HEBERLE-PANIZZA-PANIZZON Dear Greg It is always exciting for me when I find a new lead and this last month has been exceptional. I don’t really know where to start, but here goes. I was born in Geelong Victoria. My father was born to Gaetano Panizzon (Italian) who migrated to Australia in the 1920. He came to work in the Qld cane fields and then went back to Italy to collect his wife and two girls. My father was born in 1934 in Geelong. I started to research the name Herbele because it has become linked to my Panizzon Tree. You are wondering why….. well I was also. I have been to Schio, Vicenza in the far north of Italy researching my Panizzon family tree and since then have made many vital contacts. A man by the name of Claudio Bertoldo (Bertoldo is my great grandmother’s maiden name) helped me to recently obtain the family tree for Panizzon dating back to the 1300’s. Wow I was just so grateful and amazed that I know so much now. Guess what the name was born due to the migration of Herbert Heberle originally thought to be from Jutland (Finland). The tree is quite big but go to the top and you will see the name. I have also provided you with a word doc. This is made up of internet finds and the wording of some emails forwarded to me by a Panizzon relative. His English is only fair, but I am grateful that he has provided me with this information at all. Please find a pdf of my huge Tree which has been an epic to try to obtain. I would be very happy to hear from you. Regards Sylvia Panizzon-Jones – Gold Coast Australia sisadsl@technet2000.com.au Dictionary said “Panno means cloth or plural clothes” - “Pane” is bread) (Translation #1) Dear cousins from far and close Australia, I want to tell you a story. Far back in the 1300’s, some families came from faraway Germany, with Cimbra origins. They emigrated to search for some lands to dig (plant) for harvest. The head of one of these families was Henry Heberle, who settled at the foot of Monte di Malo, where he found a nice place to live, it was also safe thanks to the woods and plants. Here his children started business, making pieces of cloths (making cloths or clothes) and they started to make good money. During that time their last name started to change into Panno (Panno/cloth) and it later became Panizza. Their business brought change and wealth. ON was added to their last name as "on" was given to a surname when wealth was achieved. The name "Panizzon"was born. In this story I have changed some words, because I did not keep the copy I have sent you last time, so this is a summary of last time, even better, big kisses Enrico Panizzon from Schio (changed slightly by Sylvia to clarify) Cari cugini della lontana ma anche vicina Australia , vi voglio raccontare una storia. Nel lontano 1300 ,alcune famiglie della lontana Germania ma di origine Cimbra emigrarono in cerca di terre da coltivare e tranquille,una di queste famiglie ,come capo famiglia era un certo Henry Heberle,fermatosi alle pendici di Monte di Malo trovo un posto tranquillo e anche difeso dalle vegetazioni, decise di fermarsi .Qui ebbe figli che iniziarono una loro attività, la lavorazione di pezze (panni), e cominciarono ad avere un certo gruzzoletto (soldi).In quel tempo il loro cognome inizio a cambiare perche la gente li chiamarono Pani che poi diventò Panizza,il commercio portò oltre ai soldi anche un cambiamento nel loro cognome,con la desinazione "on " finale ,che in quel tempo veniva dato a chi possedeva ricchezza,cosi il loro cognome diventò "PANIZZON". In questa storia ho cambiato alcune parole, perchè non avevo tenuto la copia che vi ho mandato ma e un riassunto di quello della volta scorsa forse anche meglio. vi saluto bacioni Enrico Translated by Riccardo Bruno (Translation #2) Dear cousins of distant but also neighboring Australia, I want to tell a story. As far back as 1300, some families of Germany but of origin far Cimbrian emigrated in search of land to cultivate and quiet, one of these families, as head of household was a certain Henry Heberle, stood at the foot of Monte di Malo, find a quiet spot and also defended by vegetations, decided to stop. Here he had children who began their activities, the processing of items (clothes), and began to have some splash the cash (money). At that time their surnames beginning to change because the people called them Breads that they later became Panizza, trade brought in addition to money even a change in their surname, with the device "on", which at that time was given to anyone who had wealth, so their surname became "PANIZZON". Italy (Some facts obtained from the internet about the Cimbra) There exist smaller, unique populations of Germans who arrived so long ago that their dialect retains many archaic features heard nowhere else: the Cimbrians (Zimbern), though celebrated since their discovery, are relatively few in number and concentrated in various communities in the Carnic Alps, north of Verona, and especially in the Sugana valley (it:Valsugana or Suganertal) on the high plateau northwest of Vicenza in the Veneto Region. YES VENETO WHICH IS SCHIO the Walser, who originated in the Swiss Wallis, live in the provinces of Aostatal, Vercelli, and Verbano-CusioOssola the Mócheno live in the Fersina Valley (it:Valle dei Mocheni) The Cimbri were a tribe from Northern Europe, who, together with the Teutones and the Ambrones threatened the Roman Republic in the late 2nd century BC. The Cimbri were probably Germanic, though some believe them to be of Celtic origin. The ancient sources located their original home in Jutland, in present-day Denmark, which was referred to as the Cimbrian peninsula throughout antiquity (Greek: Κιμβρικὴ Χερσόνησος / Kimbrikē Chersonēsos).