MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 21-24, 2013
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 21 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED/OPEN
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Materials Testing Laboratories (MTL) Task Group (TG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 21Oct-2013.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Fran
David
Pietro
Phillippe
Robert
Doug
George
Debashis
Kevin
Colin
James
Steve
Jeff
Frank
Adrien
Muriel
Jennifer
Olivier
Tim
Colby
Alan
Amanda
Christian
Gary
Verl
COMPANY NAME
Azzarto
Bale
Bonarrigo
Brailly
Clark
Deaton
Doviak
Dutta
Elston
Fletcher
Foster
Johnson
Koss
Lennert
Maffre
Malhomme
McKeegan
Molinas
Myers
Nicks
Paneccasio
Rickman
Schwaminger
Winters
Wisehart
GE Aviation
Pratt & Whitney
Bombardier, Inc.
SAFRAN Group
Eaton Aerospace
GE Aviation
Goodrich (UTAS)
Goodrich (UTAS)
Spirit AeroSystems, Inc.
Bell Helicopter Textron
Honeywell Aerospace
Triumph Aerostructures - VAD
The Boeing Company
The Boeing Company
Airbus
Airbus
Cessna Aircraft Company
Eurocopter
Honeywell Aerospace
Bell Helicopter Textron
Pratt & Whitney
Raytheon Co.
MTU Aero Engines AG
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Rolls-Royce
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Henrik
Siobhan
Richard
COMPANY NAME
Ahlren
Alekna
Balamut
Cannon Muskegon Corp
SPS Technologies
NSL Analytical
Chairperson
Vice-Chairperson
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
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Lei
Francois
Pierre
Brent
Corwyn
Peter
Mary Lee
Allan
Philip
Daniel
Jean-Francois
John
Julien
Chris
Deena
Lyron
Lee
Eric
Hocine
Niall
Bryan
Timothy
Romeo
Dawn
David
Elizabeth
Rick
Scott
Michelle
Brian
Bryan
Kevin
Frank
Daniel
Nirisha
Steve
Dennis
Boyko
Rick
Sylvie
Richard
David
Julie
Chris
Christine
Roger
Annette
Owen
Bob
Jacob
Rozalia
Lee
Frank
Barry
Sara
James
Douglas
Bao
Barbaza
Barbaza
Bartlett
Berger
Bittner
Bogensperger
Breller
Bretz
Carroll
Chevalier
Chir
Corato
Cowap
Crossmore
Crumes
Dilks
Dirats
Djellab
Dodds
Engel
Esau
Evangelista
Fechtel
Fluck
Galabova
Gasset
Gates
Glass
Griffin
Hall
Hineman
Horton
Hunt
Kaul
Keck
Kidd
Kirilov
Kuhns
Lefebvre Addison
Lewis
Luoni
Motz
Napoli
Nesbitt
Ng
O’Connell
O’Grady
Olevson
Padrul
Papp
Parsley
Peszka
Rafan
Randall
Rauckhorst
Reed
National Analysis Center – Iron & Steel
ECCI
ECCI
Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.
Exova Inc., Chicago Laboratory
Constellium Rolled Products Ravenswood, LLC
PCC Airfoils, LLC
PCC Structurals - San Leandro
Metcut Research Associates, Inc.
Timet
Lisi Aerospace
Latrobe Specialty Steel Company
Exova
Exova s.r.o.
IMR Test Labs
Haynes International, Inc.
Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Dirats Laboratories
Verdun Andoizing, Inc.
Exova (UK) Limited
Consolidated Precision Products CPP - Syracuse
Element Cincinnati
Metals Technology, Inc.
Metaltest, Inc.
Haynes International, Inc.
Alcoa Fastening Systems Fullerton
Lisi Aerospace
Element Wixom
Kennametal Stellite LP
Howmet Research Corp.
NSL Analytical Services, Inc.
ATI Allegheny Ludlum
Carpenter Technology Corp.
Haynes International, Inc.
Air Liquide U.S. LP
Carpenter Technology Corp.
