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From: Peter Gluck
: stinko@panix.com
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: Frank is dead.
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 00:45:16 -050
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I just flipped the channels and heard on the news, "He was 52." while a
picture of Zappa was displayed. I haven't seen anything else yet, but I
guess he died tonight. I need a drink.
Peter
-All the clouds turn to words
All the words float in sequence
No one knows what they mean
Everyone just ignores them. -ENO
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From: Tom Dempster
: tomd@netcom.com
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: CBS report: passed away
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 05:51:26
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CBS is reporting that Frank died yesterday. My brother committing suicide
was
one thing, but this may be more than I can take.
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From: Randy Crump
: rcrump@csulb.edu
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: Re: CBS report: passed away
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 06:38:03 GMT
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Good-bye, Frank Zappa.
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From: Ted Molczan
: molczan@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca
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: Frank has died.
Msg-ID: <CHLpnB.738@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 06:49:58
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I am sad to say that I have just seen a bulletin on CNN that Frank Zappa
has died of prostate cancer at age 52.
Like everyone here, I have been hoping for the best, while fearing the
worst. His passing is hard to take, especially at so young an age, but he
accomplished a great deal in the time he had. One thought that consoles
me is that he lived long enough to participate in the Yellow Shark
project,
and finally heard his music performed by people who cared.
Those who wish to send their condolences to Gail and the kids can write
to
the following address:
Frank Zappa
P.O. Box 5265
North Hollywood, CA
USA
91616
-Ted Molczan@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
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From: Jan Christiaan van Win
: jc@sci.kun.nl
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: Frank Zappa died
Msg-ID: <CHLoAJ.L3q@sci.kun.nl>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 06:20:43
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I heard the following news this morning on the breakfast news:
Frank Zappa died at the age of 52 and was burried on Saturday December 4.
Th world greatest musician, guitar player, composer is no longer
creating the music we all love.
I am a bit sad now, but we will still be able to play the magnificent
music he made.
May he rest in peace, and I wish his family the strength to bear this
loss.
JC
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jc@sci.kun.nl
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From: Chris Ullsperger
: ullsperg@mendel.berkeley.edu
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: Music is the Best!
Msg-ID: <2dulb8$cgt@agate.berkeley.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 07:00:56 GMT
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Well, I am at a loss for words, frankly. This sucks. I hope his last days
weren't filled with too much pain...
Suffice it to say that the next few days will be filled with the man's
music. Maybe if we all play our stereo's at the same time he'll be able
to hear it...
Long live Zappa!
---------------------------------------------------my ship of love, ready to attack
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Subject : CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
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Posted: 5 Dec 1993 22:48:10 -080
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In a CNN news report tonight they said that Frank Zappa
died and was buried Sunday in a private ceremony.
They reported that he died from prostate cancer which
he had been battling for some time. he was fifty-two years old.
They said Frank Zappa was a leader in the war against the
censorship of music and broke new ground in rock music.
-delisle@connected.com delisle@eskimo.com
"The advance of civilization means the continuing restrictions on
privacy."
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From: Bob Longo
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: Frank Zappa died!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec5.220539.336@sfpp.com>
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Frank Zappa died today (12/5) of his cancer.
you!
Good bye, Frank.
I'll miss
-Bob
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| "I am not gonna raise taxes on
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| middle class to pay for these
Los Angeles, CA
| programs." - Bill Clinton
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From: Mike Quigley
: Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca
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Subject : :-(
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 07:16:10 GMT
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A sad day...
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From: Markus Fuenfrocken
: gg15hzmf@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de
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: ZAPPA IS DEAD !
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 07:17:59 GMT
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A sad day for all of us... Frank Vincent Zappa is dead !
I just heard the morning news in germnay. He died a day ago and
was burried in the closest family-circle. He died in his house.
All the words can't express what i feel this morning. I saw this man
only one from face to face. Fuck i got in contact with his music so
late. Fuck i'm so fucking young.
Only the good die young! Or is it: Only the GOD dies young ?
The musical world is a genius poorer. Even if he said:
"I don't care about the peolpe remebering me - i don't wanna be
remembered. People who want to be remembered call themselves
Bush or Reagan".
So Frank, from here and from us - many thanks for your appearance
on this fucking planet - YOU made it a little more worth living on.
In deep sadness,
Markus F.
-Markus Fuenfrocken
IRC: KUSIE
Internet:
gg15hzmf@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (FINGER for further details)
mafu@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 07:16:18
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In article <CHLoAJ.L3q@sci.kun.nl>
jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel) writes:
>
>
>I heard the following news this morning on the breakfast news:
>
>Frank Zappa died at the age of 52 and was burried on Saturday December
4.
>
>Th world greatest musician, guitar player, composer is no longer
>creating the music we all love.
>
>I am a bit sad now, but we will still be able to play the magnificent
>music he made.
>
>May he rest in peace, and I wish his family the strength to bear this
loss.
>
Should have lived another 52 years.
FZ come back.
JAn.
>JC
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From: Heiko Kiessling
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: Re: Frank Zappa died
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 08:23:10 GMT
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In article <16C9C7457.U001350@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL>,
U001350@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL
writes:
|> In article <CHLoAJ.L3q@sci.kun.nl>
|> jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel) writes:
|>
|> >
|> >
|> >I heard the following news this morning on the breakfast news:
|> >
|> >Frank Zappa died at the age of 52 and was burried on Saturday
December 4.
|> >
|> >Th world greatest musician, guitar player, composer is no longer
|> >creating the music we all love.
|>
|> >
|> >I am a bit sad now, but we will still be able to play the magnificent
|> >music he made.
|> >
|> >May he rest in peace, and I wish his family the strength to bear this
loss.
|> >
|>
|> Should have lived another 52 years.
|> FZ come back.
Me too. I always hoped he would live a thirty years at least fighting
prostate
cancer, as did for example Anthony Burgess. I must say I expected the
worst,
but now that it happened, words fail me. I hope I will be able to listen
to
his music again soon.
Ciao, Heiko
-"I have a dream that someday people will no longer be judged by their
skin color or gender but by the things that really count, like their
taste in music."
-Murphy Brown
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From: Michael Illgner
: fillg1@haegar2.uni-paderborn.de
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: He is dead !
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 09:24:06 +010
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I am so sorry
Good Bye Frank !!!
-Michael Illgner
Theodorstrasse 27
2331
4790 Paderborn
05251/26488
Germany
fillg1@uni-paderborn.de
Warburger Strasse 100
Tel.
Buero
Theoretische Physik
Privat
05251/60-
Buero : N3.323
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From: Johan L}ng
: long@Bagdad.docs.uu.se
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: Re: Frank Zappa died!
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 08:32:59 GMT
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longo@sfpp.com (Bob Longo) writes:
>Frank Zappa died today (12/5) of his cancer.
miss you!
Good bye, Frank.
I'll
>-Bob
Shocking News!!
I'll miss him too!! The fresh breeze of musical innovation...and I'll
guess
that it will hold on for some time to come.
My sad, humble thanks to an ingenious composer.
Johan.
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>Bob Longo (longo@sfpp.com)
| "I am not gonna raise taxes on
the
>Santa Fe Pacific Pipelines
| middle class to pay for these
>Los Angeles, CA
| programs." - Bill Clinton
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From: David Silver
: dsilver@panix.com
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: Frank Zappa for President
Msg-ID: <2duqpr$nal@panix.com>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 03:34:03 -050
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I always like to think he could have done it. I guess I'm glad I heard
about Frank's passing here on the net, loosely connected to so many
others
who will miss him. Maybe he's up there helping out with the Hubble?
Shit. The man ought to be walking this earth. So this is what it's like
to get older, you get to see all the people you love and admire waste
away
and die (not to mention yourself). I know it's depressing, but it's
true,
and really sad. Is this an extra poignant time for anyone else out
there,
being so close to the anniversary of John Lennon's unfortunate departure?
I met FZ twice, once when he did an interview at the NYU radio station
around 1978 (he autographed my music notebook along with writing a short
musical phrase), and once at the Bottom Line when he dropped in to play
with Flo and Eddie, maybe 1976. I used to go to 5 or 6 Halloween shows
in
a weekend at the Palladium back in those days, and take hundreds of
pictures.
Anyway, I don't mean to go on and on, I just feel really bad.
loss.
-David Silver
dsilver@panix.com
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From: Malcolm Humes
: malcolm@wrs.com
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: frank will live forever...
What a
Msg-ID: <malcolm.755164080@wrs.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 07:48:00
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I am sad but I am happy... most deaths that have ever touched my life
have been a release - someone I knew who died a slow and painful death.
I imagine that Frank Zappa's last year or so has been difficult and
painful and that for him and his family the finality of his death is
a happy release to his suffering. I respect and admire his strength to
keep working and I'm certain that his music will be remembered and
loved for years, widely interpreted by academia and by other musicians.
Like Miles Davis or many of the jazz greats he has spawned a family
off offspring that will continue to spread out into new horizons of
creativity, both from his immediate family and his vast alumni of
co-conspirators.
Thanks, Frank! I recall hearing you say you didn't care if anyone
remembered you, in response to the media asking what you wanted
to be remembered for. Paraphrased, you said you did what you did
because that was what you wanted to do, and if other folks liked it
that was fine, but that wasn't the motivating force behind why you u
did what you did. I'll still remember every concert of yours I
saw anyway, especially the Sheik Yerbouti tour which was probably the
first interesting show I ever saw live. And I'll remember talking to
you on the radio when you considered running for president of the USA,
and for the Porn Wars hearings. Thanks for fighting hard for what you
believed in and in giving myself and others hope and inspiration
to fight future battles of our own...
oh well, I tried, but it still seems like shallow bs to me. I wish he
had been able to stick around a few more decades. I'd rather have had
a composer in the white house than a saxophone weilding politico. I
can't think of any other artists as prolific and consistently enyoyable.
- Malcolm
"The present-day composer refuses to die!" EDGAR VARESE, July 1921
A
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From: brstr2::sysman
: sysman@brstr2.enet.dec.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: )-: Thanks Frank :-(
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.084638.24915@decuk.uvo.dec.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 09:46:49
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Just heard some sad news on the radio:
Frank died on saturday and was buried quietly.
Panta rhei, ouden menei, except for the vast amount of
music he gave us over the years...
May he rest in peace and may his music be here as long as
Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's and Stravinsky's.
Thanks Frank.
Dirk Van de moortel
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From: David Fuller
: dafuller@sequent.com
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: Re: ZAPPA IS DEAD !
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.082721.27405@sequent.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 08:27:21 G
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: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Sigh.
-Dave Fuller
Sequent Computer Systems
dafuller@sequent.com
All opinions expressed are my own and not
those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
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From: RB
: upubrb@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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: Zappa is dead.
Msg-ID: <CHLvnx.G5D@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 09:02:00
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While I will miss Zappa's creativity, I think I will miss his staunch
individualism even more. At a time when such individualism is a rare
commodity, we lose a great champion for individualism. Zappa always
walked it like he talked it, and there are few in the industry that you
can truly say that about.
Viva Zappa!
ltothjr.
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From: Dirk Froehling
: dirk@gaga.maschinenbau.uni-dortmund.de
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 27 words 320 bytes
: The present day composer is dead...
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 03:05:36 -060
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... and this makes me very sad.
Dirk
| Dirk Froehling - Germany, Uni Dortmund, FB Maschinenbau, LS Mechanik |
| dirk@gaga.maschinenbau.uni-dortmund.de
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From: PARALIS Jean-Pierre
: jpp@saphir.biomath.jussieu.fr
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: rip !
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sad day :(
i'm gonna heard it one more time!
his music never die !
-when you wake up in the morning
take a few minute, an listen to
the very first idea which come
to your mind ! It could be the
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jean pierre paralis
tel: 72 35 90 94 (33)
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From: HENK MEULENDIJKS
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 09:14:31
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Maybe It is wrong but this morning the Dutch national radio said in a
newsbullitan that Frank Zappa died.
Normally I concider this as a rumour but this national radio.
verify please.
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: jpp@saphir.biomath.jussieu.fr
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sad day :(
i'm gonna heard it again !
his music never die !
"c'est toujours les meilleurs qui partent les premiers"
french citation.
-when you wake up in the morning take a few minute
| jean pierre
paralis
and listen to the very first idea which come to your| tel: 72 35 90 94
(33)
mind ! It could be the beguining of an extraordinary|
jpp@biomath.jussieu.fr
adventure ! The beguining of HAPINNESS !
|
jpp@zen.gatelink.fr.net
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From: Jerry Glomph Black
: black@ll.mit.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: The short form: farewell
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.090009.16394@ll.mit.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 09:00:09 G
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FRANK ZAPPA DEAD AT 52--Musician and composer Frank Zappa, who
fused rock, jazz and classical music behind lyrics of scathing, often
raunchy satire and social commentary, has died of prostate cancer at
52. Zappa died Saturday evening at his Los Angeles home, a family
friend said. He was buried in Los Angeles in a private ceremony
Sunday. (6039)
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From: Edward Tufic Saadi
: e_saadi@guvax
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 19 words 193 bytes
: Come Back, Frank.
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.044857.6196@guvax>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 04:48:57 -0500
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We love you Frank!
I know that I will meet you someday.
Until then, goodbye, old friend.
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From: Stephen D. Grant
: miles@ms.uky.edu
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: Re: instrumental choice
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 05:10:03 -050
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My favs...
"The Ocean is the Ultimmate Solution" from Sleep Dirt
"Revised Music for Guitar and Low-Budget Orchestra" rom Studio Tan
"Apostrophe" from Apostrophe'
"Black Napkins" from Zoot Allures
"Pink Napkins" from a 12" LP "Drafted Again"
And the "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar" box set has LOTS of good stuff!
Thanks for the smiles, Frank. RIP.
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From: simon roberts
: spxscr@thor.cf.ac.uk
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Dead
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 10:08:07 G
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And now, a minutes snork...
You changed my life. Thankyou Frank.
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From: Phineas
: phin@west.darkside.com
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: Frank Zappa 1940-1993... RIP
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Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 93 01:39:30
Org. : The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM
I knew this day would come but of course it always comes too soon...
turning on the news and finding that Frank has died. Even now, I
find it hard to believe he's dead... Frank just always seemed like
the kind of person who would live forever. I remember an interview
he did on the Today show where he said "It doesn't matter how people
will remember me" but I'll always remember him as a brilliant artist,
a musical genius, and a very funny and smart guy who made a lot of
people laugh and think and dazzled us with his music. Frank may have
died at the relatively young age of 52, but he certainly lived an
extraordinarily full and productive lifetime and left behind an enormous
body of work that I can only hope will continue to be appreciated and
re-appreciated for many years to come. Thank you Frank... rest well.
--Phineas Narco
PS. If there is anyone in the bay area who is going to LA for the
funeral, I would greatly appreciate a ride... though I don't know
at this point where and when it will be exactly. I assume quite a
lot of people will be there.
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From: Florian Ziemann
: fziemann@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
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: FZ is dead
Msg-ID: <fziemann.755173380@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 10:23:00
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: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
I can't believe the conceptual continuity will cease at this point.
May the deathless horsie live forever...
Good bye, Frank. I love your music.
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From: Klimek
: fm24@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de
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: Frank Zappa is dead !
Msg-ID: <2dv22a$qk3@darum.uni-mannheim.de>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 10:38:02 GMT
Org.
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I have just seen it in the TV news:
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*** Frank Zappa died this weekend from cancer. He has already been buried
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*** on sunday.
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Oliver
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Subject : FZ bye bye
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.111149.9772@dct.ac.uk>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 11:11:49 GMT
Org.
: Dundee Institute of Technology
Bye Bye Frank - thanks for all your help !!!
Does this mean that I should go work out another Zappa Guitar part
instead of
Trout Mask Replica ?
Ken Whelan
"Now believe me when I tell you that my song is really true !"
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From: David Basckin
: basckin@mtb.und.ac.za
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: 25 words 241 bytes
: Mourning
Msg-ID: <basckin.19.2D031512@mtb.und.ac.za>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 11:18:43
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: University Of Natal (Durban)
I mourn the death of Frank Zappa. I mourn the loss of a composer, a
musician, a libertarian and a humourist.
David Basckin
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: 17 words 206 bytes
: Re: FZ bye bye
Msg-ID: <931206.23596.LCARTA@delphi.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 DEC 93 06:33:16 E
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: Delphi Internet
The world is not as good a place as it was yesterday.
an FZ fan........
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From: Johannes Labisch
: joe@cs.tu-berlin.de
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: Re: Frank Zappa died
Msg-ID: <2dv6ih$77i@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>
Posted: 06 Dec 1993 11:54:56 GMT
Org.
: TU Berlin Fachbereich Informatik
A few years ago I read this (in german) in the german magazine "Stern":
(re-translated)
"'To be good, music has to be composed by one who is dead, preferably by
one
who is dead and was wearing a wig.'
Frank Zappa, 46, Musician"
(This must be six years ago. I'm still having that bit (with Frank's
picture)
in the pocket.)
I once saw Frank wearing a wig on stage...
Will people now be convinced that he was a great composer?
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Johannes Labisch
TU Berlin
joe@cs.tu-berlin.de
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From: HUELSEN FLORIAN
: j3huel01@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Dead
Msg-ID: <j3huel01.21@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 11:56:37
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: University of Passau - Germany
Oh my god, saw the news today
........now he's dead
.......I can't believe it !
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From: Glenn Wiltse
: iggy@utopia.merit.edu
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: Farewell Mr. Zappa
Msg-ID: <2dv7r8$3gp@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 12:16:40 GMT
Org.
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Well apparently Frank died last night or eraly this morning, I don't
know
which. I just cought a blip on the ABC morning news this morning and I
was
in the bathroom at the time so I didn't hear the whole blip.
Then to really piss me off I figure that Detroit's "clasic" rock
station
would acknowledge Mr. Zappa's passing, but no, the only peice of news I
heard
out of them was about moose dropping jewelry. WCSX are the call letters
of the
station, unfortunitly they are the best station in town these days.
God I hate comercial music.
At any rate this Zappa Fan, is sorry to see this legand die. He will
always be my favorite musician/composer.
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From: Magnum
Address : olemo@dhhalden.no
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Subject : Re: Frank is dead.
Msg-ID: <olemo.388.2D032533@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:27:31
Org.
: ODH
In article <2dugtc$9p5@panix.com> stinko@panix.com (Peter Gluck) writes:
>I just flipped the channels and heard on the news, "He was 52." while a
>picture of Zappa was displayed. I haven't seen anything else yet, but I
>guess he died tonight. I need a drink.
I heard the news from a fellow Zappa-fan and good friend of mine this
morning, just before my assembly exam. Sad news indeed...
Let's throw a party for him, listen to his records and remember him and
his
music. He's given us lots that will never go away even though he himself
has.
Peace!
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
Hovsveien 130
olemo@gyda.dhhalden.no
N-1769 HALDEN
NORWAY
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
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From: Andre Csillaghy
: csillag@iem.ee.ethz.ch
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: NO SUBJECT ...
Msg-ID: <CHM52s.53y@bernina.ethz.ch>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:23:12
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: ETH Zurich, Switzerland
He made me discover what music is ... but he was only interested in two
things.
See if you can guess what they were ...
Andre
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From: Magnum
: olemo@dhhalden.no
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: Request for reposts: Zappa interviews
Msg-ID: <olemo.389.2D03263F@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:32:00
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: ODH
Now that Frank is no longer with us, it would be nice if someone who has
kept them would be kind enough to repost the interviews with him that
have
appeared on this group more or less recently (I've seen at least a couple
this year, and I'm sure there are more).
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
Hovsveien 130
olemo@gyda.dhhalden.no
N-1769 HALDEN
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From: Magnum
: olemo@dhhalden.no
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: Re: :-(
Msg-ID: <olemo.391.2D0326BD@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:34:05
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: ODH
In article <33818@mindlink.bc.ca> Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike
Quigley)
writes:
>A sad day...
Indeed!
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
Hovsveien 130
olemo@gyda.dhhalden.no
N-1769 HALDEN
NORWAY
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
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From: Glenn Wiltse
: iggy@utopia.merit.edu
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: Re: Farewell Mr. Zappa
Msg-ID: <2dv9no$3m5@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 12:48:56 GMT
Org.
: Merit Network, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI
opps, I guess I shouldn't be to quick to blame WCSX for not reporting of
Zappa`s death. The word I'm getting now is that it happened Saturday.
So who has the whole story?
In article <2dv7r8$3gp@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> iggy@utopia.merit.edu
(Glenn Wiltse) writes:
:)
Well apparently Frank died last night or eraly this morning, I
don't know
:)which. I just cought a blip on the ABC morning news this morning and I
was
:)in the bathroom at the time so I didn't hear the whole blip.
:)
Then to really piss me off I figure that Detroit's "clasic" rock
station
:)would acknowledge Mr. Zappa's passing, but no, the only peice of news I
heard
:)out of them was about moose dropping jewelry. WCSX are the call letters
of
the
:)station, unfortunitly they are the best station in town these days.
:)God I hate comercial music.
:)
At any rate this Zappa Fan, is sorry to see this legand die. He
will
:)always be my favorite musician/composer.
:)
:)
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From: Norman Purves
: purves@cfht.hawaii.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 145 words 899 bytes
: Grief
Msg-ID: <purves.755182145@cfht.hawaii.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:49:05
Org.
: University of Hawaii
We've all known, or at least suspected that this day would come. Frank
Zappa is
dead.
With him dies a vital part of the old "counterculture" of the sixties and
seventies. It
is not a loss that we who remember those days with meaning can take
without an
unavoidable
dimunition of our own selves and the lives we have tried to give meaning.
But,
we must not
dispair, just because the great man is gone from us- we must not accept
defeat
because Zap
is gone, and Tipper Gore still remains. Nanook will live forever- the
Enema
Bandit will
stalk the campus roads of Bloomington, Illinois, for all time.
When the grief gets to heavy (FZ would kill me saying all this shit!)
remember
the
immortal words:
"Broken hearts are for assholes!"
"And you're an asshole!"
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From: Bob Belas
: belas@mbimail.umd.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
Msg-ID: <belas.199.0007D7AF@mbimail.umd.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 07:50:30
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: Center of Marine Biotechnology
Hi All,
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest. I
was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
that one day.
ideas?
Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment.
Any other
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~~ "Now imagine a Moebius vortex inside a spherical constant, and you've
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got my cosmology." Frank Zappa, 1992.
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Bob Belas, Assistant Professor, Sensory Transduction
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Center of Marine Biotechnology, University of Maryland
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Biotechnology Institute, 600 East Lombard Street
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Baltimore (my fair city) MD 21202
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(410) 783-4825
Belas@mbimail.umd.edu
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From: Jeffrey M. Gold
: gold@chem.duke.edu
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: Refusing to Die
Msg-ID: <24811@news.duke.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 13:24:09 GMT
Org.
: Duke University
I, too, am deeply saddened by our loss. Frank will, of course, live on
in his music. I expect that he will be more universally appreciated as
the years, decades, centuries pass. Ironically (or not) the first sign
of this was demonstrated to me on the day he died (I was not aware of
his passing a that time). My mother was visiting, and I slipped The
Yellow Shark into the cd player while we were driving around town. A
few minutes into Dog/Meat she says, "This is really good. Who is it?"
I beamed and handed her the cd cover.
Long Live FZ!
-----------------------------------------------------------------| Jeff Gold
\ / "Did you say you want some more?|
| Department of Chemistry
\/
Well, here's some more!"
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| Duke University
/\
FZ
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From: Bill Romanowski
: prairie@netcom.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 9 words 186 bytes
: So Long and thanks...
Msg-ID: <prairieCHM85x.9B4@netcom.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 13:29:57
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: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
RIPFZ
-bill romanowski
prairie research
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From: Mike Reed
: mike.reed@satalink.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 18 words 232 bytes
: Frank...
Msg-ID: <1.2284.1443.0N27AA5E@satalink.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 07:22:00 Org.
: DSC/Voicenet * Ivyland, PA * (215) 443-9434
Frank passed away on Saturday 12/04/93 and was buried the following day.
The Music lives on........
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From: Peter Crane
: pcrane@alfred.carleton.ca
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 25 words 371 bytes
: Thanks Frank
Msg-ID: <CHM9pz.BzF@cunews.carleton.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:03:35
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: Carleton University
Good-bye Frank.
Thanks for the music.
You'll always be with us.
peter
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From: Petter Goga
: goga@hsr.no
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: DEAD AS A DODO
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.140658.8159@hsr.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:06:58
Org.
: Rogaland University Centre
What a shitty way to wake up. I didn't even hear this tragic news until
this
morning Monday 6. Dec. on the national news here in Norway on my alarm
clockradio
I wanted to go back to sleep.
Sniff
Sad Petter.
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From: Rob Chauncey
: rob@cs.oberlin.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 92 words 612 bytes
: FZ. Gonna miss him.
Msg-ID: <ROB.93Dec6092619@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu>
Posted: 06 Dec 1993 14:26:18 GMT
Org.
: Educational Film Service
I found out this morning on radio news.
I feel terrible.
...
I sat here for about ten minutes thinking of what to write. I am
speechless. There is nothing I can say that you all don't already
know. Stick together, eh? It's not often that we get to have a
musical genius like that on earth. Make sure the people know.
Rob
--Rob Chauncey
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: This group
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From: Darryl Davis (RA)
: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 136 words 1073 bytes
: Re: )-: Thanks Frank :-(
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.140937.22590@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:09:37
Org.
: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK
I was fishing this morning and turned on the 7 o'clock news.
BBC Radio 4 carried the news of F.Z`s death...
Even carried snippets of his last TV interview
and some earlish music (Hot Rats - Peaches and W.T.P).
Described him as a rock, jazz and seroius musician who
initially rose to public noteiriety due his uncomprising
music and shows which contained highly sarcastic lyrics!
dr doom the optimist
-Dr. Darryl Davis, Multi-Media Information Systems Group,
Manchester University, Brunswick St, Manchester, M13 9PL.
E-mail: dnd@spec0.man.ac.uk
Phone: (+44)-61-275-4561
FAX:
(+44)-61-275-4512
"THE VERY BIG STUPID is a thing which breeds by eating The
Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a
good-looking quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D
Department."
Frank Zappa, "The Real Frank Zappa", 1989
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From: RandyMan
: rwalters@gtech.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 117 words 808 bytes
: ...the music plays forever...
Msg-ID: <rwalters-061293093900@156.24.83.105>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:43:45
Org.
: Earth's Anti-Entropic Alliance
When I was back in high school in '72, the first band I was ever in
choose
"Peaches En Regalia" from "Hot Rats" as the very first tune we learned...
This is impossible - I'm trying to come up with quick examples of how
Frank has influenced my life for over 25 years... it's better just to
admit
that it will never be the same, not being able to anticipate that next
album...
Frank has re-joined the Big Note... Godspeed and thanks.
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Travhf vf n jbeq crbcyr hfr gb qvfgnapr gurzfryirf
sebz gur erfcbafvovyvgl gb or nznmvat.
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Our champion is gone.
Msg-ID: <16C9C7BB9.CCLEMEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:47:52
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: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
I just heard about Frank's death this morning on NPR.
Our champion is gone.
........................................................................
:Christopher Clement
To be great,
:
:CCLEMEN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
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From: Greg Dunn
: gdunn@nyx.cs.du.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Farewell
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.144611.16893@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 14:46:11 G
Org.
: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
One of the greatest composer/musician/philosophers of this or any age is
no longer with us.
I saw Frank in concert; I bought many many of his records; I read his
autobiography; and I wrote a sincere fan letter (I'm sure he was
far too busy to deal with such mundane matters as the U.S. Mail :)
Beyond the fact that I feel terribly empty and sad, there's not a whole
lot to add. "The modern-day composer refuses to die." When most of the
dreck currently being marketed as "music" has long been forgotten; when
the rap, and the bubblegum, and the disco, and the insincere crooning has
all turned to dust; the music of FZ will still be played and admired by
those who appreciate quality, humor, and true musical talent.
Viva Zappa!
| Greg Dunn
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From: David Berner
: dcberner@host0.colby.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 53 words 391 bytes
: : ( :( :( :(
Msg-ID: <dcberner-061293093812@dip-43.wing.mac-lab.lovejoy.colby.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:40:06
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: The Grub Club
so i've been humming "elvis has just left the building"
"jesus let him come back we don't want [zappa] dead..."
sigh.
well, i just found out today and i had my radio show yesterday and
everything. next week i'm going to have to play only zappa.
sigh.
-dave
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From: Dana E. Rollins
: drollins@lib.auburn.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 57 words 420 bytes
: ZAPPA QUOTE
Msg-ID: <drollins.365@lib.auburn.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:15:52
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: Library, Auburn University, Auburn AL USA
Frank made an observation once which I've savored over the
years. On the subject of "Rock Journalism", he is reported
to have said,
"Rock journalism is people who can't write
interviewing people who can't talk
for people who can't read."
I'll miss him.
R.I.P., Frank
You Crazy Mother
Cube
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From: Michael Pape
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: FZ is dead ...
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and he was a great musician !
Nobody can replace him.
So sorry.
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From: Rob Stone
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.151217.237@lclark.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:12:17
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delisle (delisle@goshen.connected.com) wrote:
:
In a CNN news report tonight they said that Frank Zappa
: died and was buried Sunday in a private ceremony.
:
They reported that he died from prostate cancer which
: he had been battling for some time. he was fifty-two years old.
I'm afraid it is true.
I heard that he died on Saturday.
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From: Mike Quigley
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: Frank's Passing: CTV News Blunders!
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: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Frank's passing made the 7 a.m. news on CTV (a Canadian national TV
network)
today, but they made a serious blunder -- they suggested that among his
other
achievements, Frank was responsible for the expressions "Gag me with a
spoon"
and "Grody to the max"! (Well, maybe he was responsible inasmuch as one
of
his CHILDREN came up with these expressions!) Perhaps someone in the
Toronto
area would like to phone up these people and straighten them out?
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From: Magnum
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
Msg-ID: <olemo.393.2D034C8D@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:15:25
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In article <belas.199.0007D7AF@mbimail.umd.edu> belas@mbimail.umd.edu
(Bob
Belas) writes:
>Hi All,
>
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest. I
>was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
>to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
>thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
>that one day.
>ideas?
Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment.
I support that idea!
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
Hovsveien 130
olemo@gyda.dhhalden.no
N-1769 HALDEN
NORWAY
Any other
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
Spelling and grammar errors are righted intentionally.
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: Re: This group
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:18:33
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: ODH
In article <143303Z06121993@anon.penet.fi> an53106@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
I can understand your wish to post anonymously, but I refuse to take part
in
any flaming on a day like this...
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
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From: THOMAS NATVIG
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: He`s dead
Msg-ID: <thomasna.5.2D034EA1@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:24:17
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I heard it today while standing in a porn shop at the swedish border.
My condolances to the Zappa family.
Thom A/S
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From: Rob Chauncey
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: Sorry...I found something to say...
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I hate to post twice, but I have a few things I would like to
say. I was listening to Apostrophe at a party on Saturday night some guy had it on, and we were talking about being Zappa fans. That
was cool, and ironic.
I am gladdened and full of joy to see the multinational
togetherness of this group, though. His conceptual continuity is here
to stay, if he has made this many people wake up and realize music.
He was a great man, great musician, great composer.
The ultimate comeback..."So you don't think Zappa is great?
How many musicians have greatest hits albums? Now how many have two?
How many have greatest hits live albums? How many have two? Zappa
has TWELVE DISCS - and they're all good."
RIP FZ 12/21/40-12/4/93
--Rob Chauncey
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 10:24:20 EST
I heard this morning that you died on Saturday. Your work has
been a
source of joy to me for many years, as has your wisdom, insight, and
humor.
There's no good way to express my appreciation and affection, except to
say,
"Thank you!" You leave this world a richer place than you found it.
Goodbye Frank.
Guido Vacano
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: :~( Missing Frank
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.102648.1@acavax>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 10:26:48 EDT
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Frank Zappa helped me through my adolescence. I feel very sad and want
to
leave my office and take the rest of the day off.
Dr. Stephen M. Marson
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From: Brian Cadwell
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: Frank's Death
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 15:43:25 GMT
Org. : Dept. of Astronomy and Astrophysics, The Pennsylvania State
University
I didn't think I would feel this bad. I feel like I have lost a good
freind. Although I didn't always agree with every idea he put forth,
he did change the way I veiw the world around me. I realise today that
the 2 most important times in my life were 1) discovering Franks music
and
2) coming out of the closet as a gay man. Sounds a little corny but it
is how I feel.
I tried calling 1-818-PUMPKIN today but they must have taken the phone
machine off-line. I guess it makes sense, what could you leave for a
message?
Brian
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From: John McCluer
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: Frank
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I miss Frank
Out in Cucamonga, many years ago,
near a holy-roller church,
was a place where me and a couple of friends
began practicing for the time we might go
on TV
-john
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From: Roy Walter
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: The poodle bites
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Thanks Frank. Love ya!
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 14:07:08
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Regarding the apparent controversy surrounding Zappa's latest
venture into ORCHESTRAL music :)
the following article raises
some good points:
In article <1993Dec5.144935.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
gvacano@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>What WAS the original author trying to say, then? It was my
understanding that
>he was saying (re Zappa trying his hand at "contemporary" music), and I
quote
>"My opinion on this is that it was a wrong move". While I respect his
right to
>hold that opinion, I think I have a right to my own, which is vehemently
>against his.
>
>Zappa made the RIGHT move in venturing into "contemporary" music (I'm
using
>quotes to indicate a tentative use of the term. I'm not really
interested in
>any more quibbling about pigeonholes and categories), if ONLY because it
gave
>him enjoyment. But it also brought a great deal of enjoyment to others
(myself
>included).
[DELETIONS]
>Whether or not it stands the test of time is dependent on all sorts
>of factors, including popularity, whether the critics say it's good,
whether
>"serious" music fans will even listen to Zappa, whether "serious" music
is
>listened to at all, etc, etc. That's irrelevant. It's clear Zappa made
the
>right move.
>
>I personally don't give a damn if Zappa's music is, or is not, played
>50, 100, 500 years from now. And I suspect that Frank did not write his
music
>for the "serious" music fans of 2043, 2193, or even 2693.
I very much suspect this is true (based on what he told What'sername
on the Today show a few months ago in response to the question "What
should Frank Zappa be remembered for?" ... FZ: "nothing."). It is
my opinion that, even if his fame as a composer for orchestras does
not last, he entered that phase of his life for all the right
reasons, several of which are listed above. I am suprised that no
one has pointed out that, initially, he did not want to do the music
for the Yellow Shark, and had to be convinced by Peter Rundel and
the Ensemble Modern that it was a good idea. I am glad that he was,
because YS is a great album of good music.
I think his orchestral music could stand the test of time if given a
broader base from which to be studied. It is my observation that,
generally, the more prolific a composer, the more fame she or he
garners. As of this sad day, there is a major problem in that
regard. Then again, I understand that FZ had reams of STUFF stored
in various media (is "reams" proper terminology for a synclavier
file?) which could in the future be released. It is my fervent hope
that we see more releases of the orchestral music. We will all miss
Frank, but we don't have to miss his music.
-- Ottis R.
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From: Carl Beaudry
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: Goodbye Mr. Zappa
Msg-ID: <beaudry-061293105754@beaudry.swarthmore.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 16:03:19 GMT
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The number of people from all over the world who will miss FZ says all
anyone needs to know about this great artist's passing. All but the fact
that FZ did it the way no one else could.
I will always love his music and I learned more from him about the way
the
world works than from college.
The world is indeed one genius poorer.
--Carl
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From: Doug Obrecht
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Subject : Re: Frank Zappa 1940-1993... RIP
Msg-ID: <obrecht.755193914@imagen>
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phin@west.darkside.com (Phineas) writes:
>I knew this day would come but of course it always comes too soon...
>turning on the news and finding that Frank has died. Even now, I
>find it hard to believe he's dead... Frank just always seemed like
>the kind of person who would live forever. I remember an interview
>he did on the Today show where he said "It doesn't matter how people
>will remember me" but I'll always remember him as a brilliant artist,
>a musical genius, and a very funny and smart guy who made a lot of
>people laugh and think and dazzled us with his music. Frank may have
>died at the relatively young age of 52, but he certainly lived an
>extraordinarily full and productive lifetime and left behind an enormous
>body of work that I can only hope will continue to be appreciated and
>re-appreciated for many years to come. Thank you Frank... rest well.
Ditto.
P.S. I am profoundly saddened by this event.
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From: Eric Pepke
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
Msg-ID: <pepke-061293110348@pepkemac.scri.fsu.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 16:12:06 GMT
Org.
: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them
In article <2draks$7il@sabon.cs.arizona.edu>, andrey@CS.Arizona.EDU
(Andrey
K. Yeatts) wrote:
> *Philip* Glass?
Knock Knock.
Who's there?
Knock
Who's
Knock
Who's
Knock
Who's
Philip
Philip
Philip
Philip
Knock.
there?
Knock.
there?
Knock.
there?
Glass
Glass
Glass
Glass
Eric Pepke
pepke@scri.fsu.edu
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
Florida State University
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Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
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: Re: Frank's Passing: CTV News Blunders!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.160645.2621@trentu.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 16:06:45
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In article <33839@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike
Quigley)
writes:
>Frank's passing made the 7 a.m. news on CTV (a Canadian national TV
network)
>today, but they made a serious blunder -- they suggested that among his
other
>achievements, Frank was responsible for the expressions "Gag me with a
spoon"
>and "Grody to the max"! (Well, maybe he was responsible inasmuch as one
of
>his CHILDREN came up with these expressions!) Perhaps someone in the
Toronto
>area would like to phone up these people and straighten them out?
Well I live near Toronto and I am familliar with CTV so the
blunder
does not surprise me at all. So many of the local mass media are not only
incompetent in reporting the facts but do so with that (trying to think
of
a quick smart-assed short-and-to-the-point snearing FZ-like-phrase)
politically-biased-by-our-owners camera lens filter that just reeks of a
pathetic attempt to manipulate the audience which unfortuanately works on
those unwilling to form oppinions for themselves.
I favorite FZ memory is a TV interview in which he discussed his
hypotheses of the origins of AIDS.
1/ Monkeys in Africa (ties in a basis of racial hatred against blacks
----- what good propaganda doesn't involve hatred against some group---)
He then laughs ... monkeys in africa ... UNLIKEY!
2/ Virus came from outerspace ..... UNLIKELY!
3/ Virus escaped from a private medical research lab .... not very
likely!
4/ Virus escaped from a millitary research fascility .... hmmmmm.
5/ Virus was intentionally released from __________
.....HHHHMMMMMMM!
This is why I like Zappa ... He is a free thinker who doesn't
take
the bullshit that the government-media machine spews forth and turns it
around using humor to shed some light on the whole situation.
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From: Steve Howie
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: Frank's Dead
Msg-ID: <2dvlvn$k1p@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 16:17:59 GMT
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: University of Guelph
This is a depressing day - I am just starting my yearly bout with
the flu, it's cold, dreary and miserable outside and I heard the
bad news on the radio this morning. Somehow, listening to 'Thingfish'
just won't be the same any more.
Scotty
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If its not Scottish it's C-r-r-raaaaaaaaaapppp!!
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From: Jim Gunson
: gunson@slough.mit.edu
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: Rest in peace, Frank
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 16:22:49 GMT
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May God bless you,
Hope there are no Pyjama People up there.
You were the best, baby.
Jim Gunson
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From: John Chick
: JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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: So long Frank
Msg-ID: <16C9CA22A.JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 93 11:31:54
Org. : University of Georgia
Thank you so much for your music and genius.
With one such as you, it is not appropriate to
say goodbye, because I will still be forever
getting to know you through the music you have
left us. Still, I am sad that you will no
longer be with us to show the folly of our ways.
Miles Davis (last year)
Albert Collins (last week)
Frank Zappa (last saturday)
The mighty have fallen and can't get up.
I thought you might like that one.
R.I.P.
Love,
John.
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From: Diane Reese
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: sigh
Msg-ID: <CHMDur.y84@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:32:51
Reply-To: reese@watson.ibm.com (Diane Reese)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily
those
of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: terra.watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.00
A friend in Sweden wants to know if mail sent to the P.O. box mentioned
here will actually be read by anyone. And does anyone know if the
818-PUMPKIN line still works, and if so, what's on it today?
Has anyone considered compiling the sentiments from here to send to
California?
Diane Reese
reese@watson.ibm.com
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From: Mike Quigley
: Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca
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: Re: This group
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 16:54:10 GMT
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> an53106@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
> Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
>
I sure hope not! Though Frank is gone, his music lives on!
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Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.152827.25966@vexcel.com>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 15:28:27 GMT
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Now that Frank is dead, it is his music that will live on. We can
probably
expect to here a lot of his rock band recordings on some radio stations
but it will be interesting to see if there are extra performances of his
orchestral music as a result.
It is important to realize that many "contemporary classical" composers
(a badly worded phrase) are not accepted at that time. Many students
of this kind of music are trained as to what to listen for for quality
music and innovators will not follow those molds. One of Franks most
persistent criticisms of much "classical" music was that it is very
much formula music. Students are taught how to use the full orchestra,
and in some cases, the creativity of the orchestral composer (or
arranger)
may be no more so than for a pop musician: they create a nice melody.
All
of the orchestration that follows _may_ be just the application of
standard techniques taught in a school and might just as well be done
by a properly programmed computer. Only time will tell whether Frank's
orchestral music will be accepted by the community that traditionally
support that kind of music. I think that they are a fairly open minded
group and will probably do so.
--- Dean Myerson
(dean@vexcel.com)
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From: Benjamin Kline Lowenga
: ben@media.mit.edu
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 16:24:08
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"Music is the best!"
Anybody want to post personal Zappa Anecdotes? I met him in '82 after
sitting way high up in the Hartford Civic Center. He was investigating
Bar Bands and I went to a (gross) place called Cell Block 11 in Hartford.
Max Creek was the band there, and when Frank came in (with his scary
bodyguard) I ran up to him shook his hand and thanked him for the show. He
was
considerate,appreciative but very on guard for wierdos, then he went
backstage
to meet Max Creek? Frank was partially responsible for me graduating from
High School, I would have never made it through wothout the Phi Zappa
Crappa
poster and One Size Fits All in 1976.
Any radio staion tributes out there..WBCN really sucks by ignoring his
whole catalogue...
-benj
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I thought of something to say, too.
Frank Zappa was the only artist of any kind who kept my whole brain
happy.
There have been many artists who have kept parts of my brain happy,
including Gil Evans, Varese, Ernie Kovacs, P.G. Wodehouse, Salvador Dali,
Igor Stravinski, Laurie Anderson, Joe Pass, The Residents, The Dead
Kennedys, The Goons, and dozens of others that I can't think of right
now.
Not a single one of them produced art that satisfied everything from the
primal thuddings of my brainstem and R-complex through the emotional
yearnings of my limbic system through the precision-craving rationality
of
my neocortex. Zappa did, and even more, his art never asked me to draw a
line, to forget either that I was a writhing, humping creature from the
muck or an intellectual, spiritual entity. A song about a prostitute
might
as easily be pierced with a theme of heart-rending beauty as might a
piece
of complex polyrhythm and polyphony be modulated with the visceral
strains
of "Louie Louie" or a dose of bathroom humor. He judged nothing above or
below his grasp.
Zappa's music satisfies in the same way the best sex does, at all levels
at
once. There can be no higher praise.
Eric Pepke
pepke@scri.fsu.edu
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Florida State University
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purves@cfht.hawaii.edu (Norman Purves) writes:
> We've all known, or at least suspected that this day would come. Frank
Zappa
> With him dies a vital part of the old "counterculture" of the sixties
and sev
> is not a loss that we who remember those days with meaning can take
without a
> dimunition of our own selves and the lives we have tried to give
meaning. But
> dispair, just because the great man is gone from us- we must not accept
defea
> is gone, and Tipper Gore still remains. Nanook will live forever- the
Enema B
> stalk the campus roads of Bloomington, Illinois, for all time.
>
> When the grief gets to heavy (FZ would kill me saying all this shit!)
remembe
> immortal words:
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"Broken hearts are for assholes!"
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"And you're an asshole!"
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"But hey!
Let's not get maudline about this!"
--FZ, Baby Snakes
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: My soundtrack memories
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Frank Zappa was a genius. An entertainer, a trailblazer, an individual,
someone who knew some absolute truths about life. And a major part of
the soundtrack of my life.
High school, driving around in someone's beat-up old car, "Live at the
Fillmore" blaring. The secret word for that year was "mudshark". English
teacher getting upset when I quoted from the banter in my class journal.
Going to see "200 Motels" with Paul, my first love.
College, taking the train up and down the east coast to follow Zappa
wherever I could during his concert tours. Clear memories of sitting in
an audience at Princeton, being totally awed at the way he was able to
conduct the musicians to perfectly interpret into music the physical
movements he was making. Carrying "No Commerical Potential" into class
and seeing who took an interest.
On my own, playing "Burnt Weenie Sandwich" for prospective new boyfriends
and watching their reaction. Those who didn't pass the Zappa test didn't
get many second chances. Finding a husband whose Zappa collection was at
least the match of my own.
Life goes on, musical phases come and go, resurgences of interest and
support. Baby Snakes. Zappa for President. Mothers of Prevention. New
directions and horizons. Meeting a dear friend in Sweden through a BBS
when he discovered I knew the names of all 4 of Zappa's kids: we've
visited 3 times so far and give each other FZ musical gifts regularly.
A 4YO son asking me in the living room this morning why I was playing
that music and crying and smiling -- after all these years, "Burnt
Weenie Sandwich" is still just as magical and takes my soul to places
I can't easily describe -- then dancing with me to "Cosmic Debris".
Watching as I put a "Zappa: Them or Us, Tour '84" t-shirt into my bag
for the day (even if I can't wear it, I can carry it with me).
I'll be 40 in the spring. Zappa and his music have been a part of my
life for more than two decades now, and will continue to be part of it
for as long as I enjoy music. He's one of my heroes; the world has been
enriched by listening in on him doing what he wanted to do.
Diane Reese
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: On behalf of a Swedish friend...
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:58:54
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Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily
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of IBM.
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..who has no access to these newsgroups (except via what I mail to him)
Bye, Frank.
Thanks for everything.
Tomas Hallin (tomas@vnet.ibm.com)
Goteborg, Sweden
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From: Gerry Hatton
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: Re: frank will live forever...
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i didn't think my emotions would get the better of me until i saw the
outpouring of love and respect of frank on this best of newsgroups. as
malcolm so eloquently puts it (below) our duty is clear - make it
possible
for others to hear and appreciate his work as we all do. neglect will
never be fz's fate.
this was made some time ago; here it is now:
there once was a genius named zappa,
whose music some thought of as krappa.
it captured our time,
and was often sublime;
he is destined to have the last laugha.
in loving memory,
ger.
In article <malcolm.755164080@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
writes:
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>I am sad but I am happy... most deaths that have ever touched my life
>have been a release - someone I knew who died a slow and painful death.
>I imagine that Frank Zappa's last year or so has been difficult and
>painful and that for him and his family the finality of his death is
>a happy release to his suffering. I respect and admire his strength to
>keep working and I'm certain that his music will be remembered and
>loved for years, widely interpreted by academia and by other musicians.
>Like Miles Davis or many of the jazz greats he has spawned a family
>of offspring that will continue to spread out into new horizons of
>creativity, both from his immediate family and his vast alumni of
>co-conspirators.
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>Thanks, Frank! I recall hearing you say you didn't care if anyone
>remembered you, in response to the media asking what you wanted
>to be remembered for. Paraphrased, you said you did what you did
>because that was what you wanted to do, and if other folks liked it
>that was fine, but that wasn't the motivating force behind why you u
>did what you did. I'll still remember every concert of yours I
>saw anyway, especially the Sheik Yerbouti tour which was probably the
>first interesting show I ever saw live. And I'll remember talking to
>you on the radio when you considered running for president of the USA,
>and for the Porn Wars hearings. Thanks for fighting hard for what you
>believed in and in giving myself and others hope and inspiration
>to fight future battles of our own...
>
>oh well, I tried, but it still seems like shallow bs to me. I wish he
>had been able to stick around a few more decades. I'd rather have had
>a composer in the white house than a saxophone weilding politico. I
>can't think of any other artists as prolific and consistently enjoyable.
> - Malcolm
>
>"The present-day composer refuses to die!" EDGAR VARESE, July 1921
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>A
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-Gerry Hatton - Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada
Internet: gerry@dgbt.doc.ca - (613) 998 5292 - Fax (613) 993 8657
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Who cares?
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Usually when some big figure in show-biz passes on, I'll just
say who cares? It was just another person - lots of people die
everyday. This is different.
Frank Zappa was definatly an
inspiration and an amazing person. For once I acutally care...
-Dan
-Dan Newcombe
dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
and many
others...
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulder and cry."
-Marillion, "Script for a Jesters Tear"
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: Goodbye Frank...
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A co-worker stopped me in the hallway this morning to tell me
that Frank had passed away. It was a rotten way to start the
week...
We (my friend Dave and I) have been fans of Frank and his music
for many years, of course. But with all the work we've both done
during the last few months on our 10-hour radio show on Frank,
with all the planning and pre-production and listening and sifting through album after album and disc after disc, I think that
our enthusiasm now is higher than it has ever been.
We spent Saturday holed up in my basement, surrounded by Frank's
music and books and articles, and worked to finish the first episode of our 10-episode series. And when we finally got it done,
we went out and celebrated the completion, all in Frank's name.
But we had no idea what had happened that day...
We knew the end was near, but we always hoped that this documentary would not be posthumous. Now that it is, our work takes on
a different mood. We're both very saddened, but we're going to
put a radio show together to be proud of. Something Frank would
be pleased with. And we're going to do our best to show everyone
how big a hole Frank left behind.
Frank, we miss you already. Enjoy your rest, old friend.
You deserve it.
Eric L. Tullis
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..and I only found out just now from reading on the newsgroup.
What a star - he'll be missed more than most.
RIP.
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: Bye, Frank! We miss ya!
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Gone but not forgotten, Frank!!!!
Wait up for us up there! :)
Joe McGlinchey
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: gonna miss 'ya, frank
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Read it in the paper over coffee this morning, and it hurts like hell...
Frank, I followed your every musical twist from Absolutely Free to the
Yellow Shark... nobody ever did it like you... the world feels a lot
emptier today... thanks for passing through.
hank@dweezil
'if you listen to the RADIO, and what they play today,
you can tell right away, ALL THOSE ASSHOLES REALLY NEED YOU...'
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: Goodbye Frank
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Although Frank's passing comes as no surprise, the shock
is more than I can bear. I am completely devastated!
Although our present-day composer has died, his music will
live on. FRANK ZAPPA'S MUSIC IS THE BEST!!!
Goodbye Frank. I hope they are FREAKing OUT wherever you are.
Thanks for everything.
Jeff Rocca
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From: Paul Mather
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: Frank est mort... Vive Frank!
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 17:46:29 GMT
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My alarm clock woke me up at 7am this morning to the BBC Radio 3 news
headlines which told me Frank Zappa had died. Even though I had known
about Frank's condition since it was first announced, and knew how bad
it was, the news still came as a shock and made me feel a terrible sense
of sadness and loss.
Frank's music has profoundly affected and influenced me, and I will
always be grateful to him for that.
