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…comfortable as you can okay? I know, know we don’t know each other
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so it can be a little uncomfortable but, hopefully you’re not too
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uncomfortable and I’m gonna sit here and, do you know what this is? No?
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It’s a walkie-talkie. So basically I’m just gonna have it in my ear and I’m
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gonna set it to the side, hopefully it’s not distracting but in case I need to
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get a hold of anyone while we’re in here, I can just hit the button and talk to
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someone, so, let’s see if it stays in my ear this time it hasn’t been stayin’ in
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my ear lately. Alright, how old are babe?
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Juvenile:
Nine.
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Officer:
Nine? When’s your birthday?
Juvenile:
July 5th.
Officer:
Oh, ooh it’s comin’ up huh? So you’re kind of like nine and a half now. So
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today, do you know what day it is today? So it is the, January, Wednesday
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January 16th, and our clock is broken still so, it’s 2:26 and so, you said you
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went to school today? How was that?
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Juvenile:
Good.
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Officer:
Yeah? What do you like about school?
Juvenile:
Art.
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Art? Well tell me about that.
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Juvenile:
We like could do, like, a lot of craft, coloring…
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Yeah?
Juvenile:
…when we’re done with our things.
Officer:
Nice.
Juvenile:
But today was art, but my mom picked me up early ‘cause I had to come
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school do, do you have rules at school?
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Yeah. Okay, and then you had to go in the rain. Alright well when you’re at
Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Yeah? What’s one of the rules at school?
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Juvenile:
Um, it’s… be safe, respectful and responsible.
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Officer:
Okay, that’s a good rule, right? So I have some rules in here—a little
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different, um, they’re more rules ‘cause we’re gonna be talking a lot and
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when we’re talking um, I want you to feel comfortable to interrupt me if, if
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uh, if I’m talkin’ and somethin’s not quite right. Um, some of the rules that
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I have are, when we’re—when I’m talking to you and I ask a question, if
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you don’t understand what I’m saying, can you just interrupt me and say ‘I
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don’t understand what you’re saying,’ and I’ll, I’ll ask it in a different way.
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Okay. And then, um, sometimes I’ll ask a question and uh, if you don’t
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know the answer can you just tell me, ‘I-I don’t know,’? ‘Cause that’s okay
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you don’t have to know everything in here alright? So if I asked you,
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‘what’s my dog’s name?’ what would you say?
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I don’t know.
Officer:
That’s right, ‘cause we’ve never met before, you don’t even know if I have
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a dog. What if I said, ‘Faith what’s your dog’s name?’
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I don’t have a dog.
Officer:
You don’t have a dog. But you know the answer to that right? Okay so I
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you can tell me you don’t remember and that’s okay, okay? Nothing you
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say in here is gonna upset me, um, or make me mad at you at all okay? Um,
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I do sometimes make mistakes. Are you ever wrong?
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Juvenile:
Sometimes.
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Officer:
Yeah, we all are right? So if I say something, ‘cause sometimes I’ll repeat
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what you say. If I say something that’s wrong, you can say ‘Carrie you’re
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wrong,’ okay? So if I said, ‘Faith you’re a hundred years old,’ what would
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you say?
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Juvenile:
No I’m not.
Officer:
You’re not ‘cause you just told me you were nine, right?
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Yeah.
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Alright and so, I don’t know what’s happened to you and I don’t have the
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answers to the questions that I’m gonna ask, so um, it’s very important that
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you tell me the truth. What does it mean to you to tell the truth?
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Um. I don’t know.
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Okay, see you already followed the rules. Okay, so um, now when you’re at
school and if you break a rule, what happens?
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Juvenile:
Um, you could get sent to the office or get a citation.
Officer:
Oh okay, and is breaking a rule a good or a bad thing?
Juvenile:
A bad.
Officer:
And why is it bad?
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Juvenile:
Because, I don’t know anymore.
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Officer:
Okay, alright um, and so uh, what about, what does it mean to tell a lie?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay, Faith you’re doing really good and you’re doing exactly what I asked
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you, so, um, t—in here we’re gonna talk about things that really happened,
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and that are real. So if I were to tell you that that bird on the wall is real,
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what would you say?
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Juvenile:
It’s not real.
Officer:
It isn’t right? It’s just a painting on the wall, right? And if I were to say,
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Faith, this, inside here, is a box full of color crayons, what would you say?