Cincinnati Testing Labs, Inc.
Alcoa Global Fasteners, Inc.
Bristol Industries
Lisi Aerospace
PCC Structurals Carson City
Element Materials Technology
Barnes Aerospace
Allegheny Ludlum
Timet
Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.
Haynes International, Inc.
Exova (UK) Limited
Element Materials Technology
Constellium France
Air Liquide U.S. LP
Click Bond, Inc.
Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Universal Stainless
The M&P Lab, Inc.
Tensile Testing Metallurgical Lab
Special Metals Corp.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
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Mark
Jennifer
James
Kevin
Dave
Sanjay
Derek
Jeff
Byron
Paulette
Jeffry
Howard
Gigi
Shirley
Tsunao
T. Rao
Jennifer
Natia
Awwen
Jeff
Kevin
Margaret
Charles
Frank
Carissa
Richeson
Roesener
Rossi
Seidel
Serbousek
Shendye
Sicotte
Simmons
Skillings
Slabaugh
Smith
Spader
Streeter
Strickland
Terzuka
Tipirneni
Tret
Turmanidze
Tyrsson
Viney
VonScio
Willis
Woods
Worpenberg
Wright
Haynes International, Inc.
Erdman Machine Co.
Westmoreland Mechanical Testing
Universal Stainless
Olympic Scientific, Inc.
Hitchiner Manufacturing Co., Inc.
Dirats Laboratories
Sherry Laboratories
ATI Ladish Forging
Sherry Laboratories of Indiana LLC
Element Cleveland
Instron
Barnes Aerospace
The M&P Lab, Inc.
IHI Corporation
Long Island Testing Labs, Inc.
Sherry Laboratories of Indiana LLC
Lisi Aerospace
Barnes Aerospace
Metcut Research Associates, Inc.
Perryman Company
Allvac Monroe
Alcoa Technical Center
Element Cincinnati
Metaltest, Inc.
PRI Staff Present
Elisabeth
Robert
Jennifer
Kevin
Bojan
Hoeth
Kornrumpf
Wetzel
1.2
Introductions
1.3
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct
The PRI video regarding the Code of Ethics, Antitrust and meeting conduct was shown.
1.4
Review Agenda
Agenda.docx
Please refer to eAuditNet for more information: Resources → Public Documents → Materials
Testing Laboratories → Nadcap Meeting Presentations → October 2013. These presentations
contain the information reviewed in the meeting.
1.5
Review and Accept Minutes from June 2013
Tim Myers requested an amendment to be added to the attendance record and listed in the
meeting minutes.
The minutes from June 2013 were approved with the addition of Tim Myers as an attendee.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
1.6
Revisited the request for a MTL Secretary moving forward
Verl Wisehart agreed to act as Secretary at the February 2014 meeting.
2.0
AUDIT REPORT REVIEWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED
The Metrics tab on the eAuditNet Dashboard and the t-frm-07 for all reviewers were reviewed. All
current delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, Rob Hoeth, and Bob Lizewski) continue to
meet the requirements defined in NOP-003. All reviewers maintained their delegated status.
3.0
AUDITOR EVALUATIONS – CLOSED
The topic of whether or not Auditor evaluations should continue to be part of a Closed meeting
was not discussed.
Auditor Evaluations were presented along with the Dashboard on eAuditNet; no action was
required.
Supplier Feedback per auditor was presented. The limited negative feedback pertaining to
Auditor conduct/professionalism was addressed at the auditor conference. Task Group agreed no
further action required at this time.
Audit Report Observation Reports were reviewed and discussed. NOP-007 was reviewed as this
procedure describes the process for scheduling and participation for an audit observation. There
was one observation which was listed as “does not meet expectation”. This was reviewed in detail
along with the auditor response to the Observers comments. All comments were addressed to the
Task Group’s satisfaction. The Task Group agreed that no further action is required at this time.
4.0
MATTERS OF ACCREDITATION– CLOSED
NOP/NIP/NTGOP documents where Subscribers have responsibilities were discussed to ensure
subscriber understanding of responsibilities.