This morning, whilst listening to and reflecting on some of my favourite
Zappa tracks, I found myself both saddened and uplifted, especially when
listening to the beautiful "Systems of Edges" from _Guitar_. I was
saddened because Frank had died with so much good music left inside him
yet to be recorded, and uplifted by the remarkable musical legacy he has
left behind him for all to enjoy. I think the musical world is indeed a
poorer place for his passing, yet all the better for him having lived.
He has certainly enriched my life.
I'll miss you Frank.
Cheers,
Paul.
-e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk
If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to.
"And if there are any Soviet troops in the audience, they can dance home
to this one."
--- Frank Zappa, _Adieu C.A. (Live)_ by Prazsky Vyber
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From: Christopher Seatory
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: Death of a genius
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Frank Zappa completely changed my attitude towards music, and some areas
of life. I will miss him greatly.
On a lighter note:
csillag@iem.ee.ethz.ch (Andre Csillaghy) writes:
> but he was only interested in two things. See if you can guess what
they were
... titties n beer?? ;-)
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All of my `heroes' have been imperfect.
Frank Zappa was far from flawless. He WAS a human being, after all.
And if anyone could clearly see the flaws in the human race, it was
Frank Zappa.
He's been permanently lodged somewhere in my private Hall of Heroes
since I was about 13 or 14 years old. I'm 40 now, and today I'm
feeling that painfully familiar dull sensation that I felt one grey
day in 1970, and again one awful dark night in 1980. I can't quite
feel the ground that I'm walking on. Everything seems to be moving
a little slower, and nothing seems to mean very much.
I saw him in concert on three different occasions, with three very
different bands. 1969, 1973, 1978. I was lucky to be there.
One thing that immediately comes to mind, when I try to shake out
of this cloud, is that people who were in any way moved by his work
should make some personal commitment to exert some effort, somewhere,
in some way, to perpetuate the ideals of truth, honesty, sincerity,
and freedom of expression that informed practically everything he
gave to the public (and probably a lot that he kept to himself). If
you believe in the pure, basic concepts addressed and defended by
the US Constitution & Bill of Rights, then you must know that there
have been few public figures so dedicated to the preservation of those
concepts as was Frank Zappa. You may criticize many things about him,
but you can't deny that facet of his work and his creative energies.
And of course, he carried those pursuits beyond national borders.
Remember that. And remember him for those qualities.
Don't revere him as a saint. Just imagine his reaction to that.
("Look here, brother, who you jivin' that Kozmik Debris?")
We were all lucky to be alive when he was here with us. And now he's
left us with this world. ("Ain't this boogie a mess?")
Oh no, I don't believe it.
You say you think you know
The meaning of love.
Do you really think it can be told?
-stuart@apollo.hp.com
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From: Richard K Fox
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: A fitting eulogy
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I would like to thank all of the posters today. It is comforting
to know that there are so many loyal and good fans of FZ. We are
all saddened, but seeing others express their sadness helps us all.
I can't think of a more fitting eulogy than the postings I have
been reading today.
FZ will live on in our memories and in his music forever. Thank
you Frank. I have only been a fan since 1988, but I am a big fan
and I am glad you came into my life.
In support of Zappa, I would like to suggest that we all send
condolences to his family (someone earlier posted an address)
or perhaps a single message with all of the names of those
of us who read alt.fan.frank-zappa.
I would also like to promote Bob Belas' idea of a day of silence
where we all refrain from posting to the newsgroup. Frank's
birthday seems a reasonable suggestion.
Thank you all.
Thank you Frank.
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: The passing of a genius...
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Hearing of Frank's death really blew out the whole day before it
started... One of the local radio stations started cranking out
"safe"
Zappa starting with "Peaches..." when they made the announcement
this
mourning. They plan to play some of his tunes for the remainder
day.
got
the
at 5:30
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I called and thanked them for doing so, but also pointed out to them that
I
thought it was rotten that they would FINALLY play Zappa's music purely
because he died over the weekend. Would not do it before - no way! But
FM
these days seem to define commercialism.
On a more reminiscent note, I put "Hot Rats" in the tape machine in the
computer room, and one of my co-workers came over with a smile on her
face to
tell me that her high school graduating class marched in to "Peaches."
It was
one of those, like 60's things to do at the time in Florida, ya know?
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In article <RCRUMP.93Dec5223803@beach.csulb.edu>, rcrump@csulb.edu (Randy
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Good-bye, Frank Zappa.
You know, this is the first time I've had the chance to read this
newsgroup,
and the first thing I find out is that Frank 'has left the planet'...
Another brilliant musician has passed on and we are somewhat less of a
'great
place to be' because of his absence. This reminds me of the night I was
on the
radio in Helena Montana and I read the news streaming across the wire
service
about John Lennon being shot. I kept all the stories as they came across
and
saved them. The hardest part was telling people on the radio about the
news.
I'm just glad I'm not on the air anymore.
I couldn't handle it.
Then again, if I was...
Can you say "Zappa: A-Z" the complete recordings from start to finish?
It'd be my tribute to this great man.
R. Warner / Program Assistant / KRUA-FM 88.1 The Edge! (at Univ. of AK,
ANCH.)
Former host of "You can't do that on radio, anymore..." on KWHL-FM
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From: Craig Shipley
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: Zappa gone...
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What a way to wake up, Zappa dead at 52. And on a Monday...
I took all my tapes out of my car and have nothing in there but Frank.
On the way in, I played my "tribute" to the man, beginning with the
original
version of "Watermelon In Easter Hay" and following on thru with "A
Little
Green Rosetta". One of the things that I always liked about Frank was
that his
humor helped me thru a lot of hard times, his "don't take it so
seriously, it's
only life..." attitude and "ALGR" did it for me this morning. The combo
of
these two songs seems strangely fitting...
Bye, Frank, I'll miss you. To Hell with all of your detractors!
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;-(
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Craig Shipley
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> an53106@anon.penet.fi writes:
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> Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
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I sure hope not! Though Frank is gone, his music lives on!
Hear hear. I found out a lot of things on this newsgroup that I wouldn't
know where else to look. It's a big body of work that FZ has left us. I
don't think I've got through a third of his music issued to date, and I
like
to read this group to know what's out - and what'll be coming out.
A sad day indeed.
-Michael Gushulak
New Westminster, B.C., Canada
Michael_Gushulak@mindlink.bc.can
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From: Daniel J Polanski-1
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: Goodbye...
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I'm overcome and words fail me. My few friends who enjoy Zappa have
called in sick for work today and will spend it listening to his music
and
thanking him for it.
Thank you, Frank, for everything...
Music is the BEST!
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Subject : FZ is dead.
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I heard it on the radio this morning. At the age of 52 years, Frank
Zappa died of cancer.
Everything seems so boring now.
Well, I guess his 52 years of insanity and craziness count for at
least as many as 5000 years of the kind of life the average ignoramus
of this world leads.
Christoph
-Christoph Koerner
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: adios
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Last Xmas my 10 yr old daughter asked for an FZ tape. I was/am very
proud. I just thanked the gods that it wasn't Wilson Philips or
whatever other little girls listen to. The night she was born
I held her and sang "Camarillo Brillo" and it apparently stuck.
There is hope for next generation.
Goodbye Frank thanks...
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: Why was FZ so special?
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Well folks, I'm really sad.
always comes to soon.
We all knew it was coming; but is
Why was FZ so special to me? Never mind the music (it certainly
is top-notch). It was his free thought. This man had a wit,
sarcasm, and powers of observation that were (and probably always
will be) second to none. That he was an unparalleled musical
talent made him all the more extrordinary.
Farewell, FZ.
We'll miss you.
Joe LaPenta
jl@whamt.att.com
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: Zappa is dead
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Frank Zappa lost his battle to cancer Saturday night, Dec.
4, 1993.
I found out this morning when I picked up the San Jose
Mercury News in my driveway and his picture was on
the front page.
The obituary was nice but never mentioned that he played
guitar.
On the way to work, local stations KFJC and KPFA were
playing Zappa pretty continuously. It was great to
switch stations and hear bits of the Yellow Shark,
Absolutely Free, and Lumpy Gravy.
Zappa's music is still the best.
Ken Walter
ken@claris.com
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In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>Any radio staion tributes out there..WBCN really sucks by ignoring his
>whole catalogue...
BCN did play a fair amount of Zappa this morning... too bad, though, that
people of Zappa's caliber have to die in order to get a handful of songs
on
the FM airwaves. Especially on a (self-proclaimed) more-progressivethan-thou
station, but that's another flame...
Andrew
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I heard Frank passed away at hte weekend, can anyone substantiate this?
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: Frank Zappa Remembered
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Frank's untimely death has dealt a serious blow to us all.
I'll miss his wit, humor, insite and, above all, his live
performances. Frank has inspired many and let us not forget him.
My fondest memory of Frank was during one of his Halloween
concerts in the late 70s at NYC's Palladium. The band featured
O'Hearn, Bozzio, someone named Vai :-), and a host of other
talented musicians. The band concluded one number and segued
to just Bozzio and O'Hearn who weaved a very driving rhythm.
Vai added with a simple chord progression. Now enter Frank:
he grabbed Hendrix's burnt Monteray (SP?) strat and walked to
the edge of the stage and layed down the most thrilling and
energized solo I've ever heard. Frank play for nearly 10 minutes
and the crowd went crazy. Never have I heard the phrasing and
sweet notes from a guitar then what Frank played that night.
It was significantly awesome!
Frank, you'll be missed by us all.
Patrick
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: you can't do that on stage anymore
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In article <2dvu3hINNbkr@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew
Rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
)>Any radio staion tributes out there..WBCN really sucks by ignoring his
)>whole catalogue...
)
)BCN did play a fair amount of Zappa this morning... too bad, though,
that
)people of Zappa's caliber have to die in order to get a handful of songs
on
)the FM airwaves. Especially on a (self-proclaimed) more-progressivethan-thou
)station, but that's another flame...
Yeah, BCN basically (heh heh) sucks these days. With the possible
exception
of the graveyard shift, when the playlist seems to open up a bit. But
I am told by longtime residents of the Boston area that BCN used to very
good...I guess the shift to tightly programmed classic rock occurred
sometime in the mid '80's.
My vote for the best daily program on *commercial* radio in the Boston
area
is the "unplugged" program on WBOS starting at 10pm (I think). A good
number of seldom-to-never-heard on radio tracks appear then...
dap
-David A. Pearlman
Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.
40 Allston St.
Cambridge, MA 02139-4211
job..."
email: dap@vpharm.com
"It's not just an adventure , it's a
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Subject : what a drag, man!
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jesus h. christ on a popsicle stick! i didn't think his illness was that
serious. i guess it's 'denial'. thanks to you all for being so open about
all this; i appreciate it... long live zappa!
nathan of the cave people
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: thank you Frank!!!!
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I found out about Frank's death last nite while driving home
from a local watering hole. My roomate was kinda surprised to
see me walk into the house with tears streaming down my face.
damn... I wasn't sure I was going to post anything to the net,
but after sitting here for the past 20 minutes reading all of
these posts I deceided to add my two cents.
Frank meant a lot to me ( as I stare at the Mona Lisa/Frank poster
above my terminal ). I honestly didn't like him at first. I had
a roomate in college that loved Frank and played him all the time.
One nite, we smoked way too much pot and as we killed the lites,
my roomate put on a tape of Roxy & ElseWhere. I remember being
absolutely blown away by the guitar solo in "Penguins & Bondage".
To this day, that album is my favorite Zappa album.
That first year of college was also my first year playing guitar.
After 10 years of playing, Zappa still remains one of my main
influences, from the Gibson SG, to a Stratocaster, and of course
that demented over-driven Cry-baby sound.
Like many other here, I've had my share of arguments with "serious"
musicians that scoff at Frank's music. I remember battling with
a music professor in class once about Frank, sigh...
God I hate ramblin' like this, but I didn't expect to be this upset.
Thank you Frank. Thank you for the music, the humour, and your
unique outlook on life. You live on in my heart & soul always!
/tony
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Mike Quigley wrote:
>I wrote:
> Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
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>I sure hope not! Though Frank is gone, his music lives on!
Well perhaps..but I was hoping to spare us the excrutiating sight of
innumerable postings telling us how sad it was that he died.
On the other hand..think of the band they're collecting "up there"...
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As most of you have probably heard by now, Frank Zappa has quietly
dreamed
his last imaginary guitar solo. I thought it might be a fitting tribute
for the members of this group to do two things:
o Compose a sympathy card for Frank's family with messages from
members of this group. I will volunteer to collect the
messages,
print them out, and send it to the appropriate place. Please
send
me email with your thoughts.
o Specify a time, when everyone that is able, will listen to the
same
FZ song, all over the world. I would suggest "Watermelon In
Easter Hay" on Joe's Garage, Act III. If you don't have that
album,
you can play something else.
I think Tuesday, December 21
(Frank's
birthday) would be a good day.
Getting a time that will
satisfy
everybody all over the world is tough, but I think 18:00 GMT is
a good compromise. How do you like this idea?
Goodbye, Frank!
You will be sorely missed!!!
-- Scott "Call Any Vegetable" Morrison
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From: Roy Walter
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: UPI obituary
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As published on AOL:
--------------------------------------------------------------Frank Zappa, a composer, arranger, musical and political satirist and
social
critic who released his "The Yellow Shark" album just last month, died
Saturday
at his Laurel Canyon home after battling prostate cancer for several
years. He
was 52.
During his musical career, Zappa was typecast as an eccentric crank who
wrote
funny, controversial songs with dirty lyrics. His songs conjured up a
fundamentalist's nightmare of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, but Zappa was
anything but depraved.
Zappa did not take drugs or drink alcohol and had campaigned against
drug-taking
since the 1960s. He also didn't permit his band members to take drugs on
the
road.
In fact, Zappa, who never drove despite living in Los Angeles, was an
astute
businessman. In recent years he had turned to international business,
forming a
licensing, consulting and social engineering firm investing in
U.S.-Soviet/Eastern Bloc joint ventures.
Zappa and his wife of more than 20 years, Gail, also ran their own record
label,
Barking Pumpkin, a mail-order company, a video company and a music
publishing
firm. The couple had four children.
A private funeral service was held Sunday.
Zappa began battling government, the record industry and music critics in
the
late 1960s, and in the 1980s took on anti-pornography campaigns and
fundamentalist preachers as well.
In 1966 he released his first album, "Freak Out." The groundbreaking
record by
Zappa's group, the Mothers of Invention, was a synthesis of modern
classical
music, jazz, vocal group rhythm and blues, '60s rock and the kind of
avant-garde
theatricality that has since come to be called performance art.
"Freak Out" and the albums that followed it, "Absolutely Free" and "We're
Only
in it for the Money," contained sociopolitical caricatures of American
lifestyles that amused many listeners bu created resentment among the
targets
of
Zappa's scorn, from drunken parents more concerned about their swimming
pools
than their kids to "phony hippies" who inspired Zappa to proclaim that
"flower
power sucks."
Zappa became so identified with satiric material that the ambitious music
that
followed was frequently identified as another joke. But "Lumpy Gravy,"
"Cruising
with Ruben and the Jets," "Uncle Meat," "Hot Rats," "Burnt Weeny
Sandwich" and
"Weasels Ripped My Flesh" proved Zappa had few musical peers.
The next incarnation of the Mothers of Invention, fronted by ex- Turtles
Mark
Volman and Howard Kaylan, was featured in the bizarre underground film
classic
"200 Motels" and on several albums, "Chunga's Revenge," "Fillmore East,
June
1971," "Just Another Band From L.A." and "Waka/Jawaka."
After releasing the dense instrumental arrangements for "The Grand
Wazoo,"
Zappa
unveiled yet another version of the Mothers that toured extensively in
the
mid-1970s and accounted for a series of his most popular albums: "OverNite
Sensation," "Apostrophe," "One Size Fits All," "Zoot Allures" and "Zappa
in New
York."
Zappa's next record, "Shiek Yerbouti," was one of his most controversial
albums.
His satiric imagination scaled Swiftian heights with the disco parody
"Dancing
Fool" and "Jewish Princess," a lampoon that drew public outrage from
Dinah
Shore
and B'nai B'rith.
Zappa closed out the 1970s with "Joe's Garage," a three-LP set with a
bitter,
tragic story line about a country where music is outlawed.
Zappa started out fresh in the 1980s, releasing some of his most
challenging
records and embarking on an ambitious plan to consolidate his overall
musical
output.
He coined the word "xenocrony," or strange synchronization, to describe
his
organizational principle of matching different parts of different
concerts to
create an entirely new musical statement.
Zappa used the "xenocrony" technique to remarkable effect on a series of
1981
instrumental albums, "Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar," "Shut Up 'N Play Yer
Guitar
Some More" and "The Return of the Son of Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar."
Like most
of his 1980s work, the records were released by his own Barking Pumpkin
record
label.
In addition to albums with his working group, Zappa finally got the
chance to
release his first classical recordings in the '80s, "London Symphony
Orchestra"
Volumes I and II and "Boulez Conducts Zappa, The Perfect Stranger."
In 1983 he sued his former record company, Warner Bros., to get ownership
of
the
master tapes of his records so he could reap the profits when the works
were
reissued on compact discs. He also claimed Warner Bros. had miscalculated
the
royalties due him.
Zappa said he lost his zeal for touring after a self-financed 1988 outing
with
a
12-piece band cost him $400,000.
"That sort of dampens one's enthusiasm for going out there and doing it
again,
"
he said.
Unlike many major rock acts, Zappa refused to accept corporate
sponsorship
because he did not want to promote products.
According to Billboard magazine, Zappa's three biggest singles were
novelty
songs - "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow," which reached No. 4 on the charts in
1974,
"Dancin' Fool," which hit No. 8 in 1979, and "Valley Girl," No. 12 in
1982.
"Valley Girl" featured his daughter, Moon Unit, using "Valleyspeak" terms
like
"gag me with a spoon" and "tubular."
Francis Vincent Zappa Jr., the oldest of four children in a GreekSicilian
household, was born Dec. 21, 1940, in Baltimore, Md. When he was 9 the
family
moved to California.
Zappa began playing in school bands in the early 1950s. By the time he
was in
Antelope Valley High School in Lancaster, Calif., he was playing guitar
in a
band called the Blackouts.
Zappa got into his share of trouble at school, but it gave him an outlet
to
pursue his artistic impulses. For one art project he erased the emulsion
from a
10-minute piece of film, then handpainted each frame individually.
At 16, the young nonconformist developed ulcers.
After graduating high school Zappa married his first wife, Kay, and
struggled
to
support himself writing soundtrack music for films and composing avantgarde
music that no one would perform. He took music theory courses at several
colleges before quitting formal education in disgust.
For a time, Zappa worked as an art director at a greeting card firm while
playing in cocktail lounge show bands at night.
In 1963 Zappa received royalties from
and
used the money to buy a good electric
studio,
Studio Z, in Cucamonga. He spent days
recordings
while playing bars at night in a band
a film score he wrote years earlier
guitar and open his own recording
experimenting with his own
called the Muthers.
Studio Z folded after Zappa made a 10-minute porno film for a used car
salesman
who turned out to be an undercover policeman. Zappa was arrested, served
10
days
in jail and was on probation for three years.
The stage was set for Zappa to take on everything he felt was phony and
corrupt
about American society. He moved to Los Angeles and formed the Mothers of
Invention, which became a kind of ad hoc house band for a growing society
of
post-beat, pre-hippie noncomformists who Zappa dubbed "United Mutations."
Zappa has sparred in public debate with Tipper Gore, wife of Vice
President
Albert Gore and co-chairman of the Parents Music Resource Center, a
lobbying
group intent on policing the lyric content of popular music by rating
records.
It was after the record industry complied with the PMRC's request for
ratings
on
rock records that Zappa started a one-man lobby to protect his free
expression.
"Once all that stuff started happening anybody stating the case at all. I
have
the right to state my side of the case as an independent guy."
In his statement to a congressional committee on rock lyrics chaired by
Gore,
Zappa claimed that the ratings system was a violation of his
constitutional
rights and that its focus on only rock records was a protectionist
strategy by
Gore to favor the country music made in his home state of Tennessee.
Zappa's image changed subtly as he grew older. His lampoons had often
been
accurate enough to outlive the subjects they skewered, and his seemingly
tireless ability to speak out eloquently in defense of artistic freedom
added
an
almost statesmanlike quality to his speech.
Zappa was sought out as a public speaker after his Senate testimony,
giving a
keynote addresstempting to retrieve contributions made by PTL members to
Jim
and
Tammy Bakker.
"Since 1985 I'm probably more famous for having Slade Gorton tell me I
didn't
know anything about the First Amendment than for any song I ever wrote.
It may
even come as a surprise to people that I play the guitar."
Zappa saw the Soviet Union as an especially ripe market and made numerous
business trips there in recent years. He took a commission for arranging
for
amber from the Soviet Union to be sent to a U.S. company for jewelry. He
even
ventured into journalism with "Frank Zappa's Wild Wild East," a series of
interviews he conducted during a trip to Eastern Europe and aired on
Financial
News Network.
"I don't have anything against making a profit," he told the Los Angeles
Times.
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: as500@yfn.ysu.edu
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I would like to volunteer to send an alt.fan.frank-zappa card to
Frank's family at the address given earlier today. I will be including a list of the names of any alt.fan.fz posters who may wish
to share these sentiments with me. If you want your name included
in the card, please send it to me at tullise@indy.navy.mil OR
as500@yfn.ysu.edu.
I'll collect names for about a week or so, maybe a week-and-a-half,
and I'll send the card out in order to get there in time for his
birthday.
Please send your name if you can. The more names, the more support
we send to the Zappa family. And I know that we all support them
in our hearts and in our thoughts.
Thanks for your help...
Eric
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: Re: So long Frank
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 17:52:01 G
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In article <16C9CA22A.JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (John
Chick)
writes:
>
>Thank you so much for your music and genius.
>With one such as you, it is not appropriate to
>say goodbye, because I will still be forever
>getting to know you through the music you have
>left us. Still, I am sad that you will no
>longer be with us to show the folly of our ways.
>
>Miles Davis (last year)
>Albert Collins (last week)
>Frank Zappa (last saturday)
>
>The mighty have fallen and can't get up.
>I thought you might like that one.
>
>R.I.P.
Don't forget Albert King (this spring), a true giant of American Music.
It
has been a sad year, in this respect.
Kevin
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reese@watson.ibm.com (Diane Reese) writes:
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A friend in Sweden wants to know if mail sent to the P.O. box mentioned
here will actually be read by anyone. And does anyone know if the
818-PUMPKIN line still works, and if so, what's on it today?
Has anyone considered compiling the sentiments from here to send to
California?
Diane Reese
reese@watson.ibm.com
I haven't been able to get through today... it's been constantly
busy... however I got through last night but it just kept ringing.
--Phineas Narco
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Rest in Peace
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Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 93 17:01:45
Org. : VMARK Software, Inc.
The legacy Frank has left in his music and the countless times he
made
me smile in his presence as well as on recordings will keep his memory
alive
in me forever! God bless you Frank! Now we'll see just how 'Dumb all
over'
we really are (or at least Frank will know!).
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From: Feith John
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: Zappa tribute
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 19:29:49 GMT
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I believe Frank Zappa should be respected as much as Shoenberg, Varese,
Stravinsky, Reich, not to mention Parker, Gillispe, Davis, Ellington,
Coltrane, and other modern "Western" music greats.
I'm not for classifications and ratings, but if it must be done, credit
should go to Zappa for creating some of the most innovative music of
our time.
His death will maybe get some "experts" to actually take a serios look
at his accomplishments. I already miss him.
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From: Mike Quigley#2
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: Re: UPI obituary (screwup in same)
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 20:14:30 GMT
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Our copy of the UPI obituary as received here at Mind Link, the BBS I
access
the Net thru, has a screwup near the end (also in the version which was
posted in this newsgroup). Did anyone get a correct posting? Here is the
screwed up part:
> Zappa was sought out as a public speaker after his Senate testimony,
giving
> a
> keynote addresstempting to retrieve contributions made by PTL members
to
> Jim
> and Tammy Bakker.
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: Re: Frank's Passing: CTV News Blunders!
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 19:48:00
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In article <33839@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike
Quigley)
writes:
|> Frank's passing made the 7 a.m. news on CTV (a Canadian national TV
network)
|> today, but they made a serious blunder -- they suggested that among
his
other
|> achievements, Frank was responsible for the expressions "Gag me with a
spoon"
|> and "Grody to the max"!
I guess this is our time's Mozart being tossed in a paupers mass grave.
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From: James Enloe
: gje1761@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
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: FZ's gone...
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Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 1993 12:50:1
Org.
: Montana State University
I was rather suprised to see that I had 138 unread messages in this group
when
I logged on ten minutes ago, now, sadly, I know why.
I only discovered Frank 3 years ago, when our Percussion Ensemble did The
Black
Page and The Plack Page #2 at a concert. Since that time I first heard
any of
his music, I have grown to respect him as one of the greatest and most
varied
musicians of this time. It is truly sad how the greatest of people always
seem
to be taken from us so soon.
I wish I could think of more to say...I know that although he is
gone,
he will still remain alive in all of us that cared for him so much,
through his
music.
Good bye, Frank.
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James
Enloe....................................gje1761@Msu.montana.edu.....
"Without Music, Life Would Be A Mistake."
-F. Nietzsche
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From: Don Malzahn
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: Not real good news, Franks passing
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 08:56:00
Org.
: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL 60067
Hope this is not one of many messages on the subject, but I just heard on
the
radio that Frank passed away last night, not much other news than that.
Kinda sad when the news last week announced a possible means of locating
colon cancer (I know, he had Prostate Cancer, and colon cancer is better
treated before it gets a foothold, but even so,,,,)
=B^(
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.201505.18261@sinkhole.unf.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:15:05
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: Univ. of North Florida
Bob Belas (belas@mbimail.umd.edu) wrote:
: Hi All,
:
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest.
I
: was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
: to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
: thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
: that one day. Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment. Any
other
ideas?
I can dig this idea.
Let's do it!
Jason
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: Re: This group
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:17:09
Org.
: Univ. of North Florida
an53106@anon.penet.fi wrote:
: Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
Not no, but Hell No!!!
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From: Bruce Clement
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: Frank Zappa 1940-1993 - Oh No! I don't believe it
Msg-ID: <755173148frey.postmast@alfheim.actrix.gen.nz>
Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 93 22:19:08
Org. : Private System
20 years ago I was 15 when I heard a track from a strange "underground"
musician. I loved it. I went down to my favourite record store, and
bought
all of his records that I could find. (All three of them - Auckland in
the
mid 70s was not a good place to find anything that wasn't top 40).
That was my introduction to FZ. Over the years I've bought most of
Frank's
records. Frank always had something to say, usually in music, sometimes
in comentary, sometimes just in humour. Frank was never a plastic person,
and I never wondered what he was doing here.
Some of his work which I couldn't understand as a teenager, I now
understand and more importantly appeciate. Some of his work which I loved
as a teenager, I no longer like as much, but on balance, if I play a CD,
it
is usually one of his.
Tonight I heard on TV that he had died. I feel this great sense of
sorrow.
Frank - I will miss you, your composition, your humour, your guitar
playing;
but mostly, Frank, I will miss you.
Requim In Pacit
-Bruce Clement
(frey@alfheim.actrix.gen.nz)
... and in your dreams you can see yourself a a prophet - saving the
world
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From: Andrew W. White
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:27:09
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too many people i know have died of cancer. i hate to add Frank Zappa
to the list. we will miss you Frank. thanks for teaching me a little
something about music. a true indivual is hard to find. good bye..
andy
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: Re: FZ. Gonna miss him.
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 20:29:47 GMT
Org.
: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
In article <ROB.93Dec6092619@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu>,
Rob Chauncey <rob@cs.oberlin.edu> wrote:
>I found out this morning on radio news. I feel terrible.
Me too.
Me too.
JOHN
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From: John Michael Martz
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: Re: This group
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 20:31:46 GMT
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In article <143303Z06121993@anon.penet.fi>, <an53106@anon.penet.fi>
wrote:
>Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
No.
I will still read it.
JOHN
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: There's now way to delay...
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.203519.19401@novell.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:35:19
Org.
: Novell, Inc.
That trouble comin' every day.
<Sigh>
-David A. Borton, Novell Inc.
email: dborton@novell.com
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From: Malinda McCall
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: Bad news?
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 17:27:22 GMT
Org.
: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
What with all the "Did he die" posts in the past, I hate to add to
their number, but a huge FZ fan just alerted me that "something
bad" just happened and was too choked up to clarify. Please say it
ain't so.
*I* would have voted for him!
MAlinda
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From: Bradley S. Corsello
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 20:58:26 GMT
Org.
: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
In a previous article, belas@mbimail.umd.edu (Bob Belas) says:
>Hi All,
>
>
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest. I
>was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
>to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
>thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
>that one day. Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment. Any other
ideas?
>
Well, I'm going to play every Zappa CD I have in chronological order,
then
make a donation to the American Cancer Society in his name.
Sorry for taking up bandwidth with the following "where were you when you
heard about..." tale, but I just have to.
I woke up this morning humming "A Little Green Rosetta", for some reason.
Groggily, my mind turned to the phrase "Utility Muffin Research Kitchen".
I reflected that for Zappa, the sounds of the words are more important
than
their meaning. My mind drifted over to the "Mudd Club". I wondered if
that was a real nightclub, and figured that it probably was. As I am
starting a job in NYC next year, I thought I would pinpoint its location.
I
got up, turned on a light, and turned on my stereo to hear the news on
Public Radio, as is my habit. I got out my CD of "You Are What You Is"
and
verified that the Mudd Club was on White Street, y'all. I went over to
my
bookshelf to pull out my map of NYC. As I reached for it, I heard,
"Frank
Zappa is dead." Oh, my God. I knew it was going to happen any day, but
it
was still a blow.
We'll all miss you, Frank.
-Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) - 3L Case Western Reserve U. Law School
"Sir, the law is as I say it is, and so it has been laid down ever since
the law began, . . . and so held and used for good reason, though we
cannot
at present remember that reason." Y.B. 36 Hen. 6 fo. 24, 25b-26 (1458).
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From: JOE SIX-PACK
: joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
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: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 20:55:53 G
Org.
: Yes.
THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
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From: Uncle Meat
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: This newsgroup
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:59:44
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: Univ. of North Florida
Methinks this group will get considerably more busy now that our favorite
composer/satirist is gone. Methinks this has already happened. Yippee!
Jason
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From: pmorris@kean.ucs.mun.ca
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: Zappa will be fondly remembered
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.155752.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 19:27:52
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: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
You will be remembered fondly, Frank. We'll hoist a few Old Stock in
your honour. RIP.
Stig (in Newfoundland)
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From: Steve Elias
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: rest in peace, Frank
Msg-ID: <ELI.93Dec6100639@glare.cisco.com>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 10:06:39
Org.
: cisco Systems
please don't let the lesson of this avoidable tragedy be lost on you,
fellow zappa fans. if you're male and above 30, get your prostate
checked once a year by an MD.
/eli
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From: Bradley S. Corsello
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: Re: The passing of a genius...
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 21:05:34 GMT
Org.
: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
In a previous article, Triplett.Phil@epamail.epa.gov (Philip C. Triplett)
says:
>Hearing of Frank's death really blew out the whole day before it
>started... One of the local radio stations started cranking out
"safe"
>Zappa starting with "Peaches..." when they made the announcement
this
>mourning. They plan to play some of his tunes for the remainder
day.
got
the
at 5:30
of the
Same thing in Cleveland, OH. My car radio blared "Cozmik Debris" for the
first time ever. "He finally got on the radio," I thought...
-Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) - 3L Case Western Reserve U. Law School
"Sir, the law is as I say it is, and so it has been laid down ever since
the law began, . . . and so held and used for good reason, though we
cannot
at present remember that reason." Y.B. 36 Hen. 6 fo. 24, 25b-26 (1458).
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From: Shannon Lawson
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: Frank's gone...
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.202342.11319@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:23:42
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but not forgotten!
I saw him in '85 at the end of the "Them Or Us" tour.
I named my workstation after him (back in March).
Frank's uncompromising approach to life serves as an
inspiration to us all. I didn't always agree with him,
but I always respected his straightforward, no-nonsense
attitude, which was well-balanced against his "don't
take life so seriously" side.
Frank, I missed you before you were gone, because I
knew you weren't going to be with us much longer. I'll
keep playing your music as long as the Central Scrutinizer
doesn't get to me first!
R.I.P.
Shannon Lawson
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
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From: Bradley E Rintoul
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 22:03:35 GMT
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Hey, aren't you the guy that did the same kind of thing about
the beloved River Phoenix on talk.bizarre? Boy, you've gone
too far this time! You have really irked me and now I have *got*
to respond! I'm pissed! You go rot in hell you bastard! Ooooo
you make me mad! Gosh, people like you should just suffer horribly!
Seriously, though, I bet this time your gonna get all kinds of
idiots like me to respond and waste a bunch of bandwidth. Good
job. Anarchy for the U.S.A. dude! Frank would've liked it this way.
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From: guy byars
: feguy@sgife16.sdrc.com
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
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Posted: 6 Dec 93 20:15:38 GMT
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: SDRC
In article <2dvv7t$76k@portal.vpharm.com>, dap@portal.vpharm.com (David
A.
Pearlman) writes:
|> In article <2dvu3hINNbkr@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com
(Andrew
Rogers) writes:
|> >In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu>
ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
|> )>Any radio staion tributes out there..WBCN really sucks by ignoring
his
|> )>whole catalogue...
|> )
|> )BCN did play a fair amount of Zappa this morning... too bad, though,
that
|> )people of Zappa's caliber have to die in order to get a handful of
songs on
|> )the FM airwaves. Especially on a (self-proclaimed)
more-progressive-than-thou
|> )station, but that's another flame...
|>
|> Yeah, BCN basically (heh heh) sucks these days. With the possible
exception
|> of the graveyard shift, when the playlist seems to open up a bit. But
|> I am told by longtime residents of the Boston area that BCN used to
very
|> good...I guess the shift to tightly programmed classic rock occurred
|> sometime in the mid '80's.
|>
|> My vote for the best daily program on *commercial* radio in the Boston
area
|> is the "unplugged" program on WBOS starting at 10pm (I think). A good
|> number of seldom-to-never-heard on radio tracks appear then...
WAIF in Cincinnati (an alternative station) became my favorite station
when, at
3:00pm on a weekday, I tuned in and heard them play "Wet T-shirt nite".
Given
that Cinc. is Sooo conserative, it made the listening all the more
enjoyable.
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From: Catherine M Leonard
: cate@brahms.udel.edu
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: Frank Finds Peace
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 21:05:04
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: University of Delaware
I read the sad news here first this morning. Thanks to all for sharing
the
information. I was glad to see it here among friends rather than on some
crappy cable news network. FZ Music Is The Best!
I hereby dedicate tonight's performance of 20th century percussion music
to Frank. I will have a black arm band on one of my PVC pipes.
Damn. There's tears on my keyboard.
Glenn
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From: Greg Dunn
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: Re: A fitting eulogy
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I'll cast my vote for the proposed "day of silence".
seems appropriate.
Frank's birthday
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I just heard about Frank Zappa's death today, and I wanted to add my
voice
to those who will miss him. He changed the way I hear music.
:^-(
ribbit
"...and everything under the sun is in tune,
/^\_/^\ /
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."
/ O
O \
-Pink Floyd
\ ----- /
"Eclipse"
^^^^^^^
Email 4 PGP key
Cabal?! We don't need no stinkin Cabal!
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From: Philip Riley
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
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In article <2dvu3hINNbkr@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew
Rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>>Any radio staion tributes out there..WBCN really sucks by ignoring his
>>whole catalogue...
>
>BCN did play a fair amount of Zappa this morning... too bad, though,
that
>people of Zappa's caliber have to die in order to get a handful of songs
on
>the FM airwaves. Especially on a (self-proclaimed) more-progressivethan-thou
>station, but that's another flame...
I've been away from Boston from three years now, and though BCN had
already
slid a long way when I left in '90, everytime I visit now I can hear that
it's decayed even worse since the last time I was there. And now that
BCN
owns ZLX... Boston radio, once very good, has become almost as bad as
Chicago radio...
-phil
-Phil Riley
<priley@midway.uchicago.edu>
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From: MADIGAN KEVIN M
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: Frank has just left the building
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 93 19:49:37 G
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Hello.
I was up late last night and was channel surfin' the tube, when I saw
the face of Frank. I watched the little piece, hoping it wouldn't end as
I knew it would, with the dreaded words "Frank Zappa WAS 52." I have
been very sad all day. I knew this day was coming, but it came too soon.
The strange thing is, he died Saturday, and it was on Saturday that I
was seriously wondering how soon he would die. Saturday night, while
sleeping, I dreamt that a close family member had died. Wierd, huh?
I still get very sad thinking of John Lennon and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Frank's death will take me a long time to accept. I am sending the family
a sympathy card. He was truly a giant of this century, and he had a
profound
influence upon my life. It was listening to Frank that got me into Jazz.
The combined influence of FZ and punk rock (particularly the Dead
Kennedys)
pushed me further to the far left politically.
Michele and I played nothing but FZ during the dinner portion of our
wedding reception.
He will be missed.
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From: C. Gordon Keeble (gord
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Arggh! FZ's gone. I'm still in shock. My *mother* (she's 70, and even
*she* likes some of his pieces) called me up at 8am to tell me of
Frank's death. I guess we all knew it was coming probably sooner than
later, but still.. this really hurts. FZ's music is so profoundly
different from anything else, it completely changed the way I hear
music. Uncle Meat was playing the first time I had sex. I need a
burnt weeny sandwich.
I think I'll be going through my whole
collection this week.
Bye Frank, and thanks for all the INCREDIBLE music. I know I'll never
be the same. We love ya.
--C. Gordon Keeble (gordo) in pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance...
ck7263@rachel.albany.edu
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From: Bill Horne
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: A sad day.
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It was very sad for me to hear that Frank passed away.
thoughts and memories to note this sad event....
Just a few
I first heard Frank around 1982 or so when somebody played me a copy
of One Size Fits All. I was immediately hooked. I remember thinking,
"This is perfect music." I was a huge guitar fan at the time, and I
was really impressed with Frank's soloing ability. Ruth really blew
me away at the time too. But more than anything else, it was the
composition. I think Zappa was the first "composer" I was ever really
hooked on.
In college I met a good friend, Bill Naylor, who introduced me to much
of Frank's music. I started collecting as many recordings as I could
during this period, building my collection to more than 80 peices of
Frank's work. I listened to Frank constantly. There was always
something new for me to hear: some little guitar line, some lyric I
had never payed any attention to.
I was lucky enought to see Zappa four times on his east coast tour in
1986: Twice at "The Pier" in New York, where Does Humor Belong in
Music was filmed, and twice at the Garden State Arts Center. I
remember just being blown away by Frank's guitar playing and the
tightness of his band.
I moved to Albuquerque in 1986. Shortly afterwards I met Linus Carver
Dave Guitierrez, and Dave Schafer, three huge Zappa fans. We
enventually formed a band called "Brutal Zen Milk", later to become
"Filthy Habits", in which we played about 50% Zappa cover tunes. Our
jams usually involved some version of King Kong that would last for at
least 30 minutes. That was great! What a blast. I will always
remember those days.
I suppose in 1990 or so I got too busy with school, too burnt out on
listening to Frank all the time, too involved with other things. I
stopped listening to much of anything, but especially to Frank. I did
try to keep in touch by reading this news group, or picking up an
occasional new CD rerelease. Still, One Size Fits All, The Grand
Wazoo, Hot Rats, and Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar are the most
frequently played albums on my stereo, but they just don't get played
as much as they used to.
Let's keep this in mind: Unlike many of the great musicians who left
this world too early, and for whom we only have a handful of
recordings, Frank left a legacy of music for us to listen to. He was
one of the most prolific musicians I have ever encountered. As much
as I listened to his music, I never really was able to totally
understand what he was really all about. There is an aweful lot of
stuff sitting in my tape drawers, on album and CD that I have never
fully absorbed, and probably never will be able to. Even One Size
Fits All, which I must have listened to 1000 times has things on it
that I have not yet discovered.
Music was a major part of my life.
Zappa was a major part of my music.
I will miss him a lot.
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From: Erlend Dyrnes
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
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In <2e06di$p61@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S.
Corsello)
writes:
>In a previous article, belas@mbimail.umd.edu (Bob Belas) says:
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>>Hi All,
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>>
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
>rest. I
>>was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
>>to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
>>thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
>>that one day. Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment. Any
other
ideas?
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>
>Well, I'm going to play every Zappa CD I have in chronological order,
then
>make a donation to the American Cancer Society in his name.
I think Frank would have liked to see people all over the world gathering
the 21st of December to pay their tribute to the late genius.
I will invite my friends over on that day to listen and remember.
Why don't you do the same ?
Thank you, Frank. You really made a difference to me!
erlend
-Erlend Dyrnes, Senior Systems Consultant, MBS Fjerndata AS
email: erlend.dyrnes@mbs.no, zappa@bbb.no
- I play old jazz on my clarinet, drink beer, and generally have a good
time
- No I don't like BAYWATCH, don't use WordPerfect, and don't wear highheels
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From: Markus Ringner
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: Sad!
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Since commercial radio is only developing here he was played on radio
here even when he was alive. There was even a pianist doing Ruth is
sleeping acceptably last week. But I have to admit the frequency with
which they are played has increased. He finally made it to my TV set
but I don't think a 90 second summary is a worthy epitaph, even though
they used for a live extract from the Black Page and not for Bobby Brown.
Markus
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From: Markus Ringner
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Since commercial radio is only developing here he was played on radio
here even when he was alive. There was even a pianist doing Ruth is
sleeping acceptably last week. But I have to admit the frequency with
which they are played has increased. He finally made it to my TV set
but I don't think a 90 second summary is a worthy epitaph, even though
they used it for a live extract from the Black Page and not for Bobby
Brown.
Sorry I forgot the it in the last line last time. Hope in makes
better sense this time
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FZ tribute
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I am also deeply saddened by the news of FZ's death. The first piece of
recorded material I ever bought was Apostrophe(') back when I was 11
years
old in 1979.
I am a classical music programmer at WORT here in Madison, WI, USA
(community radio) and have decided that I will do a tribute to Frank on
next week's show, using material from his few classical releases. It'll
be
from sometime during 5AM-8AM Monday (12/13) morning if anyone in the area
reads this.
I'll miss ya you crazy shit. May the music never stop. Tengo Na Minchia
Tanta.
Leigh "Music _really_is_ the best" Orf
-If you are a classical artist in the Madison, Wisconsin area and are
interested in being on the air, contact me!
Leigh Orf:::orf@ssec.wisc.edu:::(608)265-2324[work]:::(608)256-1708[home]
Gradual student of Atmospheric Science & early morning DJ on WORT 89.9 FM
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From: Christopher A Pellegri
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: Re: Frank Zappa Remembered
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In article <CHMLoF.7GA@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, pgm@jolt.att.com (Patrick G.
Maggiulli) writes:
|>
|> Frank's untimely death has dealt a serious blow to us all.
|> I'll miss his wit, humor, insite and, above all, his live
|> performances. Frank has inspired many and let us not forget him.
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My fondest memory of Frank was during one of his Halloween
concerts in the late 70s at NYC's Palladium. The band featured
O'Hearn, Bozzio, someone named Vai :-), and a host of other
talented musicians. The band concluded one number and segued
to just Bozzio and O'Hearn who weaved a very driving rhythm.
Vai added with a simple chord progression. Now enter Frank:
he grabbed Hendrix's burnt Monteray (SP?) strat and walked to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> the edge of the stage and layed down the most thrilling and
|> energized solo I've ever heard. Frank play for nearly 10 minutes
|> and the crowd went crazy. Never have I heard the phrasing and
|> sweet notes from a guitar then what Frank played that night.
|> It was significantly awesome!
|>
|>
|> Frank, you'll be missed by us all.
|>
|>
|> Patrick
|>
|>
|> +------------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------+
|> | Patrick G. Maggiulli
| att!probe!pgm
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Not to get off of a more important subject, but just to clarify a musical
fact...
Hendrix threw pieces of his guitar out to the crowd after he burned and
then
smashed it at Monterey. I think what was left may have been built back
up the
body was painted a very colorful paisely scheme by Jimi himself - but I'm
not
sure.
I can't believe there hasn't been much news updating FZ's condition
before his
passing...
the surprise hits harder than anything...
I can't say anything more than anyone else has already... I just wish the
best
didn't have to depart so soon... They always seem like they're just
gettin'
started.
He had more logic and common sense than any other human being would even
know
what to do with.
See ya Frank...
Damn.
-Chris Pellegrino
'He used to be a nice boy.
- Now I'm in college
He used to cut the grass...'
-Lucifer
msport@iastate.edu
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Call any vegtable....
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: Re: UPI obituary
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In article <2e00p3$51d@panix.com> rwalter@panix.com (Roy Walter) writes:
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>As published on AOL:
>-------------------------------------------------------------->
Francis Vincent Zappa Jr., the oldest of four children in a GreekSicilian
>household, was born Dec. 21, 1940, in Baltimore, Md. When he was 9 the
family
>moved to California.
This is not correct. His real name is Frank Vincent Zappa. Not Francis.
Not Jr. Even Frank thought his first name was Francis (like his Dad's)
for
a long time, but he eventually found that his name was really Frank. See
"The Real Frank Zappa Book" for the reference.
>Studio Z folded after Zappa made a 10-minute porno film for a used car
salesman
>who turned out to be an undercover policeman. Zappa was arrested, served
10
days
>in jail and was on probation for three years.
It was *not* a film. It was an audio tape, and he mostly did it as a
joke.
He and a lady friend made noises for the tape. They thought it was
funny,
and they were going to get paid for just making noises. That's it.
Again, see
"The Real Frank Zappa Book."
>"Once all that stuff started happening anybody stating the case at all.
I have
>the right to state my side of the case as an independent guy."
Something seems to be missing from this quote.
again.
>Transmitted:
Read the first sentence
93-12-06 07:31:00 EST
He'll be misunderstood and misquoted for some time to come, it seems...
Shannon Lawson
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
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I heard the news early this morning, and skipped my workout
so that I could hear KCRW's tribute. I expected that the
full three hours of the morning show would be devoted to his
work; it would take that much to sample the various styles
of music he wrote. Besides, they devoted an hour to River
Phoenix followed by an hour to Federico Fellini several
weeks ago. Frank's music surely deserved the entire morning
show in his home town.
Well, the ever-so-kool folks at "public radio for more of
Sourthern California" played three of his tunes, and moved
on to standard morning fare.
They gave us an additional two
tunes in the final hour. What really pisses me off is that
they devoted as much time to their self-promoting commercials,
begging people to buy things to benefit "non-commercial"
public radio. I can't believe how they short-changed such a
diverse and prolific musician.
Fortunately, I have my trusty discman and a tall stack of his
cd's for consolation, and this newsgroup to share my grief.
Thanks for all of your posts; I work with too many people who
don't understand.
----------------------I just re-read the above message, and realized how angry I am.
Does anyone know where anger ranks in the stages of grief?
--Gary
>In a previous article, Triplett.Phil@epamail.epa.gov (Philip C.
Triplett)
says:
>
>>Hearing of Frank's death really blew out the whole day before it
>>started... One of the local radio stations started cranking out
"safe"
>>Zappa starting with "Peaches..." when they made the announcement
5:30 this
>>mourning. They plan to play some of his tunes for the remainder
day.
>
>Same thing in Cleveland, OH. My car radio blared "Cozmik Debris"
the
>first time ever. "He finally got on the radio," I thought...
>
>--
got
the
at
of the
for
>Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) - 3L Case Western Reserve U. Law School
>"Sir, the law is as I say it is, and so it has been laid down ever since
>the law began, . . . and so held and used for good reason, though we
cannot
>at present remember that reason." Y.B. 36 Hen. 6 fo. 24, 25b-26 (1458).
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From: Bryce Harrington
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Looks like someone forgot to log out.
:-)
Please do not respond to the post no matter how much it bugs you.
Best thing to do is ignore him.
Bryce
P.S. I've set the followup to alt.flame only minimize bandwidth waste.
We don't want to hear about it here on alt.music.enya.
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I heard the news this morning, and two phrases have stuck in my head all
day:
"I am the heaven,
I am the waters.."
and
"Ride my face to Chicago..."
A kick in the ass, a poke in the ribs, a mirror for the ridiculous, one
helluva guitar player, innovative composer, a shrewd commentator, he was
all of
these things. We have much to be grateful for, and enough to last as
long as we are around.
Bummer day.
Dan
dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
Applied History
Carnegie Mellon University
"Stupidity has a certain charm -ignorance does not."
Frank Zappa
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From: Todd Brown
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: Frank! Don't!
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Frank! I told you not to eat the yellow snow!
The freak of freaks has passed.
Todd Brown
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Can we all just ignore this posting, please?
It's a forgery.
Thanks,
Mark
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: Re: A fitting eulogy
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In article <1993Dec6.220344.13979@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
gdunn@nyx.cs.du.edu
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> I'll cast my vote for the proposed "day of silence".
> seems appropriate.
Frank's birthday
I concur.
--Carl
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joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK) writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
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>
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Ummm, Frank Zappa never used drugs. It was his policy to not allow his
group
to use drugs on tour with him either. Also, he was definitely someone
who
stood for what he believed in.
________________________________________________________________________
|Jason "The Bosk" Boskey
| "Never kiss by the garden gate"|
|E-Mail: Bosk@uiuc.edu
| "Love is blind
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From: David Dixon
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Almost true. He did try reefer a few times, but he said that it only
made him sleepy. (Source: "The Real Frank Zappa Book")
D^2
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: mns1@.asictest.sc.ti.com
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <CHMv1v.JrF@csc.ti.com>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 21:44:19
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In article xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu, joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK)
writes:
[edited for language]
>
>
>
>
THAT F*CKIN RAT BASTARD
PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A F*CKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT F*CKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
Frank Zappa was a musical genius with a rather twisted sense of humor.
He
was NOT a drug user, and had been known to disassociate himself with
musicians
who had drug problems.
--Mark Shaw
mns1@dalsol.rtc.sc.ti.com
"Giving money and power to government is like giving
whisky and car keys to teenage boys" - PJ O'Rourke
(my opinions, not Texas Instruments')
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From: daniel bauman
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: Thank you Frank
Msg-ID: <2e0fdd$i6n@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 1993 23:31:57 GMT
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Like everyone else the news this morning was very sad. As I sit here
listening to One Size Fits All, I can not measure the pleasure his music
his music has given me. Thanks Frank.
A friend of mine called me yesterday afternoon to tell me that he heard
from a guy who did some work on the drum set for Z that Frank was not
doing well and was not going to make it two more weeks. Kind of ironic.
For some time I have thought about thanking the readers of this group for
the quality of this newsgroup. It is nice to read inteligent postings
for
a change. Thank you all!
So long Frank and thanks for all the music, esp. "Sofa #1 & 2"
Daniel Bauman
CSU Fullerton
History
xdbauman@fullerton.edu
-The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: Barbara Abernathy
: baberna@scheme.cse.psu.edu
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: 79 words 517 bytes
: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <CHMzwC.2oB@cse.psu.edu>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:28:59
In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> not-for-mail writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
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JOE SIX-PACK, USA
First Escobar, now Zappa, what is this world coming to ;-)
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From: Jacob Huebert
: aa363@yfn.ysu.edu
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: ...
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Posted: 6 Dec 1993 23:50:49 GMT
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Hearing all the news of Frank Zappa's death has brought him to my
attention,
and he sounds rather interesting. I'd like to start getting his albums
but, in your opinions, which one should I start with?
Thanks.
