MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
Subject:
16 April 1998
Proceedings - Air Force Southwest Region Airspace/Range Council
(Management Session)
1. General – The Air Force Southwest Region Airspace/Range Council —
Management Session began at approximately 1330 hours, 11 March 1998, at the
Doubletree Hotel, Santa Fe, NM. The meeting was hosted and outstanding support
provided by the National Park Service (Mr. Cliff Chetwin). The purpose of this
meeting was to discuss issues of National and Regional importance, resolve
problems, establish lines of Interagency communication, and provide focus. The
Agenda is at Attachment 1; List of Attendees is at Attachment 2; a summary of
Meeting Critiques is at Attachment 3.
2. Management Session Proceedings – 11 March 1998
a. Opening Remarks/Objectives – Colonel Pease (Chief, Air Force Airspace and
Range Division and Co-Chair Southwest Region Airspace/Range Council)
welcomed everyone. He explained that Brigadier General Wilkening (Co-Chair,
National Airspace/Range Council) had been delayed en route but would be arriving
soon to Co-Chair the Management Session proceedings. Mr. Chetwin (National
Park Service) offered his welcoming remarks and encouraged everyone to attend
the ice breaker scheduled for 6 PM that evening. Colonel Pease then introduced
Mr. Arnberger (Superintendent of Grand Canyon National Park — Representing Mr.
Cook, Superintendent of the National Park Service Intermountain Region) who also
welcomed everyone and offered a short briefing about the Grand Canyon and
related issues.
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The National Park Service (NPS) is happy to host the Air Force Regional
Airspace/Range Management Council meetings.
He recognized Mr. Chetwin and other personnel that had set up Santa Fe
meeting.
Mr. Arnberger went on to explain the mission of the NPS. One of their
primary goals was to preserve the natural quiet.
Overflight issues with DoD aircraft at the Grand Canyon have diminished.
They still have occasional problems, but things are getting better. Primary
concerns now are with general and commercial aviation.
The NPS recognizes and respects DoD requirements.
Mr. Arnberger also recognized the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association,
Ms. Melissa Bailey, for the fine job they had done in working issues with
DoD and the NPS. The relationship between NPS and AOPA is good.
Regional meetings, such as this, provide a unique and very useful forum.
He finalized his opening comments by encouraging everyone to stay on
the current path.
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b. Regional/National Perspectives – Colonel Pease pointed out the maps on the
walls that illustrated land management areas and military airspace. These proved to
be handy aids for agencies to use during briefings and/or for reference.
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Colonel Pease noted that there is a much greater effort to minimize
impacts of overflight while maintaining military preparedness.
There are four steps to a successful process; Identify issues and the
interested parties; Communicate; Cooperate; and Collaborate.
The military is attempting to deconflict operations beyond the “Front
Gate,” that is, in the areas where we fly.
There is a greater effort to create and maintain partnerships.
Colonel Pease described the Southwest Environmental Master Plan. The
plan looks at how everything fits together.
There will be more
collaboration in the future.
c. Introductions – Colonel Pease asked everyone to introduce themselves and
then asked the flying unit Airspace Managers to give a brief overview of who they
were, where they were located, and where they fly.
d. Unit Operations Briefings
1) Captain Haliscak (12th Operations Support Squadron, Randolph AFB,
TX) briefed the changes to their use of an MTR in Texas, a portion of which overflies
Big Bend National Park.
2) Major Sheppard (McMullen Range, Texas) explained the proposed
restructure of airspace around McMullen Range — Kingsville MOA; increased
ceiling of R-6312.
3) Captain Holzer (150th fighter Wing Airspace Manager, Albuquerque, NM)
described his unit’s night training requirements The unit flies the F-16, Block 40,
equipped with Low Altitude Navigation Targeting Infrared for Night (LANTIRN)
equipment. The unit requires night navigation with terrain following opportunities.
VR-176, the Military Training Route (MTR) scheduled by the 150 FW, is used to
satisfy that training requirement.
4) Captain Will (58th Operations Support Squadron, Kirtland AFB,
Albuquerque, NM) outlined helicopter and C-130 operations throughout the
Southwest. Helicopters normally fly at 50’ - 500’ Above Ground Level (AGL) and C130s operate at 200’ - 1,000’ AGL.
5) Lieutenant Colonel Crouse (47th Flying Training Wing, Laughlin AFB, TX)
gave a brief overview of their training areas and explained that the T-38 and T-1
aircraft are the only aircraft they use for Low Altitude Navigation training.
e. Brigadier General Wilkening (Co-Chair, National Airspace/Range Management
Council) was introduced after the unit presentations. General Wilkening welcomed
everyone and was gratified to see so many land management representatives at the
meeting.
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f. Unit Operations Briefings (contd)
917th Bomb Wing, Barksdale AFB, LA — Dr. Chewning.
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Dr. Chewning described ongoing airspace modification proposals at
and around Claiborne Range. Scoping meetings have been held.
Proposal is to increase size of Claiborne Range slightly to
accommodate weapons safety footprints.
Peason Range requires approximately 3 acres of land to
accommodate an electronic scoring site that would permit
simulated bombing.
Dr. Chewning thinks the public does not always understand military
terminology and this creates a potential communication barrier.
g. Status of Ongoing Airspace/Range Actions — Colonel Oholendt (Chief,
Airspace and Range, Air Combat Command, Langley AFB, VA).
1) Proposed beddown of 30 additional German Air Force (GAF) Toronados
at Holloman AFB, NM.
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Presidential invitation for GAF to train in US.
