5 Writing Life Histories: Interviewing Extreme Right-wing Activists1 How and why our activists entered an extreme right movement is the leading question of this study. We chose to answer it through life-history interviews. This choice has both theoretical and methodological implications. Theoretically, because the employment of life history interviews implies that one seeks to understand individual choices - in our case the choice to become and stay active in a movement labeled as extreme right - as steps in personal trajectories (Blee and Taylor 2002). The reasons for this involvement in the extreme right are sought in the individual’s past. The interviewer and the interviewee travel back into time to the point where the interviewee first encountered the ER-movement and reconstruct the trajectory from then to present activism. Methodologically, because a life-history interview is necessarily a qualitative form of data-collection that requires specific analytical tools (Rubin and Rubin 1995). This chapter explains in detail which tools we used: how we collected our data, how we selected our interviewees and how the interviews were structured and analyzed. It ends with some afterthoughts about life history interviews as a manner of collecting information about extreme right activists. SAMPLING EXTREME RIGHT ACTIVISTS As indicated the objective of our study was to interview militants rather than mere supporters of extreme right organizations. It was agreed that in each country we would aim for people at different levels in the movement, with an emphasis on the lower echelons in the organizations rather than the leaders. We assumed that the leaders have so often been interviewed and confronted with the question of how they became involved in rightwing extremism that their stories would be too much determined by public relations strategies. As for the selection of the organizations, we chose, as we already explained (see Chapter 1) for each country a list of organizations that indisputably were perceived as extreme right rather than developing an a priori definition. Members of any of these organizations qualified as interviewees. We also agreed that we would try to interview activists from both political parties and other type of organizations. Furthermore, we decided to restrict ourselves to those organizations that, as far as we were able to see, stayed within the rules of the law. In each country the extreme right encompasses organizations that are on the fringe of criminal organizations or at least in the twilight zone between legal and illegal activities. These organizations were not included. Finally, we attempted to diversify our interviews in terms of gender, age, region, and other background variables. In fact, we deliberately over sampled female activists. In her book on women in the Ku Klux Klan, Kathy Blee (2002) observed that research on right-wing extremism tends to focus on men. As we did not want to make the same mistake we made sure that we had enough women among our interviewees to be able to shed some light on their specific position in the extreme right. 96 In each country the study was introduced as a study on political engagement initiated by the Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam. The interviewers could show the interviewee an official letter on the university’s stationery signed by Prof. Klandermans in his capacity as the project leader. It was emphasized that we would treat the information provided in the interviews in an anonymous way, although many an interviewee did not really mind. This was achieved by giving all our interviewees pseudonyms and only revealing their gender, their age and membership organization. Within this framework the actual sampling strategies differed in the five countries, although a mixture of snowball sampling and approaching potential interviewees at meeting places was used everywhere. Indeed, options such as sampling from membership lists were not feasible, as lists did not exist or were not made available to us. In this section we will briefly describe the samples in the five countries (see Appendix 1 for more details). Flanders In Flanders activists from three organizations were approached: Vlaams Blok (Flemish Block), Voorpost (Vanguard), and the Nationalistische Studentenvereniging (Nationalistic Student Association). The Vlaams Blok (VB) is Flanders’ successful extreme rightwing political party; Voorpost (VP) is an extreme right action group, while the Nationalistische Studentenvereniging (NSV) is an extreme right student organization. In each of the three organizations some initial 97 contacts were instrumental in referring the interviewer to other potential interviewees. Eventually through snowballing, we were able to interview 28 activists (7 female and 21 male) in Flanders - eleven from the VB (2 female and 9 male), nine from VP (2 female and 7 male, and eight from the NSV (3 female and 5 male). The interviewees came from different regions where the organizations were active: Limburg, Antwerp and Louvain as far as the VB is concerned, Antwerp and EastFlanders as for VP, and the two Flemish universities towns (Louvain and Ghent) for the NSV. Eight of the Belgian interviewees had been involved for more than 12 years in their organization; ten between 5 and 11 years and ten for 4 years or less. Some activists occupied high level positions in the organization and some low level ones, but the vast majority held positions at an intermediate level. They were between 18 and 59 years old, on average 33.8 years, members of the student