-"Yes sir! There's nothing a man hates more than
Huebert
having his lower life forms sit on his nonliving
aa363@yfn.ysu.edu
possesions!" - George Liquor, American
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Jacob
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From: Boucher David
: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca
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: Re: UPI obituary
Msg-ID: <CHn0qC.8o1@uwindsor.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:47:00
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In article <2e00p3$51d@panix.com> rwalter@panix.com (Roy Walter) writes:
#
#As published on AOL:
#--------------------------------------------------------------[deletia]
#Studio Z folded after Zappa made a 10-minute porno film for a used car
salesman
#who turned out to be an undercover policeman. Zappa was arrested, served
10
days
#in jail and was on probation for three years.
They got one thing wrong: it was a pornographic *audio tape*, not a film.
20 minutes of a man and a woman bouncing up and down on bedsprings and
talking
dirty, reduced to 10 minutes after they edited out the laughs.
[rest deleted]
- db
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From: jlboll@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
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: Frank is dead
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.171638.56150@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Posted: 6 Dec 93 17:16:35 CDT
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: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
Saturday dec. 4 1993 will for always be remembered as a day of
unbelieveable sorrow among the readers of newsgroup 213, and everybody
else who used to be fans of one of the greatest musical personalities in
America.
According to the Kansas City Star dec. 6, Frank Zappa, aka THE GOD and
THE KING, died late saturday night in his home in California.
Since it won't make a difference anyway, I will just stop writing here
and leave the word to the master himself, by citing a few words of
eternal wisdom that will help us through the hard times to follow:
Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not truth
Truth is not wisdom
Wisdom is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music,
music is the best
FZ, Joe's Garage, 1979
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From: Boucher David
: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 103 words 761 bytes
: I'm really going to miss him....
Msg-ID: <CHn04H.8G5@uwindsor.ca>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:33:52
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: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada
I heard that Frank had died this morning on a *country* music station -the local rock station never had a word about it.
I loved his music -- to borrow a quote from Matt Groening, Frank was my
Elvis. I was really hoping against all logic that he would beat the
cancer. Now I just feel very, very sad, and wish I could be more
eloquent
in expressing it.
- db
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: craig@clark.net
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: Umm
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 00:13:26 GMT
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From: Mark Loop
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: 172 words 1232 bytes
: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <CHn1pq.F05@nit.pactel.com>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 00:13:13
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joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK) writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
>
>
>
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
I don't think you have a *clue* as to what you're talking about. Frank
Zappa did *not* take drugs, or even drink, for that matter. I cannot
think of any songs promoting drug use and only "Titties & Beer" come
to mind with any real reference to alcohol.
I sure hope that your lifestyle is as perfect as you expect everyone
else's to be. What'e with the six-pack reference? Don't you know that
drinking beer contributes to colon cancer? Get real.
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From: Mary Jo (Keegan) Place
: mjplace@MtHolyoke.edu
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: HAHAHAHAHAHA JOE SIX-PACK IS A MORON!!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <2e0iec$ocd@slab.mtholyoke.edu>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 00:23:40 GMT
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: Mount Holyoke College
I was feeling kinda down today, reading all the goodbye Frank posts, and
I've got to admit Joe Six-Pack's imbecilic frothing at the mouth really
cheered me up. I even laughed out loud.
Thanks, Joe, for personifying exactly the sort of blithering idiocy ol'
Frank worked so hard to expose, oppose and depose....
I think I'll fly to Beverly Hills, just before dawn
And knock the little jockeys off the rich people's lawns
And before they get up, I'll be gone, I'll be gone....
Sigh.
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Mary Jo Place
| "This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.
Mount Holyoke College
| Explain again how sheep's bladders may be
mjplace@mhc.mtholyoke.edu | employed to prevent earthquakes."
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From: ssthapit@vax.clarku.edu
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: 44 words 615 bytes
: frank ?
Msg-ID: <7DEC93.00182093@vax.clarku.edu>
Posted: 7 DEC 93 00:18:20 GMT
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: Clark University
ZAPPA!!
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Chints.
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From: Dick van Soest
: vansoest@gemeentepils.cs.utwente.nl
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Zappa's death announced on MTV
Msg-ID: <VANSOEST.93Dec6172521@gemeentepils.cs.utwente.nl>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 16:25:21
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: Twente University, Dept. of Computer Science
I hope this is a false alarm, but I've just seen the announcement of
Zappa's death both on MTV and on the German news. MTV had a 10-minute
tribute to Zappa, including a part of an interview in which he says
that he dislikes MTV's monopoly on pop music on TV.
Funny, I just had the feeling that I HAD to switch on the television,
and there it was.
I'll miss Frank Zappa. When I wrote my PhD thesis and I worked in my
study, the only music I listened to was Zappa's...
-Dick van Soest
Department of Computer Science
University of Twente
|
Tel: +31 53 893690
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From: Reinoud Bosman
: reinoud@bio.vu.nl
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Zappa's dead
Msg-ID: <reinoud-061293171625@mac171.bio.vu.nl>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 16:16:25
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: Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
Yes people, HE is DEAD!
AND NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT IT HERE ??????????????
What's the matter, why doesn't anybody say something about it? Was this
area not for the REAL zappamaniacs?
Well, I have something to say and that is that I'm shocked.
Shocked not because he is dead (we've seen it coming, didn't we?) , but
because it suddenly dawned upon me that he won't write NEW songs.
I'm a beginner considering FZ, I have only six albums, so I don't have to
worry about lack of new material, but I don't like the idea that he won't
be there anymore to spread a little awareness about the BOBBY BROWNS and
the JIM SWAGGARTS of this world (Sheik Yerbouti & Best band you never
heard
in your life for those that don't know these songs (dig 'em!))
Well that's something I had to get of my chest; and people:
DO NOT FALL ASLEEP!!!
thanx for reading this (to hell if you're interested or not),
goodnight.
Reinoud@bio.vu.nl
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From: Johan Nobel
: johan@and.nl
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: 35 words 355 bytes
: Zappa dead ?
Msg-ID: <CHMCxu.Ivn@and.nl>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:13:06
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: AND Software B.V., Rotterdam
Hi there,
Here in the Netherlands they said on the radio that Zappa
is dead. Can anyone say whether that is true ?
Would be a pity.
--------------------------------------------------------johan
johan@and.nl
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From: Jeroen Van Gennip
: jeroen_van_gennip@gdsnl.gds.nl
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Frank Zappa died
Msg-ID: <2d0404be@gdsnl.gds.nl>
Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 93 23:21:00
Org. : uugate/2 (OS/2) GDS BV,Internet/Fido gateway +31-15-569865
Hi,
JCvW> From: jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel)
JCvW> I heard the following news this morning on the breakfast news:
JCvW> Frank Zappa died at the age of 52 and was burried on
JCvW> Saturday December 4.
I found it very comforting to see this:
- His demise was featured on the front page of at least
2 big papers in holland, NRC and HC.
- The news service in holland (national+rtl4/5), belgium, uk
and germany each had a lengthy segment dedicated to FZ.
- The NL national radio station for _classical_ music (radio 4) sent
out FZ music for half a day non stop.
- CNN had a segment, including a silly video graphic composition
with his picture & FZ 1940-1993 embedded in it.
- MTV europe showed a very lengthy piece including FZ uttering
his critisizm toward MTV ;-)
Maybe he should have run for president after all. Pity tho' that
Mr. Havel (nobel prize winner himself, I believe) wanted him as a
US cultural ambassador, but the US government wouldn't let him ..
JCvW> Th world greatest musician, guitar player, composer is no longer
JCvW> creating the music we all love.
This must be the understatement of the year.
Groeten! jeroen@gds.nl
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From: Gora Mohanty
: gora@iastate.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Re: This group
Msg-ID: <gora.755224629@pv7422.vincent.iastate.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 00:37:09
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: Iowa State University, Ames IA
In <192319Z06121993@anon.penet.fi> an53106@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Mike Quigley wrote:
>>I wrote:
>> Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
>>
>>I sure hope not! Though Frank is gone, his music lives on!
>Well perhaps..but I was hoping to spare us the excrutiating sight of
>innumerable postings telling us how sad it was that he died.
Well, people work out grief in many ways.... I am still stunned from the
news.
>On the other hand..think of the band they're collecting "up there"...
:-) That thought sure is cheering!
Gora
--- Dear Mr. Fantasy play us a tune, something to make us all feel happy.
Do anything to take us out of this gloom
.....................
Please don't be sad if it was a straight life you had
We wouldn't have known you all these years.
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: #9860542
From: Bruce Haire [Contracto
: three@sillycorn.Eng.Sun.COM
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 188 words 1032 bytes
: Re: Zappa is dead.
Msg-ID: <mg7li9INNo5d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 01:03:05 GMT
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In article <CHLvnx.G5D@acsu.buffalo.edu> upubrb@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (RB)
writes:
>While I will miss Zappa's creativity, I think I will miss his staunch
>individualism even more. At a time when such individualism is a rare
>commodity, we lose a great champion for individualism. Zappa always
>walked it like he talked it, and there are few in the industry that you
>can truly say that about.
>
>Viva Zappa!
>
>ltothjr.
Well put. I think Matt Groaning [sp?] said it best in the Guitar
Player
Zappa special issue when he said; "Zappa is my Elvis". I'd have to say
he's my
Elvis too. I first heard Overnight Sensation and ' when I was about 12,
it
blew
my mind. All I can say is PLEASE DO NOT MAKE A RUN ON THE ZAPPA BIN AT
YOU
LOCAL
RECORD STORE! ;-) I guess we're all collectors here. I'm glad I started
a few
years
ago... this is a sad day for us, but ya know, I think he be gwan upta
hebbin...
Elvis, he's dead.
Now Zappa...
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From: Chris Robinson
: robincnr@ccmail.us.dell.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 127 words 784 bytes
: His Music Lives On...
Msg-ID: <robincnr.1.0@ccmail.us.dell.com>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 01:49:34 GMT
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: Dell Computer Corporation
Very sad to hear the news this morning -- although I was expecting it,
knowing how ill he was. I guess I never would have made it through
adolesence without my copy of "One Size Fit's All" & "Bongo Fury"
blasting
from the 8-track.
As a gutarist, I've been spellbound for years by Frank's fluid, modal
phrasing on leads -- I've never heard any guitarist who sounds so
spontanous, you literally don't know what he's going to do next (even
after you've heard the song several times).
I'm going to do something I've wanting to do for years now -- get Steve
Vai'
s book of Zappa guitar tab and learn some of his leads note-for-note -- I
can't think of a better tribute...
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From: Peter Mulderry
: pmulderry@cix.compulink.co.uk
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 108 words 666 bytes
: Re: Frank's gone...
Msg-ID: <CHMyF9.ID4@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:57:08
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I first became acquainted with Franks music in 1977
(I was a late developer) when I bought a copy of Absolutely
Free in a record sale. Sixteen years later I still find that
old LP as challenging as the day I first played it. Not a
hint of nostalgia, even though I now know all the words on
the record (_even the little sneaky ones!_). What could
better illustrate Franks status as a great composer?
And what could better illustrate his integrity as a person
than that his later music remained as infuriating as ever?
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: #9861523
From: david.l.windt
: windt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 172 words 1019 bytes
: ...and that's the theme of our program for tonight.
Msg-ID: <CHn71q.2E7@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 02:03:22
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Monday Evening, December 6, 1993.
I just listened to Strictly Genteel, LSO Vol II, volume set to 11.
Try getting through that one with a dry eye. (And I don't care
_how_ much those trumpets are out of tune.)
"Once upon a time there was a guy who thought that music was
important and that rock n'roll songs ought to say something
different in their lyrics. So he wrote a few hundred of these
items, trying to get his point across to the people in the U.S.A."
"Twenty-five years later, most of the people in his own country
had never heard any of this music (it had been systematically
`removed' from the mainstream of American broadcasting and made
mysteriously absent from many important retail outlets), but he
kept on doing it anyway because he believed that one day things
would get better."
-from the Beat The Boots scrapbook (and a T-Shirt too.)
Thanks, Frank.
^^^^^^
-David Windt
-windt@physics.att.com
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From: Andrew Bulhak
: acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 182 words 1131 bytes
: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <2e0oj4$4s8@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 02:08:36 GMT
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Barbara Abernathy (baberna@scheme.cse.psu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> not-for-mail writes:
: >THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
: >PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
: >WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
: >IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
: >
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JOE SIX-PACK, USA
: First Escobar, now Zappa, what is this world coming to ;-)
Hey, Pablo Escobar was the fourth Most Evil Man in History (tm), right
after Adolf Hitler, Lee Harvey Oswald and John Dillinger.....
-- acb [Pablo Escobar DIED FOR YOU!]
-Andrew Bulhak
|"Spam was, Spam is and Spam shall be.
summer
acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au| is winter, and after winter, summer.
once
Monash Uni, Clayton,
| where Man rules now, where Man rules
shall
Victoria, Australia
| rule again . . . As a foulness shall
it."
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After
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now it
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Treasured FZ memory
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After an interview with a particularly nasty/corrupt/rightwing
congressman, NPR did not comment or editorialize, but the bumper
music that segued the piece was JL Ponty's recording of FZ's
"The Idiot Bastard Son", cued right to the (instrumental) line
"the father's the Nazi in congress today". Only the cognosenti
could pick up the subtle, yet blatant editorializing.
Bye, Frank.
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From: Shannon Lawson
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: Narrow-minded DJs
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The following is taken from a conversation I just had
with a disk jockey at a local (Austin, TX) radio station:
DJ:
Me:
DJ:
Hello, <call letters>!
Hi! Do you plan to commemorate Frank Zappa in any way?
Uh, my program director is gone for the day, and I haven't
heard that we're doing anything...
Me: Couldn't you just put something on?
DJ: No. We're doing classic rock A to Z.
(This is a thing for sweeps week, I guess. And it should
be noted that another station in town is doing the same thing,
but they took time to break for some FZ).
Me: Too bad. He deserves better. <CLICK!>
This is the same sort of sheep-minded behavior Frank despised.
Some people will never get a clue...
Shannon Lawson
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect
those of my employer, Motorola SPS.
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In article <2dvjut$clf@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Brian Cadwell,
cadwell@astro.psu.edu writes:
>freind. Although I didn't always agree with every idea he put forth,
>he did change the way I veiw the world around me.
I feel the same way! In some ways, listening to his lyrics helped me out
of a rut i was in as a young college student. I will miss his fresh
insights into the state of things.
chris
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
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It's hard to compare Zappa's work to that of the established classical
composers, since that label indicates the genre and tradition the piece
belongs in rather than its quality - let's face it, any terrible fourthrate
contemporary of Mozart's who wrote symphonies and was immediately
forgotten was still a classical composer. I think it makes more sense
to compare his work to that of someone like Duke Ellington, who wrote
jazz
but who seems to be getting lumped in with more "serious" composers these
days because of his quality and staying power. In fact, the more I think
about it, the more I like the comparison.
-The ghost of electricity
howls in the bones
kirkh@indirect.c
of her face.
Widgets
Kirk Hawley
Cunning
IPRO, Inc.
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: There will come a time....
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You know, I was lucky.... I think it was 1967 or 1968, when Frank and
the Mothers of Invention were the first rock group to play in my
high-school auditorium, as well as the LAST. (This may not be true,
but no other rock band had played at Eastern HS by the time I left
Baltimore in 1970.)
And for me, the most wonderful thing that happened was that they
played a song that contained a line "there will come a time when you
won't even be ashamed that you are fat".
That made a lot of difference to me, as a pudgy college freshthing,
and it still resonates for me.
Thanks, Frank!
And goodbye....
STella@netcom.com
1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA, 94087
In a crisis, we cut away
what we don't need any more,
in the good times, we find our way,
we find our way back home....
--World Entertainment War
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: He's dead.
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:40:55
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Leiden
Need I say more?
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: Zappa...
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What a thriple threat FZ was:
Probably the best musical mind of the 60s. Light years ahead of
any
the rest. Frank approached music the same way the masters of classic
approached it...as an organic whole. He was using string sections and
rock
'operas' long before the others. A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW musical
scholars
will be disecting his work and whole generations will re-discover it. As
a
body of work, incredibly prolific. Willing to revisit themes and explore
them
with new tools. Oftenn repetitive but NEVER NEVER boring.
A fabulous - fabuolus guitarist. Unheralded because he never
'sold
out' to the popular style/sound of the day. Crystiline riffs, bleeding
soul
and fury.
An incredible wit and social commentarian. Calculated to irk
the establishment (be it political or musical). Who will ever forget the
stories of 'Billy the Mountain' or 'Joe's Garage'.
And one more thing...if it walks like a genious, and it sounds
like a
genious well, then it must be a genious.
Thank you Frank. Your passing leaves a gaping emptiness in the lives of
a
generation. Music lives on...ask Mozart.
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: Frank's Eulogy
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I think everyone should go home and isten to "Watermelon in Easter Hay"
tonight as a personal tribute to the genius we lost this week. To me,
this song has always communicated an air of sadness, resignation and
acceptance of unplleasant news.
Next time you're caught in a thunderstorm, listen for some of those
imaginary guitar notes....
We'll miss ya, Frank.
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: Re: Frank is dead.
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In article <2dugtc$9p5@panix.com> stinko@panix.com (Peter Gluck) writes:
>I just flipped the channels and heard on the news, "He was 52." while a
>picture of Zappa was displayed. I haven't seen anything else yet, but I
>guess he died tonight. I need a drink.
>
>Peter
Shit and damnit!! I just saw a package on Headline News on a local
station. I want it not to be true. Who's left now that he's gone?
Timothy
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: The King is Dead, Long Live the King
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Very sad news indeed, compounded by a bad dose of flu.
I'm going back to bed - I knew I shouldn't have got up.
...Ant
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From: Tom Clark
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: Goodbye Frank...
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I can't express what his existance has meant to me over the years. I am
sad that he is gone, but knowing what I do of the man, I am sure that he
had accepted his fate a long time ago and was at peace with his life. I
am
saddened mostly by the fact that his genius was not fully recognized
during
his time on Earth. He is missed already.
Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is THE BEST...
-FZ
Tom Clark
tclark@apple.com
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From: Glenn Sherman
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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JOE SIX-PACK (joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu) wrote:
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
I think you may have missed several points. First this is a forum of
FANS of
the man. You may have become flame-bait of the year. Your SYSOP is
gonna
have to install extra disks for your mail.
Second, say what you will of him, there Six-Pak, but he understood you
and
your problems better than you do (Lonesome Cowboy Burt!)
Third, it just ain't right to lighten the passing of any person. Let
alone
one who has left such an imposing impression on a generation (for GOOD or
BAD).
What have YOU done with YOUR life, anyway?
Get lost!
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From: Craig Shipley
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA JOE SIX-PACK IS A MORON!!!!!!!!!
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Well, I'm glad to see that "Joe Six-Pack" (Why'd he have to pick that
name? Gives us beer drinkers a bad name!) went and posted his spew.
Got the suspense over with, and rather quickly, too. I was just waiting
for that type of moronic post; I wasn't dissappointed.
Hey, Ms. Hackborn, still got yer version of "Lonesome Cowboy Burt"
available? Wanna repost it for ol' Joe Six-Pack (aka "18 Shy Of A Case")?
"My name is Joe Six-Pack,
I am an asshole..."
--m------- Craig Shipley
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From: Frog Heaven
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: Re: Frank is dead.
Msg-ID: <2e0suu$obb@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:21:16
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In article <2dul5k$4ov@cybernetics.com>, timothys@cybernetics.com
(Timothy W.
Satterfield) said:
>
>In article <2dugtc$9p5@panix.com> stinko@panix.com (Peter Gluck) writes:
>>
>>I just flipped the channels and heard on the news, "He was 52." while a
>>picture of Zappa was displayed. I haven't seen anything else yet, but I
>>guess he died tonight. I need a drink.
>
>Shit and damnit!! I just saw a package on Headline News on a local
>station. I want it not to be true. Who's left now that he's gone?
Don't worry. I hope I speak for musicians everywhere when I say that I
will
always have the spirit of Frank Zappa's music in what I play. I know, it
sounds
cheezy, but that's the best way to put it.
ribbit
"...and everything under the sun is in tune,
/^\_/^\ /
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."
/ O
O \
-Pink Floyd
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"Eclipse"
^^^^^^^
Email 4 PGP key
Cabal?! We don't need no stinkin Cabal!
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Zappa spotted in Ohio
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It's a hoax! I saw him behind the counter at a 7-11 in Sandusky. It's
just a
temporary gig, til Tipper makes her next move, emboldened by Frank's
"untimely
demise". Zappa will never die.
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From: Brian J. Bernstein (Dr
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: Sad day.. sad, sad day..
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.140454.20910@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
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To the greatest composer who ever lived
We love you.. Good bye, Frank.
Frank Zappa
1940 - 1993
==subliminalmessagessubliminalmessagessubliminalmessagessubliminalme==
== Brian Bernstein (Drone)
'I love my country, but I ==
== bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu //
fear my government..'
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From: Adolf Heimlich
: fyffemw@po.NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 03:53:34 GMT
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
Drug abusin? Who the fuck made you the Zappa expert. BTW why is it that
alt.music.hardcore seems to attract all the critics?
adolf heimlich
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From: Mike Pounds
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: frank farewell
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 04:35:14 GMT
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Learned of Frank's death while watching CNN's coverage of the
Endeavour/Hubble spacewalk and repair work. Sad, but at least he's not
suffering. I understand that he tried to work throughout his illness.
That's a fine epitaph.
Mike
(who thumbled onto FZ at 17 back
in the "Absolutely Free" Days)
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From: Rick Gordon
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: Re: My soundtrack memories
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In article <CHMEs9.1Bpr@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>, reese@watson.ibm.com
(Diane Reese) wrote:
> Frank Zappa was a genius. An entertainer, a trailblazer, an individual,
> someone who knew some absolute truths about life. And a major part of
> the soundtrack of my life.
> ... <stuff deleted>
> On my own, playing "Burnt Weenie Sandwich" for prospective new
boyfriends
> and watching their reaction. Those who didn't pass the Zappa test
didn't
> get many second chances. Finding a husband whose Zappa collection was
at
> least the match of my own.
> ... <more stuff deleted>
I just had to respond to this one - as my wife accuses me of performing
the
same test on her back when we were housemates in college. First the
records, then I took her to see a late night screening of "200 Motels".
She
passed. Hell, she plays his stuff more than I do these days!
At least we have his music, more than most of us will leave behind.
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From: Rik Myers
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: Re: A fitting eulogy
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 01:26:41 GMT
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In article <2dvs0vINNa94@hippocampus.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
fox-r@cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard K Fox) wrote:
> I would also like to promote Bob Belas' idea of a day of silence
> where we all refrain from posting to the newsgroup. Frank's
> birthday seems a reasonable suggestion.
>
Indeed. Please.
-Rik Myers
Zanga Zanga
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From: Jamie Heilman
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: Re: Frank Zappa 1940-1993 - Oh No! I don't believe it
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people?
Shit happens, but why does it always have to happen to the good
This sucks.
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From: Brian William Carroll
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:29:32
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Ever year on Hendrix's birthday, a friend of mine buys a
cheeseburger and fries and places them under a tree. I was thinking
that on Frank's birthday I would buy a cup of coffee and a pack of
cigarettes but I can't think of an apropriate place to put them.
I was introduces to Frank in 1984, when I was in fourth grade. A
friend of mine gave me a tape of a bunch of funny songs by a guy his
father listened to. I loved this taped, though I didn't know who it
was. It had a song about a guy getting spanked, one about taking your
teeth out, one about a garage band and one about eating yellow snow. I
loved every song on it. Years went by and when I was in 8th grade, the
local newspaper did a story on garage bands. When I turned to the story,
there at the begining of the article was the first few verses of one of
the songs on the tape(remember the tape?), and the after the verses was
"from Joe's Garage by Frank Zappa". I ran right out to get a Zappa
record and now 30 albums later, I still think he's the greatest. Nobody
comes close to him. Now I just hope that someone will pick up the torch.
@:^[Brian Carroll
Carnegie Mellon University
"and he quietly dreams he's last imaginary guitar solo"
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From: Shane Kershaw
: skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au
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: FZ RIP (Was Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!)
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From article <1993Dec6.220354.9713@VFL.Paramax.COM>, by
markw@VFL.Paramax.COM
(Mark H. Weber):
> Can we all just ignore this posting, please? It's a forgery.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
Hi All,
Whilst the post mentioned may have been a forgery, tha fact that FZ is
dead
can't be denied now.
Perhaps it's for the best, given the amount of pain and suffering he was
going through.
I'd like some thoughts about tracks to play during an one hour radio
show,
to be braodcast locally on Saturday, 11 December from 1pm - 2pm. I've got
most
of the catalogue, but none of the boots or YCDTOSA5or6
Let's remember him each in our own way. I don't think that is time yet
for
any new polls about his best tracks or albums - we'll al plumb for the
album or track we first heard, the track that confirmed us as
Zappalogues.
Cheers and condolences,
Shane.
-Shane Kershaw Internet: skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au
Phone: +61 66
221217
University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
UNE-NR is soon to become Southern Cross University.
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: Too soon gone
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14 years old I saw FZ live at The Isle of Calf festival in Norway for the
first time, an unforgetable experience. I've been to every show he had in
Norway (Drammen-drammen-drammen, Skjedsmo (schausagehallen) etc.) after
that
and just can't believe it's all over. This is even worse than the death
of
Richard Manuel in 86.
-Jan H\o iberg (janh@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu)
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In article <2e0ggp$2ec@news.ysu.edu> aa363@yfn.ysu.edu (Jacob Huebert)
writes:
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> Hearing all the news of Frank Zappa's death has brought him to my
attention,
> and he sounds rather interesting. I'd like to start getting his albums
> but, in your opinions, which one should I start with?
>
My first Zappa album was Hot Rats, and it's still a favorite of mine.
Stephen
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Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Amazing that so many fans of FZ seem to have lost their sense of irony it is a response to grief and egoism more profound than
platitudes. As fitting a tribute as any-(and no, I didn't post it- so for
gods sake don't waste your flame on me.)
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SIX-PACK) writes:
> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
: Drug abusin? Who the fuck made you the Zappa expert. BTW why is it that
: alt.music.hardcore seems to attract all the critics?
: adolf heimlich
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From: STCLAIRM@DELPHI.COM
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: in tribute to Frank....
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 00:37:28 -050
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make sure to go out and do something to piss off people who really
love "The State" or some equally ludicrous dogma. If you believe in
karma you'll probably think this won't improve the state of things,
but hell, it made me feel better!
------------------------------------------------"...and you'll never hear FLOORBEDEKKING again!"
Mike St. Clair
stclairm@delphi.com
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From: Catherine M Leonard
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: Frank Finds Peace
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Posted: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 17:29:58
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I read the news here first. Thank you all for sharing this information.
Better to hear it among friends than from some crappy news program.
Best wishes to all his family. FZ Music is the Best.
I hereby dedicate tonight's performance of 20th Century perc music to FZ.
Damn, ther are tears on my keyboard.
Glenn
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From: Dianne Hackborn
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 04:27:29 GMT
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In article <2dv1me$qk3@darum.uni-mannheim.de>,
Klimek <fm24@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:
| In a way I agree with you. And I know I'm not free from this
"prejudice".
| But I have a reason for it. Personally, when listening to rock music I
am
| doing it in a different way than I listen to orchstral music. And
that's
| because when I'm listening to rock music I'm in a different mood than
| I am in when listening to orchestral music. And as the moods and
attitudes
| are different, so are my expectations to the music. To put it
simplified,
| I want rock music to go into my feet, and orchestral/classical/composed
music
| to go into my brain.
If you can't appreciate the music without sticking a label on it, you're
missing 99% of what Zappa is doing.
Thank-you Frank for the music thoughts and memories,
-----------------------------------------------------------Dianne Kyra Hackborn
"Labels, especially derogatory
hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu
labels, allow the envious to
BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne
sleep at night."
Oregon State University
-- Nancy Friday
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From: Brendan McEnaney
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: Goodbye Frank
Msg-ID: <CHnI9M.CMw@world.std.com>
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: My desk at home in Boston
This was one hard day to walk through. I gave up trying to get people
to listen to Frank a long time ago. I stopped letting it frustrate me
when I tried to share this joy with others and they won't stay focused
long enough to hear what's going on. So I've had Frank's art as a
personal treasure that I seldom was able to share.
Today my grief was (like the joy for the past 25 yrs) my own and I didn't
try to explain IT to anyone either. It was unexplainable, and besides, if
I so much as uttered the name Zappa today I would have cracked.
I'm not going to try to unload my feelings here either on acount of I
don't
think there's enough bandwidth on the net to dump 'em on. However, it
helped a lot getting through today knowing that this group would be here
when I got home. Kinda like an important family member passed on and you
are all like a bunch of cousins I can share the grief with without having
to explain it.
Thank you especially, Diane Reese. Your post made me smile and cry. Frank
supplied (and continues to supply) the soundtrack to my life too.
Bye Frank :'(
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From: David A. Logan
: uc924@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA
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: RIP FZ
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Three things I'll remember Frank for:
- he could sum up everything you needed to know about a particular year
in one record; sometimes it would take me years to get it, then I'd
listen and think, oh yeah that was exactly 1978, or 1982 or whatever
- in interviews and on records, he always championed using Reason when
it was and is unfashionable
- just thinking, what would Frank say about this? has kept me from
doing a surprising number of stupid things over the years.
... and oh yeah, since 1968 when I first heard Freak Out!, with
a bunch of crazed high school Band students: THE MUSIC ... the music
is the best...
I read someplace that Matt Groenig said, "Frank is my Elvis." I guess
that's true for all of us.
-Dave -- uc924@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
Victoria, B.C.
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From: aykrua@acad2.alaska.edu
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: Re: Narrow-minded DJs
Msg-ID: <1993Dec6.203525.1@acad2.alaska.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 00:35:25
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: University of Alaska
In article <1993Dec7.015722.16032@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com (Shannon Lawson) writes:
>
> The following is taken from a conversation I just had
> with a disk jockey at a local (Austin, TX) radio station:
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DJ: Hello, <call letters>!
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Me: Hi! Do you plan to commemorate Frank Zappa in any way?
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DJ:
Uh, my program director is gone for the day, and I haven't
heard that we're doing anything...
Me: Couldn't you just put something on?
DJ: No. We're doing classic rock A to Z.
(This is a thing for sweeps week, I guess. And it should
be noted that another station in town is doing the same thing,
but they took time to break for some FZ).
Me: Too bad. He deserves better. <CLICK!>
This is the same sort of sheep-minded behavior Frank despised.
Some people will never get a clue...
Shannon Lawson
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect
those of my employer, Motorola SPS.
I totally agree with Shannon... fortunately I used to work at a station
where
Frank's music was respected and admired... I'd suggest boycotting
stations like
this. Perhaps then they'll learn that we don't just want to hear the top
10
from yesteryear, we want to hear ALL good music!
-R. Warner / KRUA-FM 88.1 The Edge! (at University of Alaska, Anchorage)
Former host of "You can't do that on radio, anymore..." on KWHL-FM,
Anchorage.
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From: ADELSON, SETH KAJ
: ska7667@summa.tamu.edu
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: Zappa and Root Boy Slim - What's the connection?
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I was saddened by Root Boy Slim's passing in June.
left us
as well. What a lousy year...
And now Frank has
--Seth
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From: Malinda McCall
: mmccall@emory.edu
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: Re: Bad News. (SLOW FEED)
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I have been informed that FZ has indeed passed on, and that my
newsreader is, again, behind the times.
I shall miss the man greatly.
A good and creative guy...too few of his ilk for him not to be
mourned greatly and missed.
:(
WAH!
Malinda
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From: Steven Chai
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <gh121de00awRE1VmF4@andrew.cmu.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:19:21
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: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Please look at what newsgroups these letters are being sent to.
There's about twenty of them.
If you want to respond, respond to the newsgroup your reading.
Thank you.
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: You Can't Do That On Earth Anymore
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 01:14:58 CST
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I heard from a buddy of mine that FZ died on Saturday. "Holy shit..."
was all I muttered. Then he informed me that FZ was already buried.
(On Sunday, of course--perhaps not even twenty-four hours after the
tragedy.) At this I shed a few tears. It's pretty severe to realize
that FZ's already been laid to rest. The world is less one genius
indeed. As I type this I'm glancing at my LSO Vol. 2 poster--a big
blow up of the cover--complete with "the cat that drools" parked
ever-so-sereneny on his shoulder. Oh, how FZ's music and buffoonery
put me into a great mood upon listening to the first ten seconds...
One of my heroes has passed on...hopefully to a place where he feels
a bit better than he did the last two years or so...
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From: Jay Gale
: jgale@sparky.bvu-lads.loral.com
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: Play Him Loudly
Msg-ID: <jgale-061293183936@137.249.102.10>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 02:39:35
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Frank is gone,
Think I'll go home and play
Roxy and Elsewhere at full volume
The King is Dead
-*** *** *** ***
To call something public is to define it as dirty,
insufficient, and hazardous. The ultimate paradigm
of social spending is the public rest room
Jay Gale
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From: Ole Jacob Taraldset
: ojt@stud.unit.no
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: Re: Mourning
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 08:41:00 GMT
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My exams are gonna go to hell.......
Love you Frank
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From: Friend of Zappa
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: Friend of Family
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Posted: Mon, 06 Dec 1993 22:00:3
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: University of Oregon
I have known frank since I was a a little kid. I am also a close friend
of
the family. Gail will be announcing a charity that you can make a
donation
to in rememberence to Frank. It will probably be a library of some sort.
Send mail if you have any questions.
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From: Kristian Martinsen
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 08:52:03 GMT
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In article <2duuv3$qk3@darum.uni-mannheim.de>, fm24@rummelplatz.unimannheim.de
(Klimek) writes:
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> If you want to find out which kind of rock/pop music you like most.
Then you
> think about all the people and groups you know (including Zappa and
Madonna
> etc.) to make up your mind. That means: If you found out that you like
> FZ more than Madonna (which I suppose) you have alread compared both.
>
Well, I compare Zappa with all kinds of music; Jazz, Classic,
Contemporary,
etc.
You will not accept Zappa in "the league of serious composers", OK thats
your
judgement, and I don't agree. But I cant accept you putting him in the
league
of Madonna/Guns'n Roses Rock/pop.
The-Industrial-produced-rytmic-noise-and-repetetivesinging-easy-teenager-listening-in-order-to-maximize-profit-league.
To me, Zappa will be one of the gratest composers in history, with his
own
genious and
exceptional style. He had an overall consept with everything he did.
Thankyou Frank......
(Sniff....)
Kristian
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From: Justin Sherrill
: jcs1589@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
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: A lousy day...
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.055743.7208@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 05:57:43
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: Rochester Institute of Technology
This is a bad day for me I just found out FZ died, and it's my birthday today.
Probably the worst present one could think of.
Include my vote for the day of silence.
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From: Monte Bingham
: monteb@doc.cc.utexas.edu.cc.utexas.edu
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: Re: Narrow-minded DJs
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 09:18:55 GMT
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: In article <1993Dec7.015722.16032@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com (Shannon Lawson) writes:
: >
: > The following is taken from a conversation I just had
: > with a disk jockey at a local (Austin, TX) radio station:
: >
: >
DJ: Hello, <call letters>!
: >
Me: Hi! Do you plan to commemorate Frank Zappa in any way?
: >
DJ: Uh, my program director is gone for the day, and I haven't
: >
heard that we're doing anything...
: >
Me: Couldn't you just put something on?
: >
DJ: No. We're doing classic rock A to Z.
: >
(This is a thing for sweeps week, I guess. And it should
: >
be noted that another station in town is doing the same
thing,
: >
but they took time to break for some FZ).
: >
Me: Too bad. He deserves better. <CLICK!>
: >
: > This is the same sort of sheep-minded behavior Frank despised.
: >
: > Some people will never get a clue...
: >
: > Shannon Lawson
: > lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
: >
I likewise dealt with the ignorance of rock DJs today. I called KLBJ
an Austin Rock station to ask if there would be some tribute or such, and
was
told that he had already played "a song" of Frank's and to relax, because
it wasn't anything like John Lennon. Can you believe it?! I am never
ever
listening to that station again. Anyways I played my own special tribute
far
exceeding that played on any station complete without any commercial
distractions
Frank, I will miss you, but the music will always be with me...
Monte
monteb@cc.ccwf.utexas.edu
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From: Doc Rock
: pfische@andy.bgsu.edu
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: Citizen Artist
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 07:04:28
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: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Artists are human culture's visionaries. Often they see what is coming
and tell/warn the rest of us. In his music, lyrics, and public actions FZ
railed against the worst potentials of this mass society and reminded of
its best. Citizen Artists like that are few in number and more precious
than ? to those who listen. Thanks Frank. The listening will not stop.
-PDF
;{)>
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From: HUELSEN FLORIAN
: j3huel01@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de
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: Re:HAHAHAHAHAH FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD !!!!!
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 09:43:46
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: University of Passau - Germany
*From: joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK)
*Subject: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
*Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 20:55:53 GMT
*THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
*PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
*WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
*IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
*
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Let's ignore such stupid people, I said to me, reading this mail.....
but on the other hand: you're an ugly mothaf****** sh++head, Joe-Sixpack
!
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From: David Strippgen
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: NO!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 09:44:38 GMT
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He is not dead as long as we hear his music!!
Ciao, David
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From: Christer Palm
: palm@admin.kth.se
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: Re: This group
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.093104.17072@admin.kth.se>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 09:31:04
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: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation
In article <143303Z06121993@anon.penet.fi>, <an53106@anon.penet.fi>
wrote:
>Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
>
Mr Smith and Mr Wesson and I want a word with you.
-"Destiny makes relatives, selection makes friends."
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From: Christer Palm
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: Re: sigh
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 09:41:08
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: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation
In article <CHMDur.y84@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>,
Diane Reese <reese@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>A friend in Sweden wants to know if mail sent to the P.O. box mentioned
>here will actually be read by anyone. And does anyone know if the
>818-PUMPKIN line still works, and if so, what's on it today?
>
>Has anyone considered compiling the sentiments from here to send to
>California?
Yes Im collecting them all.
/Christer
"Do not look into laser beam with remaining eye."
-"Destiny makes relatives, selection makes friends."
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From: mcsdc2gsf@dct.ac.uk
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: Zappa Records To Continue?
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.101714.9830@dct.ac.uk>
Posted: 7 Dec 93 10:17:14 GMT
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: Dundee Institute of Technology
What with the unfortunate and untimely death of Frank Zappa......what
will
happen to Zappa Records?
Will Gail take over now? Or will Dweezil be honoured with it.
Hopefully all the intended releases for this year and later are still
intended to be released.....it would be a disaster if now that Frank is
dead
that his music is no longer released.
-graemeAn FZ fan.
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From: Phineas
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I talked to Don Joyce of Negativland tonight for about
15 minutes and proposed my doing a Frank Zappa show on his
show, Over The Edge on KPFA in Berkeley California. I've
done three shows of my own on Over the Edge (one three hour
show and two five-hour shows) and have guested on one other
show with Ronald Redball. In light of Frank Zappa's recent
death, it occured to me that doing a tribute to Frank on
Over the Edge would be a great idea considering the large
amount of material I have and that Frank's style would lend
itself well to OTE's format.
Don was his usual unenthused, non-commital self, he
said that December's shows were already full... I've
proposed shows in the past and he's reacted the same way
though in the cases of shows I've actually done, he's come
around after mulling for a while the ideas I've proposed.
The pattern in the past is that I send him at least 90
minutes worth of stuff, on tape, that will lend itself best
to his downloading to 'carts' making them easily
manipulatable during the show.
Over the Edge is a live audio-collage media-mix noise
show. Various clips and bytes around a certain them and
from various media are 'composed' or arranged or mixed in
new ways, such as being taken out of context, played
simultaneously or intercut with each other... a lot of sound
effects are added to this and telephone calls are taken so
listeners can participate in the process. If you've never
heard the show, listen to Frank Zappa's composition of PORN
WARS on FRANK ZAPPA MEETS THE MOTHERS OF PRVENTION or listen
to The Beatles' REVOLUTION NUMBER 9 on the White Album or
just about anything by Negativland and you'll have an idea
how it sounds.
The Zappa show would feature clips from the immense
amount of media material that he left behind, interviews,
songs, music, related news clips and such all mixed in the
OTE way. Ideally this should be a 5 hour show due to the
multi-facetedness of the subject matter and the immense
material available.
In a week or so I'm going to have a tape ready to send
Don to convince him to do this show. After the show is
done, I would be willing to record the entire thing for
people on the net if they send me an SASE and enough blank
tapes to record the show on for them. What I need from
Netters here at this point is some kind of documentation
that points out that people are actually interested in
having this show broadcast... that there is an audience for
it out there. I can send along these messages to Don to
further convince him to do the show... also, even though I
have about half a dozen or so Zappa interviews... I want the
show to be somewhat balanced between Frank's music and
interviews... I have a lot more music than recordings of
Frank talking.... so, if anyone can send me any audio
recordings of Frank talking I could very much use them for
such a show and this would go even more toward convincing
Don to do it. I particularly need any behind-the-scenes or
spoken stuff from the 60's and 70's. Video is not
necessary, just send audio. THIS IS NOT A SCAM FOR ME TO
GET FREE ZAPPA STUFF... I will need it for the show. Anyone
who sends stuff I use will get their name acknowledged on
the air and will get priority for tape copies of the show
(if they want them, must send SASE and blanks)
Note-Don't send anything from the following since I already
have these:
-Zappa hosting Saturday Night Live
-Interview with Zappa by Arsenio Hall
-Baby Snakes movie
-Does Humor Belong in Music?
-Zappa on Larry King Live
-The UNCLE MEAT movie
-The NBC Today Show interview
Any help fellow Zappa fans can give to this project is
greatly appreciated.
Please e-mail me for more info and for addressing info
--Phineas Narco
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From: Clint Fleckenstein
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 10:36:49
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In article <CHn1pq.F05@nit.pactel.com> mrloop@nit.pactel.com (Mark Loop)
writes:
>joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK) writes:
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[drivel deleted]
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JOE SIX-PACK, USA
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>I sure hope that your lifestyle is as perfect as you expect everyone
>else's to be. What'e with the six-pack reference? Don't you know that
>drinking beer contributes to colon cancer? Get real.
Obviously it also contributes to criminal stupidity.
(I've toned down the distribution to North America only--maybe some
followups will do the same)
Clint
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From: David M. Hull
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 08:20:46 GMT
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I was actually one of the first posters on this group, but soon left
because I didn't have time to follow it but more because "fan" and
"Frank Zappa" just seemed too incongrous. I most definitely don't
mean that as a slam on all the "fans" (again, that just can't be the
right word) who have managed to say such human and beautiful things in
a moment of true grief.
Zappa's music is some of the first music I remember. My parents
played "We're Only in it for the Money," "Uncle Meat," and
"Apostrophe" right alongside Bach, Johnny Cash and I don't remember
what else. I remember a junior high party where I saw Seargent Pepper
and said "Wow, someone brought the Mothers of Invention!". And we
*had* Seargent Pepper at home. And *played* it.
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We already know that life isn't fair, but every time Jesse Helms
outlives another decent person, part of me gets just that much more
pissed off. Not that I would take any joy in outliving Mr. Helms.
How to avoid a senseless cycle of bitterness? Music, humor, wit and
humanity. And we still have plenty of that left. Because even if one
of the finest producers is no longer with us, we can still make our
own. Everybody, especially you musicians, let's get out there, shake
the bastards up and do Frank proud.
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When I got home (I slept through the morning news and didn't see the
headline on the paper until lunch), I dug out "Shut up and Play Yer
Guitar" and played it through. "Treacherous Cretins" is an unlikely
name for what always sounded like an elegy. And the last song on the
first disc, "Ship Ahoy" --- I was in a record store back home and
heard this unearthly music playing over the sound system and said "I
must have this." So I asked the woman behind the counter what it was
and she said it was FZ ("Wow, I used to listen to him all the time
when I was little") and she said the disc was one of their demos, and
if no one bought it she was hoping to get it for herself. I agonized
a bit, but she made like it wasn't such a big deal, so I bought it. I
didn't have the heart to tell her I didn't have a CD player. It was
one of the first CD's I ever bought, if not the first, and the main
reason I don't play it much anymore is because I've already listened
to it so much.
Tonight as I listened to it, for the first time I could hear a certain
fragility in it. I had read that FZ was seldom completely happy with
his performances, fussing over the guitar sound and such, and I'd
always though "OK, so he hears more things than me." But tonight I
could almost feel him pointing out "See, there, that could have been
better." And of course, it was beautiful beyond words. Because real
music has that fragility, that feeling that it could be just that much
better, and it's only the magic between the performer and the listener
that keeps the whole thing from falling apart.
Well, this is too long, but so what. It's the best I can do. Will
whoever's sending the a.f.fz card to the family please add my name?
-| Easily amused
dmh@drizzle.stanford.edu
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I thought skipping work yesterday would mean gaining energy for today
but it didn't work. Can't get anything done today either.
Probably better to go home and put FZ on.
Markus
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: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 12:19:35 GMT
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In article <Mh10Og600iUz4CVs1Q@andrew.cmu.edu>, Brian William Carroll
<bc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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Ever year on Hendrix's birthday, a friend of mine buys a
> cheeseburger and fries and places them under a tree. I was thinking
> that on Frank's birthday I would buy a cup of coffee and a pack of
> cigarettes but I can't think of an apropriate place to put them.
>
In the spirit of cheeziness and remembering Phi Krappa Zappa, howzabout
under
the bowl of a randomly picked public toilet? (Is that scatological
enough?)
Thanks for the memories...... (Hammersmith Odeon 1984, Birmingham NEC
1988)
Ranko
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From: Ales Kantor
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Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is THE BEST...
-FZ
Deepest regrets
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Vancouver /USA/ Division
Hewlett-Packard Company
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From: T.P. Joiner
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: He was a great man
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Frank Zappa was a great man,he gave so much to music,though his style
seemed sometimes a bit strange,it was nevertheless still excellent,and
after
all,that was him!
I'm sure everyone joins me in sending condolences to his family and
friends,it is a great loss,and at such a young age.
He will be sorely missed.
R.I.P.
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From: Phillip A. Freshour
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: Zappa rarities...
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 13:16:22 GMT
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Please add the following to my list of Zappa rarities ('Stuff You Just
Can't Find Anymore'):
29. The master behind the music
So long, Frank.
Regards,
Phil
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In article <2e0oj4$4s8@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Andrew Bulhak <acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>
>Hey, Pablo Escobar was the fourth Most Evil Man in History (tm), right
>after Adolf Hitler, Lee Harvey Oswald and John Dillinger.....
Cool! 2 out of 3 are Americans! But you seem to have forgotten
Abraham Lincoln, the original benefactor of BIG GOVERNMENT.
So... We just move the list over a little...
Abraham Lincoln, Adolf Hitler, Lee Harvey Oswald. Still 2 out of 3.
Except I think that Joe Stalin beats out Oswald,
but 3 out of 5 still isn't too bad.
Alan
-Alan Light | "The fire is alight and will not be put out until it has
Waxhaw, NC | burnt up the earth's foundations."
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From: Florian Kaeding
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...and ever keep him in mind.
Think I'll get tight this night, too.
-Florian
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Personally I think we should all go home, pick up our
imaginary guitars and play our last imaginary guitar solo.
I for one intend to treat all my neighbors to a loud but
soulful rendition of "Watermelon in Easter Hay" followed
by "It Ain't Necessarily the St. James Infirmary".
Gig 'em Frank.....Wherever you are.
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* Wisdom is not truth.....
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* - Frank Zappa
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From: Bradley Braun
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: Saddened By the Loss
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Hello All,
Although I have never posted, I have enjoyed this conference.
I am deeply saddened by the demise of FZ. I had heard that he was on
his death bed, but it is always a shock when someone passes away. I did
at one time consider myself a avid FZ fan. I have a large number of his
albums, and had been replacing them (the ones that were available) with
CDs. I remember when I would go to every FZ concert that came to town,
even as much as go to NYC every Holloween. I will in the next few weeks
listen to his music, and remember what first interested me in FZ. To me
FZ music was an enlightning experience that I will always cherish.
Bye Frank & Take Care.
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From: John R. Kender
: jrk@news.cs.columbia.edu
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 08:18:07 -050
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I get two newspapers: the New York Times and the Hackensack (N.J.)
Record.
Both carried obituaries this morning. The NYTimes' was longer, but a
good
deal more "straight" than the Record's, which I have transcribed below.
ROCK STAR GETS QUIET SEND-OFF
Private Service Held for Zappa
(from news service reports)
LOS ANGELES -- When people marched to a different drummer, Frank
Zappa played rhythm.
The iconoclastic rock musician died Saturday of prostate cancer at
52. He was buried Sunday in a private ceremony in Los Angeles, said
family friend Jim Nagle.
"Composer Prank Zappa left for his final tour just before 6 p.m.
Saturday," the family said in a statement released Sunday night. Mr.
Zappa's wife, Gail, and four children -- Moon Unit, 26, Dweezil, 24,
Ahmet, 19, and Diva, 14 -- were with him when he died at his Los
Angeles home.
Mr. Zappa's two-year bout with cancer rarely stopped him from
composing, recording, and performing, or trying to defend lyrics
against censors. He released "Yellow Shark" in 1992, but his illness
forced him to cut short a related tour. Before his death, he
completed another album, "Civilization: Phaze III," which is scheduled
for release in the spring, Nagle said.
With the band or as a solo artist, Mr. Zappa released about 50
albums. He made his name in the late 1960s, when he led his band, the
Mothers of Invention, in what he called "sonic mutilations." The band
presided at numerous so-called "freak-outs," though Mr. Zappa himself was
a teetotaler.
Mr. Zappa's music was a frothy stew of Fifties doo-wop, rhythm and
blues, experimental jazz, and avant-garde classical strains -- heaped
high with perverse, often scatological lyrics. In albums with such
far-out titles as "Freak Out!," "Lumpy Gravy," and "Weasels Ripped My
Flesh," Mr. Zappa served as a Spike Jones for the counterculture.
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From: Geoffrey Simmons
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jeroen_van_gennip@gdsnl.gds.nl (Jeroen Van Gennip) writes:
>Maybe he should have run for president after all. Pity tho' that
>Mr. Havel (nobel prize winner himself, I believe) wanted him as a
>US cultural ambassador, but the US government wouldn't let him ..
In last year's presidential primary, I wrote him in. Long live.
Geoff
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From: Per Nehard
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Scott,
Here is my contribution to the tribute:
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Frank Zappa was a poetic wizard, a musical genius, but he was also
a humble man.
Beeing from suburbian Stockholm, Sweden I especially remember one
episode.
Frank met some guys from a suburb called Tullinge (not far from
where I live) after a concert he held in the swedish capital. They
had left their smaller brother back home. A big fan who was too young
to get permission to go to the show that nite ("... Oh, rats! ...").
Frank came up with this wild idea to follow them home, sneak up on their
brother (who was asleep) and tell him: "Wake up, it's me Frank Zappa!".
Apparently Frank stayed for a chat around that familly's kitchen table
til' about 3 in the morning(!).
To me this anecdote indicates who Frank Zappa was. A down to earth
person who chared so much with others and never let fame and fortune
get to his head.
Good bye Frank, I too will miss you...
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In light of the recent event of Frank's death I thought
I would re-post this interview. It has been called the
best Frank Zappa interview ever, and may very well be.
