Accredited Standards Committee
C12
Electricity Metering
Secretariat
National Electrical Manufacturers Association
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Rosslyn, VA 22209
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MINUTES
Meeting:
C12 Accredited Standards Committee on
Electricity Metering
Main Committee
Place of Meeting:
Hyatt Regency Louisville
320 W Jefferson
Louisville, KY 40202
Date:
Thursday, April 7, 2011
Time:
10:30 a.m. – Noon
MEMBERS PRESENT
Larry Barto
Georgia Power
Brent Cain
Itron, Inc
Curt Crittenden
GE Energy
Jim DeMars
Florida Power & Light Co.
Tim Everidge
Radian Research, Inc.
Shawn Glasgow
Milbank Manufacturing Co.
Bill Hardy
Technology for Energy Corp.
David Jirikovic
Consumers Energy
Brad Johnson
Oncor
Larry Kotewa
Center for Neighborhood Technology
Herman Millican
Austin Energy
Avy Moise
Future DOS R&D Inc.
Tim Morgan
Duke Energy
Tom Nelson
NIST
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Young Nguyen
Pacific Gas & Electric Company
Dan Nordell
Xcel Energy EMC
Jim Reed
MET Laboratories, Inc.
Aaron Snyder
EnerNex Corporation
Chris Sutton
Aclara Power Line Systems
Jim Thurber
Baltimore Gas & Electric Company
John Voisine
Landis+Gyr
Scott Weikel
Elster Solutions
Lea Wren
Watthour Engineering Company
MEMBERS ABSENT
Jack Carr
AEP
David Ellis
PSEG
Travis Mooney
Schweitzer Engineering Labs, Inc.
David Scott
Plexus Research, an R.W. Beck Co.
George Steiner
Sensus Metering Systems
Richard Tucker
Tucker Engineering
Michel Veillette
Trilliant Networks
OTHERS PRESENT
Michael Anderson
Landis+Gyr
Terry Bates
Oncor
Gordon Belcher
Northeast Utilities
Wayne Cross
BC Hydro
Shannon Edwards
Radian Research, Inc.
Solomon Franklin
CPS Energy
Frank Garcia
TESCO
Dan Gunderson
Minnesota Power
Mark Hoffman
GE Energy
Lance Irwin
Schneider Electric
Mark Keyes
Sensus Metering Systems Inc.
Tom Lawton
TESCO – an ADVENT Co.
Reginald Murchison
Alabama Power
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Paul Orr
NEMA Staff
Terry Penn
Southern Company
Presiding Officer:
Mr. Tom Nelson, Chair
1.
CALL TO ORDER (T. NELSON)
2.
ANTI-TRUST GUIDELINES
Members were reminded that the meeting is being conducted in accordance with
the NEMA Guidelines for Conducting NEMA Meetings.
It is all members’ duty to voice concern if they feel the discussion is on the
forbidden topics.
3.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
The agenda was approved as submitted.
4.
MEMBERSHIP
A roster was circulated for attendance and updating.
5.
APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS MINUTES
The minutes from the October 7, 2010 meeting were approved as submitted.
6.
CHAIR REPORTS
6.1
C12.1 SUBCOMMITTEE – S. WEIKEL
Scott Weikel reported that the subcommittee met this week. Two standards are in
work. C12.10 is ready to go to ANSI for the approval process. ANSI C12.1
disconnect switch proposal is being reviewed.
6.2
C12.15 SUBCOMMITTEE – S. GLASGOW
Shawn Glasgow reported that we created a C12.9 working group. The working
group is tasked to look at test switch interfacing with probes. Before the next
meeting a revision will be ready for review. We anticipate C12.9 will be balloted
this year.
A TRINIWOG report was given with a preview of the data. A smaller group (data
analysis sub-team) will review the data. We are still awaiting 3-phase data.
6.3
C12.16 SUBCOMMITTEE – (Y. NGUYEN FOR) H. MILLICAN
Young Nguyen reported that the subcommittee met today. It was noted the
subcommittee is looking to add a table for non blondel meters, a disclaimer, and
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a proposed change in the scope of C12.20. Plan to add to wording to the EEI
metering handbook.
It was also noted that the Pulse Output and Harmonics working groups are
making good progress.
6.4
C12.17 SUBCOMMITTEE – L. KOTEWA
Larry Kotewa reported that C12SC17 has not met since the last C12 main
meeting. The subcommittee is planning to hold meetings in the 3rd week of June
or July 2011, hosted by Itron. At that time we will incorporate changes from IEEE
version and our list of parking lot issues.
Also started looking at C12.18 and C12.21 plan to reaffirm these.