association included, and 38.4 without the students. If one leaves the members of the student association out who were all enrolled at the university - most interviewees finished secondary schooling. Six activists had a higher education. Except for two retirees and the students, all interviewees were employed, mostly in white-collar jobs. The Netherlands In the Netherlands we interviewed 36 activists: 31 men and 5 women. They were actively involved in one or more of the parties or organizations that composed the 98 Dutch extreme right of those days: seventeen in the Centrum Democraten (Centre Democrats, CD), eleven in the Centrum Partij ’86 (Centre Party, CP ’86) and later some of those eleven in the VolksNationalisten Nederland (People’s Nationalists Netherlands, VNN). Three of our interviewees participated in the Nederlands Blok (Netherlands Block, NB), two in the Nederlandse Volksunie (Netherland’s People’s Union, NVU), and three in Voorpost Nederland (Vanguard Netherlands, VPN). The CD, CP ’86, the VNN, the NB, and the NVU were all five political parties; VPN was a meeting point of rightwing extremists, but unlike its Flemish counterpart it functioned more as a think tank than as an action group. Some of the people approached were people known by us from websites of the movement or the antiextreme right countermovements. They were approached directly by phone, others we reached through snowballing. A few activists who initially refused to be interviewed agreed at a later stage, after hearing about our study from others in the movement. Most of the interviewees came from the country’s large cities, but a few were from urban areas. In the Netherlands one third of the interviewees was actively involved in the movement for more than twelve years, one third between five and eleven years, and one third four years or less. Some interviewees were holding position within the party or organization, such as chairmen, deputy-chairmen or board members of the party, or chairmen or deputy-chairmen of a local branch or the youth-wing of the party. Others occupied positions in the political arena. The average age of our interviewees was 42.7 years - the youngest was 17 and the oldest 72. Two quarters have a lower or higher level professional training, 10 activists had some college or 99 high school degree, 6 of whom continued some kind of university education. Four activists had little more than primary education. More than half of the interviewees (20) had no paid job. Six were retired, fourteen were unemployed. The remaining 12 activists had a company of their own or were working for some employer often in occupations that require little training such as taxi driver. Germany In Germany it was more difficult than in the other countries to get access to the movement. Some organization refused to collaborate (Deutsche Volksunion German People’s Union - and Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschland - National Democratic Party - both political parties), other we omitted because of the potential unlawfulness of the organization or its members (Jungen Nationaldemokraten Young National Democrats). Eventually, some activists of the Republikaner (an ER political party) agreed to collaborate. When the first few interviews were successfully conducted others agreed to be interviewed - part of whom were reached through snowballing technique, while others were approached at a national meeting of the party. Eventually we interviewed 20 Republikaner (6 female and 14 male). In order to get beyond the Republikaner (REP) the editorial team of Junge Freiheit (Young Freedom - JF, an extreme right magazine) was approached. Four (male) agreed to be interviewed. That brought the German sample at 24 (6 female and 18 male). The interviewees came from different regions of the country (6 from Nordrhein Westfalen, 7 from Berlin, 3 from Baden-Württemberg, 4 from Bayern, and 1 from Rheinland-Pfalz). 100 Most German interviewees (15) had been affiliated for a period between 5 and 11 years to the Republikaner ; four for more than 12 years and four since less than five years. In terms of their position in the organization, many in the German sample were party officials. Thirteen occupied high positions, ten intermediate positions, and only one interviewee occupied a lower level position in the party. Their age ranged from 22 to 78 years, with an average age of 43.8. Eight of the German activists had a university degree, two studied at the university but never finished, while two were planning to study at the university in the future. The remaining 12 achieved some kind of secondary schooling. Only one interviewee was unemployed; two were retired, two were students and one was a housewife. The eighteen other activists occupied a variety of white-collar jobs. Italy In Italy we interviewed 33 activists: (8 female and 25 male). These interviewees were actively involved in one of the three political parties that form the offspring of the Movimento Sociale Italiano (National Social Movement, MSI), the former fascist party. Eleven activists (4 female and 7 male) belonged to the Alleanza Nazionale (National Alliance, AN); eleven (3 female and 8 male to the Movimento Sociale-Fiamma Tricolore (Social Movement of the Three Coloured Flame, MSFT); eleven (1 female and 10 male) to the Movimento Fascismo e Libertà (Movement for Fascism and Freedom, MFL). Members of the three organizations were contacted by phone. Eight of the eleven interviewees, in each organization, were from the north of Italy (mostly Milan), the remaining three from the south. 