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel/Tim Myers to put Subscribers’ responsibilities information in
eAuditNet (Due date: 15-Nov-2013)
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to email all subscribers with Subscribers’ responsibilities (Due Date: 15Nov-2013)
Motion made by Tim Myers to revise NTGOP-001 Appendix MTL to reflect: (1) conduct at least
annual reviews of subscriber responsibilities in a Nadcap meeting and (2) designate the MTL
Chair to review subscriber responsibilities with each new subscriber voting member concurrent
with TG acceptance as a voting member. Motion seconded. Motion passed (13-0).
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to ballot NTGOP-001 Appendix MTL with the following addition (1)
conduct at least annual reviews of subscriber responsibilities in a Nadcap meeting and (2)
designate the MTL Chair to review subscriber responsibilities with each new subscriber voting
member concurrent with TG acceptance as a voting member. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2013)
An allegation against a Nadcap accredited testing laboratory was presented to the Subscribing
Task Group members. The Task Group members in attendance felt that there was not sufficient
evidence upon which it could take action. It was determined that all MTL TG Subscribers should
be made aware of the allegation and investigate on their own. If any evidence of wrong doing is
obtained, the Subscriber(s) are to report that to the TG.
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to forward allegation summary to the MTL subscribing companies.
The subscriber voting members to investigate internally and report back to the Task Group (Due
Date: 15-Dec-2013)
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
Execution of Options 2 and 3 in AC7101/1 Appendix C (Proficiency Testing Program Approval)
was not discussed.
Review of root cause critiques within audits was not discussed.
5.0
MEMBER PARTICIPATION PRESENTATION – OPEN
MTL TG Participation
October 2013.ppt
All Voting members have been contacted concerning their participation.
One (1) Subscriber has missed two (2) consecutive ballots.
Six (6) Suppliers have missed two (2) consecutive ballots.
Two (2) Suppliers have missed three (3) consecutive meetings.
Four (4) of the six (6) Suppliers have responded and the Chair has approved maintaining their
membership (Byron Skilling – ATI-Ladish, T. Rao Tipirneni – Long Island Testing Inc., Jennifer
Tret – Sherry Laboratories of Indiana LLC,, Bryan Engel - Consolidated Precision Products CPP
– Syracuse). The two remaining suppliers have been re-contacted (Ray Schiltz – AADFW, Mary
Lee Bogensperger – PCC Airfoils, LLC. If no response is received, the suppliers will be removed
prior to the February Nadcap meeting.
Of the two Suppliers who have missed meeting attendance; one (Frank Anderson – The M+P
Labs) was moved to an alternate Supplier Voting Member as a new Supplier Voting Member from
the same company was approved at this meeting, and the other (Anil Joshi - Praxair Surface
Technologies) has been removed.
The one Subscriber(John Haddock of BAE Systems, MAI) who has missed consecutive ballots
verbally responded and is to provide official notification of decision for removal as a voting
member.
6.0
NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN
Philippe Brailey of SAFRAN Group was proposed as an Alternative Subscriber Voting Member.
Motion made and seconded to accept Philippe Brailey as an Alternative Subscriber Voting
Member. Subscriber meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion
passed.
Goerges Coste of SAFRAN Group was proposed as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion made
and seconded to accept Goerges Coste as a Subscriber Voting Member. Subscriber meets the
background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.
David Bale of Pratt & Whitney Canada was proposed as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion
made and seconded to accept David Bale as a Subscriber Voting Member. Subscriber meets the
background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.
Jeff Koss of The Boeing Company was proposed as an Alternative Subscriber Voting Member.
Motion made and seconded to accept Jeff Koss as a Subscriber Voting Member. Subscriber
meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.
Kevin Hineman of ATI Allegheny Ludlum was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. There
were no objections. Kevin Hineman is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
Shirley Strickland of The M&P Lab Inc. was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member and to move
Frank Anderson of The M&P Lab Inc. to the Alternate Supplier Voting Member. No objections.
