WHERE YOUNG EARTH
CREATIONISM GETS THE
BIBLE WRONG
Rich Deem
Paradoxes Class December 1, 2013
YEC Dogma
24-hour days
Flood geology
No plant death
vs.
Holy Bible
“And we must as God’s people
stand against the compromise of
reinterpreting Genesis to fit in
evolution and millions of years,
which undermines biblical
authority.”
Ken Ham, Answers In Genesis
Ken Ham. Assemblies of God Journal Takes a Dogmatic Position Against Those Who Insist on a Literal Genesis. 9/22/2012.
It is the avowed “Bible believers”
that are leading their followers
down a broad road of compromise
with philosophical amalgams like
“The Progressive Creation
Theory” or “The Framework
Hypothesis.”
Henry Morris III, Institute for Creation Research
Henry Morris III. 2001. The Dangers Of Compromise. Acts & Facts. 30 (7).
JESUS OF THE PHARISEES:
“Thus you nullify the word of God by your
tradition that you have handed down. And you do
many things like that.” (Mark 7:13)
DEATH BEFORE THE FALL
Was there no death of any kind before the fall of
Adam and Eve?
DEATH THROUGH SIN
• Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the
world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men,
because all sinned
• 1Co 15:21 For since death came through a
man, the resurrection of the dead comes also
through a man.
• 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ
all will be made alive.
CARNIVORES
CARNIVORES ATE PLANTS?
• Genesis 1:29-30: Then God said, “Behold, I have
given you every plant yielding seed that is on the
surface of all the earth, and every tree which has
fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30)
and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of
the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth
which has life, I have given every green plant for
food”; and it was so.
• Genesis 1: 29-30 command given to Adam and Eve
• Genesis 9:3 command to allow meat eating given to
humans, not animals
CREATION OF CARNIVORES
Genesis 1:24-25 Then God said, “Let the earth bring
forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and
creeping things and beasts of the earth after their
kind”; and it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the
earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind,
and everything that creeps on the ground after its
kind; and God saw that it was good.
CARNIVORES
Herbivore
Carnivore
Exodus 23:11
Genesis 37:20
Genesis 37:33
Exodus 23:29
Leviticus 25:7
Leviticus 11:27
Leviticus 26:6
Leviticus 26:22
Numbers 35:3
Deuteronomy 7:22 1 Samuel 17:46
2 Samuel 21:10
Isaiah 40:16
Job 5:22-23
Job 38:39
Psalm 74:19
Job 37:8
Psalm 79:2
‫חיה‬
Psalm 104:20
Isaiah 43:20
Jeremiah 12:9
Ezekiel 5:17
Ezekiel 14:15
Ezekiel 14:21
Ezekiel 29:5
Ezekiel 32:4
Ezekiel 33:27
Ezekiel 34:5
Ezekiel 34:8
Ezekiel 34:25
Ezekiel 34:28
Ezekiel 39:4
Ezekiel 39:17
Hosea 2:12
Hosea 13:8
Isaiah 35:9
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Animal
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Lion
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Cormorant
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Bird of prey
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fling” - referring to its diving in pursuit of prey
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Kite
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Hawk
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Vulture
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from H6536 “to break in pieces, tear”
Eagle
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Owl
H8464
Cobra
H6620
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violently, do wrongly”
“to twist” in reference to their killing of prey
Adder
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Viper
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from H7779, “to bruise, crush, gape upon, seize,
strike out, to fall upon, bruise”
poisonous snake
“fiery serpent, poisonous serpent (fiery from
burning effect of poison)”
DEATH IS EVIL?
When Christian leaders try to add millions
of years into God’s Word, then they are
making God responsible for death, disease,
thorns, carnivory, and suffering millions of
years before sin. The Bible makes it clear
such things are a result of man’s sin! Ken
Ham “The ‘Disease’ of Millions of Years” May
21, 2012.
GOD APPROVES KILLING OF
ANIMALS
• Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his
flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had
regard for Abel and for his offering; (Genesis 4:4)
• And the LORD God made garments of skin for
Adam and his wife, and clothed them. (Genesis
3:21)
• "You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with
leavened bread; nor is the fat of My feast to remain
overnight until morning. (Exodus 23:18)
GOD FEEDS CARNIVORES
• "Who prepares for the raven its nourishment, When its young
cry to God, And wander about without food?" (Job 38:41)
• "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of
the young lions, [God speaking] (Job 38:39)
• The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from
God. (Psalm 104:21)
• There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without
number, Animals both small and great... They all wait for Thee,
To give them their food in due season. (Psalm 104:25, 27)
• Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no
storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. (Luke 12:24)
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
Animals didn’t
Kill until after
The fall
Holy Bible
NO PLANT DEATH?