30 additional Toronados would join 12 already at Holloman AFB,
NM
Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) in progress. A Record of
Decision (ROD) is planned for May 1998.
A Formal Consultation has been requested by US Fish & Wildlife
concerning the environmental effects of the proposed addition of
30 GAF Toronados at Holloman.
2) Realistic Bomber Training Initiative (RBTI).
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Bomber roles have changed — Less emphasis on nuclear tactics
and much more on conventional bombing.
Localized training is required.
 Flying time allocations have been reduced.
 Operational training requirements have increased.
Approximately 40% of bomber missions are high altitude.
 Military Operations Areas (MOAs) are required from 3,000’
AGL to FL 180 (18,000’ above Mean Sea Level).
Considering alternatives that will provide a network of training
routes and MOAs in west Texas for use by B-1 and B-52 bombers.
There has been community involvement in the RBTI effort.
There would be a net decrease in special use airspace. Excess
airspace would be returned to the National Airspace System (NAS).
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The Draft EIS should be ready by late 1998; Final EIS by October
1999.
h. USFWS Issues – Mr. Baca (Refuges and Wildlife Division)
1) USF&W is trying to understand the Lancer MOA alternative for RBTI.
Migratory bird patters overlap the northwest and northeast portions.
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Biggest concern is with the potential for bird strikes. Warm clear
days seem to be the worst.
USF&W can help the project and offer assistance if they knew
more about the proposal.
2) The Sevilleta Wildlife Refuge issue concerning the captive Mexican Wolf
was a success story. Mr. Stans, Sevilleta Wildlife Refuge, identified the problem at
the last meeting in San Antonio, TX. Before he was finished with his presentation,
Colonel Gagnon (ACC/DOR) and Colonel Wittman (HQ AZANG) offered to help Mr.
Stans with his problem. The issue was resolved on the spot during a break-out.
i) Break-out Sessions
1) Colonel Pease aligned break-out groups by category and assigned
session moderators for each.
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Holloman AFB GAF Beddown issue – Colonel Oholendt.
VR-176 overflight issues – Captain Holzer.
RBTI issues – Lt Colonel Trump and Mr. Garrett.
Big Bend NP issues – Lt Colonel Crouse.
Crystal MOA issues – Major Sheppard.
Colorado Airspace Initiative issues – Mr. Welch.
2) The break-out sessions were very productive. Most break-outs were still
in session after 1630 hours.
3. Day One Adjourned –The session adjourned at approximately 1700 hours when
most of the break-out sessions were finished.
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4. Management Session Proceedings – 12 March 1998
a. Opening Remarks – Colonel Pease opened the second day’s business at
approximately 0815 hours. Colonel Pease asked Mr. Queretaro (301st Fighter Wing
Airspace Manager, Naval Air Station-Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, TX) to present
his briefing.
b. 301st Fighter Wing Special Use Airspace and Scheduling Brief
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Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base, Fort Worth, TX, hosts several
military flying units. Aircraft flown include: F-16, F-14, F-18, C-130, and
C-9
Special Use Airspace scheduling office manages 2 MOAs and 14 Military
Training Routes (MTR).
Brady and Brownwood MOAs are separated by 3 NM corridor.
Brady North proposal is to join two MOAs for a more effective integrated
airspace area. Would accommodate realistic training with minimal impact
on airspace or land use.
Mr. Queretaro went on to explain the evolution of airspace scheduling
from pen and paper to electronic versions, such as Military Airspace
Management System (MASMS).
MASMS is only an interim step to more efficient airspace scheduling.
c. National Park Service Perspectives -- Mr. Opperman (Consultant for NPS).
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Mr. Opperman acknowledged General Wilkening’s positive influence and
contributions to this process.
He reflected on missing the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
(AOPA) briefing normally given by Ms. Bailey, AOPA. Ms. Bailey was ill
and unable to attend.
A principal NPS concern is mechanical or man-made sound — sounds
that interfere with the “natural sounds.”
There has been an increase from 40,000 to over 150,000 overflights a
year.
The President signed a directive on Earth Day, 1996, designed to restore
natural quiet. Public Law 100-91 covers much of the same.
There has been substantial legislation introduced since that time
concerning overflight issues.
In 1993 a working group was formed, which includes General Aviation,
Department of Transportation, and land management agencies, to
address overflight issues. A draft of a national rule on park overflights has
been developed, based on the efforts of the overflight working group.
During a recent survey, 55 Park Managers had some concerns about
Commercial Aviation overflight; 110 managers had concerns about DoD
overflights.
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NPS and DoD are building good faith and trust. Mr. Opperman
recognized many AF personnel for their involvement in the successful
resolution of issues.
Mr. Opperman then showed a very interesting 15 minute video that
highlighted the natural quiet of the desert as seen through the eyes of
native Americans.
d. Big Bend National Park – Mr. Cisneros (Superintendent, Big Bend National
Park)
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Big Bend National Park was established 1944.
It is the largest Federal property in Texas (800,000 acres). Very remote.
Hosts approximately 250,000 visitors a year
Average stay for visitors is 3 days. Many are repeat visitors.
Has mountainous terrain of 7,000 feet and above.
The Park has many different types of scenery to offer.
Air quality is a problem. Visibility has decreased gradually due to urban
pollution.
The Rio Grande River traverses the Park. Much of the water is siphoned
off before it gets to the Park for irrigation. Water from other rivers brings
the Rio Grande level back up prior to entering the Park.
e. Other Land Management Issues/Briefings
1) White Sands National Monument – Mr. Vasquez
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Only four deserts in the United States. White Sands is located in
northern regions of Chihauhuan desert.
Largest National Park in New Mexico (144,000 acres), hosts over
600,000 visitors annually.