I have other interviews that I will transcribe in the
coming days. I've heard that Frank will have a new
CD out in the spring and that mail is still being
collected at his PO Box. The address to send letters
of condolences, appreciation, remembrance, etc. is:
P.O. Box 5265
North Hollywood, CA
91616
[Note--footnote numbers that refer to other Zappa interviews
and texts are in brackets. The footnotes that these refer
to are at the end of this document. This interview was
transcribed from hard copy onto disk by Phineas Narco]
--Phineas Narco
-----------------------------------------------------------This interview took place during a 7-hour visit with the
very hospitable Frank Zappa at his home between 8:00P.M.,
Oct.21 and 3:00 A.M., Oct.22, 1988. Dr. Carolyn Dean and
Gerald Fialka assisted Bob Marshall in conducting the
interview. We thank Loren Gagnon for transcribing the
original audio tapes.
BM In your mini-manifesto on JOE'S GARAGE where you say
"Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom,...
etc.", at the end you say "Music is THE BEST". What is
Music?
FZ Well, in the terms, I would use two different
definitions for it, one in the clinical sense and one in
the sense that applies to that little statement on the
album. In the sense of the statement on the album, it
would mean whatever you happen to think music is. That's a
statement to other people and they would plug into that
statement their concept of what music is. I'll recite it
for you just for the people who don't have the albums:
"Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom,
Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not
love, Love is not music and Music is THE BEST". So, you
get to figure out what your idea of music is and plug it
into that.
BM
I find that little manifesto resonates so much with
many points that you have said through the years in your
interviews. For example, I don't know of it any earlier
but in the Fall of '79, in Rolling Stone, was one of the
first times that you talked about yourself as a
"journalist" [1]. Am I wrong? Did you talk about it in
earlier interviews I'm not aware of?
FZ I don't know whether or not I talked about it in
interviews earlier, but there's always been a journalistic
aspect in my work even from the first album because if a
person writes a song about a current event that's a
journalistic technique. And I would say certainly a song
about the Watts Riot, which was on the FREAK OUT! album,
qualified as some for of journalism because a lot of people
don't even remember what the Watts Riot was, and so, at the
point where you make the song, the Watts Riot was a recent
journalistic event, it was recently in the news, but over a
period of years, people forget what the news was and now it
just becomes folklore. The fact is Channel 5 in Los
Angeles, which showed the pictures of the riot, did have a
story about a woman sawed in half by 50-caliber machine gun
bullets from the National Guard that was down there taking
care of the riot. And that may be the only lasting
monument to the woman who got sawed in half. There's a lot
of things like that in songs that go from journalism into
folklore with people and the events that they are involved
in. The songs were news at the time that they happened but
over a period of time, who cares about the news anymore and
then it's just folklore.
BM I see that and that's the opening word - "Information".
I relate that to your statement in Life magazine this
summer that you "hum the news" [2]. There seems to be a
metaphor that you're replaying here as music. Your work is
journalistic yet you're turning the news as folklore into
some kind of musical artform.
FZ That's an interesting way of juggling this stuff around
and there's a certain aspect of it, but I would say that
the only part of the news that turns into the music is the
lyrics. It's pretty hard to convert something like
election statistics into something that you can hum,
really.
BM So you mean the news lyrics is what you hum. But don't
you include the news of musical trends? Where you do your
satire of musical styles, isn't there a trendy newsy level
there?
FZ Usually by the time I'm making fun of it, it's no longer
news because in order to make fun of something everybody
has to know the ground rules for the joke to work, so it
would be ridiculous to make fun of punk orchestration,
everybody else had some idea of what punk sounded like so
that you can make a parody of it. You can't be newsworthy
like in a timely fashion, with a musical parody
BM But when it becomes an environment, a cliche.
FZ Yeah, it's when it has saturated the cultural environment
and everybody knows that people, with hair sticking up in a
certain direction, with guitars totally out of tune,
banging a couple of chords for one and a half minutes
constitutes a musical form. Then you can make fun of it.
BM So when you say "I hum the news", you mean the lyrics.
FZ Yeah I'm talking more about the lyrics rather than the
notes.
BM Is there an ethical question there about humming the
news? Are you satirizing people's involvement in the news?
I mean, people would see that you're entertaining the news,
putting it in an entertainment form. Some people might see
it that way.
FZ No, actually what I do with the news is I have the
ability to watch news from all different kinds of sources
and remember the details, and collate the details, and come
up with a conclusion other than which the people who own
the media want you to come away with. If you watch only
one news service you're not getting the full picture. They
try and tell you major world events in ten seconds, and you
can't do that. So what you have to do is compare different
outlets, compare their spins, compare that to print, and
then draw your conclusions. And also reinforce that by
first-hand conversations with people who might be there or
might know something about it. I generally don't have
access to those kinds of people when it's applied to U.S.
politics, but in terms of things going on in other
countries the information we receive here about what
happens outside the U.S. is really quite thin. And since I
do travel around it's easy for me to talk to people in the
different countries and say what really happened. And to
that extent I know more about foreign events than the
average guy in the United States because I have some way
to...
BM Direct access to the experiences.
FZ Yeah, to develop the picture a little bit. In fact, I
got some extra information just last night on things that
are happening in South America. It puts me in a situation
where the political part of my brain is looking at the
world and saying, "I see trends developing and they're
really horrible", and the musician part of my brain says,
"I would really like to be just sitting in that room in
there working on the Synclavier because that's more fun
than anything else". And I spend my day trying to put
these two parts of my brain together, and usually what
happens is that at the end of the work-period there will be
a product that comes out that is a combination of those two
parts of my brain: what I know about what's going on in
the world, plus what I like to do with music
BM That's the process of resolving the dilemma of being a
musical specialist in an information surround that makes
you in touch with so many things.
FZ Yeah.
BM And then you add your particular slant to it through
your own sources.
FZ Yeah.
BM That's
and I was
political
sure, you
what I was interested in, you as a journalist,
wondering which was more prominent: the
or the musical. But you're saying you're not
work out where you...
FZ At this point they seem to be about 50-50. It's not
exactly like being Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but it's hard
for me to go in there and just work on music and forget
about what's really going on in the world. I can't do it.
I can't take what I know and throw it away and say, "Well,
I just won't care anymore because I can't do anything about
it." First of all, I think I might be able to do something
about it, and just because I might, I have to keep thinking
about it. So, there's no easy way to dispose of it.
BM So your activity dealing with the PMRC, I guess from '85
to '87, was not a radical departure from your interests. It
was how you manifested that dilemma for yourself. That was
the most immediate concern that you could deal with. You
had to go political at that point.
FZ I wouldn't say that was even going political.
civic obligation because I saw...
That was a
BM Well, that's what I mean by "political". Do you mean
something else? Do you mean propagandistic by "political"?
FZ No, we have a little semantic problem here because
usually the way I talk about politics is in one sense and
I've said this many times in interviews: politics is the
entertainment branch of industry. When I talk about my
political thoughts, I'm not talking about being part of the
entertainment branch of industry. I'm talking more about
policy in action. In other words, somebody has to decide to
do certain things or not do certain things, and hopefully
the person makes that decision has made the decision based
on accurate information. The problem with most of the
decisions of the last eight years in the Reagan
Administration is they're all ideologically based and very
seldom have the policy decisions been based on practicality,
or far long-range thinking. It's just been based on whether
or not the rhetoric that appears in the news that day is in
phase with conservative ideology, or appeasement to certain
interest groups. It's not good politics in the true sense
of the word. And another political act that you have to
bear in mind is as long as people have the right to vote,
the vote should be cast in a situation where the person with
the ballot in his hand has access to enough information to
make a practical decision. And that's where I come in. If
I can provide an extra dimension of information which may,
through this interview or through a record or some other
way, get out to a person with a ballot in his hand, I'm
doing a public service by providing compilations of data
that the news won't give you. It's not that they can't give
it to you, they won't give it to you. So, that's the way I
think about politics the way I'm involved in it.
BM Taking a statement that you made to Warner Brothers in
1971 in a pamphlet called "Hey, Snazzy Execs": "We make a
special art in an environment hostile to dreamers" [3]...
FZ That's right. The environment that is hostile to
dreamers is always the environment that is run by right-wing
administrations because in order for the right-wing
administration to maintain its fiction, it has to be
ideologically pure and that ideology does not admit for
creativity. There is nothing creative about a right-wing
administration. The whole goal of it is to freeze time and
to move things backward. So, obviously the people who are
most at risk, whenever there is a right-wing administration
sitting in place, is anybody who is an intellectual dreamer
or creative person in any field. They are at risk because
they pose a threat to the administration.
BM But you were quite vocal about certain left-wing
elements in the Sixties.
FZ I don't think that the left wing is anything to invest
in. I think that the left wing has probably done as much
damage as any other kind of political force. I think common
sense is the way to go. There's no ideology for common
sense. It's easy to talk about politics in terms of right
and left wing because that's the way the news portrays it.
And so to a degree, if I talk about political things I have
to use the common parlance so people understand it. But I
think of myself as a person devoted to practical and
commonsense solutions to things that are real problems, and
they oftentimes sound weird if suggested simply because
people are so attached to the ideological ramblings of the
right or the ideological ramblings of the left. They think
that you have to choose between these two extremes. On the
left you've got Communism. Well, Communism doesn't work.
It absolutely doesn't work, and on the right you have
Fascism and that doesn't work either.
BM So both environments are hostile to dreamers.
political ideologies...
Both
FZ No, because the difference here is that the left has
often employed artists and creative people in order to
further their goals. For the right-wing administration, the
artists and dreamers are a threat to their way of life. And
for the left-wing guys, the artists and dreamers are
propaganda. So there's a danger coming from both
directions. One side would like to snuff you out and the
other side would like to co-opt you and usurp you in order
to have you do stuff and promote their ideals. So, anybody
who's got an imagination has to watch out for both sides.
There's only one place where you're safe and that's in the
middle.
BM You think you could work with a creatively sympathetic
group like the leftists and keep them on their toes. You
wouldn't be co-opted and it'd be better than a
right-wing...
FZ I'm not interested in working with any leftist
organization I tell you the truth. I've said it many
times...
BM
No, I mean work in their environment.
FZ No, fuck their environment because I refuse to be used
by any of those people.
BM But you emphasized at the beginning that the right wing
was more threatening for you.
FZ The right would like to put you out of business and the
left would like to hire you, and I'm not for hire. I don't
think that anybody who has a truly individualistic way of
evaluating the world of a creative urge to do unique stuff
needs to be snuffed out or hired. You should be free to do
what your abilities will allow you to do because it is only
when you are free to do that, the benefits of what you can
build will be distributed to those parts of the society who
will find your work useful. Really creative people don't
work good as employees.
BM But you're saying there is more of a threat in the
right-wing environment.
FZ
Yeah, that's the threat of death.
BM You think of yourself as having common sense. Would you
define the word "art" as a sensory training for common-sense
perceptions or is that too dramatic?
FZ I think the word "art" has been pretty much flogged into
porridge. Today you hear the word "art" and you think of
people who do paintings and have their work admired by rich
people at cocktail parties, and it conjures up a world of
phony stuff, and I don't participate in that world. I'm
happy that it's there for the people who like it. It's a
nice form of entertainment for them but to me that's not
what it's all about. I don't think that training people to
consume art in that sense makes them any more sensitive, or
more highly developed or refined in any way. It doesn't
make them a better person, it just makes them a dupe for a
bogus way of life. That art world really is a way of
abusing the people who made the art in the first place. The
best example is the common
for the gallery owner, 40%
worst rock and roll record
of a reaming. So, so much
Soho gallery split of 60-40: 60%
for the artist. I mean, in the
contract you don't get that kind
for the art world.
BM I think way back about 1970 in the New York Times you
said that "my work is art" [4]. I think you meant "art" in
a different way there.
FZ Yeah. If I think of it as being a pure expression of who
I am, what I do and what I think, that's fine and I'll call
it "art", but I'll call it "art" privately. I mean, you've
gotta understand, I'm not walking around with an art banner
in my hand. The problem with communicating with anybody in
the English language is that so much damage has been done to
the language itself by advertisers, by political campaigns,
that the words themselves have been mutated to the point
where you have to choose them really carefully because even
if in fact it is "art", you don't way to say it's "Art"
because the negative connotations of calling it "art" puts a
weird spin on what you're saying. So I generally try and
avoid any connection with that word just because it impedes
the process of trying to get your point across. If you're
going to talk to somebody, you want to talk to them in a
language they can understand using words that they're
familiar with. That should be a goal for communication and
"art" is one of the bad words these days.
BM In other words, you target an audience for the point you
want to get across.
FZ
Yeah.
BM That's the traditional art of rhetoric in classical
education. I don't know if you came across that. It's a
rhetorical technique.
FZ I didn't have a classical education so I don't know it
from these things.
BM Alright. So, one would say that your emphasis is
rhetorical, not in the modern propagandistic sense, but
targeting an audience, not necessarily for the whole album,
but particular songs, in a musical sense.
FZ Well, "targeting" is the wrong word because that
presumes that it's narrowcasting. It's not. What I have to
do is make an assumption about the comprehension abilities
of the people that would be the likely consumers for what I
do. In other words, I have to conjure up in my brain an
imaginary picture of who the guy is, how smart he is, how
many references he might have that I can make through
metaphorical references in a work. I have to have some sort
of a plan, O.K. And then once I've made that model, I can
then decide, as I'm writing the piece, if this is going to
whiz over his head, going to whiz past him, or what it is.
And if so, should it go in there anyway or should I change
it and say it blunt?
BM
That's part of your composing process?
FZ Yeah, and in order to arrive at that imaginary model of
the person who is listening to the stuff, it's not based on
thin air. I mean, I actually talk to the people who are
fans for what I do. I've met them, I've talked to them, I
have some idea of what their desires are. I know what they
like, what they don't like, and to the extent that I have
personal contact with them, that's the data that went into
building the model.
BM Although, you do say that all your music is an extension
of you, but you also say that the audience is the employer
in other quotes.
FZ That's true, but the music is an extension of me but the
"me" is an entity that knows certain things. Part of what I
know is what the audience is interested in and so that
doesn't seem incongruous at all. The audience employs me to
entertain them. By purchasing an album, you have hired me
to entertain you for forty minutes, or whatever it is that's
in the album, and my goal is to do that in a way that is
going to be useful to you.
BM I remember there was a quote back about 1970:
is getting off on this beyond his or her wildest
comprehensions" [5]
"Someone
FZ I've had letters from people saying, "It was me!
me!"
BM
It was
I think I claimed that to you in 1985 myself
FZ "Look at my head!
me! I can prove it!"
The top of my head is gone!
It was
BM "I'm dead!" (both laughing). What did you think you
meant in targeting that or was that just a general
principle?
FZ You have to have an average of what is going on out
there and when you opt to do the thing that is going to whiz
over most people's heads, you know that there's going to be
a certain percentage in there that will be tall enough where
it's going to get them right in the middle of their head.
BM That's targeting.
FZ
Yeah, that's the targeting.
You see, I don't know too
many of those kinds of people who really get it all. That
would be the truly rare individual. Because in order for
them to get it all they have to know what I know. Which
means, not that I'm so smart, but I've had experiences that
they haven't had just because people are unique. So, nobody
gets 100% but if anybody ever got 60%, they'd be in big
trouble.
BM
"Big trouble"?
FZ
Yeah.
Is that a facetious remark?
BM I think it was on HOT RATS that you said: "This is a
movie for your ears". Do you remember that phrase.
FZ
Yeah.
BM A rather intelligent critic at that time, not known by
many people, described your work up to that point as "a
visualization of a kaleidoscope of textures" [6]. If one
juxtaposes the word "visualization" with your early
statement that your work "incorporates any available visual
medium, consciousness, of all participants (including
audience", which we've talked about, "all perceptual
deficiencies", and a few other points, why do you say "any
available visual medium" Since most people would think of
you as a musician. [7]
FZ That's only because they don't know what I can do in the
other medium. I've always been able to manipulate pictures
since I first got hold of a pencil and paper. I started off
drawing before I could...
BM
Before you had music in your head?
FZ Yeah, and there was no music in our household when I was
a kid. I came to it late, but I've always been interested
in the way in which pictures work with music and the problem
about doing more of it is that a visual medium is a far more
expensive medium that the audio medium. An independent guy
can afford to make an album easier than he can afford to
make a movie, or then he can afford to make a video, and
have some quality in it. So there's only occasionally that
i can scrape up enough money to do a project that involves
pictures and music. So that part of my work is less known
than the records that I have out and that's one of the
reasons for putting Honker Home Video together because at
least with that company, some of the things that I've done
working with visual stuff can be gotten out to the public.
BM But with the phrase "movie for your ears", you emphasize
the visual. Is the "conceptual continuity" a movie?
FZ
No, because in order to make it complete, you have to
involve what you see.
It's a total sensory thing.
BM Is that your definition of music?
senses?
It includes all
FZ If you get to the other definition of music that I use
when I'm working on my stuff, it means the organization of
any data.
BM
Visual, acoustic, smells...
FZ Yeah, choreography, anything, any data. So long as you
say to yourself, "I'm now making a musical composition of
this stuff", the composition can include stuff that's living
in this ashtray, whatever it is. So long as you willfully
organize it into that object that you're making. That's the
criteria that I would use.
BM That would be a criterion that's modern, a product of
television because television uses all data. I always
thought it was interesting that you had yourself in a TV
screen on FREAK OUT! The cover image has always struck me
as a colour TV image, the colouring...
FZ Oh yeah.
on.
Well, that's not what the intent was, but go
BM You had the lines, it looked like a damaged colour TV
(laughs), the colouring. But you did not intend that?
FZ No.
BM O.K., I projected that anyway. But I find it
interesting. I don't think earlier composers would talk
about using all data in the way you're doing unless there
have been... you can correct me.
FZ As far as I know, I don't think there's anybody that has
worked in contemporary composition that has the familiarity
with the technical side that I do. I'm not talking about
electronic music composers. I'm talking about just a
general knowledge of all different...
BM Media?
FZ Yeah, just every tool that you can use. If I can't get
in with a soldering iron and fix it or build it, I certainly
know how to use it and what some uses might be of the tool
that the guy who invented it never imagined. One of my
specialties is taking existing off-the-shelf stuff and
twisting it to do something that the guy who manufactured it
never thought it would be used for. That's a hobby.
BM
Weren't you asked to name the band "Mothers of
Invention"?
You were asked to add on "of Invention"?
FZ Yeah. Well, we were just told we couldn't use the name
"Mothers".
BM So you suggested "Mothers of Invention".
FZ
Yeah.
BM But that was an accurate statement of your talents - to
be able to work with many technologies. Were you aware of
that at the time?
FZ That wasn't the reason for sticking it on there. It was
just a practical decision that had to be made at the time of
the FREAK OUT! album because they were refusing to release
the album. It was so stupid. You can imagine the A&R
department at Verve Records saying, "We can't release this
record because no disc jockey will play a song by 'The
Mothers' on the radio". Well, no disc jockey would play the
content of the record no matter what the name of the group
was. You could have called it "The Smelts" or something,
they still wouldn't have played it. But that's the way it
was. People were just afraid. I guess they're still
afraid.
BM I'm going to move into your role as a symbolist.
know the Symbolist group in art history?
FZ No, I'm not familiar with Art history.
it.
Do you
Tell me about
BM Well, the Symbolists broke up normal images and reformed
them, juxtaposed them.
FZ
Is this based on Jung?
BM No, this was before him. This was a hundred years ago
with poets like Rimbaud and Baudelaire. Literary
historians grouped them into this movement called the
Symbolists. There was a man who wrote a book at the turn of
this century called "The Symbolist Movement in Literature".
He tagged that name on them, but it was the emphasis on a
symbol as the primary focus or motif in one's art.
FZ Well, I suppose I belong in there. Anybody who has said
as much as I have about poodles ought to have some sort of a
recommendation in that group. But it wasn't because I
decided to join a movement.
BM Maybe there are historical forces, ways of thinking that
you tapped into and continued a tradition unconsciously. I
mean, from the critic's point of view. I think it was Miles
who was the first one who wrote about your repetition of
motifs in his early articles in the late Sixties. I
remember one of his questions from International Times where
he asked "Is there an IDEA behind your work?" [8]. It was
capitalized in the newspaper. And I think that's what I'm
trying to get at.
FZ That's simple. It's that the Emperor's not wearing any
clothes, never has, never will.
BM
What is the Emperor?
FZ
Fill in the blank. (laughs)
BM So the idea is that you're making a symbol that allows
other people to participate in it.
FZ That's audience participation on a grand scale.
like name your poison. Why, that's almost elegant.
BM
It's
What is?
FZ Structuring something the way that people get to
participate in it by adding their missing ingredient. It's
like, be your own catalyst.
BM That is a tradition that T.S. Eliot, Joyce and Pound
articulated. When people asked Eliot the meaning of the
poem, he would shrug his shoulders, and then they would give
what they thought it meant and...
FZ He would say they're right.
BM
Yes, Eliot would say, "You're right".
FZ Well you see, I didn't have that kind of an education.
I have no knowledge of the history of art or poetry, or any
of that kind of stuff. It never interested me. I think
that it's nice that it's there for people who want it, but I
never studied it. I don't know anything about that. I just
did my own stuff. If it happens to be similar to other
things that other people have done, fine. I can't help
that. But it's not like I went to college to learn about
all these people who did bitchin' stuff through the years
and decided to go out and do that. That is not interesting
to me. All I can say is, "Yeah, they're doing it right".
BM You would agree with that method. You don't know why you
wanted to create in that method. Is it because you wanted
to say, "I'm a nice guy. I'll include you". Is there a
democratic impulse there?
FZ
No. I think the jury's still out on democracy as a...
BM
Viable institution?
FZ That's right. You know, I keep referring back to the
book that I had when I was in high school in our civics
class. It was called "Democracy: The American Experiment"
and...
BM
We're still studying...
FZ I think we're still experimenting and right now it looks
like some of the ingredients they put in don't really work.
BM
People might ask, "Why the dog image?"
FZ I don't even know how that got started. There are
certain absurd things about a poodle as a species unto
itself. What especially women have decided to do to poodles
is probably something that if there were a big guy on the
cloud who meted out punishment at the time of your demise,
that there would be a lot of women that would be tortured
forever in the Lake of Fire for things that they have
decided to inflict on poodles. So, that's a pretty good
metaphor there if you really think about...
BM
For perverse creativity?
FZ No. Look, a poodle is born. It's got hair evenly
distributed all over its small, piquant, canine-type body.
Figure it out. They don't start looking weird until some
woman decides that she wants to shape all that stuff to make
it look like a walking shrubbery. Now, that tells you two
things: that the dog's co-operative and that the woman's
got some problems.
BM The "mother of invention" has some problems.
inventing.
FZ Yeah, but did she invent something good?
partially denuded, small animal is good?
She's
Do you think a
BM It seems some people like it, so we have to allow them
to have that choice or enjoyment.
FZ Yeah, but doesn't the poodle have some rights here? I
mean, we're trying to save the whales. They're stuck up
there. There are three whales with their noses sticking out
of a hole. Now the Russians want to send an ice-breaker.
It's three hundred miles away, the Russians are going to
save the whales. What about the poodles? Who's doing
anything for the poodles?
BM
Right, save the poodles?
CD Who's plucking the poodles?
FZ What?
BM Who's plucking the poodles? Who's plooking? Who's
plucking? (all laughing). To me that's a symbol of your
journalistic work of putting out information for Americans
who are getting plooked and need to be...
FZ Unplooked?
BM
Yeah.
FZ I think they do need to be unplooked, but the problem
with Americans is they have this self-image of "We're so
nice, we're so fair, we're so honest, we always take the
high road." If only it were true, this would be heaven on
earth, but it's not true. And when you see two hundred and
forty million people willingly deluding themselves with this
idea that they're somehow God's chosen people, I find that
to be a huge... Continental bad mental health is what it is.
BM That's the "cheese" that you talked about in your
Newsweek "editorial" they wouldn't print? [9]
FZ Yeah. How can we be so foolish as to think that we've
got it all? We certainly don't. And anybody who ever
travelled for twenty minutes and kept his eyes open must
realize that no country has got everything. You just don't
have it. The major deficiency in the United States seems to
be that it's got a history that only goes back a couple of
hundred years and that history itself is riddled with
corruption, it is riddled with exploitation. You name it,
we have exploited it and it's not exactly something to be
proud of. If whatever we have achieved we had come by it
honestly we'd be in a lot better shape, but really we
haven't. We've abused a lot of people not only here in our
own country but around the world, and then gone to church to
smooth it over and had some guy say, "Yes, we're God's
chosen people and this is our Manifest Destiny - to be the
peacekeepers for the world". I wonder, with this aesthetic
that they have in the United States, whether we don't have
the right to inflict in on anybody else. I believe that we
certainly don't have the right to inflict it. But even if
we had the right, would that other person benefit from
becoming more like us? Countries that have cultures that go
back thousands and thousands of years, and we walk in and we
want to give them Coca Cola. Why?
BM You're speaking as an American Citizen. There would
probably many people in other countries who feel that their
fellow citizens are a bit deluded, too patriotic about their
cultural values. So you're speaking as an American citizen.
FZ Well, I think that the American situation is probably
more critical than, say, the guy from Borneo who believes
that we are where it's at. At least the guy from Borneo
isn't going around doing some tricks in Central America and
wherever else we've got little covert operations going on.
He's not trying to inflict his values on another society.
Whereas, especially through the missionary procedure coming
out from the United States, we have spread the poison of our
ignorance to other cultures, to the detriment of those
cultures, almost since this place was founded. America was
founded by the refuse of the religious fanatics of England,
these undesirable elements that came over on the Mayflower.
Ignorant, religious fanatics who land here, abuse the
Indians, and then go to bed with a board down the middle,
you know, the bundling board, so they don't have sex.
That's how we got started. And when we think back to our
Founding Fathers, they don't ever talk about the Founding
Mothers. It might be a little bit too risque. They didn't
want to have too much to do with them, anyway. Because
what kind of a woman wants to take a ride on a wooden boat
in the middle of winter, anyway? Not probably something you
want to see in Playboy magazine. The way we got started and
what we have turned into, and our desire to inflict it on
other people all over the world, I think is a tragedy. And
something big is going to happen in 1992 when Europe, ifthey
can get their act together, if they can organize themselves
the way that they are trying to do and kind of be the United
States of Europe, as a consumer bloc and as a manufacturing
bloc, is going to be larger than the United States. That's
three hundred and thirty million people or something like
that, that make products that work.
BM Yes, and that is the impetus for "free trade". I think
the Canadian businessmen know that they've got to get
together with the United States to compete with this bloc
that's coming up.
FZ Well, here's the thing. What they make in Europe, those
products seem to be more desirable than the products that
are made elsewhere, except for Japan. Japan, as we all
know, makes stuff that everybody wants.
BM You mean now, on the world market, Europe's products are
very desirable?
FZ Yeah. And if the United States continues the way it's
going, like thriving on rhetoric rather than on practical
solutions, in four years when they've got their United
States of Europe, we will have slid even further. And the
United States is going to be in a very vulnerable position,
even if it makes an alliance with Canada in order to make a
large bloc, because the size of the bloc doesn't increase
the quality of your product. It just means more people
sharing the absence of trade barriers to buy more stuff from
someplace else. Right now the United States is two hundred
and forty million people dumb enough to buy anything that
anybody sells them and smart enough not to buy their own
stuff, O.K. And that is not something that you can continue
for a century. You can't go for a hundred years just buying
everybody else's stuff. Sooner or later you're going to
have to redevelop the product base in the United States so
that we buy our own stuff and that our commodities become
valuable to people elsewhere. This trade imbalance is not a
joke. It has long-range implications that could be very
severe. And for every American that dreams of the American
way of life and owning your own little home with the white
picket fence and living next door to somebody who looks like
Jimmy Stewart, they ain't going to get it.
BM I remember you talking a few years ago about theinability
of Europe to come together - the tribal hostilities that go
back centuries. [10]
FZ
That's right.
BM And you preferred the basic unity in America. That was
a value you admired in Americans who are in the structure
here. You are talking again as a citizen about the threat
of what's going to happen in Europe. It may help you, might
be good for you if you buy the products and it helps your
musical apparatus but...
FZ No, I didn't say either of those two things. I'm
talking generally about the difference between Europe the
way it is now, haking it out with intertribal debates that
have been going on for a couple of thousand years, and
having the opportunity to blend some of that stuff together
in 1992 to give that whole region the kind of cohesion that
the United States would have under ideal conditions. I'm
making a comment about that. And meanwhile, I would say
that the reverse is happening in the United States. We are
breaking up into regions. It's the North versus the South,
and the East versus the West, very much in politics and
every other thing. We're moving apart.
BM I saw a book that came out a few years ago, "The Nine
Nations of North America." It breaks it down like that, the
different regions. And Marshall McLuhan predicted this
fragmentation that would come to the United States and doom
the United States to be a bunch of little bickering ministates. You see that coming, also.
FZ I see it. Let me tall you about another trend that I
see as long as we're talking trends here. The amount of
money that is generated by cocaine that flows directly into
the hands of the cartels that make the cocaine is, right
now, translating into political power. And over the next,
say, twenty-five to fifty years will translate into even
more political power for those people. They will transcend
governments. Because there is something that I heard about
last night, that I imagined could happen, and it turns out I
was right. This friend of mine who's spent some time in
Brazil verifies the fact that the cocaine cartels have gone
into the worst slums in Brazil and played Robin Hood to the
people there. They're giving them cocaine profits to give
them clothes and set up these little fiefdoms. Basically
what they've created is an army of people who are willing to
protect them. The police can't even go into those slums
because they're at risk. Those slums are literally under
the control of the guy from Colombia with a bag of money in
his hand. Now as a test balloon, I would say what's
happened in Rio with that would indicate to any good
businessman, and I would presume that these cocaine guys are
good businessmen, that that's the way to go. Think of every
place in the world where you have an underclass - it's poor
and it'ing ing pushed down by the middleclass, directly
above in the case of the United States, or the upper crust
that does all their bad stuff. Who is going to take care of
these people? In the United States you've got a homeless
underclass that's developing that is unprecedented. If the
cocaine cartel came into the United States and helped the
homeless, what do you think would happen to the War on Drugs
here? Playing Robin Hood is easy when you got that kind of
a profit base. It is so peculiar to think about that and I
predict that there is going to be more of that happening all
over the world. It doesn't cost that much to give people a
little something to eat and a little something to wear.
When they've got nothing, anything looks good. You don't
have to be a major benefactor - just give them a little
present and you're a good guy.
BM Two people who predicted that, too, were Mae Brussell and
a person who is running for President of the United States,
Lyndon LaRouche. He has mapped that out. His magazines are
very good for charting these cocaine cartels. Would you
support a President who wants to fight that trend or a
Presidential candidate who's honest about that?
FZ I certainly wouldn't support Lyndon LaRouche. I'll say
that if he has information that backs up what I just heard
from a guy who was down there, then I credit him for having
at least one piece of good information. That seems a little
better than saying that the Queen of England is involved in
the drug traffic, which is another one of his favourite...
BM That's the way the media present him. I've read his
literature and he doesn't say that. He says that those old
banking networks allow this laundering of dope money to
happen through their banks and don't take action which he
claims he would do.
FZ Well, what he's done, he's taken some things which
actually are facts and said them in a way that makes them
sound ridiculous. Because of the banking laws in England it
is possible that especially British banking concerns and
British off-shore banking concerns have been deeply involved
in money laundering. In fact, some of their branches set up
in Miami are involved in it. We're just now beginning to
see how this stuff works, but the other thing that ought to
be said is that these people who make the billions from
cocaine also finance right-wing governments. You know why?
Because as long as the right-wing governments are in
operation, their drugs are going to be illegal and as long
as they're illegal, they're going to make more profits. It
is so twisted.
BM
Like the pornography racket.
FZ
That's right.
BM But what if LaRouche is taking on this issue? He's the
only politician who's doing that. That's commendable, isn't
it?
FZ No. I wouldn't say that Lyndon LaRouche is commendable
by any stretch of the imagination. I believe, although he
hasn't been convicted yet, that the whole business with the
credit cards and the rest of that scam, that's not
commendable. That's the end justifies the means. That's
not commendable.
BM Right. But what if certain people have a control over
the media and can distort the public's perception of
LaRouche, and that there are even people infiltrating his
organization to do the credit fraud because he's the only
one taking on this most present, pressing problem that you
predicted or that you see coming?
FZ I don't think that he's really taking it on. I don't see
him taking it on. I see him stating some facts that any
trend spotter could state if you saw it. The way I arrived
at it was: I just start with the premise - follow the
money. You know, the old Iran-Contra "follow the money".
(Both laughing) Now, if somebody's got money, what do you do
with it? Answer number one: you go for power. Now, where
do you get the power? Power comes from might. The might is
either going to be in large armaments or in large armies.
Now, where's a man, with a buck in his hand to spend who
wanted power, going to get an army? The answer is simple:
any slum. And then, just by chance, last night I talked
with this guy who had been in Brazil and he said that's what
they're doing down there. O.K., why? Now, Lyndon LaRouche
may see this same trend. I don't see Lyndon LaRouche out
there fighting it. I see Lyndon LaRouche doing a credit
card scam. That's what I see. If I had other information,
I would see something else. I don't.
BM But you're relying...
FZ I've seen LaRouche on television. I've seen him being
interviewed and he does not come across to me as a guy that
I would trust at all. I don't buy Lyndon LaRouche.
BM This is an example of a political concern of yours that
you wrestle with daily that we talked about at the beginning
of the interview. How much do you want to take on to deal
with this trend? Do you have any personal strategies for
stopping that or do you think that the force is so large
there is little you could do?
FZ The only way that I can see to reduce the influence of
something that would behave like a government, cross
international boundaries but not be a government in the
sense that people elected it, the only way that you can
reduce the influence of that creeping mess is to legalize
the substances and cut their economic base. Now, let's talk
about the drug problem. Drugs do not become a problem until
the person who uses the drugs does something to you, or does
something that would affect your life that you don't want to
have happen to you, like an airline pilot who crashes
because he was full of drugs. That's a drug problem. I
believe that people have the right to commit suicide. You
can stick a gun in your mouth. You can stick a needle in
your arm. You can do whatever you want, but you own your
own body. I think you do. Drugs become a problem when the
person who uses them turns into an asshole, and they also
become a problem when the person who manufactures and
distributes them turns into a politician. That's the drug
problem. Now, you want to fight the drug problem. You have
to be realistic about what the problem is. The substance
itself is not immoral. Without cocaine you're going to have
a hell of a time at the dentist's office. You can't say,
"We have to burn ever coca plant". Otherwise, no more
Novocaine, buddy.
BM The dental hygiene dilemma
FZ Yeah. So there are things that you have to consider.
There are the fine, little points. The problem is that the
public gets saturated with the rhetoric about "just say no
to drugs, there's a drug problem", and this and that and it
puts it into a context where it becomes a moral menace.
It's not a moral problem. It is an economic problem. It is
a social problem. It is a mental health problem. And it
can be a matter of physical danger to you when you have
people who have life-and-death control over other people,
who are users and they can endanger the life, like a
physician, who might use drugs, who might give you the wrong
kind of an operation. Or different ways the person who uses
the chemical can fuck up your life. That's what you've got
to look out for, but the substance itself is neither here
nor there, and the person has as much right to drink a beer
as he does to use the substance. The only difference is we
have prohibition now of these certain substances. If you'll
let your mind drift back to the time there was prohibition
against alcohol, think of what happened. Remember: those
who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Without Carry
Nations, every Italian in the Mafia would be out of business
right now. It was Carry Nations who put them into business.
Because there was the law of supply and demand. People
wanted to drink beer. They wanted to drink gin and a few
guys say, "Hey, I don't care, I'm going to supply the
demand", and they became billionaires. And they eventually
found out and people got killed for years all during
Prohibition. The machine gun was busy. People were dying
because they wanted a beer, and the government literally
could not enforce the prohibition on alcohol. And in the
time that they had this moral law to keep people from
drinking alcohol, they managed to create the empire of
organized crime. And the same thing is happening with
cocaine. A guy in the jungle with a swami shirt on some
place is going to wind up ruling half the world because
somebody decided that cocaine was a moral problem. Cocaine
used to be an ingredient in Coca Cola. Was it a moral
problem then?
BM That's well-spoken, and that distinguishes the
difference between you and LaRouche because he thinks the
solution is to continue banning them.
FZ
It won't work.
BM And that feeds the problem. Yes, you've made that
clear. I'd like to go into the satire you do. You
emphasize and you're known for, a polyrhythmic approach to
composing. I read a recent interview where you talked about
working with harmonic, melodic and rhythmic elements [11],
but in earlier interviews I've noticed you emphasizing the
mutirhythms, the polyrhythms. Do you see that society is
hypnotized by a beat, by a rhythm, by a hypnosis that you
feel that you can shake up with your polyrhythms?
FZ It's real simple but real complicated at the same time.
There are certain basic natural rhythms. How often does the
moon become full? Once a month, O.K. That's a rhythm.
When does the tide come in? When does it go out? That's a
rhythm. What is your heartbeat rate? That's a rhythm.
Call those natural rhythms. You don't think about them but
they're there. There is also an average tempo at which
people conduct their lives. That is a rhythm. If that
average didn't exist, then people wouldn't know whether or
not they were going fast or going slow because those are
terms which are used to compare to an average. "I'm having
a slow day". That means that you're behaving less than your
imaginary average rhythm. "I'm really getting a lot done
today". You're going faster than your imaginary average.
Now, music, the way in which it connects with human
behaviour, takes into account the implications of these
universal natural rhythms. Certain types of music reinforce
them. Disco music, for example, is banging you over the
head and reinforcing your factory rhythm. Anything that
deviates from that reinforcement of your factory rhythm
could be perceived as rhythmically dissonant. So, if
you understand the whole idea of dissonance, dissonance when
resolved is like having an itch and getting to scratch it.
Dissonance when it's unresolved is like having a headache
for
life. So, the most interesting music as far as I'm
concerned is music in which dissonance is created, sustained
for the proper amount of time, and resolved and got your
scratch and next case. So, the concept of dissonance in my
work works on a lot of different levels. You can have
rhythmic dissonance. Any rhythm which goes against the
grain of a natural rhythm is going to be disturbing for the
period at which the dissonance exists. But once you get
back to that downbeat, you can then look back and say, "Hey,
that was quite fascinating what happened there. I didn't
know that you could squeeze all those beats into that one
factory cycle". O.K. Same thing with harmony. Certain
chords, when you hear them, it's like, "Ah, we're now
relaxed because all the harmonics have lined up from here to
there and it's all complete, and it's like a nice big C
major chord". Like the drone that they give you in the New
Age music that just makes your brain sit still. That's
the reason it makes your brain sit still. It's like, it's
all there, there's nothing else to do. It's done. Now, how
long can you listen to that. A long time if you're closely
related to a jellyfish. But if you, in that harmonic
environment, include some irritating notes, notes which are
not part of the harmonic structure, so long as the note then
moves to one of the partials in that static chord - like
certain notes want to move upward, some want to move
downward, some can actually live in there at a lower volume
and just be like a pollutant in the chord, giving texture to
the chord. All that stuff is part of the skill of writing
music. But unless you understand why you're doing it, and
how long it lasts is very important too because it's only
interesting for a certain period of time, then after that
it's obnoxious. That's what I do when I put stuff together.
Same thing with words. You have to understand the overall
concepts of natural rhythms, things which exist that people
take for granted, and the idea that one can create an
artificial irritation for a certain period of time to give a
pleasurable sensation when it stops. It's like the kid
banging himself with the hammer: "Why are you doing that" "Because it feels good when I stop". And in medicine it's
like people who want to be young again, they go in and get
their face sand-blasted. That probably doesn't feel very
good, but when it's all over, they look like Mick Jagger.
BM I remember an interview you did for a television station
in Toronto, the one where you, disguised as a journalist,
asked Frank Zappa, "What do you really want to know?" And
Frank Zappa answered, "What time is it?" [12] Now, that is
what you've just explained - the importance of timing, and
time, and the model of the audience you're targeting, and
what you're trying to create. So, that is what you want to
know - what time it is.
FZ I think that's what everybody wants to know if you get
right down to it.
BM You mean on the personal level?
"meet their Maker"?
If they're going to
FZ No, I don't think people really give a shit about that
unless they're completely bamboozled by religious
superstition - to live your life in planning for this good
time you're going to have in the sky. There are certain
religions which emphasize that more than others. I believe
the Mormons have this proposition where if you're a good Mormon
man, your reward is you get to have your own planet and it will
be populated with women who will do whatever you
want them to do. Now, that's a strong incentive for a
certain weak-minded man to join that religion.
BM That must be Top Secret.
I haven't hear that one.
FZ You haven't heard that one? Well, there's a lot of good
Mormon stuff. Did you know that caffeine is one of the big
no-no's?
BM Really?
FZ You didn't know that? "Don't drink coffee". You can't
drink Coca Cola or any of that kind of stuff. That was
written in the Book until they bought into Coca Cola. And
suddenly this one particular form of caffeine was O.K. and
now Mormons get high on Coca Cola. That's their big thrill.
BM What did you mean by "time" when you said everybody wants
to know what time it is? What's the context of that
statement?
FZ This goes back to what I was just telling about the
natural rhythms.
BM You mean that's health, you're talking health.
FZ Yeah, in a twisted way, sure it is health.
BM
O.K., then say it your way
FZ No, I'm trying to see it that way.
BM Like being comfortable.
FZ You're comfortable when you are in phase with all of the
rhythms. If you spend too much time moving too slow, you
are out of phase with your factory rate, your factory set
rhythm. You spend too much time moving too fast, you're out
of phase with your factory rate. You have to spend a
certain amount of time at rate.
BM That's the consensus of the community, I guess, or the
environment you're working in.
FZ And also based on your own personal metabolism.
BM You don't mean the factory you're working for?
FZ No, factory rate is like a product that's set at the
factory. They turn a little screw and then they put some
stuff over it so they can't touch the screw anymore..
That's the factory set rate, the calibration.
BM You're talking biology.
FZ Your biological clock. Your personal clock as indicated
by your personal chemistry as opposed to the phases of the
moon, all the rest of the cycles that are going on. That's
your rate. Your biology versus the cosmology. You've become
accustomed to that rate. You perform at a higher
rate, at Olympic level, or at a lower rate, quaalude level.
BM Homeless level.
FZ Right, whatever it is.
uncomfortable.
If you're not at rate, you're
BM And that would cause disease
FZ Rate is time.
"What time is it?"
BM But then you see how that relates to health because if
you're comfortable and you're satisfying your different
rate needs, you probably will be a more energetic, healthy
person.
FZ I don't know whether you're going to be more energetic,
but people talk a lot about stress. That's a big media
thing. Stress is the difference between your calibrated
rate and another rate at which you are forced to perform.
BM
"One size fits all" and that causes stress.
FZ I don't think so.
BM
Well, if you impose...
FZ "One size fits all" means that the Universe is the one
size. It fits all.
BM Oh, I see.
It's not imposed.
It adapts to everything.
FZ "Impose" is the wrong word. It exists and you can
consider the Universe an imposition if you're truly
arrogant, or you can just deal with it the way it is. Here,
it's a universe of rates. You have molecular rates. You
have large-scale rates. You have the expansion of the
Universe rate. You have the rate of atomic decay. You have
the rate of aging. You have all these rates. So, it's a
world of rates, and rates are time. Just so you really
understand it, the rate is the difference between when it
starts and when it ends. That's the rate. These are
cycles. A cycle is the way it goes up, the way it goes
down. That's one cycle. You know, it's pretty consistent
the way I look at stuff. But I seldom do interviews with
people where they ask me about any of these kind of things.
They usually want to know, "Well what about that Tipper
Gore?"
BM Yeah, I haven't heard you explain the Big Note before.
So it's coming out now because it's been evoked.
FZ Well... "evoked" (laughs)
BM Would you prefer to talk about these things more often?
FZ No, I don't think you need to say them all the time. I
think you need to say them once and then just have it out
there, and then on to the next case. I don't think that
it's something that anybody has to dwell on. I take these
things as facts. I live my life using these facts as the
guidepost to do my stuff. Somebody might hear me talking
about the rates and think it was the weirdest, dumbest thing
they ever heard in their life. I don't think that they are
correct. I think that if they thought about it for while,
they would see that there is some useful information in what
I"ve just told you, but I've known this stuff for a long
time and that's the way I do my work. That's just the way
it works. I don't see how you can ignore the rates. You
can't ignore time like that. Oh, the other thing that you
have to realize is time doesn't start here and end over
there. Everything happens all the time.
BM Is that a fact?
FZ That is a fact.
BM
All times, all cultures?
FZ All time.
Everything is happening all the time.
BM Our futures are happening now?
FZ And already happened before. Everything's happening all
the time. The reason I can say that is time depends on the
point from which you're looking at it. It only appears that
things are transpiring because we are here. If we were
someplace else, they would not have transpired yet. If you
could move your point of reference to the event taking
place, you could change the way in which you perceive the
event. So, if you could constantly change your location,
you could live the idea that everything is happening all the
time.
BM
People don't see themselves doing that.
FZ That's too bad. But they could. I think that one day
somebody's going to say, "Yeah, that's right." Now, if we
take that as the basic premise, then time travel is no
problem.
BM Is that "discorporate"? Is that what you meant on WE'RE
ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY?
FZ No, "discorporate" is talking about not being part of the
corporation. "Discorporate" normally means to leave your
body, but in the sense of that song, remember it says
"Unbind your mind, escape from the weight of your corporate
logo".
BM But that's leaving your body, your corporate body...
FZ Your corpse.
BM Yeah, your corpse. But now you're talking about moving
through time. I've heard mystics talk about what you just
said. You're saying that's a possibility. How could you
demonstrate that?
FZ You could demonstrate it if you were a really good
mathematician, I'm sure, which I'm not. That is something
that I just take on intuition. It seems to me that it is a
fact, and I will behave accordingly that everything is
happening all the time. And the only way that I could
attempt to aim somebody in the direction to prove it is:
when an event is taking place, it has a lot to do with the
position of the observer, and so if the event as a fact of
reality is to be discussed or dealt with, you must always
remember that the perception of the event is a byproduct of
the position from which the event was viewed, the position
in time and space. If you could modify your position in
time and space, then the event becomes something else. It
becomes a future event, or it becomes a past event,
depending on where you are. These are all relative
descriptive factors which have nothing to do with the actual
event. That's only words used to describe the event. So,
if we can just hop out of the bullshit for a minute and
imagine ourselves located someplace else observing the
event, the mystic procedure of telling the future, and the
rest of that stuff, looks a little bit easier just because a
person was able to relocate their consciousness and perceive
it from a different angle.
BM During our break, you mentioned something about George
Bush's campaign?
FZ The thing about Bush is, if in fact he has won the
election, then why is he still campaigning. And, if in fact
he has won the election, then wasn't there a payment of
forty-six million dollars that was either made to him, or
split between him and Dukakis, which is part of that fund
where everybody checks off a dollar on their income tax all this campaign money. If he's won the election, then why
is he still spending that money? Shouldn't he give it back?
I think that if he insists on spending that money, then he's
committing some kind of a fraud.
BM
Did you see the movie called Cover Up?
FZ Yeah, I saw it.
BM Barbara Honeeger is interviewed in it, but she was on a
local L.A. radio station and she mentioned some forty
million dollars. She also had on this former CIA man who
phoned in and revealed a lot of Bush's skeletons. Did you
hear that?
FZ No.
BM They talked about some forty million dollars.
talking about that?
Are you
FZ No, this is not secret money. This is from the
government. This is the straight-ahead matching funds that
the government handed over to both candidates just a little
while ago, and
the number I recall was forty-six million. And I don't know
whether it was forty-six for both, split down the middle, or
whether it was forty-six to Bush. But whatever it is, if
he's already won, then he shouldn't go out and throw his
granddaughter up in the air like we see him doing in the
commercials. You know, get off the campaign trail, get out
of the flag factory.
BM
But the election hasn't happened.
He hasn't won yet.
FZ
That's right.
So, let us bear that in mind.
BM
You mean the polls, the "pollstergeists".
FZ
Yeah, the "pollstergeists".
That's right.
BM But there are so many people who would express that
view. They're quite fed up with the polls. There's a
massive sense of frustration.
FZ The people who are fed up with the polls are the people
who are already smart enough to see through the bullshit to
begin with. The people who are bamboozled by the polls are
the ones that are most likely to vote for Bush. It's the
whole idea that Americans think a winner is so terrific, and
if you put the little winner's crown on one guy before the
election, the day after the election, you want to make sure
you voted for the guy who won. Because when you talk to
your buddies when they slap each other on the back drinking
Miller Lite in the bar after the election, you want to have
been on the team. And that's part of the peer pressure to
move the votes around.
BM But there always seems to be candidates for that level of
humanity. Do you expect your criticism could wake one of
them up?
FZ The criticism won't, but in order to motivate the people
who are already susceptible to that sort of bamboozlement,
you have to provide them with data through another way. You
have to either do it through a metaphor or you really have
to draw them a picture. They have to be persuaded. They
can't work on the logical level. You can't just say, "Look,
here are facts". Because those people have gone beyond the
medium of fact retention or fact processing. They're "feelies".
Everything that motivates them must be wearing
warm and fuzzy clothing. They want to have that warm, fuzzy
sensation that whatever it is that you're selling to them
makes them even warmer and fuzzier. But it can be done. In
order to do it, you need to have access to media so that the
message can be presented properly.
The problem is that the whole myth of the
liberal media bias is preposterous because nobody who owns a
broadcast license, or a newspaper, is a Democrat. They're
all screaming on the right. And the flap about liberal
media bias was manufactured by the right wing. The right
wing goes to some of their friends in another part of the
right wing and says, "You attack my network. You say that
CBS is too liberal, and that gives us the license to behave
moreconservatively in order to appear to be fair". Thereby
pushing any liberal idea completely out of their broadcast,
and doing it in a way that's saying, "We're doing this to
provide balance". Perfect fakeout. Because that's exactly
what the people always wanted to do to begin with. The
demise of the Red Lion Decision guaranteeing equal time for
opposing points of view in a political situation - they got
rid of that last year, or the year before. Most people
don't even know that regulation doesn't exist anymore. It
is no longer required of a broadcaster to give equal time to
the opposition. And so the removal of that regulation,
combined with the desire to have only one point of view
presented to the American public, has given them this great
opportunity in this election.
BM Of course, it is important that you say this, but how
much do you wrestle with the stupidity of those who do not
respond to these facts?
FZ I make a distinction between ignorance, stupidity and
idiocy. And fortunately we have an abundance of all three
in the United States.
BM
'Unfortunately"?
FZ Both.
BM
"Fortunately and unfortunately".