Whole plants didn’t die? Plants aren’t alive?
WHOLE PLANTS WERE NOT
EATEN
• Only parts of plants are eaten?
• Herbivores pull up and eat entire plants
PLANTS AREN’T ALIVE
• “The Bible never refers to plants as living.
They may ‘grow,’ or ‘flourish,’ but they do not
‘live.’ Neither do they ‘die.’ Morris, J. 1991. Are
Plants Alive? Acts & Facts. 20: (9).
• “Plants are not ‘alive’ in the biblical sense of
nephesh chayyah, only animals and man.”
Bodie Hodge. 2010. Biblically, Could Death
Have Existed before Sin? Answers in Genesis
CHAY
• You are a garden fountain, a well of flowing
[chay] water streaming down from Lebanon.
(Song of Solomon 4:15)
‫חי‬
• But when Isaac's servants dug in the valley
and found there a well of flowing [chay] water,
(Genesis 26:19)
• "The priest shall also give orders to slay the
one bird in an earthenware vessel over
running [chay] water. (Leviticus 14:5)
TREES DIE!
• Therefore no other trees by the waters are
ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their
tops above the thick foliage. No other trees
so well-watered are ever to reach such a
height; they are all destined for death, for
the earth below, among mortal men, with
those who go down to the pit. (Ezekiel
31:14)
TREES DIE!
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against me, saying, “Let us destroy the tree with its
fruit, And let us cut him off from the land of the
living, That his name be remembered no more.”
(Jeremiah 11:19)
GRASS DIES!
• For the waters of Nimrim are desolate.
Surely the grass is withered, the tender
grass died out [kâlâh], There is no green
thing. (Isaiah 15:6)
PLANTS DIE!
• “Now then let Me alone, that My anger may
burn against them and that I may destroy
[kâlâh] them...” (Exodus 32:10)
• … ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked
people, the Amalekites; make war on them
until you have wiped them out [kâlâh].’ (1
Samuel 15:18)
• “…I will send the sword after them until I have
annihilated [kâlâh] them.” (Jeremiah 9:16)
PLANT DEATH COMPARED TO
HUMAN DEATH
• Can papyrus grow tall where there is no marsh? Can reeds
thrive without water? While still growing and uncut, they wither
more quickly than grass. Such is the destiny of all who forget
God; so perishes the hope of the godless. (Job 8:11-13)
• "At least there is hope for a tree: If it is cut down, it will sprout
again, and its new shoots will not fail. Its roots may grow old in
the ground and its stump die in the soil, yet at the scent of
water it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant. But man dies
and is laid low; he breathes his last and is no more. (Job 14:710)
• A Psalm of David. Do not fret because of evildoers, Be not
envious toward wrongdoers. For they will wither quickly like
the grass And fade like the green herb. (Psalm 37:1-2)
PLANT DEATH COMPARED TO
HUMAN DEATH
• As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower
of the field, so he flourishes. When the wind
has passed over it, it is no more, And its place
acknowledges it no longer. (Psalm 103:15-16)
• …All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like
the flower of the field. The grass withers, the
flower fades, When the breath of the LORD
blows upon it; Surely the people are grass. The
grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of
our God stands forever. (Isaiah 40:6-8)
PLANT DEATH COMPARED TO
HUMAN DEATH
• "Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees;
so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down
and thrown into the fire." (Luke 3:9)
• and the rich man is to glory in his humiliation, because
like flowering grass he will pass away. For the sun rises
with a scorching wind and withers the grass; and its
flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is
destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his
pursuits will fade away. (James 1:10-11)
• For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like
the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the
flowers fall, (1 Peter 1:24)
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
Plants aren’t alive
Plants don’t die
Holy Bible
CREATION BEGAN
IN 4004 BC?
Age of the Earth According to the Bible
USSHER AND GENEALOGIES
Exactly 4,000 Years
• Chronology of Archbishop Ussher was not
just continuous genealogies
1,000 GENERATIONS = 4,000
YEARS?
