Performance issues Parameter Extreme Operation conditions Accuracy of individual measurement Online: TGC Comments MDT Comments RPC Comments MMGAS Total rate 14 KHz/cm2, Charged particles : 300 Hz cm^2 (from CSC measurement 10Hz/cm^2 at 3*10^33) Photons: Neutrons3.105 cm2/s ? Using ToT ~100-150 um ? <100 um for 20o Layer to L. alignment?? Can be compliment ary to MDT Online track segment accuracy <1 mrad <60 um Numbers depends on the angle??? 1mrad ~60 um? Timing RMS 7ns 97% in 25 ns ~50 ns 100% (3BX) for offline ~3ns from offline t0 100% in 1 BX ~100 ns ~5 ns Offline: Dead time Comments ~160 um at Max occupancy Is it enough to provide 60 um accuracy~ If the same approach used as proposed for MDT upgrade ~300 um online with 2 mm strip pitch Estimated No data? ~ 1 mrad ~150 um (standalone) ~300 um <150 um ~1 mrad 60 um RMS ~1 ns with mean timer. 100% 3BX sliding window <100ns/ -From Strip pitch -From micro TPC fit to the strip number and the time With the 300 it is difficult to get to 60 ????? Off line 1 BX in average particle/chip Dead time and efficiency drop induced by sparks Not an issue Spark is not an issue Spark is not an issue. Minimum number of measurements fro trigger 6 =2*3(out of 4) Redundancy at high rate? Using Pads, max pad occupancy ~2% Is it enough For hit efficiency of 80%? Can be complimented by MDT trigger logic ? 4=2*2(out of 3) 100-1% Redundancy ? Can be complimentary to the other trigger systems Can be complimented by MDT trigger logic Decision is based only on MMG detectors Failures 1. Sparking will lead to an exclusion one plane. 2. One link-one plane Sparking leads to exclusion of 2(?) layers. Very unlike event. Expected fake rate No study yet No study yet 1. Sparks not a problem. Mainly mechanical defects (1 layer) 2. One link-one tower (redundancy?) No study yet 1. Sparking will lead to an exclusion one plane. 2. One link-one planeredunducy? No study Fake rate can yet be emulated on the basis this System Redundancy Generally the same but depends on the area affected by the voltage drop 6 out of 8 Is it enough for occupancy chip occupancy (22%) at mzx. rate.? Redundancy ? year data by overlap method Maximum Occupancy Pad ~2% Strips in the inner region ~0.6% Efficiency at maximum rate per layer. 85%? -3% (25ns) -1% (dead) = 81% Dead area 1% Rate for inner Pads 700 KHz Rate for inner strips 250 KHz Seems to be confirmed by latest results ~23% Between chambers? ~3% Rate 1 MHz/tube Bandwidth? ? 70% 400 um tube walls Between chambers ? Rate 50*2cm strip is ~1.4 MHz Occupacy 3.5% 99% Voltage drop affects efficiency will require additional 200V of operating voltage 1% Area affected Not an issue by signal/spark Non an issue Not an issue Critical rate of sparks Not an issue Not an issue Not an issue 0.5% occupancy for 5ns ~22% per chip per BX Seems OK since margin is > 1000V ~77% per plane (22% occupancy + 1% pillar+…) can be compensated adding more a few more plans in the high occupancy region if needed. Between chambers? 1% Area affected by spark ~ few cm is dead for 100 us? >1000 Hz/cm2 ?? 3.2*50 cm2*14kHz*10 0 ns (drift) Between chambers? At 3 Hz/strip inefficiency 0.003%!? Seems large safety margin Experience Large chambers, Large system Large chambers, Large system Trigger demonstration Main performance concern Advanced but still under development Trigger efficiency ???? Single layer efficiency at high rate 81% at high rate? (85% rate effect, 97% in 25ns, 1% dead area + area between chambers in one layer???) Beginning of developments 1. Is occupancy an issue? (for 8 tubes only 1-2 have background hits) - Seems no participial problem for 7*1035 But is it enough to provide <60um accuracy standalone (160um/sqrt8= 60 um if everything is OK) 2. Is Bandwidth enough for reading out the inner ring with tubes running at >1 MHz??? Margin? Large chambers, Large system, But significant change (cathode material, gap) Beginning of developments Not yet in the stage of operating large scale prototype Beginning of developments 1. Can operate without mean timer? Very good time resolution but not clear if it is really needed? 1. Trigger efficeincy: at high rate 77% sigle pane efficeny (issues -> number of layers, Fake rates? Processing time? Bandwidth) 2. Space resolution for inclined tracks using uTPC concept (still not demonstrated) but assuming 160 um then same concern as for the MDT 2. Is 300 um is achievable at the trigger level? The efficiency at 10 KHz/cm^2 has not been measured and it is not clear that the detector can stand this very high rate 3. Is number of layers sufficient? Can not compliment MDT space point accuracy 4. What fraction of the detector is read out??? Bandwidth issues???