FZ That's right, because if you can understand all three
specimens, you can communicate with them. You talk to a dog
a different way than you talk to a cat, which is a different
way than you talk to a goldfish. You have to understand
that they do exist, and if you have to communicate with
people who are in any one of those levels, or not in those
levels, you have to find the language that gets the point
across. The difficulty is not inventing the language, the
difficulty is finding the medium by which to disseminate the
language because a person such as myself does not have
access to media. You can't. I tried to get a television
show. You saw what happened. There's no way in the world
they were going to let me on the air. And I believe, based
on a conversation that I had with Michael King, the guy who
runs KingWorld, here's how these guys think: For those of
you who don't know, KingWorld is a syndicator that does
Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy!, and Oprah Winfrey. They make
an enormous amount of money. Basically, this man earns his
living by providing an alternative to the news because the
shows that he puts on the air are things that people watch
when they don't want to watch the news. So he's made
hundreds of millions of dollars by giving people an
alternative to the news. We had a conversation in a
restaurant about six months ago. He really didn't like
Jesse Jackson, and I don't like Jesse Jackson either, but I
said, "Jesse is such a huckster he ought to have his own
television show. Give Jesse a talk show". And for a
minute the cash register went off in this guy's mind, you
know, Jesse Jackson with a talk show. Then he immediately
said, "No way, I won't give the man a forum". And as much
as they like money, and as much as he knew that if Jesse
Jackson had a T.V. talk show he would have high rating, this
guy wouldn't put Jesse on the air because he didn't want to
give him a forum. And I have a feeling that that same
conversation was repeated in certain ways when the topic of
my talk show was brought up at networks. So, the problem is
not how to say it, it's how you get what you're going to say
into the ear of the person who needs to hear it. That's the
trick.
BM Did you want to categorize the three levels?
FZ Oh, what makes the difference? Well, "ignorance" means
you simply were never provided with the information. So a
person could be smart and ignorant at the same time. He
could be smart in every other aspect of his life, but
ignorant of certain types of information. "Stupid" means
you have the information but because of some...
BM
Perceptual deficiency?
FZ Yeah, because of some personal inefficiency, you decide
to perform an act which contravenes what you know. You do a
stupid thing. Like, you know that you spent all the money
in your budget, but still you had to buy that purse. Then
that's stupid. You get away with it for a while, but it's
stupid. "Idiot" I would think more in a medical sense. The
person is capable of performing acts which could harm other
individual because he is chemically stupid. There's
something in the guy's brain. It's a mental health
situation, whatever it is, but you don't want the guy flying
your plane for you, or driving your bus, or writing your
law. Now, we have all these. Then we have the people who
are marginally rational. They pride themselves on having a
certain amount of logic, and they have a certain size data base,
they have a certain function to perform in society,
but they won't go all the way. They won't believe in the
facts to the point where they can carry it through to a
truly logical conclusion. That means, at the critical
point, they're going to opt for the easy way out. They can
see what the real answer is, but they won't go for it
because they just can't be bothered.
BM Yeah.
Now, that's a different kind of inefficiency.
FZ Yeah.
But see...
BM That's a laziness or something.
FZ Yeah, that's right. And that's more of a tragedy because
those people know what's right. They have the mental
equipment and they have the data base to do the right thing,
and they don't.
BM Have you thought about what the causes of that holding
back are?
FZ It's a combination of institutionalized fear which is one
of the major subtexts of American society right now. You
feed people "Wooh, we're gonna worry about this" and it's a
lot of worry that is sold to you as a subtext in all of your
advertisements and...
BM Stress.
FZ Stress and dread. There are people that have had their
stress level artificially raised by advertising. And, at
the point that happens, a certain piece of machinery in the
logical part of the brain shuts down, and they've been
tricked into believing that they are a creature other than
what they are. They become the targeted audience of the
advertiser. They've mutated into that, and all they would
have to do is turn that part of the brain back on and they'd be
free of that. They'd say, "Come on, what is this?"
BM It's hard to explain why they get susceptible to that.
FZ You have to break down the sub-categories of the dread.
I wish there was a way to graph this out, but advertising is
very powerful, and in order for advertising to work, it
works on a non-logical, subconscious, psychological level.
And to induce people to buy things they don't need for
reasons which are not there, they have to trick you. And
they trick you with colours, they trick you with modifying
the cutting rate of the commercial which then modifies the
way in which you ingest the data. They do tricks, and part
of what's involved in the data that they are tricking you
into consuming is this built-in dread factor: "You can
fail. Someone will laugh at you. You are impotent. You
will be poor. You will die!" Various flavours of dread,
they're lurking in there in different combinations, and, of
course, after they've shown you the dread, they show you the
light at the end of the tunnel: "Our product will allow you
not to die. You will not have pain. These little yellow
pills, this really works. Our car goes fast and it's red.
You'll get a blowjob if you drive this!" That's all built
in there, O.K. So, people have been conditioned to consuming
the dread factor. They don't know they're getting the
dread, but it's in there. And then the answer to their
problems - a product. So, they're trading dollars to avoid
the dread, and the dollars will be aimed in the direction of
the product that solves this imaginary problem. Now, how
many people do you know can look at a television commercial
and analyse what is really going on there. Most people
don't even bother to watch the spots. It's tricking them
without their even knowing it.
BM
Did you learn a lot about that when you were in
advertising in your early twenties?
FZ
No.
BM Did you know that before, or did you figure it out with
what you went through?
FZ The first clues that I had to this were from a book
called "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard which I read
a long, long time ago.
BM That was in high school because it came out in the
Fifties, I think? But you read it when you were quite
young?
FZ Yeah.
seven.
BM
I was in high school in the Fifties.
I'm forty
So, Packard turned you on to some of that stuff.
FZ Yeah, but not what I"m telling you right now because the
advertising was mutated into something different in the
Eighties than it was in the Fifties, the whole technique.
BM Because many societal changes have happened.
a different context, right?
So, there's
FZ It's not just the context. It's the style. Well, the
flavour of the dread has changed. The types of things that
people are afraid of have changed to some degree. Certain
basics remain. Death is a constant. Impotence is a
constant. Poverty is a constant. But at certain times in
American history, certain things become more important than
others With the growth of the Yuppie culture, the fear of
impoverishment and people laughing at you is probably more
dreadful than death or impotence. So, that particular type
of dread would be stressed more in a 1980's commercial than
it would in another era.
BM Would you say that the Yuppie culture was a natural
product of the Hippie culture?
FZ I don't know whether it's natural, but I can see that
there's a logical continuum because the Hippie culture was
not anything divine to begin with. Most of the people who
joined that were just chumps looking for a good time just
like the people who become Yuppies. The reason they join
any kind of a movement, or a culture, is because they're
looking for a home, they want to belong to something. Now,
a lot of the people who became Hippies, maybe they knew that
they didn't look good in Paisley and long hair, with joints
dangling out of their mouth. Maybe they knew that was
stupid, but they did it anyway because that was the only way
they were going to get a blowjob that season. Now the
Yuppies have gone beyond that. They have to have a Rolex,
they have to have a Porsche, but they don't even care about
the blowjob anymore because it's just about the dollars.
Now, that's a mutation.
BM A "United Mutation"? The collective consensus? I'm
reminded of the saying, "Advertising creates the disease and
then offers the cure".
FZ Well, that's just like the way sell you pornography
legislation.
BM And the drug thing. So, this is an elaboration what you
mean to say, "The Emperor isn't wearing any clothes".
FZ That's right.
BM These subconscious factors wouldn't work if one knew that
the Emperor was wearing no clothes.
FZ Here's a way to make it obvious. It's just like the PMRC
talking about explicit lyrics and harming children. If a
kid doesn't know what a blowjob is, you can talk about
blowjobs for weeks and he isn't going to be affected in any
way about that. Unless he knows what you're talking about,
how's the lyric going to register? It's the same way if
you're using the word "parsec" too many times in a sentence.
Unless the person knows what it refers to, where's the harm?
What good is the data?
BM
Don't they feel that the kids know too soon, now?
FZ When is "too soon"? There's a certain mentality that
presumes that sex must be something truly horrible, and that
we must be protected from it at all costs, especially our
tender, precious, young children. And there is a difference
between knowing about sex, knowing how it functions and
having, let's say, in the case of child pornography, an
adult abusing a child. That is a violent crime. It has
more to do with violence than it has to do with sex.
BM Sex is a means of controlling people, but it also is a
very important thing, and a lot of emotions come out of sex.
FZ The way a right wing administration would view sex is:
"Sex isa cheap thrill. Now, we can't have these people
having too many thrills because usually after they have sex,
they're happy. Unless they're really doing it wrong, they
had a good time. Now, that relieves the dread". If you
just had good sex, you're not going to sit around there and
think about that dread they tried to instill in you. That's
one of the antidotes to the dread factor. So, the less sex,
the more dread, the more dread, the more sales, the more
sales, the more GNP. Then you have what they call this
"prosperity which we must continue for another
administration". The other thing that happens, when you
deny people sex, is they have a force inside their body that
wants to be expressed, it wants to come out. You're either
going to do it through sex or you're going to do it through
murder. You're going to find some way to get that out of
you. Now, these right-wing guys would prefer you had a
nation of potential murderers because that makes for a great
army. Whereas you don't want a nation of people who do good
sex because what have you got then? They're having a good
time. You can't sell them that Wacky Wallwalker if they're
in a good mood.
BM But what about sexual hygiene? In other words, you could
have good sex with one partner, but people get confused.
They think that they want to have sex with more than one
person. They get more greedy, then the hygenic problem
comes in.
FZ Come on, that's a matter of sex education. Someone
ought to tell you to wash you're private parts every once in
a while.
BM Yeah, but people are stupid.
FZ We, the American people are not physically incapable of
being taught how to wash their private parts, or why. I
think we have the ability to process this particular piece
of information. So, the hygiene question - I don't know,
people are not that stupid.
BM But you know people are stupid on many levels, and the
people who are protective babysitters in religion and
government, so to speak, they take advantage of the
stupidity to control, but people are generally
inconsiderate. So, there would be this chaotic transition
period, which is maybe what we're in now, where people are
not following the leader's positions, or there's a mood of
autonomy, and yet they create a lot of mistakes from it and
bad side-effects because they don't know how to be
intelligent.
FZ That's a big problem - where people don't know how to be
intelligent. One of the reasons that they don't know is
because it's never been fashionable to be intelligent,
especially in the United States. This country has an antiintellectual history that goes back to the first bundling
board. You know, thinking is bad for you. AS a matter of
fact, you can trace it back to the beginning of Christian
doctrine. The whole foundation of Christianity is based on
the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil.
Remember the apple on the tree? O.K., it was the Tree of
Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart
as God. We can't have that". Let's get one thing straight.
Besides the Universe being just a matter of rates, and I
don't want to get back into that, but the behaviour of
molecules is a matter of rates. And molecules, translated
into the real world where we can deal with it on a regular
basis, move into the realm of chemistry, and so it is with
intelligence. I think it has a lot to do with chemical
processes that take place in your brain. I think you can
make people artificially stupid. Quaaludes is a good
example. It's a chemical way of producing stupid behaviour,
and conversely, there must be a way chemically to make
people perform better. I don't know what it is. But if
there are chemical substances which people will willingly
ingest to produce stupid behaviour, one day somebody will
come up with something that will make it possible for you to
think better. I'm not talking about LSD, but some other way
that'll just allow you to improve your processing
capabilities. Just like when we were talking about the
difference between the original Apple computer, where you
have to wait ten minutes for the thing to go clonk, clonk
and see a few words on the screen, and stuff that is
available on the marketplace now that is a thousand times
faster. It's doing the same job. It's just doing it in a
more efficient way. So, when Adam and Eve were in the
Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that
"evil" woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the
apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment
that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the
guy's got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring,
because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea,
that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the
property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up
Christianity as an anti-intellectual religion. You never
want to be that smart. If you're a woman, it's going to be
running down your leg, and if you're a guy, you're going to
be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be
a dumb fuck and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext
of Christianity.
BM Earlier, just before you were talking about the Tree of
Knowledge, you were speaking about having some chemical
means of making people smarter. I think of the...
FZ Maybe e.
an apple.
BM Yeah, the Apple computer. The text of the booklet in
UNCLE MEAT, back in '69, was about taking Ruben and the Jets
and the "vocal drone mechanism", and using sounds that made
vegetables grow better, and animals. Were you getting
metaphorically at what you were just talking about - your
vision of seeing that we could be optimistic because someday
they're going to make people better, maybe with sound?
FZ
Why not with sound?
Because the largest organ in the
human body, correct me if I'm wrong, is your skin, and your
eardrum is only part of your skin, folks. So, that may be
the most sensitive part of the skin. But I believe the
whole skin responds to sound, and different parts of the
skin over different parts of the body have different
resonant frequencies. In other words, frequencies that
strike them better. Because of the size of the eardrum, it
has a centre frequency susceptibility at around 2K. That's
why telephones sound like telephones. Your ear is most
sensitive around 2 kilohertz. It can hear other things, but
that's the real sensitive range. So, maybe other larger
patches of skin resonate with other different frequencies.
There's been research done that showed that certain
frequencies of certain amplitudes produce physical effects.
Ten cycles of a certain amplitude stops your heart. You can
die from sound. You wouldn't even "hear" the ten cycles, in
the traditional sense of the word, because your ear doesn't
go down that low, but a couple of good boops and you're
dead. And there are frequencies that will make you piss,
and frequencies that will make you shit, and frequencies
that will make you do all kinds of things. I don't think
they've discerned the entire range of them, but there is a
connection between human organism and the way moving air
molecules affect that organism. So, we shouldn't be so
short-sighted as to rule out the possibility that therapies
for different kinds of conditions, as well as the ability to
kill people, could all be induced by sound. And the clue to
that might be the soothing effect that certain types of
music have on certain individuals. And the trick is, what
passes for nice music in one culture, is radically different
than nice music in another culture. I doubt seriously that
most Americans would find it soothing to listen to six hours
of Chinese music, but I don't think that the Chinese would
find it too soothing to listen to six hours of Barry
Manilow, either. So, each culture has a different ideal of
what constitutes good music. But the thing that is existing
in music, that transcends the style, the orchestration, or
the timbre of the music, is the pitches of the notes. So
that may be the determining factor.
BM Yeah, that's interesting. There is an idea that Marshall
McLuhan tossed around - that music was speech slowed down.
And he said that the reason cultures have different musical
tastes is intimately connected to language. So, obviously
the rhythms of Chinese music are connected to the way they
speak, and that determines a large part of...
FZ It's not the rhythm. The thing that sets the Chinese
music apart, the rhythms of Chinese music are similar to the
rhythms of the other musics, is the timbre of it. It's the
texture of the thing.
BM
Oh, this is what you mean by "pitch".
FZ No, timbre is the texture of a sound quality. In other
words, is it being played by a snare drum? Is it being
played by an oboe? Is it being played by a tuba? That's
the timbre. The pitch is the vibrational frequency of the
note being played no matter what instrument is playing it.
That's pitch. Rhythm is the rate, the period, the distance
between one note and another. That constitues the rhythm.
And the harmony is - there's an implied or explicit harmonic
domain in which all the action takes place. It's like the
canvas on which everything happens. The same melody line,
with a major chord supporting it, is a different story when
a minor chord is supporting it. The message that comes
through is different. So, that's how the things interact.
Harmony tells you how to perceive the melody. That's the
compass that shows you which way North is. The rhythm
determines how fast the piece is going. So, you can
determine whether or not the piece is above your factory
rate. Or the rhythm determines the distance, the
periodicity between one start time and another of each of
the pitches in the melody line. That's how it's
interacting. And the timbre is going to send your message
about certain other qualities of the line. For example, the
dumbest example of all time is: "Purple Haze" played on an
accordion is a different story than "Purple Haze" on a
fuzztone guitar. You play exactly the same notes, but
there's two different messages. So, one of the main
differences, culturally, from place to place, in the music,
is in the timbre of the instruments which are playing the
music. Chinese music, to use an extreme example, has
certain types of flues, certain types of little, stringed
instruments, and little, bowed instruments that have a
certain nasal quality to them which would not be an admired
texture in a Western society. But to the Chinese that is
their music and it's perfect, and it's wonderful, and they
think that's the way things ought to be. Whereas we in
America think that Bruce Springsteen is the next best thing
to Michael Jackson.
BM When I said rhythm before I would include all those
factors, but did you say earlier that pitch may be the key
for making people intelligent through sound?
FZ No, I'm not saying "making people intelligent". I'm
saying if we allow ourselves to consider the possibility of
audio being used as a tool for therapy, really what you are
doing is using certain frequencies aimed at certain parts of
the body in order to set up a resonance. In other words,
you can knock down a bridge with the right resonance because
you'll find a resonant frequency of the concrete that's
holding it up, and it's going to crack. And the same thing
could be true of a crystalline situation in the human body.
If you want to crack it, you've got to find the resonant
frequency of that crystal, and then it's gone. Like the
right note could be a cure for gout where you have uric acid
crystals located in the joint someplace. How are you going
to get in there? The guy can't move his joint anymore
because the crystals have kept his joint from moving. So,
you find the right frequency, aim it at it, turn up the
volume, and they're gone.
BM I'm sure some people have explored this.
Carolyn?
Do you know,
CD Yeah, that's Radionics.
FZ
Yeah?
CD Yeah, there are different things. Medically, there are
gallstone-shattering devices with ultrasound.
FZ
Oh yeah.
CD But there are Radionics machines that measure the
frequencies of all the organs. If the frequency is not
normal, you can plug in the normal frequency and "kick" it.
So that's being done.
FZ
Well, see?
BM I remember, according to Miles, that you used to have on
your basement studio door the words "Dr. Zurkon", back in
1970. [13]
FZ
It's possible, yeah.
BM Because there I see you incorporating several roles.
Your talking about healing that was brought out on the UNCLE
MEAT album. You touched on it, and it doesn't show up too
much in other records. But this relates to something you
said at the end of the Rolling Stone interview in 1968. I
think they asked you, "Anything more to say?", and you
brought up this: If one is being tried, you should be tried
by your peer group. [14] In other words, you addressed the
legal world then, and you're addressing the medical world
here. Do you see that you're using music in many roles other
than just as a specialist of music?
FZ Well, I think you're blowing it out of proportion. The
fact is that I"m a guy who has an operating brain. I'm in
the process constantly of bringing in data, and sorting it,
and drawing conclusions. You do an interview with me, I
deliver to you today's conclusions. If you happen to ask
the right question about something that I"ve thought about,
I'll give you what my up-to-the-minute take is on any given
conclusion on any given topic at that point. To me, it's
fun. It's not like I have a mission to go out and help the
medical profession or the legal profession. I think about
different things. And the reason why I would be triggered
to think about the thing would be that I might see a news
story, or somebody might say something , and it doesn't just
go by me. I think about it. I think about my environment.
So, I don't have any choice, that's just the way I am. I
can't turn it off. So, if I come up with a conclusion, and
somebody asks me a question about certain topics, then I'm
going to give you my conclusion rather than text book
knowledge. I didn't learn my shit from reading a book. I
would have gone to college, I couldn't have done any better.
BM Yeah. So, where I'm maybe a bit limited here is trying
to project a certain strategy of the theatrical element.
FZ Well, let me talk about that peer group business,
because when you talk about what the Constitution provides,
a trial by a jury of your peers, I would say that would be
one of the most precious commodities that a person can
obtain in the United States today. Because the people who
are available to sit on a jury anymore are not peers of
anyone. How do you get a fair trial, and especially if
complicated technical matters, when your peers are not your
peers? Who's Ivan Boesky's peers? What do they do?
BM
David Rockefeller.
FZ Yeah. In theory, for him to get a fair trial, he would
have had to have a jury of his peers. Where are they? And
even more grotesque, where are Charles Manson's peers?
BM Then it doesn't make sense, the idea of being tried by
your peers.
FZ On the one hand, if you want to stick to what the
Constitution says and treat it with some respect, and at
least go along with the idea of democracy, then you ought to
live by the letter of the law. If you find out the law is
no good, then you ought to change the goddamn thing, or live
a lie.
BM One of the problems in Canada is that the medical
profession keeps the trial by their peers "in house".
FZ But that happens everywhere though. It's very seldom
that a guy who is in the medical profession in the United
States really gets into a civil court because there's other
ways to hush up his case through the AMA. And the AMA is
certainly nothing to brag about. They got caught with th
that little scam that they tried to pull against the
chiropractors recently. Look, nobody's perfect. People
have invented certain rules to attempt to give the illusion
the world works. Some of the rules are good, some of them
are not. The biggest problem that we have in American
government today is when a problem is realized, and they are
popping up every day. We're just beginning to see the start
of this legacy of the Industrial Revolution which is the
ruination of health and ecology on a global scale. That's
the price you're going to pay for all the evil shit that
happened at the beginning of the century. Now as the stuff
comes up, instead of dealing with it in practical ways,
there are attempts made to legislate the event away,
legislate the problem. The trick about legislation is no
matter how you write the law, you've got to enforce it. And
I'll be kind, ninety percent of the laws that have been
passed recently in the U.S. Congress are unenforceable.
They're either unenforceable, from a practical standpoint,
because it can't be done, or unenforceable because it might
be done but nobody in his right mind would be willing to
spend the money to actually make the enforcement possible.
And the new drug bill is one of those things. You can't
really enforce it. There's not enough police, there's not
enough jails, there's not enough courts, there's not enough
judges, juries, anything to implement what's written in that
bill. And the same holds true of just about everything else
that comes out of Congress. We would be better off in this
country if we would spend four years, one whole
administration, ridding ourselves of useless laws that don't
work.
BM And lawyers.
That's where you get...
FZ That's right. That's the problem. These laws exist to
create work for lawyers. The contemporary society has
gotten so complicated that you could be violating a law
without even knowing it. That's the whole idea of JOE'S
GARAGE - the criminalization of America. You are still
responsible for your actions. You can still be called a
criminal even if you didn't know that the law was there.
So, who can know? There is no one person in the United
States right now who will stand up and swear that he
understands the U.S. tax code. It's too complicated, and if
you take that on a state-by-state basis and think of the
body of law that exists on the books in every state in the
U.S., compounded by federal law, compounded by case law,
then you are totally at the mercy of a legal system that
could perhaps even have you killed for violating something
you didn't even know existed. I believe there are still
some states that have the death penalty for oral copulation
- New Jersey, North Dakota.
BM What are the "Nine Types of Industrial Pollution"?
Because it seems these old institutions are running amuck
with these old techniques, and they're out of control. They
clash with different media, different institutions, and
different professions.
FZ The funny thing about that song title is that, at the
time that it was put on UNCLE MEAT, there was no such thing
as a concern over industrial pollution. It hadn't even been
brought up as a topic. I put that on that song just as a
joke after driving through New Jersey.
BM
So, there were not nine, you had not categorized...
FZ Here I could see nine on that one trip.
more.
BM
There may be
The term was not in the regular media...
FZ No.
BM But one of the institutes involved in the C.I.A.'s
MKULTRA mind-control program, and this was in '55, was
called the Human Ecology Society. They were using the term
"ecology", but it was "human" ecology - perhaps in a
management sense, not as pollution.
FZ
Human engineering.
BM Yeah. But I don't know if I got that clearly. Do you
want peer group trial? Or are you pointing out that there
are no peer groups possible?
FZ I'm pointing out an idiosyncrasy of the law. You want
it, make it work. If it won't work, then you're living a
lie if you keep it on the books. And that's only one.
BM It would be useful to respond to your demand and change,
but there's an element in your suggestion of the absurdity
of the situation, right?
FZ Of course. You have to look at the situation and see
what's really going on here. You have thwarted ideal, you
have somebody designing an ideal situation. And through
history you see that it doesn't work and then, instead of
dealing with it because it doesn't work, you have people
living a lie. And living a lie creates stress.
BM And humour. Pointing it out creates laughter which
helps relieve stress so...
FZ Yeah, but it doesn't solve the problem.
popping a pimple.
It's like
BM But this is like the human intelligence factor we were
talking about. There's a catch-22 element here. You're
pointing out the lie. Do you expect people to be able to
apply the suggestion, or would you ask them to do it?
FZ What I'm asking people to do is simply this: In your
own way, in your own life, every day, you are confronted
with a piece of data. Don't just eat it up. Just think
about it for a minute. You have the right to process your
own information based on the equipment that you were born
with. That's your right. That's real freedom. You have
the right to make up your own mind. Now, if you choose to
numb yourself, and to be bamboozled, you have the right to
be bamboozled. But in your state of bamboozlement, you do
not have the right to be a liability, because of your selfimposed ignorance, on other people who might want to do
things the right way. If you voluntarily choose to be a
numbskull, for whatever reason you have chosen it, that's
fine. You have the right to be stupid, but you don't have
the right to harm other people as a result of your
stupidity. And you don't have the right to legislated your
stupidity into existence, to force it on other people who
have a clearer view of what things are.
BM Do you think that one man, a President with a wise
cabinet, could implement some changes, or is the society so
complex that that institution, within the checks and
balances system, would not be able to implement change?
FZ I think it's possible, sure. The reason that it's
possible is nobody has more access to the media than the
President. And most of the evils of society can, in fact,
be cured through information. We have a society that has
been disinformed and based on the disinformation has made
irrational choices. And that's what I mean by "ignorance".
People, who ordinarily might be smart, are deprived of the
data by which to make a rational decision, don't have the
data to do it. Nobody has got more control, or access to
the media, than the White House Press Office. We've seen
it. They've literally reshaped American history to their
own ends. It truly is 1984: "Black is white, white is
black, 2 and 2 is eleven", whatever they want to tell you.
"George Bush is an ecology guy. Ronald Reagan is a great
patriot. Nancy wants you to say no to drugs, and she likes
to say yes to the extra clothes that come in"
BM See the power of the information of the situation we're
in? And your mini-manifesto, which we talked about at the
beginning, begins with the work "Information".
FZ
That's right, you have to be suspicious of the
information. That's why it says, "Information is not
knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom".
BM
What is "Information"
FZ Any data that comes in. Somebody presents you with
something. Like, I walk up to you and say, "Two and two is
eleven". That's some information. It's bad information,
but it's information. O.K. Now, if somebody comes up to you
and says "Two and two is eleven", and they have the
Presidential Seal on their coat, and they got bunting waving
in the background, and balloons go up, you might consider it
for a minute. So, that's information. Information is not
knowledge. Knowledge is the point at which you know
something, O.K. Now, wisdom is the idea that you have a
bank of facts. To behave wisely, you have to deploy those
facts in some way. You can deploy them stupidly or you can
deploy them wisely. So, information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. You can take
all the sorted pieces of information which gives you a
knowledge base. You can act in what you believe is a wise
procedure, but that is not necessarily any ultimate truth.
And just because something is an ultimate truth doesn't mean
it's beautiful. And just because something is beautiful
certainly doesn't mean you have to love it. Because there's
lots of ugly stuff that you could love, too. I mean, I love
my dog. Not a particularly attractive dog, but that's a
wonderful dog.
BM How did it continue after Beauty?
the lines?
What are the rest of
FZ Oh, well, it's: "Information is not knowledge,
Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not
beauty, Beauty is not love, and Love is not music. Music is
THE BEST"
BM
If "Love is not music", what is "Love"?
FZ
It's chemical, merely chemical.
BM
And it can be...
FZ
BM
Chocolate induced.
And you have different rates of duration?
FZ It can have different frequencies. There are many notes
that you could call B flat. There are several of them on
the piano. They're all called B flat, but they're all
different rates. But they're still called B flat for some
reason. Because they're multiples of the same rate.
BM It seems that in your studies in music, in your
experience as a musician, you've seen that as a model for
many other parts of human activity. And it serves to see
music as chemistry, and you can take the smattering of
chemical knowledge you got in high school and you adapt it
to the musical metaphor, to the Big Note metaphor.
FZ Well, things work together. I see the Universe as an
interrelated thing, not so much as one big enormously
complicated thing, but one big simple motherfucker. It's
rates. There it is.
BM
There was a quote in an obscure fashion magazine about
1970 where you said, "Waves come together, they cancel each
other out, the there's no time". Something along those
lines, if I recall correctly. [15]
FZ I don't remember saying it, but I know what I'm talking
about. Alright, there is such a thing as frequency
cancellation. I don't think you can ever get it to be a
hundred percent, but you can reduce the amplitude, how loud
something is, by causing the waves to cancel each other out.
That's one of the ways that they use to reduce the hum in
air conditioning. By introducing a tone into the air
conditioning duct, which counteracts the low frequency hum,
the waves cancel each other out. Now, if waves are time and
you cancel the wave, then what have you just done?
BM We've covered a lot of things that I wanted to talk
about. Now, here are some miscellaneous topics. I noticed
in various interviews that the phrase "no comment" would
come up. And in one of them, back in '76, in some rock
magazine, you were asked about psychic phenomena, being
psychic. You answered, "No comment". [16] Is there a reason
why you would say "no comment"?
FZ Yeah, because that's based usually on the person I'm
talking to.
BM You mean, you don't think there is information that you
would give in response to that question?
FZ Sometimes there are certain people who can't understand
what you're saying.
BM So, "no comment" means it's a reflection on the person
you're dealing with.
FZ
Yeah.
BM And I noticed in other interviews, this may be the same
reason, when someone starts talking about '50's R&B, you'll
say, "Now, you're moving into dangerous territory there".
FZ One of the reasons for it is, most of the people who
talk about '50's R&B don't have any recollection of it. If
you're talking to somebody who wasn't alive during the
Fifties, then all they know about '50's R&B is the Sha Na Na
television show, or Happy Days. They don't know what it was
so I would rather not discuss it with them. If I can talk
to somebody in my own age bracket who knows what the thing
is, then fine. But you can't really have a conversation
about that style of music with anybody who doesn't
comprehend it because of the damage that's been done by the
commercialization of it. That's all.
BM
But when you say "dangerous territory" you're saying,
"Buddy, you better know what you're talking about if we're
going to explore it, because you will get..."
FZ Well, I say that facetiously.
anybody.
BM
I"m not threatening
But it's "dangerous" because it's so little known today.
FZ Yeah, there's just no comprehension of it. There are
certain types of music that have been ruined by media
exposure. For example, what do we really know about Mozart.
They made a movie about him and there are so many Mozart
records, but what is that? That ain't what Mozart was. Can
we know? And by the same token, can we really understand
the mentality that went into producing Doo-wop records
unless you knew what that world was? I think we got maybe
about a six-month turn-over for each musical interest-cycle
now, at the this point in the Eighties. Whoever was the big
hit six months ago - "O.K, next!" It's got nothing to do
with the quality of what the person did, or what the music
is about. It's not new so you don't want it. With that
sort of mentality working in the marketplace, how can you
address a musical marketplace with that mindset about
something that has to be totally irrelevant to them. This
is so many interest-cycles ago that why trouble them with
descriptions of Doo-wop music.
BM And that brings in the time factor for consumers in the
sense that we live almost 200 years every twelve months in
terms of trend turn-over, or possibilities for interestcycles.
FZ Yeah, and I think they're becoming shorter. I've also
talked about the End of the World being a question of
whether it's going to be by fire, ice, paperwork, or
nostalgia. And there's a good chance that it's going to be
nostalgia because the distance between the event and the
nostalgia for the even has gotten shorter and shorter and
shorter with each nostalgia cycle. So, projecting into the
future, you could get to a point where you would take a step
and be so nostalgic for that point where you would take a
step and be so nostalgic for that step you just took that
you would literally freeze in your tracks to experience the
nostalgize of the last step, or the last word, or your last
whatever. The world just comes to a halt - remembering.
BM That was McLuhan's point. He said that the electric
environment creates such a turn-over of information
retrieval and projection that whole societies would turn to
"stone". Which I see as the reason why people are getting
supposedly "conservative". They're just freezing in their
"time zone", but there's an underlying paradox because they
are also turning over these cycles faster.
FZ That's perverting the concept of what conservatism is.
True conservatism is the guy who wants smaller government
and lower taxes, and that's me. And everything else that
has been appliqued on to that term has more to do with
religious fanaticism and Fascist politics, and stuff like
that. "Conservative" is the wrong word. I don't think that
Americans, in the way they think of themselves as being
nice, kind, free, fair, good-natured, jolly little
individuals, would willingly opt for Fascism, but they could
easily be tricked into it. All you have to do is tell them
that it's a candy apple, or whatever the lies are that are
going on right now. Literally, they are being molded into
something that is as potentially dangerous to the rest of
the world as Nazi Germany was in the Thirties and Forties.
But tricked into it by people who have just lulled them into
this false sense of security, and they wave a little
American flag over it and everybody just has this knee-jerk
reaction that they've got to buy it.
BM Well, it occurs to me, when you're talking about
nostalgia cycles, that may be why people have the desire to
end the election as soon as possible. They can't keep their
interest on the two-year campaign like they used to.
FZ I don't know whether anybody truly wants to be
interested in a campaign for two years, and I think that's
one of the reasons why they run them for two years. Because
they want to numb the electorate. They want to keep the
voter turn-out low. If you keep the voter turn-out low,
then you realize that the only people who have managed to
stay interested long enough have to be weird. The average
guy, who just wants to exercise his democratic right to
vote, he's so turned off by the whole thing. He's seen
these guys over and over, he's heard the lies, he's looked
at it and just gone "Yuck!" And now it's not a privilege to
vote. It's a horrible obligation and they don't even want
to know about it. And especially when you tell them that
the election's already over, then why should they bother?
Why should they leave their job or go, especially on the
East Coast when it's cold, to someplace in November to pull
a handle or poke a hole in a piece of paper? Who cares?
The election's over. They want you to believe that.
BM Isn't this a major
age? And if humanists
concerned, they'd say,
environment" as one of
their problems.
disservice caused by the television
or conservatives were really
"We've got to turn off this electric
the means to attempting to solve all
FZ You can't. You have to use it. You can't just turn it
off. I think that the electric environment could be one of
the greatest boons to mankind if it were run by people who
had mankind's interest at heart, but there's not an ounce of
that. There's no benevolence in the network I guarantee
you.
BM I'm reminded of a quote you made back in the late
Sixties: "If you really want to change society, infiltrate
the military" [17]. Do you want to elaborate on that? Is
that obvious? Do you think anybody would do that?
FZ I don't think that any of the people who have let's say,
humanistic concerns ever took me up on that one. Because
the military is something that is never going to be
dismantled as long as people are in their current state of
evolutionary development. They still believe in the need
for war. And i believe that it is impossible to do away
with the military, from a practical standpoint, just because
there are people on this planet, who are less sophisticated
than ourselves, who would be more than happy to do harm to
us. So, you have to be able to protect yourself against it.
However, to do a good job, you should do it efficiently.
You should know what you're doing. Cut the bullshit and go
do it, you know? I like to see people who are not bullshit
people in positions where they make decisions. People who
have more of a long-range view. you need people in every
profession, and the military is a profession, who have a
long-range view. What is today's little action going to
mean twenty-five years down the road? And why are we doing
it? Is Grenada really necessary? Is Central America really
necessary? Is Angola really necessary? What are we really
doing? That's what I mean by telling people to go into the
military. Because it is not my field of expertise, but I'm
convinced that the law of averages would indicate that
somewhere out there, there's somebody, who has an aptitude
for military thinking, who's also a long-range thinker and
who might care more about people than about rhetoric and
politics. The military should be an organization which
performs a service for the rest of the society just like a
police force. AS long as you need it, it should be reminded
that it is working for the rest of the citizenry. These are
people who have been given a license to carry a gun and kill
people with it, and they should not use that against the
citizens which gave them the license. They should always
act in the interest of the citizens that gave them
permission to behave in the militaristic way.
BM So, you're saying that in the late Sixties you made
that proposal and nobody responded to it, or said, "I'm
going to do it, Frank."
FZ Well, they never called me up and said, "Good idea,
Frank! I'm going in now. Thanks for suggesting it". None
of that kind of feedback. But I'll tell you one of the
other things that I suggested, and it's been twisted and
really turned around, and it turned out to be really true
even though it was twisted and turned around. I also
suggested we could make the world better by going into
media, which is exactly the reason why Falwell and Robertson
have these colleges to train people to go into media.
They're going to use the same thing to put their clones in
place to keep the lid on stuff, and they're out there.
There was a guy who graduated from Robertson's University
who was working at Fox Television Network on the Joan Rivers
Show. They're out there, they're already in place. These
are like moles. You don't know that they came from that
brainwash camp, but if you're talking about a Christian
Lord, you're talking about doing the work of an imaginary
deity that wants to keep people stupid. That's the job.
So, these are people who ultimately, when they are in place,
will keep "content" from managing to get into the airwaves.
BM In the Sixties, you know that you could use the media
and inspire people, or have them do it, but the odds were
against it. I see that you're saying now in the Eighties,
"Look, the people who don't have your interests in mind have
done what I urged many years ago". And you replay that by
saying, "Get out and vote." That's the first level. How
could you begin to implement what you see as intelligent
people into influential positions?
FZ I wouldn't. I think that if a person is truly
intelligent, then they're going to find their own way, and
they don't need me to tell them what to do.
BM Then why do you make such statements?
people?
Just to remind
FZ I hope that there are some people, who are just
teetering on the brink of being consciously intelligent, who
will opt for it, rather than opt for the quaalude life. If
you've got the chemical machinery in your body, which is a
functioning brain, and you have free will, then you can
choose to be stupid or you can choose to be smart. I say
choose to be smart. It ain't as bad as you think. The
problem is most people choose to be stupid because there's a
social stigma attached to being smart. If you're smart, you
don't get laid. That's something every kid learns in
school. The other thing that used to be true, it's not so
true anymore, is nobody wants to fuck a comedian. Now it's
different, a little bit. That used to be an axiom. Nobody
wants to fuck a mad scientist either. So, Americans have
steered themselves away from intellectual pursuits because
they want to have a social life. And the ones that have
been the most victimized by it are the women who have made
themselves stupid. I think there's probably a lot of smart
women in the United States. If we trace it all the way back
to Eve, who was smart enough to suggest that that idiot man
eat that damn apple, obviously she knew something that he
didn't know. She knew the apple was something worthwhile.
Now, the guy's been blaming her for all this time: "Now you
want me to go buy your Kotex for you". But women are
pathetic when they make themselves stupid. There's even
more of a stigma to being a smart girl than there is to
being a smart guy.
BM You talk a lot about sex and say you're a devout pagan.
Is it your strategy to say, "Look, I'm a smart guy and I get
laid"?
FZ Well, that is absolutely a fact.
BM
There you have it.
It can be done.
FZ It can be done.
BM Did you get laid much in high school, or were you interested
in that at that point?
FZ Being a normal American teenager, I was very interested
in it, and I was truly blessed that I had a teenage
girlfriend who lived three doors away from me. So, yeah, I
was having a wonderful time in high school.
BM
She's not the woman you first married?
FZ No, I didn't meet her until I was in junior college.
And eventually the girl that I was going out with in high
school, her parents decided that we shouldn't be so serious
and they moved away so that I couldn't see her anymore.
BM
But you were sexually involved?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
And you used condoms?
FZ
No.
BM
You were careful?
FZ Well, this is something that I believe is not germane to
our philosophical conversation.
BM O.K. Another quote relating to people working in their
institutions. And I think you set an example: you engaged
yourself with the music Establishment, and kept your
integrity, and did your part. And you're hoping that people
in the military are infiltrating and getting to positions
that can implement some positive changes.
FZ
Do your part.
Pull your weight.
Don't be a flake.
BM I have here a quote where you said "you were interested
enough in politics to talk to people about it". And you
said that in the late Sixties [18]. Now, many people though
in the Sixties, probably because of the way you were
presented by the media, that you were very arrogant.
FZ I think one of the techniques used to neutralize a
person who has intelligence is to make them out to be a bad
guy. And I"m not a bad guy, but I think that what's been
written about me in print has basically been designed to
make me less appealing to a broad spectrum of the American
public. It's the same syndrome as why I don't have a talk
show on television. They don't want to give me a forum.
BM Here's a question about the word "questions". I
remember in Newsweek, back in '68 they did an article on you
and you said, "My role is to ask questions" [19]. And then
in the liner notes on the GRAND WAZOO album, you talk about
the "Questions" who come out and get checked for musical
talent, and then if they pass, they can go do a couple of
simple musical exercises giving some rudimentary
entertainment skill. But the ones that do not pass get
dumped or drowned in the "UnDifferentiated Tissue".
FZ The word "Questions" used in that story was instead of
"Christians". The original name of that song was "Eat that
Christian".
BM Is that right?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
Why did you change it?
FZ
I thought "Question" was better.
BM
Because it applies to other points, too?
FZ
Yeah, it's a more twisted concept - "Eat that Question".
BM Or multi-leveled. I think you sometimes criticize
excessive verbality or talking without thinking, and
sometimes instrumentals or pure sound can massage away that
concern about verbal concepts.
FZ yeah, I think a lot of people just like to talk , and
they think what they have to say is really fascinating and
they take as long as they can to say it. It's not always
possible, because some of the stuff that people ask me is
pretty ridiculous, but I want to find the quickest way to
boil it down and give an answer that you could remember, if
you could remember the question. Sometimes the questions
are six weeks long, but just to bring the answer down to a
manageable chunk, it's tricky to do it. It's the kind of
thing that would be easier to do if you were writing it down
on
paper, but to me that's the most boring thing in life.
BM Well, your strategy is so appropriate for an electric
technology when you're given thirty seconds to get your
point across.
FZ
That's a challenge.
Try it sometime.
BM I do it, or try to do it, on the radio every week.
you ask musical questions?
FZ
So
yeah.
BM I remember in an interview around the late Seventies,
you brought up the concept of "sprechstimme", a German term. [20]
FZ A speech-song. That means, instead of singing all the
pitches of the song, you half speak it, you half sing it.
It's a technique that was attributed to Schoenberg who used
it in a piece called "Pierrot Lunaire". And the way it was
written was: all the pitches for the soprano to sing, the
ones that she was supposed to half speak, had X's on the
stems. But I don't think he invented it because this is a
type of vocal styling that has been used in Blues. It's
also been used in other types of ethnic music. You can find
it in Bulgarian music where, instead of exactly singing the
note, you imply the pitch of the note, but you're really
talking it. It's in between.
BM You started doing your talking stuff around that time
when you were talking about that concept?
FZ
The first album had "sprechstimme" on it.
BM Yeah. Now you related it to musical theory and thought,
and you thought that you have solved some musical questions
there in modern theory.
FZ I would have to see the context of the interview that
you're talking about. I mean, you know more about my
interviews than I do.
BM
(laughing) I apologize, I apologize.
FZ That's O.K. I remember some of them and other ones I
don't for example, you used that Rolling Stone ('68)
interview several times. I always thought that was a
terrible interview. It bore little or no resemblance to
what I actually said, and I was horrified when it came out
because it was virtually mutilated.
BM yeah, that's something we've talked about before. A
long time ago, after I had mentioned some printed quotes,
you told me, "I did not say that." That really happens a
lot in your own personal experience.
FZ Sure. I received something in the mail yesterday that I
couldn't believe. In fact, Gerald, if you could go upstairs
and ask Gail if she's got that newspaper clipping from
Minneapolis, from a paper called New Reality. in this
article there's a guy talking about the fact that I knew
that Andy Warhol was murdered, and had some knowledge about
Divine's suicide, and all this stuff. Did you see that?
GF We get calls on Pumpkin, one a week. This guy's been
doing this in Minneapolis for a while, and they try to
connect, and I say, "There is no connection".
FZ It's a porno paper. It's not even a real newspaper.
It's got ads for bondage and stuff in it. And here's this
guy making references to me knowing something about the
supposed murder of Andy Warhol, and something to do with
Divine, and a few paragraphs later, mine and my daughter's
foot fetish, and all this stuff. It's just the most bizarre
stuff. So, I laughed it off. But, you talk about things
that appear in print with my name connected to it. I'm not
to be held wholly responsible for what's out there.
BM So, that's like mental pornography, this gossip and
rumour. In this society of information overload, people can
get away with a lot of bullshit.
FZ Sure. Just because that's in print, somebody's going to
say, "Well, there must be something to it. Otherwise, he
wouldn't have written it. Otherwise, somebody would go
after it"
BM
Yeah, there's a cop for everything.
FZ
That's right.
"They'd get him if it wasn't true".
BM There's where the naivety is, and maybe that's why people are
so hypnotized by father images. Because they
said, "Well, things are so out of control, we need a tough
guy". I mean, this could be a disservice of the television
age bringing...
FZ Anybody who looks at George Bush and sees a tough guy
has really been mediated.
BM "Mediated" - don't they call in the "mediators" during
the strikes? That relates to the media.
FZ
Well, they're "mediating" in the strike, really.
BM
Yeah, they give press conferences.
FZ
That's right.
BM
We've talked about this earlier, the confusion, the difficulty
to communicate in this mass hallucination that's
going on. You said once, "Information about my private life
serves no useful purpose" [21]. But then music is an
extension of yourself. I guess it's obvious that what you
make as music does not relate to what time you go to bed.
FZ I think that's irrelevant because the part of me that
people should be most interested in, if they have any
interest in me at all, is what I do. Not how I do it, or
who I am, or whatever, because I provide a service for them.
Whatever the information is I put out there, if it's useful
to you, then great. If it entertains you, then great.
That's what I do. That's my relationship to the outside
world. Other than that, the world has no license to
participate in my family life or anything like that. It's
none of their business. But one of the things I attempt to
do is: as I've said, there is quite a bit of me in the
music, but the me that I put in the music is the part of me
that I think people would find entertaining. Nobody
wants to know about my toothache. They don't want to know
about my personal traumas and tragedies. Who gives a shit
about that stuff? You want that kind of stuff? Go listen
to a sensitive singer-songwriter with an acoustical guitar
in his hand.
BM Yeah, there are people who want that kind of stuff who
identify their own problems with the...
FZ That's right. Well, I don't want you to identity with
my problems. I want you to identify with the conclusions
that I've come to that might be something you would agree
with.
BM
Actually, collective problems.
FZ Yeah.
BM Public problems. I come to this next quote. You once
said, 'The media is all there is' [22]. And you must have
to wrestle with the fact that we have this informational
diversity on many levels, but it's controlled at the money
making level. They control who's going to be the
millionaires.
FZ
Yeah.
BM There's an incredible amount of information going out to
the point that people can hallucinate and write ridiculous
things in a little press...
FZ That's why I've said, Information is not knowledge".
O.K.
BM
But the conclusion...
FZ Even I appreciate the opportunity to receive an extra
piece of information which will help me to determine the
veracity of another piece of information I have received. I
want to hear a second and third source. I want to check it
out. And unless you do check out a second and third source,
then you are going to be badly served by the deluge of
information that is presented to you because most of it is
not reliable. It's bullshit.
BM
But then a lot of the sources contradict each other.
FZ That's right. And what you have to do is investigate
the contradictions and draw your own conclusions about where
the action is.
BM And in that information flood, I can see the phrase "the
medium is the message" helps you point out that there's a
technical effect that's going in, aside from all the
confetti or baby powder that's getting in your face through
all the different media as information.
FZ Yeah. You have to understand that the medium that
brings you the message taints the message. It spins the
message. In other words, the same factoid presented on CNN,
if you took that same piece of data and put it in USA Today,
as opposed to the Wall Street Journal or the Journal of The
American Medical Association or the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Now, if the same factoid was everywhere, which one would you
say would reinforce all the rest of them? If the thing is
in the Encyclopedia, it looks a little more like a real fact
than it does if it's on CNN. CNN is really not a reliable
source of news. It's a fountain of disinformation. It is
probably the most biased, most spin-encrusted, totally
unreliable source of information that you can lay your eyes
on, but I watch it all the time because it gives me a great
thing to compare other stuff to. And most people don't do
that. Most people won't compare. They;ll just hear the
news report and buy it right away and it's done. It's
plugged into their memory bank, and when it's time to
process information, that's the erroneous fact that they're
operating on. Like people who have absorbed the latest
polls, when it's time to figure out what they're going to do
about the election, they're saturated with polls to tell
them that all is lost.
BM In your work with "xenochrony", are you satirizing
editing, the way you put things together, besides the
technical innovation of doing it?
FZ "Xenochrony" means strange synchronizations. Am I
satirizing editing? I don't know whether the technical
process of editing is enough of a commonly understood
phenomenon that you could satirize it. You can't made a
joke about something that people don't know exists.
would say that's not part of it.
So, I
BM How would you relate "xenochrony" to the time/rate thing
we discussed earlier?
FZ Well, a classic "xenochrony" piece would be "Rubber
Shirt", which is a song on the SHEIK YERBOUTI album. It
takes a drum set part that was added to a song at one tempo.
The drummer was instructed to play along with this one
particular thing in a certain time signature, eleven-four,
and that drum set part was extracted like a little piece of
DNA from that master tape and put over here into this little
cubicle. And then the bass part, which was designed to play
along with another song at another speed, another rate in
another time signature, four-four, that was removed from
that master tape and put over here, and then the two were
sandwiched together. And so the musical result is the
result of two musicians, who were never in the same room at
the same time, playing at two different rates in two
different moods for two different purposes, when blended
together, yielding a third result which is musical and
synchronizes in a strange way. That's xenochrony. And I've
done that on a number of tracks.
BM What is the idea behind that?
interesting sound?
Or is it just an
FZ What is the idea behind it? Suppose you were a composer
and you had the idea that you wanted to have a drum set
playing expressively and intuitively, eleven-four, at a
certain tempor while an electric bass player is doing
exactly the same thing in another tempo in another time
signature, and you want them to do this live on stage and
get a good performance. You won't get it. You can't. You
can ask for it, but it won't happen. There's only one way
to hear that, and that's to do what I did. I put two pieces
of tape together.
GF Do you realize it by chance though?
going to try this"?
Or do you say "I'm
FZ That's what I do every day. I'm going to try this, and
the stuff that works you keep and the stuff that doesn't you
throw it away. I thought that one worked. That's why it's
on the record.
BM Where I get the idea part is, I remember you did an
interview in the L.A. Free Press in the summer of '69 and
you mentioned Pauline Oliveri's work with sound, above the
audible and below, creating a mass, and you liked that idea.
[23]
FZ
Not that it created a mass.
It created something
audible. It produced a sum indifference tone which happened
to be located within the audible frequency range. By
combining something so high you couldn't hear it and
something so low you couldn't hear it, it yielded something
in the middle that you could hear. Whether or not you like
what you hear in the middle is another question. The
concept is brilliant.
BM Yeah, because it showed you how physical reality is, or
the way it is, right?
FZ
It's one aspect of it.
BM
Are there other aspects you could talk about?
FZ If you buy the idea that the vibrational rates translate
into matter, and then if you understand the concept of
vibrational rates above perception and below perception
combining to create a reality, that opens up the door to
some pretty science-fiction matter possibilities. If you
can create an audible reality by a sine wave above the range
of what your ear can hear and another one from below, and
you put them together and suddenly it creates something that
your ear can detect, is it not possible that solid matter of
an unknown origin could manifest periodically because of
frequencies of some unknown nature above and below which,
for short durations, manifest solid objects? It could
explain a lot of strange things that people see.
BM
UFO's come to mind immediately.
FZ
Yeah.
BM There's much in the Theosophical literature, in the
mystical literature, and the mediumistic literature that
says that's the way reality is, and they hoick that up as an
explanation, but science traditionally doesn't buy that.
FZ I don't approach any of this stuff from a mystical
standpoint. I'm not a mumbo-jumbo guy. I think that there
are physical realities and most of them are not understood.
Part of the reason why science moves so slow is because many
of the people who do science and who receive grants have to
be "conservative" individuals in order to receive the money
to do the research. And people who can convince a
foundation, or a funding source, that they are conservative
enough not to squander the money are not really the best
guys or gals to do science. Give me some Teslas, bring out
some Teslas here. Give me some maniacs. Let's just try it
and see what happens. That's the way you're going to get
stuff to happen. The other criteria by which people are
funded is whether or not the end result of the research will
yield something that explodes or kills. If you can convince
a funding organization that you have a new way to kill, and
you are conservative and won't squander the money, you can
be in the science business.
BM So much of what you say is common sense and what people
have said a lot, maybe through history. But since World War
Two, there have been a lot of books written and movements
come up, and nobody seems to have the staying power to apply
it in a practical way. They get lost in the ideal of "this
is the way it should be", and then fumble when given the
opportunity, or don't even know the odds they're up against.
