimulation verses Emotion I think just very critically! Thanks Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 19:06 Author: Berl, Barbara <fsbab18@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Whats more important, color or lines? I totally agree that without line the art work seems to sink. I think this is why I am not fond of much of the Impressionist work! https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 29 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 20:10 Author: Gundersen, Jason <fsjdg14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: The Art of Lines and Colors I will have to say that in my eyes, there has yet to be a photo in black and white that i have felt more emotion out of than a piece that is in color. But i do know people that after taking a photo and messing around with it on there cameras really did like the black and white photos better. It seems like maybe it is just easier to follow the lines in a black and white picture as opposed to having to pay much more attention to lines and the different colors in that of a colored piece. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 20:17 Author: Gundersen, Jason <fsjdg14@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color v. Line I actually do like that point. I am a person who enjoys color due to the added emotion and possibly more positive feelings about a peice. But i think that you are right when saying that with the lines and gray scales you really can create depth. It really is all a personal opinion though as others have said, as well as the piece itself as some pieces of art may be better in either color, while others are simply better in black and white. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 22:21 Author: Emery, Christel <fscle4@uaf.edu> Subject: I need color Although I like and see the importance of both line and color I personally would choose color. The effects you can get from color have always gotten my attention more. With color you have the wide range of light and shadow and colors in the painting can completely change it's mood and emotional response. Depending on if you use light or dark colors or certain colors that have meaning like green can be envy. There is a lot that you can do with line but I have always loved color. I have always said that I could never live in a world without color, I am the type of person that goes crazy in places with plain white walls. I also personally tend to like the more dramatic colored paintings, ones with a lot of pigment, saturation, and use of shadow. That might be why I liked the Baroque paintings. I do know from taking sculpture that line is very essential for it, it is probably one of the most import parts but in painting color comes first for me. When we describe things color is one of the first items we use. I know for me color just creates more feeling. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 22:28 https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 30 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Author: Emery, Christel <fscle4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Whats more important, color or lines? I liked what you said about the world being dull without color and that you need both to make a masterpiece. After reading what you wrote I also thought more about line. My first response was all about color but I didn't even think about how lines help with communication. I also forgot to think about the many techniques you can use with line. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 22:47 Author: Stormont, Jason <fsjrs64@uaf.edu> Subject: To each his own.... Ok, just to clarify before we get going here, Poussin worked with the line, while Rubens emphasized more on color. The difference is clear. If you look at Rubens' "The Garden of Love," there are many brighter, more vivid colors amid the plain brown temple behind it and dirt ground below. Just look at the many different colored dresses the women are wearing in the picture, as well as the trees and clear blue sky in the background. On the other hand, Poussin's "Rape of the Sabine Women" shows fine outer edges to the figures within, even on the building more rightward. Because of this detail of lines its easier to gather the emotions within the scenario (that is, if the word "rape" doesn't tell you so already). I would neither agree or disagree with the argument that line stimulates the intellect. One could say that the lack of detail could lead one to use his/her imagination to decide EXACTLY what's going on. On the other hand, with the vivid detail, we engross ourselves into a more specific scenario, and are better able to imagine ourselves in such a predicament. I am puzzled as to which side I would have to put money on. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 22:50 Author: Stormont, Jason <fsjrs64@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color, line, or maybe shading? I quite agree. The line defines the boundary and exacts more specific emotion. I would have to say that color wins over shade, because its vividness brings out emotion more so than shading. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 23:29 Author: Karns, Brittany <fsbrk6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I enjoyed all of the comments in this thread, and I agree; I like color in my art! I especially appreciate the initial observation about how color impacts our emotions - not only on a conscious level but also on a scientifically researched and documented subconscious level. I really like trying to back up opinions with science. Great! https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 31 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 23:52 Author: Barr, Kimberly <fskdb12@uaf.edu> Subject: Color vs. Line Peter Paul Rubens had painted in rich, luminous, glowing color and light rather than in line. When he painted, he made it possible so that everything had become vigorous to the point of demonstration, even when it was not required by who he was painting for. Because of this, his paintings appealed more to the eye rather than to the mind. Nicolas Poussin painted so his figures appeared to be wild gestures and expressions but still the action was still and the effect was frozen. He worked in terms of line rather than in color so his painting style was intended to be more for the mind rather to the eye. Appreciation of his paintings meant that one had to know the story that was being depicted and told. I personally like Nicolas Poussin?s paintings better. They are painted as it whoever is looking at one can depict and relay what they personally think is going on in the painting. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 23:53 Author: Karns, Brittany <fsbrk6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Complimetary elements I think I largely agree. I have been thinking about abstract artworks I have seen in which the content appears to consist of a series of different colored paint splatters. Alternatively, there is much more abstract artwork that employs slightly more structure than this but is ultimately dominated by the use of a pattern of color that has no actual subject. While this is a far cry from the works of Ruben, I find that such color-only artwork is pleasant but, at least to me as a viewer, relatively meaningless. While I will say that I adore color and colorful artwork as opposed to black and white, I also find that I prefer Poussin's pieces when compared to Reubens. The structure of the lines do seem to lend a structure to the piece that I appreciate; I find the seeming lack of differentiation in The Garden of Love and Marie de' Medici, Queen of France, Landing in Marseilles, a little disconcerting. Bottom line, however, is that I want both. I don't want color without line, I don't want line without color. I like to employ both my intellect and senses. I ultimately enjoy art that utilizes my senses most, and yet I find that line is necessary for this to take place. Conversely, line appeals to my mind, but line with appropriate use of color defines things all the more. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 23:54 Author: Karns, Brittany <fsbrk6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Complimetary elements Whups, just noticed... get it... bottom LINE... (bottom color... nope) haha... Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 32 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Date: Tue Oct 21 2008 23:57 Author: Karns, Brittany <fsbrk6@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Intention determines which is greater Great observation; I hadn't thought about differentiating when one might be more important than another. Thanks! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Oct 22 2008 00:47 Author: Bookey, Kimberly <fskab21@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Whats more important, color or lines? Thanks. When taking a minute to think about the two, I realized that lines and color are two equals. They need each other to create the masterpiece. Without the other one, it is not complete. Glad to see I have others agreeing! Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Oct 22 2008 16:19 Author: Kuiper, Forrest Jade Star <fnfjk@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: I need color I agree 100 percent with it being a personal choice. That is what I wrote about. One perspective and one opinion will differ from that of the next person who looks at it. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Oct 22 2008 21:10 Author: KelJenkins, Deb <rsdfk@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color Vs. Line Color wins hands down. I like color of all shades and hues. When i look at something or something has caught my eye, it is usually color that has made me stop and take a second look. I could say to that this is most of the time. There have been times when the lines in the paintings have made me stop and sometimes have a wow factor. Lines in bamboo for instance i love and understand, but when it comes to painting i have learned a lot so far but it is the color by far that draws my attention to a photograph. Just like it does in the book we read. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Oct 22 2008 21:12 Author: KelJenkins, Deb <rsdfk@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: I need color https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 33 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM I agree with you 100 percent. I love color and the brighter the better. Although i love all colors of all sorts on the color wheel. I to don't like white walls and don't have any in my house. i agree to that i could not live in a world with no color. That would be like all of us being of one color with no variations. What fun would that be? I like the renaissance period paintings and yes, color creates all kinds of feeling. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 18:48 Author: Wright, Candace <fscmw25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Intention determines which is greater Elisabeth, how do you feel about combining the two? Intense color as well as depth and lines that draw a person into the painting... Would love to hear your thoughts. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 18:54 Author: Wright, Candace <fscmw25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color, line, or maybe shading? Really liked the thought of black and white pictures. Despite it being a print or painting the shading would be a very important part of line features adding depth- like you said. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 18:58 Author: Wright, Candace <fscmw25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Color is Superior Do you think that is because the color is the first thing the is obvious to you? Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 19:00 Author: Wright, Candace <fscmw25@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Stimulation verses Emotion I think you have it on the emotional side of things. Such as when they paint hospital rooms peach to enhance a peaceful ambiance. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 34 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 19:05 Author: Wright, Candace <fscmw25@uaf.edu> Subject: Color on the Line Color is the first aspect of a painting that they eye notices. Even before the lines come into view you can tell if there is color or not. if there is not appealing colors within the painting a person may not come closer to pay attention to the details of the painting. As i was walking in Prague a few weeks ago I noticed a lot of venders along the streets selling paintings. They always put out their colorful pieces where it would catch the public's eye. The more subtle paintings or detailed were in the shops or below the brighter paintings. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sun Oct 26 2008 11:46 Author: Anklowitz, Ashley <fsana8@uaf.edu> Subject: Lines VS Color I am a huge fan of black and white photography and have found that yes sometimes color is needed but the more important thing to have is lines. With out lines all you have are random colors next to each other. Lines are the foundation to any piece of art. Statues and architecture are great examples of this. Yes some have color but most are the color of the material they were made with. And to further that thought with out the lines in those pieces then they would just me hunks of marble or wood or what ever the case may be. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 27 2008 20:01 Author: Johnson, Danielle <fsdmj8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I agree that lines are more defining and seem to tell more about the picture Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 27 2008 20:05 Author: Johnson, Danielle <fsdmj8@uaf.edu> Subject: Lines v.s Color I enjoy looking at painting that have very definitive lines, versus the art in the impressionist age. I did not really enjoy a lot of their painting, they seem blurry and out of focus. I like the art of the renaissance era because of the lines and the shading that gives the painting depth and passion. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 35 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 27 2008 20:07 Author: Johnson, Danielle <fsdmj8@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Sabine Woman and Europa- Lines V. Color Reading your entry gave me an entirly different way of seeing his picture. Thank-You Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Oct 27 2008 20:49 Author: Biggs, Regena <rabiggs@uas.alaska.edu> Subject: Re: Woman of Color! I have to agree, I think the depth of color makes all the difference in how we feel about a piece. I particularly like the deep, rich, dark, daring colors that seem to be most associated with the Baroque era. Forum: Color vs. Line Date: Mon Oct 27 2008 Author: Biggs, Regena Subject: Re: The Art of Discussion Board 3 20:53 <rabiggs@uas.alaska.edu> Lines and Colors I would have to agree with you on this, I think it seems to matter what you are looking for in the work that will make the determination of color or line. When we are looking for specific emotions, I believe that we get it better from a color piece, yet, the black and white are very diamentional, so it is easier to see where something ends and something begins. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Sat Nov 01 2008 19:48 Author: KelJenkins, Deb <rsdfk@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Its a tie I do agree with you that there are some pictures that do not benefit from colorizing them. It does take away from the effect the photographer was trying to obtain. I love the picture of the woman in the manager with her infant child and i would not like to see that picture in color. I don't think it would have the same soft, serene effect it has now being that it is in black and white. I think back to my grandparents days when all of their portraits were done in black and white and i have see some colored over. The effect of the original portrait was lost in the colorizing of it. The softness, etc. was lost somehow. Not to say that all black and white should stay that way. It has been great to see some old black and white movies colorized with the technology we have today. But i think sometimes we should leave well enough alone. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 36 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Nov 06 2008 00:44 Author: Biggs, Regena <rabiggs@uas.alaska.edu> Subject: line-vs-color When I am looking a something, i think what allows me to recognize what exactly i am looking is the lines in the piece, are they broke,or are they solid, they also allow me to determine the dimension of the piece. What the color does for me is infer the mood of the work. certain colors define a specific mood. after i have determined the dimension of the piece, i can then determine the mood the artist wants to imply.This will allow me to see the work in a different light, as opposed to the first assumption i may have about the piece.The impressionist and post impressionist works are the hardest for me. They are blurry and even though i can look at the piece and know what i am looking at, i have a very difficult time seeing what the artist might be implying. and this particular era did not seem to use line, but mostly color. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Nov 06 2008 01:04 Author: Biggs, Regena <rabiggs@uas.alaska.edu> Subject: photography I have to say, that to me the invention of photography which led up to moving pictures, was one of the greatest artist achievements of all time. The fact we could now see things as they were really happening, without an artists interpretation, was simply remarkable. Mathew Brady was obviously ahead of his time. He was able to see how this new technology was going to affect the people, even though he died bankrupt, he was able to see this new technology as something that would lead to people being able to see life in all its glory. Before this time, people were only able to see what the artist wanted them to see. So, the perception was in the hands of the artist. But, with photography, this was not the case. The artist would take the picture in all its reality and gory detail, and then the viewer was able to react to the work without any undue prompting by the artist. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Nov 10 2008 11:44 Author: Scott, Amber <fsajs24@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Appealing to a broader audience appeals to me I am reminded of how much of the viewers response is dependent on our own personal experiences and backgrounds. Color and line are important, but so are many other factors that play on our emotions. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Nov 12 2008 16:27 Author: Spehar, Joni <fsjms64@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: line-vs-color https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 37 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM You make a very vaild point about lines vs. colors. However, lines are being out dated. Colors are more updated and better looking. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Wed Nov 12 2008 16:32 Author: Spehar, Joni <fsjms64@uaf.edu> Subject: lines vs color I have to say that colors are the new age. When paintings are done these days lines tend to disappear. Even furnature sleek lines are going away. Colors make paintings original and more discreet. I would have to say that lines help with deffinition but not making painting more easier to see. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Nov 13 2008 16:00 Author: Vallejos, Kelsey <fskjv4@uaf.edu> Subject: Color vrs. Line In my Opinion color has always been a bigger factor in pulling in interest and detailing an emotion in any kind of drawing, painting, or photography. Lines can bring out an image and make you understand it better but without using any kind of color to manipulate the senses I think it would fall flat. You've heard constantly in classes that using darker colors and really high contrasts make a more dramatic effect than using really soft colors. That's why on baby blankets you constantly see these light colors being used, it's supposed to be calming. Personally I'm drawn to the color and that was another topic I was talking about in the other discussion thread about Northern vrs. Italian. The color differences is what made one of them stand out more to me, not the lines and how they were used. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Thu Nov 13 2008 16:09 Author: Vallejos, Kelsey <fskjv4@uaf.edu> Subject: Re: Lines VS Color I didn't pick the same choice as you but I did like your argument towards the lines. I didn't even think about statues but that is a valid point. Depending on what form of art you are looking at, which determine if lines or color is better. Forum: Color vs. Line - Discussion Board 3 Date: Mon Nov 17 2008 18:19 Author: Calvo, Ashley <ancalvo@uas.alaska.edu> Subject: Color vs. Line As much as seeing lines drawn into things we could possibly be familiar with, I feel that without color there is no https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 38 of 39 Blackboard Academic Suite 11/18/08 10:19 AM sense of emotion or extra information I'm getting out of the piece of art. Having the lines drawn in and showing what the actual situation is going on helps to an extent when it comes to figuring out the basics of the artist's idea. There are so many pieces of art that are in just lines of ink and pencil, or even shaded with graphite so there is no color, but what if it IS the color of the drawing? Greys, whites and blacks are considered shades and not a color, but even so, it could depict as the artist's emotion as well. As the human eye interacts with the other typical warm and cool colors we get a sense that there is a reason the artist used this color, or used that color. It gives the painting, drawing, etc. that extra bit of information about the message that is being portrayed. https://classes.uaf.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=%2Fbin%2Fcommon%2Fcourse.pl%3Fcourse_id%3D_49837_ Page 39 of 39