Electromechanical Relays 1 of 7 https://myelectrical.com/notes/entryid/159/electromec... HOME (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/) NOTES (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/NOTES) Login (https://myelectrical.com/login?returnurl=%2fnotes%2fentryid%2f159%2felectromechanical-relays) TOOLS (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/TOOLS) (https://myelectrical.com/) Electromechanical Relays By Steven McFadyen (/user-profile/userid/3)on April 2nd, 2012 Electromechanical relays have been the traditional backbone of electrical protection systems. While over recent years these have been replaced by microprocessor based numerical devices, there are still many older electromechanical relays in service. Contents [hide] 1. Evolution 2. Tripping Curves 1. IEC 60255 Characteristics 2. North American Characteristics 3. 4. CDG11/16 Curves 5. GEC / English Electric / Alstom /Areva 1. 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More recently static relays have been superseded by first digital relays and now Robots - Interesting Videos (https://myelectrical.com/ numerical microprocessor based devices. notes/entryid/41/robot-folds-towels) The robot folding towels post below was interesting enough at the time to post a link. Recently I’ve come across a Tripping Curves IEC 60255 Characteristics couple of other interesting videos... 110 or 230 Volts (https://myelectrical.com/notes/ entryid/22/110-or-230-volts) I've been considering a blog on the 110 or 230 Volt issue for (http://myelectrical.com/Portals/0/DNNArticle/Files/718/WLWimages/WindowsLive-Writer-Electromechanical-Relays_BFC6-IEC60255Curves_4.jpg) The IEC 60255 standard defines four standard current time characteristics – standard inverse (SI), very inverse (VI), extremely inverse (EI) and long-time inverse. Each characteristic can be calculated from: a while. While browsing the Internet I came across a great summary by Borat over at engineering... 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(http://myelectrical.com/Portals/0/DNNArticle/Files/718/WLWimages/Windows-Live- Standard Cable & Wire Sizes (https://myelectrical.com/ Writer-Electromechanical-Relays_BFC6-IEC60255_2.png) notes/entryid/166/standard-cable-wire-sizes) IEC 60228 is the International Electrotechnical where: Commission's international standard on conductors of insulated cables. Among other things, it defines a... t = tripping time in (S) I = fault (actual) secondary CT current (A) Is = relay pick-up current setting) TMS = time multiplier setting Characteristic α K Standard Inverse 0.02 0.14 Very Inverse 1.0 13.5 Extremely Inverse 2.0 80 Long-time Inverse 1.0 120 Relay characteristics are sometimes classified according to the tripping time at 10 times the setting current (i.e. [3s/10] - a standard inverse curve which will trip in 3 seconds at 10 times the current setting). Tripping times for the various relays are: Standard Inverse (SI) [3s/10] or [1.3s/10] Very Inverse (VI) [1.5s/10] Extremely Inverse (EI) [0.8s/10] Long Time Standard Earth Fault[13.3s/10] North American Characteristics (http://myelectrical.com/Portals/0/DNNArticle/Files/718/WLWimages/WindowsLive-Writer-Electromechanical-Relays_BFC6-NorthAmericanCurves_4.jpg) Current time characteristics in North America as classified as IEEE Moderately Inverse, IEEE Very Inverse, IEEE Extremely Inverse, US C08 Inverse and US CO2 Short Time Inverse. These are given by: 28/05/24, 15:04 Electromechanical Relays 3 of 7 https://myelectrical.com/notes/entryid/159/electromec... HOME (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/) NOTES (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/NOTES) TOOLS (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/TOOLS) (http://myelectrical.com/Portals/0/DNNArticle/Files/718/WLWimages/Windows-LiveWriter-Electromechanical-Relays_BFC6-NACurves_2.png) where: t = tripping time in (S) I = fault (actual) secondary CT current (A) Is = relay pick-up current setting TD = time dial setting (multiplier) Characteristic α β K IEEE Moderately Inverse 0.02 0.114 0.0515 IEEE Very Inverse 2.0 0.491 19.61 IEEE Extremely Inverse 2.0 0.1217 28.2 5.95 US CO8 Inverse 2.0 0.18 US CO2 Short Time Inverse 0.02 0.01694 0.02394 Setting Example (IEC 60255) CDG11/16 Curves If you have the 3sec relay's trip curve, you can just multiply the time with 1.3 and divide the answer with 3. That is the time for the 1.3sec relay. An 1000 Amp breaker protected by relay with Standard Inverse characteristic. The relay pick-up current value is set at 0.8, time multiplier setting is 7 and the fault current is 8000 A. What will be the tripping time? GEC / English Electric / Alstom /Areva • - from the table α = 0.02, K = 0.14 Labelling the model from left