[1] The three neighbors began their career in Roman history as an alliance determined to emigrate to the lands of the south. A Roman source reports that "The Cimbri, Teutones and Tigurini, fugitives from the extreme parts of Gaul, since the Ocean had inundated their territories, began to seek new settlement throughout the world."[3] The Zuider Zee region was suffering from catastrophic salt-water flooding; this section of seacoast had been barely above sea level during the BCE period of human history, but was now in the process of sinking below it. Descendants According to Julius Caesar, the Belgian tribe of the Atuatuci "was descended from the Cimbri and Teutoni, who, upon their march into our province and Italy, set down such of their stock and stuff as they could not drive or carry with them on the near (i.e. west) side of the Rhine, and left six thousand men of their company there with as guard and garrison" (Gall. 2.29, trans. Edwards). They founded the city of Atuatuca in the land of the Belgic Eburones, whom they dominated. Thus Ambiorix king of the Eburones paid tribute and gave his son and nephew as hostages to the Atuatuci (Gall. 6.27). In the first century AD, the Eburones were replaced or absorbed by the Germanic Tungri, and the city was known as Atuatuca Tungrorum, i.e. the modern city of Tongeren. The population of modern-day Himmerland claims to be the heirs of the ancient Cimbri. The adventures of the Cimbri are described by the Danish nobel-prize-winning author, Johannes V. Jensen, himself born in Himmerland, in the novel Cimbrernes Tog (1922), A German ethnic minority have settled in the mountains between Vicenza, Verona and Trento in Italy (also known as Seven Communities) is also called the Cimbri For hundreds of years this isolated population consisting now of 4.400 inhabitants, has claimed to be the direct descendant of the Cimbri retreating in this area after the Roman aftermath. However it was more probably imported by Bavarian settlers in the Middle Ages. Most linguists remains committed to the hypothesis of medieval (11th to 12th century) immigration, to explain the presence of small German-speaking communities in the north of Italy.[30] Some genetic studies seem to prove a Celtic descendence of most inhabitants in the region, but not Germanic in fact, [31] that is reinforced by the Gaulish toponyms (f.e. Asiago is clearly the same place-name as the numerous Azay, Aisy, Azé, Ezy in France, all from *Asiacum < Gaulish *Asiākon). The Cimbrian origin is a myth that was popularized by the humanists in the 14th century. On one occasion in 1709, for instance, Frederick IV of Denmark, also paid them a visit and he was greeted as their King. The population which kept its independence during the Venice Republic was later severely hit by World War I. As a result, many Cimbri has left the mountain region and dispersed around the world, for places such as the Rio Grande do Sul state in Southern Brazil. 11.6.2012 Have you been able to open the tree I sent? The person who prepared the tree in Italy has just put the name Heberle next to Enrico Panizzon back in the 1300’s at the far top. This would seem to be the time when the name changed. As I said this is all the information to hand at the present time. I do not have names, dates etc. This passage is the only clue thus far. (Monte di Malo is a small village near Schio in the north or Italy). Far back in the 1300’s, some families came from faraway Germany, with Cimbra origins. They emigrated to search for some lands to dig (plant) for harvest. The head of one of these families was Henry Heberle, who settled at the foot of Monte di Malo, where he found a nice place to live, it was also safe thanks to the woods and plants. (the word document explains why the name changed fm Heberle to Panizzon). Sorry I am unable to give you more. Sylvia Thanks Silvia The PDF I received covers page 1 only of tne family tree. Its the pedigree sheet for Spartaco Panizzon, born 1893 Italy, died Geelong 1961 and 10 of his ancestors. When you create PDFs, they are generally prepared only for 1 page, not the whole document/family tree. Would you be able to find a page/pages with Heberle on it, and get a PDF for that page/pages ? Alternatively could you look at your PDF/PDFs which I presume cover the complete family tree and list for me the names and details (dates of birth, dates of death) for Heberle and their wives. I gather that Henry Heberle became Enrico Panizza/Panizzon. Do you have a date of birth, place of birth, date of death, place of death for Enrico Panizzon/Henry Heberle and his wife ? You also mention a Herbert Heberle. Was he was a son of Henry Heberle, do you have any birth and death details for him and his wife, or is this an error, did you mean Henry Heberle ? Regards Greg Heberle 14.6.2012