Large Gypsum deposits.
Active Dunes fields.
Rich biological area.
 Many unusual animals have adapted to the color of their
surroundings.
Park is surrounded on all fours sides by military lands.
There is an ongoing visitor use survey. Noise is one area of focus.
Signs have been posted throughout the Park explaining the
occasional overflight by military aircraft. The initial feedback from
the surveys is that notifying visitors of the presence of military
aircraft lessens annoyance.
2) El Malpais National Monument – Mr. Mabery
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Most of area is a Wilderness Study Area.
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Formation of area lands are a result of volcanic activity from
millions of years ago. Many lava deposits. You can hear deer
hoofs as they walk across the ground.
Flight paths to and from Kirtland AFB pass just south of the park.
Concerns of visitors to the south end of the park are unknown.
Many Southwestern Indians have deep roots in El Malpais. The
lands have figured in Acoma, Laguna, Zuni, and Ramah Navaho
cultures for thousands of years.
Prominent features are Sandstone Bluffs, La Ventana Natural Arch,
Cabolla Wilderness, The Narrows, Lava Falls area, and much
more.
Big Horn Sheep are being re-introduced. There is concern due to
different habitat and potential concern for stress. Overflights could
be a problem.
Colonel Pease mentioned an ongoing study to determine the
effects of overflight, if any, on Big Horn Sheep.
3) Chaco Culture National Historical Park – Mr. Gauthier
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Chaco is an old established Park (1907). Difficult to get to.
The Park is known for its ancient architecture.
Earliest buildings were built around 800 AD to 1200 AD.
Many different architectural styles and construction techniques.
Biggest concern of Park officials is intrusion on the natural quiet.
Preservation of their night skies is also very important.
Past military overflight issues seem to have diminished.
Most recent problems revolve around civilian overflights and private
aircraft. The Park has had very poor cooperation with local control
towers and FAA.
4) Glen Canyon National Recreation Area – Mr. Ritenour
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Established in 1972
Has a 163,000 acre lake.
2 - 2.5 million visitors a year.
Glen Canyon is one of the 10 quietest areas.
Many of the visitors are repeat.
There are some concerns with military overflight. Mr. Ritenour met
with military representatives at the previous evening social. Made
good contacts and had positive meetings.
5) Great Sand Dunes National Monument – Mr. Bunch
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Established in 1932.
38 square miles of wilderness area.
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Over 300,000 visitors a year.
Medano Creek is only 8 miles long. Originates in the Sangre De
Cristo Mountains and disappears into the sand within the Park.
Sound monitors have been set out; they register ambient noise
levels at less than 45db.
Primary military overflight issues have to do with C-130 aircraft.
6) Salinas Pueblo Missions National Monument – Mr. Healy
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Mr. Healy gave a very brief overview of the Salinas Pueblo
Missions National Monument.
Their biggest concern is the effect of sonic booms on structures.
Apparently, two walls have collapsed as a result of sonic boom
vibrations.
f. Big Bend National Park Overflight Initiatives
1) Lt Colonel Crouse (47th Flying Training Wing, Laughlin AFB, TX)
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Lt Colonel Crouse provided an overview of the type of aircraft the
47 FTW flies to train future Air Force pilots
Over 400 aircraft sorties are flown daily.
Only the T-38 and T-1 aircraft are used for low level navigation
training.
Negotiations have occurred to reduce the effects of overflight in the
area of Big Bend National Park.
The 47 FTW cut off 15 miles of the Military Training Route (MTR)
that is located in the northern portion of Big Bend.
They also narrowed the route and established 2 noise sensitive
areas (flight avoidance areas).
Additionally, flights were cut 50% during peak visitation periods at
the Park.
The 47 FTW and Big Bend continue to communicate. The Park
Chief Pilot has had an orientation flight on the Big Bend MTR in the
T-38 aircraft. Lt Colonel Crouse has flown the in Park’s Cessna to
view their perspective of the overflight issue.
The net results appear to be positive.
2) Mr. Cisneros (Superintendent, Big Bend National Park)
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Mr. Cisneros stated that the Big Bend issue was triumph of
diplomacy over planning.
Initially, the Park would have preferred to have the MTR eliminated.
There was concern by Big Bend management when the
Environmental Assessment (EA) was distributed. The EA indicated
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an increase of flights from Laughlin over Big Bend and included a
draft Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI).
Big Bend’s response was to request a full Environmental Impact
Statement.
Common ground was established by meeting with Air Force and
Big Bend personnel.
The Air Force adopted several of the NPS recommendations; EA
FONSI was published in 1997.
Mr. Cisneros expressed hope that dialogue would continue after
current personnel leave.
g. Colorado Airspace Initiative (CAI), Lessons Learned – Colonel Tucker
(Colorado Air National Guard)
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Colonel Tucker felt that CAI, begun about seven years ago, has become a
success story.
Three events prompted the CAI:
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Establishment of the new Denver International Airport to the north
and east of Buckley. Stapleton Airport was north and west of the
ANG Base. Former airspace used by the Colorado ANG was now
affected by the location of the new airport.
The Colorado ANG transitioned from the A-7 aircraft to the F-16
aircraft. The A-7 mission was primarily Air-to-Surface tactics and
most of their training requirements were at low altitude. The F-16 is
a more versatile aircraft, capable of offensive and defensive air-toair tactics. Therefore, approximately 50% of all missions are flown
at high altitude, practicing those skills necessary to maintain the
highest degree of proficiency.
The tactics and weapons employed by the F-16 also require larger
parcels of airspace to train realistically. As a result, the CAI was
designed to support these training requirements.