FZ Well, another thing you have to remember about all
science and all art: it is impossible if you're starving to
death. Society has to reach a point where you can be selfsustaining to the point where your basic physical needs are
taken care of so you can allow your brain to think about
stuff like art and science. That's why artists and
scientists have to keep their eye on the economy. Because
if things get tough, they can't do their shit anymore.
BM
Scientists and artists?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
So, that's another warning.
FZ Because as the economy declines, the willingness of
people who control cash to spend for research on things
other than stuff that kills... basically it has to kill you
or you're not going to get any money for it. For every cure
for something, implied in it is: withholding the cure
causes death. So, basically, if you want to be a largescale murderer, you can clean up. Occasionally, when times
are good, they'll fund something else - by accident, who
knows how it happens? ? But when times are tough those
projects never get a buck and actually research departments
close down. You can't afford to run them anymore so the
only thing that's left is weapons. And once you build a
weapon, what are you going to do? You gotta use the
weapon. And the thing has to have planned obsolescence so
you can update the weapon. It's the spare parts contract
that's really the thing that all these defense guys are
interested in. Everything wears out. They're not going to
run these new weapons in a test environment. They're going
to be in the desert. Dirt will get in there. Gotta sell
them some more camshafts. Whatever it is, they're looking
at long-range economic benefits from building a weapon. And
in order to use something that kills people, you have to
have a reason to kill people - a war. If not a war, a
regional conflict, a small war. AT very least you have to
single out somebody to be an enemy and you have to direct
your national interest to the destruction of the enemy.
Now, we've been going along for years with Communism. Only
it's not working so well anymore because the Communist just
did some ju-jitsu. They're becoming Capitalists. And what
the fuck is going to happen then? Who are we going to go
after then? This is a big worry.
CD
The public.
FZ I think that is very true. The public. That is
absolutely true. Look, this new drug law creates the
position of Drug Czar, but the amendment to the drug law is
this pornography bill. Did you know that?
BM
No.
FZ
You didn't know that?
BM
I haven't hear it.
FZ At the last minute they attach this anti-pornography
rider to the drug bill. This is to go after people that
they claim have been long-time purveyors of obscene
material. And what it provides is that, just as in the drug
bill, if a guy has a yacht and he's using it to run cocaine,
they can confiscate the yacht. Let's say you were in the
record business and you had been a long-time purveyor of
obscene material, they can confiscate all of your property.
This goes back twenty years. It's a twenty-year retroactive
bill.
BM
When was that implemented?
FZ
Yesterday.
BM When was it discussed?
yesterday?
You mean, it was made a law
FZ Look, you know about the drug bill. They've been
diddling with this thing for quite some time, but on the
side... I actually saw the debate on C-Span. I think the
thing was drafted by Strom Thurmond and rammed through by
Orrin Hatch. They first tried to attach it to some child
care bill.
BM
This is earlier this year?
FZ
This is within the last month.
BM
Really?
FZ
Yes.
BM O.K. I've been on vacation for this past month.
missed this.
FZ
I've
Congress is trying to shut down, they all want to go
home and campaign. And they're trying to crank out all this
legislation. So, yesterday it was announced on CNN that
they had attached this amendment to the drug bill in order
not to have a mutiny by the conservatives in the Congress.
So, all the Democrats went along with it and allowed them to
paste this. The drug bill is bad enough, but they've pasted
this other thing onto it. So, the drug bill allows for the
creation of a Drug Czar. Can there be a Porno Obscenities
Czar coming up within a matter of moments if they actually
make this a law? I think the whole thing is
unconstitutional, but before you can take it to the Supreme
Court for a test case, you know Reagan will sign this thing.
It'll be on the books, they'll be out there enforcing it and
then there will be a test case that will go to the Supreme
Court. Now, if they delay it long enough to go to the
Supreme Court, they're going to have all right-wing judges
on there. They're going to uphold the law and what you will
have at that point is the machinery that the Nazis would
have loved to have had in place at the beginning of their
career. This offers the legal right to stamp out any kind
of intellectual activity because there's no legal definition
of obscenity. You can't really nail it down. And any
person can claim that something is obscene. Here's another
thing it allows for: Not only the confiscation of property,
but it allows for prosecution of the person making it, the
person shipping it, and the person receiving it. You don't
even have to buy it. If you received it, you can be subject
to this law. It is the most broadly written, nefarious
piece of legislation I have ever heard.
BM
And it was made law yesterday, October 20.
FZ I don't think it's been signed into law yet. I believe
that they announced that the porno amendment was attached to
the drug bill yesterday. I believe there's still some
discussion. But I have no doubt that it stands a very good
chance of getting through, partly because a lot of the
people in the Congress have already gone home to campaign,
and they're not even there to vote on it. And you know the
conservatives are going to be there to vote on it because
it's the Fascist dream come true.
BM How did you put your autobiography together?
understand you have this other writer.
I
FZ Well, there's a sad, sad story. In January, before the tour,
we're rehearsing, and I had this obligation with Simon
and Schuster to do the book and I'd been putting it off.
And while we were rehearsing, we'd rehearse from two in the
afternoon until one o'clock in the morning, and from one
until six A.M. for three weeks, every night I would sit here
with this guy and do taped interviews. And we'd just talk
about whatever we wanted to talk about, and then he went
away and had it transcribed and changed it from the way I
talked into book talk. And when he sent it back, I hated
it. So, when I finished the tour, I went in and rewrote it.
I just took advantage of what he had collated, but I put it
back into my own words. So, it's not like "as told to".
It's not exactly like one of those kinds of things. It
really has more to do with the way I write and the way I
talk than it would have.
BM So, it's better that he screwed it up because you didn't
have the time before.
FZ That's right. I mean, I was forced to do it. The
result, I thought, was so bland that I couldn't possibly
have my name on it. No way. I don't care what they were
going to pay me for it. There was no way. I just had to
force myself to sit for six weeks in this little room up
there and type a book.
BM
That was July-August?
FZ
Yeah.
BM Well, I'm glad that happened because when I had heard
about this guy Peter Occhiogrosso doing it, I said, "Oh,
well, it's going to be filtered through him". But it's not.
That's much better.
FZ It's much better. It's got some funny stuff, and there
is at least three chapters that I wrote from scratch that
never even went to tape. Because some of the stuff is so
complicated, there's no way to take it off a tape. If you
convert a conversation into the type of data that had to be
in the book, there's no way to say it precisely without
writing it from scratch, and that's what I tried to do.
BM If you had written a book and said, "Hey, publish this",
they might not have done it. It had to go through the book
Establishment, the book industry connections.
FZ Not necessarily because Simon and Schuster would have
loved for me to have agreed right away to write the book.
I'm the one who said, "Look, I don't want to write a book".
BM
Oh, is that right?
FZ
I'm happy to have the money, but...
BM They were interested in what you had to say in your own
words?
FZ This particular editor was, yeah. She thought there was
a market for it, not that she didn't give a fuck what I'm
saying. Based on some of the things that she wanted to take
out of the book, I don't really believe there's any deep-
seated understanding of what the contents are, but she saw
it as a merchandising winner. She thinks she can sell them,
and they're going to have it in paperback sitting in
airports before the end of the year.
BM
And there will be a lot of political information in it?
FZ There's not so much information as my attitudes toward
certain things. There's a whole chapter on conservatism.
There's another chapter on religion. There's a long chapter
on the PMRC and all the unreleased data about that. A lot
of stuff about music. Just all different topics.
BM What I was trying to think of earlier was your emphasis
on chemical terms to point out that music is "food." I
mean, maybe that was an attitude in the Forties and Fifties.
There was this lofty ethereal approach to art, and your...
FZ What's lofty and ethereal about that?
is real.
I mean chemistry
BM No, that's what I'm saying. That you brought in the
chemical, physical metaphors, in a scientific sense. Being
like a scientist approaching sound and music.
FZ I got that from Varese. He was moving in that
direction, too. He was the first clue that I had to that
type of thinking.
BM
That was when you were young?
FZ
Yeah, fifteen.
BM That's interesting. McLuhan once said, "Science is
moving closer to Art, and Art is moving closer to Science".
One could maybe project different meanings for those things,
but your music moved towards physical metaphors.
FZ I don't know whether I would buy "Science is moving
closer to Art". I think Science is moving closer to
weaponry and Art is moving closer to commercialism. And the
never twain shall meet.
BM Yeah, but in your work, you're trying to make a point
with this science, these vibrations, and talk of physics,
talk of sound acoustics, bringing that into the musical the dialogue of composition in there.
FZ Yeah, the point is not to be mystical, or to be
anything, other than to create a vocabulary wherein
essential things that work in music can be described in a
way that a person who deals in hard science can understand
it.
BM So, you're trying to help the scientists get a
little...?
FZ No, because they don't care about music. Scientists
care about science, but it goes back to Egyptian religion,
alright. In ancient Egypt, in order for you to go to
heaven, you couldn't get there unless you knew the name of
everything on the way to heaven. Did you know that?
BM
No, I didn't know that, said that way.
FZ Well, here's what you had to know: you had to know the
name of the doorstep or you couldn't walk over the doorstep.
You had to know the name of each of the stones that you
walked on, the name of everything because you had to ask
permission to pass. Can you imagine living your life
learning the names of everything you had to know in order to
be dead and get to heaven. Now that's a religion! But the
importance of naming things correctly is something that
shouldn't be underestimated. Semantics should be more
important to contemporary society. You have to give things
the right name. If you're going to communicate verbally,
you have to have the right word to tell what it's about.
Now, I don't think that it benefits anyone to call a shoe a
"banana". It could be poetic, but this is a shoe. Alright,
I'm working in a musical, technical medium because the music
I make involves machines of a scientific nature. And I have
to create for myself a vocabulary, good, bad or indifferent,
that allows me to deal with the topics of the data that I
have to manipulate to do what I do. If I were working in a
purely acoustic medium and on a simpler level, I wouldn't
have this problem, but I'm straddling two worlds here. I'm
straddling the world of electronics, in some cases advanced
electronics, and the old-fashioned world of putting notes
together to make a composition, and there's no off-the-shelf
vocabulary that you can use to do that. And at the point
where you see that there are physical similarities in the
behaviour of the way the composition will work and the
behaviour of the way the electrons will be working in the
electronic gear, or whatever, if you see that, why not state
it. You should say it, and once you've said it, you should
use it in your everyday work. You should make it part of
your reality. Now, I don't think that most of what I do is
useful to other people in terms of this vocabulary, or in
terms of the concepts, because they'll never use them. It's
useless, but you asked the question and that's where it is.
BM Adam got control, according to the Bible, over the
animals by naming them.
FZ
Really?
BM
Yeah.
They got that from the Egyptians.
FZ You see, I'm not a Bible scholar. I had enough Bible
when they sent me to the catechism classes when I was a
Catholic, and all I know is he was full of dread. It's a
religion that's based on fear and punishment and loathing.
The whole Catholic version of what the Bible says and what
it does is quite a bit different than the way the
Fundamentalist Christians deal with it. So, I wouldn't
consider myself to be conversant with the bulk of the stuff.
BM I think it was during that interview where you were
talking about the speech-song, "sprechstimme", you were
saying you had solved some musical problems. Who had those
musical questions? Did Varese have them?
FZ No, questions that I have to answer for myself. These
are questions about how you get the point across. And
oftentimes I've just appropriated the speech-song. When a
person sings a word, the idea that is transmitted transcends
the word because there's so much other data connected with
the word at pitch. Understand?
BM
Are you talking about sound?
FZ No, the person hearing, receiving the data, is not only
receiving the word.
BM
The "meaning"?
FZ That's right, the text of the word. He is also
receiving the pitch data at which it is sung. In other
words, that same word sung at a high pitch means something
different than the word sung at a low pitch. He is
receiving the data of the harmonic climate in which the word
exists. He's also receiving the data of the relationship of
the pitch of the word to the climate itself. In other
words, if you have an A minor chord and the word is sung on
a B, then that word is going to stick out because it's not
part of the chord. There are three notes in an A minor
chord - A, C, E. If you sing that word on any of the notes
which are part of the chord, it recedes into the chord.
It's part of the background. If the word is sung on a note
which is not part of the chord, it steps out from the chord
and draws attention to itself and becomes a matter of
emphasis. These are the types of extra data that exist when
you sing a word. An extra spin gets put on the word if you
half say it, half sing it. It makes it even more 3D. It
leaps out from the harmonic support and draws even more
attention to itself if you've been singing along and you
hear this melody and you get to this certain part and you
half sing it, half say it. And it sticks out even further
if you absolutely say it because it's incongruous in the
setting.
CD
Well, that's probably activating both sides of your
brain at the same time.
FZ I don't know about that stuff. I don't know about left
side/right side stuff. I'm not sure that I even buy the
theory of it. To me, it sounds simplistic.
CD But the music supposedly goes into your right brain and
the spoken word goes into your left brain.
FZ I don't know enough about the research that leads people
to draw that conclusion to see whether or not I agree with
it.
BM
So, did you finish your explanation?
FZ That's one of the questions: how do you get your point
across? Besides what time it is, that's one of the big
questions that a person ought to be asking.
BM
What do you think about the minimalists?
FZ I'm not enthusiastic about minimal music because I think
that it's like the one-joke composition. You take any
composition and repeat a single element for a small eternity
and the joke is over. Are you going to build a career out
of repeating small elements over and over and over again.
The subtext to minimalism is that it's cheap to produce.
The subtext to minimalism is that it's cheap to produce.
It's Taco Bell music. It's cheap to rehearse, cheap to
mount, and because it doesn't really offer any great
intellectual challenge other than the stamina of the
listener to tolerate an infinite number of repeats of a
small thing, what's the message? This is a musical question
which I feel is easily answered and has been answer amply
many times, and so it is not a musical question that I am
particularly curious about, myself.
BM The one we just explained - harmonic climate, note and
pitch relationship - in Gestalt psychology, they talked of
figure/ground, that was the way...
FZ
Oh yeah, figure/ground.
BM Which reminds me, you defined Gestalt in Circus
magazine, back in '69, as "something big" [24].
FZ Gestalt, the way people normally hear the word, is when
it's connected with a certain type of psychology. But
Gestalt doesn't mean just that. It's like "concept", isn't
it? Isn't that the real translation? An idea object,
that's what I'm talking about.
BM See, there's idea object, matter/mind, concept art, or
MIles asking, "What's the IDEA behind this, Frank?"
People's interests go either for the image of the idea.
FZ Well, you have to understand the way in which people
voluntarily decide to consume something or participate in
it. It has more to do with their own orientation than it
has to do with the concept or the conception of the person
who made the object being consumed. Got it? Like what I
put into the things that I make has little or nothing to do
with the way in which people consume them and the reasons
they might buy a record, or buy a concert ticket, or listen
to this radio broadcast, or whatever. Because those reasons
have more to do with them than they do with me.
BM Just to switch to another level - are there any movies
that you have found interesting, likeable, valuable that
have come out over the past eight years that you would
mention.
FZ
Movies?
BM Yeah, I read in some interview that you watch movies a
lot.
FZ I wouldn't say a lot. I think I watch more news that I
watch movies, but the problem is that my recreational hours
are limited. Usually the first thing I do in the morning
when I wake up is turn on the news in our bedroom just to
get a blast of that before I brush my teeth.
BM
That's CNN Headline News.
You get the repeat.
FZ I don't get the Headline News, I get the droning long
version. They cycle that in one-hour or two-hour blocks.
BM
But it's CNN?
FZ Yeah, CNN. So I turn on CNN and i watch that, and then
I go to work, and then after I'm finished work, I'll turn on
CNN, or I'll turn on C-Span and I'll scoot around and look
for news. If I've already seen it or if I know what's
coming up, then I'll switch to one of the movie channels and
I"ll watch that. But I don't go to the movies. The only
movies that I see are things that have already been out.
BM
Any that you've found surprisingly good?
FZ There've been a few, but I can't even remember the names
of them. I think basically the quality of films in terms of
content leaves me pretty empty, doesn't stimulate me at all.
I used to like monster movies when I was a kid just because
they were so laughable, but, even now, they're nauseating.
BM Around '79 you were asked if you ever cried, and you
said that movies make you cry [25]. What part? What kind
of content - how bad it is?
FZ No, no. It's completely irrational. I mean I can do
the same thing going to a Broadway show. I can literally
hate the show and find myself crying because of something
that happened in there. And I know that the fact that
liquid comes out of my eyes has got nothing to do with
reality. I'm sitting there consciously thinking that this
show is a piece of shit and I'm crying, and I'm saying to
myself, "Well, at least I have some sort of average-scale,
average-size, average-vulnerability human factors working".
But at the same time I'm sitting there going "Why?" And
I've given some thought as to what motivates people to have
that feeling for no reason at all, to just start crying.
It's not even because it's sad. And I haven't got that down
to a thirty-second sound bite yet, but one of these days I
will. I just know that what people normally think of as
human feelings are not what they think they are. I see
chemistry here.
BM That's very interesting because I have the same thing
happening to me when I go to movies and I wonder, while I'm
sitting there observing it, what physical chemistry is
working on me that I know I"m not aware of, but it activates
the body.
FZ
Yeah.
BM Well, I'm glad I asked that question. That's an
interesting answer. So, you're still working on that one?
FZ
Yeah.
BM No policy statement yet. When you put out CRUISING WITH
RUBEN AND THE JETS in '68, many people were surprised that
you liked that music. Do you still like that music now?
Have you changed? Would you put out CRUSING WITH RUBEN AND
THE JETS now, if it hadn't been done then?
FZ It would be harder to put it out now because we're so
much farther away. '68 is a lot closer to '58 then it is
to '88, and it would be hard to find vocalists. In order to
give a convincing rendition of that style of music, you have
to have singers who understand the idiom, and they're
getting harder and harder to find.
BM In the book "Does This Kind of Life Look Interesting To
You?", there's a picture of you from Melody Maker, about
'67, under which you wrote, "Here I am, propping up the
glitter shortage" [26].
FZ
That wasn't my text.
BM
Oh, O.K.
Do you remember that?
FZ
Is it me in a dress?
BM
Yeah.
FZ The original headline for that was "Meet a Mother". It
was the front page of Melody Maker, and the reason that I
did it was we had a bunch of pictures taken with all the
guys in the Mothers Of Invention wearing dresses because I
think the Rolling Stones had just done a drag photo. Only
they tried to make it look glamorous. And so, we had
probably the ugliest band on the planet at that time. You
want to see an ugly guy in a dress? Look at this son of a
bitch.
BM So, whatever was written under there about a glitter
shortage was done by someone else. I just thought it was
some kind of ecological marking like "I see a trend, I
create a counter-trend to balance it off". Now, you did
that with CRUISING WITH RUBEN AND THE JETS. You know, you
wanted people to get back to dancing together.
FZ
Oh, that was a joke.
I don't think that....
BM Yeah, it's a joke, but it's social criticism, it's
interesting. CRUISING WITH RUBEN AND THE JETS comes out
then. Is it totally "I want to do this now, I want to hear
this and I want to get this on record" or are you saying,
"Maybe these people need to know some of this" just to
balance it off?
FZ
Both those things.
BM Yeah, that's where you get an idea - what you would like
to do, that's the fun part, and then you see a need for it.
FZ Well, I see a need because I'm watching the news and I'm
looking at my environment, and I spot trends and I say, "How
can I be useful?" One useful thing I can do is say, "You're
all in this trend but have you considered the possibility
that there's something wrong with your trend? Have you ever
doubted that maybe a Rolex watch as a life goal is perhaps
not quite the pinnacle of human achievement?"
BM Now, that's easy to do, in a way. Maybe it's not easy
to pick the right trend, but to criticize what's obvious in
commercials or in magazine ads...
FZ Well, you think it's easy unless you put yourself in a
position where, if everybody believes that that's the way
the world is, you run the risk of being hated by everyone
because you're popping their bubble. AS if you could pop
their bubble. There's no way I would ever dissuade a person
who believes in the Rolex mentality from not going after the
Rolex. They could care less what I think about them, but it
still needs to be said.
BM
For those who are teetering on consciousness.
FZ That's right, right on the fucking brink. And the other
thing is: maybe twenty years from now, if we're still
around, and people look back on those idiot Yuppies and the
stuff that they were interested in, there will be on guy who
said, "Take the Rolex and stuff it"> And it's the same
thing with WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY album. At the time
that Hippies were happening, you couldn't say anything
against Hippies. They were hot merchandise. You couldn't
ridicule them. And to ridicule them and have long hair,
that was blasphemy.
BM
Maybe that's why you were blacklisted.
FZ
Could be.
BM You screwed up the marketing, although there's probably
evidence for other reasons. I heard Dave Porter's interview
with you last week and I liked that part where you said,
"There is still that chunk of people from the McCarthy era
that are still very powerful on the political end and move
through still 'fighting that fight'" [27].
FZ That's right. You've got to understand why they're
"fighting that fight". They're not fighting a fight,
they're selling a scam. The whole McCarthy era was a scam,
and it was another attempt to just clamp down. It was a
move toward authoritarian government. It was a tool that
was used by people who wanted to move things in that
direction. It wasn't just McCarthy. It was J. Edgar
Hoover, he was a willing accomplice in all this stuff. He
was feeding him the information.
BM That's what was interesting about Mae Brussell's
research because she had those names that were very involved
in the Fifties and then in Reagan's California government.
People like Louis Giuffrida who was involved in REX 84 that
was exposed by the Christic Institute. That team came from
the Sixties and from the Fifties. What was interesting was
that Larry MacDonald was part of that network and they were
caught. Do you remember the Western Goals issue here in Los
Angeles in '83?
FZ
Yeah.
BM It was not covered in the national media for a long
time, but MacDonald's Western Goals organization was to
appear before a grand jury around the middle of September of
'83, but he went down in the KAL 007 two weeks before. And
that's where Larry Flynt comes in because Larry questioned
the standard line on the causes of the KAL 007's crash.
Then he met Mae Brusell who turned him on to what was really
behind this same core of people that go back to the Fifties
because the files of Western Goals kept had been outlawed in
the Seventies, but then the files showed up in L.A.
detective Paul's wife's home computer in '83. You saw what
happened to Larry then - you witnessed it.
FZ
Yeah.
BM What do you think of Larry being quite subdued now, and
Hustler magazine being totally changed?
FZ I haven't seen Hustler for years so I have no idea about
the evolution of the magazine, but Larry was on to
something. I think that he was way off base on the 007
case. I think that it's far too much to hope for - that you
could willingly get the Russians to assist you by shooting
down a certain plane in order to keep a guy from testifying
in front of a grand jury. I think that's pushing the
envelope. And I told him.
BM
Well, he didn't say the Russians did it.
FZ No. But, ultimately the plane was shot down by a
Russian pilot, O.K. Now, if it had been blown up in mid-air
by a bomb, maybe, but it was shot down.
BM
So what was his angle on it?
FZ He made that big full-page thing. And I was at his
house when the "mechanical" for it came into his office, and
I read through it and I said, "This is too extreme. People
are going to laugh at you". So I gave him some language to
add on to it. The first one went out without the language
and I think subsequently the language was added to it, but I
don't even remember the specifics of the full-page or even
the language. I just know that there was something about it
that just seemed a little bit skewed, and there was some
stuff in there that seemed reasonable. But the way in which
it was presented could have been more effective if it would
have had just this extra thing at the end. And that's where
I tried to help him.
BM
And that went on the later printings of it?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
He believed that the Russians didn't do it?
FZ No, it's not that he believed the Russians didn't do it.
He believed that there was more to it than the fact that
three Russians had shot it down by accident. He was into
the conspiracy. He had another axe to grind with this guy.
There was something else.
BM
You don't think that there was a conspiracy?
FZ No, I think that it's really far-fetched to think that
any right-wing covert U.S. organization could then get in
touch with their friends in Russia and get them to send out
the lone fighter pilot to nuke some airliner who just
happens to go off course into this air space. I think
that's asking too much of coincidence.
BM
Other than it was blown up.
FZ
Yeah.
BM But the Russians went along with the story then.
could you get them to do that?
How
FZ Yeah, how do you get that kind of cooperation? I just
don't think that people are that cooperative in large-scale
cover-ups. There's always something that falls out.
BM The overall effect of our conversation seems to be that
you've acquired a lot of information. You've paid attention
daily, and one can acquire a lot of information just by
being open-minded. And you keep saying, "Well, obviously
the common-sense solution or approach to this problem is
this".
FZ
Or at least one of them.
There may be more.
BM And so there's no conscious strategy. For example, I
think in that interview in Rolling Stone, of '79, when you
talked about being a journalist, you said, "I see certain
elements and then I impose a pattern on them" [28]. Do you
remember that quote?
FZ
No.
BM Unless it was a misquote.
suggests that...
It may have been, but it
FZ It doesn't even seem like what I do. I don't impose a
pattern on it. I look for a pattern. I don't impose a
pattern on it.
BM yeah, it implied there's a conceptual continuity pattern
that you...
FZ Conceptual continuity has got nothing to do with me
analysing the news. Conceptual continuity has got to do
with me living my life and turning my life into things that
entertain other people. The things that I release in the
video and the records and the rest of that stuff, it's part
of my life. For whatever it's worth at that time that it
comes out. That's a byproduct of my life. That's the
conceptual continuity. Analysing the news is not me
imposing a pattern on the news. I try and get as much data
as I can and then, based on what I"m able to gather
together, I draw a conclusion. And those conclusions could
change if I get more data.
BM Conceptual continuity implies an idea. The way you've
just said it, it is a biographical continuity or mental....
FZ No, no, there is a concept to what I'm doing and there
is a continuity to the concept, and I happen to be living
inside of the concept. I'm a participant in it.
BM And the concept is common sense and taking in data and
learning.
FZ
That's not the conceptual continuity.
BM
Could you correct me then?
State...
FZ Well, the conceptual continuity is this: everything,
even this interview, is part of what I do for, let's call
it, my entertainment work. And there's a big difference
between sitting here and talking about this kind of stuff,
and writing a song like "Titties and Beer". But as far as
I'm concerned, it's all part of the same continuity. It's
all one piece. It all relates in some weird way back to the
focal point of what's going on.
BM Does it relate in a way that you will see more obviously
later?
FZ Well, I think that quite a bit of the continuity is made
obvious by what we've discussed here. And I think that if
there is a way to absorb all this in one sitting on a
broadcast, if anybody knew enough about what I'd already
done, they would see that there is a coherence to it that's
been very purposeful, and it's been going on for what,
twenty years, twenty-five years, something like that.
BM I think of the scientist metaphor and the chemistry,
that point that you saw from Varese and you said, "Yes, that
needs to be said". And you keep at it, that idea, that
image, that model, the chemistry of music, and maybe it's
implied in the tenets of your church. Can you "synopsize"
the continuity in the past three hours? I tried to say it
was the "conceptual continuity".
FZ
As above so below.
BM
But "as above" what?
FZ
As above so below.
CD
Fill in the blank.
You pick the "what".
BM That was very interesting to talk about how this
interview relates to something else that's gone before.
other words, you're trying to communicate. This is the
situation we're communicating.
In
FZ Well, that's one of the things that differentiates us
from... pick a lower species, you know, fill in the blank.
We have the ability to communicate with each other using
tools which other animals don't have access to. Whether or
not we use them properly is yet to be determined.
BM Now, I'm asking for the right words to come out, or the
words that I would think hit the thing on the head, but it's
the process of communication, what we're doing here, is what
you're talking about - your life, your day-to-day taking in
of information. It goes into your work if it's appropriate
- an interview, a new encounter. That is the conceptual
continuity.
FZ No, that's random. you allow yourself to experience
random events like people coming in. I don't know what's
going to happen in this interview. I never know when I do
any of them. You allow for random events. The conceptual
continuity is something that is steered. It's not random,
it's steered. There is an idea that moves it in a
direction. It's an object.
BM Your will or perception of something you think should be
included, or an order?
FZ Yeah, like you're taking your data environment, you're
reordering the data environment in order to transmute it
into something else, transmute it into entertainment.
BM Is that attention? Is that steering mechanism
attention? Is there an image that it's referring to?
FZ You mean, in order to steer, you have to have a North
Star?
BM Yeah, is there a North Star in your process?
think there is, is there?
I don't
FZ There doesn't need to be. In fact, the only time a
North Star is useful is if you have to steer in a physical
dimension - in order to get from one place to another in a
type of dimension where those spatial relationships are
recognized as reality. AT that point you need a compass and
you need your North Star. If you're in another dimension,
where those types of relationships don't exist, you don't
need the North Star.
BM
You may need another kind?
FZ
Not necessarily.
BM
You allow the randomness to happen?
FZ Well, if you work in a dimension where everything's
happening all at the same time, then that would kind of
indicate that there wasn't such a thing as distance, either
spatial or time difference, or whatever. That's a unity
point. So, where's the navigation? You're already there.
BM
So you could incorporate what comes to you in time...
FZ It's like a black hole. All you've got to do is sit
there, all the shit is going to pour in the hole anyway.
BM
Now, there's a negative image - black hole.
FZ
No light escapes?
BM
yeah.
FZ Well, no light escapes until the density increases to
the point where it blows a hole in the other side.
BM Alright, so this steering mechanism is attention. It's
thinking of it as entertainment, which is sort of offering
"slack", creating "slack" in a situation.
FZ There's nothing better for a human being than some form
of entertainment. It's good for you. Now, if you think
hockey is entertaining, which I don't, go get hockey. If
you like opera, which I don't, go get an opera. Everybody
needs to have something to take the pressure off of them,
something where they can stop thinking about their normal
factory rate for a while.
BM
And that's a guiding principle?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
Is that part of the conceptual continuity?
FZ
Yeah.
Sure, that is an esthetic value.
BM I think you pinned it down to my satisfaction. You
mentioned hockey. I lived in Nova Scotia for many years and
I remember, around the time 200 MOTELS came out, you were
doing a radio interview in New York, and the disc jockey
asked you, "What do you see in that mural" There was a
mural in the studio that he always asked people to look
into, and you answered, "I see Billy with a hockey stick".
Now, is that what you actually saw or was there a reason to
say Billy had a hockey stick, at that point?
FZ
That's what I saw.
Some things are very, very simple.
BM
What are the most complex things?
FZ The most complex thing is trying to get people to
understand that everything is happening all the time, and
make them believe it. That's a rough one.
BM Yeah, now that's interesting. Are you including the
survival of death. I don't think your church believes that
one survives death. In the church tenets, isn't it spelled
out there? "We do not believe we survive death" [29].
FZ
I don't think that that's actually said in there.
BM
Alright.
When we talk about time...
FZ I'm not talking about afterlife. This is not mystical,
metaphysical stuff. I'm talking about, you know...
BM
All time exists now.
FZ
Yeah.
BM
And we can experience it all now in this lifetime.
FZ
Yeah.
BM
Therefore, one lifetime is many lives?
There it is.
FZ Look, you've got a brain that is part of an organism
which will decay. It runs down. Until they find a way to
keep the oxidation process from continuing to the point
where you rust yourself to death, you're going to fall apart
and you're going to die. There you go, O.K.? Now, you've
got X number of moments of your undead state to deal with
whatever you're going to deal with. And I think that the
best way to do it is to deal with as much as you can deal
with while you're alive, not as little. Just deal with it.
BM So, another way of trying to get people to believe that
all time exists now is trying to get them to have an open
mind, open senses, to not filter data that's coming in.
It's the same thing.
FZ You've just got to listen to all the stuff that's coming
in, good, bad, and indifferent. And hope that you have the
educational preparation to be able to sort it. That's one
of the problems why people would find what I do difficult
for them to adapt to because I got out of the U.S. school
system at a point where you could still learn to read and
write, and I don't think that you can do that anymore. I
think that the basic education that people receive in this
country is so pitiful that they can't. They're not even
equipped to sort data. And I don't think it's an accident.
I think that the school system has been purposely damaged to
keep people from being able to sort data because only a
person who can't data will vote for a guy like Bush or
Reagan. You have to be numb.
BM You have to be numb and at the same time, while they're
making the school system impoverished, they are increasing
the information flood on people with cable, the
multichannels, and fiberoptics. This is the...
FZ
More dread.
BM Yeah. So, maybe someone could overcome the stupidity
that's been trained into them?
FZ I think it's possible, but it's just too expensive. And
there's a lot of people who would say, "I don't want to
know. I just don't want to know". And perhaps more than
fifty percent in the U.S. prefer not to know. They have a
suspicion that if they knew, they would be unhappy because
they knew, and they will go to any extreme to keep
themselves from knowing. In fact, they will even attempt to
harm people who will help to let them know.
BM
And that's our problem.
FZ
That's one of them, yeah.
BM
How many problems do we have?
FZ A lot. But it all boils down to a problem of mental
health. One of the most excruciating forms of mental health
is greed. Bad mental health is a greed problem. If you
look at all the ways in which greed, as a negative mental
health state, has translated into physical problems for
people all over the world, you can trace a lot back to that.
BM
So, who are the brain police?
FZ It could be anybody that decides to opt for employment
in that organization. A lot of people police their own
brains. They're like citizen soldiers, so to speak. I've
seen people who will willingly arrest, try and punish their
own brains. Now that's really sad. That's vigilante brain
policism. It's not even official, it's like self-imposed.
BM You once said that nobody ever figured out who the brain
police are.
FZ
I've been working on it.
BM
Still working on it?
FZ
Yeah.
BM
Some candidates?
FZ It's hard to pin it down to one central agency when you
realize that so many people are willing to do it to
themselves. I mean, the people who want to become amateur
brain police, their numbers grow every day - people who say
to themselves, "I couldn't possibly consider that", and then
spank themselves for even getting that far. So, you don't
even need to blame it on a central brain police agency.
You've got plenty of people who willingly subject themselves
to this self-mutilation.
BM
And you knew that for a long time?
FZ
Well, no...
BM
But to say you're working on it implies some other...
FZ There's more, there's more. Look, I'm sitting here
right now and I'm telling you I'm still thinking about
stuff, and I tell you what I've got fully-developed
conclusions on and what I don't. And even the ones that are
the fully-developed, if I get new data tomorrow that changes
it, the next interview is going to have something different.
BM
What are some of the conclusions so far?
FZ Whatever you've got on the tape. I don't sit around and
consciously think of a catalogue, but if somebody asks me a
question, I'll just give you my best read at the time.
BM Because when you said that nobody had figured out who
the brain police are, you yourself hadn't figured it out
yet.
FZ
I know they exist, but who they are is another question.
BM
O.K., they exist.
FZ
It's multiple, multiple.
It's not only stupidity.
BM Multiple answer, multiple levels, but there is our own
self-policing going on. How would you characterize some of
the new techniques that they're using? Well we've spelled
that out in the interview.
FZ
Yeah, you've already got that.
BM Yeah, so this interview has been an attempt to figure
out who are the brain police.
FZ Well, you could say
true. I think that the
be able to sum it up to
are the brain police, I
said here.
that, but I'm not sure that's really
interview is what it is, and to just
say we're trying to figure out who
think this diminishes what's been
BM Cheapness, that's right. So, this interview is not going
to end.
FZ Oh yes it is. (Everyone laughs.) Look at Gerald beating
his leg over there. He knows.
BM
O.K., I think that's a good way to end it.
FZ
O.K., there you go.
The interview is now over.
-----------------------------------------------------------Footnotes:
[1]:
Rolling Stone, Dc. 13, 1979, second page of article,
last column
[2]:
Life, August, 1988, p.76
[3]:
International times, Oct. 21-Nov.7, 1979, p. 20
[4]:
New York Times, Nov. 8, 1970, p. 17
[5]:
International Times, Oct. 21-Nov. 7, 1979, p. 20
[6]:
Cosmic Awareness, as channeled through David E.
Worcester, November, 1969. The actual statement given
by Awareness when asked to comment on the musical
ideas of Frank Zappa was: "This Awareness indicates
that this entity is one who moves and collects
response from many areas that these become a
kaleidoscope to be embroidered for the texture of
sound. This Awareness indicates that each of these
then becomes an entrance from a two-dimensional system
into many other areas of visualization".
[7]:
International Times, Oct. 21-Nov. 7, 1971, p. 20
[8]:
International Times, Aug. 29-Sept. 11, 1969, p. 9
[9]:
See inside cover of YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS
[10]:
Music Box, BBC Sky Channel, December, 1984
[11]:
Musician, September, 1988, p. 46
[12]:
That's Life (a television magazine show produced in
Toronto), 1981
[13]:
Crawdaddy, Vol. 4, No. 7, May 25, 1970, p. 31
[14]:
Rollins Stone, July 20, 1968, p. 14
[15]:
Seventeen, March 1972 p. 158. This article was part
of a column called "CLOSE-UP: On Zest in the West Rocking in the Sun" by Edwin Miller. Under the topic
heading Philosophy, Frank Zappa was quoted: "I
believe the basic stuff of the universe is in the
shape of waves, not subatomic particles. Then, if
the two components of the universe, waves and time,
are actually one, and if a wave equals a wave, all
time equals all other time and you aren't going
nowhere because you've already been there. Viewing
this whole mechanism from a distance, it would just
be a solid object."
When I returned home to Toronto, I looked up the
original quotation but the source magazine was not
identified. However, I found in my archives another
interview with Frank I had never read before. To my
surprise it had the above quotation plus much more.
I have included a copy of it at the end of the Notes.
It is a remarkable synopsis of much of what Frank
says in this interview and answers my very first
question. If I had read it earlier, I might never
have needed to talk to Frank again.
[16]:
Rock(?), September(?), 1976, article by Eve
Brandstein called "Secret Life of Zappa", p. 66
[17]:
International Times, August(?), 1969
[18]:
International Times, August(?), 1969
[19]:
Newsweek, June 3, 1968, p. 91
[20]:
Musician, August, 1979, p. 40
[21]:
Cream, December, 1974, p. 39. The actual statement
by Frank Zappa as printed in the article was: "Frank
Zappa is the guy who makes those albums. But there's
another Frank Zappa, who is also crazy but you don't
really know about. Information on his identity will
contribute towards no useful function in contemporary
society".
[22]: A short comment in a television program of unknown
origin, 1978(?)
[23]:
Los Angeles Free Press, Aug. 8, 1969
[24]:
Circus, Jun, 1969, p. 42
[25]:
Oui, April, 1979, p. 126
[26]:
"Does This Kind of Life Look Interesting to You - Ten
Years on the Road with Frank Zappa and the Mothers of
Invention", 1974, p.10-11. The actual comment on p.
11 was: "Far below left, F.Z. goes "dressy-dress"
during 1967 glitter shortage"
[27]:
David Porter's weekly Saturday morning radio show
"Genesis of a Music", KPFK, Los Angeles, Nov. 5, 1988
[28]: Rolling Stone, Dec. 13, 1979, second page of article,
bottom of first column.
[29]:
Harper's, April, 1988, p. 28. The article featured
the tenets of the Church of American Secular
Humanism.
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Yo Per,
I first got bent on Zappa in the Hot Rats/Wazoo/WOIIFTM days. The world
is a bit duller place now that he has been carried to Valhalla on his
mixing
board. It will be up to the rest of us to provide the missing weirdness
now,
I know I can trust you to do your part. So let's get to work and "Shut up
and
play..."
What IS this thing, anyway?
The only small consolation is that I have moved up on slot in the
misanthrope
rankings. Who could say it better than Frank, when he said
"People are shit until proven otherwise."
Amen, Brother Frank, amen.
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He will not be forgotten....
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By the time you read this you will probably already know, Frank Zappa is
dead.
He died
on Friday 12/4 and was buried on Saturday. Man I can't even work today.
I'll
be doing
as many tribute shows and I can get on the air. Damn I feel bad, kids.
wil
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: UK obituary (Grauniad)
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This obituary appeared in the Guardian newspaper today (7/12/93)
as usual there are a number of inaccuracies, but the tone of the
piece is warming. (For those who don't know, the Guardian is
notorious over here for getting things wrong.)
Frank Zappa, who has died in Los Angeles of prostate cancer aged
52, was one of the great innovators of popular music of the past
25 years, a composer and performer whose prolific output spanned
-and often collided with- rock music, jazz, avant-garde orchestral
work and satire.
He was a confusing, often contradictory figure who will be
remembered initially for his outrageous image back in the sixties
and seventies: his rock band, The Mothers of Invention, his
campaigns against rock music censorship, and his more recent dips
into international politics as liaison officer to the West for the
new Czech government.
But he deserves credit as a serious musician who was willing to
take enormous gambles on - and devote much of his own wealth to writing and recording his often idiosyncratic work. With Zappa,
image and reality were often at odds.
It was a contradiction that he was well aware of. Back in 1975,
he was in London to appear in court against the Albert Hall
management (they'd banned him from appearing four years earlier).
He complained: "I'm very famous, but the number of people who
know my music as opposed to seeing a poster of me sitting on the
toilet is very disproportionate." On that occasion he had asked
me to take him to Dingwalls, in Camden Town, after saying "I just
sit, and people invent their fantasies around me". Sure enough, he
had just sat, continuing his dry and intense conversation, and the
fantasies started. One man began explaining how the infamous poster
changed his life, and another suddenly offered to " throw out
anyone who annoys you".
During the early eighties, he often spent months at home in Los
Angeles, in the hills above Laurel Canyon. Across the road from his
large family house, was a building protected by a barred gate and
video camera, that looked as secure as any jail. There Zappa spent
most of his time with a recording studio and video editing suite.
"I don't like Los Angeles. I only live here because I can get my
equipment maintained. I haven't found anything that's as interesting to do as working, so my idea of a good time is to stay at home
and work."
On that occasion, he was working (as usual) on an almost absurd
list of prjects. There were new albums, film treatments, videos,
plans to re-treat, re-release and partially re-record a back
catalogue of 35 Mothers of Invention albums, as well as his own
orchestral works with complex rhythm patterns that "are derived
from speech patterns".
Much of his orchestral work was performed live for the first time
at the Barbican in 1983 by the LSO, bravely conducted by Kent
Nagano. Zappa paid for the concert and subsequent recording, and
had paid $500,000 for the scores to be written out. It was not
intended as a commercial venture. "The reason I write music is
because I like to listen to it, and if there are other people who
like to listen to it then that's fine. I've saved up for years in
order to make this happen."
While other sixties heroes cashed in on nostalgia, Zappa moved on,
lost interest in rock bands, and even in the guitar, though he was
one of the great guitarists of his era. Instead he moved to
electronics and the Synclavier sampler, which he used to create
sounds that could not be achieved by conventional instruments.
As a self-styled "composer-businessman" he knew that he could have
made a fortune by reviving his old material and re-forming the
Mothers, but instead he worked on new, complex material almost to
the end. A new album The Yellow Shark was released last month, and
another, Civilisation Phase III is due in the spring. There are
thought to be hours and hours of unreleased material on tape in his
studio.
His final "serious" compositions may have seemed a world away from
the Mothers, but Zappa had taken an interest in avant-garde styles
even when he first emerged as one of the wildest and freakiest
figures on the West Coast. His early rock satires, such as we're
only in it for the money, mixed meticulous playing, split-second
timing and rapid shifts between different styles with the humour
and obscenity that became Zappa's early trademark. He had grown up
in Southern California listening to doo-wop, blues and rock 'n' roll
but also to Stravinsky and Varese.
He started out by playing in bar bands, recording for low-budget
films, and recording singles in his own studio. He joined a white
soul band who were soon transformed to become a vehicle for Zappa's
cynical, satirical songs and electric rock style, and re-named The
Mothers Of Invention by an astute record company executive.
Starting with a double album, Freak-Out! (1966), Zappa released
over 50 albums, with or without the ever-changing Mothers. He
was always switching direction - from rock satire to jazz-rock
or the avant-garde and back again. As he insisted back in the
mid seventies: "I might be working on 10 styles at once, but
only put one on a particular album. I keep reading about the
direction I'm supposed to be going in, but that's wrong." He
worked with musicians like Captain Beefheart, Lowell George and
Jean-Luc Ponty, and much of his work "is written around the musicians, because I like people playing to the limits of their skill".
Inevitably his vast back catalogue includes peaks and troughs. His
sixties output includes the often brilliant, vicious satire of
We're Only In It For The Money, while in 1970he demonstrated his
impressive jazz-rock guitar on the instrumental set Hot Rats. The
same year saw his first collaboration with classical musicians at a
performance of 200 Motels, with the Los Angeles Philharmonic under
Zubin Mehta. The orchestra were required to snap their fingers
(which they did) and belch (which they didn't).
A blend of jokes, serious music and scatalogical humour began to
wear a little thin by the end of the seventies and early eighties,
with over extended works like the three album Joe's Garage, though
song titles like Why Does It Hurt When I Pee continue to shock.
His biggest commercial success, Valley Girl (1982) was a return to
vicious satire in his treatment of California youth culture. It
featuredf his then 14-year old daughter Moon Unit.
Zappa may have spent much of his last years in seclusion but he
could still grab the headlines. In 1985 he played a big role in
the campaign against the censorship of rock lyrics, then being
mounted by the influential Parents Music Resource Centre lobby.
The PMRC were outraged by the deliberately provocative and sexually
explicit lyrics of a new wave of heavy metal bands. For Zappa this
wasn't a debate about an unsavoury pop subculture. It was about
free speech, and Zappa took that very seriously indeed.
In September 1985, he testified before the Senate Commerce Committee hearings on pornography in rock, and in a witty but angry speech
argued that "bad facts make bad law, and people who write bad law
are more dangerous than songwriters who celebrate sexuality". The
hearing ended with a compromise: warning stickers had to be stuck
on albums that contained explicit lyrics. Zappa stuck an enormous
spoof sticker on his new album, Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of
Prevention (which included recordings of the Senate Committee
hearing).
Zappa's success in Washington launched an unlikely new political
career. His work had always been taken very seriously by
dissident musicians in East Europe, and after the fall of
Communism Zappa was invited to do cultural liaison work with the
West for the new Czech government. He was involved in discussions
with the governments of Czecheslovakia, Hungary and even Yugoslavia
(before the civil war) on the creation of a regional cultural fund.
There were indications that this campaigner for free speech and
capitalism might have found something more interesting to do than
staying at home and working. He had begun to consider a political
career in the States, and had been involved in voter registration
work. He had even talked of plans to run for president, as a
"non-partisan candidate" (he could never join the Republicans after
his battles over poornography with the religious right), but such
plans were shelved as his illness became worse over the last four
years. His death leaves America a greyer, more timid place.
Robin Denslow
Also in the Guardian is a shorter piece in the arts section,
but as the above took me a hour to copy, I'll do it later.
Toodle-pip
Ranko
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From: Binegar Birne
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: R.I.P. Francis Vincent Zappa
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: Oklahoma State University, Math Department
I have been waiting for two days now to see a post concerning
Zappa's death. Since there has been no mention of this
sad topic I thought I should at least report what I know.
Yesterday (Monday, Dec. 6) Good Morning America reported that
Frank Zappa died in his home of prostate cancer. He was
buried in private cemermony in Los Angeles on Saturday, Dec. 4.
my condolences to all, Birne Binegar
-Birne Binegar
Mathematics Department, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 74078,
USA
Email: binegar@math.okstate.edu
Tel. 405-744-5789
Fax. 405-744-8275
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From: Mark Mudgett
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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In article <2e0ejl$58r@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(The
World Renown Jason Boskey) writes:
|> Ummm, Frank Zappa never used drugs. It was his policy to not allow his
group
|> to use drugs on tour with him either. Also, he was definitely someone
who
|> stood for what he believed in.
|>
|>
|>
________________________________________________________________________
|> |Jason "The Bosk" Boskey
| "Never kiss by the garden
gate"|
|> |E-Mail: Bosk@uiuc.edu
| "Love is blind
|
|> |
jab55062@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu| "But the neighbors ain't"
|
|> |
jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
|-------------------------------|
|> |-------------------------------------|
|> | Disclaimer: My opinions are just that, mine. If you don't like
|
|> | what I say, don't listen.
|
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------Frank was a notorious nicotine addict, and frequently berated "drug
users"
with a butt in his hand. Preaching to kids about drugs while feeding his
addictiion showed a certain hypocrisy.
But, yes, he did stand for what he believed in.
A great composer, guitarist, and songwriter. His wit and creativity will
be
missed! So long Frank!
"Do ya love it, do ya hate it, there it is the way ya made it."
-|| Mark C. Mudgett
Telephone: (508) 879-1916 ext 6945 ||
|| Bose Corporation, MS 15D
Internet: mudgett@bose.com
||
|| The Mountain
Fax:
(508) 879-4806
||
|| Framingham MA 01701-9168
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From: Roy Walter
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: Re: UPI obituary
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Shannon Lawson (lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: In article <2e00p3$51d@panix.com> rwalter@panix.com (Roy Walter)
writes:
: >
: >As published on AOL:
: >--------------------------------------------------------------: >
: Francis Vincent Zappa Jr., the oldest of four children in a GreekSicilian
: >household, was born Dec. 21, 1940, in Baltimore, Md. When he was 9 the
family
: >moved to California.
: This is not correct. His real name is Frank Vincent Zappa. Not
Francis.
: Not Jr. Even Frank thought his first name was Francis (like his Dad's)
for
: a long time, but he eventually found that his name was really Frank.
See
: "The Real Frank Zappa Book" for the reference.
: >Studio Z folded after Zappa made a 10-minute porno film for a used car
salesman
: >who turned out to be an undercover policeman. Zappa was arrested,
served 10
days
: >in jail and was on probation for three years.
: It was *not* a film. It was an audio tape, and he mostly did it as a
joke.
: He and a lady friend made noises for the tape. They thought it was
funny,
: and they were going to get paid for just making noises. That's it.
Again,
see
: "The Real Frank Zappa Book."
: >"Once all that stuff started happening anybody stating the case at
all. I
have
: >the right to state my side of the case as an independent guy."
: Something seems to be missing from this quote.
again.
: >Transmitted:
Read the first sentence
93-12-06 07:31:00 EST
: He'll be misunderstood and misquoted for some time to come, it seems...
: Shannon Lawson
: lawson@zappa.sps.mot.com
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From: A nagy Istvan
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 14:50:45
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
>From: joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK)
>Subject: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 20:55:53 GMT
>THAT ****** RAT ****** DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A ******** DRUG ABUSIN
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT ******* CAN ROT
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Ah yes. Very mature post there. Don't you all love it when people use
such
universally calm diction? Yes, Ol' Joe Six Pack WAS the same one who
posted
about river phoenix. On misc.test, of all places. Funny thing. Drugs and
Beer will both kill you, it's just that beer is legal. Same with abortion
and murder. Because hey. I don't like Zappa either. I am against all
forms
of Rock and Roll or whatever he was. But that's no excuse for a bunch of
smut like our mutual friend posted here.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a sig. Any appearance of this to a genuine sig file
is purely coincidental. In fact, this whole posting may just be
a figment of your imagination. But if you truly believe in your
heart that this is genuine, you may direct all flames, writings
and other such nonsense to Steve Estep. My address, which truly
is genuine, is, S1078395@cedarville.edu. Alias, A Nagy Istvan.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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: Re: FZ RIP (Was Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 15:17:29 GMT
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skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au (Shane Kershaw) writes:
I'd like some thoughts about tracks to play during an one hour radio
show,
to be braodcast locally on Saturday, 11 December from 1pm - 2pm. I've got
most
of the catalogue, but none of the boots or YCDTOSA5or6
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and I respond...
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I have always been partial to "Night School" from "Jazz From Hell.".
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From: Mike Quigley
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: Ignore "HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!" posts!
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 15:32:56 GMT
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I really wish people would ignore posts like this. There was something
similar in rec.arts.movies after River Phoenix died a few weeks ago.