Shirley Strickland is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member and Frank Anderson is the Alternate
Voting Member.
7.0
PRESENT PARTICIPANT FEEDBACK PROVIDED TO MTL LEADERSHIP – OPEN
The Task Group leadership reviewed the Paris meeting comments, the feedback overall shows
the meeting facilitation has improved. Subscriber attentiveness and participation has increased
along with open and improved communication. The group would like more technical discussion in
future meetings. It was also felt that more is accomplished in small working groups during the
larger Task Group meeting.
8.0
NADCAP TUTORIAL – OPEN
An MTL Task Group Tutorial was presented. No further discussion followed.
MTL TG Tutorial October 2013.ppt
The MTL preferred approach for effectively resolving NCRs was discussed. The expectation is
for the Supplier to submit the first response to NCRs before contacting the Audit Report Reviewer
for guidance. The audit report review is not a consultant. The supplier RCCA process needs to be
robust; the reviewer needs to see it is working. Every NCR has a link with instructions on How to
respond to NCR. Additionally, a Root Cause Corrective Action tutorial is available at
http://www.pri-network.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/RCCANadcapStyle.pdf
The procedural processes in NOP-001 and NIP 7-03 were presented to inform the Task Group of
the allowance and process for Task Group Resolution and Appeals.
9.0
ACTIVITY REPORTS – OPEN
Major activity from the previous meeting was reviewed. This included reaffirming Subscriber
support of NOP-002 section 3.3 (Checklist Vision), adopting the MTL Vision and approving a
Checklist Revision process.
TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUPS (TAGs) reported on a summary of activity and challenges
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AC7101/1 –Please see section 16.0 for this group.
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AC7101/2 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/3 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/4 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/4 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/4 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/5 – For indents on curved surfaces, AC7101/5 is in alignment with ASTM E10; no
change is recommended
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AC7101/6 – No Updates or Requests
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AC7101/7 – No Updates or Requests
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
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AC7101/9 – A clarification of the use of offsets when load thermocouples are used as control
thermocouples has yet to be resolved.
It was noted that NOP-002 Quality System requirements have been revised for ISO 17025 scope
of accreditation so that scopes no longer need to match the requested Nadcap Scope.
The MTL Auditor Consistency committee is on hold until enough data is collected on the revised
checklists.
A summary of the Auditor Conference was presented.
October 2013 MTL
Auditor Conference conversation questions.docx
The request for participation on standard creation was sent through SAE International. Initial
responses have been varied from the extent of support, to the questioning of the rationale for
development.
10.0
AGENDA REVIEW – OPEN
The agenda for the balance of the meeting was reviewed and adjusted.
11.0
CONTINUE DEFINITION OF MTL CHECKLIST REVISION PROCESS – OPEN
Verl Wisehart made a motion to create a Test Code and Audit Criteria for sieve analysis of dry
powders using sieves with mesh openings from 37 micrometers and larger. Motion seconded
Motion passed. Subscriber only vote: (9 Yes –1 No–4 Abstain).
Rao Tipirneni made a motion to create a new audit criteria checklist for physical properties
evaluation. Sieve analysis would be included in the new checklist. Motion seconded Motion
Passed (27-Yes, 1-No, 2-Abstain)
A team was created to support this: Verl Wisehart (lead), Peter Bonarrigo, Deena Crossmore,
Eric Dirats, Jenny McKeegan, and Olivier Molinas.
ACTION ITEM: Verl Wisehart to set up a teleconference to start the new checklist (physical
properties) workgroup. (Due Date: 31-Dec-2013).
12.0
WORK SESSIONS FASTENER TEST DISCUSSION – OPEN
The major discussion point was whether to keep the AC7101/11 dependent on other checklists,
or make it a comprehensive, stand-alone checklist. No decision was made.