• Remember His covenant forever, The word which He
commanded to a thousand generations, (1 Chronicles 16:15)
• He has remembered His covenant forever, The word which He
commanded to a thousand generations, (Psalm 105:8)
• but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love
me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:6)
• but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love
me and keep my commandments. (Deuteronomy 5:10)
• Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the
faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand
generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
(Deuteronomy 7:9)
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
Earth is 6,000
Years old
Holy Bible
24 HOUR DAYS?
CREATION DAY 3
Genesis 1:9-13 Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be
gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
(10) God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters
He called seas; and God saw that it was good. (11) Then God said,
"Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees
on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it
was so. (12) The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed
after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their
kind; and God saw that it was good. (13) There was evening and there
was morning, a third day.
CREATION DAY 3
• Formation of continents
• Creation of plants
• God, the farmer!
‫ּדׁשא‬
• Germination → growth → seeds
• God speeded up the process?
• “The earth brought forth vegetation”
CREATION DAY 6
Genesis 1:24-31 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after
their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and
it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle
after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God
saw that it was good. (26) Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image,
according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the
birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping
thing that creeps on the earth." (27) God created man in His own image, in the
image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (28) God
blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and
subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over
every living thing that moves on the earth." (29) Then God said, "Behold, I have
given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and
every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30) and to every
beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the
earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. (31)
God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was
evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
GENESIS 2
• Detailed account of day 6
• Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25)
• Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7)
• God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8)
GOD PLANTED A GARDEN
Who Planted What Was Planted
Verse
Noah
Vineyard
Genesis 9:20
Abraham
Tamarisk tree
Genesis 21:33
God
Israelites
Exodus 15:17
Israelites
All kinds of trees
Leviticus 19:23
LORD
Aloe trees
Numbers 24:6
Peoples
Vineyards and olive trees
Deuteronomy 6:11
Israelites
Asherah grove
Deuteronomy 16:21
A man
Vineyard
Deuteronomy 20:6
Israelites
Vineyard
Deuteronomy 28:30, 39
Peoples
Vineyards and olive groves Joshua 24:13
God
Israelites
2 Samuel 7:10
Israelites
Vineyard
2 Kings 19:29
God
Israelites
1 Chronicles 17:9
‫נטע‬
GENESIS 2
• Detailed account of day 6
• Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25)
• Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7)
‫ׁשמר‬
‫עבד‬
• God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8)
• God put Adam into the garden (Genesis 2:8)
• God instructed Adam to “cultivate and keep
it” (Genesis 2:15)
GENESIS 2
• God brought “all the cattle, the birds of the
sky, and every beast of the field” to Adam
to name.
‫ּפעם‬
• God put Adam to sleep, took a piece from
his side and formed Eve.
• Adam exclaimed, “Now at length”
AIG DAY 6 TIMELINE
Time
6:00–7:00
Action
God creates land animals.
7:00–8:00
8:00–9:00
9:00–11:00
God creates Adam from dust.
plants the garden and puts Adam in it.
God creates
Adam tends the garden.
11:00–3:00
Adam names the animals.
Adam sleeps, and God creates Eve from
Adam’s rib.
Adam and Eve meet, and God tells them what
they should and shouldn’t eat.
Adam gets lonely
3:00–5:00
5:00–6:00
2:59-3:00
Tim Chaffey. Contradictions: Not Enough Hours in the Day. Could the events of
Day Six have fit within 24 hours? Answers in Genesis, March 20, 2012
DAY 7
• By the seventh day God completed His work which
He had done, and He rested on the seventh day
from all His work which He had done. (Genesis 2:2)
• No “there is the evening and the morning, the 7th
day”
• “For He has thus said somewhere concerning the
seventh day, And God rested on the seventh day
from all His works”... Let us therefore be diligent to
enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following
the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:411)
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
24-hour days
Holy Bible
THE GARDEN OF EDEN
ADAM CREATED IMMORTAL?
• Both Answers in Genesis and ICR say
Adam was created immortal
• Why
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the
earth,
middle of the garden?
to fulfill the divine purpose.” Dr. Bill Greenhaw,
“Jesus
Christ:
Last
Adam.”to
AiG,
12/24/2007
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GodThe
post
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• “Adam and Eve were apparently meant to be
Adam from eating from the tree of life?
immortal” Alene D. Oestreicher, “Worldwide
Traditions of Primordial Paradise.” ICR
WHERE WAS EDEN?
• “Ultimately, we don’t know where the
Garden of Eden was located.” Ken Ham
WHERE WAS EDEN?