Lessons learned from the Colorado Airspace Initiative:
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Nobody can take a stand without yielding some. You just can’t
stake out your territory.
Realistic training requirements is the key. Don’t ask for “nice to
have;” only ask for what is required to train realistically.
Communication and collaboration are the real key elements.
Coordination has paved the road to success.
As a result of all the coordination and cooperation, the hard core
opponents to the CAI are now viewed as extremists. Most folks
have met in the middle of the road and the net result is a success
story.
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h. Goldwater Range issue – Colonel Pease
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Colonel Pease provided a very brief overview of the Goldwater Range
land use renewal Legislative EIS. 1.8 million acres of BLM land is
involved in the renewal process.
i. Sonoran Pronghorn Study (Barry M Goldwater Range) – Ms. Carlson (Air
Force Center for Environmental Excellence)
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The Sonoran Pronghorn Study is very comprehensive.
Will take
approximately three years to accumulate data and publish results.
Several environmental and land use agencies are collaborating on the
study.
Some of the first tests involved determining the hearing acuity of the
Sonoran Pronghorn. Animals were harmlessly sedated for tests before
being released.
Ms. Carlson showed several slides of the testing procedures and release
of the animals.
Initial results have shown little on no reaction to overflight of F-16 aircraft
by the Sonoran Pronghorn.
Discussion: Colonel Pease indicated that many range locations contain
herds of healthy animal species. Note: It is widely known in the training range
community that several endangered plants and animals exist only on range
properties. This is due, to a large degree, to the absence of human interference.
j. Action Items. No new action items were developed during the course of the
Management Session.
5. Next Meeting – A combined Southwest and Southern Region Executive Council
meeting will be held in October 1998 at Tyndall AFB, FL. No firm date has been
established yet for that meeting. The next Southwest Region Airspace/Range
Management Council meeting should be held in March 1999. The exact dates and
location to be determined.
6. Meeting Wrap-up – Colonel Pease thanked everyone for their attendance and
their hard work during the break-out sessions. A lot of progress was gained during
these important discussion periods. General Wilkening added his closing comments
and stated that there has to be a balance between the best possible training and
environmental responsibility. He further commended the National Park Service for
their hosting, attendance and participation in this very successful meeting. Mr.
Arnberger then offered some closing remarks. He stated that we all have deep
convictions about what we do. Our focus is common: we are devoted to those things
that make this country great.
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7. Meeting Adjourn – Colonel Pease adjourned the meeting at 1130 hours.
8. Approved
ALBERT H. WILKENING, Brigadier General, USAF
Commander, Wisconsin Air National Guard
Co-Chairman, National Airspace/Range Council
GERALD F. PEASE, Jr., Colonel, USAF
Chief, Range and Airspace Division
Air Force Directorate of Operations and Training
Co-Chairman, Southwest Region Airspace/Range
Council
Attachments:
1. Agenda
2. List of Attendees
3. Meeting Critique
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Southwest Region
Airspace and Range Council
11-12 March 1998
Santa Fe, New Mexico
11 Mar--Management Session 1300 to 1700
Time
1315
Topic
Welcoming Remarks/Objectives
Speaker
Col Pease/Grand Canyon
Superintendent Rob Arnberger
1320
Regional/National Perspective
Col Pease
1330
Changes to Council Process
Mr. Welch
1335
Status of Ongoing Airspace/Range Actions
-- Holloman GAF Beddown
-- RBTI
-- Bronco MOA
Col Oholendt
Mr. Garrett
Mr. Garrett
1415
BREAK
1430
AFREP perspectives
1445
NAVREP/DARR Perspectives
1500
USFWS Issues
1515
Breakout Overviews (Recommended Breakouts: Holloman/VR-176, Bronco, RBTI, Big Bend, Crystal MOA)
(Opportunity for other agencies to identify/discuss specific issues )
Mr. Tom Baca
Breakout Sessions
1645
Breakout Recap/ Session Wrap Up
12 March—Management Session (Cont) 0800 to 1200
Time
Topic
Speaker
0800
National Park Service Perspectives
Mr Opperman
0900
Big Bend Overflight Initiatives
Mr. Cisneros, BIBE,
Lt Col Crouse, 47FTW
0920
Colorado Airspace Initiative, Lessons Learned
Col Tucker, Buckley
0940
US Forest Service – DoD Flight Safety Discussion
Ms Stewart
1000
Other Land Management Issues
1020
Break
1035
Sonoran Pronghorn Study (BMGR)
1055
Unit Operations Briefings
-- Aircraft
-- Airspace
-- Problems and Issues Being Worked or Recently Solved
Ms. Carlson/AFCEE
(Opportunity for other agencies to identify problems/issues)
1130
Meeting Wrap Up
B/Gen Wilkening, Col Pease
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List of Attendees
Mr. Tom Baca
USFWS, Div of Refuges
PO Box 1306
Albuquerque, NM 87103-1306
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 248-6631
Fax: (505) 248-6874
E-mail: tom_baca@mail.fws.gov
Lt Col Lee Bauer
HQ AF/XOOR, Rm 5C168
1480 Air Force Pentagon
Washington, DC 20330-1480
DSN: 223-2586
Fax: 227-1685
Comm: (703) 693-2586
Fax: (703) 697-1685
E-mail: bauerl@af.pentagon.mil
Mr. Fred Bunch
Great Sand Dunes N.M.