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Um…
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Officer:
Are these color crayons?
Juvenile:
Um… yeah.
Officer:
Yeah? Okay. You’ll have to say it out loud so that I make sure I hear you
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right okay? So we’re just gonna talk about things that are real and things
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that happened, okay? Um and so you said your birthday’s in July, um, what
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Juvenile:
I like going to places and get gifts.
Officer:
Yeah? Okay and you had told me earlier that you like art. What other things
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Juvenile:
Play with slime.
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Officer:
Slime?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Oh. That’s fun. Do you like the, the green slime? Isn’t there a new green
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slime that they just came out with?
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Juvenile:
The… I have butter slime.
Officer:
Butter slime? Tell me about that.
Juvenile:
Uh, I got it…
Officer:
Yeah?
Juvenile:
…when we went somewhere.
Officer:
Yeah? Nice. Okay, um, tell me somethings you don’t like.
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Juvenile:
Um, cleaning up my room.
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Officer:
Who likes to do that, right? What else do you not like to do?
Juvenile:
Homework.
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Officer:
Yeah? Well, uh, tell me what you don’t like about homework.
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Juvenile:
I don’t like math.
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Yeah? What part of math?
Juvenile:
Like, word problems.
Officer:
Okay. Alright, well, Faith do you know why you’re here to talk to me
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today? No? Okay, so I heard that your mom’s concerned of something that
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may have happened to you. Uh, tell me about that.
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Juvenile:
So one of my cousins touched my private spot.
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Okay.
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Juvenile:
And he poked it inside.
Officer:
Okay.
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Juvenile:
And my butt too.
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Officer:
Okay, and um, before I go uh, I don’t wanna interrupt you when you’re
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talking so you may see me writtin’ things down, because everything you
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say is very important to me and I wanna make sure that I get it all okay? So
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lets talk about your cousin: tell me about your cousin.
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Juvenile:
Uh, he’s like, I think he’s twenty-two years old and he’s nice.
Officer:
Yeah?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
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Officer:
Okay, what’s his name?
Juvenile:
Derran.
Officer:
Derran? Okay. And um, and if I showed you a picture, can you tell me who
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it is? Can you tell me who that is?
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Juvenile:
Yeah that’s him.
Officer:
That’s him? Okay so I know we’re talkin’ about the right person. Okay, so
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that’s your cousin and so um, so the stuff you just told me, how ‘bout you
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start at the very beginning and tell me everything that happened.
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Juvenile:
So he touched my private spot and then he poked it inside and then he
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touched my butt too.
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Officer:
Okay.
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Juvenile:
He just touched my private spot more than, no, multiple times and poked
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me one time.
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Okay. And um, you said that—that he touched your privates sp-spot inside
multiple times?
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Tell me about the first time that it happened.
Juvenile:
Uh he was going to pick up my other cousin and my brother.
Officer:
Okay and um, when you say he was gonna pick them up, were you in a car?
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Juvenile:
In a car.
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Officer:
Okay and so, um, uh, tell me about his car.
Juvenile:
Um, it’s silver…
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Uh-huh.
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…and…
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Anything else that you can remember about it?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Okay, so you said that um, were you inside the car?
Juvenile:
Inside.
Officer:
Okay so you guys were inside the car, um, were you stopped or were you
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driving?
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Juvenile:
Stopped.
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Officer:
Okay, so you were stopped, tell me about that.
Juvenile:
So parks like by houses?
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Officer:
Uh-huh.
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Juvenile:
Around the corner, and then he grabs me then, then touches my private
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sport.
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Officer:
Okay and is anyone else in the car?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Okay, and so when you said by the corner, uh, do you know where you’re
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Juvenile:
At a school.
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Officer:
At a school? And is it close to your house? Or…
Juvenile:
Close to the house I think.
Officer:
Okay. And, so you’re in the car and you’re stopped and, uh, what happens
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Juvenile:
Then he grabs me, then touches my private spot.
Officer:
Okay, and you said ‘grabs me,’ what do you, what do you mean by that?
Juvenile:
Like, I don’t know how to explain it.
Officer:
Okay, um let’s try, let—let’s, let me ask it in a different way. What part of
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your body does he grab you with?
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Juvenile:
I think my back?
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Officer:
Okay, and what is, what part of his body does he grab you with?