13.0
CHECKLIST REVISIONS – OPEN
The MTL TG discussed setting up a checklist oversight committee for checklist review prior to
ballot. This group would ensure that checklists are well integrated, flow like an audit, ensure
consistent and precise language usage and ensure language is suitable for laboratories with
minimal aerospace experience and non-native English speakers. Members of the initial team are
Tim Myers, Bryan Hall, and Kay Fisher.
14.0
MTL VISION – OPEN
Attendees were separated into seven groups comprised of Suppliers and Subscribers to
complete an Activity Worksheet to identify actions moving forward and roadblocks to achieving
the MTL TG vision. Identified actions and roadblocks are to be distributed prior to the London
Meeting, 2014 to the MTL TG roster.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to collect and distribute to the MTL TG roster comments regarding
incorporating the MTL vision. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2014).
15.0
HT PROPOSALS– OPEN
Issues with the MOU between the Nadcap Heat Treating (HT) and MTL Task Groups were
discussed.
The first issue was Laboratory Furnaces. The MOU only concerns the case where the supplier
has both an MTL accreditation to AC7101/9 for Materials Testing Laboratories - Specimen Heat
Treating and a HT accreditation to AC7102 for Heat Treating. The first option is for MTL auditors
to continue to audit suppliers that have Laboratory Furnaces and both HT and MTL
accreditations. If the supplier uses Load Thermocouples, they will continue to utilize the audit
criteria in AC7101/9. If the supplier does NOT use Load Thermocouples, the auditor will use the
Pyrometry Section 10 from AC 7102 for the performance of the audit of the pyrometry
requirements for Laboratory Furnaces. The HT Task Group is separating out the Section 10,
Pyrometry, into a standalone checklist (AC7102/8) in the near future.
The second option is for the HT Task Group to add Laboratory Furnaces as a separate scope of
HT accreditation. This will require expansion of the current criteria for auditing of Laboratory
Furnaces. Then the MTL auditor will only verify that the supplier has a HT accreditation for
Laboratory Furnaces, and accept this accreditation.
Steve Keck made a motion to adopt Option 1 for the HT and MTL Task Groups and to move
forward with an MOU. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Majority-Yes, 1-No)
ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to coordinate the MTL/HT MOU with the release of AC7102/8 Pyrometry
Checklist. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2014)
The second issue is regarding Hardness Testing. This only concerns the case where the supplier
performs Hardness Testing within their Testing Laboratory in conjunction with their Laboratory
Testing and Hardness Testing on their shop floor for acceptance of their production heat
treatment. MTL auditors will perform the Hardness Testing portion of the audit on all equipment
and testing that is performed in the Laboratory or in conjunction with Laboratory Testing in
accordance with AC7101/5. HT auditors will perform the Hardness Testing portion of the audit on
all equipment and testing that is performed on the shop floor or in conjunction with acceptance of
production product in accordance with AC7102/5.
Kevin Elston made a motion to adopt the proposal between the HT and MTL Task Groups and to
move forward with an MOU. Motion seconded. Motion Failed. Subscriber only vote: (5-Yes, 7-No,
2-Abstain)
ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to set up a teleconference between MTL and HT Subscriber members to
further discuss the need for a division of work MOU for Hardness Testing. (Due Date: 31-Jan2014).
16.0
AC7101/1TAG– OPEN
Bryan Hall presented recent AC7101/1 TAG clarification requests.
Definitions for the Retest, Replacement Test, Rounding, and the use of zero as an appropriate
calibration point were clarified and proposed for addition to the audit handbook.
17.0
CHECKLIST REVISIONS– OPEN
AC7101/1 ballot comment resolution continued along with Re-test/replacement test discussion..
See agenda item 20.0 for further discussion.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
18.0
FASTENER DISCUSSION– OPEN
Bryan Hall facilitated a break out session for the formation of a Fastener Sub-Team. Please see
section 23.0 for further details and report out.
19.0
REVIEW AGENDA CHECKLIST REVISIONS – OPEN
AC7101/3 ballot comment spread sheet was reviewed.