11500 Hwy 150
Mosca, CO 81146
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (719) 378-2312
Fax: (719) 378-2594
E-mail: fred_bunch@nps.gov
Mr. Stan Burman
Glen Canyon NRA
PO Box 1507
Page, AZ 86040
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (520) 608-6220
Fax: (520) 608-6283
E-mail: stan_burman@nps.gov
Ms. Lisa Carlson
HQ AFCEE/ECR
3207 North Road
Brooks AFB, TX 78235-5363
DSN: 240-3830
Fax: 240-3890
Comm: (210) 536-3830
Fax: (210) 536-3890
E-mail: lcarlson@afceeb1.brooks.af.mil
Mr. Cliff Chetwin
NPS
PO Box 728
Santa Fe, NM 87504
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 988-6112
Fax: (505) 998-6123
E-mail: cliff_chetwin@nps.gov
Dr. Dudley Chewning
917 OSS/DOTS
Barksdale AFB, LA 71110-5000
DSN: 781-9154
Fax: 781-9965
Comm: (318) 456-9154
Fax: (318) 456-9965
E-mail: dchewning@bad.afres.af.mil
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Mr. Jose A. Cisneros
Superintendent
PO Box 40
Big Bend National Park, TX 79834
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (915) 477-2251
Fax: (915) 477-2357
E-mail:
ACCS Charles E. Cook, Jr.
301 FW
NAS FWJRB
Fort Worth, TX 76123
DSN: 739-7486
Fax: 739-7131
Comm: (817) 782-7486
Fax: (817) 782-7131
E-mail: ccook@fwh.afres.af.mil
CDR Ed Cox
NAVREP SW FAA
Ft Worth, TX 76193-0930
DSN: 477-2930
Fax: 477-2993
Comm: (817) 222-5930
Fax: (817) 222-5993
E-mail: henri.e.cox@faa.dot.gov
LtCol Sam Crouse
47 OSS/DO
570 Second St., Suite 6
Laughlin AFB, TX 78843-5222
DSN: 732-5837
Fax: 732-4955
Comm: (210) 298-5837
Fax: (210) 298-4955
E-mail: crouses@laugate1.lau.aetc.af.mil
MSgt Susan Dean
DARR SW Reg
2601 Meacham Blvd
Ft Worth, TX 76193
DSN: 477-2920
Fax: 477-2992
Comm: (817) 222-5920
Fax: (817) 222-5992
E-mail: susan.e.dean@faa.dot.gov
Mr. Charles Dobson
2 OSS/OSTP
Barksdale AFB, LA 71111
DSN: 781-5225
Fax: 781-4669
Comm: (318) 456-5225
Fax: (318) 456-4669
E-mail: dobsonc@oss2.barksdale.af.mil
Mr. Rick Ernenwein
NPS Internountain Region
PO Box 25287, IMDE-S
Denver, CO 80225
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (303) 969-2274
Fax: (303) 969-2063
E-mail: rick_ernenwein@nps.gov
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SrA Jim Fisher
58 SOW/PA
4249 Hercules Way SE
Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5861
DSN: 263-5858
Fax: 246-5020
Comm: (505) 853-5858
Fax: (505) 846-5020
E-mail: fisherj@58sowgate.irk.aetc.af.mil
Mr. Glenn Fulfer
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 847-2585
Fax: (505) 847-2441
E-mail:
Salinas Pueblo Missions National Monument
PO Box 517
Mountainair, NM 87036
Mr. Gerald Garrett
HQ ACC/DORA
205 Dodd Blvd., Suite 101
Langley AFB, VA 23665-2789
DSN: 574-7552
Fax: 574-6009
Comm: (757) 764-7552
Fax: (757) 764-6009
E-mail: gerald.garrett@langley.af.mil
Mr. Rory Gauthier
PO Box 220
Nageezi, NM 87037
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 786-7014
Fax: (505) 786-7061
E-mail: rory_gauthier@nps.gov
Petuuche Gilbert
PO Box 309
Acomita, NM 87034
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 552-6604
Fax:
E-mail:
Captain Ian Haliscak
12 OSS/DOOA
501 I St East
Randolph AFB, TX 78150
DSN: 487-5580
Fax: 487-3949
Comm: (210) 652-5580
Fax: (210) 652-3949
E-mail:
Captain Dan Haynes
47 OSS/OSOR
Laughlin AFB, TX 78843
DSN: 732-5337
Fax: 732-4955
Comm: (210) 298-5337
Fax: (210) 298-4955
E-mail: haynesd@laugate1.lau.aetc.af.mil
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Mr. Robert M. Healy, Jr.
Salinas Pueblo Missions National Monument
PO Box 517
Mountainair, NM 87036
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 847-2770
Fax: (505) 847-2441
E-mail:
Mr. Jim Hicks
SEADS/DOS
164 Alabama Ave
Tyndall AFB, FL 32403
DSN: 523-5525
Fax: 523-5346
Comm: (850) 283-5525
Fax: (850) 283-5346
E-mail: hicksj@1staf.tyndall.af.mil
Captain Mike Holzer
2251 Air Guard Rd. SE
Kirtland AFB, NM 87117
DSN: 246-7426
Fax: 246-7138
Comm: (505) 846-7426
Fax: (505) 846-7138
E-mail: mholzer@nmabq.ang.af.mil
Captain Darryl Inman
552 OSS/OSOR
7513 Sentry Blvd., Ste 203
Tinker AFB, OK 73145-9012
DSN: 884-7414
Fax: 884-5884
Comm: (405) 734-7414
Fax: (405) 734-5884
E-mail: inmand@bldg282.awacs.af.mil
Major Mark Isenhower
188 FW/DO
4850 Leigh Ave.
Ft Smith, AR 72903
DSN: 962-8271
Fax: 962-8249
Comm: (501) 648-5271
Fax: (501) 648-5249
E-mail: misenhower@arfsm.ang.af.mil
Mr. Dan King
49 OSS/OSTA
700 Delaware, Suite 127
Holloman AFB, NM 88330-8014
DSN: 867-7781
Fax: 867-3947
Comm: (505) 475-7781
Fax: (505) 475-3947
E-mail: kingd@og49.holloman.af.mil
Major Pat Knowlton
47 OSS/OSOR
570 second Street, Ste 6
Laughlin AFB, TX 78843-5222
DSN: 732-5864
Fax: 732-4955
Comm: (210) 298-5864
Fax: (210) 298-4955
E-mail: knowltonp@laugate1.lau.aetc.af.mil
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Lt Col Ed Komandosky
TXANG
PO Box 5218
Austin, TX 78763-5218
DSN: 954-5059
Fax: 954-5059
Comm: (512) 465-5059
Fax: (512) 465-5586
E-mail: paotx@tx-ngnet.army.mil
Mr. John Lambert
HQ AFRC/DOTSA
155 2nd St
Robins AFB, GA 31098-1635
DSN: 497-1195
Fax: 497-0199
Comm: (912) 327-1195
Fax: (912) 327-0199
E-mail: john.lambert@afrc.af.mil
Colonel John Lemond
HQ TXANG/DO, Camp Mabry
PO Box 5218
Austin, TX 78763-5218
DSN: 954-5008
Fax: 954-5080
Comm: (512) 465-5008
Fax:
E-mail: jlemond@txskf.ang.af.mil
Sgt Corine Lombardo
NY Div of Military/Naval Affairs
330 Old Niskayuna Rd.
Latham, NY 12110-2224
DSN: 489-4579
Fax: 489-4649
Comm: (518) 786-4579
Fax: (518) 786-4649
E-mail: lombardc@ny-smtp.army.mil
Mr. Ed Lopez
AFCEE/Dallas Regional Env. Office
525 Griflin St.
Dallas, TX
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (214) 767-4650
Fax: (214) 767-4661
E-mail: elopez@afceeb1.af.mil
Mr. Ken Mabery
El Malpais National Monument, NM
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505)285-4641 ext 14
Fax:
E-mail:
Mr. Dick Masse
ANG/CEVP
3500 Fetchet Ave.
Andrews AFB, MD 20762-5157
DSN: 278-8862
Fax: 278-8151
Comm: (301) 836-8862
Fax: (301) 836-8151
E-mail: massed@ang.af.mil
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Major Bob McCoy
HQ FAA SW Region
ASW-910
Ft. Worth, TX 76193-0910
DSN: 477-2911
Fax: 477-2992
Comm: (817) 222-5911
Fax: (817) 222-5992
E-mail: robert.j.mccoy@faa.dot.gov
Colonel Ron Oholendt
HQ ACC/DOR
205 Dodd Blvd., Suite 101
Langley AFB, VA 23665
DSN: 574-4661
Fax: 574-6009
Comm: (757) 764-4661
Fax: (757) 764-6009
E-mail: ronald.oholendt@langley.af.mil
Mr. Stephen Oppermann
National Park Service/Intermountain Rgn
3015 S. Linley Ct
Denver, CO 80236
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (303) 922-7409
Fax:
E-mail: steve_oppermann@nps.gov
ACCS Randy Otting
FAA NAVREP SW Region
ASW-930
Ft Worth, TX 76193-0930
DSN: 477-2930
Fax: 477-2993
Comm: (817) 222-5930
Fax: (817) 222-5993
E-mail: randy.otting@faa.dot.gov
Col Fred Pease
HQ AF/XOOR, Rm 5C168
1480 Air Force Pentagon
Washington, DC 20330-1480
DSN: 223-0674
Fax: 227-1685
Comm: (703) 693-0674
Fax: (703) 697-1685
E-mail: peaseg@af.pentagon.mil
Mr. Richard Pierce
NSA Inc
106 Bid A Wee Court
Panama City Beach, FL 32413-2783
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (850) 230-9411
Fax: (850) 230-5958
E-mail: rpierce211@aol.com
Mr. Ivan Pupulidy
USDA Forest Service
517 Gold SW
Albuquerque, NM 87102
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 842-3881
Fax: (505) 842-3801
E-mail: pupulidy@aol.com
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Mr. Roy Queretaro
301 OG/RO - NAS JRB
1654 Lyons Dr, Suite 16
Ft Worth, TX 76127-6200
DSN: 739-7559
Fax: 739-7131
Comm: (817) 782-7559
Fax: (817) 782-7131
E-mail: roy.queretaro@fwh.afres.af.mil
Mr. Keith Richter
HQ AETC/DOVR
1 F St, Suite 2
Randolph AFB, TX 78150-4325
DSN: 487-7914
Fax: 487-3615
Comm: (210) 652-7914
Fax: (210) 652-3615
E-mail: richterk@do.aetc.af.mil
Mr. John Ritenour
Glen Canyon NRA
PO Box 1507
Page, AZ 86040
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (520) 608-6220
Fax: (520) 608-6283
E-mail: john_ritenour@nps.gov
Mr. Dave Rubenson
RAND
1700 Main St.
Santa Monica, CA 90407
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (310) 393-0411
Fax: (310) 451-7004
E-mail: david_rubenson@rand.org
Mr. John Selkirk
BLM
PO Box 27115
Santa Fe, NM 87501
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 438-7431
Fax: (505) 438-7426
E-mail:
Major Ken Sheppard
149 FW
108 Hensley St., Bldg 930
Kelly AFB, TX 78241
DSN: 969-3764
Fax: 969-5001
Comm: (210) 977-3764
Fax: (210) 977-5001
E-mail: fsheppard@txskf.ang.af.mil
Mr. Terrence Tadano
Sevilleta NWR
PO Box 1284
Socorro, NM 87801
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 864-4021
Fax: (505) 864-7761
E-mail:
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Ms. Sandee Taylor
12 OSS/OSOA
501 I Street East
Randolph AFB, TX 78108
DSN: 487-5580
Fax: 487-3949
Comm: (210) 652-5580
Fax: (210) 652-3949
E-mail: taylors@randolph.af.mil
TSgt William Towles
USAF CAPS/JTD
232 Ave A West, Suite 1
LRAFB, AR 72099
DSN: 731-8660
Fax: 731-8670
Comm: (501) 987-8660
Fax: (501) 988-8227
E-mail:
Lt Col Larry Trump
HQ ACC/DORA
205 Dodd Blvd, Suite 101
Langley AFB, VA 23665-2789
DSN: 574-3169
Fax: 574-3313
Comm: (757) 764-3169
Fax: (757) 764-3313
E-mail: larry.trump@langley.af.mil
Colonel Richard Tucker
HQ COANG/DO
200 S. Aspen, Buckley ANGB
Aurora, CO 80011
DSN: 877-9469
Fax: 877-9612
Comm: (303) 841-3070
Fax: (303) 677-9612
E-mail: rtucker@cobkf.ang.af.mil
Mr. Dennis Vasquez
White Sands N.M.
PO Box 1086
Holloman AFB, NM 88330
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 679-2599
Fax: (505) 479-4333
E-mail: dennis_vasquez@nps.gov
Mr. Patrick Welch
ANG/DOBA
3500 Fetchet Ave
Andrews AFB, MD 20762-5157
DSN: 278-8330
Fax: 278-7001
Comm: (301) 836-8330
Fax: (301) 836-7001
E-mail: welshp@ang.af.mil
Mr. Michael Weppner
NSA Inc
4900 Seminary Rd, Suite 1150
Alexandria, VA 22311
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (703) 578-1150
Fax: (703) 578-1550
E-mail: weppnerm@erols.com
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Colonel William H. White
150 FW/CC
Kirtland AFB, NM 87185
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 846-6624
Fax: (505) 846-7180
E-mail:
BGen Al Wilkening
HQ WIANG/ZF, PO Box 8111
2400 Wright St.
Madison, WI 53708-8111
DSN: 724-3020
Fax: 724-3111
Comm: (608) 242-3020
Fax: (608) 242-3111
E-mail: awilkening@wimsn.ang.af.mil
or ahwilk@aol.com
Captain Bernie Will
58 OSS/OSK
4249 Hercules Way SE
Kirtland AFB, NM 87117
DSN: 263-5544
Fax: 263-5999
Comm: (505) 853-5544
Fax: (505) 853-5999
E-mail: willib@58sowgate.aetc.irk.af.mil
Mr. Charles Wilson
PO Box 220
Nageezi, NM 87032
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 786-7014
Fax: (505) 786-7061
E-mail:
Mr. David Wingert
Albuquerque Ctr FAA
8000 Louisiana NE
Albuquerque, NM 87109
DSN: 245-1530
Fax: 245-1239
Comm: (505) 856-4530
Fax:
E-mail: dwingert@mail.hq.faa.gov
Ms. Nancy Wizner
White Sands N.M.
PO Box 1086
Holloman AFB, NM 88330
DSN:
Fax:
Comm: (505) 679-2599
Fax: (505) 479-4333
E-mail: wizner_nancy@nps.gov
Mr. Larry Wood
552 OSS/OSOR
7513 Sentry Blvd, Suite 203
Tinker AFB, OK 73145-9012
DSN: 884-7414
Fax: 884-5884
Comm: (405) 734-7414
Fax: (405) 734-5884
E-mail: woodl@bldg282.awacs.af.mil
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MEETING CRITIQUE SUMMARY
RANGE OF RESPONSES (Received Critique from 28 of 64 attendees)
1 – VERY GOOD
1.
2 – ACCEPTABLE
3 – POOR
Scope and content of presentations/discussions(Interesting and Informative)?
1 (13)
2 (11)
3 (3)
Important to be kept informed on Navy/Air Force issues. The presentations were uniformly excellent. Super
conference. ACC and Air Staff dominated communications on day 1. No opportunity to discuss ACC takeover
of all airspace issues. Very good job in such a short time. We listened to same briefing too many times. We
listened to ACC and XOOR too much. Not enough unit input. ACC needs to become a cooperative agency and
comply with the process. They are still doing things on their own and not following current rules. We need to
deal with problem areas. Not listen to regurgitation of units’ airspace/ranges. Did enjoy Park Service unit level
presentations.
2.
Problem identification and resolution?
1 (12))
2 (13)
3 (2)
Breakout sessions were the key element. The whole theme of the meeting….is problem identification and
resolution. Improving the “process of airspace change” is not addressed and this constitutes everyone’s
problem. Good open discussion among all participants. Great forum to initiate problem resolution! Although
many problems are identified, not many solutions that will work are forthcoming. Still up to the units. Would like
to elaborate on these issues - more detail for resolution.
3.
Were the Breakout Sessions useful to you?
Yes (20)
No (4)
Topics did not concern Army issues. Yes, I checked with all the NPS representatives who participated in the
breakout sessions; all were extremely …..complimentary regarding the value of the sessions. A number said
the breakout sessions alone make the meeting worth their while. Resolved NPS issues. Very productive.
