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OCTOBER 2014
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CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 20 – 23, 2014
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 20 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Electronics Task Group (ETG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 20-Oct-2014.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Roger
William
Erika
Robert
Roy
Jerome
Scott
Junta
Richard
Eric
Joseph
Gilbert
COMPANY NAME
Bloomfield
Cardinal
Crow
Fletcher
Garside
Hery
Meyer
Okutsu
Rumas
Saillard
Sebastiani
Shelby
Goodrich (UTAS)
Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
Lockheed Martin
BAE Systems MAI
Rolls-Royce
SAFRAN Group
Goodrich (UTAS)
Honeywell Aerospace
Honeywell Aerospace
Thales
Defense Contract Management Agency
Raytheon Company
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Emmanuel
Arian
James
Cristiano
Greg
Dan
Jose
Gilbert
Donna
Selcuk
Saroj
Igmar
Douglas
Matthew
Kees
Juan
Jennifer
COMPANY NAME
Acoja
Acosta
Barry
Bazzi
Bright
Egler
Lages
Leon
Lopez
Mentese
Patel
Reyes
Schueller
Smith
Van Der Schoor
Vasquez
Wagner
Zodiac Icore International Inc.
Zodiac Interconnect
Eltek USA Inc.
Somacis SpA
TE Connectivity
Plasma Ruggedized Solutions
Meggitt Sensing Systems
Zodiac Icore International Inc.
Cristek Interconnects
ECR Electronics Switzerland
JABIL
Zodiac Interconnect
AbelConn LLC
LogicPD
Fokker Elmo B.V.
Viasystems
Ducommun
Vice Chairperson
Secretary
Chairperson
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PRI Staff Present
Susan
Phil
Julia
Ian
Frailey
Ford
Markardt
Powers
Presentations are located in www.eAuditNet.com – Resources – Documents – Public
Documents – Electronics
1.2
Review Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct
The Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct were reviewed and the Antitrust Video was shown to all
attendees.
1.3
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
Motion made by Junta Okutsu and seconded by Scott Meyer to accept previous meeting minutes
from the June 2014 Nadcap Meeting as written. Motion passed.
2.0
SUBSCRIBER DISCUSSION – CLOSED
2.1
The October 2014 meeting agenda was reviewed.
2.2
Auditor selection process reviewed.
Susan Frailey provided a status update of the ETG auditors. ETG needs an additional three fulltime auditors to maintain the audit schedule. Susan Frailey presented that Julia Markardt could
help out as an auditor, in addition to her position as an ETG Staff Engineer. ETG is in favor of
Julia becoming an auditor and set the interview for new business on Thursday, 23-Oct-2014.
2.3
Technical discussions associated with audit packages
Audit 156839: No procedure for cleaning a temperature probe between immersions in different
tank chemistries. Using a calibrated probe daily to verify the un-calibrated temperature readout of
each tank.
ACTION ITEM: Printed Boards (PB) sub-team (AC7119) to add comment to AC7119 handbook to
address cross-contamination between chemistries. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2015)
ACTION ITEM: PB (AC7119) sub-team to review checklist related to airborne particulate. (Due
Date: 31-Jan-2015)
Parking lot item: Prepare general PowerPoint for electronics audit preparation. Can use existing
supplier symposium slides.
Audit 158198 NCR 3: Qualified No requested as the supplier does not tin and has no customer
requirement, as only IPC-A610 required.
ACTION ITEM: PB sub-team to review tinning and gold removal and ensure topics are separated.
(Due Date: 6-Feb-2015)
General discussion on how subscribers flow the gold removal requirement per J-STD-001.Most
rely on the supplier to determine if gold removal is required. A Subscriber noted a Supplier has
failed to identify components which required gold wash.
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Audit 158816 NCR 2: Failure of a calibration system. ETG is good with general question as this
is covered by AS9100.
ACTION ITEM: PB sub-team (AC7119) to add list of calibrated items to handbook. (Due Date: 31Jan-2015)
Audit 157935: Supplier to provide more details concerning the effectiveness of the manual (Arbor)
pull testing. The method is not repeatable or calibratable.
Audit 161757: Supplier in risk mitigation. Discussion of severity of findings and if the Supplier
should have been failed. Junta Okutsu to lead the team. Entire task group has been added to
roster as this is the first occurrence for ETG Risk Mitigation.
ACTION ITEM: Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff to schedule meeting for 10-Nov-2014, 8:00
a.m. EST for the risk mitigation team. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
2.4
Reviewed staff delegation metrics and t-frm-07 for Susan Frailey and Phil Ford.
Task group did not move to grant delegation.
2.5
eAuditNet training was not conducted as there were no new voting subscribers present.
2.6
ETG reviewed scope of accreditation of the only ETG satellite facility.