Volunteers were sought to help with the Excel Handbook supplement charts. These supplemental
excel charts will be used to track the origin of the checklist requirements (industry standard,
subscriber, or none) and clarify audit criteria to facilitate the development of an aerospace
standard or implementation of a subscriber requirement. Those on the team are: Tim Myers
(Lead), Verl Wisehart, Dawn Fechtel, Dave Fluke, Bryan Hall, Kevin Hineman , Steve Keck,
Christine Nesbitt, , Annette O’Connell Amanda Rickman, Byron Skillings, Rao Tipirneni, Jeff
Viney, Gary Winters, and Frank Worpenberg.
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to set up a webex to demonstrate the use of the Excel spreadsheet
developed to track the origin of the checklist requirements (industry standard, subscriber, or
none) and clarify audit criteria to facilitate the development of an aerospace standard or
implementation of a subscriber requirement. to the volunteers. (DUE DATE: 5-Non-2013)
Ballot comments for AC7101/1 Section 12 and definitions were addressed.
Revised definitions were proposed for replacement test and retest:
REPLACEMENT TEST: a repeat of a test by the same laboratory, using the same method,
equipment (of equivalent accuracy or better) and sample (same material, lot/heat, location,
orientation as the original or on the original specimen if not destroyed). REPLACEMENT TESTS
are performed in response to INVALID TEST RESULTS.
RETEST: A repeat of a TEST by the same laboratory, using the same method, equipment (of
equivalent accuracy or better), and sample (same material, lot/heat, location, orientation as the
original or on the original specimen if not destroyed). RETEST is performed in response to nonconforming test results.
These revised definitions were accepted.
The Task Group agreed to leave the current definition of invalid test.
20.0
AC7101/2 REVISION – OPEN
Progress to date on the revision of AC7101/2 was reported out to the Task Group by Verl
Wisehart. The Sub-Team will continue to work on the checklist through email. The estimated
completion date is the end of December 2013.
21.0
CHECKLIST REVISIONS/NTGOP-001 APPENDIX MTL BALLOT RESOLUTION – OPEN
The Task Group reviewed comments pertaining to section 14 of NTGOP-001 APP. MTL. This
section describes the process for approving Proficiency Testing (PT) Providers. This is also found
in AC7101/1 section 15.
Byron Skillings made a motion to state that if no commercial PTP solution exists, the requirement
is not applicable.” Motion withdrawn.
Muriel Malhomme made a motion to postpone indefinitely the previous motion. (Yes-5, No-21).
Motion Failed.
Called for a vote. Vote to end discussion (> 2/3 vote) Passed.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
Corwyn Berger proposed to amend Byron’s motion to read “No NCRs will be written against PTPs
that are not commercially available until the February 2014 meeting.” Motion withdrawn.
Bryan Hall made a motion to state that “If no PTP solution approved by MTL exists, the
requirement is not applicable.” Motion seconded. (Yes-many, No-1). Motion passed.
George Doviak made a motion to adopt language similar to CT’s AC7109/5, “NA applies when
there are no customer requirements for validation of tests,” for MTL’s PT and RR requirements.
Move the existing PT and RR criteria to supplemental sheets.
Frank Lennert made a motion to postpone George’s motion indefinitely. Motion seconded. (Yes12, No-2, Abstain-1). Motion Passed.
22.0
AC7101/1 REVISION – OPEN
AC7101/1 ballot comments were resolved
23.0
FASTENER DISCUSSION – OPEN
AC7101/11 Revision Group will start meeting Wednesdays at 10 a.m. EST starting 13-Nov-2013.
The first step for the team will be to decide the approach to either keep the /11 dependent on
other checklists or make it a comprehensive, stand-alone checklist. All AC7101/11 accredited
Suppliers will be invited to have representation in the meetings. The current group is :Bryan Hall
(lead), Corwyn Berger, Greg Bermel, Philipe Brailly, Ben Clark, Doug Deaton, Kevin Elston,
Elizabeth Galabova, Richard Gasset, Scott Gates, Rao Tipirneni, Boyro Kirilou, Rick Kuhns,
Sylvie Lefebure, Frank Lennert, Bob Olevson, Lee Parsley, James Rauckhorst, Lindsey Schurle,
Derek Sicotte, Jeffrey Simmons, Alekna Siobhan, Jeffry Smith, and Howard Spader
24.0
REVIEW AGENDA – OPEN
Reviewed the agenda for the balance of the meeting day.