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Juvenile:
His hands.
Officer:
His hands, so his hands and you said you think your back? Now, um, since
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you’re stopped, uh, where is he sitting in the car?
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Juvenile:
He sits in the front then he comes out the back.
Officer:
Okay, and where are you in the car?
Juvenile:
At the back.
Officer:
Okay, so um, you told me that he comes into the back and this is why
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you’re stopped at the school?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Okay and so, you’re both in the backseat, and then you said he touches your
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private spot? Do you have a special name for your private spot?
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Juvenile:
I don’t.
Officer:
No? Like your mom doesn’t call it by a name or when you talk about it?
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And so, um, with your hand can you just point to it? You don’t have to
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touch, but just point in the area where your private spot is so I make sure
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that I, I know what you’re talking about? Down there? Okay. And um, and
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so he gets in the backseat, and you said he touches your private spot, what
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Juvenile:
Then um, the school’s over then he hurries up and goes at the front.
Officer:
Okay, and so um, when you pointed to your private spot, what does your
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private spot do?
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Juvenile:
Like when he pokes it, it hurt.
Officer:
Yeah?
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Juvenile:
But it doesn’t hurt when he touches it.
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Officer:
Okay, and so when you say poke, what do you mean by that?
Juvenile:
Like he pokes it.
Officer:
And what, what is he poking it with?
Juvenile:
His finger.
Officer:
Okay, so he has his finger and he pokes you in your private. Now what
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other things, besides this, what other things does your private do?
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Juvenile:
Um, I don’t know.
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Officer:
Um, what, what uh, is your, let me think about it in a different way. Um. If
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you were at home, and um, you were standing there, what-what would you,
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what would your private be doing?
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Juvenile:
It would sometimes like, burn.
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Officer:
It would burn? Okay, and that was before or after this happened?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay, okay. Alright and so um, so you’re in the backseat and you said he
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poked you in your private spot, and um, would he say anything to you?
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Juvenile:
He would say that, if you don’t come you would um, like one of my
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cousins.
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Officer:
Tell me that again?
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Juvenile:
He would say, if you don’t come, you uh, you like one of my, I likes, uh,
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another cousin.
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Officer:
Oh, okay, and how did that make you feel?
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Juvenile:
Like I, like, didn’t um… He was making fun of me.
Officer:
He was making fun of you? Okay. That’s not very nice huh? Okay. And so,
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um, uh, and what do you think he means when he says that? When he says,
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‘if you don’t come,’?
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Juvenile:
Um, I don’t know.
Officer:
You don’t know? Okay. You’re doing a great job, I appreciate you telling
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me when you don’t know the answer and not making it up. Okay, so, um,
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you’re in the backseat, he’s, he pokes you and um, what happens after that?
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Juvenile:
Uh, I try to not let him but he just tries to get to
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Officer:
Okay and, and how many times does he touch it?
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Juvenile:
I don’t know.
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Okay.
Juvenile:
Multiples. Multiple.
Officer:
Okay, and then you had said earlier that he’s inside? How, how does that
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Juvenile:
Not bad, like he’s…
Officer:
What does it feel like?
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Juvenile:
I don’t wanna talk about it.
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Officer:
Okay, um, how do you know that he’s inside?
Juvenile:
I don’t… know.
Officer:
You don’t know? Okay. That’s a hard question. Okay. And um, does he
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ever have you touch him on any parts of his body?
Juvenile:
Nu-uh.
Officer:
No? Okay, and what makes it stop?
Juvenile:
I try to tell him to not do it, but he uh, doesn’t listen.
Officer:
Okay, and, and when he doesn’t listen then what happens?
Juvenile:
He tickles me.
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Officer:
Okay, and where does he tickle you at?
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Juvenile:
Like right here.
Officer:
Uh-huh, okay. And then what happens after that?
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Juvenile:
Then he touches my private parts.
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Okay, and what does he do after that?
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Juvenile:
Then, then my cousin and my brother come, then we go home to the house.
Officer:
Okay, and um, is your brother and cousin at the school that you’re at? Or
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Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
…go and pick him up—them up?
Juvenile:
My brother’s, my brother is right now in our new school?
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Uh-huh.
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And I th—and one of my cousins is in the same school as my broth—as my
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brother was last year.
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Okay, and so when um, when he picked you up, where does he pick you up
from?