ETG resolved to utilize Heat Treat NTGOP-001 section 9 for addressing satellite audits.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to copy Heat Treat NTGOP-001 section 9 and add to the ETG appendix
and send for ballot. Per Gilbert Shelby’s suggestion, add: “main and satellite scope may be
combined to meet checklist requirements”. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2014)
2.7
Scott Meyer presented current status of auditor oversight plan per NOP-012. Plan has met the
objectives of observing each auditor and each checklist.
3.0
PRI REPORT OUT / METRICS – OPEN
3.1
Rail Review - Open
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed. Status and action items were updated
accordingly. For specific details, please see the current ETG Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to submit b-frm to allow ANSI S20.20 certification in lieu of answering
ESD section of AC7120 and AC7121. (Due Date: 06-Mar-2015)
3.2
Audit Observations / NOP-012 status
Scott Meyer presented current status of the ETG auditor oversight plan per NOP-012. Plan has
met the objectives of observing each auditor and each checklist.
3.3
Status of Ballots (as applicable)
AC7119 and AC7120 have completed Nadcap Management Council (NMC) review and are ready
for release.
ACTION ITEM: Susan Frailey to request an Excel version of the checklists to be placed into
eAuditNet. (Due Date: 14-Nov-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to forward Supplier Excel version to PRI. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
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3.4
Susan Frailey reviewed NTGOP-001 ETG Appendix concerning satellite audits.
Proposal to change the satellite criteria as ETG does have one Supplier with a satellite
accreditation. The existing accredited Supplier does not meet satellite definition and cannot meet
minimum scope of AC7119. Discussion deferred to closed meeting due to Supplier information
must be presented.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to work with Bob Lizewski to seek solution to satellite definition. (Due
Date: 28-Dec-2014)
3.5
Succession Plan – not discussed.
3.6
Auditor Conference Report Out
Auditor Conference sub-team presented the conference agenda and summarized auditor
feedback to the ETG.
4.0
MEASUREMENT SYSTEMS ANALSIS (MSA) REPORT – OPEN
Roy Garside gave a brief presentation on MSA and how Rolls-Royce, via SABRe, is flowing this
requirement out to their supply base.
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside, Jerome Hery, Scott Meyer, Kees van der Schoor to develop MSA
proposal for working session in March 2015. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
5.0
JET PRINTING REPORT – OPEN
Roy Garside gave a presentation on jet printing of solder paste. This is a new technology which
is not addressed by the current AC7120 checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to email IPC to determine if there are there any pending jet printing
of solder standards. (Due Date: 31-Oct-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to present update to jet printing presentation at the March 2015
Nadcap Meeting. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to propose post-solder paste printing validation questions via the bfrm. (Due Date: 26-Jun-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roy Garside to produce solder paste inspection survey and send to PRI for Task
Group distribution. (Due Date: 28-Feb-2015)
6.0
REVIEW SUB-TEAM MEMBER LIST – OPEN
Sub-team lists were reviewed and updated as required.
7.0
SSC MEETING NOTIFICATION (PRI GENERATED PRESENTATION) – OPEN
Doug Schueller talked about what the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) does and encouraged
everyone to attend the SSC meeting from 5:00-6:30pm on Tuesday, 21-Oct-2014.
Team discussed need to better prepare new suppliers for their ETG audit. A lot of information is
already contained in the supplier symposium presentations.
ACTION ITEM: Matt Smith, Saroj Patel, Doug Schueller, Jerome Hery, Junta Okutsu, Eric Saillard
to assemble draft welcome package for new ETG suppliers. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
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8.0
AUDIT CRITERIA HANDBOOK WORKING SESSION – OPEN
Discussion of format and purpose for ETG handbooks. General consensus is to use the AC7120
and AC7121 format with the matrix for source of questions followed by questions with additional
information.
9.0
AUDIT CRITERIA HANDBOOK WORKING SESSION REPORT OUT – OPEN
Gilbert Shelby updated the progress with the AC7119F Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7119 Handbook meeting for 4-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct2014)
ACTION ITEM: Gilbert Shelby to distribute AC7119F Handbook for ETG review. (Due Date: 01-Feb2015)
Scott Meyer updated the progress with the AC7120C Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7120C Handbook meeting for 2-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct2014)
Richard Rumas updated the progress with the AC7121B Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule AC7121B Handbook meeting for 1-Dec-2014. (Due Date: 31-Oct2014)
9.0
TRAINING SLASH SHEETS – OPEN
Scott Meyer and Kees van der Schoor presented the training slash sheets for AC7120 and
AC7121. Several comments are to be incorporated in the final draft.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Meyer to submit both training slash sheets via b-frm. Training questions to
be reviewed and updated in core AC7120. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
10.0
AC7120 REVISION D SLASH SHEET DEPLOYMENT PLAN – OPEN
Task Group divided into five groups to review AC7120C sections and which should be
incorporated into the pre-defined list of proposed slash sheets. Teams presented
recommendations to Task Group at large.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas and Julia Markardt to create draft AC7120 slash sheet proposal
based on working session output. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule WebEx for 12-Jan-2015 from 9:00-10:30am EST for AC7120 slash
sheets. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
Task Group reviewed which sections of AC7120 should be incorporated into a stand-alone
conformal coat checklist. Recommendation is 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 20, 21, 23, 24.