25.0
AVAILABILITY OF PTP SOURCES / NTGOP-001 APPENDIX MTL: REVIEW PT APPROVAL
PROCESS – OPEN
The Task Group reviewed comments pertaining to section 14 of NTGOP-001 APP. MTL. This
section describes the process for approving Proficiency Testing (PT) Providers.
Bryan Hall made a motion that if the PT provider has ISO 17043 accreditation by an ILAC source,
there are no additional approvals required. Motion seconded. Motion Passed.
Muriel Malhomme made a motion to create a team to identify the test codes and materials that
have problems with PT completion. Motion seconded. Motion Passed.
Bryan amended Muriel’s motion to add creation of a list of test codes and sources. Motion
seconded. Motion Passed.
A team was assembeled to carry out these items. Team Members (PT TAG) are: Muriel
Malhomme (Chair), Corwyn Berger, Lyron Crumes, Doug Deaton, Dave Fluke, Bryan Hall, Steve
Keck, Olivier Molinas, Christine Nesbitt, Annette O’Connell, Bob Olevson, Christian
Schwaminger, Derek Sicotte, Byron Skillings, and Jeffry Smith.
Action item: Muriel Malhomme to set up teleconference to start the PT TAG. (Due Date: 15-Nov2013)
26.0
NTGOP-001 APP MTL: REVIEW PT APPROVAL PROCESS – OPEN
This item was addressed as part of agenda item 25.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
27.0
AC7101/1 REVIEW – OPEN
AC7101/1 ballot comments were resolved
28.0
AD-HOC TG WORK – OPEN
Due to reduced Task Group particapants, the group reviewed the information from AC7101/2
which is considered redundant with the criteria of AC7101/1. This will be thoroughly reviewed
during the AC7101/2 revision process.
29.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT – OPEN
Bryan Hall presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For
complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.
30.0
REVIEW/UPDATE RAIL – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
For specific details, please see the current MTL Task Group Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
31.0
NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
There was no new business outside of agenda items already included.
32.0
LONDON AGENDA – OPEN
Open discussions established the following items to be included in the February Agenda.
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Continue definition of MTL checklist revision process
Continue revision for NOP compliance
Review ballot comments or pre-ballot review: /2 and /5 checklist
TAG activity summary and challenges
Report on new standard creation activity
Review progress of NOP 002 compliance
Encourage fastener test and manufacturers to attend and dedicate agenda time for working
sessions on AC7101/11
Review Subscriber responsibilities
Daily Technical presentation
The meeting will be four (4) days (Monday – Thursday).
33.0
MTL PROGRAM STATUS – OPEN
Kevin Wetzel presented a review of the health of the MTL Task Group via the Dashboard in
eAuditNet. The NMC metrics were reviewed by the Task Group. No action is required.
34.0
REPORT OUTPUT OF PLANNING AND OPS MEETING – OPEN
The agenda of the Planning and Ops meeting was reviewed.
There was no further discussion. For complete details, see the Planning and Ops meeting
minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.
MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
35.0
NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN
Doug Reed of Special Metals was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. There were no
objections. Doug Reed is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.
Steve Keck of Carpenter Technology Corporation was proposed as an Alternate Supplier Voting
Member. There were no objections. Steve Keck is accepted as an Alternate Supplier Voting
Member.
36.0
AD-HOC TASK GROUP WORK – OPEN
No new discussions were held due to reduced attendance.
ADJOURNMENT – 24-Oct-2013 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Amanda Rickman (Amanda.Rickman@raytheon.com)
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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES* X NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
NTGOP-001 APP. MTL
Kevin Wetzel
Due date:
January 31, 2013