Extremely so. Could use two full days. You are losing people to early flights. These could, however, be
planned and coordinated on specific issues in advance and published with schedule. A full morning should be
devoted to breakout and common problems among units that can be consolidated and presented to HQ Staff.
Outstanding component; the DOI agencies accomplished more here than what is possible in a year of normal
bureaucratic haggling. Excellent idea and they were useful.
4.
Will you participate in future meetings?
Yes (27)
No
Maybe (1)
As I am able to and as necessary. I will recommend participation to other NPS managers.
5.
not?
Do you have airspace/range issues or concerns that this Council should be addressing but is
Yes(Please specify) (3)
No (25)
Range issues are not presented. Resolutions are known from airspace issues. Very concerned about ACC
trying to take over the world. They do not efficiently handle what they have now. How are they going to handle
everyone else’s business?…..
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6.
Meeting notification – timely and informative? (Please indicate how your were notified)
1 (14)
2 (10)
3 (3)
Via E-mail. Didn’t get agenda until morning of meeting. We would like as much advance notification of
meetings as possible, etc. Via E-mail and original message could have been briefer and more to the point. Via
Mail. E-mail. NSA has been exemplary with meeting notification and information. Had to be notified by E-mail
from SW Region AFREP on 2/23/98. Need better and more advance notification. E-mail and the ANG Range
Council meeting. Meeting notification was OK but start times and agenda were kept a secret from me. I was
informed by FAX from AFREP. Message from HHQ. Directions would be helpful, ie., Exit #3, go north 3 miles.
Initial notification was excellent. But I didn’t get final schedule until Tuesday when I came to Santa Fe.
7.
Time allotted for each agenda topic?
1 (7)
2 (16)
3 (4)
Seems like we were in a hurry - if we can’t give the time - don’t participate. Good for ACC and Air Staff. Too
time compressed. XOOR kept changing the agenda. Start times were not adhere to - breaks were not adhered
to. Not enough time for those (issues) that were pertinent.
8.
Media support of presentations?
1 (5)
2 (15)
3 (7)
Had to rely on Motel! Often didn’t work - no overhead first 1/2 of first day. Ensure we have a better equipment
set-up. The most current edition of “PowerPoint” can play all others - why use the 4 & 5? Overhead should be
available sooner. We should all have PowerPoint capability. Let’s make sure briefers are prepared to use it.
PowerPoint slides didn’t always work. A/V is consistently problem at these meetings. We need to have the
newest version of PowerPoint available along with the ability to use other laptops. Too many equipment
problems. Needs work. Suggest we coordinate software versions better. Perhaps we should specify a specific
version of PowerPoint? Other A/V appeared to work OK. Apparently needed overhead capability on morning
one.
9.
Number and lengths of breaks?
1 (13)
2 (13)
3 (1)
Breaks, if known and planned, provide a forum for communication needed between all parties. About right.
Really too long.
10.
Quality of meeting room(s) and amenities?
1 (10)
2 (10)
3 (2)
Room on first day AM did not have enough tables. No access to DSN for call to units. Excellent! Certainly
didn’t get $15.00 worth.
11.
Quality of hotel and location?
1 (18)
2 (9)
3
Excellent choice/good location. Thanks! Noisy at night. Location great - hotel adequate. Excellent! Very nice.
12.
What suggestions do you have to improve future meetings?
Updates on current hot issues like CARDS, MASMS, thinking at Air Staff/ACC on USF&W issues. Like BA’s,
BO’s, etc. Are we going to “establish” AF level positions on avoidance criteria for T & E (species), etc. START
ON TIME! Continue and expand the breakout sessions. Encourage land management agencies to do “unit
reports” patterned after share of Air Force. Such reports help acquaint each agency with installations, mission
objectives, etc. of the other installations within the region. This was a very useful and productive meeting. Keep
the splinter sessions. I appreciate the attitude and professionalism of the DoD folks at the meeting. Would a
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cockpit view video of a busy target ingress at low altitude be helpful for non-flyers to understand value/nee for
training? (Note: ANG’s Why and How We Train videos are to be sent to each non-DoD meeting participant by
ANG/DOBA). Very good session. 1. Coffee warm, snack/icebreaker min for $15.00. 2. Need to brief DoD
issues to DoD folks - think it was boring for others! 1. Have times and agenda known before meeting. 2. List
open problems and assign POC to work on solution. 3. Identify process improvements of region meetings. 4.
Have split range and airspace meetings. Having a good review of recent cooperative successes, perhaps to
open the meeting, would help to set the tone. The ANG continues to lead in these efforts. Another good
meeting in Santa Fe. Too much of the information is repetitive (except for second day). As always, during
breaks and social hours, most of the unit problems are discussed between units and find that each unit has
similar problems. This regional meeting is valuable and should be expanded each year. Unit funds are a
problem, so find locations that are cheap airfare wise. Additional note: Are there any opportunities to spend
time at HQs where these issues are worked? A short tour would be helpful if possible. Drop “Evolution of the
Process” from future agendas. I didn’t hear any mention of Action Items from previous meeting. All regional
meetings need to start documenting action items and POCs for those items. The meetings need to be
continued. Mr. Cisneros was ready to brief and lots of people left the room, including Col. Pease. Very
disrespectful and reflects poorly on the DoD. Meetings need to be more organized and start on time. Leave an
agenda at the front desk so people like me, who didn’t know times of meeting, etc, will have an idea of what to
expect. Leave a “welcome” packet @ check-in counter. Start time of session, location would be helpful, along
with information on local area points of interest. Continue the breakout sessions, they are working!
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