Juvenile:
I don’t know, but at, like around, all I think of the back somewhere?
Officer:
Say that again?
Juvenile:
I think somewhere that, at the back?
Officer:
Oh okay, okay. And so, how does he go from the backseat back into the
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front seat?
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Juvenile:
He gets out of the car then comes out the back.
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Officer:
Okay, and what makes him get out of the car to go back into the front seat?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
You don’t know? Okay. Alright and has this happened one time? Or more
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that one time?
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Juvenile:
More than one time.
Officer:
Okay, and do you think you could, um, tell me how many times this has
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Multiple.
Officer:
Okay, um, would it be uh, more than five times? Um, what about more than
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Juvenile:
I think more than ten.
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Officer:
More than ten? Okay. What about more than fifteen? No? Okay, so you
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Correct.
Officer:
Okay, alright and so, um, ten to fifteen times. Do you remember the last
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Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
No?
Juvenile:
But the first time it was at his house.
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Officer:
Okay, tell me about the first time at his house.
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Juvenile:
So we were doing a Bible quiz…
Officer:
Uh-huh.
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Juvenile:
…and then we were, like, doing truth or dares that time too.
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Uh-huh.
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Tell me about that.
Juvenile:
That’s like, like from the Bible we answer questions and if we don’t get it
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Okay, and who all was playing?
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Juvenile:
All my two cousins, my brother and yeah. And me, and…
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Okay. And so you said your two cousins, and your brother. And how old’s
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your brother?
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Juvenile:
He’s thirteen.
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Oh okay, and then what about your cousins, how old are they?
Juvenile:
One of mine is fifteen and the other one is, I think, eleven.
Officer:
Okay and so all of you guys are playing this truth or dare game and so,
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you’re answering—answering questions for, you said, the Bible?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay, and so when you get a question right what happens?
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Juvenile:
You get a point.
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Officer:
Okay, and what happens when you get a question wrong?
Juvenile:
You don’t get a point.
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Okay, and so you said that at some point, he touched you?
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Uh-huh.
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Uh, when did that happen?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay and were you—was your cousin and your brother there?
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay did they see what happened to you?
Juvenile:
No.
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Okay, and why not?
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Juvenile:
We were underneath the blanket.
Officer:
Okay. And so when you’re underneath the blanket, what happened?
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Juvenile:
I don’t know.
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Okay, you don’t know what hap—you like, you don’t remember what
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happened? Okay. Um, alright and so that, you said that’s the first time?
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Uh-huh.
Officer:
Okay, and then uh is there any other times that you remember what
happened?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay, so you told me about a time at um, his house but you can’t remember
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what happened. That was the first time. And then you had said there was a
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lot of times in the car where he would pick you up and you guys would go
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to school. Did you guys go to the same place every time?
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Uh-huh.
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Officer:
Okay and, any other places that he would do this to you?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay. And um, so when you’re inside—um. So earlier you were talking
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Yeah.
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Officer:
Do you remember the name of the school?
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Juvenile:
Crystal Middle School.
Officer:
Crystal Middle School, okay. And so every time did you always go to
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Crystal Middle School?
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Juvenile:
Um, I never (inaudible), I’m only in fourth grade right now.
Officer:
You’re in fourth grade?
Juvenile:
Yes.
Officer:
Okay, but the stuff, when it, this happened to you in the car…
Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
…were you always at the Crystal school?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
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Officer:
Okay. And that’s, where’s that at?
Juvenile:
Uh, like in Suisun.
Officer:
Okay. Okay. And so um, you talked about him touching you and being
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Uh-huh.
Officer:
…um, what were you wearing?
Juvenile:
I was wearing jeans…
Officer:
Uh-huh.
Juvenile:
…and a top.
Officer:
Okay, and when he would touch you, would it be, um, on the outside or on
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Juvenile:
Inside.
Officer:
Okay, and um, when you were wearing—were you wearing any
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underwear?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay, and so would it be on the outside or the inside of your, of your
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Juvenile:
It… I don’t know.
Officer:
You don’t know? Okay. And so, um, you had said it was your private
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
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Officer:
…and so um, any other parts of your body that he would touch?
Juvenile:
It… All, all over here.
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Okay, tell me about that.
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Juvenile:
I don’t, I don’t know.