6.5
C12.24 SUBCOMMITTEE – T. EVERIDGE
Shannon Edwards reported that at the last meeting it was decided the document
would be published as a Technical Report. The document is undergoing final
formatting and is to be submitted shortly to ANSI for approval
6.6
C12.27 SUBCOMMITTEE - A. SNYDER
Aaron Snyder reported that the goal of this newly formed subcommittee is to
produce an ANSI standard for Meter upgradeability. We have established a short
list of seed source materials. The plan is to meet today and set up a series of
monthly conference calls.
7.
WORKING GROUP- FIELD TESTING OF METERING SITES
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The purpose of this working group is to test the meter in its real world
environment. The meter, the CT, the wiring, etc…, to know that the meter is
properly operating in its environment.
Action: Aaron Snyder will work with Bill Hardy (Chair) and Tom Lawton, to
determine the proposed expansion of the in-service testing work. It was
concluded that they are separate items.
Bill Hardy noted that the newly assigned Subcommittee C12 SC 29 Met this
week. There will be a series of monthly conference calls. There is an outline of
what we will be covering. The focus is on what testing you might be doing when
you encounter a meter in the field.
For clarification the test subcommittee assignments are:
C12 SC25 Statistical Sampling Plans for In Service Testing -Tom Lawton
C12 SC29 Field Testing of Metering Sites – Bill Hardy
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8.
C12.22 EAX’ CIPHER MODE
It was noted that Ed Beroset was tasked to submit paperwork to NIST for EAX’ to
be considered on NIST’s approved list. At present all of the paperwork has not
been completed. Marty Burns is helping coordinate the submittal. Mary Ann
Swanson at NIST is the contact.
9.
NAEDRA UPDATE
Terry Penn provided an update on NAEDRA. It was noted that the last meeting
was held Jan 2011. KEMA and FutureDOS met to discuss TDL testing. Herman
Millican has been directed to attend the meetings. NAEDRA has made progress
updating its website.
Measurement Canada is no longer a part of NAEDRA. Now it is ANSI and IEEE.
10.
JOINT WORK ON IEEE P1704 - UTILITY INDUSTRY END DEVICE
COMMUNICATIONS MODULE
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The only update is that the work is continuing. The PAR has been extended until
Dec 2012.
11.
IEEE/IEC DUAL LOGO
Last year it was noted that once we get C12 SC 17 protocol standards published
with IEEE logo, this will help to follow a streamline process to get to the IEC.
Update – We are close to finishing the IEEE version of C12.22 and C12.19.
It was noted in the dual logo process we will need to show 5 countries support
the work.
12.
STANDARDS STATUS
Embedded below is an updated standards status table.
ANSI C12 Stds
Status 04-11.doc
Action: Update subcommittee titles and project action on balloting.
13.
OTHER BUSINESS
13.1 NEMA USDTA Harmonization Roadmap with China – Paul Orr indicated
that NEMA is involved in a project with US Trade Development Agency (USDTA)
and the China Industry Trade Association. Work involves understanding the
issues and development statuses of the two metering standards series (IEC
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62056 and ANSI C12) being used by China and the United States and proposing
a harmonization roadmap to coordinate and bridge the two metering standards.
Interested subject matter experts (SME) willing to participate in future meetings
for this work are: Bill Hardy, Avy Moise, Lance Irwin and Shannon Edwards.
13.2 UL Subject 2735 – It was noted that we need to write a letter to UL.
Knowledge group SME – Lance Irwin, Shawn Glasgow, Jim Thurber, Aaron
Snyder, Jim DeMars, Travis Mooney, Young Nguyen, John Caskey, Tom Nelson.
Possible conference call with UL a NEMA 8EI ANSI C12 led call.
Action: Lance Irwin will set up a conference call to work on this.
It was noted that in the NEC ANSI/NFPA 70 there is an exemption on utility
owned equipment.
13.3 OTHER TOPICS OF INTEREST- Dr. Moise noted that the (request for
comment) RFC 6142 for ANSI C12.22 is now available. It is an informative RFC
that documents transport requirements between IP solutions and C12.22.
A motion was made to keep this on the agenda of SC17 to discuss/review and
report back.
We expect that small task groups authorized by the main committee operate
under NEMA rules even when a NEMA employee is not present.
Action: Secretary is asked to get clarification on this. To clarify, NEMA
Guidelines for meetings are to be followed.
14.
NEXT MEETING
The next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 13, 2011. Dallas, TX
It was noted that 1hr and ½ will be needed.
15.
ADJOURNMENT
Having no further business the meeting was adjourned at 11:57 am.
Recorded by
Reviewed by Counsel
Paul Orr 4-17-11
CRS 4-26-11
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