101 A large proportion of the 33 Italian activists (18) had been involved in the extreme right movement for more than 12 years, sometimes up to more than 50 years. Seven Italians had been active in the extreme right for a period between five and eleven years and eight since less than five years. Their position in the party ranked from high level position to intermediate and low level. Their age ranged from 19 to 69 years old. The average age was 42.4. Twelve studied at the university, three of them never finished. Four had little more than primary education, the remaining nineteen went through secondary education. A few were still high school or university students, three interviewees were retired, only one unemployed. The others were working in a variety of positions, but only two or three one can consider as bluecollar positions. France In France we conducted 36 interviews (11 female and 25 male), all of which with members of the Front National (FN). We made sure, however, to recruit interviewees from the various currents that constitute the FN (royalists, Catholics, new right, traditional right). The interviewees were approached at party events, local party organizations and through snowballing. The French sample consisted predominantly in very active members of the FN, to a lesser extent of party officials. The interviewees came from the North and the South East of the country - two regions where the FN is strong, and also from Paris. Over one third of the interviewees had been actively involved in extreme right politics for more than 12 years, mostly within the FN, although some had a personal 102 history in the ER that went way beyond the history of the FN. A similar number had been active in the extreme right field between five and eleven years, again mostly within the FN, while nine for less than five years. The age of the French activists ranged from 17 to 75. The average age was 38.5 years. The vast majority had higher education (25), nine interviewees had secondary education and no more than 2 only primary education. Eight of the interviewees were students; three were unemployed and six retired. All but three of those who were employed held white-collar positions. Movement versus party A first observation one can make is that the vast majority of our interviewees were actively involved in a political party. In Italy and France this was the case for all interviewees, while in the Netherlands and Germany this holds for all but a few. Belgium is the only country that deviates from this pattern. In other words, activism as discussed with our interviewees is predominantly political, partisan activism. This is not necessarily a problem as the parties included in our study obviously are part of the larger extreme right movement sector. And there appears to be a clear overlap between the political parties and other movement organizations. On the one hand, parties are coalitions of currents that exist within the extreme right in a country; on the other hand those who were interviewed were usually involved in other ER associations (youth movements, student’s organizations, cultural associations), and voted without exception for the extreme right in recent elections. Nonetheless, the majority of our interviewees will tell us stories about their involvement in a political party. 103 The quality of our sample How representative of the extreme right activists are our samples in each country of our study? This is a qualitative study. The samples are neither based on random sampling nor on quota sampling methods. They try to encompass in each country the most contrasted types of ER activists. They are like a magnifying glass. That means that one should be cautious not to generalize beyond the possible. Yet, we believe that in combination our interviews provide a reliable picture of rightwing extremists, certainly as far as those actively involved in political parties are concerned. Indeed the differences between the country samples are not completely random and do reflect some of the known characteristics of the extreme right in the five countries. It is obviously no accident that in Italy so many of our interviewees have been for more than 12 years involved in the ER, nor is it by chance that in the Netherlands so many occupy marginal positions in society. We believe also that it is not mere coincidence that there are so few blue-collar workers among our activists. On the one hand, activism in general is a role taken more often by individuals with more social and cultural resources. On the other hand, ER organizations seem to be mostly middle class white collar movements, as shown for instance by the studies of party membership and Congress delegates of the FN in France (Ivaldi 1994; Ysmal 1991). Such meaningful characteristics of our samples go with further variations on characteristics like gender, age, duration of membership, position in the movement, education, and employment. Altogether this makes us feel confident about the quality of our samples and their capacity to provide us with a valid and reliable 104 picture of extreme rightwing activism in our five countries in the last decade of the 20th century. THE INTERVIEWS Life history interviews are like travels through time. On the basis of an interview scheme the interviewee is asked to go back in the past. In the course of the interview the interviewer and the interviewee try to reconstruct a specific part of the interviewee’s life. As our study concerned the interviewee’s career in a given movement of the ER, the interview started with the