ASSYRIA
Euphrates R.
Tigris R.
Karun R.CUSH?
Gihon?
Wadi Al-Batin
Pishon?
HAVILA?
Eden?
WHY YEC “DON’T KNOW”
WHERE EDEN WAS?
• Flood geology posits the global flood
changed the earth’s geology
• Eden’s four rivers should not still be here if
flood geology were true
• Up to 9,000 meters of sedimentary rock
and petroleum sits under Mesopotamia
• All these deposits are up to 6 miles below
sea level!
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
Flood geology
Eden destroyed
Holy Bible
THE FLOOD
GLOBAL FLOOD?
Psalm 104:5-9 He set the earth on its
foundations; it can never be moved. (6) You
covered it with the deep as with a garment; the
waters stood above the mountains. (7) But at
your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of
your thunder they took to flight; (8) they
flowed over the mountains, they went down into
the valleys, to the place you assigned for them.
(9) You set a boundary they cannot cross; never
again will they cover the earth.
PSALM 104: CREATION OR
FLOOD?
• Thus the commencement of creation is described (Treasury of David)
• This sublime poem on the works of God in creation and providence
(Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge)
• All these are so many beautiful descriptions of the various works of God in
creation (Robert Hawker)
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Genesis,
July
28,
2009.
• Hymn in Honour of the God of the Seven Days (Keil and Delitzsch)
• The psalm was probably founded on the record of the creation in Gen. 1.
(Albert Barnes)
• The majesty and power of God manifested in the creation (Adam Clarke)
• A Psalm of David concerning the formation of the world (Septuagint)
PSALM 104: CREATION OR
FLOOD?
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Psalm 104
Creation Passages
2
He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he
stretches out the heavens like a tent.
Genesis 1:1
3
and lays the beams of His upper chambers on their
waters. He makes the clouds His chariot and rides on
the wings of the wind.
Amos 9:6, Job 38:9
4
He makes winds His messengers, flames of fire His
servants.
Job 28:25, Psalm
135:7
5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be
moved.
Psalm 102:25, Isaiah
48:13, Isaiah 51:13
6
You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the
waters stood above the mountains.
Genesis 1:2, 7,
Proverbs 8:27-28,
30:4, Job 38:9
7
But at Your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of
Your thunder they took to flight;
Genesis 1:9, 2 Peter
3:5, Psalm 24:2
8
they flowed over the mountains, they went down into
the valleys, to the place You assigned for them.
Genesis 1:10, Psalm
136:5-6
9
You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again
will they cover the earth.
Proverbs 8:29, Psalm
33:6-7, Job 38:8-11
'ERETS = PLANET EARTH?
a.
earth
• 1) whole earth (as opposed to a part), 2) earth (as opposed to heaven), 3)
earth (inhabitants)
b.
land
• 1) country, territory, 2) district, region, 3) tribal territory, 4) piece of
ground, 5) land of Canaan, Israel, 6) inhabitants of land, 7) Sheol, land
without return, (under) world, 8) city (-state)
c.
ground, surface of the earth
• 1) ground, 2) soil
d.
(in phrases)
• 1) people of the land, 2) space or distance of country (in measurements
of distance), 3) level or plain country, 4) land of the living, 5) end(s) of the
earth
e.
(almost wholly late in usage)
• 1) lands, countries
a.
often in contrast to Canaan
ERETS IN THE GENESIS
FLOOD TEXT
• Now the earth [erets] was corrupt in the sight
of God, and the earth [erets] was filled with
violence. (Genesis 6:11)
• And God looked on the earth [erets], and
behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had
corrupted their way upon the earth [erets].
(Genesis 6:12)
• I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a
sign of a covenant between Me and the earth
[erets]. (Genesis 9:13)
LOCAL FLOOD FROM GENESIS
• Gen 8:5 And the water decreased steadily until the tenth
month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the
tops of the mountains became visible.
• Gen 8:6 Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah
opened the window of the ark which he had made;
• Gen 8:7 and he sent out a raven, and it flew here and there
until the water was dried up from the earth.
• Gen8:8 Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water
was abated from the face of the land;
• Gen 8:9 but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her
foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on
the surface of all the earth. Then he put out his hand and took
her, and brought her into the ark to himself.
YOUNG EARTH DOGMA OR
BIBLE?
YEC Dogma
No death
6,000 years
24-hour days
Location of Eden
Global flood
Holy Bible