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Officer:
You don’t know? Okay. Okay, and any other times you can remember?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Okay. And so, um, thinking back to the first time, um, what time of year
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Juvenile:
Um, November.
Officer:
It was November?
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Juvenile:
2018.
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And how do you know it was November?
Juvenile:
Because he started it on November.
Officer:
He started it on November? Okay. And besides your mom, have, and
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obviously me, have you told anybody else about what happened?
Juvenile:
Um my, my, my grandma knows.
Officer:
Your grandma knows? Okay. And um, and so, and you didn’t tell any of
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your friends? Okay. Okay. Um, did you tell your grandma before or after
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you told your mom?
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Juvenile:
After when I told my mom.
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Officer:
Okay. And uh, why did you tell your mom?
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Juvenile:
Because I was thinking that it’s not like, right to do that.
Officer:
Yeah, okay. And earlier you said that it hurt. Tell me about that.
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Juvenile:
Like it burned.
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Officer:
Yeah?
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Juvenile:
Sometimes it starts burning.
Officer:
Okay and what part of your body starts burning?
Juvenile:
My private.
Officer:
Your private spot? Okay. And um, oh, what are your private parts suppose
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to do? What do they do?
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Juvenile:
Um, I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay, that’s okay. Alright and um, so after you told your mom and, and
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your grandma what, what happened next?
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Juvenile:
Then we, we was giving him a chance to tell he did it but he refused to say
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no, then we went, we went to the police station but it was closed…
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Officer:
Yeah.
Juvenile:
…so we went to E.R…
Officer:
After.
Juvenile:
…to check.
Officer:
Okay, and have you seen him any other time since the last time it
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happened?
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Juvenile:
Nu-uh.
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Officer:
Do you remember the last time that, uh, this happened?
Juvenile:
No.
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No. Okay, that’s okay. Okay and um, let me just look at my notes and make
sure that I didn’t forget anything. Um, you mentioned something about, he
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touched your butt?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Tell me about that.
Juvenile:
Like he would just touch it and then, yeah.
Officer:
And how would he touch it? Like what part of his body would be touching
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it?
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Juvenile:
Hands.
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His hands? And um, did it hurt?
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Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Okay, and when he touched it, would um, it, like, use this surface, how
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would he touch it with his hands?
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Juvenile:
Just like that.
Officer:
Okay, like and, and you’re makin’ this motion like he would…
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
…like, rub it? Okay. Um, and anything else that he would do to your butt?
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No? Okay. And you had mentioned earlier that he would touch your chest.
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Did that hurt?
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Juvenile:
No.
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Okay, and when the, whenever he was touching your chest or your butt, did
he ever say anything to you?
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Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Okay. And did he ever say anything to you besides the, what you had told
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me earlier about um, when it would hurt your feelings um, about the
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cousins? No? Okay. Alright. Okay, um, I just gotta make sure that there’s
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no other questions. What are you gonna uh, do the rest of the day?
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Juvenile:
Um, I’m gonna do my homework and then maybe my dad’s gonna let me
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play on the iPad.
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Yeah? Tell me about your iPad. What kind of things do you do on your
iPad?
Juvenile:
Well I can make videos um, it’s like s—Musical.ly.
Officer:
Yeah.
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Uh-huh, nice. Okay. Um, okay so I have a couple more questions, so you
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were talkin’ about the first time uh, that you were playing the truth and
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Where were you at?
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Juvenile:
At his house.
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Officer:
At his house? Okay and um, you talked about being under a blanket?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Tell me about that.
Juvenile:
Um, I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay and where, what part of his house were you in?
Juvenile:
In his room.
Officer:
In his room? Okay, and that was when you were with your two cousins and
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your brother? Okay, and in his room um, where were you at?
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Juvenile:
On the bed.
Officer:
On the bed? And so on his bed, was it, was it a big bed, a small bed?
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Juvenile:
I think it was a big bed.
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Officer:
Yeah. What else was in his room?
Juvenile:
A fan, yeah.
Officer:
Okay…
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
…and so on the bed, who all was on the bed?
Juvenile:
My two cousins and my brother.
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Okay so everybody was on the bed?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
And who all was under the blanket?
Juvenile:
Only me and him.
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you said one’s eleven, and what’s his name?
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Juvenile:
Isaiah.
Officer:
Isaiah…
Juvenile:
No, not Isaiah, Hannah.