question of when and how the interviewee became involved in this movement. Subsequently, it moved on to questions about what it is like to be actively involved in this field and whether the interviewee had considered occasionally quitting activism. Two important additional sections of the interview concerned social and political beliefs and attitudes, and what it meant to the interviewee personally to be involved in such an organization (see Table 5.1). INSERT TABLE 5.1 NEAR HERE In addition to the historical timeframe, the interview scheme is based on the theoretical notions elaborated in Chapters 1 through 4. The first question aims at distinguishing between continuity and conversion as entrance trajectories and the role of agents of socialization, critical events and processes of mobilization in those contexts. The second question aims at mapping the instrumentality component of the interviewee’s motivation to participate. It concerns the costs and benefits of 105 participation. The questions about social and political beliefs and attitudes are meant to tap the ideology component of the motivation to participate. In addition to questions which aimed directly at tapping political views, this section of the interview encompassed projective tests based on four photographs shown to the interviewee: a flag of the European Union, troops of the United Nations, a war cemetery with one Star of David amidst hundreds of white crosses, hundreds of Muslims praying in the streets of Marseille. This was meant as an unobtrusive way to elicit ideological stands that interviewees might otherwise be reluctant to voice particularly anti-Semitic and anti Muslim stands. The final question about the meaning of someone’s activism relates to the identity component of the motivation to participate. The basic structure of the interviews was determined by the lead questions in Table 5.1. The interviewers disposed of a set of additional questions and probes for each key-question in order to follow-up on the answers (see Appendix 2). The interviewers were free to chose the order of the questions depending on the interaction as it evolved as long as all the aspects mentioned in the scheme were treated. Towards the end of the interview the interviewees were asked to answer a set of biographical queries about their age, education, profession, position in the organization, duration of their membership, etc. Most interviews were conducted by the junior members of our team.2 All the interviewers took part in interview training sessions. After the first few interviews were conducted the team convened to discuss the experiences. On the basis of this 106 discussion the interview scheme was finalized. In the course of the interview period the junior members of the team met to discuss progress and experiences. In addition, they exchanged experiences via email. The majority of the interviews was conducted in 1997 and 1998. Some interviews were conducted in 1999 as were some follow-up interviews. We left the interviewee the choice of the location for the interview. Some interviews were in the interviewee’s home, some were in public places such as restaurants or bars, and some were in office space of the organization. All interviews were audio taped, but only after the interviewee’s consent, which none refused to give. The interviews lasted from one hour to many hours, but the modal interview was approximately 3 hours. All interviewers made notes before and after the interviews. In preparation of an interview, interviewers tried to deepen their understanding of the organization the interviewee participated in and if possible of the role of the interviewee in the organization. Much was done to gain the confidence of the interviewee. Sometimes by making several appointments. Many of these people have negative experiences with interviews and journalists and were initially very distrustful. On the whole, however, we believe that we succeeded in establishing the rapport needed for reliable and valid interviews. This was evidenced by the many positive remarks our interviewers received from their interviewees. Many of them enjoyed the interview. Indeed, for many this was the first time that someone took the time and effort to listen to their story and take it seriously. 107 PROCESSING THE DATA Data processing took place in several steps. First, all 157 interviews were fully transcribed in their original language. Second, on the basis of our interview scheme and theoretical notions we had developed a tentative coding scheme. This tentative coding scheme was tested on the first five interviews. The experiences with the coding were evaluated and used to improve the coding scheme. In fact, the junior members of the team spent some days together working on the coding of some of the interviews. As part of this step a limited number of interviews were co-rated by a second coder. Comparison of coded interviews were used to sharpen the coding scheme. Third, on the basis of the key-questions in the coding scheme the interviews were summarized and exemplary quotes were selected for each interview. The summaries and exemplary quotations were translated into English. Fourth, the actual coding and analyzing of the full interviews was undertaken by the individual country teams on the basis of the interviews in their original language.3 Transcription The spoken text was fully transcribed. In a second step, matters such as intermittent communication to a child, a spouse or a waiter, or reinforcing utterances by the interviewer such as ‘hm’ or ‘yes’ were omitted, as