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu>, joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Fortunately, the world will remember more about what Zappa
had to say about the 'Joe 6-Packs' of the world than they
will about what the 'Joes' themselves had to say about
Zappa. Accept your benighted hops-besotted insignificance
Mr. Joe - all you will have to show for your existence
is a pile of empty beer cans. Zappa left us art - an
attitude and a worthwhile perspective on life. Hope your
kids become neo-flowerchildren ...
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From: Magnus Persson
: magnuspe@Minsk.docs.uu.se
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: Thx for everything, Frank
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 15:34:08 GMT
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: Uppsala University
No one (except my friends and relatives) has meant so much for me as
Frank Zappa did. He learned me a lot about music and life,
and I hope his music will continue to inspire the generations to come.
Music is the best & You are what you is
Bye Frank
Magnus
-Magnus Persson 1dan
t89mpe@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
Uppsala University, Sweden
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From: Todd Leonard
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: Re: Alcohol references (was Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA...)
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 16:05:09 GMT
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In response to a really lame article, mrloop@nit.pactel.com (Mark Loop)
writes:
|> I don't think you have a *clue* as to what you're talking about. Frank
|> Zappa did *not* take drugs, or even drink, for that matter. I cannot
|> think of any songs promoting drug use and only "Titties & Beer" come
|> to mind with any real reference to alcohol.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How about Joe's Garage?
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From: Joe Newman
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: Re: Frank Zappa Remembered
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>Hendrix threw pieces of his guitar out to the crowd after he
>burned and then smashed it at Monterey. I think what was left
>may have been built back up - the body was painted a very
>colorful paisely scheme by Jimi himself - but I'm not sure.
Well, if you're not sure, why did you bother saying it? Actually,
the Hendrix strat was one that Hendrix had burned in Miami, not
Monterey. I would be amazed if the guitar smashed in Monterey was
rebuilt.
This commonly repeated inaccuracy is fairly innocuous. Another one
that was repeated in some of yesterday's press releases is a little
more annoying. It is commonly stated that Frank's arrest in Cucamonga
was for a porno film. In fact, it was an audio tape of simulated sex.
It is also rarely mentioned that, at the time, Frank was desperate
for money, and the police exploited this when they entrapped him.
-Joe Newman
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From: Cliff Heller
: fnord@panix.com
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In <CHn04H.8G5@uwindsor.ca> bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (Boucher David)
writes:
>I heard that Frank had died this morning on a *country* music station -your news is inaccurate.
Frank died on his bed.
-/ \
The Reverend Void-Where-Prohibited
fnord@panix.com
/<0>\
Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.
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sins!"
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"Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the HELL out
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: Re: rest in peace, Frank
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In <ELI.93Dec6100639@glare.cisco.com> eli@glare.cisco.com (Steve Elias)
writes:
>please don't let the lesson of this avoidable tragedy be lost on you,
>fellow zappa fans. if you're male and above 30, get your prostate
>checked once a year by an MD.
And quit smoking!
Don't tell me his abuse of nicotine/tobacco did not contribute to his
early
demise.
-/ \
The Reverend Void-Where-Prohibited
fnord@panix.com
/<0>\
Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.
/
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sins!"
/_______\
of it!"
"King Kong died for your
"Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the HELL out
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From: Doug Obrecht
: obrecht@imagen.com
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>skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au (Shane Kershaw) writes:
>I'd like some thoughts about tracks to play during an one hour radio
show,
>to be braodcast locally on Saturday, 11 December from 1pm - 2pm. I've
got most
>of the catalogue, but none of the boots or YCDTOSA5or6
Some of my favorites are:
Peaches En Regalia; Florentine Pogen; Montana; Nite School; Oh No/Orange
County
Lumber Truck; G-Spot Tornado (Yellow Shark Version); Waka/Jawaka; Toads
of the
Short
Forest; Holiday in Berlin Full Blown/Aybe Sea; It Must Be A Camel
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QMS Inc.
| expressed here are mine alone.
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From: Mark Burton
: mburton@netcom.com
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: Re: Frank's gone...
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:23:45
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I've been reading the posts since Monday morning. This was the best way I
can think of to hear the news -- among fellow friends of Frank's.
I was a Freshman at Georgia Tech when I first got into Zappa. I went to a
local record store and saw a double-cassette titled "Sheik Yerbouti" by
some guy named Frank Zappa. I recognized his name, and thought I
remembered reading that he was a good heavy metal musician.
I shelled out the $17 for the tape, got into my car, and started driving
home. Shoving the tape into the tape player, I was "assulted" by "Nah nah
nah nah nah" of "I Have Been In You."
This was not quite what I was expecting (thinking all along that it was
going to be heavy metal) but I forced myself to keep listening (after
all, I'd just shelled out 17 bucks!)
I got on the highway, and the next song came on. Since I was new to
Atlanta, I took a wrong turn. Cars were getting in my way, and traffic
was very confusing. I finally figured out where I was going, and someone
cut me off!!
At that moment I suddenly heard the music again -- it was saying exactly
what my brain was saying to the driver who had cut me off -- "You're an
asshole! You're an asshole, that's right!"
Suddenly, I was jumping up and down in my seat laughing and feeling
great! I rewound the tape to the beginning and heard it in a whole new
light. I listened to that tape over and over and over again until I
finally got a CD player and bought "We're Only In It..." Now, I have
every single Zappa CD put out, bootlegs, videos, posters, books,
magazines, articles, a scrapbook.... you know.
Saturday, December 4th was my first year wedding anniversary. For some
reason, his passing on that same day makes me feel like he was saying
goodbye to me. I only spoke with him once, and always dreamed of meeting
him. Now, I'll have to wait to join him in THE BIG NOTE.
I went to work Monday and tore off the pages of my word-of-the-day
calendar. At that time, I believed he had died on December 5th (for all I
know, he did in my time zone) , and I
wanted to see the word for that day. I knew somehow, that it would have a
message for me.
The word for that day was "eviternity" which means "everlasting existence
after death." Amazingly appropriate. How's that for cosmic coincidence?
That's not all...
I receive tons of mail in my job from other musicians. Monday morning I
opened a letter to find a manuscript of a song entitled "I'm Free" (words
copyright 1992 by Helen Mae Kress):
"Don't grieve for me, for now I'm free.
I'm following the path God laid for me.
I took His hand when I heard him call.
I turned my back and left it all.
I could not stay another day --things left undone must stay that way.
Be not burdened with times of sorrow.
I wish you the sunshine of tomorrow.
My life's been full, I've savored much -good times, good friends, a loved one's touch.
Lift up your hearts and share with me,
God wanted me now, he has set me free."
-Mark
-Free as the wind.
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: olemo@dhhalden.no
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <olemo.395.2D04ADE1@dhhalden.no>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:22:57
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
>
>
>
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Like yesterday, I still refuse to flame anyone, relying instead on the
hope
that someone forgot to log out.
-Magnum
Snail-mail: Ole M. Olsen
E-mail: olemo@dhhalden.no
Hovsveien 130
olemo@gyda.dhhalden.no
N-1769 HALDEN
NORWAY
Spelling and grammar errors are righted intentionally.
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From: Marten Haggstrom
: euamhm@eua.ericsson.se
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: Never die
Msg-ID: <2e2aka$mmg@euas20.eua.ericsson.se>
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: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
No one has enjoyed me as much as Frank! I miss you, Frank!
The musik will continue to live and i will continue to listen.
/Marten
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From: Cliff Heller
: fnord@panix.com
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: Re: There will come a time....
Msg-ID: <2e2cq2$lqf@panix.com>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 11:59:46 -050
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: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology
In <stellaCHn7Ir.M6q@netcom.com> stella@netcom.com (STella) writes:
>And for me, the most wonderful thing that happened was that they
>played a song that contained a line "there will come a time when you
>won't even be ashamed that you are fat".
>That made a lot of difference to me, as a pudgy college freshthing,
>and it still resonates for me.
How reassuring.
And 14 years later, he recorded Jumbo Go Away.
Then how did you feel?
-/ \
The Reverend Void-Where-Prohibited
fnord@panix.com
/<0>\
Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.
/
\
"King Kong died for your
sins!"
/_______\
of it!"
"Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the HELL out
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From: Eric L. Tullis
: as500@yfn.ysu.edu
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: Names for card -- PLEASE READ!!!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 16:45:20 GMT
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: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Hello everyone. Many of you have sent your name to be included
in the group card for the alt.fan.fz board. The response has been
very encouraging, and I appreciate all the input, as will the
Zappa family, I'm sure.
Jason Colton had a good idea about including our locations as well
as our names. As I copied name after name that was sent to me, and
saw how global Frank's fandom really is, I realized too that this
is a great idea, and would do alot to show the Zappa family that
although the loss is felt the most right there at home, the entire
world is hurting as well.
So, if anyone else wants their name included in the group card for
alt.fan.fz, send not only your name but also your city and state
or country. Also, if you've already sent your name in, check the
list below. If your name is on the list, I need your city and state
or country info as well.
Please send all names and info to me at tullise@indy.navy.mil or
as500@yfn.ysu.edu... As I mentioned before, I'll be collecting
names for about a week or so, or until the names stop coming. I
want to have this card out to the family in time for Frank's
birthday on the 22nd. Thanks again for all your help and support.
Here's the list of folks I need city and state/country info from:
Chan Benson
Nicolas Berloquin
Mark Burton
Seth Colitz
Brad Corsello
Thomas Faenge
Richard Fox
Vance Galloway
Rick Gordon
Trevor Hall
Teemu Hanninen
Sudish Joseph
Ales Kantor
C. Gordon Keeble
Niklas Koponen
Juzer T. Kopti
Shannon Lawson
Dr. Stephen M. Marson
Duncan Mills
Gora Mohanty
Rik Myers
Mark Natola
Joe Newman
Kevin Tripp
That's about it...Thanks again to everyone!
Eric Tullis
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From: MADIGAN KEVIN M
: km9985@phoebe.albany.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 65 words 476 bytes
: Daniel Schor on NPR
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.162553.7165@sarah.albany.edu>
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: State University of New York at Albany
Yestreday, on NPR's "All Things Considered" was a wonderful send off
to Frank. It started with "Wowie Zowie" and ended with "Peaches En
Regalia". In the middle was a beautiful essay by Daniel Schor. I have
the whole thing on tape, but unfortunately, I left it at home. If there
is interest I will transcribe it later today or tommorrow.
Kevin
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From: Steve Ramirez
: sramirez@fission.intel.com
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
Msg-ID: <2e2ad9$kae@chnews.intel.com>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 16:18:49 GMT
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: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>"Music is the best!"
>
>Anybody want to post personal Zappa Anecdotes? I met him in '82 after
>sitting way high up in the Hartford Civic Center. He was investigating
sure. one of the funniest things I ever saw on TV was when Frank was on
the Aresenio Hall show several years ago (go figure). Ass-Hall, is his
usaul boot-licking "style" introduces Zappa as "the Z-man"!! Zappa comes
out with a slighty amused look(sneer) on his face.. Hall was trying to
get some kind of "outrageous" response out of Frank by asking him stupid
questions about his kids' names, etc., which Frank answered very
straight, actually he said that "luna" which translates to "moon" ius a
very common name in other parts of the world and it was only because
Americans were so lame and uptight that anyone made a big deal about it.
Aresenio was clearly out of his element by then... Then, he asks Zappa
about a song he's writing about Michael Jackson, Zappa says that he was
watching a news story about a MJ tour and they were interviewing a
black girl who was about 10-11, they asked her what she thought about
Michael, and her response was (imagine Zappa imitating a little black
girl" "...he UGLY! he look WHITE!!". Zappa quips, "that about says it
all for me...". Hall is visibly shaken, he can't seem to tell if Zappa
was kidding or not, they cut to a commercial with nothing else being
said. they come back from commercical, Hall says he's not going to
ask FZ anymore questions and they both just sit there for about 30
seconds until the band starts playing the closing theme !! Hall looking
very uncomfortable, Zappa with this "cat-that-ate-the-canary" grin..
Excellent!!
OB urban legend reference:
In a Michigan concert, Zappa challenges the audience to find "a grosser
mutherfucker than me". Some big jock gets up on stage, takes a shit, to
delight of the crowd, and then Zappa "out-grosses" him by rubbing it on
his chest.... How did YOU hear it??
-sramirez@sedona.intel.com "'E was the vilest geezer I ever met, all
misshapen,
no 'air, 'unchback, flat feet. Everybody 'ated 'im. Everybody 'ated me.
We
'ated each other, too, but nobody else would talk to us, so we'd just get
drunk
and criticize each other"
- Sid Vicious on Johnny Rotten
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From: Cliff Heller
: fnord@panix.com
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: Re: Zappa's dead
Msg-ID: <2e2cth$m5e@panix.com>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 12:01:37 -050
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: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology
In <reinoud-061293171625@mac171.bio.vu.nl> reinoud@bio.vu.nl (Reinoud
Bosman)
writes:
>Yes people, HE is DEAD!
>AND NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT IT HERE ??????????????
>What's the matter, why doesn't anybody say something about it? Was this
>area not for the REAL zappamaniacs?
Where have you been?
There have been more messages posted to this group in the last three
days,
than in its entire history.
I guess it just takes time to get across to the Netherlands. Either that
or your site has a dead feed.
-/ \
The Reverend Void-Where-Prohibited
fnord@panix.com
/<0>\
Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.
/
\
"King Kong died for your
sins!"
/_______\
"Don't just eat a hamburger, eat the HELL out
of it!"
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From: pchouinard@TrentU.CA
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: 66 words 659 bytes
: Turn ! Turn!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.170823.11569@trentu.ca>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 17:08:23
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: Trent University, Peterborough
"They were mellow, they were yellow, they were wearing smelly blankets,
they were Donovan fans"
.........................................................................
...
"You can feeback the fuzztone from your wah-wah"
.........................................................................
...
"No one could do it like you used to"
.........................................................................
..
You can tell right away, all us assholes really need you!
I'm going back to my smelly little secret black-light bedroom!
pppp
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: #9871420
From: Brandi Weed
: bweed@muddcs.claremont.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 83 words 620 bytes
: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <2e2ds2$p2t@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 17:17:54 GMT
Org.
: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA
Look, people, this is the same idiot who tied up God knows how many
newsgroups
with the "HAHAHAHAHA RIVER PHOENIX IS DEAD" thread for at least a couple
of weeks there. He's using an alias, and you can't e-mail to him, so just
sit on your hands and ignore him.
Followups to alt.fan.frank-zappa.
-Brandi Weed
"I've got a good mind to join the club
bweed@muddcs.claremont.edu
and beat you over the head with it."
--Groucho Marx
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From: Martin H. Booda
: booda@spop.navo.navy.mil
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Re: CivII Name Contest & condolences to a.f.f-z
Msg-ID: <2e276h$on6@spitfire.navo.navy.mil>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 15:24:01 GMT
Org.
: Naval Oceanographic Office
In article <CHns65.6MB@ufrima.imag.fr>, caffarel@ufrima.imag.fr (Florent
Caffarel) writes:
>>We need a name for this game.
>>We can't use Civilization 2 (Civilization is trademarked). If you
>>can come up with a name whose acronym is CIV, that would be clever
>>indeed.
>>To the winner of this contest goes a free copy of the game :)
>>-Devin
>Why not something like "Emperor" or "CIV-City" (!) or "World-Civ" or
>"Civ-Planet"...
How about "Civilization Phaze III"?
\!-)
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From: Jim Burris
: burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 103 words 671 bytes
: Re: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.170721.7313@spdc.ti.com>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 17:07:21
Org.
: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
In article <Mh10Og600iUz4CVs1Q@andrew.cmu.edu> Brian William Carroll
<bc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>
Ever year on Hendrix's birthday, a friend of mine buys a
>cheeseburger and fries and places them under a tree. I was thinking
>that on Frank's birthday I would buy a cup of coffee and a pack of
>cigarettes but I can't think of an apropriate place to put them.
"over by the dental floss bush"!
> ...stuff deleted
>
>Brian Carroll
>Carnegie Mellon University
>
>"and he quietly dreams he's last imaginary guitar solo"
Jim Burris
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: #9871423
From: huette
: huetcaji@w251zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 62 words 566 bytes
: Broadcasts in Germany??
Msg-ID: <2e2fs8$bn9@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 17:52:08 GMT
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Hello everybody,
if somebody gets information about a broadcast about FZ on TV
or radio, receiveable in Germany, please post it here or better
send me an e-mail.
Thank you very much
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huetcaji@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
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Juergen Huettner, Fichtestr.3, 10967
Berlin
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From: Leigh Orf
: orf@scrap.ssec.wisc.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
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: Re: Frank's Passing
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.172751.24246@cs.wisc.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 17:27:51
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: Atmospheric Oceanic and Space Sciences
I just posted yesterday about doing a FZ tribute (I am a classical DJ at
Madison's community radio station, WORT). It has come to my attention
that
FZ wrote a few pieces that are classical-ish which are not on his LSO
recordings. Could somebody post or e-mail me a list of the cuts & the
albums that they are on? Anything that would be remotely acceptable as
classical music. WORT is a cool station and I'm sure I'll be given lots
of
leeway. The tribute will be from 5-8 AM on monday (12/13). I am pretty
familiar with his music but not all of it obviously... he released so
much
stuff!
Thanks,
Leigh
RIPFZ
--
If you are a classical artist in the Madison, Wisconsin area and are
interested in being on the air, contact me!
Leigh Orf:::orf@ssec.wisc.edu:::(608)265-2324[work]:::(608)256-1708[home]
Gradual student of Atmospheric Science & early morning DJ on WORT 89.9 FM
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From: Bill Friend
: friend@aurs43.raleigh
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: WE LOST FRANK
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 17:24:05 GMT
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: Sun Microsystems
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From: Dianne Hackborn
: hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu
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: Knock-knock Zappa (was Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!)
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 15:19:11 GMT
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In article <pepke-061293110348@pepkemac.scri.fsu.edu>,
Eric Pepke <pepke@scri.fsu.edu> wrote:
| In article <2draks$7il@sabon.cs.arizona.edu>, andrey@CS.Arizona.EDU
(Andrey
| K. Yeatts) wrote:
| > *Philip* Glass?
|
| Knock Knock.
| Who's there?
| Knock Knock.
| Who's there?
| Knock Knock.
| Who's there?
| Knock Knock.
| Who's there?
|
| Philip Glass
| Philip Glass
| Philip Glass
| Philip Glass
Then I guess Steve Reich would be:
Knock Knock.
Who's there?
ckKno ckKno.
There's who?
ockKn ockKn.
Were hoth's?
ckoKn ckoKn.
Here whot's?
Steve Reich
Ste Reich ve
Re Steve ich
Reich Steve
And, of course, the Knock Knock tribute to Frank Zappa:
Knock Knock.
Who's there?
Bang Bang.
Yo who's the bro?
Ding Dong.
Cooommmmiiiiiing! (*)
Ring Ring.
Leave your name at the sound of the beep.
Frank Zappa.
The master-blaster, the man with a plan, the ham with the wham, Frank
Zappa!
Have *you* thought about Frank Zappa lately?
dumm dumm dumm Frank (doo wop!) Zaaa-aaa-aaaa-ppaaaaaaaaa!
(*) Of course the pun is intended.
Feeling a little better since yesterday, but not much,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Dianne Kyra Hackborn
"My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a
hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or
BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne
her as far away from a church as you can."
Oregon State University
-- Frank Zappa
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From: Chris Larsen
: clarsen@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu
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: Re: Bad News. (SLOW FEED)
Msg-ID: <5884@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Posted: 7 Dec 93 17:00:56 GMT
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: Emory University (BIMCORE)
I too loathe the death of the muffin man to the prostate cancer he
developed.
Multiple :(
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From: Benjamin Kline Lowenga
: ben@media.mit.edu
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.172130.25820@news.media.mit.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 17:21:30
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: MIT Media Laboratory
In article <1993Dec7.094337@bose.com> mudgett@bose.com (Mark Mudgett)
writes:
>
>In article <2e0ejl$58r@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(The
World Renown Jason Boskey) writes:
>|> Ummm, Frank Zappa never used drugs. It was his policy to not allow
his
group
>|> to use drugs on tour with him either. Also, he was definitely
someone who
>|> stood for what he believed in.
>
>Frank was a notorious nicotine addict, and frequently berated "drug
users"
>with a butt in his hand. Preaching to kids about drugs while feeding
his
>addictiion showed a certain hypocrisy.
>But, yes, he did stand for what he believed in.
>A great composer, guitarist, and songwriter. His wit and creativity
will be
>missed! So long Frank!
>"Do ya love it, do ya hate it, there it is the way ya made it."
Zappa considered cigarettes food. Whatever addiction nicotine spells for
people it doesn't drive them to shoot people or steal televisions or
jump off buildings in a petulent frenzy. Like pornography or evangelism
it will take the consensus of people to establish limits and controls on
whatever "addiction" cult they choose to follow, whether it's caffeine,
cigarettes, sex, booze..whatever. I'm not going to get into a discussion
about xx med reports concerning the effects of xx, but to say Zappa was
hypocritical about drugs is an overstatement. He stuck to his guns about
what he believed in, and was not suckered in nor did he sucker
anyone else with hype or superficiality.This is an admirible quality
in any human being. I hope this aspect of his personality is remembered.
benj
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From: Bill Friend
: friend@aurs43.raleigh
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: WE LOST FRANK
Msg-ID: <2e2fda$h98@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 17:44:10 GMT
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: Sun Microsystems
BEING 38 YEARS OLD I REMEMBER FRANKS EARLY YEARS.
THERE WAS A REAL BIG FOLLOWING BACK THEN. BACK IN 69'
WE ALL TOOK ROCK STARS AND IDENTIFIED WITH THEM.
LOTS OF DEAD FANS. PINK FLOYD, THE AIRPLANE,
THE MAN WITH THE GUITAR JIMI HENDRIX AND THEN THERE
WAS THE MOTHERS. BEING A CHILD OF THE 60'S AND
LIVING THROUGH THOSE DRUG CRAZY YEARS I HAVE A STRONG
BOND TO THAT MUSIC. WHEN I LISTEN TO ALL THAT OLD STUFF
I REMEMBER WHERE I WAS, WHAT I WAS DOING, THE FRIENDS I HAD
AND I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO DO IT ALL AGAIN.
I CAN REMEMBER SITTING IN MY FRIENDS BASEMENT IN 69'
AND HE THER MAKING ME LISTEN TO THIS CRAZY SHIT I'VE NEVER
HEARD, WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY. I REMEMBER THE
FIRST TIME I SAW THAT ALBUMN COVER, BEFORE THEY WERE
MADE TO TURN IT INSIDE OUT BACAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS
A RIPOFF OF THE BEATLES. I REMEMBER DROPPING ACID AND
LISTENING TO FREAKOUT AND WEASLES RIPPED MY FLESH.
MAN I DONT THINK I WAS EVER THE SAME AFTER THAT.
WE LOST JIMI, LENNON AND NOW FRANK. I DONT HAVE ANYONE
LEFT TO HOLD ONTO. ONLY THE MEMORIES AND THE MUSIC.
_______________________________________________________
OH NO I DONT BELIEVE IT YOU SAY THAT YOU THINK
YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF LOVE. DO YOU REALLY THINK
IT CAN BE TOLD? YOU SAY LOVE IS ALL WE NEED.
YOU SAY WITH YOUR LOVE YOU COULD CHANGE ALL OF THE
FOOLS ALL OF THE HATE. I THINK YOURE PROBABLY OUT
TO LUNCH.
_______________________________________________________
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Posted: 7 Dec 93 18:03:14 GMT
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The Pop/Rock band Toto's name was inspired from
Zappa's "Billy the Mountain", not the "Wizard
of Oz". David Paich, their keyboardist, was a big
fan of Frank in high school.
Anyone else have any bizarre tidbits?
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From: Robert Bartz
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: What else, his death
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.174500.25346@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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Yes, well as we all know, Frank is no longer with us. I'll admit I did
shed a tear or two when I found out yesterday. As a tribute, I put on
"Watermelon in Easter Hay" to remember what a great composer he was. It's
funny, when I saw Adrien Belew last October, he said Frank didn't look
too bad, but I guess it's over now. Good bye Frank. Now heaven has
another new band member (along with Hendrix, John Bonham, Miles Davis,
Jaco Pastorius, John Lennon, and Randy Rhoads).
Bob
"A prune is not a vegtable, cabbage is a vegtable, makes it OK"
- "Call Any Vegtable", 1967
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Frank Zappa - goodbye
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 18:10:50
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I feel very guilty. I have been a reader of this newsgroup for some time
now, but I temporarily unsubscribed last Friday due to limited time. I
just found out about his death from the same friend that broke the news
to
me about Isaac Asimov's death a year or so ago. This is very sad. I've
had a very tough year. One of my best friends from high school committed
suicide in July. My baby daughter, Brittany, died from SIDS in
September.
And now this.
You know, I married into Frank Zappa's (distant) family. My wife's
grandmother was a Zappa, though she didn't like to admit it. I always
got a kick out of it that my daughter had some Frank blood in her, but
now they are both gone.
I don't know what else to say.
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From: JParadis@vm1.si.usherb
: JParadis@vm1.si.usherb.ca
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: au revoir Frank !
Msg-ID: <CHoFn0.GDH@DMI.USherb.CA>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 18:06:35
Org. : Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
d'Informatique
Au nom des fans de FZ de partout au quebec . Nous te remercions pour
ton
oeuvre musical. Je me souvriendrez toujours de tes passages au Forum
de
Montreal... Merci encore mille fois !
In the name of all fans in quebec. We would like to thank you for the
musical
" chef d'oeuvre " you left for us. I will always remember the times you
came
in the Montreal Forum it was a very exiting experience for every one
who attends... Thanks again a thousan times !
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From: Thomas C. Allard
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <CHoA2w.HqM@glendora.uucp>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:06:32
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu>, joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Here is a UPI press release...
LOS ANGELES (Dec. 6) UPI - Frank Zappa, a composer, arranger, musical and
political satirist and social critic who released his ''The Yellow
Shark''
album just last month, died Saturday at his Laurel Canyon home after
battling
prostate cancer for several years. He was 52.
During his musical career, Zappa was typecast as an eccentric crank who
wrote
funny, controversial songs with dirty lyrics. His songs conjured up a
fundamentalist's nightmare of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, but Zappa was
anything but depraved.
Zappa did not take drugs or drink alcohol and had campaigned against
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
drug-taking since the 1960s. He also didn't permit his band members to
take
drugs on the road.
In fact, Zappa, who never drove despite living in Los Angeles, was an
astute
businessman. In recent years he had turned to international business,
forming
a licensing, consulting and social engineering firm investing in
U.S.-Soviet/Eastern Bloc joint ventures.
Zappa and his wife of more than 20 years, Gail, also ran their own record
label, Barking Pumpkin, a mail-order company, a video company and a music
publishing firm. The couple had four children.
A private funeral service was held Sunday.
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From: Neil Brewitt
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 14:36:32
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In article <2dvnmj$8mc@lsi.lsil.com> mcdonald@tengs5.teng writes:
> I heard Frank passed away at hte weekend, can anyone substantiate this?
Now that's class. About 100 of the 120 messages in my message base before
this one are ones of farewell to Frank. Maybe some folks just don't read
before they post.
Bye, Frank. You showed me the way....
And incidentally, I'd just like to say that it is truly beautiful the way
people in this newsgroup have responded. I'm no hippy, but I felt pretty
moved that there's been a global response. And so quickly too.
Neil.
(an up and coming composer)
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From: Klimek
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
Msg-ID: <2e2jqb$j55@darum.uni-mannheim.de>
Posted: 7 Dec 1993 18:59:23 GMT
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Boucher David (bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca) wrote:
: The best term for what you are describing is "extremely long orchestral
: compositions". You apparently believe that such works are the bench
mark
: that distinguishes "serious composers" from "mere" rock musicians. I
: reckon that by your standards, Miles Davis and John Coltrane do not
: qualify as "serious" musicians either, since they never wrote any
: symphonies.
I was talking about composers, not about musicians because I was
referring
only to composed music that is played from notes. So I didn't want to
discuss
jazz which is - as you might know - mostly impovised music. This means
that
I, of course, accept Miles Davis and John Coltrane as serious musicians,
but for sure they're not composers like Stravinsky etc.
Oliver
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From: William M. Eldridge
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: Memories of Frank
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 11:39:11 -080
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Yes, I remember Frank in various critical stages of
my life. Like at 12 years old, when I discovered
that most girls don't find "He inserted his mutated
member into her quivering quim" as outrageously
funny as I did. While doing Scientology, and
maintaining a subliminal "Church of Applientology"
and "L.Ron Hoover" primordial memory. And taking
off to Czechoslovakia when I found out Frank was
Cultural Minister, only to discover he tweren't
there when I arrived. So it go.
In the land of zircon-encrusted tweezers and pygmy
ponies, the one-eyed man is still a schlemiel.
Or as Werner von Braun might have said, "Any man
who would name his daughter after a lunar probe
is alright by me."
-Bill Eldridge
"Hung with care
bill@cognet.ucla.edu
by a jury de rigeur"
310-206-3960 (3987 fax)
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Posted: Tue, 07 Dec 1993 19:15:1
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In article <1993Dec6.194146.3257@tower>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu>, joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK) writes:
>> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
>> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
>> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>>
>>
>>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
>
Why the hell are we getting responses to this pointless post on
alt.music.enya??? Does anyone on this group remotely care whether he is
dead
or alive, and what anyone thinks of it? I personally think that the
original
was post was stupid, but it is really annoying to have to wade through a
load
of posts that have no bearing whatsoever on the topic of this group.
Can't
this be taken to a newsgroup where it is relevent, like alt.fan.frankzappa, or
whatever?
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: Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of cancer.
Msg-ID: <16C9D9CE4.REIDCOLI@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA>
Posted: Tue, 07 Dec 93 11:09:13
Org. : University of Regina
In article <1993Dec6.151217.237@lclark.edu>
rstone@lclark.edu (Rob Stone) writes:
>delisle (delisle@goshen.connected.com) wrote:
>
>:
In a CNN news report tonight they said that Frank Zappa
>: died and was buried Sunday in a private ceremony.
>
>:
They reported that he died from prostate cancer which
>: he had been battling for some time. he was fifty-two years old.
>
>I'm afraid it is true. I heard that he died on Saturday.
"At 6pm on December 4th, 1993, Frank Zappa left for his final tour"
was a quote from one of the Zappas.
We'll miss him....
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From: Erik Paine Brady
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 18:43:44
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I posted 2 things yesterday - are they still not here????
One of them was my transcription of the song "Solitude", that
Steve Vai sang in a rehearsal for Zappa's Universe. It's very
appropriate, but I'm going to kill the computer people if these
messages aren't getting through
(at uva, that is).
Erik, depressed and disgruntled
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So long Frank. We'll miss you. I listend to "Broadway The
Hardway" last night and felt a little better afterwards. :^(
#include <standard_disclaimer.h>
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: Re: verify
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Posted: Tue, 07 Dec 93 11:23:22
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In article <CHLwC8.B1n@ce.philips.nl>
i323859@phceaa20.cad-sg.ce.philips.nl ( HENK MEULENDIJKS
) writes:
>Maybe It is wrong but this morning the Dutch national radio said in a
newsbullitan that Frank Zappa died.
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>Normally I concider this as a rumour but this national radio.
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>verify please.
>
Yes, it's true.
Our hero finally succumbed to prostate cancer at 6pm on
saturday, Dec. 4, 1993.
Goodbye Frank.
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Posted: Tue, 07 Dec 93 12:26:39
Org. : University of Regina
In article <143303Z06121993@anon.penet.fi>
an53106@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Does Frank Zappa's death mean we can now rm this newsgroup?
>
NEVER!!!!!!!
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From: Klimek
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 19:24:45 GMT
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It seems I really kicked off an avalanche with my first posting. There
would be so much more to write about. But now that Frank is dead, much of
the discussion has become purely academic. Also it touches areas that are
not specific to Frank's music anymore, such as comptition in music
business
or questions about taste and quality in general.
From now on, only time will tell if Zappa will get a place in the "hall
of
fame" of 20th century composers.
So everyone should keep in mind what (s)he likes most of him, be it all
of
his music or only parts of it.
Sniff
Oliver Klimek
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 19:30:17 GMT
Org.
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In a previous article, bweed@muddcs.claremont.edu (Brandi Weed) says:
>
>Look, people, this is the same idiot who tied up God knows how many
newsgroups
>with the "HAHAHAHAHA RIVER PHOENIX IS DEAD" thread for at least a couple
>of weeks there. He's using an alias, and you can't e-mail to him, so
just
>sit on your hands and ignore him.
>
>Followups to alt.fan.frank-zappa.
Wonderful idea, and while we're at it, how about if you're not gonna
discuss his music, how about taking rec.music.dementia out of your
newsgroup
line when replying, especially if you intend to quote the original
drivel.
Those wishing to talk about FZ's music, which definitely qualifies as
"dementia" in the Dr D aspect, head over to r.m.d, otherwise it'd be nice
not to have another River Phoenix or Song Lyrics from Hell thread where
it
doesn't belong.
As a musician who only really got into Zappa in the last 7 years or so, I
feel saddened by the loss of someone firmly rooted and versed in many
different musical worlds...rock, jazz, classical (and of course, bad
doo-wop parody!) Who else could write something like "Broken Hearts are
for
Assholes" and quote one of the greatest 20th Century composers? (and
write
quite a lot like him, Edgard Varese, who foresaw synths years before they
were invented...listen to "Lumpy Gravy" for quite Varese-ish sounds) It
was
his refusal to stay in one vein & be pigeonholed that I respected.
Now I see that BW took out all the other newsgroups, oh well, I hope the
word here is spread to the other non-FZ/non-r.m.d groups. Thanks for
listening, and so long Frank.
C
-Chris P. Mezzolesta
Mentor, Ohio
ds003@cleveland.freenet.edu
music music music!!!
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From: J. Cobe
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: Just a Token
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...of my extreme. When I arrived at work yesterday, with saddened
heart, I had hoped for solace here, but all was strangely silent.
My co-workers were kind (my fandom is emblazoned weekly on my
whiteboard, often inspired by quotes here) with their condolences,
and more than a few have stated an interest in "taking another
listen". I felt at a loss. I met Frank in Joe's garage and he
changed my life. He was the only living hero I had. He embodied
characteristics I could respect - humor, integrity, principles,
individuality, fortitude, honesty, intelligence, insight - he was
a dedicated and steadfast family man, a tireless and courageous
creative innovator, he had no sacred cows, but was not simply a
critic. I still find his definition of democracy one of the most
clarifying for individual action, "Freedom does not mean you can
do anything you want, it means you can *choose* your responsibility."
So today, after a day of numbness, singing, "No, not now" and "Broken
Hearts Are for Assholes" (so I'll be an asshole for a while), I log
on, and you're all here. It made me cry at my desk. I don't feel so
crazy for admiring and missing a man I have only met in passing, but
whose life was an example of how I might live mine better. His music
was only the physical manifestation of the beauty of his soul, that
tangible vibration of his note in our world, and we enjoyed it for
the simple reason that it successfully connected us to soooo much
that is GOOD. Like, dare I say, each other. Every sentiment I have
read in these posts, I have felt, and deeply. My heart goes out to his
family. I hope that the words written here, by his fans, provides some
comfort, because he gave us so much. His music is THE BEST.
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mcsdc2gsf@dct.ac.uk writes:
> What with the unfortunate and untimely death of Frank Zappa......what
will
> happen to Zappa Records?
>
Will Gail take over now? Or will Dweezil be honoured with it.
> Hopefully all the intended releases for this year and later are still
> intended to be released.....it would be a disaster if now that Frank is
dead
> that his music is no longer released.
I think the latest release is already released by "The Zappa Family
Trust"
or something like that. My guess is there is already a number of finished
projects on the shelf that Frank set aside to look after Gail and the
kids
for years to come, and that eventually Dweezil will get into some
archival
releases beyond what is already queued. But I wouldn't expect any
releases
soon...
- Malcolm
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From: Ed Sutton
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: Zappa Anecdotes (was Re: CNN NEWS: Frank Zappa has died of c
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.201441.14636@bmers95.bnr.ca>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 20:14:41
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In article <1993Dec6.162408.2219@news.media.mit.edu>, ben@media.mit.edu
(Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
|> Anybody want to post personal Zappa Anecdotes?
Here's mine. I had just moved to LA late in 1977. I went to see his
concert at the Pauley Pavillion, got there about 1 1/2 hours before
concert time. A side door was open.
My God, he was onstage in the empty building, directing his band through
an a section. Not happy with their harmony, he had them sing a capella,
but he had to explain a capella to them. I moved down to right in front
of the stage and just watched the master at work for half an hour. He
looked at me at one point, obviously trying to decide if I was a threat
or not, and apparently thought I was not as he turned back and continued
to rehearse.
I have a few others, wanna hear 'em? I met Bruce Fowler at the Comeback
Inn, and asked him what it was like to work with Frank. He kind of
hemmed
and hawed, and said something like "Well, it was an experience." I got
the same story from another trombone player that had worked with Zappa
(something Farrell, I think, he was on Average White Band's first album),
he said basically the same thing. I saw him in action, and it can't
be comfortable working for him, he was a tyrant. But once you've played
in his band, you can get other jobs.
Last one. A friend of mine was teaching at Corvallis High School, and
one of his students baby-sat for the Zappa's. She told my friend that
'Dweezil' was the name Frank gave Gail's big toe. Is that a new UL?
Has anyone ever heard that before?
I will always regret not making an effort to meet or correspond with him.
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From: Matt Monsoor
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: Hello/Goodbye
Msg-ID: <1993Dec7.190656.5161@csus.edu>
Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 19:06:56
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I also wanted to say my goodbye to Mr. Zappa on the Net too. I have
always loved his work since the days of the Mothers. I have also been
fortunate enough to see both Capt. Beefhart and Frank live, both at
different shows though. The last time I saw Frank was back in the 70's
at the taping of "Another Band from LA" which was at UCLA.
Matthew
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: Zappa has just left the building...
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Sing it together folks...
-Bill Eldridge
bill@cognet.ucla.edu
310-206-3960 (3987 fax)
"Hung with care
by a jury de rigeur"
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: Gone but not forgotten
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Posted: Tue, 7 Dec 93 08:18:00 Org.
: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario)
I am very sad to hear that Frank has passed on. I remember a
T.V. interview he did a few years ago and he didn't look very good
then. Like some of you here I was lucky enough to see him perform in
Detroit in the winter of late 1977 or 78. It was a great time and still
ranks as one of the best concerts I ever went to see. I know that there
will never be another one like him but we will always be able to enjoy
the music he left behind.
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: My thought's on Frank's passing
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I share in the sadness all of you feel over Frank's recent and untimely
death, as his music, his thoughts and his actions were a big influence on
me and my tastes, and I (as probably all of the rest of you) feel like a
big
piece of me died along with him. I will be writing Frank's family to
pass
on my condolences, and I leave you with two comforting thoughts:
He refused to rest on his laurels, and therefore has left us with a vast
and rich legacy which I hope everyone will continue to enjoy and learn
from;
and...the torture (of his illness) finally stopped.
To those of you who are seriously considering killing themselves because
of
this, DON'T. I repeat, DON'T. If for no other reason, imagine if you
did
do it and met FZ in the afterworld. Do you know what he would do? He
would dismiss you as a "Suicide Chump" and walk away from you. Not good.
Life can be a bitch at times, but all of the good things I've encountered
(i.e. Frank's music) make me happy to be alive.
To close, an obligatory FZ quote for Six-Pack Jackoff: "Go fuck
yourself!"
-Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Save the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Ottawa (Corruption Capital of Canada) Email--aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie
"The media is the mess."--Marshall McLu (via Abbie Hoffman)
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From: Craig Shipley
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>>skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au (Shane Kershaw) writes:
>>I'd like some thoughts about tracks to play during an one hour radio
show,
>>to be braodcast locally on Saturday, 11 December from 1pm - 2pm. I've
got
most
>>of the catalogue, but none of the boots or YCDTOSA5or6
>
There is only one track to either end or begin the Zappa tribute with;
the
beautiful, heart-wrenching, "Watermelon In Easter Hay". First Zappa track
I
played after hearing the news. Fortunatly, "A Little Green Rosetta" came
on
after that and it brought the smile back to my face.
I am referring to the JOE'S GARAGE version of the two above. Granted,
some of
the Central Scrutinizers' comments will not make for family listening,
but I
found the one comment "Joe realizes that the end is near, etc." damn-near
devestating. Fiction mirroring fact...
Just got thru listening to "Waka JaWaka"; the gloom is beginning to lift.
Next
up THE GRAND WAZOO. Good ol' Frank; even though he's gone, he can still
help
me thru all this.
--m---------mmm----apply***
-----mmmmm---------mmmmmmm-
Craig Shipley
aka: craigs@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology Corporation
***std disclaimer
2970 Clairmont Rd.
Atlanta, GA 30329
Suite 850
(404) 728-8071
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From: Tijdschrift Severjanin
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Dear Frank,
May your last immaginary guitar solo be the longest in your entire
career.
I hope others will perform your music just the way you wanted to, with
the
right eyebrows on it.
Bye,
Remco, Groningen (The Netherlands)
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From: Tijdschrift Severjanin
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: Remco
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Dear Frank,
May your last immaginary guitar solo be the best and longest from your
entire
career, and may others perform your music just the way you wanted to,
with
the right eyebrows on it!
Bye Frank,
Remco, Groningen (The Netherlands)
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From: James Lee Robinson
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: Re: Zappa as serious composer ?!
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As a slight aside, one cannot dismiss a composer due to the "length" of
their serious works. If memory serves correctly, Anton Weber (or is it
Webern?), a modern composer, is regarded in a very serious light,
independent
of the fact that the bulk of his works could fit on one CD. In fact, that
is one of his strong points --- he can convey his emotions to the
listener with a very sparing use of notes and phrases. To dismiss The
Yellow Shark solely because of the length of the songs can only be
called juvenile. Is a short story author no less talented than a
novelist simply because of the number of words? I always thought that
it was more difficult to tell a compelling story with a minimum number
of words. Try and compose a well written informative essay on either
a broad or complicated topic in less than two pages. It is not too
easy.
So, I hope that the listening audience will value the content of each
note
with respect to the amount of information that that note has to convey. I
am sure that Zappa's works are just as powerful, yet infinitely more
efficent than a composer's such as Wagner (not to knock Wagner -- just
haven't gotten the nerve up to sit through the entire eight days of
the Ring Cycle).
I hope that I have gotten my thoughts across properly.
James
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: My thought's on Frank's passing
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: The National Capital Freenet
I share in the sadness all of you feel over Frank's recent and untimely
death, as his music, his thoughts and his actions were a big influence on
me and my tastes, and I (as probably all of the rest of you) feel like a
big
piece of me died along with him. I will be writing Frank's family to
pass
on my condolences, and I leave you with two comforting thoughts:
He refused to rest on his laurels, and therefore has left us with a vast
and rich legacy which I hope everyone will continue to enjoy and learn
from;
and...the torture (of his illness) finally stopped.
To those of you who are seriously considering killing themselves because
of
this, DON'T. I repeat, DON'T. If for no other reason, imagine if you
did
do it and met FZ in the afterworld. Do you know what he would do? He
would dismiss you as a "Suicide Chump" and walk away from you. Not good.
Life can be a bitch at times, but all of the good things I've encountered
(i.e. Frank's music) make me happy to be alive.
To close, an obligatory FZ quote for Joe(koff) Six-Pack: "Go fuck
yourself!"
-Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Save the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Ottawa (Corruption Capital of Canada) Email--aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie
"The media is the mess."--Marshall McLu (via Abbie Hoffman)
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 21:09:01 GMT
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> not-for-mail writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Frank Zappa never did drugs. It saddens me even more just seeing
messages like this. He was a truly great man and will be missed
immensely. Frank Zappa will climb to the highest point in heaven.
Joe Six-Pack, on the other hand, has reserved his seat in the deepest
depths of hell.
Frank, we miss you
Greg Duncan
UManitoba
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How about a standing O?
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In article <wolverene-061293220030@lanrover1-1.uoregon.edu>,
wolverene@aol.com
(Friend of Zappa) writes:
>I have known frank since I was a a little kid. I am also a close friend
of
>the family. Gail will be announcing a charity that you can make a
donation
>to in rememberence to Frank. It will probably be a library of some sort.
>Send mail if you have any questions.
I was thinking of a memorial concert where we would have a moment of
silence
before the concert, then a standing O to commemorate his works (1 minute
for
every year of his life, so 52 minutes for the standing O?)
*************************************
* Brian Colby | S14258BC@UMASSD.EDU *
* "Fame is being asked to sign
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* your autograph on the back of a *
* cigarette packet."
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From: Jeffrey M. Gold
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: YOU CAN'T DO THAT.....
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To be announced on WXDU, 88.7FM, Durham, NC all this week:
This Saturday morning from 9:00 - noon, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON RADIO
ANYMORE will be devoted to the music of Frank Zappa, who died of cancer
last week at the age of 52. Zappa's music included elements from a
wide range of musical styles, plus a good dose of humor, and was often
deemed controversial. Join host Jeff Gold for this 3 hour tribute
covering 30 years of Zappa's music on Saturday, December 11th from 9:00
- noon, right here on WXDU.
Any of you in our broadcast range better tune in!
-----------------------------------------------------------------| Jeff Gold
\ / "Did you say you want some more?|
| Department of Chemistry
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Well, here's some more!"
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| Duke University
/\
FZ
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| gold@chem.duke.edu
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From: Carl Beaudry
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: Cruel Sounding Warranty
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: Swarthmore College
Last night, I picked up my copy of "The Yellow Shark" to listen in homage
to the master and I encountered one of those guarantee stickers that Wall
Music puts on every CD that you buy from them.
It says: (in part)
...your Lifetime Music Guarantee Sticker assures you a free
replacement...
I don't think they understand how totally impossible that is.
--Carl
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From: John Chandler [Contrac
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: Re: Daniel Schor on NPR
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Posted: 07 Dec 1993 20:37:06 GMT
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In article <1993Dec7.162553.7165@sarah.albany.edu>
km9985@phoebe.albany.edu
(MADIGAN KEVIN M) writes:
Yestreday, on NPR's "All Things Considered" was a wonderful send off
to Frank. It started with "Wowie Zowie" and ended with "Peaches En
Regalia". In the middle was a beautiful essay by Daniel Schor. I have
the whole thing on tape, but unfortunately, I left it at home. If
there
is interest I will transcribe it later today or tommorrow.
Kevin
Dan Schorr said something intelligent? That wolf in liberal clothing?
Please, if it contains anything worthwhile!
-jmc
-The pencil is mightier than the pen.
-- Robert M. Pirsig
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From: Chris Walsh
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7 Dec 1993 20:48:24 GMT
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In article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu>,
JOE SIX-PACK <not-for-mail> wrote:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Golly. You must be pretty stupid, "JOE". All of us true Zappa fans know
that Frank learned how to MAKE.MONEY.FAST and is now running a detox
center
with RIVER PHOENIX. Just ask Kibo.
Chris
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Re: There will come a time....
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In article <2e2cq2$lqf@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>In <stellaCHn7Ir.M6q@netcom.com> stella@netcom.com (STella) writes:
>
>>And for me, the most wonderful thing that happened was that they
>>played a song that contained a line "there will come a time when you
>>won't even be ashamed that you are fat".
>
>>That made a lot of difference to me, as a pudgy college freshthing,
>>and it still resonates for me.
>
>How reassuring.
>
>And 14 years later, he recorded Jumbo Go Away.
>Then how did you feel?
Look, he gave me a gift I needed when I needed it. 14 years later, I
was used to thinking better of myself, and didn't give him power to
fuck with my head. No problem!
STella@netcom.com
1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA, 94087
In a crisis, we cut away
what we don't need any more,
in the good times, we find our way,
we find our way back home....
--World Entertainment War
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From: Dror-John Roecher
: roecher@orion.hrz.ba-freiberg.de
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: The best composer is dead
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I want all you fellow fans out there in the dark and evil world know that
I
moarn for Frank Zappa who died last saturday.
I want all you fellow fans out there
I
will miss my friend
I want all you fellow fans out there
I
will always listen to his songs
I want all you fellow fans out there
I
love the yellow shock
I want all you fellow fans out there
he is
my only idol
I want all you fellow fans out there
he
was to young to die
I want all you fellow fans out there
he
was the Mother's heart
I want all you fellow fans out there
he
WILL FOLLOW HIM NOW
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
in the dark and evil world know that
......was the best guitar player
I want all you fellow fans out there in the dark and evil world know that
I
will never forget him
I want all you fellow fans out there in the dark and evil world know that
my
only light is gone
I want all you fellow fans out there in the dark and evil world know that
I w
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From: Harv R Laser
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I only got to see Frank live twice. The first time wasn't even a concert:
he gave a talk to an enraptured group of students and others outside
a recital hall/theatre at Cal State Northridge, as we all sat on the
cold concrete ground and he stood on a table above us. After the talk,
about which I remember absolutely nothing, we filed into the hall
and Frank presented some video/film clips/snips from, what I think
was 200 Motels in progress.
The second time was at Pauley Pavillion at UCLA - a Mothers concert
which was later committed to vinyl as the "Just Another Band from
L.A." album (with Flo & Eddie in the band at that time). I still
fondly remember that concert although it must've been over 20 years
ago, especially Frank lying on his back on stage playing his guitar
with his teeth.
"Sheik Yerbouti" is still amongst my "desert island" disks, those rare
few albums that I would take with me to an island if my choice was
limited to just a few.
Frank Zappa was truly a genius, not only as a musician and composer but
as a public speaker. He didn't take shit from anyone and he didn't
dish any out himself.
We have lost a consummately talented man who spoke the truth and left
this world a better place than he found it.
I feel a deep personal sadness and I grieve for his loving family.
Harv
harv@cup.portal.com
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From: Paul Curtis
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: News coverage of Frank's death
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: Open Communications Forum
The following article recently appeared on the Reuter news service:
* * * * *
Havel laments Zappa's demise
PRAGUE (Reuter) - Czech President Vaclav Havel, an ardent fan of
American rock musician Frank Zappa, expressed sorrow over his death and
hailed him as "a friend of our newly-born democracy."
Zappa, one of the first star musicians to visit Czechoslovakia after
the 1989 collapse of Communism, presented Havel with a collection of all
his records.
"Tonight I'll find some time to listen to one of them," Havel said
of
the often-raunchy rock and roll legend.
"Although he never became an ambassador for Czechoslovakia, he was a
friend of our country," Havel said.
* * * * *
Why, oh why, do they always have to describe him as "raunchy"? He is so
notorious for scatalogical lyrics, even though they represent only a
small
portion of his oveure. I wish these jokers would actually listen to some
of his music, instead of jumping to knee-jerk conclusions based upon an
inaccurate public image.
Incidentally, the dimwit anchor on CNN Headline News--one of the
bubbleheads they put on at two in the morning--announced Frank's death by
reading copy which was pretty much lifted wholesale from the Associated
Press article (presumably done with permission, tho' CNN does have a
reputation for sometimes stealing video clips from other networks). The
cute thing was, when it came time for Mr. Bubblehead to proclaim some of
Zappa's lyrics as being concerned with, in the words of the AP article,
"American sexual mores," he misread "mores" as "morals," making it sound
as if FZ was opposed to morality. When the story came around during the
next two half-hour segments, the anchor-dude misread it again, in the
same
way. Stupid putz. (Sorry, I'm in a bad mood. You can probably guess
why.)