Officer:
Hannah? Okay, and um, is it a girl?
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Juvenile:
Girl, yeah.
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Officer:
And the fifteen-year-old that was there.
Juvenile:
Shiki.
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Officer:
How do you spell that? That’s okay. Shiki?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay, and then what was your bother’s name again? I’m sorry.
Juvenile:
Isaiah.
Officer:
Isaiah, okay you got confused for a minute…
Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
…huh? Okay and so um, Shiki is that a girl or a boy?
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Juvenile:
Girl.
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Officer:
Okay, and… So they were under the blanket at all?
Juvenile:
No.
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Did you ever see him touch anyone else besides you?
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Juvenile:
No.
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No? Okay. Um, and so you’re under the blanket and you said he was
touching you…
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
…in your private? And tell me about that.
Juvenile:
I don’t know how to explain it to you.
Officer:
Okay, um, just try and we’ll see if we can get through it.
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Juvenile:
What was it again?
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Officer:
Under the blanket what happened?
Juvenile:
Like he would be touching it and, I would tell him to stop doing that.
Officer:
Okay and when you would tell him to stop, um, what would the other kids
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say, your cousins and…?
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Juvenile:
Uh, I would whisper it to him because he doesn’t want anyone to know.
Officer:
Yeah? Why is that?
Juvenile:
I don’t know.
Officer:
Has he said something to you about that before?
Juvenile:
No.
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No? And um, how did you know that he didn’t anybody to know?
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Juvenile:
He told me.
Officer:
Okay. And when did he tell you?
Juvenile:
When he started it.
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time or a different time?
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Juvenile:
That time.
Officer:
Okay. And, um, and did he tell you like we’re talking right now?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
Or did he, how did he tell you?
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Juvenile:
Oh yeah, like…
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Officer:
Okay so he told you, he didn’t whisper it to you?
Juvenile:
Nu-uh.
Officer:
Okay, and so anything else that you can remember that happened under the
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blanket? And so, what, what were you wearing that night?
Juvenile:
I don’t, I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay, was it um, over or underneath your clothes?
Juvenile:
I think… I don’t know.
Officer:
Okay, it, do you remember anything about that time?
Juvenile:
Nu-uh.
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Officer:
No? Okay, and you had said this happened in November?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
Okay, and then from November um…. Now and what part of his body
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under the blanket touched you?
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Juvenile:
His hands.
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Officer:
Okay and did his hands touch any part of your skin?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
No? Okay. Um, what part did it touch?
Juvenile:
Like in the middle.
Officer:
Okay and um, so if we, we’re touching skin to skin like this, right? Or if
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you have your clothes like this, was it on top of your clothes or was it on
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Juvenile:
I don’t know like, on my skin.
Officer:
On your skin? And that was with his hand?
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
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Officer:
Okay and you had said in the middle?
Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
What do you mean by that?
Juvenile:
Like, um, I don’t know how to explain it.
Officer:
Okay, and did it hurt?
Juvenile:
No.
Officer:
No? Okay. Alright and you had said, um, before sometimes it would burn,
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um, when he did it that time did it burn?
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Juvenile:
Um, well I think it when to started to burn.
Officer:
Okay, okay, alright and so that was in November and then there was
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Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
Officer:
…and um, and you can’t remember any other time that it happened. Okay.
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Juvenile:
Math and a essay.
Officer:
An essay? Okay, you think you’re gonna have enough time to…
Juvenile:
Uh-huh.
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Officer:
…play on your iPad? You’re gonna get your homework done?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Do you get good grades in school? Yeah? What about your teacher, do you
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like your teacher?
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Juvenile:
Um sometimes. Yeah.
Officer:
Yeah?
Juvenile:
We’re gonna be, um, helping homeless…
Officer:
Oh good.
Juvenile:
…yeah. So we have a list to get things for them.
Officer:
That’s really nice.
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Yeah.
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Officer:
Do you like doing that?
Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Yeah, well that’s cool. Well I, I’m all done. Do you have any questions for
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me? No? Well thank you for coming in and talking to me, I know it’s hard
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your mom. Is that your dad out there too?
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Juvenile:
Yeah.
Officer:
Okay, well lets head on out. Hopefully it’s not too rainy.
Juvenile:
I know.
Officer:
We’ve been inside here.
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