were fillers used by the interviewee such as ‘you know’ or ‘ehm’ unless they are clearly functional. Transcribed text was entered in the computer to make it ready for processing. Code book 108 Table 5.2. presents a summary of the code book we developed (see Appendix 3 for the complete code book as it was used in the actual coding). The coding scheme was developed around five sections: processes of socialization, critical events, entry of the organization, maintenance of commitment, and exit. Each section consists of several code families. The elaboration of the code families is based on the theoretical notions developed in the introductory chapters. INSERT TABLE 5.2 NEAR HERE The entry on ‘Socialization’ is meant to distill out of the interview what social environment the activists grew up in, focusing on political socialization. Where did the interviewees grew up, how was their relationship with their parents and the rest of family, what experiences were important in their youth, what cues are there in the course of their lives, that relates to their being active in a right-wing extremist movement today? Which agents of socialization did influence them and what values were transferred by them? This part of the coding is meant to map the ‘demand-side’ of activism and distinguish between different pathways to activism. How did the readiness to become actively involved in rightwing extremism develop? Did activists grew up in extreme right milieus? Were they interested in rightwing politics early on or did they turn to the extreme right at a later point in their life? Is there any evidence of abeyance structures that link today’s extreme right to the extreme right from the past? What made our interviewees become interested in extreme right activism - grievances, search for identity, ideological resonance? 109 The entries on ‘Critical Events’ and ‘Entry of the Organization’ intend to describe the process of mobilization. How was action preparedness translated into activism? Did critical events serve as turning point in someone’s life? Was it the individual who approached the organization or the organization that approached the individual? What was the role of (friendship) networks? The entry on ‘Maintenance of Commitment’ deals with actual activism. How does the interviewee become structurally integrated in the organization and what is the psychological meaning of activism to him. Structural integration concerns such matters as time spent, type of activities, position within the organization, social integration in the organization. Psychological meaning concerns the question of whether activism is a gratifying experience. Does the ‘supply’ of activism satisfy the ‘demand’? Is the instrumental, identity and ideological motivation of activism being served? In this part of the coding answers must be given to such questions as What does it mean to the interviewees to be active? What do they get out of it? What are the costs and benefits of activism? Does it give a sense of fulfillment? Why does it make sense to be active? Does it give meaning to the world? The entry on ‘Exit’ concerns the question of whether the interviewees have considered to quit. It tries to assess what costs and benefits in the eyes of the interviewees are associated with disengagement. Note that some interviewees quitted after we had interviewed them. We were able to re-interview some of these people that had abandoned activism. 110 Summarizing and coding The coding of the interviews was in all countries done by the members of the team who also conducted the interviews. Before the actual coding was undertaken the interviews were read once again and summarized on the basis of the key-questions in the coding scheme. Per interview we also selected exemplary quotations for each key-question. Summarizing the interviews was an important step necessary to master the content of the interviews for the eventual coding.4 Everybody got some training in the use of Atlas.ti-software to analyze written text (Miles and Huberman 1984; Muhr 1997) - but it was decided to leave it at the discretion of the country-teams whether or not to use the software as long as they employed the agreed upon coding scheme. Eventually, different strategies were employed to code the interviews in the various countries. SOME AFTERTHOUGHTS At the time when we designed our study we felt that the best way to find an answer to our research questions would be to conduct life history interviews. We believed that, activists of the extreme right are as rational or irrational as any movement activist and wanted to understand the reasoning behind their activism. What does a world look like in which rightwing extremism is meaningful and how does someone come to see the world that way? As we thought that personal experiences play an important role in that respect (Teske 1997; Andrews 1991; Blee 2002) life histories appeared to us a significant source of information. In the life of every activist there is a point in time where he or she makes the transition from non-active to active. 