Actually, at about 1:40 AM PST on Sunday, they had a surprisingly well
done three or four minute segment on Frank's life and music, featuring
Honker video clips, interview segments, and mostly-accurate narration. I
expect it was done some time ago, in anticipation of Frank's death, and
pulled off the shelf to commemorate the event. Wish I'd had a tape in
the
VCR at the time...I was hoping they'd show it again in the next hour, so
that I could record it, but they didn't--they just announced his death
and
showed a clip of a FZ guitar solo with what looked like the '84 band.
A few hours later, after the stores had opened, I drove into town and
bought Tower's last copy of _The Yellow Shark_. A fitting epitath...but
there shoulda been more... (I do hope that they can salvage _Phase III_
for release, however.) I just about lost it when I heard "Welcome to the
United States"--that was hilarious! I especially loved the juxtaposition
of "Louie, Louie" with "terrorist activities." I suppose that makes
Portland, Oregon (home of the Kingsmen) a hotbed of international
terrorism... :-) In addition, I thought that "Outrage at Valdez" was
gorgeous--easily the best of his orchestral pieces that I've heard.
"Haunting" is probably the word I'm looking for.
Unfortunately, I can't come up with words to describe my feeling of
loss--our collective feeling of loss, I'm sure.
--Paul Curtis
(Once, when flying into Chicago from Brussels, they accidentally gave me
the notorious "Welcome to the United States" card to fill out...the
flight
attendant must have thought I was Canadian, or something...)
"If you decide to leave me, it's all over..."
(FZ, "Stuff up the Cracks")
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From: Paul Curtis
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: News coverage of Frank's death
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The following article recently appeared on the Reuter news service:
* * * * *
Havel laments Zappa's demise
PRAGUE (Reuter) - Czech President Vaclav Havel, an ardent fan of
American rock musician Frank Zappa, expressed sorrow over his death and
hailed him as "a friend of our newly-born democracy."
Zappa, one of the first star musicians to visit Czechoslovakia after
the 1989 collapse of Communism, presented Havel with a collection of all
his records.
"Tonight I'll find some time to listen to one of them," Havel said
of
the often-raunchy rock and roll legend.
"Although he never became an ambassador for Czechoslovakia, he was a
friend of our country," Havel said.
* * * * *
Why, oh why, do they always have to describe him as "raunchy"? He is so
notorious for scatalogical lyrics, even though they represent only a
small
portion of his oveure. I wish these jokers would actually listen to some
of his music, instead of jumping to knee-jerk conclusions based upon an
inaccurate public image.
Incidentally, the dimwit anchor on CNN Headline News--one of the
bubbleheads they put on at two in the morning--announced Frank's death by
reading copy which was pretty much lifted wholesale from the Associated
Press article (presumably done with permission, tho' CNN does have a
reputation for sometimes stealing video clips from other networks). The
cute thing was, when it came time for Mr. Bubblehead to proclaim some of
Zappa's lyrics as being concerned with, in the words of the AP article,
"American sexual mores," he misread "mores" as "morals," making it sound
as if FZ was opposed to morality. When the story came around during the
next two half-hour segments, the anchor-dude misread it again, in the
same
way. Stupid putz.
why.)
(Sorry, I'm in a bad mood.
You can probably guess
Actually, at about 1:40 AM PST on Sunday, they had a surprisingly well
done three or four minute segment on Frank's life and music, featuring
Honker video clips, interview segments, and mostly-accurate narration. I
expect it was done some time ago, in anticipation of Frank's death, and
pulled off the shelf to commemorate the event. Wish I'd had a tape in
the
VCR at the time...I was hoping they'd show it again in the next hour, so
that I could record it, but they didn't--they just announced his death
and
showed a clip of a FZ guitar solo with what looked like the '84 band.
A few hours later, after the stores had opened, I drove into town and
bought Tower's last copy of _The Yellow Shark_. A fitting epitath...but
there shoulda been more... (I do hope that they can salvage _Phase III_
for release, however.) I just about lost it when I heard "Welcome to the
United States"--that was hilarious! I especially loved the juxtaposition
of "Louie, Louie" with "terrorist activities." I suppose that makes
Portland, Oregon (home of the Kingsmen) a hotbed of international
terrorism... :-) In addition, I thought that "Outrage at Valdez" was
gorgeous--easily the best of his orchestral pieces that I've heard.
"Haunting" is probably the word I'm looking for.
Unfortunately, I can't come up with words to describe my feeling of
loss--our collective feeling of loss, I'm sure.
--Paul Curtis
(Once, when flying into Chicago from Brussels, they accidentally gave me
the notorious "Welcome to the United States" card to fill out...the
flight
attendant must have thought I was Canadian, or something...)
"If you decide to leave me, it's all over..."
(FZ, "Stuff up the Cracks")
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA JOE SIX-PACK IS A MORON!!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <2e4a0fINNlng@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
Posted: 8 Dec 93 10:24:15 GMT
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In article <2e0skv$894@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com>,
Craig Shipley <craigs@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> wrote:
| Hey, Ms. Hackborn, still got yer version of "Lonesome Cowboy Burt"
| available? Wanna repost it for ol' Joe Six-Pack (aka "18 Shy Of A
Case")?
How could I resist such an offer?
Okay, the Official Alt.Fan.Frank-Zappa Bait Reply, version 2.
Dedicated to Frank Zappa, I hope he would have approved.
----Lonesome Joe Six Pack.
My name is Six Pack
I am an Asshole
All my friends,
They call me `Joe'
I'm from the Usenet,
I am a Swell Guy
But I fucked up
And spewed out some bull.
Came out here to alt.fan.fz
Just to fine me
Some Zappa fans
The ones I seen
Gets me so horny
Posts 'bout sex
'N funny things.
Wanna flame 'em all!
In the name of Usenet!
For a reply to me I'll even squat!
I'll post some bait!
They'll flame me right back!
I know they like me;
Here's what I say:
"I'm lonesome Joe Six-Pack!
Don'tcha love all my stupid crap!
I'll come on in this place,
'N you can flame all my bait,
'N it'll just be so great Where's my rn?"
I am an awful nice guy!
I sit all day in the lab!
I'm a poster by trade
Quite a bundle I've said
I'm a basterdized postin' old
Beer-bellied-geek!
When I get bored, I start postin'
I wank till I'm ready to cum,
Then I find me some newsgroup with rn,
'N spew all over till I get it
In the bum!
I fuss, an' I cuss an' I keep on postin'
Till my eyes puff up, yes I'm het!
I drool on m'hands,
I watch all the flames,
Then I spew some more on the net, yes!
Spew some more on the net, now!
Spew some more on the net, boys!
SPEW SOME MORE ON THE NET!
I'M LONESOME JOE SIX-PACK,
Don'tcha love all my stupid crap!
I'll come on in this place,
'N you can flame all my bait,
'N it'll just be so great Where's my rn?
ZAPPA, YOU FUCKIN RAT BASTARD!
--------------------------------------------------------------Dianne Kyra Hackborn
"Stupidity has a certain charm -hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu
ignorance does not."
BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne
Oregon State University
-- Frank Zappa
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: Re: FRANK ZAPPA and beer
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Posted: 8 Dec 1993 10:49:46 -050
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"White port & lemon juice,
Oooh, what it'll do to you..."
Matt B^)
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... He begins to
feel depressed now. He knows the
end is near. He has realized at last
that imaginary guitar notes and
imaginary vocals exist only in the
mind of The Imaginer ... and ...
ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway
... who gives a fuck anyway? So he
goes back to his ugly little room and
quietly dreams his last imaginary
guitar solo ...
"Watermelon in Easter Hay"
_Joe's Garage, Act III_
Frank Zappa, 1979.
----------------------Composer Frank Zappa left for his final tour
just before 6 p.m. on Saturday, December 4, 1993.
Jeff Rocca
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Edgard Varese, July 1921
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From: Eric Pepke
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: Tribute
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Posted: 8 Dec 1993 17:12:36 GMT
Org.
: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them
I can't find the message from the person who suggested that we all play
"Watermelon in Easter Hay" from _Joe's Garage_ at 18:00 GMT on December
21,
Frank's birthday. (If you're out there, please come forward; I don't
want
to be assigned credit for someone else's idea. Also, if I've got the
date
wrong, let me know.)
In any event, I heartily agree. 18:00 GMT seems to be a reasonable
comprimise considering Zappa's American and European appeal. It's 1:00
PM
for me, so that's not so bad. Maybe I'll feel differently next year, but
right now that song seems appropriate. If anybody did Kubler-Ross as a
musical, "Watermelon in Easter Hay" would be "acceptance."
Whether or not anybody else does it, I plan on doing this. However, I
kind
of like the idea of knowing that a lot of people around the world are
making the same sounds at the same time. Remember Frank's description of
music as a three-dimensional sculpture made of compression patterns in
air?
Let's all make a sound sculpture in memory of Zappa that covers the
globe
for a few minutes.
Eric Pepke
pepke@scri.fsu.edu
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
Florida State University
Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052
INTERNET:
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Disclaimer: My employers seldom even LISTEN to my opinions.
Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
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From: KOHL TIMOTHY
: tk6411@cynthia.albany.edu
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: Re: Frank Zappa 1940-1993 - Oh No! I don't believe it
Msg-ID: <1993Dec8.160730.21787@sarah.albany.edu>
Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 93 16:07:30 G
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Talk about the day the music died.
RIP Frank!
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'Truth is often bitter left unsaid'
Rush 'Red Lenses'
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From: Dianne Hackborn
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: In memory.
Msg-ID: <2e4egfINNr01@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
Posted: 8 Dec 93 11:41:03 GMT
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Frank,
I think I am saddest that I never got a chance to thank you for
everything
you did, and now I never will. Though I'll only ever know you through
the
things you have left behind, still, you were so vital and full of life
that
you seem more alive than most of the people I meet face-to-face.
You were the closest thing I will ever have to a hero; one of the people
who
has had the greatest impact on my life, and will continue to impact it
until
I ultimately follow you. I saw in you someone who I can only hope to
live
up to -- someone who was continually honest with himself and those around
him, a person who stood up for what he thought was right, spoke out
against
what he thought was wrong, and never let his integrity be lost to the
needs
of the moment.
You taught me how limiting labels are, whether they are applied to music,
the world around us or, especially, ourselves. Those parts of your life
which you shared with me: your love of the world around us, of the *real*
world around us; your respect and celebration of life everywhere; your
beautiful view of our human potential; and, of course, your wonderful
sense
of humor. These I will carry inside myself through all time, riding with
celebration in times of good, and sheltering from pain in times of bad.
And, of course, your music will continue to play.
Thank you, and all my love.
Throughout my life.
------------------------------------------------------Dianne Kyra Hackborn
"The real question is:
hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu
Is it possible to laugh
BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne
while fucking?"
Oregon State University
-- Frank Zappa
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: annoyed
Msg-ID: <1993Dec08.150748.905918@sue.cc.uregina.ca>
Posted: Wed, 08 Dec 1993 15:07:4
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: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
In every newspaper I read, and every TV news show I see, when they talk
about
Frank, they almost always sum him up as "a weird guy with weird music for
weird people". This is extremely annoying. Almost never do they suggest
that
he was an intelligent man who stood for what he believed in, instead
dimissing
the man as a radical. For people like you and I, who know that Frank was
much more than all that, this is insulting. Damn bureaucrats.
Let me also say that up until I read this newsgroup, I hadn't really
accepted
Frank's death as real. I knew what had happened, and read about it,
etc., but
it just never really hit me until I sat down at this terminal, reading
all
these posts from people expressing their emotions. And now, damnit, I'm
depressed. I'm going to be depressed for a while.
Frank, we miss you.
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: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!
Msg-ID: <19931208122313.TDELAAF@pc0501.kub.nl>
Posted: Wed, 08 Dec 93 11:23:00
Org. : Tilburg University / The Netherlands
In Article <1993Dec3.Ka2cc4.xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu> "joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu
(JOE
SIX-PACK)" says:
> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
>
>
>
>
The BOBBY BROWN (from the
person
behind this Joe Six-Pack
To
DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Yarbouti-album)- character shows the real
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From: Michael Meynhard van S
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: Frank is dead
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 11:06:51
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I have heard about the death of Frank Zappa monday. But I
was not in the mood for saying something on newsnet.
Saturday
sad news
The last
It's sad
I heard a friend of me died. And then I saw the
about FZ on TV.
days I listen to 'Watermelon in EasterHay' a lot.
times.
Mike
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From: David Fuller
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: Re: Frank Zappa Remembered
Msg-ID: <1993Dec8.182825.18325@sequent.com>
Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 93 18:28:25 G
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The burnt guitar was given (by FZ) to Adrian Belew, who dubbed
it "baby" and played it thru the early 80s. Then it found its way
back to Dweezil.
-Dave Fuller
Sequent Computer Systems
dafuller@sequent.com
All opinions expressed are my own and not
those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
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From: Sean P. Ryan
: fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu
: Usenet.alt.fan.frank-zappa
: 126 words 834 bytes
: Here's a thought...
Msg-ID: <1993Dec8.173452.10197@raven.alaska.edu>
Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 17:34:52
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I remember that 3 years ago, the readership of rec.music.gdead
created a net.sympathy-card for the family of Brent Mydland.
Would anyone be interested in doing the same for Frank's family?
I'm working a mimimum of 50 hours a week right now, with numerous
other responsibilities, so please don't ask me to coordinate it.
I'm just putting the idea out, and if anyone else would like to
pick up the ball and roll with it, I feel it would be an excellent
gesture on our part.
-(quickie .signature follows - 4 lines, even!)
Sean P. Ryan, fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu, sean@fred.com
P.O. Box 202964, Anchorage, AK 99520-2964
"I love you, you love me, Armenian genocide fnord Turkey."
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From: David Watson
: aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
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: Re: So long Frank
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 17:46:53
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In a previous article, km9985@phoebe.albany.edu (MADIGAN KEVIN M) says:
>In article <16C9CA22A.JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> JCHICK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (John
Chick) writes:
>>Thank you so much for your music and genius.
>>With one such as you, it is not appropriate to
>>say goodbye, because I will still be forever
>>getting to know you through the music you have
>>left us. Still, I am sad that you will no
>>longer be with us to show the folly of our ways.
>>Miles Davis (last year)
>>Albert Collins (last week)
>>Frank Zappa (last saturday)
>>The mighty have fallen and can't get up.
>>I thought you might like that one.
>>R.I.P.
>Don't forget Albert King (this spring), a true giant of American Music.
It
>has been a sad year, in this respect.
>Kevin
And lest we not forget Sun Ra. Rest on Saturn, Sonny.
-Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Save the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Ottawa (Corruption Capital of Canada) Email--aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie
"The media is the mess."--Marshall McLu (via Abbie Hoffman)
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Subject: Re: WZLX [and Howard Stern]: Truly insulting "tribute"
In article <CHp71w.CLB@world.std.com>, delay@world.std.com (bob mckeegan)
writes:
|> Boston's "Classic Rock" station, WZLX, really disappointed me. Monday
|> they'd been announcing a tribute to FZ at 11PM. I had my tape deck
ready.
|> They played about 4-5 songs, HALF AN HOUR they devoted to Frank's
|> memory!!! Granted, they DID play 'Dinah-Moe Humm,' NEVER thought I'd
hear
|> that one on commercial radio, but when it ended, I was in a state of
|> shock!!! I'm not a hard-core FZ fan, I have a few of his albums, I
saw
|> him once (the '88 tour I believe). But even **I** would have trouble
|> coming up with a Zappa tribute less than an hour or two!!! They
didn't
|> play Joe's Garage, they didn't play Flakes, they didn't play Titties
And
|> Beer, they didn't play *ANY* of the jazz numbers! If it wasn't the
ONLY
|> commercial station where I hear some of the OTHER classic bands, I'd
|> definitely boycott it! And without question, on Frank's birthday I
will
|> NOT tune in to WZLX!!! Their half-hour "tribute" was an
**INSULT**!!!!!
|>
|>
-Bob, who doesn't normally even subscribe to this group,
|>
let alone post...
|>
|>
If you think WZLX's was an insulting tribute, you should of heard
Howard Stern on Monday. The most amazing thing about it was that Stern
actually talked about someone other than himself (without exactly putting
them down) for almost five minutes! To listen to him, Stern was a little
ray of sunshine in Frank's last few painful years. As I recall, Stern's
interviews with Frank were among the most inane that listeners have been
subjected to. Stern claimed that he was able to make Frank laugh. Too
bad Stern is too thick and self-obsessed to tell the difference between
being laughed with and being laughed at.
It's a modern American tragedy that the same First Amendment which
(supposedly) protected Frank's freedom to express his artistic talent
also protects the villiany of Pat Robertson, the hypocrisy of Rush Limbaugh and the childish excrement of Howard Stern. Stern will never know
how much he owes to Frank's standing up to Tipper Gore, and even if he
did, he would never acknowledge it.
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Subject: Re: WZLX: Truly insulting "tribute"
In article <CHp71w.CLB@world.std.com>, delay@world.std.com (bob mckeegan)
writes:
|> Boston's "Classic Rock" station, WZLX, really disappointed me. Monday
|> they'd been announcing a tribute to FZ at 11PM. I had my tape deck
ready.
|> They played about 4-5 songs, HALF AN HOUR they devoted to Frank's
|> memory!!! Granted, they DID play 'Dinah-Moe Humm,' NEVER thought I'd
hear
|> that one on commercial radio, but when it ended, I was in a state of
|> shock!!! I'm not a hard-core FZ fan, I have a few of his albums, I
saw
|> him once (the '88 tour I believe). But even **I** would have trouble
|> coming up with a Zappa tribute less than an hour or two!!! They
didn't
|> play Joe's Garage, they didn't play Flakes, they didn't play Titties
And
|> Beer, they didn't play *ANY* of the jazz numbers! If it wasn't the
ONLY
|> commercial station where I hear some of the OTHER classic bands, I'd
|> definitely boycott it! And without question, on Frank's birthday I
will
|> NOT tune in to WZLX!!! Their half-hour "tribute" was an
**INSULT**!!!!!
|>
|>
-Bob, who doesn't normally even subscribe to this group,
|>
let alone post...
|>
|>
If you think WZLX's was an insulting tribute, you should of heard
Howard Stern on Monday. The most amazing thing about it was that Stern
actually talked about someone other than himself (without exactly putting
them down) for almost five minutes! To listen to him, Stern was a little
ray of sunshine in Frank's last few painful years. As I recall, Stern's
interviews with Frank were among the most inane that listeners have been
subjected to. Stern claimed that he was able to make Frank laugh. Too
bad Stern is too thick and self-obsessed to tell the difference between
being laughed with and being laughed at.
It's a modern American tragedy that the same First Amendment which
(supposedly) protected Frank's freedom to express his artistic talent
also protects the villiany of Pat Robertson, the hypocrisy of Rush Limbaugh and the childish excrement of Howard Stern. Stern will never know
how much he owes to Frank's standing up to Tipper Gore, and even if he
did, he would never acknowledge it.
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From: Erik Paine Brady
: epb3r@Virginia.EDU
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: song for Frank
Msg-ID: <1993Dec8.190308.583@Virginia.EDU>
Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 19:03:08
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: University of Virginia
I posted this and another message on Monday when I heard the
news, but it didn't seem to get here. I feel this song is
quite appropriate, and I put off the test I needed to study for
to transcribe the lyrics (it's unreleased, and I think some
people will appreciate it). The song was first done in
1980/1981 band rehearsal, but I know nothing more about that
(or its origins). During a rehearsal for Zappa's Universe, on
Nov. 7, 1991, Steve Vai sang the song. This was the day that
Frank released information about his prostate cancer. I have
listened to the song several times, and am pretty confident the
lyrics are accurate. It's pretty depressing.....
Solitude
You...have have brought me solitude
and I believe it is the time
for me to show some gratitude.
I'd like to take a minute
to express to you my gratitude,
but most of all I love the way
that you have brought me solitude.
You....have been a friend to me
And I believe it is the time
for me to show some sympathy.
I've watched the way you
suffered with the problems of reality
but most of all I love the way
that you have been a friend to me.
You...have been misunderstood
And I believe it is the time
for you to feel the way you should.
I'd love to see you smile
I hope that you will live the days
but most of all I do regret
the ways that you have been misunderstood.
my comments:
Obviously not everything is applicable since Frank isn't
still around, but the whole gist of the song is quite
appropriate, in my opinion. The only version from 1980/81 that
I've heard only has the first stanza, then:
I think I'll take a minute
to reflect upon your attitude
but most of all I love the way
that you have brought me solitude.
I put spaces in between the verses where there is a pause in
the song. The song certainly is something *I* can relate to,
seeing Frank as a friend (though I've never met him) and getting
so much out of his music....bringing me my own solitude. ugh.
Basically it's really slow, with only a guitar and
vocals (at least in Vai's version). You're welcome to cross
post this anywhere else you want. I'd like to hear any other
opinions about the song.
Erik, still a bit depressed
epb3r@virginia.edu
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In a previous article, esutton@bnr.ca (Ed Sutton) says:
>Last one. A friend of mine was teaching at Corvallis High School, and
>one of his students baby-sat for the Zappa's. She told my friend that
>'Dweezil' was the name Frank gave Gail's big toe. Is that a new UL?
>Has anyone ever heard that before?
Yes. It's in _The Real Frank Zappa Book_.
-Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Save the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Ottawa (Corruption Capital of Canada) Email--aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca
"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie
"Music is THE BEST."--Frank Vincent Zappa, 1940-1993 (no commercial
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Eric Pepke (pepke@scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
: Does anybody know where I can get the sheet music to the _Uncle Meat_
: theme? I'm trying to work it out on the guitar, and this would sure
make
: it easier.
The music to the main theme is included in the booklet of the album (or,
at
least, some incarnations of it), as is "King Kong". I don't know about
the
whole arrangement of it.
Todd
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: A Small Memorial
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It is sad indeed that we have lost a musical genius, but we can take some
solace in the body of work he left behind. It is sad, too, that we have
lost a fine mind and a man who was sufficiently committed to a set of
principles to stand up and defend them articulately and very publicly.
This will be very hard to replace.
As a tribute to Frank, it might be a good idea to do one or more of the
following things:
(1) Register to vote (and do so!).
(2) Write to government officials (like Bill Clinton and Janet
Reno) and tell them what you think of state-sponsored
censorship (``voluntary'' or otherwise).
(3) Make a donation (in Frank's name perhaps) to the ACLU (or
some
other organization interested in defending first amendment
rights and other civil liberties).
Frank Zappa's work has been a very important part of my growing up and I
remember feeling very proud when he stood up to censors like Tipper Gore.
-Department of Linguistics
| Office: (215) 898-2943
University of Pennsylvania | Fax:
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I am never going to hock my imaginary guitar...
We love you Frank, and will miss you!
I guess I'm an asshole...
Monte
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: Re: Tribute
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 15:58:56
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In article <pepke-081293115858@pepkemac.scri.fsu.edu> pepke@scri.fsu.edu
(Eric
Pepke) writes:
>From: pepke@scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
>Subject: Tribute
>Date: 8 Dec 1993 17:12:36 GMT
>I can't find the message from the person who suggested that we all play
>"Watermelon in Easter Hay" from _Joe's Garage_ at 18:00 GMT on December
21,
>Frank's birthday. (If you're out there, please come forward; I don't
want
>to be assigned credit for someone else's idea. Also, if I've got the
date
>wrong, let me know.)
>In any event, I heartily agree. 18:00 GMT seems to be a reasonable
>comprimise considering Zappa's American and European appeal. It's 1:00
PM
>for me, so that's not so bad. Maybe I'll feel differently next year,
but
>right now that song seems appropriate. If anybody did Kubler-Ross as a
>musical, "Watermelon in Easter Hay" would be "acceptance."
Sounds like a fitting tribute, although for those of us without the
concept of a global community, please someone tell me when 18:00 GMT is
in the
US EST zone? (Gosh, I feel stupid.)
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~~ "Now imagine a Moebius vortex inside a spherical constant, and you've
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Bob Belas, Assistant Professor, Sensory Transduction
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Center of Marine Biotechnology, University of Maryland
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Biotechnology Institute, 600 East Lombard Street
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Baltimore (my fair city) MD 21202
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(410) 783-4825
Belas@mbimail.umd.edu
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belas@mbimail.umd.edu (Bob Belas) writes:
>Hi All,
>
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest. I
>was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
>to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
>thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
>that one day.
Let it be like that
jesper traff, copenhagen
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: The present day composer...
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...refuses to die. and as such, your music and words will live on.
you influenced me deeply.
Good night, Frank Zappa, whereever you are!
jesper larsson traff
local expert, DIKU, copenhagen, denmark
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: Re: So long Frank
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In article <CHq9E5.ACB@freenet.carleton.ca>,
David Watson <aj153@Freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>
>And lest we not forget Sun Ra. Rest on Saturn, Sonny.
Well at least we know what Sun Ra is up to..
He's in some far place
many light years in space..
and he's waiting for you.
He came from nowhere, here.
Why can't he be somewhere there?
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Frank used to "put the eyebrows " on everything he did from wild guitar
solo's
to complex polyrhythm to absurd humour.Saying that i'll miss him is not
even
close to being an understatement.Bye Frank,see you one day by that purple
lagoon in the sky .say hi to Igor & Jimi
The conceptual continuity refuses to end........
Daniel Sanders/Tel aviv.Israel.My address ,for any other toads of the
short
forest:sanders@ccsg.tau.ac.il
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In article <2e5cbg$mi5@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Robin Clark <rclark@alamo.ling.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
>As a tribute to Frank, it might be a good idea to do one or more of the
>following things:
>
<stuff deleted>
I called and finally got thru to 818-PUMPKIN (the Barfko-Swill hotline).
The
message tape was recorded by Moon-Unit and asked that those who wish to
make
a memorial in Frank's name call the Society for Intellectual Thought (or
something like that) at 312-280-4223 and make a donation in his name. Or,
if
you prefer, make a donation to Greenpeace or any other favorite
environmental
group. Gail will be announcing a public memorial event in the future.
Moon
also asked that if you are a musician, keep playing her father's music.
If not,
then keep listening to it. Gail asks that we all respect each other, our
families, and above all, ourselves.
Vince
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: a fitting eulogy-maybe, maybe not
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A day of silence? I have only been introduced to his zappaness recently,
but would he approve of such a cliche measure? Perhaps instead we should
flood the newsgroup with as much business and noise and paradoxes and
humor
as possible and trust, like frank, that it will all assimilate into
beautiful music. Perhaps i am wrong.
-Statements made by me do not reflect
the opinions of anyone other than myself or Edward Abbey.
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: Honoring FZ
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Date:
6-DEC-1993 07:50
From: belas@mbimail.umd.edu (Bob Belas)
Description: An idea for a suitable tribute to Frank
Hi All,
Well, I've heard the news and I am as shocked and saddened as the
rest. I
was wondering if we of the Net might not think of something to do as a
group
to commemorate Frank's passing. Here's one idea: a moment of silence.
My
thought was that on Frank's birthday we'd mourn his pass by not posting
for
that one day. Very simple and yet it makes a nice sentiment. Any other
ideas?
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On Monday night, I was fortunate enough to catch the Grandmothers
perform at the Parker's club in Amsterdam. Because of the timing,
about 80% of the material they played were Frank's compositions and
I was struck with emotion when they palyed "Peaches en Regalia",
one of my favorite FZ tunes. Also, it was quite easy to tell who
were the real FZ fans and who were there because his death was
reported in the Dutch news media. Overall, the band was good and the
audience was excellent - quite a few people were taping the show.
Before the band began to play, J.C. Black mentioned that the last
thing Frank wanted us to do was to honor him with a minute of
silence. So we honored him with a minute of
total chaos where the band and the audience went crazy for about a
minute. They ended the show with "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Groeten
F.Z. R.I.P.
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 15:57:56
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jrice@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
}jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
}>joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK) writes:
}>> THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
}>> PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
}>> WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
}>> IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
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}>>
}>>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
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Why the hell are we getting responses to this pointless post on
}alt.music.enya??? Does anyone on this group remotely care whether he is
dead
}or alive, and what anyone thinks of it? I personally think that the
original
}was post was stupid, but it is really annoying to have to wade through a
load
}of posts that have no bearing whatsoever on the topic of this group.
Can't
}this be taken to a newsgroup where it is relevent, like alt.fan.frankzappa,
}or whatever?
Figure it out, folks...take a look at the Newsgroups line!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa,rec.music.dementia,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
misc.test,alt.test,us.test,
alt.religion.kibology,alt.newbie,alt.drugs,rec.music.misc,
rec.music.industrial,alt.music.progressive,alt.flame,
alt.music.enya,alt.music.hardcore
Notice the misc.test, alt.test, us.test newsgroups hidden away in the
middle
of all those other newsgroups.
YOU'VE BEEN BAITED! Pretty standard ploy, posting obvious flame-bait
with
lots of groups in the Newsgroup header, with a Followup-To field
identical,
with the addition of the test groups. Posters who followup end up
getting
mail from many sites who automatically reply to posts to a test
newsgroup.
Jeeze, when are people going to learn to CHECK THE NEWSGROUP/FOLLOWUP-TO
FIELDS
before you post!
Lance
-Lance T. Franklin
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: FZ-Videos in Germany (VHS)??
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Hi guys out there,
Dezember, 21 will be a memorial-party for me and my friends.
For that, I would like to have some Zappa-Videos. Who can tell me,
which are available in Germany (VHS) and WHERE?
Especially BABY SNAKES is of a great interest for us. If someone
knows where I can get that (and others, maybe in Berlin?), please
write me an e-mail or post it here.
O.K., byebye
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>>> On Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:23:45 GMT, mburton@netcom.com (Mark Burton)
said:
MB> I've been reading the posts since Monday morning. This was the best
way I
MB> can think of to hear the news -- among fellow friends of Frank's.
...........
blah blah blah sentimental crap sent to kill ring
........
I really don't think frank would be very proud of you. What is all
this pansy ass god bullshit you are trying to pass off on us?
Havn't you learned anything?
You're an asshole.
MB> That's not all...
MB> I receive tons of mail in my job from other musicians. Monday morning
I
MB> opened a letter to find a manuscript of a song entitled "I'm Free"
(words
MB> copyright 1992 by Helen Mae Kress):
MB>
MB>
MB>
MB>
"Don't grieve for me, for now I'm free.
I'm following the path God laid for me.
I took His hand when I heard him call.
I turned my back and left it all.
MB>
MB>
MB>
MB>
I could not stay another day --things left undone must stay that way.
Be not burdened with times of sorrow.
I wish you the sunshine of tomorrow.
MB>
MB>
MB>
MB>
My life's been full, I've savored much -good times, good friends, a loved one's touch.
Lift up your hearts and share with me,
God wanted me now, he has set me free."
MB> -Mark
MB> -Free as the wind.
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--Theo lengyel
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: FZ therapy (Don White)
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(NB: This is being posted for a correspondent I've never met who doesn't
have the ability to post to this newsgroup. It's amazing the connections
we make in times like these. You people are great. - Diane Reese)
The following is from Don White:
I've never posted before. In fact, I just discovered
this group on Monday, the 6th. Just in time for me to
discover just how many others out there were hurting like
me. I am going to send this letter to Gail, but I wanted
to post it here, too. Those of you who might complain
about my taking up too much space - piss off. We've got a
whole Net out there, and I need the therapy.
Dear Frank:
Well, here it is. The letter I never wrote you. I
actually started to write one back when "Make A Jazz Noise
Here" came out. I was gonna say something like how great
it was, how it was one of the best records you'd ever done
- up there with "Roxy", "One Size Fits All", "Hot Rats",
"Burnt Weeny Sandwich" and "Lumpy Gravy", and how I
regretted not being able to see you live with that band.
You were supposed to be in Houston on March 13, 1988, at
the Music Hall, but the tour collapsed and... y'know, this
is already starting to sound like a geek letter. But, who
gives a fuck, anyway?
I was about 7 or 8 when I started listening to your music,
courtesy of my brother (something I never thanked him for
-- Thank you, Dave. If I didn't have any other reason to
love you, introducing me to Frank's music would be reason
enough.) I remember what he said to me as I was laughing
at "We're Only In It For The Money" - "It makes you laugh,
but when you stop laughing, you realize what an incredible
guitar player this guy is." Soon after that, I heard
"Lumpy Gravy" and I had the same experience you had with
Varese's music: That feeling of "This is what I've always
thought music should sound like."
The first time I saw you live was July 5th, 1974, at the
Ambassador Theater in St. Louis (As is turns out, this was
also the first time Ike Willis saw you perform - a fact I
learned from an interview with Ike in Society Pages.) I
was 12, and my father insisted on going with me since it
was in downtown St. Louis. He put on a suit and tie to go
to the show, and I even convinced him to sneak in a tape
recorder for me. It was one of those boxy, portable GE
mid-70s jobs with a "condenser mic" the size of a pencil
eraser, and I taped the show on some really cheezy Certron
C-90s. The result was pure audio hell - worse than any
bootleg you've ever heard - but it was my first. My father
sat like a rock for the whole show, while I got off beyond
my wildest expectations. When it was over, and we were
riding home, I asked him what he thought. He replied,
"That was the weirdest goddamn thing I've ever seen in my
life!" I was ecstatic.
I bought every record you released. I searched for
interviews in all the music rags. I saw you live six more
times, including an astonishing show on October 17, 1981,
at The Summit in Houston. You had a horrible stomach
virus, but you went on anyway. It was probably the best
soloing I'd ever seen you do. And even though you
disapproved, I bought every fucking bootleg I could find,
because I had to hear everything you did and absorb as much
as I could.
The day you were buried, I had this feeling I should read
all the listings in the TV Guide for the week. It's a
feeling that's served me well over the years - there were
many times I'd had that feeling and it had paid off in
finding one of your TV appearances. Finding nothing, I
went to bed, and was awakened by my wife at 5 AM the next
morning with the news.
I called my brother and told him. I got calls from lots
of my friends. My co-workers were sympathetic. And when I
told my four-year-old son why I was sad and didn't feel
like reading to him that night, we had this conversation:
Miles: "Did you know him?"
Me: "No, I never met him, but I listened to his music for
most of my life, and his music meant a lot to me."
Miles: "Did he know your name?"
Me: "No, he didn't know who I was."
Miles: "Well, you'll feel better if you listen to some of
his music."
And with that he led me to the stereo, and we played disc
two of "Make A Jazz Noise Here." We fell asleep together
on the couch that night (Thank you, Miles, for stating the
obvious and keeping things in perspective.)
I guess I was too stunned to cry on Monday, but I broke on
my way to work Tuesday. I was listening to "Pound For A
Brown", "Exercise #4" and "Get Whitey." At least you got
to hear your music done by an orchestra that gave a fuck.
I didn't think "The Yellow Shark" would be the last record
you'd live to see, but I can't think of a better way for it
to have happened. It is, by far, the finest release you've
done (although I'm waiting for the day when I can hear the
six-track mix of "N-Lite" before I make a final decision.)
Well I guess that's about it. Farewell, Frank. I know
there'll be posthumous releases for me to fetish and
rumple, but it just won't be the same. Give my regards to
your family, and thank you. You influenced my views on
many levels -- musical, social, political - even molecular
harmonics as they relate to The Universe and The Big Note.
No one else ever managed to simultaneously kick my ass as I
was laughing it off. I consider it to be my good fortune
that I lived during your career; my life is richer as a
result.
With Undying
Gratitude,
Don White.
WHITE_D@HCCS.CC.TX.US
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Hi,
CMS> From: CSTONE@kentvm.kent.edu (Carl M Stone)
CMS> Joe Six-Pack the All-American? The one that represents the the true
CMS> spirit of the USA? The one that can't build a car worth buying
anymore?
CMS> The one that, like most of his friends, is illiterate?
CMS> And I was wondering
CMS> what happened to him...
It's the Nu-perfect All-American Joe Sixpack, who drank his beer
and went marching.
In this universe, they are more plentiful than hydrogen,
I've been told ;-)
"Here it is. I wrote this for you. What do you mean, 'what the
hell is it?'..It's a goddamn _etude_, you asshole!"
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In Article <malcolm.755291982@wrs.com>
malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>mcsdc2gsf@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> What with the unfortunate and untimely death of Frank Zappa......what
will
>> happen to Zappa Records?
>
>> Will Gail take over now? Or will Dweezil be honoured with it.
Err ... Gail can't take over, she already runs run Barking Pumpkin (and
has
done for years).
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From: Barbara Abernathy
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: Re: SHIT!!!!!!! FRANK ZAPPA IS DEAD
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In article <2e5kbbINNdas@myall.awadi.com.au> martins@vsl.com.au writes:
>
>In article 755167598@urc.tue.nl, rcger@urc.tue.nl (Gerard Vos) writes:
>>
>>
>> this morning the news changed my life....the greatest
musician/composer
>> Frank Zappa died at the age of 52
>> I'll always remember 'dancin' fool' and his ugly moustage....
>>
>Amen, brother. And who will carry the torch now?
Mel Torme', Wayne Newton or even Barry Mannilow
>
> Suzy?
>
>martin
>
>
Suzy creamcheese?
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From: Richard Schiavi
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: just left the building
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I can't say anything really helps to get a grip that he is dead, but I
did listen to elvis has just left the building from Broadway a couple
times last night and couldn't help grinning. . . .too bad some real
intelligent producer doesn't do a commemorative Zappa collection (like
they seem to be doing for lame dead 60's rock icons), but I guess
they'd probably would have too hard a time finding bands talented enough
to cover his tunes. . . a side question: has any bands ever recorded
Zappa
covers on their albums???
May you be in heaven a 1/2 hour before the devil knows your dead, or
something
like that,
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pansy ass fucking shitheads
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What the fuck is the deal with all this emotional nostalgic
crap? Havn't any of you worthless pansy whimpering sissies learned
anything from the master? Don't you know that broken hearts are for
assholes? You all should be ashamed of your selves. I appreciate
franks music and insight as much, correction, more than the next guy
but you don't see me defiling his death by crying on my fucking
keyboard. If you want to mourn his death do something he would have
appreciated. Like kill your pansy ass self to spare the rest of us
from your whinmpering. Jeezus ker-fucking-ist you didn't even know the
guy, you act like he was your pet fetus or. He would have thought you
were a stupid groupie and probably would have had the roadies buttfuck
you while he shoved shit up your nose all the while you would be
saying "I love you frank".
True, he was a sub-god, but now he will rot just like the rest
of us. Just be sure you know that your worthless life was infinitely
improved by your being allowed to hear even one note of his shit. Now
go get a couple of quarts of beer, put on your jazz discharge party
hat, put a spindle up your butt, get your buns up kneeling, peel a
couple potato headed surprises, barbeque john's sausage and ram it up
your poop chute. That's what I call a picknick. There now, don't
you feel better.
---Theo lengyel
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: Re: Zappa vinyl rarities (was Re: instrumental choice)
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 93 21:44:43 G
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In article <CHMso1.LCq@agora.rain.com>,
pcurtis@agora.rain.com (Paul Curtis) writes:
[..]
> Y'know, I once had a promo copy of the "Lonely Little Girl" b/w "Mother
[..]
> was the only single ever to be taken from WOiIfTM, and as far as I
know,
> no stock copies were ever pressed--it was promo only. Despite being
> labelled simply as "Lonely Little Girl," the A-side actually contained
> that track *and* "Take Your Clothes off when You Dance." The last five
I think it was the only one from WOiIfTM. I don't know if it was
only, though it does seem likely. According to Volume 1, Number
the magazine "Strange Things are Happening" April-May 1989 (UK),
singles were:
promo
5 of
other
How Could I be Such a Fool/Help I'm a Rock (Verve 10418)
It Can't Happen Here/How Could I be Such a Fool (VS 545)
Trouble Comin Every Day/Who Are the Brain Police? (VK 10458)
Motherly Love/I Aint Got no Heart (DV 105)
Big Leg Emma/Why Don't You do Me Right? (VS 557)
Son of Suzy Creamcheese/Big Leg Emma (58516)
Mother People/Lonely Little Girl(extended version) (Verve 10570) [aha! cgk]
Jelly Roll Gum Drop/Deseri (Verve 10632)
Any Way the Wind Blows/Jelly Roll Gum Drop (also says Verve 10632 -hmm?)
Dog Breath/My Guitar (Bizarre 0840)
Little Umbrellas/Peaches en Regalia (Bizarre 0889)
WPLJ/MY Guitar (Bizarre 0892)
Tell Me You Love Me/Would You Go All the Way (Bizarre 0967)
Tears Began to Fall/Junior Mintz Boogie (Bizarre 1052)
!!!!!!!
Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus/Eat That Question (Bizarre 1127)
The article doesn't cover any non-Mothers stuff, so I don't
later singles, though probably stuff like Dancin Fool ...
know
about
> bars of the former song (from the words, "So you're lonely...") were
[..]
> tone clusters played on a piano). Finally, at the end of "Take Your
> Clothes off...," a two-bar instrumental riff (sounding like something
out
> of a 1967 hippie anthem, but probably written by Frank) was repeated,
and
> faded out over fifteen seconds or so. I've heard rumors that this
piece
> of music was included on MGM's _Worst of the Mothers_ compilation (one
of
> the three that was done without Frank's approval), but I haven't
confirmed
> this myself. Anyone?
LLG isn't on The Worst.. but TYCOWYD is. The whole album is remixed
with a tinnier sound, louder guitar and keyboards and wider seperation.
At the end of TYCOWYD where you're expecting the (original) 6 note bass
intro to What's the Ugliest.. there is about 1 second of Sci-Fi
Cheepnis ray-gun effect instead. I'll have to check the rest for
differences, but I don't have Freak Out anymore, so I can't check 5
of 11 songs.
out
> As for the different bridging segment between LLG and TYCoWYD, it might
> appear on the mono version of the WOiIfTM album (which was also
Haven't heard the mono either.
> As for the single...I sold it.
And I won't say how much I got for it,
URRRR!!, I sold a bunch of stuff when I was down and out a couple of
years ago.. the poster from 200 Motels, originals of Freak Out,
Absolutely, Lumpy (have Verve/Polydor reissue now), Hot Rats, and In
New York w/Punky. What a bonehead!!!!!!! (I had ASSUMED the CDs would
look-alike/sound-alike)
> (BTW, "Mother People" was identical to the album version--censored
second
> verse and all.)
Censored on The Worst.. as well.
> BTW, does anyone out there know if MGM ever sold any of the early
Mothers
> albums on prerecorded open-reel tape? I'd pay at least $100 for a copy
of
Jeezo-bucks! No idea.
--"The present day Pachuco refuses to die!" Ruben Sano, June 1955
C. Gordon Keeble (gordo)
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From: stuart
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: an amusing remembereance
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I'll add this to the stew, just for fun ('cause that's the way he liked
things).
I was hoping I'd hear this one on of the radio tributes, and I did (thank
you,
WMFO-FM at Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts).
Here are FZ's words, attached to one of his more memorable melodies,
written in
response to John Lennon & Yoko Ono's late 60's deliberately innocent
approach
to
the sorry state of world affairs then (...and now). (Get your hands on a
copy
of
"Weasels Ripped My Flesh" to hear this in all its grandeur, with Ray
Collins'
`swell vocals'.)
Zappa coyly titled this:
"Oh No"
Oh no I don't believe it
You say that you think you know the meaning of love
You say love is all we need
You say with your love you could change
All of the fools
All of the hate
I think you're probably out to lunch
Oh no I don't believe it
You say that you think you know the meaning of love
Do you really think it can be told
You say
I think
How can
Will be
that you really know
you should check it again
you say what you believe
the key to a world of love
All your love, will it save me
All your love, will it save the world
From we can't understand
Oh no I don't believe it
And in your dreams you can see yourself
As a prophet saving the world
The words from your lips
I just can't believe you are such
A fool.
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From: Theo Lengyel
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>>> On 7 Dec 1993 05:23:30 GMT, miles@clark.net (Miles Parker Mac
Consulting/4D
Developme) said:
MPMCD> Followup-To:
alt.fan.frank-zappa,rec.music.dementia,alt.fan.rushlimbaugh,misc.test,alt.test,
us.test,alt.religion.kibology,alt.newbie,alt.drugs,rec.music.misc,rec.mus
ic.indu
strial,alt.music.progressive,alt.flame,alt.music.enya,alt.music.hardcore
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MPMCD> Amazing that so many fans of FZ seem to have lost their sense of
irony MPMCD> it is a response to grief and egoism more profound than
MPMCD> platitudes. As fitting a tribute as any-(and no, I didn't post itso
for
MPMCD> gods sake don't waste your flame on me.)
MPMCD> : SIX-PACK) writes:
> : > THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD
ABUSIN
> : > PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I
PLACE
> : > WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE,
> : > IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE
DESERVED TO DIE.
HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG
AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER
NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
MPMCD> : Drug abusin? Who the fuck made you the Zappa expert. BTW why is
it
that
MPMCD> : alt.music.hardcore seems to attract all the critics?
MPMCD> : adolf heimlich
No, shit. The "hate you frank" post is the most appropriate one made.
Obviously most of the morons reading this group have no sense of
humor; joe six-pack is a truly admirable fellow. They think they have
a sense of humor but they dont.
By the way, who really gives a shit about anything?
---Theo lengyel
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From: Eric Pepke
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: Re: Tribute
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In article <belas.216.000FFBF1@mbimail.umd.edu>, belas@mbimail.umd.edu
(Bob
Belas) wrote:
>
Sounds like a fitting tribute, although for those of us without the
> concept of a global community, please someone tell me when 18:00 GMT is
in
the
> US EST zone? (Gosh, I feel stupid.)
I'm in the EST zone, so it's 1:00 PM for EST as it is for me. GMT is 5
hours away from EST. So, for those on the left coast it's 10:00 AM.
Eric Pepke
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From: Neil Brewitt
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In article <obrecht.755314538@imagen> obrecht@imagen.com (Doug Obrecht)
writes:
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> >Hell you're right. I hate this nasty rock and roll too, but my case is
> ^^^^
> >different. It's not because of what you say- it's because it's plain
> >anti-religious.
>
> Hmmmm,,, It's not against my religion. And how religious can you be by
your
> first statement. Tsk. Tsk.
> -> Douglas Obrecht
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just a
little too subtle.
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I'm not mournful.
For the past three days I've been listening to my CD Zappa
collection. It's strange but now that Frank is dead, his
music takes on a different quality for me. Frank never
stopped working, never stopped creating. Even in his last
days, I'm told by a friend who worked for him, he was
putting together quite a lot of stuff to be released
posthumously. A LOT MORE STUFF IS COMING! A brand new
record is coming in the spring! Now that he's gone it seems
his life's work has a sort of closure, like the frame is
complete around it and we can step back and admire it from a
different standpoint. There's a completeness to it even
though it continues to grow beyond Frank's death. I'm even
more appreciative of him now. I notice things now in his
music that I had glossed over before. Subtle touches, an
incredible variety of musical textures and styles. An
emotional smorgasbord in the feelings his music provokes in
the listener. Listening to Frank's music is like receiving
a vigorous mental Rolfing. Even moreso now more than ever,
it seems to be candy for the ears... and nourishing candy at
that.
Let's face it, it's not as if Frank was cut down before
he really had a chance to get going like a River Phoenix or
a Brandon Lee or a James Dean. Frank had an extraordinary
full and active life, did incredible things, was incredibly
prolific and left a wonderful legacy of work to be savored.
FRANK KICKED ASS WHILE HE WAS HERE! He would probably be
cynical about this but I imagine right now he's somewhere
probably just left of Barnard's star (or the dwarf nebula
:-)) composing planets and star systems and enjoying the
music of the spheres. Maybe our message, being beamed out
into space to the satellites, will reach him someday.
So, I don't mourn Frank's death but instead choose to
celebrate his life.
Frank lives on!
"Sometimes I feel there ain't no such thing as dyin'"
-Whipping Post
--Phineas
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In article
(James Lee
>How about
>I gone so
<1993Dec2.151030@unccsun.uncc.edu> jlrobins@unccsun.uncc.edu
Robinson) writes:
you? What do your spouses/significant others think? Have
far as to offend a female subscriber?
Like many who have posted before, Frank Zappa was my main test of
coolness
for prospective S.O.'s. (Auxiliary tests included Ernie Kovacs and The
Goon Show.)
When I got divorced, which was mostly a positive development, I thought
to
myself, "Where am I going to find another woman that likes Fillmore East,
June 1971?" Eventually I did, and it's been 8 years and counting,
although
she does prefer _Broadway the Hard Way_ and _Joe's Garage_.
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In article <pepke-081293115858@pepkemac.scri.fsu.edu> pepke@scri.fsu.edu
(Eric
Pepke) writes:
>I can't find the message from the person who suggested that we all play
>"Watermelon in Easter Hay" from _Joe's Garage_ at 18:00 GMT on December
21,
>Frank's birthday. (If you're out there, please come forward; I don't
want
>to be assigned credit for someone else's idea. Also, if I've got the
date
>wrong, let me know.)
>
>In any event, I heartily agree. 18:00 GMT seems to be a reasonable
>comprimise considering Zappa's American and European appeal. It's 1:00
PM
>for me, so that's not so bad. Maybe I'll feel differently next year,
but
>right now that song seems appropriate. If anybody did Kubler-Ross as a
>musical, "Watermelon in Easter Hay" would be "acceptance."
>
>Whether or not anybody else does it, I plan on doing this. However, I
kind
>of like the idea of knowing that a lot of people around the world are
>making the same sounds at the same time. Remember Frank's description
of
>music as a three-dimensional sculpture made of compression patterns in
air?
> Let's all make a sound sculpture in memory of Zappa that covers the
globe
>for a few minutes.
>
>Eric Pepke
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You've got the day and time correct. Count me in.
---------------------------------------Bjorn Sjolli sjolli@plains.NoDak.edu
- Watch out where the huskies go, and
don't you eat that yellow snow. FZ
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From: Michael Zeleny
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: The Panty Line Forms to the Right
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I used to see Frank Zappa every year, from the late Seventies until the
mid-Eighties. His band usually came to Chicago around Halloween. They
took advantage of the date by putting on a spooky show. One time, Frank
asked all women in the audience to take off their underpants and pass
them
to the band, for strictly artistic purposes, to be sure. The next year
we
were treated to the imposing sight of the ensuing quilt. The panty rap
made it on the studio record. The quilt is bound to make it to the
Smithsonian.
To commemorate Frank Zappa, I hereby forswear the use of underpants.
So long and godspeed, Frankie.
Cordially, - Mikhail | Why is it that all those who have become eminent
Zeleny@math.ucla.edu | in philosophy or politics or poetry or art
UCLA Philosophy Dept | are clearly of
an atrabilious temperament?
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Posted: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 16:56:39
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In article xv9@gossa.cs.mjc.edu, joe@gossa.cs.mjc.edu (JOE SIX-PACK)
writes:
>THAT FUCKIN RAT BASTARD DESERVED TO DIE. HE WAS A FUCKIN DRUG ABUSIN
>PERVERT AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE
>WITHOUT HIM. NO SIREE, NOT A TEAR SHEAD HERE. THAT FUCKER CAN ROT
>IN HELL! GOOD RIDDANCE FRANK, WE HARDLY KNEW YE.
>
>
>
JOE SIX-PACK, USA
Frank Zappa was opposed to drug use and would fire any band member that
used drugs. You can read about it in the book "I'm with the band" by
Pamela DeBris.
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*"If your children ever find out how lame you really are, they`ll murder*
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