to right, using number CDG31 etc. 1=C, • - pick-up current setting = 1000 A x 2=D c=G etc.: 0.8 = 800 A • - using the IEC 60255 equations, the 1. operating quantity (C - current, D - differential, V- voltage) tripping time is: 2. basic movement (D - induction disc, M - balanced armature, T - static) 3. Application (G- general or generator, E - earth, U - definite time, F - flag, M - motor, D - directional) 4. number of units (ie CDG3x is a 3 element / unit CDG relay) (http://myelectrical.com/Portals/0/ SunBlogNuke/2/Windows-Live-Writer/ 5. characteristic (for CDG, 1= std inverse (3s), 2= long time delay, 3=very inverse (1.55s), 4=extremely inverse (0.6s), Electromechanical-Relays_E3C0/ 6=Long Time Standard Earth Fault) 6. case size (15 different cases, A=size 1 draw out, 10 terminal etc.) image001_6.png) 7. case mounting (F=flush etc.) 8. identification (identifies rating, contact arrangement etc. 2= 'metricated') 9. suffix ('5' is for 50Hz only relays, '6' for 60Hz) For a full list refer to publication MS/5100/2 from English Electric We also have an online IDMT Tripping Time calculator (http://myelectrical.com/tools/idmt- tripping-time) . The company history has changed over the last few years. English Electric became GEC and subsequently GEC-Alstom. Recently the company has now been acquired by Areva. example - CDG 34EG0022A5 is a current operated, induction disc general relay, with three extremely inverse elements and is a 50 Hz unit. Stabilising Resistors If current transformers are connected in a residual circuit, saturation of one or more of the transformers during transient events may result in large spill currents. Particularly with high impedance relays, this may cause the the relay to falsely operate. To achieve stability under these conditions, stabilising resistor|resistors are added to increase the minimum relay operating voltage. Rule of thumb for sizing of resistor: 28/05/24, 15:04 Electromechanical Relays 4 of 7 try to drop: HOME (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/) https://myelectrical.com/notes/entryid/159/electromec... 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He has a deep technical understanding of electrical engineering and is keen to share this knowledge. About the author(/user-profile/userid/3) (http://myelectricalengineering.co.uk) 28/05/24, 15:04 Electromechanical Relays 5 of 7 https://myelectrical.com/notes/entryid/159/electromec... HOME (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/) 13 Comments G NOTES (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/NOTES) 1 Login TOOLS (HTTPS://MYELECTRICAL.COM/TOOLS) Join the discussion… LOG IN WITH OR SIGN UP WITH DISQUS ? Name 1 Share FM FELIX M.S. JR. 10 years ago Best Newest Oldest − ⚑ edited This is good reference coming from a respected electrical engineer. You give good explanations about difference of settings from various international standards. 2 U ⥅ Reply 0 − ⚑ Ujjappa 6 years ago Sir/mam can you tell me what are materials used in electromechanical over current relay (CDG11) 1 G ⥅ Reply 0 − ⚑ Guest 10 years ago edited Hi I am pretty new to this but just a quick one .. doesn't the 20s time to trip seem a bit high and TMS is generally in the range between 0.025-1.5. If it was just for the purpose of explanation the TMS of 7 was chosen please ignore that part. 1 ⥅ Reply 0 > Guest Steven McFadyen Mod 10 years ago − ⚑ Thanks for the comment. The values chosen were only for demonstration. Your right that in a real situation, you would not want to fault to be there for 20 seconds.. 4 A Reply 0 ⥅ − ⚑ A Brese 6 years ago Hi Steven. When I calculate the IEC Extremely Inverse (EI) curve using the 60255 equation at 10 times pickup value (TM = 1), i get 0.8s as per your calculation. However, when I look at your timecurrent plot, I see that 10 times pickup for the EI curve comes in at 0.6s. When I look at the timecurrent curve for a CDG34 EI relay, I see it comes in at 0.6s as well... I must be doing something silly, but I was wondering if you were able to help please? Thanks in advance. 0 FB ⥅ Reply 0 − ⚑ Francois Bense Potgieter 6 years ago Hi,Steven do you perhaps have info on the English Electric VDG 11 overvoltage relay.I need the trip time formula and the time/voltage characteristics with the TD or different time multipliers . regards Francois 0 ⥅ Reply 0 > Francois Bense Potgieter Steven McFadyen Mod 6 years ago − ⚑ I've just checked and don't have a copy of the manual. Sorry. You could try the manufacturers website, under legacy devices (this worked for me a few years ago). 12 NF Neels Ferreira 6 years ago 0 Reply ⥅ − ⚑ Hi Steven, We at Mittal just want to make sure that we follow the cdg codes correct. 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