111 Such transitions seldom take place overnight, although conversions sometimes give that impression. The final step to enter activism usually comes at the end of longer trajectories. It was these trajectories that we were interested in. Whether it was a conversion or a continuous track, we wanted to reconstruct it and understand its dynamics. Such a reconstruction is difficult to undertake within the framework of a structured questionnaire. Both the interviewer and the interviewee need the freedom to elaborate on the story to be told. Therefore, life history interviews are necessarily in-depth interviews. It is difficult to imagine how otherwise one could explore someone’s past. Events that took place long time ago must be recollected, matters that are sensitive to the interviewee must be dealt with, and complicated stories must be told. We put a lot of effort into establishing the rapport needed for such interviews to work out and we believe that in most cases we succeeded. This is not to say that we took everything the interviewees told us for real. In fact, we put quite a lot of time and energy in acquiring independent information about the interviewees, the organizations, the events, and the people they were talking about. We scrutinized websites, written material from the organization, documentation available through the countermovements5 and other sources. Moreover, frequently our interviewees themselves provided unknowingly validation of the stories told by the others. In this way we were basically able to check most of the factual information given by the interviewees. Their interpretation of those facts remains, of course, idiosyncratic. One must be careful to not take the reconstruction that results from the interview as the real story. It remains a reconstruction (Blee and Taylor 2002), but this is exactly what we were interested in. 112 When we approached people to gain their co-operation, we were often treated with suspicion for understandable reasons. The extreme right has been portrayed in the media in a very negative way. Their organizations have been infiltrated by undercover journalists who filled the newspapers with stories about the life backstage that the people try to cover up at front stage. In our efforts to counter these suspicions we were, however, careful to not make the opposite mistake and suggest that we were sympathetic to their objectives. In our team we spent quite some time on the ethics of getting along with a movement and activists we did not sympathize with. Every cookbook on in-depth interviewing tells you that you got to establish a relationship with your interviewees to be able to do good interviews. But, how does one establish a relationship with people to whom one doesn’t feel akin at all? The usual recipe - show understanding and appreciate their viewpoints - was not what we wanted. We certainly did not want to give the impression that we agreed with what they were saying. Interestingly, our method - the life-history interview - worked to our advantage. We basically wanted our interviewees to tell us about their past and what it meant to them to be actively involved in their organization. There was no need for them to defend themselves, as we were genuinely interested in their views and why these views motivated them to become an extreme right activist. Evidence of our ability to establish rapport came from the interviewees themselves who began to call us back to give additional information or to invite us to meetings, social events, gatherings, lectures, and the like. Such invitations we often accepted as we felt that it would help us to deepen our understanding of their activism. In France and the Netherlands such enduring relations could be fruitfully exploited to return to 113 some of the interviewees for a second round of interviews after significant changes in the movement (the split within the FN and the devastating elections in the Netherlands) had occurred. We had expected that it would be difficult to persuade people to be interviewed, and indeed in Germany it appeared to be not easy to get access to organizations we wanted to include in our study, but on the whole the activists were quite cooperative, especially after the first suspicion was evaporated. Indeed, on quite a few occasions these were people who wanted to talk, who had a message to convey. Once they figured that in fact the interviews remained confidential and did not appear in a newspaper, they became even more willing sometimes even anxious to be interviewed. It certainly helped not to include the more violent groups in our study. In fact, our interviewees were basically ‘normal’ people, socially integrated, connected in one way or another to mainstream groups and ideas. 1 This chapter has been co-authored by all members of the team. 2 The interviews in the Netherlands were conducted by Annette Linden; the interviews in Germany by Ludger Klein, those in Italy by Patrizia Milesi, Alberto Crescentini, and Antonello Chirumbolo; and the interviews in France were conducted by Valérie Lafont. In Flanders it was Hans de Witte who conducted the interviews with Voorpost, while some of his students conducted the remaining interviews: Kaat Bilsen (VB), and Alexander Vander Stichele, Marjan Vertommen, Bart Jansen, and Patrick Fransen (NSV). 3 Even if translation of the fully transcribed interviews were feasible, it would in all likelihood have produced flawed translations as many of the subtle meanings of colloquial language would have been lost in the translation. Moreover, understanding the meaning may require an indigene anyway, as 114 many unobtrusive cues given in the interview are only understandable for someone who is part of the society. 4 As an important side-product the summaries and exemplary quotations were translated into English and made available to all members of the team. Together with the fully transcribed interviews they form the data-file of our study. 5 The documentation available through the countermovement in some countries appears to be amazingly detailed and reliable. 115