ACTION ITEM: Julia Markardt and Richard Rumas to format conformal coating checklist. (Due
Date: 28-Nov-2014)
12.0
NEW TECHNOLOGIES – OPEN
12.1
Hybrid - Little interest from Task Group to pursue and develop a slash sheet.
12.2
Box Build - No one requires / flows IPC-A-630 at this time. Richard Rumas gave the current
status of the standard within IPC. Jerome Hery noted there are no special processes with box
build.
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ACTION ITEM: PRI to resend survey to subscribers to ascertain interest in a box build flow-down.
Survey response due by 1-Feb-2015. (Due Date: 21-Nov-2014)
12.3
Printed Boards Plating Flow Down - Gilbert Shelby presented the results of the PB finish survey.
Sub-team will use this information to address a final finish slash sheet.
13.0
WORKING SESSION TO COMPLETE HANDBOOKS (IF REQUIRED) – OPEN
No discussion
14.0
WORKING SESSIONS (CONTINUED) – OPEN
15.0
VARIOUS REPORT OUTS – OPEN
15.1
Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Liaison
Gilbert Shelby
15.2
SSC
Doug Schueller
15.3
Planning & Operations
Richard Rumas and Roy Garside
15.4
IPC
Scott Meyer
16.0
FUTURE WORKING SESSIONS TOPICS DISCUSSION – OPEN
No discussion
17.0
NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
ETG reviewed interview questions for potential auditors.
Task Group interviewed Julia Markardt, PRI Staff Engineer, as a potential ETG auditor.
Interviewers were: Roy Garside (General), Doug Schueller (QMS), Gilbert Shelby (PB), Bill
Cardinal (PBA), Richard Rumas (C&H), and Scott Meyer (General). Task Group determined Julia
is acceptable for AC7120 and AC7121 (not AC7119) but would require additional training as
noted in the evaluation form.
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas to verify if eQualified can be used to screen / test potential
auditors. (Completed during meeting)
ACTION ITEM: Richard Rumas and Junta Okutsu to work with Honeywell if / how SCA electronics
tests can be used to screen potential ETG auditors. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Sub-team leads (Richard Rumas, Roy Garside, Gilbert Shelby) to review interview
questions related to their commodities and propose final questions for the March 2015 Nadcap
Meeting. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Bloomfield to review general audit related questions, Doug Schueller to
review questions with a supplier perspective, Scott Meyer to review general questions and lead
team. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to schedule Auditor Interview sub-team meeting for 13-Jan-2015. (Due Date: 12Dec-2014)
Motion made by Scott Meyer and seconded by Doug Schueller for James (Jim) Barry to become
a Supplier Voting Member of the ETG Task Group. Motion passed.
Task Group provided guidance to supplier questions in reference to broker purchases of
components and maximum time between soldering and cleaning. Requirements for concerning
broker purchases can be found in AS 5553 and IEC/TS 62668-1. Maximum time between
soldering and cleaning is eight hours as mandated by the Task Group. The Task Group will not
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accept whitepapers or flux manufacturer recommendations which allow greater than eight hours
to cleaning.
ACTION ITEM: Junta Okutsu to submit draft presentation of PB as a special process for use at
Planning & Operations. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Bill Cardinal and PRI Staff to draft supplier advisory to state that documents
presented to the auditor should be translated into English for auditor use. (Due Date: 31-Dec-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Task Group Subscribers to review the subscriber matrix for accuracy in relation to
ETG. (Due Date: 02-Mar-2015)
Task Group discussed the status of the AC7119 slash sheets. Majority of AC7119/1 is now part
of the core checklist. It was noted AC7119 does not invoke the slash sheets.
ACTION ITEM: Gilbert Shelby and Junta Okutsu to draft supplier advisory to inform PB (AC7119)
suppliers to select the appropriate slash sheet as well as AC7119. (Due Date: 01-Feb-2015)
18.0
MEETING CLOSURE ITEMS – OPEN
18.1
Review Priority List
Updated as necessary
18.2
Review Membership
Ishwar Mathur (IEC Electronics) no longer meets the requirements of a voting member and will be
removed.
Doug Schueller did not vote on two ballots. Task Group will allow him to retain voting rights.
Frank Cristofol and Eric Lacourt no longer meet the voting member requirements.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to send email to Frank Cristofol and Eric Lacourt concerning their status as a
voting member. (Due Date: 28-Nov-2014)
18.3
RAIL Review
Updated RAIL as necessary.
Reviewed action items from meeting minutes for inclusion onto the RAIL.
18.4
Set Agenda for March 2015 meeting
ADJOURNMENT – 23-Oct-2014 – Meeting was adjourned at 4:53 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Scott C. Meyer (scott.meyer@utas.utc.com)
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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
NTGOP-001 Appendix ETG
Susan Frailey
Due date:
30-Nov-2014